"Fights" in the foothills of the Alagyaz

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To serve and comprehend the "science of victory" by servicemen of the 102 Russian military base stationed in the Republic of Armenia falls in the highlands.

Here you are not plain ...

The Gyumrinsky station of permanent dislocation "Big Fortress" with a number of adjacent military camps is located at an altitude of one and a half thousand meters above sea level. In the 12 kilometers west of the FPD, there is a “lower” Kamhud training complex with a drop in mountain heights to 1.840 meters. The “upper” training complex “Alagyaz” is located in 70 kilometers north-west of Gyumri. Its working heights for motorized infantry units reach the 2.280 mark of meters.

However, this is not the limit. By appropriate agreement, Russian military intelligence officers and snipers improve their skills, including at the Pambak high-altitude training ground of Armenia, where they have to hone their skills at altitudes up to 2.800 meters above sea level.

But the Alagyaz training complex is considered the main component for the training of the RSV contingent. Large areas of it allow, without inconvenience for the local population, to use dozens of weapons and combat equipment in the process of combat training, from the Kalashnikov assault rifle to the gun rocket installations.

Judging by the responses of our soldiers and officers, for mountain training and in the interests of developing professional skills in the conditions of the extreme terrain of the foothills of the Alagyaz is the best area. There is no other such on the territory of the Central Russian Upland, from which, in fact, the main contingent of Russian servicemen arrives, cannot be found. Therefore, sharing impressions about the conditions of combat training, my interlocutors involuntarily turned to the experience of combat work at Russian training grounds that they had involuntarily. At the same time, they added that the skill acquired in Alagyaz in their further service in the territory of Russia would be really expensive ...

According to the commander of the tank platoon of Senior Lieutenant Andrei Nikishin, here, in the conditions of the Armenian mountains, experienced commanders perceive the level of training of the contingent arriving in the RVB structure, if tactfully expressed, to be condescending. And this is despite the fact that not new recruits are sent to the staff of the 102 military base, but variable military personnel who had not only received proper military education in training centers, but after graduation served to serve a month or two in linear units of combat units.

“All this in no way detracts from the professional skills that were obtained by soldiers of military service before arriving at us,” makes addition the first lieutenant Nikishin. - Just gained in the mountains the experience of performing maneuvers, finding targets, conducting combat, etc. It differs significantly from similar tasks that are worked out on flat terrain.

In confirmation of his words, the officer gave the following example:
- Take the simplest - the stage of landing crews in combat vehicles. On an ordinary Russian director, this element does not cause excessive physical exertion, for example, among tankers. But in the conditions of the highlands, the servicemen reach the fighting vehicles and feel: that’s all, there is not enough breath. And then a new team: “To battle!” I managed to catch my breath, no, but I had to mobilize again, overcoming fatigue, getting up on armor, taking a place in the fighting compartment and starting working out the combat training task. It is clear that such a tension of forces affects the emotional state of military personnel. And from what it will be at the time of entry into the "battle", directly depends on the result of the fire mission, training exercises for driving.

It’s hard to disagree. Especially when the training exercise just mentioned is carried out nearby tank crews. However, referring to the platoon commander, I note that the faces of his subordinates "do not talk" about the experienced overloads.

“You just observe the stage of training the personnel at the final stage of the training period,” explains Andrei Nikishin. - These crews served in the highlands for five months. They have already adapted. In addition, months of active training, as they say, are not in vain. Not only that physical training for us is one of the main academic disciplines. My tankers get dosed physical exertion during the whole working day: running, catching up on the crossbar, doing a series of push-ups when moving to the next place of employment is already the norm for them. The path to the dining room runs through the horizontal bar. Throw a bullet-proof vest over sportswear during the period of mass sports work - as a matter of course. It is in such conditions that endurance appears in those who serve in the mountains ...

To this, it is worth adding that a competent combination of physical exertion with intense combat training ultimately gives the very desired result. As it turned out, tankers devote practical classes in Alagyaz to two weeks per month. 50 percent of the tasks being worked out falls on the dark time of the day. Every second lesson - with elements of fire training.

Plus, the subordinates of Senior Lieutenant Nikishin, by the end of their service life as part of the RVB, the assigned combat vehicles already know, according to the interlocutor, "fifty to sixty percent."

“That's because,” the officer says, “that we have no one to rely on.” Routine maintenance of tanks, elimination of problems arising in conditions of mountainous terrain, have to be performed by ourselves. We do not take care of technical outsourcing. Representatives of manufacturers of military equipment to us, abroad, do not come. As a result, we are accustomed to be guided by the words: “If not yourself, then who?”

When the soil is like sandpaper

By the way, a little about the use of technology in the very conditions of the highlands. The head of the technical support department of the 102 military base, Lieutenant Colonel Vyacheslav Panov, notes:

- One of the most serious problems is the operational wear of equipment. On landfills - the hardest soil. Solid skalnik. Take the same driving route for combat vehicles. The length of the route - 5 kilometers. Along all the broken track in this "soil" - stones, fragments of rocky soil and boulders. And the rut itself is like a stone sandpaper. Caterpillars, skating rinks, and torsion bars of combat vehicles undergo tremendous dynamic loads while moving on it ...

Lieutenant Colonel Panov did not exaggerate at all. For the sake of a couple of shots from the driving route, it was possible to personally experience the entire rigidity of the five-kilometer Alagyaz distance. On the particularly stony sections of the driving route, there was a feeling that the BMP chassis had now and then stumbled upon poles concreted into the ground.

I could not resist at the finish, asked the motorized riflemen the question that arose during the trip: “You didn’t think to clear the stone driving route at least once?” The answer was discouraged by its sense of purpose: “Why? To simplify your own task ?! ”

But the stones on the track, as it turned out, were still half the problem. The driving route is laid out in such a way that it is not possible to find an analogue for him at Russian polygons either. Not only that here rises alternately alternate with descents, so right in the process of climbing skyscrapers you have to make sharp turns, on unexpectedly opening descents almost immediately turn left or right at ninety or even more degrees! And where practically next there are obstacles of “breakdown” - a passage in a mine-explosive barrier and a track-bridge. Similar route elements are in the chain of any standard route for practical driving instruction. But just like that, right on the way down ...

Moreover, on Alagyaz, restrictive landmarks are often not the usual poles with flags, but natural boulders, which, having failed to cope with the control of a multi-ton combat vehicle, will not go off.

According to the officers - commanders of the motorized rifle and tank units of the 102 military base, on the Alagyaz highway especially goes to those driver mechanics whose service falls on the winter months. As it is known, in cold weather, the contact of the caterpillars with the ground is already fragile, and on the slippery stone “substrate” it is completely insignificant. Heads at the training places are forced every time to remind the participants of the race to keep the distance during the descents in case of a possible skid.

But what is surprising. Drivers, who had a chance to talk with, argued that the mountain driving route is much more interesting than the plains. In turn, the unit commanders note that by the end of their service in Armenia, the majority of conscripts perform a test driving exercise with a very decent result. Moreover, there are frequent examples when drivers ask for passing the exam for the next grade level exactly on the Alagyaz highway. In such cases, the commanders try not to refuse, regretting only that such trained specialists in Russia are not waiting for the continuation of their work activities and the transfer of practical experience to young servicemen, but to transfer to the reserve after the conscription period ...

Yourself a mechanic

However, the subject of increased wear of the undercarriage is, according to Lieutenant Colonel Panov, only part of the issue.

“In the conditions of Russian polygons, one practically does not have to deal with such, for example, a problem as prolonged loads on the power plants of combat vehicles due to the complexity of the terrain,” the source develops the theme. - But in the mountains - it is an integral "option." At altitudes, the vehicle suffocates from lack of oxygen. Engines work with a large overload, in fact, for wear.

The officer gave this example. During the multi-kilometer march at the Alagyaz UTK armored columns climb the mountain almost 1.000 additional meters. Not only that their way to the place of upcoming classes runs in the range of heights from 2.300 to 2.700 meters, there is another area where a long climb stretches for two dozen kilometers. It remains only to note the endurance of domestic combat vehicles, operated in the mode of such extreme overloads.

Not surprisingly, in such conditions, the command of the 102 military base pays close attention to the professional training of the remrota specialists and the battalion technical support units, which have all the necessary repair facilities available to provide technical assistance even on the ground, when in conditions of mountains the evacuation of a combat vehicle does not appear possible. Vyacheslav Panov explains that having technical assistance units equipped with small repair and recovery complexes as part of the base is a forced measure. After all, the majority of driver-mechanics are conscripts with little experience in the practical use and maintenance of combat vehicles by military standards. At the same time, the training program for specialists in combat specialties as part of the 102 th RSB is too concise and intensive to take their attention “on the full program” to ensure the combat-training process.

And yet a positive point in the technical training of the driver’s staff is definitely present. The rotational system of the personnel of the Armed Forces has developed so that the stages of transfer of weapons and equipment to the seasonal mode of operation occur with the participation of both compositions: the decreasing and the new arrivals. This allows you to maintain the principle of continuity of generations and the transfer of experience. Especially in the part concerning the operation and maintenance of engineering equipment. Its wear on the rocky-stony soils of Alagyaz and Kamhud is enormous. And not only in the summer.

“In winter, without preliminary work of engineering vehicles on firing directions, driving routes there is nothing to do,” the officers of the divisions explained. - There is so much snow that, sometimes, the BMP will not break through.

In confirmation, they paid attention to the two-meter concrete fence of the field camp. The thickness of the snow cover, they say, is such that along it, through the fence of the path, they tread ...

However, the complexity of the mountain soil professional impulse of engineers of the military troops of the military base does not hold back. With their participation at the Alagyaz training center, in the interests of the process of combat training of motorized riflemen, a battalion fortification point was equipped. On Kamhud - two more strong points. But the unit commanders do not rush to create “entirely civilized conditions for battle” at landfills, bearing in mind that in a real situation the operational equipment in the stony layers of good-quality trench galleries is unlikely to be time. Therefore, within the framework of tactical training, the themes of the active use of the so-called natural resource have become part of the practice - when numerous folds of erection made of stone parastrokes are used as shelters for personnel. In the midst of personnel, it is quickly becoming the norm to perfectly know the rules of disguise in open territory.
Not only.

Attacking mountains

"If you want to leave the battlefield the winner, learn to shoot straight." This rule has been heard more than once in Alagyaz from motorized riflemen, tankers, mortar gunners, and even "Reactants." It would seem a hackneyed interpretation. But not for those who study combat in mountain conditions.

“Everything is different here,” notes the commander of a motorized rifle company, Senior Lieutenant Mikhail Khaliman. - It seems, here it is, the goal in front of you. But without proper practice, you will not get from the first shot. You'll miss it from the fifth. Because in the mountains, not only distance is deceptive. The whole list of accompanying factors makes its adjustments to the shooting calculations: gusty wind, atmospheric pressure of high mountains, ascending heat fluxes. And our goals are located where the enemy can actually be - at the very foot of the heights, on the ascending mountain slopes. In the crevices, among the stones. In tactical terms, working out the tasks of countering the enemy is cultivated both from the bottom up, from the foot up the mountain, and from the top down. If possible, we work on rocky terrain, mastering the basics of climbing. Moreover, in our business, the study of success theory alone will not be achieved. In fire training, we train motorized infantry. In a few days, we give a capacious theoretical part in the RPM, and spend the rest of the time in the firing camp. Rifle - practice day and night. Then again in the PDP, a brief analysis of actions, the repetition of the theory, and back to the test site ...

“Plus, active physical training,” adds the commander of the grenade launcher platoon, Senior Lieutenant Andrei Zyuzik. - Without this, we can not do. For the grenade launcher, endurance is comparable to the level of training in fire training. Especially here in the mountains. Moving with AGS-17 on the shoulders at high altitudes is quite difficult. Therefore, seven-kilometer marches on foot, with full armament, are already for us as a training norm ... When I return to my duty station in Russia, I will definitely keep the principle of additional physical training for my rocket launchers. Even in the program of training specialists I will pay more attention to such moments as the firing of a hinged trajectory at closed firing positions. Only here, “attacking” the mountains, I realized the importance of comprehensive preparation of our profile fighter: if the current situation does not require skills in particular elements today, this does not mean that the conditions of the battle will not create a precedent tomorrow.

... here the climate is different

“Add to this the skills of moving in a very rough terrain, operational deployment of firing positions and target reconnaissance in conditions of unpredictable weather behavior in the mountains,” notes Lieutenant Roman Shkinyov, commander of an artillery battery control platoon of the jet-artillery battalion. - And a special emphasis should be placed on the last moment. On the mountainside it is quite difficult to choose landmarks. It is necessary either to look carefully and for a long time for what the eye can “catch on”, or to show imagination, endowing certain elements of the relief with images that everyone can understand - the hill “striped”, “the hump of a whale”, “cat's tail”. In this case, it is necessary to have time to choose the points of aiming of weapons. Slightly delayed, and all the “bindings” will hide nowhere the fog that came from, the rain that broke out, the twilight quickly gathering in the mountains, or the heat-induced haze, when the target “floats” even in observation devices. If you didn’t have time - waste time moving towards the depth of the range, closer to the target, or change the firing position, moving along the front.

Roman Shkinev teaches subordinates to act in just such a temporary “context”, teaches to have time to solve combat training tasks during periods of initially falling weather corridors. In this case, the officer emotionally notes:

- Surprisingly, the staff liked such cocky conditions of service. They rush to practice in the mountains. More and more often they are witty in the field, more intuitively approach the process of combat training ...

To the question to the interlocutors: “What is missing here in the mountains in terms of combat training?”, Only the commander of a tank company, captain Artem Danchin, thought, recalled:

- It’s a pity there is no possibility to organize classes in underwater driving of tanks in the mountains. Because of this, we have to assume that the training of the combat training program is not fully in progress. But we are more than compensating for the missing topic of training with practical driving and fire training, which in the end does not allow us to doubt the excellent skills of tank crews returning to Russia.
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  1. +3
    19 October 2013 08: 01
    "Fights" in the foothills of the Alagyaz

    I understand that Armenians are irritated by the Turkic word Alagyoz and they decided to change it. Then let them use the Armenian name Aragats, otherwise it was Alagyoz all my life and suddenly...
    In the Turkic name of the mountain - Alagyoz - ala - “motley” and gueuze - literally “eye”, in the toponyms “source, stream” or “pass, low place in the ridge of mountains, saddle” (Murzaev, 1984) - meanings that are not the most suitable for the highest point of Transcaucasia. But the local term alagyoz, recorded in the north of Azerbaijan - “land with white spots” (Yuzbashev, Nuriev, 1984) well characterizes Alagyoz with its small glaciers.
    1. +3
      19 October 2013 09: 21
      Then you will have to rename almost everything.... I could give dozens of examples, but I don’t want to upset the s...h. Nothing surprising, the lands of the Erivan KHANATE...
      1. +2
        19 October 2013 09: 47
        Quote: xetai9977
        Nothing surprising, the lands of the Erivan KHANATE...

        This has nothing to do with it - these are primordially Armenian lands. It’s just that 20 years ago they called it Alagyoz, and now Alagyaz.
        1. -4
          19 October 2013 10: 20
          "original Armenian lands" with Turkic names... well, well... laughing laughing
          1. -4
            19 October 2013 11: 20
            Quote: xetai9977
            "original Armenian lands" with Turkic names... well, well... laughing laughing

            Aragats is clearly visible from Turkey and that’s why it was named.
            1. +2
              19 October 2013 11: 28
              It’s clear to me, professor, that “Armenophileism” suddenly appeared in you after the worsening of relations with Turkey. But in vain. Turkey was the only one that accepted Jews during the persecution of them in the Middle Ages.... Politics is momentary. You should not forget about the murdered Jews in Guba, when the Dashnaks slaughtered thousands of Jews.
              1. +1
                19 October 2013 11: 37
                On September 18 of this year, Ilham Aliyev took part in the opening of the genocide memorial complex in the city of Cuba. The memorial complex was erected on the site where a mass grave of people was “discovered” on April 11, 2007. It is no coincidence that we put the word “discovered” in quotation marks, because we “found” this deposit immediately after Ilham Aliyev’s decree ordering Azerbaijani scientists to find “evidence of the genocide of Azerbaijanis committed by Armenians.”

                So, on April 11, Ilham Aliyev’s order was carried out, and already on April 13, the director of the Institute of Archeology and Ethnography of the Azerbaijan Academy of Sciences, Professor Maisa Rahimova, issued a shocking phrase: “Anthropological research has confirmed that these people are Muslims.” Leaving aside the blatant ignorance of the professor, who determines religious affiliation by anthropological research, let us pay attention to the involuntary recognition - “confirmed.” Maisa Mamedova reported to the president of the state: the task was completed.
                The “discovered” burials were turned into an instrument of political speculation, during which “anthropological Muslims” (read: Azerbaijanis) repeatedly “changed” their nationality and faith. For external propaganda, “anthropological Muslims” were portrayed as Jews: Azerbaijan even published a book in Israel that tells about the Cuban burial of Jews killed by Armenians. Baku propaganda, aimed at domestic consumption, depicts the victims - the Transcaucasian Turks, and in the Lezgin regions of Azerbaijan talks about the “atrocities of the Armenians” against the Lezgins indigenous to the region. Baku attaches particular importance to the latter circumstance, given the increasingly growing ethnic self-awareness of the Lezgins and the reviving Lezgin-Armenian friendship.

                I note that the Azerbaijani historian, Doctor of Science Solmaz Rustamova-Togidi initially convincingly refuted the version that the found remains belonged to Jews, but after the “political expediency” of this version was explained to her, she just as decisively renounced her words. None of the Azerbaijani scientists dared to speak out against the state propaganda program, and the discovered remains continued the regular change of faith and nationality.

                The irrepressible zeal of Azerbaijan aroused among people a genuine interest in the events of the early twentieth century, which was unwanted for Baku. Thus, the famous Lezgin public figure Vagif Kerimov wrote several articles on this topic, in which, relying on ethnic memory and historical documents, he argued that the Armenians could not slaughter the Lezgins. “If, for example, 500 or more years had passed since the events described, I would not speak confidently about this. But for 90 years, our people could not forget a tragedy of this magnitude, so I perceive the propaganda of Cuban burials as a gross provocation,” says V. Kerimov.
                1. smersh70
                  -5
                  19 October 2013 13: 04
                  Quote: genisis
                  genuine interest in the events of the early twentieth century.

                  You better look at what they are doing to your monuments on the territory of the base... smile
                  During practical actions, the scouts captured a camouflaged command post located in one of the fortified forts of the so-called “Great Fortress” (Gyumri), which from the beginning of the XNUMXth century to this day has been the point of permanent deployment of Russian troops in Transcaucasia.
              2. +4
                19 October 2013 11: 40
                Quote: xetai9977
                It’s clear to me, professor, that “Armenophileism” suddenly appeared in you after the worsening of relations with Turkey.

                You are a psychologist... I was born in Azerbaijan and grew up in Armenia. I know both yours and the Armenians like crazy.

                Quote: xetai9977
                Türkiye was the only one that accepted Jews during the persecution of them in the Middle Ages....

                Just don’t start, otherwise I’ll start posting materials about how Jews lived under Ottoman rule and how the Turks were friends with Hitler.

                Quote: xetai9977
                Politics is momentary.

                And the memory is eternal. You tell Erdogan when he decided to betray his ally for the sake of “momentary politics” and handed over Mossad agents to Iran.

                Quote: xetai9977
                You should not forget about the murdered Jews in Guba, when the Dashnaks slaughtered thousands of Jews.

                Are you now proposing to slaughter 1000 Armenians in Jerusalem?
                1. +1
                  19 October 2013 11: 47
                  Unlike you, I will not say about ALL Jews that they are peeling. Firstly, my upbringing does not allow it, and secondly, I personally know many Jews here, they are normal people, and they have no intention of leaving for any Israel. Taking the side of those who massacred thousands of your relatives is called by the same word among all peoples.....
                  1. +3
                    19 October 2013 11: 51
                    Quote: xetai9977
                    Unlike you, I will not say about ALL Jews that they are peeling. Firstly, my upbringing does not allow it, and secondly, I personally know many Jews here, they are normal people, and they have no intention of leaving for any Israel. Taking the side of those who massacred thousands of your relatives is called by the same word among all peoples.....

                    Let me paraphrase your same phrase and you will see how bad it makes you smell (it stinks):
                    Unlike you, I will not say about ALL Azerbaijanis that they are peeling. Firstly, my upbringing does not allow it, and secondly, I personally know many Azerbaijanis here, they are normal people, and they do not intend to leave for any Azerbaijan. Taking the side of those who massacred thousands of your relatives is called by the same word among all peoples.....

                    If I were you, I wouldn’t remember the massacre. Any hint why?
                  2. 0
                    19 October 2013 15: 31
                    National HERO of Azerbaijan Albert Agarunov. The glorious son of the Jewish people died fighting the Armenian invaders
                    1. +3
                      19 October 2013 17: 34
                      xetai9977 Cry, cry... laughing
                2. Gooch v. 2
                  +3
                  19 October 2013 11: 54
                  Quote: professor
                  Just don’t start, otherwise I’ll start posting materials about how Jews lived under Ottoman rule and how the Turks were friends with Hitler.

                  You are a strange citizen, and you remembered the Ottoman Power, and Hitler, and LojoThe Holocaust, and Erdogan. This does not prevent your beloved Armenia from collaborating with your beloved Iran.


                  Iran's allies in the region can be counted on one hand, and Armenia is not the last among them.
                  1. +4
                    19 October 2013 12: 01
                    Quote: Gooch v.2
                    You are a strange citizen, and you remembered the Ottoman Power, and Hitler, and the Holocaust, and Erdogan

                    I forgive you for the first time about the catastrophe of European Jewry.

                    Quote: Gooch v.2
                    Iran's allies in the region can be counted on one hand, and Armenia is not the last among them.

                    Do you see in my words a justification for Armenia?
                    1. Gooch v. 2
                      0
                      19 October 2013 12: 08
                      Quote: professor
                      Do you see in my words a justification for Armenia?

                      Well, what are you saying, no way. ) I just had a slight suspicion that the Armenians, along with the Jews, are the only two peoples who in the 20th century suffered, let’s say, well-known examples of genocide, and it seemed to me that in the Armenians you find brothers in misfortune, it’s not for nothing that there is an expression, Armenians are Jews of the Middle East . )
                      1. +5
                        19 October 2013 12: 27
                        Quote: Gooch v.2
                        Well, what are you saying, no way. ) I just had a slight suspicion that the Armenians, along with the Jews, are the only two peoples who in the 20th century suffered, let’s say, well-known examples of genocide, and it seemed to me that in the Armenians you find brothers in misfortune, it’s not for nothing that there is an expression, Armenians are Jews of the Middle East . )

                        I have nothing personal against Armenians and Azerbaijanis; I cannot say the same about the policies of their states. The fact that the Armenians were subjected to unprecedented massacres at that time is also a fact, although not related to the topic under discussion.
                      2. +1
                        19 October 2013 12: 42
                        Quote: professor
                        The fact that the Armenians were subjected to unprecedented massacres at that time is also a fact, although not related to the topic under discussion.


                        But in reality, how many Armenians were slaughtered?

                        And how many Muslims did they slaughter?
                      3. +3
                        19 October 2013 17: 37
                        ayyildiz Death to the Turks and their peoples wink And how many Russians and Armenians you slaughtered in the late 80s for jobs, having come down from the mountains, but of course, the Russians and Armenians had salaries, envy smile
                      4. smersh70
                        0
                        19 October 2013 17: 57
                        Quote: Marrying
                        but of course, Russians and Armenians had salaries,

                        wow)) Good evening, Zhenya.. in the morning you were replaced by the sunrise)) there will be a debate until the morning)))) for your information, in the USSR, everyone’s salaries were the same laughing it was not written in the USSR budget that Russians and Armenians should be given double salaries)))))))
                        Quote: Marrying
                        And how many Russians and Armenians did you massacre in the late 80s for jobs?

                        don’t repeat yourself...they told you to compare how many Russians are left in Armenia and here...and they also invited you to come to us...come and see everything with your own eyes...
                      5. +1
                        19 October 2013 18: 10
                        Good evening hi I explained everything in my letter to you. And you are absolutely right, not for salaries, but for jobs.
                      6. -1
                        19 October 2013 18: 25
                        Quote: Marrying
                        How many Russians and Armenians did you slaughter in the late 80s?

                        Where, when in the 90s, thanks to the Turks, many people found work for themselves, don’t forget! wink
                      7. +2
                        19 October 2013 18: 31
                        Work in exchange for genocide? Bah! There are no words smile
                  2. smersh70
                    +1
                    19 October 2013 12: 02
                    Quote: Gooch v.2
                    This does not prevent your beloved Armenia from cooperating with your beloved Iran

                    ..Gooch is on fire as always laughing Hello!!!!!!it will give such a blow to the puff that you won’t be able to get away with it)))))) I laid out such an argument drinks hi
                3. +4
                  19 October 2013 12: 17
                  Quote: professor
                  And the memory is eternal. You tell Erdogan when he decided to betray his ally for the sake of “momentary politics” and handed over Mossad agents to Iran.


                  Who wrote the article about 10 Mossad agents?
                  1. 0
                    19 October 2013 12: 28
                    Quote: ayyildiz
                    Who wrote the article about 10 Mossad agents?

                    Dani Yatom confirmed that this is enough.
                    1. +2
                      19 October 2013 12: 35
                      According to the Israel Manufacturers Association, Israeli exports to Turkey have increased by approximately 2009% since 60, to $1,5 billion, and Turkish exports have increased by 40% to almost $2 billion.


                      David Ignatius threw this theory into the middle! We all know who he is!
                      1. +3
                        19 October 2013 13: 06
                        Quote: ayyildiz
                        !We all know who he is!

                        I know who Dani Yatom is.
              3. +7
                19 October 2013 12: 05
                Quote: xetai9977
                It’s clear to me, professor, that “Armenophileism” suddenly appeared in you after the worsening of relations with Turkey. But in vain. Turkey was the only one that accepted Jews during the persecution of them in the Middle Ages.... Politics is momentary. You should not forget about the murdered Jews in Guba, when the Dashnaks slaughtered thousands of Jews.

                Well, I haven’t noticed any particular Armenophilia in Israel. Moreover, my relatives and all the Jews I know, both Ashkenazi and Tat, who repatriated to Israel in the early 90s are definitely on the side of the Azerbaijanis. I personally cannot understand the reason for such unanimity. For my father, for example, even from the time of his service in the Sakhalin border detachment, had an Armenian best friend. They were friends for almost 30 years, until the unexpected death of Uncle Ruben. It was a very hard blow for my father. And my Baku relatives simply adore Azerbaijanis. In short, this is your showdown.
                1. +3
                  19 October 2013 12: 12
                  Respect to you Aron! I personally have not seen a single Jew who broke bread with us and then lost it. I communicate with many of them through social networks, and I constantly hear only the warmest words addressed to my country. And for some reason your compatriot declared himself an expert on history and started talking about “...the ancestral lands”...
        2. smersh70
          +3
          19 October 2013 11: 00
          PROFESSOR, I beg you.....let's better express our opinions about Merkavas and special forces...you do better there...... wassat laughing don’t meddle in your own topics.....there’s nothing to do on Saturday or something.... laughing
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            1. smersh70
              +2
              19 October 2013 11: 45
              Quote: professor
              I will teach my wife how to cook cabbage soup

              choose expressions... am ..don’t interfere with your family.....if there are problems..then deal with me...otherwise you have learned to see only women and children in the enemy...and this is no training for you...and you are not a sergeant, and you are not my spirit....it's just a wish......
              1. +3
                19 October 2013 11: 48
                Quote: smersh70
                Quote: professor
                I will teach my wife how to cook cabbage soup

                choose expressions... am ..don’t interfere with your family.....if there are problems..then deal with me...otherwise you have learned to see only women and children in the enemy...and this is no training for you...and you are not a sergeant, and you are not my spirit....it's just a wish......

                I repeat, you will “poke” and be rude to your wife, but cultured people have gathered here.
                Am I explaining it clearly?
                1. donchepano
                  +1
                  19 October 2013 12: 46
                  Quote: professor
                  cultured people have gathered here.


                  This is when cultured people in society suddenly began to show such vile and long tongues at each other, inappropriately and not very well?!
                  Although you can’t expect anything better than this from those who consider themselves the smartest on the planet))
                  Thank you for not spitting on the Internet yet! ))
                  1. +4
                    19 October 2013 12: 55
                    I just looked, you have zero publications on the site, “Professor” has 410. Maybe we’ll judge him by this criterion, and not by his avatar?

                    By the way, do you even know who is sticking out that “disgusting and long tongue” at her?
                    1. 0
                      19 October 2013 13: 56
                      Quote: Spade
                      I just looked, you have zero publications on your website, “Professor” has 410.

                      And how many people did he “bring” to the point of a bathhouse? fellow
                      1. 0
                        19 October 2013 15: 07
                        The professor knows the technique well, there are no words, but cultured people will not take it out on someone’s family because someone was rude to him. If you did not like the treatment of the mersh, then address your complaints to him personally, and do not involve your family in this.
                  2. smersh70
                    +1
                    19 October 2013 13: 17
                    Quote: donchepano
                    Thank you for not spitting on the Internet yet! ))

                    laughing good cool.made me laugh drinks
              2. +6
                19 October 2013 11: 50
                Quote: smersh70
                otherwise they learned to see only women and children in the enemy

                That's right. Zionists are like that. They also feed Palestinians to robots. Info 100%, I even have a photo.
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            1. +7
              19 October 2013 13: 11
              Quote: donchepano
              Just look at Vurgun's avatar and everything will become clear...
              Such “professors” are only masters of showing languages))

              There is nothing to cover. Based on the cover, we determine the content of the book, and of course, we get personal. fool
            2. +7
              19 October 2013 14: 38
              donchepano
              Your assessment of the Professor’s capabilities based on his avatar clearly illustrates your intellectual level...it would probably be better for you to stick your tongue out at the monitor screen than to write comments - there would be a chance you wouldn’t goof off...:)))
      2. +5
        19 October 2013 10: 01
        Why write if you don’t want to arrange s..ch. The Erivan Khanate is a fief formed in 1604 on the territory of Eastern Armenia, as part of the Persian state. Here is a map of the settlement of Armenians before the Turkic conquest.
        1. 0
          19 October 2013 10: 37
          What was the name of your “Persian state”? That's right, the Safavid Empire, where the official language was Turkic....
          1. +1
            19 October 2013 17: 41
            xetai9977"Empire" in what place? Ah, well, probably all you have is an empire.... The Roman Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, the Russian Empire.... The Byzantine... that's an empire, stop writing your distorted history here wink
        2. smersh70
          -1
          19 October 2013 11: 01
          Quote: Orik
          Here is a map of the settlement of Armenians before the Turkic conquest.

          Why is it so small? wassat come on, include the entire North Caucasus... and the Caspian lands... and you will have a great Armenia.......
          1. +2
            19 October 2013 15: 06
            smersh70
            Do they also have ideas about Greater Armenia? If there is, please enlighten me - I’m really interested. Just please don't give out propaganda materials, okay?
            Or is Greater Armenia the lands that the Ottomans captured?
            By the way, is Great Armenia worse than Great Turan? If yes, then with what?
            1. smersh70
              -2
              19 October 2013 15: 43
              Quote: smile
              What, they also have ideas about Greater Armenia?

              What are you talking about, they are thinking day and night about how to give all the lands of the Armenians to the Turks and Azerbaijanis laughing http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/index.php#n9 прочитаете на досуге..там масса документов...статей...
              Quote: smile
              Or is Greater Armenia the lands that the Ottomans captured?

              there is one visitor here - look at his photo - just a map of great Armenia... Armenian strength - his nickname
              Quote: smile
              Great Turan?

              and who are his followers here, I apologize for asking.... I don’t belong to this category.....
    2. smersh70
      +2
      19 October 2013 12: 58
      Quote: professor
      Then let them use the Armenian name Aragats, otherwise it was Alagyoz all my life and suddenly...

      I don’t understand...where is Voskepar looking...even Ararat has been capitalized fellow
    3. +3
      19 October 2013 13: 02
      Alatau (Kuznetsky) from Turkic Motley Mountains (in autumn this name becomes clear). I would translate - Mountains that dazzle your eyes.
    4. combatpilot
      +4
      19 October 2013 16: 10
      In Armenia, no one calls Mount Alagez. Aragats - period!
  2. +1
    19 October 2013 09: 40
    Quote: xetai9977
    Then you will have to rename almost everything.... I could give dozens of examples, but I don’t want to upset the s...h. Nothing surprising, the lands of the Erivan KHANATE...

    Following your logic, the cities of Masquabad, Tel-Petersburg should appear further on the list...
    1. +3
      19 October 2013 10: 24
      No one can know the future... By the way. "tel" stone in whose garden?
      1. essenger
        +10
        19 October 2013 10: 26
        Quote: xetai9977
        By the way. "tel" stone in whose garden?

        to all Zionists soldier
        1. +5
          19 October 2013 10: 30
          Essenger, for them “Zionists” are almost all Jews...
  3. +6
    19 October 2013 10: 48
    He served in those parts in the second half of the 80s... What’s interesting is that units of the 128th Motorized Rifle Division stationed in what was then Leninakan (now Gyumri) at the place of deployment in everyday life bore names inherited from tsarist times - Seversky Regiment, Kabardinsky Regiment, Cossack Post, etc. d. Polygon (UC) Alagez is really very difficult, especially in winter... In general, good luck to everyone who is currently serving there...
    1. +3
      19 October 2013 11: 27
      Now Russian troops are concentrated in the fortress, and families are in the Polygon area. Only air defense soldiers remained at the Cossack post, and they live in the unit’s location.

      PS
      Akhalkalaki was difficult, and in winter it was a total disaster. Alagöz is IMHO simpler.
  4. Voskepar
    +1
    19 October 2013 10: 53
    In this clip, everyone seemed to show how the base in Armenia lives.
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    2. Gooch v. 2
      +2
      19 October 2013 11: 07
      Quote: Voskepar
      In this clip, everyone seemed to show how the base in Armenia lives.

      comments on the video are delivered)

      Z.Y Vanguy, that right now the Armenians and ethnic reots will come running from Russia, and will start talking about the fact that this is a provocateur, a narrow-minded person, or, at worst, an Azerbaijani who is fiercely inciting the conflict between Russians and Armenians)
      1. Yarbay
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        19 October 2013 11: 16
        Quote: Gooch v.2

        Z.Y Vanguy, that right now the Armenians and ethnic reots will come running from Russia, and will start talking about the fact that this is a provocateur, a narrow-minded person, or, at worst, an Azerbaijani who is fiercely inciting the conflict between Russians and Armenians)

        eto tocho))))
        i uje daje neinteresno tut sovsem))))))
      2. +5
        19 October 2013 15: 38
        Gooch v. 2
        Have you noticed? What do people of your nationality usually run into? I’m very glad, by the way, that not all of you have damaged pride (I wonder how you reproduce, infringed by budding, or what?)... or whatever we pinched you there - Azerbaijanis are usually normal men. Fortunately, nationalist rot has not penetrated deeply; fortunately for the Azerbaijani people, there are not many people like you there... and that’s good, since people like you have no future, it would be a pity if people like you were dragged into the trash heap the entire Azerbaijani people.
        And yes - I’ll start saying that you are a narrow-minded person who wants to spit in the direction of Russia... why do you need this - I don’t care - I don’t care what disease you have. :)))
    3. smersh70
      0
      19 October 2013 13: 08
      Quote: Voskepar
      In this clip, everyone seemed to show how the base in Armenia lives.


      boxes, equipment and roof of 102 base in Gyumri...
      1. +6
        19 October 2013 15: 48
        smersh70
        Yes, yes, yes, it was because of the leaky roofs that the Turks, starting all their wars of conquest, clashed with the Russians.... defeated them completely! :))). Where are we from the great warriors of the sublunary World:)))
        Also, I dare say, the fact that the Azerbaijani population treated the Russian invaders better than the Turkish liberators is the specific fault of the evil Armenians in half with us - they destroyed your entire people....what a blessing that with perestroika a stream of truth poured in to you and you immediately found out that we are orphans and wretched...what are we compared to you and your older brothers (with whom there would not have been such an Azerbaijani nationality)...after all, it was you who pulled us out of the wild Middle Ages, and in the end, massively increased the population ...:))) I'll go read the Bible...in Turkish....:))))
        1. smersh70
          -3
          19 October 2013 16: 05
          Quote: smile
          It is because of the leaky roofs that the Turks

          And what does the Turks have to do with it? smile Question for the base management and his deputy... smile
          Quote: smile
          where are we from you and your older brothers (with whom there would be no such nationality - Azerbaijani).

          voskepar with stoic - just relaxing wassat
          Quote: smile
          I'll go read the Bible...in Turkish....:))))

          as the Russian proverb says, learning is light, but ignorance is darkness! and VIL also said - learn, learn and learn again... good
  5. Voskepar
    +2
    19 October 2013 10: 56
    Quote: xasharat
    Quote: professor
    In the Turkic name of the mountain - Alagyoz - ala - “variegated” and gyoz stand out


    If you are not aware, then in the biblical name Ararat, the pure Turkic origin is Arar-Lost, At-horse. Until the 90s, they tried to change the name and remake it as Hai, I repeat, Hai and not Armenian. This won't happen again.

    Of course they know)))
    In biblical times, a Turk lost his horse in Altai and found it at the foot of Ararat)))))))
  6. smersh70
    +3
    19 October 2013 11: 24
    military unit 63530, 3624th air base, 2nd category (Yerevan, Erebuni airport)
    from the 102nd military base of the Russian Armed Forces in the Republic of Armenia

    SKP air base... and this is my VISP-75 device... I served on it... it feels like nothing has changed since the 80s... and look at the processor... just the Stone Age laughing
    1. Gooch v. 2
      +1
      19 October 2013 11: 34
      Quote: smersh70
      military unit 63530, 3624th air base, 2nd category (Yerevan, Erebuni airport)
      from the 102nd military base of the Russian Armed Forces in the Republic of Armenia

      SKP air base... and this is my VISP-75 device... I served on it... it feels like nothing has changed since the 80s... and look at the processor... just the Stone Age laughing

      correction, this unit is not a processor, but a system unit, well, judging by the form factor, it’s something at the level of the 2nd Stump, of course you can’t organize space wars, but playing around with some turn-based strategy game is quite enough)
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      2. smersh70
        +1
        19 October 2013 11: 57
        Quote: professor
        It turns out that with weapons from the Stone Age, Armenia holds the occupied Azerbaijani lands.

        in the photo there is a blond... a Russian officer!.. since when did Armenians become blondes...... laughing if they knew how to use airfield equipment... and fly airplanes... so why do they need foreign troops......
        1. +1
          19 October 2013 12: 05
          Quote: smersh70
          if they knew how to use airfield equipment... and fly airplanes... so why do they need foreign troops......

          To enhance. By the way, only Armenians fly to Gyumri. The blondes are stationed elsewhere.
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            1. +2
              19 October 2013 13: 03
              Quote: smersh70
              they fly only in these photos from the airfield in Yerevan...

              And what is the connection with the article?
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            1. +2
              19 October 2013 13: 17
              Quote: Gooch v.2
              And there are also transgalactic fighting priests flying there, punishing the insolent Khazars with a righteous sword

              When you have nothing to say on a topic, do you start trolling? Would you like to discuss the training ground, exercises or the geography of the area? If not, then I have the honor. hi
              1. smersh70
                0
                19 October 2013 13: 42
                Quote: professor
                Would you like to discuss the training ground, exercises or the geography of the area?


                Well, here’s the equipment from this base....your opinion...
  7. Voskepar
    +2
    19 October 2013 11: 44
    [quote=xasharat][quote=Voskepar]The Turk lost in biblical times[/quote]
    It’s not for nothing that Noah’s mausoleum is located in Azerbaijan in the Turkic lands.

    Of course, the names of this territory are Turkish))))))
    He swam to you for aryuz and tomatoes, but who wrote the story in the old days
    , worked for the Armenian lobby and didn’t write anything specifically about you.))))
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  9. Voskepar
    0
    19 October 2013 12: 11
    Quote: smersh70
    Quote: professor
    It turns out that with weapons from the Stone Age, Armenia holds the occupied Azerbaijani lands.

    in the photo there is a blond... a Russian officer!.. since when did Armenians become blondes...... laughing if they knew how to use airfield equipment... and fly airplanes... so why do they need foreign troops......

    We have neither pilots nor military personnel. The road to Yerevan is open.
    But for some reason you don’t have the guts to attack.
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      2. +5
        19 October 2013 18: 01
        Roiss. I’ll immediately start to muddy the waters, won’t I?[/quote]

        Gooch, I don’t know who you are or where you’re from, but for distorting the name of my Motherland, consider me in your face, I’ve already spat on you.
        I came to the thread and wanted to read professional comments about combat training in high altitude conditions, but here is a nationalist c..ch. I'm already sick.
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    2. smersh70
      +2
      19 October 2013 12: 38
      Quote: Voskepar
      We have neither pilots nor military personnel.

      that’s right...you’re making progress....here comes the aviation festival in Armenia...and there’s a Russian fighter in the center....
  10. +5
    19 October 2013 12: 17
    Damn, once again they flooded the entire thread with their showdowns.

    Topic: combat training Russian Armed Forces in mountain conditions.

    Your Armenian-Azerbaijani squabbles have nothing to do with the topic.
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      2. +2
        19 October 2013 13: 19
        And what? The bastards steal, and the officer on duty does not fulfill his duties.

        And this is your excuse for pooping the thread?
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  14. +2
    19 October 2013 13: 44
    It’s interesting that a simple note about the everyday life of a mountain training center that I knew well caused such a debacle on the site. Some, apparently poorly brought up, are already lashing out at people. What are you sharing? Name? In Soviet times, all the peoples and nationalities of Transcaucasia were trained there throughout the military training system for the Ground Forces. In my memory, there have never been any problems between Azerbaijanis and Armenians there. Because there was no time left for this - daytime classes were replaced by night ones....
    Thank you smersh70 for the photos. Immediately, memories came flooding back about my comrades, the amazing nature of this region, the sea of ​​champignons in the foothills of Aragats - Alagyoz - Alagyaz, the weather changing several times a day...
    1. smersh70
      +4
      19 October 2013 13: 48
      Quote: piston
      Thanks to smersh70 for the photos

      You're welcome)) go to the site...http://talks.milkavkaz.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=108&start=75 in the Russia section...and military bases in the Transcaucasus....there are a lot of photos there ....
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      1. 0
        19 October 2013 18: 41
        Due to the obvious flood from individual visitors to the topic, I emphasize the topic is called "Fights" in the foothills of the Alagyaz, the word “Battles” is in quotation marks, that is, we are talking about exercises and no more,I am deleting comments for the reason stated above.
  18. 0
    19 October 2013 18: 35
    Gooch v. 2 Thank you hi An extremely educational read that immediately shows your intelligence. wink
    1. Gooch v. 2
      0
      19 October 2013 18: 36
      Quote: Marrying
      Gooch v. 2 Thank you hi An extremely educational read that immediately shows your intelligence. wink

      Glad to! contact us! )

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