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For F-22 in the United States will create a new concept of application

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The US Air Force has developed a new tactic for the use of squadrons, consisting only of subtle fighter 5-generation F-22 "Raptor" (Raptor). This was announced by the weekly Janes Defense Weekly.


The main tactical unit in the framework of the new tactics is a small group of F-22, which is supposed to operate from unexpected directions of striking a designated target. Supposedly, the continuous combat cycle of this group will be 72 hours and will include the conduct of hostilities, fast refueling, replenishment of ammunition, and a change of position. This list distinguishes the new tactic from the usual one, which implies the use of large fighter air groups operating from a limited number of airfields.

The advantage of the new method of fighter application is that it increases the level of surprise, tactical flexibility and the pace of combat operations. At the same time, a new method, as military experts believe, will make it easier to solve the supply problem, since it does not require a preliminary deployment of a squadron of fighters and service units at the air base. The new tactical unit consists of X-NUMX F-4 fighters, one C-22 “Globemaster III” military transport aircraft and specially trained for the aforementioned tasks of the service personnel.

In the process of developing a new tactic, servicemen took part, both on active duty and retired. The testing of new tactics took place on October 9, when flight tests were conducted with the defeat of the assigned target in the Atlantic Ocean. During the test, the F-22 group attacked the target from an unexpected direction, flying almost over the North Pole.

Air Force representatives report that a new tactic is already being used on a number of Air Force bases.
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  1. alone
    alone 15 October 2013 10: 47
    +6
    In the process of developing a new tactic, servicemen took part, both on active duty and retired. The testing of new tactics took place on October 9, when flight tests were conducted with the defeat of the assigned target in the Atlantic Ocean. During the test, the F-22 group attacked the target from an unexpected direction, flying almost over the North Pole.

    it turns out that they not only create, but also practice their own conception. They know how to work. One does not have to doubt it.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 15 October 2013 20: 12
      +4
      And there is. The concept includes a compact teleport, designed to quickly move a fresh pilot into the cockpit instead of a board that has run up ... This plane can be refueled. To really strike from a truly unexpected direction, how much time do you need to spend in the air? And what is the raid there before the first failure of this miracle of technology? Who is the first to work out - a technically amazing plane or a superman pilot who knows no fatigue? A fair wind to them, all so unexpected, so sudden ...
      1. poquello
        poquello 15 October 2013 22: 09
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail3
        And there is. The concept includes a compact teleport, designed to quickly move a fresh pilot into the cockpit instead of a board that has run up ... This plane can be refueled. To really strike from a truly unexpected direction, how much time do you need to spend in the air? And what is the raid there before the first failure of this miracle of technology? Who is the first to work out - a technically amazing plane or a superman pilot who knows no fatigue? A fair wind to them, all so unexpected, so sudden ...

        Duc radio tape recorder, fish, deep kelmarin. )))
    2. bif
      bif 16 October 2013 00: 14
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      and also practice their conception

      The meaning of the concept is "The US Air Force has developed new tactics for combat the use of squadrons consisting only of stealth fighter 5 generation F-22 "Reptor"... The new tactical unit consists of 4 F-22 fighters, one C-17 Globemaster III military transport aircraft and specially trained service personnel. "
      To understand the logic of the developers and the wretchedness of the concept, you need to clarify something.
      1. The design of the aircraft is based on the principle of ensuring increased survival by implementing the principle of “First look - first kill” (the first one was discovered, the first one was struck). To do this, widely used technology to reduce visibility ("Stealth"). For the sake of this technology, radical changes have been made.
      2. On fighter aircraft there is a radar (APG-77 radar) with an active phased antenna array, but the active mode of use will give the aircraft's location to the air defense forces, so it is used rarely and for a short time. Radars cost one antenna, narrowing the view to the front hemisphere. The rear / side missile warning can be forgotten.
      3 Passive ALR-94 Receiving System. We already know that the radar produces invisibility with its head, and you need to turn it on only in case of emergency. To compensate for this somehow, the aircraft is “studded” with three dozen antennas, the information from them is transmitted to the same computer that controls the radar. We caught some signal, determined the azimuth, now you can send a single ray from the radar there and specify the range. However, if this enemy is a similar fighter, we will give ourselves out with a full guarantee. Therefore, the pilot himself chooses an operating mode: passive, a mode with a low probability of interception, or active, with full-fledged radar operation. Those. it turns out that stealth is blind as a mole. Or he is not stealth.
      4: Not only is stealth blind, he is also dumb. Well, at least not deaf and dumb. You can use a radio station in receive mode, but to say it yourself is also unmasking. At least in plain text, at least in encrypted codes. That is, stealth cannot even exchange information between themselves from the radar, as the MiG-31 and Su-27 do. Sit and stupidly do what the earth commands you and GPS shows. If their enemy has not drowned out ...
      5.F-22 Raptor can be equipped with two adjustable JDAM bombs of 450 kilograms that can only hit stationary but not moving targets. Another problem is that F-22 radar unable to map terrain, and this means that he cannot independently choose targets located on the ground, that is, information about the targets is entered into the on-board computer of the fighter before takeoff. (not the possibility of the concept of an attack aircraft).
      6. The aircraft has extremely limited communication capabilities. Link 16 communication system, which is widely used by NATO and the United States military, works only for receiving operational informationthat come from other planes and helicopters. This is again a sacrifice for the sake of stealth. The rest of the electronics seemed to be developed with an open architecture, but it turned out that it was impossible to combine it with the F-35 electronics. In general, with old planes are no longer possible, with new ones - no morewithout radical modernization.
      1. bif
        bif 16 October 2013 00: 30
        +2
        7. To the issue of modernization. The Air Force decided to invest in the modernization of 1,3 billion US dollars.
        37 fighter version of Block 10 will be upgraded to the level of Block 20. This level involves equipping the aircraft with a new integrated central processor, which will allow us to abandon the configuration of the on-board equipment of the machines taken into trial operation almost 10 years ago. In this case, the US Air Force will have 37 Block 20 fighters, 63 aircraft of the Block 30 version and 87 - Block 35.
        Airplanes of the Block 30 version (3.1 level) will receive advanced APG-77 radars with the ability to operate in the air-ground mode. Meanwhile, the aircraft of the latest Block 35 version will be upgraded (3.2 level) to use the latest air-to-air missile systems of the AIM-120D AMRAAM and AIM-9X Sidewinder types.That is, before that, the aircraft could only use AIM-120С (maximum range 120km) and their whole 6pcs (Su-35 has 12 suspension points), well, you can still hang 4 pieces from the outside, but then it will no longer be a stealth, and fight with others will be almost equal. (The concept of an airplane is not possible to gain superiority in the air). In addition, the aircraft will receive an automatic system to prevent collisions with the ground, as well as a multifunctional highly secure communication linethanks to which aircraft of this version will be able transfer information to other stealth fighters.
        RESULTS: The Air Force's first modernized 3.1 Raptor was received in March 2012 of the year ... As part of Upgrade Increment 3.2, the fighter was planned to be equipped with a more modern MADL channel, installed on B-2 Spirit bombers and F-35 Lightning II multipurpose fighters. However in 2010th year the US Air Force abandoned this initiative in favor of stealth.
        Stealth is the cause of flat nozzles that deviate only synchronously, and only up and down. There is no super-maneuverability ... And all this for what? A multi-frequency radar can see Stealth perfectly, also a tricky radar like the Chain Mail. It does not radiate anything at all, that is, it is even problematic to destroy it, if you do not know exactly where it is hidden. And she sees stealth no worse than conventional aircraft, and even can distinguish them from other types.
        Exercise "Red Flag" (Red Flag), in which the Americans learn to fight with the planes of a potential enemy. Who their opponent is is clear from the name. In 2008, the Indian Su-30MKI took part in them for the first time. They are as similar as possible to the Russian Su-35 fighters, which are considered to be the likely enemy of the F-22 and F-35. F-16s and F-15s of the US Air Force were deployed against them, not counting the French on the Mirage-2000. Result? The Indians have won 90% of both close and long range aerial combat. Despite the fact that they worked "half-heartedly", since the Indian Air Force command, for reasons of secrecy, did not allow the full use of the aircraft equipment.
        What should the Americans do? Unique chance: test the F-22 in training battles with a real opponent. Moreover, in the United States, where the Indians obviously have no intelligence means. Yes, and even after such a shame in battles with the "old people." But ... the Americans swallowed a grudge and did not expose the F-22. Do you believe that the Americans just swallowed a devastating defeat?
        1.http: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed/Boeing_F-22_Raptor
        2.http: //kramtp.info/news/18/full/id=21995;
        3.http: //suavia.info/page/62/
        1. starhina01
          starhina01 16 October 2013 00: 56
          0
          I read if everything is true I hat hi
      2. vahatak
        vahatak 16 October 2013 11: 14
        0
        I didn’t understand one thing ...
        Quote: bif
        which can hit only stationary, but not moving targets.

        What kind of fighter is it if it cannot hit moving targets?
        1. bif
          bif 16 October 2013 12: 28
          0
          [What kind of fighter is it if it cannot hit moving targets?
          Fucking ... and I’m talking about the same ... the command of the US Air Force indicated this in the reasons for the absence of the Raptors during the democratization of Libya. this drawback should be corrected after the 3.1 modernization, but the modernization began a year ago and is not very cheap, so it is not known how many airplanes will pass it.
  2. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 15 October 2013 11: 38
    +3
    The only where you can use f-22 for its intended purpose is Hollywood. And so a pile of gold flying ... Although you can try it for long-range combat, but it’s also not so hot, if only he has hypersonic maneuverable missiles, this is another option.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 15 October 2013 13: 40
      +4
      Flight accidents

      As of November 2012, five F-22 Raptor fighters were lost in flight accidents:

      On April 25, 1992, the prototype YF-22A (ser. Number 87-0701) crashed while landing at Edwards Air Force Base and was decommissioned.

      December 20 2004 of the year F-22A (ser. Number 00-4014) crashed during take-off from the Nellis air base, the pilot ejected.

      February 11 2007 12 F-22 fighters were unable to fly from the USA to Japan due to problems with navigation software (presumably due to the intersection of the date line in the middle of the Pacific Ocean)

      25 March 2009 year F-22A (ser. Number 91-4008) crashed in the Mojave desert of California, near the Edwards air base, during a test flight, 49-year-old pilot David Cooley died.

      On November 16 of November 2010, the F-22A Block 30 (ser. Number 06-4125) crashed 160 kilometers from Anchorage during a pair training flight in 19: 40 local time. The pilot - Jeffrey Haney - died. The cause of the accident was the pilot's mistake.

      On November 15 2012, the F-22 crashed on a highway in the United States. The accident occurred in the state of Florida near the US Air Force Tyndall. The pilot of the plane managed to eject.

      On December 7 2012 during the memorial ceremony marking the 71 anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor during landing, the F-22 Raptor fighter was damaged. Aircraft repair is valued at 1,8 million dollars.

      In 2011, the total flying time of the F-22 exceeded 100 hours. Thus, a raid on one flight accident was approximately 000 hours.
    2. Botanologist
      Botanologist 15 October 2013 14: 35
      10
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      And so a flying pile of gold


      The number of Raptor in the United States is greater than the number of fighters that our Air Force expects by 2020 year. So smiling does not see the point.
      And at a cost - today any weapon turns, if not into a pile of gold, then in any case into an expensive device, and before using it, any country should think carefully. And do not send, like our MO, Tu-22 for reconnaissance of air defense positions sad
      1. Know-nothing
        Know-nothing 15 October 2013 16: 18
        +6
        By the way, in the recent "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" http://www.rg.ru/2013/10/03/letchik.html they wrote that the downed Tu-22M3 flew to bomb:
    3. cdrt
      cdrt 15 October 2013 17: 46
      0
      The only where you can use f-22 for its intended purpose is Hollywood. And so a pile of gold flying ... Although you can try it for long-range combat, but it’s also not so hot, if only he has hypersonic maneuverable missiles, this is another option.

      Some evidence is lacking.
      And then ... your associates opinion against the Air Force and half of the aviation industry of the main aviation power in the world comes out. laughing
      Proof to the studio please. winked
      1. Yun Klob
        Yun Klob 15 October 2013 19: 53
        +1
        These F-22 vs X-NUMX software are completely useless.
      2. bif
        bif 15 October 2013 22: 40
        +1
        The average cost of one car in 1996 prices increased from 32 to 72 million dollars, and by 2000, despite all measures to reduce the cost, the amount increased to 93 million dollars. Then the figure was announced in 143 million dollars, and according to the United States General Audit Office (GAO), at the end of the 2010, the total price of one F-22 aircraft reached 411,7 million dollars (apparently, taking into account R&D) ... The number of machines ordered was constantly decreasing: first, it was about quantities over 1000, then 750, 648, 442, 339, and finally, at the end of the 2011 year, they produced the last, 187-th serial ...
    4. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 15 October 2013 21: 06
      0
      For long-range combat, the MIG-31 is good.
    5. Egen
      Egen 16 October 2013 05: 47
      0
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      The only place you can use f-22 for its intended purpose is Hollywood

      Yeah, "Storming the White House" 2013. :)
    6. patsantre
      patsantre 17 October 2013 20: 09
      0
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      for long-range combat, but also somehow not so hot, if only he has hypersonic maneuverable missiles, then this is another option.

      Do you even understand what nonsense you’re gonna fuck?
  3. My doctor
    My doctor 15 October 2013 11: 39
    +5
    Well done, experimenting. They have no problems with strategy, now they are developing tactics and developing operational art in peacetime. And how true is their concept, war can show where one technological superiority will no longer be enough, or not so effective, taking into account the money spent.
    1. the polar
      the polar 15 October 2013 14: 46
      +3
      Quote: MyVrach
      Well done, experimenting. They have no problems with strategy, now they are developing tactics and developing operational art in peacetime. And how true is their concept, war can show where one technological superiority will no longer be enough, or not so effective, taking into account the money spent.

      It’s just not clear in this concept why an inconspicuous vehicle should choose an unexpected direction of attack. Indeed, in theory, it should be equally inconspicuous for the enemy from any direction. Yes, and a modern machine attacks not from a distance of 1-2 kilometers, but from tens of kilometers, and after the attack has enough time for a stealth fighter to change both the area of ​​residence and the direction of attack.
      Something a new concept weakly relies on previously announced performance characteristics of the machine.
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 15 October 2013 16: 03
        +2
        Quote: Polar
        Indeed, in theory, it should be equally inconspicuous for the enemy from any direction.

        It is only by IDEA hardly noticeable from any direction laughing It's like an UNUSUAL parachute for housewives, all UNUSUAL in advertising.
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 15 October 2013 17: 50
        +1
        It’s just not clear in this concept why an inconspicuous vehicle should choose an unexpected direction of attack. Indeed, in theory, it should be equally inconspicuous for the enemy from any direction

        Well, still not so. Stealth has many limitations regarding the direction between a radar, for example, and an aircraft. So ... you still need a special tactic in order not to substitute for long visible parts under the radar
      3. bif
        bif 15 October 2013 22: 54
        0
        Quote: Polar
        Indeed, in theory, it should be equally inconspicuous for the enemy from any direction.

        Just the opposite!!! We already know that reflection can radically change from the slightest turn or roll. The concept of “effective dispersion surface (area)” (EPR), or “effective reflective surface” (EOC) was introduced. It is believed that the EPR of the aircraft is measured at a maximum angle - from the front and with an EMPTY external suspension.

        Compare the plane with a flat metal sheet, and the parameters of the plane somehow average. And they say: EPR is equal to five square meters. Or two. Or 0,01 sq.m., as they say in the case of F-22. And of course, this is an average parameter: under some foreshortenings, it will be less, under some foreshortenings, more.

        Nobody advertises the EPR itself for new aircraft: why pamper the enemy? They give an approximate value for advertising purposes, and there you want to believe, you want not to believe. Either they lie to intimidate you, or not ...
      4. starhina01
        starhina01 16 October 2013 01: 09
        0
        Something a new concept weakly relies on previously announced TTX machines ......... stealth remains to be squeezed out to the maximum all that they can plus a couple of new-fangled devices from the latest developments. pilots to coordinate. to develop promising battle strategies .i.t.d
  4. SAG
    SAG 15 October 2013 11: 44
    +5
    Nothing has been written about the reasons for changing the concept of application! I think everything is simple here - from year to year, mass production of aircraft based on the T-50 is expected, which they see further and must hit targets at long distances. Therefore, attacks from unexpected directions through the North Pole fellow
    1. Gregazov
      Gregazov 15 October 2013 18: 22
      +2
      Is the direction across the North Pole unexpected? Laughing for a long time. Even V.P. Chkalov flew precisely in this direction because it is the shortest. Moreover, the northern border has the worst radar field. Due to geographical and climatic features. So there is nothing unexpected for us here, everything is old.
    2. bif
      bif 15 October 2013 22: 59
      0
      Quote: SAG
      Nothing has been written about the reasons for changing the concept of application!

      Everything is more prosaic, the aircraft is not capable of realizing all the foregoing concepts.
  5. Mr. Tyler
    Mr. Tyler 15 October 2013 11: 45
    10
    Everything is very logical.
    22 - the first sign of the controversial 5th generation. Continuous technological innovation of R&D and systems for aircraft construction. Since they respect the intellectual property right very much, for every patent, for every technology not newly developed, you have to pay. And then they cherish this plane, again rationally, do not scatter a limited resource, and even very expensive. This is not a front-line fighter, he has not simple tasks.
    And how effective it can be shown can only be real ammunition. The enemy of the strong must be respected and known, and not taunted.
    1. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 15 October 2013 21: 21
      0
      It’s scary to bring such an expensive and limited resource into battle even during the World War. We made flying gates during the collapse of the USSR (lack of a competitor) now think how to use this expensive trash. Maybe through the south pole?
  6. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 15 October 2013 11: 46
    +3
    During the test, the F-22 group attacked the target from an unexpected direction, flying almost over the North Pole. So it will freeze !!! wassat
    1. Algor73
      Algor73 15 October 2013 17: 39
      +4
      Only those who are accustomed to blame everything Ameroeuropean, without bothering themselves with elementary calculations, analyzes, like a child, will shout (write) that he (F-22) will freeze, fall, the glass will fog up, the wheel will be punctured, etc. And he, you see, flies in the cold too ... Underestimating the enemy at the everyday level is stupid, at the state level it is a crime.
  7. Russ69
    Russ69 15 October 2013 12: 16
    0
    Quote: slavik_gross
    During the test, the F-22 group attacked the target from an unexpected direction, flying almost over the North Pole.

    Apparently flying over the North Pole, the arch is a difficult task for the Raptor ... smile
    But seriously, a lot has been written about the fact that the use of the aircraft raises many questions, especially now. Here you want it, not it, but life makes you think ...
  8. Gl00mDaem0n
    Gl00mDaem0n 15 October 2013 12: 34
    +2
    This is certainly interesting, but who talks about his military know-how to the whole world ?! Apparently, in fact, this tactic is How-Know :) as Zadornov said.
  9. lelikas
    lelikas 15 October 2013 12: 52
    +3
    From the beginning, ours, in the manner of the Yankees, unite all the air forces in several bases, then they make the abort -
    wait for a new air force reform?
  10. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 15 October 2013 13: 00
    +4
    They frarazali with this airplane. Now they are trying to adjust the use to prevailing opportunity package
  11. Evgeny_Lev
    Evgeny_Lev 15 October 2013 13: 15
    +3
    I still don't understand, "unexpected" directions are somehow connected with the use of "unexpected" airfields? Well, there, I am silent about landing on an unpaved one, but I am talking about the infrastructure at the "unexpected" airfield, which would allow for "quick refueling, replenishment of ammunition, and a change of position" (C)

    I see that they are going to use an extra board, with service staff. Do they need to guard this board?

    IMHO crap
  12. Curt
    Curt 15 October 2013 13: 26
    +2
    He's like an invincible 5+ stealth fighter that tears everything apart, the plane which "has not yet found opponents" why should he attack from unexpected directions? :) or is 5+ not like that and 5+? :)
  13. Altona
    Altona 15 October 2013 13: 27
    +3
    If for tactical perversions come up for the F-22, then what Pentagon tactics will be cast for the F-35? Apparently, contact fighting is contraindicated for these birds, since a meeting with Russian 4 plus or their Chinese clone does not bode well ... The same can be said about the meeting of the Raptorov and Lightning 2 with modern all-air defense ... In general, you need to think a lot ... over their application ...
    1. alexng
      alexng 15 October 2013 15: 39
      +2
      And immediately the question arises: is it worth it to use, if it can no longer be used in normal conditions. Probably he will be used only when they agree with the enemy on a free corridor for this elite beast.
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  14. vahatak
    vahatak 15 October 2013 13: 33
    +5
    "The advantage of the new method of using fighters is that ..."

    Yes, there is no advantage here. It’s just 22 of them (F-200) and it’s impossible to use them massively. It would be 2000, would be used as F-16.
  15. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 15 October 2013 13: 36
    +2
    So the Americans have the equipment to fight aliens, they will protect us, and what can Russia do? Okay, we neighed over the F-35, but in fact the fifth-generation fighter in Russia does not and does not need to be said that we do not need it, so it’s possible slide to an absolutely catching side.
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 15 October 2013 15: 30
      +1
      The Russian Federation is a US province and conscientiously conducts reconnaissance in battle, absorbing alien torpedoes onboard. Americans keep statistics. Aircraft do not get a torpedo, but a beam of ions - the speed and generation of the device do not affect. A raptor shaving between nuclear mushrooms can and will fly ...
    2. poquello
      poquello 15 October 2013 20: 01
      +1
      Quote: Standard Oil
      So the Americans have the equipment to fight aliens, they will protect us, and what can Russia do? Okay, we neighed over the F-35, but in fact the fifth-generation fighter in Russia does not and does not need to be said that we do not need it, so it’s possible slide to an absolutely catching side.

      They themselves are like aliens. "Mars attacks"
  16. Flyers
    Flyers 15 October 2013 14: 15
    +1
    Most importantly, they use different tactics and they still have the opportunity to try it in action. What can’t be said about us, we can’t try our old one before!
  17. 0255
    0255 15 October 2013 14: 25
    +1
    Suddenly the first attack - is this really a new concept of F-22? hadn't anyone suddenly attacked the enemy before? and you can’t strike a sudden blow not from the F-22, but from another plane?
    1. poquello
      poquello 15 October 2013 20: 11
      +2
      Quote: 0255
      Suddenly the first attack - is this really a new concept of F-22? hadn't anyone suddenly attacked the enemy before? and you can’t strike a sudden blow not from the F-22, but from another plane?

      They have seen enough of the Israelites, but since everything American cannot but be new, the concept is new.
      1. 0255
        0255 15 October 2013 23: 34
        0
        They have seen enough of the Israelites, but since everything American cannot but be new, the concept is new.

        Indeed, how did the Jews without Raptors manage to destroy the Egyptian Tu-1967 and Il-16 on the ground in 28? And destroy the Iraqi reactor in 1982? wassat
        Po-2 pilots also attacked the Germans in WWII, and then the Americans in Korea, suddenly and from unexpected directions. So this "concept" is as old as the world.
        Anyway, people, probably always, starting from primitive times, when batons and stones were used as weapons, tried to attack the enemy suddenly.
  18. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 15 October 2013 14: 28
    0
    If eroplan guano, then it will be guano, which tactics do not use. And this "new tactic" is nothing more than throwing dust in the eyes of the taxpayers, at whose expense it was created and built. Let those who have a better memory for numbers tell (or correct): it seems like it was already in print that for him a few extra minus degrees of death are similar. And then - almost across the North Pole! How much is a little? 300-400 miles north of the home base?
    1. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 15 October 2013 15: 00
      +2
      But if AUG is across the pole. In this maneuver! Absolutely unexpected.
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 15 October 2013 18: 05
      +1
      If the eroplan is guano, then he will be guano, which tactics do not use.

      No, not so.
      An example is Zero and F4F. In a horizontal battle, Zero did what he wanted with the F4F. When the Americans chose the right tactics - fighting on the verticals, entering the attack and leaving it in a dive - the battles became virtually equal.
    3. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 15 October 2013 21: 30
      +2
      No, modern planes fly at heights of 20 km and there is no difference in outboard temperature; you fly above the equator or the north pole.
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  20. Old skeptic
    Old skeptic 15 October 2013 15: 50
    +4
    As far as I understand, this is the tactics of the front-line aviation of the Second World War "attack from jump airfields" (this is the know-type-how :).
    Attention is the question - where will they find so many high-quality jump airfields for this "golden bird"? Maintenance of WWII planes and "dinosaurs" is heaven and earth. And the number of hours of service outside the base will jump at times (sorry for the rhyme).
  21. Cherdak
    Cherdak 15 October 2013 16: 17
    +4
    Quote: Old Skeptic
    For F-22 in the United States will create a new concept of application


    Found a long time!
  22. Atenon
    Atenon 15 October 2013 16: 20
    +2
    Was the information about the downed f22 confirmed or again the invention of the magazine?
    1. 0255
      0255 15 October 2013 21: 52
      +1
      Quote: AtenON
      Was the information about the downed f22 confirmed or again the invention of the magazine?

      Americans will never confirm such info until its fragments are shown to the whole world.
  23. Chever
    Chever 15 October 2013 16: 29
    0
    Well, it's theory for now. While they will be implemented, a lot of things can change in them ...
  24. USNik
    USNik 15 October 2013 17: 06
    +1
    CherdakFound a long time!
    +1 drinks

    The new tactical unit consists of 4 F-22 fighters, one C-17 Globmaster III military transport aircraft

    Well done, they thought up correctly, now the MiG-31 will be able to bring down not one Raptor, but four good But seriously, from the outside it looks like an attempt to come up with the use of an aircraft created at one time and for one purpose, for completely different purposes and another time, whether we will succeed or not ...
    1. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 15 October 2013 21: 46
      0
      USNik Can you please tell me this "Globemaster 3" Also invisible, or its illumination on the radar screens, it will cover the F-22.
      1. USNik
        USNik 16 October 2013 13: 04
        0
        The transporter will wait for the Raptor's return / non-return to the base airfield.
    2. pechv
      pechv 15 October 2013 22: 04
      0
      Yes, everything looks like in a bad story. First they made a plane, riveted them in two hundred pieces. And then they thought - what to do with all this good?

      That's the concept so that no one understands anything. But there are many questions - the pilots are suffocating, there is no connection, weapons are only for fighting the natives. It’s difficult to fly to Japan ...

      Americans have always been able to make good weapons. Talented engineers, unlimited finance. Maybe we are being deceived? Is he still the best and inaccessible?
      Although, hard to believe. There is no grace and beauty in it. And as one great aircraft designer said, an ugly airplane cannot fly well.
      1. Egen
        Egen 16 October 2013 06: 00
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        Quote: pechv
        That's the concept so that no one understands anything

        That's right :)
        I don’t understand in it: modern air defense - as a system - will detect it anyway, it will not go anywhere. Electronics determine the target and aim the ZR - a matter of seconds. Let the plane itself be missed on the way, but if the rocket is launched from afar, it will be spotted, if it comes closer to drop guided bombs, it will be covered. At least at the moment of opening the bomb bay, something I did not hear that this problem was effectively solved. Then why "sneak up from unexpected directions"? :) For electronics there are no "unexpected" ones, they don't care 360 ​​degrees :)
        It seems to make sense if the enemy has a weak or outdated air defense system, for example (possibly) Syria. But these are local wars, for them using the Raptor is the same as using nails with a microscope. And from where to "sneak up from an unexpected direction" - through the Caucasus? :)))
        In principle, stupid, you can use massively at least F-111.
        Therefore, I am also inclined to believe that at first we made aircraft, and now they are trying to figure out what to do with them.
  25. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 15 October 2013 17: 24
    +1
    The weakest link in this concept is the presence of a refueling aircraft, it’s easy to detect it and immediately calculate the possible attack paths.
  26. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 15 October 2013 19: 36
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    And is this a plane?
    1. 0255
      0255 15 October 2013 21: 54
      +1
      the poor pilot of the F-22 then spent 5 hours in the cockpit wassat
  27. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 15 October 2013 19: 36
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    [media = http: //kramtp.info/UserFiles/image/F-22-3.jpg]
  28. Revolver
    Revolver 15 October 2013 20: 24
    +1
    The main thing is that there is an airplane, but they’ll come up with a concept of application somehow. But still I would like not to have to apply.
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 15 October 2013 20: 55
      +2
      Quote: Nagan
      The main thing is that there is an airplane, but they’ll come up with a concept of application somehow.

      This is typically American, at first they do, then they come up with something laughing They will throw them with Tomahawks, then they will announce that it was F22, but nobody just saw them.
      1. Patriot.ru.
        Patriot.ru. 15 October 2013 21: 55
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        with the Tomahawks it’s not easy either. In the Mediterranean Sea two Tomahawks took off in the direction of Syria and fell into the sea (At that time 11 of our ships were there) After that (2 days) they came up with disarmament of Syria chemical weapons, and the desire to bomb Syria was gone I think everything is interconnected here.
    2. 0255
      0255 15 October 2013 21: 55
      +1
      Quote: Nagan
      The main thing is that there is an airplane, but they’ll come up with a concept of application somehow. But still I would like not to have to apply.

      so F-22 in the wars for oil and democracy has not yet been applied negative
      1. Patriot.ru.
        Patriot.ru. 15 October 2013 22: 09
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        Well, you can rub it in the toilet with dollars.
  29. Mercenary
    Mercenary 15 October 2013 20: 29
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    ish what the bastards came up with. and about freezing it is of course bust. our aircraft are more often tested in winter at sub-zero temperatures. higher performance characteristics + reliability of all systems.
    1. tomket
      tomket 15 October 2013 23: 36
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      Well, raptors regularly fly over Alaska, what kind of lyad they will freeze then ???? anyway, do you know what temperature is usually at an altitude of km so 15?
  30. Yarik
    Yarik 15 October 2013 21: 48
    +1
    But still it’s interesting, not a plane for a concept, but vice versa. Strange ...
  31. Just
    Just 15 October 2013 22: 50
    +1
    For those who did not understand what this article was about, the manufacturer was not able to hold out the aircraft to the required performance characteristics, so you have to change the battle tactics.
    Is that clear?
    At the moment, the Raptor perfectly performs only one task - it brings profit to its creators.
  32. avg
    avg 15 October 2013 23: 00
    +2
    1.To completely confuse the Russians, urgently develop a 144-hour attack through the south pole.
    2. The left flank of the group will be on the right flank, and the right on the left.
    3. The strategy urgently needs to be patented. And forbid everyone else to use. Selling a patent only to allies of category 1, ONLY FOR CASH AND ONLY TOGETHER WITH AIRCRAFT!
  33. vvpll
    vvpll 16 October 2013 00: 58
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    The main tactical unit in the framework of the new tactics is a small group of F-22, which is supposed to be used from unexpected directions of striking at a designated target.

    And if suddenly there are no unexpected directions to immediately complain to the UN that the adversary is supposedly a dictator, the law has not been written for him, he is fighting against the rules and does not comply with any concepts.
  34. shinobi
    shinobi 16 October 2013 05: 35
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    A new strategy of application! Yeah, yeah. It's 40 years old as a new one. We open the journal "Foreign Military Review" for 1973, issue 5 seems to be, and read the article "Analysis of the use of strike aircraft of NATO countries to overcome air defense." willing to fight
  35. darksidewarrior
    darksidewarrior 16 October 2013 05: 55
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    Dumb article. There is no need to build experts from yourself and look for hidden meaning where it does not exist.
  36. haralaan
    haralaan 16 October 2013 08: 36
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    Trying to save on downed Raptor by surprise. However, until the first downed plane. As the Raptor is brought down, its production will be frozen. Too expensive toy
    1. vahatak
      vahatak 16 October 2013 11: 26
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      So its production seems to have ended.