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HQ-9 and C-300. China denies copying charges

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As is known, the Chinese HQ-9 long-range air defense system “Red Flag” became the winner of the Turkish T-Loramids tender, winning the competition from the American Patriot system, the Russian C-400 and the European Aster, mil.news.sina.com.cn.


The FD-2000 is an export version of the HQ-9 ADMS. It is wrong to assume that this complex is a copy of the Russian C-300. Russia showed C-300 for the first time at the Moscow Airshow in 1992, in 1993, deliveries of complexes to China began (according to other data, in 1996), after which Beijing began building its own HQ-9 complex, development continued for almost 15 years. Probably in the middle of the development stage, later Russian technologies were used.

But the differences are striking. The HQ-9 rocket has a total length of 6,51 m as compared to 7,5 m for the 48Н6 С-300 SAM (Western designation SA-10). The Chinese complex has a maximum firing range of about 125 km, a target height of 18000 m, an average damage range from 7 to 50 km at altitudes from 1000 to 18000 m, a minimum impact height of 25 m, a range of damage to ballistic targets from 7 to 25 km at altitudes from 2000 to 15000 m, maximum rocket overload during 22g maneuvering.


The HQ-9 complex incorporates a CJ-202 phased-array radar fire control system (PAR), an improved version of the radar used in the KS-1 complex (this air defense system has the military designation HQ-12 - approx. "VP") . The antenna has an azimuth of 120 hail, peak power of 1 MW, average power of 60 kW, detection range of 300 km, can simultaneously monitor 100 targets, perform automatic threat assessment and ensure simultaneous shelling of six targets.

The number of missiles on the PU is the same as that of the C-300 (four transport-launch containers), the missiles are fired from the container in a “cold way” using a steam and gas generator. PU is located on the four-axle all-terrain chassis of domestic development and production. Missile launches can occur at intervals of about 5 seconds.


The brigade consists of six battalions, each of which is equipped with its own command vehicle and radar fire control. The battalion is equipped with 8 PU, the number of missiles ready to launch is 32.


The export version of the complex uses a more modern HT-233 fire control radar, each antenna consists of 1000 or more phase shifters, average radiation power 60 kW, peak power 1 MW, maximum target tracking distance (aircraft) 120 km or more, control of the electron beam It is produced in the 120 range in the horizontal gradient and 65 grad in the vertical direction, and is capable of simultaneously tracking up to the 100 targets and targeting 50.
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  1. honest jew
    honest jew 14 October 2013 13: 48
    47
    Another Chinese copy !!! Made in Chine !!!
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 14 October 2013 14: 13
      92
      Well, Honest Jew is really honest)))))
      He set the article as a minus. There is a miserable semblance of excuses ..... (And to the Jew +))
      The Chinese do nothing of their own ....
      In China there is a village (they took me there)) - There absolutely everyone draws paintings by Rembrandt, Dali, Shishkin, Warhal ...... etc. etc.
      Moreover, everyone draws (from small to large))) and Rembrandt to some pictures-draw and draw))))))

      I ask, they say, something of my own, from myself ,,,, for the soul surrounding nature, Residents, animals ?????
      No, we don’t know how, You’ll draw and then We will draw .......

      I bought a magnet)))))
      1. PROXOR
        PROXOR 14 October 2013 14: 34
        12
        Quote: Asgard
        Well, Honest Jew is really honest))))) I put the article minus. There is a miserable semblance of otmazy ..... (And to the Jew +)) The Chinese do nothing of their own .... There is a village in China (they took me there)) -There, absolutely everyone draws pictures of Rembrandt, Dali, Shishkin, Warhal ...... etc. etc. Moreover, everyone draws (from small to large))) and Rembrant to some pictures-draw and draw)))))) I ask , they say, something of their own, from myself ,,,, surrounding nature for the soul, Residents, animals ????? No, we don’t know how, You draw and then We draw ....... I bought a magnet))) )))

        He shit in 3 topics and then said that it’s impossible to say anything else! It’s necessary to ban him!
        1. Asgard
          Asgard 14 October 2013 15: 06
          36
          Oh guys, how much to explain to you ....
          N E at p about d about B L Y Y T E S b))))
          You can’t do by analogy, this is how monkeys do, you need to notice GOOD and cultivate it .....
          And to ask People not to go to synagogues, because there they commit murders of both People (goys) and Souls of those who call themselves Jews .....

          Recall Sasha Koptsova, the grandson of the rabbi led to the Moscow Hasidic synagogue on Bolshaya Bronnaya (there is a metal detector at the entrance)) they drank and tried to bleed the body (this is indicated by characteristic cuts on the face and neck .... He (woke up)) jumped up and grabbed a lancet and cut eight people — who participated in the murder .....
          The judicial system is arranged in such a way that the guy was imprisoned for 13 years, although People endure the "little things" from prison and it expounds a Logically true version, not a COURT JUDGMENT ...


          What am I doing? He’s not following a nickname, he reads, learns, his brain adjusts to Ludskoye and at some point, he will leave the herd type of life, begin to think of himself (this is priceless)), and here you must contribute to this, and not spread rot rudiments of the mind ....
          True, the Jews have a "good opinion" about themselves and their merkava is the most depraved))) the Shnobel laureates they received most of all the Nobels))))

          But then we know what's what ....
          I suggest, if you have not very good feelings for a Jew or any NIK, do not quarrel with him ...

          From the side, it somehow doesn’t color the Man)))
          Sincerely, Vladimir))))
          1. rolik
            rolik 14 October 2013 19: 30
            +5
            Quote: Asgard
            You can’t do by analogy, this is what monkeys do,

            So do the Chinese))))))
          2. POCC
            POCC 15 October 2013 18: 20
            0
            good if true then drive the Hasidim with a filthy broom
      2. Vittt
        Vittt 14 October 2013 15: 55
        21
        Do you know any great Chinese mathematician, physicist, chemist, biologist, aircraft designer? According to the school curriculum, they claim that the Chinese invented gunpowder, paper and a compass. Oh well. I know for sure that according to the number of options for torturing people, they are definitely unsurpassed. This quiet, not evil (in comparison with representatives of the southern regions of Russia) nation knows how to slowly hurt.
        1. Dovmont
          Dovmont 14 October 2013 16: 42
          10
          China invented gunpowder, compass, paper !!! ??? Old and deep-rooted misconceptions, oh, how hard it is to knock out brains. The only thing they invented is the Chinese characters, which no one else can parse except them)))
          1. grapefruit
            grapefruit 14 October 2013 19: 44
            12
            I had to communicate with Chinese professors from Nanjing Aerospace. The same is with the owner of the plant near Shenzhen (naturally he comes from peasants, and he created a plant for 1500 personnel - he makes electric motors and winches, and sends 10% of the volume to Russia). Both (!!!!) answered the question about copyright protection - "if I read Pushkin's poems on the square, and they throw me a change, should I pay tax to Pushkin's relatives? And about copyright - the laws of physics that you have in Russia, that we have in China - the same .. "The only thing that we, Russia, can resist the Chinese tyring is with production technologies - here they are like with Rembrandt's paintings - figurines that they themselves can come up with, only to simplify to reduce the cost
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 15 October 2013 05: 56
              +2
              Both (!!!!) issued a question about copyright protection - "if I read Pushkin's poems on the square, and they throw me a change, should I pay tax to Pushkin's relatives lol What the hell ... Confucius nervously smokes on the sidelines ... lol
          2. T-130
            T-130 14 October 2013 20: 26
            +2
            There are good reasons that hieroglyphs were invented before them! Well, copy and modify is not a problem, the same with the S-300
          3. GSH-18
            GSH-18 15 October 2013 07: 29
            0
            Gunpowder, paper and compass are not Chinese inventions. Proven already. Well, let's begin to forget this pearl from the school course.
            The only thing is porcelain.
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 14 October 2013 16: 42
          +5
          Quote: Vittt
          According to the school curriculum, they claim that the Chinese invented gunpowder, paper and a compass.


          Their only exact invention is their hieroglyphs, only a complete moron could come up with this.

          By the way, Schwartz invented gunpowder. That's for sure. But the Chinese and Japanese already then copied and stole everything.
          1. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz 14 October 2013 19: 07
            +6
            Quote: Vadivak
            Their only invention is their hieroglyphs.

            I would not rush to such a conclusion. Even in their legends it is described that tall, fair-haired people arrived and taught to read and write.
            1. kirieeleyson
              kirieeleyson 14 October 2013 23: 41
              +1
              and the great wall of China stands with loopholes in and not out, as in normal fortified areas. Many all the same, stories were stolen from us ..
              1. Andrey Yuryevich
                Andrey Yuryevich 15 October 2013 05: 58
                +2
                and most of the Wall was completed during the time of Mao.
        3. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 14 October 2013 20: 26
          0
          Quote: Vittt
          Do you know any

          Especially without going into details, in China hieroglyphs, meaning numbers appeared in the II millennium BC. Does this mean anything? This nation is not so simple, although there is no reason to boast about its Nobel laureates, unlike other nations. Gunpowder was invented by a chemist, a compass by a physicist.
      3. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 14 October 2013 16: 49
        +4
        Quote: Asgard
        Well, Honest Jew is really honest)))))
        hi

        Today, honesty is rushing out of it))).

        No, we don’t know how, You’ll draw and then We will draw .......
        wonderful and the future speaks for this nation - a disaster!
      4. GSH-18
        GSH-18 14 October 2013 17: 39
        +5
        Quote from the article: "It is incorrect to believe that this complex is a copy of the Russian S-300."
        Dear author, open your eyes! In the photo of your article, the Chinese clone S-300!
        Well, we read his performance characteristics. What's next? This "good" is not really fired anywhere (a pig in a poke), there are anecdotes about the reliability of Chinese electronics, the latter about the use of this barokhl in Russian missiles, which led to the loss of GLNASS satellites, as well as the purchase of defective Chinese radars by Ecuador.
        Turkey in this adventurous purchase plays Russian roulette. Mad people save on air defense. hi
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 14 October 2013 19: 20
          +4
          Quote: GSH-18
          Quote from the article: "It is incorrect to believe that this complex is a copy of the Russian S-300."
          Dear author, open your eyes!

          What confused me most of all was that they allegedly participated in the tender and lost to the S-400 Chinese laughing are delirious to the masses .. zombie chole? )))
          As you know, the Chinese long-range air defense system HQ-9 "Red Flag" won the Turkish tender T-Loramids, winning the competition American Patriot system, Russian S-400 and European Aster, writes today mil.news.sina.com.cn.

          S-400 is not yet sold on the side until ....
          Russia will start exporting S-400 air defense systems only after it equips its Armed Forces
          1. AlexanderSS
            AlexanderSS 22 February 2015 03: 52
            0
            about C 400 I think a typo, maybe even a truncated 400 would not lose, well, at the price of current.
        2. POCC
          POCC 15 October 2013 18: 52
          0
          That's for sure. Don't chase pop for cheapness.hi hi hi
      5. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx 14 October 2013 18: 03
        +1
        Well, Honest Jew is really honest)))))
        He set the article as a minus. There is a miserable semblance of excuses ..... (And to the Jew +))

        hi Torn from the tongue ...
      6. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 15 October 2013 05: 51
        +2
        In China there is a village (they took me there)) - There absolutely everyone draws paintings by Rembrandt, Dali, Shishkin, Warhal ...... etc. etc.
        Moreover, everyone draws (from small to large))) and Rembrandt to some pictures-draw and draw)))))) laughing laughing There is such a thing .... yes
      7. pashtik
        pashtik 13 August 2016 12: 46
        0
        Well, he himself said that they only know how to copy, and the reasoning does not work for themselves.
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    3. sens99.ru
      sens99.ru 14 October 2013 16: 26
      16
      Which S-300? Nisevo do not know the hermit laughing
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 14 October 2013 17: 19
        12
        Quote: sens99.ru
        no matter copy or not


        Maybe Ivan doesn’t matter to you, but it infuriates me when this is called not Su-27, but domestic Chinese J-11
        1. Turkestan
          Turkestan 15 October 2013 00: 44
          0
          Or An-12 Yu-12
        2. ATATA
          ATATA 15 October 2013 03: 54
          +1
          And why doesn't it infuriate you that Li-2 is Douglas DC-3, and Tu-4 is B-29?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 15 October 2013 08: 36
            +3
            Because we went further and developed our own, and the Chinese are still copying.
    4. Ivan Pavlov
      Ivan Pavlov 14 October 2013 16: 39
      10
      it doesn’t matter if it’s a copy or not. The main thing is that rockets fly and hit the target.
      and most importantly, the Chinese have political will, a reasonable state policy in the field of education. Every year, Chinese youths win prizes at the Physics and Mathematics Olympiads. And that means there is a future, and they will have their own developments purely, which will be too tough for us and Amers
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 14 October 2013 16: 52
        +7
        Quote: Ivan Pavlov
        Every year, Chinese youths win prizes at the Physics and Mathematics Olympiads.


        Olympics are good. Solve puzzles, solve puzzles. Only inventions and technologies among the Russians and Americans both stole and steal. And in the future they will steal.
        1. 0255
          0255 14 October 2013 17: 30
          +2
          Quote: Ivan Pavlov
          it doesn’t matter if it’s a copy or not. The main thing is that rockets fly and hit the target.
          and most importantly, the Chinese have political will, a reasonable state policy in the field of education. Every year, Chinese youths win prizes at the Physics and Mathematics Olympiads. And that means there is a future, and they will have their own developments purely, which will be too tough for us and Amers

          Quote: Vadivak
          Quote: Ivan Pavlov
          Every year, Chinese youths win prizes at the Physics and Mathematics Olympiads.


          Olympics are good. Solve puzzles, solve puzzles. Only inventions and technologies among the Russians and Americans both stole and steal. And in the future they will steal.

          It’s one thing to win an Olympiad in physics and mathematics, another is to create an airplane or an air defense system. Here are purely Chinese developments, clearly copied from something:
          J-8-I, similar to the experimental interceptor E-152 OKB Mikoyan. Do not confuse it with J-7
          1. 0255
            0255 14 October 2013 17: 38
            +2
            and here is the J-8-II, which shows the Su-15. During its development, the Chinese used the MiG-23, donated by the pro-American Egyptian government. The Chinese made J-8 aircraft without Soviet help, but copying could not have done lol
            1. 0255
              0255 14 October 2013 17: 42
              +2
              and here is the J-31, a copy of the F-35. I don’t think that Lockheed-Martin will sell to his probable adversary the technology of his latest fighter, albeit still not brought to mind
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 14 October 2013 20: 39
                +2
                Quote: 0255
                and here is the J-31, a copy of the F-35

                Let me ask, where did the Chinese get the F-35 to copy it? As I understand it, the Americans have not sold a single sample to the side so that we can make such statements.
                And how long ago in the USSR they stopped copying other people's products. Either airplanes, then home appliances, then microchips. German engineers worked in the USSR helping us to repeat the FAA. With rare exceptions, the USSR copied everything.
                VCR VM-12 - a copy of Panasonic on our element base. He cited it as an example.
                1. Mature naturalist
                  Mature naturalist 14 October 2013 22: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  Let me ask, where did the Chinese get the F-35 to copy it?

                  A few years ago, Chevrolet developed a small class A car, but it did not go into production, because the Chinese had released it earlier under the brand name Chery QQ
                  Here is a "cuckoo" ...
                2. 0255
                  0255 14 October 2013 22: 54
                  +1
                  Let me ask, where did the Chinese get the F-35 to copy it? As I understand it, the Americans have not sold a single sample to the side so that we can make such statements.

                  the appearance of the F-35 can be copied according to the drawings. Look at the J-8 that I cited - the Chinese seem to have developed them themselves, but they copied the appearance of the E-152 and Su-15. The same, perhaps, was with the J-31 - such as an independent Chinese development, but with a slant under the F-35.
                  And how long ago in the USSR they stopped copying other people's products. Either airplanes, then home appliances, then microchips. German engineers worked in the USSR helping us to repeat the FAA. With rare exceptions, the USSR copied everything.

                  The Americans also launched their first astronaut on a replica of the Fau. The Germans also helped them with jet planes. Copied the English "Harrier", the "Canberra" bomber under the name B-57. In the F-14 and F-15, the MiG-25 is visible. There is a version that the appearance of the F-22 Lockheed was borrowed from the Soviet project. F-117 was created on the basis of the works of the Russian mathematician Ufimtsev. And here is the E-8 fighter, from which the F-16 was stripped

                  they wanted to call it "MiG-23", its developments were implemented in the MiG-23, which went into production.
                3. v.lyamkin
                  v.lyamkin 15 October 2013 05: 41
                  +1
                  Answers:
                  1. F-35 Chinese copied from a photograph, maybe even this one.
                  2. The USSR stopped copying someone else’s long ago, no later than 1991.
              2. Omskgasmyas
                Omskgasmyas 14 October 2013 20: 45
                +1
                On F-35 it seems like one dvigun. And on this Ketai like 2, or is my vision cheating on me? Although for some forum experts what is 2, what is 1, what's the difference?
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 14 October 2013 22: 49
                  +1
                  The Chinese do not have the right engine power. Therefore, it costs two. Presumably our AL-31.
              3. AVV
                AVV 14 October 2013 20: 52
                +2
                Hackers stole f-35 technology !!! It’s good that they have the same drawbacks as the original !!! Everything is stolen everywhere, China decided to follow the Japanese path, they also stole know-how, new developments, inventions! Well, not China also needs to sell the Su-35, otherwise their face will crack !!!
        2. Grenader
          Grenader 14 October 2013 17: 33
          +2
          So was it worth it to sell it all?
        3. novobranets
          novobranets 14 October 2013 18: 34
          0
          Quote: Vadivak
          Only inventions and technologies among the Russians and Americans both stole and steal.

          What Europe does, Asia fakes. O. Bender.
      2. Gora66
        Gora66 14 October 2013 20: 15
        +1
        To know and be able to make two big differences.
      3. avg
        avg 14 October 2013 23: 28
        +1
        Every year, Chinese youths win prizes at the Physics and Mathematics Olympiads.

        While at the Olympics, the first places are occupied by ours and Indians. I think it will remain so in the foreseeable future. The Chinese here act according to their mentality. While ours are looking for an original and beautiful solution, the Chinese are using the command method, by sorting through memorized template tasks, how computers run options and choose the right one.
        Such thinking is the best suited for in-line production, incl. and copying. But scientific breakthroughs do not have to wait.
        As you know, the Chinese long-range air defense system HQ-9 "Red Flag" won the Turkish tender T-Loramids

        And the HQ-9 SAM, the Chinese, to the Turks, whatever they like, you want for a billion, but you want for a million. It can be cheaper, but then they will not be dyed. bully
        1. POCC
          POCC 15 October 2013 19: 03
          0
          Ile for a penny But then from a tree lol Every whim for your money drinks
      4. POCC
        POCC 15 October 2013 18: 57
        0
        And our .... s in power for a place of reasonable politics do not understand that And the Chinese are well done hi hi
      5. AlexanderSS
        AlexanderSS 22 February 2015 03: 56
        0
        here I agree, the amount goes into quality xs can in 40-50 years and will not be worse rivet. One must be very careful in technology transfer and collaboration.
    5. alone
      alone 14 October 2013 17: 38
      +7
      As is known, the Chinese HQ-9 long-range air defense system “Red Flag” became the winner of the Turkish T-Loramids tender, winning the competition from the American Patriot system, the Russian C-400 and the European Aster, mil.news.sina.com.cn.


      misinformation.s-400 did not participate in the tender.
    6. svp67
      svp67 14 October 2013 17: 58
      +7
      Quote: Honest Jew
      Another Chinese copy !!! Made in Chine !!!

      HQ-9 and C-300. China denies copying charges


      A copy, not a copy, but the fact that the HQ-9 was made using the S-300 solutions, in fact being its modernized version, including the option for the Chinese technological capabilities - ON FACE. And whatever they say, "the sons of the dragon ..."
      1. me
        me 14 October 2013 18: 53
        0
        Right on the face? Are you an expert in this field, have you seen the technical stuffing, etc.?
    7. Yura
      Yura 14 October 2013 18: 36
      +3
      Quote: Honest Jew
      Another Chinese copy !!! Made in Chine !!!

      In this news, although what you noticed probably has a place to be, so in this news the main thing is not written about, but these are questions: why and why, or from whom Turkey was going to defend itself so that its defense would not be simply turned off. If you acquire all the weapons from manufacturers of NATO countries, the conclusion suggests itself, and this conclusion again raises a bunch of questions. Hence the question then why China, probably just Russia they will not sell such weapons to them at the moment. Based on this message, try to determine for yourself the circle of potential opponents of Turkey.
    8. starshina78
      starshina78 14 October 2013 20: 00
      +2
      And do not be shy! If only blushed!
      1. Turkestan
        Turkestan 15 October 2013 00: 49
        +1
        Why blush. Their main task is to equip their army with modern weapons; morality does not interest them. End justifies the means.
    9. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 15 October 2013 00: 29
      +4
      You know, in Sevastopol there was a plant to them. Kalmykova. He made radio communications for ships, about 5 thousand worked there. person. And they made good, even consumer electronics. My acquaintance engineer traveled to China in the early 90s and laughed from their new buildings that were not connected to the sewers. Now we have no factory in this city. They now sell Chinese goods in several supermarkets in the former workshops of the plant. In our city of Sevastopol, new buildings are being built on old communications (thank God they connect to the sewers). So what am I talking about all this ...
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 14 October 2013 13: 56
    11
    cheap chinese fake.

    China denies copying allegations
    and someone expected them to confess?
    1. timurpl
      timurpl 14 October 2013 15: 37
      +5
      Yes, let them buy, whoever would be against it ... Then, let them not complain.
      -That recently one Latin country bought a bunch of radars from them, and then it turned out that they did not work!
  3. fklj
    fklj 14 October 2013 14: 00
    12
    Copywriting nation
    And do not sell them figs!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 14 October 2013 14: 43
      10
      Quote: fklj
      And do not sell them figs!

      Missiles must be made not collapsible. When trying to open, self-blowing. The only way.
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 14 October 2013 14: 58
        +5
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: fklj
        And do not sell them figs!

        Missiles must be made not collapsible. When trying to open, self-blowing. The only way.


        they are such - non-separable. a billion Chinese. they want to be labeled for molecules apart from losses.
        1. Airman
          Airman 14 October 2013 17: 16
          +2
          Quote: Geisenberg
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: fklj
          And do not sell them figs!

          Missiles must be made not collapsible. When trying to open, self-blowing. The only way.


          they are such - non-separable. a billion Chinese. they want to be labeled for molecules apart from losses.

          Let at least a million gather around her, anyway the rocket MUST EXPLODE! Or, during an unauthorized opening, important control units burn out. Against copyists this is the only method.
      2. POCC
        POCC 15 October 2013 19: 05
        0
        drinks Precisely vigorous charge yes
    2. Airman
      Airman 14 October 2013 17: 09
      +5
      Quote: fklj
      Copywriting nation
      And do not sell them figs!

      Quote: fklj
      The Chinese complex has a maximum firing range of about 125 km, the height of the target being hit is 18000 m, the average range of destruction is from 7 to 50 km at altitudes from 1000 to 18000 m

      Pay attention to the average range from 7 to 50 km, that is, the complex does not even reach the far. I, as Pvoshnika, was very surprised. Therefore, even up to the S-300PMU, he falls short.
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 14 October 2013 17: 53
      +2
      Quote: fklj
      Copywriting nation
      And do not sell them figs!

      Our Su-35s want to push them! Note the time, in a couple of months China will have (like two drops of water similar to a Su-35) some sort of J-16, etc. PURE CHINESE PRODUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT! request
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 14 October 2013 18: 30
        +6
        Quote: GSH-18
        Quote: fklj
        Copywriting nation
        And do not sell them figs!

        Our Su-35s want to push them! Note the time, in a couple of months China will have (like two drops of water similar to a Su-35) some sort of J-16, etc. PURE CHINESE PRODUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT! request

        With all due respect, you are exaggerating the Chinese possibilities. He will not appear in a couple of months, and even a couple of years looks too optimistic. Here, it’s more likely that about 5 years only the glider and avionics will go away, and dviglo will most likely be bought in Russia. The saddest thing is that in Russia there will certainly be idols that they will sell, and they will also be proud that they export high-tech products. But having turned on the brains, they themselves could have sold whole planes to some thread conditional Pakistan, instead of the Chinese.
        But the loss of a potential export market is not so bad. The trouble will be when the Chinese decide that they are strong enough to, as they say, "restore historical justice" and "liberate the original Chinese lands" almost to the Urals. Soviet and Russian developments will play a significant role in this, because they have only green tea of ​​their own development and also quotation books of "Great Helmsman" Mao - almost the most important piece of equipment for every Chinese serviceman.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 14 October 2013 20: 15
          +3
          Quote: Nagan
          With all due respect, you are exaggerating the Chinese possibilities. He will not appear in a couple of months, and even a couple of years looks too optimistic. Here, it’s more likely that about 5 years only the glider and avionics will go away, and dviglo will most likely be bought in Russia. The saddest thing is that in Russia there will certainly be idiots who will sell, and they will also be proud that they export products. But having turned on the brains, they themselves could have sold whole planes to some thread conditional Pakistan, instead of the Chinese.
          But the loss of a potential export market is not so bad. The trouble will be when the Chinese decide that they are strong enough to, as they say, "restore historical justice" and "liberate the original Chinese lands" almost to the Urals. Soviet and Russian developments will play a significant role in this, because they have only green tea of ​​their own development and also quotation books of "Great Helmsman" Mao - almost the most important piece of equipment for every Chinese serviceman.

          A couple of months is a hypothetical period.
          I absolutely agree with all your post to the last word!
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 14 October 2013 22: 57
          +1
          The trouble will be when the Chinese decide that they are strong enough to, as they say, "restore historical justice" and "liberate the original Chinese lands" almost to the Urals.

          There are some doubts that they will decide on this. For in the event of the intervention of China, everything from the Urals to the Sea of ​​Japan will be a radioactive desert. I can exaggerate a little, but this probability is high. The Chinese are not really fools to rush into a country with nuclear weapons (and mostly tactical), even a billion-dollar army.
        3. POCC
          POCC 15 October 2013 19: 08
          0
          But there are no brains for our fertilizer ideas anyway lol Catch plus
  4. piotr534
    piotr534 14 October 2013 14: 07
    +9
    The donkey is understandable, it was created on the basis of the S-300, something was modified and now they give it away as their own. The usual Chinese song!
  5. major071
    major071 14 October 2013 14: 12
    26
    But the differences are striking.

    We take a bicycle. We put the wheels of a smaller diameter, another steering wheel, and the call from the right side is transferred to the left, the trunk is moved forward, and we install the front brake. Hooray! We invented our own bike! laughing
    1. starhina01
      starhina01 14 October 2013 23: 59
      +2
      We put the wheels of a larger diameter. The steering wheel is different. we transfer the call from the left side to the right. Instead of the trunk from the front we put the basket well and know how the disc brake from the moped. Hurray, we also invented our own bicycle laughing You +++ great idea drinks
  6. WIN969
    WIN969 14 October 2013 14: 15
    +8
    When China says that it does not copy, it sounds as absurd as if the Japanese would prove that he is not Asian. laughing
  7. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 14 October 2013 14: 18
    +9
    rank, she is the rank! and go control processors also a rank? then I don’t envy the Turks!
    And they also stink like all Chinese toys? !!! 1 smile
  8. AlexAl
    AlexAl 14 October 2013 14: 21
    +9
    (used in SAM KS-1A, power 300 MHz)

    Range 300 Parrots
    frequency 500
    fellow
    1. AlexAl
      AlexAl 14 October 2013 14: 40
      +6
      each antenna consists of 1000 or more phase shifters, average radiation power 60 kW, peak power 1 MW

      I won’t get 300 MHz!
      I won’t get 300 MW!
      What is 300?

      average radiation power 60 kW - one of phase shifters?
      And how many antennas then? can 300?
      1. 528Obrp
        528Obrp 14 October 2013 14: 47
        +3
        This is the Chinese. They have different concepts. So they took and received.
        Quote: AlexAl
        the average radiation power of 60 kW - one of the phase shifters?
        Yes, there, with such an average power of one phase shifter, sparks will fly between the PAR elements.
    2. POCC
      POCC 15 October 2013 19: 10
      +1
      bully and the parrots are small drinks
  9. 528Obrp
    528Obrp 14 October 2013 14: 22
    +3
    Quote: Baron Wrangel
    мощность 300 MHz)

    Yeah ..
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 14 October 2013 15: 08
      +3
      Quote: 528Obrp
      power 300 MHz)
      Yeah ..

      The Chinese have their own units, do you remember Chinese 600 W radio tape recorders? :)
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 14 October 2013 17: 58
      +3
      Power 300 megahertz - this cool nasaynika !! laughing laughing laughing
  10. 528Obrp
    528Obrp 14 October 2013 14: 34
    +3
    frequency 500, at that frequency
    Quote: 528Obrp
    power 300 MHz)
    and such power
    very easy to achieve a detection range of 800 barrels / day
  11. 528Obrp
    528Obrp 14 October 2013 14: 43
    +2
    And what power source should provide at a peak of 1 mW? And what is it done on?
    1. AlexAl
      AlexAl 14 October 2013 14: 45
      +4
      The system will permanently guard the Turkish speakers. Along the way, leaving the citizens of Turkey without light. There will be more than one system!
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 14 October 2013 18: 04
      +2
      This crap gives out such power before death, at the moment of hit of an anti-radar missile! laughing Last squeak lol
  12. Geokingxnumx
    Geokingxnumx 14 October 2013 14: 44
    +2
    mdaa! In copying technology, there are no better Chinese!
  13. AlexAl
    AlexAl 14 October 2013 14: 51
    +1
    Presumably we are talking about 300 MT in TNT equivalent.
    The system has small rockets to distract attention, and at this time the pilots are balding, and round eggs become square on the floor of the sixth. Then it’s clear why 300 - so that unfinished (not finished) would not fly away!
    1. POCC
      POCC 15 October 2013 19: 23
      0
      smile baked square on the sixth floor laughing
  14. 0255
    0255 14 October 2013 14: 55
    +1
    As you know, the Chinese long-range air defense missile system HQ-9 “Red Flag” won the Turkish T-Loramids tender, having won the tender against the American Patriot system, the Russian S-400 and the European Aster, mil.news.sina.com.cn writes today.

    so they have riots like in Syria, which is probably why they took a cheaper air defense system. Let the Chinese "Kalash" buy for their army - and the rebels will win the civil war wassat
  15. Snipe 74
    Snipe 74 14 October 2013 14: 56
    +6
    China is such a friend who is worse than 10 enemies. Very, I really do not believe in their friendship. And unscrupulous competition is just beginning, taught on their own head.
    1. Airman
      Airman 14 October 2013 17: 22
      +3
      Quote: Snipe 74
      China is such a friend who is worse than 10 enemies. Very, I really do not believe in their friendship. And unscrupulous competition is just beginning, taught on their own head.

      They also launched it in the Far East and Siberia; soon there will be more of them there than the local residents.
      1. POCC
        POCC 15 October 2013 19: 33
        0
        Fifth colona however soldier soldier An optimist teaches English, a pessemist Chinese and a realist Kalashnikov assault rifle. We learn materiel, but we need to start with our own power.... With your own thought exclusively about your pocket
  16. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 October 2013 15: 02
    +4
    Beijing began the creation of its own HQ-9 complex, copying lasted almost 15 years.
    It’s worse if you learn in a year ... Well, you jerk! laughing
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  18. ilya63
    ilya63 14 October 2013 15: 04
    +3
    That's what you raised the stench to heaven, they can copy, it means they can (the economy allows), but ours cannot (because there is practically no industry) they could not even copy the UAV for a very long time, what can we say about the auto industry (I won’t give it to others either ), and about all the cries on the air about fakes, so China put everything on it and did it right, otherwise they came up with some copyrights, and economic espionage has always existed, you can not only copy but improve, supplement and launch in mass production and even to send all to to hell and sell an improved copy on the foreign market in this they (Chinese) are great, more than half the world go in Chinese clothes, drive Chinese cars and other vehicles and use computers and gadgets based on them, production in China, so let's not Yes, and the quality of factory products in China is at a decent level (steel is shit and the rest of lotions and technologies are quite at the level), we need to learn from them, and not sell our resources for nothing and scream that everything is fine with us, Putin and the party with us and we are ahead of the rest (p about thieves probably per capita)
    1. 0255
      0255 14 October 2013 15: 20
      +3
      more than half of the world go in Chinese clothes

      mostly sewn in basements in unsanitary conditions. Fold the Chinese shirt in half and see how crooked it is sewn
      use computers and gadgets based on them production-china

      It is one thing - electronics of eminent companies, for example Samsung, LG, Sony, etc., which are assembled in China, and another thing - purely Chinese companies, unknown to anyone, which "mow" the floor of decent brands. Chinese fakes are both buggy and inferior in quality to absolutely everything. There is good China, but it is in the minority
      1. Airman
        Airman 14 October 2013 17: 30
        +1
        Quote: 0255
        Chinese fakes are both buggy and inferior in quality to absolutely everything. There is good China, but it is in the minority

        On the contrary, bad China is in the majority, there are already more than 1 billion 300 million copyists, and the worst thing is that they copy only themselves.
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 14 October 2013 18: 51
        +1
        Quote: 0255
        There is good China, but it is in the minority

        Good China is stoned China. It was not in vain that the local people "convinced" the Chinese government not to interfere with the import of opium into China. By the way, they convinced quite easily, since muzzle-loading flint muskets and wooden (don't laugh, these are exactly what were in service with the Chinese imperial army) cannons are rather weak counterarguments against breech-loading rifles and artillery.
        1. BBM
          BBM 15 October 2013 05: 22
          0
          Well, so to speak, the representative of the most humane democratic nation volunteered. Of course, I understand that the Chinese are not people for you. As well as Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and other natives. But you confused a little is not an American site.
        2. BBM
          BBM 15 October 2013 06: 32
          +1
          By the way, it is this Britashka (mother of two children) who is behind the seizure of the shopping center in Nairobi, absolutely monstrous in cruelty (comparable only to Beslan). And somehow it happened that just on the eve of the next visit of the local president (not creeping to the west, besides) to China. Samantha Lewithwaite is a "white widow" in person. Although she would be more suitable for the nickname of another arachnid - Black Widow. This is really a fake passport. I wanted to find a sample of her photo on a British passport - and figurines, Google, even without understanding, I don’t know of such images. So the Naglo-Saxons are all the same Naglo-Saxons, for almost two hundred years their morals have not changed much.
    2. Proud.
      Proud. 14 October 2013 15: 46
      +5
      Quote: ilya63
      that's what you stench raised to heaven

      Apply your statement about yourself. Do not stink, amiable, not stink, but a natural, sincere and fair indignation. The ranks of the ssa are in the eye, and they all have tea of ​​the highest grades. In the USSR, S-75 was changed to 300s in the second half of 80 -h.On a fundamentally different scheme (vertical launch of an anti-aircraft missile), the world has never heard of either. And the China of the 90s, this is not China of the 2000s. It's about the Chinese recognized copywriters (copywriters, copy-paste) of the finished products, for the most part, but not technologies. Which, to the Chinese wall, their own technologies!
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 14 October 2013 16: 58
        +4
        Quote: Be proud.
        The ranks of the pisses in the eye, and they all have top-grade tea


        These two products should have good vision support, but no.
        Quote: Be proud.
        .In the USSR S-75, changed to 300 matches in the second half of the 80s

        According to the recollection of friends who worked on them, the equipment was out of order even out of = a draft. How much was spent on debugging forces is horrible.

        Quote: Be proud.
        What, to the Chinese wall, their technology!


        Ram the land in half with the builders and lay it over with bricks. They are still building this way. And Tajiks are taught this.
        1. Proud.
          Proud. 14 October 2013 17: 19
          +2
          Quote: Vadivak
          According to the recollection of friends who worked on them, the equipment was out of order even out of = a draft. How much was spent on debugging forces is horrible.

          I do not argue. It just infuriates when the Chinese stupidly deny their improved technologies and theft, passing them off as "dormant thousand-year wisdom."
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 15 October 2013 08: 37
          +1
          Quote: Vadivak
          Ram the land in half with the builders and lay it over with bricks. They are still building this way. And Tajiks are taught this.

          Smiley, thanks! laughing
          But you are right to disgrace! 100%
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 14 October 2013 18: 58
        +1
        Quote: Be proud.
        .What to the Chinese wall, its technology!

        1000 Chinese with files replace the milling machine.
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 14 October 2013 18: 18
      0
      Quote: ilya63
      not only copy but improve, complement and launch into mass production

      Another adherent of Chinese fakes.
      Dear, fake, by definition, can not be better than the original is an axiom. Since its production requires significantly less money, and it is done not so that people use it, but in order to be able to sell it in large quantities, due to the difference in price. There are a lot of mean people in the world. And the Americans have taught PR to this guano (fake) of the Chinese.
      1. ilya63
        ilya63 15 October 2013 00: 04
        0
        gsh-18 I am not an adherent of Chinese consumer goods as you put it and you don’t have to pull certain pieces from the offers, they make fakes for the rest of the suckers and at the same time they put a hell on all sorts of copyrights and international agreements, many of which appeared with the development of economic espionage , read the whole article conceptualized and then something mug
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 15 October 2013 08: 16
          +1
          Quote: ilya63
          read the whole article comprehend and then something mug


          More respect. I don’t poke you.
          And I do not burst, as you put it, but I speak normally, and for each word I can answer reasonably.
          I myself rushed to buy Chinese industrial goods, that's why: I bought myself a new computer about 7 years ago, and a year later all Chinese-made spare parts in it safely went to another world (1 year passed a new Chinese record) including a hard drive! Replaced everything with normal manufacturers (Korea, Japan, states) -6 years normal flight! And I would immediately buy a normal system unit, and there were no problems! And why? Yes, I wanted to save money. Miserliness (as you know, avaricious pays twice). So it turns out that buying Chinese equipment in the end comes out more expensive than high-quality! So that yes
  19. Sergeant
    Sergeant 14 October 2013 15: 04
    +1
    ... HQ-9 "Red Flag" became the winner of the Turkish T-Loramids tender, having won the competition against the American Patriot system, the Russian S-400 and the European Aster ...


    There is probably a mistake in the article: Not S-400, but S-300 (export version).
    I doubt that Russia could offer the S-400.
    1. pint45
      pint45 14 October 2013 15: 28
      0
      It was the case that the Chinese did 40 pieces of rockets for the S-300-Deribas and trash, but they did not receive the essence of all the information.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 October 2013 17: 02
      +1
      Quote: Sergeant
      I doubt that Russia could offer the S-400.


      Already. Only not Russia. The Russian government has proposed that China buy the S-400 after 2017. By then they will be finished, debugged and sold. And 4 years will not fly by.
      1. 0255
        0255 14 October 2013 17: 20
        0
        Quote: Vadivak
        Quote: Sergeant
        I doubt that Russia could offer the S-400.


        Already. Only not Russia. The Russian government has proposed that China buy the S-400 after 2017. By then they will be finished, debugged and sold. And 4 years will not fly by.

        no words, only expressions belay for which they will ban me ...
    3. Airman
      Airman 14 October 2013 17: 36
      0
      Quote: Sergeant


      There is probably a mistake in the article: Not S-400, but S-300 (export version).
      I doubt that Russia could offer the S-400.

      That's right, ours offered the S-400, apparently the thirst for profit was overshadowed by the mind. I don’t know for what reason they replaced it with the S-300.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 14 October 2013 22: 59
        +1
        Weren't those C-400 trimmed versions?
  20. Mr. Gambu4aS
    Mr. Gambu4aS 14 October 2013 15: 32
    +3
    We don’t copy China's from the bottom, you have a Russian penis that’s balsa, but we have a Chinese one that’s very small, how can we cap it?))) (South Park)
    1. Rezun
      Rezun 14 October 2013 20: 32
      +4
      Quote: Mr. Gambu4aS
      We don’t copy China's from the bottom, you have a Russian penis that’s balsa, but we have a Chinese one that’s very small, how can we cap it?))) (South Park)

      ... we cessno subscribe ...
  21. Cherdak
    Cherdak 14 October 2013 15: 34
    +5
    Quote: Asgard
    China denies copying allegations


    I immediately remembered the old American comedy "Coming to America" ​​- when Cleo McDowell, the owner of the McDowell bistro chain, rejected McDonald's claims to copy the trademark with resentment: "They have golden arches, but I have golden arches!"

    Cleo McDowell: Look ... me and the McDonald's people got this little misunderstanding. See, they're McDonald's ... I'm McDowell's. They got the Golden Arches, mine is the Golden Arcs. They got the Big Mac, I got the Big Mick. We both got two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles and onions, but their buns have sesame seeds. My buns have no seeds.
  22. Bergman
    Bergman 14 October 2013 15: 36
    0
    The Americans are against Turkey building its air defense system from these Chinese systems.
  23. Wedmak
    Wedmak 14 October 2013 15: 49
    +1
    But the differences are striking.

    Of course they rush !! They have a file of the Chinese system! In the garage, you can also assemble a Mercedes from Mercedes spare parts. And even in some places to improve them. But from this he will not cease to be a copy. So they copied as best they could ... for 15 years ...
  24. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 14 October 2013 16: 03
    +1
    There is a plus here, in this Chinese copy. Just copy, it means they can’t create anything.
  25. Day 11
    Day 11 14 October 2013 16: 04
    +7
    Well, let's see how it flies in China. Please note, this is exactly the Chinese clone S-300
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 14 October 2013 16: 22
      +3
      Quote: Den 11
      see how it flies in

      and is it kuda with such tricks? Yeah, no target will run away from such maneuvering belay
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 14 October 2013 16: 33
      +2
      Oh .... super maneuverability! wink Well, not all of us mace scare people. Although what comparisons are there ...
    3. scientist
      scientist 14 October 2013 16: 40
      +1
      Failure of one of the guidance loops. It also happens here, but very rarely. The rackets are raw at all, apparently the electronics are not designed for serious overloads, and the engine is rather weak and smoky.
    4. IGS
      IGS 14 October 2013 18: 47
      +3
      Beautiful .. All the same, the Chinese know their job, they know how to make firecrackers .. wassat and if desired, they will give them any form, even rockets, even an airplane, even a sewing machine.
    5. GSH-18
      GSH-18 14 October 2013 20: 34
      +2
      Yeah, flies, get hurt! Well, at least the Chinese themselves did not hit! laughing
      However, these guano did not get into anything in this video. New Chinese very expensive fireworks wassat
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 14 October 2013 22: 44
        +2
        By the way, the thought arose - what if it just hit it? At some sort of birdie .. accidentally ?! The goal is eliminated! laughing
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 15 October 2013 07: 51
          +1
          Quote: Wedmak
          By the way, the thought arose - what if it just hit it? At some sort of birdie .. accidentally ?! The goal is eliminated! laughing

          Well, will they lie in a bird? And a couple of germs hit for sure! laughing The world's first antimicrobial RZS! Made in Shina!
  26. Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 14 October 2013 16: 06
    0
    HQ-9 “Red Flag” became the winner of the Turkish T-Loramids tender, having won the competition against the American Patriot system, the Russian S-400 and the European Aster, mil.news.sina.com.cn writes today.


    But what about the statement that the S-400 will not be exported until they re-equip the domestic air defense forces?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 14 October 2013 16: 38
      0
      Unfortunately, C-400 covers only Moscow. Already covers. As for the rest .... well, as usual, Antey C-350 is likely to get it. So the promises ... these are the promises.
  27. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 14 October 2013 16: 11
    +1
    300 MHz is cool) by RUN TO SCHOOL !!!
  28. Cherdak
    Cherdak 14 October 2013 16: 14
    +6
    Quote: Sergei Medvedev
    Just copy, it means they can’t create anything.


    There is only one big nuisance - they copy and sell much CHEAPER than create unhealthy competition.

    Too lazy to look for the source, but here is someone else's description of the fight against such arrogant piracy:

    "In the late 40s, the Japanese raised shipbuilding (and, in fact, created anew) and took" for trial "ship designs from the British. They copied all the documentation, returned with gratitude but free of charge, built according to the documentation, the ship according to the Admiral Nelson project was called" Fukuoka-maru "and launched.

    On one of the copied ships there was an engine, in the side of which a cavity was drilled (casting defect) and a metal patch was screwed onto four bolts. The English designer of this ship somehow got on the Japanese take of his ship and found an engine with a patch.
    And the next time, the Japanese received a ship project, and again refused to purchase the project as unnecessary.
    And when the Japanese ship was lowered into the water, it turned upside down with its keel, for the ship's center of gravity was above the waterline. The Japanese project manager made himself a hara-kiri. "(C) Advanced
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 14 October 2013 16: 36
      +2
      There is only one big nuisance - they copy and sell much CHEAPER than create unhealthy competition.

      No one is against copying if this is done under license or in joint development. And Russia copied in due time, but she bought licenses for production! Often paying in gold. And these produced copies were only the basis for their own development. And not cuts of the existing design.
    2. Dovmont
      Dovmont 14 October 2013 16: 53
      0
      This story dates back to the end of the XNUMXth century, when England intensively prepared Japan for a war with Russia.
  29. scientist
    scientist 14 October 2013 16: 36
    +2
    China won the tender only because it was the only one of the bidders who agreed to fully transfer the technology and cooperate in further improving the air defense systems. Obviously the copy is not its own, it’s not a pity. Then they will copy and sell it, it’s cheaper than trying and developing it yourself.
    For Turkey, the minimum price + full transfer of technology is a key condition. And they themselves will achieve the required quality slowly
  30. Commander
    Commander 14 October 2013 16: 36
    +1
    The Chinese are well done !!! During the night, files can grind any copy, including missiles !!! Them there is darkness !!!! lol
  31. Alexei
    Alexei 14 October 2013 16: 36
    0
    HQ-9 “Red Flag” became the winner of the Turkish T-Loramids tender, having won the competition with the American Patriot system, the Russian C-400 and the European Aster
    They also won against everyone. And why did you win, because cheap like all Chinese products?
  32. taseka
    taseka 14 October 2013 16: 52
    0
    Yes, everything is clear to everyone, and quarreling, well, no matter how we can’t!
  33. alexpro66
    alexpro66 14 October 2013 17: 34
    +2
    What nonsense ?? How long did the S-400 take part in the tender? Where does this information from the author come from ???? Does he even understand what the S-400 system is ??? There is little that the Turks are considering !! And who will sell them ?? WITH THE SAME SUCCESS, YOU CAN WRITE THAT WE POST ON THE TENDER AND "Poplar" -Turks are also interested in buying them, and even a lot of Arab countries)) !!! Here is a quote
    “We are actually conducting market research on the possibility of S-400 deliveries in the future, but we can’t talk about any deliveries at present,” RIA Novosti quotes a Rosoboronexport representative.

    Yes, and five years at least they will conduct their marketing research))))
    1. alone
      alone 14 October 2013 17: 46
      +3
      laughing did you want the Chinese to write that they won the tender with s-300v?
      you need to somehow advertise your product.
  34. dimon-media
    dimon-media 14 October 2013 17: 43
    0
    Oh, these Xeroxes! That is, the Chinese laughing miserable likeness on the S-300. Compared to all technical specifications. It did not work out to create an analogue to our air defense systems, even resorting to copying. On the other hand, let it be inferior, but it your air defense system! Down and Out trouble started! I have no doubt that they will not stop there. Then they will create better than this, their firstborn.

    Z.Y. I ask the Chinese not to be offended that they dubbed them xeroxes))) I did not pick up other words laughing
  35. wolk71
    wolk71 14 October 2013 17: 45
    +2
    Create a copy and write one TTX on a piece of paper, but can this copy compete with the original? S-27 was copied, but there is no sense in making the engine, it is too weak, so I heard. They made an AK copy, but there’s not enough material to make the trunk of the mind, so it spits after the first horn.
  36. Alexasmi
    Alexasmi 14 October 2013 17: 52
    +1
    It is reliably known that at least one of the S-300PS complexes from the first delivery was completely disassembled by the Chinese and examined "under a microscope." It is also no secret that at one time KB "Almaz" made at least part of the software for the Chinese counterpart. So, of course, the Chinese HQ-9 is not a complete copy of the C-300PS, but made on the basis and using those. three hundred solutions on its (Chinese) hardware base.
    1. kopleev
      kopleev 14 October 2013 19: 12
      0
      The important thing is not that they copied the C300, but how the Chinese did it. The USSR also plagiarized in this area, an example of the P-25 copied from AIM 7E Sparrow. Only ICD Pennant, a copy was technically more perfect than the original. I doubt the Chinese.
  37. Technologist
    Technologist 14 October 2013 18: 14
    +1
    Yes, copy and how. For example, there is such a device in trucks, buses - a digital tachograph (for those who don’t know, this is a device for controlling the driver’s work and rest), and so it’s designed so that if it is disassembled, it breaks down, but it’s narrow-eyed something not in the house))). An experimental batch was installed on the Chinese auto industry, after some claim:
    - You delivered us non-working devices!
    And why do you think so? ....that's it)))))
  38. TTX
    TTX 14 October 2013 18: 17
    +2
    Obviously something else ... They study ... In conditions when the growing potential no one erases in the sand due to the fact that it is growing (excuse me: "who needs a growing") they have a real chance to acquire the skill of a manufacturer of a full-fledged weapon ...
  39. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 14 October 2013 18: 29
    +1
    We need to rejoice that a country from the NATO bloc, a country potentially hostile to Russia - Turkey - bought Chinese junk.
  40. Max79
    Max79 14 October 2013 18: 39
    +1
    The Americans themselves do not sell some samples of military equipment even to their allies. And we, that ... a Cossack will rush at the tank with a saber. Surely there is already a copy of the S-500, which will be released earlier than the original of ours ... and it will be not surprisingly in a country that is corrupt ... it's a shame, someone develops a gnome, doesn’t eat up his brains, and “effective managers” cut the loot.
  41. sxn278619
    sxn278619 14 October 2013 18: 42
    +1
    We must take an example from China, copy the four core processor and VLSI.
  42. kopleev
    kopleev 14 October 2013 18: 56
    +1
    The fact that the Chinese gunsmiths copied the C300 is clear as "god's day". Well, let them copy the complex of the last generation. The fact that Rossvooruzhenie sells technologies abroad, which are then studied and used in their own developments by countries such as China, is certainly not encouraging. But it should be noted that a significant part of the funds received from the sale of weapons goes to the maintenance of the military-industrial complex of Russia. In our difficult times, only with good funding can advanced weapons be developed.
  43. slovak007
    slovak007 14 October 2013 19: 06
    0
    And the author did not mess up with the dimension of the antenna power?
  44. slovak007
    slovak007 14 October 2013 19: 10
    +1
    Chinese Kalashnikov and domestic are two different things. Even if they copied, it’s not a fact that qualitatively.
    1. waisson
      waisson 14 October 2013 19: 38
      +3
      in Serbia, we preferred Chinese than Romanian or Bulgarian Kalashnik; the Chinese turned out to be more hardy in metal than in the listed states
  45. Alexasmi
    Alexasmi 14 October 2013 19: 38
    0
    Quote: Povshnik
    Quote: Sergeant


    There is probably a mistake in the article: Not S-400, but S-300 (export version).
    I doubt that Russia could offer the S-400.

    That's right, ours offered the S-400, apparently the thirst for profit was overshadowed by the mind. I don’t know for what reason they replaced it with the S-300.

    Well, ours could not offer the S-400, because there is still no export option. The Turks were offered S-300VM - a complex not intended for covering stationary objects. Therefore, it is completely logical that the Turks did not even consider such a proposal.
  46. gaikin13
    gaikin13 14 October 2013 19: 42
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    Local gentlemen, according to your comments, you can see that you did not hold the original Chinese things in your hands! smile There the quality is EXTREMELY decent!
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 14 October 2013 23: 06
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      Held. Decent quality. Huawei smartphones are very decent devices ... but also not without copying, industrial espionage, and more.
  47. waisson
    waisson 14 October 2013 19: 42
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    but if about the S-300 we’re not guilty, the Chinese will tell you you yourself have instigated us, we turned yours and created ours
  48. SAG
    SAG 14 October 2013 19: 43
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    As you know, the Chinese long-range air defense system HQ-9 “Red Flag” became the winner of the Turkish T-Loramids tender, having won the competition with the American Patriot system, Russian S-400 and European Aster, writes today mil.news.sina.com.cn.

    belay what??? maybe we C-500 immediately put up for tender and even C-600that really trifle then!?! fellow
  49. Selevc
    Selevc 14 October 2013 19: 46
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    Those who strongly criticize China for copying - probably they don’t know their own history - the very USSR did not hesitate to copy the most modern types of weapons ... Tu-4 is a copy of B-29, our R1 missile is a copy of German Fau-2, ours the Kalashnikov assault rifle absorbed a lot from the German Sturmgever ...
    And China also copies - and if someone copies something, it means that this weapon is very modern and the design idea in it is very progressive ...
    And just don’t think that if you use Chinese consumer goods, they can do just that - they do what our businessmen buy from them ... And the law of our business is known to the whole world - a minimum of investments and a maximum of profit ... That’s it to us on the market such dubious goods - such as crookedly sewed T-shirts and disposable bicycles :)))
    1. gaikin13
      gaikin13 14 October 2013 20: 09
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      Yes, it’s being taken to our country from China! Chinese original products are VERY high quality! good
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 14 October 2013 20: 25
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        In China, there are very high-quality things and goods, and there are many of them ... Only in our market it is less profitable to trade expensive goods at cost - expensive goods are designed for a narrower population - therefore, their payback is much longer ...

        Therefore, for example, it is much more profitable to bring 1000 tin and cheapest Chinese bicycles and quickly selling them to make a profit than bringing 100 expensive and high-quality ones and trying to sell them ...
        And modern flexible production is designed for any customer - you need bicycles at a cost price of $ 500 - please - they will do it as needed for the entire technology - you need $ 50 each. - please - twist quickly from Mr. "candy" !!! :)))
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 14 October 2013 23: 13
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      The Tu-4 is a copy of the B-29, our R1 missile is a copy of the German Fau-2, our Kalashnikov assault rifle absorbed a lot from the German Sturmgever ...

      The first flying copies were indeed copies. In those days, no one hesitated to tyrit other people's developments. Only OUR developments and OWN devices went further. Head and shoulders above the "originals".
      Threat.
      Tu-4 merged 1: 1 on the orders of Stalin, in addition to engines, weapons and a radio station, the P1 was also structurally different from the Fau-2, Kalashnikov only looked like a Sturm ...
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