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The history of the Israeli special forces. Part three

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The history of the Israeli special forces. Part three

Division MATCAL



Jonathan

4 July 1976 - the most famous page in stories divisions MATKAL. The board of Air France was on the eve captured by terrorists and hijacked to Uganda. The plane landed at Entebbe airport under the protectorate of Ugandan President Idi Amin.

Despite the fact that the African dictator used to study flight courses in Israel, the political leadership failed to convince him to resolve the situation peacefully. Go Amin generally liked the situation.

Terrorists from the PFLP and the German terrorist organization Revolutionary Cells captured 248 passengers and 12 crew members from various countries. The whole world was closely watching the situation and Idi Amin was bathing in the glory.

Soon the terrorists freed all the hostages except the Israelis and the Jews (checked by name). The French crew, at the initiative of the captain, refused to leave the passengers and stayed with the Jews.

It was hard to imagine that Israel would decide to operate for 3800 kilometers from its border, in the heart of a not-so-friendly Africa. But the then leadership of the country went for broke.

The operation was very carefully prepared. In strict secrecy, an operational headquarters was created. Immediately, several departments began to carefully develop an assault plan, collecting any information by grain.

The Foreign Intelligence Service has provided detailed drawings, photographs and reports on the airport and on Uganda as a whole. The main role in the development of the plan was played by Colonel Ehud Barak and Colonel Shai Tamari, as well as an employee of Mossad, Gal Schelma.

Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin did not rush to allow the operation, while then-Minister of Defense Shimon Peres insisted on an army variant of the decision.

Four Hercules C-130 cargo planes flew from Sharm al-Sheikh through the Red Sea to Kenya without waiting for a government decision. In Kenya, they refueled and headed for Entebe.

The best assault group of MATKAL fighters under the command of Colonel Netanyagu and the deputy major Muki Bezer took part in the operation.

Consolidated detachment from the landing brigade and the Golani brigade.

These were mainly fighters of brigade special forces. The task of which was to block the perimeter of the terminal, to ensure the smooth operation of the assault team, as well as the destruction of the aircraft of the Air Force and the Uganda radar in order to secure the evacuation. The command of the operation was assigned to the Army General Dan Shomron.

The first to land on Uganda were the boots of the paratrooper detachment under the command of Doron Almog. They took control of the perimeter of the runway and captured the control tower of the new terminal.


The landing of troops from the tail of the C-130 Hercules.



The same Mercedes with MATKAL fighters on board the Hercules C-130 aircraft.


Driving past the two guards of the Ugandan army, the convoy lingered. Instead of ignoring them, Yoni Netanyagu ordered to neutralize the guards and fired Beretta M71 pistols with a silencer at them, but one of the guards survived and tried to resist, AK shots and machine gun fire alerted the soldiers.

The effect of surprise was lost and the cars rushed to the terminal. Flour Bezer and his detachment went to storm the terminal, and Yoni moved to the previously planned collection point outside. At the same time, a battle began with the soldiers guarding the terminal.

Fearing that they strongly detained Bezer’s group, Yoni raised his men to the attack and began to attack. A minute later, a soldier from the tower shot at Yoni, a bullet hit him in the head. Yoni died before the evacuation.

The command of the entire assault group took Muki Bezer. In the terminal hall there were five terrorists, the assault group destroyed them on the move. One special forces soldier was injured.

A hostage was also killed by the fire of terrorists, and a young Belgian Jew was killed by special forces, who for some reason jumped to his feet during the assault and was shot by mistake.

At this time, a group of paratroopers seized the new terminal, having one wounded. Two armored personnel carriers led by Shaul Mofaz suppressed gun emplacements on the towers, and the Omer Bar Leva group destroyed the Uganda Air Force MiG-17 fighters.

Soon all the released hostages were loaded onto planes and headed for Kenya. Uganda was left without an air force, the soldiers at Idi Amin were fewer at 45.


Go Amin and Yasser Arafat, friendly photo.


One hostage 75-year-old Dora Bloch was hospitalized at a local hospital on the eve of the assault. Later, enraged, Idi Amin ordered two officers of the special services to kill her.

The special division of the General Staff lost its commander, one of Israel’s best sons, Jonathan Netanyahu. Another fighter was seriously wounded from a pistol into the spine and remained paralyzed.

Nevertheless, this operation went down in history as one of the most successful and complex. And if no one argues with the first, the second statement makes the Israeli military smile.

The seizure of the Air France plane and the Sabena plane, as well as a number of high-profile acts of air piracy, were planned by the Palestinian PFLP activist Wadi Haddad, who closely cooperated with the KGB of the USSR.

Kindergarten

7 April 1980. Five Palestinian terrorists infiltrated Israel’s northern border and took 8 children hostage in Kibbutz Misgaw Am. On the threshold of the house with the children, one of the kibbutz residents was killed trying to prevent the terrorists.

Again, demands were made. The same evening, the reconnaissance company of the Golani brigade attempted to storm the house, but the assault was stopped by an order of the commander-in-chief.

When attempting to assault a soldier was killed. It was only in the morning that a successful assault was already carried out by the safet MATKAL. Hostages were released, the terrorists were killed. One child died whose terrorists killed at night.


Shops and cartridges for AK among children's dolls. Picture taken after the assault.


Lebanon war

In 1982, another war began - the Lebanon war (today it is the First Lebanon). The MATKAL detachment, which consisted mainly of new recruits who had just completed accelerated courses, was attached to an engineering company that conducted demining in South Lebanon.

On June 9, a part of the detachment advanced for reconnaissance and occupied the height north of Mount Hermon with a good view - the situation was absolutely calm. In the morning, around 9: 00, the position of the special forces was first discovered by a Syrian helicopter. The fighters opened fire and the helicopter disappeared.

The commander of the detachment, Lieutenant Ilan Dvir, decided to change the position, going deeper a little further north. Despite the fact that his link was the youngest call in MATKAL and has not yet completed the full cycle of preparation.

Suddenly, a strange picture emerged in front of the detachment's eyes - in the valley, they walked calmly to their full height around 30-Syrian commandos. They moved across a high wheat field and were clearly visible.

At some point, Ilana even offended the negligence of the Syrian commander. But troubles soon began. Israeli armored personnel carriers behind the detachment became targets for the Syrian shelling.

One of the missiles landed right on the position of the special forces and seriously wounded one soldier (he died three days later). It turned out that the chosen position was not so successful, since there were many dead zones in the valley below them.

In one of these dead zones, they did not notice the second detachment of Syrian DSB. A small squad of novice MATKAL was under the crossfire of the enemy.

Hearing the shooting, a young officer from artillery troops rushed to the position immediately attached to the detachment for the interaction of the armed forces. In addition to everything, Ilan Dvir lost contact with the command, the radio did not work, or rather received the signal, but the transmission did not work.

Then Ilan sent four fighters to the rear to report that they had fallen. The rest of the fighters Dvir ordered to open fire, but only on the upcoming Syrians. Yet the position of special forces at a height was much better than the Syrians in the valley.

But the lieutenant ordered not to shoot at static targets, but only to cut off attempts at the offensive. In general, according to the memories of the lieutenant, at that time he was sure that the situation was completely under control and there were no problems. Since the enemy was at a glance, and he and the fighters in a comfortable defensive position.

But his platoon consisted of twenty inexperienced young fighters who had not yet understood that this was a real fight. But this was perfectly understood by the commander of the training (preparatory) company MATKAL located behind the rear of the Ilan detachment.

Hearing that the squad of newcomers lit up at the height and got involved in a battle with several dozen Syrian commandos, Shay Avital quickly ordered all the nearest units to abandon their affairs and focus on the Ilan group, realizing that history smells like serious complications.

The first responded to the order was Major Moshe (Boogie) Ayalon (the future commander-in-chief of the IDF), at that time, Shaya’s deputy for the training company MATKAL. Ayalon, with a detachment entrusted to him, carried out a sweep near the lying villages of the terrorists.

Being a couple of kilometers from the site, Ayalon receives a report that the large Syrian forces in trucks are being pulled to the height where the Ilan squad is defending. Moshe Ayalon goes on the run and soon comes to the position of Ilan.

Young people are ordered to retreat, leaving more experienced fighters in their positions. But since Ilan has already established himself in position, he is not in a hurry to carry out this order. Meanwhile, Syrian reinforcement continues to arrive.

Syrian infantry fighting vehicles also appear in the valley to cover the offensive commandos. The distance to them was more than 1200 meters, which did not allow the fighters to effectively use the M47 Dragon rocket.

Then the squad Ayalon decided to reduce the distance while leaving a more advantageous defensive position. But at that time lieutenant-artilleryman Shamil Peleg, who had been working with special forces for two months, reached the top.


Art corrector Shamil Peleg, South Lebanon 1982.


After examining the battlefield, he recalled that the situation was similar to the tactical game that they had been working out the other day. And the lieutenant takes a bold decision to use cluster shells.

Prior to this, the IDF did not use them in a combat situation, and today it does not use them - this weapon Has a reputation for inaccurate with a high radius of scatter. In each such projectile 88 armor-piercing grenades.

Lt. Peleg makes a decision and causes artillery fire on Syrian positions with cluster shells. In minutes, the alignment on the field has changed. Eight infantry fighting vehicles were hit, crews and attack aircraft began to scatter in panic, 40 Syrians killed by artillery fire.


AOI soldiers consider battered BMP. 1982 South Lebanon.


16 April 1988 was killed in Tunisia by Abu Jihad - one of the key figures of Palestinian terror. There is still no official version. A number of foreign sources claim that this is the work of MATCAL.

I personally strongly doubt this, if this is the work of the Israeli special services, it is clearly not the special forces of the General Staff. Such work, as a rule, is performed by the Mossad illegal agents.

28 July 1989. Special Forces, on a tip from intelligence, conducted a jewelry operation. In 2, at night, a special forces detachment abducted Abdal Karim Obeid, the leader of the Hezbollah Shiite terrorist organization in southern Lebanon, from his home.

The abduction was part of an exchange plan for Israeli airborne navigator Ron Arad, who was captured by Hezbollah. The deal did not take place, the fate of Ron Arad is not known to this day.

Sheikh Obeid was released after 15 years in prison at 2004 in exchange for returning the bodies of the abducted Israeli soldiers and in exchange for a former high-ranking army officer abducted by Hezbollah abroad.

In order to learn more about the fate and whereabouts of Ron Arad, the soldiers of MATKAL also kidnapped the commander of the group that captured Arad, Mustafa Dirani. But he was eventually released on an exchange in 2004.

Second Lebanon
2 August 2006. The special unit of MATKAL together with the special forces of the Air Force Shaldag raided the Hezbollah Headquarters in Baalbek, Lebanon.

During the operation, Hezbollah’s 19 fighters were killed, documents, media, and prisoners were captured. One soldier was slightly injured.

But after seventeen days, the detachment returned to the Baalbek area and joined the battle during which a division officer and two soldiers were killed.

Dips

The loudest failure of the special forces of the General Staff was the operation to free the hostages in Maalot 15 in May 1974. Three well-armed terrorists infiltrated the city of Maalot in northern Israel.

They shot the car, then killed a Jewish family including a pregnant woman and a small child. Then, in the morning, they broke into a school where a large group of schoolchildren from the neighboring town of Safed spent the night.

They drove everyone into one class, set explosives and laid out grenades. The terrorists let one student drop to pass the demands, another part escaped during the capture itself.

In the morning, in the hands of terrorists there were more than 80 schoolchildren, mostly girls. By morning, there were guys from the special forces of the General Staff, and Moshe Dayan - then the Minister of Defense.

It was decided to wear down the terrorists by negotiations and take the school by storm. Fresh was the memory of the recent success with the plane Sabena.

But the situation here arose much more complicated. Mota Gore, the then head of the General Staff, insisted on continuing negotiations, Moshe Dayan insisted on a forceful solution with an assault.

In 17: 25 began the assault. It started very badly, the special forces sniper missed and only easily touched the terrorist, the groups were not synchronized to the beginning of the assault and he began erratically.

A group of fighters storming the entrance came under fire and one of the fighters voluntarily decided to throw a phosphorus grenade at a terrorist. The smoke from the grenade worsened the visibility in the corridor and the assault team passed the desired turn.

The terrorists realized what was happening and one of them threw grenades at the class and opened fire on the students. The children began to jump out the window and run away. The assault group realized its mistake and orientated it to kill the terrorists.

The consequences of the operation were tragic - almost all the children received injuries of varying degrees. 17 apprentices and 4 apprentices died in the assault. Another girl died of her injuries later.


The soldiers evacuate the wounded after the assault in Maalot.


This operation clearly demonstrated that in order to successfully free the hostages in such a difficult situation, much more than courage, heroism and combat experience are needed. This operation became a mourning day for the unit and for the State.

The fact is that in those years there were no concepts like HRT (Hostage Rescue Team), there were no specialized detachments sharpened for a specific primary task - to save hostages.

From a special unit originally created for special reconnaissance and sabotage operations, circumstances made a universal detachment to deal with all sorts of misfortunes that Israel has always lacked.

In most situations that occurred with the special forces of the General Staff, it worked. It worked thanks to the excellent combat and intellectual qualities of the fighters and good combat skills.

But this time the system failed - there was no time for proper preparation and per-second testing of the assault, there was no experience of such operations, there was no time to develop a thorough plan, punctures were discovered in the training of snipers. In other words, it was impossible to fly directly into the army and kill everyone.

It is this failed operation of army special forces that is considered the main reason for the creation in Israel of specialized units sharpened for the release of hostages as the main destination.

At present, the special forces of the General Staff MATKAL is still one of the most elite units of Israel. Half of the entire army and political elite of Israel left the ranks of this unit. Ministers, Commanders-in-Chief, Commanders of Host Clans, Politicians and Prime Ministers.

Today, in order to become a cadet in a department, one must pass a physical examination, a test of physical endurance, one common for different special forces and one special from MATKAL (5 days), then an even more detailed medical examination, psychological tests and interviews.

Also check for access to sensitive information. During this process, many interested people are eliminated and only a few get a chance to start the course of the young fighter.

The cadets spend the first 4 of the month at the combined-arms command and control center of the airborne brigade together with the paratroopers, then move on to special training.

It includes exhausting physical activities, navigation on the ground with elements of survival, masking on the ground, mountaineering, parachute training, hand-to-hand combat, handling of various types of weapons, various techniques and fire fighting tactics.

Constant emphasis is placed on the possibility of working under pressure and stress, the options for capturing the enemy, working with special means and much more are being worked out. The total duration of the preparatory courses is about two years.

Each fighter signs a contract for at least a year - that is, the minimum service life in a unit is four years. The names, faces and surnames of the active fighters are classified, operations are both current and most of the operations of previous years, too.

The fighters do not wear distinctive marks; as a rule, when they leave for dismissal, they are dressed in the uniform of the landing troops, the red one takes the paratrooper and the badge about the end of the parachute courses. Foreign analogs of MATCAL can be considered in relative order - the British SAS, the American DELTA, the Russian Vympel, and the GRU special forces.


Fighters matcal


Fighters MATKAL on the march. Fighter MATKAL poses with a Belgian machine gun FN Mag, the photo was taken in 60-x. Then officially this machine gun was not in service with Israel.


FN MAG FN MAG
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Articles from this series:
The history of the Israeli special forces. Part one
The history of the Israeli special forces. Part two
The history of the Israeli special forces. Part three
The history of the Israeli special forces. Part Four - Flotilla 13
The history of the Israeli special forces. Part Five - YAMAM
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  1. Katsin1
    Katsin1 19 October 2013 08: 27 New
    +8
    Abu Jihad was eliminated by Saeret Matkal. The current Minister of Defense Boogie Yaalon commanded the operation. Recently, they were allowed to publish a recording of the radio talks of this operation.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 19 October 2013 09: 13 New
      17
      Storming Entebbe is a classic of counter-terrorism. I have always been impressed by the desire of the Israelis to save the life of every soldier. They are not scattered by the lives of their soldiers and civilians. And also like the desire to avenge every dead. Unlike other countries for which a soldier is a consumable, you should not worry. For objectivity, it should be noted that among the Arabs there are heroes. What is the fighter who, on a glider, single-handedly entered a military base and shot dead 7 (if my memory serves me) Israelis.
      1. Srgsoap
        Srgsoap 19 October 2013 13: 07 New
        +3
        The film was shot, in my opinion, in 1977 and was called "Raid on Entebbe", if memory serves.
      2. Professor
        Professor 19 October 2013 13: 29 New
        +6
        Quote: xetai9977
        For objectivity, it should be noted that among the Arabs there are heroes. What is the fighter who, on a glider, single-handedly entered a military base and shot dead 7 (if my memory serves me) Israelis.

        Well, if we compare suicide terrorists (this is exactly what entered the warehouse on November 25, 1987 and killed 6 soldiers), then of course they are "heroes". There are those who blow themselves up in discos and buses, "heroes".

        PS
        In the course who neutralized this terrorist and what happened to the second?
        1. Katsin1
          Katsin1 19 October 2013 15: 10 New
          +6
          The capter neutralized the first, and the second in the security zone landed and was liquidated without loss
  2. kavkaz8888
    kavkaz8888 19 October 2013 08: 52 New
    -2
    "Foreign analogues of MATKAL can be considered in relative order - British SAS, American" DELTA ", Russian" Vympel "and special forces of the GRU."
    Our GRushnikov and Amersky Delta put in one row for fun?
    1. rero
      rero 20 October 2013 14: 24 New
      +4
      not the length of the joke, it was due to the profile of this subdivision, that is, there is a similarity of the kind of activity ..
      1. kavkaz8888
        kavkaz8888 20 October 2013 15: 41 New
        0
        This is clear. I'm talking about quality.
  3. Igor39
    Igor39 19 October 2013 09: 32 New
    +8
    19.00 the submarine "Tanan" landed on the approaches to the naval base in Alexandria 6 saboteurs. They were going to attack ships standing in the port. However, it turned out that Egyptian boats patrolled at the entrance and in the port basin, whose crews occasionally threw grenades into the water. Under such conditions, an attack from under the water was impossible. Commandos began to retreat. Due to the strong current and the loss of orientation, the swimmers were three hours late for a meeting with a submarine, which left without them. The group commander decided to seek shelter on the shore. There, the Israelis were about to wait a day, and then at night move to one of the merchant ships. This plan failed. The commandos were discovered by mobilized Egyptian fishermen who patrolled near the base. Moving away from the raid, the swimmers tried to get to the English cargo ship, but the Egyptians turned out to be more agile. Caught by the fishermen, the Israelis were transferred to the military gendarmes.
    The Israeli fleet’s raid on Port Said ended in failure. Semi-rigid inflatable boats with commandos on board managed to sneak into the port area, but it turned out that there were no such ships for which it was worth the risk. The raids to the Syrian ports of Tartus and Latakia also ended unsuccessfully.
  4. ilf
    ilf 19 October 2013 09: 58 New
    +7
    Thanks for the article was interesting, we look forward to further publications
  5. Ddhal
    Ddhal 19 October 2013 10: 32 New
    +8
    The desire of the country's leadership to save its citizens deserves the highest praise.
  6. Professor
    Professor 19 October 2013 13: 34 New
    +9
    I happened to visit one high-tech company in Migdal HaEmek. Their president showed me one swarthy bald man. Says: "This one was the driver of a Mercedes." "What kind of Mercedes", I asked him. "The one in Enteb." It was inconvenient to come up and speak, and probably everyone pulled him up with questions about the operation.
  7. Lopatov
    Lopatov 19 October 2013 16: 27 New
    +3
    AOI soldiers consider battered BMP. 1982 South Lebanon.


    It looks like she was not hit, but she herself burned down. Beh has such an unpleasant trait - to burn, if they are not really served.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 20 October 2013 08: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Spade
      It looks like she was not hit, but she herself burned down. Beh has such an unpleasant trait - to burn, if they are not really served.
      Technique in the hands savage Arab - a piece of iron.
  8. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 19 October 2013 16: 56 New
    15
    I like it more and more. My battalion commander on the urgent was an officer who started the First Lebanese platoon, and when we snotty recruits began in a tactics lesson, barking something about the coolness of the IDF compared to our opponents, it blew him up so much that we slept for three hours for two weeks, and So much theory has been dumped on us about the mistakes of our most selective parts that it has firmly set our brains in place. All practiced standard "movements" are correcting mistakes, for which they paid in blood. There are no supermen, but you can make strong professionals if you learn from the mistakes of your predecessors.
    1. Wooden jo
      Wooden jo 19 October 2013 17: 18 New
      +1
      Recently I watched a TV report about your People's Defense Army, so women serve there, so what I have to say, I was very surprised when everyone was lined up and the platoon commander, passing along the line, beat everyone on the shoulder, the aunties almost flew away, please tell me, What is the use of the fact that this auntie caught a blow on the "plywood", so her fighting spirit rose? Or so she will be ready to meet the bullet, so to speak, fully armed? And yet, Aron, under the Wailing Wall really are trilithons and megaliths weighing from six hundred tons? On what ancient foundation does the revered monument stand? What is such a powerful foundation in the layers of the oldest breed, what does your historiography say about this?
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 19 October 2013 17: 35 New
        +7
        Well, how can I tell you. In AOI, as in any other army, its own silly traditions are enough, in which I personally do not see any sense. As for the mass of megaliths, that is, up to one hundred tons. Herod the Great generally suffered from gigantomania.
      2. atalef
        atalef 19 October 2013 17: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: WoodenJoe
        And yet, Aron, do Trilithons and megaliths weighing six hundred tons or more lie under the Wailing Wall?

        Under the wall, at the basement level, there is an excursion (because the western wall itself (only a piece of which (opposite the place where the FER was) is called the Wailing Wall (although in Hebrew it is simply the Western Wall),
        so the largest blocks are 13,6 * 3.3 * 4.6, and the weight is about 570 tons.
        http://www.prichal.com/phpnuke/node/3217
      3. Rumata
        Rumata 19 October 2013 18: 14 New
        +6
        Quote: WoodenJoe
        I was very surprised when everyone was lined up and the platoon commander, passing along the line, beat everyone in the shoulder, the aunties almost flew away, please tell me what the point is that this aunt caught a blow on the "plywood"

        I only met this when I awarded distinguishing badges at the end of the courses. Type they put on a uniform, and the commander prints. It was so customary with us after the end of the parachute jump course.

        They took a badge, removed clips, put on a uniform and the commander typed. Perhaps they have similar jokes ...
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 19 October 2013 17: 23 New
      +2
      Absolutely right. I remember how, using the example of the film "Shtei Etzbaot Me-Tsidon," they were dismantling the shoals of the soldiers and the commander.
      1. atalef
        atalef 19 October 2013 17: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: Pimply
        I remember how, using the example of the film "shtei etzbaot me-tsidon", the shoals of the soldiers and the commander were dismantled

    3. smile
      smile 19 October 2013 17: 36 New
      +5
      Aaron Zawi
      Yes, your battalion commander is a worthy man. Once upon a time, I experienced something similar ... only we didn’t even bark .... :)))) If you had no such battalion, you could fuck off. Question - I have repeatedly heard from your compatriots that among the Arab states, the Jordanian infantry is the most combat-ready. Is it true? If true, then why, in your opinion? If not laziness, answer, curious.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 19 October 2013 17: 51 New
        +4
        The Arab Legion - yes. They always had a very serious attitude to the service, plus initially it consisted mainly of Berbers personally loyal to the king. They were trained by the British, the troops had strict discipline. They always fought fiercely. That is, at the time of the Arab-Israeli wars, these were well-trained and well-armed units, the basis of which were professionals led by British officers.

        Well and then - traditions also remained.

        For the Syrians and Egyptians, the basis of the army was from poorly trained, illiterate recruits. Later, they seriously began to prepare.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 19 October 2013 17: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: Pimply
          The Arab Legion - yes. They always had a very serious attitude to the service, plus initially it consisted mainly of Berbers personally loyal to the king. .

          Bedouins.
          1. atalef
            atalef 19 October 2013 18: 10 New
            +5
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Bedouin

            Well, the personal guard of the King of Jordan is the Circassians (by the way, an example of how the king trusts his people, 60% of the population of Jordan are Palestinians)
            Therefore, the elite of the army is the Bedouins, and the personal guard is the Circassians.
            By the way, the Circassians also serve in the Israeli army.
            1. In the reeds
              In the reeds 20 October 2013 12: 40 New
              0
              I remembered, many years ago, after another terrorist attack, the country in mourning and snot ... Night program Zhozhu Abuttbul on sieves "Bet". "My son is" left-wing "," he said and added; "There are thorns in the field of flowers ..." "So he said, dad in this country will not be in order until all 120 Knesset members are Circassians and Russians."
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 19 October 2013 18: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Bedouins.
            The rights I wrote them in - I myself do not understand 8)
  9. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 19 October 2013 17: 46 New
    +6
    I will express my opinion. The fact is that the Jordanian army was mainly equipped with Bedouins and one unit traditionally received conscripts from the same tribe. Well, the British infantry school from the thirties was very heavily cultivated in the Jordanian army.
  10. Forward
    Forward 20 October 2013 08: 58 New
    0
    In the 2006 war, Hamas inflicted a serious defeat on the IDF. In particular, the Golani team suffered a lot. So I think that the development of special units of Israel right now has reached a new qualitative level.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 20 October 2013 09: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: Forward
      In the 2006 war, Hamas inflicted a serious defeat on the IDF. In particular, the Golani team suffered a lot.

      Are you talking about Bint Jbale? Eight people are for the Israeli army, of course, heavy losses, but there all kinds of special forces would not help. A change of command would help there. Which announced the capture of the village three days before the start of the assault, and therefore was forced to act while sitting in a frying pan.
      1. Forward
        Forward 20 October 2013 11: 40 New
        0
        Sorry, I made a reservation! I did not mean Hamas but Hesbollah. And about Bint Jbale including! We will probably never know about the real combat losses of the Israeli army since the numbers are classified. But far from 8 soldiers died during the fighting, as the official release testifies. In addition, the Hesbollah fighters inflicted serious damage on the armored forces. According to my information, not only 10 armored personnel carriers were shot down but also several Merkava and Akhzaritov tanks. In addition, they shot down several helicopters. One of them is sanitary, only 9 people died in it. Knowing the approach of the leadership of the Israeli army to failures, I think far-reaching conclusions have been made.
        1. Professor
          Professor 20 October 2013 12: 17 New
          +4
          Quote: Forward
          We will probably never know about the real combat losses of the Israeli army since the numbers are classified

          For the 1000th time. Not a single victim of this war is classified because they don’t play such games in Israel. Stop talking nonsense.

          Quote: Forward
          But far from 8 soldiers died during the fighting, as the official release testifies.

          reference pliz

          Quote: Forward
          According to my information, not only 10 armored personnel carriers were shot down but also several Merkava and Akhzaritov tanks. In addition, they shot down several helicopters. One of them is sanitary, only 9 people died in it.

          Cool. And who is the source of your information? A sanitary helicopter? Oh well. fool

          PS
          Even such incidents fall on the front pages of newspapers, and you are here about concealing losses ...
          The self-willed paratroopers ended in a fight and firing in the air
          Three servicemen of the 101st battalion of the airborne brigade got drunk in a bar, had a fight with a standing soldier, one of the drunken men grabbed a weapon from a soldier and shot into the air, Ynet reports.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 20 October 2013 12: 29 New
          +5
          It is impossible to hide the casualties of the Israeli army.

          Remember the August of the eighth year, the statement of the Ministry of Defense that conscripts are not fighting. After what time was this disproved, and with the names, numbers of military units and units? That's right, in a day. And our country is slightly larger than Israel and information technology is less developed. And you may not be aware, but the network has an unofficial list of RA losses in the war with Georgia. All 64 surnames

          The only option is to hide, mercenaries from other countries who are not enough relatives-friends. But Israel was not seen in this
        3. Pimply
          Pimply 20 October 2013 12: 47 New
          +3
          According to official figures, the Israel Defense Forces lost 121 people killed, including two who died after the ceasefire entered into force. 400 soldiers were injured. The greatest losses occurred on 12 of August, when 24 Israeli soldiers died. One transport helicopter was also shot down, all crew members were killed.

          Tell you the names of the dead?

          The defeat is the situation that developed after the war, after which Hezbollah no longer risked shelling Israel, as it was before? Or after the IDF broke Hezbollah’s resistance and began to quickly move deep into Lebanon?
        4. faraon
          faraon 20 October 2013 13: 01 New
          +4
          And where do you take the respected one, such information. On this forum, probably everyone knows how many Merkov tanks were hit and how and where, and the names of the dead soldiers of the IDF (let it be remembered forever probably by name.
          Unlike other armies, the IDF does not conceal its losses, nor does it make a secret of analysis of military operations; there are corresponding commissions that investigate military operations from the first and last minutes of military operations, and then publish their findings in the press and other means of communication.
        5. atalef
          atalef 20 October 2013 21: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: Forward
          We will probably never know about the real combat losses of the Israeli army since the numbers are classified

          It’s good to carry the blizzard, well, indeed, they lifted up. All losses are transmitted to the media on radio and TV in the news, be sure, I can’t even imagine that some kind of family will say, and where is my son? Why didn’t they announce that he was killed or injured, where is he? Neither the IDF nor the Ministry of Defense will simply survive such a universal scandal. I'm not saying that anymore. that the chief of the General Staff and the Minister of Defense are immediately fleeing their posts, the damage to the Army will be simply irreparable. Three years ago there was a huge scandal. when the soldier was buried and not all the organs (after the autopsy) were returned to the body, they went to apologize from the Minister of Defense and the beginning. General Staff, to the head of the pathological laboratory. The scandal probably didn’t fade for a month.
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 20 October 2013 21: 22 New
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            All losses are transmitted to the media on radio and TV in the news, be sure, I can’t even imagine that some kind of family will say, and where is my son?


            there is such an expression, even everything secretive sooner or later becomes public.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 20 October 2013 12: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: Forward
      In the 2006 war, Hamas inflicted a serious defeat on the IDF.
      Hamas Hamas sobbed very loudly - all attention was paid to Lebanon, and Gaza was pressed very hard. Do you mean Hezbollah?
      1. Forward
        Forward 20 October 2013 13: 35 New
        +1
        I will try to answer everyone immediately as much as possible. This is not my first year on this site, but I rarely speak here. So I hope you understand that cheap authority in the form of virtual titles does not interest me. I’m not going to post any links and convince anyone of my innocence. But believe me, what I'm talking about is not a finger sucked. So your irony Mr. Professor is not appropriate. Regarding combat losses, Tsakhal is close to the truth Pupyrchaty. Above, I wrote that I made a reservation. This refers to Hisboll. I don’t know how Sheikh Nasrallah evaluates the results of that war, but the leadership of the Israeli army considered the operation a failure.
        1. faraon
          faraon 20 October 2013 14: 26 New
          +5
          . I don’t know how Sheikh Nasrallah evaluates the results of that war, but the leadership of the Israeli army considered the operation a failure.
          Yes, you can say that you are right about the outcome of the operation. They paid a lot for it, and no one hides it. The whole country watched the course of this conflict, my neighbor died a very young kid Philip Musko (let him have eternal memory). In my look, the main goals were nevertheless achieved, the bodies of the dead soldiers were returned to Israel and buried with all military honors. Hezbollah is underground, the main communications were destroyed, which economically and politically affected the state of Lebanon, and this undermined the influence of hezbollah on political, economic and social life. Lebanon.
          But as far as the Israeli army is concerned, in my opinion serious mistakes were made that were not permissible in the following conflicts, namely, there was no synchronization in military structures from the end of the war to the unpreparedness of the General Staff for this operation. countries realized that, army leadership should not be entrusted to random people for the sake of political conjuncture
        2. Professor
          Professor 20 October 2013 14: 28 New
          +4
          As you have noticed, I do not find fault with your reservation, but your allegations, apart from irony, do not cause anything. I can put you a list of the dead. Who is missing there?

          Quote: Forward
          I don’t know how Sheikh Nasrallah evaluates the results of that war, but the leadership of the Israeli army considered the operation a failure.

          Failed? Can you link where exactly the leadership of the Israeli army evaluates it?

          Quote: Forward
          But believe me, what I'm talking about is not a finger sucked.

          Let me, why on earth should you believe?
          1. Forward
            Forward 20 October 2013 16: 28 New
            +2
            Let me, why on earth should you believe?
            Believe or not believe your right! But you must admit, on top of the naivety bordering on stupidity, I don’t even know how to express myself, or insanity, it would be to bring to the general public all information regarding such things. Especially when it comes to the security of the army or the whole country. Or can I be cruelly mistaken? Can Beni Ganz be a romantic dreamer? And yet, there is information to which you simply can’t give links because it simply does not exist and cannot be on the Internet.
            1. Professor
              Professor 20 October 2013 17: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: Forward
              But you must admit, on top of naivety bordering on stupidity, I don’t even know how to express myself, or insanity, it would be to bring to the court of the general public all information concerning such things

              What things? How many soldiers died and how many tanks were lost? Yes, this huge military secret and its disclosure will change the course of history or at least undermine the fighting spirit of the army. laughing

              Quote: Forward
              Or can I be cruelly mistaken?

              Exactly. The concealment of losses will eventually come out and undermine the credibility of the army.

              Quote: Forward
              Can Beni Ganz be a romantic dreamer?

              Do you know him personally or read his memoirs?

              Quote: Forward
              And yet, there is information to which you simply can’t give links because it simply does not exist and cannot be on the Internet.

              And where is she from you there is? Personally, were there or read the report of the command of the northern district?
              1. Forward
                Forward 21 October 2013 11: 42 New
                -1
                You mister professor ask such questions that the thought involuntarily creeps in, do you work for Massad? Unfortunately, I think that further discussion of this topic here is futile. Let everyone remain in their opinion!
                1. Professor
                  Professor 21 October 2013 12: 17 New
                  0
                  Quote: Forward
                  You mister professor ask such questions that the thought involuntarily creeps in, do you work for Massad?

                  American and English intelligence.

                  Quote: Forward
                  Unfortunately, I think that further discussion of this topic here is futile.

                  Of course. You have "reliable sources of information", but not from the Internet, and you yourself did not participate in that war and live in Russia. Where are we going?

                  Quote: Forward
                  Let everyone remain in their opinion!

                  My opinion is that you just fantasized.
                  1. Forward
                    Forward 21 October 2013 12: 40 New
                    0
                    Premature conclusions are known to be erroneous! And how, let me find out such deep conclusions, from you, regarding my humble person? Where have I been or have not been? fantasize or not fantasize? Children under 30 will fantasize for you. And I, unfortunately, are not at the same age to fantasize or to amaze someone with the wonders of the epistolary genre. Once again, I repeat- Let everyone, in our opinion, remain !!! And let's respect the opinions of others. That is, in your case, we can do without irony and accusations of incompetence
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 21 October 2013 13: 36 New
                      0
                      Quote: Forward
                      fantasize or not fantasize

                      Here is where:
                      Quote: Forward
                      We will probably never know about the real combat losses of the Israeli army since the numbers are classified.


                      Quote: Forward
                      In addition, they shot down several helicopters. One of them is sanitary, only 9 people died in it.

                      About several helicopters, too, your fantasies as well as about the sanitary.

                      Quote: Forward
                      Where have I been or have not been?

                      I don’t know where you have been, but not in Lebanon in 2006. You are very "right" informed.

                      Quote: Forward
                      That is, in your case, we can do without irony and accusations of incompetence

                      The fact that you are not competent is already not visible with the naked eye, but about the irony:
                      Quote: Forward
                      You mister professor ask such questions that the thought involuntarily creeps in, do you work for Massad?
                      1. Forward
                        Forward 21 October 2013 13: 44 New
                        +1
                        Yes you so do not worry dear !!! And then I look you called directly a fountain of emotions. Yes, I am not informed as you are, unfortunately and incompetent like you. Well, okay, I think you will experience this fact somehow.
  11. In the reeds
    In the reeds 20 October 2013 14: 16 New
    +3
    Unfortunately, you are right. The second Lebanese was a failure. But the Army is not to blame for this policy. The army did not what it could, but what it was allowed to do. Nevertheless, Nasral sits underground for many years and until 120 there.
    1. Professor
      Professor 20 October 2013 14: 32 New
      +4
      Quote: In the reeds
      The second Lebanese was a failure.

      This is your opinion and it reflects the mood in some sections of society. Nevertheless, the tasks assigned to the army were achieved by almost 100%, losses in manpower and drugs were minimal. Of course, it could have been better, but there is no war without loss. I think it’s not worth quoting the conclusions of the Vinograd commission. But that war cannot be called a failure.
      1. faraon
        faraon 20 October 2013 14: 53 New
        +2
        Yes, but at what cost? Of course, war is war, losses are inevitable, but the price is very high for Israel. The decision was made at the level of the battalion commander. There was no coordination of military operations. My opinion worked for the three.
        1. Professor
          Professor 20 October 2013 15: 00 New
          +4
          Of course, there was something far from ideal (some pits are worth it), but towards the end the situation began to improve. It would be a task to take Beirut and they would have taken it with not the same losses as in 1982. It is important that the conclusions were drawn and the example of Cast Lead.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 20 October 2013 18: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: faraon
          There was no coordination of hostilities

          I heard that this was the first case of applying the principles of network-centric warfare. Which came out lumpy, especially in terms of providing fire support. Is this true?
          1. atalef
            atalef 20 October 2013 21: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: Spade
            I heard that this was the first case of applying the principles of network-centric warfare. Which came out lumpy, especially in terms of providing fire support. Is this true?

            Yes, this was the case when the battalion commanders sat in front of screens and monitors and controlled the battalions virtually. The result was the only one, the Chief of General Staff (Halutz - understandably, a former pilot. They are more and more individually)) to resign and everything was returned as it was. Combats ahead with soldiers if there is no commander nearby. apparently no monitors and vertical realities will help.
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 21 October 2013 15: 04 New
        +2
        Professor
        This is your opinion and it reflects the mood in some sections of society.

        What is it called there?
        Levantine character? wink
        Two Jews, as you know, have three mutually exclusive opinions laughing
        (joke)
  12. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 20 October 2013 14: 46 New
    +2
    The tasks assigned to the army are fulfilled, this is the main thing. Those who set these tasks are responsible for political failures and for what they have not finished off.
    article on big +
  13. In the reeds
    In the reeds 20 October 2013 15: 15 New
    +4
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: In the reeds
    The second Lebanese was a failure.

    This is your opinion and it reflects the mood in some sections of society. Nevertheless, the tasks assigned to the army were achieved by almost 100%, losses in manpower and drugs were minimal. Of course, it could have been better, but there is no war without loss. I think it’s not worth quoting the conclusions of the Vinograd commission. But that war cannot be called a failure.

    Especially when the meaning of the clashes turned mainly into the evacuation of the wounded
  14. In the reeds
    In the reeds 20 October 2013 15: 31 New
    +1
    When the Air Force worked, we saw the IDF in all its glory. F-16s, 101s and 105ths (Scorpions) from Hatsor rose above my head, Nasral sweated in the bunker ... And then the summer-yenka began ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 20 October 2013 21: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: In the reeds
      When the Air Force worked, we saw the IDF in all its glory. F-16s, 101s and 105ths (Scorpions) from Hatsor rose above my head, Nasral sweated in the bunker ... And then the summer-yenka began ...

      Yes, the Air Force worked out as it should, from the moment of shutdown to the suppression of Grad installations (they were mostly fired), no more than 7 minutes passed. And at night they (Hezbollah) didn’t shoot at all. they understood on thermal imagers as handheld.
  15. Beck
    Beck 20 October 2013 18: 31 New
    +3
    Yeah!

    The material was given out good, a lot of cognitive.

    And from myself I will add. In general, it is "easier" for Israel's general intelligence to work, only for one reason, which is divided into two components.

    First one. There are few regions on the globe where Jews do not live, and this is potential intelligence.

    The second one. In the modern Jewish people, there are many phenotypes that are suitable for illegal work in many countries. Few distinguish an Arab-speaking Jew from an Arab. They can also work in Iran, Europe, North America, Latin America, Russia, Australia, posing as local. Even in Africa, in Israel there are black Jews - Falashi. The exception is probably China and Southeast Asia.

    1. Pimply
      Pimply 20 October 2013 19: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: Beck
      The exception is probably China and Southeast Asia.


      Why would you? Eli "Chaini" Merom. Former commander of the Israeli Navy.

      http://www.messianic-torah-truth-seeker.org/zanmeiyeshua-Moshiach/Chinese-jews.h
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      1. Beck
        Beck 20 October 2013 23: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        Why would you? Eli "Chaini" Merom. Former Commander of the Israeli Navy


        Well, then I am silent. But I think there is one place where Israel's intelligence service will not be able to poke in, this is Chukotka. And the phenotype is not the same and the "brain" is not the same. Under the anecdotal Chukchi, not a single Jew can work.
        1. nazgul-ishe
          nazgul-ishe 21 October 2013 00: 42 New
          +2
          But the leader you need was chosen. Who will you lead ...
  16. Witold
    Witold 20 October 2013 20: 53 New
    +3
    Scorching, I saw a master and remembered myself in Lebanon.
  17. SlavaP
    SlavaP 21 October 2013 00: 25 New
    +1
    And yet (unofficially) - the seizure of the Japanese Embassy in Peru in 1996. Then, with a competent assault, ALL terrorists from Tupak-Amaru were killed, it seems two of those who stormed and one hostage (from a heart attack). Rumors that Israeli special forces worked.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 21 October 2013 03: 07 New
      0
      Quote: SlavaP
      And yet (unofficially) - the seizure of the Japanese Embassy in Peru in 1996. Then, with a competent assault, ALL terrorists from Tupak-Amaru were killed, it seems two of those who stormed and one hostage (from a heart attack). Rumors that Israeli special forces worked.

      Why? The Peruvians have their own special forces.
      1. SlavaP
        SlavaP 21 October 2013 22: 19 New
        0
        Now, yes, but most likely it wasn’t. As for the advisers and instructors involved in this story, it was said almost directly, and about direct participation - unconfirmed information.
  18. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 8 November 2013 08: 17 New
    0
    Quote: kavkaz8888
    "Foreign analogues of MATKAL can be considered in relative order - British SAS, American" DELTA ", Russian" Vympel "and special forces of the GRU."
    Our GRushnikov and Amersky Delta put in one row for fun?


    And what should be the joke? Well, although yes - Matkal will have more combat experience, is it a joke 50 + years of non-stop military operations.
  19. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 8 November 2013 08: 23 New
    0
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    I like it more and more. My battalion commander on the urgent was an officer who started the First Lebanese platoon, and when we snotty recruits began in a tactics lesson, barking something about the coolness of the IDF compared to our opponents, it blew him up so much that we slept for three hours for two weeks, and So much theory has been dumped on us about the mistakes of our most selective parts that it has firmly set our brains in place. All practiced standard "movements" are correcting mistakes, for which they paid in blood. There are no supermen, but you can make strong professionals if you learn from the mistakes of your predecessors.


    Yes, this is familiar, only with us it was our sergeant and we crawled across the gravel at midnight on plastunsky, lesson number one - NEVER underestimate the enemy.
  20. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 8 November 2013 08: 36 New
    0
    Quote: cdrt
    Professor
    This is your opinion and it reflects the mood in some sections of society.

    What is it called there?
    Levantine character? wink
    Two Jews, as you know, have three mutually exclusive opinions laughing
    (joke)


    Aha wassat Gee gee laughing