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Air Force of five Western countries rehearsed control over the Arctic

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Air Force of five Western countries rehearsed control over the Arctic

13-26 September The Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian, British and US air forces took part in the Arctic Challenge 2013 joint military exercises, aereo.jor.br reported today.


From the British Air Force in six-week maneuvers, six Typhoon fighters participated, which were deployed to Lewchars. The USAF was represented by the F-15C and F-15E fighter jets. British fighters were controlled from the Norbotten base by the Swedish Air Force, and the American, respectively, by the Orland and Buda bases, by the Norwegian Air Force. The Norwegian Air Force operated with F-16AM fighters, Finland - F-18C, Sweden - Gripen (Kallax base).

The Arctic Challenge exercises have become an excellent opportunity for planning, conducting and evaluating the use of large forces aviation in an unlimited area with various scenarios.

During the exercises, interaction with the non-NATO air forces was tested.





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  1. a52333
    a52333 15 October 2013 10: 40
    12
    The race for the Arctic is gaining momentum. We are not asleep either. Peter shot back, the airdrome began to be repaired.
    1. alone
      alone 15 October 2013 10: 53
      -19 qualifying.
      Quote: a52333
      Peter shot back, the airdrome began to be repaired.


      these are rehearsing control over the arctic, and you have just started repairing the airfield. and this is called "not dozing"
      1. 6 sunrise 9
        6 sunrise 9 15 October 2013 11: 18
        11
        For your information, the Russian Federation has begun patrolling the Arctic with its strategic aviation since 2008. And the fleet of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation is the most combat-ready of all the fleets of the Russian Federation, its underwater part is especially problematic for our "western partners". These exercises, as for me, are just muscle flexing, but I am glad that the Russian Federation also conducts exercises, and already constantly.

        It’s interesting where Sweden and Finland climb, because they do not enter NATO and nevertheless climb into the Arctic (to which they have no access). It’s very smart to spoil relations with the Russian Federation.
        1. alone
          alone 15 October 2013 11: 25
          -22 qualifying.
          firstly, just do not poke, as I didn’t sit at the same table and drink or bite. These are patrolled by fighters, and you are strategic bombers. Do you know where the base of strategic bombers is? and about the Federation Council of the Russian Federation, it may be the strongest of all fleets, I do not argue, but here we are talking about aviation)))
          1. 6 sunrise 9
            6 sunrise 9 15 October 2013 11: 57
            +3
            Quote: lonely
            I didn’t sit and drink at the same table and did not eat


            Is it possible in Islam?

            Well, about your question, I’ll answer the question do you seriously think that they will attack the Russian Federation? In the event of war, there is not only aviation here, here the Navy will be involved and the fleet will also be involved.
            1. alone
              alone 15 October 2013 12: 08
              +6
              the conversation here is not about whether they will attack or not attack. the article indicates that the airfield is being repaired. this means that everything that flies from Russia flies from distant air bases, and the one directly close to the north has just begun to be repaired. but in this situation the phrase " we are not asleep "already smells of hurray-patriotism. if you think that the airfield has not been repaired for 20 years and they began to repair it only now, this is normal, then there is no point in arguing with you here.

              Quote: 6Sunrise9
              But according to Islam, is it really possible


              I live in a secular state)) drink and have a bite of my personal affair. and the fact that religion is forbidden and I violate this ban, after death I will answer for my sins))) Iranians are also Muslims and live in the Islamic Republic, but vodka is drowned in Baku no worse than we are))
              1. 6 sunrise 9
                6 sunrise 9 15 October 2013 12: 34
                +5
                Or maybe I missed something
                The 2nd air group of 7000 airbase is located in Karelia - Su-27P, Su-27UB aircraft.
                The 3rd air group of 7000 airbases is located in the Murmansk Region - Su-24M, Su-24MR, MiG-25RB, MiG-25PU, MiG-31, MiG-31BM aircraft.
                The 6th air group of 7000 airbases is located in the Leningrad Region, but there are only transport aircraft there.
                Greetings to Swedes and Finam from the 7th air group of 7000 airbase located in the Kaliningrad region - Su-27P, Su-27UB.

                8th Guards Novgorod-Klaipeda Red Banner Air Group Marshal Aviation Borzov 7000 airbase in the Kaliningrad region. armed with Su-24M aircraft.
                1. alone
                  alone 15 October 2013 12: 53
                  +3
                  Kaliningrad, Murmansk, the Leningrad region - and this is the whole north of Russia? don’t get hung up on Swedes and Finns, take a swing higher; I wonder if there are air bases on the Taimyr Peninsula, on the Yamal Peninsula, or closer to the Alaska? the fact that in these areas there are air carriers is good.
                  1. oapvokin
                    oapvokin 15 October 2013 19: 23
                    0
                    Tiksi at Taimyr
                  2. Lawless
                    Lawless 16 October 2013 09: 29
                    0
                    Well, in the Laptev Sea, I vaguely imagine the landing of amers ...
                2. VAF
                  VAF 15 October 2013 16: 58
                  +3
                  Quote: 6Sunrise9
                  Or maybe I missed something


                  Miss it did not miss ... or rather, you just do not know a few points as:
                  1. Ruler measure the distance from the bases listed by you at least to the Barents Sea region (or will you relocate everything to Kilpy?).
                  2. Forget the MiG-25RB and PU ... everything extreme flew off. Su-24M and MR .. what's this ????
                  3. And most importantly, the number .... soldier

                  So there are reasons to throw hats and scream fellow no .. no! soldier
                  1. Sakmagon
                    Sakmagon 16 October 2013 09: 07
                    0
                    Fighter in the Arctic !!!
                    Scary, already terrible! (V. Vysotsky)
                    1. Sakmagon
                      Sakmagon 16 October 2013 09: 14
                      +3
                      Especially annoying the number of fighters ...
                3. DimychDV
                  DimychDV 16 October 2013 08: 29
                  0
                  As a media person, I would like for us to have photo and video information about military technology not only done, but BECAME the same masters as behind the cordon. And as for the airfields - so, after all, probably, for a long time there is no strategic aviation regiment in Yelizovo, for example? But they flew around, presumably, and the North of the Pacific, and the Arctic to the pole ...
              2. yurii p
                yurii p 15 October 2013 17: 44
                0
                Well, thank God that means nothing human is alien to them, as well as decency and respect for other people.
          2. 6 sunrise 9
            6 sunrise 9 15 October 2013 11: 59
            -3
            And even if you don’t know then the strat. bombers always cover fighter jets or multi-purpose aircraft.
            1. VAF
              VAF 15 October 2013 17: 14
              +2
              Quote: 6Sunrise9
              And even if you don’t know then the strat. bombers always cover fighter jets or multi-purpose aircraft.


              Yah??? belay And "hto" told you that? Or again something like "Urya-Star" looked or "Polygon"? wassat

              Tie ... especially at night ... harmful to ... intellectual ... content lol

              Firstly, they do not cover, but they accompany, secondly, in very strictly limited areas .... you understand the radius of action ... not enough wink
              1. 6 sunrise 9
                6 sunrise 9 15 October 2013 20: 55
                0
                Quote: vaf
                First, they do not cover, but accompany


                Is there a difference nerd xp * new?


                Quote: vaf
                secondly, in very strictly limited areas .... do you understand the radius of action ... not enough


                Given that the radius of the permissible missile X-55SM is 3000km. then she can hit any city located in Europe and for this it is unnecessary to even go beyond the airspace of the Russian Federation. For the United States, it is better to use land-based ICBMs or the marine component of the strategic nuclear forces.

                Quote: vaf
                Tie ... especially at night ... harmful to ... intellectual ... content


                Watch your brain for a wise guy.
          3. LOCKS
            LOCKS 15 October 2013 12: 14
            +3
            No need to quarrel. Strategies alone do not go, you should know this no worse than me. And about the fleet, so he can stand up for himself well and scare him with fighters is not worth it.
            1. VAF
              VAF 15 October 2013 17: 16
              +1
              Quote: LOCKS
              Strategists alone don’t go,


              Strategists go .. one day! That's why they are strategists, no matter where they go ... no one could .. get! soldier
        2. a52333
          a52333 15 October 2013 11: 30
          +3
          Sweden has problems with the "chair". Permanent. And here they are, as their problem is aggravated, our bombers flew by. and somehow easier at once. fellow
        3. VAF
          VAF 15 October 2013 17: 10
          0
          Quote: 6Sunrise9
          For your information, the Russian Federation began patrolling the Arctic with its strategic aviation in 2008.


          So what? belay What can your strategic Tu-95MS and Tu-160 contrast with the NATO Navy?

          Quote: 6Sunrise9
          And the fleet of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation is the most efficient of all the fleets of the Russian Federation,

          More precisely, it should be expressed ... of all the non-combatant fleets of the SF at least somehow, although the same .. with a very big strain, except that only the BDK wassat
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 15 October 2013 17: 20
            +6
            Quote: vaf
            More precisely, it should be expressed ... of all the non-combatant fleets of the SF at least somehow, although the same .. with a very big strain, except that only the BDK

            VAF, the fact that we, the Air Force and the Navy have enough problems and they cannot be solved quickly, no one argues with this.
            But answer, why does it cause such a wild joy in you? Judging by the comments and emoticons.
            1. VAF
              VAF 15 October 2013 17: 23
              +1
              Quote: Russ69
              But answer, why does it cause such a wild joy in you? Judging by the comments and emoticons.


              The answer is ... here, as according to M. Zadornov .... "there is still in the world ... and on our website ... STUPID" wassat ... here and ... "untied".
              1. Russ69
                Russ69 15 October 2013 17: 33
                +3
                Quote: vaf
                The answer is ... here, as according to M. Zadornov .... "there is still in the world ... and on our site ... STUPID" ... that's ... "untied."

                Extremely controversial moment ...
                1. VAF
                  VAF 15 October 2013 17: 56
                  -3
                  Quote: Russ69
                  Extremely controversial moment ...


                  Well, how can he be controversial if a person "interferes" in the area in which well, in general ... fool ,those. even close .. not standing close ... but Urya-strategist ..ponyamesh wassat

                  And secondly, I’m going home from work, my wife calls, jam. Buy some testicles ... I drove in and ... ah ... uel ... 56 rubles belay
                  Is that ... made of gold steel?
                  I turn on the box. News 24. and there .. 2 teletubbies "from the office of the LADY .." broadcasts "how we are doing well .. on economic security wassat
                  That’s the conclusion .. we are all DUPE in this country, because they hold us for BARANS !!!
                  Z.Y. Sorry, but ... it’s already boiling up .... wedging !!! angry
                  1. Russ69
                    Russ69 15 October 2013 18: 12
                    +2
                    Quote: vaf
                    Well, how can it be controversial if a person "interferes" in the area in which well, in general ..., ie. not even close ... not standing nearby ... but urya strategist ... you understand

                    So you, then you should not go into topics other than aviation ... However, it happens here you mess ... Not only I noticed ... smile
                    But this is normal, not reproach.
                    And secondly, I’m going home from work, my wife calls, jam. Buy some testicles ... I drove in and ... ah ... got ... 56 rubles belay
                    At less than 40 ...
                    That’s the conclusion .. we are all DUPE in this country, because they hold us for BARANS !!!
                    Z.Y. Sorry, but ... it’s already boiling up .... wedging !!! angry

                    Well ... to each his own ... smile
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 15 October 2013 18: 56
                      +1
                      Quote: Russ69
                      So you, then you should not go into topics other than aviation ... However, here it happens that you mess ... Not only I noticed ..


                      So I practically do not "climb" into other topics. and if I "intervene" it is only with questions. not with statements.

                      Regarding the "mess", this is all the "dream dreams" of the Avenger and the Welder .. "korefeys from .. aviation: wassat" no more complaints have been received .. so it's you .. in vain wink On account of that ... I was not the only one to notice lol

                      About 40 ... then Rostov is again ... ahead of the rest of the planet .... we have the average salary in the region as much as 28 thousand .. (according to Golubev): wassat

                      And about "Suum cuique"..that's how .. is wink
                      1. Russ69
                        Russ69 15 October 2013 19: 06
                        -1
                        Quote: vaf
                        Regarding the "crap", these are all the "dream dreams" of the Avenger and the Welder .. "korefeys from .. aviation: wassat" no more complaints have been received .. so it's you .. in vain.

                        Not only he, I myself, according to some statements, in your topic. But mistakes, this is the thing that everyone has ...
                        So for my part, this is not a complaint or something like that ... As they say, it happens and it’s not worth it to go in cycles. smile
                      2. VAF
                        VAF 15 October 2013 19: 53
                        +2
                        Quote: Russ69
                        Not only he, I myself, according to some statements, in your topic. But mistakes, this is the thing that everyone has ...



                        As the saying goes ... the facts in the studio ..... otherwise, all this .. verbal statements! wink
                      3. Russ69
                        Russ69 15 October 2013 20: 12
                        0
                        Quote: vaf
                        As the saying goes ... the facts in the studio ..... otherwise, all this .. verbal statements!

                        I won’t search for posts, it’s a troublesome business ... and beer is waiting for me in the sports bar. Football is about to begin ...
                        But, offhand; statement that India refused the T-50. According to the new IL 476, he previously stated that he was forced to sell at a price that was not able to recoup production. It’s recently, quite the opposite, that it is being pulled in at a price 2,5 times higher ...
                        VAF , remembering everything is stupid. But as I catch again, do not wait for mercy ... smile
                        Okay, I went to drink beer and watch football ... drinks
                      4. VAF
                        VAF 15 October 2013 20: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: Russ69
                        But, offhand; statement that India refused the T-50.


                        Well, I didn’t refuse, and maybe participation will stall ..... the confirmation of Shoigu in Brazil wink

                        Quote: Russ69
                        According to the new IL 476, he previously stated that he was forced to sell at a price that was not able to recoup production. It’s recently, quite the opposite, that it is being pulled in at a price 2,5 times higher ...


                        And now I declare that for 130 lyam no one will buy it from commerce.
                        What does the opposite mean? belay Or do you not know that the IL-76TD-90A costs 55 lyam ... and this is 99% of the IL-476, so consider it .. how many times.

                        Quote: Russ69
                        vaf, remembering everything is stupid. But as I catch again, then do not wait for mercy ..


                        So I advise- CLASSICS should be quoted .. EXACTLY! wink
                        And then try ... to "catch" ... like Vova 21 kg pike, which in the photo is 1,5 times less than 9 kg from Lukashenka wassat
                      5. Botanologist
                        Botanologist 15 October 2013 21: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: vaf
                        like Vova 21 kg pike, which in the photo is 1,5 times smaller than 9 kg from Lukashenko


                        The pike was special, in body armor fellow , and pulled a half pounds. Do not simplify!
                      6. Russ69
                        Russ69 15 October 2013 23: 26
                        0
                        Quote: vaf
                        Well, I didn’t refuse, and maybe participation will stall ..... the confirmation of Shoigu in Brazil

                        And what is the confirmation here? The f-35, even more partners, goes according to your logic, everything is generally bad there ... smile
                        What does the opposite mean belay Or do you not know that the IL-76TD-90A costs 55 lyam ... and this is 99% of the IL-476, so consider it .. how many times.

                        In this case, this is not your topic ...
                        The first is inflation.
                        Secondly, the start of production on the stocks of the IL-76 workshop, and start production in a new place. completely different financial losses.
                        IL-76TD-90A costs 55 lyam ... and this is 99% of IL-476, so count it ... how many times.

                        And this, amateurism talk about 99% compatibility, especially in production ...
                        So I advise- CLASSICS should be quoted .. EXACTLY!

                        I'm not for the classics, I spoke for myself ... wink
                        So be afraid ... am laughing
            2. Ruslandeth
              Ruslandeth 16 October 2013 05: 26
              0
              and we have testicles for 76 rubles. laughing from Platinum, by vaf
          2. Snipe 74
            Snipe 74 15 October 2013 19: 37
            +1
            Understand. Also very boiling.
    2. alone
      alone 15 October 2013 19: 22
      +3
      Quote: Russ69
      the fact that we, the Air Force and the Navy have enough problems and they won’t be able to solve quickly, no one argues with that.


      hi looked at its cons and thought: it was necessary to shout cheers))) I just expressed bewilderment at the joy that was expressed in some comments. And judging by the minuses, I think I'm right, since all Uryalkins are so actively minus)))
      1. VAF
        VAF 15 October 2013 19: 58
        0
        hi looked at his cons and thought: it was necessary to shout cheers))) I just expressed bewilderment at the joy that was expressed in some comments. And judging by the minuses, I think I'm right, since all Uryalkins are so actively minus))) [/ quote

        Want to go to "odrbryams" ??? wink Right .. not worth it. Such as you are you PERSONALITY! +! drinks with all YOUR OPINION, VISION, ANALYTICS, etc.

        And on fellow you don’t have much mind ... fellow and that's all, but also to do "KU" wassat
        1. alone
          alone 15 October 2013 22: 00
          0
          thanks for the words. drinks drinks
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 15 October 2013 19: 58
        +3
        Quote: lonely
        looked at its cons and thought: it was necessary to shout cheers)))

        Uryalkins, there is on either side ... However, like the eternal pessimists. hi
        1. VAF
          VAF 15 October 2013 20: 16
          +1
          Quote: Russ69
          Uryalkins, there is on either side


          More precisely, the Uryakalkins on the one, and .. spiteful people (there are, unfortunately) on the other.

          Quote: Russ69
          However, like the eternal pessimists.


          I fundamentally disagree .... the term is more suitable, sorry for tuftology-REAL REALISTS! drinks
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 15 October 2013 23: 29
            -1
            Quote: vaf
            More precisely, the Uryakalkins on the one, and .. spiteful people (there are, unfortunately) on the other.

            Again, which side to look at ....
            I fundamentally disagree .... the term is more suitable, sorry for tuftology-REAL REALISTS!

            Well, laughed ... laughing
  2. 6 sunrise 9
    6 sunrise 9 15 October 2013 21: 02
    -1
    Quote: vaf
    So what? What can your strategic Tu-95MS and Tu-160 contrast with the NATO Navy?


    fool let's say launch strategic cruise missiles at the main bases of the NATO Navy and, accordingly, send most of the fleet to the bottom.
  • zanoza
    zanoza 15 October 2013 11: 21
    +5
    Nadeyusb that our air defense forces also "participated" passively in these exercises. We trained, so to speak, on "kitties" wink
    1. VAF
      VAF 15 October 2013 17: 19
      +2
      Quote: zanoza
      I hope that our air defense forces also "participated" passively in these exercises.


      And what do we have "air defense forces" that can be 1 versts of something .. "launch" belay
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 15 October 2013 17: 37
        +3
        Quote: vaf
        And what do we have "air defense forces" that can be 1 versts of something .. "launch"

        And what was necessary to shoot, during NATO training flights ... smile
        In such cases, there are other procedures ...
        1. VAF
          VAF 15 October 2013 18: 01
          +1
          Quote: Russ69
          And what was necessary to shoot during NATO training flights.


          I liked Ivanov's "maneuvers" lol This is when .... "Comrade General ... the Americans moved the fleet, so what .. we are the same .. designate our presence." lol

          Quote: Russ69
          In such cases, there are other procedures ..


          I remember, I remember ... "procedures" .. when the "great" Peter ... how many days he searched for Kursk, instead of with the entire SF ????? And this is at a depth of only 100 meters, despite the fact that the coordinates of the area were known!

          And you say ... activities!
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 15 October 2013 18: 17
            0
            Liked Ivanov's "maneuvers" lol This is when .... "comrade general ... the Americans moved the fleet, so what .. we are the same .. denote our presence" lol

            Unfortunately, this happened ...
            I remember, I remember ... "procedures" .. when the "great" Peter ... how many days he searched for Kursk, instead of with the entire SF ????? And this is at a depth of only 100 meters, despite the fact that the coordinates of the area were known!

            Well, and how much ...?
            And you say ... activities!

            Do we have absolutely no surveillance ...?
            1. VAF
              VAF 15 October 2013 19: 06
              +1
              Quote: Russ69
              Unfortunately, this happened ...


              Well ... and you say ... "crap"laughing

              Quote: Russ69
              Well, and how much ...?


              Three DAYS !!! : belay

              Quote: Russ69
              Do we have absolutely no surveillance ...?


              And what's the use? request Statement of fact? lol

              I recently posted a post on Vikra and Orion circled him .... the same .. observed, you know .... and something was not "noticed2 as the norg almost passed over the deck wassat , and while the MiG-31 with DZ from Mnchegorsk "came running" norga and the trace disappeared ... here's the whole answer ... about "observation" lol
              1. Russ69
                Russ69 15 October 2013 19: 23
                +1
                Quote: vaf
                Well ... and you say ... "crap"

                Once at a time it is not necessary, everyone misfires ... smile
                Moreover, during the time of Ivanov with access to the sea, it was tight, as with a raid in the Air Force ...
                Three DAYS !!! : belay

                oh ...
                And what's the point? request Statement of fact? lol

                They that flew at our borders, it was enough to watch ...
                I recently posted a post on Vikra and Orion circled him .... the same .. observed, you know .... and something was not "noticed2 how the wassat passed almost over the deck, but for now the MiG-31 with DZ from Mnchegorska "came running" norga and the trail disappeared ... here's the whole answer ... about "observation"

                Ours, too, flew over the decks of American aircraft carriers, an unexpected person, even despite the escort and all the other bells and whistles. Vikra, don't count ours anymore, let the Indians worry about him ... smile
              2. Alex 241
                Alex 241 15 October 2013 19: 32
                +3
                Hi Seryoz, there was such a thing laughing Here's more about the Norwegians: The incident occurred in the Barents Sea on April 10. The crew of the Orion aircraft of the Norwegian Air Force twice observed the Russian MiG-31, tracking maneuvers of the Norwegian side at a safe distance. Soon after, the Russian fighter was on the tail of the Orion.

                “We do not have accurate data on the distance between the planes, but the planes were unreasonably close,” says Norwegian Defense Ministry spokesman Jon Espen Lien in an interview with BarentsObserver. “It should also be borne in mind that with such a distance between aircraft, maneuvering is significantly more difficult.”

                The Norwegian military has not yet discussed the incident with their Russian counterparts. “Such cases are usually dealt with at the operational level. This has not yet been done, ”said Lien.

                “For the Norwegian and Russian authorities, the common goal is to avoid such incidents that could lead to unsafe situations. The actions of crews in such situations are regulated by international conventions, ”said Jon Espen Lien, emphasizing that the incident will be discussed at the appropriate time during a regular scheduled meeting.

                For the first time, an incident in the airspace above the Barents Sea became known thanks to a publication in the local Norwegian newspaper Andøyposten, which was published on the island of Andoya, where the Norwegian Orion aircraft are based. The information got on the Internet thanks to the blogger The Aviationist, whose blog is dedicated to military and civil aviation.
                1. andrei332809
                  andrei332809 15 October 2013 20: 28
                  +3
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  but the planes were unreasonably close
  • Edward72
    Edward72 15 October 2013 11: 47
    +2
    It’s good that they started to repair, to look for places for a couple of three places of jump airfields.
    1. VAF
      VAF 15 October 2013 17: 39
      +3
      Quote: Edward72
      still look for places for a couple of three places of jump airfields.


      No need to look for anything .. everything is there, that’s the true state .. bring it in line.
      Kilps, Monchegorsk, Deer, Severomorsk, Kem, Afrikanda, Savvatey, Alykel, Rogachevo, Gr
      Emm-Bell, Besovets, Anadyr (Vaskovo), Talagi Lakhta, etc., etc. etc. soldier
      1. family tree
        family tree 15 October 2013 20: 33
        +2
        Quote: vaf
        Anadyr (Vaskovo), Talagi

        Anadyr-Ugolny, Vaskovo, like Talagi, in Arkhangelsk.
        1. VAF
          VAF 15 October 2013 20: 45
          +1
          Quote: perepilka
          Anadyr-Ugolny, Vaskovo, like Talagi, in Arkhangelsk.


          I agree to all 100%, just in a hurry and .. typed! +! drinks
          1. family tree
            family tree 15 October 2013 23: 20
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            I agree to all 100%, just in a hurry and .. typed! +! drinks

            Not so abandoned, GA uses, there is no way without it request
      2. Shturmovik
        Shturmovik 15 October 2013 23: 52
        0
        Deer and Severomorsk, in good condition. In September, they flew with them.
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 15 October 2013 10: 42
    +8
    I do not like their activity. it would be necessary for our bombers to control the space around northern Europe
    1. VAF
      VAF 15 October 2013 17: 21
      +4
      Quote: andrei332809
      it would be necessary for our bombers to control the space around northern Europe


      Andrey, here it is like in a film ... "you need something, but where can you get their relatives ... so much" crying
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 15 October 2013 17: 52
        +4
        Quote: vaf
        "you need something, but where can you get their relatives ..

        Ser, what kind of person are you? With your truth, you are killing all optimism recourse
        1. VAF
          VAF 15 October 2013 18: 05
          0
          Quote: andrei332809
          Well, what kind of person are you? With your truth, you are killing all optimism


          Andrey, I "posted" above the comment .. read it .. what the hell is optimism when the testicles are already 56, and the 95th is under 33 rubles, and where and for 33.
          I'm waiting for another week and ... I'll go to the market to sell my 7-ku ... "I'll feed you hell." recourse
          1. andrei332809
            andrei332809 15 October 2013 19: 29
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            I will go to the market to sell my 7

            I'm horseless tongue and in general, a person cannot live without hope. True, not life, but survival, but still ... No.
            1. VAF
              VAF 15 October 2013 20: 06
              +2
              Quote: andrei332809
              I'm horseless


              Damn, Andrei ... I envy God ... Already considered now by a taxi. Much cheaper and ... no headache.
              Here's my word ... I'll sell if the gasoline even takes off a scar, and it takes off. And there is always a buyer ... he, our Russian buyer. Has always loved and loves big .. "pontovoz"! wink

              Quote: andrei332809
              and in general, a person cannot live without hope. True, not life, but survival, but still ..


              Well yes .. you still say that hope is dying ... extreme wassat No, my friend .. we have been for a long time .. survival or .. "twisting", everything is like in the 90s, remember? well, how is life ... but I'm spinning ... little by little wink
              1. andrei332809
                andrei332809 15 October 2013 20: 12
                +2
                Quote: vaf
                everything is like in 90's, remember?

                Well, what about ... how we survived, I have no idea at all. And I, in addition, "spent" the second half of the 90s away from home, on the KSF. So if the men from the boat galley did not feed, it would be out of hunger and bent .no, it should have been guessed - do not forward command line
                1. VAF
                  VAF 15 October 2013 20: 31
                  +3
                  Quote: andrei332809
                  how they survived, I have no idea


                  That is why I still don’t eat mushrooms .. imagine .. all over the garrison and everyone has the same mushroom soup, mushroom salad, potatoes with mushrooms, pies with mushrooms, salted or pickled for "snack" .... in the milk store under the record in a notebook and then only children .... darkness.

                  In the dining room, they were fed in general ..... artificial potatoes and soybeans ... this is the flight crew ... but there were regular events in 91, so we all got up in the regiment .. "on hind legs" ... a shit came from the Air Force General Staff well, he began to scare ... the Afghan regiment, a rare pilot without a Cactus, and so at least 2 each ...
                  you need a short conversation .. they’re standing .. sit down and go, and I .. sick and dismissal report.
                  So in a day everything about nutrition was normalized and the products were delivered to the military organization and some Z / Ps were given out.
                  And if there was no "mess" .. what then?
                  1. andrei332809
                    andrei332809 15 October 2013 20: 34
                    +1
                    Quote: vaf
                    . imagine ..

                    And how drinks
                  2. andrei332809
                    andrei332809 15 October 2013 23: 11
                    +4
                    Quote: vaf
                    but there in 91

                    here is 91-92
  • Edward72
    Edward72 15 October 2013 10: 42
    +3
    Only the bears were scared.
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 15 October 2013 11: 49
      +2
      Not - they are afraid of "bears"! Those that are Tu-95 (product "B", according to NATO codification: Bear - "Bear") laughing laughing
      1. VAF
        VAF 15 October 2013 17: 27
        +2
        Quote: Serg 122
        Not - they are afraid of "bears"! Those that are Tu-95 (product "B", according to NATO codification: Bear - "Bear")


        Yeah, especially submariners are "afraid" of their "sea" brothers ... tu-142 ... wink
        Before "diving" on the database in all pharmacies, the demand for earplugs increases, because. even at a depth of 300 meters, the roar of a bear can be heard, hell knows from what distance, and if it passes over your head ... all the khan ... you can go deaf laughing
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 15 October 2013 10: 58
    +2
    During the exercises, interaction with the non-NATO air forces was tested.

    Against whom is friendship?
    But the Russian liberals are not aware of them and they scream, as in the movie:
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  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 15 October 2013 11: 01
    +5
    Immediately try to take on a fright. But Russia is not in the 90s now, the NATO members were late!
  • UV58
    UV58 15 October 2013 11: 02
    0
    what will the "Asshole" answer? :)
  • teleset
    teleset 15 October 2013 11: 03
    +1
    It looks like the next war will be for the Arctic, the fight will be even worse, and the name is picked up control over the Arctic, but who would let anyone control it, the current would be overloaded.
  • pahom54
    pahom54 15 October 2013 11: 06
    +5
    What was to be expected ... A tough battle ahead for the Arctic, or rather for its resources, lies ahead. In time, we came to our senses - and the Arctic group was created (though still more on paper), and the ships go along the NSR ... It is urgent, in spite of economic difficulties, to revive the old, crushed infrastructure for people, aircraft and the navy, and create a new . Here, though out of place, I immediately recall the money spent on the Olympics ...
  • pahom54
    pahom54 15 October 2013 11: 06
    0
    What was to be expected ... A tough battle ahead for the Arctic, or rather for its resources, lies ahead. In time, we came to our senses - and the Arctic group was created (though still more on paper), and the ships go along the NSR ... It is urgent, in spite of economic difficulties, to revive the old, crushed infrastructure for people, aircraft and the navy, and create a new . Here, though out of place, I immediately recall the money spent on the Olympics ...
  • nod739
    nod739 15 October 2013 11: 15
    +3
    Quote: lonely
    these are rehearsing control over the arctic, and you have just started repairing the airfield. and this is called "not dozing"


    the airport on the Novosibirsk islands is being repaired, and we have enough continental ones, like ours

    and about control, whose icebreakers are furrowing?
    Finns also have- for local leashes, well, and only the atom fleet can reach the pole
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 15 October 2013 11: 52
      +1
      Which, as you know - not everyone has!
    2. VAF
      VAF 15 October 2013 17: 30
      +2
      Quote: nod739
      the aerodrome on the Novosibirsk islands is being repaired,


      Yeah .. under the Mi-8 helicopters and An-72 planes wassat

      Quote: nod739
      and continental, as they have, we also have enough


      Well, nuka ... a little list in the studio .... "continental" airplane wassat
  • tennis
    tennis 15 October 2013 11: 34
    +4
    Quote: 6Sunrise9
    It’s interesting where Sweden and Finland climb, because they do not enter NATO and nevertheless climb into the Arctic (to which they have no access). It’s very smart to spoil relations with the Russian Federation.


    He ordered the older brother to climb, and they’re climbing out of his skin just to please. It is only in words that they are free.
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 15 October 2013 11: 34
    0
    So, how are things going with the air defense of the polar possessions of Russia?
    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 15 October 2013 12: 08
      +8
      the northern part of Russia is not controlled by air defense, this statement was not so long ago, while Moscowbad was surrounded by air defense rings so that they would not shy away from vegetable bases
  • StraNeek
    StraNeek 15 October 2013 12: 23
    +1
    Quote: Bashkaus
    So, how are things going with the air defense of the polar possessions of Russia?

    Po .. have long been your air defense of the polar possessions! fool
  • Saharok
    Saharok 15 October 2013 12: 47
    0
    That damn blind-eyed all fly themselves, they want to control something ...
    All of them in one place does not exist. =)
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 15 October 2013 13: 12
    +2
    Air Force of five Western countries rehearsed control over the Arctic
    NATO demonstratively makes it clear that they have their own interests in the Arctic, and that they can argue with us, if that. Given this fact, we need to build our own policy in these parts. Regularly conduct military exercises. And quickly repair airfields and everything else.
  • dengy12
    dengy12 15 October 2013 13: 20
    0
    And what side does England have to do with the Arctic?
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 15 October 2013 13: 54
      0
      They still cannot forget that they were once an empire and poked their nose into all holes.
    2. alone
      alone 15 October 2013 22: 58
      +2
      You probably forgot a little that Canada is documented in the British Union, where the Queen of Britain leads the union.
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 15 October 2013 13: 42
    +3
    Quote: dengy12
    And what side does England have to do with the Arctic?

    And according to the old tradition, she has to do with everything - where she was called and where she was not!
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 15 October 2013 14: 00
    0
    Quote: lonely
    these are rehearsing control over the arctic, and you have just started repairing the airfield. and this is called "not dozing"

    Questions are resolved as they become available. Maybe I’ll repeat, but more recently, these issues have not been resolved.
    1. alone
      alone 15 October 2013 14: 24
      +2
      Quote: Yuri Ya.
      Questions are resolved as they become available. Maybe I’ll repeat, but more recently, these issues have not been resolved.


      I do not doubt that these issues have begun to be addressed. just too much time has been lost. Now all this must be accelerated at an accelerated pace so as not to lag behind completely. You must agree that during this time it was possible to repair this airfield for a long time. Because in Russia it was always possible to find the necessary amount for this. I just do not agree with the phrase "do not sleep".

      of course it’s possible to minus. this is the right of members of the forum. but if a person even put a minus, but he’s already thought it over, then not all is lost hi
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 15 October 2013 16: 04
    0
    Of course, over the past 20 years a lot have been lost who argue. This reform is also when several parts were driven to airbases. Old airfields were abandoned. Now it seems that this issue is being revised (according to rumors) as far as possible, the experience seems to have been (I'm talking about the Patriotic War).
  • igor67
    igor67 15 October 2013 16: 23
    +3
    In the meantime, what nature has decided has decided for itself, and this year the Arctic has frozen more than. Two times, if this continues to happen, then you will probably have to wait a bit with mining
  • Commander
    Commander 15 October 2013 16: 56
    +4
    How many air garrisons in the North have been cut over the past 20 years: Kilp-yavr, Afrikanda, Kem, Monchegorsk -1 regiment, Pushnoy, Alakurtti (helicopters), Ladeika, Talagi, Kotlas, Amderma. And that's not all!! And they were located all over the North !!! After all, the Communists were not stupid when they formed aviation !!! Now bite your elbows! Recently, they started to do something, but this is minuscule !! We hope that our north will have time to block !!
    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 15 October 2013 18: 22
      +1
      our elite apparently thinks that there is no need to hide behind air defense forces from "partners"
  • voliador
    voliador 15 October 2013 23: 45
    0
    The whole question is that it is impossible for bourgeois to be allowed into that zone of the Arctic, which we consider to be the zone of their exceptional priorities (and not only economic).
  • Onotollah
    Onotollah 16 October 2013 06: 49
    +1
    Fighter control of the Arctic is very strong.
    There is simply nothing to oppose it.
    Now, NATO pilots need to measure their faces in crowded pipelines to frighten the world public, right at the airfield in Norway, but I’m afraid I’ll get confused - it’s cold there, the chickens will laugh at the result. Or even sparrows. Arctic.
    Let me note:
    Infrastructure is necessary for oil and gas production. Developed. Platforms, ports, supply routes, people, resources. Well, such a trifle as an icebreaker fleet. Not everyone has such a thing.
    For the extraction of oil and gas, their presence is also necessary. The Arctic is a PROMISING oil and gas region.
    Proven oil and gas reserves, i.e. counted where and what is not. Exactly under the ice cover.
    The continental shelf is one thing, and it’s a very expensive one. And the seabed is already another. There are no proven drilling technologies in the Arctic, if you are not mistaken. This is not the Gulf of Mexico. Although everything is not smooth there.
    In addition: the management and deployment of aircraft at bases in Norway and Sweden. Is it really so far away that our aircraft cannot reach them in case of emergency?
    How many defense ministers of these powerful Arctic countries were going to confront Russian aggression if we rely on the materials of articles on the site? Two or three days? Or even five?
    Although this is already a very extreme case.
    But in general, the production of hydrocarbons in the Arctic is a very expensive and very problematic issue. And it is not decided by fighters. At least not in the first place.
  • Lawless
    Lawless 16 October 2013 09: 37
    +1
    I read the comments and the question arose: "If the RF Armed Forces have only sappers, why haven't they captured it yet."