Serdyukov said, Serdyukov made ... Or a trip from Monino to Voronezh

In June of this year, the release of young lieutenants took place at the Zhukovsky and Gagarin Air Force Academy, located in the city of Voronezh. About 1200 people graduated from the Academy, and not only Russians are among them. Citizens of foreign countries in Africa, Latin America and Asia have also become professional military graduates of the prestigious Russian military high school. Diplomas of military meteorologists and lieutenant shoulder straps received 38 girls. 16 "freshly baked" lieutenants from the hands of the Commander of the Air Force Viktor Bondarev received gold medals for excellent mastery of professional skills. The release, as it should be, was held in a solemn and festive atmosphere. However, the holiday has hung over the moment with, to put it mildly, ambiguous coloring, which has continued to be discussed over the past couple years.


Serdyukov said, Serdyukov made ... Or a trip from Monino to Voronezh


This, of course, about the sensational translation of the famous Air Force Academy. prof. N.E. Zhukovsky and Yu.A.Gagarin from Monino (Moscow region) to Voronezh. 12 July 2011, then Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov, by order No. XXUMX, translates VUNC Air Force "Professor N.Ye. Air Force Academy Zhukovsky and Yu.A. Gagarin. The order was proudly called “On Measures to Improve the Training System in Military Educational Institutions of Higher Professional Education of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation”. And if the order to the light was born in July 1136 of the year, then the transfer of the academy was to take place before 2011 September (the same year). And it took place ...

Voronezh is certainly a wonderful city, with the richest military and educational traditions, but ... Why Voronezh is better suited for "improving the system of personnel training" than Monino, who has both military and educational ones clearly neither poorer nor paler than Voronezh? Why did it seem to Anatoly Eduardovich that the banks of the Voronezh River are suitable for academic training of future Air Force specialists better than the territory of the “near Moscow Region”. Perhaps, the land in the Schelkovsky district of the Moscow region, with its price alone, hampered the former defense minister “to improve the system”. So to say, she pressed with her material value ... And now she doesn’t press - how much land has been freed. But after all, if Mr. Serdyukov had spent a few more years in his previous position, perhaps the academy would also be transferred somewhere from Voronezh too - away. There, where with the prices of land and real estate there are no problems at all. There is no land (there is permafrost), no real estate, no problems either ... On Wrangel Island, for example ... Taimyr ...

But the “generalissimo” Serdyukov was brought under the monastery by his ladies' guards in time. Well, as summed up ... Amorous adventures were revealed, but economic crimes, you know, no. Investigators in any way, you see, cannot “dig up” evidence. But the minister’s resignation took place, and what was the root cause - “love-love” or other areas - is not so important in this context.

And after this resignation, people who were out of the academy (professors, candidates and doctors of science with vast experience) cheered up and began to hope that the academy would return to its native walls again. But time passes, and the institution of higher education is not going to transfer back to Monino. If such a transfer does not take place in the near future, then the Moninsky territories, which formerly belonged to the Academy, will turn into what all closed military higher educational institutions of the country turned into - desolation and dead silence, occasionally disturbed by the exclamations of metal hunters or rustle of leaves, which can be swept by the janitor’s broom .

By the way, former employees of an elite military high school are now working as wipers in Monino. For example, the former associate professor of the department of command and control of troops, Vladimir Saperov, for whom, apparently, there was no place in the “new” academy, sweeps autumn leaves from the tracks and grounds, which hundreds of cadets and employees of the educational institution that had prepared this Air Force



Vladimir Saperov and other members of the 19 Academy in October 2011 received a letter of resignation from teaching. More than one and a half thousand people, of whom many are real luminaries of the domestic military teaching activity, as it was announced, did not want to move to Voronezh, and therefore remained without their work. Even assuming that all teachers, without exception, offered to move "along with the work" from Monino a little to the south, while no one spoke of the provision of guarantees, including in the form of housing. Throwing their homes and go where new housing was hardly going to provide for the teaching staff - an action that people simply could not decide on. Well, in order to identify the culprits, the previous leadership of the military department went on an interesting move, announced that, they say, they “got stuck”, “they don’t want to work”, “not modern”, “outdated”, etc. Like, we are not to blame, it's all of them - “old men” ...

The “old men” did not sit on the sidelines, and began active work aimed at trying to return the academy to the place from which Mr. Serdyukov had torn it off. The number of letters that the academy sent to various government addresses is difficult to calculate. The letter was sent to the name of the then President Dmitry Medvedev, the notorious head of the Department of Education today Ekaterina Priezezhevoy, chairman of the UK Alexander Bastrykin, Secretary of the Security Council Nikolai Patrushev, parliamentary leaders, Vladimir Putin.
We present an excerpt from a letter from the head of the working group of the scientific council of the VUNC Air Force “VVA na N.Ye. Zhukovsky and Yu.A.Gagarin” I.Naydyonov addressed to N.Patrushev:

Dear Nikolai Platonovich!

We are members of the Academic Council of the Military Training and Scientific Center of the Air Force "Air Force Academy named after Professor N.Ye. Zhukovsky and Yu.A. Gagarin ”(VBVTS VVS VVA, g. Monino), we appeal to you with deep indignation at the insult inflicted on us and the entire scientific and pedagogical community of our high school on the report you submitted to the President of the Russian Federation. The Ministry of Defense of Russia (AE Serdyukov), the educational and material base and infrastructure of these academies are morally and physically outdated. A significant part of the teaching staff is in the pre-retirement and retirement age, which negatively affects the level of educational, methodical and scientific work. ”

We have no doubt that you understand the complete absurdity of such an “assessment” of the work of a teacher, teacher and scientist. With such an assessment, it remains only to submit proposals to the President of Russia for closing the Russian Academy of Sciences (the Security Council of the Russian Federation from VUNC VVS VVA presented all the necessary documents confirming this absurdity).


The letter contains information that speaks of the “reasons” for the transfer of the academy: statesmen considered that the academy “is outdated” - from work programs to faculty members. Moreover, Nikolai Patrushev himself in August 2011 of the year (after the release of Serdyukov’s order) writes to Dmitry Medvedev “the dispatch” that there is no need to worry about the future of military academics teachers. Writes in a peculiar form:

AE Serdyukov notes that teachers and researchers of the VUZV VVS Air Force and the VA Zhukovsky Military Academy of Education will be given the opportunity to continue the research and teaching activities after passing the recertification ...

They say, Dmitry Anatolyevich, nothing will happen to these teachers - Serdyukov said, Serdyukov did ... He would re-certify a little and that was all ...

The fact that someone was going to retest the doctors of science with their subsequent translation (possible, since “they will be given the opportunity) is a strong, seruyuk-style ...

In general, we can assume that now no one will return the academy to its place. And according to the old tradition: years will pass, heaps and stakes will remain at Monino from the academic complex (if they don’t even sell it to the cunning businessmen), and then a brilliant idea will come to someone’s mind - and why is Monino something “empty” for us? “Let's turn the academy back and forth ...”



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  1. Igor39 17 October 2013 09: 21 New
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    If Serdyukov and his TEAM are not imprisoned, personally in my eyes Comrade P loses his authority, something like that.
    1. klimpopov 17 October 2013 09: 30 New
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      They will not be imprisoned! So that...
      1. Igor39 17 October 2013 09: 35 New
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        I do not lose hope for a fair sentence smile
        1. Goodmen 17 October 2013 10: 04 New
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          My opinion is that they would like to plant, whether they would already plant.
          But why aren’t they planting, if such a hype was raised, and why was it necessary to raise it at all, if they were deliberately not going to plant it?
          That is the question. They there are not fools there ... anyone, but not fools. Understand that with such schools of Serdyukovism and without landings ... the electorate will not understand.
          Maybe we are preparing a "goat" next in the form of some kind of reform / privatization / default, or even the devil knows what? And then Serdyukov and his women to pay off the electorate? IMHO
          I do not specifically name us as we are an electorate for them !!! And no further !!! And do not engage in self-deception !!! We are an electorate both for the left, and for the right, and for the Nashi, and for the marsh, and for the upper, lower, and other rubbish ...
          Well, in our country there is no sane political team with a serious patriotic leader!
          1. soaring 17 October 2013 11: 57 New
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            This is exactly the electorate ... Or vegetables, as the "golden youth" calls us ...
          2. fennekRUS 17 October 2013 13: 46 New
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            most likely they are pulling back to amnesty. convictively, and amnesty.
          3. timer
            timer 17 October 2013 21: 38 New
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            I agree 100% on the last sentence! And so that at least a prototype would appear, I propose the following — at the first stage, let's unite, first by correspondence, into a political club. At the second stage, we will arrange a meeting. Who will be interested in my proposal and who wants to start creating a team, write to me at [email protected]
        2. LaGlobal 17 October 2013 11: 35 New
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          Quote: Igor39
          I do not lose hope


          she will die last, perhaps.
        3. Alexander Romanov 17 October 2013 13: 19 New
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          Quote: Igor39
          I do not lose hope

          You have hope, you are a happy person wink
        4. sasha127
          sasha127 17 October 2013 16: 00 New
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          Hope, the last dies. I personally am on a fair sentence, I do not hope.
        5. KazaK Bo 17 October 2013 16: 46 New
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          Quote: Igor39
          I do not lose hope for a fair sentence smile

          .... for sure ... it will be so, it will receive it in full ... LIFETIME CONDITION CONDITION ... for staying in a 13-room apartment ...
      2. waisson
        waisson 17 October 2013 19: 11 New
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        shame on our food and CARE and the net will not be in a row in other states they are removed because they know a lot and we have covered because they are members of the same thieves' family
    2. gispanec 17 October 2013 10: 08 New
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      If Serdyukov and his TEAM are not imprisoned, personally in my eyes Comrade P loses his authority, something like that. [/ Quote]
      and you still have authority for P ?? ..... well now it’s definitely not going to be .... they won’t put a little heart ..... I put 100 bucks
      1. rsv75
        rsv75 17 October 2013 11: 26 New
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        Conditionally for - years. Same term. Conventions saved. All is well.
        1. Airman
          Airman 17 October 2013 12: 19 New
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          Quote: rsv75
          Conditionally for - years. Same term. Conventions saved. All is well.

          Conditionally? Too much, he will not be able to go on vacation abroad.
          1. KazaK Bo 17 October 2013 16: 50 New
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            Too much, he will not be able to go on vacation abroad.

            ... and so he can’t go abroad on personal matters, like a top category secret bearer ...
            1. Doctor71
              Doctor71 20 October 2013 13: 13 New
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              Do you believe that? One secret bearer of the highest category lives quietly in London. Honey does.
      2. vladimirZ 17 October 2013 11: 43 New
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        I wonder who is hiding under the modest symbol "Comrade P"?
        Really comrade Putin? With the consent of which Serdyukov destroyed, the glorified Air Force Academy. prof. N.E. Zhukovsky and Yu.A. Gagarin transferred from Monino (Moscow region) to Voronezh, where there has never been a serious aviation training base. There was a school for the training of specialists in the field of meteorology and auxiliary aerodrome and aviation services and all.
        It is necessary to say bluntly, a completely military crime affecting the combat readiness of the air forces of Russia, and therefore of all the Armed Forces of the state, of Russia itself.
        Now explain to me, who has ceased to understand in this life where is white and where is black, how can such "reforms" be made in a sober mind and bright memory, for whom do such "statesmen" work, whose interests they actually pursue in Russia?
        1. bear 17 October 2013 17: 46 New
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          Certainly not ours with you.
        2. 77bor1973
          77bor1973 17 October 2013 21: 17 New
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          Is it always like in Russia? —When a "roasted rooster", in the form of some first-class army, our supreme "boobies" do not bite into one place, but before that it can be reformed, disbanded, "sawed", etc. ...
      3. Hon
        Hon 17 October 2013 11: 57 New
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        [quote = gispanec] If Serdyukov and his TEAM are not imprisoned, personally in my eyes Comrade P loses his authority, something like that. [/ quote]
        and you still have authority to P ?? ..... well now it definitely won’t .... they won’t put a little heart ..... I put 100 bucks [/ quote]
        It's funny to read these comments now. Six months ago, Comrade P was a sacred cow. Those who wrote about the fact that the stigma in his gun was automatically enlisted in the ranks of agents of the State Department. The site already resembles the opposition. Supporters P showered with minuses. How fast things are changing ...
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 17 October 2013 12: 09 New
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          "Those who wrote about the fact that the stigma in his gun was automatically enlisted in the ranks of agents of the State Department." Go to the branch about Navalny and see these types) I mock them over there ahah
          1. Hon
            Hon 17 October 2013 12: 34 New
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            I started commenting on you there before)
        2. Realist58 18 October 2013 00: 41 New
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          Well, sometimes it comes to a fool.
          I told friends back in the 2000s that voting for Putin is the same as putting all the money into zero.
          The chance to win is negligible)))
    3. FunkschNNX 17 October 2013 10: 34 New
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      how can you lose what is not?
    4. Airman
      Airman 17 October 2013 12: 26 New
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      The professors and doctors of sciences were replaced by young, wild teachers (with two e), and the whole process of teaching has changed for the worse, because continuity is lost.
    5. Col. 17 October 2013 12: 32 New
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      Quote: Igor39
      If they don't put Serdyukov and his TEAM


      If it were my will, I would be very pleased to personally put him on a rough stake! Monino is my homeland (by the way, in the second photo there is a garrison house of officers, against which I was photographed in a stroller on the 7 of November 1959 of the year, I keep the photo!). My father studied there at the navigational faculty, which was then led by General Belyakov, the navigator of the legendary Chkalovsky crew. In those glorious years, only officers studied in the VVA, moreover, they already had experience in military service. THROUGH the BBA went ALL the command of the USSR Air Force. Now the academy has been “lowered” to the level of the school, gaining yesterday’s schoolchildren and girls ... I was in the summer at the CSKA exhibition “Innovation Day of the Ministry of Defense”, specially approached the WWA exposition and talked with officers and its representatives. After listening to them, he was horrified: such wrecking and betrayal by the authorities did not fit into my head! When transferring to Voronezh, 100% of the teaching staff (reserve officers, retired and civilian specialists) quit. Of the teachers - staff officers, only a few people went who need to be promoted to retirement and (or) get housing. Everything! Now they are taught there by those who themselves still need to be taught and taught! Isn't that a crime ?! But GDP is nothing! He and the Russian Academy of Sciences threw at the mercy of "effective managers", spitting on the call of 120 of thousands of scientists to prevent this "reform". But these 120 of thousands are not just an "electorate", they are the true elite of society! Here we have such a "guarantor", eprst!
      1. Grenader 17 October 2013 12: 50 New
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        Russia vitally needs the 37th year. He has not just matured, he has already matured. Otherwise, the fucking elite will finish the country to the last. They are already tapping on state property not sawed into the 90s. All this corruption shushara sucks all the juices of the country, impoverishing it and bloodless, and sucks everything to the last drop, and then it rinses off. In order for Russia to survive, they must be planted and fired in batches.
      2. Walker1975
        Walker1975 17 October 2013 12: 59 New
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        Found a quote:
        MEDVEDEV. Anatoly Serdyukov is a successful minister. Over the past 4–5 years, in the sense of reforming the system of the Ministry of Defense, he has done as much as anyone else before him.

        I also recalled how President Yeltsin called Grachev the best defense minister. Grachev promised to defeat Chechnya with one regiment in two hours. 20 years of this promise will soon be fulfilled.

        And yet, once I don’t remember the name of the general, he promised to restore order in Afghanistan by forces (I'm afraid to lie to a division or regiment, but even a division) of one Airborne Division per week.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 17 October 2013 19: 50 New
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          Quote: Walker1975
          Found a quote:
          I also remembered how President Yeltsin called Grachev the best Minister of Defense

          I also remembered how President Putin ... laughing
      3. duke
        duke 18 October 2013 09: 03 New
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        Well, you're really bloodthirsty - on a rough count - there will be a few splinters, can all the same count the skin with a skin? hi
    6. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 17 October 2013 16: 56 New
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      and in the days of Comrade Stalin, they couldn’t even think of such a thing ...
    7. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 17 October 2013 19: 01 New
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      Quote: Igor39
      If Serdyukov and his TEAM are not imprisoned, personally in my eyes Comrade P loses his authority, something like that.

      And the fact that Comrade P repeatedly violated the Constitution, of which he is a guarantor. doesn’t mean anything - should you understand that?
    8. timer
      timer 17 October 2013 21: 31 New
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      They will not be imprisoned. Who put it, Putin. Who knew about his zeal, so to speak, not in the service of his homeland and people, but in his pocket, Putin. Etc. And the whole Putin team is traitors, thieves and shitty managers! In my eyes, Putin has long been no longer a leader, but a mediocrity and a betrayer of the interests of the nation and the state. Because he picked up such a team, and is responsible for them .
      What this Khmyr accountant has done, in particular, on the example of the transfer of the air academy to Voronezh, can be called only as a deliberate collapse.
    9. Combitor 18 October 2013 00: 12 New
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      I do not understand what to pour from empty to empty. YES DON'T LAND SERDYUKOV! He will not even visit the status of a suspect and accused. In his case, the Kremlin helmsman gave the go-ahead. You can not judge Serdyukov. Then the leader next to one bench in a barred pen in the courtroom will have to be planted. In each article and comments the same thing: "Serdyukov - Medvedev." PUTIN! And those who manage it. Serdyukov “flourished” under Putin, and not under Medvedev.
    10. duke
      duke 18 October 2013 08: 59 New
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      it’s not at all bloodthirsty, but I’m thinking about what place to hook this pretzel with a burned conscience and with the face of a real boar ... I can understand a lot, his personal life and the woman’s battalion of “concubines” would hardly touch anyone if it weren’t for broke through the knee of the life of thousands of good people and their families and did not rake the "cabbage" like a snowplow, and the money is either budgetary, that is, popular. A question for connoisseurs - where do they find such seemingly softer-efficient managers?
      1. Col. 18 October 2013 09: 36 New
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        Quote: duke
        A question for connoisseurs - where do they find such seemingly softer-efficient managers?


        Like this, where to find? Everything is in the same place: there are well-established personnel suppliers for Putin’s “vertical of power”:
        1. "People in uniform" - mainly KGB-shniki and FSB-shniki (colleagues of GDP): Bortnikov, Kozhin, Sechin, Levitin, S. Ivanov, Belyaninov, Dmitriev, Sukhorukov, Patrushev, Shchegolev, Kostin, etc.
        2. "St. Petersburg without shoulder straps": DAM, Zubkov, Kozak, Churov, Gref, Rotenberg brothers, Miller, Bogdanov, Klebanov, etc.
        3. "Cooperative" Lake ": Fursenko brothers, Kovalchuk, Shamalov
        4. "Children, relatives, friends," their people ": Serdyukov, Chuyan, sons of Bortnikov, Kozak, Ivanov, Patrushev, Shamalov, relatives of Putin (naturally!), Etc.

        Here is a link to this diagram: http://pravdaoputine.ru/ih-dom-rossiya-shema-zhurnal-the-new-times

        Moreover, all these “cadres” occupy not only warm places in power, but also own the largest enterprises in the banking and financial sectors, gas and oil industries, rail and water transport, air transportation, road construction, etc. How? Try to dump this system! Now we do not live in Russia, but in ZAO Putin and Co.
    11. duke
      duke 18 October 2013 09: 10 New
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      I’m afraid that the president, whom I always thought that he is a sober person, is already so divorced from real life and so surrounded by “right” people from “supranational structures of coordination and management” (as dear Fursov calls streamlined “behind the scenes”) that a step to the left or to the right is already impossible for him ...
  2. Ivanovich47 17 October 2013 09: 44 New
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    I work near the complex of buildings of the former VVA them. Yu.A. Gagarina. I saw how they squander the material-educational base of the academy. I had to visit former classrooms, B.'s building. It seemed that the barbarian fascists behaved like that during the occupation. Foggy smoke stood over the academy for half a year. They burned everything: from educational and methodical literature created over decades to all kinds of layouts. I regret that this smoke did not reach Moscow. Maybe something has changed ...
  3. Stiletto 17 October 2013 09: 46 New
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    For a long time, the acts of Taburetkin and his concubines will hiccup. Even if a fantastic scenario suddenly happens, and he sits down (No, son, it's fantastic!) sad
    1. nov_tech.vrn 17 October 2013 11: 13 New
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      I don’t pose a question of whether or not to plant, it’s definitely a state house, but first of all, it is necessary to restore the destroyed military schools, from Suvorov schools to academies, or was the Bologna system paid for here too?
    2. Walker1975
      Walker1975 17 October 2013 11: 53 New
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      Yes, it is unlikely that the same Vasiliev will receive more than a suspended sentence. Looted for millions, and she has the right to go to boutiques (obviously not for the last money).
  4. Standard Oil 17 October 2013 09: 46 New
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    And in Ryazan, Mr. Feldmebel in the pulp and paper industry and PLC also went around, we really got off with whistled things from the Long-Range Aviation Museum, like that.
    1. Apollo 17 October 2013 09: 48 New
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      stock footage in the topic
  5. MrFYGY 17 October 2013 09: 54 New
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    This is the stability fee. Payment for a stable railway in the domestic policy of Russia. Although, people are good too. Who advocated maintaining the academy in its former place? Few. Many were silent in vain.
  6. Lapotnik 17 October 2013 09: 58 New
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    I don’t understand one thing - some write (here, on the site and they even give them a plus) that it was necessary to change a lot in the military sphere, so to speak by force, resolutely and no one wanted to go for it. Therefore, they put a heart, saying that he did what others did not dare ...

    You damn a bunch of bad words as you imagine? Did he do that good? There are concepts of reform and there are theft and collapse. And here is clearly the last!

    Now they will do science with carbon education - is that also necessary ?? To the ground to destroy so ... but do not worry what's next, not their concern.

    PS Recently, I watched a short interview with one of the leaders in animal husbandry (deputy prime minister), so according to him we are in positive territory, we even work for export ... It’s a pity I wasn’t, I would ask - where are the hens and pigs for "our" factories? Who gets them out? Where does the feed come from, what are the grafts planted for, and damn it, who owns it all, the true and main shareholder, so to speak? It would be interesting to hear.
    1. duke
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      why did they call Lapotnik? Reason it is quite sensible drinks
  7. Anatole Klim 17 October 2013 10: 00 New
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    “The other day it became known that members of the President’s Human Rights Council prepared an amnesty project for the 20th anniversary of the Constitution. Perhaps it will become one of the most massive in the history of the Russian Federation - about 300 thousand people can go beyond the limit. Many odious individuals will go in the forefront. "
    More details at http://argumenti.ru/
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 17 October 2013 11: 39 New
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      I also wanted to write this) First of all, an amnesty is carried out to Vasiliev released. http://izvestia.ru/news/558622 Alyo people they already want to let Vasilyev go, and you all hope for a verdict to Serdyukov? Rather, free yourself from illusions, the sooner this happens, the better for all of us.
  8. falcon 17 October 2013 10: 00 New
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    The phrase “re-certification of the faculty” was simply delighted! And for
    objectivity of the experiment - apparently the certification committee wanted to write out from the Pentagon?
    Article +
  9. Prapor Afonya 17 October 2013 10: 12 New
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    Quote: Igor39
    If Serdyukov and his TEAM are not imprisoned, personally in my eyes Comrade P loses his authority, something like that.

    Are you not from Russia? Vasilyev was imprisoned, everything, the drama with the courts is over, Serdyuchka, poor deceived witness. Only people can conquer him, as in Biryulyovo!
  10. Sergeant
    Sergeant 17 October 2013 10: 12 New
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    It is sad and insulting to look at the results of these .. "reform-cuts."
    Probably, many Smart People have already dropped their hands: how many have been broken and how many forces and means are needed to at least (!) Restore ...
    ..Yes even in the conditions of our "wild capitalism" ...
    sad
  11. IRBIS 17 October 2013 10: 18 New
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    The kid said, the kid did ... Drugan got caught, drugan covered ... And I won’t be surprised to learn that the amnesty was conceived for those who are now going through high-profile cases, and this is not only Serdyukov and K. Everything is fine, everything is clear in concept. ..
    Do not have one hundred rubles, but steal billions and timely share with one hundred friends, and then - life was a success. There is no limit to my disappointment, but hope is still warming somewhere, still warming ...
  12. aviamed90 17 October 2013 10: 23 New
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    Himself finished this reputable institution once.

    I have no words!...

    This is what bothers me.
    WWA graduated officers with higher military education. Those. the officer first graduated from the VVUZ (military school) and only then had the right (from a major post) to enter the VVA.
    Graduates were appointed to command posts in the Air Force (flight, staff, etc., i.e., according to profile).

    Now the VVA is essentially releasing those who formerly graduated from the VVUZ with the rank of “lieutenant” and they proudly called it “ACADEMY”. I am tormented by doubts that there is a substitution of concepts and a confusion of definitions.

    "About 1200 people became graduates of the academy ..." the author writes. And how many are among them with a higher military "academic" education? Or is it not important now?

    In addition, VVC VVA structurally included many of the Air Force that remained after the reforms of the Air Force Higher School of Military Education (military schools). And are these 1200 people a common issue or only from Voronezh?

    And with the teachers acted in a bestial way. They really didn’t deserve it!
    However, in our country this is in the order of things and is no longer surprising.

    Just what next?

    By the way, there is a version that the Air Force Civil Code, Mr. Bondarev (one of the ideologues of the transfer of the Air Force to Voronezh), very zealously complied with the order of the chief for several personal reasons.
    Maybe because at one time he also finished the BBA (with three in diploma) and he still has a grudge against Alma Mater for not appreciating his “commander” talent. Or, he simply has family ties with the leadership of the Voronezh school ...
    But this is not so important. But the important thing is that the training system in the Air Force is virtually destroyed. The performer is Bondarev, the culprit of a higher rank is Serdyukov, and whoever stands at the end of the chain, analyze it yourself.
    1. MrFYGY 17 October 2013 10: 34 New
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      Further we go, worse it becomes . Until the authorities of the ignorant people stop the Russian people.
    2. pahom54
      pahom54 17 October 2013 12: 04 New
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      "... it is important that the training system in the Air Force is virtually destroyed. The performer is Bondarev, the culprit of a higher rank is Serdyukov, and whoever stands at the end of the chain, analyze it yourself ..." ...
      I’m afraid I’m going to sound banal, however, if you blame Serduchka alone, it was called “high treason” at other times and was punishable by the severity of the law. I emphasize: CURRENT LAW !!!
    3. Volkhov
      Volkhov 17 October 2013 12: 25 New
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      Now there is a war and to study late. Moscow becomes a military center - only here there is a missile defense system and a network of underground communications, including to Chkalovskaya near Monino.
      Therefore, they cleared Cherkizon (an underground tank garage at the headquarters of Stalin) and Biryulevo.
      Moscow may well become a great Damascus, where under the ruins of the tunnels scurry the military and operate airfields on the outskirts ...
      They just can’t tell the people why this is necessary, all the more expect the approval of this course, but so far America rules - a step towards escape ...
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 17 October 2013 12: 34 New
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        Cool logic, they destroy us, but simply under pressure from the enemy they can’t say that they have no choice, but in fact they are not to blame)
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 17 October 2013 12: 47 New
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          America is not an adversary, but a colonial master, who from the "Indians" forms the advanced units of his army. This scheme does not fit into the Indian brain yet ...
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 17 October 2013 12: 56 New
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            It is clear to everyone that the power is occupying, but why do you think some Indians are really good?)
            1. Volkhov
              Volkhov 17 October 2013 13: 41 New
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              Indians are us, what should we do for self-criticism? Just trying to understand the process ... without understanding what is happening is impossible.
          2. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 17 October 2013 19: 56 New
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            Quote: Volkhov
            America is not an adversary, but a colonial master
            PROOF OF?!!
            1. Volkhov
              Volkhov 17 October 2013 20: 10 New
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              Revolution, industrialization, perestroika and where the money lies.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 17 October 2013 23: 00 New
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                Quote: Volkhov
                and where the money is.

                And who put them there - right? wink
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                  Volkhov 18 October 2013 07: 33 New
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                  Colonialists always act through the lured top; the order of fund management only confirms this.
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                    Yarosvet 18 October 2013 15: 44 New
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                    Colonialists always act through the lured top; the order of fund management only confirms this.

                    In order for the colonialists to be able to act, the whole elite must be fed, moreover, from the 70s, and this is unrealistic.
                2. duke
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                  Well, how do you like? This is a pay / tribute to the winner for our loss in the war ...
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 18 October 2013 15: 44 New
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                    Quote: duke
                    Well, how do you like? This is a pay / tribute to the winner for our loss in the war ...

                    Studio surrender act
                    1. Volkhov
                      Volkhov 18 October 2013 16: 47 New
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                      http://tainy.net/46403-istoriya-otrecheniya.html
                      or
                      http://topwar.ru/34724-gde-i-pochemu-chekanilis-pervye-sovetskie-monety.html
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                        Yarosvet 18 October 2013 19: 44 New
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                        Quote: Volkhov

                        Starikov’s ebony collar is his task to whitewash a black male.

                        Once again: ALL the top should be nourished - several million people. Try to crank it up and not light up.

                        No need to bribe a thief in order for the thief to steal.
  13. T-73 17 October 2013 10: 26 New
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    What landings, what other law? Everything has already turned into a booth. Calm down - no one is to blame for anything. The difficult time, the cataclysms with the floods, the people here are still overwhelmingly excite in Pugachev, then in Biryulyovo, a grandiose event of a global scale - the Olympics on the nose. Not to trifles. And such an amnesty is coming that Alexeyev’s speechlessness will be lost.
    1. Goodmen 17 October 2013 10: 47 New
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      yes-ah ... oh this Olympics ... feast during the plague!
      but they drank some money ... and the World Cup and the Universiade, Samita and hell knows something else ...
      It seems that we are perceived as Papuans - they showed them a tin can with glass beads and great joy appeared. So they show us imaginary greatness ... they are trying to cultivate patriotism ... They do not start from that ...
      But this money would be spent on carrying out constructive reforms in the economy, social sphere, etc.
      The Olympiad will take place, and the constructed buildings will belong to the next ... Oyov or ... nanny. That's all arithmetic.
      And the amnesty will write everything off and no one is to blame ... the people with the naked well ... oh, the bureaucrats with the dough - everything according to the concepts, you need to learn suckers !!!
  14. alexander20
    alexander20 17 October 2013 10: 30 New
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    Once again I am convinced that there are no real officers left in Russia. Indeed, among its graduates there are not a few famous people and everyone is silent as usual. In 1998, the Kachinskoye flight, Barnaul, etc., were disbanded, and now they have essentially destroyed the BBA. Then they were silent and now they are silent. Probably in Russia it will be so and first we will destroy everything to the ground, and then we say how is it that we so allowed it .....
    1. aviamed90 17 October 2013 10: 42 New
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      alexander20

      Officers are not silent!

      Nobody just listens to them!

      For fun, hammer in the search engine "VVA. Monino" and see for yourself.
      Our celestials do not listen not only to officers, but even to honored generals!
  15. Fuzeler 17 October 2013 10: 33 New
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    Serdyukov will not be imprisoned (Anatoly Eduardovich knows too much to be planted), just as the lady of his heart will not be imprisoned.

    We live in Russia, what to do .....
  16. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 17 October 2013 10: 37 New
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    So what? Serdyukov himself is not in poverty, his women too, the people are buzzing, criminal cases ... as they were "in production" and peacefully do not touch any of these ghouls. The iPhone, too, is peacefully puffing out his cheeks and also not in poverty. Etc.
    Why Monino, think Monino, they have a lot of Monino like that.
    I can not imagine anything like this in any of the so-called developed countries.
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      Quote: Peaceful military
      So what? Serdyukov himself is not in poverty, his women too, the people are buzzing, criminal cases ... as they were "in production" and peacefully do not touch any of these ghouls.


      Here is the latest info throughout this Santa Barbara

      GVSU SKR received first results of a comprehensive financial and economic examination for the sale of all objects sold through auctions conducted by DIO and structures of Oboronservis OJSC. Experts have confirmed the facts of a significant understatement of the value of real estate sold. After the opinions of experts are analyzed, the defendants in the Oboronservis case will obviously already begin indict final edition
      Ex-Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov, who was interrogated in the Investigative Committee as a witness, refused to testify, referring to article 51 of the Constitution, ”the agency reported Interfax lawyer of the former head of the military department Heinrich Padva.
      Serdyukov’s answers can be judged by the way the lawyer says about the episode: it almost comes out of his words that "top officials of the state" put the head of the military department "in a very difficult situation" that forced him to get rid of non-core assets. Moreover, sometimes it was necessary to go to the so-called direct sales of objects, so that get "quick money" and "close holes", for example, on military utility bills. Even if the relative of the ex-minister became the buyer, there was nothing reprehensible in this, as advocate insists. request
      According to the Chief Military Prosecutor’s Office, the value of illegal transactions committed by Anatoly Serdyukov when the Minister of Defense totaled more than 6 billion rubles. With this money, you can equip a military town with social infrastructure, which would house a motorized rifle brigade.
      Observers have questions. Why did Anatoly Serdyukov and his entourage manage to carry out such criminal transactions? Why are numerous and obvious violations in the sale and acquisition of property only now becoming the objects of criminal cases? Serdyukov’s involvement in many criminal cases seems obvious to many. Why is he still not charged?
      The head of the RF IC, Alexander Bastrykin, recently answered these reproaches, speaking at the anti-corruption forum in the Accounts Chamber (JV).
      “Dear colleagues, we do not want the 37th year, and I can report to you, it will be very difficult with blood here,” he said. According to Bastrykin, for each decision, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense and Oboronservis “have appraisers, and they present documents for each object.”

      In fact, he simply repeated after President Vladimir Putin, who said the same thing in November 2012.
      1. Ascetic 17 October 2013 12: 56 New
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        A source in business structures close to the Ministry of Defense told the publication that he regularly reported numerous systematic property and other economic irregularities in his entourage. President Vladimir Putin was informed not so much by the Auditors of the Accounts Chamber as the head of the Federal Security Service (FSB) Alexander Bortnikov. There is nothing sensational about this. By law, counterintelligence agents are required to monitor corruption-related situations in government structures, including in law enforcement agencies. Judging by the fact that Serdyukov was removed from office, and the numerous criminal acts of his subordinates and relatives are now being investigated by the GVSU, the FSB is working efficiently. ”
        From the article Privatization in criminal assessment
        Judging by the entire course of the investigation, Serdyukov is among the untouchables and he is unlikely to even be charged with a charge. and the relative of Medvedev’s wife is unlikely to be given a real term, the more they say that she falls under the amnesty, although it is necessary to clarify this with the lawyers.
        Here is a typical interview by Stepashin after his resignation from the post of head of the joint venture.
        According to him, he reported on serious violations in the ministry to Dmitry Medvedev when he was president.
        “When the check was over, Serdyukov came to me. This is still 2010. I drew the whole thing to him. I say: put things in order, otherwise they will put you in prison. I said: “Anatoly, let's create an internal control department with you. They set you up. ” He left. Then, when Vladimir Putin became president, I look, something the situation is still suspended. I personally came to the president with this paper. That's all, actually. In May, he became president, somewhere in June there was a conversation, "

        When asked by the newspaper why the criminal case was not instituted under President Medvedev, Stepashin said that he "did not bring" the audit results to the head of state, but sent a report.

        Later, Medvedev called back and said: “Listen, such serious violations.” “Yes,” I say, “Dmitry Anatolyevich,” said Stepashin. According to him, as a result, Medvedev gave order to investigate the military prosecutor's office.(which means Serdyukov himself, in fact) what
        link
        So everything goes to the fact that Stool will be injured.Some time the faithful political commander Stepash is laying the straw so strongly for himself (for his closed eyes on the ugliness) and for Serdyukov at the same time.
      2. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 17 October 2013 12: 57 New
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        Stanislav! Who doubtedangry
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          Stanislav! Who doubted


          In general, you can consider such a scenario. Things are not shaky or roll. The stuffing is going to the press that it’s about to fall apart. They will not put anyone up and so on. People are unhappy and indignant. And then the next presidential election comes and on the eve of Serdyukov they plant, people in ecstasy throw caps, the rating grows and victory in the first round. Aerobatics of political technologies laughing
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 17 October 2013 13: 27 New
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            on the eve of Serdyukov they plant, people in ecstasy throws bonnets, the rating grows and victory in the first round. Aerobatics of political technologieslaughing

            Yeah, and the next day, at the request of the prosecutor, they release, and then replace the term with a conditional, etc., etc.laughing
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              Yeah, and the next day, at the request of the prosecutor, they release, and then replace the term with a conditional, etc., etc.


              Well, something like this or say Eduardych sit a bit in greenhouse conditions for the sake of business, but as soon as everything calms down and forget about you let go. smile
  17. Kostjan
    Kostjan 17 October 2013 10: 50 New
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    Yes, and there’s no one to hit him on the head with. request
  18. avia12005 17 October 2013 10: 55 New
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    Comrade Stalin, the enemies of the people at the helm,
    Comrade Stalin, where is your hand?
  19. AX
    AX 17 October 2013 11: 29 New
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    Sabotage is all ... And where the legs grow, and so it is clear ... Vissarionitch is not enough, oh how not enough ...
  20. major071 17 October 2013 11: 32 New
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    Serdyukovsky reforms will soon come back. Especially on the quality and number of graduates of military schools. There are not enough competent officers in the troops, and this is against the backdrop of a revival of the armed forces. The son was going to enter the tank command school. So in Russia there was only one thing left - in Kazan, where there used to be a branch of the Chelyabinsk Tank. There is still in Omsk, but they produce techies there. Downgraded b ... evil is not enough. When I entered in 1988, I had a choice between 5-6 schools, and 4 of them were in the RSFSR. I won’t write further - there were only mats left ...
  21. rsv75
    rsv75 17 October 2013 11: 35 New
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    The author writes that it would be cheaper to transfer the institution to the far north. So from the far north, too, drove parts that are also abandoned. Now building a new one will be cheaper than restoring the old. Well, this leads to new finances and rewards for overcoming insurmountable difficulties + TV advertising.
  22. bubla5 17 October 2013 11: 39 New
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    No need to plant, here is just work for a good sniper
    1. nov_tech.vrn 17 October 2013 11: 49 New
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      rope and soap, a bullet for the noble.
  23. weather
    weather 17 October 2013 11: 48 New
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    Good day to all! I myself am a 1998 graduate of the Voronezh VVAIU (old style), meteorological faculty. This year he was at the graduation of young lieutenants, as usual, he went to the museum of the current Academy, the benefit is hanging on one of the stands a photograph of his father. With the former head of the course and other veterans of this university, they closed in a kapter, as they say, "at 150 grams per meeting." By chance, I found on the shelves lying test books in the dust - Gagarin, Tereshkova ...
    Voronezh is a beautiful city. The current Air Force Academy is located in the territory where in tsarist times there was a disciplinary battalion. The remaining casemates from the thick walls of a solid building, on which traces of bullets are still visible - the result of the 1905 uprising, have been turned into educational buildings, medical units, and MTO services. Five cadet years left a clear idea about the organization of the educational process and the availability of material resources. And this idea does not make it clear to me how to drag ALL military schools of the Air Force, including two former academies, onto this small piece of land.
    But this is not only about that. Do not blame Tolik for all sins. In general, I believe that all of us, our society, should forgive him. And not only according to the Christian commandment. He has two mitigating (and even slightly justifying) circumstances - love of beautiful women and mental retardation. Another thing is in his (Serdyukovs) serfs, with whose hands irreparable harm was done to the army.
    It was not Tolik who provoked the transfer of all the universities of the Air Force to Voronezh, but the former lieutenant colonel of the combat department of the Voronezh VVAIU, and now the head of the Academy, a man with Napoleon’s ambitions. And he managed to connect only the Air Force universities and also the Military Institute of Radioelectronics, also located in Voronezh, but which has nothing to do with the Air Force! This educational institution graduated from experts of ultra-class electronic warfare, government communications. Graduates went not only to the troops, but also to the 5th Research Institute located on the territory of the institute (nicknamed the Pentagon by Voronezh), where a system was developed to overcome the American missile defense with our missiles and much more ...
    In conclusion, I’ll say: honor and praise to the officers, especially the General Staff, who left the army, not allowing their uniform to mess up with the collapse of the army, and a shame on the fools who introduced Tolik Serdyukov into the life of the “reform”.
    1. smel 17 October 2013 12: 24 New
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      Thank you for the competent and calm presentation of the truth. I agree with you that everything that was broken by the bandit Serdyukov was done by hand and with the tacit consent of his subordinates. The main burden of guilt is on Nemakarov, the pseudo-hero of Russia. And those who left, including those who gave livestock in the face or simply spat, they are clean in front of themselves. Nobody will erect a monument to them. Nobody will remember them. Therefore, only knowledgeable people can talk about such officers. Our country, now called Russia, has been and continues to be supported by such
  24. atos_kin 17 October 2013 11: 59 New
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    I will add one more argument against the transfer of military institutions from the capital. The "space" freed up in the capital from military families immediately occupies not the best part of society in the form of traders and "labor emigrants" in the patriotic (and in any other) respects, with which the government itself is "fighting".
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    A long time ago we would have already built a prison on Rublevka for our own people and would have quietly “planted” a “deadline ...”
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    TAMERLAN 17 October 2013 13: 33 New
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    how does this villainous Russian land carry - it’s time for her to devour all such idols and the faster the better the Russian people live
  27. TAMERLAN
    TAMERLAN 17 October 2013 13: 36 New
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    how the Russian land bears this monster — would swallow it along with its defenders — it would become easier for the Russian people to live
  28. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 17 October 2013 14: 27 New
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    If Serdyukov and his TEAM are not imprisoned, personally in my eyes Comrade P loses his authority, something like that.

    Comrade Putin himself put Serdyukov and Serdyukov did all this before his eyes! Does this give you anything? Eeeeh, what RVVKUS and RVAI was ... Just a fantastic material base !!! All to the dump ... Who will restore it now?
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    But someone outraged the employee of the Embassy of the Netherlands ...
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    If Serdyukov and his TEAM are not imprisoned, personally in my eyes Comrade P loses his authority, something like that.

    I fully support it. And I also want to remind you that Putin promised to deal with privatization, but alas ...
  31. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 17 October 2013 16: 11 New
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    Oh, and when the Air Force Engineering Academy. Was everyone silent in Zhukovsky from the Petrovsky Palace in Monino? The Academy was located in this building for 75 years, and now there is an elite hotel. And not what Serdyukov was yet. About the current army of Russia, you can wipe your legs, you just need to slightly increase the salary and everyone will be silent like fish.
  32. slav4ikus 17 October 2013 16: 27 New
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    and you look what term gave to bulk ???? CONDITIONAL! and at the same time, the Sobyanin says that for economic crimes you need to give only a suspended sentence! what's this? stupidity? stupidity? or a platform for perdyukov and his pancake .. or this call, they say, steal from the state, it will not be impoverished, but you will not suffer, get off with a slight fright!
    as I understand it, this is preparation for a suspended sentence for this gop company for which investigators cannot dig evidence.
  33. bear 17 October 2013 17: 54 New
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    Serdyukov is not to blame, he is just six. But what’s really insulting, the people for whom they voted turned out to be traitors, slowly destroying my MOTHERLAND.
  34. Agent 008 17 October 2013 18: 13 New
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    “A thief should be in prison,” Gleb Zheglov said in the film “the meeting place cannot be changed” ... Eh, it’s a pity that Putin is not Zheglov, and he is not planting the right ones ... So, every little thing like Greenpeace. I just want to ask Putin - when will the real landings begin, huh?
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  35. tank64rus 17 October 2013 19: 27 New
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    But chemists have the same thing. Serdyukov began the reform of military education with the transfer of the military-industrial complex to Kostroma. The professors naturally did not go, and there the military school was previously disbanded, so as not to interfere. The main landfill base is located near Saratov in the village of Shikhani, there was also a military chemical institute in Saratov, but it was supposedly “attached” to the Academy in Kostroma apparently seen for “saving public funds”, now priests rule there they destroyed one of the educational buildings and built a wooden because the toilet is destroyed. In general, there are only ruins both literally and figuratively. In general, the conversation should be about betraying the homeland and deliberately undermining the country's defense capabilities, and only then about the banal embezzlement.
  36. bubla5 17 October 2013 19: 34 New
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    Damn, they ruined such a country, it takes horror, I walk around the city with 200000 people, there are no factories and factories, but there was an expanded clay, canning, furniture, two bricks, a candy store, 14 building SMUs, and now there are one supermarket, 2 bazaars and many construction markets and everywhere there are abandoned gardens, but I believe I will come, another power will come and start again from scratch, and those on suitcases with --- if they have time
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      Damn, they ruined such a country, it takes horror, I walk around the city with 200000 people, there are no factories and factories, but there was an expanded clay, canning, furniture, two bricks, a candy store, 14 building SMUs, and now there are one supermarket, 2 bazaars and many construction markets and everywhere there are abandoned gardens, but I believe I will come, another power will come and start again from scratch, and those on suitcases with --- if they have time


      My friend, I really hope they don’t have time, and those trunks that managed to release our VPK will be in the hands of the people, and we will solve all justice.
  37. Giant thought 17 October 2013 19: 39 New
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    Serdyukov knows too much, but as you know, who knows a lot, he does not live long. As the groomsman will vote so it will be. And we just have to wipe the snot and express our opinion on the Internet. But if all this continues, the tsunami of popular anger will come, where today's rulers will be, God alone knows. Everything goes to that ...
  38. Pavell
    Pavell 17 October 2013 19: 40 New
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    After the Second World War, Germany was banned from having its own armed forces and was allowed to leave only military science. Thanks to which later they regained their lost position. Following the saying would be a skeleton, and the meat would grow.
    In our case, it is the skeleton that is destroyed first of all. And it does not matter who is to blame, but it is important to whom it is beneficial!
    As for ex-MO, they don’t put such people, they either end up in a car accident, or they shoot no third.
  39. Gerurra 17 October 2013 20: 44 New
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    We need a slogan everything for Russia !!! Build roads - they will create jobs in many areas - from an asphalt plant to mechanical engineering. Reduce the bureaucracy to the level of the RSFSR. If the official has close relatives abroad, it is forbidden to occupy any government duties. Any official receives a term two to three times longer than a simple citizen for a crime. No house arrests for bureaucrats. For telephone right, arrest (this is when a bureaucrat asks another bureaucrat to smear one of his own) for at least 10 years. Any period for an official should start from 10 years. To be deprived of all rights for 15 years after leaving prison (to build roads forcibly while in jail is refusal to enter the pit). The right to vote and be elected within 15 years after leaving prison. The next of kin are also deprived of their rights for the period of his imprisonment. The employer does not have the right to take migrant workers to their work for more than 10 percent. Violation! Business to select. Check purchases over 300 rubles for their legality (the average salary of the people of Russia for about a year without taxes). Prohibit any offerings under the guise of a gift. For red tape the official is in jail. To return the gold of tsarist Russia with interest from France - the USA –Japan –Czech Republic –England– if they cannot return, let them return it with equipment – ​​technology. In general, barter, and the interest runs for them. Abolish taxes to farmers for 000 years. To stop the increase in gas and gas prices (to build state-owned oil refineries - forbidding to sell them - indefinitely). To return money illegally withdrawn from Russia - by any means. Ban interest on banks above 5. Prohibit offshore operations and participate in them. To return education to the level of the USSR, our nouveau riche now needs illiterate, dumb people like in the USA
    To make prisons labor (to build roads) is a refusal for the reason that in the law I am a yama (for cover from work — the head of the zone to them in a hole). Caught the clans of drug traffickers of ethnic groups to arrest everyone (with resistance to destroy), along with their relatives, and further develop the pole of the cold Oymyakon to build a road to Magadan. To prohibit the construction of large shopping malls - no more than two - in cities of up to 350 without allowing small businesses to die. Yes, it’s cruel, but now it’s impossible without it. Do evil in the name of good. Allow street trading for a time of crisis. This will give the people self-employment. Now there are massive layoffs, layoffs under the guise of restructuring.
  40. voliador 17 October 2013 20: 55 New
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    Yeah, this freak smerdyukov tried, what did not concern - destroyed everything. I will be very glad if I see him hanging out on some sort of birch.
  41. avg
    avg 17 October 2013 21: 38 New
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    Life has taught me everything to treat with a fair amount of humor and healthy skepticism, but when I hear only the first sounds of the name Ser ..., I grab at the gun faster than the not unknown character at the word culture.
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    stranik72 17 October 2013 22: 09 New
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    Farewell to the flag of VVIA them. N.E. Zhukovsky
    1. Col. 18 October 2013 09: 45 New
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      Quote: stranik72
      Farewell to the flag of VVIA them. N.E. Zhukovsky


      Not with a flag, but with a banner!
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    stranik72 17 October 2013 22: 14 New
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    Saratov VVAUL
  44. stranik72
    stranik72 17 October 2013 22: 20 New
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    Continue to believe them further.
  45. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 17 October 2013 23: 03 New
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    Quote: stranik72
    Farewell to the flag of VVIA them. N.E. Zhukovsky

    Quote: stranik72
    Saratov VVAUL

    Quote: stranik72
    Continue to believe them further.
  46. vlad0
    vlad0 17 October 2013 23: 17 New
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    The excellent work of an effective manager and his bl .... b - the team will undoubtedly get its mark over time. The collapse of the entire military education system lies with the conscience of many from its environment. But the collapse of the Air Force and the Aviation Academy took place under the current commander-in-chief, and changes in the current conditions can hardly be expected. No one will admit their mistakes and bankruptcy at the moment when will and commitment were required.
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  48. Maximus-xnumx
    Maximus-xnumx 18 October 2013 06: 56 New
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    Conscious undermining of combat readiness of troops. That's what it's called.
  49. Mauritius
    Mauritius 18 October 2013 11: 02 New
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    Serdyukov will not be imprisoned. He will not have ANYTHING at all.
    He did everything to fulfill the tasks assigned to him:
    1) Get rid of the ballast.
    2) Stop the theft, the scale of which by 2007 was simply terrifying.
    He coped with the first task, but not with the second.

    What was the situation in the Russian Armed Forces by 2007? In a nutshell: there are more officers than soldiers, senior officers more than junior officers. Lieutenants after graduating from schools en masse sought by hook or by crook to resign from military service.
    More than half a century ago, Robert Heinlein wrote about this:
    "What kind of army is this, in which there are more officers than corporals (and there are more than ordinary soldiers)! Such an army seems to have been specially created to lose wars. History means nothing to them. An army in which the soldiers are in the minority is simply gigantic bureaucratic machine.
    What did these “sorry” officers do if I didn’t command the soldiers? Basically, they lounged - they ran officers' clubs, looked after behavior, were responsible for physical training, public relations, leisure activities, garrison stores, transportation, legal consultations, religion (and also the chaplain’s assistant, and also the chaplain’s junior assistant), for everything about everything, what you can think of ... There was even a nanny officer! In the twentieth century, it came to the point that combat officers had to wear special insignia in order to at least somehow differ from hussars on a stick.
    (Robert Heinlein. Star Troopers, 1959)

    So, by decision of the Government of the Russian Federation, half of the military universities were closed down; most of the old-timers were sent home. What scientific schools, what powerful faculty, what are you talking about? People who have not seen a living soldier for decades and have not commanded anything but their own fountain pen. Productive age - up to 55 years, no more. Remember the age of the military leaders who are called the Marshals of Victory. At the time of conferring the title of Marshal of the Soviet Union (1943-45), they were from 46 to 50 years old, and Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union N.G. Kuznetsov was already 41 years old!
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 18 October 2013 19: 22 New
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      A young man, when you try to seem at least informed and well-read at first, figure out what the article is about, the article is about military universities and faculty as, for reference, scientists and teachers become 50 years old (in civilian life as well), yes there are exceptions, but such units, “soldiers pen and old farther” from the military science in the broadest sense are as far away as the quotations you quoted. And a military scientist, this ballast is only for ignoramuses like you and GDP with DAM and it’s not for you to judge what military scientists did, your level is lower than even the ballast your stool got rid of, so Russia needs to get rid of people like you, then there will be no stools in the army leadership.
      1. aviamed90 19 October 2013 09: 29 New
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        stranik72

        I support you.

        But one cannot deny that the number of officers (graduates in this case of the VVA), each year graduated from there, is not necessary for our Air Force (in its current form).

        When the Air Force contracted as a result of reforms to the size of an eye of a needle (there’s even a joke about this - “all Air Force officers know each other’s faces”) - where to put so many competent professionals? Assign them to senior pilots? After all, regular "cells" deputy. there’s not enough shelf for everyone.

        Recruitment was necessary to reduce. Just because the policy towards the construction of the Air Force and, in general, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is what it is today. Here you can’t change anything with all your will. These are questions to the President and the Government of the Russian Federation.
        And we are confronted with the fact of what happened. And they are obliged to take it into account during the construction of the Air Force.

        But where does the faculty and the BBA itself?
        After all, not only the Air Force officers of the RF Armed Forces studied there.
        Studied aviation officers of the Border Troops of the FSB of the Russian Federation, aviation of the Russian Navy, aviation of the Russian Federation. Air Force officers studied in Kazakhstan, Belarus, Azerbaijan, Armenia, North Korea, South Korea, Libya, Syria, Tajikistan, etc.

        After all, it was possible to save the BBA and train there the Air Force officers of our friendly countries. Moreover, many countries paid us for this in gold (Kazakhstan, Libya).
        That is, this problem could and should have been successfully resolved.

        The BBA diploma is valued worldwide. It was a prestigious military educational institution no worse than the US Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs or the Navy in Annapolis.
        Or maybe better!
        Well, use it! If our sovereigns have such an attitude to their own Air Force and the army as a whole, then trade education! After all, did you want money? Earn money!
        But no - nobody wants to work and think. It’s easier to disperse, and sell the territory.
        This is the only thing that we had left at that time, except for oil and gas.
        Oh yes! Forgot about the air! But soon the turn will reach him!

        Outrage at the collapse of the BBA can now be any number. No use for this. And no way out.
        An initiative group of Air Force officers and generals addressed this problem to the Air Force Civil Code, the Russian Defense Ministry (Shoigu), and even the President of the Russian Federation.
        No shifts. They are simply ignored.
  50. tank64rus 18 October 2013 18: 52 New
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    An interesting justification for the "reforms" in the spirit of the former chief of the General Staff. When I studied at the All-Ukrainian Aviation College, 80 percent of teachers there were some in Afghanistan, some in Chernobyl, and many were awarded military awards. And as for age, if he is a scientist and teacher from God, then let him teach so far. As for the theft, which Serdyukov allegedly tried to confront, this is from an area of ​​wild imagination. There is a very clear Russian proverb "You can’t wash a black dog away." Military education in Russia is ruined by very smart people, and everything is wrapped in a beautiful pseudo-wrapper. Before the start of the “reforms”, the ladies from the Serdyukov team were on an internship in the USA, where they received the corresponding “advice” on conducting the “reforms”. The results are obvious.
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      Military education was already ruined 15 years ago:

      "The question arises: what is the point of spending the army budget on training dunce economics and finance, if as a result they still go to a civilian, and only the bosses and teachers who have taken bribes from them win? Isn't it better to cover all military universities that give“ convertible "specialties, and to hire civilian specialists in the corresponding positions? Won Lyubov Kudelina, deputy defense minister for finance, did not graduate from military universities, but copes.

      Then it will be possible to allocate more money to command schools, and cadets of flight schools will be able to learn to fly not only on simulators, but also on real combat aircraft.

      ... Although, of course, it is almost impossible to implement such a plan. Firstly, the feeding trough is too enviable, and secondly, after all, the bosses have sons too who will solve this issue. They also need to be attached somewhere. "

      © Moskovsky Komsomolets, 17.06.2004/XNUMX/XNUMX

      http://www.compromat.ru/page_15075.htm

      And further. You did not ask the faculty of the Kostroma Academy of the Russian Chechen Republic of Chemistry and Chemical Medicine whether they are worried that Muscovites did not transfer with the academy from Moscow to Kostroma. Yes, they are all just happy!
      And for those "officers" who taught cadets to serve there, "where the homeland will send", but they themselves did not want to be transferred - a place in a landfill (where they ended up).
      By the way, when transferring the General Staff of the Navy from Moscow to St. Petersburg, only three refused to transfer.
      1. Maximus-xnumx
        Maximus-xnumx 22 October 2013 08: 16 New
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        The RKhBZ Academy is not only a military school but also a scientific institution. Question: how many researchers agreed to move from Moscow to Kostram and how did this affect promising developments?