HQ-9 and C-300. China denies copying charges

As is known, the Chinese HQ-9 long-range air defense system “Red Flag” became the winner of the Turkish T-Loramids tender, winning the competition from the American Patriot system, the Russian C-400 and the European Aster, mil.news.sina.com.cn.

The FD-2000 is an export version of the HQ-9 ADMS. It is wrong to assume that this complex is a copy of the Russian C-300. Russia showed C-300 for the first time at the Moscow Airshow in 1992, in 1993, deliveries of complexes to China began (according to other data, in 1996), after which Beijing began building its own HQ-9 complex, development continued for almost 15 years. Probably in the middle of the development stage, later Russian technologies were used.

But the differences are striking. The HQ-9 rocket has a total length of 6,51 m as compared to 7,5 m for the 48Н6 С-300 SAM (Western designation SA-10). The Chinese complex has a maximum firing range of about 125 km, a target height of 18000 m, an average damage range from 7 to 50 km at altitudes from 1000 to 18000 m, a minimum impact height of 25 m, a range of damage to ballistic targets from 7 to 25 km at altitudes from 2000 to 15000 m, maximum rocket overload during 22g maneuvering.

The HQ-9 complex incorporates a CJ-202 phased-array radar fire control system (PAR), an improved version of the radar used in the KS-1 complex (this air defense system has the military designation HQ-12 - approx. "VP") . The antenna has an azimuth of 120 hail, peak power of 1 MW, average power of 60 kW, detection range of 300 km, can simultaneously monitor 100 targets, perform automatic threat assessment and ensure simultaneous shelling of six targets.

The number of missiles on the PU is the same as that of the C-300 (four transport-launch containers), the missiles are fired from the container in a “cold way” using a steam and gas generator. PU is located on the four-axle all-terrain chassis of domestic development and production. Missile launches can occur at intervals of about 5 seconds.

The brigade consists of six battalions, each of which is equipped with its own command vehicle and radar fire control. The battalion is equipped with 8 PU, the number of missiles ready to launch is 32.

The export version of the complex uses a more modern HT-233 fire control radar, each antenna consists of 1000 or more phase shifters, average radiation power 60 kW, peak power 1 MW, maximum target tracking distance (aircraft) 120 km or more, control of the electron beam It is produced in the 120 range in the horizontal gradient and 65 grad in the vertical direction, and is capable of simultaneously tracking up to the 100 targets and targeting 50.

Comments

[honest jew]

Another Chinese copy !!! Made in Chine !!!

[Asgard]

Well, Honest Jew is really honest)))))
He set the article as a minus. There is a miserable semblance of excuses ..... (And to the Jew +))
The Chinese do nothing of their own ....
In China there is a village (they took me there)) - There absolutely everyone draws paintings by Rembrandt, Dali, Shishkin, Warhal ...... etc. etc.
Moreover, everyone draws (from small to large))) and Rembrandt to some pictures-draw and draw))))))

I ask, they say, something of my own, from myself ,,,, for the soul surrounding nature, Residents, animals ?????
No, we don’t know how, You’ll draw and then We will draw .......

I bought a magnet)))))

[PROXOR]

Quote: Asgard

Well, Honest Jew is really honest))))) I put the article minus. There is a miserable semblance of otmazy ..... (And to the Jew +)) The Chinese do nothing of their own .... There is a village in China (they took me there)) -There, absolutely everyone draws pictures of Rembrandt, Dali, Shishkin, Warhal ...... etc. etc. Moreover, everyone draws (from small to large))) and Rembrant to some pictures-draw and draw)))))) I ask , they say, something of their own, from myself ,,,, surrounding nature for the soul, Residents, animals ????? No, we don’t know how, You draw and then We draw ....... I bought a magnet))) )))

He shit in 3 topics and then said that it’s impossible to say anything else! It’s necessary to ban him!

[Asgard]

Oh guys, how much to explain to you ....
N E at p about d about B L Y Y T E S b))))
You can’t do by analogy, this is how monkeys do, you need to notice GOOD and cultivate it .....
And to ask People not to go to synagogues, because there they commit murders of both People (goys) and Souls of those who call themselves Jews .....

Recall Sasha Koptsova, the grandson of the rabbi led to the Moscow Hasidic synagogue on Bolshaya Bronnaya (there is a metal detector at the entrance)) they drank and tried to bleed the body (this is indicated by characteristic cuts on the face and neck .... He (woke up)) jumped up and grabbed a lancet and cut eight people — who participated in the murder .....
The judicial system is arranged in such a way that the guy was imprisoned for 13 years, although People endure the "little things" from prison and it expounds a Logically true version, not a COURT JUDGMENT ...

What am I doing? He’s not following a nickname, he reads, learns, his brain adjusts to Ludskoye and at some point, he will leave the herd type of life, begin to think of himself (this is priceless)), and here you must contribute to this, and not spread rot rudiments of the mind ....
True, the Jews have a "good opinion" about themselves and their merkava is the most depraved))) the Shnobel laureates they received most of all the Nobels))))

But then we know what's what ....
I suggest, if you have not very good feelings for a Jew or any NIK, do not quarrel with him ...

From the side, it somehow doesn’t color the Man)))
Sincerely, Vladimir))))

[rolik]

Quote: Asgard

You can’t do by analogy, this is what monkeys do,

So do the Chinese))))))

[POCC]

if true then drive the Hasidim with a filthy broom

[Vittt]

Do you know any great Chinese mathematician, physicist, chemist, biologist, aircraft designer? According to the school curriculum, they claim that the Chinese invented gunpowder, paper and a compass. Oh well. I know for sure that according to the number of options for torturing people, they are definitely unsurpassed. This quiet, not evil (in comparison with representatives of the southern regions of Russia) nation knows how to slowly hurt.

[Dovmont]

China invented gunpowder, compass, paper !!! ??? Old and deep-rooted misconceptions, oh, how hard it is to knock out brains. The only thing they invented is the Chinese characters, which no one else can parse except them)))

[grapefruit]

I had to communicate with Chinese professors from Nanjing Aerospace. The same is with the owner of the plant near Shenzhen (naturally he comes from peasants, and he created a plant for 1500 personnel - he makes electric motors and winches, and sends 10% of the volume to Russia). Both (!!!!) answered the question about copyright protection - "if I read Pushkin's poems on the square, and they throw me a change, should I pay tax to Pushkin's relatives? And about copyright - the laws of physics that you have in Russia, that we have in China - the same .. "The only thing that we, Russia, can resist the Chinese tyring is with production technologies - here they are like with Rembrandt's paintings - figurines that they themselves can come up with, only to simplify to reduce the cost

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Both (!!!!) issued a question about copyright protection - "if I read Pushkin's poems on the square, and they throw me a change, should I pay tax to Pushkin's relatives What the hell ... Confucius nervously smokes on the sidelines ...

[T-130]

There are good reasons that hieroglyphs were invented before them! Well, copy and modify is not a problem, the same with the S-300

[GSH-18]

Gunpowder, paper and compass are not Chinese inventions. Proven already. Well, let's begin to forget this pearl from the school course.
The only thing is porcelain.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Vittt

According to the school curriculum, they claim that the Chinese invented gunpowder, paper and a compass.

Their only exact invention is their hieroglyphs, only a complete moron could come up with this.

By the way, Schwartz invented gunpowder. That's for sure. But the Chinese and Japanese already then copied and stole everything.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Vadivak

Their only invention is their hieroglyphs.

I would not rush to such a conclusion. Even in their legends it is described that tall, fair-haired people arrived and taught to read and write.

[kirieeleyson]

and the great wall of China stands with loopholes in and not out, as in normal fortified areas. Many all the same, stories were stolen from us ..

[Andrey Yuryevich]

and most of the Wall was completed during the time of Mao.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Vittt

Do you know any

Especially without going into details, in China hieroglyphs, meaning numbers appeared in the II millennium BC. Does this mean anything? This nation is not so simple, although there is no reason to boast about its Nobel laureates, unlike other nations. Gunpowder was invented by a chemist, a compass by a physicist.

[Ruslan_F38]

Quote: Asgard

Well, Honest Jew is really honest)))))

Today, honesty is rushing out of it))).

No, we don’t know how, You’ll draw and then We will draw .......

wonderful and the future speaks for this nation - a disaster!

[GSH-18]

Quote from the article: "It is incorrect to believe that this complex is a copy of the Russian S-300."
Dear author, open your eyes! In the photo of your article, the Chinese clone S-300!
Well, we read his performance characteristics. What's next? This "good" is not really fired anywhere (a pig in a poke), there are anecdotes about the reliability of Chinese electronics, the latter about the use of this barokhl in Russian missiles, which led to the loss of GLNASS satellites, as well as the purchase of defective Chinese radars by Ecuador.
Turkey in this adventurous purchase plays Russian roulette. Mad people save on air defense.

[Scoun]

Quote: GSH-18

Quote from the article: "It is incorrect to believe that this complex is a copy of the Russian S-300."
Dear author, open your eyes!

What confused me most of all was that they allegedly participated in the tender and lost to the S-400 Chinese are delirious to the masses .. zombie chole? )))

As you know, the Chinese long-range air defense system HQ-9 "Red Flag" won the Turkish tender T-Loramids, winning the competition American Patriot system, Russian S-400 and European Aster, writes today mil.news.sina.com.cn.

S-400 is not yet sold on the side until ....

Russia will start exporting S-400 air defense systems only after it equips its Armed Forces

[AlexanderSS]

about C 400 I think a typo, maybe even a truncated 400 would not lose, well, at the price of current.

[POCC]

That's for sure. Don't chase pop for cheapness.

[Jogan-xnumx]

Well, Honest Jew is really honest)))))
He set the article as a minus. There is a miserable semblance of excuses ..... (And to the Jew +))

Torn from the tongue ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

In China there is a village (they took me there)) - There absolutely everyone draws paintings by Rembrandt, Dali, Shishkin, Warhal ...... etc. etc.
Moreover, everyone draws (from small to large))) and Rembrandt to some pictures-draw and draw)))))) There is such a thing ....

[pashtik]

Well, he himself said that they only know how to copy, and the reasoning does not work for themselves.

[sens99.ru]

Which S-300? Nisevo do not know the hermit

[Vadivak]

Quote: sens99.ru

no matter copy or not

Maybe Ivan doesn’t matter to you, but it infuriates me when this is called not Su-27, but domestic Chinese J-11

[Turkestan]

Or An-12 Yu-12

[ATATA]

And why doesn't it infuriate you that Li-2 is Douglas DC-3, and Tu-4 is B-29?

[Wedmak]

Because we went further and developed our own, and the Chinese are still copying.

[Ivan Pavlov]

it doesn’t matter if it’s a copy or not. The main thing is that rockets fly and hit the target.
and most importantly, the Chinese have political will, a reasonable state policy in the field of education. Every year, Chinese youths win prizes at the Physics and Mathematics Olympiads. And that means there is a future, and they will have their own developments purely, which will be too tough for us and Amers

[Vadivak]

Quote: Ivan Pavlov

Every year, Chinese youths win prizes at the Physics and Mathematics Olympiads.

Olympics are good. Solve puzzles, solve puzzles. Only inventions and technologies among the Russians and Americans both stole and steal. And in the future they will steal.

[0255]

Quote: Ivan Pavlov

it doesn’t matter if it’s a copy or not. The main thing is that rockets fly and hit the target.
and most importantly, the Chinese have political will, a reasonable state policy in the field of education. Every year, Chinese youths win prizes at the Physics and Mathematics Olympiads. And that means there is a future, and they will have their own developments purely, which will be too tough for us and Amers

Quote: Vadivak

Quote: Ivan Pavlov

Every year, Chinese youths win prizes at the Physics and Mathematics Olympiads.

Olympics are good. Solve puzzles, solve puzzles. Only inventions and technologies among the Russians and Americans both stole and steal. And in the future they will steal.

It’s one thing to win an Olympiad in physics and mathematics, another is to create an airplane or an air defense system. Here are purely Chinese developments, clearly copied from something:
J-8-I, similar to the experimental interceptor E-152 OKB Mikoyan. Do not confuse it with J-7

[0255]

and here is the J-8-II, which shows the Su-15. During its development, the Chinese used the MiG-23, donated by the pro-American Egyptian government. The Chinese made J-8 aircraft without Soviet help, but copying could not have done

[0255]

and here is the J-31, a copy of the F-35. I don’t think that Lockheed-Martin will sell to his probable adversary the technology of his latest fighter, albeit still not brought to mind

[Ezhaak]

Quote: 0255

and here is the J-31, a copy of the F-35

Let me ask, where did the Chinese get the F-35 to copy it? As I understand it, the Americans have not sold a single sample to the side so that we can make such statements.
And how long ago in the USSR they stopped copying other people's products. Either airplanes, then home appliances, then microchips. German engineers worked in the USSR helping us to repeat the FAA. With rare exceptions, the USSR copied everything.
VCR VM-12 - a copy of Panasonic on our element base. He cited it as an example.

[Mature naturalist]

Quote: Hedgehog

Let me ask, where did the Chinese get the F-35 to copy it?

A few years ago, Chevrolet developed a small class A car, but it did not go into production, because the Chinese had released it earlier under the brand name Chery QQ
Here is a "cuckoo" ...

[0255]

Let me ask, where did the Chinese get the F-35 to copy it? As I understand it, the Americans have not sold a single sample to the side so that we can make such statements.

the appearance of the F-35 can be copied according to the drawings. Look at the J-8 that I cited - the Chinese seem to have developed them themselves, but they copied the appearance of the E-152 and Su-15. The same, perhaps, was with the J-31 - such as an independent Chinese development, but with a slant under the F-35.

And how long ago in the USSR they stopped copying other people's products. Either airplanes, then home appliances, then microchips. German engineers worked in the USSR helping us to repeat the FAA. With rare exceptions, the USSR copied everything.

The Americans also launched their first astronaut on a replica of the Fau. The Germans also helped them with jet planes. Copied the English "Harrier", the "Canberra" bomber under the name B-57. In the F-14 and F-15, the MiG-25 is visible. There is a version that the appearance of the F-22 Lockheed was borrowed from the Soviet project. F-117 was created on the basis of the works of the Russian mathematician Ufimtsev. And here is the E-8 fighter, from which the F-16 was stripped

they wanted to call it "MiG-23", its developments were implemented in the MiG-23, which went into production.

[v.lyamkin]

Answers:
1. F-35 Chinese copied from a photograph, maybe even this one.
2. The USSR stopped copying someone else’s long ago, no later than 1991.

[Omskgasmyas]

On F-35 it seems like one dvigun. And on this Ketai like 2, or is my vision cheating on me? Although for some forum experts what is 2, what is 1, what's the difference?

[Wedmak]

The Chinese do not have the right engine power. Therefore, it costs two. Presumably our AL-31.

[AVV]

Hackers stole f-35 technology !!! It’s good that they have the same drawbacks as the original !!! Everything is stolen everywhere, China decided to follow the Japanese path, they also stole know-how, new developments, inventions! Well, not China also needs to sell the Su-35, otherwise their face will crack !!!

[Grenader]

So was it worth it to sell it all?

[novobranets]

Quote: Vadivak

Only inventions and technologies among the Russians and Americans both stole and steal.

What Europe does, Asia fakes. O. Bender.

[Gora66]

To know and be able to make two big differences.

[avg]

Every year, Chinese youths win prizes at the Physics and Mathematics Olympiads.

While at the Olympics, the first places are occupied by ours and Indians. I think it will remain so in the foreseeable future. The Chinese here act according to their mentality. While ours are looking for an original and beautiful solution, the Chinese are using the command method, by sorting through memorized template tasks, how computers run options and choose the right one.
Such thinking is the best suited for in-line production, incl. and copying. But scientific breakthroughs do not have to wait.

As you know, the Chinese long-range air defense system HQ-9 "Red Flag" won the Turkish tender T-Loramids

And the HQ-9 SAM, the Chinese, to the Turks, whatever they like, you want for a billion, but you want for a million. It can be cheaper, but then they will not be dyed.

[POCC]

Ile for a penny But then from a tree Every whim for your money

[POCC]

And our .... s in power for a place of reasonable politics do not understand that And the Chinese are well done

[AlexanderSS]

here I agree, the amount goes into quality xs can in 40-50 years and will not be worse rivet. One must be very careful in technology transfer and collaboration.

[alone]

As is known, the Chinese HQ-9 long-range air defense system “Red Flag” became the winner of the Turkish T-Loramids tender, winning the competition from the American Patriot system, the Russian C-400 and the European Aster, mil.news.sina.com.cn.

misinformation.s-400 did not participate in the tender.

[svp67]

Quote: Honest Jew

Another Chinese copy !!! Made in Chine !!!

HQ-9 and C-300. China denies copying charges

A copy, not a copy, but the fact that the HQ-9 was made using the S-300 solutions, in fact being its modernized version, including the option for the Chinese technological capabilities - ON FACE. And whatever they say, "the sons of the dragon ..."

[me]

Right on the face? Are you an expert in this field, have you seen the technical stuffing, etc.?

[Yura]

Quote: Honest Jew

Another Chinese copy !!! Made in Chine !!!

In this news, although what you noticed probably has a place to be, so in this news the main thing is not written about, but these are questions: why and why, or from whom Turkey was going to defend itself so that its defense would not be simply turned off. If you acquire all the weapons from manufacturers of NATO countries, the conclusion suggests itself, and this conclusion again raises a bunch of questions. Hence the question then why China, probably just Russia they will not sell such weapons to them at the moment. Based on this message, try to determine for yourself the circle of potential opponents of Turkey.

[starshina78]

And do not be shy! If only blushed!

[Turkestan]

Why blush. Their main task is to equip their army with modern weapons; morality does not interest them. End justifies the means.

[Drosselmeyer]

You know, in Sevastopol there was a plant to them. Kalmykova. He made radio communications for ships, about 5 thousand worked there. person. And they made good, even consumer electronics. My acquaintance engineer traveled to China in the early 90s and laughed from their new buildings that were not connected to the sewers. Now we have no factory in this city. They now sell Chinese goods in several supermarkets in the former workshops of the plant. In our city of Sevastopol, new buildings are being built on old communications (thank God they connect to the sewers). So what am I talking about all this ...

[andrei332809]

cheap chinese fake.

China denies copying allegations

and someone expected them to confess?

[timurpl]

Yes, let them buy, whoever would be against it ... Then, let them not complain.
-That recently one Latin country bought a bunch of radars from them, and then it turned out that they did not work!

[fklj]

Copywriting nation
And do not sell them figs!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: fklj

And do not sell them figs!

Missiles must be made not collapsible. When trying to open, self-blowing. The only way.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: fklj

And do not sell them figs!

Missiles must be made not collapsible. When trying to open, self-blowing. The only way.

they are such - non-separable. a billion Chinese. they want to be labeled for molecules apart from losses.

[Airman]

Quote: Geisenberg

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: fklj

And do not sell them figs!

Missiles must be made not collapsible. When trying to open, self-blowing. The only way.

they are such - non-separable. a billion Chinese. they want to be labeled for molecules apart from losses.

Let at least a million gather around her, anyway the rocket MUST EXPLODE! Or, during an unauthorized opening, important control units burn out. Against copyists this is the only method.

[POCC]

Precisely vigorous charge

[Airman]

Quote: fklj

Copywriting nation
And do not sell them figs!

Quote: fklj

The Chinese complex has a maximum firing range of about 125 km, the height of the target being hit is 18000 m, the average range of destruction is from 7 to 50 km at altitudes from 1000 to 18000 m

Pay attention to the average range from 7 to 50 km, that is, the complex does not even reach the far. I, as Pvoshnika, was very surprised. Therefore, even up to the S-300PMU, he falls short.

[GSH-18]

Quote: fklj

Copywriting nation
And do not sell them figs!

Our Su-35s want to push them! Note the time, in a couple of months China will have (like two drops of water similar to a Su-35) some sort of J-16, etc. PURE CHINESE PRODUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT!

[Revolver]

Quote: GSH-18

Quote: fklj

Copywriting nation
And do not sell them figs!

Our Su-35s want to push them! Note the time, in a couple of months China will have (like two drops of water similar to a Su-35) some sort of J-16, etc. PURE CHINESE PRODUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT!

With all due respect, you are exaggerating the Chinese possibilities. He will not appear in a couple of months, and even a couple of years looks too optimistic. Here, it’s more likely that about 5 years only the glider and avionics will go away, and dviglo will most likely be bought in Russia. The saddest thing is that in Russia there will certainly be idols that they will sell, and they will also be proud that they export high-tech products. But having turned on the brains, they themselves could have sold whole planes to some thread conditional Pakistan, instead of the Chinese.
But the loss of a potential export market is not so bad. The trouble will be when the Chinese decide that they are strong enough to, as they say, "restore historical justice" and "liberate the original Chinese lands" almost to the Urals. Soviet and Russian developments will play a significant role in this, because they have only green tea of ​​their own development and also quotation books of "Great Helmsman" Mao - almost the most important piece of equipment for every Chinese serviceman.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Nagan

With all due respect, you are exaggerating the Chinese possibilities. He will not appear in a couple of months, and even a couple of years looks too optimistic. Here, it’s more likely that about 5 years only the glider and avionics will go away, and dviglo will most likely be bought in Russia. The saddest thing is that in Russia there will certainly be idiots who will sell, and they will also be proud that they export products. But having turned on the brains, they themselves could have sold whole planes to some thread conditional Pakistan, instead of the Chinese.
But the loss of a potential export market is not so bad. The trouble will be when the Chinese decide that they are strong enough to, as they say, "restore historical justice" and "liberate the original Chinese lands" almost to the Urals. Soviet and Russian developments will play a significant role in this, because they have only green tea of ​​their own development and also quotation books of "Great Helmsman" Mao - almost the most important piece of equipment for every Chinese serviceman.

A couple of months is a hypothetical period.
I absolutely agree with all your post to the last word!

[Wedmak]

The trouble will be when the Chinese decide that they are strong enough to, as they say, "restore historical justice" and "liberate the original Chinese lands" almost to the Urals.

There are some doubts that they will decide on this. For in the event of the intervention of China, everything from the Urals to the Sea of ​​Japan will be a radioactive desert. I can exaggerate a little, but this probability is high. The Chinese are not really fools to rush into a country with nuclear weapons (and mostly tactical), even a billion-dollar army.

[POCC]

But there are no brains for our fertilizer ideas anyway Catch plus

[piotr534]

The donkey is understandable, it was created on the basis of the S-300, something was modified and now they give it away as their own. The usual Chinese song!

[major071]

But the differences are striking.

We take a bicycle. We put the wheels of a smaller diameter, another steering wheel, and the call from the right side is transferred to the left, the trunk is moved forward, and we install the front brake. Hooray! We invented our own bike!

[starhina01]

We put the wheels of a larger diameter. The steering wheel is different. we transfer the call from the left side to the right. Instead of the trunk from the front we put the basket well and know how the disc brake from the moped. Hurray, we also invented our own bicycle You +++ great idea

[WIN969]

When China says that it does not copy, it sounds as absurd as if the Japanese would prove that he is not Asian.

[Baron Wrangell]

rank, she is the rank! and go control processors also a rank? then I don’t envy the Turks!
And they also stink like all Chinese toys? !!! 1

[AlexAl]

(used in SAM KS-1A, power 300 MHz)

Range 300 Parrots
frequency 500

[AlexAl]

each antenna consists of 1000 or more phase shifters, average radiation power 60 kW, peak power 1 MW

I won’t get 300 MHz!
I won’t get 300 MW!
What is 300?

average radiation power 60 kW - one of phase shifters?
And how many antennas then? can 300?

[528Obrp]

This is the Chinese. They have different concepts. So they took and received.

Quote: AlexAl

the average radiation power of 60 kW - one of the phase shifters?

Yes, there, with such an average power of one phase shifter, sparks will fly between the PAR elements.

[POCC]

and the parrots are small

[528Obrp]

Quote: Baron Wrangel

мощность 300 MHz)

Yeah ..

[DEfindER]

Quote: 528Obrp

power 300 MHz)
Yeah ..

The Chinese have their own units, do you remember Chinese 600 W radio tape recorders? :)

[GSH-18]

Power 300 megahertz - this cool nasaynika !!

[528Obrp]

frequency 500, at that frequency

Quote: 528Obrp

power 300 MHz)

and such power
very easy to achieve a detection range of 800 barrels / day

[528Obrp]

And what power source should provide at a peak of 1 mW? And what is it done on?

[AlexAl]

The system will permanently guard the Turkish speakers. Along the way, leaving the citizens of Turkey without light. There will be more than one system!

[GSH-18]

This crap gives out such power before death, at the moment of hit of an anti-radar missile! Last squeak

[Geokingxnumx]

mdaa! In copying technology, there are no better Chinese!

[AlexAl]

Presumably we are talking about 300 MT in TNT equivalent.
The system has small rockets to distract attention, and at this time the pilots are balding, and round eggs become square on the floor of the sixth. Then it’s clear why 300 - so that unfinished (not finished) would not fly away!

[POCC]

baked square on the sixth floor

[0255]

As you know, the Chinese long-range air defense missile system HQ-9 “Red Flag” won the Turkish T-Loramids tender, having won the tender against the American Patriot system, the Russian S-400 and the European Aster, mil.news.sina.com.cn writes today.

so they have riots like in Syria, which is probably why they took a cheaper air defense system. Let the Chinese "Kalash" buy for their army - and the rebels will win the civil war

[Snipe 74]

China is such a friend who is worse than 10 enemies. Very, I really do not believe in their friendship. And unscrupulous competition is just beginning, taught on their own head.

[Airman]

Quote: Snipe 74

China is such a friend who is worse than 10 enemies. Very, I really do not believe in their friendship. And unscrupulous competition is just beginning, taught on their own head.

They also launched it in the Far East and Siberia; soon there will be more of them there than the local residents.

[POCC]

Fifth colona however An optimist teaches English, a pessemist Chinese and a realist Kalashnikov assault rifle. We learn materiel, but we need to start with our own power.... With your own thought exclusively about your pocket

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Beijing began the creation of its own HQ-9 complex, copying lasted almost 15 years.
It’s worse if you learn in a year ... Well, you jerk!

[ilya63]

That's what you raised the stench to heaven, they can copy, it means they can (the economy allows), but ours cannot (because there is practically no industry) they could not even copy the UAV for a very long time, what can we say about the auto industry (I won’t give it to others either ), and about all the cries on the air about fakes, so China put everything on it and did it right, otherwise they came up with some copyrights, and economic espionage has always existed, you can not only copy but improve, supplement and launch in mass production and even to send all to to hell and sell an improved copy on the foreign market in this they (Chinese) are great, more than half the world go in Chinese clothes, drive Chinese cars and other vehicles and use computers and gadgets based on them, production in China, so let's not Yes, and the quality of factory products in China is at a decent level (steel is shit and the rest of lotions and technologies are quite at the level), we need to learn from them, and not sell our resources for nothing and scream that everything is fine with us, Putin and the party with us and we are ahead of the rest (p about thieves probably per capita)

[0255]

more than half of the world go in Chinese clothes

mostly sewn in basements in unsanitary conditions. Fold the Chinese shirt in half and see how crooked it is sewn

use computers and gadgets based on them production-china

It is one thing - electronics of eminent companies, for example Samsung, LG, Sony, etc., which are assembled in China, and another thing - purely Chinese companies, unknown to anyone, which "mow" the floor of decent brands. Chinese fakes are both buggy and inferior in quality to absolutely everything. There is good China, but it is in the minority

[Airman]

Quote: 0255

Chinese fakes are both buggy and inferior in quality to absolutely everything. There is good China, but it is in the minority

On the contrary, bad China is in the majority, there are already more than 1 billion 300 million copyists, and the worst thing is that they copy only themselves.

[Revolver]

Quote: 0255

There is good China, but it is in the minority

Good China is stoned China. It was not in vain that the local people "convinced" the Chinese government not to interfere with the import of opium into China. By the way, they convinced quite easily, since muzzle-loading flint muskets and wooden (don't laugh, these are exactly what were in service with the Chinese imperial army) cannons are rather weak counterarguments against breech-loading rifles and artillery.

[BBM]

Well, so to speak, the representative of the most humane democratic nation volunteered. Of course, I understand that the Chinese are not people for you. As well as Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and other natives. But you confused a little is not an American site.

[BBM]

By the way, it is this Britashka (mother of two children) who is behind the seizure of the shopping center in Nairobi, absolutely monstrous in cruelty (comparable only to Beslan). And somehow it happened that just on the eve of the next visit of the local president (not creeping to the west, besides) to China. Samantha Lewithwaite is a "white widow" in person. Although she would be more suitable for the nickname of another arachnid - Black Widow. This is really a fake passport. I wanted to find a sample of her photo on a British passport - and figurines, Google, even without understanding, I don’t know of such images. So the Naglo-Saxons are all the same Naglo-Saxons, for almost two hundred years their morals have not changed much.

[Proud.]

Quote: ilya63

that's what you stench raised to heaven

Apply your statement about yourself. Do not stink, amiable, not stink, but a natural, sincere and fair indignation. The ranks of the ssa are in the eye, and they all have tea of ​​the highest grades. In the USSR, S-75 was changed to 300s in the second half of 80 -h.On a fundamentally different scheme (vertical launch of an anti-aircraft missile), the world has never heard of either. And the China of the 90s, this is not China of the 2000s. It's about the Chinese recognized copywriters (copywriters, copy-paste) of the finished products, for the most part, but not technologies. Which, to the Chinese wall, their own technologies!

[Vadivak]

Quote: Be proud.

The ranks of the pisses in the eye, and they all have top-grade tea

These two products should have good vision support, but no.

Quote: Be proud.

.In the USSR S-75, changed to 300 matches in the second half of the 80s

According to the recollection of friends who worked on them, the equipment was out of order even out of = a draft. How much was spent on debugging forces is horrible.

Quote: Be proud.

What, to the Chinese wall, their technology!

Ram the land in half with the builders and lay it over with bricks. They are still building this way. And Tajiks are taught this.

[Proud.]

Quote: Vadivak

According to the recollection of friends who worked on them, the equipment was out of order even out of = a draft. How much was spent on debugging forces is horrible.

I do not argue. It just infuriates when the Chinese stupidly deny their improved technologies and theft, passing them off as "dormant thousand-year wisdom."

[GSH-18]

Quote: Vadivak

Ram the land in half with the builders and lay it over with bricks. They are still building this way. And Tajiks are taught this.

Smiley, thanks!
But you are right to disgrace! 100%

[Revolver]

Quote: Be proud.

.What to the Chinese wall, its technology!

1000 Chinese with files replace the milling machine.

[GSH-18]

Quote: ilya63

not only copy but improve, complement and launch into mass production

Another adherent of Chinese fakes.
Dear, fake, by definition, can not be better than the original is an axiom. Since its production requires significantly less money, and it is done not so that people use it, but in order to be able to sell it in large quantities, due to the difference in price. There are a lot of mean people in the world. And the Americans have taught PR to this guano (fake) of the Chinese.

[ilya63]

gsh-18 I am not an adherent of Chinese consumer goods as you put it and you don’t have to pull certain pieces from the offers, they make fakes for the rest of the suckers and at the same time they put a hell on all sorts of copyrights and international agreements, many of which appeared with the development of economic espionage , read the whole article conceptualized and then something mug

[GSH-18]

Quote: ilya63

read the whole article comprehend and then something mug

More respect. I don’t poke you.
And I do not burst, as you put it, but I speak normally, and for each word I can answer reasonably.
I myself rushed to buy Chinese industrial goods, that's why: I bought myself a new computer about 7 years ago, and a year later all Chinese-made spare parts in it safely went to another world (1 year passed a new Chinese record) including a hard drive! Replaced everything with normal manufacturers (Korea, Japan, states) -6 years normal flight! And I would immediately buy a normal system unit, and there were no problems! And why? Yes, I wanted to save money. Miserliness (as you know, avaricious pays twice). So it turns out that buying Chinese equipment in the end comes out more expensive than high-quality! So that

[Sergeant]

... HQ-9 "Red Flag" became the winner of the Turkish T-Loramids tender, having won the competition against the American Patriot system, the Russian S-400 and the European Aster ...

There is probably a mistake in the article: Not S-400, but S-300 (export version).
I doubt that Russia could offer the S-400.

[pint45]

It was the case that the Chinese did 40 pieces of rockets for the S-300-Deribas and trash, but they did not receive the essence of all the information.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Sergeant

I doubt that Russia could offer the S-400.

Already. Only not Russia. The Russian government has proposed that China buy the S-400 after 2017. By then they will be finished, debugged and sold. And 4 years will not fly by.

[0255]

Quote: Vadivak

Quote: Sergeant

I doubt that Russia could offer the S-400.

Already. Only not Russia. The Russian government has proposed that China buy the S-400 after 2017. By then they will be finished, debugged and sold. And 4 years will not fly by.

no words, only expressions for which they will ban me ...

[Airman]

Quote: Sergeant

There is probably a mistake in the article: Not S-400, but S-300 (export version).
I doubt that Russia could offer the S-400.

That's right, ours offered the S-400, apparently the thirst for profit was overshadowed by the mind. I don’t know for what reason they replaced it with the S-300.

[Wedmak]

Weren't those C-400 trimmed versions?

[Mr. Gambu4aS]

We don’t copy China's from the bottom, you have a Russian penis that’s balsa, but we have a Chinese one that’s very small, how can we cap it?))) (South Park)

[Rezun]

Quote: Mr. Gambu4aS

We don’t copy China's from the bottom, you have a Russian penis that’s balsa, but we have a Chinese one that’s very small, how can we cap it?))) (South Park)

... we cessno subscribe ...

[Cherdak]

Quote: Asgard

China denies copying allegations

I immediately remembered the old American comedy "Coming to America" ​​- when Cleo McDowell, the owner of the McDowell bistro chain, resentfully rejected McDonald's claims to copy the trademark: "They have golden arches, but I have golden arches!"

Cleo McDowell: Look ... me and the McDonald's people got this little misunderstanding. See, they're McDonald's ... I'm McDowell's. They got the Golden Arches, mine is the Golden Arcs. They got the Big Mac, I got the Big Mick. We both got two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles and onions, but their buns have sesame seeds. My buns have no seeds.

[Bergman]

The Americans are against Turkey building its air defense system from these Chinese systems.

[Wedmak]

But the differences are striking.

Of course they rush !! They have a file of the Chinese system! In the garage, you can also assemble a Mercedes from Mercedes spare parts. And even in some places to improve them. But from this he will not cease to be a copy. So they copied as best they could ... for 15 years ...

[Sergey Medvedev]

There is a plus here, in this Chinese copy. Just copy, it means they can’t create anything.

[Day 11]

Well, let's see how it flies in China. Please note, this is exactly the Chinese clone S-300

[andrei332809]

Quote: Den 11

see how it flies in

and is it kuda with such tricks? Yeah, no target will run away from such maneuvering

[Wedmak]

Oh .... super maneuverability! Well, not all of us mace scare people. Although what comparisons are there ...

[scientist]

Failure of one of the guidance loops. It also happens here, but very rarely. The rackets are raw at all, apparently the electronics are not designed for serious overloads, and the engine is rather weak and smoky.

[IGS]

Beautiful .. All the same, the Chinese know their job, they know how to make firecrackers .. and if desired, they will give them any form, even rockets, even an airplane, even a sewing machine.

[GSH-18]

Yeah, flies, get hurt! Well, at least the Chinese themselves did not hit!
However, these guano did not get into anything in this video. New Chinese very expensive fireworks

[Wedmak]

By the way, the thought arose - what if it just hit it? At some sort of birdie .. accidentally ?! The goal is eliminated!

[GSH-18]

Quote: Wedmak

By the way, the thought arose - what if it just hit it? At some sort of birdie .. accidentally ?! The goal is eliminated! laughing

Well, will they lie in a bird? And a couple of germs hit for sure! The world's first antimicrobial RZS! Made in Shina!

[Santa Fe]

HQ-9 “Red Flag” became the winner of the Turkish T-Loramids tender, having won the competition against the American Patriot system, the Russian S-400 and the European Aster, mil.news.sina.com.cn writes today.

But what about the statement that the S-400 will not be exported until they re-equip the domestic air defense forces?

[Wedmak]

Unfortunately, C-400 covers only Moscow. Already covers. As for the rest .... well, as usual, Antey C-350 is likely to get it. So the promises ... these are the promises.

[jagdpanzer]

300 MHz is cool) by RUN TO SCHOOL !!!

[Cherdak]

Quote: Sergei Medvedev

Just copy, it means they can’t create anything.

There is only one big nuisance - they copy and sell much CHEAPER than create unhealthy competition.

Too lazy to look for the source, but here is someone else's description of the fight against such arrogant piracy:

"In the late 40s, the Japanese raised shipbuilding (and, in fact, created anew) and took" for trial "ship designs from the British. They copied all the documentation, returned with gratitude but free of charge, built according to the documentation, the ship according to the Admiral Nelson project was called" Fukuoka-maru "and launched.

On one of the copied ships there was an engine, in the side of which a cavity was drilled (casting defect) and a metal patch was screwed onto four bolts. The English designer of this ship somehow got on the Japanese take of his ship and found an engine with a patch.
And the next time, the Japanese received a ship project, and again refused to purchase the project as unnecessary.
And when the Japanese ship was lowered into the water, it turned upside down with its keel, for the ship's center of gravity was above the waterline. The Japanese project manager made himself a hara-kiri. "(C) Advanced

[Wedmak]

There is only one big nuisance - they copy and sell much CHEAPER than create unhealthy competition.

No one is against copying if this is done under license or in joint development. And Russia copied in due time, but she bought licenses for production! Often paying in gold. And these produced copies were only the basis for their own development. And not cuts of the existing design.

[Dovmont]

This story dates back to the end of the XNUMXth century, when England intensively prepared Japan for a war with Russia.

[scientist]

China won the tender only because it was the only one of the bidders who agreed to fully transfer the technology and cooperate in further improving the air defense systems. Obviously the copy is not its own, it’s not a pity. Then they will copy and sell it, it’s cheaper than trying and developing it yourself.
For Turkey, the minimum price + full transfer of technology is a key condition. And they themselves will achieve the required quality slowly

[Commander]

The Chinese are well done !!! During the night, files can grind any copy, including missiles !!! Them there is darkness !!!!

[Alexei]

HQ-9 “Red Flag” became the winner of the Turkish T-Loramids tender, having won the competition with the American Patriot system, the Russian C-400 and the European Aster

They also won against everyone. And why did you win, because cheap like all Chinese products?

[taseka]

Yes, everything is clear to everyone, and quarreling, well, no matter how we can’t!

[alexpro66]

What nonsense ?? How long did the S-400 take part in the tender? Where does this information from the author come from ???? Does he even understand what the S-400 system is ??? There is little that the Turks are considering !! And who will sell them ?? WITH THE SAME SUCCESS, YOU CAN WRITE THAT WE POST ON THE TENDER AND "Poplar" -Turks are also interested in buying them, and even a lot of Arab countries)) !!! Here is a quote

“We are actually conducting market research on the possibility of S-400 deliveries in the future, but we can’t talk about any deliveries at present,” RIA Novosti quotes a Rosoboronexport representative.

Yes, and five years at least they will conduct their marketing research))))

[alone]

did you want the Chinese to write that they won the tender with s-300v?
you need to somehow advertise your product.

[dimon-media]

Oh, these Xeroxes! That is, the Chinese miserable likeness on the S-300. Compared to all technical specifications. It did not work out to create an analogue to our air defense systems, even resorting to copying. On the other hand, let it be inferior, but it your air defense system! Down and Out trouble started! I have no doubt that they will not stop there. Then they will create better than this, their firstborn.

Z.Y. I ask the Chinese not to be offended that they dubbed them xeroxes))) I did not pick up other words

[wolk71]

Create a copy and write one TTX on a piece of paper, but can this copy compete with the original? S-27 was copied, but there is no sense in making the engine, it is too weak, so I heard. They made an AK copy, but there’s not enough material to make the trunk of the mind, so it spits after the first horn.

[Alexasmi]

It is reliably known that at least one of the S-300PS complexes from the first delivery was completely disassembled by the Chinese and examined "under a microscope." It is also no secret that at one time KB "Almaz" made at least part of the software for the Chinese counterpart. So, of course, the Chinese HQ-9 is not a complete copy of the C-300PS, but made on the basis and using those. three hundred solutions on its (Chinese) hardware base.

[kopleev]

The important thing is not that they copied the C300, but how the Chinese did it. The USSR also plagiarized in this area, an example of the P-25 copied from AIM 7E Sparrow. Only ICD Pennant, a copy was technically more perfect than the original. I doubt the Chinese.

[Technologist]

Yes, copy and how. For example, there is such a device in trucks, buses - a digital tachograph (for those who don’t know, this is a device for controlling the driver’s work and rest), and so it’s designed so that if it is disassembled, it breaks down, but it’s narrow-eyed something not in the house))). An experimental batch was installed on the Chinese auto industry, after some claim:
- You delivered us non-working devices!
And why do you think so? ....that's it)))))

[TTX]

Obviously something else ... They study ... In conditions when the growing potential no one erases in the sand due to the fact that it is growing (excuse me: "who needs a growing") they have a real chance to acquire the skill of a manufacturer of a full-fledged weapon ...

[Enot-poloskun]

We need to rejoice that a country from the NATO bloc, a country potentially hostile to Russia - Turkey - bought Chinese junk.

[Max79]

The Americans themselves do not sell some samples of military equipment even to their allies. And we, that ... a Cossack will rush at the tank with a saber. Surely there is already a copy of the S-500, which will be released earlier than the original of ours ... and it will be not surprisingly in a country that is corrupt ... it's a shame, someone develops a gnome, doesn’t eat up his brains, and “effective managers” cut the loot.

[sxn278619]

We must take an example from China, copy the four core processor and VLSI.

[kopleev]

The fact that the Chinese gunsmiths copied the C300 is clear as "god's day". Well, let them copy the complex of the last generation. The fact that Rossvooruzhenie sells technologies abroad, which are then studied and used in their own developments by countries such as China, is certainly not encouraging. But it should be noted that a significant part of the funds received from the sale of weapons goes to the maintenance of the military-industrial complex of Russia. In our difficult times, only with good funding can advanced weapons be developed.

[slovak007]

And the author did not mess up with the dimension of the antenna power?

[slovak007]

Chinese Kalashnikov and domestic are two different things. Even if they copied, it’s not a fact that qualitatively.

[waisson]

in Serbia, we preferred Chinese than Romanian or Bulgarian Kalashnik; the Chinese turned out to be more hardy in metal than in the listed states

[Alexasmi]

Quote: Povshnik

Quote: Sergeant

There is probably a mistake in the article: Not S-400, but S-300 (export version).
I doubt that Russia could offer the S-400.

That's right, ours offered the S-400, apparently the thirst for profit was overshadowed by the mind. I don’t know for what reason they replaced it with the S-300.

Well, ours could not offer the S-400, because there is still no export option. The Turks were offered S-300VM - a complex not intended for covering stationary objects. Therefore, it is completely logical that the Turks did not even consider such a proposal.

[gaikin13]

Local gentlemen, according to your comments, you can see that you did not hold the original Chinese things in your hands! There the quality is EXTREMELY decent!

[Wedmak]

Held. Decent quality. Huawei smartphones are very decent devices ... but also not without copying, industrial espionage, and more.

[waisson]

but if about the S-300 we’re not guilty, the Chinese will tell you you yourself have instigated us, we turned yours and created ours

[SAG]

As you know, the Chinese long-range air defense system HQ-9 “Red Flag” became the winner of the Turkish T-Loramids tender, having won the competition with the American Patriot system, Russian S-400 and European Aster, writes today mil.news.sina.com.cn.

what??? maybe we C-500 immediately put up for tender and even C-600that really trifle then!?!

[Selevc]

Those who strongly criticize China for copying - probably they don’t know their own history - the very USSR did not hesitate to copy the most modern types of weapons ... Tu-4 is a copy of B-29, our R1 missile is a copy of German Fau-2, ours the Kalashnikov assault rifle absorbed a lot from the German Sturmgever ...
And China also copies - and if someone copies something, it means that this weapon is very modern and the design idea in it is very progressive ...
And just don’t think that if you use Chinese consumer goods, they can do just that - they do what our businessmen buy from them ... And the law of our business is known to the whole world - a minimum of investments and a maximum of profit ... That’s it to us on the market such dubious goods - such as crookedly sewed T-shirts and disposable bicycles :)))

[gaikin13]

Yes, it’s being taken to our country from China! Chinese original products are VERY high quality!

[Selevc]

In China, there are very high-quality things and goods, and there are many of them ... Only in our market it is less profitable to trade expensive goods at cost - expensive goods are designed for a narrower population - therefore, their payback is much longer ...

Therefore, for example, it is much more profitable to bring 1000 tin and cheapest Chinese bicycles and quickly selling them to make a profit than bringing 100 expensive and high-quality ones and trying to sell them ...
And modern flexible production is designed for any customer - you need bicycles at a cost price of $ 500 - please - they will do it as needed for the entire technology - you need $ 50 each. - please - twist quickly from Mr. "candy" !!! :)))

[Wedmak]

The Tu-4 is a copy of the B-29, our R1 missile is a copy of the German Fau-2, our Kalashnikov assault rifle absorbed a lot from the German Sturmgever ...

The first flying copies were indeed copies. In those days, no one hesitated to tyrit other people's developments. Only OUR developments and OWN devices went further. Head and shoulders above the "originals".
Threat.
Tu-4 merged 1: 1 on the orders of Stalin, in addition to engines, weapons and a radio station, the P1 was also structurally different from the Fau-2, Kalashnikov only looked like a Sturm ...

[westland]

Well done Chinese, they invented everything, the SU-27, S-300 and everything else, they will soon invent a hovercraft, it’s called ZUBR after Ukraine transfers the technology, it won’t be long to wait.

[gaikin13]

Here the bulk of the Soviet propaganda is rushing! “Everyone around is rotting, but we are thriving with Putin...” Chinese quality is several orders of magnitude higher than Russian!

[major071]

I see the defenders of China appeared closer to night? This is not where we should start, gentlemen and comrades. Not from this...

[Agent 008]

I am sure that after the first launch, these missiles will be taken to the service center for repairs, like everything else Chinese...am!

[Tehb]

Quote: Selevc

our Kalashnikov assault rifle has absorbed a lot from the German Sturmgever...

There are a lot of articles on the Internet where it is explained that Kalashnikov did not absorb anything, but there is always an expert. They are similar in appearance - just like any machine gun or assault rifle is similar in appearance.
And I propose to rename China Copyrai.

[netishunUA]

It looks something like this: we attach a couple of reflectors to the S-300, and the AshQ-9 is ready.
In general, it is necessary to prohibit the Chinese from selling anything more complex than a sapper’s shovel. So, you can finish the game when the Russian Far East is taken away with Russian weapons.

[nazgul-ishe]

Understand! When we copied B29, we had to create entire industries for it.
Why don't we copy the Merc, the Japanese, or at worst the Korean - WE CAN'T. The crankshaft doesn't work well on belt-driven machines.

[Wedmak]

Why don't we copy the Merc, the Japanese, or at worst the Korean - WE CAN'T. The crankshaft doesn't work well on belt-driven machines.

Who needs another car with the same price as a Mercedes, but Russian? Can you imagine what its promotion to the market will entail???
Tell the Chinese about belt-driven machines. How we make aircraft engines on these machines. And titanium blades for turbines.

[1c-inform-city]

Quote: Hedgehog

Quote: Vittt

Do you know any

Especially without going into details, in China hieroglyphs, meaning numbers appeared in the II millennium BC. Does this mean anything? This nation is not so simple, although there is no reason to boast about its Nobel laureates, unlike other nations. Gunpowder was invented by a chemist, a compass by a physicist.

Everything is fine, but the Chinese cannot present to the world a single written source written before the 16th century. I wonder how to explain this?

[Druid]

Quote: Den 11

Please note that this is a Chinese clone of the S-300

This is a Russian-made rocket and complex.
The Chinese did not invent anything new; they once studied at Soviet institutes and learned a lot from there:
- atomic bomb - copying;
- rocket technology - copying;
- aviation jet engine - copying;
- transport aircraft - copying;
- bomber - copying;
- submarine - copying;
- air-to-air missile with thermal seeker - copying;
- etc. etc.
What is the name of the plagiarist's country?

This air defense system is like a Kalashnikov assault rifle, elements of different systems have been introduced and everything has been simplified for the vocational training officer.

[e3tozy]

And we helped them with space at one time. Was it worth it though?

[rocketman]

And I upvoted the article. I found out by chance that the Chinese cloned this. Well done! The Americans bought three hundred from the Syabrs a long time ago, but they can’t copy them... But they succeeded. The performance characteristics are not bad, but everyone knows about reliability - they are disposable. although, show me a war game where you have to re-use such air defense systems?

[e3tozy]

Quote: Scoun

What confused me the most was that they write that they supposedly participated in the tender and lost to the Chinese. ))

This information is truly alarming.

[xomaNN]

In art it would be appropriate: “The student surpassed the teacher” And here, alas, the stupid corruption of all weapons dating back to the Soviet era in the 90s is reflected. Well, many people in the allegedly market division in the CIS really wanted to drive foreign cars!

[nazgul-ishe]

We’ve been sitting on this for 30 years, but where is the C1300? It’s bad that the sales market was taken away. So let's do something that is simply impossible to copy.

[avg]

What one person has done, another can always break. And even more so to copy.

[svp67]

Quote: nazgul-ishe

It’s bad that the sales market was taken away

It’s too early to talk about this; everything will be decided by the outcome of the operation of these Chinese complexes in Turkey....

[Imigrantt]

And who will say that everything is licked????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[maestro123]

The quality will be like this.
PS An acquaintance bought a Chinese car, and his butt caught fire from the heated seats.
He quickly sold it.
What to expect from more complex Chinese products?

[andrei332809]

Quote: maestro123

it will be something like this.

Are they already releasing personalized shoes? Are these specially for Dimas?

[flak155]

I heard that they even build cities with copies from Europe

[DimychDV]

Quote: Asgard

I suggest that if you don’t have very good feelings towards a Jew or any other nickname, do not argue with him... From the outside, this somehow doesn’t look good on a Person)))

Including because I have seen disputes between our Orthodox Christians and the Semitic Khvarise on the Internet. They have adopted the fashion of not letting anyone down on the topic of anti-Semitism, and they strive to pour salt on the tail of everyone who is eloquent, and they snap at EVERY one of you and EVERY sympathetic remark, and so on for as long as they like - certainly leaving the last word and remark for themselves. Even knowing that you are right, in two months you will spit and leave, tired of messing with them, and they will celebrate their “victory”. That is, the topic of the forum, commentary, discussion is completely forgotten, and goes on and on under the slogan “they are beating our people.” I suggest simply reminding all those who deviate from the topic of the article to return to the mainstream.

[Known who]

It’s great, now they’ve licked off the S-300 and the Patriot, and tomorrow they’ll have their own, and while in Russia they’ll dress up to whom and how much they need to give in order to introduce a new one, the Chinese will have their own air defense system, with characteristics better than ours.

[Refund_SSSR]

When you have your own, then it’s worth talking about... so far there’s nothing of your own.
Moreover, with characteristics better than ours.
This is what school is for!
Here they have a school of copying, this school does not know how to create something new.

[Evgeniy667b]

The Chinese have once again shown that they have reached a level equivalent to advanced technologies and no matter what they say about them, no matter how much they criticize them, it is from the evil one and from their own powerlessness. Our idiot shipmen still won’t understand that selling weapons from new developments is very bad, it is a direct betrayal of the interests of their country. It is obvious that we are handing over our weapons to the enemy. The dollar has become not only the basis of our existence, but also a substitute for gray brain matter for many Russians.

[pashtik]

Ours still want to sell them the Su-35! They’ll copy them piece by piece, at least not give a license for the production of parts, let them buy from us.