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What a strange tantrum around the Olympic torch relay?

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The Olympic flame continues on the territory of Russia. The journey, during which the fire should visit all Russian regions: from Kaliningrad to Sakhalin, go to the bottom of Baikal, to the top of Elbrus and even into outer space. The plans of the organizers of the Olympic torch relay are more than impressive. However, today in most media, especially in the Internet environment, the blogosphere, it has become customary to discuss not the proximity of international sporting events, and not even the course of preparation for this action (despite all the problems with embezzlement and corruption during the Olympic construction), but completely different subjects. - those that can be quickly and effectively demonstrated to millions of ordinary people.


What a strange tantrum around the Olympic torch relay?


The world champion in scuba diving and the hero who saved 1976 in 20 from a bus that fell into the lake Shavarsh Karapetyan told Pravde.Ru about what happened with the Olympic flame and why the incident should not have attracted so much attention.

The incident with the Olympic flame attracted unprecedented attention, though not from the IOC or athletes, but from peculiarly minded citizens who saw in the incident a bad omen and the collapse of the Games in Sochi. Shavarsh Karapetyan, a multiple world and European champion, a man who was entrusted with the honor of starting the Olympic torch relay, said that he himself was surprised at the incredible hype.

"Many places like this happened, but there was no such noise," he told Pravda.Ru. "During the relay, there are special people who, if anything, will light the torch again. Here and there, they first lit it with a lighter, but then extinguished it and set it on fire again, but already from the Olympic flame, which was in special lamps. and did not get into the camera lens, which is insulting. It should have been shown first of all - the fire continued on its way and it caught fire not from a lighter.

The fire went out because I ran under the arch, and there was wind. That's all. "According to Karapetyan, in what happened to the fire, he does not see any bad omens." I am not superstitious, and the fact that the fire has gone out cannot be a reason to think about failures, failures or something else. At competitions, including the Olympic Games, there is anything - false starts for athletes, for example. I myself fell, hit, but I never perceived such things as a bad omen. "

Shavarsh Karapetyan: There is no bad omen that the Olympic flame went out


We are talking about how several times during the torch relay the Olympic fire managed to go out. It was these incidents that became the subject of spraying saliva from a certain number of citizens and not only citizens: they say, the torches, on the creation of which millions of rubles were spent, go out, and this means that the Russian team, and the whole country, expect the “epic failure” "- a complete fiasco. And then there was the fire, which the representative of the Kremlin security service helped to ignite with the help of a lighter. At the same time, people who bungled from “lighter” fire kisses history about the fact that the real Olympic flame will not reach Sochi, for some reason they pass by the fact: at the end of the next day of the route, the torch, if it was extinguished for some reason or another, was extinguished, it is ignited by the burner, which was brought by plane from Greece. It is not for nothing that several of these burners "grabbed" ... So, something, and the Olympic flame will reach Sochi ...

There have even been communities in social networks that propose to follow the Olympic torch relay and discuss with great admiration how the cities in the route of the fire were extinguished in the hands of one or another participant of this relay race. Look, look - go out! went out! Hooray! All right, we are discussing who is to blame: Miller “diluted”? Shoigu not watched? Putin has a good “blue” fuel in the “blue” European Union, and for the Olympics, one “Ge” leaves ... In general, people manifest some kind of mania - count the number of “extinctions” and make a sensation out of it - replicate, replicate and replicate . Well, firstly, it means that such people have enough free time, and secondly ...

Secondly, people who revel in the "happiness" of the realization that the torch had gone out somewhere and that it had been rekindled again are clearly not familiar with the history of the Olympic torch relay, as well as with the history of the "Olympic Flame" after how it was delivered and lit at the Olympic stadiums. If a certain circle of people with such a story is not familiar, then it is worth presenting facts from different years telling that the Olympic flame is more than capricious, and that making some kind of sensation from the fact of its periodic extinction is at least strange ...

2004 year. Torch Relay Athens Olympics. The fire went out (oh, horror for the hyperliberal public) immediately after it was lit in the temple of Hera in Olympia. Even the chairman of the Greek Olympic Organizing Committee, Angelopoulou-Daskalaki, did not manage to take the torch. And after all, what is remarkable, no one in Greece spoke in the spirit: they say, hands grow or not from that place at this Angelopoulou, or Zeus himself hints at the imminent economic problems of Greece ... In Greece, to those to whom Zeus is still hinting, the attitude is not as loyal as ours.

Then the fire went out a few more times during the actual relay.

2008 year. Torch Relay Beijing Olympics. As a result of attacks on torchbearers, the fire subsided, after which it had to be lit again. The cause of the attacks was “abuses of the rights and freedoms of the people of Tibet”. After another attack, the Chinese organizers themselves put out the fire, and decided to take it on the bus, since there are too many riotous things (it was in France) ...

2012 year. The torch relay of the London Olympics. The fire faded at least three dozen times. At the same time, in most cases it was blown out by the wind (as the organizers said later) while running the participants of the relay, several times it was put out by torrential rain. The torch was flooded with the waters of the river, on which canoeists decided to conduct it.

1976 year. The relay of the Montreal Olympics fire. The fire during the relay behaved, as they say, with dignity, and “put a pig” already during the Olympics, having decided to go out right in the bowl. Shower just poured the bowl along with the fire. If all suspicious people had the opportunity to publish their thoughts for thousands of readers at that time, then it would be terrible to assume that the world would hear: perhaps, from the ideas of approaching a comet killer to Montreal to predictions about the complete extinction of the inhabitants of the country of the maple leaf ...

There were situations and not only with the attenuation of the Olympic flame.

1988 year. The opening of the Olympic Games in Seoul. The pigeons, which were released into the sky after the bowl was ignited, circled a little in the air and sat on the edge of this very bowl. They burned in it ... After that, with the birds around the fire they did not risk it.

2010 year. The opening ceremony of the Olympics in Vancouver. During the ignition of fire in the "bowl", which in the Vancouver case symbolized a huge bonfire, a failure occurred, and one of the supports of the "bonfire" did not come out of the special box. As a result, one of the “instigators” (there were four of them in Vancouver) did not receive the opportunity to ignite the fire of the Olympics during the opening.

Gus fire during the baton of most other Olympics. Only an unhealthy sensation from this did not. And then they made a whole tantrum.

On eternal fires we have renegades, barbecues can fry or arrange a dance floor, or even urinate on it (on fire) - for some reason the hyperliberal public doesn’t want to talk out loud, as well as it’s not acceptable to their representatives wants - not the one, you know, the effect ... But from the attenuation of the Olympic flame during the relay, something she (this public) both itches and itches.
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  1. kafa
    kafa 15 October 2013 06: 36
    +8
    it's all zippo rigged and the enemies of our good officials tongue
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      1. Apollo
        Apollo 15 October 2013 08: 08
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        People, and what kind of "athlete" is this in the photo in a tracksuit. Judging by his face, he has no more relationship to sports than I do to ballet.



        Good afternoon Alexander hi
        In the photo and video
        60-year-old Shavarsh Karapetyan, world record holder.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 October 2013 08: 12
          0
          Quote: Apollon
          60-year-old Shavarsh Karapetyan, world record holder.

          Oh damn it, sorry. In short, Volodin is to blame, had to write who is in the photo. He misled me and as a result I sit and blush sad
          1. Gari
            Gari 15 October 2013 10: 45
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Oh damn it, sorry. In short, Volodin is to blame, had to write who is in the photo

            In the photo Shavarsh Vladimirovich Karapetyan
            17-time world champion, 13-time European champion and 11-time world champion in scuba diving.
            On September 16, 1976, Shavarsh Karapetyan had a regular training session on the shore of Lake Yerevan.
            Literally before their eyes, a trolleybus crowded with people flew into the lake from the road. In a matter of seconds he went to the bottom. At a depth of 10 meters.
            From very cold, practically zero visibility of water, he - returned from the other world 20 (!!!) people.
            In fact, the athlete pulled significantly more affected, but many have not been able to help doctors.
            Dive he stopped when running out of physical and moral strength. But before he even had time to catch the trolley wire for drowned - have arrived at the rescue was not diving, and repeat what I did sportsman, he was not under force.
            Shavarsh himself, too, was in the hospital - severe pneumonia, blood poisoning, which occurred because of the cuts on the glass in the dirty water ... He spent his hospital bed 45 days. When he returned home, he was literally sick from the water. Return to the sport was the case almost unreal. And, nevertheless, he returned once again hitting all. Returned to leave beautiful - in 1977, he established his last, 11-second world record.
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 15 October 2013 15: 59
              16
              Quote: Gari
              In the photo Shavarsh Vladimirovich Karapetyan

              The most worthy person. And not because the champion. But because a man with a capital letter.
              Young people do not remember, of course, but I remember an article in "Komsomolskaya Pravda" then. After his feat.
              1. Gari
                Gari 15 October 2013 16: 55
                +5
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                The most worthy person. And not because the champion.

                Therefore, about his sporting and feats by the way, by the way, he wrote two lines, but about Human, in more detail, although there is no room for comment.

                Quote: There was a mammoth
                A man with a capital letter.
          2. Volodin
            15 October 2013 13: 05
            +4
            In short Volodin is to blame
            . Alexander, I hope this is a joke ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 15 October 2013 13: 10
              0
              Quote: Volodin
              . Alexander, I hope this is a joke ..

              wink ............ we are all sinners repeat
              1. Volodin
                15 October 2013 13: 21
                +2
                That's for sure smile
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 15 October 2013 11: 41
          0
          Quote: Apollon
          In the photo and video

          anyone could be in his place ... the main thing is that the manufacturer shook everyone’s brains .. that this torch is a super-mupper ...... but in fact ---...... .rali ... eh .... all the best-- Soviet !!!
          1. zub46
            zub46 15 October 2013 19: 03
            +2
            Yes, you throw attention to such a small thing! Everything is normal and does not deserve the tragic comments that are full on the network. There is no reason to be sad or rejoice in technical failures. The caravan is coming.
            1. Shumer
              Shumer 15 October 2013 19: 41
              +2
              Yes, you throw attention to such a small thing!
              I agree with you, but alas, sports have lately been slipping more and more into the political and financial pit. In fact, sport is no longer for the sake of sport.
      2. bddrus
        bddrus 15 October 2013 08: 09
        +6
        if it’s a banter, then too late and too dirty. The relay race is not conducted by athletes - athletes at the Olympics will run.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 October 2013 08: 13
          +3
          Quote: bddrus
          The relay race is not conducted by athletes - athletes at the Olympics will run.

          Ovechkin was the first to run.
          1. bddrus
            bddrus 15 October 2013 08: 22
            +5
            I mean that not for athletes, but of course they are also veterans of sports and athletes in the regions who will not participate in the Olympics. Here I would not let officials, officials from sports are still okay, but in the regions, for sure, all sorts of governors and measures to "join"
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 15 October 2013 10: 33
              +3
              Quote: bddrus
              . I wouldn’t let officials in

              Such a PR, so far without them.Smolensk, July 15 - AiF-Smolensk. In total, in the Smolensk region, 62 people will take part in the Olympic relay race. These are our famous athletes, such as Olga Kuzenkova, Nadezhda Talanova, Vera Koval, Alexey Fedorov, Alesya Stepanyuk. Of the officials, they intend to carry the torch: the first deputy governor Mikhail Pitkevich, the vice-governors Nikolai Kuznetsov and Lev Platonov, the head of the Smolensk administration Nikolai Alasheev, the head of the main dispute management in the Smolensk region Eduard Zaenchkovsky. The rector of the Smolensk Sports Academy Georgy Grets and the general director of Crystal Crystal Maxim Shkadov also join the relay race.www.smol.aif.ru/sport/sport_details/931294
              1. yurii p
                yurii p 15 October 2013 12: 13
                +9
                A kind of PR company for bureaucrats, all the more out of pocket, all this went and disgusting.
              2. Combitor
                Combitor 16 October 2013 00: 21
                +1
                Alexander Romanov (1)
                Here are some of the first "thugs" of the Olympic flame:
                <On Monday, the torch will be carried:
                Anastasia Dyvydova - 5-time Olympic champion in synchronized swimming
                Svetlana Khorkina - 2-time Olympic champion in gymnastics
                Irina Rodnina - 3-time Olympic figure skating champion
                Shamil Tarpishchev - President of the Russian Tennis Federation
                Albert II - Prince of Monaco
                Alexander Zhukov - President of the Russian Olympic Committee
                Vladimir Kozhin - Administrative Affairs of the President of the Russian Federation
                Gennady Onishchenko - Head of Rosportrebnadzor
                Vladimir Zeldin - People's Artist of the USSR
                Dmitry Guberniev - sports commentator
                Ivan Urgant - TV presenter
                Dmitry Bilan - singer
                Konstantin Tszyu - boxer
                Vyacheslav Fetisov is a 2-time Olympic ice hockey champion.>
                It’s somehow not clear what, for example, Dima Bilan and Vanya Urgant have to do with the Olympic movement. Yes, and some others from this list too. Already then it was also necessary to include Lesha Panin - he is the leader’s favorite actor. And Onishchenko, probably checked the compliance of Fire with sanitary requirements, so he was not circumvented.
          2. Army1
            Army1 15 October 2013 12: 11
            0
            I remember about the Olympics in London they generally said that a huge terrorist attack awaits us, less to listen to these alarmists.
        2. yurii p
          yurii p 15 October 2013 12: 10
          0
          and it is necessary for the relay race to be conducted by athletes starting their career and illustrious graduates who have finished their speeches, then this is really a relay race, and not different kobzons, politicians or six politicians, and this results in profanity and looks more like a political rally of edrosov.
        3. Vlaleks48
          Vlaleks48 15 October 2013 21: 00
          +1
          Because of how clumsy and, as always, to the detriment of society, a seemingly good action is being carried out - a relay race, all sorts of "well-wishers" appear who want to bake political dividends for themselves on this fire!
          The streets overlap and even food cannot reach its destination because of zealous bureaucrats! A fire bon voyage!
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    2. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 15 October 2013 08: 49
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      Quote: kafa
      it's all zippo rigged

      Yes, it's not about zippo ...
      I do not agree with the author on the main point - why continue to "shag" this topic, with fading away. For me personally, this is an everyday trifle - well, it went out, well, it was lit.
      The main reason why I am opposed, is not not against the Olympic flame, against the PATHOLOGICALLY-HYPER HAZARDS, as the author pointed out "A journey during which the fire must visit all Russian regions: from Kaliningrad to Sakhalin, go to the bottom of Lake Baikal, to the top of Elbrus and even into outer space."
      FOR CHE G O ??
      They whined that they didn’t have enough money - once again they got sick of pensions (probably, even they themselves do not yet know what will eventually come of it). At the same time, it is true that the salaries of bureaucrats were raised, but we have "not many" of them, and they work 25 hours a day laughing For the good, for the good ... of your beloved ones and your offspring.
      Yet again,
      Quote: mak210
      Primorye froze before the horror of the first frosts, which will begin to tear wet foundations and walls, people will be left without housing, and they will collect money for help with SMS.

      Money for scientific expeditions, RAS (!!!) collects via the Internet.
      The other day on TV news, I was in a stupor. They built the longest (!!!) long bridge across the river, about 700 meters, year-round (!!!). The region, unfortunately, has forgotten. Class? Yes, their mom, class ... P O N T O N N Y Y !!!
      On normal, again, day xX netuti ...
      Zadolbali !!!
      And after that
      Quote: mak210
      We surprise the whole world with the largest Russian elephant.

      This is the essence of discontent. And not that: "If something can break, it will break sooner or later."
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 15 October 2013 09: 06
        +9
        That is the essence of discontent.


        in the 70s of the last century (after the thaw of the 60s) a large number of people appeared in the country, dissatisfied with everything Soviet, it is enough to recall the "kitchen" conversations about everyday life ...

        people began to quietly fly away from everything western, even the Gadeer headset was considered Western manna, as, for example, the Finnish bathroom :)

        any product with foreign letters on the packaging caused emotion, admiration, worship ...

        all that with Russian letters, respectively, rejection ...

        large-scale work was carried out with our population, and now, as you can see, it’s underway :)
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 15 October 2013 10: 19
          +7
          Quote: fisherman
          any product with foreign letters on the packaging caused emotion, admiration, worship ..

          If its own light industry produced clothes-robes.
          It was all square and not the slightest hint of aesthetics.
          There are enough examples with Khrushchev and panel gray anthills.
          Quote: fisherman
          even the Gadier headset was considered manna western

          "All-Union Film Journal Fick" is at your service. There a lot of things were dismantled and it was produced from the early 60s to 91.
          Quote: fisherman
          all that with Russian letters, respectively, rejection.

          It's just no comment ...
          Quote: fisherman
          large-scale work has been carried out with our population, and now, as you see,

          I propose to familiarize yourself with one example:
          Emergency exit device costing almost 100 USSR rubles - but simple glass break hammer This miracle was at ZIL and MAZ.
          In the USSR, everything worked in a capitalist-communist way. Not a single leader refused "additional" money.
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 15 October 2013 17: 35
            +1
            Quote: Papakiko
            There are enough examples with Khrushchev and panel gray anthills.

            The houses that are now being built according to the "affordable housing" program are the same "Khrushchevs" in terms of footage and layout. And if we consider that this "housing" is being built by guest workers, then its quality is not at all happy. In contrast to the Soviet "Khrushchevs", over which only the lazy did not mock.
        2. lelikas
          lelikas 15 October 2013 10: 42
          +3
          Quote: fisherman
          large-scale work was carried out with our population, and now, as you can see, it’s underway :)


          Only this hour it is our own, according to what has become a classic - We wanted the best, but it turned out as always.
          I am not a crap participant in other movements, but somehow it is already beginning to catch my eye - if active advertising or hype about something starts, there will be a catch, by any means.
        3. zub46
          zub46 15 October 2013 19: 08
          +1
          Absolutely right. For various reasons, we lost the ideological war and for a long time, with unclear prospects, we disentangle the consequences of our defeat.
        4. kontrol
          kontrol 16 October 2013 12: 29
          +1
          "You live beautifully,
          Dear sister! -
          She said with envy at the Rat Mouse party. -
          What do you eat and drink
          What are you sitting on
          Everywhere you look - all from abroad! "-
          "Oh, if only, darling, you knew -
          With a sigh, the Rat answered, -
          I'm always looking for something!
          I'm all day long on the run for overseas -
          All ours seem to me gray and ordinary
          I only drag overseas to my hole
          Here is the hair from the Turkish sofa!
          Here is a shred of Persian carpet!
          And this gentle down got me yesterday -
          He's African. He's from the Pelican! "-
          "What do you eat? - asked the Rat Mouse -
          There is what we eat, you do not have to! "-
          "Ah, darling! - the Rat answered her. -
          There is nothing to please me!
          It’s only that I eat bread and lard! .. "

          xxx


          We know there are still little families
          Where our screaming and scolding,
          Where they look with emotion
          On foreign stickers ...
          And fat ... Russian eat!
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 15 October 2013 09: 41
        +7
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        Yes, their mother, class ... P O N T O N N Y Y !!!

        You probably meant:
        A new pontoon bridge was built in the Yurga area
        On August 28, 2013, the village of Polomoshnoye and Yurga were connected by a pontoon ferry.

        Really good news.
        All Avtodor's money goes to the Moscow rings and the Don highway.
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        "A journey during which the fire should visit all Russian regions: from Kaliningrad to Sakhalin, go to the bottom of Lake Baikal, to the top of Elbrus and even to outer space."

        The IOC allocates money for the relay to popularize the Olympic movement and create an image with the host country.
        Is it bad that carriers (air, railway, auto) in all regions will earn money on relay service?
        It is bad that the hotels in the regions and the service sector will earn money, again on the baton service.
        Is it bad that they clean the streets of villages, villages, cities along the relay?
        It is bad that they are transporting them to the ISS because the next ones who will have to move the idea of ​​the relay race into space will already have fire on the moon or Mars?
        And this small but a hint that Gagarin was from Russia (USSR) and the first person from planet Earth to go into low Earth orbit was Russian!
        Yes, I would also have carried this fire through all the geographic places that came from immigrants from Russia, the USSR and Russia.
        You can still go on and on ....

        Quote: Z.A.M.
        Surprise the whole world with the largest Russian elephant. This is the essence of discontent

        A state with our scale cannot accomplish comparable with a mosquito bite. The goal should be epic and the track in history will remain comparable.
        So that the "historians" could not mess with the real history.
        1. Dima67
          Dima67 15 October 2013 10: 00
          +8
          Quote: Papakiko
          Yes, I would also have carried this fire through all the geographic places that came from immigrants from Russia, the USSR and Russia.
          You can still go on and on ....
          Yes, it can be transported through our hinterland and endangered villages and towns to Vladivostok. Maybe there hotels will earn and cleanliness will bring.
        2. zub46
          zub46 15 October 2013 19: 10
          +1
          And it has long been known that Russia is the birthplace of elephants.
      3. goldfinger
        goldfinger 15 October 2013 10: 19
        18
        Belarusian neighbor. Something is off scale.
        Whatever the child was amusing ... The significant seriousness with which adults and, at first glance, stupid people relate to the ritual of the Olympic torch relay, first touched. Wow, how much attention, strength, feelings and resources are given to the game! Ah, one torch went out! Ah, the guard set it on fire with his lighter! Is this fire now authentic or unauthentic? Greek or not Greek? If the lighter was Greek, then the fire is authentic. Or maybe again fly to Greece? There is no light?
        Here Putin and bikers, and the blocking of traffic in Moscow and endless discussions with a serious expression on their faces. Rodnina, scandalized by her racist trick, talks about the "magical and mystical" meaning of fire. The chief state sanitary doctor of Russia, Gennady Onishchenko, also runs with a twinkle. And the Russian Orthodox Church is gloating seriously: the torch went out because the fire in it was of pagan origin. Mass psychosis on a sports and ritual theme!
        Here it really is: whom God wants to punish, he deprives the mind. Or makes a sports fan.
        Lukashenko, at a meeting with Russian journalists, voiced a "terrible figure", "imbued" in Belarusian agriculture, included in the top 5 in the production of "milk" in the world - 50 billion over 20 years. My hair on my bald head began to move - after all, this is one in one price of the Putin Olympics !!! And this money is wasted! After all, everyone knows that then all the objects there will be half-empty. The content won't pay off! And I think that for 10th part of this money, Old Man would "restore" the Kaliningrad region if the Belarusians were allowed to simply engage in agriculture there, and would completely solve the region's food program, transferring it to self-supply for basic products. Without any political decisions (Kaliningrad was and will be - an integral part of Russia). They would just be friends with "vegetable gardens".
        1. valerei
          valerei 15 October 2013 12: 34
          +8
          goldfinger, finally I read a more or less adequate comment, otherwise they write all sorts of nonsense. Turn on the brains of whoever has it - after all, we are all told such a "crap" in this "relay race" that this nausea of ​​even the "box" screen is dripping. As one character of Zhvanetsky said: "I looked, but inside there was sawdust. They're fooling our brother, oh they're fooling!" It's quiet now, but the Olympics will end and the investigation will begin: how many billions have been stolen? And how did it come about? And why did it work? And how bad it is to steal! Wow, what are they! Well, etc. And then, as always, either the thieves will safely escape to England, or the case will be "put on the brakes." And the highest leadership of the country will only shake a finger and that's it.
          1. zub46
            zub46 15 October 2013 19: 13
            0
            "Are we sailing in the share?"
          2. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 15 October 2013 20: 54
            +1
            It is always a pleasure to meet guardians for a national cause. I know - you are sincere! That is, this is your last post. Yours and your idol are higher. From now on, you no longer use computers and cell phones for vulgar entertainment. After all, mass psychosis! But you are not like that!
            No Facebook, Instagrams, or the Internet at all! Electricity is needed in operating rooms and kindergartens! Your brains cannot be loaded with anything idle, I came from my main job - to volunteer at a garbage recycling plant! Yes, this is the motley bullshit that you are wearing - immediately convey to the starving in Somalia! You will walk in unpainted canvas ...
            Ugh on you, you are miserable, shame and shame ...
      4. lelikas
        lelikas 15 October 2013 10: 34
        +7
        I agree that if a person with a special box appeared on the air and lit a torch, there wouldn’t be such a trolling.
        But in fact it turned out crap - at first everyone was told about the super duper torch, and then zippo live.
      5. bddrus
        bddrus 15 October 2013 11: 31
        +4
        Well, since the rocket still flies, then well do not use the moment, especially the country that is currently the only one launching cosmonauts (I don't count China yet). About "all the Russian regions" - as it has already been written about the round-the-world relay races of Beijing and Athens, London took it all over its country - why we are worse. Moreover, more than once it has been proposed to launch Putin to travel around Russia - it contributes to the healing of asphalt and the resorption of off-road laughing
    3. Sibiryak
      Sibiryak 15 October 2013 08: 53
      -1
      Quote: kafa
      it's all zippo rigged

      The question is not so much in the torch as the product, but in who carries it! If the hands are not known where they grow from then the torch will go out, I’m sure that in all of these incidents the human factor will prevail.
      But from the attenuation of the Olympic flame during the relay, something in her (in this public) itches and itches.

      We need a reason to sue KrasMash!
      1. goldfinger
        goldfinger 15 October 2013 11: 00
        +6
        Quote: Sibiryak
        We need a reason to sue KrasMash!

        And here, apparently, it was not without cutting.
        16 torches for $ 000. Is this a plasma TV? In our military town in DOS, kerogazs worked better. 400 million rubles, isn’t it too much?
      2. bddrus
        bddrus 15 October 2013 13: 47
        +3
        in Krasnoyarsk will be given to the director of Krasmash with a torch to run?
    4. Bongo
      Bongo 15 October 2013 10: 50
      14
      It would be better for this money to restore the Far East, people will have to spend the winter in dilapidated, water-soaked houses. They definitely do not care that the Olympic flame will fly into space. Here in Komsomolsk snow has already fallen.
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 15 October 2013 13: 38
        -1
        olympiad such an olympiad. I agree with the author, what's the difference
        how many times this light died out, from which it was kindled.
        the question is different - how much money has already been stolen at this Olympiad? how much ineptly spent? and why does the olympiad interfere with restraining prevent our authorities from bringing order to the country?
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 15 October 2013 18: 44
          +1
          Sorry, but don’t you understand? Why do the officials caught stealing suddenly turn out to be abroad, they can see something to tell. Here and they have the opportunity to make legs. And who and what stole we learn when this power will change.
    5. Joker
      Joker 15 October 2013 20: 57
      +1
      It's not about the extinct torch, but with what pathos they developed it and what kind of money they put in there, has no analogues. 4 has already gone out and has yet to go out.
  2. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 15 October 2013 06: 37
    -2
    The author of the article laid out everything on the shelves, explained everything, thanks to him. Only here is a bad omen, and no one will convince me otherwise.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 15 October 2013 07: 14
      15
      All abruptly became superstitious laughing
    2. evgenii67
      evgenii67 15 October 2013 07: 23
      12
      Quote: FC Skif
      The author of the article laid out everything on the shelves, explained everything, thanks to him. Only here is a bad omen, and no one will convince me otherwise.

      Well, then it went out (not for the first time, and not with us), but why didn’t ... let the fire go out under any circumstances.
    3. bddrus
      bddrus 15 October 2013 07: 42
      +8
      The Chinese, whose fire went out many times, how many medals did they take at their Olympics? This is a word about signs. Although I agree that the fact that the torch has gone out is extremely unpleasant, given that they are trying to always make it as uninterrupted as possible.
      1. v.lyamkin
        v.lyamkin 15 October 2013 10: 30
        0
        So maybe on the contrary it is necessary to extinguish more often. And then, too, fart will tumble with medals.
        1. bddrus
          bddrus 15 October 2013 17: 17
          0
          the number of medals depends a little on another smile
    4. crazy_fencer
      crazy_fencer 15 October 2013 08: 52
      +3
      Oh well ... Gus the fire of the London 2012 Olympics. What went bad?
  3. Jager
    Jager 15 October 2013 06: 44
    38
    That's not the point. the fire of the Olympics went out or did not go out, but in what a farce it turned into. Instead of a sports event on an international scale, the Kremlin presents a show and show-off for domestic consumption - "here we are!", "Look, we are great, we don't care, we even sent fire into space and lowered it to the bottom of Lake Baikal!" and so on down the list. If only to distract "" (which you and I are for our great "managers" in their own opinion) and quietly adopt another predatory law or from the debris of the Glonass or Bulava that had fallen from the sky that had not flown to orbit. And the fact that our pensioners are half-starved, the villages are beggars, the population is degenerating, for the third transport to leave - and the era of timelessness and devastation surrounds - so this is nonsense, look at the trash box, everything is fine and solemnly going through the country with a sacred fire! For me personally, Olimnian hysteria is perceived that way.
    But despite this, I will sincerely root for our athletes.
    1. bddrus
      bddrus 15 October 2013 08: 06
      +3
      you are now writing in the same "bydlojashchik". You write complete nonsense! in other countries, are there no problems? and now what to abandon the Olympics altogether? Tantrums about the torch who suits - who distracts from the problems then?
      Fizgy is about attenuation, about a long relay race, and the fact that the Beijing Olympics had a round-the-world relay (torch in France, dead), like Athens. I’m only for the Olympics, and in Krasnoyarsk they want the Universiade - also for - even though they build roads, the stadium is finally indoor for the bandy
      1. Dima67
        Dima67 15 October 2013 08: 56
        +5
        Good morning. In other countries, they have problems, and they need to deal with them. In your own country, as in your own apartment, you need to put things in order, you don’t only live in a hall where shine and expensive decoration, and the rest of the rooms are littered with rubbish. Here everything will blow out with us, and then the torch of the Olympics at least on Saturn. And you need to build stadiums and other sports facilities without olympiads.
        1. bddrus
          bddrus 15 October 2013 09: 33
          -2
          And I don’t think that everything around us is a mess and we are dying out and everything is gone and we need to be saved, so we are not up to the Olympics. There are enough problems, but we must not forget to live.
          And you need to build stadiums and other sports facilities without olympiads.
          - certainly possible. Two ice arenas have recently been leased in Krasnoyarsk, but if I build three more for the Universiade, I won’t complain. You can combine the useful, how to bask, with the pleasant. Moreover, by holding such international events, I believe they want in the world to create a positive image of Russia in the face of negative international propaganda
          1. Dima67
            Dima67 15 October 2013 09: 46
            +5
            Quote: bddrus
            You can combine the useful, how to bask, with the pleasant. Moreover, by holding such international events, I believe they want in the world to create a positive image of Russia in the face of negative international propaganda
            Yes, it is as much as you like. Just not at our expense! I am for a strong and rich Russia! And then, it turns out that investing in production and agriculture is not a big deal, but billions in window dressing are prestige.
            1. Dima67
              Dima67 15 October 2013 10: 17
              -2
              Well, and who is here against a rich and strong Russia?
            2. bddrus
              bddrus 15 October 2013 11: 22
              +2
              wait, and at whose expense are you then waiting for the stadiums?
              1. Dima67
                Dima67 15 October 2013 12: 43
                0
                I, I meant the means going to show off need to be invested in the same stadiums, villages, production and creation of working places.
          2. goldfinger
            goldfinger 15 October 2013 13: 17
            +3
            Quote: bddrus
            Two ice arenas have recently been leased in Krasnoyarsk, but if I build three more for the Universiade, I won’t complain. You can combine the useful, how to bask, with the pleasant. Moreover, by holding such international events, I believe they want in the world to create a positive image of Russia in the face of negative international propaganda

            From Minsk. Neighbor Belarus. You are at the very point! Of course, you need sports, and sports of the highest achievements.
            Who argues! After all, smart people suggested DIFFERENT Olympiad in different cities of Russia! There are many examples! And in Minsk there were football matches of the Moscow Olympics! I remember perfectly! And the stadium was repaired, and the infrastructure, according to Soviet standards. Zer Gut! Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kazan, Sochi (skiing), Khanty-Mansiysk (biathlon), Krasnoyarsk (part of the hockey tournament), etc. Here is a holiday on our street! And then they put everything in the tropics, then nobody needed it, at the whim of the Great, One and Indivisible leader of the Sith, the Eye of the Universe - and 50 billion hounds down the drain. That will still be ....
            1. bddrus
              bddrus 15 October 2013 13: 50
              -2
              oh, I think if they decided to smash the Olympics. it would take an order of magnitude more money, although again new sports facilities and roads would appear, then to hell with them with money.
              1. Far East
                Far East 15 October 2013 14: 00
                0
                Quote: bddrus
                sports facilities and roads, then to hell with them with money.

                yeah! and we’ll run, for that on the roads! and live as one sport! and I want to pour fuel into my car, and come to the Olympics! and you say.
                Quote: bddrus
                to hell with them with money.
                without them, you won’t be full of sports anywhere. hi
                1. bddrus
                  bddrus 15 October 2013 14: 04
                  +2
                  the money will go away and so and so, let it be better that they build. They will update the infrastructure - and in the city it will be more pleasant, including getting to somewhere
                  1. Far East
                    Far East 15 October 2013 15: 08
                    +1
                    Quote: bddrus
                    They will update the infrastructure - and in the city it will be more pleasant, including getting to somewhere

                    Of course, money is poured into concrete! Sochi is already a resort city, and the infrastructure there is not the worst. And sho would not hold the Olympics somewhere outside Baikal! you see a lot of large, interesting cities and the infrastructure will be raised and people will continue to develop Siberia, the Far East and then the South and the center of Russia are ennobled! hi (yes, dreaming is not harmful! "Ostap suffered here" bully
                    1. bddrus
                      bddrus 15 October 2013 17: 21
                      0
                      so can we hold the following Olympics at home? build up everywhere laughing although it’s better as a corporate party at work - who is involved - that takes off))
          3. Midshipman
            Midshipman 15 October 2013 16: 28
            +1
            There is a category of citizens who are always unhappy often to foam on the lips, regardless of failures or achievements. They didn’t build stadiums - they screamed that the state does not care about the younger generation, they are building - they screech about window dressing. In short, it is impossible to please them, and not necessary.
    2. Far East
      Far East 15 October 2013 13: 13
      +2
      Quote: Jager
      And the fact that we have half-starved pensioners, poor villages, the population is degenerating, to leave for the third transport - and surrounds

      good good good it will be a feast during the plague! hi
    3. Lyapis
      Lyapis 15 October 2013 16: 46
      +3
      to leave for the third transport - and the era of timelessness and devastation surrounds

      Thanks, Jager, you opened my eyes. Before that, he lived 25 years and did not even suspect that I was living in this very timelessness and ruin. belay
    4. O_RUS
      O_RUS 15 October 2013 23: 35
      -3
      Quote: Jager
      Kremlin presents window dressing and show-off for internal consumption - "that's what we are!", "look, we are great, we don't care about anything, we even sent fire into space and lowered it to the bottom of Lake Baikal!" and so on down the list. Just to distract "" (which you and I are for our great "managers" in their opinion) and take quietly next predatory law or from the wreckage of the "Glonass" or "Bulava" that did not reach the orbit that fell from the sky. And what we have half-starved pensioners, poor villages, the population degenerates, leave for the third transport - and the era of timelessness and devastation surrounds


      In the written there is no nonsense and Jager does not write about the need to refuse to host games ... you bddrus *****!

      Jager to you +
  4. treskoed
    treskoed 15 October 2013 07: 01
    28
    The fire went out not in a torch, in people. They are not interested in the Olympics-window dressing, they do not go to the polls, they don’t believe in the promises of the servants of the people !!!
  5. Lech from our city
    Lech from our city 15 October 2013 07: 02
    21
    This hysteria will only grow until the very beginning of the Olympics.
    At the Olympics, homosexuals, fagots and lesbians of all stripes will still enter the battle, so that is still to come.
    As for the enormous funds spent on the OLYMPIAD, I believe that first of all, we need to help our citizens and the population and not make fun around the world.
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  7. Hleb
    Hleb 15 October 2013 07: 20
    +2
    such demos of the Navalnovsky henchmen relish
  8. mak210
    mak210 15 October 2013 07: 25
    28
    16 million rubles were spent on the development of torches and their production (207 thousand pieces!) The question immediately arises - and so much on a fig? The relay will pass 60 with an extra thousand km. How much is it? I think under half a billion it will come out: escort of the traffic police, clothes of relay racers, overlapping of routes, gasoline, etc.

    What for? Primorye froze before the horror of the first frosts, which will begin to tear wet foundations and walls, people will be left without housing, and they will collect money for help with SMS. Wow! It revolts just that. Well and also, of course, the Olympics itself. Firstly, the monstrous excess of the estimate. Secondly, they promised to give jobs, and judging by the TV, they are building Gaster (and will they leave Sochi later?) And the Turks. Thirdly, the place itself. We have a lot of large cities where there is no risk of lack of snow and they are large enough to fully use them in the future: Ufa, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk, etc. No. We surprise the whole world with the largest Russian elephant. Why didn’t they ask the population? I suppose 90 percent would be against holding, but who is listening to us? In general, it seems that everything was done to ennoble the mountain resort for the elite, or am I mistaken?
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 15 October 2013 09: 12
      +3
      Why didn’t they ask the population? I suppose 90 percent would be against holding, but who is listening to us?


      Have you spoken? indicate the Internet source where you and supporters fiercely fought back from the Olympics ...

      or did you just wake up now? :)
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 15 October 2013 13: 54
        +1
        Why didn’t they ask the population? I suppose 90 percent would be against holding, but who is listening to us?

        I was then and now behind. And all my acquaintances only According. May not agree with some issues of conducting and financing, but on any FOR.
        And if we were not entrusted with holding the Olympics, then many would have yelled at another occasion. Like, who will entrust Russia to hold the Olipiada while the country has a "totalitarian" regime, there is Hodor, well, all the other lamentations of the liberals.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 15 October 2013 13: 47
      +2
      Quote: mak210
      16 million rubles were spent on the development of torches and their production (207 thousand pieces!) The question immediately arises - and so much on a fig? The relay will pass 60 with an extra thousand km. How much is it? I think under half a billion it will come out: escort of the traffic police, clothes of relay racers, overlapping of routes, gasoline, etc.

      Part spare, part for souvenirs. the rest will be sold, because the torchbearers even redeem them ...
  9. os9165
    os9165 15 October 2013 07: 32
    -1
    Everything is so with us. That there is a torch with us and the mace does not fly.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 15 October 2013 08: 02
      39
      Something a torch so familiar resembles. Maybe this is the reason. A piece of national artist invested.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 15 October 2013 08: 14
        +5
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Something a torch so familiar resembles

        Ha, in color laughing And I kept thinking and where I saw this torch wassat
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 15 October 2013 09: 15
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And I kept thinking and where I saw this torch


          laughing I won’t give you away, I’d better not say anything. wassat
      2. bddrus
        bddrus 15 October 2013 08: 26
        +3
        to each his own. In principle, does the word "Russian" not immediately remind you of Russian vodka? Just like a carbon copy on which forum you will not go immediately this label
        1. IGS
          IGS 15 October 2013 08: 40
          23
          Never mind. Similarities can be found everywhere. A little off topic but
          "Cigarettes and most of the buttons on men's shirts have a diameter of 7,62 mm, which corresponds to the caliber of cartridges used in many types of small arms. The buttons on jackets are either 14,5 mm (KPVT machine gun) or 12,7 mm (UTES tank anti-aircraft machine guns, On coats, raincoats and other types of outerwear, the size of buttons is either 20 mm (anti-aircraft shells) or 30 mm (2A42 cannon on BMP-2 and most aircraft cannons). Buttons on uniform caps, on the sides of which, are equal to 9 mm (PM pistol and many varieties of submachine guns operating under this caliber). The diameter of a bottle, say, from Stolichnaya vodka or Baltika beer is 73 mm (2A28 cannon on BMP-1 and LNG mounted grenade launcher). the list can be continued for a long time, almost any round-shaped object produced by large factories will correspond to any caliber used by our defense industry.The explanation here is very simple - during the war, as soon as an order is given to transfer the economy of the country to the military regime, factories on their machines are replacing a number of parts and cartridges instead of cigarettes and buttons, shells instead of bottles, gunpowder instead of pasta (ordinary pasta exactly repeats artillery gunpowder) will already go out. It is for the same reason that pieces of laundry soap correspond in size to TNT sticks. "
          So the label came in handy, glad that for peace smile
          1. bddrus
            bddrus 15 October 2013 09: 25
            0
            I haven’t heard about pasta yet! laughing
      3. Russ69
        Russ69 15 October 2013 13: 56
        -2
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Something a torch so familiar resembles. Maybe this is the reason. A piece of national artist invested.

        Captain Vrungel, apparently, you can only associate yourself with this label ...
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 15 October 2013 18: 55
          0
          and you, as I understand it, are our guardian of morals. You can see yourself associating yourself, whoever wrote it wrong there,
      4. kotvov
        kotvov 15 October 2013 18: 51
        -1
        stolen however.
    2. malikszh
      malikszh 15 October 2013 09: 36
      +3
      if you need these maces you and your family are protected, so do not reproach any good luck.
  10. Revolver
    Revolver 15 October 2013 07: 35
    +7
    Actually, it’s not accepted to talk about this, but the tradition of torchbearers carrying fire from Greece to the stadium began in 1936 on the occasion of the games in Berlin with the filing of a certain Goebbels, at that time the Reich Minister of Propaganda. Torchlight processions were generally part of the Nazi tradition. But after all, the idea took root.
    1. chehywed
      chehywed 15 October 2013 13: 10
      +6
      The first full relay race was held only in the 52 year in Norway. Moreover, the flame was then lit not in Greek Olympia, but in the Norwegian village of Morgedal - from the fireplace !!! in the house of the famous skier Sondre Nordheim
      http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/243262

      And nobody seemed to get sick of it.
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 16 October 2013 04: 53
      0
      The fact that the Olympic relay race is the idea of ​​Hitler Germany no one remembers
  11. andrey903
    andrey903 15 October 2013 07: 37
    +5
    Security guard Order of Courage, extraordinary rank, apartment handshake Dvorkovich
    1. military
      military 15 October 2013 10: 32
      -1
      Quote: andrey903
      Security guard Order of Courage, extraordinary rank, apartment handshake Dvorkovich

      ... gratitude with entry ... into the chest ...
    2. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 15 October 2013 10: 37
      -1
      Why not Medvedev?
  12. Ulysses
    Ulysses 15 October 2013 07: 50
    21
    Not a special admirer of Soloviev, but here he is absolutely right.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 15 October 2013 08: 03
      +8
      All right said Solovyov. For the video, thanks! hi
    2. pahom54
      pahom54 15 October 2013 08: 55
      +9
      Solovyov said somewhat rudely, but correctly. And somewhat off topic now, some are talking about the advisability of holding the Olympics, at a time when Russia’s economic problems are above the roof. I agree with them, but this is not about that, but about the joy of some individuals who exaggerate the case of an extinguished torch.
      I am sure that there have been such cases before, there are and will be, and there is nothing wrong with that. Only people who live in Russia are surprising, but they rejoice at any occasion to cover it up with mud. And they don't like the torchbearers (moreover, they speak in an offensive form about the multiple winner of the games of world importance), etc. They are on the same level with Batono-Mishany, which was bursting due to the fact that one of the torchbearers was a pilot shot down in 2008 over Georgia (note - shot down with the help of the air defense system of "friendly" Ukraine).
      I would like to ask these people a question: Who are you ??? What benefit - even for a grain of sand - have you brought to Russia? Who gave you the right to fault Russia and its citizens? If you love Russia, love it the way it is. Do not like it - yeah .. b .. go to where it seems better to you. However, I note that no one needs such Ivanes without kinship.
    3. kmike
      kmike 15 October 2013 09: 46
      +3
      Well done Solovyov called a spade a spade! And then all the liberals, but liberals, scum, she is scum.
    4. GSH-18
      GSH-18 15 October 2013 10: 02
      +7
      Solovyov is absolutely right here from beginning to end! And this O. Leonova should be responsible for the public contemptuous and insulting tone of her statements regarding a distinguished person, a hero.
    5. Muadipus
      Muadipus 15 October 2013 13: 04
      +1
      Soloviev - well done!
      As for Olga Leonova, ... the most disgusting thing is that she is not the only one, there are thousands of them around. Such people are nothing more than - Community Helminths! I need to upload the address of such scum on the Internet, I’m sure that many would be interested.
  13. Apollo
    Apollo 15 October 2013 08: 00
    11
    Good morning everybody hi

    Quote: mak210
    16 million rubles were spent on the development of torches and their production (207 thousand pieces!) The question immediately arises - and so much on a fig? The relay will pass 60 with an extra thousand km. How much is it? I think under half a billion it will come out: escort of the traffic police, clothes of relay racers, overlapping of routes, gasoline, etc.


    colleague, from your comment it is impossible to understand who made the torches and why invent what has already been invented ?!

    Here is the same torch.

    Here is one of the developers for which the prison is crying. "Long live" Dough cut.

    quote - The Olympic torch of the 2014 Games in Sochi will not go out under any circumstances. Andrey Vodyanik, one of the developers of the artifact, confirmed this today in an interview with the correspondent. ITAR-TASS. Answering the question of how it was possible to make the structure continue to burn in frost, in strong winds and even under water, the interlocutor modestly explained that "this is a simple engineering job." “Experienced designers and engineers were involved in the creation of the torch, so there were no particular difficulties, - said Vodyanik. - We, of course, took into account how the combustion systems and the torches themselves were made from previous developers, but we tried to create individuality in technical solutions. , and in artistic images, and in design solutions that it contains. "

    - Are you satisfied with the result?
    - Vladimir Pirozhkov: In my opinion, everything turned out very well. This is an outgoing torch - it will occupy a very worthy place in the line with already existing torches.
    http://zergulio.livejournal.com/606985.html
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 October 2013 08: 06
      +2
      Quote: Apollon
      Here is one developer on whom the prison is crying. Long live the cut of the Bubble.

      Hi Apollo! Here goes 12 mowing apiece for a torch from alumyahi. Probably NANO technology, for 12 thousand, today you can buy a LCD TV.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 15 October 2013 08: 11
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Here goes 12 mowers apiece for a torch from alumyahi. Probably NANO technology, for 12 thousand, today you can buy a LCD TV.


        Russia is a generous soul somewhere I already read it !!! If my memory serves me, then on one of the candy boxes.
        Good afternoon Alexander hi
        1. bddrus
          bddrus 15 October 2013 08: 29
          -2
          it seems to me a wave the price is normal to myself - I think the other torches of the Olympics in the same order were worth it.
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 15 October 2013 08: 37
            +1
            Quote: bddrus
            it seems to me a wave the price is normal to myself - I think the other torches of the Olympics in the same order were worth it.


            why invent something that has already been invented ?!
            1. bddrus
              bddrus 15 October 2013 09: 22
              0
              I don’t understand - do you offer to rent torches from old Olympics? )) All countries make their torch. They only invent ways to protect against attenuation - it’s not entirely successful, of course, ours did, and the shape certainly affects. I can’t blame what they want to do more beautifully and better than before, but if it turns out worse, it’s bad, but judging by the fact that the torch goes out at all olympiads, I still can’t say that. something language is braided by me
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 15 October 2013 09: 25
                0
                Quote: bddrus
                ............. something is braiding my tongue

                clear!!!
                1. bddrus
                  bddrus 15 October 2013 09: 36
                  +1
                  no no no laughing Do you also see vodka labels everywhere? )))
        2. Papakiko
          Papakiko 15 October 2013 09: 09
          +3
          Quote: Apollon
          Russia is a generous soul

          You follow the link and see how generous. wink
          http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-and-Unused-Sochi-2014-Olympic-Torch-with-the-Or
          iginal-Torchbearer-Suit- / 261303249859
          Bidding ended: 11.10.2013/22/50 30:XNUMX:XNUMX MSK
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 15 October 2013 09: 14
            -1
            Quote: Papakiko
            You follow the link and see how generous



            About prices, silence.
            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 15 October 2013 09: 45
              0
              Quote: Apollon
              About prices, silence.

              which ones?
  14. Mikado
    Mikado 15 October 2013 08: 20
    +9
    The fire goes out constantly at all the Olympiads, BUT, which is annoying, only our organizers (especially the "constructors" of torches) have been on the ears for how many times that this is the best torch in the world, that it will not go out even in space and on the seabed, so they say, It’s not a pity to give a couple of hundred million rubles for this miracle and riveted as many as 16 thousand of these torches. And the result? And the result is the same as at the previous Olympiads, well, and the point was then to spend so much money on this "miracle"? If it hadn't been for these "world's best torches" being promoted from TV, there would have been no such reaction. Plus, there have already appeared schoolchildren who, having not yet run off their stage, have already put up their torches for auctions, well, shame, who and how are they selected to carry the fire? ashamed of the country. In America, volunteers also put up their Olympic clothes for auctions, but that was after the close of the Olympics, and here ... Well, of course, I understand everything that at the end of the day the torch is lit by the "Real Olympic Flame", but the author, you Ask yourself a question, would you yourself like to carry on your street what kind of fire, from a zippo lighter or, all the same, from a real fire? Why at the previous relay races a car with "Real Fire" drove behind the torch bearer and if the torch went out, they lit it immediately from it. We nevertheless decided to cut money on torches and light a real fire only at the end of the day.
    1. bddrus
      bddrus 15 October 2013 08: 34
      +3
      on this relay everything happens, and the car drives and is lucky and set on fire, but in this case the torchbearer hurried to set fire, and on the first the car was not provided - there was no point in letting it through the territory of the Kremlin, because she wouldn’t go through the arch. You must have heard sayings about the torches of past competitions from the organizers and developers ??? stop the tantrum - the article is just about the bloated tantrum and you only confirm the author is right.
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 15 October 2013 09: 49
        +3
        What kind of tantrum? that you see hysterics everywhere? There is not a word in the article that at first they inflated the steam around the torches, that they are invulnerable (when I was watching on TV, I thought that the developers were completely crazy to say this, because the fire would go out one hundred percent somewhere through no fault of the torch, and what would they say will be?), there is not a word that schoolchildren are selling torches that have not yet been carried by the hammer, but there is bewilderment where such "hysteria and indignation" come from. I have not heard about the statements of the torches of the past Olympiads, can you give quotes, we will compare. By the way, in my city, because of the torch, the traffic of all transport is blocked until seven in the evening, as people go home from work, very few people care, you have to walk for an hour and a half in the frost. No organization.
        1. bddrus
          bddrus 15 October 2013 11: 20
          0
          and I thought you would bring quotes - you are indignant that they say how so "only here" they praise torches. So confirm your words, otherwise it turns out you said "out of the blue", and now I have to refute?
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 15 October 2013 12: 16
            -1
            Sorry, I haven’t seen the question of quoting anywhere and of course I’m not a telepath to know what you thought there.

            "The Olympic torch of the 2014 Games in Sochi will not go out under any circumstances," Andrei Vodyanik, one of the developers of the artifact, said today in an interview with the ITAR-TASS correspondent.
            Answering the question of how it was possible to make the structure continue to burn in frost, in strong winds and even under water, the interlocutor modestly explained that "this is a simple engineering job." “Experienced designers and engineers were involved in the creation of the torch, so there were no particular difficulties, - said Vodyanik. - We, of course, took into account how the combustion systems and the torches themselves were made from previous developers, but we tried to create individuality in technical solutions. , and in artistic images, and in design solutions that it contains. "
            http://www.itar-tass.com/c9/620367.html

            This is just what the first line in Google gave out. Now I am waiting for quotes from other olympiads from you, so that the local developers would say something like that.
            1. bddrus
              bddrus 15 October 2013 13: 40
              +1
              Pretending to ??? I did not ask for quotes from our organizers!
              annoying, only we have organizers (especially "constructors" of torches)
              - your words? - that's why you are told that
              You must have heard sayings about the torches of past olympiads
              since you affirm it. You don’t have to shift it from a sick mind to a healthy one, but for some reason you insist that I should seek refutation of your words, and not you proof of yours. Good position - I’ll blurt out, and you prove that it’s not
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 15 October 2013 14: 12
                0
                Don't be nervous or annoyed. From your words, I never saw where you are asking for quotations, in the words "You probably heard statements about the torches of past Olympiads"? Do you think this should be understood as a request for quotations? You even write "spoken" yourself, the hand did not rise to write "asked")). So, did my quote suit you or what?
                1. bddrus
                  bddrus 15 October 2013 17: 37
                  +1
                  I figured the sign "?" at the end of my phrase does mean a question. Or something I do not understand? Although you are right, I am annoyed by constant assaults on Russia, I accept them as assaults on me, including - by the way, not only for me - such topics are becoming the most discussed (by the number of comments) - they annoy everyone, only in different ways. I do not harbor illusions about our victories at the Olympics - we will enter the top five, then it is good - in the top three, then it is excellent - but what if the first place, then generally super, because so many who are already starting to predict defeat and mock at what we say not we get the first place as Canadians or Chinese, simply because they like to mock.
                  And I know this quote - it does not at all give grounds to assert that it was praised "ONLY with us" - for sure "every sandpiper praises its swamp" - it works everywhere))
    2. Starfish
      Starfish 15 October 2013 13: 49
      -2
      I didn’t understand one, but what did not please the fire from the lighter? that he is not real? hand does not burn? nothing lights up from him? what difference does the source of fire come from
      and that the strangest thing is often discussed the correctness of the fire atheists, who first of all it should be on the drum and then it is necessary to set fire from the lighter with fake Olympic fire
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 15 October 2013 14: 14
        +1
        I don’t know why the fire of the Olympiad is lit in Greece and then they bring it to the venue of the Olympiad to light a large lamp, they could also light from the lighter and not lead anything
  15. pinecone
    pinecone 15 October 2013 08: 23
    -12 qualifying.
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    Something a torch so familiar resembles. Maybe this is the reason. A piece of national artist invested.


    What kind of "national", when the picture is a brazen bandit face from the Biryulevskaya vegetable base.
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    2. Apollo
      Apollo 15 October 2013 08: 36
      +4
      Quote: pinecone
      What kind of "national", when the picture is a brazen bandit face from the Biryulevskaya vegetable base.


      What is your head on your shoulders for ?!
      Google and find out.
  16. mak210
    mak210 15 October 2013 08: 36
    +6
    Quote: pinecone
    What kind of "national", when the picture is a brazen bandit face from the Biryulevskaya vegetable base.


    The broom must be monitored.

    Shavarsh Vladimir Karapetyan (Armenian Շավարշ Կարապետյան; May 19, 1953, Vanadzor, Armenian SSR, USSR) - Soviet athlete in the field of scuba diving, 11-time world record holder, 17-time world champion, 13-time European champion, seven-time champion of Europe, seven-time champion of Europe, seven Honored Master of Sports of the USSR (1982) [2]. Honorary President of the Russian Diving Association [3]. He was awarded the Order of the Badge of Honor, as well as the badge of honor of the International Olympic Committee “For Fair Play” (“The Noble Game” - English Fair Play; 1982) [4]. Saved several dozen people in several accidents [5].


    It’s a little strange, of course, that the fire from the Russian Kremlin (obviously not Russian, but specifically Russian) was carried out by the Armenian, although very deserved. Which of those present saved at least one person?
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 15 October 2013 19: 05
      0
      But what about what saved, you need to shout or publish data. In general, they talk about such matters with a glass of tea.
  17. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 15 October 2013 08: 59
    14
    Hysteria. The title of the article is correct. Only for some reason we are talking about an extinguished torch.
    Hysteria. Yes. Officials. This is when they block the whole city for the sake of window dressing. In Ryazan, the city center is closed from 10:00 yesterday to 23.00:XNUMX today. Window dressing, which was not heard even under Brezhnev.
    In addition to disgust, the relay race does not cause me anything. And, it seemed, according to officials, it should cause a feeling of pride and patriotism. Ugh!
    1. Standard Oil
      Standard Oil 15 October 2013 09: 24
      +8
      Not only is the center closed, and trolleybuses will not go until 19 o’clock, but with our Ryazan collapsed infrastructure, most likely today there will be a full railway in the city, some have a day off, but what about those who work? get home if the only street you can drive through is blocked until the evening? But we don’t have a metro like in Moscow, because you could get by without this window dressing, why do you need it? I drove a trolley to work and got a lot of colorful epithets to the authorities in general and Putin in particular, it’s not possible to bring them here. If as a whole, then the bottom line is: ** Do I need this?
      1. military
        military 15 October 2013 12: 29
        +1
        Quote: Standard Oil
        How b .. get home

        and the Grand Duke "Oleg Ryazansky" on ***, how can we get home ...
  18. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 15 October 2013 09: 13
    +3
    AND? that already brought the torch of the Olympics? I missed something.
  19. ZU-23
    ZU-23 15 October 2013 09: 17
    +6
    In general, these are all nonsense on my side, the Olympic Games in Sochi are inevitable. Go Russia!!!
  20. Alex66
    Alex66 15 October 2013 09: 18
    +5
    My attitude to the Olympics would be much better if it took place in a more suitable place, where later these objects would be used later for their intended purpose. And so is window dressing alone.
  21. kostik1301
    kostik1301 15 October 2013 09: 23
    0
    Dear what kind of Olympiad there can be, when the people will soon have nothing to do, only EdRo and GDP shout Olympiad sports do what you want only in politics the article is not flattering - negative .................. ....
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 15 October 2013 09: 38
      +3
      the people will soon have nothing to be
      belay
      Let me send you buckwheat. Fair. Tell me the address, I will send you.
  22. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 15 October 2013 09: 36
    +2
    What a strange tantrum around the Olympic torch relay?

    Nothing strange, an ordinary hysteria among a host of other endless tantrums to show how worthless we are in Russia and how bad everything is.

    Never mind.
    1. FunkschNNX
      FunkschNNX 15 October 2013 10: 08
      +6
      I live in the Kuban, so no more than a couple of weeks ago a sign came from the administration - to provide employees for landscaping Sochi and the Olympic facilities, two brigades with an interval of half a month. Naturally completely free, that is, for nothing. It seems that with mats and threats they fell off, we are waiting for the consequences.
      That's how they prepared for the Olympics, that at the last moment (as usual) you have to drive slaves away from the surrounding areas.
      1. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt 15 October 2013 10: 18
        -6
        The Olympics is a necessary and useful matter, it improves the mood of citizens and raises the status of Russia in the world.
        As for calls with requests to provide 2 brigades for free work .... well ... if this is true, then some should not get into the construction superintendents.
        1. godun
          godun 15 October 2013 12: 32
          +3
          I don’t know about the status, dear colleague on the site, but the Bilalov brothers and similar figures, the degree of good mood just rolls over. Our guys call Sochi "the forge of billionaires", it's good ... how many people have become cheerful!
      2. valerei
        valerei 15 October 2013 12: 54
        -1
        Fskenshch13, I immediately remembered the Soviet experience in harvesting vegetables on the surrounding collective farm plantations. Example: It is raining with snow and we came to warm ourselves in the car on the edge of the field, where two female accountants sit in the heat and have a conversation, they say yesterday, when they began to plow the field from under the killed carrots, it became all orange, haha -Ha. And they got fun. My comment, it seems, was not the topic, but it somehow came to my friends.
  23. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 15 October 2013 09: 53
    +3
    I don’t know the bottom of Baikal and the price of torches, but the fact that the Olympic flame will go in space is a very weighty and significant reminder of the power and technological development of Russia. You, Russians, perceive it as something self-evident, but abroad, and even with all the active measures of the State Department, it is not at all like that. Now is one of the very rare moments when foreign media represent Russia well-intentioned and this moment should be used to the maximum.
    1. military
      military 15 October 2013 10: 18
      +1
      Quote: ivanovbg
      I do not know the price of torches

      about 13 tr a piece...
      16000 units purchased ...
    2. valerei
      valerei 15 October 2013 13: 01
      0
      ivanovbg, space, it is, of course, good, but you should not "throw pearls in front of pigs." A foreign citizen will not understand this. He will judge Russia by Hollywood films, for example: "Red Heat" or some other shit.
  24. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 15 October 2013 09: 56
    -5
    I wish the Olympics in Sochi great success. I believe that the hooting of some of our fellow citizens (I am sure there are very few of them) is unacceptable. At the same time, I am dissatisfied with the work of our engineers. Or maybe corruption inherited again?
  25. Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 15 October 2013 09: 56
    +4
    Quote: Sibiryak

    We need a reason to sue KrasMash!



    ..... wow, people, Krasmash has nothing to do with it, production was quickly organized using practically "rocket" capacities and specialists. They are almost all hand-mei - hand-assembled and fine-tuned, all passed the test, each of 18, each wrapped in a double package and a special gift box, even with individual inventory numbers engraved on them. So there is no need for pretensions to Krasmash ....... and the project was developed in Moscow, so present them to them ....... according to our chief technologist, the quality of combustion is affected by the lack of oxygen flow in the fuel combustion chamber. It was necessary, he says, just to drill holes from the bottom so that the thrust would be formed then the combustion would be more stable, but the developers did not foresee this ... now a telegram has come to the plant to correct it, we will increase the gas supply pressure and lengthen the nozzle a little to take it out closer to the top of the torch ........... so there is no need to run into Krasmash, please, here we do everything strictly according to the drawings ...
    1. kush62
      kush62 15 October 2013 16: 04
      -1
      Right countryman !!! What was ordered, then received. Not Krasmash should be blamed, but the developers.
  26. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 15 October 2013 09: 56
    +6
    The torch for the Moscow Olympics could withstand any rain and wind up to 25m / s, but this was in the last century, and they can’t show even close past skill. Torches should be made by engineers, not designers am
    1. bddrus
      bddrus 15 October 2013 14: 00
      +1
      I won’t lie, but I read the phrase about torches, that the record of the Moscow Olympics on the attenuation of the torch will be broken and 15 times mentioned. It’s just that earlier it was not possible to hide the grove, and it wasn’t customary to pedal such a topic either in our country or abroad - in this, the Sochi already excelled — in guan throwing
  27. Vasily Ivanov
    Vasily Ivanov 15 October 2013 09: 59
    +6
    I have a salary of 20 tr per month. tickets (which remained) cost from 12t.r. a piece. plus you need more on the road, housing, etc. the question is, why do I need your olympiad and why don’t I laugh at the fact that the Olympic flame goes out)) FSO employees give out zippo lighters with the Olympic flame?
  28. Anubis
    Anubis 15 October 2013 10: 03
    0
    I am also against the hysteria that the torches go out. But for the life of me, this tradition is not clear to me, because fire is a product of combustion of some kind of fuel and for me it does not matter where it is lit, it is important what fuel this fire burns on, as well as the origin of this fuel. There is already clearly a snag, because the fuel is not surely from the "national treasure" laughing
  29. military
    military 15 October 2013 10: 17
    +1
    pass by the fact: at the end of the next day of the route, the torch, if for one reason or another it went out or was extinguished, is ignited precisely from the burner that was brought by plane from Greece.

    interesting feature:
    at night, the fire is guaranteed to become "Olympic" ...
    and in the afternoon, for fun, the people around the cities carry a firebrand that periodically goes out and is kindled by improvised means ...
  30. 12061973
    12061973 15 October 2013 10: 40
    +4
    I don’t see anything surprising in the fact that people see a bad sign in an extinguished torch, because recently Channel 1 was broadcasting a series of gospels in Prime-Time, and before that there was a messing, palmist, etc.
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  32. v.lyamkin
    v.lyamkin 15 October 2013 10: 46
    0
    And I have so many torches. Are they disposable or what? If yes, why?
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 15 October 2013 10: 53
      +2
      Quote: v.lyamkin
      Are they disposable or what? If yes, why?

      Everywhere such torches are disposable. Very often, if not always, I do not presume to assert, they remain in the form of a souvenir at the carrying torch. In my opinion, and now this is not violated.
      1. military
        military 15 October 2013 11: 41
        0
        Quote: Hedgehog
        Everywhere such torches are disposable. Very often, if not always, I do not presume to assert, they remain in the form of a souvenir at the carrying torch. In my opinion, and now this is not violated.

        disposable ... yes
        According to media reports, they do not remain as souvenirs, but can be bought out by the relay participant (if desired) at the face value ... i.e. for the same 13 sput. fellow
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 15 October 2013 11: 56
          +2
          Quote: military
          they don’t stay as souvenirs,

          A souvenir, a good deal. Memory. It's not a pity for this money either. They are not that great. Hardly anyone will refuse to purchase it. I have a ticket from the Moscow Olympics with a "control" not torn off somewhere. I bought a ticket, but it didn't work out. sad
  33. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 15 October 2013 10: 50
    +2
    What a strange tantrum around the Olympic torch relay?

    Those who benefit from it screech and hurt! And not otherwise.
    1. military
      military 15 October 2013 12: 02
      +2
      Quote: Hedgehog
      Those who benefit from it screech and hurt! And not otherwise.

      and the people, in general, in the bulk do not squeal, and do not hysteria ... he has other problems ... he was transparently hinted on the eve of the imminent prospects of forced migration and unemployment ... therefore, he just looks sarcastically at this show ... and represents how nice it would be to walk these "candelabra" over the heads of the organizers ... request
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 15 October 2013 12: 30
        +3
        Quote: military
        transparently hinted at the imminent prospects of forced migration and unemployment.

        Right. And then they settled in Moscow and do not want anywhere else. They're coming to me, into the "hole", into the wilderness. Nefikh stand in Moscow traffic jams. I could breathe badly. fellow laughing
        1. military
          military 15 October 2013 12: 33
          +2
          Quote: Hedgehog
          They're coming to me, into the "hole", into the wilderness.

          hi "- Will you be in Kolyma ..." laughing
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 15 October 2013 12: 43
            +2
            Quote: military
            - Will be with us in Kolyma.

            Better you to us! It’s not very cold, a river, a forest beyond it. There are wild boars in the forest, moose are found. good drinks
  34. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 15 October 2013 11: 23
    +1
    The liberals screech with joy. K_ZLY, forgive me LORD.
  35. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 15 October 2013 11: 23
    -1
    I agree with the author. All this excitement is "a storm in a glass". The main thing is the organization of the Olympics, not the relay.
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  37. understudy
    understudy 15 October 2013 12: 08
    +1
    Yeah ... well, what kind of hysteria can be in relation to those officials from the sport who have been unsinkable for so many years. Decaying torches are just a slap in the face for them - they shook off, smiled and cowered on, there’s still a football championship ahead, we have to have time ... There will be no torches, but there is no doubt that they will make especially durable balls with Kevlar shell with rhinestones and platinum. Well, so that at minus forty they do not scratch and look rich.

    The author takes a rather strange position - but with them, and here with them !!! Yes, I don’t care what they have and how! If you have muddied the winter party in the subtropics, so try to do everything at the appropriate level. In the meantime, we have one "worthy" indicator - a fantastic high cost - out of the declared 12 lard greens, hatched under all 50.
  38. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 15 October 2013 12: 09
    +5
    Thanks Alex, for your article!

    A great many of our morons get just some kind of perverted pleasure from spitting and throwing dirt at their country for every tiniest failure. (or maybe they just get paid for it)
    1. understudy
      understudy 15 October 2013 12: 29
      +1
      I would like to draw your attention to the fact that "failures" haunt any state only when random people are involved in management. And it's simpler - laymen. Perhaps personally devoted to someone. But their essence does not change from this, as well as the amount of harm they bring.
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 15 October 2013 12: 40
        +4
        I would like to focus on the fact that FAILURES pursue any state from time to time ALWAYS. It turns out, following your logic, all states are always ruled by ignoramuses who sometimes manage to make mistakes and not make mistakes.

        The issue is not the presence of profane in the country, and in the presence of a small number of moral monsters, happy to spit in their own country about every tiniest failure.
        1. understudy
          understudy 15 October 2013 13: 03
          +1
          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          and in the presence of a small number of moral monsters


          The number of named freaks directly depends on the success of management. Joseph Vissarionovich successfully managed.
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 15 October 2013 13: 51
            +1
            Vissarionovich is certainly a great ruler. But he also had a lot of stocks. And the methods of collectivization, and the initial period of the war, and that which allowed itself to be poisoned, that it did not leave a successor after itself ...

            Another thing is that there were fewer paid bots then, and Western propaganda didn’t spoil people's brains so much.
        2. military
          military 15 October 2013 13: 35
          -3
          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          It turns out, following your logic, all states are always ruled by ignoramuses who sometimes manage to make mistakes and not make mistakes.

          it doesn’t work ... not always ...
          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          I would like to focus on the fact that FAILURE persecutes any state periodically ALWAYS

          your key word is "periodically" ... the profane come to power just from time to time ... however, with enviable consistency ... then a streak of failures begins ...
          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          The question is not the presence of profane in the country

          the question is whether they are in the country's leadership ... well, and in quantity ... hi
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 15 October 2013 13: 57
            +1
            Well, tell us not profane. By name ...
      2. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 15 October 2013 12: 48
        +2
        Is this a subtle hint that Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Kaganovich and others like them were very large specialists in government?
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 15 October 2013 12: 59
          +1
          This is a hint that the vast majority of scientists who have received the Nobel Prize in economics are WESTERN scholars teaching at Western universities, publishing their economic books in the West, teaching, counseling, Western government officials and / or directly serving in Western governments, all of these Nobel Prize winners in economics brought their Western economy to the most severe crisis. wink
          1. military
            military 15 October 2013 13: 43
            0
            Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
            all of these Nobel Prize winners in economics have brought their Western economy to the most severe crisis.

            huh? ... and who brought our economy? ... and where? ...
            1. Ivan_Ivanov
              Ivan_Ivanov 15 October 2013 13: 55
              0
              Yes, I would like to know who and where!

              And for this, a simple comparison with periods of, say, 5 years is suitable. Well, let’s get here the indicators of GDP per capita, birth rate, the number of housing built, income, pensions, unemployment, life expectancy ... Starting from at least 2000 ... Yes, even in comparison with the dynamics of these same indicators in the west and in the world ... So we'll see. wink
              1. military
                military 15 October 2013 15: 31
                -1
                "statistics are the venal wench of capitalism" ... Russian is no exception ...
                http://listmix.ru/44378-statistika-prodazhnaya-devka-rossiyskoy-vlasti.html
                and all the delights of the "dynamics" people **** feel ... laughing
                1. Ivan_Ivanov
                  Ivan_Ivanov 15 October 2013 15: 53
                  +1
                  It is not known what the site is, who sponsors it.
                  It is not known what kind of article, even its author is not indicated.

                  Excuse me, do you believe everyone ... (as it would be more correct to put it) govnovbros and dubious source, make a judgment based on it and expect the same from us? .. sad

                  Do not wait wink

                  Strange, somewhere all the opponent’s comments have gone ...
        2. understudy
          understudy 15 October 2013 13: 00
          -2
          Quote: Hedgehog
          This is a subtle hint that Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Kaganovich and others like them


          This is not even a hint, this is a statement. For the designated individuals were striving for leadership, and were not "hooked" by someone. This time. Well, and secondly ... read the PSS, it contains OWN thoughts of the greatest politicians in our history, and not rehash of dubious press secretaries.
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 15 October 2013 13: 19
            +3
            Quote: Understudy
            the designated individuals strove for leadership, and were not "hooked" by someone

            A dubious statement, especially in the light of the ranting of Kaganovich’s nephew himself in a book dedicated to his uncle.
            In hot pursuit of the abdication of the king from the throne, on the ship "Christianafjord", from New York to Petrograd in May 1917, Trotsky was sent. Trotsky did not arrive empty-handed. The steamboat was packed with weapons, and about three hundred Jewish gangsters from the Manhattan East Side were sent with Trotsky, already skilled in skirmishes with police in a noisy street war of the Prohibition era. At the same time, astronomical and unlimited amounts of money accompanied Trotsky from Wall Street through the Swedish bank Nyaken to Petrograd itself. The irony of fate is that it is precisely because of the connection with the bourgeois of Wall Street that Trotsky will destroy tens of millions of innocent people,
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 15 October 2013 16: 45
              +1
              Quote: Hedgehog
              sent about three hundred Jewish gangsters from the Manhattan East Side

              Pancake! Did not know! This is who the revolutionaries are! Are there any traces of them left? Or did the dense "scoops" trample them here? And no monuments were erected.
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 15 October 2013 18: 31
                0
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                Pancake! Did not know! That's who the revolutionaries are!

                It was always hiding. Moreover, I don’t remember where, but I met the mention that since this shobla practically did not speak Russian, they were passed out as Latvians. This is to have an idea where the ears are coming from. But I will not insist on this version. I do not remember the source. Damned sclerosis! repeat
            2. Drosselmeyer
              Drosselmeyer 15 October 2013 22: 55
              0
              +++ In the hot pursuit of the abdication of the king from the throne, Trotsky was sent from New York to Petrograd in May 1917 on the ship “Christianafjord”. Trotsky did not arrive empty-handed. The steamboat was packed with weapons, and about three hundred Jewish gangsters from the Manhattan East Side were sent with Trotsky, already skilled in skirmishes with police in a noisy street war of the Prohibition era. +++

              Your "nephew" of Kaganovich writes nonsense. Prohibition was in the United States from 1920 to 1933. And there could not have been shootouts in the United States with the police over alcohol in 1917. Well, about the destroyed tens of millions ... why not hundreds? Trotsky killed tens of millions, Stalin killed tens of millions, but who remained in Russia?
    2. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 15 October 2013 12: 50
      +6
      Quote: Ivan_Ivanov

      A great many of our morons get just some kind of perverted pleasure from spitting and throwing mud at their country

      As a rule, these are people who themselves are not capable of anything significant. And they write and say such nasty things just to justify their worthlessness
  39. mithridate
    mithridate 15 October 2013 13: 22
    0
    Is there really nothing more to discuss at a military forum than the extinction of a torch?
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 15 October 2013 13: 58
      -1
      Are you familiar with this concept: information war?

      The attitude of moral freaks and paid bots to an extinct torch is an episode of the information war.

      So that's it.
    2. Hamul
      Hamul 15 October 2013 14: 11
      +1
      Yes, it's not that he went out.
      And the fact is that how much of our money was spent on "creating" these type of torches. It was promised that they burn even under water and will never be extinguished by the wind.

      And I even think that it didn’t go away, but flowed away by the Moscow River. How much PR, how much pathetics, but what's the point ????? And what did the extinguished torches look like;) ???

      Better sports schools were built more and money was invested in free sports, at least for children.


      IMHO.
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 15 October 2013 14: 20
        -1
        Yes, it's not that he went out.

        Well yes. And the fact that paid bots and moral use this event to spit on the country. Are you with them?
        Better ...

        Good wishes ...
        1. clidon
          clidon 15 October 2013 17: 32
          -1
          And you need to turn away and not notice how "correct" loyal citizens? Is it a sacred symbol, an icon of power about which is either good or nothing?
          The authorities themselves fanned these torches, all this hype and PR, and now it has gone out, so you shouldn't be surprised that people sigh, "Well, that's how it is always" ...
    3. Breeze59
      Breeze59 15 October 2013 17: 45
      +2
      A normal discussion. In fact. Personally, I was disliked by Alexander Romanov. Undeservedly insulted a respectable person - Shavarsha Vladimirovich Karapetyan and apologized with an almost biblical phrase "... we are all sinners." Others are outraged that the money goes to events related to the Olympics, and not to help flood victims. Although aid goes on and so considerable. The main thing is that it reaches the addressees. In Ukraine, Galicia channels are in fact throwing a joyful tantrum over the accidentally extinguished Olympic torches. Such an embarrassment for the hated Russia, there is nowhere Yes, I do not care about their opinion and the opinion of the same people, but Russians. Hello Olympics! Long live Russia! Written on a sober head. Just annoyed by enemies and whiners ...
      1. military
        military 16 October 2013 16: 25
        0
        Quote: Breeze59
        insulted a respectable person - Shavarshу Vladimirovich Karapetyan

        ShavarshА. repeat
        his name is Shavarsh, not Shavarsh (with emphasis on the last syllable) ... you should not distort ... especially since the person is really worthy ...
        Quote: Breeze59
        Long live Russia! It is written on a sober head.

        "Russia" is spelled with a capital ... all the more sober ...
  40. vladimir VR
    vladimir VR 15 October 2013 13: 56
    0
    Those who pay for it screech. A similar category screeches always and for any reason, like dogs on a leash allow nothing to do.
  41. understudy
    understudy 15 October 2013 14: 01
    0
    Quote: Hedgehog
    Doubtful statement, especially in the light of the rantings of Kaganovich’s nephew


    Well, for some, Rezun’s opuses are irrefutable historical documents.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 15 October 2013 14: 17
      +1
      But for you, the fact of the arrival of Trotsky and Co. on a steamboat from America and their connection with Wall Street and Western bankers (and most likely intelligence services) is debatable?

      The fact that Rezun is rot. Yes, does not negate the fact that Trotsky and Co. are the same nits.
  42. morpogr
    morpogr 15 October 2013 14: 56
    +1
    Simple technical overlay no more.
  43. godun
    godun 15 October 2013 15: 13
    +2
    For the most part, in people, it evokes emotions, not that the fire is extinguished in SOMEONE's deserved hands, but that the fire is extinguished. From the very beginning, the Winter Olympic Games, held in the southern resort, aroused concern among many about the feasibility and cost of this "event", but the further activities of the "game builders" not only confirmed the fears, but even convinced that everything is much worse. The cost of the Olympic facilities increases, from the design cost, by ... percent, this is the world practice. But we have a rise in price at times, and this against the background of deterioration in almost all spheres of life in Russia. And someone, please tell me, needs games NOW ... pensioners living on pennies, parents of sick children looking for money for surgery, or maybe residents of crumbling houses that cannot be resettled in normal housing due to lack of money ... This list can be continue indefinitely. At work, I have to communicate with people of different, as they say now, social groups and none of them needs such games ... No, there is one, he works in the police. So, this "hysteria" is not against people carrying fire, but the reaction of normal people to this farce ...
    1. military
      military 15 October 2013 15: 57
      +2
      Quote: godun
      a rise in price at times, and this is against the backdrop of deterioration in almost all spheres of life in Russia.

      Feast in Time of Plague...
    2. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 15 October 2013 21: 26
      -2
      The cost of Olympic facilities is increasing

      Well, and what is the cost, do you even know? Nationwide, many \ few ???

      I think you can’t even imagine it.

      In general, I will not beat around the bush, government spending on the Olympics for all years is less than 1% of revenue in the Russian budget for 2012.
      1. Apologet insane
        Apologet insane 16 October 2013 05: 29
        -1
        Well, yes, against the background of Putin's statements about the need to cut the budget, any really necessary articles will have a value measured in hundredths of a percent of income to the budget of the Russian Federation.
        1. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt 16 October 2013 11: 59
          0
          Can I link to such a statement? Then we'll talk.
          1. Apologet insane
            Apologet insane 16 October 2013 13: 14
            0
            http://expert.ru/2013/09/4/gadanie-na-byudzhete/

            http://www.rg.ru/2013/09/30/budzhet-site.html

            http://www.rbcdaily.ru/politics/562949988734773

            http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/32077
  44. raliv
    raliv 15 October 2013 15: 46
    0
    Well, author, tell me how the fire of Olimiada-80 died out. I would like to listen.
    1. Volodin
      15 October 2013 18: 28
      +2
      If
      I would like to listen
      then you - on the radio. We usually read, and then agree or disagree with the read - everything is very simple.
  45. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 15 October 2013 16: 13
    0
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  46. No_more
    No_more 15 October 2013 16: 21
    +1
    Well, there’s nothing even to be said, they themselves organized hysteria so that more money could be spent. Because on OLYMPUS! you can spend a lot more money than just olympiad. Actually, for what they fought ..
    Sometimes it is drawn to any radicalism, such as the desire to "kick in the face" when I see how much of our money is spent on such nonsense, like Kobzon and other "heroes" walking with a torch OLYMPIADS! etc.
  47. Sanyht
    Sanyht 15 October 2013 17: 42
    -10 qualifying.
    ETERNALLY DRINKED UNDERWISE OF BREZHNEV (advisers from Israel, 5th column) slipped the ETERNAL MEMORY THEORY from ETERNAL FIRES (expensive gas) ... this was done with the PURPOSE OF ECONOMIC DESTRUCTION OF THE USSR !!! Now it’s not at all clear: why burn and rush about? ? BURN OXYGEN? * (so there’s nothing more to breathe) * THE DARK SITUATION! ? ! and THERE IS NO PRAGMATIC LOVING NATURE AND HATING THE MARASM OF THE PAST to restore NORMAL LIFE WITHOUT ANTHROSIS OF ANTIURAGE!
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 16 October 2013 06: 18
      0
      Little you ECHO, yeah. DOT.
  48. Des10
    Des10 15 October 2013 17: 49
    +1
    For me it is not so important - the torch went out or not extinguished, otherwise, since the "engineers" promised constant burning, it is a shame for them, since they did not complete the task. And d.b. punishment - fines, termination of contracts - so that at least somehow get through to say - answer!
    A: Quote: Alexander Romanov
    "People, and what kind of" athlete "is in the photo in a tracksuit. Judging by his face, he has no more relationship to sports than I do to ballet."
    How can this be so !? And if there was a simple person, well, an invalid, a pensioner who wanted to carry a torch with the Olympic flame !?
    Solovyov spoke sincerely of a similar attitude towards people. In short, you are in the know.
    Quote: pinecone
    What kind of "national", when the picture is a brazen bandit face from the Biryulevskaya vegetable base. here is a couple.
  49. Lazy cat
    Lazy cat 15 October 2013 19: 01
    0
    There are incidents in life.
  50. itr
    itr 15 October 2013 20: 50
    +1
    Well, to be honest, the torch still should not go out! This is a torch and it should burn until the fuel runs out
    But who developed it and sold it, I would put it in the ass and spin it about until it returned the money
    Not any saliva and tantrums a purely everyday matter
    Paid for a thing and bought shit
    Punish accordingly