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Ukraine's European Integration - Ricochet in Crimea

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Ukraine's European Integration - Ricochet in CrimeaExpected at the end of November this year. Kiev’s signing of the Association and Free Trade Area Agreement with the European Union will have the most serious social and economic consequences for Ukraine. However, this is not the end. European integration can turn into a threat to the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Kiev suffered the first territorial loss, and the blow was struck from the west: according to the decision of the International Court of Justice, Romania chopped off the shelf off Snake Island from Ukraine in 2009.


It is unlikely that this will be the last loss of the Ukrainian state on the way to a European future. As Kiev’s movement towards European integration accelerates, Ankara’s voice, louder and louder to get its piece of Ukrainian pie, the Crimea, is becoming louder.

At the recent meeting of the Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and the head of the Crimean Tatar Majlis M. Jemilev, the results of the visit of the President of Ukraine V. Yanukovich to Turkey and, in particular, how the Crimean Tatar issue was touched upon were discussed. And not to affect him Ankara could not. From the Turkish side there was a proposal to hold a four-sided meeting (the foreign ministers of Ukraine and Turkey + representatives of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea + the head of the Majlis M. Dzhemilev), which the Ukrainian president could not refuse. The event is scheduled to be held in January 2014, when Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu arrives in Kiev for a meeting of the foreign ministers of OSCE member countries. Turkey expresses a desire to create a free trade zone with Ukraine, and this argument, along with Ankara’s ability to light or extinguish a wick in time, which leads to the Crimean Tatar “mine”, makes Kiev compliant.

M. Dzhemilev reported to R. Erdogan on the results of the meeting of the Mejlis members with EU Commissioner Stefan Fule and on assessments of the state of the Crimean Tatar issue by UN and OSCE expert groups. The meaning of these estimates is as follows: Ukraine has embarked on a path of correction historical injustice against the Crimean Tatars, but you need to go even more towards the requirements of the Majlis. The fact that there is no end to these requirements does not bother European officials. The larger the number of Ukrainian regions will be independent from Kiev, the better the European Union: you can negotiate with any of them through the head of Kiev. High-ranking European politicians have repeatedly emphasized that the future of Ukrainian-European relations depends not only on the adoption of EU technical regulations and observance of the rights of the LGBT community, but also on the solution of the Crimean Tatar issue in accordance with the wishes of Brussels. The Crimean Tatars in Ukraine are already in a privileged position, but Brussels, the Mejlis and Ankara unanimously demand even more concessions from Kiev.

As R. Erdogan announced, Ankara welcomes Ukraine’s European integration plans. The calculation is simple: it will be easier to strengthen Turkish influence in the Crimea in a “European” Ukraine than in a “Eurasian” Ukraine. Advisor to the Prime Minister of Turkey, Yigit Bulut, said that the European Union is entering a phase of disintegration and that the Turks should return to their political traditions, rather than trampling at European doors. The scale of the “political traditions” that Y. Bulut means is impressive: Turkey must regain the “natural leadership” in the Middle East, North Africa and Central Asia. The Crimea is also in the focus of Turkish foreign policy doctrine ...

For quite some time now, something new has appeared in the political mosaic of the Crimea: the human rights rhetoric of Muslim activists, moreover, female. The newly formed human rights organization, the League of Muslims Insaf, signals discrimination in the Crimea of ​​Muslim women on religious grounds (a ban on pasting photographs of applicants dressed in Muslim headscarves into documents, etc.). Activists of Insaf urge the authorities to take into account the opinions of Ukrainian Muslim women and add: if you are forced to take off your headscarf before entering an educational institution, there will be no dialogues and compromises!

Such human rights activities are more like dictates, and this map will also be used by both Brussels and Ankara. October 5 was to host the All-Crimean Islamic Women's Conference in Simferopol, but because of the message about the explosives found in the building, the event turned out to be frustrated. Insaf asserts that there are secret attempts to hinder their activities.

A similar statement was made from the mouth of the Crimean cell Hizb ut-Tahrir, which also failed to hold the conference scheduled for October 7 in the building of the Crimean Ukrainian Theater, because the landlord unexpectedly tore up the tenancy agreement. Tahrir people do not exclude the possibility of going to court on this issue, emphasizing that their organization is peaceful and adheres to all the procedural rules of Ukrainian legislation. It remains only to find out how the observance by Tahrir of the norms of the law in other states (Russia, Germany, the republics of Central Asia) led to the fact that the activities of Hizb-ut-Tahrir were banned as terrorist in these countries.

It is difficult to imagine that Turkey would allow, for example, Ukraine to determine ways to solve the ethnic problems of Turkish society, which, I must say, are many (a long history of oppression of Armenians, recording of all Turkish citizens in documents by Turks, without attention to their real ethnicity, etc. ) It is also difficult to imagine that the European Union would allow Kiev to influence ethnic processes in Europe, to bring up for discussion the problem of the gradual disappearance of Serbluzhians in Germany or the divided people of the Frisians in the Netherlands and Germany. But the Crimean Tatar segment on the Crimean peninsula has already been removed from the cultural and ideological control of Kiev. Today, Brussels and Ankara are competing for influence on the Crimean Tatars and through them throughout the Crimea. This rivalry does not prevent Turkish and European officials unanimously calling on Ukraine to "go to Europe." The strong always dictate the conditions to the weak, such is the law of politics. And they push the weak to where he will become even weaker.
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  1. Max otto
    Max otto 16 October 2013 18: 15
    43
    This is some kind of shame. I don’t remember who said it. I understand that one must be tolerant, but not to the same extent.
    1. MG42
      MG42 16 October 2013 18: 25
      57
      Quote: Max Otto
      It's a shame

      Of course, there was a calculation with the Crimean Tatars that they would weaken Russia's influence in the Crimea, but the Islamization of the Crimea would lead even Turkey to pull its tentacles there through the Black Sea, the Crimean cell “Hizb-ut-Tahrir” = this is a real shame and weakness of the Ukrainian the authorities, and the Romanians chopped off the shelf near Zmeinoy because they do so with weak neighbors, non-alignedness and neutrality hit Ukraine, this is not Switzerland with its neutrality, backed up by dough from around the world ..
      1. domokl
        domokl 16 October 2013 22: 00
        24
        Quote: MG42
        here is the real shame and weakness of the Ukrainian government

        When Ukraine made the decision on European integration, the President and the Rada were well aware that the problem of the Russian-Turkish treaty would certainly emerge. Not immediately, in a few years, but it did. Legally, Ukraine had no rights to Crimea. The agreement was signed with Russia.
        So the support of the Crimean Tatars is only the first touchstone .. Flowers so to speak. Berries will be much nastier
        1. old man54
          old man54 17 October 2013 02: 56
          -14 qualifying.
          Quote: domokl
          When Ukraine made the decision on European integration, the President and the Rada were well aware that the problem of the Russian-Turkish treaty would certainly emerge.

          Quote: domokl
          Legally, Ukraine has no rights to Crimea. The agreement was signed with Russia.

          Well, if you have such a shaky lawyer, then, well, let's clarify, okay! Which Russia this contract with Ottoman Empire consisted, and ?? If you don’t know, then I’ll tell you Russian Empire, Tsarist still! BUT the USSR (well, including the RSFSR) is successor of the Tsarist Russian Empire, but? wink I think that do not answer, I will help - IS NOT! Lenin still decided so. Then why rant about it all? But today's Russia, of the 1991 model of the year, is the legal successor of the USSR. So, here the hell knows how, if by international law then! request
          1. domokl
            domokl 17 October 2013 06: 29
            15
            Quote: old man54
            ! And the USSR (well, including the RSFSR) is the legal successor of the Tsarist Russian Empire,

            I apologize, but you don’t know the history of diplomacy. In order not to rasssolit a lot, I’ll answer, the contract remains valid at the present time. And as for the legal succession, remember the question of paying tsar’s debts, which under EBEn Russia had to pay in the 90 years of the past century.
            1. v.lyamkin
              v.lyamkin 17 October 2013 07: 31
              17
              Yes, and not only royal, but also Soviet. Something Ukraine did not resent when Russia took upon itself the payment of all Soviet debts. Although Ukraine was supposed to make a claim to the Russian Federation: why are you alone, we also take part of the debt.
              1. xan
                xan 17 October 2013 14: 31
                +2
                Quote: v.lyamkin
                Although Ukraine was supposed to make a claim to the Russian Federation: why are you alone, we also take part of the debt.

                If this happened - despite all the nuances, subconsciously, I would like to live with them in one state.
            2. Jurkovs
              Jurkovs 17 October 2013 17: 08
              +1
              So paying royal debts is completely illegal. Kozyrev was obliged to bring the foundation to this question, but instead washed off. So for today: there is no succession of modern Russia to the USSR and the Russian Empire, and money has been paid.
              Legitimist Online Journal of May 25, 1913. http://legitimist.ru/
              In general, a lot of literature on this topic.
          2. v.lyamkin
            v.lyamkin 17 October 2013 07: 28
            +6
            Why are you so disheveled? It would be better to be worried about real threats to Crimea, including from the EU and Turkey, than mythical from Russia. Personally, it seems to me that Russia can fit into this matter only if there is a real threat of Ukraine losing Crimea.
            1. Simon
              Simon 17 October 2013 15: 00
              +1
              Yes! Little by little, Ukraine’s collapse is underway, and most importantly, not from Russia, but from the EU and the Turks. My opinion is that Ukraine needs to quickly enter into an alliance with Russia, otherwise Ukraine will decrease to such a size that you will have to look at it on the map of the World through a magnifying glass. The only lifesaver for Ukraine is the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol. While the fleet is standing, the Turks will not poke in Crimea, and Europe will only engage in talking more talkatively. Ukraine needs to be closer to Russia, and not turn its back on us.
          3. Poppy
            Poppy 17 October 2013 11: 29
            +1
            is of course and pays debts
            learn materiel better
          4. Jurkovs
            Jurkovs 17 October 2013 16: 56
            0
            Russia is still not the successor of Tsarist Russia, look on the Internet, there are entire public organizations to make Russia the right to succeed, but nothing works. Yeltsin and Kozyrev put so many traps on this issue that you can’t figure it out without a pint.
          5. nnz226
            nnz226 17 October 2013 21: 46
            0
            However, Turkey is appealing to a treaty under which Crimea may belong to either it or Russia. In the 18 century, Russia was and was Turkey, which also at the time of Ataturk rejected the Ottoman past, but somehow there was no territory called Ukraine, but the contract remained.
        2. MG42
          MG42 17 October 2013 16: 41
          +2
          Quote: domokl
          When Ukraine made the decision on European integration, the President and Parliament were well aware

          Alexander, can I ask a question not on the topic, but on the comment?
          Why is the word "Ukraine" with a small letter, and "Rada" with a capital, because in the Rada there are much more corrupt and cynical scoundrels than in all of Ukraine, and on our forums they also write "Verkhovna Zrada" = zrada = this is a betrayal in Russian , treason .. in general, according to the rules, there is also a <President> with a big one in all official sites, but Yanukovych certainly deserves to say so ..

          On the other hand, the moderator must play by the rules and write the name of the country with a big one, even if the country does not like it, because not all "Bandera" members have settled there, but there are also normal adequate citizens .. hi

          In general, on the site, some members of the forum have a strange "disease" to write names in the profile with a small letter, this is just a lyrical digression ..
      2. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 17 October 2013 05: 27
        16
        The trouble is that Ukraine is led by traitors of the Ukrainian and Russian peoples, representatives of the comprador bourgeoisie.
        Yanukovych and Azarov "share the same berry" with Gorbachev. It is necessary to proceed from this in order to correct the situation. If they are not removed, the position of Ukraine will become catastrophic, and in fact disastrous, since the STATE IS RULED BY ENEMIES OF UKRAINE.
      3. Ustas
        Ustas 17 October 2013 14: 16
        +4
        Quote: MG42
        Islamization of Crimea will lead to the fact that even Turkey is pulling its tentacles there through the Black Sea, the Crimean cell “Hizb-ut-Tahrir” = this is a real disgrace and weakness of the Ukrainian government, and the Romanians chopped off the shelf near Zmeinoy because with weak neighbors and act, non-alignedness and neutrality hit Ukraine,

        Well, it’s time to remember Bogdan Khmelnitsky, and already decide who Nenko Ukraine will prosper (as it was hundreds of years) or with whom / whom to clean the latrine.
    2. Civil
      Civil 16 October 2013 18: 39
      30
      Ukraine will give Crimea at least a little bald, but not Russia. A purely enemy train of thought. If we were friends, so that a stronger neighbor would not take it away, I would make Crimea joint.
      1. netishunUA
        netishunUA 16 October 2013 18: 51
        -80 qualifying.
        Ukraine will not give Crimea to anyone.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 16 October 2013 18: 58
          78
          Quote: netishunUA
          Ukraine will not give Crimea to anyone.


          I'm afraid that in this matter no one will consider her opinion necessary even to inquire
          1. v.lyamkin
            v.lyamkin 17 October 2013 07: 33
            +9
            Well why. They will ask a type of this: When are you planning to give? Call term please. We will be grateful if you do not delay the solution of this issue, etc.
          2. xan
            xan 17 October 2013 14: 33
            0
            Quote: Hudo
            Quote: netishunUA
            Ukraine will not give Crimea to anyone.


            I'm afraid that in this matter no one will consider her opinion necessary even to inquire


            Brotherhood! Not in garlic for wretched pros to earn!
        2. _Siberian_
          _Siberian_ 16 October 2013 19: 10
          21
          Well, yes, well, yes, "we'll have a look" ...

          PS: but in general, my heart is bleeding, watching the corpse-eaters feast on "Square", oh comrade Stalin would be here ...
          1. true love
            true love 16 October 2013 21: 34
            +3
            And in his (Stalin's) retinue, Comrade. Khrushchev. You look - again, after a short period of time, Russia will "transfer" something to the friendly Republic.
            1. maxon106
              maxon106 17 October 2013 08: 30
              +2
              There is no Stalin on them, but as if Beria would have dispersed, the work of the sea
        3. old rocket man
          old rocket man 16 October 2013 19: 15
          38
          Quote: netishunUA
          Ukraine will not give Crimea to anyone.


          Laughing out loud.
          So who will ask her?
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 16 October 2013 21: 18
            24
            Quote: Old Rocketman
            Laughing out loud.
            So who will ask her?


            Why they ask. What is the best way to have you while standing or lying down?
            1. Yugra
              Yugra 16 October 2013 21: 23
              29
              Even as the Turks will be taken away. By slowly spreading and importing their own Turks. But we will not give up Sevastopol. I’ll go there to fight if I have to ...
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          2. peter_shchurov
            peter_shchurov 17 October 2013 00: 51
            -29 qualifying.
            Quote: Old Rocketman
            So who will ask her?

            As well as the Russian Federation, when the PRC Far East gets climb.
            You would think about yourself better, "brothers" are Russians.
            1. domokl
              domokl 17 October 2013 06: 36
              11
              Quote: peter_shchurov

              As well as the Russian Federation, when the PRC Far East gets climb.

              laughing Purely in the Potsansky style bazaar ... Far East and Siberia are Russian territory and legally do not belong to China. And, therefore, China can be taken away only by a military conflict.
              So, my dear, if you want to argue, you should turn on the thought. And do not confuse the fresh with the hot fellow
            2. In the book
              In the book 17 October 2013 11: 59
              0
              What are you all minus for the previous comment. How to speak about Ukraine like: "So who will ask her?" This is a heroic "plus", but as they wrote to you: "Just like the Russian Federation, when the PRC, the Far East will climb to take it." so you immediately minus ... Shit your neighbor, is that in your honor?
            3. Ustas
              Ustas 17 October 2013 14: 26
              +1
              Quote: peter_shchurov
              As well as the Russian Federation, when the PRC Far East gets climb.

              Where does this vast knowledge of the PRC come from? Have you read librarian literature?
              The Chinese will not climb into Siberia, either legally or militarily, it is cold there. And the Chinese do not have such conversations either at the household or at the state level. Do not believe?
              Go to China, talk, see.
              1. peter_shchurov
                peter_shchurov 17 October 2013 18: 36
                0
                Quote: Ustas
                The Chinese will not climb into Siberia, either legally or militarily, it is cold there.

                Where is it cold? In Primorye?
                For me it’s so completely nothing.
                I'm not talking about Oymyakon.

                Think about the Kuril Islands \ Japan, illegal migrants, drug / alcohol consumption by citizens of the Russian Federation, all that jazz. And then take on other people's problems.
                You remind me of something of my alkonaut's former neighbor — it was funny when he, being drunk in umat, was broadcasting about the dangers of drinking — seriously, it was an enchanting sight.
                At the same time, he believed that "I do not drink"

                I hope the analogy is drawn correctly.
                1. Ustas
                  Ustas 18 October 2013 09: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: peter_shchurov
                  Think about the Kuril Islands \ Japan

                  And where does China?
                  Quote: peter_shchurov
                  the use of drugs \ alcohol by citizens of the Russian Federation, all that jazz.

                  And here is China sideways?
                  Quote: peter_shchurov
                  And then take on other people's problems.

                  But somehow I’m not trying to solve other people's problems.
                  And for you, as a specialist in "other people's problems", a little advice, do not repeat the propaganda mantras about China, otherwise you start to resemble Kozodoev (Diamond Arm): "Chef, everything is lost! The plaster cast is being removed!"
          3. xan
            xan 17 October 2013 14: 46
            0
            Quote: Old Rocketman
            Laughing out loud.
            So who will ask her?

            Recently I finished reading a documentary epic about the Medici family.
            The last great duke of Medici was still alive, but old, and without heirs. He decided to appoint to himself the heirs of one of the noble families of the Tuscany he ruled. But the kings of Spain, France and the emperor of Austria sent him a young Spanish prince as a protege. The Medici resigned - as he was not rich, but you can’t trample against strength. The only thing he did for the Florentines was that before his death he bought everything that any Florentine would want to sell.
            So it is with Ukraine. Serious Ukrainian issues will be resolved beyond its borders. And Russia has the most chances here - Ukraine is not Syria, it is next to it.
        4. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 16 October 2013 19: 18
          13
          Quote: netishunUA
          Ukraine will not give Crimea to anyone.

          Roma, this is you here on the forum, listen, read. In the matter of solving Crimean problems, no one will be interested in your opinion. Everything will be decided without you.
          For fun, check out http://s0tnik.livejournal.com/183869.html
          1. VasiliyK651
            VasiliyK651 16 October 2013 20: 42
            +2
            I read (for the sake of sports interest))). In addition to references to quotes by L. Grach and V. Zhirinovsky - apparently the authors of another horror story. There are no serious arguments in the article ...
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 16 October 2013 20: 49
              14
              - Fighters in the mountains of Crimea are not rummaged?
              - SBU does not catch them, for it is not ordered.
              - Jihadists openly arrange their gatherings
              Enough for you?
              P.S. admit, have already drunk a lot today?
            2. Walker1975
              Walker1975 16 October 2013 23: 37
              -7
              Apples and uncle in Kiev.
              Someone explain to me how side a trade agreement with the EU brings the transfer of Crimea to Turkey, which is not even an EU member,?
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 17 October 2013 09: 33
                +4
                Quote: Walker1975
                what side is the trade agreement with the EU ...
                ... linked to Tymoshenko’s release? However, they bogged down very tightly. And the logic is VERY simple - a strong and rich EU state is not needed for nothing. We need a territory with resources that can be plundered, correcting its economies that were shaken with the crisis. Therefore, the EU will take ANY opportunity to do EVERYTHING that can only harm this state. What, Tymoshenko is SO important to Europe, that without it integration is impossible? Not at all, but she is an implacable enemy of the ruling regime, and for the sake of personal gain she is able to sell THAT ANYTHING in ANY hands. Yes, and still enjoys the support of part of the electorate. In addition - the most dumb part of the electorate, which is the easiest to manage, just beckon with bright prospects
        5. serioga
          serioga 16 October 2013 19: 36
          16
          Yes, fuck you guessed gentlemen! Anusovich has already sold us all for a long time and the land too, and he will not only give Crimea to Bessarabia and Bukovina. This genetic ur-o-d rescues his stolen money along with asarov and other hangers-on. It’s time to do something to the people of Ukraine until they become an old Ukrainian district.
        6. bif
          bif 16 October 2013 19: 45
          +6
          Quote: netishunUA
          Ukraine will not give Crimea to anyone

          Judging by what is happening, I DO NOT EVEN ASK HER.
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          1. morpex
            morpex 16 October 2013 20: 12
            -4
            Quote: MIC58
            Crimea under an agreement between the Russian Empire and the Ottoman Empire.

            Khe-khe. Pardon .. Do such countries exist? Someone has brought you not there ...
            Quote: MIC58
            (I bring to the attention of the unreasonable ХОХ .... oh sorry excruciating vikraintsiv ... ((((())))))) ..

            Tovarisch very sensible Russ. Maybe something like without ascension?
            The rest of the insulting nonsense of the Great Russia does not even want to answer.
            No comment ... fool
            1. Gromily4
              Gromily4 16 October 2013 20: 21
              +3
              ............. or pretending, maybe there are no such countries, but there are successors.
              Russian Empire-Soviet Union-Russian Federation.
              Ottoman Empire-Turkish Republic.
              So there are none, but there are these, and the treaties are still legitimate and no one has canceled them.
              So, if it comes to the fact that there will be a cancellation of the "Big Treaty" then we will take Crimea and whatnot. And if we do not take it away, then Turkey has the right to squeeze Crimea from Ukraine.
              1. morpex
                morpex 16 October 2013 20: 36
                0
                Quote: Gromily4
                or pretend, maybe there are no such countries, but there are successors to it. The Russian Empire-Soviet Union-Russian Federation.

                Have you ever been interested in a little dear history? Do you know about Lenin’s decrees? On the annulment of all royal debts, treaties, etc. , you know? Stop talking nonsense .. Already somehow it’s not even funny ..
                1. kenig1
                  kenig1 17 October 2013 12: 19
                  0
                  You need to come to your senses, what does Lenin have to do with it, he issued a decree, and EBEN canceled it and seemed to have fully paid off debts restructured.
                2. Simon
                  Simon 17 October 2013 15: 39
                  0
                  Lenin annulled all the royal debts, so why did we pay the royal debts to the French? So the legal rights of today's Russia are also restored.
              2. Walker1975
                Walker1975 16 October 2013 23: 44
                -4
                Oh, how interesting. Successors. And under a 17th century treaty, half the world belonged to Portugal, and half the world belonged to Spain.
                And there is also an agreement between the USSR and the Reich, an agreement after the First World War, after the Second World War ... Or vice versa, let's dig deep into - Why not raise the Byzantine treaty as a neighbor - in general, another map of Europe will work.
                Do you not know any later treaties than the Russian Empire - the Ottoman Empire, which strengthens modern borders?
                1. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 17 October 2013 09: 38
                  +4
                  Quote: Walker1975
                  under a 17th century treaty, half the world belonged to Portugal, and half the world belonged to Spain.
                  And if these countries had retained even a shadow of their former power, now these treaties would have been respected, would not have disappeared. Claims are NOTHING if there is nothing to back them up. Turkey now has what. So get ready. Moreover, there is nothing to answer now request
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 17 October 2013 10: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: Misantrop
                    And if these countries had retained even a shadow of their former power, now these treaties would have been respected, would not have disappeared.

                    They made fun.
                2. Simon
                  Simon 17 October 2013 15: 47
                  +1
                  Byzantium, as a state, has long been gone. By the way, Ukraine was not there either. Thanks to the three drunks that you have your own state.
              3. old man54
                old man54 17 October 2013 03: 02
                -2
                Quote: Gromily4
                successors are.
                Russian Empire-Soviet Union-

                here for such ignorance of history you minus from me! negative
            2. Simon
              Simon 17 October 2013 15: 31
              0
              Yes, and Ukraine as a country did not exist. Thanks to the Bolsheviks for their birth, it means that there were no agreements with the Turks either. And modern Russia is the legal successor to Tsarist Russia and the USSR, which means we have all legal rights to Crimea.
        8. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 16 October 2013 19: 59
          15
          Say thank you to Khrushchev for giving you Crimea in due time ... It seems to me that soon all and sundry will "have" Ukraine ... :)
          1. morpex
            morpex 16 October 2013 20: 43
            -2
            Quote: Rurikovich
            Say thanks to Khrushchev that in due time he gave you Crimea

            Yours .....! As much as you can about the same thing .. Well, at least take an interest before writing why Crimea actually moved to the Ukrainian SSR! And by the way, in the act on the transfer of Crimea the name Khrushchev and his signature are missing. There are Voroshilov and others, but there is no Khrushchev ... I am not Khrushchev’s lawyer, moreover, he as a person disgusts me, but the fact is a fact ...
            1. stranik72
              stranik72 16 October 2013 21: 53
              13
              As for Khrushchev, you are wrong. On February 19, 1954, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR made a decision. And the transfer of Crimea took place not just on the basis of a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR, embodied in protocol No. 41, but on the basis of a resolution of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR (protocol No. 35) of February 19, and the signature of the Khrushchev is already here
              1. morpex
                morpex 16 October 2013 22: 27
                +6
                Quote: stranik72
                About Khrushchev, you're wrong

                The issuance of the decree is often called the personal initiative of N. S. Khrushchev closely associated with Ukraine, but this opinion is erroneous .. The Crimean region was transferred to Ukraine with the following wording: “Given the common economy, territorial proximity and close economic and cultural ties between the Crimean region and the Ukrainian SSR ". On January 25 of 1954 at a meeting of the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee, a draft Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR was approved. Already on February 19 1954, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR issued a Decree "On the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR." At the same time, the expression of the will of the Crimean population was not taken into account, since no referenda were held. As part of the Ukrainian SSR, the Crimean region was in 1954 — 1991. The political reasons for the transfer of Crimea to the end are unclear. On the one hand, it is argued that the authorities would like to present a gift to the Ukrainian SSR in honor of the celebration of the 300 anniversary of the Pereyaslav Rada 1654 (Unification of Russia and Ukraine) and thus accelerate the process of Russification of Ukraine. However, the demographic data of subsequent censuses are rather contradictory in this regard.
                And do not blame anyone from that guide! There was one country. One people. Did someone then think that the Gorbachev degenerate would come to power and everything would go to hell ...
                1. shpuntik
                  shpuntik 16 October 2013 23: 21
                  +4
                  morpex (1) SU Today, 22:27 PM ↑ New
                  And do not blame anyone from that guide! There was one country. One people. Did someone then think that the Gorbachev degenerate would come to power and everything would go to hell ...

                  Of the simple ones, no one thought. Now I come to the conclusion that after the death of Stalin there was a course towards the collapse of the Union. Economic contradictions were laid, time bombs, plus assistance to developing countries. Do you think Gorbachev accidentally became Secretary General?
                  Take a look at the video of Kurginyan about Andropov, he talks frivolously about the matrix, he’s afraid that they wouldn’t pull him up for the trunk, but in fact you can make a picture.

                  1. morpex
                    morpex 16 October 2013 23: 31
                    11
                    Quote: shpuntik
                    Do you think Gorbachev accidentally became Secretary General?

                    I don’t think, but I’m just sure that Gorbachev is the "mole" of the CIA. And they led him for a long time and competently ...
                    1. shpuntik
                      shpuntik 17 October 2013 00: 38
                      +2
                      morpex (1) SU Yesterday, 23:31 PM ↑ New
                      I don’t think, but I’m just sure that Gorbachev is the "mole" of the CIA. And they led him for a long time and competently ...

                      I'm glad that we understood each other ... yes
                2. LENINGRADE
                  LENINGRADE 17 October 2013 02: 09
                  +3
                  "Russification of Ukraine" -in fact oil oil !!!
                3. stranik72
                  stranik72 17 October 2013 08: 49
                  +4
                  The fact that it was his INITIATIVE is a fact that cannot be doubted, but the crimes of the EBN in this matter are obvious, in 1989 the RSFSR Armed Forces canceled the resolution of the RSFSR Supreme Council of 1954 and had to send a submission to the USSR Armed Forces to cancel the USSR Armed Forces resolution and personally the EBN obscured this moment, with the help of his advisers, they say that the main opponents of signing this appeal were liberals like Burbulis living in Russia, and in 1992 they say Kuchma offered to return Crimea for some concessions, they made concessions, and EBN refused to take Crimea, But this, again, is still being said from the series, although I think that there are papers on this score and they will appear at the "right" moment. Conclusion Crimea belongs to Ukraine, legally, and it is up to them to decide what will happen to it next.
                4. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 17 October 2013 09: 42
                  +2
                  Quote: morpex
                  At the same time, the expression of the will of the Crimean population was not taken into account, as referenda were not held. The Crimean region was part of the Ukrainian SSR in 1954-1991.

                  Not only this, the transmission by the population of Crimea was NEVER supported, either at the time of the transfer, or later
          2. Simon
            Simon 17 October 2013 15: 51
            0
            Already going to this. recourse
        9. Committee
          Committee 16 October 2013 20: 14
          +4
          In fact - already gave.
        10. ekzorsist
          ekzorsist 16 October 2013 20: 22
          +3
          Already sold ... to Americans, Turkestans, and yes and so on ...... am.
        11. APASUS
          APASUS 16 October 2013 21: 23
          +9
          Quote: netishunUA
          Ukraine will not give Crimea to anyone.

          Look who will be going carefully
          One side of the Foreign Minister of Ukraine
          The second side of the Turkish Foreign Minister, + representatives of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea + the head of the Mejlis M. Dzhemilev
          Do you really think that Ukraine at this meeting will be able to at least something to oppose the desire of Turkey? Flirting with the Turks will lead the country to collapse
          1. Kars
            Kars 16 October 2013 21: 30
            +4
            Quote: APASUS
            Do you really think that Ukraine at this meeting will be able to at least something to oppose the desire of Turkey?

            I'm wildly sorry, but is there an election? Or something decided by the vote? What are you talking about 3 at 1?))
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 17 October 2013 19: 16
              0
              Quote: Kars
              I'm wildly sorry, but is there an election? Or something decided by the vote? What are you talking about 3 at 1?))

              Do you sometimes joke like ............. child
              No matter what is discussed at this meeting, and what declaration following the meeting was not adopted - Ukraine is there alone!
              And there you can consider any questions. Starting from obtaining the second Turkish citizenship by the Crimean Tatars and ending with the recognition of Ukraine as the occupier of Crimea.
              Even if this declaration is of a recommendatory nature, Ukraine has nothing to answer Turkey with its political, economic or geopolitical claims.
              That's the problem!
        12. domokl
          domokl 16 October 2013 22: 02
          +7
          Quote: netishunUA
          Ukraine will not give Crimea to anyone.

          Just as she did not give up the snake shelf ... A weak state always pays for its territory, human resources and mineral resources ...
          Your desire is understandable, but objective data indicate exactly the opposite ...
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 17 October 2013 03: 20
            +3
            Quote: domokl
            Just as she did not give up the snake shelf ... A weak state always pays for its territory, human resources and mineral resources ...

            In your opinion about the Serpent, there is as much truth as in the treaty between the Russian Empire and the Ottomans. That is, there is a cheto, but not at all. In fact, Ukraine with ... th wanted on the priteniya of the Romanians, until one "genius" Lyudin, President Yushchenko, decided that Ukraine would win through the international court. He could simply not react ... and nothing would have happened (like you have with the Kuriles, even more abruptly), he could have done business normally (but the shelf was simply presented, they did not even fight for it). But you don't have to write your stories that they gave the shelf, like they took it without asking, it was simply presented by a certain pest, that's all!
            1. domokl
              domokl 17 October 2013 06: 46
              +1
              Quote: Corneli
              Just don’t need to write your own stories that they gave the shelf to the type they took it without asking, it was just presented by a certain pest, that's all!

              AAAA ... So it turns out that the president of Ukraine, as a person who is not distinguished by rednecking, presented the shelf of Romania from the breadth of his soul. Thank you for enlightening us. laughing
              Do you yourself understand what you wrote? Read why and by what decision, and most importantly, who decided it happened ...
        13. netishunUA
          netishunUA 16 October 2013 22: 09
          -5
          More cons guys. Under the weight of mathematical signs, Crimea will move to the Russian Federation.
          What swings the Russian blood shed for the Crimea is uncontested, but you dear ones forget how much Ukrainian blood was shed for the Russian Empire, then for the USSR, for sure, there will be enough for a couple of Crimea. Further on the "Bandera" people read my posts, in my opinion, all were not for brotherhood? in general, I'm tired of reading new provocations in the direction of Ukraine every day, the review has turned into a dirty political dump. How much shit is poured out on my country per day, it's disgusting gentlemen. For sim I bow out from this resource. Good luck.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 16 October 2013 22: 41
            17
            Quote: netishunUA
            How much crap pours out on my country per day, disgusting gentlemen.
            On the country or on the vile actions with the giblets of the rulers sold? Which sold including those who:
            Quote: netishunUA
            you dear forget how much Ukrainian blood was spilled for the Russian Empire, then for the USSR
            We just did not forget, but the Ukrainian authorities did not give a damn about the graves of those who shed this blood for a common country ...
            Why do you identify yourself not with those millions of Ukrainians who worked for the good of a common country and now live all over Russia (and in Ukraine as well), but exclusively with this imperious filth? Or are all those millions of compatriots no longer Ukrainians at all, but the real ones live exclusively in Canada and the USA? What size should that "basket of cookies" be in order to tear off a piece from the country alive and run with it to the "rich European threshold"?
            1. Walker1975
              Walker1975 16 October 2013 23: 49
              -2
              And here is the President of Russia, Mr. V.V. Putin once said live that Russia would have won the war without Ukraine. So who then spat on the graves of those who shed blood for a common country?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 17 October 2013 05: 23
                10
                Quote: Walker1975
                So who then spat on the graves of those who shed blood for a common country?

                Anyone who conducts UNA UNSO marches and change into SS uniform screams for independence.
                Now, looking at the picture, who spits on the graves of the dead?
                1. In the book
                  In the book 17 October 2013 12: 09
                  -4
                  Well, and I will answer you with a picture on a picture:
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 17 October 2013 12: 15
                    +7
                    Quote: Libr
                    Well, and I will answer you with a picture on a picture:

                    But figs dear to you! We had them, are and will be traitors, and you have heroes, so your picture is past.
                    1. Simon
                      Simon 17 October 2013 15: 59
                      +1
                      Yeah! They have all of western Ukraine - fascist.
              2. Misantrop
                Misantrop 17 October 2013 09: 48
                0
                Quote: Walker1975
                And here is the President of Russia, Mr. V.V. Putin once said live that Russia would have won the war without Ukraine.
                Not only that. If that war had happened under the current political situation, Ukraine would have got involved in the war, most likely, on the side of Germany. Doubt it?
                1. In the book
                  In the book 17 October 2013 12: 12
                  -2
                  I will not be responsible for the whole of Ukraine, I will answer for myself.
                  I would be against those who attacked my country, and the Germans are this or any other nation I do not care. Just as it was all the same to this people who attacked my country under any pretext, whether it was coercion to civilization, or to peace.
              3. 3935333
                3935333 17 October 2013 11: 12
                -2
                Putin says a lot about Russia, the fact that it is no longer for Russians .... I sometimes think that he is also an agent .... together with Dima, just bankruptcy trustees after 1998. No, not in Ukraine, not in Russia now, the government that thought and did everything not for the sake of the "WORLD ECONOMY" (the USA, the FRS and all sorts of world industrial elites), but for the sake of our homeland !!! and people (the most valuable state resource).
              4. Simon
                Simon 17 October 2013 15: 56
                0
                Somehow, yes somewhere? Where are the facts? I personally have not heard this and have not read it anywhere.
          2. Ustas
            Ustas 17 October 2013 14: 53
            +2
            Quote: netishunUA
            What sways Russian blood spilled for Crimea is undeniable, only you dear forget how much Ukrainian blood was spilled for the Russian Empire, then for the USSR there’s certainly enough for a couple of Crimea

            Damn, already got those and these. Stop dividing one people.
            For the Crimea in the Second World War, one people shed blood, the Soviet!
        14. Simon
          Simon 17 October 2013 15: 15
          +1
          Oh my friend! Ukraine is already so weak that the Turks themselves will take Crimea. Your military potential is already very lame, and its restoration requires denyushka, which Ukraine does not have. One salvation for you is the Russian Black Sea Fleet, which is based in the Crimea, in Sevastopol. And your exclamations of "netishunUA" are ridiculous. Look, the Turks are currently arming themselves very strongly and raising their military-industrial potential. fool
        15. nnz226
          nnz226 17 October 2013 22: 01
          0
          They will put that Ukraine in "the pose of a drinking deer" for debts or for some other reason, and will give it back, wagging its entire spine with zeal. In 1940, Rumunia also screamed about the inviolability of her borders, relying on her ally Germany, but Comrade. Stalin frowned and wagged, and gave Bessarabia, but not Moldova without Transnistria. And the fact that stupid Moldovans themselves are rushing back to Rumunia - comrade. Stalin is to blame for his humanism, he did not rot in Siberia, nationalists of all stripes in all "fraternal" republics. And here at the Kiev leaders there is someone to frown. Again, Turkey is a NATO country, and NATO, having driven its fleet to the shores of the Crimea, against which the Naval Forces are squalor, not even worthy of a note on the margins of the logbook, and NATO will offer to "share" Crimea - I will look at the Urya-Svidomo squares. Will there be any kamikaze ball-and-goril bottling that will throw their "seagulls" (for there are no normal warships, and the pidvid chaven "Zaparizhye" is a floating shame) or airplanes, such as the modernized An-2 (NPO Antonov design bureau smoothly slides into its work on this topic) to enemy ships. That's all. Here, of course, Russia can defend its conquest in the 18th century, but, but, but ... Again, the first prizewinner of the Independent - Kravchuk (on a bough!) Said in an interview in 1991-92 that if Russia, in exchange for the recognition of Ukraine's independence, would have demanded Crimea back, would have given it with a joyful squeal. But Russia was not lucky in those days - a complete drunk ruled, to whom vodka and "derrrrmokratiya" were more important than the country's interests, so the question was not raised ...
      2. Andrey57
        Andrey57 16 October 2013 19: 32
        14
        Not everything is so simple, according to the terms of the Russian-Turkish peace agreement, after the defeat of Turkey in the war with the Russian Empire, Turkey forever refused claims to the Crimea and a number of other territories, but in that agreement there is a clause according to which Turkey can claim the Crimea in case of if Russia relinquishes its rights to Crimea.
        It follows that as soon as the Russian fleet, theoretically, leaves Sevastopol, Turkey will immediately have the right to lay claim to Crimea with all the ensuing consequences, so that all the mouse fuss about "expelling the occupants" from Crimea is fraught with the complete collapse of Ukraine as a state.
        1. Walker1975
          Walker1975 16 October 2013 23: 52
          -4
          And under a 17th century treaty, half the world belonged to Portugal, and half the world belonged to Spain.
          And there is also an agreement between the USSR and the Reich, an agreement after the First World War, after the Second World War ... Or vice versa, let's dig deep into - Why not raise the Byzantine treaty as a neighbor - in general, another map of Europe will work.
          Do you not know any later treaties than the Russian Empire - the Ottoman Empire, which strengthens modern borders?
          1. Nikaviz
            Nikaviz 17 October 2013 07: 46
            +2
            Remember Genghis Khan ...... laughing
      3. morpex
        morpex 16 October 2013 20: 01
        10
        Quote: Civil
        If we were friends, so that a stronger neighbor would not take it away, I would make Crimea joint.

        Great thought, Vadim! hi Like Singapore, under the protectorate of Russia and Ukraine ....
      4. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 16 October 2013 20: 23
        12
        At the mention of Ukraine, it is necessary to separate the People and the Government of Ukraine. The government has selfish interests, and the fate of the country in the future is not important to them.
        Quote: netishunUA
        Ukraine will not give Crimea to anyone.
        use in the dark, hooked on the ideals of independence.
        1. domokl
          domokl 16 October 2013 22: 09
          +3
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          need to separate the people and the government of Ukraine.

          To be honest, this thought has already gotten a sore point ... The people themselves, the government itself. But it’s interesting. Who chooses deputies and the president in Ukraine then? Are the people against, and the deputies get elected? Or do the Turks come to vote?
          It is impossible to share responsibility for the fate of the country. The people are guilty first of all. Why is it that after Yulia’s landing on the Maidan there were not days, months ... and now there’s silence and chatter on the Internet media. This means that those who are for the European Union are really bigger and stronger.
          The Ukrainian people made a choice and we need to learn how to live in new conditions.
      5. bif
        bif 16 October 2013 20: 27
        10
        Quote: Civil
        Ukraine will give Crimea even to the bald, but not to Russia. Purely hostile train of thought

        I agree, the article gave me the same conclusions.
        But the analysis of the situation around Crimea without the participation of the Russian Federation sounds strange.
        Personally, I want to notice from myself paradox - As R. Erdogan announced, Ankara welcomes Ukraine’s European integration plans ... although Turkey has applied for EU membership 1959 year, in 1963 - an agreement on association membership ... as a result, Turkey is still not a member of the EU, i.e. for more than half a century they have been keeping it in the dressing room !!! It is surprising that the leadership of Ukraine does not allow a "Turkish" scenario for themselves ...
        It turns out Erdogan stands up for Ukraine's desire to get into the same "jam" and get bogged down in this guano side by side for many years ... and what, it is more fun to while away the days together)
    3. a52333
      a52333 16 October 2013 19: 33
      13
      Yanukovych - Ukrainian Gorbachev?
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 16 October 2013 19: 43
        +9
        Quote: a52333
        Yanukovych - Ukrainian Gorbachev?


        A lot worse!
        1. serezhasoldatow
          serezhasoldatow 16 October 2013 22: 46
          +1
          Two godfathers drank and walk through the village, reach the dung and stop. One looking at a dung, run over by a cart wheel, says: "Kume, red on the left, white on the right, who are you for?" Another, squinting: "In my opinion, something g ... but, something g ... but"
      2. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 16 October 2013 20: 01
        +3
        Probably yes
      3. In the book
        In the book 17 October 2013 12: 15
        +1
        Among the four presidents of Ukraine, there was not and there is not one that would unite the country. They all resolved their issues: Kravchuk was a handsome man, Kuchma was a party organizer who was breaking into money, Yushchenko was a traitor to the people, a charist, and Yanukovych was just a criminal, both former and real.
    4. MG42
      MG42 16 October 2013 19: 37
      17
      Quote: a52333
      Yanukovych - Ukrainian Gorbachev?

      though he had no criminal record, crime now rules, everything is violet to them except money and power ..
      Quote: Max Otto
      I understand, need to be tolerantbut not to the same extent.

      The 2nd part of your post is a great picture >>
    5. timer
      timer 16 October 2013 20: 16
      +6
      To hell with tolerance. This is a shame and betrayal by Ukrainian politicians of the interests of the Ukrainian people in the first place. These political politicians, prostitutes, are ready to lie under the European Union, if only they are far from Russia. And the Ukrainian people do not want the European Union, they want an alliance with Russia, a national industry, close cooperation with the Russian (only not local oligarchs). I don’t understand why Putin and the team will he not find a responsible politician in Ukraine (pro-Russian) and will not bring him to power in order to actively begin actions to unite friendly peoples?
      1. bif
        bif 16 October 2013 20: 54
        13
        Quote: timer
        I don’t understand one thing: why Putin and his team will not find a responsible politician in Ukraine (pro-Russian) and will not bring him to power in order to actively begin actions to unite friendly peoples?

        "..Russia does not want to annex Ukraine to itself because everyone understands perfectly well how it all ends. The specifics of Ukrainian cooperation are clearly visible now, when, being a separate state, Ukraine does not know why it claims to gas fields in Siberia and access to the pipeline for transportation of hydrocarbons, at the same time, its own pipe - only for yourself. These are "national traditions" in doing business in Ukrainian. For Russians, this is nothing new, but this discovery has yet to be made by the EU countries.
        The integration of Ukraine into a single state, following the example of Belarus, is not at all what Putin would like. Here he is, just for an equal relationship ...
        ..Putin needs to make Ukrainians feel that they need Russia, and not vice versa. However, such an understanding does not come by itself. It did not come to Kyrgyzstan until it so happened that they pointed out their own people to the place of second-class citizens, and began to shoot them without regret and subsequent punishment of the perpetrators. Likewise, understanding came too late to Georgia. Now, perhaps the same will happen in Ukraine. But in order to understand this, someone else's experience is not enough. Only your own bumps on your own forehead are taken into account ... "http://contrpost.com/ru/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3342-vremya-ukrainy-vyshlo
        1. old rocket man
          old rocket man 16 October 2013 21: 13
          +6
          Quote: bif
          Quote: timer
          I don’t understand one thing: why Putin and his team will not find a responsible politician in Ukraine (pro-Russian) and will not bring him to power in order to actively begin actions to unite friendly peoples?

          "..Russia does not want to annex Ukraine to itself because everyone understands perfectly well how it all ends. The specifics of Ukrainian cooperation are clearly visible now, when, being a separate state, Ukraine does not know why it claims to gas fields in Siberia and access to the pipeline for transportation of hydrocarbons, at the same time, its own pipe - only for yourself. These are "national traditions" in doing business in Ukrainian. For Russians, this is nothing new, but this discovery has yet to be made by the EU countries.
          The integration of Ukraine into a single state, following the example of Belarus, is not at all what Putin would like. Here he is, just for an equal relationship ...
          ..Putin needs to make Ukrainians feel that they need Russia, and not vice versa. However, such an understanding does not come by itself. It did not come to Kyrgyzstan until it so happened that they pointed out their own people to the place of second-class citizens, and began to shoot them without regret and subsequent punishment of the perpetrators. Likewise, understanding came too late to Georgia. Now, perhaps the same will happen in Ukraine. But in order to understand this, someone else's experience is not enough. Only your own bumps on your own forehead are taken into account ... "http://contrpost.com/ru/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3342-vremya-ukrainy-vyshlo

          Delighted, you can’t say better +++++ drinks
      2. chief.matros
        chief.matros 17 October 2013 00: 26
        0
        So Yanukovych was kind of pro-Russian, but how did it happen?
        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 17 October 2013 13: 19
          0
          So Yanukovych was kind of pro-Russian, but how did it happen?

          Yeah. He was "pro-Russian" only when he needed votes from the east and south of Ukraine before the elections. Including the Crimea. Then the regionals hung excellent on the ears of the people! Plus, the administrative resource "plowed" them with might and main. And many "rams" believed them.fool What they hoped for is incomprehensible!request Initially, it was obvious who is who. Their capital honestly stolen where are they stored? Right. Where Yanukovych and his patriots are now climbing, like flies on the mountain. For these capitals, they grabbed them with a stranglehold. They do not give a damn about Crimea, Ukraine, Russia, the European Union, people, laws, common sense and everything else that is not connected with the preservation and increase of their money!am
          All 22 years that the authorities, that the opposition, alternately, behave worse than the invaders! Hitler shot himself at one time, fearing retaliation, and in this case he would have been strangled by envy. With all his efforts, he would not have dreamed of such results of killing the country and in nightmares ...
          It will be necessary for them, Yanukovych and others like them will become pro-Penguin, and not what pro-Russian or pro-European ... hi
    6. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 16 October 2013 21: 13
      +3
      Quote: Max Otto
      need to be tolerant

      What do you really need, but can’t do without it?
    7. true love
      true love 16 October 2013 21: 30
      +6
      "This is some kind of shame ..." said the hero of Bulgakov's story "Heart of a Dog" - Shvonder.
    8. wulf66
      wulf66 16 October 2013 22: 42
      +3
      Who says tolerance is necessary? Find the original definition of the word. This is a medical term. And then decide whether you need it?
      1. Max otto
        Max otto 17 October 2013 00: 29
        +2
        Quote: chunga-changa
        Quote: Max Otto
        need to be tolerant

        What do you really need, but can’t do without it?

        .
        Quote: wulf66
        Who says tolerance is necessary? Find the original definition of the word. This is a medical term. And then decide whether you need it?

        After signing an association with the EU, it’s just the same laughing
        Quote: true love
        "This is some kind of shame ..." said the hero of Bulgakov's story "Heart of a Dog" - Shvonder.

        Yes, yes, thanks, I also remembered later.
    9. Silkway0026
      Silkway0026 17 October 2013 10: 17
      +2
      Quote: Max Otto
      This is some kind of shame. I don’t remember who said it.




      I feel - it’s time to border it’s not something to strengthen - to rebuild ... To build walls, like Israel, like Iran ...
  2. sichevik
    sichevik 16 October 2013 18: 17
    21
    , As if the leadership of Ukraine did not receive a hotbed of tension in the Crimea. What Turkey is capable of, in my opinion, has all been convinced by the example of Syria. And then, in Crimea, Islamic extremism is beginning to flourish violently. Yes, and all the rabble from Syria at the right time will catch up. Turkey is building up. With the current connivance of the Ukrainian authorities, this scenario is very real.
    Let's hope that our security forces together with the Ukrainian will not allow this. Crimea in any Turkish will not. I just do not want all sorts of thugs to blow themselves up there. whatever the shooting was and innocent people would die.
    1. the polar
      the polar 16 October 2013 19: 00
      +6
      Quote: sichevik

      Let's hope that our security forces together with the Ukrainian will not allow this.

      Our "siloviki" have long been impotent. They were made like that by the government, which pushes not only Crimea, but also Ukraine into Europe.
      1. _Siberian_
        _Siberian_ 16 October 2013 19: 13
        16
        It's not about the siloviki, they only grit their teeth with their teeth, the matter is in the power of those who hold mud @ kah
      2. MIX58
        MIX58 16 October 2013 19: 58
        0
        Quote: Polar
        Our "siloviki" have long been impotent. They were made like that by the government, which pushes not only Crimea, but also Ukraine into Europe.

        .... 100 pluses to you ... I join in full !!!!!!!
    2. peter_shchurov
      peter_shchurov 17 October 2013 01: 00
      -5
      Quote: sichevik
      And then, in Crimea, Islamic extremism is beginning to flourish violently. Yes, and all the rabble from Syria at the right time will catch up. Turkey is building up. With the current connivance of the Ukrainian authorities, this scenario is very real.


      How are you already zae .. tired of it.
      Guys, first decide your own problems — you have Biryulyovo, migrants from Central Asia, you need to pour money into the North Caucasus, etc., etc.
      Well, head to head in a smelly brown substance.

      How will you figure it out, then give a competent opinion about separatism / Islamism, and so on. And then the "specialists" have bred nerezanyh sho dogs.

      "Whose cow would moo" (c)
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 October 2013 05: 29
        +4
        Quote: peter_shchurov
        Well, head to head in a smelly brown substance.

        The brown substance is Freedom in Parliament and torch marches in fascist form.
        1. peter_shchurov
          peter_shchurov 17 October 2013 18: 25
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          it's Freedom in Parliament

          Let's keep silent about EdR and the Russian Orthodox Church, as they make fun of the Russians, "Freedom" never dreamed of)))
      2. xan
        xan 17 October 2013 15: 13
        +1
        Quote: peter_shchurov
        Well, head to head in a smelly brown substance.

        Petya does not understand that the Russians themselves will solve their problems, and the Ukrainians are not able to solve theirs.
        1. peter_shchurov
          peter_shchurov 17 October 2013 18: 28
          +2
          So decide, then share your experience, on their successful solution.
          You guys are obsessive.
          You are in a pedestrian erotic almost in plain text, and you are just like "Jehovah's Witnesses" - they are outside the threshold, and they are out the window.
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 17 October 2013 18: 38
            +2
            Quote: peter_shchurov
            You are in a pedestrian erotic almost in plain text, and you are just like "Jehovah's Witnesses" - they are out the door, and they are out the window

            Who knows, maybe soon brochures (ala Watchtower) will begin to distribute. With happy (Amerov) smiles on 32 teeth, such as how happy people are living in TS / Paradise on Earth!
            P.S. This is of course a banter, but listening to individual members of the forum can not imagine such a thing. And the example with "witnesses" is strong ... laughing
    3. Niki
      Niki 17 October 2013 08: 52
      +1
      IMHO, everything has already taken place with tension ... The connivance has already reached the open separatist rallies in Simferopol.
  3. treskoed
    treskoed 16 October 2013 18: 17
    +3
    Will Turkish tours to Yalta, Alushta appear?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 October 2013 05: 30
      +3
      Quote: treskoed
      Will Turkish tours to Yalta, Alushta appear?

      Rather, Russian resorts in Antalya
      1. Manager
        Manager 17 October 2013 13: 14
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Rather, Russian resorts in Antalya

        How long has my friend been there>? )) They are already Russian! drinks
  4. andrei332809
    andrei332809 16 October 2013 18: 23
    12
    I don’t think ours will be silent if someone else in Ukraine wants to chop off Crimea. but the Psheks after the Ukrainian association are quite capable of throwing a show almost at Kiev itself. the gentry is at the gentry to the top of the head, and considerations ...
    1. bif
      bif 16 October 2013 20: 47
      16
      Quote: andrei332809
      I don’t think that our people will keep silent if someone else in Ukraine wants to chop off Crimea

      "..they say that the past customs war, when Russia began to stop trucks with Ukrainian products at its customs posts, ended in failure. These statements do not hold water. It was not a war, but a warning shot. The war will begin immediately after the signing of the agreement will open Ukrainian markets for European goods ... ... trade sanctions are one of the new tools in cooperation with zealous partners. There is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. For example, the United States has long been putting pressure on these pedals, seeking loyalty from this or another state. ”While Russia is doing this through Onishchenko ..
      Ukraine is at serious risk in this case. If only something happens in the shift of Ukraine towards Europe or NATO, this is guaranteed to lead to the loss of Ukraine of Sevastopol and the entire Crimea. Here Putin will not hesitate. Let those gentlemen who sit and write notes of Ukraine's future NATO membership do not even waste their time. It won't come to that. As soon as Ukraine begins to drift into the EU and NATO, we will all witness colossal economic pressure. Putin can easily and simply bankrupt Ukraine within six months. And no Merkel will be able to save Ukraine just for the reason that even if she bombards Ukraine with money (which of course will not happen), then all kinds of Yanukovych's children, Pinchuks and others like them will quickly stick these money in their pockets. /contrpost.com/ru/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3345-ukraina-mezhdu-strakhom-i-so
      vestyu
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 16 October 2013 20: 52
        -4
        Quote: bif
        bif

        and who is this categorical?
  5. saag
    saag 16 October 2013 18: 25
    +8
    It looks like a preemptive step, apparently in the west they got acquainted with the Great Agreement on Friendship between Russia and Ukraine, and lay a mine under a possible scenario of denouncing the agreement
  6. avt
    avt 16 October 2013 18: 25
    14
    Quote: treskoed
    Will Turkish tours to Yalta, Alushta appear?

    The Wahhabi system has been worked out there for a long time, they began to work actively since the time of the first Chechen campaign, but the Ukrainian leadership ..... Some out of malice to annoy the Crimeans, others, like Yanukovych, were strangling his wife with him, he stood by and said, be patient, maybe it will cost
  7. Lindon
    Lindon 16 October 2013 18: 26
    +9
    You like to skate - love and sledge to carry.
    If you wanted Europe - get a complete set with all the problems and shortcomings.
    There is already Stalin's deportation of the Crimean Tatars will not work.
    To paraphrase Stalin - "If there is a person, then there is a problem." There are the people of the Crimean Tatars - if you please respect this national minority with its customs and traditions.
    Now Ukraine - as if it will become the second France - it remains only to tighten the economy.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 16 October 2013 18: 32
      +5
      Quote: Lindon

      Now Ukraine - will definitely become the second France - it remains only to tighten the economy.


      Or the rope itself on its neck.
  8. Xroft
    Xroft 16 October 2013 18: 28
    10
    The Russian Crimea has always been and will be .... it is not in vain that so many of our great-grandfathers fell during the Russo-Turkish warrior. Sooner or later, he will return to the bosom of his native country .....
    1. sashka
      sashka 16 October 2013 19: 11
      +5
      Quote: Xroft
      The Russian Crimea has always been and will be .... it is not in vain that so many of our great-grandfathers fell during the Russo-Turkish warrior. Sooner or later, he will return to the bosom of his native country .....

      Which means sooner or later. Is Alaska also included? Then you really need to build up more statues and more charges .. Otherwise, all this rattling, which is more reminiscent of "rattling" about the "past" years. Forget the Ancestors, renounce their Victories .. Just admit that Ivans do not remember Kinship .. This is the PURPOSE of "power". .Admit yourself a fool and everything will be fine ..
    2. morpex
      morpex 16 October 2013 20: 21
      +4
      Quote: Xroft
      Russian Crimea has always been and will be ..

      Crimea belongs to Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs! All the lands were bought up and divided a long time ago. And these crabborers will not give anyone and an inch of their land. So, I personally am calm for the Crimea .. No Turkey will go there. good
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 16 October 2013 20: 46
        +4
        Quote: morpex
        Crimea belongs to Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs! All the lands were bought up and divided a long time ago. And these crabborers will not give anyone and an inch of their land. So, I personally am calm for the Crimea .. No Turkey will go there.


        On the shelf near Zmeiny Island, geological prospecting for oil and gas was also carried out by no sopledons from the song and dance ensemble of dystrophic boys. They intended to "climb" on the hydrocarbons produced there. Further development of events, how "tough peppers" by the decision of the "democratic" Euro-court swarmed like finches from a kite, do you, Marine, do I remind you?
        1. morpex
          morpex 16 October 2013 21: 08
          +4
          Quote: Hudo
          Do you, marine, not remind?

          You’re right here. Stsuki, of course you gave it away. It’s not a magician to remember without a mat ... But Crimea is not a shelf .. (and by the way about the shelf. Or maybe there’s not a damn there? I personally have such an impression after such a mediocre delivery ..)
          1. Kars
            Kars 16 October 2013 21: 09
            +1
            Quote: morpex
            Stsuki, of course, that they gave away. Without a mate, it’s not for the magician to remember ...

            You can recall normally Ukraine received more than in its time (and the section lasted even from the USSR) the USSR demanded for itself.
          2. Hudo
            Hudo 16 October 2013 21: 22
            +5
            Quote: morpex
            .And maybe there is not a damn?

            Not like that. Otherwise, the corn-eaters would not have so actively torn their anus while running on the Euro-ships. Gypsy is a small-minded zest and the air will not spoil.
    3. morpex
      morpex 16 October 2013 22: 36
      +3
      Quote: Xroft
      .no wonder so many of our great-grandfathers fell during the Russian-Turkish warrior.

      So ours is no less there .. Eternal glory to them. And yours and ours ... No need to brag about such things ....
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 16 October 2013 22: 57
        +4
        Quote: morpex
        So ours is no less there .. Eternal glory to them. And yours and ours ... No need to brag about such things ...
        Nobody brags like that. The trouble is that the current government of Ukraine is trying without war to do the same thing that the occupiers had not been able to do before. Tear off a piece of the common great power and attach it to someone else's threshold. What is discussed in this (and not only) article ... request
  9. teleset
    teleset 16 October 2013 18: 29
    +5
    However, the European Union is luring Ukraine into a cunning trap.
  10. Hudo
    Hudo 16 October 2013 18: 30
    +8
    "What are you, your royal muzzle, squandering state land?" (c)

    Yanuk was let out in distribution of state lands!
  11. morpogr
    morpogr 16 October 2013 18: 31
    +6
    Turkey did badly in Syria, but with the help of the EU it can work out in Crimea. Because the authorities in Ukraine will carry out all the trainer's commands, pretending that it is their desire to make it so convenient for Turkey and Brussels. And people do not care.
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 16 October 2013 19: 41
      +4
      Turkey will not succeed in the Crimea, they have under their ass Kurds in 40% of the territory, and Kurds are now fighting on the side of Assad, it is unlikely that the GDP will not use the Kurdish card at the slightest attempts by Turkey towards Crimea.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 16 October 2013 20: 55
      12
      Quote: morpogr
      .Because the power in Ukraine will fulfill all the trainer's commands pretending that it is their desire


      They say that they have been waiting for us in Europe for a long time,
      Having cooked carrots and a whip in Brussels.
      The trainers are being sent to train us,
      How do we European teams must perform.
      "Up!" - and we fell to our knees.
      "Up!" - we tear our Constitution.
      "Up!" - the thief Vona was acquitted,
      "Up!" - we are taking her abroad.
      They say that they lead us from the jungle to culture,
      We will have cleanliness and comfort in the cage,
      We will be glad to all that they put us in a cage,
      And we will do everything, only a whip to us.
      Lalliahttp: //www.segodnya.ua/politics/pnews/Timoshenko-poedet-lechitsya-lish-nak
      anune-prinyatiya-ES-osnovnogo-resheniya-expert-467819.html
  12. ksv36
    ksv36 16 October 2013 18: 32
    14
    Mdya ... As they say, I went n ... over the bumps. There was Ukraine and may not be. Sadly others. But these are our brothers Slavs.
    1. morpex
      morpex 16 October 2013 20: 56
      +3
      Quote: ksv36
      Was Ukraine and may not become it

      Don't worry, brother. Everything will be normal ... Everything that doesn't kill us makes us stronger. It's just that some comrades with masochistic inclinations thicken the colors ... Yes, there is little positive in Ukraine now .. But ... Remember how Solomon was written in the palace? "IT WILL NOT BE THIS ALWAYS!". That is, it will not always be good and it will not always be bad either ...
      1. xan
        xan 17 October 2013 15: 22
        0
        Quote: morpex
        Remember how it was written in Solomon's palace? "IT WILL NOT BE THIS ALWAYS!"

        Aha
        One smart one said - "it is never so bad that later it could not be even worse."
        Why do you think that Ukraine will have Solomon?
        1. morpex
          morpex 17 October 2013 19: 08
          +1
          Quote: xan
          Why do you think that Ukraine will have Solomon?

          Well, probably because the story, it somehow goes in a circle. Everything flows, everything changes, then in a new way. Again I will quote Solomon "... time to throw stones and time to collect them ..." And to be honest, I got this swotting on site - Ukraine tryndets, Svidomo haplyk, stupid Ukrainians and a lot of other negativity and slop that pours into my homeland .... For some reason, I am in a major mood .. An optimist, you know ... smile
        2. morpex
          morpex 17 October 2013 19: 09
          0
          Quote: xan
          Why do you think that Ukraine will have Solomon?

          Well, probably because the story, it somehow goes in a circle. Everything flows, everything changes, then in a new way. Again I will quote Solomon "... time to throw stones and time to collect them ..." And to be honest, I got this swotting on site - Ukraine tryndets, Svidomo haplyk, stupid Ukrainians and a lot of other negativity and slop that pours into my homeland .... For some reason, I am in a major mood .. An optimist, you know ... smile
  13. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 16 October 2013 18: 35
    +1
    There are a lot of options for the development of events ... and everything is very unpredictable for a simple layman ... it’s easier to wait with forecasts, the picture will be drawn very soon .. war, the collapse of the country, the collapse of the economy or, of course, the prosperity of Ukraine in the EU. , a lot has been calculated and well calculated ... Wait and see.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 16 October 2013 18: 40
      +3
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      In Moscow, I think they don’t sit idly by, much has been calculated and well calculated ...


      If there was a 100% certainty that it was calculated in your favor, but do not bring God into someone else's.
  14. 6 sunrise 9
    6 sunrise 9 16 October 2013 18: 36
    +9
    Crimean Tatars and "Ukrainians" hack on the nose that if the Crimea and separates from Ukraine, it will become the territory of the Russian Federation and we do not care about Erdogan and Turkey ... let the Kurds achieve independence, we will help them. And if the Tatars go overboard, we will deport ... to Turkey.
    1. vadson
      vadson 16 October 2013 20: 20
      +5
      walking on the black sea
  15. Misantrop
    Misantrop 16 October 2013 18: 37
    16
    So far, they are talking to Kiev. And as they are drawn into the Euro swamp, they will start to ORDER. "Tolerastic European integrators" are not Russians, they are not ashamed to order. And control the execution, HARD

    And the Tahrir people from Crimea in Syria are already fighting. One already managed to die ...
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 16 October 2013 18: 41
      +6
      Quote: Misantrop

      And the Tahrir people from Crimea in Syria are already fighting. One already managed to die ...


      Land him a stone reptile submarine. It’s a pity that just one so far.
  16. Fastblast
    Fastblast 16 October 2013 18: 37
    +6
    All that Ankara will get if he sticks his nose in the Crimea is a lowkick in the cabbage soup.
    And for the Crimean separatists and their families, it will be a great success to go where they came from ...
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 16 October 2013 18: 46
      +2
      Hto spoke !!!!!

      Yanuca said it is necessary to integrate with Europe, the "Ukrainian" answered - "is"! So sit quietly and wait for European integration wassat

      And the Crimea will be troubled in good hands soldier
      The question is only whether Crimea)
      1. Fastblast
        Fastblast 16 October 2013 18: 57
        -4
        So, the bath sheet, I wanted to go under the article? Watch me!

        From the beginning, you will deal with your fascist friends in the capital with the invaders, and only then everything else. And then after all, and choke inadvertently.
        1. 6 sunrise 9
          6 sunrise 9 16 October 2013 19: 13
          -3
          except for a stream of delirium, Nitsche did not hear, as expected.
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    1. randomizer
      randomizer 16 October 2013 18: 50
      +5
      Exactly) Che doesn’t say that there are several times more Russians in Crimea than Tatars. They will not be silent. Yes, Russia will not miss this blow. Crimea will be Russian!
      1. biglow
        biglow 16 October 2013 19: 05
        12
        Quote: Randaltor
        Exactly) Che doesn’t say that there are several times more Russians in Crimea than Tatars. They will not be silent. Yes, Russia will not miss this blow. Crimea will be Russian!

        in the Crimea there are many of us and we are in vests .... and our khachis don’t behave like they do in Moscow and other cities ... we will not let them go .. laughing
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 16 October 2013 19: 07
          +9
          Quote: biglow
          in the Crimea there are many of us and we are in vests ....

          God give it.
  18. Vital 33
    Vital 33 16 October 2013 18: 38
    +1
    The author is slightly delusional. Or, in an attempt to continue "Ukrainian Hysteria", he simply writes deliberate nonsense, maybe it will get through. What does Europe have to do with it? Turkey is NOT IN THE EUROPEAN UNION !!! How Ukraine's (very illusory) joining Europe will help Turkey to seize Crimea? Russia won Norway, without any vessels, gave a damn cloud of square kilometers of gas shelf. And what? Silence. Or China ... they fought even at one time ... here, take it, just like that. But no, we are silent, we do not notice the logs in our own eyes?
    1. Vital 33
      Vital 33 16 October 2013 18: 46
      -6
      Ahhh, stabbed someone ... Silently minus, and that’s all. So the truth ...
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 16 October 2013 18: 56
        +2
        Quote: Vital 33
        Silently minus, and that’s all. So the truth ...

        Well, I slammed a minus, nefig nonsense to write.

        Quote: Vital 33
        What does Europe have to do with it?

        With financial and geopolitical interest.

        Quote: Vital 33
        Turkey IS NOT IN THE EUROPEAN UNION !!! How will Ukraine's entry into Europe (very ghostly) help Turkey grab Crimea?


        Territorial education based solely on theft and squandering created by previous generations, on lies and deceit is doomed. The weak are torn to pieces. Turkey will try to pick up what it mistakenly considers to be its own, and in Brussels and the little finger they won’t move to prevent it. Does the example of a shelf near Father Zmeiny not tell you anything?
        1. morpex
          morpex 16 October 2013 21: 28
          0
          Quote: Hudo
          Well, I slammed a minus, nefig nonsense to write.

          And why dear delirious? Isn’t it about Norway?
          1. Vital 33
            Vital 33 16 October 2013 21: 36
            -3
            morpex (1) SU  Today, 21:28 PM ↑ New



            Quote: Hudo

            Well, I slammed a minus, nefig nonsense to write.

            And why dear delirious? Isn’t it about Norway?


            It doesn’t matter, the truth is not true, this is the style, to see only other people's “sins”, but to call “myself” just nonsense ...
          2. Hudo
            Hudo 16 October 2013 21: 41
            +1
            Quote: morpex
            Quote: Hudo
            Well, I slammed a minus, nefig nonsense to write.

            And why dear delirious? Isn’t it about Norway?


            Valery, an article about the Crimea and Turkish claims on it, and Pan Svidonaut is either about the Norwegians, then that Putin is short, then that the Chinese are yellow in the face.
            Yulit the bastard is vile, for he knows that the Tatar jihadists are great friends of the banderlog-natsyutsyurnikov.
            1. Vital 33
              Vital 33 16 October 2013 21: 50
              -3
              "Pan svidonavt", and "vile bastard" is it you probably me?))) So why can you talk about Crimea, but don't want to remember Norway? Because the great Pu ordered so? He said, it is necessary !!!, and no one vyaknul, silence. And then the heroes, come and take it ...
              What has still not been taken, give current? Keyboard Fighters ...
              And by the way, my insufficiently low level of mental development will not allow you to communicate with you at your level, so be healthy ... hi
              1. Hudo
                Hudo 16 October 2013 21: 58
                +3
                Quote: Vital 33
                "Pan svidonavt", and "vile bastard" are you probably me?


                Ahhhh, so this hat lit up on you, as in a proverb. And then rushing singed, and from where - it is not clear.

                Quote: Vital 33
                So why can you talk about Crimea, but you don’t want to remember about Norway? Because the great Pu ordered so? He said it was necessary !!!, and no one blundered, silent. And then the heroes, come, take ...
                What has still not been taken, give current? Keyboard Fighters ...


                Donbass, Lugansk. Great Pu has not ordered us anything yet. But do not bzdi Svidomo, orders - we will do it.

                Quote: Vital 33
                my insufficient level of mental development will not allow you to communicate with


                And you are healthy. Do not lose the Shalvars, and do not forget the sorbu with the memoirs of Mazepa.
                1. morpex
                  morpex 16 October 2013 22: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: Hudo
                  orders - we’ll do it.

                  Are you serious? With arms in hand? Will you personally go? Ali how?
                  1. Hudo
                    Hudo 16 October 2013 22: 50
                    +2
                    They will give me a gun - I’ll go. Pea jacket and berets, assembled backpack - ready.
                    1. Corneli
                      Corneli 17 October 2013 03: 29
                      +1
                      Quote: Hudo
                      They will give me a gun - I’ll go. Pea jacket and berets, assembled backpack - ready.

                      You can hardly get further than the toilet laughing
                    2. morpex
                      morpex 17 October 2013 19: 14
                      0
                      Quote: Hudo
                      They will give me a gun - I’ll go. Pea jacket and berets, assembled backpack - ready.

                      In our time, there were no berets. But I kept the black beret ... I’m dressed .. But I won’t shoot at my brothers ...
                  2. Vital 33
                    Vital 33 16 October 2013 22: 51
                    0
                    Marine, who will go there ... This is a great-chauvinistic bl ... bl, read the comments. It’s bold only on the Internet ...
                    23 years, everything promises to come ...
                    Maximum in police ...
                    1. Hudo
                      Hudo 16 October 2013 22: 57
                      +2
                      Cover the blower, mold Svidomo. A policeman is your family, so to speak, profession.
                      P.S. did you say goodbye today, or have you returned from walking erotic walks?
                      1. Vital 33
                        Vital 33 16 October 2013 23: 01
                        -7
                        So B.Y.D.L.O.
                      2. Corneli
                        Corneli 17 October 2013 03: 31
                        -3
                        Quote: Hudo
                        Cover the blower, mold Svidomo. A policeman is your family, so to speak, profession.
                        P.S. did you say goodbye today, or have you returned from walking erotic walks?

                        Quoting you a clown:
                        Quote: Hudo
                        Ahhhh, so this hat lit up on you, as in a proverb. And then rushing singed, and from where - it is not clear.

                        Highchair hope fireproof? Not a cheap Chinese fake? otherwise it will burn, you will fall and hurt yourself laughing
                      3. Hudo
                        Hudo 17 October 2013 07: 04
                        +3
                        you, Cornelli, should not strain so much by sticking out your rotten insides - your boorish and uterine essence is already quite obvious.
                      4. Corneli
                        Corneli 17 October 2013 13: 15
                        -1
                        Quote: Hudo
                        you, Cornelli, should not strain so much by sticking out your rotten insides - your boorish and uterine essence is already quite obvious.

                        If someone else had told me this, I would have thought) And here, anyone can see that you exist and talk to me about "rudeness", YOU, I don't even know what to call it. Read your posts in this thread, sick one, you can't talk to people. Actually, at least half of your sad posts should be deleted according to the rules of the site, for stupid insults (including with obscenities) of your opponents and the country they are defending. But the modernists are silent as partisans, though they are "moral", they are their own, dear. laughing Go to the branch ANY Ukrainian. flag and start such a scribble as a cha in a branch about the Russian Federation, I would slogat ban. And with sha sho with goose water.
                        P.S. I watch it burns on and on, moreover, with your face in your own words, they dunked our "uterine" laughing
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          3. chief.matros
            chief.matros 17 October 2013 00: 47
            +4
            are you a crest-not loving fat? It’s already suspicious when the article is about Norway, we’ll talk there, and now we’re talking about Ukraine
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  19. Misantrop
    Misantrop 16 October 2013 18: 58
    11
    Quote: Vital 33
    Silently minus, and that’s all. So the truth ...
    And what is there to comment on? The deepest thoughts like:
    Quote: Vital 33
    The author is slightly raving

    Quote: Vital 33
    Russia won Norway

    Quote: Vital 33
    Or China ...

    It is about a SPECIFIC meeting with no less SPECIFIC requirements. And about a specific terrorist organization, which the other day in Simferopol SPECIFICALLY held a rally. About real fighters, now gaining combat experience in Syria. WHAT ELSE must I bang on the Ukrainian head so that at least an echo is formed? Or, in spite of Moscow, are they ready to hand out and ditch half of the country?
    1. Vital 33
      Vital 33 16 October 2013 19: 03
      -5
      So I gave you specific examples. But you don’t hear, or there’s nothing to answer. I don’t even know what to beat on the Russian head ... And about Syria, there are YOUR militants more than twenty times !!! And let everyone worry about themselves and not teach others.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 16 October 2013 19: 14
        14
        Quote: Vital 33
        And about Syria, so there YOUR militants more than twenty times !!! AND let everyone worry about themselves and not teach others.
        Exactly. I am a Crimean at least in the 10th generation and everything that happens here, I see not on TV. And I don’t need the Turkish administration here. But in Syria, MY militants are not, here are Tatar - full
      2. IGS
        IGS 16 October 2013 19: 32
        +5
        I also minus. I look at you from a high bell tower (not at all, of course, for European integrators), you have made up your mind, but for Crimea ... There was a "Pearl of the Russian Crown", they gave you for nothing ... on a campaign you pass .. those Crimea, no wonder they say that someone else's does not go for the future.
      3. alex13-61
        alex13-61 16 October 2013 21: 01
        +8
        Quote: Vital 33
        And let everyone worry about themselves and not teach others.

        So give us the opportunity, in our autonomy to figure it out, without "vkazivok zi Lviv region", otherwise in every nook of Ukraine they know "good things" with Crimea ... pancake newcolonizers ...
      4. chief.matros
        chief.matros 17 October 2013 00: 51
        +2
        so our militants came from you. Or do you not know how many people have shot in Chechnya?
    2. Hudo
      Hudo 16 October 2013 19: 05
      +3
      Quote: Misantrop
      About real militants now gaining combat experience in Syria


      Not so long ago, the SBU (Ukrainian Security Service) set out to train the training camps of Islamic militants in the Crimean Mountains. That West did not order Slyushnyakovich to search for those militants - soon they will need to see for dirty deeds. Zilch this undertaking has ended.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 16 October 2013 19: 30
        +7
        Quote: Hudo
        Not so long ago, the SBU (Ukrainian Security Service) set out to train the training camps of Islamic militants in the Crimean Mountains.

        http://warfiles.ru/show-34773-v-lesah-kryma-idet-zachistka-terroristov.html
        Here is the link. The operation began and ... ended with NOTHING. Not ordered to touch ... request
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 16 October 2013 19: 37
          +3
          Quote: Misantrop
          . The operation began and ... ended with NOTHING. Not ordered to touch ... request


          Have you been expecting anything else? In this scandalous under-state of that, and look that Crimea is somehow round already already that-bye-bye, and ukrofyurers in power are counting the broth.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 16 October 2013 19: 43
            +4
            Quote: Hudo
            Have you been expecting anything else?
            Honestly, yes. Already in the mid-90s he saw armor at intersections with trunks along the roads (when they last time tried to raise their heads). I was hoping there would be something similar. Alas... request

            And the last Gauleiter of Sevastopol, a certain Kunitsyn, for the year of his reign, sold wholesale the entire Baydar Valley (more than 1000 hectares) to private firms from Britain and Cyprus. And the lack of a law on the sale of land did not stop him ...
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 16 October 2013 19: 53
              +2
              Quote: Misantrop
              And the last Gauleiter of Sevastopol, a certain Kunitsyn, for the year of his reign, sold the entire Baidar Valley in bulk


              Temporary workers, as the Little Russians say: "Natsaryuvav and duck".
      2. Hudo
        Hudo 16 October 2013 19: 32
        +3
        What does your "minus" mean svidodegeneratsy? Wasn't it? No, such an event took place! The mountainous regions of Crimea have become the base for training camps for terrorist organizations. To confront and eliminate extremists, the Security Service of Ukraine, together with the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Border Guard Service, and the military, from the second half of June, began to cleanse the Crimean mountain-forest regions of these elements. The results of the operations are kept secret. The press service of the Main Directorate of the SBU in Crimea announced that the exercises will be held until October in the mountainous forest area of ​​several regions. Security officials will work out a number of tactical and strategic maneuvers in difficult landscape conditions. Particular emphasis is placed on testing the Bakhchisarai-Sudak-Belogorye mountain triangle, since this is where Islamic training camps are based. In addition, assistance is provided by a unit of internal troops "Bars" consisting of 300 people.
        http://uainfo.org/yandex/191873-smi-podtverzhdayut-informaciyu-o-trenirovochnyh-

        lageryah-boevikov-v-krymu-sbu-ne-reagiruet.html
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 16 October 2013 19: 41
          +3
          Here! Type set a minus, and there are no jihadist thugs in the mountains of Crimea. Well, as children are mentally retarded, if I did it and covered it with a newspaper, then somehow I didn’t. Darkness! Complete brain atrophy!
          1. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx 17 October 2013 15: 32
            0
            ... Complete brain atrophy!

            hi You are wrong, I think. You can not atrophy that which was not originally. Why did you suddenly decide that the Natsiks have a brain? I can only agree with the possibility of having a spinal cord. For sustainability. In a lackey pose. For it is too developed for them. This pose. At the level of instincts. As you saw the European carrot - right away in a pose ...
      3. Basarev
        Basarev 16 October 2013 21: 26
        0
        But this is all because of corrupt creatures in the Ukrainian elite. And so the SBU is quite an effective intelligence agency.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 16 October 2013 21: 32
          +3
          Quote: Basarev
          But this is all because of corrupt creatures in the Ukrainian elite. And so the SBU is quite an effective intelligence agency.


          Effective mainly in the protection of all kinds of crime. Even a juvenile jerk is green like eggs from a grasshopper, who has not served in the SBU and flaunts gold cufflinks and a gold clip on an expensive tie for a year.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 16 October 2013 21: 44
            +7
            Quote: Hudo
            Even a juvenile jerk is green

            So real specialists from there have long gone. And here are the sons of the deputies - they’ve settled down! Prestigious! That's why we do not have SBU, but .... moderators will not miss.
  20. old rocket man
    old rocket man 16 October 2013 19: 22
    +4
    Quote: Vital 33
    Ahhh, stabbed someone ... Silently minus, and that’s all. So the truth ...


    What is there to talk about?
    Evaluation of a comment is everyone’s right, and to engage in empty polemics with gorlopans is not to respect yourself
    1. Vital 33
      Vital 33 16 October 2013 19: 27
      -2
      Throats are those who write nonsense, with the appearance of biblical broadcasters, and anyhow nonsense, and do not tolerate any attempts to analyze what is written. I do not pretend to be the last resort, and try to communicate normally. But unfortunately, people see what they want, and therefore I will not enter into a polemic with gorlopans ... be healthy.
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  • Egoza
    Egoza 16 October 2013 19: 13
    +7
    Quote: Vital 33
    What does Europe have to do with it? Turkey IS NOT IN THE EUROPEAN UNION !!!

    For your information:
    Turkey is one of the founders of the Council of Europe since the 1949 of the year and, thanks to the Association Agreement between the EEC and Turkey, signed on September 12 of September 1963, is an “associate member” of the European Union
    And now Ukraine can become exactly the same "associate member"! And who will get more preferences? The one who is already "associated" with 1963 or the newcomer-Ukraine?
    1. Vital 33
      Vital 33 16 October 2013 19: 22
      0
      Exactly. Ukraine will also be "associated" for 50 years ... so Crimea will definitely not be taken away for 50 years. And there will be no borders already, 000.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 16 October 2013 19: 27
        +4
        Quote: Vital 33
        Exactly. Ukraine will also be "associated" for 50 years ... so Crimea will definitely not be taken away for 50 years. And there will be no borders already, 000.


        And you still tell them about the ukrocentric device of the universe - then they definitely won’t take it away. fool
        1. Vital 33
          Vital 33 16 October 2013 19: 28
          -1
          And why this nonsense?
          1. IGS
            IGS 16 October 2013 19: 41
            +2
            After me, even a flood? And think about their children. religion does not allow? They will get your country ... if it remains.
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        3. vadson
          vadson 16 October 2013 20: 27
          +4
          Quote: Hudo
          Quote: Vital 33
          Exactly. Ukraine will also be "associated" for 50 years ... so Crimea will definitely not be taken away for 50 years. And there will be no borders already, 000.


          And you still tell them about the ukrocentric device of the universe - then they definitely won’t take it away. fool

          Yes, at least send the globe of Ukraine to Brussels - this will definitely put them into a dead end
      2. alex13-61
        alex13-61 16 October 2013 21: 11
        +6
        Quote: Vital 33
        Exactly. Ukraine will also be "associated" for 50 years ... so Crimea will definitely not be taken away for 50 years.

        You’d better ask the Cypriots: they’ll take it away or not ...
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    3. morpex
      morpex 16 October 2013 21: 38
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      is an “associate member” of the European Union

      But you must admit, association and membership are two very big differences. I mean in Turkey. And in the light of recent events in Turkey itself, it is unlikely that it will be there in the coming years 10-15.
      And, vague doubts about the association of Ukraine torment me ...
  • Basarev
    Basarev 16 October 2013 21: 23
    0
    Not Russia, but Gorbachev and Yeltsin. It's not the same thing at all, it's a big difference.
  • Chuvash
    Chuvash 16 October 2013 18: 39
    +6
    when Crimea becomes Russian, it will be necessary to recall the methods of Comrade Stalin angry
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 16 October 2013 19: 28
      +7
      Quote: Chuvash
      it will be necessary to recall the methods of Comrade Stalin

      Especially for some leaders! An interesting biography by M. Dzhamilev ... read in detail! http://bp.ubr.ua/profile/djemilev-mustafa-abduldjemil
      In 1969 he became the founder of the Initiative Group for the Defense of Human Rights. During 1966-1983. M. Dzhemilev was arrested six times, according to media reports, has 7 convictions, spent 15 years in prison. (On my own I would add - for anti-Soviet activity. But we are softer to "people", we are not 37 years old! But in vain !!!)
      M. Dzhemilev - Honorary Doctor of Law, University of Seljuk in Turkey, M. Dzhemilev named the park in Ankara, streets in Ankara, Sungurlu and some other Turkish cities, a lecture hall at the University of Seljuk, library of the University of Kırıkkale. He is an honorary citizen of the cities of Kastamonu and Kırıkkale.
      XXXX
      Well, not for beautiful eyes with him so Turkey rushes !!! am
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 16 October 2013 19: 51
        +9
        Quote: Egoza
        Especially for some leaders! An interesting biography by M. Dzhamilev ... read in detail! http://bp.ubr.ua/profile/djemilev-mustafa-abduldjemil

        This is bullshit, not a biography. He was not deported, NEVER. If only because he is not a Tatar, but an ethnic Turk from the Baltic. And the first term was not received at all for human rights activities, but for rape. He later climbed into cryoprotectants ... lol
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 16 October 2013 19: 55
          +3
          Quote: Misantrop
          And the first term was not received at all for human rights activities, but for rape. He later climbed into cryoprotectants ...


          As for me, that the rapist, that the cryoprotector - scum.
        2. old rocket man
          old rocket man 16 October 2013 20: 51
          +5
          Quote: Misantrop
          Quote: Egoza
          Especially for some leaders! An interesting biography by M. Dzhamilev ... read in detail! http://bp.ubr.ua/profile/djemilev-mustafa-abduldjemil

          This is bullshit, not a biography. He was not deported, NEVER. If only because he is not a Tatar, but an ethnic Turk from the Baltic. And the first term was not received at all for human rights activities, but for rape. He later climbed into cryoprotectants ... lol

          This confirms the thesis that politics is a dirty business.
          If you dig around, then many "cryoprotectors" (very successfully) crawled out of the mud.
          In short. Who screams the loudest, hold the thief? drinks
    2. Walker1975
      Walker1975 17 October 2013 00: 19
      -7
      Do you mean what methods?
      - before the start of the war, shoot the entire command, and then throwing all the equipment to retreat to the Volga?
      - starve your people?
      - to transplant half the country and then try to catch up with advanced countries with the hands of convicts? Like, democratic Russia cannot make its own PC, but you put engineers in sharashka and invent everything.
  • Luga
    Luga 16 October 2013 18: 50
    11
    Crimea is Russian land. What are the Tatars, Turks? Rave. Ukraine does not need Crimea? Well, declare freedom of self-determination and hold a referendum. And let the Turks worry about Constantinople and the straits. I have a long-standing dream of walking around the Vlaherns, looking at Sofia of Constantinople (without minarets), buying a cup of kvass for thirty rubles ... It seems that this is not so impossible ...
    1. morpex
      morpex 16 October 2013 21: 42
      +7
      Quote: Luga
      I have a long-standing dream of walking around the Vlaherns, looking at Sofia of Constantinople (without minarets), buying a cup of kvass for thirty rubles ..

      ... wash your feet in the Indian Ocean ... laughing
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 16 October 2013 18: 55
    +5
    Yes ... But there is a possibility that their activity nevertheless marks a vector. When they squeeze Ukraine from Russia and drive into it completely, as long as it claws the bird’s abyss. And this government, apparently, will also sell their mother, as they have long been bogged down by their capital in the west.
    Damn, they still did not have time to accept their conditions, but they started already fussing.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 16 October 2013 18: 56
    +4
    In the absence of a coherent policy of Russia to return Crimea back to Russian borders, there are three forces muddying the waters: a) the Turks; b) previously deported Mongol-Tatars (or simply, Tatars); c) European administration. And all this with the passive position of the Ukrainian authorities, like, they say, Crimea is not ours, and let them sort it out as they want, the main thing is not to get Russia. With such political prostitution, it is high time for us to "take the bull by the horns" - to put forward our claims to the Crimea and implement them. How long can you pull a cat for me ..?! - well, you get the idea.
  • individual
    individual 16 October 2013 19: 06
    +2
    Quote:
    "The Turkish side made a proposal to hold a quadrilateral meeting (Foreign Ministers of Ukraine and Turkey + representatives of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea + head of the Mejlis M. Dzhemilev), which the Ukrainian president could not refuse."

    What about Russia?
    Or tolerance again?
  • ksv36
    ksv36 16 October 2013 19: 10
    +3
    Quote: Chuvash
    when Crimea becomes Russian

    I think then the Serpentine shelf will become Russian.
    Quote: Vital 33
    Russia out of Norway without any ships gave a damn cloud of square kilometers

    Therefore, she gave that she, this cloud of square. kilometers worthless, would be good - would not give. We don’t give back the islands of Japan. Guess why? Right, they are GOOD. wink
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  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 16 October 2013 19: 11
    +3
    Yes, let it roll in. Square to hell, it will be possible to return all your straightforwardly without unnecessary expenses.
  • Echo
    Echo 16 October 2013 19: 20
    +5
    This bastard Dzhemilev and his get-together called "Mejlis" exist solely because the Kaklo-power organized crime group supports them as a kind of counterbalance to the pro-Russian absolute majority in Crimea. In real life, the Tatarva nifiga does not work, only is engaged in self-seizure of land, drug trafficking and other crime.

    As a blatant example, let’s recall that the drug-addict son of this Dzhemilev was directly shot at HOME by his bastard-dad from a farm laborer who worked for master Dzhemilev for Eating. And what, organized crime groups Kaklo-power tied these crazy-headed adherents of ishak-akbar pan-Turkism? Yeah right now! Sinul Dzhemilev even in SIZO did not bother. They put in a hospital, like, a barchuk!

    While in Crimea in power kaklo-gauleiter appointed nezalezhnoy land, lawlessness will continue. A handful of Tatars will insolently declare their rights, which they do not have in Crimea, and should not be.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 16 October 2013 21: 44
      +3
      It seems that neither Ushakov nor Nakhimov took any action ... We have to shoot the third take with Kuznetsov in the title role
  • cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 16 October 2013 19: 27
    12
    And why the Mr. B-e-n-derovites are silent, they do not arise against the Turks, their tongues seemed to pull in their ass. Or are these mongrels, only on command from the west barking? And the Tatars can not beat the horns, but they were so brave, they shouted they would reach Moscow, the fraera were cheap.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 16 October 2013 19: 38
      +7
      Quote: cherkas.oe
      And why the Mr. B-e-n-derovites are silent, do not arise against the Turks

      So they are "allies" with them - both are against Russia. And recently, it was in the military units located in the Crimea that the lads were sent exclusively from the memory. Who safely after the army tried to stay in the Crimea. Accident? Or to help M. Dzhamilev, if the Russians rise up there?
      1. Technocrat
        Technocrat 17 October 2013 12: 10
        -1
        Egoza, as always, knows everything and is aware of everything, in the last 8 years, units of the Ukrainian army have been recruited according to the territorial principle - for especially gifted children, this means that I usually go to serve either to my region or to neighboring ones, with the exception of the Internal Troops, SBU, and the Navy. And in Crimea, after the service, only a few remain, as a rule, contract soldiers. I say this as a military man in the past, and before talking nonsense and hilarity, try to at least superficially study the issues that are being discussed here, and not post on the principle - "whose cart is that food and I sing a song ...." -
    2. Basarev
      Basarev 16 October 2013 21: 45
      +2
      Yes, banal rotten show-offs
  • Igor62
    Igor62 16 October 2013 19: 30
    +3
    Quote: old rocket
    Quote: netishunUA
    Ukraine will not give Crimea to anyone.


    Laughing out loud.
    So who will ask her?
  • old rocket man
    old rocket man 16 October 2013 19: 31
    +4
    .... he is getting richer with a dummy, here I am, old one .... I think: "After all, the Crimean Tatars are, as it were, an indigenous nation?, maybe take it off to do what they did to the Indians in America?"
    And what will they tell us? wassat wassat wassat
    They moderate, even proverbs are castrated, and one cannot call oneself already.
  • WIN969
    WIN969 16 October 2013 19: 38
    +6
    Ukraine is destined to fall apart because of the stupidity of a Yanuk, and you can’t do anything about it.
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  • Echo
    Echo 16 October 2013 19: 42
    +3
    Quote: cherkas.oe
    And why the Mr. B-e-n-derovites are silent, they do not arise against the Turks, their tongues seemed to pull in their ass. Or are these mongrels, only on command from the west barking? And the Tatars can not beat the horns, but they were so brave, they shouted they would reach Moscow, the fraera were cheap.

    Everything is very simple. Tatarva is an ally of the independent and Svidomo in the fight against us, the Russian population of Crimea. Therefore, the Tatars are allowed to commit atrocities. When the people finally rise against the Kuyev Gauleiter and his packs, Svidomotnya will arm the Tatars with the aim of terror against the Russian majority. Only for the Mejlis thugs will this inevitably end very badly. But at this stage of the Tatarva’s atrocities, Kuev’s hands, and if he starts to swing the rights too much, they will be cut off by the independents themselves and cut like pigs.

    Here is the friendly site of the legitimate President of Crimea, Yuri Meshkov, who was illegally deported by some authorities: http://www.freetavrida.org/ - pass this link to as many people as possible. Let everyone know what the brutal occupants are doing with us!
    1. Luga
      Luga 16 October 2013 23: 52
      +2
      Thanks for the link. I got acquainted with some materials with great interest.
  • ksv36
    ksv36 16 October 2013 19: 44
    0
    Quote: Vital 33
    What about China?

    And what? Gave 337 sq. km of marshy land, and settled the dispute that has been going on between us and China since the 60's. But now the brothers are forever. Any more questions?
    1. Vital 33
      Vital 33 16 October 2013 19: 53
      0
      Do you remember how many were killed for these 337 sq. Km of swampy lands? And you think you paid it off? So this is until next time ... And about "brothers forever" you got excited in my opinion ...
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    3. Basarev
      Basarev 16 October 2013 21: 51
      +2
      The Soviet Union for these marshy lands obliterated the Chinese from the face of Amur
    4. morpex
      morpex 16 October 2013 22: 49
      +2
      Quote: ksv36
      But now the brothers are forever.

      UP-ss! We arrived ... Do you yourself understand what stupidity you said? laughing
  • Echo
    Echo 16 October 2013 19: 56
    +7
    Here, everyone look, what allows organized crime groups Kaklo-power brutal Tatarra!
  • mithridate
    mithridate 16 October 2013 20: 05
    +3
    the West will play the Tatar card anyway, it's only a matter of time
  • tennis
    tennis 16 October 2013 20: 06
    +1
    Ukrainian couple whom you want to outwit, even themselves. You know that when the first crest was born, the Jew cried. So, so far not everything is so gloomy on the horizon.
  • ksv36
    ksv36 16 October 2013 20: 08
    +3
    Quote: Vital 33
    Do you remember how many people died during these 337 sq. Km of marshlands?

    I know. He served in Khabarovsk. The politicians carried out political information every Tuesday. They didn’t pay off, but I don’t see any claims yet. I think there will be no next time. Now is not the 90s, Russia and its army are on their feet. If the Yankees were afraid to climb into Syria through our ships, then the Chinese would not even climb into our garden. Why did you climb earlier? I think they were stupid, not fired upon by our Katyushas laughing And at the expense of the brothers, you are right, I forgot to quote it.
    1. godun
      godun 16 October 2013 21: 20
      +4
      Somewhere news spread that these islands were washed away during the flood along with "brothers forever".
  • pensioner
    pensioner 16 October 2013 20: 39
    +4
    Crimea - Russia! Ukraine, even if it goes where. In figs where ... Just not in NATO.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 16 October 2013 21: 56
      +2
      Yes, even in NATO. Remember the illustrative example of the Baltic states. Once they were the first echelon of defense of the Soviet Union and the number of wunderwafers per square kilometer went off scale. And now everyone around laughs at their parades
    2. Walker1975
      Walker1975 17 October 2013 00: 25
      -1
      So Russia itself is doing everything for Ukraine to join NATO - look at the discussion above. All Russians together shouted - we will take away Crimea - that is, territorial claims against a neighboring state. Well, the Russians are just pleading - well, join NATO, so that we already stop shouting: give Crimea.
      1. In the book
        In the book 17 October 2013 12: 34
        +1
        and cons from Russians completely confirm this
      2. xan
        xan 17 October 2013 15: 31
        0
        Quote: Walker1975
        Well, the Russians are just pleading - well, join NATO, so that we already stop shouting: give Crimea.

        Slow-motion Ukrainian uncouth!
        Russians with two hands for your entry into NATO because then the Kremlin snot will stop chewing and will begin to press you for an adult.
        You will leave for NATO with strongly castrated territory.
        Crimea is not yours, you are not only strangers there, but also stupid and dumb.
  • Vittt
    Vittt 16 October 2013 20: 46
    +7
    Quote: MG42
    Quote: Max Otto
    It's a shame

    Of course, there was a calculation with the Crimean Tatars that they would weaken the influence of Russia in the Crimea, but the Islamization of Crimea will lead to the fact that even Turkey is pulling its tentacles there through the Black Sea

    Until the 18th century, Crimea was neither Russian, nor even Ukrainian. There really lived a Turkish-speaking Tartar, who lost several wars to Peter I, then, and not only to the First, was eventually expelled by Stalin, who, not being a Slav, understood the brutality these people who during the Second World War looked for OURS in Sevastopol (we will leave alone the only Hero of the Soviet Union from the Crimean Tatars, the Pilot, whose monument was erected in Alupka). These animals knew their place (in Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan) during the USSR. I saw these people and I know - they’re not just friends or enemies to us, it’s ALIENS.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 16 October 2013 21: 01
      +5
      Quote: Vittt
      let’s leave alone the only Hero of the Soviet Union from the Crimean Tatars, the Pilot, whose monument is installed in Alupka
      Amet-Khan Sultan was a Lak ethnic. Crimean Tatar was his mother. This is just in case wink
      Quote: Vittt
      Crimea until the 18th century
      In fact, the history of Crimea is somewhat older than a couple of centuries. Tatars came to Crimea on the shoulders of the Horde in the 13th century, so they don’t pull on the only indigenous people with all their will. Well, and the reasoning is that by the 18th century a separate people (Crimean Tatars) managed to form ... lol For such a period, unless stable mutations are able to fixate, it takes much more time to form a people ... request
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 16 October 2013 21: 06
      +5
      Quote: Vittt
      The Turkish-speaking Tatars really lived there,

      Which before that practically cut out and drove out the Karaites, Greeks, Armenians and others living on these lands. Many years later the boomerang returned - they were also kicked out of Crimea for their "exploits". And before yelling "we were offended" - you need to carefully review your history - and what did your people do? For the deeds of ancestors - descendants will answer.
    3. Basarev
      Basarev 16 October 2013 22: 00
      +1
      I remember one more story about Crimea. During the siege of Sevastopol, the Germans brought to Crimea half of all Charles and both Doras. However, only after almost a year they took Sevastopol.
      1. Kars
        Kars 16 October 2013 22: 03
        +1
        Quote: Basarev
        all Charles and both Dora

        Directly to all Charles? And even both Dora? I’m just wondering where did you learn the story?
      2. Hudo
        Hudo 16 October 2013 22: 10
        +2
        The Germans surrendered it much faster.
        The Germans built a powerful echeloned system of defensive structures near Sevastopol, using the favorable conditions of the mountainous terrain and the defensive structures of the Soviet troops remaining from 1941-1942. The line of defense began from the Belbek River and ended near Balaklava. In Sevastopol, the enemy had more than 72 thousand soldiers and officers, 1830 guns and mortars, about 50 tanks and about 100 aircraft. In April alone, the Germans transferred about 6000 manpower from the ports of Romania. The commander of the 17th Army, General E. Eneke, who did not believe in the possibility of holding Sevastopol, was replaced by Colonel General K. Almendinger. In his address to the troops, the latter wrote:

        “I received an order to protect every inch of the Sevastopol bridgehead. You understand its meaning. Not a single name in Russia is pronounced with greater reverence than Sevastopol ... none of us should even have the idea of ​​retreating to positions located in the depths ... The honor of the army depends on each meter of the assigned territory.

        The first attempt by the Soviet troops to take Sevastopol on the move on April 23 was unsuccessful. Then the regrouping and training of the Soviet troops began, which lasted until May 5. The seriousness of the preparation is evidenced by the fact that army commanders set tasks for corps and division commanders right on the ground, rather than on maps, while the same in turn also set tasks for lower commanders on the ground. The question was as follows: "If the offensive in your sector dies, you will be removed from your post and put down your membership card." During the preparation, reconnaissance was conducted in battle - enemy firing points were calculated, which were immediately suppressed by aircraft and artillery. Three ammunition was prepared for each weapon barrel
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 16 October 2013 22: 12
          +1
          On May 5, after intensified aviation and artillery training, the 2nd Guards Army launched an offensive on the Mekenziev Mountains.

          On May 7, a general assault began on the fortified area of ​​the enemy on the entire front. The main blow was inflicted on the section Sapun-gora - the height of the Mountain. Only in this intermountain could the tanks of the 19th tank corps pass. From here was the shortest route to Sevastopol and to Cape Fiolent and Chersonese, Kamyshovaya and Cossack bays - the places of the alleged evacuation of enemy troops. However, this site was the most fortified.

          Residents of the city recall that they experienced the greatest joy when they saw Soviet aircraft in the sky. According to their recollections, there was no free space in the sky. Living in the occupation, seeing in 1942 the heroic death of the defenders of the city, receiving information only from Goebbels propaganda, they could not imagine that in a short time the Soviet Union would be able to recreate a powerful army capable of defeating the enemy.

          Directly massif Sapun-mountains stormed parts of the Maritime Army. After heavy bombardment by aircraft and artillery bombardment, assault groups went on the attack. Assault groups marched in pairs - one with the battle went ahead, and the other without getting involved in the battle, went behind. When the first group was exhausted, the second went forward. The battle for Sapun Mountain was of particular fierceness. By evening, Sapun Mountain was taken. But the Germans did not accept the loss of a key point. Having regrouped their forces, at dawn on May 8 they launched a counterattack in the hope of knocking out Soviet troops exhausted by assault from Sapun Mountain. However, the Soviet command had already carried out the replacement of the strike groups with the newly approached units, and the counterattack was repulsed.

          With stubborn battles, units of the 2nd Guards Army on May 8, having knocked out the enemy from the Mekenziev Mountains, went to the Northern Bay.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 16 October 2013 22: 13
            +1
            May 9 at 8 o’clock in the morning began a general assault on Sevastopol. Parts of the 13th Guards Rifle Corps began forcing the North Bay. The offensive impulse was so high that when there was a shortage of swimming equipment, the soldiers began crossing the bay using improvised means. Even coffins generously stocked by German quartermasters were used. The 55th and 51st corps, circling the bay from the northeast, cleared the Ship side in a few hours. The 63rd, 10th, and 11th rifle corps broke into the city from the southwest. By the evening of May 9, Sevastopol was completely liberated.

            The remnants of the Nazi troops retreated to the Kamyshova and Cossack bays and to Cape Khersones, where the formations of the 51st Army and 19th Tank Corps were pressed to the sea. Attempts to evacuate the enemy were thwarted by aircraft and ships of the Black Sea Fleet. On May 12, Nazi troops were dropped into the sea.

            The inhabitants of the besieged Sevastopol recalled the horror that was happening at Cape Khersones - there was no water visible 100 meters from the shore - everything was littered with the corpses of enemy soldiers, horses, vehicles, and military equipment. The Germans, especially the SS men, as well as the traitors of the Motherland (there were a lot of Vlasov, policemen among the enemy troops on Khersones) preferred death in the sea to inevitable retaliation for their crimes. According to the recollections of the residents of the city who survived the occupation, they were not afraid of the NKVD, but ordinary soldiers, townspeople, because they knew that there would be no mercy for their bloody deeds. The invaders and their henchmen could not have dreamed of terrible dreams that they would have to repeat the tragic fate of the defenders of the city in the difficult year of 1942. At Cape Khersones, many civilians died, whom the Germans drove with the retreating units, hoping to hide behind them like a human shield. The Nazis drove some hostages even from the Kuban ...
  • Echo
    Echo 16 October 2013 21: 02
    +4
    Quote: retired
    Crimea - Russia! Ukraine, even if it goes where. In figs where ... Just not in NATO.

    One cannot be limited to Crimea. Little Russia and New Russia are waiting for deliverance from the criminal power! In no case should you leave the fosterlings of the Washington regional committee the Russian cities of Odessa, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Donetsk, Krivoy Rog. Yes, and Kiev, in which today Svidomotni per square meter has divorced so much that you wonder, MOTHER OF RUSSIAN CITIES, not Galician!
  • Kars
    Kars 16 October 2013 21: 04
    +2
    The article is ridiculous. From the facts, only that there will be a Summit at which they will discuss a free trade zone between Ukraine and Turkey)))

    About what to give, and what Yanukovych will give))))))) well, naive I’m full)) who do you think owns land plots, boarding houses in the Crimea?

    And so take and give)))))) Let the Turks first deal with the Kurds, Cyprus and Syria--
    1. svp67
      svp67 16 October 2013 21: 09
      +2
      Quote: Kars
      And so take and give))))))


      Where is Snake Island? For him, a lot of blood and soldiers and ink of Russian diplomats were shed at one time, who is WHOSE now?
      1. Kars
        Kars 16 October 2013 21: 11
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Where is Snake Island?

        Snake Island belongs to Ukraine, so it belongs to))) You dig a bit before you pickle bikes. I can also ask for Domansky.
        1. svp67
          svp67 16 October 2013 21: 18
          +3
          Quote: Kars
          I can know and ask for Domansky.

          No problem. we can answer that, according to previously signed agreements, the border with China runs along the FARVATER of rivers, and if earlier it passed closer to the Chinese coast, then this island and many others were rightfully considered ours, but the rivers in the Far East have changed, for a number of reasons, the strength its current in its branches and the fairway began to "nestle" on our bank, and accordingly the "border" with it. This was already known at that time, but for a number of reasons, mainly ideologically - political, the USSR held these islands for itself ...
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 16 October 2013 21: 23
            0
            Andrei, Seryogo hi. Andrei doesn’t know why on Zmein one of the beaches is called Gangster?
          2. Kars
            Kars 16 October 2013 21: 27
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            that according to previously signed agreements, the border with China passes along the FARVATER of rivers, and if earlier it passed closer to the Chinese coast

            Well, why so otmazyvatsa? Being on Domansky property (well, a boarding house) belonging to Yanukovych, he would still be in the composition.
            Quote: svp67
            at that time, but for a number of reasons, mainly ideologically and politically, the USSR held these islands for itself.

            And in our case, even the USSR claimed less than Ukraine received.
            1. svp67
              svp67 16 October 2013 21: 39
              -2
              Quote: Kars
              Well, why so otmazyvatsa? Being on Domansky property (well, a boarding house) belonging to Yanukovych, he would still be in the composition.


              The question of the islands on Argun, Amur and Ussuri remained unresolved even after the collapse of the Chinese and Russian empires. This led to armed clashes between the USSR and the PRC in 1968-69. The parties returned to active consideration of the issue of the border line after the change of leaders in the USSR and China. The new leaders of the countries M.S. Gorbachev and Jiang Zemin spoke in favor of resolving disputed issues through negotiations. The USSR reiterated its readiness to draw a border line along the fairway of navigable rivers and in the middle of non-navigable rivers. Working groups were formed that exchanged topographic maps, and were closely involved in controversial areas. It was possible to agree on the passage of the border line at 99% of its length. Unresolved issues remained on the islands of Tarabar and Bolshoi Ussuriysky near the city of Khabarovsk and the skeleton of the Bolshoi (Abagaytuy) on the Argun River. As a result, in May 1991 an Agreement was signed on the state border of the USSR and the PRC in its eastern part. The agreement was ratified after the collapse of the USSR by the Supreme Council of the new state - the Russian Federation, which, as the assignee of the USSR, assumed all the rights and obligations stipulated by the agreement.


              And if there were "Mr. Yanukovych's real estate" now, I think VVP would know what argument to bring in a personal conversation in favor of the Customs Union ...
              1. Kars
                Kars 16 October 2013 21: 44
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                And be

                I already said - do not otmazyvatsa. The fact-Domansky passed into the hands of the Chinese. By the way, are you sure that the Chinese hydraulic structures did not influence the channel then?
                and yes passed into the hands of the Chinese despite
                Quote: svp67
                and he has a lot of blood and the soldiers and ink of Russian diplomats in his time was shed, he is WHERE now?

                ))))))))
  • chushoj
    chushoj 16 October 2013 21: 16
    +1
    Yanukovych was a protege of the Kremlin, and pinned his hopes on the unification of the two Slavic peoples. With the help of the Fatherland and blow and other Maidan managed to persuade Ukraine on the path to a brighter future in the EU. In view of the true Yatsky situation, Yanukovych made a choice in the direction of personal enrichment, before giving Ukraine to a bright future. Now NATO requires the restoration of Soviet-era military equipment to the right level, the EU requires even more, including the restoration of the gas system to the required level. The EaP Summit will take place, but the EU has postponed the signing until November. It can be seen from all that the EU needs the territory of Ukraine, and preferably without the quick Ukrainian people. The government made a choice in favor of the Shock and the Fatherland not to go in the direction of the patsaks. Therefore, there is no need to interfere with the process, they themselves will figure it out. And in Belarus, the struggle continues with organized banditry and corruption.
    http://news.tut.by/society/370753.html
    1. Kars
      Kars 16 October 2013 21: 33
      +1
      Quote: chushoj
      Now NATO is demanding that Soviet-era military equipment be restored to the desired level,

      May I have a closer look?
      1. phantom359
        phantom359 16 October 2013 23: 21
        +3
        Quote: Kars
        Quote: chushoj
        Now NATO is demanding that Soviet-era military equipment be restored to the desired level,

        May I have a closer look?

        Can. Restore the old T64 and play the T80. Shooting is still leading. Already four months. On the one hand - wonderful. On the other hand, there was no money all the time for combat training, but now it’s just poured out of a cornucopia, and shells and fuel were found.
        1. Kars
          Kars 17 October 2013 10: 41
          +2
          Quote: phantom359
          Can. Restore the old T64 and play the T80.

          And now bring that this was done according to the NATO requirement. And by the way, where is the T-80 played for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. I don’t know a single part where they are used.

          Here it’s kind of customary to tell how NATO forces Ukraine to cut tanks.
          And as I said before the Great Russian local users - at first they loudly and arrogantly sympathize with the fact that Ukraine and the army do not, and will feed the invaders, etc., remember the number of troops under the USSR, and as soon as they improve, they immediately begin to whine that we are arming against them , peaceful and having no claims, ready to defend Ukrainian brothers at the first call.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 16 October 2013 21: 53
      +2
      Quote: chushoj
      Yanukovych made a choice towards personal enrichment,

      The West "divorced" the Ukrainian leadership "like kittens", - expert
      Political schizophrenia, which began around the release of ex-Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, could end in the failure of the summit in Vilnius and the inevitable political crisis in Ukraine, said the former head of the Committee of Voters of Ukraine Igor Popov, reports New Region.
      “The occurring schizophrenia will become clear if we look at the dynamics of Western statements. Perhaps we can conclude that the Ukrainian authorities in this situation were bred as kittens. In early September, Western statements were made, official and unofficial, plums of information that Europe was ready to sign an Association Agreement without resolving the issue of Yulia Tymoshenko. After that, President Viktor Yanukovych really begins a trade war with the Russian Federation, or, if you want, after he declares “our EU bid,” the Russian Federation begins a trade war with us, but we are breaking political relations with Russia ... After that, at the end of September “The tone of the West’s statements and statements of our opposition - that there is no roadmap that Yulia Tymoshenko is going for treatment — is already completely changing, only a pardon without any exceptions and so on,” Popov said.
      He believes that now Ukraine can neither join the Customs Union nor liberate Yulia Tymoshenko, since such actions will mean loss of face for the Ukrainian authorities.
      “And if the Association in Vilnius is not signed, a political crisis awaits us,” Popov said.
      http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/237680
      1. Cpa
        Cpa 17 October 2013 02: 02
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        After that, at the end of September, the tone of Western statements completely changes.

        Sometimes it seems that they are just amusing themselves.
  • Anton Nakhimov
    Anton Nakhimov 16 October 2013 21: 34
    +4
    Quote: netishunUA
    Ukraine will not give Crimea to anyone.

    You might think that it was you who liberated him from the Tatars and Turks .. Russian soldiers drove the Tatars out of there, protecting their borders from raids .. And Sevastopol defended in fierce defense, both in the war with England in 1853-1856, and during World War II. Not you (in the sense of Ukraine) built it, not you built the Black Sea Fleet, Sevastopol has never been and will never be a Ukrainian city !! Let me remind you how Crimea came to you: first, by decree of Khrushchev, as a gift to the fraternal republic, and then under Borka-Alkash, when the division of the territory took place .. You are only masters of paper, and in the event Ukraine joins the European Union, Russia has the right to make territorial claims because this agreement goes against the existing agreement between Russia and Ukraine on the commonwealth, concluded in the 90s and still in force ..
    1. morpex
      morpex 16 October 2013 23: 00
      +3
      Quote: Anton Nakhimov
      Russian soldiers knocked out the Tatars, protecting their borders from raids.

      Sorry Anton. Minusanul. Read the story. There are more Ukrainian bones there. The whole history of Ukraine is endless wars with the Tatars, then with the Turks, then with the Psheks ... No need to ascribe to myself that part of the glory that belongs to my ancestors .. .
      1. Anton Nakhimov
        Anton Nakhimov 17 October 2013 00: 47
        +6
        Quote: morpex
        Quote: Anton Nakhimov
        Russian soldiers knocked out the Tatars, protecting their borders from raids.

        Sorry Anton. Minusanul. Read the story. There are more Ukrainian bones there. The whole history of Ukraine is endless wars with the Tatars, then with the Turks, then with the Psheks ... No need to ascribe to myself that part of the glory that belongs to my ancestors .. .

        I do not attribute fame, do not belittle the role of Ukrainians, Ukraine has gone through a thorny path in history. Nevertheless, Crimea was liberated from the Tatars under the command of the Russians and in alliance with the Russians; I think that it makes no sense to deny it. In many respects, this is the merit of the Russian commanders and the aspirations of Prince Potemkin, when in 1783 Crimea became part of the Russian Empire. Nor is it worth denying the efforts made by Admiral Ushakov to build the Black Sea Fleet and to further push the Turkish fleet into the Black Sea.
        It should not be forgotten that the Russian Empire is Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. I am against hostility between Slavic peoples and I think that we should have a strong alliance, and not tear over territories. Together they conquered the Crimea, together they forged a victory over the Nazis, together they built the USSR ... you can list endlessly. The brothers need to be friends) and for the last 20 years we only know that we will be dog
        1. morpex
          morpex 17 October 2013 19: 28
          0
          Quote: Anton Nakhimov
          I am opposed to hostility between the Slavic peoples and I believe that we should have a strong alliance, and not tear over territories

          But for this Anton would give you a dozen pluses. But unfortunately I can only one .. Respekt! hi
        2. xan
          xan 17 October 2013 21: 57
          0
          Quote: Anton Nakhimov
          I am opposed to hostility between the Slavic peoples and I believe that we should have a strong alliance, and not tear over territories

          Lord Ukrainians and Belarusians want an equal union. This is how to create a joint-stock company, where there are two beggars and one with funds, and everyone has equal shares. And the masters of the Ukrainians also seized property at the previous separation. As a Russian, I don’t need such an alliance. In such an alliance, everything will happen at the expense of Russia - no one else has money. And then listen to all sorts of nonsense from the brothers. I do not need such unions.
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 18 October 2013 00: 07
            -1
            Quote: xan
            As a Russian, I don’t need such an alliance. In such an alliance, everything will happen at the expense of Russia - no one else has money. And then listen to all sorts of nonsense from the brothers. I do not need such unions.

            Write this to Putin and Lukashenko in an open letter, clown (forgive me for the truth)! Maybe they will listen to YOUR "authoritative" opinion) But in real life, they wanted to lay down on YOUR opinion (both, with a parting, you are no one to them and call you a khan, some kind of person on the forum ...)
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 17 October 2013 09: 58
        +2
        Quote: morpex
        Do not ascribe to yourself that part of the glory that belongs to my ancestors ...
        But now the Ukrainian government, with the support of a fairly large part of the population, Whose glory is it trying to try on? Is it Mazepa with Judas and Herostratus to the pile? The deeds of glorious ancestors are now not interesting to today's descendants, OTHER they now have "heroes" - Bandera and Shukhevych ... request
        1. morpex
          morpex 17 October 2013 19: 33
          +1
          Quote: Misantrop
          OTHER they now have "heroes"

          You correctly noticed it. AT THEM. And we, and such a large part, they, heroes, the former ...
      3. xan
        xan 17 October 2013 15: 46
        +1
        Quote: morpex
        Sorry Anton. Minusanul. Read the story. There are more Ukrainian bones there. The whole history of Ukraine is endless wars with the Tatars, then with the Turks, then with the Psheks ... No need to ascribe to myself that part of the glory that belongs to my ancestors .. .

        One famous teacher said - in order to clean something, you need to dirty something, but you can stain everything in the world without cleaning anything. Ukraine is the second option.
        Your ancestors would still butt with the Tatars and Poles, if not for Russia. Or rather, they would have disappeared from the historical scene, like the Prussian Slavs.
        1. morpex
          morpex 17 October 2013 19: 40
          0
          [quote = xan] One famous teacher said - in order to clean something, you need to stain something, but you can stain everything in the world without cleansing anything.
          Good idea .. Philosophical ...

          [quote = xan] Ukraine - the second option. [/ quote]
          You will not get it...
          [quote = xan] Your ancestors would still butt with the Tatars and Poles, if not for Russia. Or rather, they would have disappeared from the historical scene, like the Prussian Slavs. [/ Quote]
          I do not belittle Russia's merits. I just ask you to take into account the fact that the Ukrainians also made a significant contribution to the wars to conquer the Crimea. That's all. Got it?
  • voliador
    voliador 16 October 2013 21: 43
    +3
    Yanukovych puts a point to the geyropeytsami, and he will also be handed over to the Turks by the ball - and the saloids will be torn to the British flag.
    1. peter_shchurov
      peter_shchurov 18 October 2013 08: 54
      -3
      voliador
      point substitutes
      the Turks will stick on the ball


      You constantly think about buggers and say, probably?
      This is a bad sign, often speaks of latent passive homosexuality in humans.
      often using without reason such expressions.
      Here, by the way, there are many of them on the forum. I would not like to say bad things about people, but you can’t hide the dubious signs
  • KRAT
    KRAT 16 October 2013 21: 49
    +6
    Quote: a52333
    Yanukovych - Ukrainian Gorbachev?

    Rather, Mazepa.
  • godun
    godun 16 October 2013 21: 50
    +2
    Is it not too expensive a fee for Ukraine, for the dubious pleasure of becoming a stepson in the European Union, which also owes something to everyone.
    I would like to remind my colleagues on the site who consider the Ukrainians "our brothers" as Slavs. Firstly, they are not ours, they are their own, and secondly, there are not so many people in Ukraine as we would like to consider us "ours. I do not deny that we have a common history, that in spite of everything, we are fraternal peoples , but to our great regret it often happens that brothers fight with each other, fiercer than strangers ...
    The imperial ways of distant relatives of Ostap Bender are not entirely clear. Perhaps reducing the flow of our tourists to them by two-thirds and drawing the attention of Mr. Onishchenko to the quality of Turkish goods, it would help to moderate the ambition of the Janissaries.
  • GastaClaus69
    GastaClaus69 16 October 2013 21: 51
    +5
    Erdogan apparently wants to restore the Ottoman Empire, because of this and with Syria, graters are permanent. Ah, the Turks forgot how the Cossacks walked under the walls of Istanbul !!
    1. xan
      xan 17 October 2013 15: 51
      +2
      Quote: GastaClaus69
      Erdogan apparently wants to restore the Ottoman Empire, because of this and with Syria, graters are permanent. Ah, the Turks forgot how the Cossacks walked under the walls of Istanbul !!

      The Cossacks with the Crimean Tatars were not able to figure out where they were before the Turks.
  • Boris63
    Boris63 16 October 2013 22: 14
    0
    Yanukovych, not having achieved "privileges" from the Russian Federation, decided to play the card of the European Union, in the hope that the Russian Federation would urgently "come running" to persuade with promises, did not work. Now, I’m probably not happy myself. Crimea will not be Turkish, even though the Russian Black Sea Fleet "stands" there until 2040 (as a NATO member, this is only a headache for them). Tatarva herself will run away from Crimea when the "real" work of the EU commissioners begins, as residents of the baltics (farm laborers in Europe).
  • mr.Man
    mr.Man 16 October 2013 22: 34
    0
    Quote: GastaClaus69
    Erdogan apparently wants to restore the Ottoman Empire, because of this and with Syria, graters are permanent. Ah, the Turks forgot how the Cossacks walked under the walls of Istanbul !!

    The Cossacks in general were bandyuki, such as pirates in the Caribbean or brother-in-arms, were at one time, then the Cossacks appeared like organized crime groups, and the Russians visited Constantinople back in 860 at first ...
    1. GastaClaus69
      GastaClaus69 16 October 2013 23: 10
      +3
      Bandiukas are not bandiuks, but how many Christian people have been saved from captivity, for which they are famous.
      Quote: mr.Man
      and near Constantinople the Russians visited back in 860 at first ...

      Well then, at least the Greeks were sitting there, and not these just from the steppe riding on horses without saddles and horseshoes.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 16 October 2013 23: 16
        +3
        Quote: GastaClaus69
        Bandiukas are not bandiuks, but how many Christian people have been saved from captivity, for which they are famous.


        Everything was. Someone was saved, and some of their fellow believers were taken as a barren and sold into captivity through the Crimea.
  • serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 16 October 2013 23: 03
    +2
    And let Yanukovych fuse the West, unite and will travel to the Crimea together. Only then will there be nothing to discuss on the forum. And for Crimea, citizens of the Russian Empire, the USSR shed a lot of blood and God forbid Russia and Ukraine!
  • alex25
    alex25 16 October 2013 23: 08
    +6
    He served in the army in 1991-93, we still have Ukrainians and Belarusians. Belarusians served up to the end, and Ukrainians left for their homeland to serve. They argued with us, they said that all the fat was devoured. Then they cried in letters; it was not sweet to serve in the independent. We told them then about gas and oil, about a single industrial complex and agriculture, about access to the market and so on, and they told us about FAT. You know, funny and sad, still.
    1. Technocrat
      Technocrat 17 October 2013 10: 36
      0
      He served near the glorious city of Kharkov in 95-97 years, 20 percent of the draft was from RUSSIAN !!!! oblasts, the children did not want to fight for their homeland and die shamelessly in Chechnya, it is normal that everyone took the military oath of allegiance to the Ukrainian people, they didn’t murmur that the oath was “mov”, their parents came, there were also no objections that they were serving in the army of the “non-state”, although for the sake of objectivity, I must say that two of my fellow soldiers at the end of 98 through the Lugansk regional military registration and enlistment office also went to serve in the Russian army. People are different.