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Six wars in which China should participate in the next 50 years

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8 July, the pro-government Chinese newspaper Wenweipo published an article entitled “6 Wars in which China should participate in the next 50 years”.

The planned 6 wars are all for their own purposes unifying (irredentist) - in their root, the development of those territories that imperial China lost as a result of the opium war with Britain in the 1840-42 years. Defeats, from the point of view of the Chinese nationalists, which led to the “centenary humiliation” of China.

The English translation was taken from the Hong Kong blog Midnight Express 2046, the original article is ChinaNews.com. The Hong Kong resource calls the article an excellent example of modern Chinese imperialism.

China is not a single great power. This is the humiliation of the Chinese people, the shame of the sons of the Yellow Emperor. For the sake of national unity and dignity, China must wage 6 wars in the next 50 years. Some regional, others, possibly total. No matter what, they are all inevitable for Chinese reunification.

Six wars in which China should participate in the next 50 years


WAR ONE: ASSOCIATION WITH TAIWAN (YEARS 2020 - 2025)

May we be content with peace on both sides of the Taiwan Strait, we should not dream of a peaceful union with the Taiwanese administration (whether the Chinese Nationalist Party or the Democratic Progressive led by Taiwan). Peaceful union does not meet their interests in the elections. Their position is to maintain the status quo (desirable for both parties, each of which receives its own trump cards). For Taiwan, “independence” is more talk, than a formal statement, and “unification” is a problem for negotiations, but not real action. The current situation in Taiwan is a source of alarm for China, because so anyone can try to bargain for something from China.

China must develop a strategy for unification with Taiwan over the next 10 years, by 2020.

Then China should send an ultimatum to Taiwan, demanding from them to choose between peaceful unification (the preferred epilogue for China) or war (a necessary measure) for the 2025 year. Intending to unite, China must prepare everything three years in advance. When the time comes, the Chinese government will simply be able to choose one or another option to finally solve the problem.

Analyzing the current situation, we should expect that Taiwan will take a disobedient position and the military outcome will be the only solution. This unification war will be the first in the meaning of modern warfare for “New China”. These hostilities will be a test for the People’s Liberation Army in modern warfare. China can win this war easily or everything can be harder. Everything will depend on the level of intervention of the United States and Japan. The United States and Japan may assist Taiwan or even launch an offensive on the territory of the Chinese mainland, the war runs the risk of dragging out and becoming total.

On the other hand, if the United States and Japan are just watching, China will easily win. In this case, Beijing will control Taiwan for three months. Even if Japan and America intervene at this stage, the war will end within 6 months.



SECOND WAR: THE RETURN OF ISLANDS (YEARS 2025-2030)

After uniting with Taiwan, China will take a breather on 2 of the year. During the recovery period, China will send an ultimatum to the countries surrounding the Spartly Islands, which expires in 2028. Countries challenging the sovereignty of the islands may discuss with China the preservation of the share of investment in these islands, but must remove their territorial claims. If this does not happen, China will declare war on them, their investments and economic benefits will be appropriated by China.

Today, the countries of Southeast Asia are already shaking from the prospect of unification with Taiwan.

On the one hand, they will sit at the negotiating table, on the other hand, they will not want to surrender their interests on the islands. Thus, they will take a waiting position and will postpone the final decision. They will not make this decision until China resorts to decisive action.

At the same time, the USA will not just sit and watch as China “re-conquers” the islands. As mentioned above, in the part about Taiwan, then the US may be too late to intervene in the conflict or simply be unable to stop China, unifying Taiwan. This should teach the US not to conflict too openly with China.

However, the US will continue to help countries in Southeast Asia, such as Vietnam and the Philippines, covertly. These are precisely those 2 countries surrounding the South China Sea that dare to challenge China’s domination. And yet, they will think twice before going to war with China, unless they fail the negotiations and are confident in the US military support.

The best way out for China is to attack Vietnam, since Vietnam is the strongest force in the region. The victory over Vietnam intimidates the rest. As long as the war goes on, other countries will not do anything. If Vietnam loses, the islands will be given back to China. If on the contrary, they will declare war on him.

Of course, China will crush Vietnam and reclaim all the islands. When Vietnam loses the war and loses all the islands, other countries, frightened by the Chinese might, but still greedy for their benefits, will negotiate the return of the islands and declare loyalty to China. Thus, China will be able to build ports and deploy troops on the islands, spreading influence in the Pacific Ocean.

Before that, China had achieved a complete breakthrough on the first chain of islands and penetrated into the second, Chinese aircraft carriers now have free access to the Pacific Ocean to protect the interests of the country.



WAR THREE: THE RETURN OF SOUTH TIBET (2035-2040 YEARS)

China and India have a long border, but the only point of conflict between them is part of the territory of Southern Tibet.

China has long been an imaginary enemy of India.

India’s military goal is to surpass China. India seeks to achieve this by developing itself and through the purchase of the most advanced military equipment from the USA, Russia and Europe, seeks to catch up with China in economic and military development.

In India, the official and media positions are friendly to Russia, the United States and Europe, but repulsive or even hostile to China. This leads to the insolubility of conflicts with China.

On the other hand, India greatly appreciates help from the United States, Russia and Europe, believing that it will be able to defeat China in wars, which is the cause of lengthy territorial disputes.

After 20 years, India will lag behind China in military power, but will remain one of several great powers. If China tries to conquer Southern Tibet, it will lead to certain losses.

In my opinion, the best strategy for China is incitement to the disintegration of India. Dividing India into parts, it will have no opportunity to cope with China.

Of course, this plan may fail. But China must do everything possible to incite the provinces of Assam and Sikkim to gain independence in order to weaken India. This is the best strategy.

The second part of the strategy is to export the most advanced weapons to Pakistan to conquer Southern Kashmir and unite by the 2035 year. While India and Pakistan will be busy with each other, China must launch a lightning attack on South Tibet occupied by India. India will not be able to fight on two fronts, and, I think, will be defeated on both. If this plan is not adopted, the worst option remains, direct hostilities for the return of Southern Tibet.

At the end of the first two wars, China gained 10 years of strength and became a world power in terms of economic and military development. Only the United States and Europe (if it becomes a single country, if not, then Russia will take the place. But from my point of view, European integration is quite possible) will be on the list of world powers who can cope with China.

After the return of Taiwan and the Spartly Islands, China will make a big step in the development of its army, air force, navy, and space military forces. China will be one of the most powerful military powers, second only to the United States. So India will lose.



THE WAR FOURTH: THE RETURN OF THE ISLANDS OF DYOUYUDAO (SENKAKU) AND RUCK (YEARS 2040 - 2045)

In the middle of the 21 century, China acts as a world power, amid the decline of Japan and Russia, the stagnation of the USA and India, the rise of central Europe. This will be the best time to pick up the Diaoyu Islands and the Ryukyu Islands.

Many people know that Diaoyu are Chinese islands from ancient times, but they do not know that the Japanese annexed the Ryukyu Island (now Okinawa, with a US military base). The Japanese are misleading the Chinese society and government when they raise questions about the East China Sea, for example, the “middle line” established by the Japanese, or the “Okinawa question” implying that Ryukyu Islands are originally Japanese.

How shameful this ignorance is! Judging by historical records of China, Ryukyu and other countries, including Japan, Ryukyu are islands subordinate to China since ancient times, which means that the islands belong to China. In this case, is the “middle line” drawn by Japan justified? Does Japan really care about the East Sea?

Japan has deprived us of wealth and resources in the East China Sea and has illegally occupied the islands of Diaoyu and Ryukyu for many years. The time will come and they will have to pay. By that time, it should be expected that the US can intervene, but will be weakened, Europe will be silent, and Russia will sit and watch. The war may end in six months with an overwhelming victory for China. Japan will have no choice but to return the islands of Diaoyu and Ryukyu to China. The East China Sea will become China’s inland lake. Who dares to touch him?



WAR FIVE: UNIFICATION OF EXTERNAL MONGOLIA (YEARS 2045-2050)

Although today there are supporters of unification by Outer Mongolia, is this idea realistic? These unrealistic guys are just fooling themselves, making a mistake in strategic thinking. Now is not the time for the great cause of the unification of Outer Mongolia.

China should select the groups that advocate unification, help them reach important posts in their government and proclaim the unification of Outer Mongolia to the vital interest of China after the settlement of the issue with Southern Tibet to 2040.

If Outer Mongolia can be united peacefully, it will be the best outcome for China. But if China meets with external resistance, one should be ready for military action. In this case, a model with Taiwan is useful: the presentation of an ultimatum to the 2045 year. Give Outer Mongolia a few years, in case of failure to resort to force.

By this time, the four previous wars were over. China has military, political and diplomatic power to unify Outer Mongolia. The weakened US and Russia dare not go further than diplomatic protests. Europe will have a vague position, India and Central Asia will be silent. After unification, China can dominate in Outer Mongolia for three years, after the unification is completed, it will deploy serious military forces there at the border to control Russia. China will need 10 years to build conventional and military infrastructure to challenge territorial losses from Russia.



THE SIXTH WAR: THE RETURN OF THE EARTH FROM RUSSIA (YEARS 2055 - 2060)

The current relations between China and Russia would seem to be good, but this is a result of the fact that the United States does not leave them any other choice.

Both countries are closely monitored by each other. Russia fears that the rise of China threatens its power, but China has never forgotten the possessions lost in favor of Russia. When the case turns up, China will return all the lost territories.

After five previous victories for 2050, China will make territorial claims based on the domain of ownership (domain) of the Qin Dynasty (as an association of Outer Mongolia based on the domain of the Republic of China) and will conduct propaganda campaigns in support of such claims. Efforts must be made to ensure that Russia disintegrates again.

At the time of “Old China”, Russia occupied 1,6 million square kilometers of land, which is equal to one sixth of the territory of the current domain of China. Thus, Russia is China's worst enemy.

After winning the previous five wars - it's time to get Russia to pay.

This must lead to a war with Russia. Although by this time China is the foremost military power in the area aviation, Navy, ground and space forces, this is the first war against a nuclear power. Therefore, China must be well trained in nuclear weapons, the possibility of a nuclear strike on Russia from the beginning to the end of the conflict.

When China deprives Russia of the possibility of a retaliatory strike, Russia realizes that it cannot with China on the battlefield.

They will only have to give up their occupied lands, paying a high price for their invasions.
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  1. andrey777
    andrey777 19 October 2013 07: 08
    31
    Total bullshit
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 October 2013 07: 29
      41
      Quote: andrey777
      Total bullshit

      I looked at the source, there, under the article, comments on the Chinese. Here it would be better if they were transferred.
      1. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 19 October 2013 07: 40
        54
        Knowing something about the Chinese, I will say that the above is not a fake and fully reflects their moods.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 19 October 2013 08: 41
          27
          Quote: Kibalchish
          Knowing something about the Chinese, I will say that the above is not a fake and fully reflects their moods.

          The point is not even in moods, but inevitability. Demography and geography oblige them, otherwise China will suffocate. But Russia (and not only) hardly has a desire to help the Chinese people at their own expense.
          1. SAG
            SAG 19 October 2013 09: 04
            15
            Why not help? Send humanitarian aid in the form of rubber products with the Ministry of Emergencies! It is advisable that all countries provide such assistance, in Russia there is not so much rubber!
            1. 0255
              0255 19 October 2013 11: 51
              +5
              Quote: SAG
              Why not help? Send humanitarian aid in the form of rubber products with the Ministry of Emergencies! It is advisable that all countries provide such assistance, in Russia there is not so much rubber!

              rubber is not enough for such humanitarian aid all over the world laughing
            2. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 21 October 2013 04: 08
              +3
              These "products" they supply us in large quantities, however, to all countries! so your topic will not get through, we are lagging behind in strategy and tactics.
          2. Patton5
            Patton5 19 October 2013 10: 01
            25
            2050 year they will have 1.5 lard of pensioners ... have something to think about))
            1. Docklishin
              Docklishin 19 October 2013 10: 44
              +2
              I subscribe to your every word hi
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 19 October 2013 11: 48
              11
              Quote: Patton5
              2050 year they will have 1.5 lard of pensioners ... have something to think about))

              Correct - PERSONAL AGE PEOPLE, as it is known that a VERY large number of elderly people do NOT receive pension payments from the state, ANYWHERE ...
          3. andrejwz
            andrejwz 19 October 2013 12: 25
            +5
            Quote: Nagan
            The point is not even in moods, but inevitability. Demography and geography oblige them, otherwise China will suffocate.

            It is in the mood. It is in such warlike moods that China will be helped with demographics.
          4. Fin
            Fin 19 October 2013 12: 41
            +8
            Quote: Nagan
            Demography and geography oblige them, otherwise China will suffocate.

            I agree. They just need land for living and food. This can happen even faster without war: Small groups of civilians of 2-3 million each cross the border of the Russian Federation at several sites and begin to engage in farming without touching anyone. What we are going to do? How to send them back?
            1. Normal
              Normal 19 October 2013 13: 51
              +9
              Quote: Fin
              This can happen even faster without war: Small groups of civilians of 2-3 million each cross the border of the Russian Federation at several sites and begin to engage in farming without touching anyone.

              A much more realistic scenario, given our demographics, than the ravings of the sixth war after five won before. First, let them win at least one - the first
              When and where was the last time China won on the battlefield? In Korea? what
              1. 77bob1973
                77bob1973 19 October 2013 17: 07
                +5
                I think China will have enough problems in the first stage of the conquest of world domination. Not everything is so rosy with them and with demography it will be in the foreseeable future.
                1. dark_65
                  dark_65 20 October 2013 16: 50
                  +1
                  to us it will already be in figs .. or indifferently, we need to wet this
              2. orizonti
                orizonti 19 October 2013 17: 23
                +8
                If China starts at least one war, it will immediately fall into economic and political isolation a hundred years ahead, which will lead to the collapse of the economy.
              3. Blackgrifon
                Blackgrifon 20 October 2013 04: 25
                +6
                Quote: Normal
                When and where was the last time China won on the battlefield? In Korea?


                In Vietnam - after the US exit, China launched an offensive. And HOW the Chinese behaved with civilians in the occupied territories could not be compared even with the Yankees. China and the United States are our enemies by definition - we must not forget about this.
          5. Botanologist
            Botanologist 19 October 2013 16: 07
            +7
            Quote: Nagan
            Demography and geography oblige them, otherwise China will suffocate.


            Demographic problems are solved, in a bad version, by a nuclear strike, in a more "calm" one - by some mutations of the bird flu, the strains of which have already been tested in China. As for geography - in my opinion, normal geography, Tibet is capable of sheltering many partisan detachments of some Uighurs.

            In general, with such sentiments, Russia should seriously prepare a plan for a preemptive strike and implement it after the 4 war. And along the way, think about how to help all the neighbors who stand in line from 2 to 5 wars.

            Although, I think, China is unlikely to be able to develop as rapidly as in the last 15 years. America's decline and crises will slow down trade, and China will have to rethink its thoughts.
          6. Aryan
            Aryan 20 October 2013 13: 57
            +4
            Ketay big, he knows better bully
          7. Poppy
            Poppy 21 October 2013 12: 48
            +1
            no, do not oblige
            China is now moving towards depopulation, i.e. reduction and aging of the population, these are the consequences of birth control policies
            Really, time doesn’t work for them, so the calculation for the 50th year is nothing
        2. Patton5
          Patton5 19 October 2013 09: 59
          18
          So they also ignoramus)))))
          This is the first war against a nuclear power.
          Chegoito they do not consider India as nuclear?
          1. Normal
            Normal 19 October 2013 13: 54
            +7
            Quote: Patton5
            Chegoito they do not consider India as nuclear?

            Great-power chauvinism. For a long time did not receive on face.
          2. Blackgrifon
            Blackgrifon 20 October 2013 04: 26
            0
            Quote: Patton5
            Chegoito they do not consider India as nuclear?


            And their Indians felt sorry and did not begin to return to the Stone Age - that’s what they think in Beijing that everything will be so before.
          3. Poppy
            Poppy 21 October 2013 12: 51
            +3
            in India, and the population, for a second, is no less than the Chinese, and by 2040 it should even exceed the Chinese and there are no problems with the birth rate - there is neither a shortage of children, nor a demographic bias towards boys
        3. Russ69
          Russ69 19 October 2013 14: 18
          +8
          Quote: Kibalchish
          Knowing something about the Chinese, I will say that the above is not a fake and fully reflects their moods.

          Our mood is also popular, bomb Washington. But reality, as a rule, looks different.
          Article written by a teenager dreamer ...
          1. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 19 October 2013 18: 14
            17
            Quote: Russ69
            Our mood is also popular, bomb Washington. But reality, as a rule, looks different. Article written by a teenager dreamer ...

            People who did not serve as officers in the army, and did not even command a platoon, represent the army as a sort of bunch of tin soldiers who are easy to move around the planet, as on a map.
            To transfer a company with heavy weapons, food, ammunition, etc. to the position, 2-3 railway is required. wagon or 6-7 trucks.
            To transport a rifle division, 20-30 trains are required, and even more is needed for a tank and artillery division.
            In order to transfer the army somewhere, you need to have a powerful, extensive railway network. tracks and roads, tens of thousands of railroad cars, thousands of locomotives, millions of trucks and tractors. In China, in areas from which the invasion of Mongolia, India, Russia is possible, there is nothing like that and is unlikely to be.
            In order for Russia to launch a bombing attack on the vital centers of China, it is enough to fly 400-500 km from the Far Eastern airfields, so that the Chinese can hit the centers of Russia, they need to fly 4000-5000 km. It is unlikely that at least one rocket or even one plane will fly.
            1. sergerz
              sergerz 20 October 2013 06: 35
              +3
              Add the existence of one of the best air defense systems in Russia, the weakness of transport routes to the Far East: there are three possibilities, a trans-Siberian railroad, BAM, and a highway. No large wax resources are needed to cover them. There are simply no other options.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 15 October 2017 14: 19
                +3
                There are many reasons why this plan is not worth the paper on which it is written:
                1) Taiwan Yankees will not surrender.
                2) And Japan - even more so.
                3) Neither Europe nor Russia will remain silent with India.
                Somehow they deftly on paper succeed - they fight and become stronger. All the stories of world wars showed one thing - those who did not fight became stronger. And if your territory is hollowed out from all sides - you will think only about a cup of rice, and not about the next war. hi
            2. Goodmen
              Goodmen 21 October 2013 15: 50
              0
              I agree ... I’ll also add that you need to eat something and the ammunition is not endless ...
        4. ruslan207
          ruslan207 19 October 2013 14: 56
          +2
          Kibalchish-Hitler, too, much that wanted again sworn friends will unite the USA, ENGLAND, RUSSIA
          1. Tartary
            Tartary 21 October 2013 02: 46
            +4
            Quote: ruslan207
            Kibalchish-Hitler, too, much that wanted again sworn friends will unite the USA, ENGLAND, RUSSIA

            Hitler is not Kibalchish, but Badman with a basket of cookies and a barrel of jam from the Anglo-Saxons ...
            Kibalchish is Stalin!
            Do not confuse.
        5. Nick
          Nick 20 October 2013 23: 02
          0
          Quote: Kibalchish
          Knowing something about the Chinese, I will say that the above is not a fake and fully reflects their moods.

          Sometimes you can spoil the mood ... angry
      2. vlad_m
        vlad_m 19 October 2013 08: 33
        17
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I looked at the source, there, under the article, comments on the Chinese. Here it would be better if they were transferred.


        There is nothing easier!
        http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=ru&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&

        u=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs.chinanews.com%2Fweb%2Fmil%2F65%2F2013%2F0705%2F68242.shtml

        Chinese is difficult enough for direct machine translation. But the general meaning of the comments is clear.

        In between - the original article is posted on BBC.Chinanews.com

        I conclude that this is the fifth column in the PRC. What else can you talk about after this?

        The Chinese themselves lowered the author of the article below the plinth.

        If you want, I’ll ask a Chinese friend today to do a literary translation of the comments.
        1. 1c-inform-city
          1c-inform-city 20 October 2013 15: 21
          0
          Ask! Thanks in advance
      3. Rus2012
        Rus2012 19 October 2013 11: 19
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I looked at the source, there, under the article, comments on the Chinese. Here it would be better if they were transferred.

        The answer of our Sinologist to the article is
        Ninth:
        The pinnacle of military art is victory without the use of weapons! This is exactly how China peacefully solves the tasks of the Great Chinese Dream to once again become a world power of the first order and take revenge on all who humiliated China in the 18-19 centuries. The first "under the distribution" were the British for the Opium Wars. Hong Kong, as the world cash settlement center, they have already returned under Chinese jurisdiction "on a silver platter."
        Taiwan's Peaceful Return in the bosom of the motherland is the subject of ongoing negotiations on unconditional surrender of the United States.
        Islands in the oceanthat the Americans left as controversial in the Second World War (here and the South Kuril Islands) will cease to be controversial after the first white president of the United States peacefully brings the camp of white Anglo-Saxon Protestants to the collapse of the petrodollar.
        Himalayas - A natural fence between China and India (Southern Tibet). People cannot wage a large-scale war at heights of more than 3500 meters, and a small war does not solve any political problems.
        But by 2019, the force majeure circumstances that Putin called “tectonic processes of global transformation” will push countries and peoples of non-Western civilizations - the heirs of the Great Empire of Genghis Khan - to re-assemble in the Blood Union of the Family of Peoples under the auspices of the Chinese Emperor Xi.
        Hence - http://www.peremeny.ru/books/osminog/8293#comments

        Below are the soldiers of the armies who entered Beijing in 1900. The Chinese remember this well ....
        1. taseka
          taseka 19 October 2013 12: 13
          +2
          It looks like a "ladder of fools"
        2. Altona
          Altona 19 October 2013 16: 11
          13
          The war with India and Vietnam can strain the Chinese eggs so hard that you won't even have to think about a war with Russia ... Let's look at the United States, at the peak of their military power they barely "assisted" two countries: Afghanistan and Iraq with a population of 15 million people each ... The European Union shot all Tomahawks worth 5 million Libya ... So the fake is not a fake, for the propaganda "intimidation" of the Internet it will do fine ... And the fact that China will be able to resist India for a long time, almost equal in population and 100- the millionth stubborn Vietnamese who kicked his ass in 1979, sorry, I won't believe ...
          1. 77bob1973
            77bob1973 19 October 2013 20: 50
            +4
            The most interesting thing, with all the superiority of China over Vietnam, I will never put on China, from Vietnam and not such "shocked" and with greater superiority from the opposite side.
            1. Vivan
              Vivan 5 March 2016 19: 14
              +2
              Natural question: in the 60s of the last century, how many times were the United States stronger than Vietnam? Now, with all its desire, China will still not be able to achieve such superiority over Vietnam as the United States 50 years ago. All Vietnamese have a hostility towards the Chinese in blood at the DNA level, so let the Chinas climb onto our land - we will show them!
              In addition, around China there are India, Japan and the Philippines, which sharpen their teeth on it. As long as China fights with Vietnam, these states will not miss the opportunity to resolve the Chinese threat once and for all.
      4. ATATA
        ATATA 19 October 2013 12: 32
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I looked at the source, there, under the article, comments on the Chinese. Here it would be better if they were transferred.

        Here is a translation of the characteristic comment from the source.
        "作者 喝 大 了" - "The author drank a lot."
      5. Politician
        Politician 20 October 2013 22: 17
        +2
        I was not too lazy to translate the comments from the source. The attitude of Chinese readers to the article is negative to say the least. From censorship expressions: - "This is complete nonsense!"
      6. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 21 October 2013 04: 04
        +1
         Old China, Russia invaded our territory before and after a total of about 1,6 million square kilometers of land, occupying land equivalent to our existing sixth area, Russia is indeed my enemy of the nation enmity, so five After the war, in what for in order to calculate the Qing Russian border time count.

          How could Russia obediently return when it was only a war. At a time when China's sea, land, air and space forces aspect far exceeded Russia, but this is the first war against nuclear energy, so China must now anti-nuclear move all its capabilities, for example, with the destruction of their nuclear weapons in the front, middle and the end of possibilities. Russia is unable to fight back when the army arrives realizes that Russia is far from Chinese rivals, giving up their frustrations to the land, preoccupied with their acts of aggression, when the strong pay a high price.

          After the end of the six games war, China became the world's only economic and military power, the whole world did not dare to claim China, together with the EU, the United States, Russia, India, Japan, Africa and Brazil, the world belongs to China to establish a new world order - - ---------- Long live the people! fellow
        this is how it looks in the auto translation from the source !!!
    2. Very old
      Very old 19 October 2013 07: 45
      +5
      Uh, my friend, don't tell me. We remember the MAO: "The dispute and enmity with Russia will continue for another 1000 years." China has territorial claims to almost all its neighbors. They know how to wait, they have proved more than once. None of the big powers will defend India, and diplomatic demarches have never stopped the aggressors. The same applies to other neighbors.
      1. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 19 October 2013 07: 47
        11
        And it would be nice at the same time to raise the list of China's military conflicts since 1945. there will be more than a dozen. So much for "peace-loving China"
      2. Normal
        Normal 19 October 2013 13: 58
        +6
        Quote: Very old
        They know how to wait, they have repeatedly proved.

        Wait - yes! To fight - no! Let them wait ... Another 1000 years.
      3. Tektor
        Tektor 19 October 2013 16: 16
        0
        .
        None of the big powers will defend the same India, ..
        I think that this is not so, because with the rise of China, the strategic interests of India and the Russian Federation will push for the unification of efforts, up to the formation of a single confederate state.
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 20 October 2013 04: 30
          +4
          Quote: Tektor
          united confederate state


          At best, a Military Union, not a single state. For the rest, I agree with you, BUT this is only if India is threatened by a real threat from the eastern neighbor.
    3. Arberes
      Arberes 19 October 2013 08: 58
      10
      Quote: andrey777
      Total bullshit

      There is a saying like "Smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines!" Vietnam rolled them in the teeth once and they got out of their way, and then there were already solid victories in six wars?

      Quote: Kibalchish
      Knowing something about the Chinese, I will say that the above is not a fake and fully reflects their moods.

      Yes, let them dream, for this they do not beat in the face.
      1. Guun
        Guun 19 October 2013 09: 45
        +2
        They left Vietnam by direct order of the USSR.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 19 October 2013 11: 25
          +5
          Quote: Guun
          They left Vietnam by direct order of the USSR.

          Gone - not under orders, but under the influence of weapons. There ours were (on the side of the Vietnamese). I personally knew some ...
    4. Starfish
      Starfish 19 October 2013 10: 00
      +5
      "Complete nonsense"

      of course this is "complete nonsense", wrote some Chinese who has no right to make such decisions. he simply voiced the sentiments of a certain part of the Chinese, who at any moment can become the main ones in the country. we do not know how many people in the Chinese leadership think the same way. and it quite officially declares that by 2050 China will become the most powerful superpower in the world, not only economically, but also militarily.
      I think that after the 1st or 2nd war the kirdyk will come to the Chinese, and maybe at the same time to the whole world
      1. Normal
        Normal 19 October 2013 14: 02
        +5
        Quote: Starfish
        I think that after the 1st or 2nd war the kirdyk will come to the Chinese, and maybe at the same time to the whole world

        If China ventured into military operations, then having lost a significant part of the fleet and the Air Force already during the first war, it would quickly return to peaceful creeping expansion. The Chinese are not warriors.
      2. 77bob1973
        77bob1973 19 October 2013 21: 00
        0
        That is the question that war is a chain of events that cannot be calculated. China has one "+" that is human resources, this will not get you far. As one wise man used to say, "it is not the big battalions that win, but the well-aimed arrows". Large armies are poorly managed and unmotivated armies fall apart at the first difficulty.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 20 October 2013 07: 02
          +2
          Quote: 77bob1973
          unmotivated armies fall apart at the first difficulties.

          They put the Chinas in the rear of the armies of the detachments - it will be an excellent motivator.
          1. 77bor1973
            77bor1973 20 October 2013 17: 51
            0
            For such an army, the same detachment is needed.
    5. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 19 October 2013 10: 59
      -3
      when everything is chopped off from Vladik to the boat, then we'll see
      1. shtirlits
        shtirlits 19 October 2013 15: 47
        +2
        do not chop off, we will give love
      2. shtirlits
        shtirlits 19 October 2013 15: 48
        +2
        We have already chopped off Moscow. Schekerma-berm am
        1. MIX58
          MIX58 19 October 2013 19: 52
          0
          Quote: shtirlits
          We have already chopped off Moscow. Schekerma-berm
          .....
          ........ in you We got everything ... rags, rags ... Moscow ... even though ... a priori does not belong to us ... Moscow-Moshkva ... all this is territory belonging to Great Israel .. temporarily occupied an incomprehensible people called "Russians" ... they really call themselves Great Russians-Belorussians-Little Russians ... in short, Slavs ....., some ... but we know that on our GREAT IDISH the word SCLAW --- RAB .., in short, the Türks from the Schekerme-berme ---- does not shine ... True, We Dew are not going to collapse to Five Lyams (5), as we are predicted ... As Alexander Nevsky said (... nuuu- -Try it ... and try ...) ..: "Whoever comes to us with a sword will perish from the sword !!!!!!!!!!" ...
      3. MIX58
        MIX58 19 October 2013 19: 03
        -2
        Quote: Ivan Petrovich
        when everything is chopped off from Vladik to the boat, then we'll see


        Ivan Petrovich ... well, what are you carrying ... in order for us Rusov to collect on your proposed territory, you will have to, as "kandaliza rice" said ... from our ethnic group - to leave no more than 5 "genetic garbage under the name of the Russians ", And what do you think ---- WE will allow it to be done ... or Loudly SLAM the door on this planet called MIDGARD ?????????????????????? ?????????????????? ... (well, in your opinion - Earth) .....
        1. MIX58
          MIX58 21 October 2013 18: 40
          0
          My dear - at least you would subscribe ... ????? Which of you does not like the RUSSIAN PEOPLE ?????? ... Otherwise, we are going to fight, and who is PENDYAHAT .. until you know ( (((((((((((((((((((... We push all ..., we are not the first time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    6. AVV
      AVV 19 October 2013 11: 28
      0
      Lip is not forbidden to anyone to roll out, but not allowed !!! Bullshit !!!
    7. Corsair
      Corsair 19 October 2013 11: 44
      +1
      Quote: andrey777
      Total bullshit

      EVERYTHING "anyhow", the author of the article is keen on "working out" versions of the development of the situation, ABSOLUTELY not relying on the real state of affairs.

      Really nonsense ...
    8. starshina78
      starshina78 19 October 2013 13: 12
      +2
      Unfortunately, not nonsense, but a forecast for decades, and that could happen. Andrew 777! Take a trip to China and ask for a historical map of China in a simple bookstore. On these maps, China covers the territory from the Sea of ​​Okhotsk to Irkutsk, part of Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan. These territories are marked on the map as occupied. What time! They are sold quite legally, but nothing can be sold in China (I mean just such information materials) without the knowledge of state structures. Here is some information to think about.
      1. Samy
        Samy 19 October 2013 13: 58
        +1
        Complete nonsense. Buy a historical map of Russia, there are Finland and Poland and the Crimea and Alaska. Buy a map of the USSR, there are 14 more republics. We even have idiots requiring the return of Alaska ... so what?
        1. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 19 October 2013 16: 13
          0
          Quote: Samy
          We even have idiots requiring the return of Alaska ... so what?

          Well, I would not call myself an idiot just because I am concerned about the fate of Alaska after the end of its US lease for 99 years. Forgive me, they are just as vile on their part as asking a neighbor to drill, drill a hole in the wall, and then not return!
          1. Samy
            Samy 20 October 2013 04: 12
            +1
            So I'm talking about such strange people who first sell the drill, and then demand it back.

            United States Selling Alaska Peninsula to the United States of America

            18 (30) March 1867

            What are 99 years old? What kind of rent?

            And on the topic - there are similar dreamers in China.
            1. MIX58
              MIX58 21 October 2013 20: 07
              0
              Quote: Samy
              United States Selling Alaska Peninsula to the United States of America

              18 (30) March 1867

              Amiable in this WORLD, besides you, NOBODY has seen such a treaty ... When you consider yourself to be niipatil experts, bring the mentioned document to you with TEX, otherwise sit and sniff in two holes .... !!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        2. MIX58
          MIX58 19 October 2013 18: 47
          -1
          We even have idiots requiring the return of Alaska ... so what?

          And nothing .. according to the manifesto of the Leninist Council of People's Commissars "On the world without annexations and indemnities" ..... USA received the ownership of the territory along the river. The Yukon is up to 45 miles and all the Aleutian Islands with the center "Sitkha" ... NOVOARKHANGELSK ......, and so if the truncated normul ..... and why China was given after 99 years of lease Hong Kong .. I did If you don't know ..
          1. Samy
            Samy 20 October 2013 04: 18
            +2
            Because Hong Kong under the contract must be returned. And Alaska is sold. All have forgotten. Otherwise, we stand on one board with such Chinese, who demand Vladivostok.
            1. MIX58
              MIX58 20 October 2013 13: 57
              -1
              And Alaska is sold. All have forgotten
              There are no documents confirming the SALE of Alaska ... !!!!!!!!!!
              1. MIX58
                MIX58 21 October 2013 17: 21
                0
                For once I can say. People ... well, a little smoky ... ALEXANDER ALEXANDROVICH ROMANOV ... (Alaska ... this cannot be called "dear, half-witted ... because in that territory of existence of lands ..., S.Sh.A.. .RUSSIAN ALASKA is not ",, but you can only call up to 45 miles in the Yukon and the Aleutian Islands ..) ... could not sell, and did not sell anything ... leased for 99 years ... and that's all only .... Roosevelt was extremely surprised when Joseph Vissarionovich STALIN ..., did not discuss the "Treaty of peace without annexations and indemnities of 1918 signed by the Council of People's Commissars. from Lenin (blank) -bronstein") at the Yalta conference ... .Read Primary Sources ... and if education does not allow --- browse American comics ... and sniff in two holes ... I'm not against your desire to learn "Murzilka" ....., read and enjoy! !!!
            2. MIX58
              MIX58 21 October 2013 18: 28
              0
              And Alaska is sold. All have forgotten

              Alee bastard answer and where did you read this ?????
        3. starshina78
          starshina78 20 October 2013 18: 56
          +1
          Complete nonsense, you write! And I am stating a fact! It is necessary to carefully read the news on the internet. Many news sources reprinted a translated article by some secretary of the CPC Central Committee responsible for propaganda, which openly said that Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and the countries mentioned in the article were occupying truly Chinese territories, that they should be returned, where perhaps by diplomatic means, and sometimes by liberation with the help of the army. The article was published in Renmin Ribao, the central organ of the CPC Central Committee. And now: who writes nonsense? I only briefly recounted what was written in this article. Subsequently, after the publication of this article, and after a request from our Foreign Ministry, an answer came from China that, they say, this was the opinion of a separate member of the CPC Central Committee, and no refutation or apology was received.
          1. Flies
            Flies 8 October 2018 13: 52
            0
            Well, let’s put these lands not Chinese, but Uyghur. When Uigurs are called Chinese, it is the same as African-Americans called blacks. The Uyghurs (they are also Dzungars), as a nationality, with their project of Great Turkestan kept a large part of Central Asia under their boots. Including most of today's Kazakhstan with Kyrgyzstan. But the Chinese (of whom there are not so many in percentage terms) attribute these lands to themselves.
            The time will come when parts of China begin centripetal movement from Beijing. A matter of time. It takes only a few decades to be full and contented.
    9. Deniska999
      Deniska999 19 October 2013 14: 18
      +2
      For me, it’s better that China suffocates and America is with it.
    10. MIX58
      MIX58 19 October 2013 17: 14
      -1
      Quote: andrey777
      Total bullshit


      Comrades (or Gentlemen, who does not like the previous appeal) .... You spread this article in tomography, you did not look at the sections under an electron microscope ... And indeed - the author .. - a tea-grower - chizzy (received an order , advance payment), but no, if I could get drunk with rice vodka and forget my "Hongwenba" youth ... I decided to recall the times of the "opium" wars and get stoned in the trash with "ganjubas" ...; "... And that's where Ostap was born !. "The little green men whispered this ..... This opus turned out ... You ALL carried his gaze into the near future (like a plow rolled!) ... a dim-witted" chayvinist. "(We use the word chauvinist) ... I don’t even want to think how S.Sh.A. ..., on principle, fulfills its agreements (read how they are related to Taiwan and Japan !!) ... Such stubs are trying to bring their thoughts into our consciousness .. . "You can justify ANY aggression for the return of the ancestral Lands that belonged to us in ANY historical period !!!!!!!!!!!!" ... Here you can answer the current like this - "PARABELLUM !!!!" ... For if not soak. ... followed by a historical claim (growing into an ultimatum !!) about the ownership of the Ob-Don lowland and the Volga Upland ...--- to the state of ISRAEL ... because this area is inhabited by pure-blooded ISRAELIANS in the past KHAZARS ... and Prince Svyatoslav - Brave --- carried out the genocide of the Jewish people ... which is confirmed by modern historiography .. (death to anti-Semites .... Long live Great Israel !!!!!!!!!!!) ... But this will not happen. --Never !!!!! THE MOTHER OF GOD SAVE HOLY RUSSIA ORTHODOX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. MIX58
        MIX58 21 October 2013 17: 38
        0
        Well, that "kagal" --- TRUE --- hurts his eyes ??????
    11. Asgard
      Asgard 19 October 2013 20: 28
      +3
      The author is really chep-awl)))))
      I read the comments and returned to the first statement with the face of I. Stalin ....
      The most appropriate answer)))
      About China, now in detail. You are not surprised why all these corporations (all of a sudden)) began to sink into China as a team ????? And while there are plenty of other countries with cheap labor ????
      And this does not remind you of anything, well, for example, Germany, 20-30)))) before Hitler ????
      About the islands it’s funny, it’s so warm-up and training .... before the GOAL ,,,,,,
      why the Rothschilds (and ALL other "snakes")) pump up the Chinese economy.

      The main goal of the "dragon" is Russia and let no one experience ILLUSIONS.

      Now about Muravyov-Amursky.
      Quote: vlad_m
      Author - teach History! It is "History" with a capital letter

      The guy in his comment misinterpreted (you will find a little lower yourself, too lazy to quote everything)) and People plyusanuli him already 17 times, then they don’t know how it really was ,,,,,, ....
      The Great Wall of China was not built by yellow-faced "copiers" with loopholes to the South, which means that the territory did not belong to them, outside the walls, and Muravyov gave them territories to the Amur ...
      Therefore, the Chinese also signed the papers of the illiterate "Medvedev", pah, forgive Muravov ... one field Berries are headless donors of the Russian lands ...
      Yes, and the Romanovs did not care for these territories, they also gave Alaska and California ....
      No one is surprised that the Lewis and Clark Expedition (1803-1806) was undertaken precisely in these years, and it was then that the Americans got these territories .... The Romanovs handed out the territories of Great Tartaria ......

      Logic and History from AsgardSo for the overall development))))
    12. F117
      F117 19 October 2013 20: 33
      +1
      "... this is the first war against a nuclear power."
      And will India and Pakistan have already lost their nuclear arsenals? What kind of expert is such that he does not even know the members of the nuclear club?
    13. Semurg
      Semurg 20 October 2013 10: 15
      +1
      Quote: andrey777
      Total bullshit

      a tale of a lie and in it a hint of good fellows a lesson.
    14. dark_65
      dark_65 20 October 2013 16: 49
      0
      What worlds are you in, or do you not see your cozy little world further?
    15. Eirik Krause
      Eirik Krause 12 November 2018 03: 28
      0
      Right! nonsense under drugs written: everything is easy and simple: “It was smooth on paper but forgot about the ravines” “Figaro here, figaro there”
      But what about the nuclear potential of India? and is the US so peacefully watching China expand to all of Eurasia?
      what became clear is the reason for the United States to withdraw from the BDSM Treaty: the provocation of Russia to deploy such missiles and the subsequent release of China and Russia in a mutually destructive conflict
  2. Delink
    Delink 19 October 2013 07: 09
    +3
    Although ambitions are present, China cannot be underestimated.
    Armament in all directions. That says a lot.
    1. gsg955
      gsg955 19 October 2013 10: 14
      +5
      And if the Chinese have their own Hitler?
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 20 October 2013 10: 18
        +1
        Quote: gsg955
        And if the Chinese have their own Hitler?

        Hitler is not Hitler, but as China grows, ambitions grow, so do all empires of the past and future.
      2. alone
        alone 20 October 2013 14: 39
        +3
        Well, Hitler is unlikely, but gi tle ru is quite possible))
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 20 October 2013 21: 23
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          Well, Hitler is unlikely, but gi tle ru is quite possible))

          The joker, however. Actually, Mao Dzedong is superior to Hitler's followers.
  3. vlad_m
    vlad_m 19 October 2013 07: 11
    20
    The article is fake!

    At the time of “Old China”, Russia occupied 1,6 million square kilometers of land, which is equal to one sixth of the territory of the current domain of China. Thus, Russia is China's worst enemy.


    Author - teach History! It is "History" with a capital letter!

    The great Russian diplomat and man Muravyov-Amursky, through intimate conversations, persuaded the governor of the Chinese Emperor in the Far East to give Russia the "Bolshoi Trepanga Bay" (now the city of Vladivostok is located in this place) and lands south of the Amur Bay. The viceroy of the Chinese Emperor voluntarily, independently, without coercion, in view of his great affection for Muravyov-Amursky, agreed and said:
    - Carry a card! Draw the border!
    Muravyov-Amursky drew a border that is fully consistent with the current border between states.
    The governor of the Emperor waved a card of his own signature and concocted a gift letter. Both documents were immediately (as far as crew speeds and movement through the taiga allowed at that time) delivered to St. Petersburg.
    Since then, Russia has had a border in the Far East precisely within the framework defined by Muravyov-Amursky.
    Without a single shot! Without losing a single person in the battles, Russia acquired these territories. I suspect that the only injured in these events was the liver of Muravyov-Amursky.
    And do not forget that as early as the beginning of the 19th century, these were completely BLACK territories.
    Read Arsenev. At least "Dersu Uzala". Even at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, there were no special settlements on the Chinese territory. So. Very small villages, constantly ravaged by hunghuzes. Russian soldiers of the tsarist army organized expeditions - they fought off peaceful village Chinese from the hunghuzes.
    What losses of Chinese territories through the fault of Russia are we talking about?
    1. Very old
      Very old 19 October 2013 07: 48
      11
      China doesn't give a damn about any links to history. When you really want to, they find other arguments and arguments
      1. alone
        alone 20 October 2013 21: 27
        0
        when the question of current state ambitions arises, history is forgotten as usual. By the way, they brought me a souvenir card of historical China from China. I learned a lot of "interesting".))
    2. pahom54
      pahom54 19 October 2013 08: 36
      +8
      I agree with you completely, Oh !!!
      How many modern Chinese people know about these historical events ??? They have long been inspired by the idea that Russia has TAKED away these territories ...
      And, in fact, this article deserves special attention. While it is viewed throughout the verbiage of WISH AND PURPOSE of China, however, it is not entirely clear. Well, for the sake of training there, Taiwan, some islands ... All these are trifles.
      The main strategic goal is the territory of Russia. And, I am afraid that this is not the sixth task, as in the article, but somehow not a priority.
      It is also thought that among the vast mass of Chinese who ALREADY settled (or simply live and work) our Far East, there are a sufficient number of trained scouts, or rather, saboteurs, who at the right time will disable all vital communications.
      Even Mao, precisely at the time when China and the USSR swore friendship for a century, said that the USSR (read - Russia) should be used as a cash cow, and befriend her as long as it is beneficial to China (see Vladimirov's book " Special Region of China).
      I repeat: "friendship forever ...".
      So, this century is about to expire ...
      Therefore, Russia has one way: to strengthen its armed forces, strengthen the Far East, and ... prepare ... they themselves understood what.
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 19 October 2013 10: 09
        +2
        Relations with China are not a reason for paranoia, it’s very beneficial for someone to pit China and Russia .... maybe there will be a threat of conflict sometime, but this is not a reason to shout guard now
    3. Essenger
      19 October 2013 10: 13
      +4
      Quote: vlad_m
      The article is fake!

      Do you know what the word fake means?
      1. vlad_m
        vlad_m 19 October 2013 14: 04
        0
        Fake is a hoax. Are you checking me out? Or ask for clarification?
        1. Essenger
          19 October 2013 14: 16
          +4
          Vlad_m
          trust but verify)))))
    4. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 19 October 2013 11: 04
      0
      what a story, a story they make themselves ... and not our miserable edrosovtsy
    5. Semurg
      Semurg 20 October 2013 10: 20
      +2
      Quote: vlad_m
      The article is fake!

      At the time of “Old China”, Russia occupied 1,6 million square kilometers of land, which is equal to one sixth of the territory of the current domain of China. Thus, Russia is China's worst enemy.


      Author - teach History! It is "History" with a capital letter!

      The great Russian diplomat and man Muravyov-Amursky, through intimate conversations, persuaded the governor of the Chinese Emperor in the Far East to give Russia the "Bolshoi Trepanga Bay" (now the city of Vladivostok is located in this place) and lands south of the Amur Bay. The viceroy of the Chinese Emperor voluntarily, independently, without coercion, in view of his great affection for Muravyov-Amursky, agreed and said:
      - Carry a card! Draw the border!
      Muravyov-Amursky drew a border that is fully consistent with the current border between states.
      The governor of the Emperor waved a card of his own signature and concocted a gift letter. Both documents were immediately (as far as crew speeds and movement through the taiga allowed at that time) delivered to St. Petersburg.
      Since then, Russia has had a border in the Far East precisely within the framework defined by Muravyov-Amursky.
      Without a single shot! Without losing a single person in the battles, Russia acquired these territories. I suspect that the only injured in these events was the liver of Muravyov-Amursky.
      And do not forget that as early as the beginning of the 19th century, these were completely BLACK territories.
      Read Arsenev. At least "Dersu Uzala". Even at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, there were no special settlements on the Chinese territory. So. Very small villages, constantly ravaged by hunghuzes. Russian soldiers of the tsarist army organized expeditions - they fought off peaceful village Chinese from the hunghuzes.
      What losses of Chinese territories through the fault of Russia are we talking about?

      so they believe that your diplomat deceived or rather bought a Chinese
  4. Humpty
    Humpty 19 October 2013 07: 12
    11
    Such a fun plan smells like disinformation. If several of the countries mentioned join forces, Katai himself will fall apart into a bunch of little Chinese. In the past, the territory of modern China has never been a single state. In the future, China will have no less territorial claims in Central Asia. Lip no fool .
  5. Tatarus
    Tatarus 19 October 2013 07: 13
    +6
    Dreams of Chinese masturbators

    Quote: Humpty
    In the past, the territory of modern China has never been a single state


    And over the past many many years, not a single war has been won. And the world will not look for a long time at the rise of China. As soon as Khan attacks him in India.
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      1. Ustas
        Ustas 19 October 2013 08: 50
        +5
        Quote: Speckled32
        This Chinese Natsik Wishlist then does not fall off?

        This Chinese Natsik ears stick out from overseas.
        I always knew that journalists were corrupt, and this is the share of Chinese journalists as well.
    2. Very old
      Very old 19 October 2013 07: 53
      -1
      And do you have a lot of hats to "throw in" 1,5 billion? It seems that the narrow-film players have already won at the forum. Underestimating threats is known how it turns out
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 19 October 2013 09: 22
        +6
        Quote: Very old
        And do you have a lot of hats to "throw in" 1,5 billion?
        Yes, here, not with hats, but with "poplars" will have to throw. Well, how are they in America, and maybe even in Russia, will they communicate about missile defense? They will never develop their own, and they are no strangers to copy.
      2. Tatarus
        Tatarus 19 October 2013 14: 38
        0
        Quote: Very old
        And do you have a lot of hats to "throw in" 1,5 billion?


        If China attacks India, it is a poison war. No one needs it. Therefore, many will harness for the Indians in order to understand not the poison. Against the whole world, China will not pull.
      3. Semurg
        Semurg 20 October 2013 10: 23
        +4
        Quote: Old very
        And do you have a lot of hats to "throw in" 1,5 billion? It seems that the narrow-film players have already won at the forum. Underestimating threats is known how it turns out

        It looks like the situation before the Russo-Japanese war. The truth is that weapons and equipment are now different.
  6. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 19 October 2013 07: 17
    +4
    Now is the time that you don’t know what will happen in a year, or even tomorrow. And they painted everything for half a century.
    1. Ustas
      Ustas 19 October 2013 08: 51
      +3
      Quote: FC Skif
      And they painted everything for half a century.

      Well, for all the Chinese do not speak.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 19 October 2013 09: 27
      +4
      Quote: FC Skiff
      Now is the time that you don’t know what will happen in a year, or even tomorrow. And they painted everything for half a century.

      Quote: Count A.K. Tolstoy

      Sitting under the canopy
      Chinese Tsu-Kin-Tsyn
      And he says to the tangerines:
      “I am the main mandarin!

      Ordered the lord of the region
      I ask your advice:
      Why do we have in China
      Is there no time for order? ”

      The Chinese are all crouched
      Shook the backsides
      They say: "Then until now
      There is no order in the land

      That we are very young
      We are five thousand years old;
      Then we don’t have a warehouse,
      Then there’s no order!

      We swear by different tea
      And yellow and simple
      We promise a lot
      And we will do a lot! ”

      “Your speeches are sweet to me, -
      Answered Tsu-Kin-Tsyn, -
      I am convinced by force
      So obvious reasons.

      Just think: five thousand
      Five thousand is only years old! ”
      And he ordered to carve
      Immediately all the advice.

      April (?) 1869
    3. Very old
      Very old 19 October 2013 13: 39
      0
      Yes, not "they painted everything for half a century" = they are preparing their PLA, the people for the long term. And this is in all seriousness
      1. vvvvv
        vvvvv 21 October 2013 03: 00
        0
        Wrote in a personal answer, but the site is disgusting ...
        Issued when sending "Attention, an error was found. ANTISPAM: User ID not valid".
        And the big answer was gone ... Re-issuing the same ...
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    1. Bober
      Bober 19 October 2013 10: 14
      14
      Epochs, yes. But at the same time, they jump over several logical stages of development of any situation. They simply do not reckon with small details that have a huge impact on the process.

      The past two years are often on business trips to China (the chemical industry). We are holding a planning meeting and I say what are the risks if we do this or that. The Chinese often do not listen to the end, making it clear that they are already in the know from the first words. Please note that there are nuances. I am politely grateful for the clarification. After some time, it turns out that of the possible plans A, B, C, the Chinese chose plan Z. The plan is covered with a copper basin. There are dead. Last year, 150 people. I ask why they did it. Explanation at the student level 5th grade. Slips the word used. At first I tried to change the situation, because I can not observe the stupidity from what is happening before our eyes. Over time, I prefer to swim along the course of the Chinese river of wisdom correctly defining the shore. In return - health is not enough. I never know what the Chinese have in mind.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 19 October 2013 10: 34
        +2
        Thank you Anatoly!
        A very entertaining story and a wonderful conclusion
        Over time, I prefer to swim along the course of the Chinese river of wisdom correctly defining the shore. In return - health is not enough. I never know what the Chinese have in mind.
        soldiersmile
        1. Bober
          Bober 19 October 2013 10: 58
          +2
          Yeah. 70 countries and 16 years of business trips force us to draw certain conclusions about the mentality of different nations. belay smile
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 19 October 2013 14: 42
            0
            Quote: Bober
            Yeah. 70 countries and 16 years of business trips force us to draw certain conclusions about the mentality of different nations. belay smile

            Eco you good soldier
  8. kripto
    kripto 19 October 2013 07: 20
    +4
    A rather controversial article, but there is a certain logic that makes you think. Since the time of Mao, all border treaties concluded with the Russian Empire, starting from the 17th century, have been questioned by the Chinese. And what can I say, the quiet occupation of the Far East, Transbaikalia and Siberia has long begun, just at the moment China is not ready for an open armed confrontation with Russia. And if you look at the whole history of China, then most of the territories were seized by relatively "peaceful" methods - penetration, seizure of power and further assimilation of the conquered peoples. The Chinese are good students, because once in the USSR the Soviet people were striving for one nationality, so now in today's China the entire population is not divided into Manzhurs, Mongols, Uighurs, Tibetans, etc. there are all Chinese and thus the unity of the nation is formed.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 19 October 2013 09: 12
      14
      The Chinese did not capture anyone, they all captured them, and then dissolved, with millions of Chinese in the Far East fairy tales were already tired, they had not settled these territories for hundreds of years, because it was cold and hungry to live there. And where people live cold and hungry, they go for VERY large grandmothers, therefore, over the next decades even the southern territories of Siberia and the Far East will be unpopulated even if the birth rate in the Russian Federation is much higher than the reproduction of the population and trillions will be thrown into the development of these lands by the authorities. The Chinese themselves in the northern territories also lack people, almost the entire population along the warm ocean lives.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 19 October 2013 09: 57
        +3
        Quote: Avenger711
        The Chinese did not capture anyone, they all captured them, and then dissolved, with millions of Chinese in the Far East fairy tales were already tired, they had not settled these territories for hundreds of years, because it was cold and hungry to live there. And where people live cold and hungry, they go for VERY large grandmothers, therefore, over the next decades even the southern territories of Siberia and the Far East will be unpopulated even if the birth rate in the Russian Federation is much higher than the reproduction of the population and trillions will be thrown into the development of these lands by the authorities. The Chinese themselves in the northern territories also lack people, almost the entire population along the warm ocean lives.

        good Krasava. A plus
      2. Samy
        Samy 19 October 2013 14: 10
        0
        Exactly. Three pluses.
      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 20 October 2013 21: 38
        0
        Quote: Avenger711
        The Chinese themselves in the northern territories also lack people, almost the entire population along the warm ocean lives.

        In May of the 41st, We, too, reveled in our own power and slogans such as “We will beat the enemy on its territory. And we considered our technique the best.” What is the result?
        1. loisop
          loisop 20 October 2013 22: 31
          +1
          As a result, the Red Banner on the Reichstag.
          His technique was really better than German.

          Who are "We" who revel in something there?
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 20 October 2013 22: 49
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          . And their technique was considered the best. What is the result?
          The result was at the end of the 41st year, when the Germans, having behind them the resources of the whole crushed Europe, carefully prepared for the future war (taking into account the decent combat experience available at that time), having attacked at the most favorable moment for themselves, nevertheless, managed to break into Moscow. Let us recall how many DAYS the defenses of France were enough, for many years, seriously preparing for war with this enemy? And possessed by no means less in this respect opportunities ...
    2. Samy
      Samy 19 October 2013 14: 09
      +3
      Quote: kripto
      the quiet occupation of the Far East, Transbaikalia and Siberia has long begun

      You are obviously from Saratov, not from Khabarovsk. You know better from there, of course.

      Quote: kripto
      in present-day China, the entire population is not divided into cuffs, Mongols, Uyghurs, Tibetans

      Shares. Moreover, there are national entities, separate regions, settlements, and even streets and city districts, in which the national characteristics of this or that people or people inhabiting China are strongly emphasized. These are dances, songs, culture, crafts, architecture and more.

      Threat. I have been working in China for twelve years.
      1. kripto
        kripto 19 October 2013 16: 50
        +3
        Speaking about the occupation, I primarily have an economic dependence from the active purchase by Chinese holdings of mineral deposits to the market littered with consumer goods, clothing and food, which they often already begin to produce on our territory.
        And regrettably, all this was first of all allowed by ourselves.
  9. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 19 October 2013 07: 21
    +7
    It remains to achieve that the goals do not develop until their appointed time. Past Taiwan and Vietnam did not receive. I can only assume that the Uyghurs of China may also not support these plans and will have to solve problems at home.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 19 October 2013 07: 50
      +1
      Quote: Kyrgyz
      I can only assume that the Uyghurs of China may also not support these plans and will have to solve problems at home.


      The Uyghurs scored on Chinese street signs.
  10. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 19 October 2013 07: 28
    +5
    They did not take into account that India is also a nuclear power
  11. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 19 October 2013 07: 36
    +4
    from the Don.
    60 g-return of lands from Russia!? (War!) But will China itself fall apart before this time? History is developing rapidly and looking ahead even for a year, no one will decide!
  12. waisson
    waisson 19 October 2013 07: 37
    +1
    and what remains for them how not to fight the population is growing and the territorial resource is small - therefore, you need to keep your ears in order and not scatter your military technology
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 19 October 2013 08: 22
      +6
      They have not developed their territories so that we would freeze snot
      1. alone
        alone 20 October 2013 21: 32
        0
        and what to master there, if you look at the physical map well, then there’s nothing left to master there. All the plain and coastal areas are filled to capacity. But in the mountains you’ve not really turned around. Here they begin to look at everything around as their
  13. serge
    serge 19 October 2013 08: 18
    0
    "Russian and Chinese - brothers forever". A century is a hundred years. In the middle of the XXI century, these hundred years just come to an end. In this regard, the Russian anthem with the words "age-old union of fraternal peoples" is also somewhat embarrassing.
  14. awg75
    awg75 19 October 2013 08: 30
    +4
    this author must be issued a ticket to a specialized institution --- directly to the ward to Napoleon
  15. Zhaman-Urus
    Zhaman-Urus 19 October 2013 08: 31
    +4
    I'm not sure about Taiwan (although their army, in my opinion, is not weak), but Vietnam ... If the war starts, an all-out Chinese will be piled on. India is a nuclear power if the author is not aware. There is also Indonesia, Thailand, they also think they will not be delighted with such "land-gathering", and for Okinawa the Americans will send missiles to the Chinese from overseas and will be simply delighted with such a gift.
  16. ilf
    ilf 19 October 2013 08: 34
    +4
    As they say you want peace, get ready for war!
  17. Siberian
    Siberian 19 October 2013 08: 38
    0
    In eastern and central Siberia, working Chinese in woodworking and other similar desks, young hot Chinese guys slap their tongues that soon all of SIBERIA will be China. The more mature are silent, but the youth expresses theirs. This is what I’m saying, even if simple hard workers say so (it’s not blown to them by the wind), what’s in the heads of the highest ranks of China?
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 19 October 2013 08: 53
      +6
      maybe because they are young? The Chinese come to work and receive loot in the Russian Federation, because they get a penny in their homeland, and they are unlikely to like the arrival of the PRC to Siberia ... then they will also receive a penny. It is also worth noting that migration from China to the Russian Federation to Times lower migration from environments. Asia ... and the Chinese themselves in Moscow 30.000-40.000, and their communities in the Far East combined even less.
      1. 6 sunrise 9
        6 sunrise 9 19 October 2013 08: 59
        0
        Lol watched the census the Chinese called themselves 0.02% or 28.943h. the Chinese are already in the 61st place ...
      2. Siberian
        Siberian 19 October 2013 12: 34
        0
        6Sunrise 9
        Of course they are young, but no longer children. And they say that a sober mind, then a drunk on the tongue. This is how they see the young naive.
  18. Nomad
    Nomad 19 October 2013 08: 39
    +6
    The navel will be untied in China much earlier than 2055.
  19. major071
    major071 19 October 2013 08: 40
    +7
    In give the Chinese! They planned everything ahead for 50 years, and everyone presented it so that in 50 years only China would be a superpower, the rest of the countries in railway station The optimism of China can be envied. But not everything is as simple as the author draws. In 20-30 years, everything will probably be completely opposite. Geopolitics is a complicated thing.
    Well, it's time for us to take off our pink glasses and take a sober look at modern China.
  20. 6 sunrise 9
    6 sunrise 9 19 October 2013 08: 46
    +3
    You know the people, if the PRC tramples on everyone - Taiwan, the USA, Japan, India, Russia, Mongolia ... it will end up like Germany in 1945. These 5 warriors will already result in regional conflicts, and after the war with India (it will be impossible to destroy it) The PRC will lose the Russian Federation, so to speak, its "northern rear". And then the large countries of Asia and Oceania, from Australia to the Russian Federation, will create an anti-Chinese alliance. There is one more problem - the consumption of resources in the PRC is growing. The Russian Federation already takes the 3rd place in the export of resources to the PRC (1- Saudi Arabia, 2- Iran.) And even now the war with the RF will lead to a resource crisis. And yes, while the PRC is only modest good copy military equipment, it is far from a scientific superpower.
    1. Bober
      Bober 19 October 2013 10: 29
      +3
      If you trample, you can finish even earlier, because there must be a strong idea and fighting spirit of the troops + practical experience that the modern Chinese army does not have. If you look at the conflict between China and Vietnam, then the latter will stand bone across the throat. And well-intentioned. There is no such army as a Vietnamese one there in the region. This army has no complexes of losing power in the last century and is not burdened with dogmas. For example, Vietnamese still cannot understand why everyone is afraid of the United States. It was already mentioned here a few days ago that China entered Vietnam in the last century, but I can only add that at that time I had to recruit a Vietnamese militia to repulse, because the regular army of Van Tien Dung was solving problems with the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.
    2. La hire
      La hire 19 October 2013 11: 54
      0
      1- Saud. arabia

      This fact alone makes China a colossus on crystal legs. The USA does not need a strong China either, and Riyadh, as one of the closest refractors of Pindostan in the Middle East, can easily block this vein.
  21. Avenger711
    Avenger711 19 October 2013 09: 06
    +9
    Taiwan China will take it, this is so according to all the laws, the Russian Federation does not recognize Taiwan, for example, but how China, imposed on all sides, plans to play further, another question is, in order to steer at least in Asia, you need to control the Strait of Malac, otherwise oil will be dumb. => Russia could use a base in India and a couple of aircraft carriers to simply shut down the Chinese economy if necessary. I'm not talking about the Russian Far East, these are waste lands and their occupation in the short term is economically useless due to the lack of infrastructure that can be used immediately, it takes decades to invest, diligently conducting resettlement, in the absence of those who want to move there, that is, you need the most powerful stimulation, and this is subsidies. In general, not for wartime occupation.

    Will the neighbors stand and watch China beat Vietnam another question, it’s obvious that because of the islands, albeit with oil, a full-scale war is foolish, but it’s completely for going to Indonesia, but it may not like it, like India, which, being the Crimea of ​​the Indian Ocean, can begin to crush using the already mentioned vulnerability of transport arteries.

    China itself is now a very heterogeneous state, in addition to national grapes and dialects, so the northerners of the southerners do not understand there is a problem of a rich coast and poor villages in the outback, the question of who is more. At the same time, the policy of "one family - one child" creates in the medium term a bunch of young men who have no brides, which creates tension and requires the release of excess testosterone (with which Asians generally have a problem, therefore they lag behind whites) and extra men through the war. But in the long term, and this has been dramatically collapsing population growth for 25-30 years, causing it to age, problems get up to their throats even without a war. This can only be compensated for by pulling the illiterate population out of the villages and slowly processing it, but this will not ensure the accumulation of intellectual potential, since trained people will not leave enough offspring.
  22. kostik1301
    kostik1301 19 October 2013 09: 25
    +3
    Such authors, in turn, panic and further sell their homeland .....
  23. ed65b
    ed65b 19 October 2013 09: 54
    +3
    if grandmother had x she would be grandfather. The whole article is supposedly so if everything is always silent. And if they will not be silent? China has already lost one war to Vietnam. will lose again. And I don’t even speak about the rest. Let Taiwan try to break its teeth. It will break or knock out the teeth. The author has only to defeat the Martians. Crap.
  24. serge
    serge 19 October 2013 09: 57
    +3
    Interestingly, if you write an article of the same nature, only substitute Russia instead of China, there will not be six points there. Alaska, Manchuria, all of Eastern Europe, the entire territory of the former USSR — all former territories of the Russian Empire.
    1. Essenger
      19 October 2013 10: 14
      -3
      Quote: serge
      Interestingly, if you write an article of the same nature, only substitute Russia instead of China, there will not be six points there. Alaska, Manchuria, all of Eastern Europe, the entire territory of the former USSR — all former territories of the Russian Empire.

      Dreaming is not harmful
      1. not good
        not good 19 October 2013 12: 54
        +1
        Why is it not harmful to dream? Let him write, discuss!
        1. Essenger
          19 October 2013 15: 39
          +3
          Quote: Negoro
          Let him write, discuss!

          Just let them write what they want
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  26. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 19 October 2013 10: 43
    +1
    The Chinese will not fight, they are very wise and cunning people, and the warriors from them are not very.
  27. Ross
    Ross 19 October 2013 11: 00
    +1
    Quote: Kibalchish
    Knowing something about the Chinese, I will say that the above is not a fake and fully reflects their moods.


    More like a provocation.
    Too naive scenario, as if they are alone fighting for global influence. Here unpleasant surprises may appear for them.
  28. Nayhas
    Nayhas 19 October 2013 11: 02
    +2
    You need to understand that this article was written to please imperial citizens of whom there are sooooooooo much in China. To understand what is behind this article is quite difficult. The Chinese people appreciate the cunning people and treatises of Sun Tzu, but one of his main points is deception. To deceive the enemy is the path to victory. The world has not heard anything new from China’s territorial claims, they have been known for a long time, but the procedure for implementing these claims and the timing are indicated. This is clearly a signal to those countries against which aggression will be waged. The weakest country on this list is Mongolia. It has the weakest and fewest army, a small population that mainly roams the country and mobilization is practically impossible. Those. the occupation of Mongolia will not take much time and will not lead to either high costs or high losses.
    The strongest country on this list is undoubtedly Taiwan, which has been preparing for its war with mainland China throughout its history. In addition, the lack of a land border makes the invasion of the country quite problematic, because it is impossible to achieve surprise. To count on the fact that the United States and Japan will remain neutral at the same time is more than stupid. This is especially true of Japan, which is well aware that over time its turn will come. Those. the anti-Taiwan campaign is a clearly protracted war against a group of countries with far from brilliant outcomes.
    The author of the article arranging the list of wars in the first place in terms of probability puts the most difficult option, but it simply pushes back. But this does not happen, at first they fight with a weak opponent, leaving a strong one for later, gaining experience and maintaining a victorious mood in the country.
    Therefore, the first will fall Mongolia, this will be a signal to Moscow and prevent its possible alliance with opponents, when the Kyakhta will have Chinese troops, our oligarchs will have no complaints about the cost of buying oil and gas by China. The capture of Mongolia is the provision of a guaranteed rear and supply of metal, timber, oil and gas. Well, then most likely India ...
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 19 October 2013 11: 52
      +4
      The strongest army in this list is India, the strongest army is in Vietnam, and Russia will give them all the lyuley (I hope that in 2050 we will still get out of the priest we climbed into in 1991).
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 19 October 2013 12: 05
        0
        Quote: fzr1000
        India has the strongest army in this list.

        Read carefully, the war against India is planned from two fronts. This is a very real scenario, border conflicts that do not turn into an exchange of nuclear strikes. Both Islamabad and Delhi understand that in Beijing there are no arrows on Delhi on operational maps, the question of small sections of the territory for which they will fight in the old fashioned way. There can be no large-scale war in Tibet, because maneuvering large units is not possible, and the supply of parts is complicated.
        Quote: fzr1000
        the strongest army - in vietnam

        This is an open myth. At the time of the Chinese invasion of Vietnam, the latter had an army consisting of professional military men who had vast experience behind them, now they are already very old, and in the current army of Vietnam they only heard about the war from their parents, and from the media.
        Quote: fzr1000
        I hope that in 2050 we still get out of the priests, which we climbed into in 1991

        you are an optimist ...
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 19 October 2013 19: 17
          0
          Of course, I am an optimist, which I also wish for you.
          And as regards China's flirtation with Islamic Pakistan against India, it can play a cruel joke with the Chinese, who have their "Punjab" in the form of the Uighurs. And it will turn out like in a fairy tale about a squirrel that is itself ...
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 20 October 2013 10: 37
            +3
            Quote: fzr1000
            Of course, I am an optimist, which I also wish for you.
            And as regards China's flirtation with Islamic Pakistan against India, it can play a cruel joke with the Chinese, who have their "Punjab" in the form of the Uighurs. And it will turn out like in a fairy tale about a squirrel that is itself ...

            Uigurs can not be considered in recent years 30-50 million Han people have been resettled in Xinjiang and there is rapid industrialization that will require even more Han people. Uigurs and Kazakhs have been bargering there while there were more and they were far outskirts and had special status supported by the USSR, now this is nothing, the only terrorist attacks are possible, but I think the Chinese will harshly and brutally stop them if they pressured their tanks on Tenanmen Square, then foreigners will not be spared.
            1. Nayhas
              Nayhas 20 October 2013 11: 06
              +1
              Quote: Semurg
              Uyghurs can not be considered

              The fate of the Uigurs and Tibetans is indicative, so it will be with any nation that fell under China ...
          2. Nayhas
            Nayhas 20 October 2013 11: 01
            0
            Quote: fzr1000
            And as regards China's flirtation with Islamic Pakistan against India, it can play a cruel joke with the Chinese, who have their "Punjab" in the form of the Uighurs.

            If you look at the map of how China’s expansion in Asia is progressing, it is obvious that Afghanistan is the main goal. Honestly, I have no idea what is so special about it, but China has been trying to establish control over it for many years. As confirmation of this, the victory of China in Pakistan over the United States, previously Pakistan was a faithful ally of the United States in this region, but the Chinese lured the Pakistanis through intrigues and financial injections and now they are the only allies of China. Then China, by migrating from annexed territories and injecting huge amounts of money into the economy, actually occupied Tajikistan, and Afghanistan is located between Tajikistan and Pakistan. Many people absolutely do not notice the interests of China in Afghanistan, but if you go back, we see how China helped the Afghans in the fight against the USSR. It is believed that the United States helped the Afghan Mujahideen with weapons and money, but US assistance is by no means comparable with the help of China, as the bulk of the weapons came to the Mujahideen from China. And now, China is helping the Mujahideen with weapons against the United States, this is somehow not mentioned, but without the help of China, the Mujahideen could not have waged a war against the United States. And quite obvious. that when the Americans get out of Afghanistan, the next troops will be Chinese ...
    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 19 October 2013 11: 59
      +4
      It is indisputable to start with the simple and the weak, only the question arises - who will give it? Hitler did not so easily crush Czechoslovakia and Poland - the west surrendered these countries to him, and all in order to make the Hitlerite stronger and become a threat to the USSR. BUT! China poses a threat to all major players - both for Russia and the United States with puppet Europe, i.e. it is very unlikely that anyone will support him with such open aggression, this time. Two - a war, whatever it is, will unambiguously lead to serious economic upheavals, and the cost of a war will in any case block the benefits of the war. So, economic absorption of these countries is beneficial for China, which, by the way, is, in my opinion, more realistic.
      And then - I came across a cute map of China, on which it was shown that if you cover with charges, even if not nuclear, only 3 dams in the mountain gorges, then a huge part of the Chinese population and infrastructure will simply be washed away, China will lose electricity, communications, a huge number of people will die , even more will be left homeless, etc.
      PS And finally - recently on the site there was an article about Chinese strategic bombers, which are such that we can say that they are not. Considering that no one will sell such machines to China, and they themselves obviously cannot develop them, given how they "develop" everything, then how is China going to fight without such an important component as strategic aviation? Moreover, his "enemies" in the person of Russia and the United States are full of such good)
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 19 October 2013 12: 16
        0
        Quote: Albert1988
        It is indisputable to start with the simple and the weak, only the question arises - who will give it?

        Show me the country that will rise behind the mountains of Mongolia? Yes, most citizens of Europe and Asia can not even show it on the map. What will Russia do if tomorrow Chinese troops rush to help their citizens whom they oppress in Mongolia (there have already been riots in Mongolia over the dominance of the Chinese), with the subsequent unification of the divided people of Inner Mongolia with the outside? Well, they will talk in peace, they will protest at the UN and that’s it.
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 19 October 2013 13: 03
          +1
          The question is that if Mongolia was of interest to anyone, it would have been occupied for a long time, but there is neither oil, nor gas, nor anything there. And the climate is considered the most severe
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 19 October 2013 13: 39
            0
            Quote: ivshubarin
            The question is that if Mongolia was of interest to anyone, it would have been occupied for a long time, but there is neither oil, nor gas, nor anything there. And the climate is considered the most severe

            You have no idea about Mongolia. Mongolia was actually occupied by the USSR, the USSR withdrew its troops from the territory of Mongolia only in December 1992, nominally Mongolia was independent, in fact, another USSR as Tuva, Mongolia could not conduct any independent foreign policy, and they understood this all over the world. Even when your beloved Stalin gave the order to shoot the government of Mongolia, no one in the world was even indignant, well, they took the government to Moscow, well, they shot it.
            And at the expense of oil and gas ... "Copper and molybdenum concentrate, fluorite, cashmere, wool, leather, clothing, leather goods, meat are the main export goods. The country's bowels are rich in mineral resources, including vast deposits of coal, iron ore, tin, copper, uranium, petroleum, zinc, molybdenum, phosphorus, tungsten, gold, fluorite, and semi-precious stones. "
            20% of GDP is mining. GDP growth in 2012 amounted to 12,3%! This is due to the extraction of natural resources.
            And at the expense of the fact that there is the harshest climate, you obviously invented it like everything else. I repeat, you have no idea about Mongolia.
            1. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 19 October 2013 14: 38
              +1
              Climate map look at the temperature differences there. All that you listed is in both Russia and China that there would be no point in fighting
              1. Nayhas
                Nayhas 19 October 2013 16: 31
                +1
                Quote: ivshubarin
                Climate map look at the temperature differences there. All that you listed is in both Russia and China that there would be no point in fighting

                Mongolia, even if it did not have any natural resources, has strategic importance in terms of its impact on Russia. From the border of Mongolia to the Trans-Siberian Railway less than 200 km. Mongolia is a springboard for an offensive in the direction of Western-Eastern Siberia, only from Mongolia is it possible to provide normal supplies to the advancing troops by road and rail. If Mongolia will be near China and there will be Chinese troops on its territory, then our rulers will have to take this into account when deciding on pricing issues and the vector of foreign policy.
                PS: how do you think the notorious temperature differences can scare the Chinese? They settled the Gorno-Badakhshan region of Tajikistan without problems, moreover, they manage to engage in agricultural activities there, and the conditions there are worse than in the Gobi desert ...
                1. Alex Bugur
                  Alex Bugur 19 October 2013 19: 43
                  +1
                  And Russia will sit and watch?! Where do you get it, dear? Which dealer?
                  1. Nayhas
                    Nayhas 20 October 2013 11: 04
                    0
                    Quote: Alex Bugur
                    And Russia will sit and watch ?!

                    And she sits and looks, and also drives oil cheaply to China, and also closes her eyes to Chinese chemists. factories that produce synthetic drugs which overwhelmed the cities of Russia and which can be ordered by mail Russia from China ...
      2. Starfish
        Starfish 19 October 2013 12: 23
        0
        “It is indisputable that we need to start with the simple and weak, but the question arises - who will give it? Hitler did not just crush Czechoslovakia and Poland - the West surrendered these countries to him, but everything in order for the Hitler child to grow stronger and become a threat to the USSR. poses a threat to all major players - both for Russia and for the United States and puppet Europe, ie it is very unlikely that anyone will support him with such open aggression, this time ... "

        so you yourself answered and who will give laughing and for what it will. Britain and the United States stayed behind the seas in World War I, and now the EU and the US will push China to Russia, hoping to sit out.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 19 October 2013 13: 20
          +1
          Quote: Starfish
          The EU and the US will push China to Russia, hoping to sit out.

          And here I do not agree with you! The US is more likely to push Russia towards China, as China's priority goal is the Pacific region — that is, the patrimony of the United States; the loss of influence in the Asia-Pacific region will be similar to death for America. Moreover, in the near future, China will face precisely the United States, not Russia, because it can come to an agreement with Russia, but the Americans are not used to negotiating and will clearly hold on to its hegemony in the region.
          But seriously, this article can be described as: "I drove pathos through pathos, sees pathos in pathos, paphos, put pathos in pathos - pathos for pathos, pathos, pathos!" So somehow, which suggests that the article was written by a Chinese urya-attorney-empirialist for the same urya-attorney-empirialists hi
    3. Selevc
      Selevc 20 October 2013 14: 36
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      Therefore, the first will fall Mongolia, this will be a signal to Moscow and will prevent its possible alliance with opponents

      It will be difficult for China to defeat Mongolia - since invading the territory of Mongolia, it will be necessary to catch at least one Mongol in order to announce to him that his country has been conquered :)))

      But seriously, Russia has always historically protected Mongolia from the encroachments of third countries, most likely in the future the fate of Mongolia will be closely connected with Russia ...
  29. Ross
    Ross 19 October 2013 11: 11
    0
    Quote: Very old
    Uh, my friend, don't tell me. We remember the MAO: "The dispute and enmity with Russia will continue for another 1000 years." China has territorial claims to almost all its neighbors.


    Look at the maps of Asia of the 17-18 century. What China is called today, or rather China, is a small enclave between Tibet and Vietnam, where the so-called Han Chinese lived, sometimes called northerners by monkeys, savages, and hillbills. And in the North was Chinese Tartaria, a state that has nothing in common with present-day China. And the population as well. And if the Romanovs did not kill the real story, and would proclaim Muscovy the successor of Tartaria (and not just taking the title of emperor and the black and yellow flag of the former empire), it is unlikely that present China could present any territorial claims to us.
  30. MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr 19 October 2013 11: 12
    +1
    The article works to unite all anti-Chinese forces ... And force them to fight China instead of the USA ...
  31. Polovec
    Polovec 19 October 2013 11: 35
    +1
    I don’t understand what you found stupid in this article? Very reasonable layout. Russia's extra reason to realize the damage from the destruction of the defense line in the Far East and begin to urgently strengthen its borders. In modern conditions it is extremely difficult. He served in ZabVO and I know what I'm talking about. It’s not easy to serve a difficult land, but without it we will lose territory sooner or later.
  32. Averias
    Averias 19 October 2013 11: 35
    +2
    Still, Asian women are attractive. Especially the one on the left in the picture, it's nice to see the devil.
    1. Snipe 74
      Snipe 74 19 October 2013 12: 24
      0
      Quote: Averias
      Still, Asian women are attractive. Especially the one on the left in the picture, it's nice to see the devil.

      Soon these "attractive women" plus men will dictate their terms to the whole world. Now they are friends with us, but this is while they are gaining muscle mass. But sometime (I'm afraid that very soon, much earlier than the 50s) we will have to face them head on. And then the territory of our country will greatly decrease. Our army will definitely not hold it. For each destroyed piece of equipment, another one will immediately appear, I generally keep quiet about people. And we can only talk about the reserve about the equipment of the 50-80s, and what kind of reserves there are. In a word, tsunamis will sweep us away regardless of their own losses.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 19 October 2013 13: 37
        +3
        Comrade, if you read my comments above, and rummage about the topic described on the Internet, you will understand that China is quite vulnerable to countries that have long-range high-precision weapons, to which our country belongs, by the way. So, given the concentration and distribution of the population in China, we or the Americans will be able to destroy hundreds of millions of people at a time, destroy energy, infrastructure, production in a couple of strikes, in general, the war will "unexpectedly" come to the Chinese home and leave no place. The Chinese understand this, so they will most likely act not by war, but by creeping intervention, "orange" revolutions and economic expansion.
        In general, an interesting scenario was described in the wonderful Japanese cyberpunk work "Ghost in the Shell": the action takes place there in the 2040s, approximately, if I remember exactly, China gained power, developed an army and navy and flooded, first to Vietnam. As a result, EVERYONE rushed to China, because they very vividly imagined what the consequences would be, and at the same time, Asia was divided in a new way. And as a result: Japan took Taiwan and all the disputed islands, the Americans settled together with the EU in Vietnam and adjacent territories, China itself is divided into two states - "South China" - a democratic state with which no one is friends (like the Weimar Republic), and the northern part is occupied by Russia. So the Japanese imagination drew a hypothetical war of China against the whole world. After all, no matter how powerful the country has with the whole world, it will not be able to fight! Yes, and you need to understand - the world has become global, and in the global world you need to behave differently, otherwise you can get more problems than get benefits)
        1. Averias
          Averias 19 October 2013 13: 53
          +1
          I totally agree with you!
    2. fzr1000
      fzr1000 19 October 2013 19: 22
      +1
      Well, they were probably selected to this unit (company, battalion). Because I, basically, see other Chinese women. No ice, in short.
  33. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 19 October 2013 11: 56
    +4
    there’s such a thing ... like recently, everything is so CHARMED by China, its growth and blah blah blah .....

    koo koo !!! we see mostly a shop window! and what’s there and how it’s really there - my grandmother said in two. and then, that all of the above will stupidly spread their legs? India for example? Russia ?

    in general - "Wishlist" is all, very similar to the Indian predictions of the disintegration of Russia into a bunch of different banana strands.
  34. From
    From 19 October 2013 11: 59
    0
    Hanks in red! Slender ... And they have a Type 79 or Type 85 submachine gun in their hands (I can’t figure it out)?
  35. taseka
    taseka 19 October 2013 12: 12
    0
    "The current relations between China and Russia would seem to be good, but this is a result of the fact that the United States does not leave them any other choice." There's something about it!
  36. 222222
    222222 19 October 2013 12: 13
    -3
    "WAR SIX: RETURN OF LANDS FROM RUSSIA (YEARS 2055 - 2060)"
    It is already underway, 1. the creeping slow settling of the eastern and Siberian regions by the Chinese .. "Corrosion" of Russia from the inside .. Penetration of one or two - consolidation (at best, marriage to a Russian) - invitation of relatives - creation of a national community - language requirement - schools, etc. - the purchase of industrial and infrastructural assets .. and so on the knurled .. "And this is with a low birth rate in these Russian regions and high productivity of the Chinese. 2. The capture of the Russian market, including the production of food (food security 3. Financial war - the yuan is gradually approaching the Euro and the green .. can the Russian ruble compete with it? 4. The Arctic and climate change - China has already declared its interests in this region ... Although China has no direct access to it has .. Is Russia ready to share with him? and in general possible climate change (warming and melting of ice or a sharp cooling on the planet Earth ??) will significantly shift the geopolitical processes in the world.
    One thing is obvious - "we only dream about peace" and "Russia has two allies - its Army and Navy !!"
    But without internal stability, without a single society, without an inner core cementing this ...
    1. Sour
      Sour 19 October 2013 13: 41
      +5
      Quote: 222222
      creeping slow settlement of the eastern and Siberian regions by the Chinese

      The Chinese in Siberia and the Far East are now even less than 10 years ago. Affected by restrictions on market trade for foreigners. The Chinese in Russia is easiest to meet in Moscow, but not in Siberia. You go to Europe (probably you weren’t there, as in present-day Russia), there are a lot of Chinese there. Even in Moscow there is not so much, not like in Siberia. In all major European cities, no bartender is Chinese, no waitress or maid is Chinese, and there are a lot of them at construction sites.
      1. 222222
        222222 19 October 2013 14: 13
        0
        And I talked with relatives from the deep Krasnoyarsk Territory - they are talking about a different picture .... ???
        1. Belogor
          Belogor 20 October 2013 13: 39
          +1
          Well, I am from Krasnoyarsk and I cannot confirm the judgments of your relatives from the "deep" region. There are not so many Chinese people in the region, there are more Tajiks and Kyrgyz.
  37. Echo
    Echo 19 October 2013 12: 15
    +5
    Thanks, neighing. Start China at least one of these wars, it will be for China itself the end of everything, and in the most literal sense. It seems that the author of this article is either an American fosterling, or just crazy, somehow getting to the head physician's computer.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 20 October 2013 10: 47
      +2
      Quote: Echo
      Thanks, neighing. Start China at least one of these wars, it will be for China itself the end of everything, and in the most literal sense. It seems that the author of this article is either an American fosterling, or just crazy, somehow getting to the head physician's computer.

      I don’t know about all the wars, but about Taiwan, China never said that it refused to join either peace or war. Hong Kong joined the world.
  38. Tektor
    Tektor 19 October 2013 12: 15
    +3
    Chinasa still does not take into account the "peculiarities" of the yellow race. It's good. It means that he absolutely does not understand the tasks that he needs to solve ... They will have a sad epiphany.
    About Inner Mongolia and the territory of Russia. There is such a historian, Valery Chudinov, I think. Which provided evidence that of all the great Chinese walls, only one was actually built by the Chinese - the closest to Beijing, the latest. The rest of the "walls" are roads for troops through the mountains, which were built by an unknown or simply forgotten civilization, it seems, Great Tartary. And that Rurik's genes go back 12 thousand years ago specifically to this region. And many of the so-called Chinese inventions given to the world were in fact simply borrowed by the Chinese from a more highly developed "forgotten" civilization.
    Northern China is the alma mater of the Russian princes, and it is worthless to be trampled underfoot by the mold of the earth.
  39. major071
    major071 19 October 2013 12: 22
    +6
    All the same, China is a strong player. And his army is not the one about which they joked: aviation, two planes, all three tanks, and small groups of soldiers, half a million people each. Small groups then remained, but aviation and BTV noticeably increased in number. What's on their mind - FIG knows. The article is certainly complete nonsense, but in every joke there is some truth. Friends, they are friends to us, but sometimes it’s better to have specific enemies than friends about whom you know nothing.
    When you shake hands with the Chinese, hold the other loaded gun.
  40. Bezarius
    Bezarius 19 October 2013 12: 36
    +4
    The imperial Chinese are fools. Firstly, it is clear that already starting from the first war, they will not be given a break between the wars. They will have to wage a constant war, starting with 2020 (from the first war). Secondly, Russia will not allow the annexation of outer Mongolia, since for us their neutrality and their freedom is of strategic importance. If they can do it. That in the war against the Russian Federation they do not shine absolutely, like all previous empires that tried to conquer or chop off a piece of Russia. The whole world will participate in the war of China against the Russian Federation on the side of the Russian Federation, since the Russian Federation has for centuries been the last frontier of empires. The rest of the countries will not participate in good intentions. Their goal will weaken Russia and China as much as possible, so that later they would get a chance to turn both into colonies. In general, the war will end at the moment when both the Russian Federation and the United States feel a real threat, in this case, China cannot avoid a massive nuclear bombardment from the Russian Federation and China.

    In short, the article is amateurish nonsense. China can fight against anyone but Russia.
  41. Sour
    Sour 19 October 2013 12: 49
    +4
    There are many Chinese, but there have always been many. At all times.
    And they won no one. Because the gut is thin.
    I'm not talking about the 19th century, when China tore apart strong European powers.
    And not about the 20th century, when the Japanese beat the Chinese and pressed them east, to Tibet, with a power ratio of 1:20.
    I'm talking about the Middle Ages, when China was successfully conquered by small and wild peoples, such as the Mongols and Manchu.
    With all due respect to the Chinese people, they are like warriors - complete (cut by moderator) This is not what I say, this is the story of China.
    What the hell is the "Chinese threat"? Is this with the external dependence of the Chinese economy? They keep it on imported raw materials, and not only oil, but also on imported iron and copper ore.
    Their defenses rest on nuclear weapons, but nuclear war does not bode well for them either. After all, with their population density, they simply have nowhere to evacuate people from cities, with the threat of a nuclear attack.
    Economically, China is strong, but its competitiveness is falling and will continue to fall. Because the main trump card of China was cheap rabsila, and now it is a thing of the past. Salaries in the country are inevitably growing, and there are less and less people willing to invest in China. And without foreign capital, China means little. It is now more profitable to build a plant in Vietnam or Thailand than in China.
    In short, do not be afraid of China. These are horror stories of amers and geyropeytsev so that Russia is more oriented to the west.
    1. Metlik
      Metlik 19 October 2013 13: 13
      0
      In the war, electronics and robots are increasingly playing a role. The Chinese simply rivet them more, we can only hope for a nuclear strike.
      1. Sour
        Sour 19 October 2013 13: 24
        +1
        Quote: Metlik
        The Chinese just rivet them more

        What do they rivet them from? From imported ore?
        China will cut off the supply of raw materials from abroad, and its economy will die in six months.
        And about the robots - smiled. Oh, how robots were missing in the Caucasus! They would send them for stripping, and for escorting the columns. And robots would dig in the checkpoints ... tossing concrete blocks, digging the ground ... how primitive is it in real life!
        1. Metlik
          Metlik 19 October 2013 14: 03
          -1
          Who will block supplies to him? Our oligarchs?
          Carapace c1 can be called a robot, it will cost a lot without a person, after 20-30 years it may not be needed at all.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 19 October 2013 15: 50
        +1
        Quote: Metlik
        In the war, electronics and robots are increasingly playing a role. The Chinese simply rivet them more, we can only hope for a nuclear strike.

        This is not "that" electronics. Civilian and military electronics make a big difference.
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 19 October 2013 13: 14
      +1
      Yes, the defense of 200mi Cossacks camp Albazin against 20000 of the Chinese imperial army is worth
  42. Nayhas
    Nayhas 19 October 2013 12: 55
    -1
    Here, among the supporters of the version that China does not need our Siberia and the Far East, there is an opinion that is already being presented almost as an axiom, that the Chinese do not want to live in our harsh climate and therefore there can be no expansion. To refute this frank delirium invented clearly with someone else's filing, it is enough to look at the fate of those territories that Tajikistan handed over to China. In 2011 under a joint agreement, Rakhmon gave 1 thousand km. km Murgab district of GBAO of Tajikistan. This land is located at an altitude of 5000 m above sea level and is the most sparsely populated in Tajikistan, GBAO generally occupying 45% of Tajikistan’s most unsuitable area for living, it is impossible to farm there, you can live only along rivers and not everywhere. Now about the climate, I quote:
    "Winter periods are long and cold. Summers are short and cool. Average annual temperatures even in the valley part are negative and are -1,5 ... -5,5 degrees. Temperature during the summer period at altitudes of 3500-4200 meters ranges from + 11 ... + 12 degrees, even in July significant night frosts are possible. On some days the air can warm up to + 20 ... + 25 degrees. The frost-free period in the area lasts only 45-60 days. High mountain ranges prevent the penetration of humid air masses, from this the amount precipitation in the region is extremely limited and comparable to that in deserts. The average annual rate is only 60-100 mm. Due to the great dryness, you can observe how in the ascending streams of air raindrops evaporate, not reaching the surface, as snow evaporates in spring. "
    In general, the conditions are worse. But despite this, China settled these lands rather quickly, moreover, Chinese peasants began to cultivate seemingly unsuitable lands, taking crops from them, surprising the Tajiks with this.
    If the Chinese, at the behest of the party, live and work in such conditions, then what is Siberia and the Far East for them?
  43. voliador
    voliador 19 October 2013 13: 07
    +1
    If the Chinasians attack India, we will need to extinguish them at this time, otherwise they will certainly not stop there. And for this we need a well-trained and armed army.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 19 October 2013 13: 49
      0
      But doesn’t it seem interesting to you that Kuzhugetovich didn’t have time to become the Minister of Defense, did unscheduled inspections and regular exercises go right away? And the most ambitious ones are in the Far East?
  44. PiP
    PiP 19 October 2013 13: 36
    +3
    There is a proverb, "zagad-bastard". I remember Hitler at 41, the identity thought that he won everyone and there were already plans who would manage what and extract. But something went wrong with Hitler on June 21, 41st. And the Chinese author has plans for half a century. "Yes, man is mortal, but that would be half the trouble. The bad thing is that he is sometimes suddenly mortal, that's the trick!" (C) M. Bulgakov "The Master and Margarita". Who can guarantee that China will not suffer the fate of the USSR? Maybe somewhere there is already a plan for the collapse of the PRC. After the collapse of the PRC, I admit "Six wars in which China should participate in the next 50 years" - only between the former provinces.
    1. Metlik
      Metlik 19 October 2013 14: 11
      -1
      Quote: PiP
      Who can guarantee that China will not suffer the fate of the USSR.

      In China, a more or less uniform national composition and religion. Where does the fifth column come from.
      1. biglow
        biglow 19 October 2013 17: 28
        +2
        Quote: Metlik
        Quote: PiP
        Who can guarantee that China will not suffer the fate of the USSR.

        In China, a more or less uniform national composition and religion. Where does the fifth column come from.

        who told you this, in china there is not even a single language. Southerners and northerners understand each other only at the level of hieroglyphs and speak different languages, as well as another hundred peoples ....
        in the picture, the girls from the parade are all from the north and the southerners are of shorter stature and the legs of women are curved like the Japanese ...
        1. Metlik
          Metlik 19 October 2013 18: 52
          0
          Quote: biglow
          Southerners and northerners understand each other only at the level of hieroglyphs

          The Italians also began to speak the same language about 150 years ago, nevertheless they are one people. With an increase in living standards, the media will quickly bring the language to a single standard.
          1. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 20 October 2013 04: 40
            +2
            The Chinese are far from a homogeneous people, the Manchus have seized power, not everyone likes it
  45. shtirlits
    shtirlits 19 October 2013 13: 46
    0
    Well, and ours drink vodka with them ... haaa mess
  46. nnz226
    nnz226 19 October 2013 14: 07
    +4
    Name at least one "external" war in China in which it would have won? All their films, where armies of many thousands converge, ranging from swords and bows, to machine guns and tanks, and the "good Chinese guys" win, are related to "internal" wars, such as the civil wars of 1945-49. Some parts of China are at war with others. But with external enemies or attackers, or victims of the attack of China itself, where are the victories?
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 20 October 2013 10: 59
      +2
      Quote: nnz226
      Name at least one "external" war in China in which it would have won? All their films, where armies of many thousands converge, ranging from swords and bows, to machine guns and tanks, and the "good Chinese guys" win, are related to "internal" wars, such as the civil wars of 1945-49. Some parts of China are at war with others. But with external enemies or attackers, or victims of the attack of China itself, where are the victories?

      nomads came to China (Toba, Khitan, Jurchen, Mughal, Manchu) and after the capture of China, external wars began in Korea, Indochina, Middle Asia, India, and the Far East, not counting the wall territories, they were often either conquered or dependent on China. the last conquest is Tibet.
  47. svp67
    svp67 19 October 2013 14: 14
    +1
    THE SIXTH WAR: THE RETURN OF THE EARTH FROM RUSSIA (YEARS 2055 - 2060)


    In light of this ... is it worth selling to China
    three amphibious all-terrain vehicles on an air cushion "Arctic", six more airboats
    No, it’s not worth it ...
  48. EGORKA
    EGORKA 19 October 2013 14: 24
    +1
    The outbreak of war with Russia by China, provided that our military potential is maintained at the proper level, means mutual funerals for all of us, but the West, if it remains neutral at the end, just chooses who it finishes or finishes both, again get rich like in the Great Patriotic War. 100 years will merge into the toilet in a day) I think the Chinese leadership simply can’t understand this situation, it is obvious. These are not their methods, I think that expansion is quiet, yes, and even then the Far East is not warm China, the region is harsh and it takes a lot of money to raise it . Most likely, China will try to bite off everything that is smaller and look at the poles, where there are still many resources that are just going to be shared. And China’s stability is not so strong and it’s not so easy to wage a world war, given the mass of its population , in such a war, the population may become redundant, and feed the nuka, but arming ... everything is not so simple as before not throwing hats.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 19 October 2013 16: 36
      0
      Quote: EGORKA
      The outbreak of war with Russia by China, provided that our military potential remains at the proper level, means mutual funerals for us all

      When our rulers from the "ruble" and the cooperative "Ozero" face the fact of giving up Eastern Siberia and the Far East and continuing their luxurious life or heroically perishing in an atomic fire, their choice will not be difficult to predict. But it won't come to that, it will be like in Tajikistan.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 19 October 2013 17: 45
        +1
        Quote: Nayhas
        to give Eastern Siberia and the Far East and continue to live a luxurious life or die heroically in a nuclear fire, their choice will not be difficult to predict.

        The only question is how they will be able to continue this luxurious life without Siberian oil, nickel, diamonds, etc., so that our oligarchs will give their feeders to the Chinese ...
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 19 October 2013 19: 15
          0
          Quote: Albert1988
          The only question is how they can continue this luxurious life without Siberian oil, nickel, diamonds, etc.

          You didn’t understand that they have reserves for a luxurious life, only when the choice arises to lose part of the income, stay alive and continue to milk the country (Russia is not rich in Eastern Siberia and Far East) or lose everything together with their precious life, they will choose the least evil...
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 19 October 2013 19: 52
            +1
            Yes, the fact of the matter is that if half of Russia falls off, it will turn into such a catastrophe that the entire economy will collapse, the ruble will generally depreciate, etc., but about how many "reserves" are enough - ask now the late Boris Abramovich - he didn't have much. And then it all depends on who will rule the country in the 2060s, just compare Russia in 1913 and 1960 - these are two completely different countries! And with completely different influence on world politics, so the stories of this Chinese about what will happen there in 50 years are just bullshit, forgive me))))
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 19 October 2013 17: 40
      +1
      Quote: EGORKA
      The West, if it remains neutral at the end, simply chooses who it finishes or finishes both, again to be hunted as the states enriched in the Second World War

      Egor, which West?
      Lesbians and fagots have no children.
      By 2060, Vietnamese, Arabs, Blacks and Turks will live in the West.
      They will not beat anyone, they will have their own problems in bulk, where to put the elderly homosexuals of the Euros?
  49. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 19 October 2013 14: 46
    +3
    ... let the enemies remember this,
    We do not threaten, but we say
    We passed, half the world passed with you,
    If necessary, we repeat ...

    Hitler also planned to celebrate the New Year in Moscow, and at the beginning of December he would be pissed off with rags, and in physics near Vyazma. God forbid that China with its broken kidneys at the 1st stage of the war with Taiwan would stop writing blood by 2055. And then, genetics is a tricky matter. My mother is Belarusan, my dad is Siberian, my wife is Ukrainian, and of course I am Russian, and the Chinese plague does not affect me, and you know it is transmitted quickly, especially in a large concentration of Chinese troops in tank-dangerous areas of our vast country; )
  50. sha20289145
    sha20289145 19 October 2013 14: 54
    +2
    Schedule 50 wars for 6 years, nothing more than a fantasy. The history of wars shows that the "one-on-one" formula does not work, and turns war into a "cauldron" with unpredictable consequences. The author of an article with a clearly linear mindset. In the next 50 years everything will happen as it should happen in the self-regulation of the world system.