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The history of the Israeli special forces. Part Four - Flotilla 13

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We are continuing a series of publications on Israeli special forces. Today I will tell you about another well-known unit - Shayetet 13 (Flotilla 13), the elite special forces of the AOI Navy, also known as naval commandos.


The history of the Israeli special forces. Part Four - Flotilla 13


Shaetet 13 (Flotilla 13)


Shayet 13 - the secret division of the Israeli Navy for special operations. Despite being tied to the navy, it is a fairly universal broad profile unit that can also perform special tasks on land and parachute from the air.

The main purpose of the unit is of course reconnaissance, sabotage and special operations in the enemy rear. Naturally, the sea to this day is the best way to covertly penetrate enemy territory and an equally optimal way to withdraw.

This unit as well as MATKAL closely cooperates with the Israeli military and foreign intelligence, most of the operations are classified.


Fighters X "13 during exercises. Photo by Ziv Koren.


History

In 1943, a separate detachment was created in the structure of the Palmachs, a division of Palyam (Puga Yamit - Sea Company) is actually the progenitor of the Israeli Navy.

By the middle of 40, the leadership of Agana had serious disagreements with the British authorities. The British authorities began to actively resist the arrival of Jews in Mandatory Palestine.

Since the main way of delivering repatriates from Europe was by sea, the main forces of the British were concentrated on this direction. The British not only harshly suppressed the delivery of repatriates by sea, they also used the fleet to deport Jews to special concentration camps in Cyprus.

Therefore, it was decided to create units capable of opposing them, including sabotage against British warships and deportation ships.


Yohai ben noon


Yohai Ben Noon - the first commander of the Israeli commandos and the first commander Sh'13

So in 1945 was born the Link of Marine Saboteurs under the command of Yohai Ben Nun. Yohai Fishman was born in Haifa to a native Israeli woman and a repatriate from Russia. His childhood was spent in Jerusalem 30's, where Arabs often smashed Jewish neighbors. According to the memoirs of Yohai, this was precisely the reason for his life choices.

In 16 years he entered Agana, in 18 he graduated from college and entered Palmach. In 1944, he left PALMAX and began his studies at the medical faculty of the Hebrew University.

But a year later he met Abraham Zakai, who persuaded him to return to Palma, to the newly created sea company. He graduated from the commanders' course and already in 1945 began to conduct operations against the British, which continued until the announcement of the UN plan for the partition of Palestine.

Yohai Ben Noon commanded a variety of sabotage operations against the ships of the British fleet. During the bloody events in the Haifa port of 1947, Yohai and his men guarded the Jewish workers in the port and trained them in self-defense.

They also conducted raids in two Arab villages, from which pogrom-mongers emerged.

In 1948, he commanded units in battles near Jerusalem. But he was soon returned to his duties, commanded the ships sailing to Europe for new repatriates and weapons. Imported to Israel the ship of the Russian Fleet "Albatross".

Upon completion of these operations, Johai Ben Noon was assigned to create a special detachment of sea saboteurs already in the IDF structure. 6 Italian torpedo boats, capable of carrying explosives of 300 and delivering speed up to 35 nodes, were handed over to the detachment.

This weapon, developed by the Italians in WWII, was a boat filled with explosives. He was controlled by one fighter, who at high speed was to send him to an enemy ship, and he jumped in 100 meters to the point of collision.

Then he picked up the fighter already commander boat.

Sketch of Italian boat MTM, in Israel, these boats are called Karish (Shark in Hebrew)


The people were selected from immigrants of PALYAM and Jewish veterans of the British naval forces. The first instructor of the new division was Italian Fiorenzo Capriotti, the fighter of the 10 fleet of MAS. Fiorenzo was captured by the British during a sabotage in Malta on 1941. He spent in British and American captivity about 6-years.

After the liberation, he was recruited by the Israeli Mossad, Le aliyah Bet, to purchase and inspect the same torpedo boats and other equipment for the nascent Israeli naval forces. In 1948, Capriotti arrived at the port of Haifa disguised as a Jewish repatriate.

Capriotti began training with the fighters Ben Nun and quickly found a common language with them. He was an experienced sea bomber and was well versed in the technical and tactical aspects of the use of boats. The skills transferred to them were needed before the end of the training.

October 27 1948 th fighters Yohai Ben Nun had a debut operation, sinking the Egyptian fleet flagship Amir Faruk escort ship, and damaging a minesweeper accompanying him off the coast of Gaza.

In 1949, it was decided to merge the divisions of boats and combat swimmers, saboteurs into one.

Sh'13

So 1, January 1950 was born The 13 Flotilla was born, and Yohai Ben Nun was appointed as the first commander. The 13 figure was the lucky number of the squadron since the days of PELAM, whose fighters gathered each month on the 13 number to "raise a glass."

This became a tradition after one of their first ships sank in the sea during a storm, and fighter Zeev Fried reached the coast by swimming.

The assembled team was already quite experienced in various aspects of the activity. Over the years of fighting the British, they have learned a lot.

They closely cooperated with the European representatives of the emerging intelligence Mossad, often under the guise of sailors visited abroad, studying the structure of the ports and the nuances of sabotage work in the field.

Also made reconnaissance attacks and to the closest neighbors in Lebanon and Egypt. So the deputy commander Sh'13 was appointed Yossi Dror, a man of Palmach, who led the operation to sink a ship with weapons for Arabs in Italy.

In general, Shaehet 13 in Italy had already had exits to Italian combat swimmers for the purpose of training and purchasing equipment.

In 50, Shaehet 13 fighters continued to train and improve their skills. Initially, we worked with the Italians, then switched to the French and the British. In general, the fighters of Flotilla-13 preferred to train and learn from everyone who succeeded.

So a number of officers Sh'13 visited the training bases of French combat swimmers and was trained by the British SBS. Acquired skills and use of new equipment allowed the unit to reach a new level.

Training has become longer and more extensive, even then the course of the fighter Sh'13 became one of the most difficult courses in Israel. At the end of the course, the fighters made a grueling rally of more than 200-km long.

In the middle of the 50-x fighters switched to French equipment, which greatly expanded their capabilities. New breathing apparatus gave a particularly tangible advantage. Also, the fighters carried out many training and reconnaissance operations in the Mediterranean.

However, in the Sinai Campaign and in the Six-Day War, Navy Special Forces fighters did not perform high-profile successful operations. The detachment consisted of only a few dozen fighters and was not particularly used for its intended purpose.

A number of operations were even failed. The morale in the squadron was badly damaged after the 6 fighters were captured by the enemy during a failed operation in the port of Alexandria.

The first, for many years, designated operations began at the end of the 60s during the war of attrition. Raids on Adabiyah and Green Island and sabotage in Egyptian ports. Here the detachment suffered losses again, but the tasks were completed.

Green Island

In 1969, the Egyptian commandos carried out a bold operation at the Israeli stronghold of Metzah on the east bank of the Suez Canal. 7 was killed and 5 was wounded by Israeli soldiers, and the Egyptians took prisoners.

These events have greatly undermined the morale of the personnel of the Israeli strongholds of the Suez Canal. The command ordered Sh'13 to carry out a retaliatory action. The target was a well-fortified Egyptian stronghold on Green Island.

For a successful assault, at least 40 special forces soldiers were needed, but at that moment there were fewer people in Sh'13. Then they decided to attract fighters to sarayat MATKAL.

But those, in turn, did not have experience in using scuba gears, so it was decided that the MATKAL fighters would come up on boats after the signal to capture the bridgehead from divers Sh'13. But the operation did not go according to plan and a fierce battle ensued on the shore.

A squad of 20-ti commandos for 17 minutes cleared the greater half of the island, only then came to the aid MATKAL. Commander Senior Lieutenant Amikhai Ayalon then demonstrated personal prowess and heroism.

Being several times wounded by fragments of grenades, he personally, under heavy fire, cleared several machine-gun nests, continuing to command the detachment until the end of the operation despite serious injuries and heavy bleeding.

Half of the Sh'13 attack aircraft were injured by the time of MATKAL's arrival. Green Island was completely stripped, about 80-ty Egyptian soldiers died defending positions. Among them, 12 Egyptian commandos, the entire infrastructure of the OP destroyed by explosive charges, including radar and air defense weapons.

The special forces detachment also came under shelling, which the garrison called upon itself. In all, 3 fighter Sh'13 and 3 from MATKAL were killed in that battle.


Golda Meir Ami Ayalon


Israeli Prime Minister rewards Captain Ami Ayalon with the Order For Heroism for the operation on Green Island. The captain is dressed in the uniform of the Navy with a large sign of Sh'13.

According to the results of the Doomsday War, there were ambiguous conclusions, although the Sh'13 fighters caused significant damage to the Egyptian fleet, sinking several warships.

Also Flotilla involved in joint operations with other units. Including, in the previously mentioned by me "Spring of Youth".


Fighter Sh'13 with a Kalashnikov, Note the improvised optics and attached US-made M203 rifle grenade launcher.


Taking into account past failures, the necessary conclusions were drawn for the future, and Sh'13 in the middle of the 70s began to work in the northern direction of Lebanon and Syria.

As a result of their active and concerted intelligence activities, a large number of ships with weapons for Palestinian terrorists were sunk.

During this period, Ami Ayalon, an ambitious and talented officer, became Sh'13 commander.

In April, the 1980 th detachment of Sh'13 fighters secretly sailed toward the Lebanese coast at night. Having landed on the shore, they quietly surrounded the camp of militants. Having taken positions, they suddenly attacked the militants with heavy fire.

Then they stormed the headquarters building and undermined it. As a result, the militants lost 20 people killed, 3 of whom should have committed an act of terrorism in Israel in the near future. Among the special forces were two wounded.


The modified AK is a frequent symbol of Sh'13 saboteurs, this shows a folding butt from Israeli Galil.


In general, the period from the beginning of 1979 to the spring of 1981 became the high point of Sh'13. They conducted more 20 operations against terrorists in Lebanon and the squadron received the highest award from commander-in-chief Rafael Eitan.

In 1983, the fighters conducted an operation in Syria. As planned, it was necessary to eliminate some militants by placing the blame on others. But the operation failed, as the Syrian military were killed.

In 1984, fighters Sh'13, together with the Navy and the Israeli Air Force, conducted a brilliant operation in Libya. North of Tripoli, 14 terrorists were destroyed. The squad left with two easily wounded.

The biggest tragedy of the unit was the night of 5 on September 1997. A squad of 16 fighters was on a secret mission in Lebanon and ended up in a well-organized Hezbollah trap. On the route of the detachment were powerful land mines.

As a result of the explosion, 11 fighters died. Hezbollah also attempted to capture the rest or kidnap the remains of the bodies. The evacuation operation was also very complicated. And led to the death of another person from the evacuation team.

The purpose of the mission is still secret, the reasons for the failure are also unreliable. At the end of 2000's, information appeared that Hezbollah was then able to intercept communication channels from the Israeli UAV.

In those years, the channel was not encrypted, so they saw which area was interested in the Israeli military intelligence and prepared an ambush there. I did not see official confirmation of this information.


Landing landing. Again, AK and Mini Uzi with a silencer.


In connection with the outbreak of violence in the Palestinian territories in the 2000's, the command decided to connect Sh'13 to the urban police operations in the territories. This decision cost several more lives of fighters and officers of the unit. Dozens of terrorists were killed, even more arrested.

The most significant operations of Sh'13 in recent years can undoubtedly be considered the interception of ships with weapons. Hundreds of tons of various weapons from grenades to anti-ship missile systems did not reach the Lebanese and Palestinian recipients.

In 2002, five hundred kilometers from the Israeli coast, the vessel Karine A with a large consignment of weapons from Iran to Gaza was intercepted. More than 50 tons of machine guns, sniper rifles, mortars, ATGM and ammunition were unloaded from the holds in the port of Eilat.

Next was a series of operations against the smuggling of weapons from Iran, and according to unconfirmed reports, to Iran. In the period 2000-x were intercepted several ships under the flags of different countries with a variety of weapons including missiles, rockets and large-caliber mortars.


Fighters Sh'13 work out the capture of the ship.


Another area of ​​operational activity of Sh'13 became Palestinian terrorists. Since the beginning of the second intifada, the special forces have conducted many operations to capture and eliminate terrorists and to destroy the infrastructure of Palestinian terror.

Many operations were not directly related to the main profile of the unit, which caused an ambiguous assessment of this practice. In any case, the navy special forces showed a high level of work. It did not go, however, without loss - 6 special forces soldiers died performing operations in the territories.

The most scandalous operation in recent years was the storming of the Turkish cruise ship Mavi Marmara.

The pro-Palestinian organizations, with the support of the new government of Turkey, organized a major provocation on which the army ranks of Israel successfully "pecked".

"World Flotilla" - a project that made a lot of noise in the world press even before the release, gathered under its banner several ships that advanced to break through from the sea, due to the coming to power of Hamas, the Gaza Strip.

Under the cover of delivering humanitarian aid, several hundred activists from various pro-Palestinian and peacemaking organizations were gathered. On the cruise ferry Mavi Marmara put more than 700 people. At least one hundred of them were activists of extremist groups and had a clear plan of action.

The ships of the Israeli Navy took to the group of ships of the Peace Flotilla in neutral waters and warned that their course lay in the zone of the army blockade. The ships were asked to proceed to the port of Ashdod, where the humanitarian cargo will be inspected, and then transported by trucks to Gaza, as was the case with all the humanitarian assistance received in the region.

The ferry with activists ignored these demands and the command decided to disembark the special forces group on board. This idea ended pitifully, the first few fighters were brutally attacked by an organized group of people armed with both improvised and targeted melee weapons.

A group of activists was wearing life jackets, had gas masks, communications equipment and were well armed. Special Forces soldiers began to descend to the upper deck from a helicopter on a tightrope.

Not having time to touch the deck, the fighters armed with paintball non-lethal weapons were knocked down with rods and sticks. Part got knife injured. One fighter was thrown overboard to the lower deck.

The fighters wore Glock combat pistols in their underwear holsters. These pistols were taken away by the activists and from them fire on special forces was opened. One of the fighters was dragged inside the ship.

Understanding the complexity of the current situation, the commander of the operation gave the order to switch to military weapons - the special forces soldiers began to clean the ship.

The result of the confrontation became the 9 killed and 28 injured activists, 10 special forces were injured, two severe severity. The operation caused a violent reaction in the world and in Israel, the relations between Turkey and Israel were heated to the limit.

In general, Israel suffered a crushing defeat, because the organizers of the provocation achieved the desired result. Sh'13 was also hit as performers of the assault.


One of the activists next to the captured beaten fighter Sh'13, raised up the index finger of his right hand - a symbol of the Islamists.


Today, Shaeet 13 is still a secret unit in the IDF Navy. The flotilla is divided into three companies "palgot":

Palgat haPoshtim - Assault Company, responsible for sabotage and assault operations including disembarking from the sea, seizing enemy targets, freeing hostages and counter-terrorist operations.

They are undergoing sabotage, sniper, counter-terrorism training with elements of close-fire combat, sweep tactics and assault on buildings, ships, strong points, etc. The most elite company with the highest requirements for selection.

Palgat Tsolelim - combat swimmers, divers. The group whose main tasks include subversive operations under water.

Surface Palga - operators of speedboats and special ships of the flotilla, provide delivery, fire support and evacuation of the assault group. They are responsible for the combat operations of the group at sea and also working out close cooperation with ships and submarines of the Navy.

In addition to the AUI Sh'13 itself, there are also a number of small specialized units in the Navy.


Speedboats of the 13 Flotilla.


All candidates are carefully selected. For enrollment in recruits, the Sh'13 recruit undergoes a grueling four-day exam and an extended medical examination.

The course of the young Sh'13 fighter lasts for 20 months and includes standard infantry squadrons, parachute training, shooting training, control of small speedboats, navigation, long marches with elements of survival and orientation, engineering training, hand-to-hand combat, counterterrorism.

Special attention, of course, takes the course of combat diving. Including survival in difficult conditions, hypothermia, lack of visibility and various critical situations under water.

The most different ways of delivery to the coast, the newest scuba gears, scuba diving equipment, landing options from submarines and landing from air to water are being worked out. Joint exercises with similar units from abroad are regularly held.

The course of the young fighter Shaehet 13 is considered one of the most difficult in the Israel Defense Forces. A large number of applicants do not complete a full course both in view of excessive physical exertion and tests for moral stability and endurance, and as a result of injuries. As in other elite divisions, most candidates are eliminated during the course and settle in other less elite divisions.

Analogues Shaehet - British SBS, American NAVY SEALS, Italian COMSUBIN.
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Articles from this series:
The history of the Israeli special forces. Part one
The history of the Israeli special forces. Part two
The history of the Israeli special forces. Part three
The history of the Israeli special forces. Part Four - Flotilla 13
The history of the Israeli special forces. Part Five - YAMAM
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  1. Katsin1
    Katsin1 21 October 2013 08: 25
    -5
    Do Russians have a similar unit?
    1. Rus86
      Rus86 21 October 2013 09: 15
      13
      the most fun comment of the week! in absentia)
    2. ded10041948
      ded10041948 21 October 2013 09: 45
      +6
      No! We are white, warm and fluffy!
    3. patrianostra
      patrianostra 21 October 2013 10: 57
      0
      And then the three-bolt spacesuits ala 19th century and so one warhead of 10 megatons eliminates a bunch of problems
    4. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 21 October 2013 17: 47
      +4
      Quote: Katsin1
      Do Russians have a similar unit?

      .......................................
      Base points for Combat swimmers of the Russian Navy.
      42-th marine reconnaissance point (Russky Island, Dzhigit Bay, near the city of Vladivostok, Pacific Fleet);
      420-th marine reconnaissance point (Zverosovkhoz settlement, near the city of Kola Murmansk, Northern Fleet);
      431-th naval reconnaissance point (Tuapse, Black Sea Fleet);
      561-th marine reconnaissance point (p. Parusnoye, near the city of Baltiysk, Kaliningrad region, Baltic Fleet).
      Detachments against submarine sabotage forces and means:
      140-th About PDSS (Western Persons, Northern Fleet);
      152-th About PDSS (Polar, Northern Fleet);
      153-th About PDSS (Gremikha, Northern Fleet);
      160-th About PDSS (Vidyaevo, Northern Fleet);
      269-th ABOUT PDSS (Gadzhievo, Northern Fleet);
      313 OBSS PDSS (settlement Sputnik, Northern Fleet); ????
      311-th SPS PDSS (Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, Pacific Fleet)
      38-th SPS PDSS (Liepaja, Baltic Fleet)
      313-th SPS PDSS (Baltiysk, Baltic Fleet);
      473-th SPS PDSS (Kronstadt, Baltic Fleet);
      102-th SAR PDSS (Sevastopol, Black Sea Fleet). [2]
      159-th OSpN BPDSS (Fokino, Pacific Fleet)

    5. In the reeds
      In the reeds 21 October 2013 19: 40
      +3
      There are also cool ones, I myself saw them in the Quarantine Bay in Sevastopol when I was on retraining. Great guys. But, what surprised the water goes without gloves, but it was winter ...
      1. smile
        smile 22 October 2013 04: 09
        0
        In the reeds
        Thank you.
  2. Sergeant
    Sergeant 21 October 2013 09: 25
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    Quote: Katsin1
    Do Russians have a similar unit?

    Do not worry - Of course not!
    Where do we go ... We only have cavalry ...! wink
    1. smirnov
      smirnov 21 October 2013 12: 36
      +3
      Yes, we don’t have tanks like carrots either. laughing
    2. Bort radist
      Bort radist 21 October 2013 13: 13
      +6
      Quote: Sergeant
      Where do we go ... We only have cavalry ...!

      Underwater! As I imagined, horses in scuba gear and in 5 ty flippers. wassat
      1. smile
        smile 22 October 2013 04: 10
        +2
        Bort radist
        And the fifth is put on chivo? :)))
        1. Bort radist
          Bort radist 22 October 2013 08: 23
          +1
          Quote: smile
          And the fifth is put on chivo? :)))

          On the tail! And what did you think this is a hydraulic brake.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 21 October 2013 14: 20
      12
      Quote: Sergeant
      Do not worry - Of course not!
      Where do we go ... We only have cavalry ...!


      Only horse-drawn aircraft and underground artillery remained
      We also have underwater cavalry. Each squadron is armed with Mosin’s powerful air rifles, model 1891. capable of firing under water with both darts and special waterproof clay cartridges. clothed in a special weighted wetsuit with detachable weighting elements. So, for example, on the legs of the horse are not ordinary, but thickened lead horseshoes, which, when landing on the shore, are unfastened by pressing a single button located under her tail. Also included in the arsenal of such troops is explosives, which allow them to break free on the enemy’s shore, decisively, directly from under the ice edge.
      The story is no less interesting. VBKPD - Troops of the Crane-Delta-Glider Landing. Indeed, the aircraft used in the Airborne Forces require a lot of high-quality fuel. VBKPD also costs simple fuel oil, in fact, oil production waste. A barge with a high tower crane on board approaches the enemy’s shore and paratroopers drop from it. The height of the cranes allows highly trained hang gliders with a variety of weapons in their hands to fly far enough deep into the territory of the enemy and destroy important objects. laughing
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 21 October 2013 14: 29
        +3
        Quote: Ascetic
        VBKPD - Troops of the Crane-Delta-Glider Landing

        Bravo! Plus 8)
  3. abu
    abu 21 October 2013 09: 32
    0
    Quote: Katsin1
    Do Russians have a similar unit?
    where is it for us, just Russia has one tank division for each Sh13 fighter
  4. pensioner
    pensioner 21 October 2013 10: 11
    +2
    Having been wounded several times by fragments of grenades, he personally cleaned up several machine gun nests under heavy fire
    Someone unkillable cleaner turned out to be some ... what
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 21 October 2013 11: 18
      +2
      Shards of grenades are usually extremely small.
  5. Denis_469
    Denis_469 21 October 2013 10: 31
    0
    "As a result of their active and coordinated actions with intelligence, a large number of ships with weapons for Palestinian terrorists were sunk." - I personally know only about 1 sunken Palestinian transport, on which there were no weapons. It was generally empty before loading. All other "victories" of Israel are a fiction of the Israelis to show their cool to their people and the whole world.

    "The most significant operations of the 13rd 2000th recent years can be undoubtedly considered the interception of ships with weapons. Hundreds of tons of various weapons from grenades to anti-ship missile systems did not reach the Lebanese and Palestinian addressees." - how many did not look for confirmation of all the statements of the Israeli Navy in the 2010s - XNUMXs about the sinking of the type of ships with weapons by their submarines and combat swimmers - and did not find a single victory. It seems that all these "victories" are the fruit of fiction of the Israeli Navy for the press. Like to show how cool they are and do something there.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 21 October 2013 11: 19
      +4
      Quote: Denis_469
      how many did not seek confirmation of all statements of the Israeli Navy in the 2000's - 2010's about the sinking of ships like weapons with their submarines and combat swimmers - I did not find a single victory.

      Somewhere it stated that you were looking for it?
      1. Denis_469
        Denis_469 21 October 2013 11: 29
        -2
        Why say? You just need to search. For statements, there is the Israeli Navy with its tales.

        And I myself create a chronicle of the attacks of submarines and enter there all the attacks of submarines that I manage to unearth and find.

        If you suddenly think that the Israeli Navy is not lying, then go ahead: their statements are known to everyone. Find ships struck by them. Especially Iranian.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 21 October 2013 11: 53
          +1
          Quote: Denis_469
          Why say? You just need to search. For statements, there is the Israeli Navy with its tales.


          More specifically. Give a statement to the Israeli Navy and justify what it is a fairy tale. Otherwise, all the speeches that you are pushing here are idle chatter.
          1. Denis_469
            Denis_469 21 October 2013 12: 30
            +3
            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3706989,00.html

            Try to find the sunken ship the sinking of which the Israelis claimed.

            Here is a statement by the Israeli Navy about the sinking of the ship.

            What is a fairy tale? It's simple - no ship was sunk there at all. Because during the +/- 2 days period in that region of the Indian Ocean (from the place of death within a radius of 500 miles) no vessel was killed at all. And Iran these days also did not lose its ships and vessels.
            Thus, this statement of Israel on the sinking is just a figment of the imagination for the press.

            If you think that this is not so, then go ahead. They took and found a sunken ship, about which the Israelis said. Otherwise, all your words are just empty talk for your own show-offs.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 21 October 2013 12: 53
              +3
              Quote: Denis_469
              Try to find the sunken ship the sinking of which the Israelis claimed.

              Here is a statement by the Israeli Navy about the sinking of the ship.


              Have you ever tried to read the article? Well, for fun. In my opinion, no. Because it is enough to look at the first lines. And there in black and white, in the purest English, the Israeli edition of ynet, not related to the Navy, writes "EGYPTIAN WEEKLY reported ...". Egyptian. Weekly. Repeated twice. Explain to me where the statement of the Israeli Navy is.

              Or are you talking about two Times sources that commented on the bombing, not the sinking of the ship?

              So where is the statement from the Israeli Navy?
              1. Denis_469
                Denis_469 21 October 2013 13: 00
                -2
                There is no statement. It is in Hebrew. Where did the Egyptians rip him off. I have big problems with Hebrew. Then I make references to what I can normally understand and what is written in an understandable language for reading.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 05
                  0
                  Quote: Denis_469
                  There is no statement. It is in Hebrew. Where did the Egyptians rip him off. I have big problems with Hebrew. Then I make references to what I can normally understand and what is written in an understandable language for reading.

                  Find this statement. I read the press in Hebrew regularly, and have never read such nonsense. Is it anywhere indicated that the Egyptians took their information from a Hebrew-speaking source? WHERE?
                  1. Denis_469
                    Denis_469 21 October 2013 13: 10
                    -3
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Find this statement.


                    1 million US dollars and 100% prepayment.
                    I do not work for you. And to do something to dispel your own stupidity is not required.
                    I gave the information. Where to look said. If something else, then only for the money as an employee. All clear?
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: Denis_469
                      I do not work for you. And to do something to dispel your own stupidity is not required.
                      I gave the information. Where to look said. If something else, then only for the money as an employee. All clear?

                      You do not work, right, I would have fired such an employee for a moment. Illiterate, unable to work with sources and aplomb, and attempts to prove that he was right when he was thrice thrust at his mistakes.

                      You are currently trying to prove something. You were caught on a lie, and on illiteracy. And you say that I have to pay you to admit that you are an illiterate liar?
                      1. Denis_469
                        Denis_469 21 October 2013 13: 33
                        -2
                        I’m only telling you that I don’t work for you. Because I don’t care how much you lie to others. You were caught on the fact that you are a liar, and you unlock. Your business.
                        If you are not a liar, then either give the name of the sunken ship. And do not give, and remain a liar.
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: Denis_469
                        I’m only telling you that I don’t work for you. Because I don’t care how much you lie to others. You were caught on the fact that you are a liar, and you unlock. Your business.
                        If you are not a liar, then either give the name of the sunken ship. And do not give, and remain a liar.

                        You are a liar. Turning around, as if on a frying pan. You were caught in a lie, and now you are asking me to hire you, an illiterate liar, to work, and you demand from me the name of the ship, which has never been recognized by Israel as sunk. The only thing you found was the mention of "THE EGYPTIAN WEEKLY REPORTS". But you pass him by. BRAVO!
                      3. Denis_469
                        Denis_469 21 October 2013 13: 42
                        -3
                        Quote: Pimply
                        which is nowhere recognized by Israel as drowned.

                        Your next lie. I have provided a link to an Israeli site that claimed it.

                        You see, Israeli. The one you write about that no one else in Israel recognized. Admitted. And a link to it was given above.

                        So do not lie to me at least. I am not a Jew and have talked enough with these to know that they are not able to answer the directly posed question.
                        And now you even proceeded to deny the fact of the existence of the Israeli publication in general. Claiming that no one anywhere in Israel.

                        Lie more believable.
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 21 October 2013 13: 52
                        +3
                        Quote: Denis_469
                        You see, Israeli. The one you write about that no one else in Israel recognized. Admitted. And a link to it was given above.

                        Admit it honestly. What are you smoking? I am bamboo. This Israeli site wrote: "Egypt accuses Israel ..." Do you think it follows from this that Israel recognizes the correctness of Egypt's accusations?

                        PS
                        To you a question: How much land is in a pit measuring Z x 2 x 3 m?
                      5. smile
                        smile 22 October 2013 04: 23
                        0
                        Professor
                        Hello.
                        Well, I recently advised you, stop hassling your lungs with bamboo, smoke fish (as Tobit advised), and as some do ... and you will immediately agree with everything ... :)))
                        And in the pit of the earth, finally there shouldn’t be ... it’s the pit ... or is it such a joke? :)))
                      6. Professor
                        Professor 22 October 2013 09: 13
                        0
                        There is no way without bamboo ...
                        And at the expense of the pit, this is an idiotic test for passing on a driver's license in Germany. Very interesting test. For example:
                        Questions:

                        1. In the house with an elevator on the 2nd floor there is a dentist, on the 3rd lawyer and on the 4th prostitute. Which button will the elevators click most often?
                        2. How much land is in the pit measuring Z x 2 x 3 m?
                        3. A man has four daughters: Lala, Lele, Lolo and Lulu. What is the name of the fifth?
                        4. How often can you exchange 100 euros for a cupe?
                        5. A direct turn - is he, she or it?
                        6. If cigarettes have risen in price by a third and you began to smoke by a third less. Does it mean that you spend more money on a curvature?
                        7. Seven and eleven arms of hay were stacked. How many armfuls did you get?
                        8. Half of the bald head has 60 hair, how much hair is on the whole bald head?
                        9. The train travels from north to south. The wind is blowing from the south. Where does the smoke blow?
                        10. 2 fathers and 2 sons went fishing. A total of 3 fish were caught, but each brings home one caught fish. How does this happen.
                        And the answers are here!
                        1. Ground floor button
                        2. Not at all (there is no land in the pit!)
                        3. Mona (not Lily).
                        4. Once, then it is already exchanged.
                        5. Turn are not direct!
                        6. Less. Assuming that one pack costs three euros and before you smoked three packs a day, it comes out to 9 euros a day. After that you spend 8 euros for 2 packs.
                        7. One stack or one large armful (and not 18!)
                        8. Zero. A whole bald head - bald!
                        9. Electric motors do not smoke.
                        10. Because they are a son, father and grandfather.
                2. Denis_469
                  Denis_469 21 October 2013 13: 44
                  -5
                  Quote: Pimply
                  now you ask me to hire you


                  I do not demand - I just tell you that you are nobody for me. And to call you in any way. Therefore, I owe you nothing. And if you want something from me to do for you, then for free I will not do anything for you.

                  This is probably clear to everyone except you.
                3. Pimply
                  Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 50
                  +3
                  Quote: Denis_469
                  Therefore, I owe you nothing.


                  Obliged. You said the Jews are lying. At the moment, only you have been caught lying. Does it mean that you are a Jew?
                4. The comment was deleted.
                5. Pimply
                  Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 56
                  +2
                  Quote: Denis_469
                  At the moment, only you have been caught lying. And you are a Jew.

                  Is that all you can say? Please provide a paragraph where and how you caught me lying?
                6. Rumata
                  Rumata 21 October 2013 18: 14
                  +4
                  Quote: Denis_469
                  At the moment, only you have been caught lying. And you are a Jew.


                  No words only emotions...
              2. smile
                smile 22 October 2013 04: 25
                +1
                Pimply
                My applause. You are inimitable. :))))
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 8 November 2013 07: 34
      0
      Denis, and you are a troll. A natural hardened troll and after reading your comments, it became clear that talking to you is like a wall, you dug your teeth and claws into your "spin" and you don't want to hear opponents point-blank, in your understanding opponents are wrong a priori, and your goal is not to discuss the topic but unmotivated pouring over Mr. and provoking conflict situations - the behavior of a true TROLL. And trolls are of two types: either embittered losers who thus take out their complexes, or custom-made, hired by ectrimist (fascist / terrorist) organizations. Which troll are you?
  • Denis_469
    Denis_469 21 October 2013 12: 35
    -1
    Here's another one about the same attack explaining the reason why I checked it:
    http://www.grandestrategy.com/2009/04/iranian-ship-torpedoed-and-sunk-by-us.html


    "An Iranian ship, on its way to Sudan was attacked by Israel / American submarine and sunk. All the crew members on board are reportedly dead."

    It says that the Iranian ship was sunk by a submarine.
    American pl nothing to do with it. About all of their military campaigns and BS is already known.

    So I'm waiting for the name of the ship, about the sinking of which was declared by Israel.

    There are other statements from Israel on the Internet. Including Hebrew. But I don’t feel them here, because I use computer translation, and there he is terrible. Understand what and how you can, but the repost is clearly not worth it.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 21 October 2013 12: 59
      +2
      Quote: Denis_469
      Here's another one about the same attack explaining the reason why I checked it:
      http://www.grandestrategy.com/2009/04/iranian-ship-torpedoed-and-sunk-by-us.html


      You read what is written there. “IF THERE IS A PLACE,” is written on the Islamic website, and then comes the analytics and speculations of where Israel might strike from.

      So where are Israel's statements here? On an Islamic analytics website, at the top of which it says "In the name of Allah, the merciful and the most merciful."

      Do you generally distinguish between newspaper articles, analytics, citation, and official statements?

      Find something else? And then you brought me a translation of the Israeli edition of the note in the Egyptian weekly, and an analytical note from a site that has nothing to do with Israel.
      1. Denis_469
        Denis_469 21 October 2013 13: 02
        -4
        Quote: Pimply
        Find something else?


        I found enough to understand what the case was. It is clear that many Jews do not like being caught in a lie. But these are their personal problems, which have nothing to do with me.

        Also:

        Quote: Pimply
        And then you brought me a translation of the Israeli edition

        I myself can’t read Hebrew, and therefore I use only translations from that language.

        So what Israeli ship did you sink? Can you say, or only blah blah blah know how?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 10
          +3
          Quote: Denis_469
          I found enough to understand what the case was. It is clear that many Jews do not like being caught in a lie. But these are their personal problems, which have nothing to do with me.

          So, dear, where exactly. You accuse someone of lying, so show proof. You found something, it is not clear where. The Israeli resource clearly states that the information comes from the Egyptians, and not from an official source, but from an Egyptian weekly. The second resource is an incomprehensible Islamic analytical site that has nothing to do with Israel. But for some reason, "the Jews are lying." Maybe you are just a Judeophobe, you do not like Jews, and this is the whole secret?


          Quote: Denis_469
          I myself do not know how to read Hebrew, and therefore I use only translations from that language.


          You do not know how - at least a few people on this site can. I can. So, I did not find such nonsense in Hebrew, due to the authorship of the Israeli Navy.

          It seems that you and the English are a lot of fun.
          1. Denis_469
            Denis_469 21 October 2013 13: 20
            -2
            I do not blame lies. I simply state this fact. And if Israel does not agree with some, they can simply give the names of sunken ships in this and other cases.
            I’m trying all the time to get you the name of the ship sunk by the Israelis, and you all the time can’t say anything but blah blah blah.

            Quote: Pimply
            Maybe you are just anti-Semite, do not like Jews, and this is the whole secret?

            Honestly, I don’t care about the Jews. The main thing is that they do not start a nuclear war. And let Jesus do the rest with them.
            But the Jews themselves are indifferent to me.

            Quote: Pimply
            You do not know how - at least a few people on this site can. I can. So, I did not find such nonsense in Hebrew, due to the authorship of the Israeli Navy.

            I found it when Google had a multilingual search. Including was a search from Hebrew. And since I saw that statement myself, I completely trust the links to it.

            And my English is not perfect due to lack of language practice. Which, however, does not prevent me from communicating normally with the Americans on one of the AMA sites. At least sometimes the Amy say that my English is terrible, and sometimes that is very good. It all depends on the topic of communication and my language supply. So in general, pulls on a triple.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 30
              +3
              Quote: Denis_469
              I do not blame lies. I simply state this fact. And if Israel does not agree with some, they can simply give the names of sunken ships in this and other cases.

              You specifically wrote earlier - "Israel stated." Then "the Jews lie." But it would be fine if you admitted a mistake. No. You are trying to shift your shameful inability to work with sources on other people's shoulders.
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 32
              +3
              Quote: Denis_469
              I found it when Google had a multilingual search. Including was a search from Hebrew. And since I saw that statement myself, I completely trust the links to it.

              But I don't trust you. Well, just making sure you couldn't read the "EGYPTIAN WEEKLY REPORTS" twice in the first two paragraphs, and take the note in the article for a statement by the Israeli Navy. Find. Something tells me that you will not succeed.
              1. Denis_469
                Denis_469 21 October 2013 13: 35
                -2
                I also do not trust you. But in general, I don’t believe Jews and Jews at all either. There are no more such liars in the world. And from here I see one such representative, who was caught lying, and who in every way gets out.

                You do not get out - just say the name of the ship sunk by your submarine at Sudan. If Israel does not lie, then this is no problem.
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 42
                +1
                Quote: Denis_469
                I also do not trust you. But in general, I don’t believe Jews and Jews at all either. There are no more such liars in the world. And from here I see one such representative, who was caught lying, and who in every way gets out.

                That was all. You are afraid of the Jews. Because they are smarter than you, are able to correctly translate texts and write with fewer errors?

                This is charming. An illiterate liar accuses other people of lies, being unable to work with sources, nor read normally, nor write normally. But Jews must be blamed for his inability. Bravo. You have revealed the essence of any anti-Semite.
              3. Denis_469
                Denis_469 21 October 2013 13: 48
                -1
                Quote: Pimply
                You are afraid of the Jews.


                No, I'm not afraid of them. They are very stupid and easy to catch on a lie. What am I successfully doing with you now.


                Quote: Pimply
                Because they are smarter than you, are able to correctly translate texts and write with fewer errors?

                Jews do not even know how to lie so that they are not caught in a lie.

                As for grammar, these are skills of the lowest level. Which are then no longer required. Further knowledge is required. But the Jews do not have them at all. They cannot even understand their Torra. Trite n can read what is written there. What can we talk about Jews after this?

                Quote: Pimply
                This is charming. An illiterate liar accuses other people of lies, being unable to work with sources, nor read normally, nor write normally. But Jews must be blamed for his inability. Bravo. You have revealed the essence of any anti-Semite.

                The standard excuse for the Jews when they are caught in a lie. They have everyone who caught the Jews in a lie is an anti-Semite.

                I can say that from a general point of view it’s wonderful to be an anti-Semite. Because it was Jesus Christ himself. He was the first anti-Semite on this planet. For this you do not love him.

                PS: I'm not anti-Semite. I have already expressed my opinion about Jews and Jews: if they do not start a nuclear war, then they are indifferent to me.
              4. Pimply
                Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 54
                -3
                Quote: Denis_469
                No, I'm not afraid of them. They are very stupid and easy to catch on a lie. What am I successfully doing with you now.

                At the moment, you have violated several site rules, as well as an article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, which threatens you with up to two years in prison. Have a nice day 8)
              5. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 21 October 2013 15: 23
                +2
                Quote: Pimply
                At the moment, you have violated several site rules, as well as an article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, which threatens you with up to two years in prison.

                Threaten not tired?
              6. Pimply
                Pimply 21 October 2013 16: 01
                -1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Threaten not tired?

                These are not threats, why would. This is a reminder to people more often to look into the rules of the site and in the Criminal Code. Have you been banned yet?
              7. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 21 October 2013 19: 22
                +3
                Nobody banned me. You just too often in response to uncomfortable and inadequate questions begin to threaten the Criminal Code. Advice for the future — Inadequate, ignore, for example, as a Professor, but it is better to answer inconvenient honestly, and people will begin to perceive you according to human qualities, not national ones. hi
              8. Pimply
                Pimply 21 October 2013 19: 40
                0
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Ignore inadequate ones, like the Professor, for example, but it’s better to answer uncomfortable honestly, and people will begin to perceive you according to human qualities, not national

                You see, I don't want to ignore the bastards. There is such a thing - "the theory of clean windows". Have you heard? That is, if you allow the garbage to accumulate, and the scoundrels - to crap, others will reach for them.
                What should I adequately respond to? How did the Jews seize all the money in the world? Or how is the Israeli army the most fascist army in the world? Or even some anti-Semitic hysterical nonsense. Sorry no. I will either bring this person to a ban or to court. You and I live in Russia? But nobody canceled the legislation of the Russian Federation. And there is a clear article there: inciting national isolation. And I am for compliance with the laws.
      2. Dezzed
        Dezzed 21 October 2013 21: 05
        0
        tired of the order comrade
    2. smile
      smile 22 October 2013 04: 31
      +2
      Pimply
      EEEE ... of this ... well, I hope you won’t say that Jews like your opponent are also enough, because you are no different from us ... is it not? :)))
  • In the reeds
    In the reeds 21 October 2013 20: 13
    +1
    Denis! I myself love "Bloody battle ... Saber vodka horse hussar ..." I confess it is sinful. Only there was none of this.
  • smirnov
    smirnov 21 October 2013 12: 38
    0
    There is such a ship: "Mavi Marmara" like ... wink
    1. Denis_469
      Denis_469 21 October 2013 12: 42
      +1
      This was the same Iranian ship sunk by a submarine off the coast of Sudan ?????
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 11
        +2
        Google has banned you.
        1. Denis_469
          Denis_469 21 October 2013 13: 21
          0
          No, I haven’t been banned. I just know that he was not in the Red Sea off the coast of Sudan. And that ship was not Iranian.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 33
            +4
            Quote: Denis_469
            No, I haven’t been banned. I just know that he was not in the Red Sea off the coast of Sudan. And that ship was not Iranian.

            The irony towards you, expressed by other users, you, too, do not understand the campaign
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 8 November 2013 07: 13
    0
    Quote: Denis_469
    "As a result of their active and coordinated actions with intelligence, a large number of ships with weapons for Palestinian terrorists were sunk." - I personally know only about 1 sunken Palestinian transport, on which there were no weapons. It was generally empty before loading. All other "victories" of Israel are a fiction of the Israelis to show their cool to their people and the whole world.

    "The most significant operations of the 13rd 2000th recent years can be undoubtedly considered the interception of ships with weapons. Hundreds of tons of various weapons from grenades to anti-ship missile systems did not reach the Lebanese and Palestinian addressees." - how many did not look for confirmation of all the statements of the Israeli Navy in the 2010s - XNUMXs about the sinking of the type of ships with weapons by their submarines and combat swimmers - and did not find a single victory. It seems that all these "victories" are the fruit of fiction of the Israeli Navy for the press. Like to show how cool they are and do something there.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az1HW0sGkEo
  • Katsin1
    Katsin1 21 October 2013 10: 41
    +2
    Most of the operations of Ш13 are classified, and it’s good that this is so. Enter Karin A into the search engine and read what they write
    1. Denis_469
      Denis_469 21 October 2013 10: 49
      +4
      Yes, Israeli secrecy presents no problems. She that is, that she is not. Do you understand?
      The thing is that the Israelis can secret everything that they please. But statements about the sinking of ships are easily verified. Because each ship has its own name and its own country. And because the death or loss of ships is relatively easy to find. It was even possible to find captures by fighters of this division of ships in the Persian Gulf. About this, the author was shy to write. But in vain. 2 Israeli submarines captured 4 vessels. And the Navy of Iraq, in repelling the attack, captured 2 Israelis with their inflatable boat.

      You see - I personally do not care about all the secrets of all countries of the world. I check the data on lost ships and ships as a result of these actions. And if suddenly Israel declared, but in that area within a few days no one was killed at all, then it is clear that this is only an invention of the Israelis for the press.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 21 October 2013 11: 20
        -4
        Quote: Denis_469
        You see - I personally do not care about all the secrets of all countries of the world. I check the data on lost ships and ships as a result of these actions. And if suddenly Israel declared, but in that area within a few days no one was killed at all, then it is clear that this is only an invention of the Israelis for the press.

        Israel did not declare the destruction of ships. Israel is generally very silent in this regard. There were several major interceptions.
        1. Denis_469
          Denis_469 21 October 2013 11: 30
          +2
          What are you? Didn’t he say that? Declared, and more than once. She especially likes to brag about successes in the Red Sea near Sudan. Type anyway, no one will check.
          You doubt that the Israeli Navy stated-so Google to help. The area and what to look for I have already written.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 21 October 2013 11: 54
            +1
            Quote: Denis_469
            What are you? Didn’t he say that? Declared, and more than once. She especially likes to brag about successes in the Red Sea near Sudan. Type anyway, no one will check.

            More specifically, please. Examples. I think if you are such a specialist, it will not be difficult for you to find them. And quote.
            1. Denis_469
              Denis_469 21 October 2013 12: 27
              +1
              I won’t do everything - I don’t work for you. Therefore, I believe that one thing is enough:

              http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3706989,00.html

              Try to find the sunken ship the sinking of which the Israelis claimed.

              If you are more interested, then search for yourself.
              1. Professor
                Professor 21 October 2013 12: 42
                +1
                Quote: Denis_469
                Here is a statement by the Israeli Navy about the sinking of the ship.

                I looked through all my eyes, but I never saw the statements of the Israeli Navy. There is a link to the Egyptian media and to CBS. Where is the statement?
                1. Denis_469
                  Denis_469 21 October 2013 12: 48
                  0
                  With your Israeli search engine, type the same thing in Hebrew. And then you will see. I don’t know Hebrew, therefore I experience some difficulties in obtaining information from Israel. So I had to abandon the scans of a pair of attacks of Israeli pln 2000's. Because I could not understand anything from this language. Scans from the ZhBD pl.

                  I saw the statement somehow translating the text from English into Hebrew and the subsequent search. But now I can’t find him. Because in Hebrew it displays all sorts of crap that is difficult to understand even with computer translation.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 21
                    +1
                    Quote: Denis_469
                    With your Israeli search engine, type the same thing in Hebrew. And then you will see. I don’t know Hebrew, therefore I experience some difficulties in obtaining information from Israel. So I had to abandon the scans of a pair of attacks of Israeli pln 2000's. Because I could not understand anything from this language. Scans from the ZhBD pl.


                    Google to help you. The same thing is written in Hebrew.

                    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3706969,00.html
                    http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/883/215.html
                    http://www.calcalist.co.il/local/articles/0,7340,L-3273264,00.html

                    Everywhere clearly says "Egyptian weekly Al-Usba reports."

                    Quote: Denis_469
                    I saw the statement somehow translating the text from English into Hebrew and the subsequent search. But now I can’t find him. Because in Hebrew it displays all sorts of crap that is difficult to understand even with computer translation.


                    "I saw, somewhere, once, I cannot find." I didn't see. You put forward the point of view that "the Jews are lying", "the Israeli Navy is lying." Prove.
                    1. Denis_469
                      Denis_469 21 October 2013 13: 24
                      +2
                      Quote: Pimply
                      "I saw, somewhere, once, I cannot find." I didn't see. You put forward the point of view that "the Jews are lying", "the Israeli Navy is lying." Prove.


                      I already told you that I do not work for you. You wish me to teach you and dispel your nonsense the honesty of Israel - then go ahead. Hired, paid and then asked. I have to say right away - I don’t take less green llama, except in exceptional cases. Always 100% prepayment with conversion to rubles.

                      I brought the information - do not like it - refute it. I have never seen any refutation of this information and an explanation of what the Israeli submarine sank for the ship.
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Denis_469
                        You wish me to teach you and dispel your nonsense the honesty of Israel - then go ahead. Hired, paid and then asked.

                        Illiterate. You can't even translate a text from English normally, where knowledge is not required. Where it is clearly written "Egyptian Weekly Reports".

                        They pay for normally done work. Why should I pay for marriage and illiteracy, for the inability to work with sources? For your hatred and inability to prove your point of view? Or for the inability to find a text that would confirm your beliefs?
                      2. Denis_469
                        Denis_469 21 October 2013 13: 52
                        +2
                        To be honest, I won’t work for you. In principle. Because I try not to have business with liars. If they lie in life, then they will steal salaries and do other nasty things.

                        I proved my innocence. But you have more than once been caught lying. And therefore, it makes no sense to communicate with a liar like you, I no longer have.

                        Until you say the name of the ship allegedly sunk by Israel in Sudan in 2009 will remain a liar.

                        On this communication and finish with you.
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 55
                        -2
                        Quote: Denis_469
                        To be honest, I won’t work for you. In principle. Because I try not to have business with liars. If they lie in life, then they will steal salaries and do other nasty things.

                        You accuse me of lying. Justify. Because otherwise - this is a violation of the rules of the site, as well as the administrative code of the Russian Federation - here you will face a fine.
                      4. Dezzed
                        Dezzed 21 October 2013 21: 10
                        -3
                        Denis, bring down the sausage on the small Spasskaya. Please
                  2. In the reeds
                    In the reeds 21 October 2013 20: 49
                    -1
                    Prove that you’re not a camel? More and more with you nothing ...
                  3. Ascetic
                    Ascetic 21 October 2013 23: 03
                    +3
                    Quote: In the reeds
                    Prove that you’re not a camel? More and more with you nothing ...


                    Too shy to ask? Why did you not like my comment about the shark?

                    Quote: In the reeds
                    Like


                    Quote: In the reeds
                    camel

                    Yes?
                  4. Pimply
                    Pimply 21 October 2013 23: 44
                    0
                    Quote: Ascetic
                    Too shy to ask? Why did you not like my comment about the shark?

                    This is not for you, apparently, but for Denis
                  5. Ascetic
                    Ascetic 22 October 2013 00: 13
                    +3
                    Quote: Pimply
                    This is not for you, apparently, but for Denis


                    I mean minus crying
                  6. Pimply
                    Pimply 22 October 2013 00: 20
                    +1
                    Quote: Ascetic
                    I mean minus

                    And this, I think, is Denis.
              2. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 21 October 2013 23: 55
                +1
                Quote: Ascetic

                Too shy to ask? Why did you not like my comment about the shark?

                I apologize for the intervention, but your comment and illustration is just class! soldier
      2. Professor
        Professor 21 October 2013 13: 40
        +2
        Quote: Denis_469
        With your Israeli search engine, type the same thing in Hebrew. And then you will see.

        Thank you for sending to Google. A very productive conversation turned out.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 02
    +1
    Especially for you in the subtitle:

    Egyptian weekly says missiles fired by 'unidentified boat which may have been Israeli or American'

    The Egyptian weekly reports ...

    EGYPTIAN. That the translation is made from the Egyptian edition is clearly indicated. Where is the statement of the Israeli Navy, illiterate Are you mine?
    1. Professor
      Professor 21 October 2013 13: 42
      +4
      Quote: Pimply
      EGYPTIAN. That the translation is made from the Egyptian edition is clearly indicated. Where is the statement of the Israeli Navy, illiterate Are you mine?

      I remember the Egyptians complained that the mossad specifically ordered sharks to attack tourists in the Sinai. There has never been an official rebuttal of Israel! Hm ... lol
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 21 October 2013 14: 15
        +3
        Sharks were. A stork-spy with a gp-ring was also there. 8) What just wasn’t.

        As for the refutation - not right, it followed.
        The Israeli Foreign Ministry denied accusations that Israeli intelligence Mossad is behind a series of shark attacks on tourists in the Egyptian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, the BBC reports.
        Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Ygal Palmor denied the official's suggestion. "This man must have watched Jaws too often and confused fiction with reality," said Palmore.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 21 October 2013 15: 16
          +7
          Quote: Pimply
          The Israeli Foreign Ministry denied accusations that Israeli intelligence Mossad is behind a series of shark attacks on tourists in the Egyptian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, the BBC reports.

          Sharks are not the coolest weapons yet.
          what about selling jeans causing infertility among Bedouins and impotence among Bedouins?
          And the vulture spies with JP transmitters captured by Sudanese counterintelligence?
          Mossad eagles soar above the palaces of Arab sheikhs.
          And here are the Mossad war sharks who underwent giyur and special training in the Red Sea.
          Sorry Karish avatar changed he would have told smile
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 21 October 2013 15: 59
            +3
            Quote: Ascetic
            Sharks are not the coolest weapons yet.
            what about selling jeans causing infertility among Bedouins and impotence among Bedouins?
            And the vulture spies with JP transmitters captured by Sudanese counterintelligence?

            It seems that the locusts were also accused of 8))
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 21 October 2013 16: 07
            11
            And I believe. Palestinians you feed robots, a fact. And then the rest is true.

            Here are the next victims to eat.
          3. Pimply
            Pimply 21 October 2013 16: 09
            +5
            Quote: Spade
            And I believe. Palestinians you feed robots, a fact. And then the rest is true.

            Here are the next victims to eat.


            Are robots not human? They also want to eat!
      2. atalef
        atalef 21 October 2013 16: 40
        +4
        Switched to bats wassat change attendance, passwords, connected
      3. Ascetic
        Ascetic 21 October 2013 19: 03
        +4
        In 1993 with the light hand of Colonel-General Ladygin who was then chief of the GRU bat became a symbol of Russian military intelligence
        this sign was not worn in the GRU and in districts of districts and armies. However, it was widely distributed in units and subunits of military, artillery and engineering intelligence, as well as anti-sabotage combat.

        since 1998, the bat began to gradually displace the new symbol of military intelligence red carnation,
        in 2000 it became an element of the large emblem and the new GRU sleeve insignia and, finally, in 2005 it finally occupied a central place on all heraldic signs, including sleeve insignia. Carnations were very often used by Soviet intelligence as an identification mark. Well, the number of petals on the new emblem of military intelligence is five types of intelligence (land, air, sea, information, special), five continents on the globe, and five of the senses' most developed senses.



        Very often, individual units of the SPN troops use predatory animals and birds as their symbol. In the photo below, the emblem of military intelligence 551 oSpN included in the 10th regiment of GRU), symbolizes the wolf detachment, which, by the way, even in Soviet times, scouts revered, perhaps he was the second about popularity after the "mouse".


        So passwords and appearances are revealed, it's time to change belay
      4. atalef
        atalef 21 October 2013 22: 53
        +3
        Quote: Ascetic
        So passwords and appearances are revealed, it's time to change

        Well, not to go back to chupocabra laughingand the shark (karisha) has already been deciphered by the Egyptians
      5. Hleb
        Hleb 22 October 2013 06: 16
        +1
        this sign was not worn in the GRU and in districts of districts and armies. However, it was widely distributed in units and subunits of military, artillery and engineering intelligence, as well as anti-sabotage combat.

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  • smile
    smile 22 October 2013 04: 45
    +1
    Professor
    But sho, someone is delayed that Jewish sharks are to blame for everything? :)))

    Guys, I don’t like the policy of the state of Israel, but I don’t like your opponents like me above .... shame on the jungle, what can I say .... :))))
    1. Hug
      Hug 22 October 2013 22: 22
      +1
      ???????????????????
  • Dezzed
    Dezzed 21 October 2013 21: 09
    +1
    are you all right comrade ?!

    In Russian it is written: "Egyptian weekly says missiles fired by 'unidentified boat which may have been Israeli or American'"
  • patrianostra
    patrianostra 21 October 2013 10: 52
    +9
    The victories of such units will always be under the stamp of owls secretly. And defeats with the help of enlightened (not without help) journalists of fighters for truth are becoming known to the general public. The operation to detain the ship Mavi Marmara is generally a classic of the genre. The vessel could be stopped without landing on it by simply drowning on its course fragments of fishing nets that would be wound on the ship's propellers and the end of the matter. It's just because the Mediterranean Sea is a huge rubbish so I write because I dive in it and all sorts of trash like networks there are a great many.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 21 October 2013 11: 21
      +2
      Intelligence worked there. Clearly and unequivocally.
  • LSV
    LSV 21 October 2013 12: 16
    +5
    Liked. It is clear that not everything is disclosed about the history of this special service and the details of what is disclosed we will not know, but still interesting. I have not read this series of articles, now I will read it. Thank.
    1. Denis_469
      Denis_469 21 October 2013 12: 32
      -1
      In this series of articles there is nothing interesting at all. The usual Israeli propaganda written by a man very far from information and only on the basis of Israeli rumors and gossip.
      1. Professor
        Professor 21 October 2013 12: 36
        +4
        Quote: Denis_469
        In this series of articles there is nothing interesting at all. The usual Israeli propaganda written by a man very far from information and only on the basis of Israeli rumors and gossip.

        Enlighten us, write the truth. wink
        1. Denis_469
          Denis_469 21 October 2013 12: 41
          +2
          So this year did not work out somehow. They wanted to publish my chronicle of attacks just in Israel. :)))

          Because nothing better in the world at the moment has not yet been created. But it did not work out. The reason is only in the theme of the chronicle. This is not a very profitable commercial publication, because it had to be distributed immediately around the world, since in each individual country the number of people interested in topics is small.

          Maybe in 2014 there will be a second attempt to publish a chronicle. It is unlikely in Israel this time, rather in Russia or the United States.
          1. Professor
            Professor 21 October 2013 12: 43
            +3
            Quote: Denis_469
            So this year did not work out somehow. They wanted to publish my chronicle of attacks just in Israel. :)))

            Why go so far? Please us on this resource. Say a word to you in front of the administration? wink
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 24
              +3
              Quote: Denis_469
              So this year did not work out somehow. They wanted to publish my chronicle of attacks just in Israel. :)))

              Considering the way you translate, I doubt very much that anyone would publish anything with your “professionalism” and “skill” of working with sources. "EGYPTIAN WEEKLY REPORTS" shines twice in your eyes, you - "Oh, this is undoubtedly the statement of the Israeli Navy." Bravo.
  • Denis_469
    Denis_469 21 October 2013 12: 45
    -1
    Quote: Professor
    Why go so far?

    Well, a link to the chronicle here:
    http://sovpl.forum24.ru/?0-3-0

    Quote: Professor
    Say a word to you in front of the administration?

    But why?
    1. Professor
      Professor 21 October 2013 13: 45
      +3
      Quote: Denis_469
      Well, a link to the chronicle here:
      http://sovpl.forum24.ru/?0-3-0

      What a progress. Already a link to Google, but to the forum. Is there anything closer to the point?
    2. In the reeds
      In the reeds 21 October 2013 21: 12
      -1
      Plus, for your stamina +
  • Denis_469
    Denis_469 21 October 2013 13: 04
    -1
    Quote: Pimply
    Where is the statement of the Israeli Navy, illiterate Are you mine?



    Do not turn on the fool. Because I have written more than once in the subject that I myself do not know Hebrew and use translations.
    Seek a statement from the Israeli Navy in Hebrew in Israel.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 35
      +2
      Quote: Denis_469
      Do not turn on the fool. Because I have written more than once in the subject that I myself do not know Hebrew and use translations.
      Seek a statement from the Israeli Navy in Hebrew in Israel.

      Not found. Because he was not there.
      Any official statement by the Israeli Navy or government is translated into English and Arabic: officially, all statements use these three languages.
      In addition, journalists also translate these official statements into several dozen languages. So find at least in English. Forward.
      1. Denis_469
        Denis_469 21 October 2013 13: 39
        -1
        Quote: Pimply
        Not found. Because he was not there.


        Because he was either removed or turned on a fool and did not write what he found.
        In Israel, information that is unsightly for him is often deleted from the Internet.
        There it is called censorship.


        Quote: Pimply
        Any official statement by the Israeli Navy or government is translated into English and Arabic: officially, all statements use these three languages.

        Another lie. Translated, but not all. And those that relate to the actions of special forces are not being transferred.

        Have you seen a lot of statements by the Israeli Navy regarding the attack on ships off the coast of Iraq and the release of captured Israeli combat swimmers?
        1. Professor
          Professor 21 October 2013 13: 47
          +6
          Quote: Denis_469
          Another lie. Translated, but not all. And those related to the actions of special forces are not being translated

          You see, I don’t speak Hebrew, there is a problem with English, but you know everything. Teach me too.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 21 October 2013 14: 02
          +6
          Quote: Denis_469
          Because he was either removed or turned on a fool and did not write what he found.

          You are not familiar with such a thing as a cache? He saves everything. Any official statement by the Israeli Navy is instantly reprinted by all major media outlets. Are they removed too?

          Quote: Denis_469
          In Israel, information that is unsightly for him is often deleted from the Internet.
          There it is called censorship.

          Examples in the studio. How exactly. From which Internet?


          Quote: Denis_469
          Another lie. Translated, but not all. And those that relate to the actions of special forces are not being transferred.

          You, I see, are familiar with the official policies of the state of Israel and with regulatory documents?
          Then you may be aware that most major publications in Israel have Hebrew-speaking correspondents and producers who regularly monitor the news feed?


          Quote: Denis_469
          The Israeli Navy has seen many statements regarding an attack on ships off the coast of Iraq

          Here is more detailed. This is already quite interesting.
  • Denis_469
    Denis_469 21 October 2013 13: 14
    -2
    Quote: Pimply
    WHERE?

    http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3083,00.html

    This is an Israeli edition. And 1 the link given from there in the subject is also there.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 21 October 2013 13: 36
      +2
      Quote: Denis_469
      This is an Israeli edition. And 1 the link given from there in the subject is also there.

      An Israeli private publication that officially writes: "THE EGYPTIAN WEEKLY REPORTS". Where is the statement of the Israeli Navy?
  • mizantrop22
    mizantrop22 21 October 2013 19: 36
    +1
    Quote: Denis_469
    In this series of articles there is nothing interesting at all. The usual Israeli propaganda written by a man very far from information and only on the basis of Israeli rumors and gossip.


    Is the author of the article Israeli?
  • Tourist Breakfast
    Tourist Breakfast 21 October 2013 21: 10
    +5
    The biggest tragedy of the unit was the night of 5 on September 1997. A squad of 16 fighters was on a secret mission in Lebanon and ended up in a well-organized Hezbollah trap. On the route of the detachment were powerful land mines.


    An interesting fact - in this battle, the commander of a marine special forces group, Lt. Col. Yossi Kurakin, whose great-grandfather was the Russian peasant Agafon Kurakin from the village of Solodniki in the Astrakhan province, was killed. Agafon Kurakin belonged to subbotniks and, like many of them, moved with his whole family to Israel at the end of the 19th century.
  • nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 21 October 2013 21: 15
    +1
    When the military "even though the elite" is not used for its intended purpose, it ends badly. It is one thing to capture an Enemy ship, and another to stop a civilian ship. A Kalash and they are in use! And the article is vague and about everything and nothing. It's a pity.
  • sergey261180
    sergey261180 21 October 2013 21: 24
    0
    One of the activists next to the captured battered soldier Sh'13, right index finger raised up - a symbol of Islamists.
    Cap?
  • George
    George 21 October 2013 21: 47
    +2
    Hello all.
    I apologize for writing my post here (it concerns the operation in Uganda), but I ask you to enlighten me on a couple of issues.
    I read a book about stratagems and their use in life. Voevodin "Stratagems".
    Making crazy gestures without losing balance is a stratagem.
    Make the enemy underestimate your capabilities, abilities,
    intelligence, awareness.
    And as an example, an operation is given.
    So in the book it is written that there were 6 — 4 Hercules and 2 Boeing airplanes (in one Boeing was the headquarters and communications center, and in the other - the hospital), the Hercules transported commandos and cars.
    The article refers only to Hercules.
    One more thing . The book talks about the trick of Israeli specialists, which was to select a limousine that looked like two limousines to President Amin's limousine, which made the guard confused.
    There is not a word about this in the article.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 21 October 2013 23: 59
      +3
      You have absolutely pointed out the lack of your points. There was one more about which they could tell only in the 2006 year. Kenya not only provided refueling of Israeli aircraft on the way back, but also allowed a large group of Israeli paratroopers to go through its territory to the borders with Uganda, in order to cover the drought by land if necessary.
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  • faraon
    faraon 22 October 2013 04: 15
    +2
    Many thanks to the author of the article, the work has been done very large, military units performing both subversive and reconnaissance functions have been thoroughly and truthfully described. Yes, of course not everything went smoothly, but what can you do about it, and there is no war without casualties on both sides.
  • George
    George 22 October 2013 08: 58
    +3
    Aron Zawi,
    Thank you, the operation is certainly insane in daring, but deserves a place in the textbooks.
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 8 November 2013 07: 18
    0
    Quote: Denis_469
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az1HW0sGkEo


    About Iranian arms smuggling to terrorists here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh-pnuMJh3o