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In the migration box

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It is known that the population of Russia has been declining since the beginning of the 90s. In 1993, about 148,5 million people lived in the territory of Russia. After 10 years (in 2003 year), this figure was equal to 144,9 million inhabitants. And by the year 2009 has reached a minimum in the last 35 years - 141,9 million. Only in the period from 2010 to year, the current situation is somewhat corrected, and the specialists of statistical agencies record the increase in the permanent population of the Russian Federation.


At the same time, the contribution to population growth today is created not only by rising birth rates and declining mortality rates, but also the notorious migration rate, which many people in Russia today assess ambiguously.

To understand the structure of changes in the demographic situation in Russia, it is necessary to submit data from Rosstat.

How accurate and objective such data is is a separate issue, but without official data on demographics in Russia, it would be strange to argue on the fact of this question. So, Rosstat cites data according to which in our country for the first 8 months of 2013, 1,255 million were born, and 1,261 million people died.

The natural decline is about 6000 thousand people. However, Rosstat also cites data on how many migrants during the same period of time turned into permanent residents (citizens of Russia). Their number is more than 200 thousand people. Adding this number to the value of the natural population decline, we find that at this time stage, Russia's population growth was about 194 thousand people. These figures suggest that the ratio of births and deaths in Russia is in favor of the latter (although not as pronounced as, for example, 10-12 years ago), and that population growth is due to migration.

If you believe the sources of demographic information, then among the migrants who become Russians every year, more than three quarters of the newly made Russians are migrants from the countries of Central Asia, Transcaucasia, and a number of other former union republics (moreover, representatives of the indigenous peoples of Central Asia and Transcaucasia, and not those Russians who return on the historical Homeland). That is, out of four people who came to Russia for permanent residence and received a Russian passport, only one is Russian (or another representative of indigenous Russian peoples).

Such a tendency raises the new issue of migration in the country and often leads to a painful reaction of the indigenous population of Russia to the emergence of "new compatriots." For the time being, the situation is at the fermentation stage, but overnight it may take off. The last vivid example is Biryulyovo Zapadnoye, where local residents expressed their discontent with the fact that their area turned into a place of compact residence and turbulent activity of migrants, many of whom were not going and are not going to live according to Russian laws. And it’s not important for people what kind of passport the alleged murderer of a young Muscovite has, they are worried about something else - the fact that a failed migration policy today leads to the fact that the so-called ethnic crime in Russia is gaining more and more momentum, fueling the nationalist environment. At the same time, people demand that the authorities take measures against migrants, forcing the latter to live according to the laws of the country in which they are located.



And what about the authorities? And the authorities were, as they often say in football, in a box. Even if one does not take into account (which is extremely difficult to do) the fact of the existence of corruption on a huge scale at different levels of government, the authorities, on the one hand, have a desire to present digestible demographics, occupancy rates, friendship with neighboring states, and on the other hand, promises (pre-election) that the migration issue in the country will be resolved in the most civilized, effective and within the law. It turns out that the controlling structures need the same positive demography at any cost - even if it’s a maniac, even if I'm sorry, the nits are done, but it will be a new Russian - it will add a percentage contribution to positive reporting.

How to get out of such a “box”? It would seem that everything is simple: to introduce a visa regime with the countries of the Transcaucasus and Central Asia, it is more difficult to approach the issue of issuing work permits to migrants in Russia, to clap hand in hand - and the matter is done. But in fact, to calculate today the consequences of this step is extremely difficult. One may ponder on the topic of patriotism in the cause of “settling all migrants,” but then the retaliatory move from the same Transcaucasus with Central Asia will not keep them waiting. Today we are actively reflecting on the fact that the Ukrainian leadership is trying to turn Ukraine towards the EU, are expressing dissatisfaction with this decision, are going to isolate Ukraine from Ukraine with new customs duties if it nevertheless goes on association with the European Union. So after all, the same attitude awaits Russia in the event that the Russian leadership starts to solve migration problems by introducing visas.

And even if it is assumed that Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and other states participating in the “active growth” of the Russian population on the basis of systematic “injections” of labor and other migrants, applaud the Russian leadership after introducing visas (of course, bredoversion), How much will the introduction of visas solve this problem? Now everything is arranged so that the borders between states exist only for law-abiding people, but those who, let's say, are frivolous about the execution of laws, will not be frightened by any border or visa. There will always be a “little man” who, for a certain number of bills (or out of friendship and kindness of mind), can provide a visa to “especially needy.” So the possible introduction of visas is only a step to temporarily calm the masses, but not a method for solving a complex task.

So, with visas - will not work. What then? Then, maybe, the real accountability of those who are not able to control migration flows is not able to control the receipt of Russian passports, work permits, medical books and other documents. But how to bring to justice those who make up the whole bureaucratic tangle, the thread from which leads to completely different spheres of influence ... Who will bring these “non-controllers” to justice, punish with rubles and terms? Police and courts? .. The legend is fresh ...

While it comes to mind, perhaps, the "people's assembly." But just for any such gathering, we are quickly labeled "gosdepovskoy camarilla", "alcoholics, drug addicts-nationalists" or "adherents of white ribbons" and other heresy. Simply by the bureaucratic corruption tangle, by the very fact of its existence, it means that they are not interested in their own unraveling and approach to the essence of the solution of the problem. Of course, it is much easier to accuse the same Biryulevka authorities of “drunken youth” or “nationalist-minded fans” in everything, trying to expose themselves to almost the injured party of the conflict than to do business.

In general, the migration policy in our country today is such that people who embody this policy are behaving as if they want to eat the fish and not to wash the plate for themselves - you see, our economy will “bend” without labor migrants demography without them is generally unintelligible, but we (those very persons) with regard to migrants will certainly be tough. We will, they say, but then. While it is necessary to be tougher with the indigenous population, and then, you see, they let go of here ... They don’t like it, you see, that the passports are to someone who hand you, that they work without a license, that they swing knives on the streets, that the governing bodies are inactive. And Alexander II managed the serfdom to abolish ...
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  1. Airman
    Airman 16 October 2013 09: 00
    48
    If those in power show their weakness and migrants kiss .opu, then they already stand across the throat to the people. And if such a liberalistic policy of tolerance towards strangers suits the authorities, others will solve the problem. For hell, we need population growth due to the birth of chocks, due to their citizenship, while unemployment among the indigenous population is growing. And the criminal situation because of them is deteriorating sharply.
    1. Skiff
      Skiff 16 October 2013 09: 51
      33
      Well, it should already be obvious to the blind that the invaders are in power, because how else to explain that the indigenous population suffers from a handful of visitors and bureaucrats covering them. In Russia, all national minorities have their own republics, presidential anthems, and the Russians have all this ?? ? And yes, I forgot, we are Rosians .....
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 16 October 2013 10: 55
        +7
        Quote: Skiff
        occupiers are in power, because how else to explain that the indigenous population suffers from a handful of visitors and bureaucrats covering them

        The fact that an organized criminal group is in power, which defends exclusively its own interests and perfectly protects the controlled territory from outside influences (foreign policy successes, focus on strengthening the Armed Forces, etc.), but at the same time does not set itself the goal of the well-being of "suckers" living on territories controlled by her.
      2. Evrepid
        Evrepid 16 October 2013 16: 14
        -2
        That's exactly forgotten.
        Let me remind you the flag and anthem of the RSFSR became the flag of the Russian Federation in 1991 on November 1, and on December 23, 1993, the EBN signed a decree on the state flag of the Russian Federation.
        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B3_%D0%A0%D0%A1%D0%A4%D0%A1%D


        0% A0

        In addition to everything else, look carefully at the flags of the regions of the Russian Federation.
        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B8_%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B3%D


        0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8

        In particular, the flag of the Moscow region, is present as the flags of all other regions!
        Less to you for ignorance!
        1. Evrepid
          Evrepid 17 October 2013 10: 21
          -1
          Those who put a minus!

          What really dislike?
          Or do you want to be more equal?
      3. lelikas
        lelikas 16 October 2013 17: 14
        +3
        Arrests of the activists of Our Answer to Kurban-Bairam have already begun in St. Petersburg.
        Like, they organized provocations yesterday and forced peaceful visitors to shoot themselves from trauma and poke with knives.
    2. bif
      bif 16 October 2013 10: 10
      12
      To hell with us, population growth due to fertility, due to their citizenship
      Recently met with former classmates. So from the ambulance doctor I heard a heartbreaking story. Calling at Pulkovo Airport ... sudden delivery. Arrived and it turns out that a woman in labor from an airplane from a Central Asian country began contractions in flight ... she gave birth at an emergency near the gangway ... such extreme sport is practiced in order to obtain Russian citizenship and simplify procedures for parents. And this is not a rare case. What is striking ... there are restrictions for pregnant women with a period of more than 21 weeks - a ban on checking in for a flight. But do not care.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 16 October 2013 10: 58
        +4
        Quote: bif
        But we do not care.

        Not for everyone laughing

        Someone makes population statistics on this.
      2. Doctor Evil
        Doctor Evil 16 October 2013 11: 24
        24
        Yesterday evening I came across a transmission on Ren TV. A certain "expert" with the face of an elderly spaniel said that the children of migrants in our schools are very good and the more they study there, the more wonderful. They will penetrate, they say, culture and become different. The second generation, like ... I barely loaded the screen with my foot. I don’t need migrants here, nor all their offspring.
        1. Airman
          Airman 16 October 2013 14: 12
          +2
          Quote: Dr. Evil
          Yesterday evening I came across a transmission on Ren TV. A certain "expert" with the face of an elderly spaniel said that the children of migrants in our schools are very good and the more they study there, the more wonderful. They will penetrate, they say, culture and become different. The second generation, like ... I barely loaded the screen with my foot. I don’t need migrants here, nor all their offspring.

          I watched this program, it felt like this "spaniel" escaped from the PNI, as they let such liberals on TV.
        2. Lapotnik
          Lapotnik 16 October 2013 16: 40
          +4
          I was stopped only by the fact that the telly was sorry, he was not guilty of anything. Meeting on the street - brush in my teeth and do not care for 15 days. I’ll say he called me ardent, maybe I’m also soldering the article)))
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 16 October 2013 16: 58
            +6
            Quote: Lapotnik
            maybe he also soldered the article)))

            Rather, you - this spaniel is a terry spaniel laughing
        3. bif
          bif 16 October 2013 19: 24
          +3
          Quote: Doctor Evil
          that the children of migrants in our schools are very good and the more they study there, the more wonderful.
      3. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 16 October 2013 11: 38
        +2
        Quote: bif
        such extreme sports turns out to be practiced in order to obtain new citizenship of the Russian Federation and simplify procedures for parents.

        Nonsense. The "right of the soil" does not apply in our country; the child's citizenship is not determined by the place of birth, but is primarily determined by the citizenship of the parents.
        exceptions, of course, exist.
        1. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 17 October 2013 15: 42
          0
          it’s absolutely true that in the USA there is a rule of obtaining citizenship at the place of birth, this is one and the second the cost of a plane ticket is too high for this category, they leak by land, by rail, and if there is enough money for the plane, it’s easier for these money to buy citizenship, the embassies in these countries have their own small cash. And the markets were not hosted by people from Central Asia, but by those who captured them back in the 90s, and Asians work for them penniless, without citizenship, these slaves are usually substituted by the Federal Migration Service, lawlessness, lack of money and drug addiction a breeding ground for crime, infantry - a consumable.
    3. Srgsoap
      Srgsoap 16 October 2013 10: 18
      16
      There is only one solution to the problem, as Stalin did ... in the heaters of everyone and home.
      1. zao74
        zao74 16 October 2013 11: 16
        -9
        Why to their homeland, let them master Siberia.
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 16 October 2013 11: 43
          13
          Quote: zao74
          let Siberia master.

          Do not make garbage from Siberia. there is also a native Russian population. thought of him?
          Let them master the homeland.
          1. zao74
            zao74 17 October 2013 09: 47
            +1
            Trash from my homeland ... I myself will not allow it.
          2. Evrepid
            Evrepid 17 October 2013 10: 35
            0
            Life example?
            Before the metro station, they started laying tiles until the critical days of Biryulyev, in principle, I do not quite understand why the heck (there was normal asphalt) well, okay.

            They didn’t have time to finish, nationalists like you kicked them out, now knee-deep mud is in this place, not laid down tile is lying.

            That's it.
        2. Warrawar
          Warrawar 16 October 2013 14: 01
          +8
          Quote: zao74
          Why to their homeland, let them master Siberia.

          Siberia should not be touched - the places there are very good, why spoil them + the Russian population there is the same as in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Let them clean their republics.
          1. zao74
            zao74 17 October 2013 09: 46
            0
            Do not spoil the population, but create labor reservations. He arrived, earned money and left. Without the right to citizenship and without the ability to leave the reservation.
      2. Walker1975
        Walker1975 16 October 2013 14: 42
        -6
        Yes? Was Stalin himself a native Russian? Why didn’t he send himself anywhere?

        And if the Russian (sky) family is non-Russian (sky), then where should they be sent?
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 16 October 2013 15: 30
          +2
          "Yes? And Stalin himself was a native Russian? Why didn't he send himself anywhere?"

          Stalin was a Georgian and not (let me not get a ban) chock. Show me at least one person in Russia calling Georgians chocks
        2. Avenger711
          Avenger711 16 October 2013 17: 56
          +4
          We in the USSR did not ask who was there by nationality, working for the benefit of the motherland, which means well done. Stalin, by the way, did not like the local farmer Natsiks, including the Georgian.

          The nationality of Stalin himself is in question, Georgians or Ossetians, hell understand, like his year of birth, he had a lot of documents and party nicknames in his youth.
    4. aksakal
      aksakal 16 October 2013 11: 10
      +7
      Quote: Povshnik
      If those in power show their weakness and migrants kiss .opu, then they already stand across the throat to the people. And if such a liberalistic policy of tolerance towards strangers suits the authorities, others will solve the problem. For hell, we need population growth due to the birth of chocks, due to their citizenship, while unemployment among the indigenous population is growing. And the criminogenic situation worsens because of them

      - I support you, go to the next branch, where about Old Man Lukashenko, I advised him to recruit migrants, it flashed that the Belarusian population is not enough for all jobs, which is already as a brake on economic development. So they got me there for such advice.
      You already decide - you hate migrants, then admit that my post is positive and insist on the pros. Or if you are minus, then what is this post?
      To the author of SABZh Volodin. How is the issue of migrants resolved? Very simple. Medvedev, hated by you, made a reservation that he was changing the course of the economy towards a sharp increase in labor productivity. Now, factories will not be prohibited from introducing technologies that lead to a decrease in jobs. Now they will not look back at this, at the possible increase in unemployment. They decided to deal with the single-industry towns - they will simply be liquidated, and the residents will be sent to megacities to replace guest workers. It's a good move! That's what Medvedev said. It is clear that this will lead to an aggravation of unemployment. It is clear that even the jobs of even janitors and nut twists in the most musty corner of the KAMAZ conveyor will be worth their weight in gold (although I would have buried such an anachronism long ago in the place of KAMAZ and dragged robots from Yapia and Germany - they don't ask to eat, they don't need a sick leave , kindergartens and schools are also not needed). And then migrants will disappear by themselves, since in Russia there will be nothing to catch, and it is unsafe to catch something because of the intense competition for jobs. At the same time, the Russian government can put a good face on Uzbekistan-Tajikistan and wonder, “why don't we send migrants? We are here with open arms, you understand!”, There will be no political loss.
      But here the Starikov jumped up and demand the resignation of Medvedev. I agree - Medvedev is a disgusting prime minister, the worst of all Putin’s prime ministers, at Misha’s level of 2%, but in terms of resolving the migration issue, he actually proposed a case. With the extensive development of the economy that is taking place now, the problem of migrant workers cannot be solved. An economy with such an economy needs new and new labor forces.
      Of course, I understand that I would like to keep the single-industry town, and the mild unemployment, and that there would be migrant workers, but that they would be bodyless, would go so that you would go unnoticed, and after work until the next shift, that the thread would evaporate - all this is wonderful. But it DOES NOT HAPPEN !!! And in the near future there will be no such migrant workers, do not even find yourself!
    5. Civil
      Civil 16 October 2013 13: 12
      +9
      1. The ban on foreign slave force.
      2. Respectively, the bourgeoisie will have to pay the appropriate salary to the local population.
      3. The normal amount of payment will increase the birth rate.
      4. And do not enter a visa.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 16 October 2013 16: 31
        +3
        Quote: Civil
        Accordingly, the bourgeoisie will have to pay the appropriate salary to the local population

        - your products become expensive. And if the Germans somehow the population of the planet is used to forgiving the high cost of their products because of the expensive labor, well, like, but the Germans have good quality, then the Russians, alas, the population of the planet will definitely not forgive this. The world's population is accustomed to the fact that Russians are usually the best in terms of price-quality ratio, and with expensive workforce you will lose this optimal ratio. How to be?
        Quote: Civil
        The normal amount of payment will increase the birth rate.

        - bullshit. A high standard of living is just the enemy of fertility, the most fierce enemy. A lot of money without accompaniment of a wide variety of services is just waste paper. Why should I have money if there is nowhere to spend it, having received a lot of pleasure in return? And a variety of services (that is, starting from a good education and good medicine for you and children and ending with a hairdresser for your poodle) can exist only in the city with some minimum number of people, and even with a population density above a certain limit. A high population density leads to a frantic and absurd price for real estate, and in such places real estate ALWAYS grows faster than the growth of secured incomes of the population, no matter what the rate of income growth. Hence the conclusion - in the city, children turn into a terribly expensive pleasure, and the growth of costs for children (expenses for children) ALWAYS grows faster than the growth of wealthy incomes of the population, whatever the growth rate of income. Is it clear now?
        The request is sometimes to think with your head, and not like that in a straightforward way of thinking, such as the people like this - put him loot, he will give birth, not sun, he will not give birth. There are subtle and completely non-linear dependencies, and let experts decide this. You decide here, give you free rein. Ok, well, give the janitor 30 thousand. Immediately the engineer will get excited, who previously received 30 thousand and did not ache - like, what the hell am I getting less than a janitor? He will have to build up, but just like that. This is called unsecured income growth, and the result is only one - INFLATION. And the benefits of all this will be only to China, which can produce cheaply. Once again I say - think with your head. And in general, expel people into the village - there people will give birth. The city never gave, does not and will not give birth rates, remember?
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 16 October 2013 18: 00
          +4
          your products are getting expensive


          Save on salaries for top managers. Not satisfied, then let's give up on you. In general, the presence of a mass of money in the country sharply spurs the development of the domestic market, so we will not be lost, especially since those who produce goods for export and so on to the top of the income pyramid can even be within the same plant (complex). The workshop driving the final export product will be financed much better than any pre-production, which supplies all with raw materials.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 16 October 2013 18: 13
            0
            Quote: Avenger711
            Save on top managers salaries
            - good idea. Just market transformations in Russia and in general in the post-Soviet space are only 20 years old, during which time they did not manage to build up a corps of professional top managers who were not afraid to entrust the administration of the case. Therefore, good managers in terrible shortage, wherever you throw - everywhere a wedge. But I am very impressed with your thought.
    6. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 16 October 2013 15: 30
      +1
      look how the installation is done in Biryulyovo ...
      pi.do.rasy decided to organize a national feud ...
      1. APES
        APES 16 October 2013 15: 35
        0
        it’s not editing, just removed from the monitors on which the recording
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 16 October 2013 20: 06
          +2
          Quote: APES
          it’s not editing, just removed from the monitors on which the recording

          - No, gluing is really left. Previously, there was once a period, I worked in SB Bank, there often had to be removed from monitors, this should not be. Definitely, installation.
      2. New Russia
        New Russia 16 October 2013 15: 41
        +4
        "pi. do. races decided to organize national enmity ..."
        Here are the bastards! Destroy our strong friendship and alliance with Chechnya and Dagestan! We will not allow it! We will love the Caucasus even when the Vostok battalion is brought into Stavropol to disperse the damned Russian Foschists!
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 16 October 2013 20: 38
          -4
          Quote: New Russia
          "pi. do. races decided to organize national enmity ..."
          Here are the bastards! Destroy our strong friendship and alliance with Chechnya and Dagestan! We will not allow it! We will love the Caucasus even when the Vostok battalion is brought into Stavropol to disperse the damned Russian Foschists!

          - no, keep hating. Moreover, according to the idea of ​​the political scientist Belkovsky, the Russian political scientist, the very one that "It's time to separate the Caucasus!", Or rather, according to the idea of ​​people, they sometimes walk around the deserts in white, Belkovsky just for a small reward serves as their herald, YOU SHOULD DO THIS - HATE THE CHECHEN AND DAGESTANIANS. Even in spite of the fact that the video in Biryulyovo is a clear lime tree. Even in spite of the fact that another Dagestani rescues Russian teenage girls with some fright at the cost of his life. Because you HAVE TO HATE THEM, your true masters ordered you so, and you are obliged to love and respect them, kiss their fifth point, dressed in white for walks in the deserts. So why are you pinned here and distracted from fulfilling your direct duties - kissing some non-Russians in the ass and hating other non-Russians fiercely? Don't be distracted, kiss, kiss. Pay no attention to us.
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 16 October 2013 23: 07
            +5
            "YOU HAVE TO DO THIS - HATE THE CHECHEN AND DAGESTANIANS." Well, here I am such a bastard, their daily crimes and insolence cause indignation and a desire to kill them, I can not help myself.

            "Biryulyovo is a clear lime tree." and Manezhka and Pugachev and much more, and in general we have friendship of peoples, as they said on TV, convince yourself, convince)

            "Even in spite of the fact that another Dagestani rescues Russian teenage girls with some fright at the cost of his life." Nifiga myself, one Dagestani!) Just yesterday, black people killed and raped several people, and how many such days in a year?

            "So why are you pinned here and distracted from fulfilling your direct duties - kissing some non-Russians in the ass and hating other non-Russians fiercely?" Firstly, it was pinned) Secondly, no one respects the Potkins and Belkovskys in our midst, everyone knows that they were bought by the Kremlin, we somehow respect the Mironovs, Kvachkovs, Budanovs more, keep your stereotypes about Belkovskys with you.

            "kiss in the ass some non-Russians" I kiss only Russian priests, so I know whose ass when I kiss her!)
            1. EVIL
              EVIL 17 October 2013 09: 38
              +3
              Kissing the ass is not good.

              Do not boil, think about the simple one, who makes the Kurban Bayram holiday an element that strains big cities?

              Visit Kazan for example during this holiday. This is a holiday...
              With fairs, with national food, with organized festivities. People kind smiles on their faces ...

              Look at what they are doing in Moscow and St. Petersburg - these are consciously created actions that strain the population, no holiday, a gathering on an ethnical sign to demonstrate the quantity ...

              Obviously, with the right approach and ideology, our peoples can live if not peacefully (neighbors always swear) then calmly and without atrocious aggression towards each other, but this is not necessary for puppeteers.

              To make it easier for you to perceive this idea - answer one more question - who is easier to convince of your exclusivity? An educated city dweller or a guy from a village / aul. Who is more suggestive? As a result, unfortunately, they act on the weaker link more actively ...
              1. timer
                timer 18 October 2013 00: 37
                0
                I myself am a native of Kazan and I think let immigrants from the city, from Russia, fail!
          2. EVIL
            EVIL 17 October 2013 09: 28
            -1
            Aksakal is a plus.
    7. Starfish
      Starfish 16 October 2013 15: 42
      +3
      next is an article about France, here it is this path that we are now vigorously walking, has almost passed. so the questions are for our authorities - are they at the stage of Mitterrand, Chirac or already Sarkozy? and when do we wait for Hollande?
    8. Evrepid
      Evrepid 16 October 2013 16: 01
      +3
      You are manipulating not entirely correct concepts.
      Migration occurs within the country, i.e. those who you call migrants are actually immigrants.
      When you come to rest / work, any part of the country you also become a migrant, albeit temporary.

      So the hostility expressed by you towards migrants actually refers to the same citizens of your country as you yourself, who simply change their place of residence and move from city to city.

      Let me remind you of the basic concepts, so that you can correctly operate with concepts:

      Population migration (lat. migratio - relocation) - the movement of people from one region to another, in some cases in large groups and over long distances.
      External migration (intercontinental, interstate) and internal migration (inside the country - between regions, cities, rural areas, etc.) are distinguished.

      Emigration (from lat. emigro - “I evict”) - resettlement from one country to another due to economic, political, personal circumstances. Indicated in relation to the country from which they emigrate.

      Immigration (from lat. Immigro - “I move in”) - the entry of the population of one country into another for temporary or permanent residence [1], considered in relation to the country where emigrants enter.

      Repatriation (from lat. repatriate) - return to the homeland regarding prisoners of war, displaced persons, refugees, emigrants with the restoration of citizenship

      Re-emigration - return of the emigrant to the country of original residence, return immigration.
      1. Dimon-chik-79
        Dimon-chik-79 17 October 2013 14: 44
        0
        Re-emigration check the box what you need !!!
    9. igorelo
      igorelo 16 October 2013 22: 00
      +2
      100% I agree with such a dermocracy. Entire Asian cities will soon be formed.
    10. 225chay
      225chay 17 October 2013 08: 37
      +1
      Quote: Povshnik
      And the criminal situation because of them is deteriorating sharply.

      I managed to ruin the USSR!
    11. timer
      timer 18 October 2013 00: 18
      0
      I am not leaving the first comment about articles dealing with the issue of migration, fertility, etc. I will not be lazy once again, I will write. So, it is necessary to act comprehensively and one way to cure migrant infection is to drive them all to labor camps for free labor for the benefit of Russia in various parts of my homeland! It is imperative to introduce a visa regime for countries from which a constant flow of migrant infection comes. There is no citizenship for them. Only a temporary permit is issued upon presentation of an agreement with the employer. And so that chocks do not go to us, build a business in these countries and create workplaces (only with the guarantee of the leaders of these countries in loyalty to Russia and the provision of maximum preferences for Russian business). Get double benefit.
      And yet, who cares very much about this problem (as well as the problems of corruption, counteraction to the current rotten government), let's begin to become impoverished. I propose to begin to establish correspondence (my mailbox [email protected]).
  2. APES
    APES 16 October 2013 09: 01
    11
    Moscow, October 16 - AIF-Moscow. A group of six people of "eastern appearance", armed with pistols, broke into the Orthodox church of Gregory of Neocaesarea, located in the center of the capital, Interfax reports.

    “The hooligans, being in a completely insane state, either alcoholic or drug intoxication, behaved extremely indecently, swore obscenely and threatened with a praying gun,” the agency’s source said.

    According to him, the attackers threatened to "blow their heads" to the rector of the church, urging them to stop their actions.

    After the clergymen managed to press the “panic button”, police arrived at the scene and detained the troublemakers.
    1. Field
      Field 16 October 2013 09: 08
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      "A group of six people of" eastern appearance "" - simply put, chocks

      And yesterday, a terrorist attack on a chemical warehouse was prevented. weapons in the Kirov region. Terrorists were coming from Moscow from Moscow.
      The trend however ...

      Just how long will we tolerate its growth?
      1. Maks111
        Maks111 16 October 2013 11: 08
        +5
        Just how long will we tolerate its growth?
        Until then, instead of rams, they will begin to use Russians in Byram, and even then they will lie still.
    2. Airman
      Airman 16 October 2013 10: 08
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      Quote: APES


      After the clergymen managed to press the “panic button”, police arrived at the scene and detained the troublemakers.

      A few hours later, (it's good if they drew up a protocol for petty hooliganism and issued a fine of 500 rubles) they released. And if the Orthodox had done this in the mosque, immediately in all the media they began to shout "Russian nationalism", the oppression of the Gentiles. These can only scoff at praying grandmothers, like jackals in a pack. Why, when they are rebuffed, the authorities themselves begin to accuse the people of Russian nationalism, why, if the authorities are inactive, we cannot stand up for ourselves?
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 16 October 2013 10: 24
        +7
        And you look at the composition of the government: how many Russians are there and who they will fight against, but we have never been their own people! And until the Guarantor of the Constitution expels all the so-called liberals from the country's ruling bodies will be chaos or the people will arm themselves and fight back, but then it will not seem to anyone. It's time to close this muddy flow of migrants to our country and you will see how crime, drug addiction and unemployment will decrease! And the social climate will improve significantly.
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 16 October 2013 11: 01
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          Quote: kartalovkolya
          And you look at the composition of the government

          And look at it))) you look at your last name Dvorkovich, everything seems to be ok ... and then ... Zumrud Handamovna Rustamova’s wife went and went ... and there the Bilalov’s family is pulling up ... in general, the Magomedov brothers can go on for a long time ...

          You can not watch the selection but just listen.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 16 October 2013 21: 34
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            Quote: Scoun
            Quote: kartalovkolya
            And you look at the composition of the government

            And look at it))) you look at your last name Dvorkovich, everything seems to be ok ... and then ... Zumrud Handamovna Rustamova’s wife went and went ... and there the Bilalov’s family is pulling up ... in general, the Magomedov brothers can go on for a long time ...

            You can not watch the selection but just listen.
            - something there Caucasians, whom you enthusiastically hate, with a gulkin nose - a puppet Rustamova yes brothers Magomedov. laughing And then - they gave them a trifle to play with ... And other Caucasians rule Chubais, Dvorkovich himself, Kasparov.
            Mlyn, I’m fucking, I’m fucking, I’m already indicating with my finger who you would really hate instead of the Caucasians, but somehow for no reason. And why? Yes, the devil is known, misleading, already recognized for the owners.
            1. Shumka
              Shumka 16 October 2013 22: 01
              +2
              IMHO. there is just an example that the ears of the legs horns go far / lead, but IMHO, everything will be decided one way or another, because I got outrage and Co.
            2. Shumka
              Shumka 16 October 2013 22: 06
              0
              By the way, bearded, you accused the character of love / dislike deliberately provocative?
              Do not hammer with rapture, at one fine moment you yourself will be hammered together by Nazarbayev. Times however.
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 16 October 2013 11: 02
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          Quote: kartalovkolya
          until the Guarantor of the Constitution expels all the so-called ruling liberals

          Whom will he throw out - himself?
      2. APES
        APES 16 October 2013 10: 26
        +4
        The Orthodox cannot do this by definition
    3. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 16 October 2013 11: 00
      +4
      Quote: APES
      A group of six people of "eastern appearance", armed with pistols, broke into an Orthodox church
      1. APES
        APES 16 October 2013 11: 13
        +7
        Events in Biryulyovo: a look not only from Moscow
        The situation was commented on by priests of the Russian Orthodox Church and a native Englishwoman, a nun of an Orthodox monastery in France.
        Excerpts:
        "Not a muffled murmur, but a desperate cry,"
        Archpriest Alexy Sorokin, Rector of the Church of the Holy Righteous Lazarus the Four-Day, Vologda:
        - It’s not even a problem, but a catastrophic situation: people who come to Russia not only do not consider it necessary to know and study the Russian language and Russian culture based on Orthodoxy, but also defiantly and defiantly violate the simplest norms of human society.


        More details: http://www.pravoslavie.ru/jurnal/64942.htm

        I think you have a wrong attitude towards Orthodoxy by virtue of not knowledge, especially since there is no understanding of what humility is
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 16 October 2013 11: 38
          -1
          Quote: APES
          I think you have a wrong attitude towards Orthodoxy by virtue of not knowledge, especially since there is no understanding of what humility is

          It is quite adequate by virtue of the knowledge of double morality inherent in both the Russian Orthodox Church and Christianity in general.

          The Russian Orthodox Church itself will not come to terms with anything - it encourages society to come to terms, as this is necessary for the current government.
          1. APES
            APES 16 October 2013 11: 43
            +1
            request, answer the question:
            "what is the church?"
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 16 October 2013 11: 59
              +5
              Quote: APES
              request, answer the question:
              "what is the church?"

              We do not consider the church as an architectural structure - right? smile

              1 Community of all people professing one confession - "for where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am in the midst of them"

              2 socio-bureaucratic commercial organization with a claim to the ultimate truth.
              1. APES
                APES 16 October 2013 12: 07
                +4
                can be supplemented, but for starters:
                is the first equal to the second? ;)

                Regarding your second definition - his description and his story and what became of him in the New Testament.

                the church is the Assembly, at the parish level is the community.
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 16 October 2013 12: 26
                  +1
                  Quote: APES
                  can be supplemented, but for starters:
                  is the first equal to the second?
                  In terms of clergy.

                  Regarding your second definition - his description and his story and what became of him in the New Testament
                  The norms given by the NT and the reality are "somewhat" different, and the justification for these differences is also found in the NT.

                  the church is the Assembly, at the parish level is the community.
                  In the narrow sense. In a broad sense, the community is only part of the church of Christ.
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                  2. APES
                    APES 16 October 2013 12: 55
                    +1
                    in NZ I didn’t mean norms, but just a description of your understanding, namely, on the example of scribes and Pharisees
                    (although I disagree with you on this issue - with your understanding of the Russian Orthodox Church and reality), you judge from the outside.
                    Question:
                    what gives, can give concrete, what help can the community (not prayers) provide in the narrow sense?

                    the broad meaning is not worth discussing.
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 16 October 2013 13: 17
                      +1
                      Quote: APES
                      You judge outside
                      More visible from the side.

                      My understanding is based on a comparison of what I have read and what I have seen, and as I already wrote, in the NZ you can find opposing provisions regarding one topic.

                      what gives, can give concrete, what help can the community (not prayers) provide in the narrow sense?
                      It can give the same thing as any other community of people. And the same problems can create.

                      the broad meaning is not worth discussing.
                      So you yourself speak about common things and ask general questions without bothering yourself with specifics.
                      1. APES
                        APES 16 October 2013 14: 08
                        +3
                        The specifics:
                        Offering the issues of faith and the church aside, especially since I do not belong to the clergy, and I have no right to deeply discuss such issues. I ask you to pay attention that in a conversation with you I respect your opinion, as part of a person’s free will, which is an integral part of you, moreover, I do not urge you to “believe”, “fast”, “repent”, etc. etc.
                        Your post, the photo “you must reconcile yourself” does not correspond to reality, in the sense that the Orthodox (church) will not give offense, as an example, we take a real community.
                        In my parish, the community began to take shape in the 2002 year, now it numbers about 3 of thousands of people, the community has something like a security service, the main task of which is to protect the Brothers and Sisters, the order of 300 people who know how, know how and legally own weapons, among them there are participants in military conflicts, there are active employees of law enforcement agencies. How does a member of the community feel, knowing that at his call within an hour in any district of the city 300 of his Brothers will appear ready to do anything to protect him?
                        Yes, a community as a community can cause problems for an individual person, but it will never infringe on a person’s Freedom, force him to do anything against his will, etc. - it is very important!
                        In our country, something will change only when the people begin to organize themselves, as - I said my opinion, this is possible on the basis of the church.
                      2. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 16 October 2013 14: 48
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                        Quote: APES
                        Orthodox (church) will not give offense, as an example, take a real community
                        Most truly religious people, and especially people who belong to a community and are psychologically dependent on this community, will do what the community leader, who is usually a minister of worship, will say. He, in turn, will do what the diocese leadership says. The diocese will comply with the decree of the patriarchate.

                        And the patriarchy will never begin to contradict the current Authority, the results of whose policy we have the opportunity to observe in Kondopoga, Pugachev, Biryulyovo, etc.

                        Notice how this system works: dances of women on the pulpit, dances of a Mohammedan on the fence of the temple and repeated pogroms of temples by migrants and people from the Caucasus - this is one field of berries (pogroms, in my subjective opinion, are the worst).
                        But the hype rises and diligently spins up only when it is necessary to scare people with the mythical orange revolution and redirect people's discontent towards certain vague liberals, which as a result allows the current Power to remain Power.
                        When the pogroms in the temples take place, both the patriarchy and the authorities are essentially silent, and senior officials of the Russian Orthodox Church declare that "when there is a phenomenon that cannot be defeated - (in this place there is programming to defeat and setting to refuse to fight) - we need to fight not with the phenomenon, but with our reaction to it " - that is, it is proposed to shut up and not to interfere with the Authorities and further flood the country with migrants, for which at least some resistance (individuals or groups, and not phenomena) is invited to unite in communities (preferably under the auspices of the Russian Orthodox Church). It is proposed to passively and ex-post defer from the investigation, and not to eradicate the cause.

                        In our country, something will change only when the people begin to organize themselves, as - I said my opinion, this is possible on the basis of the church.
                        This is possible not only on the basis of the church, the "law enforcement officers" are more willing to turn a blind eye to self-defense under the roof of the church, rather than to self-defense without cover from the latter.
                      3. APES
                        APES 16 October 2013 15: 24
                        +2
                        about leadership, the head of the community, I have not just emphasized that no one, including even the Patriarch himself, can infringe on the free will of a person, i.e. to force - to force - to oblige, etc.

                        I don’t know anything about the attitude of the patriarchy with the current government.

                        about the statements of senior officials of the Russian Orthodox Church, the last thing I read at Interfax on the latest events in Moscow:
                        "it is necessary to fight migration and ethnic crime"

                        Judging by recent events in the country, such as: the arrest of the mayor of Makhachkala, a company against holders of potash business, the revocation of licenses from many North Caucasian banks, the change of leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the situation in the country is changing, and these events are only visible to the general public, which is hidden can be read here:
                        http://topwar.ru/34048-putin-prinyal-reshenie-kotoroe-do-nego-prinimalos-v-istor
                        ii-rossii-dva-raza-v-37-mi-posle-smerti-stalina.html
                      4. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 16 October 2013 16: 43
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                        Quote: APES
                        no one, including even the Patriarch himself, can infringe on the free will of man - i.e. to force - to force - to oblige, etc.
                        Experience shows that everything is exactly the opposite - otherwise the children would have been given the right to choose, rather than baptized them in infancy, there would never have been a code of punishment that would raise the rank of law to repressive measures against apostates, and the modern Russian Orthodox Church would never have try, using an administrative resource, to introduce compulsory catechism study in all secondary schools (even in schools of traditionally Islamic regions).

                        I don’t know anything about the attitude of the patriarchy with the current government
                        The first persons in the church for Easter (although Putin, in accordance with the 70 rule of the apostles, should be excommunicated at all), Chubais’s congratulations on his 55th birthday, the foundations of religious cultures in schools, etc.

                        about the statements of senior officials of the Russian Orthodox Church, the last thing I read at Interfax on the latest events in Moscow:
                        "it is necessary to fight migration and ethnic crime"
                        At the same time, there are statements about the need to adapt migrants (at whose expense - what do you think?), And this was said at the conference "Prospects for the sociocultural adaptation of migrants in Russia" (website of the Patriarchate), where representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church have close contacts with the Federal Migration Service, that is with representatives of the current Government.

                        Judging by the latest events in the country, such as: the arrest of the mayor of Makhachkala, a company against potash business holders, revocation of licenses from many North Caucasian banks, a change in the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the situation in the country is changing, and these events are only visible to the general public
                        The situation is only getting worse, and the things you have listed are only episodes - someone didn’t share or quarrel with someone, someone needs to be handed over a little to calm the people down.
                      5. APES
                        APES 16 October 2013 20: 04
                        +1
                        The decision on baptism is made by the parents. In Russia, such a tradition has developed, maybe this is its salvation? Another question, why be baptized if you do not become a member of the church?
                        The Russian Orthodox Church and the school - as far as I know, there is a choice, up to the point that you can refuse, at will.
                        ROC and migrants. The ROC imports migrants? ROC can stop delivery? How can she influence the situation? Perhaps only by suggesting adaptation. Since you read the Bible, then you know what it says about the aliens, about the attitude towards them and what happens to the people who violated the commandments?
                        ROC and higher ranks. I think they know more than we just because of access to information that we can only guess about. ROC and Putin - where is Lyudmila Putin? ROC and Chubais - time will tell.
                        Why are there attacks on the Russian Orthodox Church, on authority at the state level, which defends traditional values ​​with all its might? From one of your messages it became clear your attitude to Navalny, I dare to assure you that your attitude to the Russian Orthodox Church is fully consistent with the attitude of this gentleman and his masters.
                        Ask the Orthodox: who is a sinner and who is righteous? Hear the answer: I am a sinner, and whoever is righteous knows only GOD.
                        The problem is that people in their troubles are used to blaming anyone (power, politics, neighbor, etc.) but not themselves.
                      6. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 16 October 2013 21: 34
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                        Quote: APES
                        Parents make baptism decisions
                        Thus, violating the principle of free will, and any minister of worship in such a situation, at best, will approvingly remain silent. Again, the code on punishments obliged parents to "educate their children in the Orthodox faith."

                        ROC and school - as far as I know there is a choice
                        And it is precisely on this (that they did not allow the MANDATORY study of the catechism to be introduced) that Cyril complained to Polish journalists.

                        How can she influence the situation?
                        He can voice his fundamental disagreement, he can condemn such a practice, he can put pressure on / explain to the flock what’s what (or flocks in the form of top officials, officials and deputies are not flocks, but advertising?) Instead of the abovementioned, the Russian Orthodox Church goes in the wake of the Government, smoothing out the discontent of the population and calling for humility.

                        The Bible, then you know what it says about the aliens, about the attitude towards them and what happens to the people who violated the commandments?
                        It is known - as well as the difference between an alien and a foreigner, as well as the difference in attitude towards them.

                        time will tell
                        Time shows the last 20, 70, 90, 1000 and 2000 years - it shows the same thing.

                        Why are there attacks on the Russian Orthodox Church, on authority at the state level, which by all means defends traditional values
                        Authority can protect only the one to whom it belongs - the church is not a source of traditional values ​​and its authority, which it regularly undermines, does not protect them.
                        I don’t see an attack on the church - I see a conviction in what the church itself calls sin (in lies and double morality above all)
                        And indeed, complaints of attacks, both from the clergy and from the side of ordinary parishioners, are somewhat strange - it seems that none of them read the Gospel of Matthew 5:44

                        I dare to assure you that your attitude towards the Russian Orthodox Church is fully consistent with the attitude of this gentleman and his masters
                        I dare to assure you that both the ROC and Navalny & ko have the same owners, and that they played out the pre-election threat of the "orange revolution" together - each in his own field of activity.

                        Ask the Orthodox: who is a sinner and who is righteous? Hear the answer: I am a sinner, and who the righteous knows only GOD
                        Such an answer, at best, can be heard 1 in a million in a relaxed atmosphere. In a situation where the Orthodox is hurt - at best, 1 in 10 million.

                        The problem is that people in their troubles are used to blaming anyone (power, politics, neighbor, etc.) but not themselves.
                        Partly agree, but in the vast majority of cases, the Government is really to blame for the problems of citizens of the Russian Federation.
                      7. APES
                        APES 16 October 2013 22: 04
                        +2
                        Gospel of Matthew 5: 44 - did not want to tell you, today I prayed at the service for you. (The question is closed? - at least between us ?. :)
                        Baptism of infants and not only spoke with many priests, and many of them are against, in terms of the fact that there should be a free, and most importantly responsible choice of the person himself. For example, in my parish, before baptizing anyone, 5 watches will be communicated with such a person, and then they will offer to think and, for a start, go to the announcement.
                        The decision is made by the parents, I repeat, why do they do it when they themselves are often not churched people? Tribute to tradition? You understand what happens to a person right after baptism - and this is not a joke.
                        Cyril complained - so what, he is also a man and a sinner, not everything is in his power.
                        The authority of the church and the authority of the Russian Orthodox Church are two different things - you know that even a “bad” clergyman cannot spoil the sacraments in any way.
                        Moreover, he did not notice that the Russian Orthodox Church was undermining its reputation, is it just possible that it argues in other categories? Openly state your position - I gave the links above.
                      8. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 17 October 2013 09: 48
                        -1
                        Quote: APES
                        today at the service I prayed for you
                        Thank you hi

                        The question is closed? - at least between us?
                        This question did not open between us - it was open between the Russian Orthodox Church and society, and between society and those guys who are trying, as a rule by administrative-force methods, to impose their views on everyone.

                        spoke with many priests and many of them against
                        As far as I can tell, your example is an exception.
                        Every action of the church is justified in the Bible, and until the 20th century the baptism of a child was a mandatory ritual. In the 20th century, social conditions changed, but not the rationale for actions and goals (both declared and real).

                        Cyril complained - so what, he is also a man and a sinner, not everything is in his power
                        He is not just a person - he is the head of a significant social institution. And if such a person, in relation to whom many people have reduced criticality of perception, declares one thing, but in practice does the exact opposite - that’s something, but that means.

                        The authority of the church and the authority of the Russian Orthodox Church are two different things.
                        If so, why when does anyone indicate a discrepancy between the real policy of the Russian Orthodox Church and the actions of its officials with their declarations, they begin to make noise that there are attacks on the church?
                        You do not find that for many, the organization under the acronym ROC has turned into an idol?
                        Of course, a bad priest will not spoil the sacraments (unless of course he drowns the child at baptism, as was the case in Moldova), but any person will not damage the church of Christ if he reveals a bad priest (even if this priest is a patriarch)

                        I didn’t notice that the Russian Orthodox Church undermined its reputation, it’s just possible that it argues in other categories
                        These are not other categories - this is the difference between the declared and the committed, that is, a lie and double morality.
  • Walker1975
    Walker1975 16 October 2013 14: 47
    -1
    Excuse me, but the Russians who came to other republics under the USSR were eager to learn local languages ​​and culture? For the Baltic States, Ukraine, Kazakhstan - more than 20 years of independence, and how many Russians do not know the language of their country. They also require the introduction of Russian as a state.

    Similarly, migrants in Russia. Say thank you that they do not yet require the introduction of their languages ​​in Russia as state languages.
  • Kolya
    Kolya 17 October 2013 02: 59
    0
    "After the clergy managed to press the 'panic button', police arrived at the scene and detained the troublemakers." - and of course they were released for lack of corpus delicti.
  • domokl
    domokl 16 October 2013 09: 03
    15
    Pain article. Especially conclusions. And you can’t argue. Demography is really in the pen.
    But it seems to me that the reason is still not the very arrival of new citizens (and more often than not citizens, but illegal immigrants), but because the authorities are rotten. Everything and everything can be bought, everything can be paid ... The authorities so far understand that they will cope with young people. But if the older and middle generation rises, there will be serious massacre. There is nothing for the elderly to be afraid of especially in prison.
    So, first of all, it is necessary to strangle officials and security officials who do not notice abscesses in bribes. In any city, in any house, it is enough to ask residents to find out where the drug addicts are, where is the gangster stash, where are illegal immigrants and what are they doing. They don’t want to work, they don’t want order . The most disgusting thing is that the Caucasians themselves in Russia say almost the same thing.
    1. hrych
      hrych 16 October 2013 09: 30
      +9
      I am afraid that the older generation, which has passed the Union and, strictly speaking, allowed all this, will never rise. Exactly one hope for the youth, because Every year there is more and more pressure on the authorities from below, and believe me, at the expense of young people, the situation is improving, starting with Manezhka. Recent events have shown that, with the will of the people, this problem is solved in no time, and the murder was quickly solved, and the hotbed will be closed, and the rubber apartments will be empty, and the cops acted with great reluctance and, in fact, allowed a couple of abscesses to be destroyed. After these events, we have good prospects, but only because of young people, and the sooner they oust from the spheres of power those who were brought up in internationalism, who have drunk their old motherland on drink with their "Eurasianism", the better. And at the expense of Russian passports, there is an old anecdote where it is said that they will hit in the face and now it is already clear that they will.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 16 October 2013 11: 07
        +7
        Quote: hrych
        brought up in internationalism

        When people were brought up on the principles of precisely internationalism, and not what they say they are now, such a problem did not exist.
      2. randomizer
        randomizer 16 October 2013 11: 12
        +9
        I agree one hundred percent. Internationalism allowed keeping Russians in check for many years. But just now there is no ideological basis for internationalism. Southern friends, systematically squeezing Russians out of their under-states, do not suffer from this ailment. Do we need this Eurasianism if it gives us the flow of savages to our cities? Only then will you not be fenced off with a visa barrier. Be patient? Oh no! The Russians woke up! Without them, we can do everything. Here in Moscow systematically replace drivers of minibuses by Slavs. And it is gratifying. We can do it everywhere.
        1. hrych
          hrych 16 October 2013 11: 31
          +3
          The fact that the Russian people are imperial is beyond doubt, thanks to the history according to which all our great falls ended in an even more huge and terrible (to friends and foes) empire. Now the GDP is building this Eurasianism, where neighboring beggars are persuaded to join the CU, but this is all a mistake and there will be constant blackmail and extortion. So far, Turkmenistan is self-sufficient because of its wealth and the fact that gas is pumped through our pipelines, but this is not for long. Many say that Azerbaijan is self-sufficient, but this is not so, if the Central Asians directly live off the Gaster, that quarter of Azerbaijanis live in Russia, engaging in speculation and upon their return their homeland will not be able to feed them, there is also no way to restore the territorial integrity of their country. The Eurasian empire is doomed to failure, but no one canceled the empire on bayonets, and after the GDP - even though the "great potter", the conqueror will come, the people will support, and the constitution (thanks to the liberals and the shooting of the White House) gives the prezik unlimited power.
      3. Ascetic
        Ascetic 16 October 2013 11: 29
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        Quote: hrych
        I’m afraid that the older generation, who rode the Union and, in fact, allowed all this, will never rise.


        The truth is that those who destroyed the Soviet Union two decades ago in order to take away state property and personal enrichment had no idea what national policy was. It never occurred to them that they should deal with these issues. They do not deal with this for the same reason. For them, the main thing is a liberal market that will regulate everything. Here traders everything and regulate how they are profitable, because the power of capital protects capital. There are recipes for treating the disease, but they simply can’t use their power. To do this, you need to remove the snout from the state feeder and engage in national politics seriously. And in order to deal with it, you need to change the liberal economic model to a state-monopoly one, as in Belarus, for example, or in the United States so beloved by our liberals. Try shouting any religious or nationalist slogans in a public place, or block the road to a Muslim holiday for prayers,how it is done in Moscow, they will rake handles under white, be sure and fine so that no Allah will help. And if a black white knife is fixed with a knife, squeeze on an electric chair without options. We have a burnt abrek prancing near the Kremlin on Laborghini and shooting on the street in wedding convoys, and like water off a duck's back, they scammed without a word a frightened lady who knocked down a fence near the White House and was traveling with a child. Yes, cruel, but essentially correct. What prevented him from shooting the same abrek when trying to attack the Kremlin? They would applaud the EU, but besides the liberal activists. They imposed freedom and democracy through their agents of influence, and they themselves took from the experience of the USSR where the friendship of peoples drove into our heads without any sentiments and reservations and they began to drive into the head the idea of ​​a united American nation and its greatness, where all Americans really rule the country Anglo-Saxons descendants of immigrants and Jewish clans of financial oligarchs. But the main people then believe in the unity of the nation and the society of equal opportunities and the greatness of America. Is it good or bad is another matter.The main thing is the work of the state, and not its powerlessness and letting the problem go by itself. Recall the same USSR. All religious discrepancies moved immediately and without options - the state was secular with a bias towards atheism. You can believe, but only in places specially designated for this. For the cries of “Allahu akbar!” or "Hari Krishna!" overly exalted citizens were immediately taken by the appropriate authorities. For your confidence in the greatness of Allah should not become a cause of tension in the country. And then their path, at best, ends in psychiatric hospitals of a special type. Those who did not like it did not stand on ceremony for a second. Then, in the era of perestroika, such people were recorded as “prisoners of conscience” and “victims of a totalitarian regime”.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 16 October 2013 11: 30
          +8
          Now these victims and their descendants for whom, at best, this psychiatric hospital is crying, calmly and confidently feel themselves in modern Russia and pump rights.
          While the government will stand between the need to strengthen the state (to protect from the outside and attract satellite handouts and concessions) and liberal economic policy (to protect the interests of capital in the vast majority of anti-Russian and anti-Russian), there can be, in principle, no effective work on the national issue speech. Without strict dictatorship and state regulation (first of all, creation of protectionism mechanisms for nationally-oriented industrial capital and not intermediary-speculative foreign indigenous Russians as a matter of fact) with rigid ideological frameworks for no decision on either demography or migration or on the national issue in the present form of a split state consciousness and there will be no power.
          1. hrych
            hrych 16 October 2013 18: 29
            +2
            Yes, Stanislav, said with pain in his heart and everything is true, as always. soldier
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 16 October 2013 22: 12
              +1
              Quote: hrych
              Yes, Stanislav, said with pain in his heart and everything is true, as always. soldier
              - Hrych, I welcome, you're right, Ascetic posted well, but what did you post? Which conqueror? I don’t argue about the empire. About the revival of the empire on the basis of a sensible idea - there is a chance. Only a good idea is needed. But you are obviously talking about some kind of military conquest. I don’t really like it. Too many people? Or is it a little territory?
              1. hrych
                hrych 17 October 2013 03: 01
                +3
                What can I tell you, dear Aksakal, you already know, but from a different angle. The union was destroyed not in order to form 16 independent states, but to capture them. At the first stage, they captured the Baltic states and the Warsaw Pact countries, which in fact were almost union republics, they immediately entered another empire - the EU, they themselves did not understand how they lost their independence, now they are obliged to supply "meat" to Iraq and Afghanistan, and the population, for example, of proud Lithuanians, travels gaster (slaves) to Ireland - the most cheesh of the Western states, a part of which is still under the heel of the British, well, immediately debts and credit and financial bondage for the slavery of the future generation. The obstinate Yugoslavia did not disdain to just bomb. At the second stage, they carried out flower revolutions in Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan and Georgia (note one in Central Asia, one in the Caucasus and one of the Slavic states). As a result, YOU, you know, had to fight with Georgia and tear off pieces, otherwise the Caucasian ridge would not be under our control, and NATO would hang over our grain south. The war with Ukraine almost broke out when Yushch gave the order to blockade the Crimean fleet, but the Bandera men destroyed their share of the ships, and even put them in their pants because lumberjacks cannot become "sea wolves" overnight. In Kyrgyzstan, the Kremlin has already put up resistance (primarily financially), and so far there are both our and NATO bases, i.e. not full control of NATO. When the Ukrainians expelled Yusch, and VVP began to create a vehicle, the "friends" became more active and now there is a battle for Ukraine. What will happen at the next stage? But the 150-strong modern army is in Central Asia and is going to go somewhere or to someone from Afgan. For some reason, right now, Russia is urgently putting the army in order, apparently VVP knows something more than we do and is urgently preparing for something. Apparently on the nose is a new redistribution.
                With regards to my post, then we must not chew snot and wait for the attack on Tskhinvali, and then deploy tanks from the road to defenseless Tiflis, and as soon as the "grads" began to be erected, then the CD should be beaten at Sakashvili's palace, but will is needed, not a builder is needed , and the commander and it will be sooner or later.
  • Jack122
    Jack122 16 October 2013 09: 07
    30
    When it comes to the national question, I begin to hate the government and Putin, at this moment I don't give a damn about all Syrian issues and Russia's diplomatic victories. This is a very sore point.
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 16 October 2013 14: 27
      +5
      I fully agree as I begin to look at nat. Russian policy and I want to change the power ... that's just who to change, that's the question.
    2. Warrawar
      Warrawar 16 October 2013 14: 57
      +4
      Quote: Jack122
      When it comes to the national question, I begin to hate the government and Putin, at this moment I don't give a damn about all Syrian issues and Russia's diplomatic victories. This is a very sore point.

      I agree 100%. What's the point in Putin's "victories" in foreign policy, if there is a mess inside the country.
      What is happening now in Russia crosses out all of Putin’s achievements beyond its borders.
      1. Bismark
        Bismark 17 October 2013 15: 08
        +1
        I will support you 100%. On a cracked foundation, the fortress will not stand idle for a long time.
  • os9165
    os9165 16 October 2013 09: 13
    +1
    In general, the migration policy in our country today is such that people who embody this policy act like they say: they want to eat a fish and not to wash a plate with themselves - you see, our economy will “get bogged down” without labor migrants, demography without them is generally unintelligible, but we (those same people) will certainly be harsh towards migrants.
    The main goal of our policy is money at all costs. The state is destroying itself. An example is all production in China. Migration policy is carried out stupidly; we have Ukrainians, Belarusians are Moldovans, and Muslim migrants earn money in Grozny, Kazan and other similar cities and villages. Correction - Kolokoltsev took and removed and the rest that are silent. You need to think, and not just do the loot, but there even though the grass does not grow. Well, and most importantly, you need to love your people, and not cut it to death.
  • APES
    APES 16 October 2013 09: 15
    +2
    A newcomer attacked an Orthodox church with blasphemous shouts

    On Thursday morning, an attack was made on an Orthodox church located in Bibirevo. The attacker burst into the church with blasphemous shouts and began to attack the parishioners.


    Fortunately, the guards quickly and firmly twisted the blasphemer, who intended to tear down the icons from the walls to defile them.

    “The attack took place in Bibirevo in the church of the Cathedral of the Russian Saints under construction,” said Abbot Sergiy (Rybko) to Vecherka. - During the early liturgy, a person of Caucasian nationality burst in, who began to row, tear down icons, and attack parishioners. He shouted that he would kill everyone, kill him, there ... all swearing. “Your faith is wrong,” cried. And so on. He pushed parishioners. Fortunately, our icons are tightly screwed to the walls, he did not manage to abuse them, which he obviously tried to do. Well, his guards twisted, laid, called the police. While they were waiting for the police and he was lying, he continued there his threats of all kinds and blasphemy. A criminal case has now been opened.

    “And this ... man, is he detained?”

    - The man is detained. He was taken to a psychiatric examination.

    In turn, law enforcement officials believe that the crime is negligible. However, they were not ready to correlate the act with the law “On insulting the feelings of believers” adopted by the State Duma. Apparently, due to the fact that the law is too new.

    “About 8.30, a message about this situation was received on the 02 duty desk,” Vecherka was told in the press service of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for Moscow. - Arriving at the scene, police officers detained an unknown person who swore obscene language in the temple. He was detained, an audit is underway, the results of which will be the decision to institute criminal proceedings.

    However, they were not ready to correlate the act with the law “On insulting the feelings of believers” adopted by the State Duma. Apparently, due to the fact that the law is too new.

    It remains to add that this glaring case was taken over by the FSB.
    More details: http://www.vmdaily.ru/news/2013/06/13/priezzhij-s-bogohulnimi-krikami-napal-na-p
    ravoslavnij-hram-200484.html
    1. zao74
      zao74 16 October 2013 11: 21
      +1
      Several statements from parishioners will resolve the issue in a positive way.
  • saag
    saag 16 October 2013 09: 15
    0
    "... There is always a" little man "who, for a certain number of bills (or out of friendship and kindness of his soul), can grant a visa to" especially needy "."
    Well, it’s necessary to exclude the human factor, remove the little man, let the machine work, we need a cyberbuffer when working with people
  • bif
    bif 16 October 2013 09: 29
    +5
    Unintelligible article ... a la everything is bad and there is no way out. I do not agree. The impact measures listed in the article may not work separately, but in the complex they will definitely work.
    1. Visas are required, as well as the introduction of an advance payment at the entrance to pay for a potential expulsion, they were discussed in the Duma. The introduction of return visas ... yes, please, as if there are many who want to go to villages and villages.
    2. Control over the FMS and other officials with tougher penalties ... imprison and dismiss superiors. Empowering FMS employees with the appropriate authority to stop employers from using illegal immigrants.
    3. Tighten penalties for migrants ... violation and goodbye 10let visa or a complete ban.
    4. Introduce increased fees for the transfer of money from Russia to these countries.
    5. Disperse all ethnic communities.
    In terms of population growth .. it is necessary to support domestic producers ... maternity capital, benefits, subsidies and state assistance
  • Ddhal
    Ddhal 16 October 2013 09: 40
    +8
    1-gluttony
    2 adultery
    3-love of money
    4-sadness
    5-anger
    6-gloom
    7-vanity
    8-pride
    The desire of Russian officials to live in 1,2,3,7 and 8, creates among the people not only 4, passing into 6, but also is already fueling a fair 5 ......
    1. APES
      APES 16 October 2013 10: 19
      0
      The people themselves are to blame and deserve what they have.
      According to the All-Russian survey conducted by VTsIOM in March 2010, 75% of Russians consider themselves Orthodox Christians, while only 54% of them are familiar with the content of the Bible.
      The head of the sociological department of the Institute of Public Design, Mikhail Askoldovich Tarusin, commented on this data as follows: [18]

      “This number shows little. If these data can be considered an indicator of something, then only of modern Russian national identity. But not real religious affiliation. If we consider Orthodox "church" people to be those who at least once - twice a year participate in the Sacraments of Confession and Communion, then Orthodox 18-20%. Thus, about 60% of VTsIOM respondents are not Orthodox people. If they go to the temple, then several times a year, as in some kind of household services - to bless the Easter cake, to take Epiphany water ... And some of them don’t even go then, moreover, many may not believe in God, but with they call themselves Orthodox.
      Therefore, regarding sins - start with yourself, and the world around you will change.
      For the Orthodox, the norm is - to be at the Liturgy every Sunday; to confess at least once a month, receive communion at least 4 once a year.

      Regarding this article:

      Deuteronomy, 28
      "But if you do not listen to the voice of the Lord your God and do not try to fulfill all His commandments and His decrees that I command you today, then all these curses will come on you and befall you.
      The Lord will send the people to you from far away, from the ends of the earth: how an eagle will fly a people whom you don’t understand the language, a brazen people who do not respect the old man and will not spare the youth;
      and he will eat the fruit of your cattle and the fruit of your land until he ruins you, so that he will not leave you either bread, nor wine, nor oil, nor the fruit of your oxen, nor the fruit of your sheep, until he destroys you
      and he will crush you in all your dwellings, until in all your land he breaks down your high and strong walls, in which you hope; and he will oppress you in all your gates, in all your land, which the Lord your God has given you. "

      With all respect, Andrew
      1. Metlik
        Metlik 16 October 2013 10: 35
        +3
        Quote: APES
        The people themselves are to blame and deserve what they have.

        Does a people who defeated fascism and built a great country deserve a blow in the back from those whom we saved? The people who have given so many scientists to the world deserve illiterate, weak-willed rulers?
        1. APES
          APES 16 October 2013 10: 47
          +3
          It was a different people.
          two months after the outbreak of the war in 1941, a report by the SS General laid down on Hitler’s table, its essence is as follows:
          "We cannot defeat this people, the following fact was cited as an argument: in the occupied territories, 98% of unmarried girls were virgins."
          How many are there now?
          1. Metlik
            Metlik 16 October 2013 11: 28
            +1
            Quote: APES
            It was a different people.

            Why was it? Most of the population are those who were born in the USSR. What are they to blame? The fact that they were betrayed?
            1. APES
              APES 16 October 2013 11: 42
              0
              There was a people - there are people.
              The state of the people, primarily spiritual qualities, as well as the state of man is not some kind of static state. Are you the same as you were yesterday, a year ago, 10 years ago?
              I compared the statics - then and today, a fixed point.
              About betrayed, how did the people meet with publicity, perestroika, etc., the shooting of the White House?
              I wanted to say that the spiritual and moral qualities of the people as a whole correspond to those rulers who are now.
              Carry out an experiment: in the evening, go to the landing, call the neighbor at the door and ask him one simple sincere question: “How can I help you?” And look at the reaction, I think it will amuse you.
              1. Metlik
                Metlik 16 October 2013 12: 24
                +4
                The enemies of Russia clearly understand that it is impossible to defeat our country without destroying Russian culture and people. Propaganda, the fifth column, corrupt officials, the flow of drugs into the country, the allegedly "stupid" emigration policy are only instruments of a long-term plan. The Russian people are under attack from powerful hostile forces, and to say that they are to blame for their troubles is to be blind.
                1. APES
                  APES 16 October 2013 12: 33
                  0
                  Question:
                  Why is this happening? the answer seems to be on the surface, although my answer will be fundamentally different from yours.
                  Second question:
                  How can one be protected from this and who should protect? I think our answers will not match either :)
                  Third question: what are these hostile forces?
                  Fourth question: the Russian people were repeatedly under attack, what saved him?
                  The fifth question, a private one (excuse me) what role do you play in this struggle?
                  1. Metlik
                    Metlik 16 October 2013 13: 12
                    +1
                    You cannot answer in a nutshell. Dostoevsky said best of all - "beauty will save the world" - and this is the answer to many questions.
                    Specifically, society needs an idea, organization and leaders. We begin to understand this - it means we are reborn.
      2. alebor
        alebor 16 October 2013 12: 27
        +1
        Quote: APES
        According to the All-Russian survey conducted by VTsIOM in March 2010, 75% of Russians consider themselves Orthodox Christians, while only 54% of them are familiar with the content of the Bible.

        I would like to clarify. An Orthodox Christian is a person who regularly takes communion. It is these people who are considered members of the church. If my memory serves me right, there are only about 2% of such people.
        1. APES
          APES 16 October 2013 12: 57
          0
          the real figure is even lower
        2. APES
          APES 16 October 2013 14: 37
          +1
          An Orthodox Christian is a person who regularly takes communion - this is not the most important thing.
          in a nutshell: Faith without works is empty.
  • Gennady1973
    Gennady1973 16 October 2013 09: 47
    +4
    "" and a retaliatory move from the same Transcaucasia and Central Asia will not be long in coming. "" "I wonder what will happen in response? Will we go to the Tajiks on visas? You might think that we are bringing them from Russia to them in droves
  • morpogr
    morpogr 16 October 2013 09: 47
    +1
    It is not a problem to find migrants in our country, it’s only a matter of conditions to create housing, a dormitory, a normal salary, and not as it is now on paper, there is only a miser but a difference in the pocket of the employer and to secure the lawfully priority right to work for a Russian resident.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 16 October 2013 09: 56
    0
    And people don’t care what kind of passport the alleged killer of a young Muscovite has, they are worried about something else - the fact that a failed migration policy today leads to the fact that the so-called ethnic crime in Russia is gaining more momentum, fueling the nationalist environment. At the same time, people demand that the authorities take measures against migrants, forcing them to live according to the laws of the country in which they are located.


    To refer to one failed migration policy is a very narrow aspect of the problem. And the corruption of officials of all ranks, including at the very top, the venality of high ranks in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other law enforcement agencies ... There are no enough fingers to bend.
  • erased
    erased 16 October 2013 10: 07
    10
    Well, if anyone still has doubts that the authorities definitely do not want to do anything with crime and the problem of migrants, then he is simply blind. With what eagerness the riot police force the Russian demonstrators into buses and how reluctantly they turn to "guests of the country". How joyfully various "specialists" shout that only nationalists and inadequate people take to the streets to protest. The reasons, of course, are not named.
    Another Russian is killed. Not the first and far from the last. The situation in the country is simply awful. And what are all these laudatory odes about new types of weapons, about sales of tanks and helicopters, about exercises and buffet tables for soldiers, if people are killed with impunity in the country!
    "The police get new cars" Bear! "", "A new uniform has been introduced for the police!" "The special forces of the internal troops are conducting exercises!" What's the use? Who makes it easier? Borders are open, migrants feel at home, they wreak havoc with impunity, and the authorities grumble when they can no longer remain silent.
    Yes, there is a chance of an attack on Russia by NATO, China, and southern neighbors. But the likelihood that the Russians will simply be destroyed from the inside is much higher. Under the indifferent silence of power. And this probability is growing every day.
  • stroporez
    stroporez 16 October 2013 10: 27
    +6
    our .................. power, in a long-term lease at a meager payment gives land to anyone - the Chinese, Koreans, Asians - just not to the Russians. judge for yourself - - to go to the field with 5-6 sons is much more convenient than to yourself, why not a solution to the "demographic problem" ?????? Oh, it came up !!! ----- that's why Russians are not allowed to breed did not start ...... and this whole bazaar of leaders about the "demographic problem" ------ hypocritical nonsense, Schaub not to say steeper. How is it - "the dog barks, the caravan is coming" ??? it seems, I know who is this dog ..........
  • bear
    bear 16 October 2013 10: 34
    +3
    MY OPINION, AUTHORITIES WE ARE AS A BONE IN THE THROAT. Therefore, there are no Russian authorities who love their people, but ... ki who love money. And we Slavs, instead of doing something, we shrug and cry, saying that we can do it.
  • alone
    alone 16 October 2013 10: 34
    +6
    migrants need your government. Remember the state program that said that within a certain time, the population of Russia should reach the level of the early 90's. There are 2 ways to achieve this:

    1) to improve the well-being of people and their living standards, so that people have faith in themselves that they need to have not 1, but 3 children.
    2) to drive into the country a huge number of migrants, preferably families from neighboring countries and give them citizenship.

    The first point is beneficial to everyone except officials. Why put money into the welfare of your people if they can be stolen (this applies to all officials, and not only Russian).

    The 2nd cheap way of the promised. But the fact that their own people are dissatisfied, but this is powerful but one place.
  • bear
    bear 16 October 2013 10: 38
    +5
    It’s naive to expect something good from the authorities, and it is not worth hoping for it.
  • New Russia
    New Russia 16 October 2013 10: 56
    10
    Is it really not visible that the authorities are leading Russia to collapse? The child understands this, at such a pace, by 2020 the situation will become critical for Russians and irreversible. In addition to a temporary victory in Syria, this rotten government did nothing, education, medicine, housing and communal services in a terrible state precisely thanks to the reforms after 2000. Even the economy fell, does this government have at least one achievement within the country, besides the fact that they did not pay salaries before, but now they still pay? Doooo is a great achievement for 1 years.
    And there are still such people who believe that we are going to a bright Asian Russophobic future.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 16 October 2013 11: 45
      +4
      Quote: New Russia
      does this government have at least one achievement within the country, besides the fact that they did not pay salaries before but now they still pay?
  • sergey261180
    sergey261180 16 October 2013 11: 22
    +9
    Down with the Churban-Urkagan authorities "!!! am
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 October 2013 11: 22
    -4
    by means of prohibitions and restrictions, the issue of guest workers cannot be resolved, since they (prohibitions) do not solve the cause of labor migration.
    The Union strengthened the construction of light industry enterprises throughout the entire CA precisely to address the employment of the local population, now all these enterprises are standing and people want to eat.
    you can stupidly close the borders, but we will get a bomb on the border and at some point they will pull all one here only with weapons in their hands.
    it is necessary to recover what happened during the Union, so that they have work there and there is no need to go here, I don’t know forcing the oligarchs to build and restore enterprises or something else, but there is no other solution to the problem
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 October 2013 11: 50
      -2
      you can put a dozen minuses, but if a neighbor broke a pipe from above, then in order for you not to be drowned, you can either turn off the water for everyone or close the break and if the neighbor has no money for this, then this becomes your problem
      1. sergey261180
        sergey261180 16 October 2013 12: 05
        +2
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        if a neighbor has a pipe interrupted from above, then in order for you not to be drowned, you can either turn off the water for everyone, or close up the breakthrough and if the neighbor has no money for this, then this becomes your problem

        Not a neighbor - no problem!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 October 2013 12: 08
          -4
          the easiest way to say stupidity is that the SA will not go anywhere, even if you will dance naked with a tambourine around the fire.
          1. sergey261180
            sergey261180 16 October 2013 13: 07
            +5
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            the easiest way to say stupidity is that the SA will not go anywhere, even if you will dance naked with a tambourine around the fire.

            If with a tambourine, then of course not. But if you give a tambourine, then as practice shows, it disappears.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 16 October 2013 15: 07
              -4
              I understand that it’s somehow not accepted to think with us.
              By the way, an example of solving the problem after they gave the tambourine can lead? !!!!
              while you beat a neighbor with a tambourine, while he comes to himself after that, while he searches for money (if he finds it), everything whips and floods your apartment.

              p / s / ... what to think, jump
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    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 16 October 2013 13: 40
      +1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      it is necessary to recover what happened during the Union, so that they have work there and there is no need to go here, I don’t know forcing the oligarchs to build and restore enterprises or something else, but there is no other solution to the problem


      But for this, it is necessary to create conditions for business to be interested in this, and not in momentary intermediary and commercial profit. And in order to make it more profitable to develop its production and create its own qualified personnel (where is the vocational school?), We need a purposeful protectionist policy of the state, which is practically absent, except perhaps the military-industrial complex (there are no gaster on the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome).
      It is necessary to occupy your indigenous population with productive and highly paid labor, and not with service in private security companies and managers in firms. But in the sphere of services and trade, introduce strict regulation of intermediary services, because where the bulk of migrants and immigrants from the Caucasus are involved is not called business and trade, but speculation and illegal entrepreneurship inherently. with all the attendant criminal consequences and corruption. There will not be these conditions, nor will there be a mass wave of migrants. They will not crash into buses on makeshift underground KAMAZ trucks, open vegetable collapses of vegetables they have not grown for bribes, various cafe-block houses where chef Vasya Bek will surprise you with shawarma from a stray dog, there will be no janitors and plumbers huddling in cellars, cabs on dead minibuses and other things ... It will become dangerous and unprofitable. If at the same time a certain number of semi-legal firms and firms are ruined, it doesn’t matter, the managers of Ostap Bender may be retrained as managerial houses or enthusiastically go to raise industry and agribusiness (lands in bulk), a bunch of managers, bank clerks, etc. will worthily take the place of guest workers in markets and in DEZs .
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 October 2013 15: 08
        -3
        Quote: Ascetic
        But for this, it is necessary to create conditions for business to be interested in this, and not in momentary intermediary and commercial profit. And to make it more profitable to develop its production and create its own qualified personnel (where is the vocational school?) And we need a purposeful protectionist policy of the state, which practically does not exist, with the possible exception of the military-industrial complex (there are no gaster on the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome
        I do not argue that a lot is needed to solve the problem, but stupidly "hitting a tambourine" is stupid, not only will it not solve the problem, but we will also go crazy with a neighbor
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 16 October 2013 11: 28
    +8
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    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 16 October 2013 11: 29
      +4
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  • FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 16 October 2013 11: 42
    +4
    I wanted to write something, but I'm afraid they will ban me for profanity and incitement.
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 16 October 2013 12: 06
      +2
      Quote: Фкенщь13
      I wanted to write something, but I'm afraid they will ban me for profanity and incitement.

      Write in hidden text. laughing
    2. Forest
      Forest 16 October 2013 12: 11
      +2
      Write in Russian, the Khazar (profanity) language in the screens of zombies is enough)
  • wei
    wei 16 October 2013 11: 56
    +8
    It is known that the population of Russia was declining ...

    saw the report, read articles
    essence a normal woman doesn’t drink works (as a cleaner at the station) doesn’t ask anyone for anything she has a child whose guardianship and trusteeship service wanted to take away from her on the basis that her earnings are not enough to provide a normal child
    state govnyukov had enough money for the salary of the supervisory authorities, not burning a torch, sliding roads, dancing bridges ... Any girl of whom 18 will think - yeah, good guy today, work, and tomorrow?
    and who will condemn her?
    except chatter from year to year almost nothing is done
  • russkiy ivan
    russkiy ivan 16 October 2013 12: 10
    +7
    Hmmm. You cannot enter visas, you cannot touch them, because they will treat us badly. "What are you! Frederick can not be defeated! We play retreat!" - Prince Apraksin yelled in the battle with the Austrian troops, which were completely defeated. A bit off topic, but I think there are similarities. And what, there is no other way to influence the leadership of Asian countries (read to lick them in the ass), except how to feed foreign countries at the expense of its own economy and the lives of its own citizens in Russia ?! Why, in this case, support the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and other structures whose responsibilities include resolving such issues? With Syria, the issue was resolved and a solution was found. They can when they want! And here, apparently, they do not want to. Which exit? To feed the parasite countries? I personally don't want to feed them. I have my own family and there is no desire to feed Tajik families. And the relationship of the aforementioned countries to Russia, like that of an old womanizer to a student, "Now I will fuck you, and then, perhaps, if my parents allow, when I collect money for a wedding, we will get married, in forty or fifty years. Then and we will live happily! " There is the USA, which, as my daughter says, is not "fooled" by the problems of blacks. And somehow no one is going to argue. And we, a great nation, are doing poorly?
  • Forest
    Forest 16 October 2013 12: 15
    +2
    Only the visa regime will save Russia.
    There was information in the media that a united Russia wanted to introduce this bill to the Duma and apparently carries it from afar.
    But you can vote with the Communists http://ni.kprf.ru/n/2/
  • Federal
    Federal 16 October 2013 12: 35
    17
    I rested at a resort like that, met the "native Muscovite" Ashot in my name and his Russian cow. He says we have a lot of such indigenous people here already, they settled with Russian cows. I visit Moscow sometimes, as I do not want to throw mud on the capital of the empire and the country that I loved and the USSR was born, but I have not seen so much mud and blacks anywhere except the states. Kiev is simply an earthly paradise in comparison with this cesspool, the stinking Paveletsky railway station, dirt and mud. Do not be offended by Moscow, no offense, but to correct it, I say, what can we do here, the truth must be cut, and not sweet ... This is your power and shitty power, why be silent
  • forester
    forester 16 October 2013 12: 42
    +4
    Quote: Povshnik
    If those in power show their weakness and migrants kiss .opu, then they already stand across the throat to the people. And if such a liberalistic policy of tolerance towards strangers suits the authorities, others will solve the problem. For hell, we need population growth due to the birth of chocks, due to their citizenship, while unemployment among the indigenous population is growing. And the criminal situation because of them is deteriorating sharply.

    The power is corrupt and the black-asses behave this way because they buy it but they are still afraid of real power, I mean the beast, I chopped up a board to one of the cutters who bought a hut in my porch and then drove illegal crews at his sawmill (this is a cable with a chain tip for linking the cart) so now it’s silk and avoids meeting with me and began to say hello to other neighbors in RUSSIAN everyone would do it and would be chock smooth they only understand the language of power And as for the response to the introduction of the visa regime, the author of the article proverges all this Asian evil spirits some vassal and bowed to the owner with a whip their woeful warriors are not combat ready
  • alebor
    alebor 16 October 2013 12: 44
    +1
    Unfortunately, no matter how tough migration policies are implemented, no one can cancel the laws of biology. Populations with a higher birth rate inevitably crowd out and replace populations with a lower birth rate, especially those with a lower birth rate. Nature does not tolerate emptiness.
    1. Forest
      Forest 16 October 2013 14: 15
      +1
      A population with a high birth rate closed within its borders will begin to destroy its weaker tribesmen.
  • DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 16 October 2013 13: 17
    10
    Politicians are driving us into a corner. It's not a matter of migrants, they are just a bloody consequence of carving out the indigenous population, raping and killing, they exterminate those who live next to them. But they are not the reason for all this bloody chaos, the reasons are sitting in fat asses in leather chairs, their offices and chop cabbage.
    It will be given to all overtly migrants, and cops (both covering arbitrariness), and those who indulge them ...
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  • EvigKrig
    EvigKrig 16 October 2013 14: 22
    +2
    The author of the article tries to say that Russia is not a self-sufficient state and she "Russia" constantly has to bend to the union states and dance to their tune. It's sad. In general, the article is about nothing.
    1. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 16 October 2013 16: 31
      -1
      Quote: EvigKrig
      But in general, the article is about nothing.

      And not only this one.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 16 October 2013 14: 59
    +4
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  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 16 October 2013 15: 26
    +1
    We need to deal with the authorities, in dwarf emirates, migrants make up more than 50% of the population, but there aren’t any migrant unrest and all that. The reason is that the migrant is a migrant, and the government is power. Some will say that the representatives of the Caucasus are mostly irritated, the northern part, which is an indigenous population, then we repeat point 2 The power should fulfill its direct responsibilities, and not speculate on nationalism and further aggravate the situation.
  • rotor
    rotor 16 October 2013 17: 02
    +5
    If cheap labor does not compete with the local population and is contracted to come-work-leave-this is one thing, but if you come, compete with the locals, donkey, breed, do not pay taxes, use free health care and education - this is called occupation.

    And what about the authorities?
    They want to abolish maternity capital.
  • voliador
    voliador 16 October 2013 18: 54
    +3
    Exactly rotor. A strict restriction of migrants is needed. An even tougher consideration of the application for citizenship (with an unconditional priority for Russians or other representatives of indigenous peoples of Russia). And for the illegal attraction of migrants to work, not just fine, but also plant for a long time.
  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 16 October 2013 18: 57
    +3
    Although I do not like Dorenko, I liked this video
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 16 October 2013 19: 16
      0
      Before the mayoral election in Moscow, he made several custom videos of pro-government videos, but it’s rather under the pressure of the cops who ran into Yakunin’s order and then corrected
  • kci
    kci 16 October 2013 19: 04
    +2
    why does everyone want to drive migrants to Siberia? It is as if here we honestly have enough of our own from the Republic of Kazakhstan, maybe it is better to send them to open the Antarctic expanses?
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 16 October 2013 19: 09
      +1
      Quote: kci
      maybe it is better to send them to explore the expanses of Antarctica?

      A good option.
  • bubla5
    bubla5 16 October 2013 19: 35
    +3
    Tuft article, every resident where he was born let him work there, otherwise migrants gradually supersede areas where the indigenous population successfully prevailed — health care, road construction, agriculture, polls and even law enforcement agencies
  • Maximus-xnumx
    Maximus-xnumx 16 October 2013 19: 56
    +1
    I agree that the national question in Russia is now extremely acute. We, the local population, are losing jobs. Visitors very often behave not quite like guests. And very much the other way around, etc., etc. We all live in Russia, we see everything ourselves.
    But let the gentlemen ask a question. And you yourself will go to carry trash and clean the shit ??? Get up at 5 in the morning to clear the sidewalks of snow by 6? Work 7 days a week. Work at the lowest paid and hardest jobs?
    I think no one wants to. We would have done something more beneficial. So migrants are needed? Objectively saying yes ...
    What gets an ILLEGAL MIGRANT upon arrival in Russia ??? What are the possibilities ???
    To be deprived of basic amenities. Yes, what amenities, living in unsanitary conditions. They bow to any cop. They are afraid of mystical nationalists. Are they afraid that in the end they might stupidly throw you money? What to do to the poor workaholic (I'm talking about people who came to work and not to sell watermelons)? Escape to your fraternity. Simply put, negotiate with your national criminal group. Those will help. How can a fellow countryman not help? They will give money to one, others will give (in short, they will help to corrupt our already corrupted authority). And you, dear work, repay debts. Make yourself comfortable in a new place. With such debts you will not soon go home.
    Bottom line: what do we have?
    1st deterioration of indigenous life
    The 2nd Lumpen proletariat in its basements, a hotbed of unsanitary conditions and terrorism.
    3rd spread of corruption
    4th slide to interethnic conflicts
    Conclusion: we unfortunately need migrants. But only legal. Those who arrive, work out their term under an employment contract and leave.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 16 October 2013 21: 48
      +4
      Quote: Maximus-22
      And you yourself will go to carry trash and clean the shit ??? Get up at 5 in the morning to clear the sidewalks of snow by 6? Work 7 days a week. Work at the lowest paid and hardest jobs?
      My dear - are you familiar with such concepts as "adequate wages", "Constitution", "labor code", "social guarantees"?

      We need not migrants, but the conformity of state policy with the current Constitution.
      1. Maximus-xnumx
        Maximus-xnumx 16 October 2013 22: 52
        -1
        We dear subscriber see each other did not understand. I explain:
        Migration (lat. Migratio, from migro - I’m moving, moving). Do we need migrants? Are needed! How many of our former compatriots in the open spaces of the former USSR are left, but has spread across Europe ??? AND ? Here ...
        I wrote about guest workers. What is translated from German worker-guest. He stayed home. Let's kick everyone out. Both foreign journalists and overseas chefs and technical experts. Yes, and housing and communal services workers. Especially now.
        I, too, do not particularly welcome the newcomers. But so far without them in any way. But migration legislation will apply, we will decide who we need and who we don’t.
        1. 225chay
          225chay 17 October 2013 09: 54
          +1
          Quote: Maximus-22
          . Do we need migrants? Are needed!

          Maybe needed
          but not asians
          At one time, Yeltsin can be said to have kicked out the Russian Germans.
          But this is not the worst people were ...
          On the contrary, it was a decent, hardworking people.
          That's who you can return
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 17 October 2013 10: 07
          0
          Quote: Maximus-22
          We dear subscriber see each other did not understand. I explain
          In essence - understood

          Both foreign journalists and overseas chefs and technical experts
          Foreign journalists work for foreign media, the rest are extremely few, and they replace those places that for a number of reasons are unable to replace Russian citizens.

          Yes, and housing and communal services workers. Especially now.
          I also don’t particularly welcome visitors. But so far without them
          The bulk of visitors replaces places that are able to replace citizens of the Russian Federation - the issue of payment
          But instead of fulfilling its functions or giving up the issue of setting the equilibrium price on the labor market to the market (as it happens in other areas), the state opens the internal labor market and dumps salaries on its own (that is, it works for anyone, but not for citizens )

          But migration legislation will apply, we will decide who we need and who we don’t.
          It will not - there is no such purpose.
  • GUSAR
    GUSAR 16 October 2013 20: 04
    +4
    Our so-called "elite" together with the country's top leadership and some journalists and "human rights activists" Vereshchat: "We will introduce a visa regime with Central Asia and the Caucasus - then we will lose them forever, they will leave us", I want to answer them - we will lose these republics , they will leave us and glory to you, Lord!
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 16 October 2013 22: 42
      -2
      Will you introduce visas with Kazakhstan too?
  • Max79
    Max79 16 October 2013 21: 33
    +3
    Alexei, a little muddied with the article. More real details and less thought. Soon we will fall into the woods, partisan against the chocks! How right is the former press minister. You listen and you are amazed ...
  • wanderer
    wanderer 16 October 2013 21: 41
    +1
    I read two articles in a row.
    Yes, it seems not in vain that a neighbor is pouring oil on a flower bed.
  • gallville
    gallville 17 October 2013 02: 23
    0
    I just do not understand one thing. Emigrants - "Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and other states participating in the" active growth "" As such, labor emigrants travel from these countries.
    But what does the respected author propose to do with the Chechens, Dagestanis, and other residents of the Caucasian republics of the Russian Federation, who for the most part are engaged in terror of the ordinary population by organizing organized crime groups and even terrorist acts based on religious convictions?
    Maybe you should start to deal with your population first? And then, as always, the neighbors are to blame.
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  • kapustinmax
    kapustinmax 17 October 2013 15: 45
    0
    Well, it should already be obvious to the blind that the occupiers are in power, because how else to explain that the indigenous population suffers from a handful of visitors and their bureaucrats covering them. And if such a liberalistic policy of tolerance towards foreigners suits the authorities, others will solve the problem. HERE EVERYTHING IS SIMPLE AND UNDERSTANDING !!!
  • sergant89
    sergant89 17 October 2013 15: 46
    0
    Quote: Ascetic
    The truth is that those who destroyed the Soviet Union two decades ago in order to take away state property and personal enrichment had no idea what national policy was. It never occurred to them that they should deal with these issues. They do not deal with this for the same reason. For them, the main thing is a liberal market that will regulate everything. Here traders everything and regulate how they are profitable, because the power of capital protects capital. There are recipes for treating the disease, but they simply can’t use their power. To do this, you need to remove the snout from the state feeder and engage in national politics seriously. And in order to deal with it, you need to change the liberal economic model to a state-monopoly one, as in Belarus, for example, or in the United States so beloved by our liberals. Try to shout any religious or nationalist slogans in a public place, or block the road to a Muslim holiday for prayers, as is done in Moscow, will be raked under white hands, be sure and fined so that no Allah will help. And if a black white knife peeing, pity on an electric chair with no options. We have a burnt abrek prancing near the Kremlin on Laborghini and shooting in the street in wedding tuples, and like water off a duck, they scammed without a word a frightened lady who knocked down a fence near Bely ohms, and with ehavshuyu rebenkom.Da cruel, but in fact it hurts pravilno.Chto shoot the same abrek when attempting an attack on the Kremlin? All would only applaud the EU, but other than liberal pgavozaschitnichkov. They imposed freedom and democracy through their agents of influence, and they themselves took from the experience of the USSR where the friendship of peoples drove into our heads without any sentiments and reservations and they began to drive into the head the idea of ​​a united American nation and its greatness, where all Americans really rule the country Anglo-Saxons descendants of immigrants and Jewish clans of financial oligarchs. But the main people then believe in the unity of the nation and the society of equal opportunities and the greatness of America. Whether it is good or bad is another question. The main thing is the work of the state, not its powerlessness and letting the problem go by itself. Recall the same USSR. All religious discrepancies moved immediately and without options - the state was secular with a bias towards atheism. You can believe it, but only in places specially designated for this. For the cries of “Allahu akbar!” Or “Hari Krishna!” Excessively exalted citizens immediately received the appropriate authorities. For your confidence in the greatness of Allah should not become a cause of tension in the country. And then their path at best ends in special type psychiatric hospitals. Those who did not like it did not stand on ceremony for a second. Then, in the era of perestroika, such people were recorded as “prisoners of conscience” and “victims of a totalitarian regime”.

    A huge Plus to you !!!, right from the tongue removed with Respect.
  • Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 17 October 2013 15: 53
    0
    Quote: Warrawar
    Although I do not like Dorenko, I liked this video


    What the hell are you adding! A real reflection of our bastard selling reality!

    But visas are needed!

    The State Duma’s relevant committee believes that it is absolutely impossible to introduce a visa regime with the CIS countries.
    “Even in a bad dream, the introduction of visas on the territory of the Customs Union cannot be dreamed of, no matter what happens between our countries,” said Leonid Slutsky, head of the Duma committee on CIS affairs.
    According to him, we may have different approaches to some issues, but "we are one people."

    Everyone has arrived, WE ARE ONE PEOPLE! This is with the Tajiks, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Ayzerbajans, so what? What a nonsense! I respect and all the more I do not hate the worthy representatives of these peoples, those who do not commit crimes and who do not feel hatred for us. Among them there are a lot of good, kind, friendly and hardworking people who could be allowed to work in Russia on work visas depending on their needs, without prejudice to the domestic labor market! And there is enough other dishonesty! How can general visa filtering of labor migrations affect the functioning of the customs union? On the shadowy income of corrupt officials and unscrupulous businessmen, yes it can! The transparency of our borders is beneficial only to them, but not to the interests of Russia and its citizens!
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