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Ukrainian Navy will write off nine ships due to unsuitability

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Ukrainian Navy will write off nine ships due to unsuitabilityThe Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine decided to write off nine ships that are part of the country's naval forces, due to their technical unsuitability, said Ukrainian Defense Minister Pavel Lebedev.


"It was decided to write off nine ships that are more than 20 years old and that are in technically unusable condition," said Lebedev, reports Zn.ua.

The minister added that one of these ships is a combat one, 1977 of the year of release, the rest are boats and vessels.

Earlier it was reported that Kiev planned to write off the base minesweeper Melitopol, diving vessel Volnogorsk, dry cargo barge Bryanka, raid boats Konotop and RK-1935, hydrographic boat MGC-1694, raid boat Ritm -450 ”, the sea boat“ Ostrog ”, the loading tanker“ Bakhmach ”and the transport of weapons“ Dzhankoy ”.

Note that in 1997, when the partition of the Black Sea fleet of the former USSR, the Ukrainian Navy transferred 43 warships, 132 ships and boats, 12 aircraft and 30 helicopters.

To date, the Ukrainian Navy includes more than 25 warships and boats, more than 50 support vessels and about 30 units aviation techniques.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 12: 15 New
    32
    Why only 9? All in salvage, the country needs money.
    1. a52333
      a52333 18 October 2013 12: 22 New
      25
      Tanks gathered to cut. ships are cutting. with conscripts leave. How to call it? belay negative stop what
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 12: 26 New
        11
        Quote: a52333
        How to call it?

        Reform, or disbandment. The movement went in one word laughing
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 18 October 2013 12: 29 New
        21
        Tanks gathered to cut. ships are cutting. with conscripts leave. How to call it?

        How, how ... Eurointegration! If anything, NATO will defend ... hehe ...
      3. Homo
        Homo 18 October 2013 17: 02 New
        +7
        Quote: a52333
        Tanks gathered to cut. ships are cutting. with conscripts leave. How to call it? belay negative stop what

        Prepare to lie under NATO !!!
      4. svp67
        svp67 18 October 2013 17: 35 New
        +4
        Quote: a52333
        How to call it?

        Nothing lasts forever under the moon ... the time has come, the ships have gone to "needles", it's bad that there is no information that they will go in exchange.
        And so
        Earlier it was reported that Kiev planned to write off the base minesweeper Melitopol, diving vessel Volnogorsk, dry cargo barge Bryanka, raid boats Konotop and RK-1935, hydrographic boat MGC-1694, raid boat Ritm -450 ”, the sea boat“ Ostrog ”, the loading tanker“ Bakhmach ”and the transport of weapons“ Dzhankoy ”.
      5. svp67
        svp67 18 October 2013 17: 38 New
        +3
        BT "Melitopol"
        The basic minesweeper "BT-79" was laid down according to the project 1265 "Yakhont" - a very common project of ships in Soviet times and far from the most useless, so one can only regret ...
      6. svp67
        svp67 18 October 2013 17: 41 New
        +1
        The performance characteristics of the diving vessel
        Volnogorsk
        Displacement standard: 92 t.
        Full displacement: 119 t.
        Dimensions: length - 28,5 m, width - 5,5 m, draft - 1,7 m.
        Full speed: 12,2 knot.
        Navigation range: 1760 miles with 10 ties.
        Powerplant: 1 diesel 6CHSP23 / 30 on 450 hp, 1 shaft.
        Radio-technical weapons: navigation radar "Stvor".
        Crew: 22 people.

        Ship history

        For underwater operations of small complexity and in areas of the seas with shallow depths, diving bots of various displacement were used in the Navy of the USSR. These were either special purpose ships or various boats adapted for this. One of the special projects is the diving boat of the 522 project (TsKB-19 project) whose construction lasted from 1953 to 1960. In total, more than 60 diving bots were built for the Navy. The equipment included one diving station with an permissible working depth of 60 m, a decompression chamber, as well as a cargo boom with a carrying capacity of 1,5 tons. The autonomy in terms of provisions was 7 days, seaworthiness was 4 points.

        Diving sea boat "VM-114", factory # 340, was built in 1958, Shipyard Rybinsk. Joined the Black Sea Fleet.

        In 1977, vessels of this type were reclassified to marine diving vessels.

        He was a member of the division of support vessels SPASR Black Sea Fleet.

        01.08.1997/114/707 "VM-2002" was included in the Naval Forces of Ukraine, received a new name "Brody", with the assignment of the tail number "U2004". Later in XNUMX it was renamed into "Alchevsk", and since XNUMX - "Volnogorsk".

        Currently, the vessel is not underway, in unsatisfactory technical condition, located in the Streletskaya Bay of Sevastopol.
      7. waisson
        waisson 18 October 2013 19: 18 New
        +1
        RUSSIA will soon be asked to help in the defense of a sovereign state
      8. Bober
        Bober 19 October 2013 10: 38 New
        0
        Circumcision.
      9. olegff68
        olegff68 19 October 2013 12: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: a52333
        Tanks gathered to cut. ships are cutting. with conscripts leave. How to call it? belay negative stop what

        The reform of the army in geyropeyskim - in the likeness of the Baltic countries.
        They will "join" the gamerope, cooperate with some sort of Romania, reform together a little more and they will have one tank for all, five inflatable boats in the Navy + an aircraft carrier with a formidable corn plant on board, in order to confront the evil empire from the east together. lol
    2. roma2
      roma2 18 October 2013 12: 56 New
      -41 qualifying.
      Lists of traveling boats, barges, tankers and dry cargo vessels

      But the Russians raised the howl to heaven,
      how many such coffins are in your fleet that are only included in the list of the fleet WHICH YOU ALWAYS OPERATE IN DISPUTES, dozens of sky-ready ships, by writing off which you get rid of unnecessary old trash. BUT if this takes place in Russia, then this is optimization, if in other countries then squandering, etc., etc.

      You got with your double standards, YOU have already become like GEYropovtsy with GEYamerovtsy.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 13: 06 New
        12
        Quote: roma2
        But the Russians raised the howl to heaven,

        What kind of warriors, yes, we agree, in FIG they are needed wink
        Quote: roma2
        You got with your double standards,

        Yes we are winked
        1. afire
          afire 18 October 2013 13: 26 New
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov

          Yes we are winked

          Something seems to me with the standard entimi to the wrong address and the accusation flew in, but in general - I agree - to cut ships, old ones, "soon" new ones will give laughing
        2. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 18 October 2013 13: 27 New
          12
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes we are

          And we also know how to embroider repeat
          1. Realist58
            Realist58 18 October 2013 18: 48 New
            +1
            Sew more quickly fellow
            type of booth bully
      2. rolik
        rolik 18 October 2013 13: 43 New
        +8
        Quote: roma2
        You got with your double standards,

        Get the hellish commentator))))
      3. Misantrop
        Misantrop 18 October 2013 14: 38 New
        18
        Quote: roma2
        writing off which you get rid of unnecessary old trash.

        Roma2, how are things with reading? It seems as bad as with elementary logic. In the article we read:
        “A decision was made to decommission nine ships that are over 20 years old and which are in a technically unsuitable condition,” Lebedev said
        How many years have passed since the division of the fleet, not the same 20? wink In other words, the armless **** for 20 years of their "management" have ruined quite a new technique for themselves (otherwise there would have been absolutely different age figures). Do you remember the saying about a fool and a glass member? lol
        1. Old_kapitan
          Old_kapitan 18 October 2013 18: 32 New
          12
          And here, namesake, let me disagree. Roma, of course, blurted out crap, but the one you are quoting has not gone far. In his opinion, one of the two, as you call, new ones should also be cut. I mean "Hetman Sagaidachny" (launching in March 92). Another new one is the Ternopil corvette (my son used it to go to Crete). The rest - do not be lazy, go to the Black Sea Fleet website, there is also about ukronedolugosti - indeed, the numbers are very different! And the rest - you're right, pissed away the crooked hands. Because even those not new ones would still serve and serve (with a few exceptions). My son started at Vinnitsa. The main engine had to be changed (2007). Do you think changed? Yeah, right now! A penny is dumb. All that was needed was to sell a couple of wheelbarrows under Verkhovna Zrada. Yes, the "poor" deputies should cut their vacation rentals from more than 100 thousand to reasonable limits. Well, etc.
          And Rome2 ... Alyona you. Russia cuts, yes. And how much does it take? And how much are we, not counting the long-suffering "Ternopil"?
          1. Don
            Don 21 October 2013 17: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: Old_Kapitan
            And Rome2 ... Alyona you. Russia cuts, yes. And how much does it take? And how much are we, not counting the long-suffering "Ternopil"?

            Totally agree with you. And as for Roma, too.))))) The problem is not only that the new ones are not accepted, but also that they are accepted. This is, according to our classification, the Sagaidachny frigate, and the Ternopil is a corvette. They don’t even have anti-ship missiles. Only PLUR. And about the submarine, I would better keep silent.
      4. Yura
        Yura 18 October 2013 15: 36 New
        +3
        Dear, if you want Russian people to understand you, learn Russian, and also change the flag, it is not for you.
      5. cdrt
        cdrt 18 October 2013 16: 37 New
        +3
        YOU have already become like GEYropovtsy GEYamerovtsev

        Yes you, my dear, GAYS are already attacking from all sides ... laughing
        Time to shout the guard !!! laughing
      6. svp67
        svp67 18 October 2013 16: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: roma2
        Lists of traveling boats, barges, tankers and dry cargo vessels

        A raid trawler, where from the list gone?
      7. svp67
        svp67 18 October 2013 16: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: roma2
        You got with your double standards

        Yes, we are, but WE ARE SINCERELY ...
      8. Homo
        Homo 18 October 2013 17: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: roma2
        Lists of traveling boats, barges, tankers and dry cargo vessels

        But the Russians raised the howl to heaven,
        how many such coffins are in your fleet that are only included in the list of the fleet WHICH YOU ALWAYS OPERATE IN DISPUTES, dozens of sky-ready ships, by writing off which you get rid of unnecessary old trash. BUT if this takes place in Russia, then this is optimization, if in other countries then squandering, etc., etc.

        You got with your double standards, YOU have already become like GEYropovtsy with GEYamerovtsy.

        Nobody argues with the fact that a professional army is needed and you need to write off junk,
        but by "strange coincidence" it all coincided with the negotiations on joining NATO!
      9. Realist58
        Realist58 18 October 2013 18: 47 New
        +5
        Ah Roma, Roma))))))
      10. understudy
        understudy 18 October 2013 22: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: roma2
        how many coffins are in your fleet

        Well, sho I can say how people are purely land ... and this is you, the last submarine where to thread a thread? Well, the one that was welded to the pier was not drowned by a miserable schaub? I'm terribly interested ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 18 October 2013 22: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Understudy
          Well, the one that was welded to the pier was not drowned by a miserable schaub?

          Just a minute ago I wrote a comment in which I advise you to think for yourself.
    3. bodriy
      bodriy 18 October 2013 13: 43 New
      +6
      Sadly, everything that the Americans thought and dreamed of during the Cold War is coming true, but this is not yet a defeat ... "Kuz'ka's mother will still be" !!!!!
      1. AVV
        AVV 18 October 2013 15: 00 New
        +2
        Whether there will still be after the association in Geyropu, not only the fleet will sink, but there will be many more, let's wait !!! Not so long left, then we'll see!
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 18 October 2013 16: 42 New
          +2
          Whether there will still be after the association in Geyropu, not only the fleet will sink, but there will be many more, let's wait !!! Not so long left, then we'll see!

          Well ... they even gave Lithuania something floating (some kind of trough).
          And in Poland, it seems, something walks on the seas.
          They will give 2-3 Perry from the reserve, something from the Polish, the reserves of the German and Dutch fleets - it will be quite the fleet at the World Cup, until the ships again sniff.
          That’s the truth for this, it will be necessary to join NATO.
          But I think this is not far off
    4. pl675
      pl675 19 October 2013 00: 13 New
      -1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Why only 9? All in salvage, the country needs money.



      Ale, moderator.
      Do you have "tries" here for the elite, or what?
      I'm violet, I'm just so interested.
      everything is predictably painful.
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 18 October 2013 12: 16 New
    13
    over the 20 years, they fell into disrepair? Apparently, everything that is possible was reduced from the boxes, only one side remained. or the first steps to integrate with European friends?
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 18 October 2013 17: 32 New
      +7
      Quote: andrei332809
      Apparently, everything that is possible was reduced from the boxes, there were only sides

      Appointed Vasily Ivanovich Petka as commander of a captured tank. Three days later he calls him to the headquarters, Petka comes and reports: -Vasily Ivanovich, the commander of the tank corps, Petka, has arrived. Chapaev inexplicably: - Petka, which case? We have only one tank. -Duc Vasily Ivanovich, they drank everything, and the gun, and the tracks, the current body remained. laughing
  3. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR 18 October 2013 12: 19 New
    15
    Over time, you become increasingly aware of the importance of the unity and devotion of those skins that squander the wealth of their fathers and take advantage of the weakness of the Russians. But the hour is not far off when a single Russian fist sober up all ill-wishers and begin to build everyone on a worldview level.
  4. Saharok
    Saharok 18 October 2013 12: 19 New
    17
    The entire Ukrainian fleet to the scrap !!! The West does not need Ukraine with its fleet ....
    and this is also the NATO destroyers in the port there will be little space. =)
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 12: 46 New
      18
      Quote: Saharok
      and this is also the NATO destroyers in the port there will be little space.

      Ukrainian aircraft carriers will be based there laughing
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 18 October 2013 14: 34 New
        +5
        What about a vertical take-off airplane? Or is there a secret nano-catapult? laughing
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 18 October 2013 14: 51 New
          +5
          And you did not recognize the Ukrainian version of the F-35U?
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 14: 56 New
          +4
          Quote: RUSS
          What about a vertical take-off airplane? Or is there a secret nano-catapult?

          And who told you that he generally flies. laughing
  5. hrych
    hrych 18 October 2013 12: 20 New
    17
    Bandera and Hutsuls cut down their Carpathian relict forests, then cut down the Ukrainian fleet.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 18 October 2013 12: 44 New
      +7
      Quote: hrych
      Bandera and Hutsuls cut down their Carpathian relict forests, then cut down the Ukrainian fleet.


      Axiom Everything that svidomit's thieving rake does not touch - inevitably turns into Govno.
  6. avt
    avt 18 October 2013 12: 23 New
    +6
    The logical end of the fragment of the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR. We are still building something, but there ..... Here are Azarov in Nikolaev / Mykolaev, the tsar was probably such in Ukraine or the hetman - Mykola, after whom the city was named, to build a NATO fleet with the Dutchman gathered, znemt exactly Ukrainian super admirals will not receive any super corvettes.
    1. a52333
      a52333 18 October 2013 13: 12 New
      13
      Quote: avt
      Here is Azarov in Nikolaev / Mykolaev, probably the king
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 18 October 2013 13: 55 New
        +4
        well, cheap photoshop)))
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 18 October 2013 14: 58 New
          +4
          Quote: Sith Lord
          well, cheap photoshop)))

          May be...
          But the one who listened Mykola Yanovich in Ukrainian, will confirm that "editing" is not far from the truth laughing
      2. Patriot.ru.
        Patriot.ru. 18 October 2013 21: 57 New
        +1
        Blowjob later
        My friends fooled to impairment.
  7. Russ69
    Russ69 18 October 2013 12: 29 New
    +3
    And what to take off, still to do. The ships all the time, after dividing the fleet, stood at the pier. one name left.
    And how many are generally serviceable ...
    1. 222222
      222222 18 October 2013 12: 34 New
      22
      But we will go to Pershey place in the world in the delivery of scrap metal !!!
      1. major071
        major071 18 October 2013 19: 01 New
        +7
        Ah well done, with a sense of humor! Respect! drinks
  8. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 18 October 2013 12: 31 New
    +3
    Oh, well, the "glorious" 90s are back! And if suddenly the "Evil Empire" decides to fish in Ukrainian territorial waters, what should I do? Although, according to the principle of "tolerance", Russia should be allowed to fish wherever it wants, and then somehow you understand intolerantly, here is such a squiggle.
    1. So_o_tozh
      So_o_tozh 18 October 2013 15: 42 New
      -6
      Well, yours is, of course, guarding their waters, right up to the murder of Ukrainian fishermen in the Sea of ​​Azov, push them down, it seems the team sounded ...?
      1. The comment was deleted.
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 18 October 2013 16: 46 New
      +5
      Oh, well, the "glorious" 90s are back! And if suddenly the "Evil Empire" decides to fish in Ukrainian territorial waters, what should I do? Although, according to the principle of "tolerance", Russia should be allowed to fish wherever it wants, and then somehow you understand intolerantly, here is such a squiggle.

      What are you!
      The evil empire will disappear from day to day like a nightmare.
      Well, the degenerative Ugro-Mongol horde cannot catch up with Vilna Ukraina in development. Each Svidomo will confirm this to you. laughing laughing laughing
  9. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 18 October 2013 12: 38 New
    23
    yes yes yes ... and run to Geyropu !!!
  10. Saharok
    Saharok 18 October 2013 12: 55 New
    +9
    "Ukrainian aircraft carriers will be based there"

    Wow Ukrainians will build their single-seat aircraft carrier ...
    Well, now PU will have a heart attack from horror)))
  11. Kars
    Kars 18 October 2013 13: 07 New
    +8
    Iev planned to write off the base minesweeper "Melitopol",


    He also
    The basic minesweeper "BT-79" was laid down on 20.09.1977/118/30.11.1978 in Petrozavodsk at the Avangard shipyard (serial number XNUMX), launched on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX



    TTD:
    Displacement: 460 t.
    Dimensions: length - 49 m, width - 8,8 m, draft - 2,35 m.

    Maybe it's time for a well-deserved rest? 35 years all the same.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 18 October 2013 14: 42 New
      +5
      Quote: Kars
      Maybe it's time for a well-deserved rest? 35 years all the same.
      In other words, the leader is not even aware of the age of the ships of the group he commands? Decent picked up ... lol
      1. Kars
        Kars 18 October 2013 16: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: Misantrop
        In other words, the leader

        Are you confusing something? Where did I write something about the managers? And how do you confirm that the leader is not aware of the age? He should also be aware of the technical condition and know whether repair and continued operation are advisable.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 18 October 2013 16: 30 New
          +7
          Quote: Kars
          Where did I write something about the leaders? And how do you confirm that the leader is not aware of the age?

          And read the article itself zapadlo? There is a quote from this "naval commander" request Or do not care an article, the main thing is to "get involved in a fight"? lol

          Well, about the age of the ships, google about the ship of the Black Sea Fleet "Kommuna". It has already celebrated its centenary. Still in service and in demand
          1. Kars
            Kars 18 October 2013 16: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Misantrop
            There is a quote from this "naval commander"

            And where does this come to my comment? Which one are you rephrasing?
            Quote: Misantrop
            In other words

            ?
            Quote: Misantrop
            google about the ship of the Black Sea Fleet "Kommuna"

            Ship to ship, or do you not think so?

            By the way, what's wrong with that?
            "It was decided to write off nine ships that are more than 20 years old and that are in technically unusable condition," said Lebedev, reports Zn.ua.

            The minister added that one of these ships is a combat one, 1977 of the year of release, the rest are boats and vessels.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 18 October 2013 17: 14 New
              +7
              Quote: Kars
              Ship to ship, or do you not think so?
              HANDS serving the ship, not the ship itself. And the head with these hands, not growing out of the ass. But this is just the biggest problem. Remind me about the purchase of AB for submarine "Zaporozhye"? About several attempts to repair it and how did it end? And how did the Ukrainian large landing ship sink right at the quay wall of the plant in Kerch? Despite the fact that his classmates now easily walk across half the planet ...
              1. Kars
                Kars 18 October 2013 17: 24 New
                +2
                Quote: Misantrop
                HANDS, the ship serving, but not the ship itself

                Can you remind me how many ships like the original minesweeper are still in operation? In the Russian Federation, for example?
                And Hands)) and money? Or are you going to keep the base minesweeper as an authoritative?

                Don’t worry, I already know you well, and it’s better not to start about Zaporizhzhya submarines.)) Better again, tell me how many submarines of this type remain in service?



                Quote: Misantrop
                Despite the fact that his classmates even now walk easily through half the planet ..
                Of course, I already asked this.
                Well for an example
                B-59
                http://www.deepstorm.ru/DeepStorm.files/45-92/dts/641/B-59/B-59.htm
                walks talking?
                B-101

                B-405
                http://www.deepstorm.ru/DeepStorm.files/45-92/dts/641/S-21/S-21.htm

                Are there many more who are afloat then?
                Your show-offs will not go away with me. I’m not guilty that you couldn’t manage the remainder in the Russian Federation.
                1. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 18 October 2013 17: 40 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Kars
                  I already know you well
                  Yes, I am aware that Ukraine, apart from a dozen Oplot tanks, has more in general do not need anything, do not repeat laughing
                  Russia and the fleet now have a specific FF, but the conversation is not about her now. And about the fact that in the Ukrainian great sea power soon with such a leadership, in addition to air mattresses, there will be no nichrome at all. And it’s even seen from Grafskaya in Sevastopol, across the bay to see the difference in the content of ships
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 18 October 2013 19: 58 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Misantrop
                    And about the fact that in the Ukrainian great sea power

                    She doesn’t need to be like that. There is no sense.
                    Quote: Misantrop
                    across the bay see the difference in the content of ships
                    here you know better.
                    Quote: Misantrop
                    except for a dozen Oplot tanks, nothing else is needed

                    but you don’t know me well. I am in favor of improving air defense in the first place, but with tanks, and so on, all is not bad.
                    1. Patriot.ru.
                      Patriot.ru. 18 October 2013 22: 16 New
                      +4
                      Where to improve air defense, and so everything is fine, the flight Israel Moscow was shot down, the five-story house was pierced through and through. Well, if you need to improve it.
                      1. Slobozhanin
                        Slobozhanin 19 October 2013 00: 11 New
                        0
                        Quote: Patriot.ru.
                        Where to improve air defense, and so everything is fine, the flight Israel Moscow was shot down, the five-story house was pierced through and through. Well, if you need to improve it.

                        And what are the problems with air defense ... when the plane was shot down there are more complaints against the organizers of the exercises, and the air defense officers found and shot down the target. A ballistic missile hit the house, not an air defense (someone misinformed you or didn’t hear you here)
                    2. Misantrop
                      Misantrop 18 October 2013 23: 17 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Kars
                      I am for improving air defense in the first place
                      Well, if we improve according to the method of Yushchenko (who removed the anti-aircraft complex from duty and sold Georgia), then progress in this regard is not far off lol
                      Quote: Kars
                      She doesn’t need to be like that. There is no sense.

                      There is a maritime border (quite hefty), but there is no sense. wassat Familiar song. That is why the hefty fishery and merchant fleets that got the section were whistled in the very first few years ... lol And the 42th regiment of military aviation - similarly. But with tanks the bad luck turned out - they are harder, it is more difficult to cut them. Yes, and a piece of iron interesting, which you can unscrew and drag, much less than in an airplane sad
                      Just do not understand why you need air defense, if there are air traffic controllers and customs? what
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 19 October 2013 12: 35 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        Well, if we improve according to the method of Yushchenko (who removed the anti-aircraft complex from duty and sold Georgia), then progress in this regard is not far off

                        Are you going to vote for Yushchenko?
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        There is a maritime border (quite hefty), but there is no sense.

                        Net, border guards are needed for the border.
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        That is why the hefty fishery and merchant fleets that got the section were whistled in the very first few years ...

                        Well, your beloved Russia has done the same and even worse, it got more.
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        And the 42th regiment of combat aviation is similar

                        Are you aware that the Cold War is over? And that Ukraine does not claim to be a world leader?
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        . But with tanks the bad luck turned out - they are harder, it is more difficult to cut them.

                        Well, tell me - to cut them is not particularly difficult, and they weigh a lot more.
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        Just do not understand why you need air defense, if there are air traffic controllers and customs?

                        You don’t have to understand, take my word for it I didn’t deceive you? And by the way, air defense is easier to maintain than ships, easier to carry out exercises, and it’s much more universal - it can be installed anywhere in Ukraine, and not at sea.
  12. forester
    forester 18 October 2013 13: 08 New
    11
    and let them personally shred, I still feel sorry for the "White Swans" who were cut up with amerov's money and under their control
    1. roial
      roial 18 October 2013 13: 34 New
      +2
      Have you tried to buy them back ??? I think if you offered a normal price, you would not only sell them, but you would also pay for shipping.

      Unfortunately, in the 90s, it didn’t matter to anyone; it wasn’t necessary for anyone to buy money from some, but to keep from others.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 18 October 2013 14: 45 New
        +7
        Quote: roial
        Have you tried to buy them back ??? I think if you would offer a normal price ...
        All that was in time was redeemed. And for the rest, Ukraine could not add up a "decent price". As in that cartoon: "It will not be enough, LITTLE!"
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 18 October 2013 16: 49 New
        +5
        Have you tried to buy them back ??? I think if you offered a normal price, you would not only sell them, but you would also pay for shipping.

        Unfortunately, in the 90s, it didn’t matter to anyone; it wasn’t necessary for anyone to buy money from some, but to keep from others.


        Here again - the Ukrainian national character in all its glory.
        It’s easier to chop planes than to give them to Russia for free.
        And how Gazprom began to raise gas prices for them - I remember about the fraternity
      3. fedorovith
        fedorovith 18 October 2013 17: 45 New
        +1
        In those years, it was not a ransom, money was given for destruction, which was quickly picked up, and I have no doubt that they would have sold it, but not everything is allowed lying under the United States.
        1. roial
          roial 18 October 2013 18: 46 New
          +4
          Here again - the Ukrainian national character in all its glory.


          In those years, it was not a ransom,


          Ukraine barely sucked in the remaining planes to the gas debt write-off brush. And they didn’t want to take it.
      4. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 19 October 2013 01: 09 New
        0
        Quote: roial
        Have you tried to buy them back ??? I think if you offered a normal price, you would not only sell them, but you would also pay for shipping.

        Unfortunately, in the 90s, it didn’t matter to anyone; it wasn’t necessary for anyone to buy money from some, but to keep from others.

        All ordinary Americans gave more money than we suggested. And to arrange an auction, do not respect yourself ...
        1. roial
          roial 19 October 2013 14: 01 New
          -1
          And to arrange an auction, do not respect yourself ...


          In then you do not need different ju-ju. If they were put into storage, after 10 years there would be nothing to collect for spare parts.
  13. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 18 October 2013 13: 13 New
    +1
    raid boats Konotop and RK-1935, hydrographic boat MGK-1694, raid crew boat Rhythm-450, sea boat Ostrog

    Are these ships?wassat
    1. roial
      roial 18 October 2013 13: 35 New
      +5
      In the presentation of the Russian media, these are Fighting ships laughing
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 18 October 2013 14: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: Peaceful military
      Are these ships?
      Which country - such and the fleet ... request According to the current head, even such a hat is too big ...
  14. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 18 October 2013 13: 21 New
    12
    Quote: forester
    and let them personally shred, I still feel sorry for the "White Swans" who were cut up with amerov's money and under their control


    Do you think the leadership of my country sawed only TU-160? Cry Russia and Russian, and Ukrainian, but the Soviet-minded people. Here are the creepy shots of the 2012 year of the Galician-Canadian ideology:



    P.S. paid for the Pentagon.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 18 October 2013 14: 34 New
      +3
      It would be better if they sold us.
  15. Altona
    Altona 18 October 2013 13: 24 New
    +4
    The Germans and the Austrians came up with the country and the Kriegsmarine lined up the design of the naval flag ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 18 October 2013 14: 32 New
      +2
      And among the Georgians, the Flag of the Navy resembles our guys.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 18 October 2013 15: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: Altona
      The Germans and the Austrians came up with the country and the Kriegsmarine lined up the design of the naval flag ...

      Picture for comparison ...
      1. Altona
        Altona 18 October 2013 22: 45 New
        +2
        I compare, I find a lot of similar elements ... The national flag in the upper left corner, a cross with a border ... There is no imperial or some kind of eagle or coat of arms on the Ukrainian flag because there are no emblems except for the trident, and it is already placed in Gosflag field in the upper left corner ... The design is very similar ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 18 October 2013 23: 03 New
          +4
          Quote: Altona
          .Design is very similar ...

          He hesitated. There is basically no coat of arms on the flag. And so similar in overall design. And in British. And about a dozen others. So what? Peter 1 also did not bathe with the flag for the Russian Empire, but borrowed from the Dutch.
          General in many ways can be found in all.
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  17. kafa
    kafa 18 October 2013 14: 05 New
    +2
    Quote: Altona
    Kriegsmarine’s naval flag design was licked ...

    asked if I wouldn’t insult the defeated, but strong enemy. But the great-self-assured independent Tsars - as much as you like
    1. Altona
      Altona 18 October 2013 22: 47 New
      +1
      And who offended someone? Or are you hinting at plagiarism by design? So it's not for me ...
  18. rugor
    rugor 18 October 2013 14: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: a52333
    Quote: avt
    Here is Azarov in Nikolaev / Mykolaev, probably the king


    And what is written? Translate.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 18 October 2013 14: 30 New
      +3
      I think so "the crisis will pass soon" "my friends promised."
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 18 October 2013 21: 48 New
        0
        Quote: RUSS
        I think so "the crisis will pass soon" "my friends promised."

        More accurate translation from "Ukrainian in Azarovski":
        "The crisis will pass later. My friends made a promise."
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  19. RUSS
    RUSS 18 October 2013 14: 28 New
    10
    Ukraine will soon celebrate military holidays: Day of the Navy and Day of the Air Kite. laughing
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 18 October 2013 16: 53 New
      +2
      Ukraine will soon celebrate military holidays: Day of the Navy and Day of the Air Kite


      It's five!!! laughing
  20. RUSS
    RUSS 18 October 2013 14: 35 New
    0
    Quote: roma2
    Lists of traveling boats, barges, tankers and dry cargo vessels

    But the Russians raised the howl to heaven,
    how many such coffins are in your fleet that are only included in the list of the fleet WHICH YOU ALWAYS OPERATE IN DISPUTES, dozens of sky-ready ships, by writing off which you get rid of unnecessary old trash. BUT if this takes place in Russia, then this is optimization, if in other countries then squandering, etc., etc.

    You got with your double standards, YOU have already become like GEYropovtsy with GEYamerovtsy.

    Do not boil.
  21. biglow
    biglow 18 October 2013 15: 14 New
    +6
    in 90 years to those who signed up for Ukrainian. the fleet promised to issue a plot of land in the Crimea upon dismissal. And guess what you give yourself. tongue And many officers are now ready even to go to the northern fleet to serve, if only to go to serve in the Russian army. And the necessary specialists are taken to the Russian fleet, but not to the Black Sea ... And let the banderlogs say that this is not so ...
  22. Akim
    Akim 18 October 2013 15: 26 New
    +9
    Withstood reading only half of the comments. Against the background of such podkolists, one can see the policy of a big neighbor. As a result. Not to build ships together - it's easier to play around. And we have: Poland is ready to hand over the documentation for the construction of three minesweepers according to their design, and we give them documents for the Lan missile boats. The series is cheaper than single buildings. And they could do it together with Russia.
    Polish minesweeper
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 18 October 2013 16: 15 New
      +4
      No need to build ships together - it's easier to have fun.

      Uh-huh. And get one more ball a la "An-70"? Let's at least put the plane into production, shall we? And then we'll talk about ships.
      1. Akim
        Akim 18 October 2013 17: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: Wedmak
        Well, let’s even launch a plane in a series, huh? And then we'll talk about ships.

        And what is stopping you? Nothing, besides the political will of the Kremlin. Professionals (in the form of airborne forces) have been waiting for him for a long time.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 18 October 2013 20: 34 New
          +2
          And what is stopping you? Nothing, besides the political will of the Kremlin.

          So let's just not pass over from a sick head to a healthy one? We are always ready, but from the Ukrainian side they are scratching something ... they are looking for all the benefits. At the same time, the same Motor Sich plows like a damn, making engines. And we are happy to buy them. So who has what hurts?
          1. Akim
            Akim 18 October 2013 20: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: Wedmak
            We are always ready, but from the Ukrainian side they are scratching something ... they are looking for all the benefits

            Naturally, it is the Ukrainian side that reduces the number of orders to zero. This is Rogozin with a pedagogical education, making a castling on the Il-476. This Ukrainian government does not agree to attract potential buyers (South Africa, Brazil, China, Pakistan). The Kremlin is like a child. Nashkodil. "It's not me"
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    2. cdrt
      cdrt 18 October 2013 17: 06 New
      +3
      Withstood reading only half of the comments. Against the background of such podkolists, one can see the policy of a big neighbor. As a result. Not to build ships together - it's easier to play around. And we have: Poland is ready to hand over the documentation for the construction of three minesweepers according to their design, and we give them documents for the Lan missile boats. The series is cheaper than single buildings. And they could do it together with Russia.

      1. Jokes - this is for you idiots like Cotobud. Go to the Baron website for example. The Internet is such an Internet - they judge everyone by the loudest ...
      2. The neighbor’s cow died, a trifle, but nice - this is our everything laughing
      3. About joint construction - on the one hand, it’s a pity that it’s not together, on the other - has Ukraine built a lot of ships for itself?
      4. And doe has many differences for the better from the projects of Scorpio or Katran (well, except for the nationality of the developer)?
      1. Akim
        Akim 18 October 2013 17: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: cdrt
        on the other, has Ukraine built a lot of ships for itself?

        The same question can be asked about the new minesweepers for the Black Sea Fleet. One and that with a creak.
        As for the "Lani" - the question is not a boat for Russia. It might not have been like the proposed project by the Ukrainian side. It is such a boat that the Polish side is interested in and the installation of Norwegian anti-ship missiles on them.
    3. Jager
      Jager 18 October 2013 23: 32 New
      +1
      I wonder what the hell for Ukraine POLISH minesweepers ?? Having from the Soviet Union huge engineering design bureaus and shipbuilding capacities (one Nikolaev shipbuilding plant was worth what!) "Great Ukrainians" profited them completely, so that they are not even able to carry out overhaul of naval ships - there is not enough money. Until the Rada is put in order and a single political and national idea is developed, there will be no sense. All Kiev's policy is based on confrontation. The people will be so completely bent, and the fleet will finally rust and be cut into metal. An alliance is needed, we are connected with Ukraine not only by geography and economy, but also by a common history. The longer and more we will kindle the hohlo-moskal srach, the better it will be for our "friends".
      1. Akim
        Akim 19 October 2013 00: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Jager
        I wonder why the Ukraine POLISH minesweepers ?? Having huge engineering design bureaus and shipbuilding capacities from the Soviet Union (what Nikolaev shipbuilding was worth!)

        For information. There are three shipbuilding plants in Nikolaev and are still alive. And the fact that Polish minesweepers - that’s it, the modern Russian understanding. We can do it ourselves.
        Yes we can. But so much cheaper. They plan to build it at our facilities.
  23. azlok
    azlok 18 October 2013 15: 32 New
    +4
    Rumor has it that they plan to buy an aircraft carrier at Bankova.
    So you can say goodbye to the old boats in Moscow:
    http://azlok.livejournal.com/738536.html
    And then, the recycling lobby in the Ukrainian government is gaining strength.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 16: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: azlok
      Rumor has it that they plan to buy an aircraft carrier at Bankova.

      Yeah read wassat Alexander Shakun's blog
      October 15, Kiev. At Bankova shared the good news. Viktor Yanukovych signed a decree on the modernization of An-2 aircraft to the deck version for the needs of the Ukrainian Navy. CARRIER NAVY BE! - They said in the presidential administration of Ukraine. Like they want to buy an English aircraft carrier, if they don’t find a sucker, they’ll let them on metal laughing
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 18 October 2013 16: 33 New
        +3
        I'm sorry, what?? An-2 ?? Deck???? Yes, they overeat false false mushrooms. I propose to revive the production of Corsairs (F4U), nevertheless better than the poor marine AN-2.
        1. Patriot.ru.
          Patriot.ru. 18 October 2013 22: 33 New
          0
          An-2 cool plane will sit even in a puddle.
        2. Altona
          Altona 18 October 2013 22: 53 New
          +1
          Why? Orlik rotor-engine - a formidable combat aircraft in Poland ... wassat
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 18 October 2013 17: 11 New
        +2
        Aha read wassat Alexander Shakun's blog
        October 15, Kiev. At Bankova shared the good news. Viktor Yanukovych signed a decree on the modernization of An-2 aircraft to the deck version for the needs of the Ukrainian Navy. CARRIER NAVY BE! - They said in the presidential administration of Ukraine. Like they want to buy an English aircraft carrier, if they don’t find a sucker, they’ll let them on metal


        What to say...
        Complexes, complexes, complexes (c) Pokrovsky gate laughing laughing
      3. maxvet
        maxvet 18 October 2013 18: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        October 15, Kiev. At Bankova shared the good news. Viktor Yanukovych signed a decree on the modernization of An-2 aircraft to the deck version for the needs of the Ukrainian Navy. CARRIER NAVY BE! - stated in the presidential administration of Ukraine

        Is that true? Definitely not a joke? belay
  24. Corrint_25
    Corrint_25 18 October 2013 15: 45 New
    +1
    [quote = roma2] BUT if this takes place in Russia it is optimization, if in other countries it’s squandering, [/ quot They don’t need bread just about Ukraine for ......
  25. Corrint_25
    Corrint_25 18 October 2013 15: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: Misantrop
    How many years have passed since the division of the fleet, not the same 20?

    ... a ship built in 1974 hi
  26. gych
    gych 18 October 2013 16: 24 New
    -7
    here you can see right away that the site is radiant!
  27. gych
    gych 18 October 2013 16: 42 New
    -3
    about the first minuses! do not break the current mouse in the heat of patriatism!
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 18 October 2013 16: 49 New
      +5
      But in essence, can you say at least something?
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 18 October 2013 17: 13 New
      +1
      gych
      here you can see right away that the site is radiant!

      about the first minuses! do not break the current mouse in the heat of patriatism!


      1. Well ... at Cotobud, the Baron is all much, much more cultural. Yes...
      2. In real life, a boor must be given in the face, here are the cons
      3. ПНХ dear, they don’t serve here
  28. vvpll
    vvpll 18 October 2013 16: 48 New
    +6
    Here is Azarov in Nikolaev / Mykolaev, the king was probably like that in Ukraine or the hetman - Mykola, after whom the city was named, he was planning to build a NATO fleet with the Dutchman, so the Ukrainian admirals won’t receive any super corvettes.

    About the origin of the name of the city

    In the first year of construction of the shipyard at the mouth of Ingul, it did not have a specific name. In the correspondence G.A. Potemkina with ML. Faleev and other persons the shipyard was called differently: Ingulsky shipyard. Shipyard on Ingul, Ust-Ingul, etc. Only in 1789 Potemkin gave the new shipyard the name Nikolaev.

    Regarding the origin of the name of the city in the special and popular literature, there are two versions: according to one of them, the city was named Nikolaev in honor of the first ship "St. Nicholas", launched from the stocks of the shipyard on Ingul, according to the second in memory of the capture of the Turkish fortress Ochakov on St. Nicholas - the patron saint of sailors.
  29. So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 18 October 2013 16: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Hudo
    Quote: So_o_tozh
    before the killing of Ukrainian fishermen in the Sea of ​​Azov

    A moral pan with a curved brain! Not "fisherman"and the poacher, and not from the good life that the Svidonauts arranged for him in U. He went to poachers - forced him.
    But most likely your type is sympathetic words - from a bastard who, if someone crawls into his garden, will pitch him with a pitchfork without regret, and then the reptile svidomordy crocodile tears.

    Console moral comfort on you or fill your conscience - http://ru.tsn.ua/video/video-novini/reakciya-ukrainskih-zhenschin-kotorye-uvidel
    i-smert-rodnyh.html and another
    The Russian side refused to conduct a joint investigation into the incident with a fishing vessel in the Sea of ​​Azov, which killed four Ukrainians.
    Most likely your conscience is when you cover the murder of people with your concern for my moral well-being.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 18 October 2013 17: 19 New
      0
      You will poke your girlfriends if the poke has not yet dried up about an excess of sivuhi in
      weakened by Svidomo organism, somehow.
      Quote: So_o_tozh
      The Russian side refused to conduct a joint investigation into the incident with a fishing vessel in the Sea of ​​Azov, which killed four Ukrainians.

      When Turkish poaching schooners, border guards U fired on and rammed, there wasn’t anything to hear the cries of ukroligofrenov about any investigations.

      Quote: So_o_tozh
      you cover the killing of people allegedly with your concern for my moral well-being.

      To me personally, your well-being, how to say softer on the ... side. But the essence is as follows - under the shore At the bottom trawls they knocked out everything living, and went to the neighboring shore. The thief went to steal, and the infamous thieves' trade is very risky ... it did not grow together, it did not work out.
      "Now the Ukrainians claim that the fishermen who were drowned in July were not poachers. This is a controversial issue. In Kerch and adjacent villages, for example, old, experienced, Soviet-trained fishermen speak extremely disapprovingly of fishing in the summer. Autumn and spring are the fishing season. They argue that in summer fish only fatten up fat, and it's one thing to fish for yourself, and another to go out to sea with nets and trawls. "The Ukrainian fishermen, who collided with the border boat of the Russian Federation in the Sea of ​​Azov, were definitely poachers, because now you can't fish at all," said Yuri Makogon, professor of the Azov Maritime Institute of the Odessa National Maritime Academy, to REGNUM IA.http://www.nexplorer.ru/print/news__11454.htm

      P.S. Just do not Svidomo hysterics with blunt beating of solid objects and screeching about the lack of delimitation in the Sea of ​​Azov, completely forgetting about the so-called "state border guard line" established by the Ukrainian side in 1999 unilaterally in these waters.
      1. So_o_tozh
        So_o_tozh 18 October 2013 17: 33 New
        -3
        Svidomo you have it in a gray matter inflamed from an excess of mash instead of the brain (according to your slang).
        And inappropriately cover the murder with mantras about poaching, are you completely inadequate?
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 18 October 2013 17: 54 New
          +3
          I remind you, to poke strangers, this is called rudeness, as is customary among all peoples. you probably do not know about it - not otherwise than the "superior race". laughing Just do not you amuse visitors to the site saying that you are from a decent family and have received a decent education.
          In connection with the foregoing, I must inform you that the ambition of an unwashed rural lout is of little interest to me.
      2. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan 18 October 2013 18: 55 New
        +2
        I do not condone poachers, but! They had to be caught and judged. Or is it not by all international standards, is it?
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 18 October 2013 19: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: Old_Kapitan
          I do not condone poachers, but! They had to be caught and judged.


          In my opinion, such a question remains completely unlit - and who owns the craft on which the poachers engaged in poaching? Judging by the reports, the families of the dead poachers (as well as the survivor), frankly speaking, live on the brink of poverty, beyond the means of the bollards.
          (IMHO) apparently escaped making dangerous maneuvers to the last possible only because most likely the "unsinkable" owner of the boat (safely staying in the shadows, and not on the dock) warned of those very unpleasant consequences that would follow for poachers and their poor family budgets due to confiscation of the boat.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 18 October 2013 18: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: So_o_tozh
      with fishing boat
      These "fishing vessels" with a crew of 3-4 people a year only for engines of $ 20. spend (information from those who live there). When this "peaceful angler" is at full speed, only the transom board and shafts with screws remain in the water ...
  30. TAIM
    TAIM 18 October 2013 16: 54 New
    +1
    why the fleet of Ukraine. they’ll build their own combat starships. give me a deadline. here with Europe a little rake. soldier
    1. maxon106
      maxon106 18 October 2013 17: 04 New
      +2
      guys m guys who you will become in a gay geyrop, come to your senses until late
  31. Aeneas
    Aeneas 18 October 2013 17: 00 New
    +7
    All this is utterly ridiculous. From it is only interesting how many ships are left from the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR Navy in Russia. Well, half a hundred, which is worse, was given to Ukraine, Ukrainians put 2-3 dozen on needles there. But after the Union there were more than 8 hundreds of warships. And now Russia has about half a hundred pennants! Where are the aircraft carriers cruisers, large anti-submarine ships, submarine divisions? Putin at the parade in Sevastopol showed a submarine ... Ukrainian, because there are no other living! Some shame ... Essentially haahly guilty.
  32. maxon106
    maxon106 18 October 2013 17: 01 New
    +2
    here 100% Ukraine is behind us
  33. gych
    gych 18 October 2013 17: 05 New
    -2
    Quote: Wedmak
    But in essence, can you say at least something?

    isn’t that so pleasing as the grief of a friend ?!
  34. Cherdak
    Cherdak 18 October 2013 17: 06 New
    +5
    To be or not to be the Ukrainian fleet? That is the question!
    Is it worthy to be humble under the blows of fate?
    Or do Eurogames need to resist?
  35. gych
    gych 18 October 2013 17: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Hudo
    Quote: So_o_tozh
    before the killing of Ukrainian fishermen in the Sea of ​​Azov

    A moral pan with a curved brain! Not "fisherman"and the poacher, and not from the good life that the Svidonauts arranged for him in U. He went to poachers - forced him.
    But most likely your type is sympathetic words - from a bastard who, if someone crawls into his garden, will pitch him with a pitchfork without regret, and then the reptile svidomordy crocodile tears.

    Remind me how many Russian violators were killed by Ukrainian Ukrainians? Remind about the explosion on the Ukrainian border? So who is there to drive with a pitchfork now? At such moments, you begin to understand the Russophobes! understand, not respect!
  36. So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 18 October 2013 17: 39 New
    +1
    Grandfather Khudo obviously expected with his comment to earn plusegs, but he came out an ablom, the bastard poked his snout in the mud.
  37. Misantrop
    Misantrop 18 October 2013 17: 58 New
    +4
    Quote: Akim
    The same question can be asked about the new minesweepers for the Black Sea Fleet. One and that with a creak.

    I can imagine how much screaming there will be if they actually build and try to base it. If because of the tug so much howl was ... lol
    1. Akim
      Akim 18 October 2013 18: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: Misantrop
      . If because of the tug so much howl was.

      Who howled because of the tug? Official authorities or separate media? And the question was about not notifying the Ukrainian side. And so change as much as you can under the "type for type" agreement.
  38. family tree
    family tree 18 October 2013 18: 06 New
    +5
    You’ll think, the boats were written off. Ships are not the main thing! The main thing is that in Ukraine there are already 14 admiraloff! Since there are admirals, then the fleet also exists request Well, somehow, somewhere wassat
    1. Akim
      Akim 18 October 2013 18: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: perepilka
      The main thing is that in Ukraine there are already 14 admiraloff!

      If it does not bother you, please kindly list them please.
      1. family tree
        family tree 18 October 2013 18: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: Akim
        If it does not bother you, please kindly list them please

        http://new-sebastopol.com/news/novosti_sevastopolya/Admirali_i_generali_Voenno_M

        orskih_Sil_Ukraini_obedinilis_v_klub
        Lazy to me. Count yourself laughing
        "Club admirals and generals of the Navy Of Ukraine "
        1. Akim
          Akim 18 October 2013 18: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: perepilka
          "Club of Admirals and Generals of the Navy of Ukraine"

          Or maybe this is not only acting, but a "hobby club"? Because Yezhel, Tynyuk and even from the heels of the former commanders have long been in reserve. Maybe you should figure it out first? If our commander is a vice admiral, then he has only 2-3 rear admirals in deputy and chief of staff.
          1. family tree
            family tree 18 October 2013 19: 13 New
            +3
            Ilyin Admiral. It means that he has rear admirals in the backswing, those who, in turn, have vice, again, admirals, and not 2-3. Yusch, as I recall, this production, almost put on stream.
            1. Akim
              Akim 18 October 2013 19: 42 New
              0
              Quote: perepilka
              Ilyin Admira

              Yes, I did. Received on Independence Day. For the rest, I advise you to look at the table of ranks, so as not to confuse the vice and rear admirals. And go to the MO site to see who else of them were assigned the next rank. Nmkomu.
              1. family tree
                family tree 18 October 2013 22: 45 New
                +1
                Well, I got it, it happens. I like the Major General and Lieutenant General more familiar
                Quote: Akim
                Nmkomu.

                The Commander of the Ukrainian Navy, in pursuance of the Decree of the President of Ukraine dated August 24 of the current year on the assignment of regular military ranks, and on behalf of the Minister of Defense of Ukraine, handed the shoulder straps of Rear Admiral to the Head of the Center for Naval Operations of the Ukrainian Navy Andrey Tarasov
                1. Akim
                  Akim 18 October 2013 23: 19 New
                  0
                  Quote: perepilka
                  I like Major General and Lieutenant General more familiar

                  Me too. That is why I asked him to name all 14 acting admirals. Such centers and Academies, in principle, general (rear-admiral posts. So Neizhpapa in Sevastopol (if approved) will also receive the next rank. He is only young for such stars.
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    3. Altona
      Altona 18 October 2013 22: 41 New
      +3
      "Mongolia is the largest landlocked country in the world. However, this did not prevent it from registering its ship register" The Mongolia Ship Reagistrv Pte Ltd "in February 2003. Since registration, Mongolia has been steadily increasing the number of ships flying its flag The State Great Khural (Parliament) adopted a law on maritime transport in 2007, declaring Ulan Bator the official port of registry for Mongolian ships.
      Many countries have signed the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. All ships sailing under the Mongolian flag have a home port of Ulan Bator. Currently, more than THREE HUNDRED ships sail under the Mongolian flag. Today, thanks to this, almost two million dollars have been contributed to the state treasury. In the list of countries with their own ships Mongolia ranks 70 out of 177 states, which is a great success for landlocked countries "
      ----------------------
      Mongolia also has a fleet ... fellow
      1. family tree
        family tree 18 October 2013 22: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Altona
        Mongolia also has a fleet ... fellow

        And the admirals? belay
      2. Aeneas
        Aeneas 18 October 2013 23: 00 New
        +1
        Belarus has river-sea ships, I personally saw on the Dnieper. Potash fertilizers are transported.
  39. redwar6
    redwar6 18 October 2013 18: 08 New
    0
    Do they still have a fleet?
  40. HAM
    HAM 18 October 2013 18: 20 New
    0
    Well, they wrote off and wrote off. It would be nice to talk about and scold.
  41. Galinanp
    Galinanp 18 October 2013 18: 21 New
    +2
    Most likely this is one of the conditions of Western Europe for Ukraine in her desire to lean against them. They say that it is defenseless against the threat of occupation by Russia, for this it is necessary to place a group of NATO Navy ships in the Black Sea.
  42. So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 18 October 2013 18: 47 New
    0
    Well, after all, it’s flour, soul for Russia and reason for Europe, I understand the Ukrainians who went to Russia to earn money and live there, but I think they are tormented in their souls who betrayed their homeland ... or not?
  43. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 18 October 2013 19: 06 New
    +2
    [quote = roma2] Lists of traveling boats, barges, tankers and bulk carriers

    You probably don’t know anything about supply vessels, for example, look at the composition of the US fleet. Without an auxiliary fleet there is no fleet but there is a bunch of military units that you cannot fully use even at your shores. this is now confirmed by Ukraine now. A fairly balanced mix of ships and ships was transferred to Ukraine, including Skr pr1135, which completed repairs and modernization - where they were now sold on needles, he himself observed how crew members sold cut pipelines and the rest of the bronzletka. The tanker tanker was sold. I am writing about this because in the subject, with such an attitude towards ships and vessels, no wear on timelines is needed. Look at the Black Sea Fleet for all the shortcomings of the squadron near Syria in full force and depreciation, so here is the example of the Commune.
  44. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 18 October 2013 19: 25 New
    -1
    Soon Tymoshenko Yulka will be released (under pressure from the EU .. negotiations are already underway ..) Yanukovych will start))) I think she’s going to get better in gay Europe and there “Oh, walk around Ukraine ...” I don’t envy Yanukovych .. and especially the Army and Ukrainian Navy .. Manage Ukrainians (I'm talking about the military) If there is anything to us in Sevastopol Novorossiysk (if NATO forces will surround Novorossiysk with cutters ..) we will cover it! .. We have already gone through this .. we know what is what and why .. Our Black Sea Fleet The Slavs must be united.!
  45. vvpll
    vvpll 18 October 2013 19: 26 New
    -1
    Since 2014, Ukraine has been canceling the call to the Armed Forces and going to reduce them to 120 thousand people. A call remains to the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs although there are already 350 thousand landlords in the country
    President Viktor Yanukovych canceled the compulsory conscription service in the Armed Forces. This is stated in decree No. 562 of October 14.
    "Not to make in 2014 a conscription to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other military formations (except for the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine)," the decree says.


    That is, if tomorrow, for example, Romania attacks Ukraine, then immediately after a military alarm in the country, all the ROVD are raised, they receive shields and helmets in the arms, they are built in phalanges and go to defend their homeland (unless of course they scatter along the huts). smile
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 18 October 2013 19: 38 New
      -3
      Quote: vvpll
      if tomorrow, for example, Romania attacks Ukraine, then immediately after a military alarm in the country all the police departments

      If they pay well, then ... they will take the money, but they won’t go to fight the cops.
    2. Slobozhanin
      Slobozhanin 19 October 2013 00: 33 New
      0
      [quote = vvpll] In Ukraine, since 2014, the call to the armed forces has been canceled and they are going to reduce them to 120 thousand people. A call remains to the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs although there are already 350 thousand landlords in the country
      [quote] President Viktor Yanukovych canceled the compulsory conscription service in the Armed Forces. This is stated in decree No. 562 of October 14.
      "In 2014, do not make a call to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other military formations (except for the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine)," the decree says. [/ Quote]

      The total number of Ukrainian police is 324400 people with universities, pre-trial detention centers, state security services (security and collection), etc. and 33300 military personnel.
  46. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 18 October 2013 19: 48 New
    +1
    How stupid does most commentators look in their baseless hatred of Ukraine. I do not want to believe that it is Russian.
  47. Akim
    Akim 18 October 2013 20: 06 New
    0
    Completing the project 1164 missile cruiser "Admiral Lobov" (formerly "Ukraine") costs almost half a billion hryvnia. This is stated in the response of the Minister of Defense to the deputy request of the svoboda member M. Golovko, which has MIL.IN.UA. The ship is now not part of the Navy. Its completion is considered impractical. The prospects of selling the cruiser to the Russian army have not yet been supported by interest from the Russian Federation. Let's remind, RC "Admiral Lobov" is now in a high degree of readiness on the territory of the plant named after 61 Communards (Nikolaev). The ship lacks strike weapons and the ship version of the S-300 air defense system, which are produced in the Russian Federation

    http://mil.in.ua/news/ukraina/5154-dobudova-kreisera-ukraina-koshtuie-1-4-mlrd-h
    rn

    So do not offer a price of 30 million dollars.
  48. alone
    alone 18 October 2013 20: 14 New
    +6
    Ukraine decided to write off 9 vessels, which are already more than 20-35 years old.

    In my opinion this is their business. What they want is what they do. and it doesn’t concern anyone hi
    1. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 18 October 2013 20: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      In my opinion this is their business. What they want is what they do. and it doesn’t concern anyone

      Perhaps you are therefore "lonely", respected that you have your own point of view. laughing hi
      1. alone
        alone 18 October 2013 20: 35 New
        +2
        recourse therefore lonely fellow but this is my point of view)) bully
  49. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 18 October 2013 20: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: gladiatorakz
    How stupid does most commentators look in their baseless hatred of Ukraine. I do not want to believe that it is Russian.

    There is no hatred .. Simply we will have to get you out of shit ... When you are devastated by benefactors from the EU, etc. In the last stage, I think you will even cut and export black soil to Europe .. (for debts ..)
    1. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 18 October 2013 20: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      We just have to get you out of shit ...

      Don’t you have to? Or do you ever hope to get out yourself?
      Quote: MIKHAN
      There is no hatred

      Funny ... read carefully. Your comments too.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      When you are devastated by EU benefactors, etc. In the last stage, I think you will even cut and export black soil to Europe .. (for debts ..)

      It is futile to explain something to the victim of propaganda. Doesn’t tire of writing nonsense?
  50. Cristall
    Cristall 18 October 2013 22: 11 New
    +8
    The VO-site can be safely renamed into the site of myths about Ukraine! He used to love to read topics about Ukraine so much and it became so bad to read them in a moment.
    I now fully justify Kars - he does the right thing that is ulcerating and spills everything to you in full. That's right! It is a pity he is alone, all of you are missing.
    They wrote off the old ships, the reasons are real, old and there is no money for capital. It is clear yes - there is no way to keep the fleet. We dance on the bones, joyfully compare it with the Russian fleet ... they’d even compare it with the USA.
    I can’t understand in any way — how many re-read sad articles about the Russian fleet — so that at least one Ukrainian would dance on his bones and appear? Well, I'm honestly at a loss. In essence, no one said anything except the Ukrainians. The rest only rejoiced - the cow died from a neighbor.
    And on the topic - it’s bad that there is no replacement. This is the worst trouble. There are shipyards, there are factories, there are no orders for the Navy. The dime is dumb. Although we need a compact fleet. We do not swing the ocean power.
    Please citizens, stop dancing on the bones. Respect each other.

    PS-if Akim is already from Odessa (hi by the way, I’m also from Y. Palmyra) have been called a svidomit and Bendera a bunch of times --- I begin to doubt the adequacy of some visitors to VO)
    1. Akim
      Akim 18 October 2013 22: 43 New
      +5
      Quote: Cristall
      PS-if Akim is already from Odessa (hi by the way, I’m also from Y. Palmyra) have been called a svidomit and Bendera a bunch of times --- I begin to doubt the adequacy of some visitors to VO)

      Good evening. This is a modern American psychology that has begun to infect many. They don’t want to think for themselves. Satisfied only with official propaganda. Therefore, who thinks differently than their power is the enemy.
    2. Oleg Kharkov
      Oleg Kharkov 18 October 2013 23: 13 New
      +4
      Mysterious Russian soul: this is your home brotherly hatred of Ukraine. We betrayed you: we did not want to return at the first call. Moreover, the worst thing, despite all the formidable prophecies, did not disintegrate, we are trying to build something, sell and we are not in a hurry to starve to death. In general, scoundrels in one word. It happens. Any success of Ukraine, in Russia's understanding, postpones the moment of reunification of the state, which, by an absurd accident, is located on opposite sides of the border. There were questions why cooperation with France does not raise questions, but constant friction with Ukraine? It's simple: Russia does not yet intend to include France in its composition, therefore it is possible to give the latter the opportunity to develop its military-industrial complex and shipbuilding. Well, Ukraine cannot - all of a sudden it just doesn’t have enough of this million to make a leap forward and build AN-214 or put the production of Cyclones on stream. God forbid loading the shipyards of Ukraine with orders, no, no, the NATO country is much closer and dear to you, and most importantly, they will definitely not go to the TS. Well, it’s not the point, Ukraine is in extreme situations, it’s much more productive for the right decisions and innovative projects. So, good luck, brothers, and wisdom: time will judge.
      1. Vasily Klopkov
        Vasily Klopkov 18 October 2013 23: 48 New
        -2
        Countryman, what are you saying? What hate? This is a hatred policy invented. And Russia and Ukraine should be together. And we cannot build aircraft at our KhAZ without Russia. I know that. I worked there.
        1. Oleg Kharkov
          Oleg Kharkov 19 October 2013 00: 04 New
          0
          Brotherly hatred is a little different - it's something like that only I can offend my younger one. And if someone from the street comes a stranger and tries to offend, then let him just try to touch a finger - brother I scold only I can’t dare to rest. If, as an example, then basically the comments were positive (in addition to very odious personalities) on the topic of marriage with armored vehicles for Iraq. And all because uncle Arabs are strangers to us. Although I hope we will still grow up and get out of this age, with his childhood grievances and misunderstandings and establish normal mutually beneficial relations.
      2. Jager
        Jager 18 October 2013 23: 59 New
        +1
        Time will just "judge" to such an extent that you and I will find ourselves in the same opera. The only difference is that Ukraine is smaller and poorer, and the Arctic fox will come to it earlier than to the Russian Federation. What am I talking about? Yes, that the Soviet reserve will end very soon. And what has Ukraine done during this time? How many factories (of its own) have you built and how many institutions have you opened? You just see - "written off, closed, optimized." In our country, this process, due to the oil pipe, is less intensive, but just as inevitable. (I can imagine how the vest of some commentators is torn with a shout "yes, everything is in Russia in Russia, the author will burn in hell"!) You don't have to go far for an example - what do you have in a home-made apartment? Well, perhaps an ax. And not because of the good life at every construction site in the Russian Federation, apart from Tajiks and Uzbeks, there are representatives of Ukraine. What speaks about the standard of living and economic well-being. I am generally silent about our outback ... So you don’t have to measure your pussy and splash nationalist saliva into each other. We have the same problems. And we can only overcome them TOGETHER.
    3. Corneli
      Corneli 19 October 2013 05: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Cristall
      The VO-site can be safely renamed into the site of myths about Ukraine! He used to love to read topics about Ukraine so much and it became so bad to read them in a moment.

      I'm here periodically thinking to write an article like "Top 10 Favorite Myths about Ukraine on Topvar.ru", but I'm afraid the local "Ukrainians" will have a break in all that is possible ... fellow
      P.S. By the way, the Russian members of the forum are actually "offended" by Ukraine (God knows how she offended them, the truth) about 10 people here. But they are like bayonets in every such article, always ready to drown in keyboard ecstasy ...