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“Scare Russia with shale gas?” Flag in hand! "

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“Scare Russia with shale gas?” Flag in hand! "

One of the leaders of the "Nord Stream" Sergei Serdyukov told "NV" who benefits from "shale fever" and for what it started in the West.


Not only in the West, but also in Russia, there is talk that the "shale revolution" will make Russian gas unnecessary, will crash fuel prices. Our interviewee, technical director of the international consortium “Nord Stream” / Nord Stream AG, Sergey SERDYUKOV, considers this “revolution” to be a political and advertising project that will bring a lot of disappointment to those who believe in it.

- Sergey Gavrilovich, you, as a technical director, built, and now you are operating the Nord Stream - a gas pipeline running along the bottom of the Baltic Sea from Vyborg to Germany for decent money - 8 billion euros.

- In fact, it was built by a consortium of countries - Russia, Germany, France and the Netherlands, but I really am responsible for technology and technology.

- ... And now a powerful information campaign has been launched, that this gas pipeline will not pay off and is not needed at all, because a “shale revolution” is coming. The United States has already switched to shale gas, by the 2020 years are going to establish its exports to Europe. Europe itself plans to start mining it, and Ukraine, which has already signed an agreement with Shell, worth 20 billion euros, is going to become the largest “earner”. As a result, the Nord Stream may remain without work.

- At one time, gold rush erupted in California and Alaska. Tens of thousands of people threw everything and went looking for gold. Found the unit, the rest went bankrupt, died. The same, only on a large scale, occurs with shale gas. Launched projects in the United States, and especially as planned in Ukraine, are not a shale revolution. To put it mildly, this is the “shale fever” on which units will earn.

- But why? America really produces shale gas in huge volumes! And it is cheaper than purchased from the Middle East or Gazprom, if it was delivered to the United States.

- With the help of a sheet of paper and a ballpoint pen, especially with the help of a computer, I will draw you such a balance sheet, such profits, that you gasp. But without knowing the real situation - this is just an advertising move, propaganda. I am aware of the situation and experience. And I will eagerly explain, including to the Ukrainian colleagues, if they do not understand everything.

The US Shallow Eldorado is North Dakota. This is, in fact, the only known place in the world where shale gas can be produced profitably. In the rest of the American fields, oil makes a profit, while gas comes as a by-product, which is why it is considered cheap, because accounting costs are attributed to oil. In ordinary shale deposits, which are numerous in the world, there is little or no gas. It is necessary that under the shale were oil reservoirs, from which hydrocarbons in the pores seep into the shale. In pure form, such conditions are only in Dakota, on a stretch of about one hundred per hundred kilometers.

But what are the costs? The technology used by the Americans cannot even be called predatory - this is even worse. For gas to enter the well, it is necessary to fracture the formation so that cracks are formed. But water quickly fills up these cracks, because the Americans began to drive sand and a special gel into the cracks, which is extremely toxic. This is an environmental crime. As well as the fact that they do not preserve waste wells. In our country, each liquidation well is poured over the entire depth with a cementing solution. Americans do not do this to reduce costs. Otherwise, their earners would have been ruined. Shale borehole works all four years, it is like a bottle with a pop, zilch - and all the gas came out. No money is enough for each canning. Therefore, they will leave behind not just a desert, but a dead, as after a chemical war, land where it will be impossible to live.

By the way, for some reason, Greenpeace does not appear there. On the Prirazlomnaya project, the draft of which has been coordinated with all the northern countries, where nothing has been spilled, they have arrived on a special ship. And Dakota, which you can just come by car - preferably only in a chemical protection suit - they are not interested. Apparently, the sponsors are not told.

- But maybe the case is worth such sacrifices, because shale gas is really cheap.

- Nothing like this! If oil is not taken along with gas, the profitability is negative, despite the insane cost savings, the maximum tax breaks. In addition, this gas is very dirty, with a mass of impurities, it can be used only for domestic needs without expensive cleaning.

- Then why do Americans need it?

“This is not a commercial, but a political project, started by Bush, who wanted to demonstrate US energy independence. Well, there were other political interests. He has no long-term prospects - they will finish Dakota, Texas, and I don’t know whether they will find anything else and whether the public will agree to arrange another poisonous desert.

- We in Russia are now also in the fashion theory of shale gas, which will soon conquer the world ...

- To tell the truth, we introduced the fashion for shale gas ourselves. In 1948, it was shale gas that came to Leningrad - earlier than to Moscow. But it was the gas obtained from the oil shale mined in the mines by sublimation in special reactors in the city of Kohtla-Järve. There is a large shale deposit - one for two states, Russia and Estonia, it can still produce this “white coal” to the surface in large quantities. And it can still be gasified, getting the most valuable shale oil and shale gas.

Well, the theory about the conquest of the world by natural shale gas is voiced by just a few people - you know them, because they are your colleagues, and I know who needs it, because we work in one area. In billiards there is such a term - cannon, when they hit one ball at a time so that it hits the other, and he rolls the hole in the third. The same combination is played out here - they talk about one thing, having in mind something completely different. The real issue is whether to leave Gazprom a monopoly on the export of all Russian gas or to allow several more large companies to be exported. The owners of these companies want to get direct access to foreign markets, the state has its own ideas on this. So some comrades decided to show the public and the country's leadership which leaders of Gazprom were short-sighted, how poorly they were monitoring market conditions, in particular, overslept the “shale revolution”. This means that all exports cannot be trusted either. Such is the informational mnogohodovka, but not achieved a result.

- If shale gas, as you say, is a political project, then where did the Ukrainian shale project worth 20 billion euros come from?

- Yes, there will be no Ukrainian project - I speak to you as a specialist! There will be solemn presentations, signing agreements, handshakes, cutting ribbons and other promotional activities. It will take a couple of years, then the first exploration well, the second, will be drilled with fanfare. Then the project is recognized unpromising. Where is shale gas in Poland that Exxon Mobil promised to mine there? Where is he in Hungary? Dummy. Shell, which plans to produce gas in Ukraine, has just abandoned a number of shale projects in other countries, and is selling its shale assets in the United States. And in Ukraine will be the same. In scanty quantities there is gas in all shales, but Ukraine doesn’t need to refill lighters, so the project will be abandoned.

“Then what is it all about?” Ukrainians will not fool themselves.

- Only for the sake of one thing - lower prices for Russian gas. Not the current prices - for our revision our partners have no grounds, but those that are formed on 2020 and the following years. This is what the slate argument is used for.

- Well, let's say there is no shale gas in Europe. But there is another threat - that this liquefied gas will be exported to Europe from the United States.

- There is no such threat. I have already mentioned one reason - the extraction of shale gas, even for its needs, costs the US too much, both financially and ecologically. The largest producer of this gas, Chesapeake Energy, is already in a pre-bankrupt state. The second reason is gas liquefaction technology. Before liquefying gas must be cleaned of carbon dioxide, otherwise it will float there flakes, like a spoon of tar in a barrel of honey. There is practically no carbon dioxide in Russian gas — which is Sakhalin’s and West Siberian and offshore — so it is cheap to liquefy it. And in the American shale impurities - above the roof. Therefore, they will have to install a gas purification plant near the liquefaction plant, which will increase the final cost of the product of interest on 20 – 30. For a lot of money, everything can be done, but you can also heat the stove with banknotes.

- You say that it all comes down to one question - the price of Russian gas. And what claims to her, is she not a market one? We do not demand that the Germans sell us their cars, and the Italians - fashionable clothes below the price that they themselves have appointed.

- This is a very interesting and instructive история - where did the current gas prices come from? The story of how our European colleagues outsmarted themselves. The gas market is not exactly a market. These are not cars and not even oil, which you can buy from anyone you want and deliver to any destination. We need gas pipelines, which means long-term contracts that bind both parties - the supplier and the recipient. How to determine the price? In the mid-nineties, when Gazprom began to conclude large contracts with Europe, the Europeans proposed a pricing formula: linking the cost of gas to the price of oil. After all, both are fuel, boilers can be heated with gas, even with fuel oil. Then it was profitable for them, because oil cost from 12 to 19 dollars per barrel. But for six years now, the price of oil above one hundred dollars per barrel, respectively, has also increased the price of gas. This, of course, is not good for buyers, but what should be done? Oil and coal are even more expensive. Liquefied gas from the Middle East is also not cheap. The promises to build an independent gas pipeline from Azerbaijan to Europe - Nabucco is a house on the sand, another political project. There is only one argument left - to scare Russia with shale gas. As they say, the flag in hand.

- Do not these prices quarrel with Europeans seriously?

- With serious partners - no. Nobody is ever satisfied with prices at all, but in our case they are not taken from the ceiling, but tied to the exchange prices of oil. In addition, in energy, and indeed in any business, it is not so much the price that matters, but the stability of the supply of goods. Gazprom guarantees this stability, and the Europeans highly appreciate it. And what else is important in business - we, that is, the Russian side, are not trying to get all the money into our own pocket, but give money to our partners. In the same Nord Stream, the main buyers of our gas have their share. The “old” Europeans, by and large, are satisfied with everything, although they, of course, would be happy to find a way to reduce prices. The “new” Europeans and Ukraine are indignant most loudly, although they have also been repeatedly offered partnerships in gas projects.

- It turns out that the whole world is tied to natural gas, it has no alternative?

- There are - huge reserves of methane are contained in crystal hydrate deposits. They are available both in us and in other countries. The one who opens the way of their exploitation will be worthy of ten Nobel Prizes. This is a challenge for the new generation of scientists and engineers.

- In conclusion, I want to distract from the gas topic and ask: how did you get to work at Gazprom, and then at the management of Nord Stream? Young people who dream of Gazprom will be interested in this.

- Because in my youth I decided to become an engineer. In 1970's, when there was no talk of the notorious Bologna process, real engineers, technicians and managers were trained in one person. I can tell young people: technicians with higher education are acutely lacking both in our country and in Europe. I spoke with the Germans, they have already calculated that they lack forty thousand engineers. Some of them they intend to lure from Russia. It is unprofitable for us that other countries get our specialists for free.

Do you know what the market value of a normal engineer is? It is also calculated in the West - 17 – 20 million euros. So much is to grow a specialist. He pays back this money, he also brings profit to his enterprise. Today, all the townsfolk thanks to the press are aware of the prices of football stars. So, engineers should cost almost as much as football stars. Only stars "shine a maximum of 12 years", and a high-class engineer - 40 years. And finding a decent job for them is not a problem in any country - at least in Russia, at least in Europe.

help "nv"

Sergei Serdyukov headed the Lentransgaz company, which not only provided gas supplies to St. Petersburg and the entire North-West, but also was the main sponsor of Zenit before Gazprom joined the business. Before moving to the northern capital, Serdyukov worked in Uraltransgaz, Permtransgaz and other structures of the former Mingazprom and the Ministry of Oil and Gas Industry, defended his thesis. After Lentransgaz, he was transferred to the international consortium North European Gas Pipeline, later renamed Nord Stream, as technical director, where he still works today. He is married, has two daughters - the other children (four sons and a daughter) are already adults.
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  1. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 15 October 2013 06: 41
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    Do you know what the market value of a normal engineer is? It is also calculated in the West - 17 – 20 million euros. So much is to grow a specialist. He pays back this money, he also brings profit to his enterprise. Today, all the townsfolk thanks to the press are aware of the prices of football stars. So, engineers should cost almost as much as football stars. Only stars "shine a maximum of 12 years", and a high-class engineer - 40 years. And finding a decent job for them is not a problem in any country - at least in Russia, at least in Europe.

    Once the clown-Zadornov "joked" that Sakhalin residents grovel in front of visiting Americans ...
    And the harsh truth is distorted by this clown opus, such that the Americans pay engineers 2-3 times higher and naturally, all many of my colleagues dreamed (and dream) to run away to work at the facilities of the Sakhalin industry, developed by the United States and partners ...
    In Russia, engineers are working for the idea ... Probably even among the soldiers you will not find as many patriots as in some sort of research institute and scientific research institute.
    I foresee that my karma will suffer from a flurry of minuses, but God be with him. When conducting the promotion of the security forces of the Russian Federation, one should not forget that the security officer without an engineer is simply Chingachguk with a bow ...

    And here is oil and gas? Yes, despite the fact that only we can have a poor oilman ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 07: 14
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      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      I foresee that my karma will suffer from a flurry of minuses, but God be with him

      This is you in vain. We also live in this country. laughing
    2. Very old
      Very old 15 October 2013 09: 03
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      Maxim, no squall. Shale gas (for me, a "very narrow-minded" person, as one of my opponents put it) is akin to a Star Wars tale. Another fat duck. And the goal of this campaign is to scare Russia. And further, hopes for "shale" will turn into dust and disappointment. In time, a hangover will come. Until then, don't stop them from rejoicing
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 15 October 2013 10: 05
        +9
        It is sad to realize that the Motherland survives mainly through the trade in minerals, in fact it is a raw material colony. And any fluctuation in the price of oil or gas directly affects the budget of the country and are archival topics. sad
        1. SPACE
          SPACE 15 October 2013 10: 31
          -6
          Quote: S_mirnov
          It is sad to realize that the Motherland survives mainly through the trade in minerals, in fact it is a raw material colony.

          Well, cry, grieve, Raw Colonist, rip your hair on the pope! Or go and become the high-tech world leader, which is weak? So, you can’t shove it, don’t torture your ass, then don’t bother normal people to do business! It is necessary to use what is available and advantages, and not to dream about what is not and will not be, the government owes you, and what do you owe? what have you done Acroma of liquid diarrhea.
          1. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz 15 October 2013 11: 23
            +7
            Quote: SPACE
            Well, cry, grieve, Raw Colonist, rip your hair on the pope! Or go and become the high-tech world leader, which is weak? So, you can’t shove it, don’t torture your ass, then don’t bother normal people to do business! It is necessary to use what is available and advantages, and not to dream about what is not and will not be, the government owes you, and what do you owe? what have you done Acroma of liquid diarrhea.

            Isn’t it really embarrassing for you to write such a letter? A person who didn’t hurt you and did not offend you. I regret you, and even more than your parents.
            1. SPACE
              SPACE 15 October 2013 11: 41
              +1
              Quote: gladiatorakz
              Isn’t it really embarrassing for you to write such a letter? A person who didn’t hurt you and did not offend you. I regret you, and even more than your parents.

              That's right, you wrote, because I myself suffer-thump crying drinks when I fly a wire with a voltage of 220, I go crazy or cut a scalpel. A good surgeon must be a Ruthless Man!
              wassat laughing hi
              1. gladiatorakz
                gladiatorakz 15 October 2013 12: 34
                +3
                Quote: SPACE
                A good surgeon must be a Ruthless Man!

                HERurg can be ruthless, but the SURGEON should love people.
                1. SPACE
                  SPACE 15 October 2013 14: 03
                  +5
                  Quote: gladiatorakz
                  HERurg can be ruthless, but the SURGEON should love people.

                  Judging by your epaulettes and ban, you really love people laughing
                  You know, dear moralizing you, our Herurg, it’s not interesting for me to even talk to you, let alone arrange anything, it doesn’t bring anything, no knowledge, no money, nothing, so let me take my leave, but what I said, I said and despite the minuses, in spite of everything, the necessary seeds in the brains of whom I wanted sowed ... laughing
                  1. Botanologist
                    Botanologist 15 October 2013 15: 05
                    +5
                    Quote: SPACE
                    it’s not interesting for me to even talk to you, let alone arrange a night, it brings nothing, no knowledge, no money, nothing, so let me take my leave


                    No need to translate the conversation into emotions. What for? Here, after all, different people discuss different topics, and not each other. True?
                  2. gladiatorakz
                    gladiatorakz 15 October 2013 18: 30
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                    Quote: SPACE
                    Judging by your epaulettes and ban, you really love people

                    Stupid.
                    Quote: SPACE
                    You know, dear moralizing you, our Herurg,

                    Moral instruction? may be. I can’t calmly pass by rudeness and everyday life. Surgeon? No.
                    Quote: SPACE
                    it’s not interesting for me to even talk to you, let alone arrange a night, it doesn’t bring anything, neither knowledge, nor money,

                    Why then write, dear?
                    Quote: SPACE
                    contrary to all the necessary grains in the brains of whom I wanted I sowed.

                    That's for sure. zas..l brains of the people.
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 11: 29
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            Quote: SPACE
            Or go and become the high-tech world leader, which is weak?

            Who will let that go there? Wherever there is technology, Russia is not allowed. SAAB, Volvo, Opel, to enumerate further, where did we turn from the gate? And pride, you see, does not tell "Our" government to follow the Chinese way.
            1. 31231
              31231 15 October 2013 15: 37
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              And pride, you see, does not tell "Our" government to follow the Chinese way.]

              The pride of the government ?! And you yourself are ready for a penny how the Chinese work without a pension. I understand that it’s easy to blame someone for something, but you yourself understand what the Chinese way is ?! Can you dig and find out their budget part for social programs ?! How much does one country allocate budget money for one pie-eyed ?!
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 20: 28
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                Quote: 31231
                And you yourself are ready for a penny how the Chinese work without a pension. I understand that it’s easy to blame someone for something, but you yourself understand what the Chinese way is?

                Do you know what percentage of the mortgage in China? And how much is the bread there? It’s somehow not correct on the part of a literate person, but judging by the comments I consider you literate, to compare their penny and our rubles.
                PS Mortgages in China. as far as I know, 0,5 percent. In a year, of course.
                1. 31231
                  31231 15 October 2013 20: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Quote: 31231
                  And you yourself are ready for a penny how the Chinese work without a pension. I understand that it’s easy to blame someone for something, but you yourself understand what the Chinese way is?

                  Do you know what percentage of the mortgage in China? And how much is the bread there? It’s somehow not correct on the part of a literate person, but judging by the comments I consider you literate, to compare their penny and our rubles.
                  PS Mortgages in China. as far as I know, 0,5 percent. In a year, of course.


                  This is when this mortgage with a low interest rate became more important than the practically absent social network ?! Well, they give money in debt and that you do not have to pay for them ?! It is not necessary to pay for social benefits and pensions.
                  P.S. By the way, he was in the Korean autonomy of China. They didn’t like their life itself, but a hard-working and calm people.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 21: 59
                    0
                    Quote: 31231
                    P.S. By the way, he was in the Korean autonomy of China. They didn’t like their life itself, but a hard-working and calm people.

                    Do you really understand what you're talking about? Does the price-earnings ratio tell you anything? And what does a calm and hardworking people have to do with it? Initially, the question was about the Chinese path in technology. And you all transferred to retirement and social programs. And these are different criteria. Do not wag please.
                    1. Tverichanka
                      Tverichanka 15 October 2013 22: 40
                      +3
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Ro is the Chinese technology path.

                      What kind of technologies do the Chinese have? Did they do something concrete in this area, yes? Maybe I missed something? .... Or do you call technologies when you took someone else's, took it apart, made a clone and passed it off as your own? Well then , as it is basking, God forbid us from such technologies.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 16 October 2013 07: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: Tverichanka
                        Well then, as it warms up, God forbid us from such technologies.

                        Well, why are you defending? The whole world uses our technologies without demand, but is it shameful for us? Give your words to Uncle, and go to b .... di, do you think this is right? For a long time it is time to stop mannering. Read my previous komenty, understand what I mean.
                    2. 31231
                      31231 15 October 2013 22: 43
                      0
                      Initially, the question was about the Chinese path in technology.


                      Well tell that. How the Chinese learned to copy.
        2. piotr534
          piotr534 15 October 2013 16: 41
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          It is sad to realize that the Motherland survives mainly through the trade in minerals, in fact it is a raw material colony. And any fluctuation in the price of oil or gas directly affects the budget of the country and are archival topics.
          Yes, what kind of nonsense (raw material colony) is from the same series as the shale eldorado. The mining industry, oil, gas are advanced technologies, science, engineering and jobs. Your position is the narrow-minded view of a person who does not have the slightest ideas about what it says. The whole world envies Russia because of its territory and rich bowels. You tell the Saudis about the raw material colony, yes they will laugh in your face. And the price of any product that the country produces affects the country's budget, whether raw materials, cars, machines, wheat, potatoes or garlic with onions. hi
        3. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 15 October 2013 18: 11
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          Quote: S_mirnov
          It is sad to realize that the Motherland survives mainly through the trade in minerals, in fact it is a raw material colony. And any fluctuation in the price of oil or gas directly affects the budget of the country and are archival topics. sad

          Who has pushed so much nonsense into your head? Is that what you teach in Tel Aviv on the Judotrolls?
          My Motherland, Russia, survives mainly due to the labor of its people, and the income from trade is p. remain in western banks.
          Russia has never been anyone’s colony and never will be, it’s Europe’s colony of Russia, if you stop supplying energy there, the Euros will fall into nothingness.
          Russia's energy resources are not cheap; 30 years; oil and gas exploration and exploration in Siberia have been conducted; and 20 years, production and transport communications have been built.
          Only complete idiots believe that in Russia there are some freebie minerals.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 15 October 2013 19: 55
            +7
            I will add. Today it was announced that SIBUR has launched a couple of units that have closed HALF of propylene exports to our country. Propylene is made from propane, for a minute. Now there is a transparent bottle in which millions of tons of drinks and water are poured - half of our bottle is already ... This is our "technological lag", we are such a raw material appendage today ... Moreover, the installations were built at the group's own funds, took quite a bit and then from Vnesheconombank. Thus, by the spring, all exports will be closed.
            Our gas in our country is steadily turning into our highest-level plastics ... oh, someone is crying now, and all the tears are crocodile! I can’t restrain myself, I’m slamming half a hundred grams, I haven’t drunk strong years, but what a reason!
            1. Altona
              Altona 15 October 2013 21: 02
              +3
              By the way, for some reason I was sure that we were making polypropylene granules ourselves ... I don’t know what this confidence was based on, or I thought that everything was in order with primary petrochemistry since the times of the USSR? But no, it turns out to be mistaken ... And this semi-finished product is really universal ... These are packages, and lids with bottles, and pipes for household needs, and other products ... The source code has been melted and forced through dies ...
            2. Pesnyadv
              Pesnyadv 16 October 2013 05: 36
              0
              Add.
              Putin spoke and stated that they were starting to build SIX of these plants across the entire latitude.
              And they proceed to the construction of their plants for the complete processing of gas and oil. It was hard to hear and missed the details.

              So kie dogs and their sixes bark, and the Russian caravan goes its own way !!!
          2. Ziksura
            Ziksura 15 October 2013 20: 56
            +1
            Quote: Corsair5912
            Russia's energy resources are not cheap; 30 years; oil and gas exploration and exploration in Siberia have been conducted; and 20 years, production and transport communications have been built.
            Only complete idiots believe that in Russia there are some freebie minerals.

            And I’ll add that our people defended the territory of mineral deposits in the bloodiest wars.
            Let me remind you on a military review.
          3. Tverichanka
            Tverichanka 15 October 2013 22: 44
            +1
            Quote: Corsair5912
            , this is Europe is a colony of Russia,

            Truly so! ..... Today they launched a new plant in Tobolsk! It's great, isn't it?
        4. orek
          orek 15 October 2013 21: 03
          +1
          And what do you think the Arab monarchies also grieve about the "raw material colony" ?? Just don't say that Russia has a different path. While she (not always successfully) is trying to recover from the breakup of the 90s - she is a colony.
          Russia must force the world to buy any energy resources from it FOR RUBLES. And on its territory and trading floor. To deprive the British Empire and the "dollar bill" of the meaning of printing paper. In the meantime, unfortunately: The largest exchanges on which contracts for the supply of oil are concluded are London, New York and Singapore.
          But for this - only the most powerful army of its own, ideology, a gradual change of priorities within the country. In the meantime, alas.! But history will put everything in its place. Many conquerors tried to dictate RUSAM, as a result they got hands on! It is profitable to be friends with Russia; it is futile to fight. History has already proven this.
        5. bif
          bif 16 October 2013 02: 45
          +1
          Quote: S_mirnov
          Homeland survives mainly through trade in minerals, in fact it is a raw material colony

          1. not a colony, but a raw materials economy. 2. especially for such "mourners" there is an excellent article "Tell me a country that would not like to have such a" resource curse "as Russia has." "... Moreover, we are the only large modern energy independent power in the world, this is our indisputable advantage ..." http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/commentaries/view/84483/
          Quote: S_mirnov
          any fluctuation in the price of oil or gas directly affects the country's budget and are crucial
          That is why the country's foreign policy activity consists in confronting those who like to "fluctuate prices", backed up by military potential, now the Russian Federation can itself determine / influence / regulate the cost of energy resources and the pricing policy.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 18 October 2013 23: 34
            0
            Quote: bif
            that is why the country's foreign policy activity consists in confronting those who like to "fluctuate prices", supported by military potential,

            Performance of circus clowns, appreciated! trained dogs barked to the beat! The hint understood, touched a sore subject !!!
      2. zvereok
        zvereok 15 October 2013 23: 16
        0
        oil shale is quite capable of generating good profits, but only to companies that produce equipment for its extraction. Those. USA, that’s the whole point.
      3. bif
        bif 16 October 2013 02: 29
        +1
        Quote: Very old
        Another fat duck.

        “Revolution” by political and advertising project
        Everything can be explained in simple language.
        Starting to inflate this PR-company under Bush-ml, the USA pursued several goals.
        1. The most important - "... against Gazprom. For example, here is the opinion of President Obama's advisor Joseph Aldy on the role of shale gas in US policy. Speaking at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS - Center for Strategic and International Studies), in particular, he said: "Shale gas provides an opportunity to crush cartels and will allow many countries to produce gas." Under this "opportunity" all sorts of Poland and others. saw the possibility of knocking out a decrease in the cost of Russian gas.
        2. Cheap shale gas for the US was temporary stimulator of industry and economics.
        But like any action or commercial, it costs money, sometimes considerable. And now what.
        "Extraction of shale gas remains unprofitable and still subsidized... Thousands of people took out a bank loan to buy or lease land plots, to acquire technology, equipment ... For most of those who believed in the oil shale dream, this turned out to be ruin. Against their background, there were 10-12 medium-sized independent companies that stayed afloat. The most famous of these is Chesapeake Energy, which pioneered the acquisition of shale gas drilling sites and is now heavily indebted at fourteen billion in the red ... "
        "... However, the biggest blow to the idea of ​​Poland's self-sufficiency in gas was the actions of ExxonMobil, which sold its assets immediately after drilling forecasts for shale gas in Poland were not confirmed. To sweeten the pill, it was said that the costs of gas production is extremely high and the cost of gas will be about $ 300 per 1000 cubic meters.m. In the USA, this figure is approximately the same, but here on every 1000 cubes there is a state subsidy of $ 200... Now it is clear why the price is $ 100? .. "That is, the states covered the losses of companies that deliberately unprofitable production of shale gas in the United States, just to screw up Gazprom and momentarily stimulate their industry ... But now there is no money. By the way, an interesting fact - what from Norway no one requires lower gas prices
        http://contrpost.com/ru/component/content/article/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/1465-20
        13-05-15-23-05-02?highlight=WyJcdTA0NDFcdTA0M2JcdTA0MzBcdTA0M2RcdTA0NDZcdTA0MzVc
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        http://www.obzor.lt/news/n8955.html
        1. Pesnyadv
          Pesnyadv 16 October 2013 05: 47
          0
          Also add that the US government does not provide subsidies for real money, but for the wrappers that are not provided with anything.

          Congress has long sought an audit by the US Federal Reserve.
          Received a report and .... ofuel.
          Only from 2007 to 2010, the Fed printed and distributed 17 trillion dollars about which the GOVERNMENT did not know. They didn’t indicate to whom they had distributed it.

          That is, no one really knows how many dollars are printed.
          Only the official figure of 16 trillion is known.
    3. timurpl
      timurpl 15 October 2013 10: 16
      +1
      Sergey Gavrilovich Serdyukov headed the Lentransgaz company ...
      - With such a surname in the coming years it is better not to lead anything.
      1. 31231
        31231 15 October 2013 15: 40
        0
        - With such a surname in the coming years it is better not to lead anything.

        And what do you judge people by surname ?! Yes, "insanity grew stronger."
      2. bogumil
        bogumil 15 October 2013 19: 10
        +2
        The surname is so-so, it’s easy to hear))
        But the fact that he is from St. Petersburg, there is something to reflect on.
        1. 31231
          31231 15 October 2013 20: 53
          +1
          Quote: bogumil
          The surname is so-so, it’s easy to hear))
          But the fact that he is from St. Petersburg, there is something to reflect on.


          Is it somehow shameful to be Petersburg?
          How is St. Petersburg from Pskov or Tver different?
      3. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 15 October 2013 20: 19
        +1
        Quote: timurpl
        Sergey Gavrilovich Serdyukov headed the Lentransgaz company ...
        - With such a surname in the coming years it is better not to lead anything.

        In the 70 years, I was familiar with the guy 1939 year of birth, whose name was written in the passport - Hitler. So what was he supposed to hang himself with? If parents in honor of the non-aggression pact so named.
        He introduced himself to Grisha, and he was too lazy to change his passport and name.
    4. Altona
      Altona 15 October 2013 14: 19
      +8
      So I work as an engineer, I tried other professions ... Worker, hands are busy, head is free ... Manager is language busy, head and hands are free ... But as an engineer, everything works in full, and head, and hands, and language. .. But the current employer is an ordinary speculator, buy-sell, his idea is not interested ...
    5. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 15 October 2013 18: 30
      +6
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      In Russia, engineers are working for the idea ... Probably even among the soldiers you will not find as many patriots as in some kind of research institute and NIPI. I feel that my karma will suffer from a flurry of minuses, but God be with him. When carrying out the promotion of the security forces of the Russian Federation, one should not forget that the security officer without an engineer is simply Chingachguk with a bow ... And where is oil and gas? Yes, despite the fact that only we can have a poor oilman ...

      We can easily have a beggar successful talented oilman, geologist, designer, metallurgist, etc.
      The liberals 25 years ago blatantly lied that it was worth giving out public property to thieves and fraudsters (an honest person cannot get through to the division), so the parasites will immediately have a "sense of master."
      They say that under capitalism there will be no free housing, education and medicine, but salaries will be, as in America.
      Allegedly, the grabbers Abramovich, Prokhorov, Deripaska, Potanin and others will begin to care about the country's benefits and will pay engineers and workers (which actually hasn't happened since Khrushchev’s coming, which broke Stalin’s wage system).
      Allegedly, the capitalist will pay for high qualifications, productivity and efficiency a lot, but for low-quality unskilled labor a little.
      But no similar vegetable happened, all social benefits were taken away from us, and salaries, pensions, scholarships, in comparison with the USSR, decreased significantly.
    6. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 15 October 2013 21: 01
      +2
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      only we can have a poor oilman ...

      Salary in pozhalsta studio
    7. marsel1524
      marsel1524 16 October 2013 07: 47
      0
      The idea is not mine, but it seems to be in the topic: "We live in the only country in the world that is able to fully support ourselves, but at the same time we constantly depend on someone. And most importantly ... we are always told about how we should effectively integrate into the world economy, and what heavenly booths await us there! They constantly criticize our power, which may not be as effective as it could, but raises the country, makes it independent from external shocks. And at the same time, we, in fact, the people, constantly shout that Everything is not enough for us! ... That they steal from us ... That everywhere is better than here! ... And the most important thing - let's like everyone else !!!! They won't lie to us from behind the hill!
      Maybe we are really the problem of Russia? "
  2. SAG
    SAG 15 October 2013 06: 45
    19
    The United States itself can provide shale gas if not to lie, like 8 years only, while receiving a bunch of related problems. In a number of European countries, shale gas production is already banned, including in the UK, and this already says a lot!
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 15 October 2013 07: 38
      12
      Quote: SAG
      while receiving a bunch of related problems.
      There was a documentary film about this gas and how it is extracted, so near the nearby houses, along with tap water, slan gas comes in and the journalist directly set it on fire)))
      1. SAG
        SAG 15 October 2013 13: 03
        0
        was-was, also looked at him
        here is a link to this Vesti report in VK
        http://vk.com/video?q=%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9%20%
        D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B7§ion=search&z=video53662687_164882319
        1. mikkado31
          mikkado31 15 October 2013 21: 10
          -6
          Not everything that is shown can be trusted. However, let it reassure you. A foolish enemy is a best friend.
          1. Tverichanka
            Tverichanka 15 October 2013 22: 55
            +2
            Quote: mikkado31
            Comrade Stupid Enemy -

            Well, who’s stupid here is we’ll see. Years that way in 5-7. Together and laugh .....
            1. mikkado31
              mikkado31 16 October 2013 02: 38
              -3
              Yes, I have already heard this 20 times since 2001. It all looks like shamanic spells and dances with a tambourine. And the collapse of the dollar here for 10 years is predicted every year, and the collapse of the United States .... Oblom's ... Carefully chew food for the brain;)
    2. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 15 October 2013 12: 21
      +2
      Quote: SAG
      including in the UK, and that already says a lot!

      Well, so they can’t compare the islet with p-i-n-d-o-s-o-v-s-k-i-m, it’s not enough to build a desert. recourse
    3. Algor73
      Algor73 15 October 2013 13: 03
      -6
      If it really squeezes, it will be allowed. Everything is relative. Why would they translate their ecology? And Russia does not get a bunch of problems on those lands where oil and gas production comes from? All Siberia was dirtied. By making loud statements that they are afraid of the "shale revolution", officials first of all calm themselves down. The reserves from the bowels are not so large, sooner or later you will still have to switch to something new. Still, shale gas production is alarming. She may not be so harmful, but the new is always scary.
      1. 31231
        31231 15 October 2013 15: 46
        +7
        But Russia does not get a bunch of problems on the lands where oil and gas are coming from? The whole of Siberia was dirtied.

        Don’t tell me where in Siberia and at what facility they’ve got it ?! I’ll ask you for specifics: do you not know the composition of the mixture pumped for shale gas production?
    4. 31231
      31231 15 October 2013 15: 43
      +5
      The United States itself can provide shale gas, if you do not lie, like only 8 years,

      You did not see the structure of gas production and consumption in the USA ?! So, if memory serves me right, they consume only about 6% of shale gas. What kind of support for themselves can they be talking about? So, you are not quite right to put it.
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 15 October 2013 19: 44
        +3
        Quote: 31231
        Have you seen the pattern of gas production and consumption in the USA?

        The same thing happens with gas in the USA as in the whole world, but in a much more severe form. All traditional gas fields have long been explored and developed, production on the few remaining wells inevitably falls, purchases from the outside are becoming more expensive, and the need for gas has not gone away.
        Therefore, the need forced the Americans to resort to the extraction of gas on their own land from shale. Back in 2004, shale gas production in the United States and most European countries was illegal. But in 2005, US Vice President Dick Cheney pushed an energy bill into Congress. The US oil and gas industry has been excluded from the Drinking Water Safety Act, the Air Protection Act, and dozens of other environmental laws. Dick Cheney himself, part-time, is the former owner of Halliburton Inc, a company that produces equipment and chemicals for drilling wells. The 2005 Act of the year was called the “Halliburton Loophole,” and Halliburton mining technology became widely used in the 34 states.
        1. 31231
          31231 15 October 2013 20: 58
          +1
          By the way, I found a picture. Judging by it, only plans for shale gas. But I feel the economy and the environment will fundamentally correct these plans.
    5. mikkado31
      mikkado31 15 October 2013 21: 08
      -4
      What the hell? Shale gas is just enough for many centuries. Before you write at least the material itself, you should study.
      1. 31231
        31231 15 October 2013 22: 49
        +2
        Well, tell me something about Chisapik Energy ?! Icon of the slate gas revolution.
      2. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 15 October 2013 22: 58
        +3
        Quote: mikkado31
        ? Shale gas is just enough for many centuries.

        Maybe enough, who argues ... The land would be clean and there would be enough water for life, that's where the dog rummaged ...
        1. mikkado31
          mikkado31 16 October 2013 02: 41
          -3
          Well, you have land in Russia in bulk. Who is mother so boring if not you?
  3. TRex
    TRex 15 October 2013 06: 51
    27
    Well, sho? "Here's to you, grandmother - and St. George's Day!" I read it carefully from start to finish. Professionally, reasoned, convincing. It would be nice for our friends from Ukraine to analyze this information and pass it on to Azarov, who, together with Yanukovych, went with a handful of the last soldo to the "field of fools".
    "If you have a pipe, there will be a whistle."
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 15 October 2013 09: 15
      11
      Will not help. Each Indian must step on the rake himself. And well, if enough once.
      1. morpex
        morpex 15 October 2013 12: 54
        -1
        Quote: v.lyamkin
        Will not help. Each Indian must step on the rake himself. And well, if enough once.

        Rummage about it ... You have been developing shale in Russia for a long time. And if my memory serves me, Russian technology is cooler than American technology. Alekperov wrote about this more than once. They do their job and do not scream about it all over the world. And by the way Vagit started a simple hard worker on the rig. And he said that there is nothing wrong with the workings of the shales, you can trust. And who is this Serdyukov? Could it be that brother?
        1. 31231
          31231 15 October 2013 15: 48
          +4
          You have been developing shales in Russia for a long time.


          Link please?! And it’s just interesting where Lukoil is weird.
          He looked at Lukoil’s website and found nothing. You do not confuse hydraulic fracturing during conventional production with hydraulic fracturing at a shale gas plant with subsequent injection of chemistry ?!
          1. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 15 October 2013 19: 24
            +3
            Quote: 31231
            Link please?! And it’s just interesting where Lukoil is weird. He looked at Lukoil’s website and found nothing. You do not confuse hydraulic fracturing during conventional production with hydraulic fracturing at a shale gas plant with subsequent injection of chemistry ?!

            In Russia, oil shale has been mined since the 19 century, open pit mining, and then either burned in the furnaces of boiler houses or processed at chemical plants to produce gas and shale tar. According to Lenin’s GOELRO plan, power plants were designed and built, including on oil shale.
            Oil shale reserves in Russia are not less than in the USA, but they are the reserve of the future, now they are not even explored in Siberia.
            1. 31231
              31231 15 October 2013 21: 03
              +2
              How much I work in the mining industry, I have never encountered mining of oil shale. Although in the work I saw them in small volumes. Can I link to an existing company?
              By the way, those that I saw during the autopsy began to burn from the access of oxygen.
          2. morpex
            morpex 15 October 2013 19: 50
            0
            Quote: 31231
            You do not confuse hydraulic fracturing during conventional production with hydraulic fracturing at a shale gas plant with subsequent injection of chemistry ?!

            Have you read the commentary? For especially "gifted" I repeat - the technology is completely different! I do not own the link. I just read an interview with Vagit Alekperov, where he wrote that shale gas production is not as scary as it is presented to us ..
            In general, if you think about it, all mining is harmful to the environment. An accident on a drilling platform in the Gulf of Mexico, Chernobyl, the constant death of people in mines, an explosion on a gas pipeline in your Russia, and even the train passed by spite nearby .. What is more terrible - shale gas or the above ...
            1. 31231
              31231 15 October 2013 21: 15
              +2
              Quote: morpex
              An accident on a drilling platform in the Gulf of Mexico, Chernobyl, the constant death of people in mines, an explosion on a gas pipeline in your country, and even a train passed in spite of it nearby .. To continue to list? .


              I do not misunderstand something for sure ?! We are talking about comparing the harm from the extraction of shale gas and conventional natural gas ?! Why did you mix up "people and horses" ?!
              What relation do Chernobyl and mines have to this comparison ?!
              Explosions in gas pipelines ?! But what if instead of natural gas in the gas pipeline the gas from the shales will not break the gas pipeline? This is generally a matter of TB, not the harmfulness of technology. In our Urals, gas pipelines often clap. While nature in the district seems to be intact.

              Speaking of the harmfulness, google the composition of the injected chemistry mixture during the extraction of shale gas. You might be wiser. Although it may be for you hydrochloric and nitric acid and not pesticides. Then I have nothing to discuss with you.
            2. Tverichanka
              Tverichanka 15 October 2013 23: 04
              +4
              Quote: morpex
              , a gas pipeline explosion in Russia

              It’s terrible, yeah .... And what’s happening on Fukushima ... And how many electric shocks killed during use .... And also trams are crushing people .... And really, well, this is this civilization.
    2. AVV
      AVV 15 October 2013 11: 07
      +4
      Again, Ukraine wants to deceive itself, in fact only hard workers, ordinary people will suffer! In these areas with shale gas production, there will be no houses, neither Azarov, nor Yanukovych, nor any of the rulers of the state, or even the Rada !!! And this is an answer to all questions!!!
    3. Akim
      Akim 15 October 2013 11: 12
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: TRex
      I read carefully from start to finish. Professionally, reasonedly, convincingly.

      What do you think the official will say more? It’s like putting a conscript in front of a television camera and ask him to serve.
      1. TRex
        TRex 15 October 2013 11: 58
        10
        Akimushka! I myself have worked and am working in this area. I myself am not delighted with Gazprom because I gave it five years - and I know what's what: what kind of "parachutes", "kickbacks", etc. are there. Nevertheless, in such positions idiots and idiots are not kept there.
        Let's talk about this in a year or two. Your power will again change, some to prison, some to the feeding trough, new things will come into fashion ...
        1. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 15 October 2013 12: 29
          +1
          Quote: TRex
          Let's talk about this in a year or two. Your power will again change, some to prison, some to the feeding trough, new things will come into fashion ...

          Yes, Akimushka, along with that power, will scatter, because he speaks for the money of this power here on the site, so do not waste time on admonishing the "tanned".
          1. Akim
            Akim 15 October 2013 13: 11
            +2
            Quote: cherkas.oe
            Yes, the Akimushka will chew along with that power, because he’s speaking here for the money of this power on the site,

            Tell me, how can I earn money on this site in this way? And then I, I push my thoughts for free. Low efficiency is obtained.
      2. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 15 October 2013 13: 18
        +2
        Quote: Akim
        And what do you think the official even more likely

        So, officials are also different. Some of them grow out of Komsomol activists and, except for the language they can’t work. But there are officials who have left the production workers, and many even from simple workers, thanks to their intelligence and hard work, really know and love their job. (Unfortunately, there are very few of them, because the first ones try not to let these ones go higher, because they themselves look against their background jerks)
      3. Mhpv
        Mhpv 15 October 2013 14: 08
        +1
        And how is Akim served to you?
        1. Akim
          Akim 15 October 2013 14: 10
          +2
          Quote: mhpv
          And how is Akim served to you?

          Tomorrow I'm going to buy a new Lexus. In the old ashtray is already full.
          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv 15 October 2013 14: 33
            +2
            [img]http://im3-tub-ru.yandex.net/i?id=31151013-51-72&n=21[/img]
            Lucky beggar laughing
      4. 31231
        31231 15 October 2013 15: 56
        +2
        This "conscript" has worked in the oil and gas industry for several years. Then it is already extra urgent.
    4. Alekseev
      Alekseev 15 October 2013 14: 36
      +2
      Quote: TRex
      analyze this information and pass it on to Azarov, who, together with Yanukovych, went with a handful of the last soldo to the "field of fools".

      All of them and Yanukovych and Azarov, especially, know.
      But they serve a certain circle of people, and now they have to spawn: oh dear gas, oh we should rather shale. They think that they will get a discount from this. well, at least, as Julia did not threaten to switch to manure perdilnygas.
      A group of comrades, which are Yanukovych and Azarov, pro-Western orientation.
      And they have this orientation because they, like Hetman Yu.Khmelnitsky, at one time are afraid of being out of work when rapprochement with Russia. They are not needed not by the Ukrainian people, not by the Russian authorities. A parasite link, however. But the West will need this "pro-self" elite, allegedly knows how to control Ukraine and prevent "dangerous rapprochement with the East. (This is still a question in light of the fate of Mubarak and other friends).
    5. piotr534
      piotr534 15 October 2013 17: 43
      +1
      It would be nice for our friends from Ukraine to analyze this information and pass it on to Azarov, who, together with Yanukovych, went with a handful of the last soldo to the "field of fools".
      "If you have a pipe, there will be a whistle."
      What kind of analysis is there if they agree to sign the FTZ agreement with the EU without reading the agreement. They are either completely dumb or they have completely different goals, which is most likely.
  4. Lech from our city
    Lech from our city 15 October 2013 06: 51
    +8
    I have always said that shale gas production is extremely dangerous for the environment - in the USA they make a big mistake developing this direction.
    The consequences will come back after a while and will be very unpleasant for the local population.
    In general, I am struck by similar cynicism in the USA - the recent accident in the Gulf of Mexico with the global consequences of GOLFSTREAM and for the whole CLIMATE OF THE EARTH is also a disaster here.
    The infection that the Yankees drive into the ground during the extraction of shale gas, GREENPIS is silent again, as if it had gained water in its mouth.
    Further, such a predatory policy of the United States can generally lead to disaster in the field of ecology of the Earth.
    1. Sunjar
      Sunjar 15 October 2013 07: 20
      +8
      Lech from our city, I will assume that you have read the series of articles "Metastases of the Gulf of Mexico". By the way, I recommend this article for review. There are written about many global processes.

      Sergei Gavrilovich Serdyukov - well done, also agrees with him that in Russia there is a great shortage of specialist engineers. But still mark in accountants, lawyers, economists. Only taking into account the real state of affairs, there is no sense in them: they cannot predict the future with great certainty, nor improve the existing situation either.
      1. Lech from our city
        Lech from our city 15 October 2013 07: 47
        +4
        I haven’t read Sunjar RU yet, but I will definitely read it (the former geological technician himself).
        Therefore, knowing that violation of the BALANCE on one section of our planet inevitably leads to negative consequences for the climate of the Earth, I believe that shale gas production technologies are criminal for our planet.
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 15 October 2013 13: 37
      +1
      Quote: Lech from our city
      recent Gulf of Mexico accident with global Gulfstream effects

      It is believed that the recent "accident" in the Gulf of Mexico was an attempt to bring the Gulf Stream back)).
  5. smel
    smel 15 October 2013 06: 56
    +5
    Article is good. PLUS. The professional is available and clearly told everything about this issue. Summed up only the name of the interviewee. After our ex-MO, the name Serdyukov will only cause negative emotions in people for a long time
    1. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 15 October 2013 07: 59
      +1
      Yeah, I also tensed on the first sentence (as I read my last name).
    2. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 15 October 2013 09: 16
      +3
      And yet, the conclusion: not all Serdyukovs are the same.
      1. Far East
        Far East 15 October 2013 12: 43
        +1
        Quote: v.lyamkin
        And yet, the conclusion: not all Serdyukovs are the same.

        respected! everything is like that! and where are the promises of the great PU sho every citizen of the Russian Federation will receive deductibles from the extracted gas, oil! while such Serdyukovs and hedgehogs with him will be at the trough RUSSIAN citizen will receive nothing. and if they still lose Syria, then others will lay the gas pipe! they need to fill their pockets with money, and the people grimace so-so! such a policy! bureaucrats. hi
        1. v.lyamkin
          v.lyamkin 15 October 2013 13: 23
          +1
          I probably agree.
        2. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka 15 October 2013 23: 14
          +3
          Quote: Far East
          they need to fill their pockets with money

          That's enough about these pockets that everyone stuffs. Well, straight, ches. Word. What topic do not open, the same thing. For a long time, everything is clear without such clarifications. Let's stop now, but .... And the article is interesting and a lot of sound analytics, opinions of knowledgeable people. And you again, twenty-five .....
          1. Far East
            Far East 16 October 2013 11: 26
            0
            Quote: Tverichanka
            That's enough about these pockets that everyone stuffs. Well, straight, ches. Word. What topic do not open, the same thing. For a long time, everything is clear without such clarifications. Let's stop now, but .... And the article is interesting and a lot of sound analytics, opinions of knowledgeable people. And you again, twenty-five .....

            Dear Nina! this site as I understand it about weapons! but not about politics! let them not publish. it got everyone! hi
  6. major071
    major071 15 October 2013 06: 58
    +6
    Lech from our city
    I have always said that shale gas production is extremely dangerous for the environment - in the USA they make a big mistake developing this direction.

    The most important thing is to fill your pocket, and then let the descendants understand. fool
  7. Alikovo
    Alikovo 15 October 2013 07: 32
    +2
    the extraction of these shale gas and oil resources is too costly.
    1. Akim
      Akim 15 October 2013 11: 15
      -1
      If there is an alternative, then YES.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 15 October 2013 14: 22
        +1
        Here is an alternative in the Donbass:

        Representatives of the European Union in only one Anthracite district of the Luhansk region found 3 thousands of kopans - places of illegal coal mining. This was announced at a briefing by the head of the State Environmental Protection Administration in the Luhansk region, Alexander Arapov. “Recently, representatives of the European Union came to us who are working on a project for the Integrated Use of the Lands of the Eurasian Steppes. And they, exploring the Anthracite region, discovered 3 thousand kopans. And they didn’t just count it, but used images from space, ”Arapov said. According to him, this fact seriously harms the image of Donbass in Europe.
        1. avg
          avg 15 October 2013 18: 17
          +2
          “Recently, representatives of the European Union came to us who are working on a project for the Integrated Use of the Lands of the Eurasian Steppes.

          Bah, yaki bitches!
          It is urgent to create an office for the rational use of the Geyropei lands, declare the geyrope a reserve and elevate everyone to the Sahara.
  8. waisson
    waisson 15 October 2013 07: 51
    +2
    I would add "a flag in my hands and a rocker with empty buckets in the backside" they want to kick our nerves
  9. lotar
    lotar 15 October 2013 08: 01
    +2
    All this hysteria with shale gas and oil is well thought out and implemented. Because Gazprom receives little, it’s a lie, there are less than 100 thousand. Probably only the cleaners get it and it’s not a fact. Gazprom, like Rosneft, has a clan structure , and nobody will offend their relatives.
  10. zevs379
    zevs379 15 October 2013 08: 05
    +3
    Nothing new - everything is done on the creation of "PUBLIC OPINION".
    Remember the star wars or test tube with anthrax in the UN. Nahn-yosh is untouched. If the power of a lohuiuda like Gorbachev would begin to panic and lower prices. But now, thank God, we have a really reasonable president. I noticed that as soon as our actions and decisions are based on the truth, the PINs lose. So what are we waiting for the next duck - shale gas is not a hole, they will come up with some sort of gas from sea water hi
  11. Strashila
    Strashila 15 October 2013 08: 08
    +2
    What they can do in the West ... it's PR companies. The main task of shales for America ... is energy security, a strategic reserve for any global case ... an argument for negotiations with Arabs, well, poke an old Europe in the nose .. You’re kind of stupid. And the cost, when the state’s security is on the map ... it's nothing.
  12. Belogor
    Belogor 15 October 2013 08: 17
    +1
    "No matter how much you say the word halva, but your mouth will not become sweeter" Very suitable for this topic.
  13. Egoza
    Egoza 15 October 2013 08: 21
    +4
    What is most striking is the cynicism of our leadership. After all, Mr. Azarov is a geologist by education, and even studied in Moscow, and not in some modern private "university". Doesn't he know all the disadvantages and dangers of shale gas production? No! Shouting about the "saving project", despite the protests of residents! Our land will be ditched for the sake of the West! am
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 15 October 2013 08: 25
      +6
      Quote: Egoza
      They will completely ruin our land to please the West!


      Collect all Azarov, Medvedev, Serdyukov and our oligarchs and dump somewhere in the sea.
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 15 October 2013 13: 23
        +2
        Quote: Apollon
        oligarchs and dump somewhere in the sea.

        Oh, you don’t worry about the ecology, it’s hard for her. Moreover, "Greenbucks", ie "Greenpeace" will be indignant, again some kind of hack will suit laughing
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 15 October 2013 13: 35
        +2
        Quote: Apollon
        Collect all Azarov, Medvedev, Serdyukov and our oligarchs and dump somewhere in the sea.

        So yes, of course ... But since they themselves do not drown for a well-known reason, it is advisable to drop them with 2 pounds attached to the legs. For sure ... repeat
  14. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 15 October 2013 08: 22
    +4
    In 2007, the sum of operating expenses and depreciation of Chesapeake Energy (a pioneer and active shale gas promoter) increased to $ 160 per 1000 m3. Given that the calorific value of shale methane is more than 2 times lower than usual, the cost of SG is more than $ 320 at the place of production.(Shale gas in detail- Svargaman. Published by Svargaman on Jan 26, 2012)


    So it seems to me that the repeated repetition of fairy tales about the colossal reserves of shale gas throughout the world was a planned propaganda campaign with unselfish goals. The same as the previously sung ozone hole, bird and swine flu, and the greenhouse effect that has not yet left the agenda. Let's see who won from this hype.(Shale gas in detail- Svargaman. Published by Svargaman on Jan 26, 2012)


    At present, the environmental damage to the Pennsylvania shale basin region is an environmental disaster. It is the environmental problem, along with the use of large amounts of water for fracturing, that is the most acute for the development of shale production in densely populated areas(Shale gas, myths and prospects of world production)

    A large shale gas field in North Dakota also awaits the future of yet another desert, as Post-production remediation is not cost-effective (making shale gas more expensive than usual) and production companies simply drop wells. In France, the development of shale gas production is prohibited due to environmental damage (hydraulic fracturing technology strongly contaminates the soil with chemistry)
  15. SPACE
    SPACE 15 October 2013 08: 24
    +7
    This is a very interesting and instructive story - where did the current gas prices come from. The story of how our European colleagues outwitted themselves.

    This is key, when in the West they believed that oil was the key energy carrier in the world and which they could control, then, by concluding a gas pricing agreement, tied to the price of oil, they put Russia with their gigantic gas volume under control. Putin, on the other hand, slowly made gas a key energy source, at least for Europe, and with reference to the price of oil, he had stable prices and partially out of control the Russian economy. The West, realizing this, wants to bring gas pricing back under the influence of the price of oil ... And the temporary shale virtual bubble has one purpose, to separate the price of oil and gas and gain influence over Russia's energy complex after the war in Syria over the Qatari pipeline with already real gas.
    Another interesting thing is that the agreement with Russia on pegging the price of gas to the price of oil, which was itself squeezed by the West even under Ebeni, the West, the SMART WEST raped itself! And this proves that, they have neither a world government, nor even any far-reaching plans, their actions are a purely banal reaction to the coming events.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 15 October 2013 13: 50
      +2
      Quote: SPACE
      And this proves that they have neither a world government, nor even any far-reaching plans.

      This proves that by now, according to their plans, Russia should not have been able to influence gas pricing)). Nothing is said about world governments in this evidence)).
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 15 October 2013 14: 27
        +2
        Quote: ctepx
        Nothing is said about world governments in this evidence)).

        Literally, of course not, but what if you insert it deeper? Although it makes no difference whether there is a stupid and blind world government or its sighted absence. The thing is different, Russia and Putin. IEGO KOMANDA is one of the GLOBAL FORCES which partially determines the way of life and will determine tomorrow's development of the world.
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 15 October 2013 15: 17
          0
          Quote: SPACE
          Russia and Putin

          Wow! One of the world governments)). With the Russian imperial darling)).
          1. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 15 October 2013 19: 27
            +4
            Quote: ctepx
            Quote: SPACE
            Russia and Putin

            Wow! One of the world governments)). With the Russian imperial darling)).

            It’s good that it’s not with a Jewish small town darling.
            Russia - imperial, USA and Izrailu - small-town, it’s time to put everything in its place, and even not far from trouble.
          2. Tverichanka
            Tverichanka 15 October 2013 23: 22
            +2
            Quote: ctepx
            With the Russian imperial darling))

            But I always thought that SPIRIT happens to be imperial! And it’s like a darling znachitstsa ....... Cute ....
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 16 October 2013 22: 06
              0
              Quote: Tverichanka
              And I thought all the time that imperial is SPIRIT!

              Before the SPIRIT we still need to grow))
  16. volvo
    volvo 15 October 2013 08: 24
    +3
    the collapse of the education of technicians and engineers began when a hunchback remembered his words - the country needs humanitarians ... and they also calculated the cost of money for the training of one engineer is equal to the cost of training 10 humanities, that is, the same lawyers and economists))))))) ))))))
  17. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 15 October 2013 08: 34
    0
    It is high time not to increase, but to reduce the production of non-renewable resources. For candy wrappers. Our next generations will come in handy. Maybe they will treat their land more prudently?
    Well, a scary story about shale gas. If you believe the same environmentalists, after shale gas production, the desert remains. I do not think that in the USA they will seriously want to make deserts on their territory. On a stranger, yes. You are welcome.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 15 October 2013 19: 31
      +2
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      I do not think that in the USA they will seriously want to make deserts on their territory. On a stranger, yes. You are welcome.

      What would they suddenly not want? To this day they are making their own desert and suddenly they don’t want to?
      Wiser or what?
    2. 31231
      31231 15 October 2013 21: 25
      0
      Well, a scary story about shale gas. If you believe the same environmentalists, after shale gas production, the desert remains. I do not think that in the USA they will seriously want to make deserts on their territory. On a stranger, yes. You are welcome.


      The same thing happens with gas in the USA as in the whole world, but in a much more severe form. All traditional gas fields have long been explored and developed, production on the few remaining wells inevitably falls, purchases from the outside are becoming more expensive, and the need for gas has not gone away.
      Therefore, the need forced the Americans to resort to the extraction of gas on their own land from shale. Back in 2004, shale gas production in the United States and most European countries was illegal. But in 2005, US Vice President Dick Cheney pushed an energy bill into Congress. The US oil and gas industry has been excluded from the Drinking Water Safety Act, the Air Protection Act, and dozens of other environmental laws. Dick Cheney himself, part-time, is the former owner of Halliburton Inc, a company that produces equipment and chemicals for drilling wells. The 2005 law was called the “Halliburton Loophole,” and Halliburton’s mining technology has become widely used in 34 states.

      To you for an educational program on a subject.
  18. Earnest
    Earnest 15 October 2013 08: 48
    +8
    Married, has two daughters - the remaining children (four sons and a daughter) are already adults.

    A little offtopic - just for this phrase there are a lot of pluses, as I am raising four people I write). And the author "+" for the correct speech structure, tired of reading in biographies "has two sons"))
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 15 October 2013 08: 59
      +3
      Yes, a good man worked, I’m far from him, also only four. And considering that adults were already born children, when he had not yet reached financial prosperity, I have full respect for him from me.
  19. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 15 October 2013 09: 07
    +4
    Many from the red sector are screaming that GAZPROM is enriched by public property. But it’s real to speak with employees of the NATIONAL DOMESTICness weakly. And the reality is that the workers of this property get on hand a little more than the average for the COUNTRY and some bonus if they deserve it. And for those who want to quickly earn millions, please do not fuss. In reality, it turns out only specialists who do not have housing, but these are periodic promotions. And good specialists who know their worth
    they are a bit moody, and if they also have housing, then they are independent.
    1. avg
      avg 15 October 2013 18: 31
      0
      Many from the red sector are screaming that GAZPROM is enriched by public property. But it’s real to speak with employees of the NATIONAL DOMESTICness weakly.
      And no one talks about ordinary employees. But the top managers to shake along with their subsidiaries, sucked up enterprises, and from there - such contracts will sprinkle new hair from the bald head at the prosecutor’s yes
  20. de bouillon
    de bouillon 15 October 2013 09: 21
    -5
    in my opinion the Kremlin no longer knows what to say

    Over the past 5 years, gas production in the United States increased by 20%, and in Russia - decreased by 2%. Crude oil production in the USA grew by 5% over 30 years, in Russia - only by 5%.

    but the most dangerous thing for Russia is that the USA in the port of Klaipeda in Lithuania in a year will open the largest gas terminal, for the unloading and processing of liquefied shale gas that will serve the entire Baltic States. A similar terminal will also be built in Ukraine, in Odessa.
    1. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 15 October 2013 10: 15
      +4
      Quote: de Bouillon
      Over the past 5 years, gas production in the United States grew by 20%

      There is a fable about this:
      - How many times a night with your wife, well ... it's
      - Odyn
      - I'm 5
      After 3 years, the conversation repeats:
      - Lope?
      - Odyn
      - And I'm three
      after 5 years:
      - lope?
      - alone
      - and I am alone
      after 10 years:
      - lope?
      - alone
      - and I have long ... ehhh not a single
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 15 October 2013 10: 26
      +3
      Quote: de Bouillon
      Over the past 5 years, gas production in the United States increased by 20%, and in Russia - decreased by 2%. Crude oil production in the USA grew by 5% over 30 years, in Russia - only by 5%.


      and what is the threat? in any situation, the United States will continue to be the largest importer of oil for a long time, do not forget about the eastern neighbor, whose appetite is growing every year, by the way, Russia has become Europe’s largest automobile market, this is domestic consumption, and here’s another moment, we sell resources - a hydrocarbon needle, not sell - again, everything is gone, what in the end will you be fine?
    3. Draz
      Draz 15 October 2013 12: 51
      +1
      And if not in percentage? It is not enough to pump out gas and oil, it must be delivered, and delivery via the Atlantic by ships is more expensive and longer than through pipes. Your allegations are unfounded.
    4. CTEPX
      CTEPX 15 October 2013 13: 59
      +5
      Quote: de Bouillon
      terminal for unloading and processing of liquefied shale gas

      In order to "liquefy" shale gas, it must be "freed" not only from carbon dioxide and nitrogen with oxygen, but also from its main "energy" component - methane)). I do not think that I will ever see such fools on an industrial scale)) ...
    5. Botanologist
      Botanologist 15 October 2013 15: 17
      +3
      Quote: de Bouillon
      but the most dangerous thing for Russia is that the United States opens the largest gas terminal in the port of Klaipeda in Lithuania a year later, for the unloading and processing of liquefied shale gas that will serve the entire Baltic. A similar terminal will also be built in Ukraine, in Odessa.


      Well, who forbids them to build terminals wassat . Shale will end - they will transport liquefied from Sakhalin. Or from Qatar. Just think twice as much, national conceit will rise. Gas powers, you know fool
    6. 31231
      31231 15 October 2013 21: 29
      +2
      but the most dangerous thing for Russia is that the United States opens the largest gas terminal in the port of Klaipeda in Lithuania a year later, for the unloading and processing of liquefied shale gas that will serve the entire Baltic.


      Just to receive shale gas ?!
      Oh wei! Qatar and our gas carriers in Yamal will have to write "SHALE GAS !!!!!!".
      1. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 15 October 2013 23: 33
        +3
        Quote: 31231
        on gas carriers write "SHALE GAS !!!!!!".

        Let's change the second letter in the name to "P". Do you mind?
        1. 31231
          31231 16 October 2013 00: 00
          +2
          Quote: Tverichanka
          Let's change the second letter in the name to "P". Do you mind?

          For you, at least "B" are ready to replace. I am glad that many women in our country are more positive than some moaning men.
    7. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 15 October 2013 23: 30
      +2
      Quote: de Bouillon
      . A similar terminal will be built

      That's when they will build and load capacities in full and make a profit and steady demand in world markets, and will also be able to satisfy this demand for decades, and then we will clap our hands and rejoice - what kind of d.s. .i .... In the meantime, the chicken in the nest .... It's too early to blow into fanfare. No?
    8. chehywed
      chehywed 16 October 2013 00: 23
      +1
      Quote: de Bouillon
      but the most dangerous thing for Russia is that the United States opens the largest gas terminal in the port of Klaipeda in Lithuania in a year, for unloading and processing of liquefied shale gas which will serve the entire Baltic. Still similar terminal will be built in Ukraine, in Odessa

      That is, you think that shale gas production in Ukraine can be put an end to? Do not tell Yanukovych ... he was hoping for gas independence.
      And what does "largest gas terminal". Will it be the largest in Klaipeda, Latvia, Europe or the world?
  21. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 15 October 2013 09: 26
    +1
    One of the leaders of the Nord Stream Sergey Serdyukov

    - the name was very scared Serdyukov, but then calmed down =))
  22. rugor
    rugor 15 October 2013 09: 37
    +3
    Glad for the old Europeans and their stable gas. In the Leningrad region, for example, in the villages there was no gas rejoicing. I am silent about the rest of Russia.
  23. v.lyamkin
    v.lyamkin 15 October 2013 10: 03
    +2
    Thanks for the article and the interview.
  24. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 15 October 2013 10: 37
    +2
    Instructive article. There is a permanent competitive war in the world. And the main attacks of the opponents are directed at Russian Gazprom. To survive in this struggle is not an easy task. And then the nearest neighbors add fuel to the fire. Well, who wants to produce shale gas, please. Let's see what happens.
    1. crambol
      crambol 15 October 2013 11: 20
      +1
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      And then the nearest neighbors add fuel to the fire

      Yes, it’s not oil, they have a lot of stress with it, but other substances about which decent people don’t talk about at the table.
  25. Averias
    Averias 15 October 2013 11: 23
    +6
    Believe the former geologist - shale gas is a fiction. It’s easier to mine Helium-3 (more profitable) on the moon than to develop shales.

    And at the expense of Ukraine, I feel sorry for the glorious lovers of fat and vodka, oh how sorry. What they do, they don’t know. They decided to build a terminal with Italians. There is no terminal, but the money mulion has already been stolen.

    By the way, a man with a surname (with whom to interview) was not lucky. Or are they not relatives and namesakes?

    PS In 2019, we launch Tokamak, it will be interesting to look at the reaction of energy monsters.
  26. alone
    alone 15 October 2013 11: 33
    0
    ) everyone is sitting and discussing natural gas, shale gas! as if ordinary people would benefit from this.
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 15 October 2013 15: 21
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      as if ordinary people would benefit from this.


      Any production, even toilet paper, for the common people provides benefits. At least one that has jobs, there is money in the treasury, and ordinary people in the form of teachers, doctors and other categories receive a salary. And not coupons for the combi, as in 1992 and subsequent fun years.
      1. alone
        alone 15 October 2013 22: 47
        0
        I agree that production is for the good of the people. But those who are now extracting natural resources and stupidly selling them over the hill (this applies to everyone who does this, not just Russia) are engaged in stuffing their bank accounts. And the money is from just the same production should be invested in this sale in order to give an incentive to boost the economy.
    2. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 15 October 2013 23: 35
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      from this common people have

      Yes. I get paid regularly.
  27. 1goose3
    1goose3 15 October 2013 11: 51
    0
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    I foresee that my karma will suffer from a flurry of minuses


    That you are in vain, the karma of those who disagree with you will suffer. A huge plus for you. smile
  28. pensioner
    pensioner 15 October 2013 13: 05
    0
    By the way, for some reason, Greenpeace does not appear there. On the Prirazlomnaya project, the draft of which has been coordinated with all the northern countries, where nothing has been spilled, they have arrived on a special ship. And Dakota, which you can just come by car - preferably only in a chemical protection suit - they are not interested. Apparently, the sponsors are not told.

    So to ask this question to Greenpeace itself. When is the next meeting in Murmansk about them?
  29. mithridate
    mithridate 15 October 2013 13: 09
    +1
    I think they all know this. But too much money was invested in them by the Western masters. And if that - they sit on a plane and under the wing to their owners, they stole a lot of good
    Quote: TRex
    Well, sho? "Here's to you, grandmother - and St. George's Day!" I read it carefully from start to finish. Professionally, reasoned, convincing. It would be nice for our friends from Ukraine to analyze this information and pass it on to Azarov, who, together with Yanukovych, went with a handful of the last soldo to the "field of fools".
    "If you have a pipe, there will be a whistle."
  30. pensioner
    pensioner 15 October 2013 13: 19
    +2
    Sergey Gavrilovich Serdyukov
    There are normal Serdyukovs in the country! Wow it was with a stool so on .... To make a mistake in general ...
  31. sxn278619
    sxn278619 15 October 2013 13: 43
    0
    I did not understand from the article why Gazprom should have gas export only. Does everyone export oil?
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 15 October 2013 14: 12
      0
      Quote: sxn278619
      why should gas export only to Gazprom.

      Perhaps because the budget of Russia, in accordance with the Constitution and previously concluded international treaties, does not belong to Russia AS BE)). She can use it, but not for everything and not always)). And Gazprom OFFICIAL budget of Russia replenishes slightly. All other possible gas exporters of this advantage are deprived)).
    2. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 15 October 2013 23: 39
      +2
      Quote: sxn278619
      why should Gazprom export gas only

      So nothing tricky, dubious. The larger the office, the fewer its competitors. Who is the main in the world? Correctly, TNCs (transnational corporations). Here and Gazprom breaks its niche, well, so that it hangs less under any shelves. Now, ferstein?
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  32. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 15 October 2013 14: 52
    +1
    I would continue the title to it, I would add such words "scared the hedgehog with needles"
  33. buga1979
    buga1979 15 October 2013 15: 01
    +1
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    Do you know what the market value of a normal engineer is? It is also calculated in the West - 17 – 20 million euros. So much is to grow a specialist. He pays back this money, he also brings profit to his enterprise. Today, all the townsfolk thanks to the press are aware of the prices of football stars. So, engineers should cost almost as much as football stars. Only stars "shine a maximum of 12 years", and a high-class engineer - 40 years. And finding a decent job for them is not a problem in any country - at least in Russia, at least in Europe.

    Once the clown-Zadornov "joked" that Sakhalin residents grovel in front of visiting Americans ...
    And the harsh truth is distorted by this clown opus, such that the Americans pay engineers 2-3 times higher and naturally, all many of my colleagues dreamed (and dream) to run away to work at the facilities of the Sakhalin industry, developed by the United States and partners ...
    In Russia, engineers are working for the idea ... Probably even among the soldiers you will not find as many patriots as in some sort of research institute and scientific research institute.
    I foresee that my karma will suffer from a flurry of minuses, but God be with him. When conducting the promotion of the security forces of the Russian Federation, one should not forget that the security officer without an engineer is simply Chingachguk with a bow ...

    And here is oil and gas? Yes, despite the fact that only we can have a poor oilman ...
    we may have an inappropriately niche oilman but also a nicer metallurgist, etc. if already now the state employee gets more workers and then there’s not that they get a lot, but that they don’t pay horseradish in the industry
  34. pluginigor
    pluginigor 15 October 2013 16: 45
    +3
    Quote: SPACE
    Quote: S_mirnov
    It is sad to realize that the Motherland survives mainly through the trade in minerals, in fact it is a raw material colony.

    Well, cry, grieve, Raw Colonist, rip your hair on the pope! Or go and become the high-tech world leader, which is weak? So, you can’t shove it, don’t torture your ass, then don’t bother normal people to do business! It is necessary to use what is available and advantages, and not to dream about what is not and will not be, the government owes you, and what do you owe? what have you done Acroma of liquid diarrhea.

    In vain the man was minus. I totally agree with you
  35. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 15 October 2013 17: 59
    0
    In all this I understand how a bear is in ballet, but on the Internet they publish various information on this subject. Some contradict the opinion of Mr. Serdyukov.
    The daily oil production in the USA for the week from August 31 to September 6 on 2013 of the year amounted to 7,745 million barrels. As follows from the data on the website of the US Energy Information Administration (EIA), this is the highest level since 1989 of the year.
    US oil production growth has accelerated significantly in the past two years. In particular, in August 2011, the daily production volume averaged about 5,6 million barrels, that is, since that time, production of raw materials has increased by almost 40 percent. For comparison, in 2010-2011, production increased by only six percent. Despite the increase in production, the United States continues to import raw materials, but its volumes are declining. In July this year, oil purchases fell to 7,7 million barrels per day - the lowest level for 17 years.
    The sharp increase in oil production in recent years in the United States is associated with the “shale revolution” - the rapid development of oil and gas production from shale rocks. Unconventional fuels are expected to allow the United States to become the largest oil producer in the world until 2020.
    Lenta.ru

    And what to believe?
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 15 October 2013 18: 57
      +3
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      And what to believe?

      Before you believe or not believe, you need to study the materiel.
      US daily oil production of 7,745 million barrels, with the daily consumption of 15-16 million barrels, this is not very much.
      It is doubtful that the states can increase production and refuse to import oil due to the production of shale gas; there is no oil in shale.
      But, if during oil production in Dakota, it is possible to simultaneously produce shale gas, this will make it possible to modify long-abandoned, unprofitable for the development of oil fields.
      Separate oil production - losses
      Mining cl. gas separately - losses
      Oil production + sl.gas = profit.
      Geologists have long used this technique to increase the profitability of deposits.
      For example, the development of a poor copper ore deposit is not cost-effective, but if overburden rocks are used to produce crushed stone, ore mining can be made cost-effective.
    2. yur
      yur 15 October 2013 21: 21
      0
      It seems to me that the volume of US oil purchases is declining, not because production in the country has grown so much, but because the economy is growing weakly. The crisis.
      1. mikkado31
        mikkado31 16 October 2013 02: 36
        -1
        Cheap energy in the USA is a big and fat plus (for the USA). The consumption of petroleum products is due to the transition to alternative sources and more economical consumption systems. in general, US energy independence means America’s gradual withdrawal from the Middle East. And then the Saudis are completely insolent.
    3. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 15 October 2013 23: 46
      +1
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      And what to believe?

      And the comrade from Gazprom suggested using a fountain pen (and even more so a computer) to compile any statistics .... Yes, if the whole figure were true, then there’s nothing to talk about. But, judging by how HOW they are trying to squeeze out our gas from the market, I am more inclined to believe that not everyone is covered in chocolate with slates. I think it’s good that we don’t get into this scam, but we extract natural in old proven ways.
  36. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 15 October 2013 18: 23
    +1
    I remembered Leontyev’s spray on this subject.
  37. 31231
    31231 15 October 2013 18: 33
    +3
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    In all this I understand how a bear is in ballet, but on the Internet they publish various information on this subject. Some contradict the opinion of Mr. Serdyukov.
    The daily oil production in the USA for the week from August 31 to September 6 on 2013 of the year amounted to 7,745 million barrels. As follows from the data on the website of the US Energy Information Administration (EIA), this is the highest level since 1989 of the year.
    US oil production growth has accelerated significantly in the past two years.

    And what to believe?


    Have you tried to find the structure of consumed hydrocarbons in the USA ?! Look at how many percent of the total volume of gas and oil consumption is shale production. BGGG. Straight "breakout" wink
  38. chehywed
    chehywed 15 October 2013 19: 34
    +3
    Where is the shale gas in Poland that Exxon Mobil promised to produce there?


    Polish experience shows that shale gas is not everywhere. Until last year, it was believed that Poland had huge reserves of shale gas. Poland was preparing to turn from a gas importer into an exporter. 68 shale licenses were issued in the country, 40 wells were drilled, four hydraulic fractures were made, exploration investments reached about $ 400 million. Of the 40 drilled wells, only one produced a negligible flow. In June 2012, ExxonMobil abandoned shale gas production plans in Poland, recognizing projects as unprofitable. Chevron suffers from a Polish public fracturing war.

    The situation with the search for shale gas in Ukraine is similar to the Polish one, with the only difference being that they were searched for and not found in Poland, but not yet searched for in our country. Because formally there is no gas. There are speculations and conjectures.
    http://politikan.com.ua/8/0/0/71853.htm
  39. luka095
    luka095 15 October 2013 19: 50
    +1
    Article "plus". The professional has expressed his opinion on an issue in which he is well versed. He's right - in all this fuss over shale gas, it clearly smacks of politics ...
  40. aud13
    aud13 15 October 2013 20: 58
    +1
    Flag in hand ....
    If this is true, then the most sensible position will not interfere.
    Because the stronger Russia will try to prove to Ukraine the inefficiency of shale gas production, the stronger will be some hysterical statements by some politicians about imminent gas independence.
    In general, we need to develop our own market and quietly curtail the thoughtless trade in energy resources. It is much more profitable to sell processed products - that’s what they need to be delivered to both west and east.
  41. APASUS
    APASUS 15 October 2013 21: 03
    +4
    Can it reach some hotheads, what is shale gas?
  42. 31231
    31231 15 October 2013 22: 33
    +2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Do you really understand what you're talking about? Does the price-earnings ratio tell you anything?


    I repeat once again. Was in the Korean autonomy of China. Hunchun and Yangtze cities. Communicated with Russian-speaking Chinese, or speak English. Their average earnings in product terms are less than ours. The salary of 25-30 thousand rubles is ours, they have the aspiration ceiling, the main 10-15 thousand rubles. Prices for good quality goods are somewhere 2 times lower than ours.
    Gasoline in 2011 31-32 rubles. What else interests you?

    Oh yes, I forgot. The auto industry surprised. When I saw the "Germans" (Audi, Merci, Folts) with hieroglyphs on the trunk. I thought that something, but the Germans will not transfer their production there. Disappointed. By the way, there are significantly fewer cars than ours, even in the Yangtze metropolis I have not seen such traffic jams like ours.
  43. alex.limoff
    alex.limoff 15 October 2013 23: 31
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    Lomonosov said that Siberia will increase Russia's power. Gas, oil is all from there. The main thing is to manage this wealth prudently. Russia needs to be lifted from the ruins of the 90s.
  44. WFP
    WFP 16 October 2013 01: 00
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    There are many answers, where Serdyukov is called a professional and specialist. I do not argue, maybe he is a professional and specialist. But in what area? According to the certificate attached to the article, he worked in gas transportation companies. As for me, the head of the coal depot transporting railroad can tell a little about the prospects of a coal basin. Not his profile. About his ignorance is evidenced by at least a conversation about hydraulic fracturing. Listen - you can strangle yourself, how scary. And the fact that the technology of hydraulic fracturing began its life in the USSR, somehow softly silent. And the fact that hydraulic fracturing is widely used (well, of course, not in such large volumes) in technology for the extraction of conventional oil and gas, too. And what do these operations dozens and hundreds of times a year now both in Ukraine and in Russia.
    That the projects related to Ukrainian shale gas are political - this is already understandable. But gas will not be obtained not because it is not there. There is. If anyone looks at the map, Yuzovskaya Square is located between the coal Donbass and the hydrocarbon deposits of the Dnieper-Donetsk Depression. In Donbass - coal, during the formation of which natural gas was formed (the process is ongoing), which migrated to the west and accumulated in the traps of the DDV (gas deposits in the Kharkiv and Poltava regions). Do you think there will be gas between them or not? Of course it will be. And a lot (here, by the way, a specialist may have a question regarding the term - what is “shale gas”? - the Union did not have such a term, based on its vague definition, it can be understood that this is ordinary natural gas contained in low-permeability low-porous rocks , i.e. mine fields and deposits of Donbass are simultaneously shale gas deposits). But to get it is much more difficult than in the same USA due to the specific features of the geology of the area. Purely American technology will not work - it has been tested repeatedly. But here is the problem, since already at the stage of preparation of the project, the geological organizations that carried out surveys in this area (and, by the way, obtained quite good results) were not allowed to work, i.e. all previous experience was simply discarded. Causes? Guess three times.
    So, at least, the work will begin from the level that Donetsk geologists passed 30 years ago. Will there be enough perseverance (and money) to do everything, especially in our conditions - I doubt it.
    1. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 16 October 2013 02: 59
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      Quote: PMA
      the fact that hydraulic fracturing technology began its life in the USSR was somehow mildly silent. And the fact that hydraulic fracturing is widely used (well, of course, not in such large volumes) in technology for the extraction of conventional oil and gas, too. And what do these operations dozens and hundreds of times a year now both in Ukraine and in Russia.

      That's for sure. There are a lot of literature (textbooks) on this issue (period of the USSR). And this technology is used to increase well production. And shale gas is not a problem, it is quite a lot. But the problem is that the production rate of wells, when produced by hydraulic fracturing, drops dramatically after a few months of operation, it is necessary to drill a new one. Therefore, it is more profitable to produce shale oil. There are a lot of it. Have you heard of oil shale? The production of shale oil (as, in principle, ordinary oil) is accompanied by the release of associated gas. But he is still that little thing. Who cares can search the network. This is such a .. that we prefer to burn it.
      But in any case, the production of shale oil is more expensive. Someone here already wrote that with a combination of oil + gas, you can try to get some kind of profitability.
  45. vanderhaas
    vanderhaas 16 October 2013 05: 20
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    I don’t know how you are doing there in Yuzovka, but here people don’t invest especially in the shale bubble (they don’t buy stocks), the bulk of them gave all the cash back to the dot-com bubble. That gas fell by seven cents, so electricity rose in price by 19. Who wants to see how landscapes will look in Dakota, let him admire the modern oil and gas outback in Canadian Alberta.
  46. KOH
    KOH 16 October 2013 05: 21
    +2
    I believe that all this is being done to weaken RUSSIA once again, as when the USSR when oil fell in price to a penny and the arms race was exhausted ... Oil is not really falling this hour, it means that the villains come from the other side. .. Of course, we have a dependency on pipes, but still it’s not so strong, albeit difficult, but the situation is getting better, THEY are screaming, and let them go, but we ourselves can stop whining ...
  47. Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv 16 October 2013 05: 27
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: SPACE
    Or go and become the high-tech world leader, which is weak?

    Who will let that go there? Wherever there is technology, Russia is not allowed. SAAB, Volvo, Opel, to enumerate further, where did we turn from the gate? And pride, you see, does not tell "Our" government to follow the Chinese way.


    In vain you are so.
    Traveled in China.
    Hundreds of millions of Chinese still do not know what water supply, sewage ...
    Yes, China is being built, developed.
    In large cities, on central streets in stores, prices are Moscow. Or maybe more.
    But to an average standard of living, as we are to another galaxy ...
    And there are no pensions.
    And the child is one and only hope for him. For accumulating in old age is very, very difficult.