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War is a cure for rot

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War is a cure for rot

“Since evil deeds will be inculcated in people,” was predicted in the posthumous broadcasts of Rev. Neal the Peacemaker, “they will also find calamities on them.”


The holy righteous John of Kronstadt wrote: “The world is in a state of slumber, of a sinful sleep, asleep. God wakes him with wars, pestilence, fires, storms, devastating earthquakes, floods, crop failures ... The Lord, as a skilled doctor, subjects us to various temptations, sorrows, illnesses and troubles, to cleanse us like gold in the furnace ... Russian people and others the tribes inhabiting Russia are deeply corrupted, it is necessary to burn temptations and calamities for all, and the Lord, who does not want to perish to anyone, burns everyone out in this furnace. ”

The third book of the prophet Ezra (another ecclesiastical title of this book is the Apocalypse of Ezra) tells about the time of the final wars and other terrible disasters: "... Then my chosen ones will come to the test as gold is tested by fire" (3 Ride 16, 74). The Lord pity us without end, but what if we can give some kind of sparks, some kind of holy fire, only when misfortunes, catastrophes, diseases, wars strike us ... The theme of purification and spiritual ascension as a result of wars was well revealed by F. M. Dostoevsky in his essay "Paradoxalist" ("Writer's Diary", April 1876). Here are the main ideas of the "paradoxalist" about the benefits of war:

“The wild idea that war is a scourge for humanity. On the contrary, the most useful thing. Only one kind of war is hateful and truly pernicious: it is an internecine, fratricidal war. It kills and disintegrates the state, it always goes on too long and makes people revived for centuries. But political, international war brings only one benefit, in all respects, and therefore it is absolutely necessary. "

“The lie that people go to kill each other: it never happens in the foreground, but, on the contrary, they go on to sacrifice their own lives - that’s what should be in the foreground. This is completely different. There is no higher idea how to sacrifice your own life, defending your brothers and your fatherland or even simply defending the interests of your fatherland (cf. John 15, 13: “There is no more that love as if someone puts his soul for his friends”. - Sacred . BUT.). Without generous ideas, humanity cannot live, and I even suspect that it is precisely for this reason that humanity loves war in order to participate in a generous idea. There is a need. ”

“Who is discouraged during the war? On the contrary, everyone is immediately encouraged, everyone is uplifted, and they do not hear about ordinary apathy or boredom, as in peacetime. And then, when the war is over, as they like to remember about it, even in case of defeat! And do not believe, when everyone, meeting each other, speaks to the war, shaking their heads: “Here is a misfortune, here we have lived!” This is just one propriety. On the contrary, everyone has a holiday in the soul. You know, it is terribly difficult to confess other ideas: they will say, “the beast, the retrograde, will be condemned; they are afraid of it. Nobody will dare to praise the war. ”

“Generosity perishes during periods of long peace, and instead of it are cynicism, indifference, boredom, and many — many that malicious mockery, and then almost for idle amusement, and not for business. Positively it can be said that the long world hardens people. In the long peace, a social advantage always goes over to the side of everything that is bad and coarse in humanity - the main thing is wealth and capital. Honor, philanthropy, self-sacrifice are still respected, still valued, they stand high now after the war, but the longer the peace goes on - all these beautiful generous things turn pale, dry up, die, and wealth, acquisitions seize everything. Only one hypocrisy remains at the end - the hypocrisy of honor, self-sacrifice, duty, so, perhaps, they will also be respected, despite all the cynicism, but only in red words for form. There will be no real honor, but formulas will remain.

Honor formulas are death of honor. A long world produces apathy, low thoughts, debauchery, dulls the senses. Pleasures do not become thinner, but grow coarser. Coarse wealth cannot enjoy magnanimity, but demands the pleasures of the more ambitious, more intimate to the cause, that is, to the direct satisfaction of the flesh. Pleasures become carnivorous. Voluptuousness causes sensuality, and voluptuousness is always cruelty. You just can not deny all this, because you can not deny the main fact: that a social advantage during a long world always in the end goes to gross wealth. "

“Science and art develop exactly in the first period after the war. War renews them, refreshes, causes, strengthens thoughts and gives impetus. On the contrary, in a long world and science stalls ... If there were no war in the world, art would have died down completely. All the best ideas of art are given by war, struggle. ”

“Christianity itself recognizes the fact of war and prophesies that the sword will not pass until the end of the world: it is very wonderful and amazing. Oh, no doubt, in the highest, in the moral sense, it rejects war and requires brotherly love. I myself will be the first to rejoice when swords are piled on plowshares. But the question is: when can this happen? And is it worth it now to unmask swords into plowshares? The present world is always and everywhere worse than war, so worse that it becomes even immoral at the end to support it: there is nothing to appreciate, absolutely nothing to save, it is ashamed to save. Wealth, the rudeness of pleasure give rise to laziness, and laziness gives rise to slaves. To keep slaves in a slave state, it is necessary to take away from them free will and the possibility of enlightenment. After all, you can not not need a slave, whoever you are, even if you are the most humane person? I also note that in the period of peace, cowardice and dishonesty take root. Man by nature is terribly inclined toward cowardice and shamelessness, and he knows this perfectly well about himself; That is why, perhaps, he so longs for war, and so he loves war: he feels medicine in it. War develops brotherly love and unites nations. ”

“War is refreshing people. The philanthropy of all is most developed only on the battlefield. It is even a strange fact that the war is less annoying than the world ... Remember, did we hate the French and the British during the Crimean campaign? On the contrary, it seemed as though they had come closer to them, as if they had even intermarried. We were interested in their opinions about our courage, caressing their prisoners; our soldiers and officers went to the outposts during the truces and almost embraced the enemies, even drank vodka together. Russia read about it with pleasure in the newspapers, which did not interfere, however, it was great to fight. The chivalrous spirit developed. And about the material disasters of the war I will not speak: who does not know the law, according to which after the war everything is resurrected by force. The economic forces of the country are excited ten times, as if a thundercloud shed a heavy rain over the parched soil. To those who suffered from the war now and all help, whereas during peace the whole regions may die of hunger before we scratch ourselves or give three rubles. ”

“War raises the spirit of the people and their self-esteem. War equates all during the battle and peaces the master and slave in the highest manifestation of human dignity - in sacrificing life for a common cause, for all, for the fatherland. Do you really think that the masses, even the darkest masses of men and beggars, do not need the need for an active manifestation of generous feelings? ... The mutual feat of generosity generates the strongest connection between inequalities and classes. The landowner and the man, fighting together in the twelfth year, were closer to each other than in his village, in a peaceful manor. War is a reason for the masses to respect themselves, and therefore the people love war: he lays down songs about war, he listens to legends and stories about her for a long time ... shed blood is an important thing! No, war is necessary in our time; without war, the world would have collapsed, or at least it would have turned into some kind of mucus, some kind of muddy slush contaminated with rotten wounds ... ”
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  1. Syrzhn
    Syrzhn 15 October 2013 10: 50
    34
    War is a "medicine" for life! And also a means to get a lot of infectious diseases and severe disability.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 11: 01
      54
      The author has a severe hangover after a long binge. We do not need a war .......... Especially now. He also dragged the bible, Moodle. am
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 15 October 2013 11: 06
        15
        you don’t see that the author of his opinion did not say. the whole text is in quotation marks.
        but why is it here, it is not clear
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 15 October 2013 12: 31
          19
          From the whole article, I only liked the picture - the rest is slag.
          I have not seen more than one person really happy that he was in the war.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 15 October 2013 14: 26
            18
            Quote: lelikas
            From the whole article I only liked the picture


            The article is more consistent with the painting of the Russian artist Vasily Vasilyevich Vereshchagin "The Apotheosis of War"


            The inscription is made on the frame: "Dedicated to all the great conquerors - past, present and future."
          2. Valery Neonov
            Valery Neonov 16 October 2013 07: 31
            0
            Those who are behind the "barricades" are not vulnerable even in war ..
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 15 October 2013 11: 08
        27
        As it is sung in the song - "War-medicine against morshyn". I was in the war myself. It is a paradoxical situation - only there you appreciate every second of life, and on the other hand, there is a disregard for death. Like, "they will kill so kill"
      3. netMolotov
        netMolotov 15 October 2013 12: 52
        34
        Ingvar 72- The author has a severe hangover after a long binge.

        I will say more - there has recently been an article about how Leningraders died of hunger during the blockade - and especially the children! If, according to the author, this is rot, then let GOD cleanse the earth from it. Amen!
      4. Very old
        Very old 15 October 2013 12: 59
        +3
        Ingvar 72. I noticed 4 minuses to your remark. I did not expect so many Mars fans to meet
      5. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 15 October 2013 13: 42
        +5
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        The author has a severe hangover after a long binge. We do not need a war .......... Especially now. He also dragged the bible, Moodle


        Well, you’re right, this is a great wise man who philosophically loves loving ... To be honest, such clever people need to be put in a trench under the artillery bomb in the crayfish of military exercises, and then see how they sing .. if of course it survives.
      6. gorgo
        gorgo 15 October 2013 14: 04
        +4
        The author is Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky. To say "muddle" about him is to sign your own ignorance. I suggest that you think about his words better ...
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 15 October 2013 14: 12
          12
          Quote: gorgo
          The author is Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky. To say "muddle" about him is to sign your own ignorance.


          Did he also write the third book of the prophet Ezra? Read carefully. This is a collection of quotes.

          And to be honest, for me, a simple fisherman is a hundred times more important than all the great writers and thinkers combined. How blasphemous it does not look in your eyes. And Christ did not come to philosophers with their bully brains, but to ordinary people with simple thoughts and hopes
          1. alex-cn
            alex-cn 15 October 2013 14: 49
            +1
            And Christ, unfortunately, said: "I did not bring you peace, but a sword"
            1. Very old
              Very old 15 October 2013 14: 53
              +7
              However, he put a different meaning in his words
            2. Vadivak
              Vadivak 15 October 2013 15: 02
              +9
              Quote: alex-cn
              And Christ, unfortunately, said: "I did not bring you peace, but a sword"


              The phrase is taken out of context further in the text and everything will become clear "Whoever loves a father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and whoever loves a son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me; and who does not take his cross and follow By me, he is not worthy of Me "Here is the sword that separates the bonds of kinship, attachment to everything earthly, pleasures, wealth, passions, hence the struggle, both bodily and spiritual
              1. Very old
                Very old 15 October 2013 15: 46
                +1
                It seems YOURS will not reach someone
      7. Sosed74
        Sosed74 15 October 2013 16: 07
        +1
        No. There is something in this - a share of truth.
        Judge for yourself - all progress, almost all technical and scientific achievements - from a baton, a bow, a crossbow, a gun, and ending with an atomic bomb and lasers - are the product of war. Product - aimed at destruction.
        There would be no war - there would be no progress. For why then try to invent rockets, spaceships. Need a motive. And he is - not to be destroyed or to destroy the weaker. All the advanced technology and development people get from the defense industry. The best minds are there.
        Man is a Predator by nature. wassat
        And if you really want to philosophize - then why else did God create 4 races ???
        Yes, to fight. Wars were, are and will be - as long as there are different states, different peoples, races and religions. There will always be one to whom there will be little.
        1. bogumil
          bogumil 15 October 2013 18: 23
          +7
          Here is not a fraction, but the truth as it is.
          You don’t have to go far to prove it. Read any topic proposed on this resource and follow the comments. How many lies, boasts and hatreds !!. Lies are a separate big topic. For more than a century it has been the main culprit of all Russia's ills. Everyone is literal. Therefore, we will move it aside for now. You can’t tell about this in comments. It requires a multivolume study. But self-love and self-praise are just dumb edges))). And it’s like a man’s resource, but they entertain themselves like children. There is no sober look , there is no rationality, but just a calm and reasonable discussion of something. And when it comes to peoples and countries that in one way or another oppose or simply disagree with the policies or arguments cited by Russia, then aggression and hatred are over the edge. Well, come on, what peacekeepers are all suddenly, what peace fighters)))))).
          It’s useless to prove or explain something to the local people - almost everyone here has a bullet in their head driven by ideology, cliches, or self-interest. But there are few mercenary people who are immediately visible. But they simply don’t bother to think, comprehend, imagine that the world is much wider and more varied than their world, then there are 99 percent)).
          1. DimychDV
            DimychDV 16 October 2013 08: 08
            0
            Lying is a completely human quality. Remember in Zhvanetsky: "trams are slowing down, people are scattering at the entrances, doors are slamming, a panic crush in the entrance halls - a PRRDLOVER is walking down the street! Go tell your friend what she is doing in his absence! legs in their house will not be! ".

            And the race is not much to do with it. In the USSR, all those peoples lived well, to which there are so many claims now. And people went on vacation to resorts, even to the Caucasus, even to Central Asia, even to the Carpathians.
            Another thing is that they were not finalized with these peoples under Khrushchev and Brezhnev.
            Stalin still said after the war: we have no theory, and without it we will perish.
            So they died.
            Because the supreme political commissars ruled according to "Capital" and Lenin's PSS a century or half a century ago. And when something is wrong somewhere - the workers (this is the hegemonic class!) Shut their mouths with tanks, and inform the press that everything is fine.
            These top political officials betrayed the Revolution and "merged" the country.

            And uncles with gray tired eyes, passionately chasing after excessively smart students, slammed the most important traitors ... After all, my acquaintances were expelled from universities because of unreliability claims, but in the army they were not afraid to trust the posts of secretaries and ZAS signalmen!

            Of course, it doesn’t matter when the KGB makes decisions instead of power; this information should be a tool. But where are the guards against treason in the highest echelons of power? Democracy? Oh, do not tell. It was in authoritarian power schemes that such fuses were the most reliable.
            It can be seen that a revolutionary situation has really ripened, when the "upper circles" did not want to live in the old way. And the lower classes could no longer live in the old way.

            For what power were the people proposed to intercede in 1991? Which fighters "did not send to Afghanistan"? Which three "" ras with sobriety clocked? Did you issue the law on cooperation in the same year as the law on unearned income? ..
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 19: 34
          -1
          Quote: Sosed74
          There is something in this - a share of truth.

          That's it, share.
      8. Sosed74
        Sosed74 15 October 2013 16: 14
        0
        Not for rest we were born on this planet - the author is absolutely right.
        There will always be diseases, hunger, natural disasters, catastrophes, killers, drug addicts, drunks, and simply people with an extremely low IQ. wassat
        It is - laid down by nature or by those who settled here / created us from what was. wassat
        Another question - WHY ?????
        Human being will not end in anything good. There will be either the destruction of everything and everything with + nuclear weapons, or a global catastrophe. And then - again - the Stone Age.
        And after 2-5.000 years - the descendants of the surviving people will dig up the ruins of cities and concrete structures - and be amazed - what progress did those who built it have !!! Wow - flew through the air. wassat In general - like right now - we are amazed at the pyramids, stone hedges and other artifacts. All this has already happened - and not just once. And it will be again.
        Meaning???
        1. Sosed74
          Sosed74 15 October 2013 16: 19
          -3
          Most likely that - that everything is EVIL - and comes from this very progress.
          But then (without progress) - we would not be any different from animals - we would eat raw meat and go in skins. Lived in caves.
          In general - humanity is a virus. Extremely dangerous for himself and the planet. The disease is extremely difficult to treat.
          Therefore, we must progress, fight, kill - and so on until we kill ourselves. wassat
          1. Sosed74
            Sosed74 15 October 2013 16: 39
            +3
            Put a minus - you don’t have much mind - you argue - am I wrong in something ???
            I don’t think that among those gathered here - all peaceful premium people. Peaceful people will not be enthusiastic about adopting new Nuclear Missiles. And I think everyone here would be happy - if tomorrow the American continents came ****** along with all its inhabitants.
            Look at things realistically. Do not be hypocritical. None of you will turn the other cheek on the blow - but almost all will respond with a blow in the face.
            This is the meaning of war - and the reason for the start of all wars.
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 15 October 2013 16: 57
              +4
              Quote: Sosed74
              Do not be hypocritical. None of you will turn the other cheek on the blow - but almost all will respond with a blow in the face.

              No need to distort. The answer is yes. But the overwhelming majority will never strike first. Well, they did not bring up the aggressors in the USSR. But if you answer the aggressor, yes, I agree. And on preventive measures, too. I do not agree only with the fact that we are too easy-going, never exterminate the enemy "to the feet." Then we pay dearly for this. In general, our mentality is well reflected in the words of the old song: "We are peaceful people, but our armored train is on the side track."
              1. Sosed74
                Sosed74 15 October 2013 18: 40
                0
                Well, for that matter - the article is not only about those born in the USSR. This is actually about the whole human tribe.
                It turns out - Toko we are - and peaceful on the whole planet. And the rest - the whole story - only do what they fight and kill. I'm right? Right! The whole history of mankind is thoroughly saturated with the blood of wars, inquisition and other BDSM delights.
                Well, we - Russians - of course - Saints !!! Who argues that. Peacefully snapped 1/6 of the land. Learn - America. laughing
                We are Russian - in the waist narrow !!!
                1. chehywed
                  chehywed 15 October 2013 20: 14
                  +2
                  Quote: Sosed74
                  I'm right? Right!

                  good Well done! I asked myself and answered myself. And there is no one to object. laughing
              2. lyuboyan
                lyuboyan 16 October 2013 01: 50
                0
                revnaganу: and you, apparently, did not understand anything from Dostoevsky. Like most of those present. After all, Fyodor Mikhailovich also says that people, in general, go to war not to kill, but to defend (s). And there are many more deep thoughts in this collection of quotes from Dostoevsky and the Bible. It is difficult to unequivocally evaluate the article. The question immediately comes to mind: Would Dostoevsky not have changed his attitude to the issue of war if he had lived to see World War I, not to mention the most terrible war, the Great Patriotic War of 1-1941? And then, my friend, well, you can't reduce the entire philosophical, historical, universal, universal problem to the Soviet Union and clichés about aggressors and "peaceful armored trains"! That’s not about that. I’ll tell you straight away, in order to avoid controversy over the question of "who is who," I also come from the USSR. I love my homeland, I don’t hate and don’t spit on the past. But, I repeat, this is not about that. And about the fact that there has always been and is the concept of the Holy War. This is about such a war, it seems. and it says.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 19: 47
              +2
              Quote: Sosed74
              Put a minus - you don’t have much mind - you argue - am I wrong in something ???

              From the point of view of Nietzsche's philosophy, you are right about 100. "You see, the enemy bowed his head before you - chop it off." A purely western point of view. In Russia, they always said, the sword does not cut the guilty head. War has only one justification. This is the protection of your right to life. Pre-emptive strikes fall within this definition if the threat is unconditional. The defeat of the Khazar Kaganate by Svyatoslav is an example of this. PS There are many examples, I just like this one better.
              1. chehywed
                chehywed 15 October 2013 20: 00
                +2
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Preventive strikes fall within this definition if the threat is unconditional. The defeat of Svyatoslav by the Khazar Khaganate is an example of this.

                Given how many years the Khazars have been tormenting Russia with their raids, then I would call it an action to force peace ... laughing
            3. patriot64
              patriot64 15 October 2013 21: 35
              +1
              "19. Who will damage the body of a neighbor
              of his own, that must do the same that he did:
              20. fracture after fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth;
              as he did damage to the human body, and
              he must do. "Bible, Old Testament," Leviticus "(Book of Exodus, chapter 21)
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 22: 28
                +1
                Quote: patriot64
                . "Bible, Old Testament," Leviticus "

                I would not refer to the Jewish code of conduct. hi
            4. Slavogor
              Slavogor 16 October 2013 07: 14
              0
              All you write correctly, "to understand good, know evil" but this is only at the level of a person who thinks in terms of the 20th and early 21st centuries. But when a person goes beyond the boundaries that are defined for him by these concepts, it turns out that the war that he needed to wake him is no longer needed because the amount of information and the speed of its processing allows this war "between good and evil" to be carried out by the person himself without involving external forces ... wink
          2. DimychDV
            DimychDV 16 October 2013 08: 21
            0
            Perhaps the biological path of civilization development would be the best choice? When did the cows and the whales themselves swim by the whistle to give milk to the afflicted? And the highest philosophical wisdom was postponed in each at the genetic level in the form of summarized and generalized truths - without everyone's desire for this SELF: I don’t know a damn thing about atomic weapons, but you need to insert your bent five cents on the forum ...
        2. Gado
          Gado 15 October 2013 16: 34
          +2
          Only the one who created us knows the meaning, although from our point of view there is no meaning.
        3. sleepy
          sleepy 16 October 2013 02: 38
          +2
          Quote: Sosed74
          "... There will be either the destruction of everything and everyone with + nuclear weapons, or a global catastrophe. And then - again - the Stone Age.
          And after 2-5.000 years - the descendants of the surviving people will be
          dig up the ruins of cities ... ".


          About nuclear war in the past from the Internet.
      9. zart_arn
        zart_arn 15 October 2013 23: 39
        0
        Turn to the law
        Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 354. Public calls for a war of aggression
        1. Public calls for an aggressive war -
        shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of up to three hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the convict's salary or other income for a period of up to two years or by imprisonment for a term of up to three years.
        2. The same acts committed using the mass media or by a person holding a public position of the Russian Federation or a public position of a subject of the Russian Federation, -
        shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of one hundred thousand to five hundred thousand rubles, or in the amount of the convict's salary or other income for a period of one year to three years, or by deprivation of liberty for a term of up to five years with deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to three years old.

        In general, the author is a complete scumbag in the phase of autumn exacerbation and it is time for him to go to the hospital, otherwise see Article 354 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 15 October 2013 11: 08
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      Quote: Syrzhn
      War is a cure for rot


      It would be nice for the author to heal by personal example from rot in Dachau or Buchenwald, for example, and not to drag the prophecies of the saints about the war to his Nazi schizophrenia

      the same figure once declared

      "War is the natural state of man."
      A. Hitler






      1. huut
        huut 15 October 2013 12: 23
        +3
        Quote: Vadivak
        It would be nice for the author to heal by personal example from rot in Dachau or Buchenwald, for example, and not to drag the prophecies of the saints about the war to his Nazi schizophrenia

        The author cannot heal, for he has long been dead. People, what place do you read the article in?))

        The theme of purification and spiritual ascent as a result of wars was well disclosed by F. M. Dostoevsky in his essay Paradoxist (The Writer's Diary, April 1876). Here are the main ideas of the "paradoxist" about the benefits of war:


        In this article, the main content is taken from the classic and a small fraction of religious figures. The author of the article is a compiler, his personal words are here 0.1%

        It turns out that the "muddle" is Dostoevsky. Isn't that right, Ingvar?)

        Do not, guys, tie your hands when you sit down at the computer - get married as smart)

        A difficult topic, not for here, but the comments are amazing)
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 15 October 2013 12: 37
          +8
          Quote: huut
          .People, what place do you read the article in?)) The author of the article is a compiler


          Just don’t get rid of a hedgehog, it’s clear that people, pulled other people's thoughts, mixed them out of context and spat out

          Quote: huut
          A difficult topic, not for here,)


          And how is it that you are so clever conceived before us? Has your vinaigrette been published for an hour?
        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. Ustas
          Ustas 15 October 2013 12: 44
          +9
          Quote: huut
          The author cannot heal, for he has long been dead. People, what place do you read the article in?))

          This refers to the author of this collection of quotes.
          The article is clearly provocative, and expresses thoughts and errors. Even among great thinkers, opinions throughout life have changed many times.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 15 October 2013 12: 56
            +5
            Quote: Ustas
            Even among great thinkers, opinions throughout life have changed many times.


            And as it affects itself so the theory will immediately cease to contradict practice
        4. 202 rp
          202 rp 15 October 2013 12: 54
          +8
          In this article, the main content is taken from the classic and a small fraction of religious figures. The author of the article is a compiler, his personal words are here 0.1%

          It turns out that the "muddle" is Dostoevsky. Isn't that right, Ingvar?)

          Do not, guys, tie your hands when you sit down at the computer - get married as smart)

          A difficult topic, not for here, but the comments are amazing) [/ quote]

          I totally agree.
          Dostoevsky wrote during the war of liberation of the peoples of Europe from Turkish rule. There is another war, there are different emotions, there is different heroics. There, people are morally different.
        5. cdrt
          cdrt 15 October 2013 12: 59
          +7
          Do not, guys, tie your hands when you sit down at the computer - get married as smart)

          A difficult topic, not for here, but the comments are amazing)


          0. About not for probably agree here laughing it’s more familiar here - friend or foe, and borderline thoughts do not find support
          1. pull quotes (even pieces of text taken out of context) can be from anyone
          2. The reaction is caused by the fact that the author took up this
          3. I did not clearly show my position in my own words, it means I expressed solidarity with the jerky quotes, so I expressed my thought by compiling other people's words
          4. and if this is either a tongue-tied, but odezhdy ChSV, or a stupid person or an almost stupid person, if he sincerely believes in what he writes (not a curse, in any case, a statement of the IQ level in the region of 70) laughing
        6. Bober
          Bober 15 October 2013 17: 25
          -2
          Not even Dostoevsky’s business. I agree with you huut (+), although those who have minded you rely on the realities of today or not so long history. If we consider this as a cleansing, we need to determine the basis, otherwise such secondary (primary) elements as profit and business from the war cross out the very idea of ​​discussion in the bud. Simplistically, one has to go out and fight one on one with swords so that both sides will be wiped out with blood, for I will launch a bomb and turn entire nations into a state of the Stone Age; this is not a cleansing, but rubbing hands from floating preferences. Yes, and in ancient times, the goal of war is to gain profit, therefore, purification is already a side process. It is impossible to formulate it in such a way that it would suit everyone and the discussion should go in mutual respect for the opinions of everyone, because one incorrect emotional attack of one of the participants will put an end to the construction of evidence-based logic. Unfortunately, the Moderator emasculates the text without paying attention to the fact that the Russian language is capacious even in a very concise form, which is his skate. What is written from the heart and deleted, has to be rewritten mechanically. I apologize for the many letters.
      2. Sosed74
        Sosed74 15 October 2013 16: 34
        -5
        Quote: Vadivak
        "War is the natural state of man."
        A. Hitler

        He was right. No matter how sad it is.
        1. 755962
          755962 15 October 2013 23: 15
          +1
          I was at war ... I don’t want anymore!
          We must think about our future .... about children!
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 16 October 2013 01: 58
            +1
            After the First World War, many who returned from the front
            didn’t want to fight anymore, dreamed of a peaceful life,
            but it didn’t work out - the Civil War began.
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    4. GSH-18
      GSH-18 15 October 2013 11: 24
      +1
      Quote: Syrzhn
      War is a "medicine" for life! And also a means to get a lot of infectious diseases and severe disability.

      Or play two meters underground!
      What good is it when people kill each other? belay
      The author is beguiled. Why is this article here?
    5. Val_y
      Val_y 15 October 2013 11: 40
      -2
      "War, the cause of the young, a medicine against wrinkles" - V. Tsoi
    6. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 15 October 2013 12: 01
      10
      The author of the article is an apologist for war! Maybe he should look at military photos for brainwashing, although it is unlikely to help, there is no cure for stupidity.
    7. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 15 October 2013 12: 15
      +9
      The author is sick all over. War is the heyday of the lowest. Robberies, raped children, people crushed by tanks. Horror and blood!

      THE AUTHOR NEEDS TO TREAT IN DURK or go to Syria. Let it be cleaned from rot there !!! am
    8. cdrt
      cdrt 15 October 2013 12: 52
      +2
      author -> author -> author - stupid person. What else to say.
      Playing a war game is a stupid person.
      And it doesn't matter if the text is in quotation marks or not. The very desire to place such a text is given by d.
    9. Very old
      Very old 15 October 2013 12: 55
      +2
      And yet: during the Crimean War ... came closer. Lord, yes, with the fascists in 41-45 came even closer. AUTHOR, is there a couple to sign up for a psychiatrist?
    10. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 15 October 2013 14: 08
      +7
      The author is a follower of fascist ideology. And he is wrong - as a rule, this same rot in the war hides behind the backs of comrades. But brave and worthy people lose their lives!
    11. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 October 2013 14: 20
      +7
      war is the work of the young: a cure for wrinkles ... (column CINEMA). war is the real destruction of the gene pool, the best and strongest lay their heads ...
    12. il grand casino
      il grand casino 15 October 2013 14: 29
      +4
      Lord ... the author with the head (and whether there is one at all) is clearly not at ease ... war is a cure for rot. As if in the first battle, on machine guns, all the rot under their banners will go. The best will go - the best will die. And most of the rot will remain ...
      How can Hitler with his statements not be remembered .. Also, he liked to philosophize ...
    13. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 15 October 2013 20: 20
      +3
      I apologize in advance for the swearing in the song, but it's about WAR ...

    14. olegff68
      olegff68 15 October 2013 23: 14
      0
      Mdayayaaa.
      Judging by the logic of the afftor, SyShyA is the most healthy country in the world. wassat !?!? He is always at war, not on his territory, for "political" reasons.
      In the course of someone aggravation!
    15. Siberian German
      Siberian German 16 October 2013 03: 15
      +1
      by someone I was slightly hanging reading this heresy - it seems to Hitler that heresy is like that we will be cleansed in the fire of a world fire, etc. etc.
    16. Civil
      Civil 16 October 2013 06: 09
      0
      War is a failure, author do not write more
  2. alone
    alone 15 October 2013 10: 52
    25
    War is a terrible thing. I do not want to be a participant in the war.

    “The war refreshes people.


    war kills people. and above all the very best
    1. catapractic
      catapractic 15 October 2013 11: 14
      +6
      that's it, but the rot remains
    2. Very old
      Very old 15 October 2013 23: 05
      +1
      Lonely, do not go to war. And I won’t go. I don’t want to kill you. And you me?
      1. alone
        alone 16 October 2013 11: 11
        0
        God forbid that we fight against each other. I do not want this.
  3. Andrey57
    Andrey57 15 October 2013 10: 56
    11
    The author of this garbage opus should still be "treated" somewhere in Syria, Afghanistan or elsewhere in the "resort areas", for example, Africa, may be "cured of rot during a long peace" completely. hi
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 15 October 2013 13: 09
      +3
      She ... there is certainly such a class of people - "Indians".
      These people cannot find themselves in a peaceful society, only in war.
      Moreover, as the disease progresses, they can only live in war (an example is well shown in the Hurt locker movie).
      But they usually do not write articles, and do not admire the war because there is nothing to admire (dirt, pain, death, ugliness and mutilation).
      So the author - "... it would be better to drink and smoke ..." laughing
    2. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 16 October 2013 14: 56
      0
      let rest in DRC X)
  4. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 15 October 2013 11: 03
    +9
    Is it a provocation, or translation of propaganda from French, English and German to brainwash its population before the First World War. I'd rather reread the Remarque and remember my late grandmother, who said: "The main thing is that there is no war."
  5. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 15 October 2013 11: 06
    +2
    Andrey57 (1) SU , You directly stated my thoughts, when I read, I also wanted to give him a "flag in his hands"!
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 15 October 2013 17: 50
      +1
      And what, suddenly "minus"? Solidarity with the author, they themselves do not want to "undergo treatment" (on the advice Andrey57 (1) in hot spots? Who wants to accelerate "progress" by the method of war, there is no reason to sit next to the to-that, it is necessary to collect the thing-bag, and on the WAY, TO THE "HOT" PLACES, AND LOOK THERE, AND the "illness" WILL PASS ... ... if it has time. ...
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 15 October 2013 18: 06
        +1
        Quote: ia-ai00
        Who wants to accelerate "progress" by the method of war, there is no reason to sit near to-that, it is necessary to collect a thing-bag, and on the WAY, TO THE "HOT" PLACES,

        good
        Yes, Olga.
        And a tablecloth dear to philosophical lovers of war. Let them slurp it in buckets for the most "I don't want" to "I can't"
        yes

        As a prize bonus, I can share with such ... well, for example - the secret of removing subcutaneous ticks.
        wink
  6. a52333
    a52333 15 October 2013 11: 06
    +8
    Not. let's decide to the end. If they attack us then yes . In this minus we are looking for +. We will clear ourselves, fight, and unite. Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword. angry
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 15 October 2013 13: 11
      +6
      He who comes to us with a sword will perish by the sword

      A better version for someone in the signature saw:
      -Come to us with a sword, do not regret it laughing

      Only now, if the attack is not cleansed, the best will die more than others.
      Given the demography - the offspring will be given by the survivors (i.e., the offspring will be raised far from the best, but the most tenacious)
  7. waisson
    waisson 15 October 2013 11: 07
    +4
    fight a sick person
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 15 October 2013 16: 00
      +4
      Well, in vain the Internet was spent on the little cottage.
  8. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 15 October 2013 11: 08
    +9
    What a nonsense! Moreover, under a Christian sign with quotes of apocrypha and clerics.
    But what about Christ (and not some people there): "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God. You have heard what the ancients said: do not kill, whoever kills is subject to judgment. But I tell you that everyone who is angry with his brother in vain is subject to judgment; who will tell his brother : "cancer", subject to the Sanhedrin; and who will say: "foolish", subject to fiery hell, "Huh?
  9. My doctor
    My doctor 15 October 2013 11: 09
    +5
    Minus. I read it up to the word "endlessly" and did not go further.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 15 October 2013 17: 01
      +1
      Quote: MyVrach
      Minus. I read it up to the word "endlessly" and did not go further.

      Tochno.Russkim language like an ax. In short, even that "author".
    2. dry off
      dry off 15 October 2013 19: 15
      +2
      Not using the letter "C" is a sign of devil denial smile
  10. 1goose3
    1goose3 15 October 2013 11: 11
    +4
    The author is a client of Kashchenko, definitely. fool
  11. catapractic
    catapractic 15 October 2013 11: 13
    +5
    the author sat up at the computer and played with strategy, it can be seen in the army, and even more so in the war he was not. Bullshit
  12. pahom54
    pahom54 15 October 2013 11: 18
    +3
    Note that in this spirit of reasoning about the war people usually write who have not been to it and not thinking that war is primarily about dirt and death. I have not met philosophers of this kind among people passing Egypt-Angola) avgan-Chechnya and the like ...
    Any war - in the understanding and comprehension of human life - is death and evil, and there is no need to talk about its purifying fire, supposedly - all this is verbiage ...
    Article - Three Stakes and Four Minuses
  13. pahom54
    pahom54 15 October 2013 11: 18
    +2
    Note that in this spirit of reasoning about the war people usually write who have not been to it and not thinking that war is primarily about dirt and death. I have not met philosophers of this kind among people passing Egypt-Angola) avgan-Chechnya and the like ...
    Any war - in the understanding and comprehension of human life - is death and evil, and there is no need to talk about its purifying fire, supposedly - all this is verbiage ...
    Article - Three Stakes and Four Minuses
    1. Beps
      Beps 15 October 2013 12: 26
      -4
      Dostoevsky didn’t really fight, but he went through hard labor, and he met dirt and death there. As for contemporaries, you obviously didn’t communicate much, if at all, with military officers, except with rear rats. There are extreme scumbags, such as D. Davydov quoted below, there are normal servants, the backbone and the base of the army and navy. But such officers grow exclusively out of guys who consciously chose the MINISTRY and who did not and did not have illusions about their possible fate. Timidly hide a fat body in the cliffs - about you, not about them.
  14. Alex66
    Alex66 15 October 2013 11: 30
    0
    Maybe once written was fair, but not now. Now the director will not fight shoulder to shoulder with the worker, even if he wants, in the event of a nuclear war, many will not have time to understand anything, the collapse of the infrastructure will plunge people into hunger, cold, and unsanitary conditions. All this is not about modern war, but when it happened in the open field shoulder to shoulder with comrades ...
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  15. Sinbad
    Sinbad 15 October 2013 11: 34
    +6
    The gentleman who wrote this should be sent under the bullets himself, without diapers, bulletproof vests, bodyguards. And then see if he is alive, how to wash his pants and "brains", he will.
  16. Evil rabbit
    Evil rabbit 15 October 2013 11: 41
    +3
    The author of the article on the worldview is a small child. "Hurray - the war has begun !!!!" Like a game of war. Both fun and invigorating ...
  17. Evil rabbit
    Evil rabbit 15 October 2013 11: 41
    +3
    The author of the article on the worldview is a small child. "Hurray - the war has begun !!!!" Like a game of war. Both fun and invigorating ...
  18. alekseyal
    alekseyal 15 October 2013 11: 51
    +1
    The war is beneficial primarily to England and the United States, for this they organized two world wars.
    After the First World War, there remained one superpower England.
    As a result of the First World War, the main competitors of England, Russia and Germany were destroyed by revolutions.
    After World War II, the United States seized the palm from England, the US dollar became the main world currency.
    For this, everything was started.
    And now the United States wants to arrange a world war in order to draw its geopolitical rivals into a war, weaken them, and remain on the sidelines, enter the war at the end and get the main prize. The main competitors of the USA now are China and Russia.
  19. yurii p
    yurii p 15 October 2013 11: 56
    +4
    "" A wild idea that war is a scourge for humanity. On the contrary, the most useful thing. "..... please, the author's straitjacket, please, hurry up. We must not have the author's surname, otherwise the country should know its mu ... clients of psychiatric hospitals.
    1. Beps
      Beps 15 October 2013 12: 09
      -6
      You must read the article before making a judgment. It is written by Dostoevsky F.M.
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 15 October 2013 17: 04
        +1
        Quote: BEPES
        It is written by Dostoevsky F.M.

        But why are you resting so much on Dostoevsky? Are you hiding behind your name? Are you not the author of this opus?
  20. Nix13
    Nix13 15 October 2013 11: 56
    +2
    I read and was horrified: a man (?) Leads both churchmen and Dostoevsky to praise the war ... Although somewhere it was already, albeit less explicitly: they say, War is the engine of progress ...
    1. Beps
      Beps 15 October 2013 12: 14
      -5
      Of course, you need a head in the sand, back to the enemy.
      Fuck people like you to defend such as D. Davydov:
      I love the bloody battle, I was born to serve the king! Saber, vodka, hussar horse, I have a golden age with you! ... Whether it's in the midst of swords: There you only dream of glory! I love the bloody battle, I was born to serve the king!
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 15 October 2013 13: 18
        +4
        I love the bloody battle, I was born to serve the king!

        At one time, acquaintances who fought the military Indians called for such.
        A man is brave, but not able to live in peace, only in war, where in fact he is also uncomfortable.
        Most of the warriors are not like that - they serve, defend the country, and do not "stick from their own coolness."
        By the way, in "War and Peace" the characters are well depicted.

        In principle, in the case of the "Indians" there is a serious deviation in the development of the psyche (any psychologist would say this).
        1. Beps
          Beps 15 October 2013 13: 29
          -3
          Great point! The only question is where to find a place for such people? In "peace" or in war? Where are they useful to society - in their habitat / survival or in a mental hospital?
      2. kaktus
        kaktus 15 October 2013 15: 28
        +2
        minus you. not a hussar poet, partisan
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      4. Uzoliv
        Uzoliv 15 October 2013 23: 38
        +3
        What Fyodor Mikhailovich wrote
        about the war belong to the 19th century. And if Fedor Mikhailovich saw the wars of the 20th century: the First World War, the Great Patriotic War, then he would damned the war forever. I have no doubt about this at all, for you and I know very well that he wrote about the tear of a child.
        And I can hardly imagine that Denis Vasilievich wrote these lines (I love bloody battle ...) during the First World War, when his hussar regiment would attack the fortified machine gun positions in the forehead, and such attacks were not uncommon.
        And I'm not a positivist, as I believe the majority of those who put a minus article. And I am not against the bloody battle, as such. For example, I would even officially allow fist fights. And if two ranks of guys would come out, they would hang around for about 20 minutes, let off steam. Right there the police look so that there is order (so to be honest - without brass knuckles, roses, etc.), the ambulance is standing, firefighters with a firebrand can cool extremely hot ones. The same Russian fun at the carnival did.
        The premise of the article is - war is a purification. How and from what did the Pevaya Worlda cleanse us? At the beginning of the war, everyone in St. Petersburg shouted Hurray and ladies threw caps. Or what has the war of these people in the photograph cleared of?
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 15 October 2013 15: 33
      +1
      Quote: Nix13
      Although somewhere it was already, albeit less explicitly: they say, War is the engine of progress ...

      Neo-Malthusians are full of this good. They creatively developed the postulate of R. Malthus: WAR - a cleansing wind over the swamp of life. Well, and then they tried to prove that the main instinct - the instinct to save life - pushes progress forward through improving mechanisms and methods of destroying their own kind. The trump card - sooner or later, all military developments are used in civilian life. The defense industry is pulling along the rest of industrial progress, well, etc.
      De Gaulle seems to own the words: each generation should have its own war. So it is still popular among hawks and arms manufacturers.
  21. 6 sunrise 9
    6 sunrise 9 15 October 2013 12: 03
    +3
    The author of the war is not a count of duty or counter-strike, you really die there and often the best people are the color of the nation. And how many become disabled? And how many tears of mothers, wives, children of soldiers shed because of them? War is always grief, pain, death ... war is hell!
    1. Beps
      Beps 15 October 2013 12: 07
      -2
      Gentlemen, are you completely stupid people? These are citations from Fedor our light Mikhailovich Dostoyevsky. And who can indicate at least one case of his wrongness, let him try it.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 12: 18
        +2
        Dostoevsky is certainly a great man, but he also had turbidity, in which he himself admitted by the way. Tolstoy also agreed with his liberal ideas, but that does not make him a less great writer. Distinguish flies from cutlets. hi
        1. Beps
          Beps 15 October 2013 12: 32
          -5
          Yes, I did. And then history proved that he was right. For example, "Demons". So why should The Paradoxist be an exception? Just because you (falling down) have a different, more comfortable point of view? And actually, where are you and where is Dostoevsky ?.
          1. 6 sunrise 9
            6 sunrise 9 15 October 2013 12: 43
            +1
            Well, so with whom do we start a war? With the USA, China, EU, Turkey or with someone else! Let's start the war, since in your opinion it is useful and necessary for the people. Now imagine that your whole family died from this war, friends, and you were left without legs.
            Dostoevsky is certainly a great writer, but I cannot agree with him on these allegations.
            1. Beps
              Beps 15 October 2013 12: 49
              0
              The whole problem, with whom to start a war? And just that? Do not worry, the war itself will find you. And the sooner the less you want her.
              As for the family. I have a large, military-bound, with weapons. And now, attention, the question is: Which family will survive - yours, pacifist, or mine, imperialist?
              1. 6 sunrise 9
                6 sunrise 9 15 October 2013 13: 20
                0
                Quote: BEPES
                imperialist


                what

                Quote: BEPES
                pacifist


                Just because I do not want to attack anything and capture?

                In general, this is how uncle Vali and his family went to Syria and fight for health if there is none.
                1. Beps
                  Beps 15 October 2013 13: 32
                  -4
                  I will certainly consider your wishes. But you will remember: the road to a thousand begins with the first step, and the road to hell is paved with good intentions. If you don’t want to attack, they will attack you. Para bellum.
                  1. revnagan
                    revnagan 15 October 2013 17: 13
                    +2
                    Quote: BEPES
                    a thousand li road begins with the first step, and the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

                    "Horses, people mixed up in a heap ..." In general, Saturn no longer pours wassat
                    Quote: BEPES
                    Para bellum.

                    By the way, this Roman proverb is completely translated, "if you want peace, prepare for war." And you brought only its second part. And judging by your statements, you are still very young and you have a mess in your head.
                  2. sleepy
                    sleepy 16 October 2013 02: 34
                    +1
                    Quote: BEPES
                    "... If you don't want to attack, they will attack you. Para bellum."


                    Famous expression "Si vis pacem, para bellum" -
                    "If you want peace, prepare for war"
                    is a paraphrase of the expression Nepot.
                    A similar thought was expressed by Cornelius Nepot.
                    Enaminond, V, 4: Paritur pax bello. "The world is created by war."
              2. cdrt
                cdrt 15 October 2013 13: 23
                +2
                The whole problem, with whom to start a war? And just that? Do not worry, the war itself will find you. And the sooner the less you want her.
                As for the family. I have a large, military-bound, with weapons. And now, attention, the question is: Which family will survive - yours, the pacifist, or mine, the imperialist?


                It is unfair that for the sake of dementia of some, others must subscribe to the war.
                It’s not the hamsters who really think that it is necessary to fight - both in Serbia and Bosnia, and in Syria they are fighting voluntarily.

                I want to fight - a suitcase-Sheremetyevo-Damascus.
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              3. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 15 October 2013 15: 04
                +4
                Quote: BEPES
                As for the family. I have a large, military-bound, with weapons. And now, attention, the question is: Which family will survive - yours, pacifist, or mine, imperialist?

                I am happy for you: nowadays large families are a rarity, especially "IMPERIALIST (!?)". From this we must assume that you have successfully passed the stage of "capitalism" (according to Marx-Lenin) and now you and your household are at its highest stage, which implies the merging of industrial and banking capital (happy for you!), The penetration of the transnational monopoly of your family into the state life of the country, etc.
                Tip: When you write, read what happens, or even not to be a laughing stock for a long time. (no offense!)
                Essentially... An atomic bomb, believe me, is absolutely indifferent to who is in the zone of its destruction: a genius or a villain, a pacifist or a militarist. It is also indifferent to vacuum, neutron, "clean" bombs and other types of weapons of mass destruction, such as XO, BO, ethnic (!) Weapons. If you want to live on your own and for your relatives to live - fight for peace, prepare for war, be strong and highly developed with the know-how that your enemy does not have, and so on. Only then can you count on the future. IMHO,
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 19: 28
            0
            Quote: BEPES
            Just because you (prostrate yourself) have a different, more comfortable point of view for you? But actually, where are you and where is Dostoevsky ?.

            Actually, I did not compare myself with Dostoevsky. I care about him, like before China, with cancer ... But nevertheless, Fyodor Mikhailovich was a controversial man. But he knew how to admit his mistakes, but unfortunately this was not given to you. And prostrate before me do not have to fall, because as our ancestors said, the humiliation is more than any pride. hi
        2. cdrt
          cdrt 15 October 2013 13: 20
          -3
          Tolstoy won also with his liberal ideas.

          He was anyone, but not a liberal.
          An anti-churchman - yes, an anarchist - yes, but he had nothing to do with liberals ...
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 15 October 2013 15: 39
        +4
        Quote: BEPES
        These are citations from Fedor our light Mikhailovich Dostoyevsky.


        So what? Is he superior to God? And God is love.
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    2. Russ69
      Russ69 15 October 2013 23: 41
      +2
      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      The author of the war is not for you of duty or counter-strike, people really die there and often the best people are the color of the nation
      In a war, the best people really die first.
      so war, on the contrary, knocks out the best gene pool ...
  22. George
    George 15 October 2013 12: 04
    +3
    The mutual feat of generosity gives rise to the most solid link between inequalities and estates. The landowner and the peasant, fighting together in the twelfth year, were closer to each other than in their own village, in a peaceful estate. War is an occasion for the masses to respect themselves, and therefore people love war: he composes songs about the war, he then hears for a long time legends and stories about it ... shed blood is an important thing!

    The people compose songs in order to immortalize the heroes - the living and the dead, and to leave edification for future generations.
  23. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 15 October 2013 12: 12
    10
    War is the most terrible thing that man has invented. It is WAR, not a struggle for survival.

    Even the enemy does not want to wish her tongue.

    This is war - der.mo, der.mo and again der.mo.
    Der.mo on clothes. Der.mo on the body. Der.mo at heart. Der.mo in thoughts. Der.mo in the actions of ALL people, without exception.

    And the worst war - This is a war on its territory ...
    From which there is no place to hide, from which there is no place to run away and rest. Where women, children are killed.
    Fragile peaceful life is easy to destroy, but to regain trust in others is extremely difficult. It is TRUST in the people around you on the simplest ordinary street. In war, they cease to believe all people. The beast becomes less dangerous than a person who can kill, rob and ... anything. In war, some moral brakes disappear ...

    The fact that you can send ONE child to school and do not worry about him is the HIGHEST ACHIEVEMENT OF PEACEFUL LIFE. This example will seem ridiculous to someone, but it is TRUTH.
    Peaceful life is when you’re not afraid to turn around the corner.
    A peaceful environment is when the lights in the windows burn ...

    Peace must be appreciated.
    Damn the war ...
  24. Lynx
    Lynx 15 October 2013 12: 17
    -1
    Although not at war, but completely agree. From beauty salons, crowded shops and full stomachs, brain liquefaction occurs. People think that it is necessary, and that it should be so, they do not value a normal, calm life, they do not value friendship. They don’t know who their stairwell neighbor is and they say that if someone is killed outside their door on the stairs, they will not help, they will not open the doors, they will not call the police. If a person is hit by a car, some people prefer to stand and shoot on a mobile phone to show to friends. These freaks can only be cleansed by war, and those who are still able to recover will lose their gloss, tinsel, manicure in the trenches with lice and they will reassess their values. Yes, and we must remind freaks that you can’t piss into the Eternal Flame, you can’t burn people on it, you can’t be photographed naked on the plates of mass graves and take away their orders from veterans. Unfortunately, this can only be explained to some by war. It’s a pity that other good people can suffer, but for the actions of some, all of us, or even our children, are responsible.
    Until the people understand that there is something beyond his nose, we will rake it.

    But you don’t need to be horrified, you just need to understand. Or maybe there is some other way to get rid of feral people who are already, in general, not people? It’s not people who throw their children from the balconies, not people who kill veterans for orders, not people who cut off a living dog’s legs and throw it in the forest ..
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 12: 27
      +5
      Quote: Lynx
      Or maybe there is some other way to get rid of feral people who are already, in general, not people?

      Your words, yes, to God’s ears ... But unfortunately in reality the opposite is true. The best perish in war, and all the abomination described by you has a cowardly nature, akin to rats. And usually survives. So with the idealization of war as a cure for freaks, you got excited. Unless of course I understand you correctly. hi
      1. Beps
        Beps 15 October 2013 12: 40
        -9
        It is true that altruists die in war, egoists survive. But! Genetics is so arranged that after a generation of egoists a generation of altruists follows. In the generation of our fathers who passed the Great Patriotic War, egoists predominated, in our generation - baby boomers, pretentious altruists predominated (and this led us to the swamp of 1991), the new generation is selfish to the core of the bones, which is the time to cleanse with a good shake (not necessary war, but most likely no other is given). So it was and it will be so. Life is called.
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 15 October 2013 13: 27
          +9
          Genetics is so arranged that after a generation of egoists a generation of altruists follows

          Bullshit hurts when you smack it.
          You just do not pronounce this nonsense in the presence of real biologists ... they will be considered a very stupid person
        2. Son
          Son 15 October 2013 16: 10
          -1
          Now they are of course opposing, but there is something in it ... Purification ...
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 15 October 2013 17: 20
            +2
            Quote: Son
            Now they are of course opposing, but there is something in it ... Purification ...

            Yeprst ... Well, take the Great Patriotic War as an example. On whose side is there a cleansing? From the Nazi? Or from ours? Did we need to be cleansed of something? Yes, our people at that time were the most moral people in the world. was this war? Or now, the war will contribute to the return of moral values? Do not blame the nonsense.
            1. Son
              Son 15 October 2013 20: 27
              -1
              Perhaps, perhaps ... It is for the current society, which the Law cannot cleanse ...
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 22: 31
            +1
            Quote: Son
            Now they are of course opposing, but there is something in it ... Purification ...

            Diarrhea is also purification.
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2013 05: 41
              +2
              right ... but not verbal ...
    2. IGS
      IGS 15 October 2013 13: 41
      +1
      which in general are no longer people?
      And who do you consider yourself to be? Himself in this situation, what role do you assign? What about your children? The next time you violate the SDA, do not hold evil if you break your legs, and the handles, too. And they say, they say, but people violate and violate everything, and so they will understand, they will cross the road to the green light. I won’t drag in children, because I hope you have something left of the woman and the maternal instinct. That's really the truth in a woman much more cruelty, moreover, stupid. Have you tried other methods, such as education?
  25. Russ69
    Russ69 15 October 2013 12: 21
    +1
    Before writing such articles, the author would have to go to the war himself and not for a day, but for a year or two. And then he writes ...
    1. Beps
      Beps 15 October 2013 12: 34
      -8
      I repeat. Dostoevsky was in hard labor. By your logic - your place in the camp.
  26. atalef
    atalef 15 October 2013 12: 31
    +6
    Although not at war, but completely agree. From beauty salons, crowded shops and full stomachs, brain liquefaction occurs. People think that it is necessary, and that it should be so, they do not value a normal, well-fed life.

    I don’t know why you need to fight, but somehow I’m trying to do all of the above for my wife, and I didn’t notice her brain liquefaction. I never thought that if my wife is well-fed and beautiful. automatically gets stupid from this,
    They don’t know who their stairwell neighbor is and they say that if they kill someone outside their door on the stairs, they will not help, they will not open

    Do you think that all this depends only on a happy life, and heavy being brings up love and compassion? But how does Being determine consciousness, do you think Marx was wrong?
    Yes, and you need to remind freaks that you can’t piss into the Eternal Flame, you can’t burn people on it, you can’t be photographed naked on the plates of mass graves and take away their orders from veterans

    It is necessary to educate parents first of all, they have not just become such, return to Marx and the proposal for being and consciousness

    . It’s a pity that other good people can suffer, but for the actions of some, all of us, or even our children, are responsible.

    We have already seen more than once, such as you who want to make everyone happy, even if they are injured such as the innocent. But you would write something like this, it’s a pity that I, my children and relatives will suffer, but for the happiness of others, I am ready to sacrifice all this. How easy it is to manage other people's lives
    Or maybe there is some other way to get rid of feral people who are already, in general, not people?

    They are people and were born no worse than you, only life and parenting made them so
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 15 October 2013 14: 36
      +4
      Quote: atalef
      Do you think that all this depends only on a happy life, and heavy being brings up love and compassion? But how does Being determine consciousness, do you think Marx was wrong?

      Alexander! You need to quote accurately, especially the classics. K. Marx said: "SOCIAL being determines the consciousness of the individual." Note the difference: PUBLIC! This is the first thing.
      Second, the
      Quote: atalef
      We have already seen more than once, such as you who want to make everyone happy, even if they suffer like the innocent

      You probably had in mind the "great humanist, petrel of the revolution" A.M. Gorky, who argued that the death of thousands for the triumph of millions is humanism. (?) But F.M. Dostoevsky, for some reason spoke about the only teardrop of a child ... Or do you think that the unforgettable Leiba Davidovich Bronstein, intending to throw Russia into the fire of the world revolution, was right? Oh, dear theorist! Abstract inferences and reasoning are good as long as it does not concern you personally and your family and friends.
      And as for the ability of Russian people to sacrifice themselves - I do not even advise doubting! This is a fact verified by history and recorded on its tablets.
      1. atalef
        atalef 15 October 2013 18: 49
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        This is a fact verified by history and recorded on its tablets.

        Without much going into the details of your verbiage, the whole essence of which is - At least say something - it will suddenly slip through. Mentioning Russian history, read the meaning of the word _ TABLES (on which you can write, because the priest’s mantle is not suitable for this) and then you can first practice on cats. and then I will listen to you with pleasure.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 15 October 2013 23: 33
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          TABLETS (on which it is possible to write down, because the priest’s mantle does not fit this) and then you can first practice on cats. and then I will listen to you with pleasure.

          Oh, how deeply neglected everything is! And I naively thought that I was talking to an educated person! And you, sir, are an uneducated TROL and a provocateur too. But not to know what the word "tablet" means, can only a goy who left for Israel with his Jewish wife!
          Once your compatriot, Professor, advised me: "Saw weights, Shura!" (from). The advice is free, so I am addressing it to you, with a few links to sources of "reason".
          "The tablets of testimony are two slabs of stone on which, according to the Bible, the Ten Commandments were inscribed." (Wikipedia)

          Tablets of history
          Book High Pages of history; story. The tablets are stone tiles with the ten commandments inscribed on them, which, according to biblical legend, God gave to Moses on Mount Sinai. BMS 1998, 528.
          tablets - (footnote) page; written (hint at boards with commandments) Cf. "Look into the tablets of history," my teacher used to say to me, "and you will be convinced that only the people are prosperous and prosperous, which does not go far away." Saltykov. Provincial ... ... Michelson's Big Explanatory and Phraseological Dictionary (http://dic.academic.ru)
          PS. I forgive you for the insult, for they are not offended by the wretched. In 2's, try to explain to forum users: how did 2 stone slabs become the clothes of a priest?
          Good luck, sir!
          1. atalef
            atalef 16 October 2013 08: 50
            0
            And as for the ability of Russian people to sacrifice themselves - I do not even advise doubting! This is a fact verified by history and recorded on its tablets.

            Oh, how deeply neglected everything is! And I naively thought that I was talking to an educated person! And you, sir, are an uneducated TROL and a provocateur too. But not to know what the word "tablet" means, can only be a goy who left for Israel with his Jewish wife

            Damn you teach, teach you, one hell, one deuce. Explain to me how the word tablets correspond with Russian history (whose exploits are recorded on it, read your comment)
            this time!
            Tablets [1] or pomata (from the Greek cover) are rectangles of red or green color sewn onto the bishop’s mantle in front of the top and bottom.

            these are two, one of the meanings is church robes and I immediately warned that the meaning is not to be used (but you don’t even know how to read),
            Therefore, once again I send you to train on cats and explain to me (a Jew) as well as my wife (Ukrainian) how the word tablets refer to Russian history.
            esteemed earthworm tongue
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 16 October 2013 21: 36
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              one of the meanings is church robes and I immediately warned what value is this not to use (but you don’t even know how to read),

              Dear Chief Banderlog! Do not engage in sophistry and substitution of concepts! My post said about the "tablets of history". And this is sustainable idiomatic expression long rooted in the great and mighty Russian language. Link to your fellow tribesman (Michelson) see above.
              "I immediately warned that this value should not be used" - what an insolence! Idioms of the Russian language, but Russian (!) Forbids using !!!
              And a few words about your "trolling".
              No matter how much I fight on the site with your slippery people, you still cannot calm down. Wrong, and all are trying to turn inside out and prove that they meant something completely different. Slyly substituting concepts, distorting the meaning, accusing the opponent of what he did not say (did not write). In short - everything is according to the "Catechism of the Jew in the USSR". Reznik is three times right when he wrote his "Lectures for the President". All one to one! This is the nature of the descendants of Ahasuerus! Centuries have passed, and as you were, you remain deceitful Christ-sellers. And then you ask why no one loves you!
              So, it turns out that you did not learn to read, arr. Banderlog! laughing
  27. Gronsky
    Gronsky 15 October 2013 12: 33
    0
    Why did everyone attack the author to tear the fascist cross? Well, a man brought extracts from various sources. Well, he expressed the opinion of what security, idleness and short memory lead to.
    But he did not say that urgently needed to organize a war and disaster. On the contrary, he warned.
    In any case, I perceive the article as follows.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 15 October 2013 17: 06
      +4
      Quote: Gronsky
      Why did everyone pounce on tearing the author to the fascist cross? He did not say that urgently needed to organize a war and disaster. On the contrary, he warned.


      Yeah. And the name came up with a warning.
  28. Lynx
    Lynx 15 October 2013 12: 33
    +7
    Quote: yurii p
    "" A wild idea that war is a scourge for humanity. On the contrary, the most useful thing. "..... please, the author's straitjacket, please, hurry up. We must not have the author's surname, otherwise the country should know its mu ... clients of psychiatric hospitals.

    What is another way to explain to the young generation in our humane and civilized country why it is impossible to piss into the Eternal Flame and lay gon_dons on it. In my opinion, until they themselves see what war is and lose relatives, health and friends there, they will not understand.
    They’ll also heal from piderastia, it’s painfully many such men have become who are disdainful of weapons, but shave their legs and do styling.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 15 October 2013 13: 33
      +1
      What is another way to explain to the young generation in our humane and civilized country why it is impossible to piss into the Eternal Flame and lay gon_dons on it. In my opinion, until they themselves see what war is and lose relatives, health and friends there, they will not understand.

      Normal upbringing. There are all sorts of films, books. For example, "They fought for their homeland" - quite intelligibly told about heroism. Or "The Cranes Are Flying"

      They’ll also heal from piderastia, it’s painfully many such men have become who are disdainful of weapons, but shave their legs and do styling.


      I’ve been living in Moscow since birth.
      I haven’t seen one, I haven’t even honestly checked whose legs are shaved.
      How do you know this about them? laughing
    2. IGS
      IGS 15 October 2013 16: 27
      0
      In this case, I suggest that you, based on your beliefs and as an exception, a good "healer" will always check the medicine on himself, when you violate the traffic rules, go to a red light, or in the wrong place, break your arm or leg (for the purity of the experiment without anesthesia), well, for a double solid and you can tear it off, and then let's see how this lesson went for you for the future, although, I think, then you will have traffic rules unnecessarily.
      As for the rest, I don't like guns, so what? nail me? ... And oh God, may many forgive me for intimate details, I shave my armpits, it is useful for hygiene and I think about my wife, otherwise if you look after yourself then ped..k, and if not, then a man. Shoot me, you scoundrel. Only now, people like you often do not know in what position the "bitch" or "paddle" has a translator-fuse in automatic fire mode. Why's that?
  29. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 15 October 2013 12: 35
    +5
    to bring the arguments of great people to justify their position - that means, in fact - to pull the ears of the necessary justification ....

    if here I publish everything that Dostoevsky expressed and wrote about the Jews, then, I think, they will ban me for two hundred years)))) so if you want, read it yourself.

    and the author is an eccentric ... letter ... well, you know.
  30. Gronsky
    Gronsky 15 October 2013 12: 41
    +2
    Quote: Lynx
    Quote: yurii p
    "" A wild idea that war is a scourge for humanity. On the contrary, the most useful thing. "..... please, the author's straitjacket, please, hurry up. We must not have the author's surname, otherwise the country should know its mu ... clients of psychiatric hospitals.

    What is another way to explain to the young generation in our humane and civilized country why it is impossible to piss into the Eternal Flame and lay gon_dons on it. In my opinion, until they themselves see what war is and lose relatives, health and friends there, they will not understand.
    They’ll also heal from piderastia, it’s painfully many such men have become who are disdainful of weapons, but shave their legs and do styling.


    Well, here I am. It’s better to explain now (I don’t know how), while everything is relatively quiet, than then they will learn from their own mistakes.
  31. Lynx
    Lynx 15 October 2013 12: 45
    +1
    Quote: atalef

    Do you think that all this depends only on a happy life, and heavy being brings up love and compassion?

    Well, surely mutual assistance brings up.

    Quote: atalef
    We have already seen more than once, such as you who want to make everyone happy, even if they are injured such as the innocent.

    And where do I write that I want to make someone happy? No need to read in my text what I did not write. You read in the text of the article that which was not there at all.
    People do not know how to think about what they read, they only know how to hysteria. Sadly ...

    Quote: atalef
    They are people and were born no worse than you, only life and parenting made them so

    In the USA, some time ago a man attacked another man and began to eat his face. Is this what his parents raised him like that, they said, can you eat a person’s face?
    And what parents told their children that they could lay naked on the slabs of mass graves and take pictures? What kind of life taught them ??
    When it touches you and your family, when, God forbid, your beautiful wife is raped, then you will sing differently. Those who are not touched by some kind of trouble justify and regret the freaks. It may be calm in Israel with you, but not with us.
  32. Lynx
    Lynx 15 October 2013 12: 50
    +2
    Quote: Gronsky

    Well, here I am. It’s better to explain now (I don’t know how), while everything is relatively quiet, than then they will learn from their own mistakes.

    Agree. But the farther, the worse. People no longer understand what this is about. Screams have already begun to sound that it is necessary to free oneself from morality and social frameworks, that old people and veterans are a burden on society, moreover, they are already talking about the old people in the media (there were a couple of scandals when public people stated this). They said that people with disabilities are a burden to society.
    I don’t know whether it is possible for adults to somehow explain what we are talking about. If you didn’t understand and understand yourself in your childhood, then you won’t understand either ... And do not expect compassion from such people anymore ...
  33. family tree
    family tree 15 October 2013 12: 52
    +4
    War medicine against rot? belay War is dirt, blood and govno. If you smear the author with this "medicinal" mixture and stand it for a day, he, upon recovery, quickly pulls on quotations from the Bible and Fyodor Mikhailich, which are directly opposite in meaning. hi
  34. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 15 October 2013 12: 53
    -2
    Let me give you some numbers (somewhat outdated). 100 drug addicts die in Russia annually, 000 of them directly from drugs, the rest from related causes. 30 alcoholics, of which 000 are directly from alcohol and surrogate poisoning. 120 people annually go missing and the same number of unidentified corpses - 000. In total, after the collapse of the USSR, 40 million people have already died. In the USSR there are about 000 million people, and this is already more than for the Second World War. True for more time. A war is being waged against us by new methods. They destroy us, but we do not resist. I was surprised how many pacifists are here. I don’t need such a world. I want a war to end the genocide of my people. I know what war is. He served in Chechnya 120 times for half a year. The first in 000 SMEs, the second in 120 SMEs.
    1. Beps
      Beps 15 October 2013 13: 03
      -6
      I was surprised how many pacifists are here.
      When there are many pacifists on the military resource, this is not surprise, but suspicion.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 15 October 2013 13: 22
        +5
        Quote: BEPES
        When there are many pacifists on the military resource, this is not surprise, but suspicion.

        The military are the first opponents of war. These are conscious "pacifists".
        I know this (in our army) so firmly that I consider it an axiom.

        The exception is those who are already involved in politics, i.e. top general staff. Politics, like rot, infects the soul with rubbish.
        1. Beps
          Beps 15 October 2013 13: 45
          -1
          Absolutely right military RECOGNIZED pacifists. And this is our fundamental difference, or rather, the opposite of civilian pacifists who have flooded this topic (it is possible, of course, that scumbags from careerists with epaulets, but we will not talk about sad things). The military is READY to fulfill his duty and, if necessary, die. And for this it is necessary to prepare mentally and materially every day. The result and verification of preparation, alas, is a war, which, as you are right, is initiated by politicians and, as F.M. is right, purifies society. And no other way.
        2. George
          George 15 October 2013 14: 27
          +3
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Quote: BEPES
          When there are many pacifists on the military resource, this is not surprise, but suspicion.

          The military are the first opponents of war. These are conscious "pacifists".
          I know this (in our army) so firmly that I consider it an axiom.

          The exception is those who are already involved in politics, i.e. top general staff. Politics, like rot, infects the soul with rubbish.

          I don’t remember who said:
          “It is good that the war is so terrible, otherwise we would fall in love with it.”
  35. Beps
    Beps 15 October 2013 13: 02
    +1
    if here I publish everything that Dostoevsky expressed and wrote about the Jews, then, I think, they will ban me for two hundred years)))) so if you want, read it yourself.
    In no case do not publish, it is not tolerant and not kosher. You simply confine yourself to criticizing Dostoevsky on this topic, then it will become clear whether he is a prophet, a seer, or a simple bullshit next to such a giant of pacifism as you, dear.
  36. serge
    serge 15 October 2013 13: 05
    +5
    Even if we agree with the point of view of the article, it should be noted that it describes the wars of the XNUMXth century. In the XNUMXth century, wars acquired a destructive character for the civilian population. The genocide of civilians is a feature of the wars of the last century. Here we are not talking about any spirit or humanity. Respect for the enemy? What the hell respect for people massively killing women and children. Absolute inhumanity on the part of the aggressor and hatred on the part of the defender - these are the features of modern warfare. What can we say about the use of weapons of mass destruction, this is generally impersonal genocide.
    1. Beps
      Beps 15 October 2013 13: 16
      -1
      Do not carry a gag. It’s clear that you didn’t hear about the Gustian wars when the population of Europe decreased by 30%, about the Chinese empires that conquered territories that completely exterminated the locals and settled the country with their descendants, they also did not hear about the conquest of Ancient Rome, Carthage, for example.
      The warrior takes care of himself, he is armed and organized, he has much more chances to survive than civilians. IS ALWAYS.
  37. Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 15 October 2013 13: 40
    -4
    The idea is clever, but "sacred" scriptures are superfluous. And the fact that war helps to get rid of excess "meat", while also snatching nishtyaki from the enemy is a long-understood thing. Why are men sent to war? Not only because men are more adapted to war, but also because the man is less valuable for the preservation of the birth rate for the country than the woman. Just think how many women one man can inseminate in 1 year. 1 - 1000. And how many human-offspring can one woman give birth to in 1 year? Right. It sounds wild, immoral and disgusting. But this is the harsh truth of life. We are just ants for the colony - soldiers, workers, etc.
  38. falcon
    falcon 15 October 2013 13: 42
    +6
    This opus is quotes twitching out of context, in order to somehow substantiate unhealthy thoughts,
    overwhelming the head of the author. Apparently, the author is an amazingly modest person, probably
    he was ashamed of us at once to regale with quotes from one funny book - "My struggle" is called.
    But, most likely, the author will correct this flaw in his next creation.
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 15 October 2013 15: 56
      +3
      with humor you laughing
      but I respect Dostoevsky anyway, and about the war he spoke clearly about those that took place with him. somewhere there they howl for fraternal peoples, release the little brothers of the Slavs. among the people rejoicing, sincere enthusiasm.
      though the bros were not bros at all, the climb was over. and then the 20th century came with its terrible wars and on our territory - and here I think Dostoevsky would have expressed himself in a slightly different way, the more genius he was
  39. Vladimir.z.
    Vladimir.z. 15 October 2013 14: 02
    +7
    Only unhealthy could write such an article ....
  40. major071
    major071 15 October 2013 14: 04
    10
    People all wanted to understand where the war is and what is mean in it ... It is in the terrible loneliness of the one who fights,
    and one who remains in the rear, in the shameful despair that grips everyone, and in the moral decline that
    appears on the faces of time. The kingdom of beasts has come.
    Camus

    “During the world, sons bury their fathers. fathers bury their sons during the war ”- Herodotus


    When at least half of those efforts
    What are given to the wars
    We are dedicated to enlightenment, -
    We wouldn’t need arsenals.
    And “warrior” would become a hated word,
    And the people that again, despising the law,
    Kindle the war and spilled the blood of another
    Again, like Cain, he would be branded.
    Longfellow G.

    To the author - minus.
  41. IGS
    IGS 15 October 2013 14: 12
    +7
    It smells like an apocalypse ... to call for war, not even for an idea, but simply to remove unnecessary ones, in order to improve society ... with what? "post-traumatic stress syndrome", severed limbs, dead or unborn children ... and on behalf of the church. It’s even worse that someone supports it. It's either a diagnosis ... or it's better not to think. Go to church and ask any church minister what he thinks about it. In our country, no research has been conducted on the psychological consequences of armed conflicts. But here is an excerpt from similar American (sorry to recall them in vain) studies of the Vietnam War.
    After the return of the soldiers who fought in Vietnam, American society faced a mass of social, medical and psychological problems among the participants in the Vietnam War. The statistics illustrate this well: the number of suicides among the participants in the Vietnam War by 1975 exceeded the number of deaths in the war itself by three times. The divorce rate among them is about 90%. A third of all prisoners in American prisons are Vietnam veterans. Alcoholism, drug addiction, professional and social conflicts - all forms of maladaptation have been and are among those who went through the hell of that war. About one fifth of all warriors in Vietnam have symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder
    Do you want to improve this?
    Previously, my parents and relatives, when they sat down at the table, always raised a stack with the words: "So that there is no war."
  42. saag
    saag 15 October 2013 14: 15
    +1
    yes, I re-read the name again and realized that it’s not war that the cure for decay is rot, because during the war it will also get closer to material wealth, the cure for decay can be a revolution, since it begins to redraw the entire system, it is directly directed against decay
  43. drop
    drop 15 October 2013 14: 17
    +6
    Outraged. The author is sick. He did not see blood and grief when they lost relatives and friends. It is a sin to wish him. But such articles cannot be printed. Our magazine is not a club where they talk for a waste of time. He himself participated in the 3 companies of a limited contingent and was surprised at this rabble of thoughts of a sick person, which he laid out to the whole world. It would be better to be silent than to bear it.
  44. on
    on 15 October 2013 14: 21
    -6
    The whole history of mankind is a continuous chain of wars. Wars do not stop since when a person picked up a stick or stone. Therefore, war is a natural state of man. Nothing wrong with that.
    All generations of our ancestors fought, and ours fought. The future is for those who are able to fight and sacrifice in the name of their country, their people or their ideas.
    The truth is not the best survive))))))
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 15 October 2013 15: 20
      +7
      Quote: atas
      Therefore, war is a natural state of man. There is nothing wrong with that.


      Well, enough to quote Hitler
      1. on
        on 15 October 2013 18: 28
        -2
        Hitler’s? So our thoughts converge. Can you object to the case? Or name the time period when there was no war, in one or another part of the world.
        A people unable to defend themselves will be subjugated or destroyed. Do you apparently prepare such a fate for your descendants? Or do you have dual citizenship?))))))
    2. kaktus
      kaktus 15 October 2013 15: 41
      +2
      war is a natural state of man
      whom are you quoting?
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 20: 00
      0
      Quote: atas
      The truth is not the best survive))))))

      Here you are right. And at least for the sake of this reason, you need to be a War and keep Peace.
      1. on
        on 16 October 2013 01: 56
        +1
        There is no peace without war. Nobody has managed to save the world forever. This is a dream that will never come true, because as long as humanity exists so much and wars will continue.
        There are times when people rejoice at the outbreak of war. Example. The conflict between Ossetia-Alania and Ingushetia. The people of Ossetia were glad that Ingushetia had finally decided on an armed conflict. People were glad to take up arms and finally take their souls. And these were not only Ossetians. They were supported with pleasure by Cossacks, Armenians, Greeks and all nationalities (and there are more than 100) living in Ossetia. People gladly went to war, because they are tired of lawlessness, rudeness and impunity. War, war, too, is different.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 16 October 2013 08: 30
          0
          Quote: atas
          Nobody has managed to save the world forever. This is a dream that will never come true, because as long as humanity exists so much and wars will continue.

          The ideal world is utopia. But One needs to strive for it. Si vis pacem, para bellum Including so.
  45. alex-cn
    alex-cn 15 October 2013 14: 52
    +4
    In my opinion, not an article, an awkward collection of eerie quotes. Why is it written?
  46. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 15 October 2013 15: 01
    +5
    I grew up in the village of 50-60's. There were many grandmothers, and village peasants could be counted on the fingers. The war took many. My grandfathers did not see their grandchildren ... The article is really crazy. And the quotes in the article, probably from books of unfinished fascists.
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 15 October 2013 16: 02
      +2
      And the quotes in the article, probably from books of unfinished fascists.

      Well, what are you talking about Dostoevsky?
      Chubais hates him, but he understands why. and why do you call Dostoevsky an "unfinished fascist"?
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 15 October 2013 16: 46
        +6
        Quote: Starfish
        Well, what are you talking about Dostoevsky?


        And the one who selected quotes to that and strove, but they say that cannibalism is not alien to Dostoevsky. Typical provocation
  47. starhina01
    starhina01 15 October 2013 15: 03
    +4
    with a cursory glance I walked through the article for nothing I could not catch on to start reading one nonsense put the article - hi
  48. Volkhov
    Volkhov 15 October 2013 15: 05
    -2
    Interestingly, the majority is against the war, and with personal experience ... But you do not condemn the government at war, they lost a lot of the fleet over the past six months, Syria was bombarded with weapons and people, and the process does not slow down at all.
    When theses on the benefits of the world were proposed in 11 ... 12, the accusations of drug addiction were the answer.
    http://warfiles.ru/3073-liviya-kak-versal.html
  49. SPACE
    SPACE 15 October 2013 15: 13
    -4
    "And two thousand years is a war,
    War for no particular reason.
    War is the work of the young
    Anti-wrinkle medicine. "
  50. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 15 October 2013 15: 14
    +2
    War is a cure for rot

    In my opinion, in Russia they should understand better than others that war is rot. Complete devastation, frantic increase in crime, crippled physical and emotional and huge waste of resources to restore. This is if we recall our Civil and Great Patriotic War. In modern conditions, the question may simply arise of the existence of all mankind. Then the meaning of evaluation disappears, rot is not rot, there will be no one to evaluate.