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Customs Union. Facts and Figures

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August 2013. Donetsk (Ukraine). Rally. Agenda: the entry of Ukraine into the Customs Union.


September 2013. Ceadir-Lunga (Moldavia). Rally. Agenda: joining the Customs Union.

September 2013. Comrat (Moldavia). Rally. Agenda: joining the Customs Union.

September 2013. Belgrade (Serbia). Representatives of three Serbian parties at once spoke in favor of rejecting European integration and beginning negotiations on joining the Customs Union with Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan.

2012-2013. The Pridnestrovskaia Moldavskaia Respublika. The work of the organizing committee to hold a referendum on the accession of the Transdnistrian Moldavian Republic to the Customs Union

October 2013. Crimea (Ukraine). Rallies under the slogan "Ukraine for Russia - brothers, for Europe - slaves" for holding a referendum on Ukraine’s accession to the Customs Union.

October 2013. Kharkiv (Ukraine). Initiative to hold a referendum on Ukraine joining the Customs Union.

For the time being, the official authorities (except for the PMR) of the states in which rallies and other events are held in support of their entry into the Customs Union with Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan do not pay special attention to speeches and initiatives. They do not pay, mainly because they fear the wrath of European “friends” who want to keep Eastern “partners” on a short leash and at the same time do everything to ensure that the full-fledged (mutually beneficial) integration of these “partners” with the EU does not take place. The task of the top of the European Union today is to get new markets for products of European companies, at the same time blocking supply markets inside their territorial entity from Moldovan, Ukrainian, Serbian and other states called for “European integration”, dictating their conditions to Kiev, Chisinau, Belgrade.

Inside these and other states, groups are artificially created whose task is to demonize not only the fact of the possible entry of these countries into the Customs Union, but also this union itself. For example, a rally was recently held in Armenia, which was actively covered by DeutscheWelle and was organized by the defeated presidential race Raffi Hovhannisian, who lost in his time, telling the audience that, say, the Customs Union is a bondage for Yerevan that will force Armenia to say goodbye to independence forever and turn the “flowering state” into backward economic backyards. In general, the rhetoric, which can impress only the very impressionable, and those of them who are absolutely not familiar with the structure of the Customs Union, or with the principles of work, or with those economic indicators, which shows the vehicle.

Customs Union. Facts and Figures


Therefore, it is worth mentioning in greater detail the “digital” part of the work of the Customs Union and outlining the main priorities for the existence of this economic territorial unit.

So, today there are three states in the Customs Union: Belarus, Kazakhstan, and the Russian Federation, uniting a huge, almost 170-million market. The concept of "Customs Union" in this case means the presence of a single customs tariff, a unified system of economic protective measures, a unified system of sanitary, phytosanitary and veterinary control, a unified system for regulating relations with foreign markets. In other words, a wide variety of goods without any customs obstacles can move across a vast territory from Minsk to Vladivostok. This allows you to free up huge funds and save a lot of time. During the existence of the Customs Union, and this is just 3 of the year, the turnover of goods between the countries in the union has grown by almost a third, the trade turnover between the states has significantly increased. If we express the turnover figures in absolute figures, then in each case bilateral economic contacts reached record levels: thus, the trade turnover between Kazakhstan and Russia amounts to 770 billion rubles, between Kazakhstan and Belarus - almost 30 billion rubles, between Russia and Belarus - almost 1,5 trillion rubles. This is despite the fact that, for example, in 2008-2009, the trade turnover between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus amounted to 850 billion rubles. Almost double the growth in 4-5 years! Moreover, the bulk of this growth comes at the time of integration into the Customs Union. This more than clearly confirms the fact of a high economic return from such integration.

In terms of trade turnover with Russia, Belarus entered the 6 place among the main trade partners of the Russian Federation, having surpassed such countries as Poland, the USA, Turkey and Japan in just a couple of years. Ahead are still difficult to reach China, Holland and Germany, but Italy and Ukraine, according to some economists, Belarus in terms of turnover with the Russian Federation can overtake already in the next two years. The other day, the Ukrainian side noted the sharpest drop in commodity turnover between the Russian Federation and Ukraine over the past two decades - 25% in the eight months of this year. As they say, Belarus will not be able to overtake, so the Ukrainian president will help, bringing trade relations with the Russian Federation to such a deplorable state, which was not even during the presidency of Viktor Yushchenko.

Starting from 1 in January, 2014 will also eliminate oil duties, which will be a withdrawal of the latest trade restrictions. In principle, such agreements on hydrocarbons exist today (calculated on limited volumes) - on gas. Thus, gas is supplied to consumers inside the vehicle at a single tariff, taking into account the price increase for its delivery: closer to the fields - cheaper, farther from them - respectively, more expensive (for example, today consumers in the Kaliningrad region receive gas even more expensive than consumers in Belarus) .

It should not be thought that the turnover within the Customs Union is a continuous trade in minerals in the form of raw materials. A large percentage of turnover is made up of such sectors of the economy as engineering, food trade and metalworking. For example, revenues in the engineering and metalworking industries in the Customs Union are every 3 th ruble earned, and more than a quarter is high-tech engineering, which has become somehow unacceptable to say in hyperliberal environments - that's because the anti-union PR- you can't build a company ...

During the three years of the CU existence, the trade turnover between Kazakhstan and Russia has increased by almost 60% due to the elimination of the previous customs barriers.

It is important to note that during the existence of the vehicle no loss of anyone’s independence occurred. Any Moscow, Astana, Minsk Minsk (or vice versa) announced from outside the dictate of conditions did not happen. The markets of all three countries in the Customs Union are open to each other, which does not give customs “well-wishers” a reason to practice rhetoric on how Putin, Lukashenko and Nazarbayev economically and politically stifle each other, trying to share a big union pie.

We present a diagram reflecting the results of a sociological survey conducted by the Center for Integration Studies of the Eurasian Bank in the CIS countries. The question was: how do you feel about the fact that the Russian, Belarusian and Kazakh economies have united in the Customs Union? There were three possible answers: positive, in no way and negative. The diagram shows the percentage of those polled who said they were positive about the economic integration of the Russian Federation, Belarus and Kazakhstan. As can be seen, only the respondents in Azerbaijan reacted with caution to the integration of the three countries into the CU.

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  1. os9165
    os9165 14 October 2013 08: 36
    65
    We all have 2 ways to either unite or become colonies of more powerful states. In the union, the preservation of the independence and prosperity of everyone.
    1. Gennady1973
      Gennady1973 14 October 2013 08: 42
      44
      That is why when there was one big country, and not like now "princedoms" there was a strong army and navy and economy. Together we are strong!
      1. gosha1970
        gosha1970 14 October 2013 10: 25
        -34 qualifying.
        Strongest economy ??????? On the smelting of cast iron, maybe I can not argue. But about life, there is a complete ambush.
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 14 October 2013 11: 50
          15
          Quote: gosha1970
          Strongest economy ??????? On the smelting of cast iron, maybe I can not argue.

          Well, in the economy of the USSR, only the USA was second only. After the war, the whole world owed amers, on a large scale, including the USSR, and they rose due to the war.
          Quote: gosha1970
          But about life, there is a complete ambush.

          And what you do not like about the standard of living, in the USSR during its heyday, he was certainly no lower than the American. (the table used the 1961 exchange rate of 1 dollar = 90 kopecks)
          1. roma2
            roma2 14 October 2013 11: 57
            +3
            The Russian craving to measure the standard of living in dollars kills me.

            You would simply compare the standard of living in the purchasing opportunity and not in the virtual money equivalent.
            1. carbofo
              carbofo 14 October 2013 17: 48
              +4
              Quote: roma2
              The Russian craving to measure the standard of living in dollars kills me.

              You would simply compare the standard of living in the purchasing opportunity and not in the virtual money equivalent.


              This is just some habit, from the fact that the dollar had much smaller fluctuations unlike the Ruble, well, over time, the habit of counting through a reference currency develops.
              Then I watched a blog about Japan, I had to calculate the yen through the dollar, which would then be broadcast directly. because the author mentioned the cost in dollars in the video, although the yen was on the price tag.
              Everyone has their own habits.
              The purchasing power of a currency and the purchasing power of a population are two different things, but for balance they must be linked.
              In other words, demand creates supply!
              Here is simply a comparison in prices for a period in relation to a certain year.
              This is acceptable for relative statistics.
              And by the way, in any country, the standard of living is determined by the level of income! something like this.
              And in what currency it is not very important.
              But I don’t remember that our people would die of hunger? Yes, it was not easy and the shops did not burst with goods, but to sleep peacefully at night without the roar of someone's bombers, it was worth it !!!! , by the way, we still live with this heritage, if someone does not know.
              1. peter_shchurov
                peter_shchurov 14 October 2013 22: 47
                -6
                Quote: carbofo
                Yes, it was not easy and the shops did not burst with goods, but to sleep peacefully at night without the roar of someone's bombers, it was worth it !!!!


                Yes, you can walk in a quilted jacket and in kirzach, live in a hut with amenities in the yard and
                consider it a "good standard of living", only the defeated in 1945 lived much better than that, well, these are trifles ..

                Oh yes, "but everyone was afraid of us" - maybe it warms someone's soul, but, in my opinion, this is just a manifestation of servile complexes.
                1. carbofo
                  carbofo 15 October 2013 11: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: peter_shchurov

                  Oh yes, "but everyone was afraid of us" - maybe it warms someone's soul, but, in my opinion, this is just a manifestation of servile complexes.

                  Eka the ruler then Krainsky fell in love with it, if you weren’t your slave servants, you dug a hawk or even destroyed in barns that you didn’t want to give a fair amount of profit, they killed the people innocently hungry.
                  In other words, be quiet, nobody wants to listen to you, we were forced to defend the country and rely only on ourselves. Unlike us, there were many more enemies and they had a huge amount of cheap resources from third countries that were pumped out for a penny, that's why we didn’t have an American way of life, a darmoed, therefore there are such differences in what they had and what we had.
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                  2. peter_shchurov
                    peter_shchurov 15 October 2013 13: 46
                    -3
                    Quote: carbofo
                    and they had an enormous amount of cheap resources of third countries that were pumped out for a penny, that's why we didn’t have an American way of life, a parasite, so there were such differences in what they had and what we had.


                    And you didn’t? For 1 \ 6 part of land?
                    Oh yes, I forgot, you had to feed and arm half of Africa.
                    Well, yes, but in Makeyevka, the land of the leading miners, people were running into the street, surviving in the barracks without amenities — show a photo? —It is not difficult for me.
                    But com. Seychelles parties annually unfastened the nth amount
                    american lyam greens.
                    Where, tell me, then all these Secutu Re and Kwame Nkrumah then disappeared?
                    1. carbofo
                      carbofo 15 October 2013 17: 48
                      +1
                      peter_shchurov
                      I am not greedy, and I care little about what they gave and to whom, for me these are just facts. ! These are accomplished facts and it’s enough to know them, and since I can’t assess the benefits of this, I can’t say whether it’s good or bad, I don’t have the information that those who made the decisions had.
                      And you are directly shaking from the fact that your money was allegedly handed over to someone, get yourself in trouble.
                      As an option, see how much money the Americans give out, and then they can count the bucks and will not give anything to beautiful eyes.
                      1. peter_shchurov
                        peter_shchurov 15 October 2013 22: 46
                        0
                        Quote: carbofo
                        As an option, see how much money the Americans give out, and then they can count the bucks and will not give anything to beautiful eyes.


                        OK. Compare the living standards of Soviet citizens and American (I can tell, for example, by the number of cars per capita), etc., etc.
                      2. carbofo
                        carbofo 16 October 2013 15: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: peter_shchurov
                        OK. Compare the living standards of Soviet citizens and American (I can tell, for example, by the number of cars per capita), etc., etc.

                        You compare well-being solely by what you can snatch.
                        I don’t need a car, and I don’t have one.
                        I have a small salary and I do not need more, I have everything that I need.
                        What do you have? only eternal soul-eating jealousy and greed !, somehow.
                        Yes, if you do not know, Americans just print money! the process of reckoning for a beautiful life is already beginning, a sort of blockbuster in the style of War-Z, you hiss yet, and I will prepare popcorn for viewing.
                      3. peter_shchurov
                        peter_shchurov 16 October 2013 17: 47
                        -1
                        Quote: carbofo
                        and I’m preparing popcorn for viewing.


                        Is there at least enough money with a "small salary"?

                        you’re my spiritual ones, how miserable you are in your hypocrisy ...
                      4. carbofo
                        carbofo 17 October 2013 08: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: peter_shchurov
                        Is there at least enough money with a "small salary"?
                        you’re my spiritual ones, how miserable you are in your hypocrisy ...

                        Enough, even with one job, and I have 2 of them, I like to be busy.
                        Yes, spiritual and wretched, but not greedy and not a member of the LGBT community.
                        Making a lot of money and not selling your own ass is a rarity.
                      5. peter_shchurov
                        peter_shchurov 17 October 2013 21: 40
                        -1
                        Quote: carbofo
                        I have a small salary

                        but at the same time:
                        Quote: carbofo
                        Enough, even from one job, but I have 2


                        The matter, apparently, is in low qualifications and low professional abilities, even if working on 2 jobs, a person cannot
                        secure a more or less acceptable income.
                        In general, the image of a kind of banal potential with "A very rich inner world", living according to the principle "All radishes, and I am D'Artagnan"

                        at the same time, the following statements raise a certain kind of doubt:
                        don't sell your own ass
                        and not a member of the LGBT community.

                        have mercy, dear, about people with non-traditional sexual orientation and there was no talk, nevertheless you considered it necessary to mention it for some reason .. You know, a bad symptom is people who talk about it for no reason, often without knowing it are latent homosexuals.

                        No, nothing personally to you, but you think about it, you are our spiritual.
                      6. carbofo
                        carbofo 18 October 2013 13: 08
                        0
                        Quote: peter_shchurov

                        In general, the image of a kind of banal potential with "A very rich inner world", living according to the principle "All radishes, and I am D'Artagnan"

                        Something like that :), I have no needs that would make a big income necessary. I’m rather interested in my own employment - than income, why a lot of money, if they are of little practical value.
                        I admit that this is practical self-restraint, which is bad in this.
                        Yes, I have a rich world, and the principles, for that they love it, have always been like this for many years, some see me as falling, well, maybe I'm proud of what xs, there is a downside to the standard! loneliness, no one wants to mess with someone who is not ready to sell pops for a mink coat!
                        Oh, a familiar song, any gay - sooner or later it says: - if you are not with us, then you are latent gay.
                        I had heard enough about it on the forum, so I don’t need to think about my moral character, he doesn’t come into conflict with nature.
                        Good luck.
  • peter_shchurov
    peter_shchurov 14 October 2013 22: 42
    0
    Quote: DEfindER
    (the table used the 1961 exchange rate of 1 dollar = 90 kopecks)

    no, it's just brain cancer, it's useless to argue here ...

    And why then for "currency transactions" up to the highest measure came?
    1. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 15 October 2013 05: 29
      +1
      Do you remember what was written on the 10 ruble note of the 1961 sample?
      provided with gold, precious metals ....
      Not even 90, but 75 at PPP (purchasing power parity)
      And yet, calculate your PPP

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/multimedia/2012/04/120403_world_average_salary.shtm
      l
      and Russian with an average salary in Russia .. you will find yourself.
      1. atalef
        atalef 15 October 2013 06: 39
        +2
        528Obrp Today, 05:29 ↑ New
        Do you remember what was written on the 10 ruble note of the 1961 sample?
        provided with gold, precious metals ....
        Not even 90, but 75 at PPP (purchasing power parity)

        Well, the same thing is written on the fence x ... the grandmother approached touched - and there a bitch.
        Has anyone tried to get this equivalent? A dollar for 73 kopecks. to the ruble - could you freely buy? The maximum gold reserve of the USSR was 5000 tons (somewhere or less a bit), of course, this did not cover the entire money supply, and when under Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko and, finally, under Gorbachev, it fell to 700 tons, somehow they stopped writing about providing gold (for money) ( by the way, it was written in gold and other assets of the State Bank of the USSR) but they did not write what kind of other assets they were.
        1. 528Obrp
          528Obrp 15 October 2013 07: 09
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Well, the same thing is written on the fence x ... the grandmother approached touched - and there a bitch.
          This is demagoguery.

          Quote: atalef
          Has anyone tried to get this equivalent?
          But is he really for this? He only limited the release of paper. He served as a regulator, so to speak.

          If real, then the gold reserve can be stored in strategic deposits with very high gold contents in the ore.
          Quote: atalef
          (by the way, it was written in gold and other assets

          Gold, precious metals and other assets ... These other assets included pebbles and bonds of foreign loans, etc.

          The ruble was a very stable means of payment until the end of the Brezhnev era. He allowed to withstand a huge load on the defense industry. And unlike modern money, it was self-sufficient.
          1. atalef
            atalef 15 October 2013 11: 39
            +1
            This is demagoguery.

            This is not demagogy, but the truth of life. Do not believe what is written, even on money, especially on Soviet ones. There, in addition to the Proletarians of all countries, unite, there was the name of the ruble in the languages ​​of the republics, such as Sum, Som, Carbovanets, etc. Well, don’t tell me, you, one som equals the ruble - especially now

            But is he really for this? He only limited the release of paper. He served as a regulator, so to speak.

            If real, then the gold reserve can be stored in strategic deposits with very high gold contents in the ore.

            In general, litter, I began to answer before reading this post of yours. I did not know that I was dealing with shkolota. I have never seen such sangs, about the provision of nat. currency - ore located in a land with a high gold content. But noelie to you for this, then Angola is ahead of the rest, she’s already buried.
            The ruble was a very stable means of payment until the end of the Brezhnev era. He allowed to withstand a huge load on the defense industry. And unlike modern money, it was self-sufficient.


            What the hell are you talking about? Have you heard any reforms in the USSR? Under Stalin, there were 3 of them, under Khrushchev (the famous 1961, 1:10). Subscriptions for the entire salary for loans - which have not been repaid for decades, tell me the prices did not rise - you did not live under Brezhnev, I remember three increases, and for some reason it was always announced - ASKED BY WORKERS, by the way, like raising standards and lowering tariffs, although you don’t know what it is
            1. 528Obrp
              528Obrp 15 October 2013 12: 55
              0
              Quote: atalef
              currency - ore located in a land with a high gold content. But noelie to you for this, then Angola is ahead of the rest, she’s already buried.

              And where is it with me?

              We read such a thing as "FEDERAL LAW

              ABOUT PRECIOUS METALS AND PRECIOUS STONES.
              Chapter II STATE FUNDS AND RESERVES
              PRECIOUS METALS AND PRECIOUS STONES
              Article 5. Federal Fund of Reserve Deposits of Precious Metals and Precious Stones. Article 6. State Fund of Precious Metals and Precious Stones of the Russian Federation "
              So Chapter II in the legal regulation does not separate deposits and gold reserves, moreover, it unites them. something like this
              1. 528Obrp
                528Obrp 15 October 2013 13: 23
                0
                Yes, I forgot the most interesting
                The following basic concepts are used in this Federal Law:
                General provisions.
                precious metals - gold, silver, platinum and platinum group metals (palladium, iridium, rhodium, ruthenium and osmium). This list of precious metals may be changed only by federal law. Precious metals can be in any state, form, including in native and refined form, as well as in raw materials, alloys, semi-finished products, industrial products, chemical compounds, jewelry and other products, coins, scrap and production and consumption wastes;

                I quote again
                "Precious metals can be in any state, form, including native and refined form, as well as in raw materials, alloys,"
        2. Gennady1973
          Gennady1973 15 October 2013 12: 09
          0
          Do you want to say the dollar is secured with something? Follow the trend, as soon as the states raise the budget, the question of raising the debt is immediately raised. If China, for example, drives a couple of tankers to the shores of America with "green" and asks for gold, what will happen? ...
  • turan_up
    turan_up 14 October 2013 11: 59
    16
    Please note 1) the USSR spent a lot of money on weapons. And it’s not our fault. If the neighbor on the camera sharpens the finca - there is not much choice. 2) Even considering the reborn elite, we had the necessary social guarantees, stable development, and were protected from AIDS, TB, drugs and other rubbish.
    1. roma2
      roma2 14 October 2013 12: 09
      -20 qualifying.
      America spent even more, but not economics developed regardless of how much the state spent on the army.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 14 October 2013 12: 39
        30
        Quote: roma2
        The economy developed no matter how much the state spent on the army.


        America’s economy developed after the war through robbery and parasitism (the Bretton Woods Accords) on the resources and labor of the rest of the world, which was achieved through the seizure of the financial monopoly in the world by US banks.
        United States Nominee, is an ordinary debt pyramid. There is such a term in criminal practice- a thief on trust, that’s the whole economic system of the states, in essence, is that thief. Its purpose is to build confidence in
        ke the United States by large and small investors.
        But in building this trust,
        no American hard work or innovation
        technology, and government statistics
        authorities and, in part, accountants of large
        American corporations. and a fraudulent loan interest scheme.
        1. Lindon
          Lindon 14 October 2013 22: 27
          0
          If you have not noticed, then this is the USSR collapsed.
          Indulge yourself further with the thought "America's economy has developed" further.
          1. Rider
            Rider 15 October 2013 00: 00
            +2
            Quote: Lindon
            If you have not noticed, then this is the USSR collapsed.

            if you haven’t noticed, then the US economy in jo ... uh is lower than the baseboard, and it has the largest public debt in the world.

            and you continue to hope further.
      2. washi
        washi 14 October 2013 13: 36
        +4
        Quote: roma2
        America spent even more, but not economics developed regardless of how much the state spent on the army.

        And how did ordinary US citizens live and live?
        And how did the citizens of the USSR live? Yes, there were no cars, but public transport worked fine, there was something in the shops, but refrigerators and pads were packed with groceries.
        1. roma2
          roma2 14 October 2013 13: 37
          -12 qualifying.
          Do you think that everyone was starving there?
          1. Rider
            Rider 15 October 2013 00: 01
            +2
            Quote: roma2
            Do you think that everyone was starving there?


            but now FOUR of the population receives coupons for free food.
        2. atalef
          atalef 15 October 2013 06: 51
          +2
          Quote: roma2
          America spent even more, but not economics developed regardless of how much the state spent on the army.
          And how did ordinary US citizens live and live?
          And how did the citizens of the USSR live? Yes, there were no cars, but public transport worked fine, there was something in the shops, but refrigerators and pads were packed with groceries.

          It’s not clear, Vasily, why are you driving around the ears of the people, the impression is that no one lived at the time. The standard of living was much lower than in the USA (even the deaf-deaf-mute understood it) I certainly understand patriotism is a good thing, but do not mix patriotism and idiocy, as for the pantry littered with food, I don’t know if you lived in the Kalinin region in the 70s (I don’t say that about the 80s the situation improved, just left from there, by the way in Leningradskaya it wasn’t much better) But that shop didn’t have anything but vodka, bread, canned goods, gray pasta and margarine, they dragged everything else from Moscow (a night by train ) Maybe that's why the storage rooms were clogged (who could to milk) to Moscow. Now no one's closets are packed and refrigerators are not breaking down. A person just goes to the store and buys when necessary, which is necessary, that is, on this basis you want to say that security was better before laughing
          tan here, then. what you have now, shops, choice, affordability, ---- there has always been in America, so again I repeat, patriotism in an overdose leads to idiocy. You have to be more adequate
          1. Walker1975
            Walker1975 15 October 2013 10: 54
            +2
            Something seems to me that a man forgot about the riot in Novocherkassk in 1962. When, due to lack of food, workers began to strike. By the way, they were shot. And here they prove that in the USSR there was manna from heaven.
      3. Egoza
        Egoza 14 October 2013 13: 53
        +9
        Quote: roma2
        but non-economics developed no matter how much the state spent

        Due to the robbery of other countries, she developed an economy! But the USSR helped a lot! Because of this, there was a miscalculation. Would do as I.V. Stalin planned - at first everything for his country and for his people - there would be another calico! And the ruble was a currency! More expensive than a dollar! And every ruble was provided with gold! So there was no need to exchange your property for green papers!
      4. ksan
        ksan 14 October 2013 20: 27
        +2
        roma2 (2) SU Today, 12:09 PM ↑

        America spent even more, but not economics developed regardless of how much the state spent on the army.
        It is not entirely correct to compare US and Union defense spending. The states live in many ways beyond their means, the majority of the world pays them for using the dollar, which they print, while the Union had its own economy that was in no way inferior, but in some ways superior to the US (in terms of development).
  • washi
    washi 14 October 2013 13: 30
    +1
    Quote: gosha1970
    Strongest economy ??????? On the smelting of cast iron, maybe I can not argue. But about life, there is a complete ambush.

    Say thanks to Khrushchev and his followers who destroyed the Stalinist multi-structured economy where, along with state enterprises, there was a powerful cooperative movement with its factories, factories and institutions. The same "unfortunate" collective farmers could have a decent private farm (read books about the war. There are almost every one there: the Germans caught chickens, milked a cow. And this is with the poor collective farmers?).
    Yes, before the war, Everything was thrown to the defense. Due to the welfare of citizens, but precisely because of this, We survived.
    But after the war. Gradually they canceled cards, reduced food prices, carried out a monetary reform (at the same time, some "comrades were imprisoned.") GDP grew faster than European countries and the United States.
    Still, Stalin was a former seminarian and believed in those who admitted their mistakes. On this he burned out.
    1. atalef
      atalef 15 October 2013 11: 52
      +3
      Say thanks to Khrushchev and his followers who destroyed the Stalinist multi-structured economy where, along with state enterprises, there was a powerful cooperative movement with its factories, factories and institutions. The same "unfortunate" collective farmers could have a decent private farm (read books about the war. There are almost every one there: the Germans caught chickens, milked a cow. And this is with the poor collective farmers?).

      well, okay, Vasily, it somehow bears you, the mixed economy was still like that of NEP, after that it was removed, cooperatives always existed COOP stores this is not an invention of either Stalin (it was before the revolution) or it destroyed Khrushchev , and under Brezhnev, these shops I completely remember) that Khrushchev destroyed household plots and farmsteads, he thought that everything could be grown on a collective farm, he simply dreamed of communism and did not know that in the villages the collective farmers had already put all the bolts for a long time.
      The collective farmers under Stalin did not have passports (no matter what they escaped). Such beautiful serfdom, but as soon as Khrushchov began to issue them to them (or rather, they finished it only during Brezhnev), by the way, I remember that the collective farmers simply broke into the city. was them in the village
      Stalin, seminarians — great big atheists came out of the same seminarians as everyone is wretched in your reasoning, even if you would read another book at your leisure.
      So do not know the history of your country.
      1. gosha1970
        gosha1970 15 October 2013 13: 07
        0
        My grandmother lived in a village (in the Tver province., Staritsky district), I found Brezhnev's times. Life was hard in the village. Maybe somewhere in the Kuban was good.
  • Qazaq
    Qazaq 14 October 2013 22: 19
    +2
    I would even say that there was no ambush, but there was a complete pi * dec !!!! And no one else wants this.
  • gosha1970
    gosha1970 15 October 2013 13: 10
    0
    how many minuses oh god wink Probably, these are former Soviet citizens. from Moscow. Which lived well with advice.
  • i.xxx-1971
    i.xxx-1971 1 December 2013 23: 46
    0
    You somehow survived.
  • i.xxx-1971
    i.xxx-1971 1 December 2013 23: 46
    0
    You somehow survived.
  • Lindon
    Lindon 14 October 2013 22: 25
    +1
    That was in the past. The army and navy are one name, but ambition and the desire to teach the whole world how to live remained.
  • roma2
    roma2 14 October 2013 10: 45
    -19 qualifying.
    Do you want to say that Belarus is very independent ??
    As soon as the dad decides to play his politics so soon comrade Onishchenko closes the border to Belarusian goods.
    Russia, as well as Europe, is not interested in the development of countries that have joined the CU. They need a market for the sale of their goods and cheap raw materials, and all competitors of their products will be crushed by the Onishchenko method.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 14 October 2013 10: 50
      +1
      Quite right. In principle, this is an understandable policy in the spirit of "nothing personal, just business."
      1. roma2
        roma2 14 October 2013 10: 55
        -23 qualifying.
        Well, what is the advantage of the TS over the EU ??? Business here and there. Only there it is not so cynical, there the brotherly people, independence and so on do not hide behind the words.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 11: 11
          17
          Quote: roma2
          Well, what is the advantage of the TS over the EU ??

          Nobody needs Belarusian goods in the EU in FIG. The EU will not sell gas to you on the cheap, the EU will not write off your debt on loans.
          1. roma2
            roma2 14 October 2013 11: 18
            -4
            A RUSSIAN BELARUSIAN GOODS NEED ??

            Or are you writing off debts for beautiful eyes, and selling gas for cheap?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 11: 24
              10
              Quote: roma2
              A RUSSIAN BELARUSIAN GOODS NEED ??

              Would not need them would not buy!
              Quote: roma2
              Or are you writing off debts for beautiful eyes, and selling gas for cheap?

              Well, find the reason for what? Come on, Russia, she’s insidious laughing
            2. domokl
              domokl 14 October 2013 11: 26
              15
              Quote: roma2
              A RUSSIAN BELARUSIAN GOODS NEED ??

              laughing No, of course .. Why should we? Only the question arises, where are all Belarusian goods imported into? What a fabulous country?
              Russia really, probably, will be able to live without Belarusian goods. For some time it will not be very, but then we will build a replacement production. Just why? Why spend money when you can already have a finished product? Why build something when there is already a well-established production, whose quality suits us?
              Belarus is not Ukraine. It will not be able to live in isolation for a long time and if it joins the EU, its fate will repeat exactly the Baltic States. Lukashenko, as a good host, understands that the country's independence and people's life depends not only on the ability of people and the quality of human resources, but also on opportunities to realize the product.
              1. roma2
                roma2 14 October 2013 11: 29
                -24 qualifying.
                Belarus is not Ukraine. It will not be able to live in isolation for a long time.


                that's it they drove themselves into a corner and you use it
                1. domokl
                  domokl 14 October 2013 11: 36
                  15
                  Quote: roma2
                  that's it they drove themselves into a corner and you use it

                  How will you tell tales about aggressive Russia? Ukraine used the thesis-fraternal people for a long time. But then the time came when it stopped working. Then there was a new thesis-gas pipe .. Again we finished. Now blackmail ... Like, we’ll leave for EU. We will be very ill for some time. But it will also become harder for you. As children are right. Here you leave home, the wolves will eat me in the forest and you will all cry laughing
                  1. roma2
                    roma2 14 October 2013 11: 44
                    -12 qualifying.
                    Oholonte dear. Ukraine does not blackmail anyone, it goes its own way. Only now you can’t get over it, then dirty at the border, then you kill the fishermen, and then they raised so much to the whole world.
                    POLICY in one word.
                    But it’s harder to brush it, it’s only possible to learn by trial and error, like we don’t learn from other people's mistakes, fill up cones, stumble and only after that choose a more or less even path. So let's see.
                    1. washi
                      washi 14 October 2013 13: 48
                      +4
                      Quote: roma2
                      Oholonte dear. Ukraine does not blackmail anyone, it goes its own way. Only now you can’t get over it, then dirty at the border, then you kill the fishermen, and then they raised so much to the whole world.
                      POLICY in one word.
                      But it’s harder to brush it, it’s only possible to learn by trial and error, like we don’t learn from other people's mistakes, fill up cones, stumble and only after that choose a more or less even path. So let's see.

                      You will choose this path for another 500 years. Until someone comes from the side and says arbeiten.
                    2. domokl
                      domokl 14 October 2013 14: 45
                      +4
                      Quote: roma2
                      And the brush is heavier lighter so it can only be recognized by trial and error,

                      Yeah ... that I remember ... In the minibus above the door it says "A place for banging your head. And everyone is beating. What is Ukraine taking its own path? How is it different from the others? Except that the country is already in debt like silk?"
                    3. Kars
                      Kars 14 October 2013 14: 49
                      +4
                      Quote: domokl
                      Om that now the country is in debt as in silk?

                      Can show a country without debt?

                      So pure for the sake of example Belorus
                      Belarus' external debt is growing at an unprecedented rate
                      http://www.belaruspartisan.org/economic/242503/

                      By the way, the country of the CU has handed over its pipe to Gazprom in order to get preferential prices for energy carriers.
                    4. ksan
                      ksan 14 October 2013 20: 55
                      0
                      Kars (3) UA Today, 14: 49 ↑

                      Quote: domokl
                      Om that now the country is in debt as in silk?

                      Can show a country without debt?

                      So pure for the sake of example Belorus
                      The external debt of Belarus is growing at an unprecedented pace.
                      Debts are "Lukashenka's ambitions" when expenses exceed revenues. In general, the economy of Belarus is growing in contrast to Ukraine.
                      Can show a country without debt?
                      Russia for example wink Russia has a positive balance (debts / assets).
                    5. Kars
                      Kars 14 October 2013 20: 59
                      +1
                      Quote: ksan
                      In general, the economy of Belarus is growing, unlike Ukraine.

                      Really? And growing a lot?
                      Quote: ksan
                      Russia, for example, Russia has a positive balance (of debts / assets).

                      Yes, well, and someone asked you about the balance?
                      Russia's foreign debt reached 700 billion dollars. The state share there is 50 billion, the rest is private debts and even investments


                      The external debt of the authorities for the year increased by 60% and amounts to 66,3 billion dollars. For the period from January 1 2006 to 1 April 2013, Russia's foreign debt grew by more than 400 billion dollars
                      And this at the price of oil and gas.
                      Over the year, the total external debt of Russian companies increased by 23,8%, while, according to the Central Bank, Russian assets abroad increased by 5,3% over the same period and by the end of the first quarter of 2013 of the year came close to 1 trillion dollars. Thus, the balance was reduced by almost a quarter, although it remains positive.

                      And at the same time, you are pumping money into US debt obligations.
              2. ksan
                ksan 14 October 2013 20: 42
                +1
                roma2 (2) SU Today, 11:44 PM ↑

                Oholonte dear. Ukraine does not blackmail anyone, it goes its own way
                What your ??? By the Baltic states? or poles? maybe Bulgarians?
                Only now you can’t get over it, then dirty at the border, then you kill the fishermen, and then they raised so much to the whole world.
                Russia really offers the best option for Ukraine, only the "Ukrainian elite" does not care what is best for Ukraine, it is important for them what is best for them personally. Yes, and "hi" as you put it more in Ukraine, they raise that "Russia needs another colony", although in the CU ALL participants equal rights unlike the EU. So we'll see where Ukraine will be more independent and who "needs a colony" hi
              3. Walker1975
                Walker1975 14 October 2013 22: 16
                +5
                What are equal rights? What tree did you fall from? In the EU - 1 country - 1 vote, and in the CU - in proportion to the economy, that is, Moscow has all the levers ...
              4. Don
                Don 17 October 2013 15: 38
                +1
                Quote: Walker1975
                What are equal rights? What tree did you fall from? In the EU - 1 country - 1 vote

                Where is the voice? In the European Council or Commission? And what that voice does. In a political sense, all this is nonsense, because The EU is not a single state. Only strong states play a role in the economic. The adoption of new economic and trade laws (for example) in the EU may be affected by Germany or France, but not like Estonia or Slovakia. All of course their opinion will be heard but sent to one place. Who made the decisions on budget savings in the EU? By general vote? Bulgaria or Slovenia? No! The decisions were made by Germany, the economic and financial locomotive of Europe, the state that issued loans and grants them, which provides financial assistance. That is, who pays the one and orders the music.
                Quote: Walker1975
                and in the TS - in proportion to the economy, that is, Moscow has all the levers ...

                Did you come up with this yourself? The main body of the EurAsEC Customs Union is the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council - the EurAsEC Interstate Council, composed of representatives of the member countries of the Customs Union and the Common Economic Space. The council includes the heads of state and government of the Customs Union.Decisions are taken by consensus.
            3. peter_shchurov
              peter_shchurov 14 October 2013 22: 53
              0
              Quote: ksan
              Russia is really the best option for Ukraine


              Yes, where did you get it, dear?
              Get rid of your mess for a start and people will reach for you themselves.

              Che there, offhand-Taburetkin planted, not? Have you solved the problems with the North Caucasians \ migrants? Etc., etc., you can continue for a long time.

              Wipe your shit "my absent-mindedness to begin with, so as not to look funny, and then call me.
          2. Don
            Don 15 October 2013 14: 25
            0
            Quote: roma2
            then you kill the fishermen

            Well, yes, the fishermen were killed directly because Ukraine wants to join the EU. Do not grind nonsense.
        2. peter_shchurov
          peter_shchurov 14 October 2013 22: 49
          +2
          Quote: domokl
          Now blackmail ... Like, we will leave for the EU. We will be very ill for some time. But it will also become harder for you. As children are right. Here you leave the house, the wolves will eat me in the forest and you will all cry


          In my opinion, this is the strongest butcher in the Russian media about this.
          We have long stopped talking on this topic.
          1. lordinicus
            lordinicus 15 October 2013 15: 29
            0
            Quote: peter_shchurov

            In my opinion, this is the strongest butcher in the Russian media about this.
            We have long stopped talking on this topic.

            I completely agree, Yanek said everything was buzzing and now it's quiet, but in the Russian media srach continues :)
      2. SAG
        SAG 14 October 2013 12: 13
        12
        Listen, Roma, it seems to me that you’ve washed your head with shitty bullshit, and you don’t even delve into it. Real independence in the modern world is accessible only to the big and strong. Such as the USA, the USSR, the Ottoman Empire, the German Empire (now the prototype of the European Union), China. All the rest, for objective reasons, fall into this dependence ... and here without options. So it’s better to be dependent on who considers you to be a brother and at least does not want your slow death, than on whom you are nobody but as a vassal and a slave, in fact, you will not be like that. Open your eyes already.
        1. Drummer
          Drummer 15 October 2013 19: 01
          +4
          Quote: SAG
          Real independence in the modern world is accessible only to the big and strong. Such as the USA, the USSR, the Ottoman Empire, the German Empire (now the prototype of the European Union), China.

          And do you include the Russian Federation in the list of big and strong (at the level of the USA, China, the European Union)? Compare GDP, military potential, population. Think about it.
          1. Don
            Don 17 October 2013 15: 44
            +1
            Quote: Drummer
            And do you include the Russian Federation in the list of big and strong (at the level of the USA, China, the European Union)? Compare GDP, military potential, population. Think about it.

            The European Union is not a single state. The population has nothing to do with it. Otherwise, Pakistan can be attributed to strong states. The military potential and economy of the Russian Federation can be attributed to strong states, as well as India or Japan, but not yet superpowers.
  • alexng
    alexng 14 October 2013 11: 57
    10
    Quote: roma2
    Or are you writing off debts for beautiful eyes, and selling gas for cheap?


    Until 2003, gas was sold at a low price and debts were written off until the Ukrainian authorities bored themselves and began to water Russia with slop, and the face pointedly tossed aside. And then they got what they deserved.
  • washi
    washi 14 October 2013 13: 45
    +9
    Quote: roma2
    A RUSSIAN BELARUSIAN GOODS NEED ??
    Or are you writing off debts for beautiful eyes, and selling gas for cheap?

    In fact, the Belarusian knitwear has reached the Far East. Cheap and high quality. A worthy rival to Chinese consumer goods.
    1. Lankov Victor
      Lankov Victor 14 October 2013 21: 47
      +1
      In Syzran, on the central street of Sovetskaya, BelWest store. I put on shoes there and am very pleased.
  • Akim
    Akim 14 October 2013 11: 25
    12
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    No one needs Belarusian goods in the EU in FIG

    Well I would not say. Belarus has a large percentage of exports to Europe.
    1. roma2
      roma2 14 October 2013 11: 30
      -15 qualifying.
      Belarus has a large percentage of exports to Europe.


      You are not talking about this to the Russians; otherwise, Belarus will be expelled from the CU for relations with Europe.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 14 October 2013 11: 50
        +3
        Quote: roma2
        You are not talking about this to the Russians; otherwise, Belarus will be expelled from the CU for relations with Europe.

        Is this HUMOR SUCH, in your performance, or "a stone in the garden" of the TS?
        Please explain...
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          1. Egoza
            Egoza 14 October 2013 14: 00
            +3
            Quote: roma2
            By joining the CU, Belarus sells and buys goods both in Russia and in Europe - this is the norm, but when the question of Ukraine comes up, a harsh framework is put up

            The difference is that Belarus trades fairly. And Ukraine has already been caught on the fact that goods produced in China are labeled "made in Ukraine" and sold to Russia with a large discount on customs duties. There is no need to cheat, then the conversation will be different.
          2. matross
            matross 14 October 2013 16: 08
            +2
            Quote: roma2
            when the question of Ukraine comes up, a harsh framework is put here

            You yourself, dear, "whose will you be"? From the Bandera? Or an opportunist from fraternal Belarus? The flag is red, but in fact ...
            Quote: roma2
            Russia does not need an equal partner

            Needed, but not visible candidates. But equal - welcome.
            1. Mature naturalist
              Mature naturalist 14 October 2013 21: 37
              0
              He is from Bandera. If you select all the author’s comments, then the real flag is visible there, and not the USSR flag. Roma2 has a Ukrainian flag.
            2. Drummer
              Drummer 15 October 2013 19: 24
              +1
              Quote: matRoss
              Needed, but not visible candidates.

              Turkey? Is it necessary to explain that as a trade and economic partner, it is much more important than Armenia and Kyrgyzstan, not to mention Syria. But Moscow is not interested in such an alliance - Erdogan will not be able to block the oxygen, and it is necessary to come to an agreement, and you still have to sacrifice the interests of the Gazprom shop.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 14 October 2013 11: 36
      +5
      Quote: Akim
      Belarus has a large percentage of exports to Europe.

      Not really that big. And that's not the point. Belarus without Russia cannot survive in this bank with spiders, called the EU.
    3. domokl
      domokl 14 October 2013 11: 41
      +1
      Quote: Akim
      Belarus has a large percentage of exports to Europe

      Here ... That’s how Lukashenka doesn’t get stuck in the Russian market. This market is for stability. To ensure that production is guaranteed by orders. But it can and should be developed through additional sales. And where? Naturally to Europe.
      Moreover, it seems to me that next year Belarus will begin to actively dislodge Ukrainians from the secondary arms market. The sale of old Soviet weapons and equipment will begin.
      1. Akim
        Akim 14 October 2013 11: 46
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        Moreover, it seems to me that next year Belarus will begin to actively dislodge Ukrainians from the secondary arms market. The sale of old Soviet weapons and equipment will begin.

        Do you work in an analytical agency? Just confidently about such things can talk people who have access to documents. rather than drawing information from the media.
      2. ruslan207
        ruslan207 14 October 2013 19: 41
        +1
        Everything has already been sold, all surplus Belarusians are producing electronics, drones, optics, radars, and why they bother with stuff
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 12: 02
      +2
      Quote: Akim
      Well I would not say. Belarus has a large percentage of exports to Europe.

      Well, let's lay out your large percentage.
      1. Akim
        Akim 14 October 2013 12: 10
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, let's lay out your large percentage.

        Here Belarusians will appear on the site - they will post it. So as not to say from a third party. Generally about 25%.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 12: 16
          0
          Quote: Akim
          Here Belarusians will appear on the site - they will post it.

          Not well, it's like, Who said, let him spread it. If I say anything, I spread it. I’m waiting for the link
          1. Akim
            Akim 14 October 2013 12: 27
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Waiting for a link

            I will not xerit pieces of paper. It is necessary - look. Such information is full.
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 14 October 2013 12: 57
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Not well, it's like, Who said, let him spread it. If I say anything, I spread it. I’m waiting for the link


            So be it to lay out the data of the Belarusian Statistical Committee for Trade with the CU countries for the first half of 2014.
            The volume of foreign trade in goods with the Member States of the CU and CES in January-July 2013 amounted to 23 367,2 million dollars, including export - 10 063,9 million dollars, import - 13 303,3 million dollars. The value of exports compared with January-July 2012, based on current prices, increased by 5,2%, or $ 500 million, of imports - decreased by 22,9%, or by $ 3 million.

            The volume of imports has decreased, which means a positive fact: Belarusians are developing the real sector of the economy and are not sitting on imports.

            In January-July 2013, the balance of foreign trade in goods of the Republic of Belarus with the member states of the CU and CES formed negative and amounted to $ 3 million. For the corresponding period last year, the negative balance amounted to 239,4 million dollars.

            And here the progress is a clear negative balance remained but almost halved.

            Foreign trade with the Russian Federation. The Russian Federation accounts for 95,4% of the value of exports and 99,6% of imports with the CU and CES member states. In January-July 2013, the volume of foreign trade with Russia amounted to 22 858,3 million dollars, including export - 9 605,7 million dollars, import - 13 252,6 million dollars. Compared with January-July 2012, the value of exports based on current prices increased by 5,7%, or $ 522,3 million, of imports - decreased by 22,8%, or by 3 million. dollars.
            The negative balance of foreign trade operations of the Republic of Belarus with the Russian Federation decreased from $ 8 million in January-July 092,4 to $ 2012 million in January-July 3.

            As we see here, Belarusians have a positive trend.

            The basis of exports to the Russian Federation is petroleum products (in January-July 2013 they were delivered in the amount of $ 501,3 million), trucks ($ 474,2 million), condensed and dried milk and cream ($ 462,9 million), tractors and saddles tractors (399,1 million dollars), beef (359,6 million dollars), cheeses and cottage cheese (348,8 million dollars), ferrous metals (265,4 million dollars), furniture, including medical (207,9, 197,5 million dollars), tires (194,8 million dollars), agricultural machinery (187,2 million dollars), butter (163,7 million dollars), plastic containers (XNUMX million dollars).
            In imports from the Russian Federation prevail Crude oil, including gas condensate (import volume amounted to $ 5 million), natural gas ($ 128,7 million), ferrous metals ($ 1 million), electricity ($ 901,5 million) ), steel pipes (930,2 million dollars), internal combustion engines (147,8 million dollars), cars (145,8 million dollars), synthetic rubber (141,5 million dollars), insulated wires, cables (117, 99 million dollars), copper wire (84,3 million dollars), liquefied gas (81,5 million dollars), nitrogen fertilizers (79,2 million dollars), televisions, monitors and projectors (69,1 million dollars s).

            Further trade with Kazakhstan
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 14 October 2013 13: 01
              +5
              Foreign trade with Kazakhstan. January-July 2013 there is a noticeable reduction in foreign trade. Compared to the corresponding period of 2012, exports of goods decreased by 4,6%, imports - by 31,7%. The volume of exports in January-July 2013 amounted to $ 458,2 million, imports - $ 50,7 million.
              The balance of foreign trade in goods with Kazakhstan was positive in the amount of $ 407,5 million; in January-July 2012, the surplus amounted to $ 406,3 million.
              In the freight train export to Kazakhstan agricultural machinery prevails (the value of supplies in January-July 2013 amounted to $ 38,5 million), tractors and tractor units ($ 37,6 million), tires ($ 36,4 million), furniture, including medical ($ 29,4 million), trucks ($ 26,8 million), beef ($ 21,1 million), sugar ($ 18,7 million), condensed and dried milk and cream (18,3 million dollars), medicines (10,2 million dollars), joinery products (10 million dollars), butter (9,5 million dollars).
              Imported from Kazakhstanmainly ferrous metals ($ 17,4 million), raw aluminum ($ 7,8 million), cotton fiber and wheat ($ 3,9 million for each commodity item), trucks (3,2 million dollars), copper waste and scrap (3 million dollars), mixed mineral fertilizers (1,6 million dollars).

              Tables by link
            2. Ascetic
              Ascetic 14 October 2013 13: 22
              +7
              By import The main partners with countries outside the CU are Germany - 2 732,1 million dollars and further, China - 2 373,5, Ukraine - 2 309,5 and Poland - 1 349,2. I took those with a volume of more than a trillion.
              For comparison - Russia-27 550,9 USA-634,1
              By export.
              Holland-7 551,3, Ukraine-4 159,8, Latvia - 3 269,7, Germany - 1,
              Lithuania - 1
              Russia-14 508,6 The USA does not import Belarusian goods.
              The export structure of Belarus is another peculiar reason for European integrators to think about Ukraine what market volume they can lose or significantly reduce. And on the example of the Baltic states, which in Soviet times itself had a powerful industrial base built there, now depends on Belarusian imports.
              link
            3. chehywed
              chehywed 15 October 2013 00: 15
              0
              Quote: Ascetic
              He took those with a volume of more than a trillion.

              hi Respected Ascetic, it’s not right with your commas, but you’re probably talking about billions. The turnover of Russia and Germany in January-June amounted to 37,92 billion euros.Source: German Federal Statistical Office.
  • Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 14 October 2013 19: 42
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Akim Well I would not say. Belarus has a large percentage of exports to Europe.

    In the European Union, MANs, Scania and Volvo are thrown right on the roads to change to MAZs; tractors John Deere, Case IH, New Holland are exchanged for "Belarus", while BOSCH and LG refrigerators are thrown out of the windows and run after Atlanta.
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  • Don
    Don 17 October 2013 15: 49
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Well I would not say. Belarus has a large percentage of exports to Europe.

    About 40%. But the thing is different. What are they selling. Although I do not quite understand what the argument is about. All countries always trade most with their neighbors.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 14 October 2013 11: 30
    +3
    Quote: roma2
    Only there it is not so cynical, there the brotherly people, independence and so on do not hide behind the words.

    There are hiding behind the words-Democracy, universal values, tolerance. A double edged sword, dear. Is a foreign aunt more dear to you?
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  • stroporez
    stroporez 14 October 2013 11: 52
    +1
    Quote: roma2
    there the brotherly people, independence and so on do not hide behind the words.
    there right away --- they break the mid-eye, if anyone has a desire, they will have trochs and ---- to the dump .......
    1. roma2
      roma2 14 October 2013 12: 00
      0
      It is precisely zhostok and it is clear, and when your products are slowed down at the border for made-up reasons, not your competitors, but government bonuses who decided to play God, it is mean and tsynichnoe.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 14 October 2013 23: 01
        +1
        Quote: roma2
        It is precisely zhostok and it is clear, and when your products are slowed down at the border for made-up reasons, not your competitors, but government bonuses who decided to play God, it is mean and tsynichnoe.

        It is vile and cynical to cash in on the imperfection of legislation, in the USSR it was called speculation, and here - Ukraine - a country of speculator.
  • SAG
    SAG 14 October 2013 12: 01
    +4
    If you argue this way, then there really are not many advantages. But no one is going to let anyone in the CIS countries into the EU!
    We are talking about associate membership, if in Russian, it will sound like MORTGAGE or SEMI-BOX (this is when only one is hit) laughing
  • turan_up
    turan_up 14 October 2013 12: 04
    +3
    Well, what is the advantage of the TS over the EU ???
    That instead of collaborative more or less equivalent trade, in the EU you will be pumped with goods, and for you to pay for them - to issue loans for bonded conditions. Compare Belarus and Greece, Kazakhstan and Bulgaria.
    1. roma2
      roma2 14 October 2013 12: 13
      +3
      more or less equivalent trade


      with Onishchenok chtoli will be equivalent ???
      don’t tell, until the state intervenes in business, we have nothing in common,

      and by the way, your loans for the purchase of weapons on favorable terms ???
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 12: 18
        +3
        Quote: roma2

        with Onishchenok chtoli will be equivalent ???

        You remove the flag of the USSR, so that it would be clear from which country you are. Now we are trading with Kazakhstan and Belarus and there are no problems. Do not invent what is not.
        1. roma2
          roma2 14 October 2013 12: 27
          -5
          26 August reports appeared in the Belarusian, Russian and Western media about the arrest and detention of Vladislav Baumgertner, CEO of Uralkali. Concurrently, Mr. Baumgertner is also the Chairman of the Supervisory Board of the Belarusian Potash Company. The Investigation Committee of Belarus apparently believes that this man is almost the enemy of the whole world and the famous international potash raider: the management of Uralkali supposedly developed hostile plans against Israeli, German and Canadian potash producers, not to mention Belarus. In response to the arrest of Mr. Baumgertner, Kremlin geopolitical ideologues made two predictable moves at once. The media has already passed information about the unpleasant discoveries of the chief physician of the Russian Federation Onishchenko in Belarusian products, as well as that the brotherly oil pipeline "Druzhba" suddenly worn out and seven hundred kilometers of pipes had to be replaced on it. And it is completely incomprehensible when the repair will end.


          Well, what's that called "no problem"?

          Dear you, before you give me a comment for "and what Russia has become after him can only be compared with a mongrel,"

          would carefully follow the same statements from the Russians
          stroporez
          ak sho hold your tongue, mongrel ......


          If you took the burden of a moderator, then be adequate
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 14 October 2013 12: 47
            +2
            Quote: roma2
            If you took the burden of a moderator, then be adequate

            Well, here are double standards, it's time to get used to it and not whine about it
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 12: 56
            +2
            Quote: roma2

            If you took the burden of a moderator, then be adequate

            No problem! And he and you one more.
            1. roma2
              roma2 14 October 2013 13: 13
              0
              Me, him, me again, and now myself laughing
          3. Lankov Victor
            Lankov Victor 14 October 2013 21: 57
            0
            roma2: "... the arrest and detention of Vladislav Baumgertner ..."
            Yes, this is called no problem. By agreement, the Old Man pinched Kerimov and Voloshin. Dvorkovich began to squeak that oil supplies would decline, Sechin said that there would be no decline. Today, Koch caressed something there, naturally, in vain. This is top notch collaboration.
          4. stroporez
            stroporez 15 October 2013 10: 32
            0
            Fortunately, I am not a moderator. But I don’t like PPC when my compatriots are called "individuals" .... although, ... maybe it is so accepted in your flock .........
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  • sq
    sq 14 October 2013 15: 30
    +2
    Quote: roma2
    there the brotherly people, independence and so on do not hide behind the words.

    there they hide behind the words tolerance, culture, European values ​​and so on.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 11: 12
    0
    Quote: roma2
    They need a market to sell their goods and cheap raw materials.

    Then why does Russia Belarus supply gas at domestic prices to the detriment of itself? Find the reason wink
    1. roma2
      roma2 14 October 2013 11: 25
      -4
      domestic prices


      domestic price in Russia on average $ 100 so that the benefit is also visible to the naked eye. Why supplies? so this is a no brainer for the price that it sells the buyer, it’s not so easy to find, everyone is trying to save and take less. profit falls accordingly.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 12: 01
        0
        Quote: roma2

        domestic price in Russia on average $ 100

        Write 50 bucks, so cooler.
        Quote: roma2
        Why supplies? so this is a no brainer for the price that it sells the buyer, it’s not so easy to find,

        Yes, really, how much is Europe and China buying there?
        1. vanaheym
          vanaheym 14 October 2013 12: 56
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          how much is Europe and China buying there?

          Ukraine receives gas in Russia at $ 430.
          Germany is selling re-exported Russian gas to Ukraine with its interest at $ 370.
          China buys Turkmen gas for $ 300-320
          1. hrych
            hrych 15 October 2013 00: 25
            +5
            That Germany sells gas to Ukraine is highly doubtful that the pipes are not rails, the return is not provided. Especially if, hypothetically, the Germans are again driven through Poland, which must have something from transit, the price will not decrease. In order to understand the reality of the price, you need to look at the agreement taking into account the transit, which Nezalezhnaya is famous for, if at one time Timokha achieved an increase in the transit price, then she received the obligation to annually take a certain amount of gas, at a certain price. If we take Turkmenistan, then again we need to look at the volume of supplies, again the problems of transit (especially if the pipeline is jointly owned or even owned by Chinese companies) and there is still a concept - the quality of gas, its composition, etc.
            1. MG42
              MG42 15 October 2013 00: 35
              +4
              Quote: hrych
              It is doubtful that Germany sells gas to Ukraine, pipes are not rails, no return is provided

              Are you sure about that? Not a return at all butreverse> correctly called. Any oil pipeline or gas pipeline is provided with the possibility of pumping in reverse mode.
              For example, the Odessa-Brody oil pipeline worked in reverse, in the near future the GTS also worked in reverse, pumping gas from the gas storage facility to consumers in the East when Russia cut off the gas supply during the gas war ..
              1. hrych
                hrych 15 October 2013 00: 57
                +3
                You are saying everything correctly, but not in the case of Germany and not with large-diameter pipes such as the renowned Urengoy-Pomar-Uzhgorod, where only to try to fill the pipeline with gas, Nabucco bent for the most part because there is no possibility of a pipe fill, and then download. Germany, which does not buy too much, but also creates a reserve by pumping it into storage facilities (former mines, etc.) I repeat, there are no borders with Ukraine yet, we need to transfer through Slovakia and the Czech Republic or Hungary, everywhere our settlement systems, transit obligations, our owners of gas pipelines and etc. In the gas war, when the Russian Federation stopped pumping to Ukraine, the pressure in the main pipeline began to drop, if I am not mistaken there should be from 50 to 70 atmospheres, in general panic began in Europe, when the pressure began to drop from Slovaks and other Romanians and more to Ukraine had to akachivat previously stolen from storage gas.
                1. lordinicus
                  lordinicus 15 October 2013 01: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: hrych

                  It’s ridiculous to read :) Reverse is impossible, it’s possible and how !!! There have always been problems with the reverse, since all the pipes are busy in order to find free pipes, but now there is a northern stream and there are more than enough free pipes between Ukraine and Germany.

                  Imagine German gas, taking into account the cost of transit through Poland, cheaper than buying from Russia.

                  Regarding the gas storage facility, this is a special facility and not mines at all - you are talking nonsense.

                  In Soviet times, special gas storages were created in Ukraine in which there was a certain supply of gas that was used to increase pressure in the event of an increase in gas consumption in Europe from Siberia not to bring such an amount of gas in a couple of days, this gas is called technical gas. Here is my free-standing government for some reason bought this technical gas at Ukrainian expense !!! At that moment when there was a drop in gas pressure in Europe, the Ukrainian government did not give the gas it bought to Europe, but let it go for its own needs. After that, there was a debriefing and the Europeans were crazy that there wasn’t a word about technical gas in the gas transit contract with Gazprom. Legally, in that nonsense, Ukraine simply did not give Europeans its gas, which it should not have given, roughly speaking, there was an idiot who made an agreement with Gazprom :).
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 15 October 2013 02: 23
                    +3
                    I say again that reverse is possible, but not in the superpipes of the Soyuz and Ur-Pam-Uzh gas pipelines, if there is still a pipeline, enlighten.

                    Score the request and get:

                    Underground gas storage (UGS) is a complex of engineering structures in reservoirs of geological structures, mining, as well as in mining reservoirs created in rock salt deposits intended for injection, storage and subsequent gas extraction, which includes a subsoil section limited by mining allotment, well stock for various purposes, gas collection and treatment systems, compressor shops.
                    UGS facilities are being built near the main gas pipelines and large gas consuming centers to quickly cover peak gas consumption. They are created and used to compensate for uneven (seasonal, weekly, daily) gas consumption, as well as to reserve gas in case of accidents on gas pipelines and to create strategic gas reserves.
                    Currently, UGS facilities created in porous formations (depleted deposits and aquifers) are most widely used. In addition to porous strata, they are also suitable for creating storages and deposits of rock salts (created by erosion of the so-called cavity), as well as in mining of deposits of coal and other minerals.


                    If mining of coal and other minerals is not mine, then I'm sorry.
                  2. lordinicus
                    lordinicus 15 October 2013 02: 45
                    +2
                    По поводу газопроводов в Украине "http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0
                    %BD%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%
                    B5%D0%BC%D0%B0_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B"
                    there is a map of the network of gas pipelines, I think you can find an unused pipe.

                    Concerning underground storage facilities based on mines - I know a little what a mine is, you can make a gas storage tank off it !!! It can theoretically and it is possible but practically ruin it, this is unrealistic. Most likely, the former koi gas fields were used as gas storages and were depleted by the USSR in 50-60 years - this is real, but unlikely from the mines.
                    eating garoshnitsa
                    - Russian is not my native language and therefore I do not understand this phrase.

                    Maybe Ukraine, if it has its own gas, it’s only by eating a garbage woman, there is a contract, do not do otherwise.

                    Honestly, I have nothing to do with the Ukrainian authorities, I pay on time for my utilities, all my acquaintances and friends pay the utilities on time, don’t pay the utilities, problems such as with loans begin, all sorts of nerves go bad and try to take something away. As far as I know (source of the media), any cantor who does not pay for gas and electrics is cut off in Ukraine strictly and clearly, it is ridiculous to hear Ukraine for gas, in our country everyone knows that everyone pays for gas then who steals ?.
                    Most likely, you are hinting at a situation where one oligar sold the good that was honestly stolen from the people, to another billionaire a thief and he, knowing that this good was clearly stolen, just threw him. And since there are no stolen good documents, and therefore there will be no court. So the srach begins in the media "you two for me", and those "what come on?" drive documents, but there are no documents!
                  3. hrych
                    hrych 15 October 2013 03: 05
                    +3
                    Colleague, with the pea I got excited, ashamed and corrected. I remember from the news (you can check) that because of the cold winter, the Germans used up the strategic gas reserves of all their storage facilities, and naturally there can be no question of any re-export. The same Poles, Slovaks and other transit countries are also consumers of our gas and each has its own contract on transit and supply from here and different prices. Technical gas, if not confused, the gas going to the operation of the pumping turbines, apparently in Belarus, is not taken into account, because Belarusians gave the pipe to Gazprom, which means that its pumping is a problem, but you probably have to pay for it. your pipe. I could be wrong.
                  4. hrych
                    hrych 15 October 2013 03: 35
                    +2
                    http://finforum.org/page/index.html/_/economics/reversnyi-gaz--argument-protiv-g
                    azproma-ili-r46562

                    In general, this is not a reverse from Germany, but a fiction, i.e. carousel on the border of Slovakia and Poland.
                  5. lordinicus
                    lordinicus 15 October 2013 10: 37
                    +2
                    What was what was, I think Europeans understand who our billionaires are and who the Russian oligarchs are. Europeans do not want to interfere in the analysis of these gangs and are standing on the sidelines, so I think for a long time at least one generation.

                    The article you specified is very informative, but there is one nuance in it, it is from "14.11/2012/XNUMX". A year has passed! What is described in that article is a check of the technical feasibility and adjustment. When everything was settled, they began to buy gas. Officially they buy from Germany, Russian or Arabic, who knows, but the fact is, the purchase is underway. If the Germans and Ukrainians remain satisfied with the cooperation, then the volumes of supplies will increase.

                    I think Gazprom does not realize what kind of market they are losing in the form of Ukraine. This market pays for gas, because there are some debts or delays in payment, these are frauds with the finances of some gangs to the detriment of other gangs.
                    Of course you can challenge my claim, but you think. If they didn’t pay for the products, they wouldn’t deliver them, I don’t believe in Gazprom’s altruism, because getting gas and transporting gas is not a cheap thing. Gazprom would go bankrupt. Once I read an article that the cost of producing and transporting gas to Gazprom would cost $ 350 per 1 cubic meter. For example, the delivery of Arab gas at your port will cost 300 dollars per 1 cubic meter, so Gazprom’s profit on gas is not so high that it would give gas for nothing. Ukraine would not pay for gas, it would not be supplied, because we need money for transportation.
                  6. 528Obrp
                    528Obrp 15 October 2013 11: 25
                    0
                    Quote: lordinicus
                    I think Gazprom does not realize what kind of market they are losing in the form of Ukraine. This market pays for gas, because there are some debts or delays in payment, these are frauds with the finances of some gangs to the detriment of other gangs.
                    Of course you can challenge my claim, but you think. If they didn’t pay for the products, they wouldn’t supply them, I don’t believe in Gazprom’s altruism,

                    And what market are they losing?
                    Gazprom’s altruism is not and never was. Deliveries are made only so that gas is not throttled and reaches Europe. The whole comic of what is happening is that only supplies to Ukraine are being reduced, gas somehow does not magically reach Europe.
                    As soon as another branch of the pipe starts, gas for Ukraine will become truly golden. Her budget simply cannot stand such prices.
                  7. lordinicus
                    lordinicus 15 October 2013 12: 19
                    0
                    Quote: 528Obrp

                    And what market are they losing?

                    Which market is losing, such a question smiled. Well consider the numbers
                    Geramnia receives gas from Russia in the amount of 34.43 billion cubic meters (data for 2010) (source "http://expert.ru/2011/07/26/tak-skolko-gaza-nuzhno-germanii/").
                    Ukraine buys from outside 33 billion cubic meters (data for 2012) (source "http://www.rbc.ua/rus/top/show/ukraina-snizila-potreblenie-gaza-v-2012-gn

                    a-7-6---do-54-7-mlrd-24012013182600")
                    Based on these figures, one can clearly understand that Ukraine can buy gas from Russia as much as Germany buys, Germany’s gas market is one of the largest in Europe. If Gazprom continues to pursue a rash pricing policy, then a gas market comparable to that of Germany will be lost - this process has already begun.
                    Quote: 528Obrp

                    Gazprom’s altruism is not and never was.

                    The cost of transporting gas to the buyer’s border at Gazprom is $ 350; they sell gas up to $ 400. That is, a gain of $ 50 minus taxes, well, take $ 10, then a net profit of $ 40. Now think about how you can get gas for $ 40 for free if the cost price production and transportation of 350 dollars. I repeat all these screams in the media is a stupid trial of the brothers who owes to whom. In fact, gas was delivered to us, which means at least we paid for its transportation. For all the years of independence, I have gas, heat and light has always been as I paid for it!
                    Quote: 528Obrp

                    As soon as another branch of the pipe starts, gas for Ukraine will become truly golden. Her budget simply cannot stand such prices.

                    Russia sells gas to Ukraine at $ 500 per 1k cubic meter.
                    Germany sells to Ukraine at $ 390 per 1k cubic meter.
                    Russia sells gas to Germany at $ 370 per 1 cubic meter.
                    (источник "http://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%AF%D0
                    %BD%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87:_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0
                    %B0_%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0_%C2%AB%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0
                    %BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%83%C2%BB_%D0%B2_%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%82%D0
                    %B5_%D1%88%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%B2?uselang=ru")
                    (стоимость газа для немцев 370 долл источник http://www.dw.de/%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%B8-%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC-%

                    D1%81%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%82-%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%B3

                    %D0%B0%D0%B7-%D0%B4%D0%BB%D1%8F-%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%8B/a-16464532)


                    Based on this, our gas is no longer the cheapest and our economy has not bent.

                    P.S. You are now writing as a person who has been brainwashed - Ukraine is only stealing and it cannot survive without Russia. Believe me, Ukraine does not steal and in fact it already lives without the support of Russia.
                    The gang that you have in power invested in these thoughts for you, you simply don’t realize that your gang runs the country. In Ukraine, it’s not that we know that a gang controls the country; it is legalized in our country, our prez is ZEK. All Ukrainians realize that why neither billionaires nor the government need them, they are dragging us all the juice and telling us that it’s worse, but if we go to the same Europe, we will let out that they are deceiving us, grub is cheaper, grub is better in quality, clothes are cheaper, cars are cheaper (I was in Europe and saw these prices on my own eyes). You think for yourself a little, find other sources of information, compare, and do not repeat phrases from Russian channels.
                  8. 528Obrp
                    528Obrp 15 October 2013 15: 10
                    0
                    Quote: lordinicus
                    Russia sells gas to Ukraine at $ 500 per 1k cubic meter.
                    ?????? Why buy, I would not, if

                    Quote: lordinicus
                    Germany sells to Ukraine at $ 390 per 1k cubic meter.

                    What is the point, why all these negotiations with Gazprom?
                    Think!
                  9. lordinicus
                    lordinicus 15 October 2013 15: 31
                    0
                    30 billion cubic meters cannot be found in one day, they will gradually come to an agreement with Arabs, Germans, and God knows who they would give the gas to. But nobody is talking to Gazprom anymore, it was confronted with a fact, we will buy less for $ 500. Kipish just Gazprom in the Russian media sits, and here it is quiet for the people in the bastard to listen to the same thing, they said digested and wait.
                  10. 528Obrp
                    528Obrp 15 October 2013 15: 36
                    0
                    Yeah, something doesn’t seem like
                    http://www.finam.ru/analysis/investorquestion000012C899/
                    But will the Arabs carry you on camels?
                    The Germans are not fools to lower the cost of production for future competitors. No, they will urgently offer you green and wind, but it is traveling. .
  • domokl
    domokl 14 October 2013 11: 30
    +8
    Quote: roma2
    They need a market for their goods and cheap raw materials,

    Sorry, I forgot how much the population in Belarus? This is a question about the market. And what raw materials does Belarus supply Russia at dumping prices?
    Please answer for the words.
    But the development of Belarus is largely due to the presence of a huge Russian market. Minsk quite rightly decided that it is stupid and economically inefficient to break the existing ties. And this has kept most of the country's most important enterprises.
    1. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 15 October 2013 15: 48
      0
      Quote: domokl
      But the development of Belarus is largely due to the presence of a huge Russian market

      I’ll add a little bit - Belarusian goods on a par with Russian ones have preferences when conducting tenders for state purchases, in addition, Belarus is the only country that is allowed in our defense industry, and on an equal footing
  • washi
    washi 14 October 2013 13: 42
    -1
    Quote: roma2
    Do you want to say that Belarus is very independent ??
    As soon as the dad decides to play his politics so soon comrade Onishchenko closes the border to Belarusian goods.
    Russia, as well as Europe, is not interested in the development of countries that have joined the CU. They need a market for the sale of their goods and cheap raw materials, and all competitors of their products will be crushed by the Onishchenko method.

    Or maybe it’s worth remembering that Onishchenko simply reacts to attempts to blackmail Comrade Lukashenko
  • Sgt.
    Sgt. 14 October 2013 18: 26
    +7
    Our unity is the greatest strength!
    One by one, the west will be crushed.
    The Americans boast of their "exclusivity" only because their European partners tacitly acknowledge their right to crush anyone who is against them.
    It's time to put them a real STOP.
    If we can get together in a new Union and prevent new "humpbacks" with a pro-Western "we-s-thinking" to power, we have a real chance to remain independent of "exclusive America"
    1. Qazaq
      Qazaq 14 October 2013 22: 23
      +3
      M.L.Ya, sergeant - can you and the SA return? Perhaps proud of the Soviet army? :-)
  • Lindon
    Lindon 14 October 2013 22: 24
    +2
    Do you really believe that you are not a colony yet?
  • peter_shchurov
    peter_shchurov 15 October 2013 00: 38
    +1
    **** http: //frankensstein.livejournal.com/448571.html
    Here is a link to a report from Donetsk, where a rally in support of the CU was held not so long ago.
    Motivation in people is present, which is especially clearly visible in the video.
    1. Don
      Don 21 October 2013 18: 41
      0
      Quote: peter_shchurov
      Here is a link to a report from Donetsk, where a rally in support of the CU was held not so long ago.
      Motivation in people is present, which is especially clearly visible in the video.

      You really don’t know how all the parties gather rallies in our country ?! Go to rallies in Kiev, ask students with flags what they are doing there, or rather for how much.) In our country, anyone can arrange a rally for money. And the Communists in Lviv and Bendera in Donetsk or Odessa.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 October 2013 08: 40
    17
    The fact that the benefits for those who joined the Customs Union are obvious. And the fact that Belarus will overtake Ukraine and Italy is just as clear "as daylight" and possibly earlier than the forecast time frame.
  • domokl
    domokl 14 October 2013 08: 40
    20
    I won’t comment economically and politically. It’s just philistine. Already now I do not perceive Belarusian or Kazakh goods as mine. And the prices and quality are appropriate. TS has proved that we can live in our country, but at the same time live together.
    Ordinary people, those who care not about geopolitics, but about their family, their relatives, their friends, perceive the CU as a natural development of the union, even as the beginning of the gathering of the USSR, only not in a single state (Why?), But in a union friends.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 14 October 2013 09: 58
      +4
      Don't you think that the TS has already replaced and made such an organization as the CIS almost unnecessary? You can argue that the CIS is a political organization, and the CU is economic. In my opinion, the CU has more politics than economics. I’m not going to open a discussion here, I’ll just ask what benefit can be brought to the economies of the CU countries by Armenia, which does not even have common borders with the CU countries? For me, the answer is clear, no use other than new subsidies for her. Just joining this country in the TC is a purely political gesture. And if one political organization duplicates another, then there is no sense in one of them.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 10: 08
        +5
        Quote: xetai9977
        I’m not going to open a discussion here, I’ll just ask what benefit Armenia can bring to the economies of the CU countries.

        Even so, what? Yes, and you personally are clearly not a supporter of the vehicle!
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 14 October 2013 12: 59
          +3
          I am a supporter that my country did not join either the WTO or the CU. I don’t want uncles from Washington, Moscow or Brussels to tell us what and how much to produce, what and how much to buy or sell to us. We’ll figure it out ourselves.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 14 October 2013 19: 19
            13
            Good evening, xеtai9977 (Raif)! There is no question of this. This was agreed immediately, otherwise the TS did not take place. Here's the thing. The CU is a territorial simplicity of 3 countries, where uniform customs excise taxes are in effect (but even taxes are different, for example, VAT - 18% Russia, 12% Kazakhstan). And nobody really dictates to us economical. politician. It is about creating your own market, about increasing trade between us. If one of our countries produces some kind of competitive product, then it will have, as a minimum, an advantage in our market and there is no need to pay money to a third country - let our own people get the work and pay for it. If earlier one hundred times rises to build this or that production in Kazakhstan (since the market is small and in reality production will be idle), now this problem disappears. For example, in the South Kazakhstan region (Chimkent), vineyards were planted on hundreds of hectares, special. brought from France elite varieties and the most modern equipment for the winery. This year will be the first wine (our advantage is that the sugar content is very good - even in that France there is no such indicator). And in Kazakhstan, the indicator of alcohol consumption decreases every year, and even more so - we don't like it. For me, so generally "sour", never respected, my head is cracking and you will not understand whether you are drunk or just seem to. We have Issyk wines, including elite (according to winemakers). We would have had enough. That is, due to the increase in the market, it is possible to develop a diversified economy. I believe that the CU opens up tremendous opportunities for Kazakhstan.
            But there are problems. Unfortunately, some goods of the Republic of Kazakhstan are prohibited from being imported into the Russian Federation. Find different reasons. Our business community is very worried about this right now. Probably, therefore, from the comment of Asket, there is a decrease in trade between the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation. But I think these roughness will be removed - Russia is not profitable for this kind of friction. And also there is a different business climate in our countries, different legislation or something. For example, certification of goods in Russia is very expensive. More than any "inspection and control" bodies. In Kazakhstan, for example, for already 10 years a moratorium on the inspection of "small and medium-sized businesses" - during this time I saw only a fireman in the office, and that was on business. BUT IT MAYBE EVEN AND BETTER. So, Raif, no Moscow rushes us.
            Our people are unhappy with only one thing - a rise in prices due to the rise of customs. excise taxes. But on the other hand, few people want to understand this, it takes 7-10 years to build new industries and carry out industrialization. Why so I think, I will try to explain. Russia entered the WTO (we are about to). The grace period is 7-10 years. After this period, all customs. acc. prices will be reduced and prices will fall - these are the conditions for installation. in the WTO. Excise taxes drop so that they become even lower than the old Kazakhstan ones before joining the WTO. And the market comes all the biggest app. companies (now they will be protected under the terms of the WTO) and they will have to butt on equal terms. That is, then building up new production is unprofitable. In the meantime, prices are high and we are protected by high customs. acc. profitable to engage in production (processing) and modernization. their economy. Something like this hi
            NY FOR THE UNION, drinks , brothers Russians and Belarusians.
          2. washi
            washi 14 October 2013 19: 20
            0
            Quote: xetai9977
            I am a supporter that my country did not join either the WTO or the CU. I don’t want uncles from Washington, Moscow or Brussels to tell us what and how much to produce, what and how much to buy or sell to us. We’ll figure it out ourselves.

            Unfortunately will have to. Although I myself do not understand the meaning of joining the WTO of the Russian Federation
          3. 528Obrp
            528Obrp 15 October 2013 11: 55
            0
            Quote: xetai9977
            I don’t want uncles from Washington, Moscow or Brussels to tell us what and how much to produce, what and how much to buy or sell to us.

            Well then they will not tell you, but order
            Quote: xetai9977
            uncles from washington
            . But do not follow the order - instant and unconditional democratization. So many examples around ...
      2. domokl
        domokl 14 October 2013 10: 10
        +6
        Quote: xetai9977
        The TS has already replaced and made such an organization as the CIS almost unnecessary

        I also have the same opinion. Now the organization is not understood at all ... How can one tear politics away from the economy? Whoever dines with the girl dances ...
        But I don’t agree in Armenia. This is not only a sales market for TS goods, but also the opportunity to satisfy the market with goods that were previously received, for example, from Georgia ..
    2. Lindon
      Lindon 14 October 2013 10: 18
      +5
      And how will you perceive the goods where it will be written "Made in TS"?
      After all, such a task is set so that manufacturers do not write "Made in Russia / Belarus / Kazakhstan"
      1. domokl
        domokl 14 October 2013 10: 49
        +1
        Just like now. I react normally to -Made in the EU. Now and then we don’t really look who produced it and what. So, this problem will not arise at all, in my opinion.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 14 October 2013 11: 30
          0
          Quote: domokl
          Now and then we don’t really look at who produced and what. So, such a problem will not arise at all, in my opinion.

          Moreover, under the symbol "Made by EU", almost 90% of the "hides" a Chinese manufacturer ...
          1. domokl
            domokl 14 October 2013 11: 46
            +2
            Quote: Corsair
            Moreover, under the symbol "Made by EU", almost 90% of the "hides" a Chinese manufacturer ...

            If the products are guaranteed by EU standards and meet all the requirements of the EU, then why not? What has Nokia lost by transferring the production of almost all of its phones to China? The United States uses Mexico in the same way.
            1. washi
              washi 14 October 2013 13: 59
              +1
              Quote: domokl
              Quote: Corsair
              Moreover, under the symbol "Made by EU", almost 90% of the "hides" a Chinese manufacturer ...

              If the products are guaranteed by EU standards and meet all the requirements of the EU, then why not? What has Nokia lost by transferring the production of almost all of its phones to China? The United States uses Mexico in the same way.

              Nokia officially brought only components to China. The main production (telephones) is stamped Malaysia.
              Lost market replacements with Chinese phones and the creation of a competitor
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 15 October 2013 09: 12
              0
              Quote: domokl
              If products are guaranteed by EU standards and meet all EU requirements, then why not?
              Here I am about the same, but for some reason (-) laughing , maybe the specified percentage of "Chinese substitution" in the share of European goods confused someone? request
  • Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 14 October 2013 08: 51
    14
    If Ukraine finds itself in Geyropa and not with us, the people of Ukraine will be to blame, as well as the corrupt elite. You can’t treat yourself so irresponsibly.
    1. Lech from our city
      Lech from our city 14 October 2013 08: 56
      14
      Not everything is so simple-east of UKRAINE gravitates more toward RUSSIA; water is mostly muddied by Galician Westerners and the Ukrainian oligarchy with their contributions to the WEST.
      They are ready for their stolen grandmas to sell to anyone.
      1. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 14 October 2013 09: 27
        +3
        Quote: Lech from our city
        water is mostly muddied by Galician Westerners and the Ukrainian oligarchy with their contributions to the WEST

        I suspect that somewhere Poland helps a lot, the Poles put the skirts of an independent huge cinder blocks fellow from that and the butchert sobstna hi
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 14 October 2013 11: 56
          +1
          Quote: Strezhevchanin
          I suspect that somewhere Poland helps a lot

          Do not forget about the Romanians who dream of returning the lost ...
    2. Akim
      Akim 14 October 2013 11: 34
      +1
      Quote: Silkway0026
      If Ukraine ends up in Geyropa and not with us, the people of Ukraine will also be to blame

      You yourself are not tired, in every topic about Ukraine, is this with reason and without reason to repeat?
      1. domokl
        domokl 14 October 2013 11: 49
        0
        Quote: Akim
        You yourself are not tired, in every topic about Ukraine, is this with reason and without reason to repeat?

        laughing Well, hot topic. You are talking about the elephant and the Pug history. Now you can perfectly capitalize on these issues.
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            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 12: 21
              +3
              Quote: Essenger
              Judging by the local comments, the victory over Georgia is the most outstanding victory of Russia in history)))

              Yes, yes, there were no other victories in the history of Russia. There is one problem, only a few countries remained, who did not receive anything from Russia laughing
              1. Essenger
                Essenger 14 October 2013 12: 35
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: Essenger
                Judging by the local comments, the victory over Georgia is the most outstanding victory of Russia in history)))

                Yes, yes, there were no other victories in the history of Russia. There is one problem, only a few countries remained, who did not receive anything from Russia laughing

                Yes, no problem, you have a great story no one disputes.
                But when the five-day conflict is perceived as a victory over America, it makes people laugh, someone even wrote that we (the Russian Federation) fought there with the Americans)))
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 13: 00
                  +2
                  Quote: Essenger
                  But when a five-day conflict is perceived as a victory over America, this makes people laugh, someone even wrote that we (the Russian Federation) fought there with the Americans))

                  In fact, it is, the clash of interests between the United States and Russia, and Georgia was a bargaining chip for the United States. With regards to amers, so that few blacks were buried there? Look for old videos, is it full of black bodies or are they Georgians?
                  1. Essenger
                    Essenger 14 October 2013 13: 03
                    +4
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Look for old videos, is it full of black bodies or are they Georgians?

                    In the Chechen war there were not only blacks, but also Arabs, Balts, Ukrainians, etc. Does this mean that they fought against the USA, the Arab League, Ukraine, the Baltic countries?
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 16: 05
                      0
                      Quote: Essenger
                      In the Chechen war there were not only blacks, but also Arabs,

                      1. Who sponsored the Chechen shushara?
                      2. Who armed, trained the Georgian army and who made plans for the attack on Ossetia? Georgian generals probably laughing
                      1. Essenger
                        Essenger 15 October 2013 19: 03
                        +3
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        . Who armed, trained the Georgian army and who made plans for the attack on Ossetia? Georgian generals probably

                        I do not have access to such information, it seems you have it. Share it?
              2. Corsair
                Corsair 15 October 2013 00: 21
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                who from Russia in the belly did not receive

                In the "belly" ?! Alexander, you are mistaken! We give mainly "to the head" to be remembered for a long time ...
    3. washi
      washi 14 October 2013 14: 24
      -6
      Quote: Silkway0026
      If Ukraine finds itself in Geyropa and not with us, the people of Ukraine will be to blame, as well as the corrupt elite. You can’t treat yourself so irresponsibly.

      I do not agree on all points.
      States: "Ukraine", "Estonia", "Latvia", "Lithuania", "Belarus", "Kyrgyzstan", "Kazakhstan", "Uzbekistan", etc. are artificially created. You can recreate states (in their territories) such as the Kokand Khanate, or the Duchy of Courland.
      There is no people of the "state of Ukraine". There is a handful of opportunists and egoists, as evidenced by the entire history of the population of this territory. This population remembers the Russian (Slavic) roots only when it becomes bad. And before that they hate. Remember the "brothers" of Serbs, Bulgarians, Orthodox Romanians.
      Let everyone go where they want. Stalin, nevertheless, is smart. He was waiting. And we will wait. But they are citizens of the 2nd level.
      They are already 2nd. At the Minsk airport, I just looked at the documents (passport of the Russian Federation). Citizens Ukrainians checked things.
      Passing the border with KZ. In that direction without problems. Reverse sometimes shmonat (as I understand it, they are looking for a drug)
      1. peter_shchurov
        peter_shchurov 15 October 2013 00: 51
        +2
        Quote: Vasya
        At the Minsk airport, I just looked at the documents (passport of the Russian Federation). Citizens Ukrainians checked things.

        yes to the border guards, probably, the zapadlo was in your dirty socks and holey underpants to dig?
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 15 October 2013 01: 53
        +1
        Quote: Vasya
        Reverse sometimes shmonat (as I understand it, they are looking for a drug)

        Apparently behaving inappropriately ... wink
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 14 October 2013 09: 02
    21
    Union indestructible republics of free! drinks
    1. domokl
      domokl 14 October 2013 10: 54
      +5
      Quote: Asan Ata
      Union indestructible republics of free! drinks

      It’s free !!! Troubles were, are and will be. But the main thing is that for the people all these borders and foreign countries should only be on the maps. Like in the USSR.
      1. peter_shchurov
        peter_shchurov 15 October 2013 00: 53
        0
        Quote: domokl
        . But the main thing is that for the people all these borders, foreign countries should be only on the maps. Like in the USSR.

        But there, in Europe, America, as well, freely released?
  • morpogr
    morpogr 14 October 2013 09: 06
    +5
    As long as we have the opportunity to unite, we must do this so we will protect our market from foreign concerns and give our citizens the opportunity to work and the movement of people within the borders of the customs union. But you should not look at the economic and strategic component, especially on the presence of a normal border so that there is no flow of migrants and control over goods from other countries.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 14 October 2013 09: 11
    24
    Sam from TOMSK here Oil is sold Belorussian --PRIM
    as with TIPS quality! It's nice that they kept the technology and quality!
    I am glad that let us in the UNION and ECONOMIC!
    NEXT YEAR GOING TO KAZAKHSTAN to relax.
    Here it would be to know what IS and BELARUS to look - it is possible to drive away in the guest!
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 14 October 2013 09: 51
      +4
      Mnsk I recommend to visit, there is something to see!
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 14 October 2013 14: 11
        +2
        Quote: klimpopov
        Mnsk I recommend to visit, there is something to see!

        Brest Fortress! MANDATORY!
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 15 October 2013 09: 17
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          Brest Fortress! MANDATORY!

          And Khatyn ...
    2. avt
      avt 14 October 2013 10: 18
      +6
      Quote: Nitarius
      Sam from TOMSK here Oil is sold Belorussian --PRIM
      as with TIPS quality!

      I try to take milk, Belarusian or rarely flown Volga, stew only them. In fact, they put meat in pieces, but you also need to look who the producer is. There is someone who starts pampering or who mows counterfeit for them.
      1. roma2
        roma2 14 October 2013 10: 49
        -5
        I try to take the milk Belarusian or rarely flying Volga, stew only them


        not so long ago a ban on the import of Belarusian milk into Russia was discussed on this site, so YOU ​​have been faulting it for what the light stands on, but what has changed now ?? Father caved in front of Volodya and she immediately began to answer all the GUESTS.
        1. avt
          avt 14 October 2013 11: 29
          +2
          Quote: roma2
          so YOU ​​have been faulting her for what the light is,

          A link to the studio when I personally hailed her. There is an archive of comments, the time is also known, be so kind as to provide a fact. That's just not the point to add to the products and their quality my critical attitude to the "union state" of a complete organizational misunderstanding.
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          2. domokl
            domokl 14 October 2013 11: 51
            +2
            Quote: avt
            A link to the studio when I personally cherished it.
            Bravo Aut.Very interesting to read comments in the style, I said, it means so. And all the people will support me. good
      2. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 14 October 2013 10: 52
        +2
        The best stew is the German 1945 of the year. soldier
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 14 October 2013 10: 54
          +4
          American stew of the same years. "Second front". smile
        2. domokl
          domokl 14 October 2013 10: 57
          +3
          Quote: Milafon
          The best stew is the German 1945 of the year.

          Nonsense. Bullshit stew. I ate a long time ago. But the American of that year really .. stew. As ours from the Soviet army reserves.
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    4. Asan Ata
      Asan Ata 14 October 2013 14: 47
      +3
      Welcome! drinks
    5. peter_shchurov
      peter_shchurov 16 October 2013 17: 51
      0
      Quote: Nitarius
      here Belarusian oil is sold --PRIM
      as with TIPS quality!


      the main thing is that sour cream does not have such a "quality", otherwise I will remember sour cream freely
      spilling out of a jar and cyanotic milk ..
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 16 October 2013 17: 55
        +2
        Quote: peter_shchurov
        otherwise I will remember sour cream freely
        pouring out of a can

        Do you think that thickeners in sour cream increase its quality?
    6. T80UM1
      T80UM1 18 October 2013 14: 34
      +2
      I buy Belarusian stew myself, recently bought furniture, quality!
  • Essenger
    Essenger 14 October 2013 09: 14
    0
    Regarding 80% in Kazakhstan, this is a blatant lie, on the contrary 80% against the TS.
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 14 October 2013 09: 19
      +8
      So provide a link that confirms this.
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 14 October 2013 09: 32
        -1
        Quote: Basileus
        So provide a link that confirms this.

        In my environment there is not a single supporter of the TS, I invite you to fb.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 10: 09
          +5
          Quote: Essenger
          In my environment there is not a single supporter of the TS,

          And how many are you there, millions wassat
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 14 October 2013 10: 17
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Essenger
            In my environment there is not a single supporter of the TS,

            And how many are you there, millions wassat

            Are there millions in that poll too? interviewed hundreds or another in the vicinity of the akimat and say 80% of Kazakhs for the vehicle.
            1. Basileus
              Basileus 14 October 2013 10: 32
              +3
              Statistics - science is quite interesting and tricky. I think those who interview people know how many people and in what areas to interview.
              1. Essenger
                Essenger 14 October 2013 11: 04
                +3
                Quote: Basileus
                I think those who interview people know how many people and in what areas to interview.

                It is unlikely that they are fulfilling the order, at least in Kazakhstan.
                1. Basileus
                  Basileus 14 October 2013 12: 04
                  +1
                  Well, imagine custom polls. Or there are none?
                2. turan_up
                  turan_up 14 October 2013 12: 14
                  +2
                  you probably also on order from all Natsik so write?
                  1. Essenger
                    Essenger 14 October 2013 12: 18
                    +3
                    Quote: turan_up
                    you probably also on order from all Natsik so write?

                    No, by order of the State Department, 1 comment - $ 5. In one comment, at least two sentences should have 10 words. Here's another 5 dollars earned.
                3. Kasym
                  Kasym 14 October 2013 21: 39
                  +8
                  Essenger, good evening! Glad to see you. But you yourself claimed on this site that there are only three of you (our fellow countrymen on the site) who are against, and the rest (the majority) are for. And it seems to me that all three of you have no children, that is, you are young. And the only reason is the fear that the Russian Federation will dictate terms to us and will never consider us equal.
                  But so far our taxes are lower than Russian. In addition to price increases, I did not see much expansion. companies and changes. But if you don’t have a hard time reading my comments today. articles where the RK is affected - there I explained why prices fell and what nuances appeared. In the end, y Kazakhstan has its own levers (like y Russia) of influence on the Russian Federation. The transit of ALL goods from Central Asia goes through us, the same Turkmen and Uzbek gas and cotton. The Ural region consumes a huge amount of our coal (for example, there are places where mining is carried out by the open pit; in Kyzbas, by the mine method, which is much more expensive). Our country, which is practically nothing to replace. We can block the railway to the Far East. Our grain, which must be added to Russia because of the low gluten content. We guarantee the security of joint borders. Yes, a lot more. So we need others. And there is huge potential for growth.
                  We have only 5 neighbors with whom we have a secure border. Tell me with whom to integrate then? Self-isolation according to the type of Uzbekistan threatens with stagnation and we will dream of the previous economic growth at 13%. We have reached its peak. Nobody will open their market for us - this is unique. China is only now ready to open, when I realized where we went. Stirred and quickly stirred. And before they demanded to load grain in bags, and now a permanent committee on cross-border cooperation. Over 20 years, they invested about 25 billion, but they came and at once signed their intentions for 30 billion. AND THIS IS PARTLY THE CONDITION FOR THE CREATION OF A CU. WHAT WAS THE XI JINPIN'S STATEMENTS THAT CHINA IS NOT GOING TO DOMINATE IN CA, AND IS READY FOR A CLOSE MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL PARTNERSHIP.
                  Essenger, when the children appear, you will realize that there is nothing more expensive than their future and their safety. And Russia can provide it. Only Russia can speak on equal terms with the West (it has more truth than y west). We can only add that our voices and bayonets. China has not yet reached.
                  You spoke about the Turkic Union. And are there really few of them in Russia. Territorially, the Turkic peoples have a significant part of the Russian Federation, at least more than Turkey. So, I don't see any particular contradictions with you. But even though we all burst, Uzbeks and Turkmens are AGAINST. But when we in the Customs Union double the GDP, then we'll see what they say. We cannot wait now. The Kyrgyz have already matured, but now "tough procedures" await them. Azerbaijan is also not ready because of NK and we have no cargo border. And here Russia plays a big role. But if Azerbaijan says yes, then Kazakhstan will lay its bones, but will drag it into the vehicle. So, as can be seen from the analysis, little depends on us. Only by personal example - if we increase the well-being of the people in fact, and not on paper, then we will provide the future Union of new candidates. No - this result is unacceptable for Nazarbayev. So, we live in an interesting time. hi
                  1. Zymran
                    Zymran 14 October 2013 22: 07
                    +4
                    Quote: Kasym

                    Glad to see you. But you yourself claimed on this site that there are only three of you (our fellow countrymen on the site) who are against, and the rest (the majority) are for


                    Not three, but more. In this topic, two more, so to speak, renounced the vehicle. Also, consider the traditional Kazakh mentality. We are a guest on this site and most try not to talk about things that might hurt the hosts.
                    The converse is also true when the Russians say that in the KZ, familiar Kazakhs support the union. We must make the guest pleasant.

                    As for age, I personally am 27 years old.

                    Quote: Kasym
                    and in the end, y Kazakhstan has its own levers (like y Russia) of influence on the Russian Federation.


                    That's it. There is. But our country never uses them, which is clearly perceived as weakness, and it is.


                    Quote: Kasym
                    Essenger, when the children appear, you will realize that there is nothing more expensive than their future and their safety. And Russia can provide it


                    And I even know whose children and whose safety we are talking about. wink
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym 15 October 2013 00: 42
                      +5
                      Zimran, welcome! Glad to see you!
                      Yes, at least how much, dear! After all, I logically try to approach the question. So I ask Essenger, with whom to integrate further? Which neighbor can I open borders with? After all, continue to sit on raw materials, well, okay, your generation will sit next; and then what? No one can answer. It is impossible to develop industry with a low population. Look at the Baltic countries - they ruined the entire industry, because there are no sales markets and the EU countries have tried.
                      Here is a very recent example. Delivered a video surveillance system. I want to certify. And they tell me that there is no equipment for testing fiber-optic cable. What to do ? You bring me the n-th symmy, I'll do everything. And I need everything legal. Legally, we must send your sample with all the evidence where there are equipment, everything will be done there. But get ready to lose about a million tenge only for the cable and for the time of 6 months. will take, if not more. That is, we get along. Who is the government stopping you from resolving the issue? In Russia, it’s not suckers who understand that we don’t have the appropriate equipment. The same situation with medicines. Do everything by ym, and then ask from others. Of course, and the Russian Federation stigma in the middle. But I don’t think it will take so long.
                      Well oh well, time will tell. hi
              2. xetai9977
                xetai9977 14 October 2013 13: 09
                +5
                The result of social surveys depends on who conducts the survey and for what purpose. It will be necessary, the result will be derived diametrically opposite to the previous one, spent a day ago. Thank God, we all live in post-Soviet countries and have seen it all repeatedly.
              3. alone
                alone 14 October 2013 20: 24
                +2
                Quote: Basileus
                Statistics - science is quite interesting and tricky. I think those who interview people know how many people and in what areas to interview.


                for example, I conduct a sociological survey about the head of the administration of a certain region. I visit his ancestral village and start a survey. Then I give the results: -90% of the residents of the district support the head of the district administration))).
                1. Basileus
                  Basileus 16 October 2013 08: 42
                  0
                  Nothing prevents the most numerous, according to Esanger, opposition from conducting a normal "honest" poll. But he never submitted any links other than the Facebook poll.
                  1. Essenger
                    Essenger 16 October 2013 10: 20
                    +1
                    Basileus opposition is almost gone, except for the nationalists. It’s hard to call their opposition. I wrote that most people do not support the vehicle.
        2. turan_up
          turan_up 14 October 2013 12: 13
          +4
          There are no TS supporters in my environment
          If you are a convict, then most of the convicts are in your environment. If a nerd - nerds. DO NOT judge 16 million Kazakhstan by your friends.
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 14 October 2013 12: 21
            +1
            Quote: turan_up
            If you are a convict, then most of the convicts are in your environment.

            And I'm making comments while in jail, through wifi

            Quote: turan_up
            DO NOT judge 16 million Kazakhstan by your friends.

            Who said that only friends surround me? I communicate with many people through social. network. Most are interested in politics, journalists, even there are scientists and naturally ordinary people. Which live from paycheck to paycheck, I’ll tell you prices have risen and hit affordably hard.
        3. ultra
          ultra 14 October 2013 17: 07
          +2
          Quote: Essenger
          In my environment there is not a single supporter of the TS, I invite you to fb.

          Deadly "statistics"! There is nothing to argue against this! lol
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 09: 20
      13
      Quote: Essenger
      Regarding 80% in Kazakhstan, this is a blatant lie, on the contrary 80% against the TS.

      If 80% were against it, hell would Nazarbayev join the TS. As far as I remember, you are not an ardent supporter of the TS. So don’t wishful thinking! Kazakhstan is in the CU today, and the rest is your problem!
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 14 October 2013 09: 36
        -3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        If 80% were against it, hell would Nazarbayev join the TS.

        You do not know the situation in the KZ at all, and when did Nazarbayev do something for the people? He and Putin absolutely do not care about his people.

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        .You, as far as I remember, are not an ardent supporter of the TS. So don’t wishful thinking! Kazakhstan is in the CU today, and the rest is your problem!

        These are not my personal problems, this is the problem of my people.
        If Russia continues this "integration" this way, you will get a new Russophobic country, no worse than the Baltics or Georgia. After the start of the TS, in Kazakhstan, Russophobia is off the charts.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 10: 48
          +3
          Quote: Essenger

          You don’t know the situation in KZ

          You are not one of Kazakhstan here, I correspond with some in PM and sometimes ask what's what on this or that issue.
          Quote: Essenger
          and when did Nazarbayev do something for the people?

          Well, we also have those that Putin did good for the people. You are the opposition for European integration
          Quote: Essenger

          These are not my personal problems, this is the problem of my people.

          The people are for the vehicle, and your fantasies about 80% against are your fantasies and your problems!
          Quote: Essenger
          After the beginning of the work of the TS, Russophobia rolls over in Kazakhstan.

          And what are you doing on Russian site, come on your own and agitation - no TS
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 14 October 2013 11: 13
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I correspond with some in PM and sometimes ask what’s happening on this or that issue.

            Well done

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The people behind the vehicle,

            but do not say so, I’m more than sure many Kazakhs who are here for an alliance with Russia work in government institutions.

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And what are you doing on Russian site, come on your own and agitation - no TS

            laughing When ordinary users write to me like that, I understand, but when the moderator is something. Let's agree so if this my comment gets 80 minuses, I promise you will be removed from here. Why 80? Here we are talking about 80 percent))) I saw comments where the pros / cons exceeded 100. So this is not particularly difficult.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 11: 20
              -1
              Quote: Essenger
              I'm more than sure

              Link to the studio!
              Quote: Essenger
              when ordinary users write to me like that, I understand, but when the moderator is something

              I am the same visitor as everyone!
              Quote: Essenger
              . Let's agree so if this my comment gets 80 minuses, I promise you will be removed from here

              I asked a question, but did not ask you to dump the site on any terms. I do not have the right to drive anyone from the site and from elsewhere.
              And where is the link that 80% against TS. There above the person asked to provide. Link to the studio!
              1. Essenger
                Essenger 14 October 2013 11: 41
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I don’t have the right to drive anyone from a Sait site or from somewhere else.


                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                come on your own and agitation - no vehicle

                You contradict yourself.

                https://www.facebook.com/groups/golosnaroda/
                1. Basileus
                  Basileus 14 October 2013 12: 06
                  +4
                  A poll and a Facebook poll are slightly different things. Some oppositionist with the letter N can arrange a poll on his blog "Putin - a swindler and a thief?", And the result will tend to 100%.
                  1. Essenger
                    Essenger 14 October 2013 12: 42
                    -1
                    Quote: Basileus
                    A poll and a Facebook poll are slightly different things. Some oppositionist with the letter N can arrange a poll on his blog "Putin - a swindler and a thief?", And the result will tend to 100%.

                    As I understand you, the Tatars, how do you feel about the self-determination of the Tatar people?
                    1. Basileus
                      Basileus 14 October 2013 12: 52
                      +4
                      To self-determination? As an autonomous subject of the Russian Federation, as it is now - positively. Only the latter can call for separation, as for me.

                      Just how does this relate to statistics?
                      1. Essenger
                        Essenger 14 October 2013 12: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Basileus
                        Just how does this relate to statistics?

                        in no way

                        So against independence?
                      2. Basileus
                        Basileus 14 October 2013 13: 40
                        +6
                        To live for almost five hundred years as part of one country, being practically in its center and preserving the national language, culture, consciousness, separate? And then the economy will rise from the air? Tatarstan and Bashkortostan do not even have an external border.
                      3. Essenger
                        Essenger 15 October 2013 19: 22
                        +2
                        Quote: Basileus
                        Tatarstan and Bashkortostan do not even have an external border.

                        Who said it is impossible to live without an external border?
                      4. Basileus
                        Basileus 16 October 2013 08: 39
                        0
                        I justified everything else to you above. And where did I say that is impossible?
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 15 October 2013 00: 17
        +1
        Quote: Essenger
        i'm more than sure

        "- I'm more than sure" -
        The argument is certainly weighty, but there is a classic against it
        "- I do not believe".
  • domokl
    domokl 14 October 2013 11: 03
    +8
    Quote: Essenger
    These are not my personal problems, this is the problem of my people.

    I live on the border with your people. And I see a lot in my city. Romanov’s rights are your personal problem. We communicate, go to hockey and visit each other. Our hosts and even friends.
    Or maybe I communicate with other Kazakhs? Or are it not Kazakhs who come to visit me? And what kind of Uighurs study with us too? laughing
    speaking for the whole nation is not solid. There are supporters, there are opponents. But how does your president wear opponents in the elections? Almost the same as the Old Man in Belarus. So they support him laughing
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 14 October 2013 11: 19
      -6
      Quote: domokl
      I live on the border with your people.

      No wonder, the north of Kazakhstan is a hotbed of mankurtism

      Quote: domokl
      .But how does your president shoe opponents in the elections? Almost the same as the Old Man in Belarus. So he is supported

      Well, in terms of democracy, Putler, Nazar and Old Man are all equal.
      1. domokl
        domokl 14 October 2013 11: 59
        +7
        Quote: Essenger
        Well, in terms of democracy, Putler, Nazar and Old Man are all equal

        Here we’ll finish this statement. Why argue with a man who is fighting for his people, branding them with pig marks. When our late singer sang about the fate of the Russian Cossack, you’re going to fight ... For popular power, with your own people.
        When a person is a nationalist, I understand him. He painfully loves his people and his roots. And when a person begins to divide even his people, this is an enemy. Not mine, but his own people. And he must be destroyed. In all ways ...
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 14 October 2013 12: 06
          +2
          Quote: domokl
          And with this statement we finish

          no problem
  • turan_up
    turan_up 14 October 2013 12: 18
    +5
    You about Panfilov Division did you hear ?? And she was recruited from the VOLUNTEERS in the steppes. And my relatives live in your area. And they don’t remember something that in Soviet times Russophobia was. And now that every neo-Nazi trash divorced - it's bad, but not fatal.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 14 October 2013 12: 25
      +1
      Quote: turan_up
      And the fact that now any neo-Nazi trash

      Our situation is not critical, but you should already worry, judging by the biryulev. Your country is turning into a fascist one.
  • Starfish
    Starfish 14 October 2013 14: 49
    +2
    I agree with you in some way, of course we must unite.
    that's just how the oligarchs do it, neither Kazakhstan, nor Belarus, and especially Ukraine will not be very pleased.
    on the other hand, the EU’s morals are not at all the best, and in addition, gay culture will be imposed with tolerance
  • washi
    washi 14 October 2013 19: 33
    -2
    You do not know the situation in the KZ at all, and when did Nazarbayev do something for the people? He and Putin absolutely do not care about his people.
    He made the Kazakhs the titular nation. Because of this, you have no one to work with.
    [quote = Alexander Romanov]. As far as I remember, you are not an ardent supporter of the TS. So do not wishful thinking! Kazakhstan is in the vehicle today, and the rest is your problem! [/ Quote]
    These are not my personal problems, this is the problem of my people.
    Yes, these are the problems of All Asia. Well, Asians are not capable of producing technology. The brains are not the same. Copying - and not everyone succeeds.
    If Russia continues this "integration" this way, you will get a new Russophobic country, no worse than the Baltics or Georgia. After the start of the TS, in Kazakhstan, Russophobia is off the charts. [/ Quote]
    She had already scaled. That is why literate people flee from there. You will return to your yurts again. because Kazakh should not work
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 15 October 2013 09: 22
      -1
      Quote: Vasya
      He made the Kazakhs the titular nation.

      You have to understand that the concept of "titular nation" hides a veiled form of nationalism ...
    2. Drummer
      Drummer 15 October 2013 20: 24
      +3
      Quote: Vasya
      Yes, these are the problems of All Asia. Well, Asians are not capable of producing technology. The brains are not the same. Copying - and not everyone succeeds.

      Hellish annealing. How about 99% of your things (from underpants to your computer) made in China, Korea, or Taiwan?
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 14 October 2013 09: 43
    +6
    According to the comments, there is a one-sided praise of the TS by the Russian forum users, for example, the Kazakhs (almost no Belarusians on the forum, unfortunately) were divided. It would be interesting to listen to the Kazakhs — did you feel any shifts in one direction or another after joining the TS?
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 14 October 2013 09: 45
      +2
      Quote: xetai9977
      Did you feel any shifts in one direction or another after joining the TS?

      There are more basins
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 15 October 2013 09: 23
        -1
        Quote: Essenger
        There are more basins

        You will be cleaner!
    2. Lech from our city
      Lech from our city 14 October 2013 09: 47
      +4
      Nonsense, for example, I do not consider the current TS a reliable structure - too much depends on the personality of the head of state.
      Any political upheaval and the economy begins to shake in all directions.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 15 October 2013 09: 55
        0
        Quote: Lech from our city
        Nonsense, for example, I do not consider the current TS a reliable structure - too much depends on the personality of the head of state.
        Any political upheaval and the economy begins to shake in all directions.

        From the processes described by you are not insured not one financial and economic structure ...
        Still, apparently it is more appropriate to talk about the "safety margin" of the vehicle, which, I have no doubt, will (and more than once) be tested by world shocks ...
    3. Hleb
      Hleb 14 October 2013 10: 33
      +3
      in fact, Kazakhstanis want a rapprochement with Russia. A big plus for both sides is simplified entry and visiting. You do not need extra troubles with registration, you can safely visit for a month and not look for someone to register you, register. but with on the other hand, if earlier from the border regions of Russia we went to Kazakhstan for things, food, appliances .... today it’s not so rosy. The prices in Kazakhstan have risen markedly. It is especially noticeable in apartments, things. Always envied that you can buy a normal left-handed euro peytsa at an affordable price, but the price of the machine is also vyrosli.vot why many Kazakhstanis see minuses in TC
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 14 October 2013 10: 45
        +4
        Quote: Gleb
        but on the other hand, if earlier from the border regions of Russia we went to Kazakhstan for things, food, appliances .... today it’s not so rosy. The prices in Kazakhstan have risen noticeably. It is especially noticeable in apartments, things. Always envied that you can buy a normal left-handed European at a reasonable price, but for cars prices also rose


        Absolutely.

        Quote: Gleb
        in fact, Kazakhstan people want a rapprochement with Russia. A big plus for both sides is simplified entry and visiting. You do not need extra troubles with registration, you can safely visit for a month and not look for someone to register you,



        This is an extremely dubious plus amid the minuses. Registering once once is not difficult in principle.
    4. ed65b
      ed65b 14 October 2013 10: 35
      -2
      Quote: xetai9977
      According to the comments, there is a one-sided praise of the TS by the Russian forum users, for example, the Kazakhs (almost no Belarusians on the forum, unfortunately) were divided. It would be interesting to listen to the Kazakhs — did you feel any shifts in one direction or another after joining the TS?

      Don’t worry Rauf, there will be no end to the citizens of the Republic of Kazakhstan and you’ll hear all sorts of different opinions laughing
    5. Zymran
      Zymran 14 October 2013 10: 42
      0
      There are no positive ones. Prices have increased.
    6. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 10: 49
      +1
      Quote: xetai9977
      and, for example, Kazakhs (there are almost no Belarusians on the forum, unfortunately)

      Everyone sees only what he wants to see.
      Quote: xetai9977
      . It would be interesting to listen to the Kazakhs — did you feel any shifts in one direction or another after joining the TS?

      This was repeatedly written and laid out by the Kazakhs themselves and there were articles.
    7. turan_up
      turan_up 14 October 2013 12: 25
      0
      It would be interesting..
    8. Irtysh
      Irtysh 14 October 2013 13: 07
      +5
      I hope that in Belarus the majority understands that the path to the West will lead to the complete destruction of production and the economy. You know, somehow I would not want this.

      So alternatives to the vehicle are not visible.
    9. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 20 October 2013 15: 08
      0
      Quote: xetai9977
      It would be interesting to listen to the Kazakhs — did you feel any shifts in one direction or another after joining the TS?

      if we talk about me as a simple person, then I see only disadvantages so far. at the same time, I am a supporter of the CU and further integration processes. how was it with Lenin? "one step back - two steps forward."
      what I see at the moment: 1) the prices of imported goods have risen by a third. 2) annoyed by the increased amount of Russian car trash on the roads, from which the Kazakhs have already become very unaccustomed. 3) there are more Russian and Belarusian food products in stores; and if I take Belarusian products willingly and consider them good, then I perceive Russian products as a set of chemicals, and try not to buy. but other people cannot be picky like me, and are ready to buy cheap Russian shitty products, since Kazakh products are usually more expensive because of their high quality. it’s very difficult to stumble on a low-quality Kazakh product, but Russian (and Ukrainian) products are halimonies from soy and all kinds of chemical additives. no offense.
      however, despite these disadvantages, Kazakhstani business felt the pluses. Kazakhstani food producers (except for vodka producers) entered the Russian market and found their buyer there. tobacco companies (through intermediaries) and car manufacturers also entered the Russian market. in general, now all Kazakhstani producers now take into account the neighboring market. it's great.
  • malikszh
    malikszh 14 October 2013 11: 59
    +3
    I agree after entry, everything has risen in price, especially gasoline! it was 80 tenge now 110 and will be 117 tenge. the reason is that gasoline is expensive in Russia, we don’t produce anything anymore, now with the opening of the border production firms are closing because goods coming from Russia cannot withstand competition and accordingly Kazakhstan is losing a lot of money, minus our GDP. also equipment for the oil industry comes from Europe, the border crosses into Belarus and Russia, respectively, duties are paid there again we lose money!
    1. washi
      washi 14 October 2013 19: 42
      0
      Sami ditched production drove the Slavs, and now complaining?
      Draw back.
      I would return, but my house has already been destroyed. A park nearby was cut down
      1. Qazaq
        Qazaq 14 October 2013 22: 34
        0
        No, live in Russia. When the Russians leave there, everything is destroyed and cut down. You just have a bad aura.
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 20 October 2013 11: 25
        +1
        Vasya, how tired you are with the theme of the mythical destruction of industry, the "expelling" of the Slavs and the "cutting down" of trees.
        1) Do not want to understand the industry of Kazakhstan - do not tryndi on this topic.
        2) Nobody kicked out the Slavs. They left for ECONOMIC reasons, there was nothing to eat. And that's when you and your neighbors cut down the trees in the park, and when you left, new trees were planted there. I've already uploaded pictures to you. It was not the "mythical Kazakhs" who cut down the trees in the early 90s, they were not really there at that time. You and your neighbors did it. There was no one else. And there is no need to tell that your house was destroyed, hinting at the wild barbarians who burst in from the steppe, broke your hearth in a fit of nationalism. Forgot how Russians left small towns? They filmed everything, down to the handles in the toilet door and the latches. On the internet you can find the memories of former Kazakhs who, leaving all sorts of "priozersk", smashed the tiles in the apartments, "so that the Kazakhs do not get it." Who has not seen robbed high-rise buildings in Kazakhstan? For ten years, these houses have turned into dangerous structures that can collapse at any moment - therefore, those buildings that cannot be repaired are demolished nafig. Themselves, in a fit of anger from the fact that it was impossible to sell an apartment to anyone in a small town, they destroyed and robbed their five-story buildings, and now they pretend to have left a flourishing house that SOMEONE destroyed. You tell the Russians fairy tales. And in Kazakhstan they saw enough of the "refugees" who not only took away the piano, but also toilet cisterns.
        Not only civilians did this, but also the Russian military. Daryal-U, which was supposed to be handed over to Kazakhstan in good condition, was pulled to pieces by Russian officers and warrant officers for the sake of precious materials. And still in the network there are cranks who blame the destruction of this object of the Kazakhs. You are from the same cohort.
        There was no need to pig, then your house would have stood like the rest of the house.
        A joke about immigrants of those years:
        - Well, sit down on the track ...
        “Hey man, there's a toilet for that!”

        And if you recall the school, I will remind you that the population of the city in which you once lived by chance has decreased significantly, and accordingly the number of necessary infrastructure has decreased.
        In Russia, a lot of abandoned cities and even abandoned buildings in normal settlements. Again Kazakh nationalists plundered?
        In Russia, in general, is there at least one empty building, but at the same time an uncropped and not crap building? Stop blaming the Kazakhs for what they did not commit. Moreover, the park cut down by you and your neighbors has already been restored.
  • washi
    washi 14 October 2013 14: 49
    +3
    Quote: Essenger
    Regarding 80% in Kazakhstan, this is a blatant lie, on the contrary 80% against the TS.

    And I believe you. After all, the Kazakhs are doing everything to create a national state. Survive not only the Slavs, but also other nationalities.
    I have the right to say so because lived in the Karaganda region.
    If you are aware, there are coal mines and a metallurgical enterprise in Temirtau.
    According to the reviews of the workers (no links, I talked personally): you can still work with one Kazakh, you say, he does it, but if there are two Kazakhs ... The foreman (Kazakh) brought the employee and apologized - I don’t understand my relatives if I go to my place I won’t take it, you work. I’ll give you half of his rate. Etc.
    Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, who know how to work in industrial enterprises - this is exclusive. At school we were taken on excursions to enterprises, helped state farms. Everywhere Russians worked.
    You kicked them out. There is no one to work with. Result - You are a raw materials appendage. Karaganda region., Sold to the Angles, then Koreans, then the Chinese.
    You can be exported (within the CU) only meat products. Because everything else you clicked.
    1. malikszh
      malikszh 14 October 2013 17: 22
      +6
      and you remember how it was with the union everywhere there were now Russian Kazakhstan type independent state like that decides the personnel policy in Russia, too, the same way! Kazakhstan, when the union was a raw state, all factories were built in Russia, Upraine and Belarus, there are some plants, but they were sold, but it’s not the people’s fault.
      1. Alex_T
        Alex_T 14 October 2013 21: 17
        +3
        Malikszh, you were born yesterday, from which city are you? Under the union, there were a bunch of factories in Almaty, many factories were evacuated to Central Asia during the war. And where are these factories now, after 20 years of independence? Kirov plant (fired torpedoes) - dead, machine-tool plant (metal-working machines) - dead, "Etalon" (measuring instruments) - dead, still to list? So to portray the offended and about the "raw material appendage" is not necessary here. There were productions, but they themselves were simple ... or.
        1. Qazaq
          Qazaq 14 October 2013 22: 48
          0
          Kindly !!! That's what I look at in Russia factories smoke, scum, rumble - products are not competitively produced. But the Russians, and the Russians, are jumping to the factories to jump in to get settled. Yeah. Do you know such a house with bars? Turma is called. That's why they worked, because we all lived in prison. And now no one wants to be in prison. Well, if the Russians want it, you are always welcome. You live on your land and do what you want. But we live on our land and will do what we want and we won’t ask you. Your empire is over. Soon and further at the seams will burst. You will teach the Tatars and Caucasians.
        2. Qazaq
          Qazaq 14 October 2013 22: 51
          0
          M.L.I and finally what are you in Kazakhstan - do you live ??? Go to Russia and worry about it there, also a survivor.
          1. Alex_T
            Alex_T 15 October 2013 14: 02
            0
            Qazaq, who are you to tell someone where to live? "title"? Is work in production a prison for you? Do you think work is easier in agriculture? Then any useful work for you will be a prison, where are you such a lazy title person will fit in? Take bribes only for a warm chair! By the way, about laziness, an example from life. I often visited the south of Kazakhstan for work, where Kazakhs and Uzbeks live together. It is very easy to distinguish Kazakh and Uzbek villages from afar, in Uzbek there is grass, trees in every yard, vegetable gardens; in Kazakh, there is dust, not a tree, everything is in the same condition as 20 years ago, not well-arranged in any way.
        3. Drummer
          Drummer 15 October 2013 20: 39
          +1
          The Kirov plant would be glad to produce torpedoes, but Russia is in no hurry to buy them. The reason is simple - the interests of "their own" turned out to be higher than those of the state: http://topwar.ru/31147-strashnaya-voennaya-tayna.html
        4. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 20 October 2013 16: 36
          0
          Plant them. Kirov is not dead. Works. Although not in full force, tk. he had specific tasks that are irrelevant today. Its products were sharpened for the Soviet Navy, and the Kazakh fleet is boats and small ships (by the way, produced by two other Kazakh plants - NII Gidropribor and Zenit). The products of the Kirov plant are simply not necessary for Kazakhstan itself. We have no submarines.
          The Etalon plant is also alive. http://www.etalonalmaty.kz/ru/home/ Just reoriented to new clients.
          The machine-tool plant no longer exists. It is now called the "Kaneo-Cat" machine plant - http://almaty.all.biz/kaneo-ket-too-e6143 and this enterprise is functioning normally (although not in the same volume as in Soviet times).
          In general, here is a list of metal-working enterprises of Almaty - http://www.metalweb.ru/%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B/%D0%9F%D1% 80% D0% B5% D
          0%B4%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%8F/

          As for the term "raw material appendage" - this is a fact. The main part of Kazakhstan's economy was engaged in the extraction of raw materials (carbon, metals, uranium, precious metals, etc.), plus grain and meat.
          The factories that produced the final products were usually for military purposes, and after 1991 their products were irrelevant for Kazakhstan for a number of reasons. And factories that produced final products in the form of consumer goods made up a tiny percentage of the Kazakh SSR's GDP. Roughly speaking, a resident of the Kazakh SSR could buy only a loaf of bread, a bottle of vodka, a pack of cigarettes, a set of bowls and a piece of AHBK cloth from a "domestic" store. If you ran, you could find a Medeo radio and an Almaty carpet. Alles.
          The main task of enterprises of the Kazakh SSR is the supply of raw materials to factories located on the territory of other Union republics.
      2. ksan
        ksan 14 October 2013 22: 50
        +1
        Kazakhstan under the union was a raw state; all plants were built in Russia, Upraine and Belarus
        You seem to be too young and you know little about your country during the Soviet era. Kazakhstan was quite an industrially developed republic, and if now this is not so, then Russia is least to blame for this. And it's not a fact that without the CU Kazakhstan will heal better, I'm not inclined to believe that the leaders and economists of Kazakhstan did not "consider" the pros and cons of joining the CU, but blindly signed the papers "slipped" to them by Russia hi
    2. Qazaq
      Qazaq 14 October 2013 22: 39
      0
      Do you know that we are all crying here? But these are tears of joy that you have left. I strongly advise you to forget Kazakhstan - work for Russia, otherwise it turns out that you are judged by us. They will say that the "Kazakhs" have come in large numbers here - they are used to not working there and here they only whine about how they worked a lot in Kazakhstan.
  • Drummer
    Drummer 15 October 2013 20: 12
    +3
    Depends on the wording in the questionnaire. Most are in favor of economic integration with Russia "in principle", but if we discuss a specific CU and its results (rising prices, falling exports, political dependence) there will be a lot of dissatisfied.
  • Drummer
    Drummer 15 October 2013 20: 12
    +1
    Depends on the wording in the questionnaire. Most are in favor of economic integration with Russia "in principle", but if we discuss a specific CU and its results (rising prices, falling exports, political dependence) there will be a lot of dissatisfied.
  • Basileus
    Basileus 14 October 2013 09: 15
    +6
    In principle, only Ukraine is lacking in the TS. The rest of the union republics there are not needed for nothing, because the economic backbone of the Union will already be assembled.
    1. washi
      washi 14 October 2013 20: 08
      +2
      Quote: Basileus
      In principle, only Ukraine is lacking in the TS. The rest of the union republics there are not needed for nothing, because the economic backbone of the Union will already be assembled.

      Well, at the moment we do not need the southwestern outskirts. Nationalism and selfishness are highly developed there.
      Let them try. And for "our" European integrators will be a good example. Yes, sorry. But you won't be forced to love
    2. alone
      alone 14 October 2013 20: 29
      +1
      laughingThank you, of course, for a frank conversation. I love people who say directly what they think. As for the rest, we’re not going to go there anyway, so that they will let us go there for free)) wassat
      1. vanaheym
        vanaheym 15 October 2013 20: 21
        0
        I agree, and the Donetsk rally for the TS just showed how much Ukrainians are striving for unification.
  • Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 14 October 2013 09: 19
    +8
    I think this video will be just the way.
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 14 October 2013 11: 41
      0
      Great video! good Thank you. hi
      If common sense were also attached to him. For all sorts of European integrators ... fool
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 14 October 2013 09: 20
    +1
    morpogr SU
    ... But taking on the principle of everyone in a row also does not need to look at the economic and strategic component, especially the presence of a normal border so that there is no flow of migrants and control over goods from other countries.

    Quite right, in addition to economic relative identity, there should be a similar mentality, otherwise the events that occurred yesterday in Moscow in connection with the murder of a 25-year-old guy will become commonplace.
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 14 October 2013 09: 23
    16
    The Customs Union is a very successful solution that allows us to fight the economic expansion of the West with a single fist! In the conditions of the global crisis, only together we can withstand and overcome all its consequences! The West perfectly understands the significance of our union and is trying to put a spoke in our wheels, and "fifth "The columns in the post-Soviet space are diligently working out their" thirty pieces of silver. "History can only be slowed down, but never turned back! Somehow imperceptibly, goods from TS countries appeared on our shelves and it is already noticeable that there are fewer food products from the West and The USA! In our city, people prefer Russian products or the countries of the Customs Union! And only ill-wishers of our revival are foaming at the mouth of the Customs Union! Glory to Belarus, Russia and Kazakhstan! Comrades are going the right way!
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 14 October 2013 09: 51
      -6
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      The Customs Union is a very successful solution, which allows a single fist to fight the economic expansion of the West!

      So I understand you and the Russians in general, you have some problems with the West and you want to deal with them, and now the question is, figs, is that for us?
      1. andrey777
        andrey777 14 October 2013 10: 57
        +9
        I was in Kazakhstan this year, I really liked it, people are friendly and there is no Russophobia. The Kazakhs themselves say that it was good under the USSR, it is time to unite again.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 14 October 2013 11: 16
          -3
          Quote: andrey777
          Was this year in Kazakhstan

          Always welcome guests.

          Quote: andrey777
          The Kazakhs themselves, saying that it was good under the USSR, it is time to unite again.

          Well, we have different Kazakhs, there are those who do not know their native language. Mostly such an alliance with you.
          1. Walker1975
            Walker1975 14 October 2013 16: 35
            +6
            Quote: Essenger
            Well, we have different Kazakhs, there are those who do not know their native language. Mostly such an alliance with you.


            As in Ukraine. For the Union with Russia, only those who are not able to learn the language of their state. And that’s not all. There are opponents of the vehicle, even among fully Russian-speaking.
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 14 October 2013 17: 06
              +6
              Quote: Walker1975
              For the Union with Russia, only those who are not able to learn the language of their state

              Either you are deliberately lying, or you do not have the information. I live in a village where everyone speaks Ukrainian and at the same time speaks for the TS. And Europe with its values ​​"is viewed as the Luciferian kingdom.
              1. Walker1975
                Walker1975 14 October 2013 17: 48
                +2
                And I have not a single friend who would speak for the vehicle. And I communicate with young people and Kiev and eastern and western.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 17: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: Walker1975
                  And I have not a single friend who would speak for the vehicle

                  And where did they get 4 million signatures for the referendum?
                  1. Walker1975
                    Walker1975 14 October 2013 18: 04
                    0
                    There is a former head of the Presidential Administration of Ukraine Medvedchuk in Ukraine. He heads the project "Ukrainian Choice" (Once he was the head of the SDPU (u) (but it has long sunk into oblivion. I got sick of stupid advertisements like "You rule the country, not politicians." Moreover, he is Putin's godfather (therefore, when he comes to Ukraine, he goes first of all to him, and not to the President).
                    So, members of the Ukrainian Choice movement adopted an appeal to Yanukovych with a request to appoint an all-Ukrainian referendum based on 4 million 662 thousand signatures collected back in 2006 by the Social Democratic Party (united).
                    Then at the referendum it was supposed to find out which of the vectors of foreign policy was supported by the Ukrainians - joining NATO or joining the Common Economic Space (CES) of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan.

                    There are 4 million signatures in total, but they were collected 7 years ago on another issue.
                2. Setrac
                  Setrac 15 October 2013 00: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: Walker1975
                  And I communicate with young people and Kiev and eastern and western.

                  Here we need to add "creative" and "liberal" youth.
            2. ksan
              ksan 14 October 2013 23: 00
              0
              Walker1975 UA Today, 16:35 ↑

              Quote: Essenger
              Well, we have different Kazakhs, there are those who do not know their native language. Mostly such an alliance with you.


              As in Ukraine. For the Union with Russia, only those who are not able to learn the language of their state. And that’s not all. There are opponents of the vehicle, even among fully Russian-speaking.
              It's not about knowing or not knowing the language, but about the general level of education and understanding of processes. The West and Ukralita actively brainwashed the population on the topic: "Russia is evil, the West is good," and unfortunately Russia did not succeed in this matter (brainwashing), hence the result. But I think many Ukrainians will improve their knowledge of European languages ​​when they go to wash toilets in Geyropa.
              1. Walker1975
                Walker1975 15 October 2013 11: 02
                +2
                Oh no need to hang noodles on the ears that Russia did not break into brainwashing. Russia ranks first in the world in terms of propaganda costs. True, of course, part of the cost is stolen, as always in Russia. But nonetheless. Do you know what budget of Rashi Tudey and many other channels on the territory of the Russian Federation and its neighbors?
              2. lordinicus
                lordinicus 15 October 2013 11: 20
                +2
                Quote: ksan
                It's not about knowing or not knowing the language, but about the general level of education and understanding of processes. The West and Ukralita actively brainwashed the population on the topic: "Russia is evil, the West is good," and unfortunately Russia did not succeed in this matter (brainwashing), hence the result. But I think many Ukrainians will improve their knowledge of European languages ​​when they go to wash toilets in Geyropa.

                Brainwashing !!! You are really naive in Ukraine, they can deceive you in the media, but it’s basically impossible to rinse the brain.
                I will explain if no one is watching brainwashing on television, no one is watching these channels and their ratings are falling to insanity. The brainwashing newspaper doesn’t buy it and it REALLY goes bankrupt and closes. In Ukraine, dofiga channels and newspapers that are available to the people to choose what they like. All these channels and newspapers belong to billionaires, both pro-Russian and pro-European. It begins a blizzard that the euro paradise on earth no one listens to it, they say that Russia loves us until it is written down, no one listens to it because both of these statements are false! In Ukraine, billionaires through the media are deceiving but not brainwashing, because no one will listen to the same nonsense!
                Nobody writes here that "Russia is evil, the West is good" because this is an utter lie and nobody listens to it, in principle, even the grandmas on the benches! There is a theme that Russia is not as cool as Europe but no more!
      2. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 14 October 2013 16: 35
        +1
        And your capital is not by chance Washington, was it painfully pulled by a pro-Amerian shit?
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 17: 53
        +1
        Quote: Essenger
        , and now the question is, figs is for us?

        If Russia loses, nothing will remain of you. They will erase it to dust!
      4. Lankov Victor
        Lankov Victor 14 October 2013 22: 20
        +1
        Do not want to fight - lie down. Yes, even arrogant Saxons recumbent kidneys beat off. Didn't they teach history at school? And now you are not interested?
      5. ksan
        ksan 14 October 2013 22: 30
        +1
        Essenger KZ Today, 09:51 ↑

        Quote: kartalovkolya
        The Customs Union is a very successful solution, which allows a single fist to fight the economic expansion of the West!

        So I understand you and the Russians in general, you have some problems with the West and you want to deal with them, and now the question is, figs, is that for us?
        Answer: If not with Russia, then with the West or China, then these very "problems with the West" will be in Kazakhstan. In your opinion, Kazakhstan can develop CAM is not dependent on anyone? Agree in the Union, this is easier to do than alone.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 15 October 2013 19: 26
          +3
          ksan, lankov viktor, alexander romanov and others who are "concerned" about the fate of the Kazakh people, your question is, "what business will they erase or not the Kazakhs?" I don't believe in your sincerity)))))))
  • scientist
    scientist 14 October 2013 09: 33
    +2
    The Customs Union, as an equal association based on common economic rules, is undoubtedly beneficial to everyone, regardless of national and political convictions. Naturally, other states will strive for it "their own shirt is closer to the body" and everyone will win from this.
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 14 October 2013 16: 37
      +2
      One small detail - the rules are set in Moscow (in proportion to the size of the economies). And, as they say, nothing personal - only business.
      1. T80UM1
        T80UM1 18 October 2013 14: 57
        +1
        A little bit wrong, agree and come to a consensus, but the main problem, our side forgets to consult with the population.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 14 October 2013 09: 37
    +7
    Quote: Essenger
    Regarding 80% in Kazakhstan, this is a blatant lie, on the contrary 80% against the TS.

    This "gentleman" apparently believes that HE is the 80% of Kazakhstanis who are against the Customs Union!
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 14 October 2013 11: 57
      +1
      ia-ai00 What are you, he believes that he is the president and what he says, it will be so. He’s a balobol, do not pay attention to him. wink
    2. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 14 October 2013 16: 43
      0
      Yes, this Essenger is a decoy duck along the way, but it craps purposefully. I have many friends from Kazakhstan, I myself have served in those parts and know firsthand what Kazakhs think about the TS and I don’t need to try to give other people’s songs as my own. shit!
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 14 October 2013 18: 52
        +5
        I think so too. Because I live among the Kazakhs, and I have never heard from anyone that someone would be against the TS. When the USSR collapsed, Kazakh employees and acquaintances all regretted it very much and regretted that Russians, Ukrainians, Germans began to leave Kazakhstan. And when the idea of ​​creating a TS came up, we were sincerely glad, because over the decades of life in a single state, a community of interests appeared, friendly and family ties arose throughout the USSR. So that Essenger and people like him - or "zaslantsy" from the CRU - "to strengthen the friendship of peoples", or, as our director of the company said, the Kazakh himself, was a very good specialist and a respected person, he did a lot of good to people, so about such Essenger he said - a terry nationalist, but fortunately there are only a few!
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 20 October 2013 16: 53
        -1
        Essenger is an ordinary Kazakh. It's just that his opinion does not coincide with the opinion of the majority of Kazakhs in terms of the issue of integration processes. Well, he doesn’t want to unite with Russia or Belarus, because he suspects that this business could end badly for the Kazakh culture, which in Soviet times was really in the "corral". His fears are not groundless. Kazakhs already have a sad experience when they were almost turned into Russians. Well, the Kazakhs do not want to be Russian, but to remain Kazakhs. What is not clear here? If there is a threat of a new Russification of the Kazakhs, then I will also be against such a "union". In the meantime, I hope that integration will only affect the economic sphere and the topic of the defense capability of our Eurasian space (in a positive way, essno). It's in the common interest.
        I fundamentally disagree with the position of Essenger or other forum participants who are opponents of integration, but I consider it unacceptable to offend opponents because of this or consider them "spies". Moreover, there are much more opponents of the union in Russia than in Kazakhstan. And they are more radical in terms than Kazakhs.
        The Kazakhs have no enmity towards Russians. The attitude is normal. Only, of course, if this Russian does not start stoking the topic: "We fed you and gave you nishtyaks, now you should be grateful to us." Any Kazakh will boil here.
  • saag
    saag 14 October 2013 10: 00
    +2
    Yes, an imported machine cannot be bought cheaper as before, that's all the "cry" about the Customs Union
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 15 October 2013 19: 27
      +3
      Quote: saag
      Yes, an imported machine cannot be bought cheaper as before, that's all the "cry" about the Customs Union

      The fact is that at least a twenty-year-old killed German car is better than the new Russian basin.
  • Bumbik
    Bumbik 14 October 2013 10: 03
    14
    It is necessary to unite, whether someone wants to or not. See what happens in the world. Western scavengers wreak havoc on the Middle East and capture them. If we, too, are scattered like them, then such a fate awaits us.
    True, so far this union reminds me of a marriage of convenience.
    1. ksan
      ksan 14 October 2013 23: 06
      +1
      True, so far this union reminds me of a marriage of convenience.
      Marriages of convenience practically never break up, unlike those that are "out of love" hi
  • avt
    avt 14 October 2013 10: 23
    +8
    By the way, Yanukovych has already begun to reap the benefits of the association for himself. He has not signed anything yet, and they demand that Yulia Grikyan be released from him. laughing No, they are humanists, they could offer to hang themselves immediately after signing.
    1. MG42
      MG42 14 October 2013 13: 14
      +6
      Quote: avt
      By the way, Yanukovych has already begun to reap the benefits of the association for himself. He has not signed anything yet, and they demand that Yulia Grikyan be released from him.

      Yes, let there be a balance for that and the pike so that the crucian carp doesn’t doze off .. in Russia, they should put a Tymoshenko monument or a bas-relief on the Gazprom building for such a profitable contract for Russia laughing
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 14 October 2013 14: 20
        +4
        Quote: MG42
        Yes, let them go

        Well yes! They are going to adopt a law so that prisoners can be treated abroad! they just forgot that thieves in law are also not poor people. We, following Yulia, will send them all for treatment in the EU! laughing No return right! fellow
        1. MG42
          MG42 14 October 2013 14: 39
          +4
          Quote: Egoza
          They are going to adopt a law so that prisoners can be treated abroad! they just forgot that thieves in law are also not poor people. We, following Yulia, will send them all for treatment in the EU! No return right!

          By the way, the initiator of the Theological who hates Tymoshenko fiercely, their personal graters have long since begun with re-privatization in the Orange Revolution, then Inna acted as a lawyer for Pinchuk’s son-in-law Kuchma ... appreciate the beauty of the game .. bully
          So ukromenty selling for two or three times is not only the courts, here is the recent scandalous escape of the bribe taker Rector Pyotr Melnik, an ex-deputy from the PR, confirms this, freed from the bracelet and fled from house arrest right to the USA lol , Ukraine does not have an agreement with the states for the extradition of prisoners ..
      2. ksan
        ksan 14 October 2013 23: 15
        +1
        MG42 UA Today, 13:14 ↑

        Quote: avt
        By the way, Yanukovych has already begun to reap the benefits of the association for himself. He has not signed anything yet, and they demand that Yulia Grikyan be released from him.

        Yes, let there be a balance for that and the pike do not doze off .. in Russia they should put a Tymoshenko monument or a bas-relief on the Gazprom building for such a lucrative contract for Russia laughing
        Sergei You don't know, maybe they are much cooler than the monument "thanked" fellow And what about Yanukovych, so the EU will "merge" him after the signing of the Association Agreement, Yulia is a more persistent "European integrator", and she will remember Vita "old grievances" laughing
        1. MG42
          MG42 15 October 2013 00: 45
          +3
          Quote: ksan
          Sergei You don't know, maybe they are much cooler than the monument "thanked"

          Tymoshenko had graters from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the famous story Julia was on the hook at the GDP. This is not a photoshop, just such an angle of the press service photo >>
  • ed65b
    ed65b 14 October 2013 10: 37
    +4
    happy for Belarus. Everything works and everyone works. And in terms of migration, too, everything is built. There is nothing to learn from Lukashenko's GDP.
    1. Cartoon
      Cartoon 14 October 2013 15: 51
      +5
      Only Belarus wink From the word white. And in general I do not understand how this happened. One nation lived for itself - Ukrainian, Belarusian, Russian - the same names were, but the habits of the jokes were different. All were brothers during the war. But during perestroika, someone told us that now we are not brothers, but neighbors, and we are led. We cut the globe into three pieces and rejoice. So many years have passed that a whole generation of "independents" has grown up. Now it will be very difficult to unite, the globx has done nothing - the edges no longer fit each other. The only thing that still keeps us together is the Russian language. In Belarus, this is easier, here 99,9% speak and think in it. With Ukraine it is more complicated, but even there I think 50/50. We need to put the Russian language in first place in the world. And then English - pah for this English. And the Chinese is not asleep - soon half of the world will hang out on it. And the Russian fades away. Like French. And what a fire was once from these two languages.
      1. avt
        avt 14 October 2013 17: 19
        +1
        Quote: Cartoon
        Only Belarus wink From the word white

        And the vowels from the locality are changing, here the Volgars are okay, but closer to the west they are clicking on a, Moscow also sounds through a, and it is written in Belarus.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 14 October 2013 10: 37
    +3
    The issue of simultaneous presence in the CU and the WTO has not been raised. I suspect that we will eventually exit the WTO as soon as the CU expands sufficiently. I am for the vehicle, but the badge "made in Belarus", unfortunately, does not mean quality, sometimes such garbage is driven ... So you still have to look for quality. The products are really not bad.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 October 2013 06: 37
      0
      Quote: Svarog
      ... I am for the vehicle, but the badge "made in Belarus", unfortunately, does not mean quality, sometimes such garbage is driven ...

      For example?
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 20 October 2013 17: 01
      0
      I don’t know, I don’t know, Svarog. Everything that I bought in Kazakhstani stores with the label "Made in Belarus" turned out to be very high quality. I buy with pleasure from food. Especially milk.
      Especially when compared with those Russian products that are imported to us. Sorry, but either in Russia they are already used to eating a set of chemicals and substitutes instead of products, or they just bring such disgusting products to us. Recently, in general, he stopped paying attention to Russian and Ukrainian products. I take ours and Belarus, although they are more expensive than Russian. Thank God, I can afford to ignore cheap low-quality products.
  • Pacifist
    Pacifist 14 October 2013 10: 40
    +5
    For the future author, for an objective and complete statistical picture, the survey data must be provided in the context of all answer options, otherwise there is a dilemma on how to interpret this result. For example, 38% of Azerbaijan is:
    1. 62% negative?
    2. 62% in any way?
    3. How much is negative and how much in any way?

    if it suddenly turns out that 62% didn’t react in any way, then this is not a wary, but a pofigistic mood.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 14 October 2013 13: 34
      +2
      As Bismarck (far from being a stupid person) said - "Clever is not the one who drew conclusions from his mistakes, but the one who drew conclusions from the mistakes of others." For some reason, the praise of the vehicle comes only from the Russian Federation, while others are not very eager to join there. Kazakhstanis say that their prices have increased. The Ukrainians, despite the fact that their economy is going through hard days, for some reason do not run to queue up to join the CU. The same situation is with Central Asians. Even the Armenians, your "outpost", were literally forced to enter there with a kick, and after that, see what protests went on there. We see all this and do not want prices to rise in our country. They are already not cheap, it was not enough that they themselves contributed to their growth.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 15 October 2013 00: 50
        0
        Quote: xetai9977
        For some reason, the TS is praised only from the Russian Federation, while others are not very eager to enter there.

        The United States is clearly not eager to join the CU, but there are countries that want to join the CU, for example, Serbia or Vietnam. At the same time, the United States is not eager for anyone else to join the Customs Union, to strengthen and strengthen Russia.
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 14 October 2013 10: 55
    +6
    Sorry for Ukraine. In association with the EU, it will turn into just another market ...
    1. roma2
      roma2 14 October 2013 11: 02
      -7
      But in the CU it will turn into a sales market for the BROTHER people, which also do not need competitors, where Ukrainian manufacturers will suffer for left-wing political views, comrade. Onishchenko will unfold.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 11: 16
        +8
        Quote: roma2
        But in the TS it will turn into a sales market for the BROTHER people, which also do not need competitors

        It's good to fill in, we have your Belarusian goods in the Far East, in almost every store there is. I have a plate from Belarus "hefest". About everyday things, shirts, bed linen, I just keep quiet. The quality is excellent.
        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 14 October 2013 12: 15
          +5
          I have a slab from Belarus "hefest"

          I confirm excellent quality!good I also have a Hephaestus stove - electric ignition, double grill, timer, temperature sensors, thermal blocking, etc. Not worse than Italy. Belarusian linen clothes - chic! Rogachev's milk is also super. Our local (kho.khlyatskoe) - plasticine mixed with grease and plaster. With rare exceptions ... "Electric" is the most reliable Belarusian. Did repairs in the apartment, foolishlyfoolput Turkish sockets and switches. After a year or two, they began to burn, could not withstand our voltage drops. Spat, scored Belarusian, set - for 5-6 years no problems!
          True, ho.hlyatsk customs secretly squeezes Belarusian goods, we trade trash with Turkey, you see ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 15 October 2013 06: 35
            +1
            Quote: Jogan-64
            Rogachev milk is also super

            Milk does not reach us request
            1. Jogan-xnumx
              Jogan-xnumx 15 October 2013 12: 36
              0
              Milk does not reach us

              Well, far away.what But believe me, quality is like in the Union. It is a pity that we have nothing of the Belarusian meat. Do not carry. Competition, damn it ... With our plastic. negative
              1. T80UM1
                T80UM1 18 October 2013 15: 00
                0
                We have a stew! Stunned delicious))) Almaty
      2. Walker1975
        Walker1975 14 October 2013 16: 41
        0
        Then sharply the pipe and gas storages turn out to be Russian. Then the border in the Sea of ​​Azov will pass along the very coast of Ukraine ... well, etc. Nothing personal just business.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 15 October 2013 06: 36
        +1
        Quote: roma2
        But in the TS, it will turn into a sales market for the BROTHER people,

        Here he sits and writes all kinds of crap.
    2. MG42
      MG42 14 October 2013 13: 07
      +3
      Quote: Injun Joe
      Sorry for Ukraine. In association with the EU, it will turn into just another market ...

      In order to buy a lot you need a lot of money or a lot of loans, there is neither one nor the other in Ukraine now, compare the salary in Germany to the average salary in Ukraine in any comparison ..
      Products from Europe are present on the Ukrainian market and now it’s enough to go to any supermarket to see this ..
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 14 October 2013 11: 12
    +3
    Quote: Essenger
    So I understand you and the Russians in general, you have some problems with the West and you want to deal with them, and now the question is, figs, is that for us?

    The fact of the matter is that no one wants to fight with anyone, they are simply forced. I will not now about the bases around Russia, the political demarches (including satellites) and the intrigues of the CIA. The collapse of the USSR, if on principle, is in the same row. Kazakhstan, too, will not stand aside, if only because of the same attempts to put pressure on Russia. And there are some resources. The only thing now is that the USA has less money, but the policy will not change and Kazakhstan will slowly (at least at the beginning) push it away from Russia for itself. If this is your desire, then of course.
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 14 October 2013 11: 31
    +8
    Quote: Essenger
    So I understand you and the Russians in general, you have some problems with the West and you want to deal with them, and now the question is, figs, is that for us?


    Seeing this writing, he was extremely surprised, and then laughed. The problem is not in the Russians, Russia or other peoples inhabiting its territory. The whole point and salt is in the geopolitical confrontation between the West and Russia. How many times has Russia offered a joint and closer life? It got to the point that even under the USSR there was a proposal for joint NATO membership, moreover, as equal partners. Then, Russia never used the weaknesses of its eternal "friends" and did not intervene in their internal conflicts, when, like those during internal troubles and revolutions (which, as a rule, with their own funding and active support), each time they bit into Russia and by all means and The national separatists and the separation of the eternal Russian provinces from their Metropolis did not really support it. Everything is so obvious that a certain reproach to the Russians sounds absolutely idiotic - they say, where did you get such dislike and wariness? All from the same place - from time immemorial and vast experience based on the noblemen of "honest and friendly" relationships. And how do our overseas "avid friends", mentors, teachers and patrons play us off against each other? Here you can add a lot more from personal observations. Propaganda in general is such a thing, but if it is also based on nationalism ... For example, in the same Latvian schools, Russians are presented almost as bloodthirsty savages, when, as in Russian schools, I am sure, people and events are covered delicately and more or less closely to the truth. The same sports legends, where in the Latvian language commentators throw mud at the Russian team, moreover, no matter who plays against it. Russian commentators are always with warmth and respect about their former brothers in the Union - they say, ours and them also need to be supported. However, examples are countless and it is stupid to rant about it.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 14 October 2013 11: 51
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: Janis SU
      All essence and salt in the geopolitical confrontation of the West of Russia. How many times has Russia offered a joint and closer life?

      Don't you understand the question? If you Russians and Americans cut each other, my violet. The background of your "love" is not interesting to me. Once again, the question is: Why should the Kazakhs participate in this on the side of the Russians? Here explain it, just do not start about Libya, Iraq, etc.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 14 October 2013 12: 25
        +1
        Quote: Essenger
        Once again the question: Why should the Kazakhs participate in this on the side of the Russians? Here explain it, just do not start about Libya, Iraq, etc.

        A counter question - why should the Russians take part in "this" on the side of the Kazakhs? For reference, the TS is the fruit of a sick imagination, your local bai - Nazarbayev.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 14 October 2013 12: 31
          -3
          Quote: Warrawar
          A counter question - why should the Russians take part in "this" on the side of the Kazakhs?

          That’s just not necessary, let's live apart? Do you agree? Without any imaginary alliances there.
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 14 October 2013 12: 35
            -1
            Quote: Essenger
            That’s just not necessary, let's live apart? Do you agree? Without any imaginary alliances there.

            I agree with two hands. Russians need to isolate themselves from all countries in the name of which there is a component "camp".
            1. Essenger
              Essenger 14 October 2013 12: 38
              0
              Quote: Warrawar
              I agree with two hands. Russians need to isolate themselves from all countries in the name of which there is a component "camp".

              Me too, it's time to import a visa regime. drinks
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 15 October 2013 06: 32
                +1
                Quote: Essenger
                Me too, it's time to import a visa regime

                Dream, dream. TTS is already there, and soon the Eurasian will be. Although you write, at least do not write. Everything!
            2. Essenger
              Essenger 14 October 2013 12: 40
              +4
              Quote: Essenger
              Russians need to isolate themselves from all countries in the name of which there is a component "camp".

              By the way, one remark, we have a polemic. They want to remove the prefix camp. The Kazakh Republic as an option.
          2. kartalovkolya
            kartalovkolya 14 October 2013 22: 44
            0
            Quote: Essenger
            Quote: Warrawar
            A counter question - why should the Russians take part in "this" on the side of the Kazakhs?

            That’s just not necessary, let's live apart? Do you agree? Without any imaginary alliances there.
            Just do not forget to return the five Russian regions donated when creating the Kaz.SSR!
            1. Essenger
              Essenger 15 October 2013 19: 29
              +1
              Quote: kartalovkolya
              Quote: Essenger
              Quote: Warrawar
              A counter question - why should the Russians take part in "this" on the side of the Kazakhs?

              That’s just not necessary, let's live apart? Do you agree? Without any imaginary alliances there.
              Just do not forget to return the five Russian regions donated when creating the Kaz.SSR!

              What?
      2. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx 14 October 2013 12: 34
        +7
        If you Russians and Americans cut each other violet to me.

        I am reading your polemic and am surprised. Do you yourself understand at least something besides your ambitions? After the Russians, it's just your turn. You, dear, will not argue with the Americans on an equal footing as with the Russians. You, like us, are people of the third grade for them (second - Europe). Therefore, in the best case, you will wander again, as 200 years ago, and for glass beads, following the example of the Indians, you will sell them sheep and cows for meat. At worst, the fate of "immigrants" from Africa on the reed plantations of the southern United States of the 19th century ... hi This is an explanation for you if you want to hear it.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 14 October 2013 12: 36
          +2
          Quote: Jogan-64
          This is an explanation for you if you want to hear it.

          Okay, they will cut us too, do you feel sorry for us sincerely?
          1. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx 14 October 2013 12: 57
            +4
            Okay, they will cut us too, do you feel sorry for us sincerely?

            Personally, yes! Kazakhs are a good and kind people. I know personally. IMHO.
            And you yourself?
            1. Essenger
              Essenger 14 October 2013 13: 00
              +1
              Quote: Jogan-64
              And you yourself?

              Yourself? Well, of course.
              1. Jogan-xnumx
                Jogan-xnumx 14 October 2013 13: 23
                +2
                Yourself? Well, of course.

                Then take care of yourself. What about us? Together, we will be more reliable in saving ourselves. drinks
                1. kartalovkolya
                  kartalovkolya 14 October 2013 22: 38
                  -1
                  Do you guys have too much time or are bored: there is nothing to do except a polemic with a provocateur!
                  1. Essenger
                    Essenger 15 October 2013 19: 31
                    +2
                    Quote: kartalovkolya
                    Do you guys have too much time or are bored: there is nothing to do except a polemic with a provocateur!

                    You see, too, if you add comments. Maybe unemployed?
                2. Essenger
                  Essenger 15 October 2013 19: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: Jogan-64
                  Together, we will be more reliable in saving ourselves.

                  Let's go apart? drinks
      3. ksan
        ksan 14 October 2013 23: 47
        +2
        Once again the question: Why should the Kazakhs participate in this on the side of the Russians? Here explain it, just do not start about Libya, Iraq, etc.
        Once again, the answer: You are not speaking on the side of the Russians,most likely you will find yourself "in the beaver pose" faster than the Russians And it is not the Americans who will "fuck" you, so China.
      4. Setrac
        Setrac 15 October 2013 00: 56
        +1
        Quote: Essenger
        If you Russians and Americans cut each other violet to me.

        Russians just have amers' guts thinly cut, they cut others whom the Russians do not protect, the Kazakhs will leave and they will begin to cut them.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 15 October 2013 19: 35
          +2
          Quote: Setrac
          Russians just have an amer gut thinly cut,

          Yes violet, I gave an example purely hypothetically
  • roma2
    roma2 14 October 2013 11: 33
    0
    September 2013. Chadyr-Lunga (Moldova). The meeting. Agenda: entry into the Customs Union.

    September 2013. Comrat (Moldova). The meeting. Agenda: entry into the Customs Union.


    You would still list the farm.
    1. alone
      alone 14 October 2013 20: 33
      0
      Quote: roma2
      You would still list the farm.


      soon there will be farm streets to list))
  • Alex_T
    Alex_T 14 October 2013 11: 40
    +6
    I myself am for the vehicle, because I believe that the future of fraternal peoples lies in enonomic, political and military unification. Local opponents of the TS usually have the following arguments:
    1. The complex of the "younger brother", again like in the USSR, the "elder brother" will indicate how to live, local "national patriots" suffer from this disease;
    2. The aforementioned "cans have become more", a consequence of restrictions on the import of external goods, in particular cars. Before the TS, the majority bought used foreign cars, which is often more profitable than a new "basin". The same will apply to cheaper goods from China (another talk about quality), for example, in Almaty, 90% of consumer goods are from China, since the border is nearby. With restrictions on import from a non-vehicle, you will have to use the products of the vehicle or develop your rotten production. Prices will be higher (who would agree with us, as the Chinese for $ 100-150 a month to work 12 hours a day);
    3. Local AI92 gasoline costs $ 0.6-0.8, in Russia $ 0,89-0,96. When aligning intra-union prices, Kazakhstani consumers will be the losers.
    1. SAG
      SAG 14 October 2013 12: 21
      +4
      I think we are now at a crossroads in the situation of the 20s. There were also many disadvantages and doubts for many, but after 20 years, the ruble became the hardest currency in the world, and the most affordable goods + almost at cost, this is despite the devastating war! !!
    2. Drummer
      Drummer 15 October 2013 21: 35
      0
      Alex, no generalizations needed. Russia's policy towards the countries of the former USSR does not inspire optimism (quarreled with everyone except the National Academy of Sciences), the economy is in crisis at a very high energy price, capital is running out of the country, its internal situation is unstable, small-town nationalism and xenophobia are booming, the international image is sharply negative . And this is the locomotive of the customs union! Where will he pull?
  • sxn278619
    sxn278619 14 October 2013 11: 52
    +2
    The fact that Kazakhstan and Belarus won from the CU is obvious, but what did Russia win?
    Where are the numbers - additional revenue to the budget, GDP growth. What compensates for losses from lower prices for raw materials. Von Dvorkovich said that only from the export of dyes to Belarus, the Russian budget had already lost $ 1,5 billion.
    I must say bluntly that our government buys friends at the expense of the Russian budget.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 14 October 2013 11: 54
      +2
      Quote: sxn278619
      The fact that Kazakhstan and Belarus have benefited from the CU is obvious

      It turns out we are in the black here)
    2. Lankov Victor
      Lankov Victor 14 October 2013 22: 38
      +2
      Do you consider Arkady Dvorkovich an expert at least in some way ?! Hopefully just kidding.
    3. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 15 October 2013 11: 37
      0
      Well, YOU also found authority in the person of Dvorkovich! Yes, you never know what all these dvorkovich lied, and we are nothing to ourselves, alive and well. You are not a Gaidarist and I think not a "liberal", but a normal Russian citizen and should know that Russia I never bought friends, but often paid for friendship with the blood of my soldiers. And even more so to talk about our real friends is not good, just disrespectful! Even if you lost something somewhere; it is much better than keeping the Baltic werewolves! And better than our "liberals" are thrown into amerovskie promissory notes than support their adventures!
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 14 October 2013 11: 52
    +4
    Quote: Native American Joe
    Sorry for Ukraine. In association with the EU, it will turn into just another market ...

    This is half the trouble, but the indisputable fact that the Ukrainians will turn into a cheap labor force in the numerous beds of Europe and will compete in this with the Poles, Balts, Romanians, Bulgarians and others - that's for sure. The prospect of being in a guest worker's "paradise" is "impressive" and depressing, since the consequences of EU directives are ruthless - the closure of production in Eastern Europe and turning them into markets for cheap products.
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 14 October 2013 12: 03
    0
    Quote: Essenger
    Quote: Janis SU
    All essence and salt in the geopolitical confrontation of the West of Russia. How many times has Russia offered a joint and closer life?

    Don't you understand the question? If you Russians and Americans cut each other, my violet. The background of your "love" is not interesting to me. Once again, the question is: Why should the Kazakhs participate in this on the side of the Russians? Here explain it, just do not start about Libya, Iraq, etc.


    What kind of "Russians" are we? You, dear, overeat henbane? You, North Koreans, of course know better, but given your total poverty, you shouldn't bother with nuclear weapons. If you have a shandarah, we will even feel calmer, but if you accidentally find yourself in a normally developing civilized country and do some trouble there? As for Kazakhstan, I do not see any difference at all between this province and its Russian metropolis. Why are they generally divided and who will be punished for this, and extremely harshly? And what do you, dear, care about these ghostly distant Kazakhs?
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 14 October 2013 12: 11
      +3
      Quote: Janis SU
      You, the North Koreans, of course know best, but with your total poverty, nuclear weapons should not be bothered.

      What is North Korea?

      Quote: Janis SU
      the same applies to Kazakhstan - I do not see any difference between this province and its Russian metropolis.

      You do not distinguish flags? or are you drinking?
    2. Zymran
      Zymran 14 October 2013 12: 14
      +6
      Quote: Janis SU
      You, the North Koreans, of course know best, but with your total poverty, nuclear weapons should not be bothered.


      In the memorial.
    3. bomg.77
      bomg.77 14 October 2013 17: 51
      +3
      Quote: Janis SU
      You North Koreans of course

      laughing laughingKazakhs, now to you, will explain the doctrine of the JUCHE.))
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 14 October 2013 12: 03
    0
    Quote: Essenger
    Quote: Janis SU
    All essence and salt in the geopolitical confrontation of the West of Russia. How many times has Russia offered a joint and closer life?

    Don't you understand the question? If you Russians and Americans cut each other, my violet. The background of your "love" is not interesting to me. Once again, the question is: Why should the Kazakhs participate in this on the side of the Russians? Here explain it, just do not start about Libya, Iraq, etc.


    What kind of "Russians" are we? You, dear, overeat henbane? You, North Koreans, of course know better, but given your total poverty, you shouldn't bother with nuclear weapons. If you have a shandarah, we will even feel calmer, but if you accidentally find yourself in a normally developing civilized country and do some trouble there? As for Kazakhstan, I do not see any difference at all between this province and its Russian metropolis. Why are they generally divided and who will be punished for this, and, moreover, extremely harshly? And what do you, dear, care about these ghostly distant Kazakhs?
  • ed65b
    ed65b 14 October 2013 12: 19
    +2
    well batyrs, galloped off pasture began to sing old songs? laughing
    For 2 days you have been singing words, then learn new ones. laughing
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 14 October 2013 12: 29
      +4
      Quote: ed65b
      well batyrs, galloped off pasture began to sing old songs? laughing
      For 2 days you have been singing words, then learn new ones. laughing

      Salem, Unfinished Pilot)
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 14 October 2013 16: 34
        +3
        Quote: Essenger
        Quote: ed65b
        well batyrs, galloped off pasture began to sing old songs? laughing
        For 2 days you have been singing words, then learn new ones. laughing

        Salem, Unfinished Pilot)

        Hey. No, they won’t get your grenades of the wrong system laughing
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 15 October 2013 19: 36
          +2
          Quote: ed65b
          No, they won’t get your grenades of the wrong system

          Well then, still live laughing
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 14 October 2013 12: 19
    +5
    Quote: Essenger
    Quote: Janis SU
    You, the North Koreans, of course know best, but with your total poverty, nuclear weapons should not be bothered.

    What is North Korea?

    Quote: Janis SU
    the same applies to Kazakhstan - I do not see any difference between this province and its Russian metropolis.

    You do not distinguish flags? or are you drinking?


    And what kind of Russians are we?
    I, unlike you, dear, very clearly distinguish, even current, national separatist rags. So your trinkets with materials are known to me. Sorry, I laughed at you so that you could have a lesson. Try to continue to be more careful yourself, otherwise the next time I will enroll you in the Tiger of Liberation of Tamil-Ilam.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 14 October 2013 12: 28
      0
      He asked specifically one question, they did not answer. Write at least in Latvian ss to me violet. Do fiction here.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 15 October 2013 01: 02
      +1
      Quote: Janis SU
      Sorry, I laughed at you so that you could have a lesson.

      Your humor is so subtle that people with blind eyes of Western propaganda do not see it.
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 15 October 2013 19: 37
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        Western propaganda through the eyes.

        Well, I’m working at the State Department
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  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 14 October 2013 12: 38
    +5
    Why should the Kazakhs participate in this on the side of the Russians? Here explain it, just do not start about Libya, Iraq, etc.
    --------------------------
    It is extremely clear and clear - in fact, it is one people that, by the will of overseas and Western efforts, as well as with the active participation of local national separatists and other destructive forces, was artificially divided. Language, race and so on, so on - all this is nonsense. The general history and formation of a single state by pouring sweat and blood on the altar of statehood of the common ancestors that inhabit these and those territories is important. Separation and dissociation always lead to anger and revenge, joint efforts and a common historical outline - to prosperity, goodness and friendship. My whole tale is unhurried, where the truth in the last resort is indicated with a clear rod line.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 14 October 2013 18: 12
      +2
      Great comment! good
    2. Essenger
      Essenger 15 October 2013 19: 39
      +2
      Quote: Janis SU
      My whole tale is unhurried, where the truth in the last resort is indicated with a clear rod line.

      I see you have not yet moved away from the image of Petrosyan)

      Quote: Janis SU
      Separation and dissociation always lead to anger and revenge, joint efforts and a common historical outline - to prosperity, goodness and friendship.

      Well, the same, I am also for joint efforts, but not with you, but with the Turks.
  • Che Guevara
    Che Guevara 14 October 2013 12: 40
    10
    Quote: ia-ai00
    Quote: Essenger
    Regarding 80% in Kazakhstan, this is a blatant lie, on the contrary 80% against the TS.

    This "gentleman" apparently believes that HE is the 80% of Kazakhstanis who are against the Customs Union!

    He is an economist himself and a good one, with an 8-year internship in the EU, I definitely say that without a vehicle in general, the industry of Kazakhstan, the Kitaezs still have all that remains, so 50% of the oil and gas already practically belong to China. If you do not put a customs barrier to Kitaezam, there is no chance to raise industry in Kazakhstan, and it is the same in other republics. And the fact that many Kazakhstanis are against the CU is a reflex to the government, many do not like to put it mildly. In the opposition press, Hayar Nazarbayev, part of the people support this, but if they write badly about the TS there, then this is bad. This is the whole point of those Kazakhstanis who do not like the TS. But there are no facts why it’s bad in the vehicle, although of course cars and manufactured goods have risen in price, that’s all the arguments. But here it is necessary to understand without this at this stage how. When we build new enterprises (they practically disappeared in the Republic of Kazakhstan in the 90s), prices will begin to decline
    1. Irtysh
      Irtysh 14 October 2013 16: 44
      +3
      Well, here we are in the Republic of Belarus, too, but father’s water on the first day. Let not relax.

      But nevertheless, no matter how everything was done slowly and with shyness, there would be no alternative but to unite, otherwise we would be finished in fifty years with us, like the Indians ...
    2. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 14 October 2013 17: 18
      +4
      Quote: Chegevara
      I definitely say that without a vehicle, the tryndets of Kazakhstan’s industry
      Hello hi Well, not everything is so simple, tryndets certainly will not. They lived somehow before the vehicle wink
      I do not consider myself an ardent supporter of the CU, but all the less, Kazakhstan needs it.
      Just for the development of this very industry. Which, like me and other Kazakhs (Kasym, Marek, Aksakal, etc.) have already written, should stimulate the emergence of jobs. Moreover, it is precisely technological production, which should form in the future a powerful array of "gray collars" and the scientific and technical layer. Well, and correspondingly to the emergence of a normal "middle" class. Which will play a kind of depreciation role in the stability of our state.
      The best option for Kazakhstan was the creation of the Central Asian Union, with the possible connection of Azerbaijan, but without Turkey .. Nazarbayev openly told Karimov that this would allow him not to look back at Moscow, Beijing, and even Washington. On my own I will add that, at least in order not to hear the terrible cries about "freelogging" wink But, everything rested against the position of Uzbekistan. And without it, integration in our region loses its meaning.
      Currently, the Republic of Kazakhstan will go for integration within the CU ("the die is cast"), but at the same time there is a clear understanding of the border beyond which Kazakhstan will not go.
      Quote: Chegevara
      When we build new enterprises (they almost disappeared in the 90s in the Republic of Kazakhstan), prices will begin to decline
      I completely agree. You just need to be patient. As for cars, a fundamental decision has already been made to subsidize the purchase of Kazakhstan-made cars, which will make them affordable for most Kazakhstanis.
      Something like that recourse amateur opinion ..
  • Zymran
    Zymran 14 October 2013 12: 44
    +5
    Quote: Chegevara

    He is an economist himself and a good one, with 8 summer internship in the EU, I definitely say that without a vehicle in general the industry of Kazakhstan, the Kitaezs still have everything left, so 50% of oil and gas practically already belong to China.


    http://kapital.kz/details/21795/kitaj-snizit-dolyu-v-neftegazovom-sektore-rk.htm
    l
    Today, the share of China is 24 percent and will gradually decline.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 14 October 2013 12: 48
      +5
      Quote: Zymran
      Today, the share of China is 24 percent and will gradually decline.

      Zimran believe him in words he is an economist)))
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 14 October 2013 13: 53
        0
        I carefully read all the comments and for some reason recalled a scene from the film of our childhood. Aliens put earthlings in a car and zombie: "we will make you happy, we will make you happy." For some reason, Kazakhs do not consider themselves happy after joining the Customs Union. And they are reproached, they say, you've ALREADY become happy, you just don't feel ... Well, well ...
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 14 October 2013 15: 17
          +2
          The main thing is that there are supporters of the CU from Kazakhstan, so are its opponents. And you read only opponents. Maybe this is the mood?
        2. alone
          alone 14 October 2013 20: 35
          +1
          Quote: xetai9977
          I carefully read all the comments and for some reason recalled a scene from the film of our childhood. Aliens put earthlings in a car and zombie: "we will make you happy, we will make you happy."


          Hi Rauf! I think we were lucky that we are not in the vehicle)) otherwise we would be compared by North Koreans))) laughing
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  • In the book
    In the book 14 October 2013 12: 45
    +3
    Quote: DEfindER
    Quote: gosha1970
    Strongest economy ??????? On the smelting of cast iron, maybe I can not argue.

    Well, in the economy of the USSR, only the USA was second only. After the war, the whole world owed amers, on a large scale, including the USSR, and they rose due to the war.
    Quote: gosha1970
    But about life, there is a complete ambush.

    And what you do not like about the standard of living, in the USSR during its heyday, he was certainly no lower than the American. (the table used the 1961 exchange rate of 1 dollar = 90 kopecks)


    It is pointless to compare the USSR with the present, especially in economics.
    If under the USSR there was communist feudalism, now it is capitalist feudalism.
    What was very good in the USSR was the state policy in education (we still use the fruits of this education), and the USSR economy could not compete with other countries (except in the defense and space industries), the social mood in the USSR was kept only at the expense of that the citizens of the country did not know how she was, life abroad and judged about it only on one or two TV channels, from radio and newspapers
    In this case, I completely agree with Putin's quote: “He who does not regret the collapse of the USSR has no heart. And the one who wants to restore it in its previous form does not have a head ”
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 14 October 2013 12: 50
    +7
    In principle, one general conclusion can be made here: The Trade Union is beneficial to all and this is a good thing. Trade is always better than being an appendage of cheap labor with a ruined industry and destroyed agriculture. Dixi.
  • nod739
    nod739 14 October 2013 12: 57
    +5
    Quote: gosha1970
    But about life, there is a complete ambush.


    why an ambush? Is sugar sold in gray paper? and not in a beautiful packaging? or the fact that the sea went to the Crimea and not to Egypt or Indonesia?
    or the fact that you could go to the cinema for 20 cents (the cost of a loaf of bread)?
    and the fact that everyone is dressed, shod, satiated, everyone works (there is no unemployment), that there are no requisitions in schools / kindergartens and they were clearly taught better, that children walk on the street all day - and no one is afraid - there are no freaks, maniacs and others - Is it an ambush ???

    for me it’s better to be without beautiful wrappers, without advertising, but a clean, calm, confident tomorrow, life, and not an eternal search for where to snatch something, and how not to die.
    There were some excesses, but we learn from mistakes, and for some reason we abandoned all good things and reject them, instead of fixing something!

    and about smelting cast iron, this is actually an indirect indicator of heavy industry.
    and when shovel factories were destroyed and plundered, for some reason they didn’t take everyone to scrap, but the best unique machines were exported to the west, for example, machines for processing large parts with a diameter of up to 15 meters — they have the best, there wasn’t and there is no such equipment
  • Che Guevara
    Che Guevara 14 October 2013 13: 00
    +1
    Quote: Essenger
    Quote: Zymran
    Today, the share of China is 24 percent and will gradually decline.

    Zimran believe him in words he is an economist)))


    By the way, I’ve been in the oil and gas industry since 1999, I can’t give you the numbers by subscription
    1. romb
      romb 14 October 2013 13: 12
      0
      Hello, what about Karachaganak, they say, soon there will be interesting news on the additional composition of the participants?
  • nod739
    nod739 14 October 2013 13: 13
    +3
    Quote: roma2
    Well, what is the advantage of the TS over the EU ???

    at least there are no quotas - no one restricts anyone

    Quote: roma2
    The Russian craving to measure the standard of living in dollars kills me.

    Well, if you start measuring American rubles, then just hysteria will begin


    Quote: roma2
    Only now you can’t get over it, then dirty at the border, then you kill the fishermen, and then they raised so much to the whole world.
    POLICY in one word.


    it was somehow in the news that goods (some equipment) had been standing on the Ukrainian border for several days from the Urals, which significantly impacted some joint project ... that no one shouted that Kiev was crushing, and in Ukraine, as I understand it, there wasn’t such news at all show
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 14 October 2013 13: 13
    +3
    I sometimes think about it ... because a lot of Germans lived in Kazakhstan at one time. They had whole well-groomed and extremely productive villages with pastures and other things. Even under the Russian autocrats, it was customary that specialists from abroad should be distributed over uninhabited Russian territories, including in order to accustom the local population to more highly technical work. He was in the Kazakh SSR through his service and met one such family. Their collective farm in general favorably differed from the Kazakhs proper, just like a picture - well-groomed, even, streets in asphalt, and numerous agricultural objects around. And there were quite a few of them in Kazakhstan. This has greatly raised the bar for the development of the region as a whole. Plus Russian specialists who contributed to the development of the industry. What has become of all this now? After all, indeed ... huge funds and human resources were invested in each republic. Are they grateful for this and do they even understand the meaning of the two words "Big Motherland"? I'm not talking about the fact that most of these republics ("from the master's shoulder") of the Russian people were presented with huge territories. Are they grateful to the Russian rulers for the careful attitude towards their languages, culture, and national identity? Do they remember and honor the Russian soldier (it is simply stupid to correlate the human losses of any or all republics with Russia, since the main burdens always fell on her and her mothers ...), that the future gave his life more than once for their and their descendants? Here and now I am reading one of the "grateful" (either a Brazilian, or a Kazakh, or an Australian) - they say, even don't care if the Americans and Russians destroy each other. Disgusting, disgusting and petty. Was all that work of many generations of our common ancestors in vain and the animal principle (isolation, herd, greed, bickering, vindictiveness, ingratitude ...) still prevails in man? Alas ...
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 14 October 2013 13: 22
      0
      Quote: Janis SU
      "from the master's shoulder") the Russian people were presented with huge territories.

      Who transmitted when? I personally also have questions why Orenburg is in Russia? This is an artificial barrier between us and our brothers Tatars and Bashkirs.
    2. romb
      romb 14 October 2013 13: 31
      +2
      Many Germans left. At the same time do not forget to often come to visit. Indeed, one can only admire their ability to maintain their homes and entire settlements: everything is neat, well-groomed and very harmonious. There is definitely something to learn from them. At the time, it was considered lucky among Kazakhs to buy a house from a German. Now, of course, everything is somewhat different, the features of the residence of this nation have been erased a little from the architectural appearance of the Kazakhstan outback.
      As for the Russian soldiers, depending on which. If your definition means - Soviet soldier, then certainly - yes. And if about other times, then no.
    3. romb
      romb 14 October 2013 13: 34
      +1
      And when will a monument be erected in Russia to the Great Golden Horde khans, who have made so much to form a single Russian nation from the Slavic-Turkic-Ugric tribes and nationalities?
    4. smersh70
      smersh70 14 October 2013 13: 46
      +3
      Quote: Janis SU
      I'm not talking about the fact that most of these republics ("from the master's shoulder") of the Russian people were presented with huge territories.


      and in general .... the Republic of the Baltic states should be annexed to Russia. or at least to Belarus ..... good
      1. romb
        romb 14 October 2013 13: 56
        +2
        and in general .... the Republic of the Baltic states should be annexed to Russia. or at least to Belarus.

        And he needs it.))))
        It is one thing to seem clever looking at a problem from the side, and quite another when you yourself find yourself in it.
      2. morpex
        morpex 14 October 2013 21: 09
        -2
        Quote: smersh70
        and in general .... the Republic of the Baltic states should be annexed to Russia. or at least to Belarus.

        and what will they benefit from this? Today, the Customs Union DOES NOT PROTECT either the Russian manufacturer or the Russian consumer in any way. What scare Russian citizens of the media when it comes to free trade between Ukraine and the EU? By the fact that in Ukraine there will be many CHEAP products. But if the goods become cheaper, it wins every ordinary consumer - at least. You can argue - someone will lose their jobs. And here the most interesting part begins - why is it all the same expensive in Russia Today, half of the residents of the Kaliningrad region are trying to sell in Poland .. Why Because there at least everything is 2 CHEAPER. And, by the way, basically everything is QUALITATIVE, as well as in Lithuania - even in Kaliningrad stores the majority buys the same Lithuanian ice cream, which does not differ in taste from the Soviet ice cream, which cannot be said about the local producer. And the question is why? At the expense of what is it possible? The reasons for this are also known for a long time, but for some reason neither the politicians from the opposition nor the political scientists are silent - in the vast majority.
        I will not give any kind of tsifiri, but who cares -http: //uainfo.org/yandex/205855-tamozhennyy-soyuz-privel-by-tolko-k-podorozhani
        yu-produktov-i-uhudsheniyu-ih-kachestva.html # sel =
        1. 528Obrp
          528Obrp 15 October 2013 10: 22
          +2
          Quote: morpex
          every ordinary consumer wins

          yeah, you say this to the Greeks and Cypriots.
          1. Walker1975
            Walker1975 15 October 2013 11: 04
            +3
            Yes. Let us pity the Greeks, and then compare the living standards of prosperous Russia and unhappy Greece.
            1. lordinicus
              lordinicus 15 October 2013 11: 32
              +3
              Honestly, I would like to live as bad as the Greeks and Cypriots, rather than as good as I live in Ukraine.
              I will explain. Grub is cheaper, grub quality is much better, cars are cheaper, there is at least some medetsin.
              If the Greeks and Cypriots go out into the street shouting that the government is, they listen to them and the government starts to stir! And we needed several months of complete delirium of the "Orange Revolution" for the people to hear.
              In contrast to bluish Europe, we have an example of the members of the TS Belarus, which respects all mental and non-human rights. Kazakhstan where the president is the same person 4 times in a row. Interesting people in these countries at least somehow listening?
              1. Essenger
                Essenger 15 October 2013 20: 28
                +2
                Quote: lordinicus
                Kazakhstan where the president is the same person 4 times in a row. Interesting people in these countries at least somehow listening?

                Of course not, otherwise they wouldn’t be in the vehicle
              2. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny 20 October 2013 12: 10
                0
                Quote: lordinicus
                Kazakhstan where the president is the same person 4 times in a row. Interesting people in these countries at least somehow listening?

                Of course yes, otherwise they would not be in the vehicle laughing
          2. morpex
            morpex 15 October 2013 12: 37
            -1
            Quote: 528Obrp
            Quote: morpex
            every ordinary consumer wins

            yeah, you say this to the Greeks and Cypriots.

            Before you draw any conclusions and minus, carefully read everything that is written. Did I say that TS is bad? Just the facts as they are. Criticism respected should be perceived adequately, and not sing along to the tune of your media. It's like we in the Union were buzzing about decaying capitalism, and it is an infection that still rot and rot. Someone I want to "rot" like they "rot".
    5. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 15 October 2013 09: 50
      +3
      Pure SSovets laughing
    6. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 20 October 2013 12: 17
      0
      Janis, sometimes it's better to chew than talk. For each of your suggestions, you must give a large disproving answer. Yes, the meaning? You won’t read it anyway, because just as you yourself have blindfolded a popular print, you will die with it.
      Z.Y. And do not think that under your colorful and pompous words your contemptuous chauvinism is not noticeable.
  • vanaheym
    vanaheym 14 October 2013 13: 14
    +2
    I was especially pleased about the rallies in Serbia about joining the CU.
    The Serbs are actively negotiating about joining the EU, unlike Ukraine, which only thinks about "association", the Serbs have had visa-free entry to the EU since 2009, and most importantly, they well remembered Russia's position at the time when Serbia was bombed by NATO planes.
    I was in Serbia 3 months ago, I have a sister there since the 90s who lives with my husband - no one needs a customs union there, it’s nice to just be friendly towards the Russian-speaking population.
    1. Volodin
      14 October 2013 13: 31
      +4
      The article does not have a word about rallies in Serbia. An offer from three Serb parties and rallies are, sort of, different things. If you read the article, then be careful, and if you do not read, then why comment on what is not in it.
      1. bogumil
        bogumil 14 October 2013 16: 47
        +2
        3 Serbian parties are far from the whole of Serbia and not the Serbian people all the more. Transnistria is not Moldova. Therefore, give them an example and say that the whole world dreams, sleeps and sees how to merge with Russia in a long kiss on the basis of the rules of the Customs Union - - It’s not necessary. Moreover, it’s necessary to indicate, they say, what unreasonable rulers in Ukraine, Moldova and Serbia, the whole world, even the peoples living in these countries want this customs marriage, and the leadership rests. One fact is that Lithuania was cut off from supplies milk and meat to Russia, suggests that this is n e Customs Union, and involvement in a political union that was once tested and the results are known to everyone. It would seem, what does Lithuania have to do with it? It just provides a platform for signing or discussing the alleged agreements. Already how many threats have been expressed to Ukraine by the same Glazyev, Rogozin already several times frightened Moldova that Russia recognized Transnistria.
        I don't understand why Russia needs these countries as allies, when it has such friends as Vanuatu, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Nauru and other exotic things ??. Russia thinks that it will be bad for Ukraine in the EU, let it continue to think so. Do not frighten with blackmail Russia thinks that Ukraine will bend into the EU and become an outcast there? So, let it be so, but Russia will have a reason to say - “We warned, we said, we only wished for the best brothers-Slavs, and they are unreasonable, let them disobey now. "And then the whole world will see what wise politicians still rule Russia, how disinterested, what globally advocate for this planet as a whole. Because of what such a wind, such a cheese, bor, such experiences and wringing of hands in moaning and crying?
        1. Volodin
          14 October 2013 18: 02
          +2
          what, they say, the whole world dreams, sleeps and sees how to merge with Russia in a long kiss on the basis of the rules of the Customs Union --- is not necessary.


          I’m wondering, where did you read in the article that "the whole world is asleep and sees ..." If there were meetings - examples were given, there were party proposals - examples are also given. If these examples do not match your personal opinion, then they do not cease to be real examples from this.
          1. Walker1975
            Walker1975 14 October 2013 18: 21
            +1
            The author hints at the manipulation of the perception of information. For example, 3 Serbian parties. How many of them are in parliament? What percentage of the population represent?
            1. bogumil
              bogumil 14 October 2013 20: 09
              0
              This is exactly what I mean, because at the beginning of the article, rallies in different places of Ukraine and Moldova were listed, as well as about 3 dwarf parties of Serbia. This listing was intended to show the alleged mass protests, their growing influence in the minds and actions of the entire population. right off the bat went the usual enumeration of Glazyev’s arguments and other edros and non-donors about the erroneous steps that these countries supposedly take. We ourselves are able to read and analyze. If the author brought something new and even more convincing, even his, then there would be a subject for a thorough and interesting conversation. The author just once again threw a stone and the goal was to put the circles on the water again. I think we should take a more responsible approach to topics and, moreover, to their presentation. Simple retelling of facts and their layout at their discretion is an elementary disrespect for the members of the forum.
        2. Walker1975
          Walker1975 14 October 2013 18: 18
          +2
          Under the USSR, they also found some protester and showed him in such a way that it seemed that he was followed by the entire progressive population. So here ... in these three parties and the population, probably less than a percent. I doubt that these parties are members of parliament, and in the context it seems that almost tomorrow Serbia will ask for a TS.
  • andrey777
    andrey777 14 October 2013 13: 29
    +2
    Quote: Essenger
    Well, we have different Kazakhs, there are those who do not know their native language.

    With whom I spoke, they know him (language). And nevertheless, they want unification.
    1. romb
      romb 14 October 2013 13: 52
      +4
      Andrey, they want to combine their economic opportunities. But again, only if it is economically beneficial for Kazakhstan. Agree, it is foolish to enter into unions that do not help develop the state economy and the general welfare of citizens, but rather only worsen the general state of affairs. In addition, it is very important to understand that the question of creating a new state or joining an existing state with the loss of state sovereignty is practically not supported by any of the Kazakhs.
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 14 October 2013 15: 07
    10
    I read it, it's cool. We divide the skin, and the beast is still outside the door. As a Kazakh with more than half a century of experience, I declare that Russia is our ally. Dot.
  • Essenger
    Essenger 14 October 2013 15: 20
    -9
    By the way, I congratulate all Ukrainians on the day of the creation of the Ukrainian rebel army.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 14 October 2013 16: 39
      +5
      Quote: Essenger
      By the way, I congratulate all Ukrainians on the day of the creation of the Ukrainian rebel army.

      Found something to congratulate. A clumsy pick. Not a channel.
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 15 October 2013 20: 34
        +1
        Quote: ed65b
        Found something to congratulate.

        Next time I will consult with you pilot)
    2. T80UM1
      T80UM1 18 October 2013 15: 16
      +3
      A big minus, our grandfathers fought with them Nazi geeks, my grandfather, a Kazakh friend, fought a bunch of them, they didn’t stand on ceremony sawing them alive.
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 14 October 2013 16: 56
    +1
    Quote: smersh70
    Quote: Janis SU
    I'm not talking about the fact that most of these republics ("from the master's shoulder") of the Russian people were presented with huge territories.


    and in general .... the Republic of the Baltic states should be annexed to Russia. or at least to Belarus ..... good


    I only for, moreover, I consider it unconditional for execution. Just do not join, but reunite. Restore former status of allied relations. These are two different things.
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 14 October 2013 17: 02
    0
    Quote: romb
    and in general .... the Republic of the Baltic states should be annexed to Russia. or at least to Belarus.

    And he needs it.))))
    It is one thing to seem clever looking at a problem from the side, and quite another when you yourself find yourself in it.


    It is not about the mind and observation of certain problems from the outside or from the inside, but about the restoration of historical justice. Many would like to restore fraternal neighborly relations. The national elites derive only from this idea alone and, quite predictably, the nations will mischief, inventing all kinds of horror stories about Russia and its completely justified centuries-old geopolitical activity. The whole tale.
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 14 October 2013 17: 07
    +1
    Quote: romb
    And when will a monument be erected in Russia to the Great Golden Horde khans, who have made so much to form a single Russian nation from the Slavic-Turkic-Ugric tribes and nationalities?


    Absolutely, then, when the United States will put the very tombstones and monuments practically etched by them and destroyed the Indians. Moreover, having previously compensated for the seizure of territories by the remaining few Indians and their friendly multinational osprey, the promised ones will rush to their native lands. What is the question - that is the answer.
    1. romb
      romb 14 October 2013 17: 23
      +3
      Dear, you obviously do not carefully read what other people write. To compare what the Golden Horde did for the peoples of Eurasia with what the Americans did with the indigenous population of America, very politely saying: heaven and earth.
      By the way, to this flag, I have nothing to do.
  • Walker1975
    Walker1975 14 October 2013 18: 27
    +3
    Quote: smersh70
    Quote: Janis SU
    I'm not talking about the fact that most of these republics ("from the master's shoulder") of the Russian people were presented with huge territories.


    and in general .... the Republic of the Baltic states should be annexed to Russia. or at least to Belarus ..... good


    Who needs? Go to NATO. Only first, let the rulers of the Russian Federation withdraw their billions from the accounts of the banks of the countries of the probable adversary, take the children from school from there and sell the pitchfork.
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 14 October 2013 19: 02
    +2
    Quote: romb
    Dear, you obviously do not carefully read what other people write. To compare what the Golden Horde did for the peoples of Eurasia with what the Americans did with the indigenous population of America, very politely saying: heaven and earth.
    By the way, to this flag, I have nothing to do.


    I am extremely attentive and I perfectly understood the core line of your message to me. I will say it differently ... What does the Golden Horde have to do with current realities? This is trivial - present-day Kazakhstan is entirely the product of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. It should be based on this constant. You recall the time of King Pea. I believe that the time should come when the peoples will begin to reunite and rally around Russia, since we are very close mentally, culturally and historically. Here you can hang a lot of noodles a lot, they say, our languages ​​are different and so on, but all this is nonsense. Everywhere in the former USSR, moreover, that old people, young people like to watch old Soviet films, digest your literature and current cinema, humor, concerts and so on in huge volumes. Anecdotes are close, often people recall that Army, an uncountable number of kindred bonds that literally intertwined the entire space of the former Union. That's exactly what I try to tell you, dear, and to some Kazakhs present here to convey. Why should I, or many of my fellow tribesmen, abandon the idea of ​​re-living in the House that rightfully belongs to us, which is common to all of us? You should perfectly understand that everything in this life that is passing, that is, temporarily. On this basis, we do not give up hope for the past. Have you understood me and should I follow this idea in a more detailed and understandable form of presentation?
    1. romb
      romb 14 October 2013 20: 58
      +2
      You would carefully read what you yourself wrote.
      For instance. Out of the blue decided (like - subtly) to compare the German and Kazakh "productive" villages. So, unfortunately, after the departure of the Germans, neither Kazakhs nor Russians clearly reached the level that corresponded to the houses and settlements of those who left. In short, it was a beautiful, cozy house, but it turned into a crooked, lopsided hut. You can understand the Kazakhs, most of them lived in a nomadic culture. Although now even in the outback, Kazakhs have begun to rebuild luxurious houses with all communications and elements of landscape design. But why the Russians have a low culture of maintaining residential buildings and settlements, I do not understand, as if, unlike the Kazakhs, they did not live in yurts.
      Or this:
      This is trivial - present-day Kazakhstan is entirely the product of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union.
      Do you seriously think that Kazakhstan is a product of RI? The Kazakh Khanate, as one of the parts of the disintegrated DA, appeared long before the emergence of a centralized Russian state. However, the Moscow principality, which is the progenitor of the Republic of Ingushetia, was also just a particle of the above state. So I propose honoring military-political figures who have contributed to the formation of the two states.
      As for the Russian soldiers, what do we owe them? Did they make any contribution or were specialists in health care, education, or did they help the Kazakhs in their battles with the Dzungars and in their relations with the Chinese?
      If you are aware of such facts, please share with the public.
      1. beifall
        beifall 15 October 2013 05: 23
        0
        Therefore, Russian citizens of the Russian Federation can get a multiple visa in the United States for three years, Central Asia will not receive it at all - NOT A HORSE !!!!!!!!!!! However, like Belarus, and Uzbekistan is generally considered a terrorist country - it is written on the website of the State Department !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And we - a multiple visa overseas - for ....................... 5 years We are different !!!!!!!!!!!!! The only thing that unites us with the Russians is that only Russian and a few Azerbaijanis + Tatar read Russian TV in Russian in them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have the same thing - they read news on TV in the state language (KAZAKH) - Russians, Ukrainian, Polish with Jewish roots, Korean, Greeks and black woman, and even two (2!) Black women, OH SORRY !!!!!!!! well, that is, African-American, and maybe African-Russian !!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE are different and even the west is recognized !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by issuing such visas !!!!!!!!!!!