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Europe is trying to understand what it wants from Gazprom: either love or warm

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Europe is trying to understand what it wants from Gazprom: either love or warmThe EU’s policy towards Russian gas exports has recently been somewhat schizophrenic. On the one hand, the EU methodically inserts sticks into the wheels of the Russian exporter: (1) threatens with a fine of 15 billion, (2) has not yet resolved issues with the full load of Nord Stream, as a result of which Gazprom suffers losses ) EU countries all the time asking for discounts on gas. On the other hand, Western analytical structures regularly produce materials that state that Europe’s dependence on Russian gas will only increase. This, for example, is explicitly stated in a recent report (albeit not by a European, but by an American bank) BofA Merrill Lynch.


The reasons are standard: own production falls, Middle Eastern LNG is redirected to more lucrative markets. Algeria is also increasing LNG exports to Asia, thus reducing pipeline deliveries to southern Europe. Even with the stagnation in the economy, fuel begins to be missed. And in the winter, let's face it, even with a slight decrease in Russian supplies, Europe will simply freeze.

As such seemingly mutually exclusive things get along in the heads of European officials, it is not for us to judge, but for specialists in a completely different field. We would like to discuss plots related to gas pricing in Europe and Gazprom’s policy in this regard.

So, the main argument of the EU: exchange platforms reflect the market situation. And because prices must be tied to them. But, as you know, small volumes of gas are traded on such sites. And the main import takes place under long-term contracts.

Why are prices on spot markets not growing (say, approaching Asian), if there is a shortage? But there is no shortage (considering the availability of Russian gas). As the EU countries buy the necessary volumes of gas under long-term contracts, including with Russia. It became profitable after Gazprom provided discounts so that its prices were close to European spot market quotes. Now the prices for European gas hubs do not reach the level of 400 dollars per thousand cubic meters. About this figure, Gazprom brought its European prices by giving 10 – 20-percent discounts.

Vicious circle? Partly.

And now imagine that Gazprom rested and did not provide discounts. What would change? First, of course, Russian exports are falling, although some of the volumes would still have to be purchased. Exchange prices are rising. Part of the LNG is deployed from Asia to Europe. But, of course, Europe is not reaching Asian gas prices, the European economy is simply falling into a new recession.

With known flaws, some market indicators of prices exchange gas trading still provides. For example, it is the prices on the exchange gas market that partly reflect the marginal cost of gas in the case of gas – coal competition in thermal power plants. European electricity generation and so barely maintains the current gas prices.

So, higher gas prices would lead to the destruction of the gas market itself and the new recession. Including why Germany, as well as Italy, Gazprom provided discounts in the first place. And it's not just that they are big buyers. These are large industrial gas consumers.

The situation is similar to the plot with high oil prices in 2008, when the world economy could not bear the price under 150 dollars per barrel and a recession began (of course, this was not the only reason).

Therefore, there is a certain logic in the actions of Gazprom. With a low price for his gas, he actually keeps the European economy afloat. But Russia is also winning, as a recession in Europe would have hit us. First of all, oil prices would have decreased.

At the same time, compared with Asia (where gas is at 600, and not at 400 dollars per thousand cubic meters), the price in Europe seems to be too low. That is, 400 is the marginal price for the European market with its fiscal and budgetary system. A little exaggerating, we can say that Russia subsidizes Europeans for their way of life, supplying relatively cheap gas.

Why do we think that in the first place is Europe? Because Russia earns relatively little on European gas exports.

Last year, all Russian gas exports (together with the CIS and Turkey) amounted to 62 billion. Or just 18% of total oil and gas exports. Or about 12% of all Russian exports. In general, it is not a secret that the main export revenues come from oil. And gas - the question is more political. But Russia, we repeat, is in the black at the expense of high oil prices, due, among other things, to the more or less functioning EU economy.

It is clear that the European Union is interested in maintaining Gazprom's discounts. Perhaps at the moment it is really the best solution that suits everyone.

More surprising is that, instead of realizing its benefits, the EU is trying to "squeeze" Russia to the maximum. Explaining this policy is difficult. But you can. The fact is that the critical importance of Russian supplies is not so obvious. Therefore, right now the European Commission has the last opportunity to bargain with Gazprom at least some concessions. Then dictate your rules just will not work.
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  1. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 16 October 2013 15: 19
    21
    Europe knows what it wants, it wants to use the liberal defeat in Russia and the compradors in power to the fullest.
  2. domokl
    domokl 16 October 2013 15: 23
    14
    Gazprom’s task now is not just to sell, but to buy back European companies in the bud and become a monopolist in Europe, for which you can temporarily donate part of the profit.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 October 2013 15: 56
      +7
      Quote: domokl
      Gazprom’s task now is not just to sell, but to buy European companies in the bud and become a monopolist in Europe

      And then the next energy package will be accepted into the EU and all Gazprom purchases will be outlawed.
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 16 October 2013 16: 51
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And then the next energy package will be accepted into the EU and all Gazprom purchases will be outlawed.

        And will remain without gas.
        1. Serg 122
          Serg 122 16 October 2013 19: 27
          +3
          And will remain without gas.

          And "Gasprom" without profits
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 16 October 2013 16: 29
      +5
      Gazprom’s task now is not just to sell, but to buy back European companies in the bud and become a monopolist in Europe, for which you can temporarily donate part of the profit.

      European antitrust law strongly discourages this.
      Which is correct.
      Any monopoly is rotting.
      Well ... transport assets cannot be bought - legislative restrictions. You can marketing networks of course. But ... they also need to be able to manage, and this Gazprom, judging by the pace of gasification and the working conditions of Gazprom in our regions, does not shine. Those. There are no competitive advantages, it is politically risky. From here - why?
      To complete gas pipelines, continue to develop work on the LNG market, it may start a business in the Russian Federation built on increasing the degree of gas processing (petrochemicals there, plastics, etc.)
      1. timer
        timer 16 October 2013 21: 56
        +1
        That’s precisely the maximum gas processing in the Russian Federation in order to produce products of the second and third redistribution. I consider it the main task for Gazprom. Stupidly, it will be able to drive gas to Europe. And how many settlements we have where there is no gas, and many more projects with you can realize the gas inside the country (for example, in tansport). Rotten authorities are not able to do anything clever, just drive the raw materials to the west and plunder the proceeds from it. Why raise your industry, let it die.
        And with regards to principle, any energy project in the world is connected with a politic. actions. And sometimes to share where the benefits are politic. or economical. hard.
      2. bif
        bif 17 October 2013 01: 00
        0
        Quote: cdrt
        European antitrust law strongly discourages this.
        Which is correct.

        Really, that is. Gazprom is investing in the construction of all sorts of lines, at which it invests gigantic funds (commensurate with the GDP of some EU countries), including credit, to fulfill long-term contracts so that the relatively small profit will gradually pay off the construction of the "pipe".
        And the gentlemen from the EU decided to "preach" and remove Gazprom from the management of the "pipe" built by it ... One can understand justice if the company's costs were compensated, but no ... they just adopted amendments to legalize theft ... .e. expensive Gazprom pull pipes to us at a loss, and we will also demand a discount on the already cheap gas every year.
        1. bif
          bif 17 October 2013 01: 57
          +3
          Everything is learned in comparison - you called a taxi, naming the destination of the trip, you were told the price and you agreed. But sitting already in the car, you start DEMANDING a discount, and then just tell the taxi driver, "Buddy come out and go for a walk, I'll steer where I need to" ... to put it mildly ridiculous behavior ... and now imagine yourself in the place of a taxi driver who owns the car ...
          I am more struck by the patience and attempts of Gazprom to compromise, but this is a state-owned company ...
          If the gentlemen from the EU would try to "squeeze", say, an oil rig, a platform or an LNG terminal built by all sorts of Shell-BP and the like, there would be noise and aircraft carriers would quickly be driven to enlighten the "naive nationalizers" and the prices in contracts would immediately change upward.
    3. rolik
      rolik 16 October 2013 16: 37
      +8
      Quote: domokl
      Gazprom’s task now is not just to sell, but to buy European companies in the bud and become a monopolist in Europe

      They won’t let him do it, they also understand very well that they will be completely on a leash and a strict collar with us. One can only advise Miller, in the most severe European frosts, to portray a terrible force majeure with suddenly broken equipment. And so that it breaks for 7 days like this, then, shaking with blue noses, the Europeans will not only do everything that Gazprom wants from them, but they will also give Miller a medal for saving Europe.
      1. vadson
        vadson 16 October 2013 20: 41
        +2
        Quote: rolik
        Quote: domokl
        Gazprom’s task now is not just to sell, but to buy European companies in the bud and become a monopolist in Europe

        They won’t let him do it, they also understand very well that they will be completely on a leash and a strict collar with us. One can only advise Miller, in the most severe European frosts, to portray a terrible force majeure with suddenly broken equipment. And so that it breaks for 7 days like this, then, shaking with blue noses, the Europeans will not only do everything that Gazprom wants from them, but they will also give Miller a medal for saving Europe.

        but you don’t think that in Europe there is gas in the storage facilities and they will not freeze, but for the penalty we’ll buy another gas
        1. Egen
          Egen 17 October 2013 07: 27
          0
          Quote: vadson
          but you don’t think that in Europe there is gas in storage

          Exactly, somewhere on the Gazprom website I met in the reports there was a map of underground storage facilities both in the Russian Federation and in Europe. Stability of supply is one of the main conditions and advantages.
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 16 October 2013 20: 46
        +1
        Quote: rolik
        One can only advise Miller, in the most severe European frosts, to portray a terrible force majeure with suddenly broken equipment. And so that it breaks for 7 days so

        We’ll go broke ... Nizzya! Fines!
        1. bif
          bif 17 October 2013 02: 13
          +1
          The fines still need to be forced to pay ... like a forfeit. But there will definitely be a loss, because investments in gas transmission and gas production projects and their payback are calculated taking into account just the profit from long-term contracts ... therefore, only asymmetric trade sanctions - Dr. Onishchenko quickly prescribes therapeutic enemas to clean the brains of the most shrill ...
      3. timer
        timer 16 October 2013 22: 04
        0
        Yes, Gazprom doesn’t have to buy any assets. In addition to these same assets, it will be necessary for governments to buy them so that they don’t make unnecessary gestures. And there’s not enough money for that. I think that we should develop liquefied projects to fasten to Gazprom gas, other projects (i.e. operate comprehensively), and not stupidly drive raw materials.
        It would not be bad to feel competitors (mechanisms to be found). Because energy is politics.
        1. Egen
          Egen 17 October 2013 07: 41
          0
          Quote: timer
          in order to fasten the europus to Gazprom, it is necessary to develop projects for liquefied gas and other projects (i.e. to operate comprehensively

          This is how it is done. In addition to the LNG plant on Sakhalin, which is actually not ours anymore, but Shell, we already practically have ours in Yamal. There is the Gazflot company, which has and will have more LNG tankers. There are gasification programs in most regions (completed over the past 2-3 years and are being implemented little by little); Gazprom Gazomotornoye Toplivo was created, which began to accumulate assets for refueling subsidiaries and create a program to expand the use of gas as fuel; in ... if I remember the Novgorod region from memory, a pilot project on gas fuel was launched.
          But.
          Unfortunately, not everything is so quick and easy.
          In our Kuzbass for several years now, the idea of ​​transferring BelAZ trucks to LNG. But since there is no normal gas engine in nature - neither here nor abroad. BelAZ promises a serial gas engine (either Caterpillar or Cummins, I don’t remember) to bring and install only in 2015. KamAZ has just made a purely gas engine, and not a fig gas-diesel engine, but we have not tested it in our conditions, I won’t say an estimate.
          But most importantly, this is all very expensive business. The same Urengoy-Uzhgorod gas pipeline was built in the USSR by the whole country. And billions of dollars were thrown into the gas pipeline to China. And if in an amicable way, how much is needed for the entire infrastructure ... this is comparable to the country's annual GDP :)
          And still ...
          Just recently showed a new polypropylene plant opened. Type to replace imported. There is a factory - ... a lot :). I do not know the prime cost on it, but not so long ago I myself transported both PP and PE, and similar raw materials from China. Moreover, often obtained from our own primary - oil, gas, caprolactam and so on. In China, it is cheaper because of lower costs (due to the cost of fixed assets, communal services, labor - yes, in all respects). Therefore, it is not a fact that this polypropylene will all be missed at a cheap price. To do this, impose tariff barriers to China. But it’s not so simple either. he, too, can do disgust in response, and yet, we now have the WTO ...
    4. old rocket man
      old rocket man 16 October 2013 17: 21
      +7
      Quote: domokl
      Gazprom’s task now is not just to sell, but to buy back European companies in the bud and become a monopolist in Europe, for which you can temporarily donate part of the profit.

      This is precisely what Europe does not allow to do, as you recall. The EU is blocking such transactions and, in general, is in every way preventing the penetration of Russian capital into European markets.
      A STRATEGIC TASK FOR YOU ABSOLUTELY TRUE, you need to make the European economy work for Russia drinks
      1. avt
        avt 16 October 2013 17: 51
        +2
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        And the STRATEGIC TASK posed by YOU IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE, it is necessary to force the European economy to work for Russia

        request Once, after the Civil, forced, not free of course. But where to get such a strong-willed leadership that sets the task - to jump over 10 years, otherwise they will crush and fulfill the promise? While we can only listen about something that is not 37 years old ....
    5. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 16 October 2013 17: 28
      -5
      Quote: domokl
      donate part of the profit.
      1. bif
        bif 17 October 2013 03: 36
        0
        As I understand mathematics, you know ... you love citing official sources and know how to look for them, so if you use these skills, you will find out that Gazprom received tax breaks for participating in investment projects ... of which there were hundreds from 2007 to 2012 from huge nationally and politically significant such as "Nord Stream", "South Stream", "Sakhalin-2", the development of the Yamal Peninsula ... up to subsidies from Rosatom or crediting the creation and deployment of a constellation of satellites Yamal, etc. ... the simplest example: investments only for 2008 amounted to more than 800 billion. rubles ...
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 17 October 2013 11: 33
          0
          Quote: bif
          Gazprom received tax breaks for participating in investment projects ..

          You yourself are not funny?

          The essence and meaning of investment activity in subsequent profit making, and you say that tax benefits are also relied on for making a profit.
          Benefits can indeed be provided for the initial period (this is normal), but Gazprom's tax benefits are permanent.
          1. bif
            bif 17 October 2013 21: 11
            0
            1. Investments by private companies are aimed at making a profit, which state-owned company Gazprom invests in various national projects and state projects, as well as in non-core areas ... often such investments are unprofitable and have a long payback period, so the state reduces the cost of the company by reducing the tax. ..
            2. Once again, the mathematics of elementary school ... a year Gazprom invests about 800bn.rub ... where should he get this money from profit after taxes ...
            3. Your idols subsidize All companies that produce shale gas in the United States, and the amount of subsidies is more than 70% from the very beginning to the present. And no one really blames about the losses of the state.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 17 October 2013 23: 12
              0
              Quote: bif
              ... often such investments are unprofitable and have a long payback period, therefore, by reducing the tax, the state compensates the costs of the state company ...
              Could you please name a few "low-profit" and "long-term" investment projects of Gazprom laughing

              Once again, the mathematics of elementary school ... in a year Gazprom invests about 800 billion rubles ... where should he get this money from profit after taxes
              read article

              And no one really blames about the losses of the state.
              What is interesting - you have no idea about my idols negative
    6. pensioner
      pensioner 16 October 2013 20: 45
      +1
      Quote: domokl
      Gazprom’s task now is not just to sell, but to buy European companies in the bud and become a monopolist in Europe.

      What he actually does ... Do not give only the full ...
  3. morpogr
    morpogr 16 October 2013 15: 23
    +3
    What will happen to Europe if the golfstream weakens or moves in the other direction, and scientists are already openly talking about it because they don’t even have firewood.
    1. alone
      alone 16 October 2013 16: 09
      +8
      Gazprom will open a subsidiary company "Drovprom" and start sending firewood from Siberia to Europe through pipes wassat
      1. Simon
        Simon 16 October 2013 16: 27
        +2
        And we will sell firewood more expensive than gas. lol
        1. old rocket man
          old rocket man 16 October 2013 17: 23
          +2
          Quote: Simon
          And we will sell firewood more expensive than gas. lol

          They are already more expensive. laughing, and Russian Railways generally get rich laughing laughing
      2. Orel
        Orel 16 October 2013 16: 54
        +2
        Instead of the "gold" and "dollar" standard, a "wooden" standard will appear ...
      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 16 October 2013 20: 45
        0
        Quote: lonely
        Gazprom will open a subsidiary company "Drovprom"

        And in the institutes will appear the faculty of lumberjacks. laughing
        1. old rocket man
          old rocket man 16 October 2013 21: 01
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: lonely
          Gazprom will open a subsidiary company "Drovprom"

          And in the institutes will appear the faculty of lumberjacks. laughing

          For a long time there is a Forestry Engineering Academy in St. Petersburg, the only university in the world of this profile.
          They will instantly count and justify laughing laughing
    2. SPACE
      SPACE 16 October 2013 16: 55
      +4
      Quote: morpogr
      What will happen to Europe if the golfstream weakens or moves in the other direction

      That's why Putin built the Nordstream laughing
  4. Russ69
    Russ69 16 October 2013 15: 30
    +2
    Europe is trying to understand what it wants from Gazprom: either love or warm

    What ...? What ...? Freebies .... !!!
    Quote: domokl
    Gazprom’s task now is not just to sell, but to buy back European companies in the bud and become a monopolist in Europe, for which you can temporarily donate part of the profit.

    In order to prevent this from happening, the EU came up with the Energy Charter.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 16 October 2013 16: 35
      +1
      In order to prevent this from happening, the EU came up with the Energy Charter.

      No, they came up with it to increase competition between gas producers.
      Actually, we have good experience in the first half of 2000. Where transport was separated from production (Transneft), there was quite serious competition for oil producers, where Gazprom was not separated, there was nothing of the kind.
      Now it’s true that competition was killed in the oil industry laughing
  5. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 16 October 2013 15: 36
    +8
    yes, yes, "... I don’t understand what you’re going to heat with? You don’t want gas, you don’t develop nuclear power ... why are you going to heat with firewood? Well, firewood must also go to Siberia ..." ... Putin.
  6. Lech from our city
    Lech from our city 16 October 2013 15: 43
    +3
    Euurope brothers need a freebie.
    And she’s a freebie in AFRICA freebie.
  7. alexng
    alexng 16 October 2013 15: 47
    +6
    Quote: Lech from our city
    Europe is trying to understand what it wants from Gazprom: either love or warm


    She wants a pill. With them you can only on harsh conditions. They do not understand another language.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 16 October 2013 17: 28
      +1
      Quote: alexneg
      Quote: Lech from our city
      Europe is trying to understand what it wants from Gazprom: either love or warm


      She wants a pill. With them you can only on harsh conditions. They do not understand another language.

      That’s for sure, a Jew can only be killed with a penny, although the ruble is more reliable laughing
  8. piotr534
    piotr534 16 October 2013 16: 05
    +5
    The EU is trying to “squeeze” Russia to the maximum. Explaining this policy is difficult. But it is possible. The fact is that the critical importance of Russian supplies is not so obvious. Therefore, right now, the European Commission has the last opportunity to bargain any concessions from Gazprom. Further, dictating your own rules will definitely not work.
    Absolutely right. All these dances with a tambourine in the form of a shale revolution and EU energy packages have only one purpose, to convince Russia that Europe can do without it, but they could only convince Ukraine of this. Europe is rightly afraid of Russia's increasing influence on EU policy with economic leverage. And this is for them the main nightmare. crying laughing
  9. Stiletto
    Stiletto 16 October 2013 16: 12
    0
    Somehow Voennoye Obozreniye is becoming more and more similar to the Expert magazine what
    1. Gunsmith
      Gunsmith 16 October 2013 18: 54
      +1
      And here they’re not particularly stupid going. And what is most important for them is the ability to analyze. + corridor formation - you can’t hear enough of the current in a smoking room!
  10. treskoed
    treskoed 16 October 2013 16: 13
    +3
    So inside Russia, so much territory is not gasified! I live in the regional center and pay exorbitant prices for liquefied gas! Maybe Europe will wait a year or two, while we solve the domestic problems? You look and speak differently!
    1. bairat
      bairat 16 October 2013 17: 12
      +1
      trunk gas is also expensive, and the price is rising almost every quarter. national treasure pancake.
    2. Gunsmith
      Gunsmith 16 October 2013 19: 02
      +1
      In general, an incomprehensible policy - from my summer house to the 3-4 meter pipeline, and to connect - 72 thousand, at least. Order a project (!) - put a parser with a counter. His pipes, naturally. Personally, I have to weld or crash into a low-pressure gas pipeline and extend the corrugated hose to the house - several hours of work (with excavation digs) ...
      1. bairat
        bairat 16 October 2013 19: 15
        +1
        We have one organization undertook to conduct gas in the country community. Laying along the alley, project, putting into the house, in total it turned out about 150. I decided that for this money it would be better to drown with firewood.
        1. Egen
          Egen 17 October 2013 07: 50
          0
          Quote: bairat
          We have one organization undertook to conduct gas in the country community. Laying along the alley, project, putting into the house, in total it turned out about 150.

          You have VERY cheap ... we have 150 only with pensioners, with the rest - more, however, they give installments ...
          ... and where do you have geographically, which city? We have Siberia ...
    3. Egen
      Egen 17 October 2013 07: 48
      0
      Quote: treskoed
      So inside Russia, so much territory is not gasified! I live in the regional center and pay exorbitant prices for liquefied gas! Maybe Europe will wait a year or two, while we solve the domestic problems?

      So these are different things :)
      Europe pays for gas - sell and get money.
      And before you need to pull the pipe - i.e. you need to spend money, but where to get it? :)
      ... In addition, you need to understand who will do this:
      - Gazprom is responsible for gas production (subsidiaries - Gazprom Dobycha ...), for transportation (Gazprom transgaz ...) and distribution within the region (Gazprom Mezhregiongaz ... Your City) - directly to industrial enterprises or GDS of the city / village.
      - and then the construction of intra-settlement, etc. gas distribution networks - according to the law, financing and everything else is the matter of municipalities. Well, they don’t understand much money ....
  11. VladimS
    VladimS 16 October 2013 16: 39
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: domokl
    Gazprom’s task now is not just to sell, but to buy European companies in the bud and become a monopolist in Europe

    And then the next energy package will be accepted into the EU and all Gazprom purchases will be outlawed.

    You can buy not only specialized or related enterprises. And as China is buying up almost all over the world, real production.
  12. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 16 October 2013 16: 46
    0
    This winter is predicted to be very cold in Europe:
    Europe is trying to understand what it wants from Gazprom: either love or warm

    Most likely the second is to "warm up". Winter will put everything in its place.
  13. SPACE
    SPACE 16 October 2013 17: 16
    +1
    In general, Gazprom has the right policy. The Japanese, for their own money, proposed Gazprom to build a pipe to Japan, while Putin refused, citing ecology and seismology, but promised to build an LNG terminal in Vladivostok with Japanese money. Very smart and far-sighted! The pipe will go only to Japan and no longer where, but LNG built with their own money can be transported even to China, even to the USA.
  14. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 16 October 2013 17: 19
    +4
    In 5 years "Altai" will be built and ... "let's goodbye." If they don’t want it on good terms, we will be “capitalistically” - the stock exchange will decide - everything will be on the stock exchange - only gas will go to Asia, Norway will quietly drop in production to almost zero, and Algeria will ask to explain who supported the “Arab revolutions” from the Europeans. So "The last laugh is the one who has the bullets left."
  15. 31231
    31231 16 October 2013 17: 20
    +2
    Good article. Short and capacious. And very accurate.
  16. WIN969
    WIN969 16 October 2013 17: 30
    0
    If Europe decides to throw Gazprom, then I think this winter it is necessary to cut off gas supplies for a month for educational purposes.
    1. treskoed
      treskoed 16 October 2013 18: 34
      0
      Quote: WIN969
      If Europe decides to throw Gazprom, then I think this winter it is necessary to cut off gas supplies for a month for educational purposes.

      Or use the main caliber - ONESHCHENKO! Everyone will precipitate!
      1. Gunsmith
        Gunsmith 16 October 2013 19: 08
        0
        If the fraternal Ukrainian people on the eve of joining (or upon joining) the geyropu begins to divide the gas lines between themselves, Gazprom and Europe - this will be approximately the case, gas pumping will stop.
  17. Igor62
    Igor62 16 October 2013 17: 37
    0
    Quote: domokl
    Gazprom’s task now is not just to sell, but to buy back European companies in the bud and become a monopolist in Europe, for which you can temporarily donate part of the profit.
  18. 528Obrp
    528Obrp 16 October 2013 17: 54
    0
    There is one quote that characterizes the nature of Gazprom's work.
    "- this is not quite a business. It is the soul of the Russian government, in which patriarchal kurkul culture, geopolitical ambitions, 'social orientation' and a cynical commercial acumen are intricately intertwined."
    The backbone of the family economy: why Gazprom is mega-efficient
    http://www.forbes.ru/mneniya-column/konkurentsiya/240578-hrebet-semeinogo-hozyai

    stva-pochemu-gazprom-megaeffektiven
  19. darksidewarrior
    darksidewarrior 16 October 2013 18: 23
    -1
    feces can also be drowned. in Europe this good will last for a long time.
    1. Gunsmith
      Gunsmith 16 October 2013 19: 11
      0
      Voinovich * Moscow 2024 * remembered? * Who gives the secondary product - he eats excellent! * --Gee, you can still import from Africa through the Mediterranean Sea - under this slogan!
  20. Vital 33
    Vital 33 16 October 2013 18: 43
    0
    Gazprom employees are officially allowed to be photographed on all documents SMILE !!!)))
  21. put
    put 16 October 2013 20: 08
    0
    For any injection, this is a nuisance but a necessity. And then an injection with such a gas needle ....
  22. 31231
    31231 16 October 2013 21: 07
    +1
    Quote: old rocket
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: lonely
    Gazprom will open a subsidiary company "Drovprom"

    And in the institutes will appear the faculty of lumberjacks. laughing

    For a long time there is a Forestry Engineering Academy in St. Petersburg, the only university in the world of this profile.
    They will instantly count and justify laughing laughing

    Oh oh ?! We have a ladder in Eburg. Yes, and in Russia I think there is still.
  23. Budilnik
    Budilnik 16 October 2013 22: 17
    0
    For every negative against Russia you need to twist the tap a little
  24. Freelancer7
    Freelancer7 16 October 2013 23: 35
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    In my opinion this is not a schizophrenic position, but a tough policy hidden behind diplomatic behavior. Threats, criticism, scandal, demand for discounts, and repeatedly. They do not like to be dependent on us, but they cannot refuse. This is what drives them crazy. And if you add such injustice as ownership of Siberia (Albright), then it is clear why their nerves are losing. I would recommend Gazprom to include in the gas supply agreement a clause on a possible temporary (for a couple of weeks) gas cut-off, so that we can clearly explain that in vain they saw the branch on which they sit. They will not want to consume gas - let them return to coal, just the Greenpeace European offices will find work.
  25. ZU-23
    ZU-23 17 October 2013 07: 19
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    oh yes the rainbow is really bad, but they all work out)))
  26. Egen
    Egen 17 October 2013 08: 04
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    The situation with Europe is not so simple. Clearly, everyone wants discounts, but in order to demand, you really need to present some arguments. Europe has LNG. With its massive importation, the Gazprom pipe is understandable ... it will become cheaper :)
    But, you need to understand 2 things:
    1) LNG is a logistics system for delivery and supply. This requires a large infrastructure - liquefaction plants (and not one!), A lot of tankers, storage facilities, a distribution and distribution system, regasifiers. Going from a pipe to LNG - at least in full, at least in part - a lot of work, people.
    2) The main thing is very big grandmas ... well :)