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The Kirov court changed the verdict to Navalny and Ofitserov from real to a suspended sentence

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The Kirov court changed the verdict to Navalny and Ofitserov from real to a suspended sentence



The Kirov Regional Court, having considered the complaints of Alexei Navalny and Peter Ofitserov, decided to change their sentence in the case of embezzlement (embezzlement) of Kirovles property from real to a suspended sentence. On July 18, the oppositionist was sentenced to five years in a penal colony, the second defendant was one year less.

Immediately after the announcement of the new verdict, Navalny told reporters who were present in the hall that he considered it unfair and would also appeal. The defendants sought the abolition of the sentence and full justification.

And in a telephone interview with Dozhd, the oppositionist stated that he would continue to engage in political activities: “Do you really think that such nonsense will stop?”. But there is nothing special to celebrate, he added, “since I’m still considered convicted.”

Kommersant.ru quotes a part of Navalny’s speech to journalists: “This does not cancel the political struggle, they will not be able to intimidate me or colleagues. We have demonstrated that we can have a sufficient influence on power. We need to continue to achieve the release of those who continue to sit in prisons for political affairs, in particular for the “swamp case.” Thanks to everyone for their support. Now they will assume that if the fake criminal case ends with a suspended sentence, we should be grateful for it and forget it. ”

Implemented one of four scenarios. Bulk did not become "new Mandela"

As a result, one of four scenarios that were legally possible was realized, but not the one that, according to some sources, would be the most optimal for the authorities. The planned amnesty on the occasion of the jubilee of the Constitution of the Russian Federation was meant. Some observers believed that the court could delay the consideration of the appeal so that Navalny came under amnesty before the sentence came into force. Then the Kremlin and the Investigation Committee would save face, and the opposition would not turn into a "new Nelson Mandela."

At the same time, many experts were waiting for the very decision that the Kirov court made. "Most likely, the decision should be about a suspended sentence. If Navalny is again jailed, this time for a long time, it will be an international scandal - the emergence of a figure of a political prisoner, as in the worst regimes of Asia or Africa. Therefore, all the same, the authorities are not interested in landing Navalny, ”political analyst Pavel Svyatenkov told Kommersant FM earlier on Wednesday.

The court rejected the defense motion. Bulk: "We must somehow deal with their own naivety"

Earlier on Wednesday, the court rejected the petitions of lawyers, finding them not to be satisfied. The defense of Navalny filed several at once, including the appointment of a forensic accounting, financial and economic, merchandising expertise in the case and the summoning of witnesses, “about ten people,” quotes Interfax lawyer Sergey Kobelev. The defense also expressed a desire to talk with experts who had already conducted an examination, since the reasoning part does not coincide with their conclusions.

Motivating the refusal, the court stated that there is no need to clarify anything further, and disagreement with the experts' conclusions is not a reason to interrogate them or conduct new examinations, the RAPS agency reports, which conducts a text translation.

Navalny, who managed to send rare comments on Twitter, wrote: "Davydova lost the dispute: the court again refused to conduct examinations. We must somehow deal with our own naivety." (Svetlana Davydova - Ofitserov's lawyer. - Approx. NEWSru.com)

Also, the oppositionist posted in his microblog a comment by user MaryEl @maryel2002: "All petitions that can be satisfied are claimed in Russia at Manezhka." Recall, after the verdict of Navalny in the evening of the same day and the next morning, his numerous supporters came out to the State Duma in Moscow in protest.

How were the hearings: "In the dock - justice and the faith of people in it"

According to the RAPSI, the complaint against the verdict was prepared very thoroughly: every point, every previously rejected petition was disputed.

A lawyer, Oksana Mikhailova, speaking at the meeting, drew attention to the fact that part of the sentence repeated the indictment, and listing procedural violations, indicated that the wiretapping materials (Navalny’s telephone conversations with the Officers, which, in the opinion of the defense, were unlawfully included in the evidence of the investigation. - Note NEWSru.com) were not destroyed after six months, in violation of the law.

Alexey Navalny, taking the floor after his lawyers, reiterated the political background of the sentence, recalled how he had been unprecedentedly released from the SIZO the next morning on the proposal of the prosecutor's office, and expressed conviction that this only confirms the political motivation of the case.

Pyotr Ofitserov, waiting for his turn, said that the whole court and the sentence was built on the principle of "and it will do," and the prosecution witnesses testified in favor of the defendants, reports Novaya Gazeta in its own online broadcast.

Then the floor was given to the prosecution, and the prosecutor's office asked for the sentence to be upheld, reports RIA "News".

The court then retired to the deliberation room, and upon returning, announced the decision to refuse protection to the petitions. At this stage of the judicial investigation is over and the parties proceeded to the debate, where they have already confirmed their positions more briefly. Navalny, however, said that he saw no point in participating in the debate: "I see no reason to speak in the debate after rejecting the petitions, I do not understand what else you will explore." The officers again asked to cancel the sentence and justify themselves and Navalny.

The state prosecution stated that “the court’s findings are fully supported by evidence,” Kommersant.ru reports. It also considered the refusal of economic examinations to be justified, since the existing accounting is quite enough.

Then the bailiffs took the case volumes to the deliberation room, and the defendants were given the last word. Navalny reacted to this with irony: “It is supposed that the last word is a certain dramatic moment in life. However, only in the city of Kirov I say the third last word,” he noted. And in the same tone, he suggested that everyone would throw out the paper, shout “Surprise!”, And the judges would turn on the sparklers.

However, the oppositionist immediately changed the joking tone to a serious one: “There are already so many deeds against me that I have to say many last words.” Thanking his supporters for their support, he gave the floor to Peter Ofitserov.

The second person involved was brief: he said that he had come to court with a bag, that his child had gone to the first class, and then declared: “Alexey and I aren’t in the dock today but people and others. Justice and faith of people in him . That's all I wanted to say".

On the eve of an interview with Moskovsky Komsomolets, Alexei Navalny also said that he was going to Kirov with things, "because if all of a sudden ends one day, I would not want to be in jail without food and things." He said that he was not counting on justification at all, and then added: “There are no guarantees for“ Kirovles ”. I don’t predict anything here, this is stupid."
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  1. bddrus
    bddrus 17 October 2013 07: 32
    -13 qualifying.
    reported that he came to court with a bag, that his child went to first grade,
    - I think this is exactly what decided everything !!! no no not "a child in first grade" - the bloody regime cannot be pityed with this, except that during the last word to hold the child in your arms? yes no - do not soften. And here is the BAG !!! - is it just not clear whether the regime was scared or is it really an important circumstance for the commutation of the sentence?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 October 2013 07: 36
      10
      Quote: bddrus
      the bloody regime doesn’t soften

      In Russia, the bloody regime ??????????
      Quote: bddrus
      - just not clear

      In Russia, the regime, In Russia, the regime, In Russia, the regime — you only have a swamp chtol, but why did you go there, there is no one there.
      1. bddrus
        bddrus 17 October 2013 07: 38
        -12 qualifying.
        Is it a grudge? or do you need to set emoticons?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 October 2013 07: 45
          10
          Quote: bddrus
          Is it a grudge?

          Yes, it seems you have not crossed.
          Quote: bddrus
          or do you need to set emoticons?

          I’ll change koment, at first I really thought that it was a banter on your part, and then I looked at why you received a warning and everything became clear. If you have a Homeland, then it’s definitely not Russia! Your ........
          1. Raska indicated her place 2012-09-04 19:27:01
          1. bddrus
            bddrus 17 October 2013 11: 08
            0
            did not intersect? well let it be so.

            If I used the word "Rashka", then quoting people like you, you really need to put emoticons and quotation marks, since you do not follow the conversation and do not understand the banter. Your that offensive "banter" about the torchbearer - the comrades-in-arms quickly cleaned up so as not to spoil the image of the one who has a Motherland - Russia))
            continue to rejoice at the possibility of viewing who is putting minus signs and warnings. Do not enlighten your warning? for patriotism in any way or for correct behavior?
      2. domokl
        domokl 17 October 2013 07: 40
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        In Russia, the bloody regime ??????????

        Hi Sash. Well, I want a person to be, then there is laughing
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        , In Russia, the regime is you only with a swamp chtol, but why did you go there, there is no one there.

        If a person stops thinking, then this is a problem not of those around him, but of the person himself. By the way, Navalny is just thinking. He very competently held the defense.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 October 2013 07: 48
          +3
          Quote: domokl
          .Well, a person wants to be, then there is

          Hi Sanya! Well, yes, we have dozens of people shot at the stadiums every weekend. All the pillars are hung up. Although Assad is also a bloody regime, but the opposition (Al Qaeda) is democracy.
          Quote: domokl
          .Very competent defense.

          Well, yes, especially with irrefutable evidence of his guilt. Sasha, it’s not the lawyers who care, politics or anything else.
          1. KazaK Bo
            KazaK Bo 17 October 2013 08: 14
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Sasha, it’s not a matter of lawyers, politics, and nothing more.

            Yes ... it's politics and ... nothing personal!
            It is good that they did not make the banner of those offended by the "current regime" from the BULK, but at the same time they are holding them on the hook ... like a crucian carp!
            But how not to play these "political games!" At one time, they also "played" with YELTSIN ... and he took and outplayed everyone ... But it was not in vain that Navalny was taught at the Institute of "new crap" leaders in the United States ... and behind him is not only "swamp mud "... there are also serious" puppeteers "...
            And Navalny is the current "swamp" Yeltsin!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 October 2013 08: 19
              +4
              Quote: KazaK Bo
              It is good that they did not make the banner of those offended by the "current regime"

              But now he has become the winner of the "bloody regime." The authorities are already writing frightened. It is necessary to plant it, without any ceremony, and then let them write what they want.
            2. Ruslan_F38
              17 October 2013 10: 26
              +2
              Quote: KazaK Bo
              Yes ... it's politics and ... nothing personal!
              It is good that they did not make the banner of those offended by the "current regime" from the BULK, but at the same time they are holding them on the hook ... like a crucian carp!


              Actually, he has a criminal article that provides for a serious penalty associated with real imprisonment. Another would have been imprisoned. And this little guy was released. There is no need to "interfere" with criminality with politics. He would have been steaming on the bunk for five years, he would have been quickly brought to his senses there! And now he will again take to the streets, and even a winner in the eyes of his supporters, well, who is better off from this?
      3. rereture
        rereture 17 October 2013 08: 02
        +2
        The bloody regime was said with sarcasm.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 October 2013 08: 06
          -1
          1. Raska indicated her place 2012-09-04 19:27:01
          But did he also say this with sarcasm at the time?
          1. bddrus
            bddrus 17 October 2013 11: 16
            +2
            no, of course, you had sarcasm about Shavorsh Karapetyan - about "face in a tracksuit" - that's sarcasm so sarcasm
        2. bddrus
          bddrus 17 October 2013 11: 14
          0
          Romanov said without sarcasm - it means that it is, and I really think that the presence of the bag influenced the commutation of the sentence! just some are pressed by the "crown" of moderation.
    2. bodriy
      bodriy 17 October 2013 07: 43
      10
      Yesterday, Gozman listened on RBC ... so Navalny is almost the savior of all Christian Russia! Laughed fairly, Gozman he is such a Gozman all the same! lol
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 17 October 2013 10: 15
        +4
        I'm sorry to interfere, but he is even more gosman than you imagine ... lol
    3. Civil
      Civil 17 October 2013 08: 43
      +3
      Okay, enough brains out of this empty place not to make a "prisoner of conscience" ...
      1. bddrus
        bddrus 17 October 2013 11: 25
        +1
        I didn’t follow the process, but it seemed to me that the Officers were blown away a long time ago, and then look at the last word I drove pathos again - it seems they were glad that they would be released before the meeting - so they took off
    4. kris
      kris 17 October 2013 09: 13
      +5
      Definitely all this is a political game. And yet - a manifestation of simple human gratitude. After all, Mr. Navalny made great efforts to legitimize the election of Sobyanin.
      It was thanks to Navalny, who brought at least 10% of the total number of Moscow voters to the polling stations, that these suddenly and for some reason announced elections were held. That is, they would have taken place in any case, but Mr. Navalny probably brought about ten percent of the people who voted for him, and another five percent who came to vote for anyone, but not for him. It is no secret that there was such a thing as an “anti-bulletin vote,” and these votes were mainly given to the Communists, and some to Sobyanin.
      In fact, this person, a blogger, has done a huge and complex job. After all, after Navalny began the election campaign, no one wondered why Sobyanin needed early elections at all? Why all this, what stupidity and what nonsense !?
      So Navalny did a great service to the authorities. For this, he was not imprisoned, but released, which was absolutely unprecedented in the history of Russia! And since he plays an important role and in his political capacity the “party of crooks and thieves” is very necessary, he was left to continue working for the government.
      The government honestly paid with Navalny, showing that it is possible and necessary to cooperate with it. The power does not throw.
    5. yurii p
      yurii p 17 October 2013 10: 50
      -1
      "The bloody regime cannot be pityed with this," .... it was the regime that showed itself, Medvedev and his gop company, had a hand in this verdict, if you do not see this, then you are only worthy of pity, not to see the obvious, and so are these people must serve at least 8 years with confiscation of property, with us the more you steal, the less you get, and this is a fact, mobile phones are given 2 years for theft, and you still feel sorry for these scum who are trying to get power in any way, liberal der..mo ...
    6. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 17 October 2013 11: 26
      +1
      from the first time they closed the case, from the second they copied it to a conditional one, like in Russian fairy tales, it will sit down for the third time, but already as a repeat offender, say for mail. In general, was it not time to restore economic articles in their normal form in order to steal and cheat was disgraceful, but for state property, as with aggravating circumstances, and for property of Moscow Region, as for undermining the country's defense capability.
    7. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 17 October 2013 11: 50
      +2
      bulk (I deliberately write with a small letter) - this is a cockerel, a lover of yelling from the stands and a gavnetso sponsored by the West, it would be better to put in place ... a bloody regime .... do not tell me ...
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 17 October 2013 07: 33
    +7
    Why in the country have all this hype been raised about what kind of Anal thief that he is guilty? His machinations were broadcast on all channels and the result was an absurdity of justice. The only thing that proved this whole process (show) is that we have a law, it seems, but not for everyone. So selectively.
    Are there still those who believe that Serdyukov will receive a term?wassat
    1. bddrus
      bddrus 17 October 2013 07: 36
      +7
      here in Krasnoyarsk, Bykov was given 5 years probation for contract killings - even more fun
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 October 2013 07: 39
        +2
        Quote: bddrus
        Bykov was given 5 years probation for contract killings - even more fun

        Well, he probably repented laughing
      2. Ruslan_F38
        17 October 2013 10: 33
        +3
        Quote: bddrus
        here in Krasnoyarsk, Bykov was given 5 years probation for contract killings - even more fun

        This is generally insanity, Bykov is a well-known "personality". We have such entrepreneurs in Tatarstan, the owners of the Krasny Vostok agricultural holding, the Khairullin brothers are members of the organized criminal group, and there were a lot of cases against them - so one of them has been a deputy in the State Duma for more than one term - a friend of Khinstein, with Putin even sometimes argues this criminal.
        1. bddrus
          bddrus 17 October 2013 11: 11
          +1
          Bykov, the leader of the party that won the last elections - "Patriots of Russia" - like that))
    2. domokl
      domokl 17 October 2013 07: 44
      +8
      The justice system consists in the fact that money (a well-paid lawyer with a well-known surname) can not only punish, but also pardon ...
      The boy for the opened stall for several years will be packed at a time, and the thief-millionaire, with all the evidence, will be scolded ... Well, the person repented.
      But Navalny did his job, helped Sobyanin win the election ... So the concert is over. You can twist everything in the ass.
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      1. domokl
        domokl 17 October 2013 08: 03
        +2
        Quote: bodriy
        By the way, I have a question for everyone, but a normal ... acceptable candidate from the people in the elections will be?

        It won’t be. It’s simply because our people are made up of people. More precisely, people. And each people has his own political and other views. A democrat will not work for communists, communist-nationalists, nationalist liberals, etc.
        In order for it to become at least somehow fairer, it is enough that a person realistically (namely realistically, and not on paper) suits the majority.
    4. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 17 October 2013 08: 07
      +5
      I support. Five years probation, this is how to understand? Once punished, then guilty, right? If guilty, then why conditionally and even without compensation, etc. etc. Absurd absurdity. Long live Russian JUSTICE! Hooray!
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 17 October 2013 09: 48
        +1
        Quote: v.lyamkin
        even without damages

        Despite the damage of 16 million, the court withheld one million from Navalny. Probably due to the fierce inflation in the state.
        1. Hon
          Hon 17 October 2013 09: 54
          +3
          Quote: Hedgehog
          Despite the damage of 16 million, the court withheld one million from Navalny.

          This is a game of words, in fact, a forest worth 16 million sold 1,3 million cheaper. that is, damage to 1,3 everything else to give more sound. In the scale of theft by billions, the sum of 1,3 does not sound solid.
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 17 October 2013 10: 06
            +2
            Quote: Hon
            theft by billions

            Speak specific amounts. Both in Russia and in the states people spend much longer periods for less large amounts. Who is for chicken, who is for a bottle of vodka. The better these are, especially since there is infa about non-respectable behavior in the past. A repeat offender must be punished.
            1. Hon
              Hon 17 October 2013 10: 20
              +1
              Quote: Hedgehog
              Speak specific amounts.

              Initially, it was calculated that Sochi-2014 would cost $ 12 billion (which is a huge sum for such an event) at the output we get more than 40 billion, + 28 billion as though makes us think ...

              There is such a saying, if you were imprisoned, it means you stole a little.
              By the way, in SPSh they are punished for every little thing, therefore they are among the leaders in the number of convicts.
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 17 October 2013 12: 08
                -2
                Quote: Hon
                By the way, in SPSh they’ll jail for every little thing,

                Do not forget that their population is clearly larger than the Russian !!!
                Quote: Hon
                Sochi 2014 was originally expected to cost

                Not a single country has yet fit into the original framework. And speaking of specific amounts, I am talking about those that your bosses or friends (enemies) stole before your eyes. Those. you are a witness in the case or may be. Repeating bulk is not just pointless, but stupid. If you started to speak, voice specific facts!
                And farewell. The road in the picture will last for more than a dozen years. From the rover no specific profit. Precisely money down the drain. BUT what they did, well done. 147% cut. It would be better to find a specific and unambiguous way treat cancer, stroke.
                1. New Russia
                  New Russia 17 October 2013 12: 27
                  +2
                  "Not a single country has yet fit into the original framework. And speaking of specific amounts, I'm talking about those that your bosses or friends (enemies) stole before your eyes. That is, you are a witness in the case, or you can be one. To repeat navalschinu is not only senseless, but also stupid. If you start to speak, voice specific facts! "

                  Facts. The Sochi Olympics is the most expensive in history, these 55 billion could be spent to restore small towns and villages from ruins. Even without theft, this is a crime, as is the APEC summit, at which 680 billion were sawn. All objects in Sochi are overpriced from 5 times, did you forget how Putin drove under Bilalov’s camera to pretend to be a corruption fighter when it turned out that the price of a ski jump was 9 times too high? By the way, Bilalov never sat down, and he won’t sit down)

                  "The road in the picture will last for decades. There is no specific profit from the rover."
                  The road will last several years, that expensive road in Vladik collapsed in a month) And if you don’t benefit from the Marsochord, you can safely return to the 30s) By the way, the German roads of 30 x in Koenigsberg and the region still haven’t collapsed)
                  1. Ezhaak
                    Ezhaak 17 October 2013 12: 36
                    -2
                    Quote: New Russia
                    And if you do not benefit from the Marsochord, then you can safely return to the 30s)

                    It would be better if these pseudo-scientists were engaged in what is highlighted. In the meantime, no good.
                    Quote: New Russia
                    By the way, the German roads of 30 x in Koenigsberg and the region still have not all collapsed)

                    Extra evidence of the benefits and necessity of roads.
                    1. New Russia
                      New Russia 17 October 2013 12: 57
                      0
                      If I don’t put you cons, I don’t put them to anyone
      2. afire
        afire 17 October 2013 09: 56
        +4
        The fear of their people makes the authorities go to various tricks, while trying to earn and cut. Based on this, clashes in the streets will grow, and the mass of local authorities dissatisfied with doing nothing will grow. It is really necessary to toughen up penalties and imprisonment, and not to make a fiction out of the judicial system that works only for corrupt interests and for their good.
    5. nbw
      nbw 17 October 2013 11: 18
      0
      Are there still those who believe that Serdyukov will receive a term?

      Believe-not believe in God. And according to Serdyukov, whether he sits down or not depends only on the people of Russia. The majority of the population will actively support Putin's course of sovereignty - the "strings" will be cut off, and the falcon will sit down if he does not have time to escape to Landon. And if on the contrary - the people will believe all sorts of banal and other populists - then the yoke will press more and more, and the thieves will have more impunity.
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 17 October 2013 11: 56
        -1
        Fedorov, I recognize speech) And how should people support them? I thought in the elections he was elected and let him do everything, the people gave him the last credit of trust, at least half of the population at that time. Is this not enough? Ahhh we have to go to a rally, 500 thousand people and Serdyukov will sit down?) Only here is the problem, with the current course of covering corruption and the importation of barbarians, there will be no rallies for Putin, so poor Putin will have to start doing things for people come out) And he won’t start without people. Here is such a vicious circle)
        1. nbw
          nbw 17 October 2013 12: 08
          -3
          * Exchange cons as a greeting * tongue
          Putin will have to start doing something first so that people marry him

          He does something, only some deaf-blind people prefer not to notice his achievements and ascribe to him the acts committed by the occupation government, thereby supporting the media (which, as you know, are working on instructions from the CIA. Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1KhYCgYZQA)
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 17 October 2013 12: 18
            +2
            I don’t put you a minus)
            "He does something, only some deaf-blind citizens prefer not to notice his achievements."
            Housing and communal services reform failed, HOA torn everyone and people as planned were not controlled, reform of education, medicine, pension reform failed)

            Putin may dismiss the occupying government at any time, the whole people will say thanks, he could have gone for the 3rd term in 2008 and get rid of the liberals for him then 80% was. I gave yesterday’s economic news in the first comment, but at the end of the year it will be worse, why is Putin responsible only for the good, and the government that he does not want to dismiss for the bad? Where does this blind faith come from, and when do you think everything will change?
            1. nbw
              nbw 17 October 2013 12: 33
              -1
              I don’t put you a minus)
              I believe you are pretty to me laughing This agent "Yarosvet" pulled himself up, fulfills his 30 pieces of silver.
              Putin may occupy government at any time
              Maybe, maybe. And where will it take the new? I think that everything is not so simple there. Politics is a complete backstage, and they show us only what they want to show.
              and at the end of the year it will be worse
              Worse - this is something like now in Syria, a little earlier - in the Balkans (and we had it earlier - in the early 90s, during the genocide of Russians in Chechnya, when an American agent (nickname - "Humpbacked") destroyed the country, while other agents, like "Birch", sponsored anti-Russian sentiments in the North Caucasus and sent in Arab scumbags). Do you think it will? I would not want to.
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 17 October 2013 12: 44
                +1
                "Where will he get the new from?" After the default of 1998, they took a new normal, and now they would take it, it will not be worse than with the Medvedev Ulyukaevs.

                "Worse is about the same as it is now in Syria" To have Syria, an armed WESTERN opposition is needed. Can you imagine how liberals, even in the army who are not former, will shoot from the AK at riot police?)

                "a little earlier - in the Balkans" We will have the Balkans in 5 years in the Stavropol Territory, or rather Kosovo of our own.

                "Do you think there will be? I would not want to." There will be a crisis and poverty, the dominance of migrants, if clashes begin in the country, then with them and the cops protecting them. Civil war is a Russian against a Russian, and if a Russian is against an Uzbek and a Chechen, then this is liberation from the yoke.

                "This is agent" Yarosvet "has pulled himself up, fulfills his 30 pieces of silver." Why do you think so
                1. nbw
                  nbw 17 October 2013 12: 54
                  0
                  After default 1998 took a new normal
                  And what, after the default, the statesmen came to power, stopped paying indemnities to the West and began to revive the Russian population? Did I miss something? laughing
                  Syria needs armed WESTERN opposition
                  Nope. It is only necessary that a "Russian rebellion" flared up, for example, which you are pushing so hard repeat Because some Russian citizens will shoot at other Russian citizens, it will only be better for our "partners", their mother's leg.
                  In 5 years in the Stavropol Territory we will have Balkans, or rather Kosovo.
                  Nidaiboh. Let's hope that the "black" bandit underground will be removed earlier. And the Natsiks will not be particularly dismissed.
                  the dominance of migrants, if clashes in the country begin, then with them and the cops protecting them.
                  "Cops", as you have deigned to put it, do not protect migrants (with the exception of some corrupt "werewolves", of course), but maintain order so that the protest does not turn into armed clashes. Don't you understand this?
                  Why do you think so
                  From that. He is very well prepared, has an excellent command of anti-state rhetoric. It can be seen that this is not "*** from the mountain". He has a workplace on the Internet, most likely.
                  1. New Russia
                    New Russia 17 October 2013 13: 08
                    0
                    "And what, after the default, the statesmen came to power, stopped paying indemnities to the West and began to revive the Russian population? Did I miss something?" Primakov was a patriot, and his chief economic adviser, Delyagin, quickly rebuilt the economy, but they were fired, the liberals needed them only for a while.

                    "Because some citizens of Russia will shoot at other citizens of Russia" That's exactly what they are not citizens of Russia but illegal migrants! There will be no peace and equality with the Chechens, or they are under us, or vice versa, as it is now.

                    "Let's hope that the" black "gang underground will be removed sooner." And there is not a bandit underground, there are simple monkeys driving out the Russians, they are not going to do anything with them.

                    "Very well prepared, fluent in anti-state rhetoric."
                    Yes, the class and where it takes such pictures) But it doesn’t mean anything, I also have links to the necessary news, and you do too, or are you Nashist?
                    1. nbw
                      nbw 17 October 2013 13: 31
                      0
                      Primakov was a patriot
                      Agashchaz.
                      Evgeny Maksimovich Primakov (b. October 29, 1929, Kiev) - Soviet and Russian political and statesman. <...> He served as chairman of the Council of the Union of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR (1989-90), head of the Central Intelligence Service of the USSR (1991)
                      Had he been a patriot, he would have come out in opposition to Gorbatom and tried to prevent what happened to the Union. Common nomenclature rat.
                      He was in the inner circle of Mikhail Gorbachev
                      Do you understand what it smells like here?
                      And Delyagin was an adviser to Kasyanov, an outstanding swindler and thief. Also, as it were, hints.
                      There will be no peace and equality with the Chechens, or they are under us or vice versa
                      Yes, I agree with you, they only understand power. But a war within the country is not what is needed now. The power must be "soft". Like our "friends", for example. Precise liquidation, state propaganda. Liquidations are made, but with propaganda so far everything is bad, the media obey the enemy.
                      or are you a nashi?
                      I'm not sure I understand very well who a "nashist" is. This is something bad, right? smile I find my links myself. laughing
                      1. New Russia
                        New Russia 17 October 2013 13: 51
                        +2
                        “If he were a patriot, he would have come out in opposition to Hunchback,” Andropov recommended to Humpback, if I’m not mistaken. Head of the KGB of the USSR. Also a traitor?
                      2. nbw
                        nbw 17 October 2013 14: 33
                        0
                        Andropov recommended the hunchback, if I am not mistaken.

                        The attempt of "Gorbachev to become General Secretary" did not take place without the knowledge of Andropov, who did not so much want to make Gorbachev his successor, but did not want to transfer power to Konstantin Chernenko, a conscientious person, but a "gray" and, most importantly, who had no serious experience in managing any structure. except for the apparatus of the Central Committee of the CPSU.
                        (a source: http://luchshiy.com/politika/kak-yeto-bylo-izbranie-gorbachyova.html - I advise you to read).
                      3. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 17 October 2013 14: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: New Russia
                        Andropov recommended the hunchback, if I am not mistaken. Head of the KGB of the USSR. Also a traitor?

                        Alas, ndw is right about Primakov’s account: the essence of the process was that at first the country was purposefully brought to technical default (budget money was merged to affiliate banks at a meager percentage and a loan was then taken at a much higher percentage), which allowed the market to be redistributed in favor of a large capital and enrich 4 times for those who had access to insider trading. And then the unpopular Kiriyenko was simply replaced by the popular (due to chatter) Primakov, whose whole merit comes down to the fact that he did not receive instructions to drain the budget.
                        Plus - Primakov is really from the tagged team.

                        As for Andropov - to think:
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 17 October 2013 14: 27
          0
          Quote: nbw
          And let's take it seriously - with justifications, with evidence:

          He does something
          What exactly does he do and what positive has happened thanks to his policies? - in your own words.

          acts committed by the occupying government
          What evidence is there (not speculation, but factual and logical justification) that the government, in essence, PRESCRIBED by Putin, is precisely the occupation government (by the way, this implies that Putin is a Gauleiter), and does not constitute an organized crime group, one of whose significant figures is Putin?
          1. nbw
            nbw 17 October 2013 14: 39
            0
            "In my own words" - I just didn't waste time on you here laughing Whoever lives in Russia sees everything himself. To prove to you that black is black and white is white is a waste of time. About "organized crime group" generally killed laughing
            "Russia is a country bankrupt in all respects, which in the coming years must plunge into chaos, poverty and continuous ethnic conflicts. Russia is a" black hole "that does not have any geopolitical choice in its life, because in fact it is only about its physical survival in its pure form.Russia must be divided into parts, it will then consist of a loose confederation of European Russia, the Siberian Republic and the Far Eastern Republic, which individually would be much easier to establish close economic relations with Europe, the new Central Asian states and the East. However, any integration of Russia into the extended world order of the West is impossible, Russia is too backward country, economically brought to poverty by communism, and therefore it is not able to become a more or less suitable democratic partner for the United States.Russia is a defeated geopolitical competitor, and takes the place of a weakened , backward, problematic and surroundedon all sides of a country that has been denied the role of any respected geopolitical player. "

            Z. Brzezinski, "The Big Chess Board", 1997


            "If the West fails to conclude a long-term strategic alliance with Russia, this could turn into global isolation for it. This is all the more important, given the current rapprochement between China and Russia. The world domination of one single power - the United States in the world is no longer possible, regardless of whether how strong or weak it is. Especially when it comes to the situation when new regional powers have entered the world arena. The West can still avoid the fate of global isolation and international relegation to secondary roles. But for this it is necessary to breathe new life-giving forces into it and develop a new strategy and an action plan. For the West, this New Strategy should be to be able to integrate Russia and Turkey into the international system of the West. "

            Z. Brzezinski, "Strategic Insight", 2012


            Here it is, the result of Putin’s policy ...


            http://putin-club.livejournal.com/117559.html - anyone interested - read it. This resource has a lot of interesting things.
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 17 October 2013 15: 22
              0
              Listening to Brzezinski is the same as listening to McCain. When he talks about Putin you listen well to him, when it’s bad it’s a blatant lie of the enemies of Russia
              1. nbw
                nbw 17 October 2013 15: 29
                0
                He does not speak well about Putin. He says that Russia is strong and must be reckoned with, otherwise n *** ec. And do not, please, compare it with McCain - one is an officially recognized du-ra-chock and clown, the second is a political scientist, publicist, author of a dozen books. Yes, the enemy of Russia, but the enemy is smart. If he says that he has become afraid of Russia, this is worthy of attention.
            2. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 17 October 2013 15: 29
              +1
              Quote: nbw
              "In my own words" - I just didn't waste time on you here
              That is what did not spend laughing

              To prove to you that black is black and white is white is a waste of time
              I am not asking to prove something, I am asking you to list what Putin did and the positive things that happened thanks to what he did - I ask you to list with justifications, that is, if you repeat Fedorov's words that Putin canceled the law "On partition agreements products "let's link to the official resource, which says that 225-FZ has been canceled.

              About "organized crime group" generally killed
              Excuse me - what else can you call a group of comrades acting contrary to the Basic Law?

              Z. Brzezinski
              I do not read our Prokhanov - nor the staff (a waste of time)
  • nbw
    nbw 17 October 2013 07: 36
    +8
    unprecedentedly released from the pre-trial detention center the next morning at the request of the prosecutor's office <...> this only confirms the political motivation of the case.
    This only confirms the correctness of Fedorov, who claims that agents of influence are guaranteed immunity. And the truth is, it seems.

    A thief should sit in jail! Bulk to jail! laughing
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 October 2013 07: 40
      +2
      Quote: nbw
      A thief should sit in jail!

      Do not tell, prisons are not created for that.
  • a52333
    a52333 17 October 2013 07: 37
    +5
    Cheap off.
  • Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 17 October 2013 07: 38
    -7
    Congratulations, Alexey!

    One of the most striking victories of A. Navalny. Another rogue passed the deputy mandate and dumped in the United States


    In the open registers of the state of Florida, there were dozens of documents and real estate accounts signed by MP V. Pekhtin and his son. This is Warranty Deed, the right to own a penthouse in Miami (of course, not specified in the income statement of MP Pehtin). They won’t forgive Alexei for this - they decided to take revenge, but the gut was thin.
    V. Pekhtin: "We will still fight")))

    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 October 2013 07: 52
      +5
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      Congratulations, Alexey!

      Do not forget to transfer a couple of thousand donations to Navalny's account. Well and a bouquet of flowers with a greeting card. Where without them wink
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 17 October 2013 08: 05
        -6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Do not forget to transfer a couple of thousand donations to Navalny’s account

        Already translated. I like what this man is doing.
        - RosPil
        - Penthouse in Miami Deputy Pehtin
        - Disclosure of a scam with Sobyanin’s apartments
        - Initiative to limit the value of car officials
        - Initiative on a strict visa regime with Central Asian countries

        the only real Russian politician in a country where politics does not exist (clowns Zhirinovsky and Co. are not a political force)
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        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 October 2013 08: 25
          +1
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Already translated. I like what this man is doing.

          Have you been invited to the commemoration or a celebration passed by you? They say there was celebrated with a grand scale on your money, champagne, caviar wink
          1. Magellan
            Magellan 17 October 2013 14: 32
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Have you been invited to the commemoration or a celebration passed by you? They say there was celebrated with a grand scale on your money, champagne, caviar wink

            recently read a good banter story:

            2028 year. Funeral of GDP, direct reporting from an unfinished nuclear power plant in Skolkovo
        3. Lapotnik
          Lapotnik 17 October 2013 10: 30
          +1
          And he is as honest as corrupt. He doesn’t advertise his income, on what and how he rides too, and with whom he leads friendships ... but by the way, you don’t need it - you’re like in a saying about God's dew.
          1. nbw
            nbw 17 October 2013 11: 27
            +1
            He does not advertise his income, on what and how he rides too

            No need here, everything has long been known laughing
            The whole president of Ukraine drives the same car as Navalny. On August 16, Navalny arrived at a televised debate in a minibus for 4,6 million rubles, and after my intervention he left in a jeep for 1,8 million.

            Fans of Alexei Navalny! We don’t pass by, read the link below, comment, do not be shy!
            http://dmitry-noskoff.livejournal.com/183607.html
            1. Magellan
              Magellan 17 October 2013 13: 03
              +3
              Quote: nbw
              The whole president of Ukraine drives the same car as Navalny. On August 16, Navalny arrived at a televised debate in a minibus for 4,6 million rubles, and after my intervention he left in a jeep for 1,8 million.

              What he rides on is his own business.
              He is not an official and this is not official Mercedes-Gelendvagen

              It's not about whether rich Navalny or not. The fact that he is telling the truth about presumptuous deputies with villas in Miami. The truth does not depend on who speaks it.

              If A. Hitler says that 2x2 = 4, we will be forced to agree with him
              1. nbw
                nbw 17 October 2013 13: 50
                0
                He is not an official

                And how will he become an official - will he transfer to the Volga? laughing No, this is called a "demagogue". Or, to put it more simply, "n **** ball".
                he tells the TRUTH about presumptuous deputies
                He says what everyone already knows. And under this cover pushes destructive ideas. Do not be stupid, for God's sake, with Navalny everything has been clear for a long time, even the most stubborn.
                1. Magellan
                  Magellan 17 October 2013 14: 21
                  0
                  Quote: nbw
                  And how will he become an official - will he transfer to the Volga?

                  how he becomes an official - he will declare his income. and it will be dr. conversation
                  Quote: nbw
                  He says what everyone already knows.

                  he is not just talking. HE DOES
                  Pekhtin lost his post, along with him several more United Russia deputies were forced to surrender their mandate (Navalny found a business in Canada in one of them and dual citizenship in the other)

                  27% in the elections for the mayor of Moscow is more than all the candidates from the "tame" opposition (the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party, Spr.Ros., Etc.) combined.

                  That is why such a frenzied reaction, a criminal case sucked from the finger and an order to "blacken" Navalny in all media
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 17 October 2013 14: 31
                    0
                    Quote: Magellan
                    Pekhtin lost his post, along with him a few more United Russia deputies passed the mandate

                    "I have practically no real estate abroad"
                    At first, Pekhtin limited himself to leaving the Duma ethics committee on February 13, 2013, but as a result, the sick man still had to surrender his deputy’s mandate a week later. Before giving up the ksiva, he gave a sentimental speech, experiencing a hellish butchert, at the end of which he said: "We will still fight!" Standing applause.
                    Companions Colleagues, deputies tried to pass this FAIL Pekhtin for a fierce WIN, commenting on the departure as "an honest and responsible act." By the way, in March 2013, Vladimir Pekhtin issued a donation to his son for a share in the property, the presence of which Vladimir Alekseevich denied.
                    As the “victims” put it, these are all the machinations of the West. Notarized screenshots, as you know, were paid by the CIA, competitors and various spiteful critics. And in general, this is revenge for their hard legislative activity for the benefit of the people. Well, what is so here !? Yes, I was drunk at the resort, yes, I bought it, but I don’t remember who it doesn’t happen to, right? However, the deputies do not forget to buy cars for 5 megabytes at the state expense, see, hoping that this is gratitude from the people, because they think about it day and night.
                    As a result, the subject received a new saw instead of the one selected. In mid-April 2013, Vladimir Pekhtin was included on the board of directors of RusHydro. There, Mr. "Almost no real estate" will deal with issues of innovation and hydraulic construction.
                    Magnify-clip.png
                    Still hurts

                    On April 26, Pekhtin decided to move from words to deeds (remember, he promised "more war"?) And said that he would sue Navalny. According to the ex-deputy, assurances about an apartment in the United States are the most BOB. Pekhtin decided to get compensation from Navalny in the amount of the latter's annual profit and transfer them to Magadan as an aid to orphanages.

                    Finally, on the same day, Pekhtin became an adviser to Naryshkin and thus returned to the State Duma. He will formally advise the speaker on hydropower issues.

                    No, but did V seriously think that the lads would throw theirs in the cold to the joy of the lackeys?
  • Predator-74
    Predator-74 17 October 2013 07: 43
    +4
    And actually who is this Bulk, just an ordinary thief, that's all. It seems to me that it’s not worth discussing it like that at all, it’s not worth it even that much attention.
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 17 October 2013 07: 56
    +2
    from the Don.
    : Our court is the most humane court in the world !: - thieves of all stripes of Russia!
  • morpogr
    morpogr 17 October 2013 07: 57
    +1
    Navalny is simply hooked and the next 5 years will be pulled if he understands that he is under control. In general, this whole story looks like a bad comedy, it’s painfully clumsy to make the authorities supposedly the leader of an unsystematic opposition. Therefore, he quarreled with former German comrades Ryzhkov, etc.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 October 2013 08: 02
      +2
      Quote: morpogr
      Bulk is simply hooked and the next 5 years will be pulled if something so that he understands that he is under control

      So they took him on a hook, and I thought he was tried for theft.
      1. Hon
        Hon 17 October 2013 09: 25
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        So they took him on a hook, and I thought he was tried for theft.

        And what exactly did he steal? Allegedly persuaded the Kirovles leadership to sell the forest at a lower price? So after all, some organizations Kirovles sell wood at a reduced price. Navalny, what is to blame for the fact that the Kirovles leadership was stealing? According to the statement of the assistant to the head of the Investigative Committee of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation in the Kirov Region, “Navalny collaborated with the investigation, gave objective evidence. The corpus delicti was not revealed. Criminal proceedings denied ”
        But then Navalny, with his actions, began to deliver pain to the country's leadership, and his "good" name needed to be denigrated. It turned out to be not easy to do this, since bulk has never been in the civil service, which means he could not take bribes. It was here that I had to remember about the Kirovles case, whose director agreed to give any testimony convenient for the investigation during the suspended period.
        In May 2011, it became known that a criminal case was opened against Navalny under Article 165 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (“causing property damage by deceit or breach of trust in the absence of signs of theft”). Navalny was suspected of “using tactics and techniques used by raiders to seize enterprises”: according to the official representative of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation Vladimir Markin, in 2009 Navalny misled the director of the Kirovles State Unitary Enterprise Vyacheslav Opalev, incline him to conclude a disadvantageous contract. Navalny introduced himself as an adviser to the governor of the Kirov region, Nikita Belykh, although at that time he was no longer one, and promised Opalev support from the regional authorities. The amount of damage caused to the enterprise was estimated at 1,3 million rubles. Yeah, of course, such a naive director ... In fact, Navalny’s fault is that he introduced one thief to another thief so that together they could steal something.
  • awg75
    awg75 17 October 2013 08: 03
    +2
    I want to scream loudly --- justice sold !!!!!!!!!!!!!! This bog nest should be given for life, not conditional
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 17 October 2013 08: 13
      -3
      Quote: awg75
      This bog nest should be given for life, not conditional

      Well, are you so not happy for Serdyukov and Mrs. Vasilyeva?
      1. nbw
        nbw 17 October 2013 11: 10
        +1
        Navalny and Serdyukov and Vasilyeva have the same "roof". It's strange that you don't see this. All these people are selling their Motherland - some wholesale, like Navalny, some retail, like Serdyukov & Co. And they are "protected" by the organization that benefits from a weak, crumbling Russia.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 17 October 2013 12: 14
          +1
          Quote: nbw
          Navalny and Serdyukov and Vasilyeva have the same "roof"
          finally laughing
          1. nbw
            nbw 17 October 2013 12: 20
            0
            Well, yes, everyone knows (who is interested in the topic) that Serdyukov "crossed over" (as they said under Vissarionych, "betrayed the Motherland"), for which we cover it with the "world government" (in general, the owners prepared a good training manual for you, with quotes, color selection . Sweetie!).

            I welcome the American agent of influence on the Russian military-patriotic website hi How are you? They say you have adopted a budget there, have you resumed funding? Practice soon laughing
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 17 October 2013 14: 55
              0
              Quote: nbw

              I'm starting to worry about your mental health ... bully
          2. alekseyal
            alekseyal 17 October 2013 13: 22
            0
            This is the roof - the US State Department, I think that Serdyukov was also recruited as did Navalny.
            1. Hon
              Hon 17 October 2013 13: 25
              +2
              Quote: alekseyal
              This is the roof - the US State Department, I think that Serdyukov was also recruited as did Navalny.

              And Putin probably recruited ...
  • Russ69
    Russ69 17 October 2013 08: 17
    +3
    Behind Lesha-distillery, a couple of things are hanging. But apparently it will end, the same. They will add more conditionally and will tryndet about their exclusivity further, however, like the adherents of his sect ...
    Yesterday, his protege Albets, suggested that Russia cut and give to the Chinese along the Ural ridge, apparently the sponsor has changed among the liberals ...
  • SolomonSS
    SolomonSS 17 October 2013 08: 34
    +5
    All politics in our time is a theater where roles are distributed for years to come. We, the citizens of the Russian Federation, have been fed noodles since the 90s, the very one that everyones GDP, Medvedev, Navalny, Zhirinovsky and so on and so forth hang on their ears ... You can forget about justice in Russia, the courts will always go by the 2nd standards . And if you read article 19 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
    "Article 19
    1. All are equal before the law and the court.
    2. The state guarantees the equality of human and civil rights and freedoms, regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official status, place of residence, attitude to religion, beliefs, membership in public associations, and other circumstances. Any form of restriction of the rights of citizens on the basis of social, racial, national, linguistic or religious affiliation is prohibited. "

    What am I doing, you ask. And to the fact that everyone here knows about parliamentary immunity. Which, in my opinion, is contrary to the constitution. And who needs immunity, those who have a “stigma in the gun”, and all who have a “stigma in the gun”, they lead us and show us a theatrical performance, which is shown 24 hours a day on the Vesti channel. And they are unlikely to be judged.

    And it remains for us to either watch a theatrical production and continue to eat noodles, or begin to change actions, and we need to start with ourselves.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 17 October 2013 12: 16
      +1
      Quote: SolomonSS
      And who needs immunity, those who have a "stigma in the gun"
  • alekseyal
    alekseyal 17 October 2013 08: 43
    +2
    The bulk representative of the United States, (he himself does not deny receiving money from the United States), and since Russia does not have full state sovereignty, nothing can be done to it.
    The USSR lost the Cold War in 1991 and now Russia and all the republics of the former union are dependent on the United States and its allies.

    Evidence of a loss in the Cold War and the resulting lack of full sovereignty:

    1. By the hand of the Lord, the United States defeated the Cold War. US President George W. Bush Addresses Congress on January 28, 1992.http: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = yK9ewn2kpNc
    2. Bill Clinton's speech at a closed meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on October 25, 1995. http://tvesti.ucoz.ru/publ/rech_billa_klintona_na_zakrytom_soveshhanii_obed
    inennogo_komiteta_nachalnikov_shtabov_25_oktjabrja_1995_goda/1-1-0-19
    3. USAID Achievements in Russia. "USAID participated in the development of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the First part of the Civil Code and the Russian tax code." Www.usaid.gov/news-information / fact-sheets / usaid-russia
    4. There is no legal sovereignty. In the constitution and laws of the Russian Federation, we observe articles that indicate the loss of the sovereignty of the country. For example, Article 15, paragraph 4 reads: “Generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If other rules are established by an international treaty of the Russian Federation than those provided by law, then the rules of the international treaty shall apply. ” Those. this means that Russian law is embedded in international law and international laws are more important than Russian. Thus, this article establishes direct supranational governance. This is just one example. In subsequent articles, we will examine in more detail the laws that make it possible to assert that Russia legally secured the status of a non-sovereign state.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 17 October 2013 12: 55
      0
      Quote: alekseyal
      Russia does not have full state sovereignty
      Definition of sovereignty - please.

      USSR lost the cold war in 1991
      Act of surrender to the table.

      1. The Lord’s Hand won the Cold War
      How many people with cognitive dissonance divorced laughing
      They stubbornly support Putin, but as soon as the question arises of what to believe - Putin’s idle talk about sovereign democracy, or Bush’s pre-election idle talk about victory, they trust Bush.

      2. Bill Clinton's speech at a closed meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on October 25, 1995
      Just super ...
      The meeting was closed, and after 4 years the transcript was published in "Our Contemporary".
      And then there’s Dulles’s plan that never existed, and there are Rothschild’s words that he never said, and somewhere else nearby the Anunahs fly ...

      3. USAID Achievements in Russia. “USAID participated in the development of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the first part of the Civil Code and the Russian tax code”
      And that is why no matter what problem you dig up - miserable salaries, inequality before the law, education, medicine, etc. - The reason for this problem will be in violation of the Constitution, written by "amers" by the current Power.
      Precisely because there is no sovereignty, the civil and tax codes have already been amended 25 times.

      Article 15, paragraph 4 reads: “The generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If other rules are established by an international treaty of the Russian Federation than those provided by law, then the rules of the international treaty shall apply. ” Those. this means that Russian law is embedded in international law and international laws are more important than Russian
      We look in the book - we see a fig ...
      Universally recognized principles and norms — these are the norms signed and ratified by the Russian Federation — this means that the Russian Federation, having signed an agreement, undertakes to comply with it even when changing the Government or legislation. The UN Convention against Corruption is part of international norms - the Russian Federation did not sign article 20 and now wanted to spoil it from a high bell tower.

      Thus, this article establishes direct supranational governance.
      Zaputintsy are ready to bear any nonsense, if only to shift responsibility to someone with the real culprit of the problems in the country.
  • evgeni21
    evgeni21 17 October 2013 08: 46
    +1
    I would send this embezzler to the gulag without trial and investigation for all Kirovles workers. Well it was necessary to steal a piece of bread from people and not blush
    1. Magellan
      Magellan 17 October 2013 10: 56
      +2
      Quote: evgeni21
      I would send this embezzler to the gulag without trial

      What is the Naval embezzler?
      He is not an official))
      Quote: evgeni21
      for all Kirovles employees. Well it was necessary to steal a piece of bread from people and not blush

      But they judged it NOT for non-payment of salaries to employees!

      State Prosecution Position lies in the fact that the persons involved in the case jointly created the Vyatka Forest Company. At the same time, VLK purchased timber products from Kirovles at obviously low prices, which were significantly lower than average market prices, and sold it to final consumers at market prices, thereby causing damage to Kirovles. [25] These actions were the embezzlement of Kirovles forest products on an especially large scale, committed by embezzlement. Navalny was the organizer of the crime, and the Officers - an accomplice.
      The total amount stolen: 10 thousand cubic meters of forest products worth 16 million rubles

      Protection position It boils down to the fact that "VLK" was an ordinary company that engaged in the legal trade in forest products. Timber products were purchased from Kirovles by VLK at market prices. Accordingly, Navalny and the Officers did not commit the crimes that they were charged with.
      The investigation in the case used an unlawful, broad interpretation of Art. 160 of the Criminal Code ("Assignment or embezzlement"). In the alleged actions there are no such signs of theft as unlawfulness (timber products from Kirovles to VLK were supplied under the contract), gratuitousness (forest products were paid according to the contract), damage to the owner, selfish purpose. The absence of at least one of these signs in the alleged actions precludes the possibility of their qualification as embezzlement by embezzlement
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 17 October 2013 11: 06
        +1
        Quote: Magellan
        What is the Naval embezzler?
        He is not an official))

        In order to rob the treasury it is not necessary to be an official. Navalny really profited from this scam, the state lost money.

        It seems publicity has become an indulgence.
        1. atalef
          atalef 17 October 2013 11: 18
          +3
          In order to rob the treasury it is not necessary to be an official. Navalny really profited from this scam, the state lost money.

          I do not defend Navalny, I just want to ask, But will Serdyukov even be given a suspended sentence? And his harem? And to all those who stole not thousands, but billions and not rubles, but bucks - at least some time will be given? It seems that when it comes to Navalny specifically, the thief should be in prison, and if your last name is Serdyukov, you have a legal entity. not touched and will still be included in the witness protection program
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 October 2013 11: 26
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            But will Serdyukov even be given a suspended sentence?

            Sasha, what are you talking about? How long? For what?
            Quote: atalef
            And his harem? And to all those who stole not thousands, but billions and not rubles, but bucks - at least some time will be given?

            From your comment, the Prosecutor General's teeth ached. Well, that you are so boring everybody, The reform was effective-all the point!
            1. atalef
              atalef 17 October 2013 11: 33
              +1
              From your comment, the Prosecutor General's teeth ached. Well, that you are so boring everybody, The reform was effective-all the point!

              Yes, and the police used to be angry and cruel, and now the police are soft and fluffy
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 17 October 2013 11: 35
            0
            Sorry, but Serdyukov’s upset is not an indulgence for Navalny, can you find it?
        2. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 17 October 2013 14: 39
          0
          articles of the economic bloc that do not allow qualifying economic crimes as crimes and minimizing responsibility for them, so to speak, humanization of justice, are indulgences. A competent fraudster and competent lawyers, everything is written for them.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 17 October 2013 15: 39
            +1
            Quote: nov_tech.vrn
            everything is written for them.

            By whom?
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 17 October 2013 10: 40
    +2
    It is strange that they did not justify and did not reward.
    1. nbw
      nbw 17 October 2013 11: 14
      0
      It is strange that they did not justify and did not reward.
      The pro-American junta is weakening. They could only "grease", and even then with a creak. [Vanga_mode Soon they will call to London urgently, and leave there. /].
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 17 October 2013 11: 26
        +1
        The pro-American junta is weakening. They could only "grease", and even then with a creak.

        Oh ... what
        1. nbw
          nbw 17 October 2013 11: 30
          +2
          I want to believe in the best wassat
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 17 October 2013 11: 51
            +1
            I want to believe in the best

            OH WHAT YOU WANTsoldier
      2. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 17 October 2013 13: 00
        0
        Quote: nbw
        It is strange that they did not justify and did not reward.
        The pro-American junta is weakening. They could only "grease", and even then with a creak.

        I would be very grateful for a description of the mechanism of smearing hi
        1. nbw
          nbw 17 October 2013 14: 03
          +1
          What matters here is not so much the mechanism as the result wink Found guilty? Recognized. Planted? Not planted. All.
          And the mechanism should be very simple, like a call / letter from a "friendly" embassy: "Hello, Albert Alexandrovich? Today you will read out the sentence to a good person. Be gentle, please. Otherwise, you risk falling under the Magnitsky Act and yours. property in Italy (for example) will be seized and seized. Goodbye. "
          During the performance of Navalny, Albert Prytkov began to touch his fingers, frown and even lick his lips.

          Interesting description http://izvestia.ru/news/558929 smile This moment is especially delightful:
          Lawyers are gloomy. The officer covers his face with his hand.

          Calmer than all Bulk.

          He probably knows what others at the defense table do not know.
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 17 October 2013 14: 19
            0
            Alas, it would be funny if it weren’t so sad.sad
          2. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 17 October 2013 15: 10
            +1
            Quote: nbw
            What matters here is not so much the mechanism as the result
            For you - maybe, I - politely allegorically asked a specific question wink
            Found guilty? Recognized
            In espionage, in lobbying for Western interests - what?

            And the mechanism should be very simple
            I do not care what it SHOULD be: if you undertake to say something, you should at least imagine how the mechanism works that leads to the result that you claim to be true. And the details of this mechanism should not contradict logic, and should be at least partially supported by facts.

            like a call / letter from a "friendly" embassy
            Do you blame the FSB for professional impotence?

            He probably knows what others at the defense table do not know.
            And it can be anything - from assurances of immunity from Biden to assurances of immunity from Putin.
            1. nbw
              nbw 17 October 2013 15: 58
              +1
              In espionage, in lobbying for Western interests - what?
              Well what are you pretending to be, really. He is being tried for corruption.
              And the details of this mechanism should not contradict logic
              The mother country affects the processes occurring in the colony. Logically not?
              and should be at least partially supported by facts.
              The "Magnitsky Bill" adopted to manipulate Russian officials with property abroad. Fact.
              Do you blame the FSB for professional impotence?
              I am not accusing anyone of anything, it seemed to you. If one thinks in this way, then one should blame the USSR Government for surrendering the country to the enemy. laughing Yes, it’s a pity, the government dispersed to the Landons, not to get it.
              And it can be anything - from assurances of immunity from Biden to assurances of immunity from Putin.
              This is only information for consideration. I repeat once again, to prove something to you is pointless. This is how to prove to a soldier of the opposing army that he is fighting for a wrong cause wassat Yes, he may already know this, but he has such a job.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 17 October 2013 18: 39
                0
                Quote: nbw
                Well what are you pretending to be, really. He is tried for corruption.
                That is, he is being tried for his personal use of his official position? belay

                The mother country affects the processes occurring in the colony. Logically not?
                Half: the processes occurring in the colonies affect the metropolis, but this is not important - where is the evidence that the Russian Federation is a colony? What are the mechanisms that force the Russian Federation to be in the position of a colony, if it is in it? (in general, a colony possessing nuclear weapons is an absurdity)

                The Magnitsky Bill "adopted to manipulate Russian officials holding property abroad. Fact
                The existence of the bill is of course a fact, the only paradox is that this bill is directed against corrupt officials, that is, it is directed against (and helps to identify) those people who are agents of the State Department in your system.

                I don't blame anyone for anything
                Minute: in a previous post you wrote very clearly that in exchange for a preventive measure in bulk was enough "call / letter". That is, you accused the FSB of professional impotence. and now you are refusing?

                This is only information for consideration.
                unsubstantiated statement that Navalny "Probably knows what others do not know" is information for consideration? belay

                I repeat once again, to prove something to you is pointless
                Especially in the absence of evidence - right? laughing

                This is how to prove to the soldier of the opposing army that he is fighting for the wrong cause. Yes, he may know that, but he has such a job.
                I will ask again:

                All "Your conclusions" are variations repeating the chatter of Zhenya Fedorov, who argued that Putin canceled the 2004-FZ "On Production Sharing Agreements" in 225, argued that Putin tried to nationalize the Central Bank in 2000.
                And if so, please be kind enough to provide links to official sources confirming the above.
  • Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 17 October 2013 11: 17
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    that we have a law, it seems, but not for everyone. So selectively.
    Are there still those who believe that Serdyukov will receive a term?

    I was convinced of this a long time ago. If, for example, someone steals a can of cucumbers from someone else’s basement, gets three years (not conditionally because he is a thief), and if he steals 16 “lyamov” as Anal or as “Taburetkin” who stole “yards” (however what I’m talking about, he’s a victim, he was deceived), he will receive conditionally or even evade the answer. Here is such an oil painting. And the fact that they will put Taburetkina is unlikely. I recall a quote from one very famous film - "Whoever planted him, he is a monument." The conclusion is simple, you need to steal a lot and be closer to the "powers that be", sadly, however.
  • bubla5
    bubla5 17 October 2013 11: 32
    0
    Well, that you have arranged a discussion here, a respectable and honest person will never go into politics and will not let him go, but an adventurer and a freak, a man who spares no bones for power, we just need this to raise the country and was a leader, and how he will make it on the bones of oligarchs and stealing officials or the common population HERE IS THIS QUESTION is more interesting and the main public punishment by an ice ax is for those who have stolen, steals and live behind a hill
  • New Russia
    New Russia 17 October 2013 11: 33
    +1
    If Putin planted Navalny would have hit on his own. When Serdyukov Skrynnik Bilalov and others who stole tens of billions at large, put Navalny for several millions, this would be clearly a political matter in the eyes of his supporters and opponents. I don’t understand that the comments here rejoice, it’s not cold for us to feel cold, they are promoting Navalny to replace Putin, how Yeltsin was replaced by Putin in the conditions when an imminent change of power is inevitable, they are trying to drag a pro-American liberal puppet (Putin was now Navalny), comment on the incomprehensible the joy of some will not even be, it's just nonsense.
    Here is a selection of the achievements of the great knee-lifter whose victory you are so happy only for yesterday.

    Yesterday, student dormitory prices rose 10-fold due to a new education law. http://lenta.ru/comments/articles/2013/10/16/hostels/

    Economic growth in the 3rd quarter finally stopped, then the recession http://www.rosbalt.ru/business/2013/10/16/1188494.html

    In Russia, potato prices have risen sharply; since the beginning of the year, 23% per year is projected to grow by a third. http://lenta.ru/news/2013/10/16/potato/

    The growth of overdue loans immediately by one third, people have nothing to pay on loans. http://lenta.ru/news/2013/10/16/credits/

    What a cool power, it’s just nauseous) There is no difference between Navalny and Putin.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 17 October 2013 11: 38
      0
      Sorry, my neighbor at the dacha robbed the stall when I was drunk. Planted. But they shouldn't have. Because Serdyukov and Navalny are free. Did I understand you correctly?
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 17 October 2013 11: 49
        0
        Everyone should be imprisoned, both Serdyukov and Navalny, but petty criminals in prison are made criminals, so ideally your neighbor should still be released. In general, the fact that your neighbor sat behind a stall and stolen billions at large eloquently says that in our country there are untouchables for which there is no law. Respect for power, to put it mildly, does not add
    2. atalef
      atalef 17 October 2013 11: 38
      +3
      What a cool power, it’s just nauseous) There is no difference between Navalny and Putin.

      In general, there is a difference, one in general is the power and the president, the second would seem to be like not yet. One says everything is fine, the other is bad. And there’s no difference in the fact that they steal the same way, or rather, they steal one in millions of rubles, and the second in billions of dollars (I don’t say that personally, but his friends are at least) And so - all the same
    3. nbw
      nbw 17 October 2013 11: 49
      0
      What a cool power, it’s just nauseous) There is no difference between Navalny and Putin.

      And here liberonatsiki on a hot ride up fellow Hi Hi hi Don’t feed you bread, just give Putin ob.s.srat laughing
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 17 October 2013 12: 04
        +1
        And what is it about obs. To beat, he obscures himself, I posted the news for you yesterday, have nothing to answer? And further. If you sincerely think that only liberals are against Putin, show me at least one patriot who is for Putin)
        1. nbw
          nbw 17 October 2013 12: 16
          -2
          Well, I'm telling you that the anti-Russian government is doing this (for example, D.V. Livanov is a typical American agent who effectively destroys education in Russia). You say that "the bloody Puten is to blame for everything!" We will not find a common language for me until you grow up and grow wiser, and stop unconditionally believing everything that "party comrades" and all sorts of agents from the pages of the occupation media tell you. Well, or you won’t grow wiser. If we get lucky. But I believe in you laughing
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 17 October 2013 12: 52
            +2
            “You claim that“ the bloody Puten is to blame for everything! ”He bears the main responsibility under the law. A year ago I also believed Fedorov that the country was sinking to the bottom became clear back in 2011, Fedorov said that we had to wait a little and everything would change ) And how much longer to wait? And what changes are only for the worse? If he ruled for 5 years, you can still believe that someone is forcing him, but after 13 years, and even you have to wait until 18, he cannot change anything. The answer is obvious. does not want and cannot.

            "until you grow up and grow wiser, and stop unconditionally believing everything" Who told you that Fedorov is the ultimate truth?) And that he is an intellectual at all?

            "Well, or you won't. How lucky." Wiser already) I used to believe Fedorov, but now no) And you will wiser)

            And further. Putin said that there will be no visa regime with Asia. Do you believe that he was forced to say this and then he changes his mind?
    4. alekseyal
      alekseyal 17 October 2013 12: 08
      -2
      The fact is that Russia does not have full state sovereignty.
      The government and the authorities are fighting between the patriots and the fifth column of the United States. Remember Yeltsin, he was a US puppet and carried out all their orders (at the same time he shot the parliament from tanks), the US media and their sixes did not scold Yeltsin.
      As soon as Putin began to gradually restore sovereignty and get out of US control, a full-scale information war began against him.
      The American agent Gorbachev destroyed the USSR in 6 years.
      If Putin acted to the detriment of Russia, it would have long been gone.

      1. In 1999, during the attack of Basayev’s gangs on Dagestan, largely thanks to Putin, Russia did not fall apart. Although the US plan was to fall apart.
      2. At the time of Yeltsin, Russia was ruled by a seven-banker, oligarchs ruled by power. Putin has done away with this system. Some were imprisoned (although it would have been necessary to imprison everyone), others were removed from power.
      3. The cancellation of the PSA of the production sharing agreement, after which the commodity companies began to pay taxes to the Russian budget, budget revenues for one year increased several times.

      It is clear that the current owner of the US world does not like this and therefore he (through controlled media in Russia and abroad) is trying to pour mud on Putin.
      Moreover, in the Russian government there are a lot of US agents who act in the interests of their master.
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 17 October 2013 12: 31
        0
        "If Putin acted to the detriment of Russia, it would be gone for a long time."

        You do not understand???? It is not profitable for him to ruin it right away, because in this case the inevitable revolution and the revival of the country from the ashes will ensue. But if slowly, year after year, according to the Ost plan, first destroy medicine and education, then science and the army, and at the same time stuff pockets for themselves and friends, gradually carrying out the genocide of Russians and replace them with barbarians, this is beneficial.
        1. alekseyal
          alekseyal 17 October 2013 13: 17
          0
          You can simply compare the situations of the 90s and 2000s.
          It is clear that there are many problems. But I lived in 90 years. And I can compare.
          Salaries and pensions were not paid for six months. Now basically everything is paid.
          Money is now allocated to medicine, much more.
          About the army in general, compared with 90 huge amounts of money are allocated.
          First, the American agent Fursenko is ruining science and education, and now the American agent Livanov.
          The government and authorities are full of agents who act in the interests of the United States and its sixes. There is a struggle within the government.

          Quote: New Russia
          It is not profitable for him to ruin it right away, because in this case the inevitable revolution and the revival of the country from the ashes will ensue.

          The argument is untenable, if Putin’s goal was the collapse of the country, he would have done it a long time ago. And he celebrated his anniversary in London, as agent Gorbachev.
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 17 October 2013 13: 26
            0
            "If Putin's goal was to break up the country, he would have done it long ago." In the event of the collapse of the country, mass protests of people would inevitably take place, the declaration of Putin as an enemy of the people and the coming to power of tough radical forces that, like Stalin, in 10 years, with the help of executions, will make RFii a great Russia. Do you really think that during the turmoil people will stay at home and wait for something? People's democracy will begin with the help of clubs and Molotov cocktails, people will not accept the disappearance of the country and will restore order themselves.
          2. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 17 October 2013 15: 49
            0
            Quote: alekseyal
            You can simply compare situations 90 and 2000
            No problem - all the jambs and pluses until 01.01.2000/08/2 - these are the jambs and pluses of EBNya - what is the difference between the beginning of the 99th (end of the 2nd term of Putin) and the end of the XNUMXth (end of the XNUMXnd term of EBN)?

            Money is now allocated to medicine, much more etc.
            Estimate as a percentage of GDP or the budget?

            First, American agent Fursenko breaks up science and education, and now American agent Livanov
            US agents appointed by Putin.

            The government and authorities are full of agents who act in the interests of the United States and its sixes. There is a struggle inside the government
            Surnames and examples of struggle.

            The argument is untenable, if Putin’s goal was the collapse of the country, he would have done it a long time ago.
            And (Putin or the West) would lose all nishtyaki from the current state of affairs, therefore - the argument is untenable and is an unfounded chatter - mechanisms?

            PS In general, this is insanity - at first the person declares that Russia is in occupation, and then says that if the Gauleiter wanted, he would have escaped. laughing

            Miilai - would he let him ?! !!!
            1. alekseyal
              alekseyal 17 October 2013 20: 12
              -3
              Putin advocated a ban on giving our children for adoption in the United States (in fact, he stopped paying tribute to children in the United States).
              Minister Livanov and Golodets (and many others in the government) opposed (acting in the interests of the United States)
              The government and Medvedev constantly want to privatize everything (transfer public property to the west for unsecured pieces of paper), in fact, these actions are sabotaged (the privatization plan for 2013 was disrupted)
              We are sabotaging privatization - and rightly so.
              http://nstarikov.ru/blog/25339
              http://nstarikov.ru/blog/18169
              If, in your words, Putin is an agent of the West, why is he protecting Syria, the United States and its sixes do not like this very much. Medvedev, by the way, handed over to Libya (traitor, it’s time to resign)
              The entire system of selection for power is under the control of the United States, and they will not allow people who are not on the hook to be placed in key positions (the Department of Education is on this list).
              All Fursenko (US agent) scolded, he was removed. The Americans put their agent, who is generally frostbitten (he began the liquidation of the RAS)
              The president by his authority is not the king, and not even the secretary general, and he cannot change everything right away. Especially when around the fifth column of traitors.
              With something we do not agree in his actions, for example, the WTO did not have to enter.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 17 October 2013 22: 12
                0
                Putin advocated a ban on giving our children - 13.07.2011/XNUMX/XNUMX Putin RATIFIED the agreement on the sale of children. He spoke out for the ban only after the Magnitsky act became a reality.

                Minister Livanov and Golodets opposed - That is why they are appointed by Putin to their posts

                The government and Medvedev constantly want to privatize everything - That is why Putin speaks out against the nationalization of extractive companies, rattles about the need for privatization, and appoints the government and iPhone to their posts.

                in fact, these actions are sabotaged - Actually (according to the statements of Fedorov quoted by you), there’s nothing to sell, since if you believe Zhenya, 95% of the enterprises are owned by foreign capital

                If, in your words, Putin is an agent of the West, why is he protecting Syria - According to my words, Putin is a representative of a group operating as an ordinary organized crime group: the goals of the organized crime group are to protect existing territories and capture new areas of influence (hence success in foreign policy). The well-being of the suckers living in the territories controlled by the organized crime group does not belong to the goals of the organized crime group - hence the disastrous (from the point of view of the average citizen) internal policy, the purpose of which is not prosperity, but to prevent rebellion.

                Medvedev incidentally passed Libya - And he jammed Georgia. Stop raving - Vova has been pulling Dima with him since the mid-90s (if not earlier), it was Vova who urged him to vote for Dima - the iPhone does nothing on its own

                The entire power selection system is under US control - And before Lavrov, from whom the daughter in the states studied, that means they did not reach - could not?
                People are appointed to all positions (related to conducting both foreign and domestic policies) by the president: there are no mechanisms that allow statesmen to be promoted to positions related to foreign policy, but not allowing to do the same when filling vacancies related to domestic politics.

                Americans put their agent - You are talking nonsense: just interesting - try to describe the mechanism of this action

                The president by his authority is not the king, and not even the secretary general - Puzzled by carefully reading the Constitution "written by mattresses", you will make a discovery - the president of the Russian Federation has less powers than the tsar, but more than the general secretary: in fact, the Russian Federation has an elected constitutional monarchy (and the Constitution is constantly violated by its guarantor)

                Especially when around the fifth column - This is an unproven chatter

                WTO did not have to enter “Not only that, it’s not necessary: ​​joining the WTO is a violation of 53-FZ of 01.06.05/2/80, part 1 of 4, part 68 of XNUMX and part XNUMX of the Constitution.
                1. alekseyal
                  alekseyal 18 October 2013 05: 32
                  0
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  95% of enterprises are owned by foreign capital

                  95% large of private enterprises (in the Forbes list, 100% of Russian billionaires are foreign entrepreneurs, factories are registered in offshore and abroad), and there are also (remained) state-owned enterprises. It is Medvedev who wants to privatize them (to give them for pieces of paper that cost nothing to the public property).
                  Putin also talks about privatization (but actually sabotages), he is also a scout.
                  In 2008, Medvedev chewed a snot for a day, until Putin called and put everyone in, only after that they began to act.

                  Our entire state system, the state machine was created by the Americans in the early 90s!
                  Of course, it was created by them for themselves. How new is their colony! All positions in the ministry of middle and senior management were duplicated by American advisers !!! In Moscow at that moment, up to 20 thousand of them worked. It was they who developed the new Russian laws, which were then introduced into the Duma. Even the post of minister, it was a pure fiction. He was directly subordinate to one of the oligarchs. And he received all the instructions from him. This was called semibankirshchina, since then something has changed. But there are still a lot of American agents.

                  About the WTO, well, at least in something we have an opinion converge smile
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 18 October 2013 16: 12
                    0
                    Quote: alekseyal
                    Medvedev wants to privatize them (to give them for pieces of paper that cost nothing to the public property)
                    Medvedev was appointed by Putin, and any country in the world is ready to exchange any goods for pieces of paper that cost nothing — it is not worth primitizing the attitude to the dollar.

                    Putin also talks about privatization (but in fact sabotages), he's a scout
                    Try to describe the sabotage mechanism.
                    As for the scout, any scout is primarily a natural liar - a psychological chameleon, whose work is reduced to wiring and betraying people who believed him. In no other country in the world would a former operative who had contact with an adversary, possibly recruited and, moreover, who did not go through many years of filtering, become the head of state - this happened only twice and only here (you have a very infantile attitude to such things - and not only to him)

                    In 2008, Medvedev chewed a snot for a day, until Putin called and inserted everyone, only after that they began to act
                    You somehow decide - you say that the iPhone almost devil in the flesh surrendered Libya, with which Putin can’t do anything, and now declare that Dima received from Vova stick: and this already says that Dima without Vova step not set foot, and it means Libya was handed over precisely by Vova.

                    Our entire state system, the state machine was created by the Americans in the early 90s!
                    Let us not repeat the stars of Fedorov, but instead try to describe the mechanism of the "victory" of the amers.

                    All positions in the ministry of middle and senior management were duplicated by American advisers !!!
                    Surnames of advisers?

                    In Moscow at that moment, up to 20 thousand of them worked.
                    A source of information?

                    It was called semibankirshchina
                    Drop this term into the search engine, read and do not drive the snowstorm.

                    About the WTO, well, at least in something we have an opinion converge
                    It does not agree: you call it “there was no need to join,” I call it a crime leading, in contrast to what Oldikov and Fedorov tell their tales about, to the real surrender of the country's sovereignty.
  • sys-1985
    sys-1985 17 October 2013 11: 48
    +3
    "If only, if only, but in the mouth ...." All this is good or not .. no one will answer. In addition to Basement, our eagles fly higher and fatter .. and no one moves to plant them. All around us, but ours.
    1. alekseyal
      alekseyal 17 October 2013 13: 20
      +1
      I think and hope that large and fat birds will be planted soon.
      We need a purge of power from the fifth column and American agents.
      1. Hon
        Hon 17 October 2013 13: 23
        +2
        Quote: alekseyal
        I think and hope that large and fat birds will be planted soon.
        We need a purge of power from the fifth column and American agents.

        They already wrote that hope dies last ...