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Nikolai Starikov: America will never leave Russia alone

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Nikolai Starikov: America will never leave Russia alone - Nikolai Viktorovich, the hostility of the USSR and the USA was ideological: we built communism, they are capitalism. But now, in Russia, too, capitalism, but America is still plotting us intrigues...


- In geopolitics simple canons. States are divided into two types - land and sea powers.

The first must develop a fleet to defend their resources. And the latter should cut them off from the coast and take away resources. Britain and the United States - the classic powers of the sea. We are the quintessence of sushi.

We can be “red”, “green”, even though the backshades are in the back, but geopolitics says: just like a great Eurasian civilization of land, the civilization of the sea will try to split and cut off the coast. This is what should be understood.

“But the West all the time insisted that it fights against the“ communist conspiracy against the free world ”...”

- I analyzed in my book. Those Russian sovereigns who developed the fleet were dying as a result of strange diseases or palace conspiracies, which surprisingly coincided with situations when Russia had only half a step to strategic victories. After the death of Peter I, for example (which, it seems to me, wasn’t due to natural reasons), Russia went through a series of palace coups and was cast off for a long time to second roles in Europe. Without fleet they begin to choke us and push us deep into the continent. Recall the collapse of the USSR. Which republics of the former Soviet Union were immediately admitted to NATO, cut off from Russia and sent troops there? Baltic. Why? This is access to the sea. And according to the canons of geopolitics, the first steps that a sea power should take are to cut off the land civilization from the sea and create puppet regimes in coastal zones against the land civilization.

- And for this reason, the United States and Britain are so interested in having regimes unfriendly to Russia in Ukraine and in Georgia?

- Of course. The task is to cut off Moscow from the Black Sea as much as possible. As for Ukraine, here is another goal. This is an important part of the Russian people. And according to the principle of “Divide and rule,” it is necessary to incite one part of the people against another, while being on the sidelines. The British did the same in India. They created, leaving from there, several states, as a result, Indians from Pakistan are fighting with Indians from India. We can also recall two Ireland, two Sudan ... This is a classic of the genre.

- Anglo-Saxon model of world governance?

- This is a Roman model "Divide and Conquer." It’s just that these guys have mastered the system of putting off peoples like no other. What did the British do when they came to America? They pitted the Indians, and then gave them blankets infected with smallpox. Fire water plus smallpox, as a result, millions of Indians were destroyed. The Russians, when they came to some region, never did that. On the contrary, local conflicts were immediately extinguished. Take Dagestan. More 100 peoples. Languages ​​are different. Millions of conflicts. There was an endless war. Russia came to the Caucasus - the reason for the war was gone, the enemy was already on the other side of the borders. You ask yourself the question: why are “color” revolutions taking place in those countries that are beginning to matter in the geopolitical situation, and not in those where human rights are worse and harder on people? And why does the US support the revolutions there?

- I went to rallies of the “swamp” opposition in Moscow. There were many people who sincerely believed in their ideals.

- Always so. At the head of any revolution is a few paid agents, ambitious or just bastards. All others do not receive any dividends and believe in ideals. But they are being manipulated. And there is always a group of "orange" elite, which receives a mandate of immunity from the United States. Please note, such revolutions work in those countries where the pro-American regime is already standing. Take Egypt.

- Mubarak was an ally of the United States.

- Yes. But the Americans forbade Mubarak to use force against demonstrators. As a result, he resigned ... Kiev, Mr. Kuchma is sitting, who is more pro-American and not at all pro-Russian. The United States makes it clear to him that if he suppresses the Orange Revolution by force, it will end badly for him. Take Georgia. Shevardnadze, who is guided by the United States ... Well, where the regime is not pro-American, bombings are taking place, as in Yugoslavia, Libya, as almost happened in Syria ...

- And we have?

- Let's remember, with the return of Putin to the presidency, our policy has seriously changed. And the Americans understood perfectly well that Putin would bother them. Now ask yourself. So you, being in the leadership of the USA, would pay the opposition in Russia, which will help you to prevent Putin from returning? Of course they would! First, it is cheap. Secondly, you solve your problems immediately, not only within Russia. The man who heads Russia is interfering with your plans in many parts of the world. Now, remember the main slogan of the "swamp" opposition: "Anyone, not Putin." And when did the activization of the opposition begin? After the decision was made to return Putin. You just need to match the interests of the most powerful Western power with the actions of pro-Western forces in Russia. And the mosaic will develop.

- But hardly anyone would dare bomb Russia?

- As shown by 1991 year, bombing is not necessary. Let's face it. Gorbachev destroyed not only the USSR, he returned to our geopolitical opponents that Peter I and Catherine II had been taken from them. Because Peter I bought the Baltic lands as a result of a long war with the Swedes. Catherine II annexed the Crimea. And Gorbachev gave. He did not squander the Soviet legacy, but the fact that for centuries our ancestors were bloodied and then conquered. And this all happened, as in 1917, under the talk of freedom. Now this dope from the majority of our people was asleep, they see that the threats have not disappeared.

- For example, from China?

- Throw. China is a land state that has more contradictions not with Russia, but with the states of the sea. The threat of China is deliberately pedaled by pro-Western forces inside Russia. Because their task is to embroil Russia and China and repeat the scenario of the First World War, when the British were pushed between two continental powers. Now they would like to entrust the role of Germany to China.

- It turns out that geopolitically, we are with Britain - enemies, and with Germany - allies. But in alliance with the British, we have already fought against Germany ...

- The First World War - it was a strategic miscalculation of Nicholas II. As a result, the Russian Empire was destroyed. The British managed to draw Russia into conflict with those with whom it should have been friends - with the Germans. The Second World War was already on the conscience (if, of course, he had a conscience) Adolf Hitler. But today, Germany is no longer a land state, it has entered into a large maritime association, NATO. Ask yourself the question: what are American, British and French troops doing in Germany today? From whom do they protect her? From Poland - a member of NATO? Maybe from France itself - a member of NATO? They defend Germany there from the Germans themselves! This is an occupational army. Similarly with Japan.

- Can Russia restore what it lost with the collapse of the USSR?

“Stolypin also said: give a decade of peaceful development, and you will not recognize Russia.” The main thing for us is to stay away from conflicts. But the restoration of Russia is impossible without the inclusion in its zone of influence of other parts of Russian civilization. And first of all - Ukraine.

- If we need to avoid conflicts, why do we quarrel with the United States over Syria?

- Syria is not a goal of world players, but a point of application of forces to achieve a goal. The United States and Britain are consistently destroying the statehood of the countries of the Middle East in order to create chaos at the borders of Russia and China. Russia was able to halt the progress of this chaos, changing the international opinion on Syria with a brilliant proposal to control its chemical weapons. On the other hand, Putin gave Obama a chance to get out of the clinch without losing face.

- If the States are our geopolitical opponent, why do we give them to save face?

- The US is decrepit, and the West comes to a standstill due to its financial model based on the dollar. Our task is to prevent the collapse of this model at once. Otherwise, for the United States, the only way out will be a big war. The task of Russia and China is not to let the war begin, dismantling the dollar system smoothly.

- In my opinion, you are an overly optimistic about our future.

- World Cup, too, no one can win once and for all. As well as lose. If we in 1991 have lost territories and influence, this does not mean that we have lost them forever. There is no place for despondency. There must be a place of understanding. The main thing is that the great geopolitical players, whom the Russian land gave birth to often, continue to come to the leadership of Russia.
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  1. Lech from our city
    Lech from our city 12 October 2013 07: 29
    39
    Of course it won’t leave - there’s no need to go far.
    It is enough to listen to the rhetoric of American experts on information and sabotage war-in plain text they say how they are going to ruin RUSSIA.
    Methods and methods are old as a world-deception, bribery, forgery, substitution of concepts and finally direct aggression.
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 12 October 2013 07: 35
      19
      Quote: Lech from our city
      Of course he won’t leave it - there is no need to go far.
      It is enough to listen to the rhetoric of American experts on information and sabotage war-in plain text they say how they are going to ruin RUSSIA.
      Methods and methods are old as a world-deception, bribery, forgery, substitution of concepts and finally direct aggression.

      And this is all one EXCLUSIVE America!
      1. INTER
        INTER 12 October 2013 09: 21
        13
        Quote: Lech from our city
        Of course it won’t leave - there’s no need to go far.
        It is enough to listen to the rhetoric of American experts on information and sabotage war-in plain text they say how they are going to ruin RUSSIA.
        Methods and methods are old as a world-deception, bribery, forgery, substitution of concepts and finally direct aggression.

        Many tried and screamed to destroy Russia. But they all ended up alone!
        1. Kibalchish
          Kibalchish 12 October 2013 10: 23
          10
          Russia from the point of view of the United States takes up too much space on the map, so they are trying to use internal forces (Muslims) to destroy it.
          1. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 12 October 2013 13: 00
            24
            Quote: Kibalchish
            Russia from the point of view of the United States takes up too much space on the map, so they are trying to use internal forces (Muslims) to destroy it.


            From the point of view of Russia, the USA is one large cesspool. I propose to start dumping waste there without hesitation.
            1. rrrd
              rrrd 12 October 2013 22: 47
              +7
              from the very beginning of moaning, it was already a cesspool. since the whole rabble was going there.
          2. Starfish
            Starfish 12 October 2013 15: 24
            +6
            Russia from the point of view of the United States takes up too much space on the map, so they are trying to use internal forces (Muslims) to destroy it.

            this is a point, only from the inside can Russia be destroyed, its defender of the army - also destroyed from the inside, people are deprived of free medicine and education - also from the inside. not migrant workers are imported at all by Americans.
            and you are talking about Muslims ...
          3. honest jew
            honest jew 12 October 2013 19: 42
            0
            Nikolai Starikov demonstrates methods of protection against the Anglo-Saxons. laughing hi
          4. Vintorez333
            Vintorez333 13 October 2013 01: 36
            +6
            I’ll be right away, I'm Russian. You shouldn’t be a Muslim here, you’re cheating, many of our people are corrupt, at least remember Bolotnaya Square!
            1. Kahlan amnell
              Kahlan amnell 14 October 2013 11: 49
              +2
              It is a shame for a Russian person to be illiterate, to write in Russian with errors or to distort their native language.
              1. Vintorez333
                Vintorez333 18 October 2013 17: 55
                0
                I apologize.
        2. honest jew
          honest jew 12 October 2013 19: 39
          -13 qualifying.
          Despite the fact that, according to Starikov, Great Britain is the main enemy of all mankind and him personally, and there are also blacks being beaten, his daughter went to England to study exchange !!!
          1. Very old
            Very old 12 October 2013 20: 04
            11
            And rightly so. Well, it’s not we who came up with: the enemy must be known in person
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 12 October 2013 20: 14
              -22 qualifying.
              What kind of enemy?) All people of the white race should live in peace; I love the peoples of all white countries)
              1. Fin
                Fin 12 October 2013 20: 31
                +9
                Quote: New Russia
                All people of the white race should live in peace; I love the peoples of all white countries)

                Are you also a racist? But what about the rest, then you do not love them? In civilized countries you would be sent to prison for such speeches. Horrible.
                1. New Russia
                  New Russia 12 October 2013 20: 43
                  -5
                  This is not racism but love for your people and roots, what are you talking about?
                  1. Jack122
                    Jack122 14 October 2013 15: 50
                    +4
                    Quote: New Russia
                    This is not racism but love for your people and roots, what are you talking about?


                    And what side do "white countries" relate to your people and roots. Racism and love for one's own nation are two different things. I am Russian, white. In fact, I'm a racist and generally not a tolerant person: well, I don't want to see blacks in my city, what can you do. It seems that he was born in the northernmost cold country, but no: blacks climb here too. Only my dislike of blacks does not at all oblige me to love Poles or English
                2. Botanologist
                  Botanologist 13 October 2013 00: 08
                  +7
                  Quote: Fin
                  Are you also a racist?


                  She is a Nazi. Young, not smart, but a Nazi. Do not be surprised.
                  1. Normal
                    Normal 13 October 2013 01: 37
                    -3
                    Quote: Botanologist
                    She is a nazi


                    For Russophobes and pro-government salaries, all Russians are Nazis
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 13 October 2013 01: 45
                      +7
                      Quote: Normal
                      For Russophobes and pro-government salaries, all Russians are Nazis

                      Volodya! I think you are also a Nazi or not Russian what
                      1. Normal
                        Normal 13 October 2013 02: 52
                        +2
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Volodya! I think you are also a Nazi or not Russian


                        No, Ruslan, you are not a Nazi. You are "pro-government", and "Nazi" is me, everyone knows about this. If you don’t believe, ask a friend-moderator.

                        In general, Ruslan, no offense, but I want to tell you the same thing as Romanov. Well, you remember, in a capsule ... in red ... by syllables.
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 13 October 2013 02: 59
                        +6
                        Quote: Normal
                        and "Nazi" is me, everyone knows about it. Do not trust,

                        I do not believe request I'm sorry and I won’t even ask anyone
                        Quote: Normal
                        You are "pro-imperious"

                        I'm for common sense and never been pro-government
                        Quote: Normal
                        but I want to tell you the same thing

                        Quote: Normal
                        Capsule ... in red ... by syllables.

                        That’s what sets you apart - if you don’t agree with you and if you catch on a patient or poke it in a mismatch, then right away — ON X. and that's all. It's convenient but not interesting. In general, not only did I write here
                      3. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 October 2013 03: 49
                        +4
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        That’s what makes you different — if you don’t agree with him and you’ll catch him for a sick person or poke him in a mismatch, then right away — ON X. and all

                        Hi Ruslan! Nerves in a person who calls himself a Nazi, you know, nerves. Leave him alone, you can’t prove a damn thing.
                      4. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 13 October 2013 04: 00
                        +4
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        you can’t prove a damn.

                        Hi Sasha drinks Is it my powerlessness or his stubbornness? what laughing
                      5. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 October 2013 04: 10
                        +5
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Is it my powerlessness or his stubbornness?

                        Hi Ruslan! No, this is our "Russian" opposition wassat
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 13 October 2013 03: 46
              +5
              Quote: Normal
              all Russians are Nazis

              The Russians did not burn anyone in the ovens. Do you consider yourself a Nazi - "well done"! Just don't count the rest of the people as war criminals!
              1. Normal
                Normal 13 October 2013 12: 30
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Nerves in humans who calls himself a Nazi you know, nerves


                What are you, novels, boring. Or not literate? Well, how else can you explain? The third time I write to you ... Do you get it? THIRD!

                WHAT'S LIFE

                Is that what you pester and lie about ?:
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                . Consider yourself a Nazi, "well done"!


                Yes, you call and consider me Natsik:
                Alexander Romanov (1) RU 10 October 2013 08:14 ↑
                Normal just participated in the protests along with Navalny and Russia screamed there without Putin, we are here the power and all that
                ......
                I understand that Natsik, coupled with gays and bulk, shouted Russia without Putin. I remember, there are a lot of views in YouTube


                I don’t know if the moderator sees the comments of the visitor who contributed him to the emergency, but the fact that I will not see your crazy thoughts and pop comments is already a plus.
              2. Alex Nick
                Alex Nick 13 October 2013 23: 03
                +3
                Russians are not Nazis. Just self-preservation is needed. Without it a kayuk.
              3. Very old
                Very old 14 October 2013 18: 22
                +2
                were not Nazis, are not, we will not
            3. Botanologist
              Botanologist 13 October 2013 10: 46
              +2
              Quote: Normal
              For Russophobes and pro-government salaries, all Russians are Nazis


              Quite the contrary - for the Natsik, everyone who thinks differently is either Putininoids or black. Just milled brains do not work fine. Read what this girl writes - only emotions, not a single thought is visible. And you too ... paranormal.
              1. Normal
                Normal 13 October 2013 12: 59
                +2
                Quote: Botanologist
                And you too ... paranormal.


                Than consider the gossips to work, It’s not better to turn on yourself, godfather.
                Quote: Botanologist
                I noticed on Sakharov. 500 man.

                Below, under the imperial banners, is a group of nationalists whom you call Natsik. Where did you count 500 (five companies, a battalion) people?
                And where, in your 50 meters from them a group of rainbow-colored?
                If you listen to Romanov, then the area is filled with Natsik and homosexuals.
                Well, everything is clear with Romanov, but are you not ashamed to lie? Or does the salary compensate for everything?
              2. Botanologist
                Botanologist 13 October 2013 18: 47
                +3
                Quote: Normal
                Below, under the imperial banners, is a group of nationalists,


                To the left under the imperial banners is the Russian Public Union of Baburin. There were only their 150 people. And I did not call them Natsik - in the party, and Dagestanis, and Ingush, and others, with which your client wants to deal. So put the accents right. Once again - learn the materiel.
              3. Normal
                Normal 13 October 2013 19: 49
                +3
                Quote: Botanologist
                To the left under the imperial banners is the Russian Public Union of Baburin. There were only 150 of them.

                This was so reported to you. As well as about the three columns of Natsik in number of 500 people, who later split up and .... evaporated, because in the picture there are no other nationalists, other than those on which I pointed out to you, simply. belay I understand that those who report to you always overestimate the threat and scale of the "disaster". It `s naturally. It's so easy to justify your need and funding.
                And I was there myself. Personally. Just to the right of this group. And he found no Babubrin-Mamurin and his supporters there. Specially asked activists. So you need to learn this equipment and not in a comfortable office, but on the street, in the midst of the people. Yes, where are you going, you’re afraid of the Natsiks, and suddenly there .... TESAK !; fearfully... belay
              4. Botanologist
                Botanologist 13 October 2013 20: 42
                -2
                Quote: Normal
                And I was there myself. Personally. Just to the right of this group. And he found no Babubrin-Mamurin and his supporters there


                Take a closer look at the photo. Have you seen Saveliev too? And didn’t you see Vasiliev? and Pavlov did not see? Then you go to the doctor, check your eyesight.
              5. Normal
                Normal 13 October 2013 21: 56
                +3
                Did these names appear in the report or did you find out from the news? Maybe there were Vasiliev, Pavlov, as well as Ivanov, Petrov and Sidorov. What does this prove or disprove? Where are the nationalists at the rally if this is a group of Baburin? Where are the 500 Natsik whom you personally counted?
                But all this is no longer important.
                In Biryulyovo, riots after the next murder of a Russian (probably a Nazi?) Face of caucasian nationality.
                Rejoice - your policy of indulging Caucasians and opposing Russian self-determination is bearing fruit.
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    2. Very old
      Very old 14 October 2013 18: 28
      +1
      Very many kids on the site. Neither education, nor knowledge, nor experience of life ... NO CRAD. Trying to explain something with their humanoid language And - on the site this is allowed
  • Normal
    Normal 13 October 2013 01: 43
    +4
    Quote: Fin
    Fin Yesterday, 20:31 ↑
    Quote: New Russia
    All people of the white race should live in peace; I love the peoples of all white countries)
    Yes, you are also a racist? .....



    I have been abroad more than once.
    And I saw all sorts of races.
    Stubborn ... la, clogged, rabid.
    I do not hold racism in my heart.
    But for whom I will tell you.
    For whites ... la, for whites ... la, for whites.

    A. Temnov.
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  • Very old
    Very old 12 October 2013 20: 35
    +4
    However, the nickname is not noticeable. And I always despised racists. Kenneth Chachran? and WHITE? Do not drive the snowstorm, swamp
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    2. New Russia
      New Russia 12 October 2013 20: 50
      +1
      The swamp in your head) Good luck
      1. Very old
        Very old 12 October 2013 21: 09
        +3
        HOORAY! I even found like-minded people. Here is a military site
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 12 October 2013 21: 16
          0
          I don’t go into military topics, I’m here to find worthy debaters, I became bored on the Tape, it’s a pity you don’t pull a smart debater) And I have a lot of like-minded people, especially in real life)
          1. Very old
            Very old 12 October 2013 21: 37
            0
            Dummy, here is not fun. Go not TNT, al on
          2. New Russia
            New Russia 12 October 2013 21: 40
            -3
            So I'm usually serious) It's just funny on this thread)
          3. Very old
            Very old 12 October 2013 22: 17
            0
            So be it, I will say in PM.
          4. aksakal
            aksakal 13 October 2013 00: 29
            +3
            Quote: New Russia
            So I'm usually serious) It's just funny on this thread)
            - Tell me, do you like the whole man to be white, like it? Or is it permissible to be red in other places? And where is it permissible for him to be red? There are simply places where the colors of people do not differ much, I wanted to offer ...
          5. Very old
            Very old 14 October 2013 18: 34
            0
            He tried to give her a personal figurine, she blocked me. Why doesn’t she want an honest conversation? Everyone knows how to bark from under the gates
    3. Botanologist
      Botanologist 13 October 2013 00: 11
      +5
      Quote: New Russia
      I'm here to find worthy debaters


      I didn’t notice that you know how to argue.

      Quote: New Russia
      And I have a lot of like-minded people, especially in real life)


      I noticed on Sakharov. 500 man.
    4. New Russia
      New Russia 13 October 2013 01: 06
      +3
      "I noticed Sakharov. About 500 people." Sakharov, where is it?) And, belolentochniki? Well, well) 20 people with whom I communicate) In general, the majority of the population of Russia wants change)

      "I didn't notice that you know how to argue." Judging by the fact that, apart from nit-picking about age and gender, such as you, I have nothing to say very well) And I'm also an agent of the State Department) But this is absolutely stubborn ...
    5. Botanologist
      Botanologist 13 October 2013 12: 33
      +2
      Quote: New Russia
      Judging by the fact that in addition to nit-picking for age and gender, such as you, there’s nothing I can answer perfectly


      I did not find fault with the floor, nor with age. There is no need to distort and justify mental limitation by some nit-picking.
      Essentially answer. But you didn’t answer a single question request . Some drooling and snot. How to argue with you?
    6. Normal
      Normal 13 October 2013 13: 23
      +4
      Quote: Botanologist
      I did not find fault with the floor, nor with age.

      Constantly:
      Quote: Botanologist
      She is a Nazi.Young not smart, but nazi. Do not be surprised.

      Further I will not delve into your rudeness. Anyone who is interested in this will find you quite a few such statements.
      constantly lying and twisting, being rude and emphasizing the age and supposedly not high mental abilities of the opponent. One of your favorite "arguments":
      Quote: Botanologist
      Just drooling and snot.

      negative
    7. Botanologist
      Botanologist 13 October 2013 14: 02
      +2
      Quote: Normal
      constantly lying and distorting, rude and focus on the age and supposedly not high mental abilities of the opponent.


      Nazi young ... What do you call nit-picking by age? If I wrote an old Nazi - is it also age? Do not give out wishful thinking.

      About low mental abilities - I emphasize. But if a person is essentially unable to answer a single question, and the only argument - "geeks from Asia" - this is an indicator of mental abilities. For mental ability (intelligence) is the ability of an individual to make logical chains. The better the logic, the longer the logical chain. Now read the posts of your Nazi client. 3-word sentences, some emotions and ratings. The brain doesn't turn on at all. And what, you undertake to prove that she has a lot of intelligence?
      I will listen with pleasure, start lol

      Quote: Normal
      One of your favorite "arguments":


      belay What do you call posts of your client? Crystal mind and revelation of thought?
      You, my friend, if you decide to defend her - essentially let's. And to push that the girl needs to be respected, and to support the youth is not a discussion. This is a lisp about which I have already written to you.
    8. New Russia
      New Russia 13 October 2013 14: 32
      +3
      "But if a person is essentially unable to answer a single question" From your post I conclude that you do not know how to read this time. You do not know how to listen to this 2. You have a high opinion of yourself, but this is not supported by anything 3. When I read your posts and people like you, it only causes a smile) Such as you have never answered me in essence, but only run into some kind of nonsense ... If you like thinking you're smart, you can think of it as fun)
    9. Botanologist
      Botanologist 13 October 2013 18: 42
      0
      Quote: New Russia
      Such as you have never answered me in essence, but only rest against some kind of nonsense.


      The answer essentially means a discussion. First you answer me essentially those questions from which you diligently hide.
      I recall:
      1. How do you separate patriots from non-patriots?
      2. For example, in your version, Magomed Talboev is a patriot or one of the black ones you are fighting with?
      3. Once you start thinking about economics, take the trouble to answer at least such a simple question, how are you going to nationalize everything that is "unpatriotic." And at the same time - who will conduct?
      4. Well, and yet it’s very interesting what are you going to do with Chechnya and Dagestan? There are two possible answers, as I understand it, but it’s interesting to hear your version.

      So let's debate. Only without lamentations and links to the blogs of your parthenossos, let's get it in plain text.
    10. T80UM1
      T80UM1 16 October 2013 15: 25
      0
      I will answer, how NOT a white person, can I?
      1. Patriot - in their opinion, a white man, straight, intolerant, respects Hitler, hates all people of color, preferably ready to lynch them in public
      2. Magomed, etc. the enemy right away, by name.
      3. The nationalization of all non-Slavs. Slavs-oligarchs let them continue to fatten
      4. To genocide and colonize the territory of the Slavs.
      Look like that's it. Their program, I can’t say whether or not the time will tell, is correct.
  • Very old
    Very old 14 October 2013 18: 38
    0
    But no way. I pass by. Without looking back. Botanologist, do not waste yourself in all sorts of
  • Normal
    Normal 13 October 2013 01: 48
    0
    Quote: Botanologist
    I noticed on Sakharov. 500 man.

    Fear has big eyes. Ek scared you ... Once in ten
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 13 October 2013 12: 36
    +3
    Quote: Normal
    Ek scared you ... Once in ten


    Three columns walked, which were then divided. If you read on the TV screen - this is not a reason to comment on the situation. Learn the topic first.
  • Normal
    Normal 13 October 2013 13: 06
    +1
    Quote: Botanologist
    Three columns went by

    Lies. The column of nationalists was one and did not divide. On the "TV screen" you count novels, and I was there and you know that.
    Quote: Botanologist
    Learn the topic first.

    Once again: than the gossips to consider ....
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 13 October 2013 18: 34
    -1
    Quote: Normal
    Lies. The column of nationalists was one and did not share.


    And you do not hold Anpilovtsev (Labor Russia) for people? crying . Not good. And what about Baburintsev (ROS)? Or for you Natsik-only Demushkinskie? Do not put yourself in the first place like that. And then Vasiliev and Terekhov will be offended.

    Quote: Normal
    than kumushki consider ....


    Yes, I did not work.
  • Normal
    Normal 13 October 2013 20: 01
    +1
    Quote: Botanologist
    A Anpilovtsev (Labor Russia)

    ....
    Quote: Botanologist
    And what about Baburintsev (ROS)?

    ....
    Quote: Botanologist
    Or for you Natsik-only Demushkinskie?

    This is the confirmation of my statement that for pro-government wages, all protesters against the policy of the authorities are Natsik.
    When was it Anpilovtsy (Labor Russia - an extreme left communist and therefore internationalist organization) were nationalists? Your lack of competence is overwhelming and reassuring. If such "specialists" are on guard of the regime, then it won't be long for it.
    Quote: Botanologist
    Yes, I did not work.

    Here I agree with you. You - did not work ... NEVER.
  • bask
    bask 13 October 2013 20: 15
    +1
    Quote: Normal
    Here I agree with you. You - did not work ... NEVER.

    Good evening Vladimir.
    Quote: Normal
    and pro-government on the salary, all Russians are Nazis

    Here with this your statement, I do not agree.
    New Russia and you even called Natsik. Immediately a fascist.
    But, you are right who does not work now, does not plow for the guarantor and for internationalism. We paid with blood for this infection in Chechnya.
    And now the blood of non-wine Russians is being spilled) in Moscow in Birilev, some kind of beast stabbed the Russian guy).
    The good news is that the younger generation is free from this infection (intentionalism.)
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 13 October 2013 20: 53
    +2
    Quote: bask
    But, you are right who does not work now, does not plow for the guarantor and for internationalism.


    If I understood correctly, then those people who do not share your views are loafers? A good way to find like-minded people. "Let's go beat the dagos!" - "Let's go to!" - "Ours, from workers and peasants!"

    What are you guys?
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 13 October 2013 21: 10
    +3
    Quote: Botanologist
    Let's go beat the Dag! "-" Let's go! "-" Ours, from the workers and peasants! "
  • Normal
    Normal 13 October 2013 23: 13
    +1
    Quote: Yarosvet

    Greetings, Light of the sun!
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 14 October 2013 09: 43
    0
    Quote: Normal

    hi
  • bask
    bask 13 October 2013 21: 29
    +2
    Quote: Botanologist

    If I understand correctly, are those people who do not share your views - idlers? A good way to find like-minded people. "Let's go beat the dagos!" - "Come on

    What are my views?
    Every nation has the right to self-defense.
    We do not attack, we only defend ourselves (we are just starting to try).
    Read my post (Russian young guy was killed in Bir.levo) some animal killed.
    This news does not bother you.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 13 October 2013 21: 42
    +2
    Quote: bask
    Every nation has the right to self-defense.


    I never argued with that. Moreover - I agree on everything.

    Quote: bask
    Read my post (Russian young guy was killed in Birblevo) some kind of animal killed.
    You, this news does not root, or Wahhabi?


    This news infuriates me. And I believe that it is high time to tighten both the attitude towards visitors and generally some aspects of our policy. Starting from consultations at the entrance to Russia, ending with sanctions on all relatives who cover their sons.

    But I clashed with Normal and New Russia for another reason. They don’t understand that the level of their decisions is the intramural brawls of immature teenagers. I am very familiar with all their party, for years 7 worked with them. Do not think that as an employee, I am a political strategist, was on their side. So, with these, sorry, de-bills, there’s nothing to talk about. Maxim, for which they have enough brains - do not zykat before the police (and even not all). And when you tell them that you need to unite, develop a program, do the organizing, work with people, they don’t even understand at all.
    Yes, their mother, are they going to death in cellars and garbage dumps to sit? They are generally not capable of constructive conversation (I’m not even talking about actions).

    The second point - their only scenario of working with any non-Russians is a fist and humiliation. Russian is always, therefore, right, and not Russian - let's see how it will behave. This is a very bad idea. This is just the way to keep Moscow and its environs, and everything else will crumble into 100 pieces. But, unfortunately, this cannot be explained to them.
    Something like that.
  • Normal
    Normal 13 October 2013 23: 45
    +2
    Quote: Botanologist
    But I clashed with Normal and New Russia for another reason. They don’t understand that the level of their decisions is the intramural brawls of immature teenagers. I am very well acquainted with all their party, about 7 years worked with them.

    Yes, it’s too late to breed political technology. They are already cutting us in our house. They cut people on a national basis, and we are afraid to realize this thanks to your tireless efforts.
    Quote: Botanologist
    The second point - their only scenario of working with any non-Russians is a fist and humiliation. Russian is always, therefore, right, and not Russian - let's see how it will behave. This is a very bad idea.

    You pass ... the situation. It is not Russians who rush at people for a sidelong glance or remark. But you ascribe "fist and humiliation" precisely and deliberately only to Russians. This Russian is being killed on their land and you blame those who are ready to oppose this in Nazism. You objectively betray our youth in order to live for several more years in the illusion of peace, paying tribute with money and blood to the Caucasus, jobs and Russian girls from Central Asia. You are destroying any attempts to self-organize the Russian youth up to harmless "Russian jogging". You defeatists and traitors, you think that's enough for your lifetime. And young people don't think so.
    We stupidly look and understand where the internationalists are liberals, and where the nationalist with whom there is nothing to talk about.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 13 October 2013 21: 09
    +4
    Quote: bask
    The good news is that the younger generation is free from this infection (intentionalism.)

    Welcome.

    I apologize for getting in, but the contagion is not internationalism, but cosmopolitanism.
  • bask
    bask 13 October 2013 21: 22
    +2
    Quote: Yarosvet
    the feeling that I fit in, but the contagion is not internationalism, but cosmopolitanism.

    Greetings to Yarosvet.
    Maybe you are right.
    But the legs of this infection grow, from one place.
    Terms and names are only different.
    For me it’s Satan and his henchmen (I can’t write a ban)
    Who prays the green snake in the world.
    For them, human life, something is the main profit.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 13 October 2013 21: 28
    +1
    Quote: bask
    Who prays the green snake in the world.
    For them, human life, something is the main profit.

    A sensitive topic ...

    The serpent was the banner of Moses
  • bask
    bask 13 October 2013 21: 40
    +2
    Quote: Yarosvet
    A sensitive issue ... The Serpent was the banner of Moses

    Yarosvet, who knows exactly who and who was.
    Do not like snakes, let's call a drenched green rat.
    The main essence of the project, these wise men.
    From the Russian nation, make vanes not remembering kinship, while destroying more. The rest in biorobots.
    This is real fascism.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 14 October 2013 09: 40
    +1
    Quote: bask
    The main essence of the project, these wise men.
    This is real fascism.

    Yes - this is fascism, but not only the goal is important, but also the methods.

    And methods are just a sensitive topic. hi
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 13 October 2013 21: 46
    -3
    Quote: Yarosvet
    the contagion is not internationalism, but cosmopolitanism.


    Another healer drew. Now we climb into the world conspiracy and the historical essence of the Masonic movement wassat
  • bask
    bask 13 October 2013 21: 56
    +2
    Quote: Botanologist

    Another healer drew. Now we climb into the world conspiracy and the historical essence of the Masonic movement

    Nerd, and you do not Wahhabi hour. am
    Something you post Wahhabi slogans?
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 13 October 2013 22: 15
    0
    Quote: bask
    Something you post Wahhabi slogans?


    I’ve been on the site a long time ago, maybe I met my slogans. They are not Wahhabi.

    As for the posts, if you do not like them - this is not a reason for me to be silent, is it? You can zaminushit, here it is accepted.
    But if you think that your opinion is exclusively for the good of Russia, and mine is to the detriment, then explain yourself. I have done a lot of useful things in my life, and I do not need to be taught how to think and why I should do something.
    But I have my own values. Perhaps they do not match yours. They certainly do not coincide with the values ​​of Normal and New Russia. And what, you measured them and expressed your opinion about me? I doubt it.
  • bask
    bask 13 October 2013 22: 36
    +6
    Quote: Botanologist
    But I have my own values. Perhaps they do not match yours. They certainly do not coincide with the values ​​of Normal and New Russia. And what, you measured them and expressed your opinion about me? I doubt it.

    I live where many people have succumbed to this ideology.
    And not only Caucasians, many Russian Tatars and other nationalities.
    They make good speeches, but THE EYES ARE HOW AS THE DEAD.
    An empty zombie head, not humans.
    And your some posts reminded me of their speech.
    If wrong hi
    The situation in the country is already very tense. Although to kill us, the law should protect us, but it does not protect us.
    I already lived it when Russians as ,, rams ”were cut in the yards in Grozny in 92-95, I personally saw.
    And I do not want this to be repeated on an all-Russian scale.
    I am a person who survived the genocide. And I will always be lucky in my statements on this issue.
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 13 October 2013 22: 41
    +5
    Quote: bask
    And I will always be lucky in my statements on this issue.
    Comrade, do not get excited. You get to the wrong buttons on the keyboard ... drinks Remember: "Revenge is the dish that is served cold" (c) wink
  • bask
    bask 13 October 2013 23: 02
    +4
    Quote: Misantrop
    amrad, don't get excited. In the heat of the moment, you hit the wrong buttons on the keyboard ... Remember: "Revenge is the dish that is served cold" (with

    Maybe you are right Misatrop, but the situation in the international ... issues, clearly out of control of the authorities.
    A whole generation of Dagestanis has grown up, with Wahhabi ideology. Those who fiercely hate everything Orthodox, everything Russian.
    And this is a threat, the Russian scale.
    I really would not like the Syrian scenario to be repeated here, only on a more bloody scale.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 13 October 2013 23: 03
    +2
    Quote: bask
    I live where many people have succumbed to this ideology.


    This is another little topic. You speak ABOUT THEM, and I - ABOUT US. We must fight Wahhabism, Saudis, Qatari scoundrels, Sunnis - but for this we must not grow beards and corrode people. We are not dogs, are we?

    Quote: bask
    And your some posts reminded me of their speech.


    Probably because they politely wrap up the meanness and betrayal, and I just try to be polite to the interlocutor because my parents brought up that. It does not always work out, of course, especially with Normal and New Russia, but I do not pretend to be sophisticated and courteous.


    Quote: bask
    The situation in the country is already very tense. Although to kill us, the law should protect us, but it does not protect us.


    The trouble is that nationalists (and Russian, not Russian, this is a great difference) must become a political force. I worked with them for a long time, tried to hold them in deputies, in mayors. Instead, they decided it was easier to peep on the streets. It's easier, no need to think like that. So emotions are easier to throw out. And he stuffed a chock face, sat down for five years - already a great hero!
    And I see neither heroism in this, nor valor. No value. You become a deputy, make normal amendments to the Criminal Code and the agro-industrial complex, and the benefits will be incommensurable for the whole country. But this is difficult, you need to think, you need to do something seriously, you need to be able to negotiate. Does not work. It's easier to sit down.

    Quote: bask
    I am a man who survived the genocide. And I will always be lucky in my statements on this issue.


    I understand you well. A girl who ran away from Grozny worked for me. Russian girl. I heard what it is, even though I personally have not been there. He was in other places, not more fun than Grozny.

    But we, close in ideology, choose completely different paths. New Russia writes - all black to the nail. Normal something proves to me what a unique national patriot he is (I still don’t understand which group he is from, but it’s not important). And the problem is wider - HOW? HOW are they going to make the country safe for people? I have not seen that. What fantasy is enough - all to the fingernail. So?
    Therefore, we conduct bad conversations, on emotions, but these conversations, I hope, will bring us closer to a simple thing - we will move on to discuss how exactly we will save the country. And I personally am not interested in how many faces the Normal has in time for guest workers. This is complete nonsense. I am wondering how quickly we change the government and laws to normal. But with such approaches as they have, we will never wait for this.
    hi
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 13 October 2013 23: 29
    +6
    I read all this, you are so juggling with words and concepts, it seems like everything is beautiful and file-dersty, but there is a feeling that you are living on another planet.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 13 October 2013 23: 39
    0
    Quote: Alex 241
    you juggle with words and concepts


    Which ones? That someone is looking for an excuse and an opportunity to punish the "blacks", and I am talking about the need to talk about ways to normalize the situation in the country? You call this concept juggling? Then let's decide what you like best - to organize a war on the streets or, in accordance with normal laws, make the police work normally? What prospects in general?

    Quote: Alex 241
    I read it all

    So if you read everything, do you really like the statement of New Russia that everyone ... the police are not very good people, and only thieves have honor, conscience, and dignity? Normal concepts. Very promising.
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 13 October 2013 23: 47
    +5
    Quote: Botanologist
    street war
    Read the statistics she is already on.
    Quote: Botanologist
    the police are not very good people,
    This structure is collapsed by all previous reforms.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 13 October 2013 23: 51
    0
    Quote: Alex 241
    Read the statistics she is already on.


    It has been going for a long time, only recently it has come to Moscow, so a howl has risen.

    Quote: Alex 241
    This structure is collapsed by all previous reforms.


    We have all the structures collapsed by reform. However, this is no reason to dissolve the police and run to the thieves in law.
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 14 October 2013 00: 00
    +3
    I’ll give you an example from my life: Tajiks rent an apartment above me, I’m about 30 people, used to bake pies and sell on the market, recently the situation has changed, a sporty look, arrogant and unceremonious pitching, the apartment has a queue of drug addicts and others charms, the entrance was cleaned on our own. After a few days, the Ministry of Internal Affairs officers arrived and packed them, and that ...... In the morning they were already there. I’ll continue with my parents in the house, the gypsies were selling drugs, one family wrote a statement to the police department, in the morning the assault FSKN, gypsy pr nyali and released a day later, the family applicants through nekolko days vyrezali.I where to go to the poor peasants?
  • svp67
    svp67 14 October 2013 00: 14
    +5
    Quote: Alex 241
    I'll give you an example from life:

    Alexander hi
    It seems that our government does not see that it is no longer power in full ... Our cities are no longer completely ours, the "newcomers" already have their own "state structures and infrastructure" - the government, the security service, the police, the labor exchange , transport, housing stock and every year an increasing number of young, in the most active age of men, who, by hook or by crook, begin to transport their wives and parents here. In the morning, moving around the city and meeting people rushing to work, you catch yourself thinking that you are living not in the center of the Urals, but in some Central Asian city ... We are losing our "living space", and voluntarily, but this is can't go on. And as soon as the "aliens" began to establish "their own rules of life" for us, the aborigines, it began to cause indignation. And if the "people's servants" now do not put things in order with the migrants, then the "master people" will do it themselves.
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 14 October 2013 00: 17
    +5
    Hi Seryozha, God forbid if people of our age and our experience go out into the street!
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 14 October 2013 03: 04
    +3
    Quote: Alex 241
    if people of our age, and with our experience, go out into the street!


    Sasha! Lesha! Hi drinks People with our experience will not go outside and will occupy key positions and establish communication ... bully
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 14 October 2013 03: 28
    +2
    Hi Ruslan! Oh, today the article will be published on the site about the events in B. Here there will be a sea of ​​positive, page 3 ...
    Quote: Ruslan67
    will take key positions will establish a connection ...
    I have in Samara t and x about bullyWe are preparing for the World Cup on football --- we decide where to build a new stadium. Felts at the place of the riverport, toli to take the radio center to the damn grandmother wassat
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 14 October 2013 03: 44
    +2
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    I have in Samara r & x about bullyK World Cup on football preparing --- decide where to build a new stadium

    In St. Petersburg, if we say about the new stadium for the World Cup, then you don’t need any Caucasians, so everything will be blown to the dog’s abenas wassat
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 14 October 2013 03: 48
    +1
    Well, you people are Rich, you can afford wassat And so, merchants request
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 14 October 2013 03: 51
    +4
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    can you afford

    As much as they could, But the matter has already gone so far that if the next contractor screwed up or he was hanged or Poltavchenko, there is a limit to everything
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 14 October 2013 03: 59
    +1
    Yes, it’s not solid to drive the ball in the open field. And I didn’t know that it was such a sore subject for the northern capital. So, the news arrived. And even Boyarsky is powerless, he knows the mountain for Zenit. Well, there are things stronger than D Artagnan. Nothing Ruslan, let’s break through
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 14 October 2013 04: 04
    +3
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    .And I didn’t know that this was such a sore subject for the northern capital. So, the news reached. And even Boyarsky is powerless, he knows the mountain beyond Xen

    You can’t even imagine how much I went to the stadium from Kirova from early childhood. Imagine a bowl in the hill for 80 thousand spectators. They promised to build a new one according to the world level - they will be 10 years old and in the end it will be something like 60 thousand. At the same time, the look of Victory Park has changed as if the stadium not provided there at all. And how should we look at it?
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 14 October 2013 04: 23
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    how should we look at it?
    Well, it's not to arrange subbotniks, as a matter of fact. He's a mess everywhere. Here's Poltavchenko ... And they sent us a Cossack by the name of Merkushkin. Previously, he ruled Mordovia. Laughter and tears, and that's all. He started with the Soviets, a grated roll, but they will not miss their own. The local "elite" is not very happy with them, but ordinary people, albeit dumb, but purple by and large. They have their own bugs and cockroaches in the form of housing and communal services and all kinds of traffic jams. 4 years ago, the main highway was overhauled (Moscow highway), now they are again allocating lards for reconstruction fellow 5 years they’ve been building one metro station, they’ve stopped right now, the builders say: Give me the money, it’s over. Anecdote, in a word.
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 14 October 2013 00: 17
    +2
    Quote: Alex 241
    FSKN
    Sasha, the devil is in the details. By control, the service.
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 14 October 2013 00: 20
    +2
    Hi Lesh. The prefixes of LLC are not enough.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 14 October 2013 00: 18
    0
    Quote: Alex 241
    I'll give you an example from life:


    Yes, and I will give you such examples as you want. I can and the opposite, to discharge.
    One young Chechen filled a billboard in the street with an elderly Russian man. Well, the guard, Black got it, it's time to form a people's militia. The only joke is that this elderly Russian is a very famous human rights activist who, during the first Chechen one, actively helped his idol Kovalev to hand over our soldiers to the militants.
    This is not an indicator, of course, I'm talking about something else - there is enough of everyone both among the national "guests" and among the Russians.

    And about the lawlessness that you write about - there is no simple and good answer. In life, unfortunately, there are no simple and good answers. And I dream no less than yours that I walk the streets, and the arrogant Azerbaijanis do not bull, but quietly go about their business and do not shine, never anywhere else.
    Is it possible? I think it's possible. How to do it? I think it won't work out quickly, and it just won't work out either. We will have to change the migration policy and change the Criminal Code, and allow citizens to self-defense in a wider range than the current Criminal Code gives, and much more to do. But I am sure that the tactics that the nationalists have come to today, including their ideology, will not help. I wrote that I worked a lot with them - it's true. I tried very hard, but, unfortunately, they have only "b" after "a", and nothing else.
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 14 October 2013 00: 23
    +1
    I understand everything that you told me with your brain, but not with your heart, any spring has a compression limit, and you know about it, as well as the fact that our power is a complete impotence in this matter.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 14 October 2013 00: 39
    +1
    Quote: Alex 241
    I understand everything that you told me with your brain, but not with your heart, any spring has a compression limit, and you know about it, as well as the fact that our power is a complete impotence in this matter.


    + I will not be a heart. Firstly, I have some kind of professional deformation, I try to turn off emotions, and secondly because, unfortunately in my work, the emotionally simple way often leads to problems for ordinary people. I do not want young New Russia to be closed for inciting ethnic hatred. I don’t want Normal, even though he sprinkles poison on me, to get under the razdatka somewhere in the gateway. They must work to become politicians, if they want to influence something, and enforce normal laws. Only when we bring into the power of trained and honest people will we live in peace.
    And what happened on the branch? Beat the Yids - save Russia? Many Russia saved these saviors?
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 14 October 2013 00: 50
    0
    Quote: Botanologist
    ? Bay
    I will simply express my opinion: if this affects me or my family and loved ones, I will go to the end, without waiting for any political decisions.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 14 October 2013 01: 16
    0
    Quote: Alex 241
    if it touches me or my family and loved ones, I will go to the end, without waiting for any political decisions.


    So do I. And I will not stand on ceremony. But we are discussing the principles of national politics, aren't we? And this is a bit different.
  • Normal
    Normal 14 October 2013 01: 29
    +2
    Quote: Botanologist
    The trouble is that nationalists (and Russian, not Russian, this is a great difference) must become a political force. I worked with them for a long time, tried to hold them in deputies, in mayors. Instead, they decided it was easier to peep on the streets. It's easier, no need to think like that. So emotions are easier to throw out. And he stuffed a chock face, sat down for five years - already a great hero!
    And I see neither heroism in this, nor valor. No value. You become a deputy, make normal amendments to the Criminal Code and the agro-industrial complex, and the benefits will be incommensurable for the whole country. But this is difficult, you need to think, you need to do something seriously, you need to be able to negotiate. Does not work. It's easier to sit down.

    This is because they do not believe you. Have you tried to hold nationalists in power? It’s funny ... I would also think that I was simply bred and recruited, in the worst case, bought and built into a system in which I would be forced to work according to the rules of this system, which means to betray my beliefs and ideals.
    Quote: Botanologist
    I don’t want Normal, even though he sprinkles poison on me, to get under the razdatka somewhere in the gateway.

    Well, first of all, you are drooling in the direction of New Russia, but as for me, you will not wait. I could not stand and I will not wait for a blow.
    Quote: Botanologist
    Then let's decide what you like best - to organize a war on the streets or to make the police work normally in accordance with normal laws?

    You had enough time to get the police to work in accordance with the laws. Instead, you fought any attempts by the Russians to organize themselves beyond your control. And the Caucasians were organized initially and you won’t be able to counter their raiding tactics with the help of the police. Only an adequate response from Russian street youth together with the police. But the police are not on the Russian side. You must understand that war on the streets is already going on and political war cannot win a real war.
    Quote: Botanologist
    Normal something proves to me what a unique national patriot he is (I still don’t understand which group he is from, but it’s not important).
    lol No, you definitely need to be driven out of service. I'm not from a gang. Your trouble is that for you a normal person with an awareness of his nationality is already some kind of unique national patriot. Sad ...
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 14 October 2013 00: 10
    +2
    Quote: Botanologist
    in accordance with normal laws to make the police work fine?
    It also seems to me, without hysterics, that the migration service, the police and the local authorities condone business employers, and also know how to "negotiate" with ethnic diasporas. This is how Corruption affects Russians not only by increasing the cost of life, but also by depriving it, as in Biryulevo .Only you cannot give me an answer,as make the police work normally. Will we create another commission, or will we stir up the "Vietnamese raids-2"? This is not an option, PR does not work anymore. And without real political competition, the matter will not move. The field is cleaned up and is bearing fruit. Alas
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 14 October 2013 00: 27
    +1
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    Only you will not be able to give me an answer on how to make the police work normally. Will we create another commission or will we stir up "Vietnamese raids-2"? No way, PR does not work anymore. And without real political competition, the matter will not move


    So I’m talking about this and that the nationalists need to really unite and go into politics. I already wrote 10 posts about this. But it’s easier for them to say what kind of liberal I am, such an agent of the authorities, and I dream of laying them down. I have sad impressions about our nationalists. Would learn from Marie Le Pen how to work.

    And as for the rest - I agree. We will chew on our reforms for a long time, but I do not see any other way than a policy change. And for this you need to engage in politics.
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 14 October 2013 00: 31
    +2
    Quote: Botanologist
    go into politics.

    A lot of temptations, you have to live by the laws of the pack, as in that joke: I want a white Mercedes, a blonde with a third number and a cottage on the ruble is the first .............
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 14 October 2013 01: 19
    +2
    Quote: Alex 241
    A lot of temptations, you have to live by the laws of the pack


    There are not as many temptations as it seems. And now it's getting smaller. Still, a little loop is thrown over the thick necks of officials.

    And about the laws of the pack - everyone’s business. I know people who went into politics to sell more expensive, and I know the opposite examples. This is a personal decision.
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 14 October 2013 00: 45
    +2
    Quote: Botanologist
    really unite and go into politics.
    I doubt that they will be able to unite, because they have such different platforms. It is more likely that another Duma dwarf will emerge. And the fight against corruption, which causes these spontaneous outbursts of discontent, is primarily the suppression of economic flows of illicit enrichment, through the work of regulatory bodies and transfer " cases "to an impartial court. Although a million wonderful laws will be adopted, but in my city with a population of over one million they will not work. They all" know "each other and bring them where they need to be. They have dirt on each other and a joint business, so it will shoot loudly, and it will remain a swamp-swamp.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 14 October 2013 01: 23
    0
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    I doubt that they can unite, because they have such different platforms


    My experience says the same thing. They cannot agree at all.
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    Although a million wonderful laws will be adopted, they will not work in my million-plus city. They all "know" each other and bring them where they need to be. They have dirt on each other and a joint business, so it will shoot loudly, and it will remain a swamp-swamp


    Who knows ... I was a witness when at the same time I changed the prosecutor, SK, beg. the police. And from the city hall and the regional administration they simply drove buses for landing. Very quickly, everything was greatly simplified and relieved. You just have to want it.
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 14 October 2013 01: 36
    +3
    Quote: Botanologist
    I was a witness when at the same time I changed the prosecutor, SK, beg. the police. And from the city hall and the regional administration they simply drove buses for landing. Very quickly, everything was greatly simplified and relieved. You just have to want it.
    If you tell me where it was, specifically, I will be grateful
  • Mature naturalist
    Mature naturalist 14 October 2013 01: 56
    +3
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    If you tell me where it was, specifically, I will be grateful

    And when was that?
    I will also be grateful ...
  • Normal
    Normal 13 October 2013 23: 55
    +1
    Quote: Botanologist
    I’ve done a lot of useful things in my life,

    The results of your utility now in Biryulyovo are very visual.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 14 October 2013 00: 04
    +2
    Quote: Normal
    The results of your utility now in Biryulyovo are very visual.


    And I also brought Gorbachev to power bully

    I wrote to you already - no need to come up with arguments for me and then refute them with a cunning look. Firstly, because it is a kindergarten, and secondly, because it doesn’t help you advance in a dispute towards any positions. We hung on what exactly to do, and how, right? So let's talk about it. And who has a wider face - I have already clarified that, the argument is very intelligent and will come in handy everywhere.
  • Normal
    Normal 14 October 2013 01: 46
    +2
    Quote: Botanologist
    We hung on what exactly to do, and how, right?


    Well, yes, you suggest going into politics, forcing the police and other and other and other to work. But the trouble is - all this does not work. Only talk and companionship. The authorities do not want to change and everything will be as before, if not worse.
    It turns out that the explosion is not inevitable and this is a matter of time. That is why I am not on the side of the government, but on the side of the youth who are now fighting with the police in Biryulyovo.
    I know that power on my side in the event of a conflict with the Caucasians will be unlikely. So why should I give up my safety and the peace of my family for the sake of the mythical friendship of nations? I know that there is no friendship on the part of Caucasians and Asians for Russians.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 14 October 2013 02: 23
    +2
    Quote: Normal
    I then know that power on my side in the event of a conflict with the Caucasians will be unlikely.

    Power should be, not on your or someone else's side, but on the side of the law.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 14 October 2013 01: 53
    0
    Quote: Normal
    The results of your utility now in Biryulyovo are very visual.

    Shops bomb, this probably also applies to patriotism ...
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 14 October 2013 02: 00
    +2
    With the shops, everything is not so obvious either. After the first calls to go on the rampage and the start of the pogrom, 30 minutes passed, and the police, upon arrival at the pogrom place, only 15 minutes later started moving out of the buses to the store.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 14 October 2013 02: 14
    +1
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    After the first calls to go smash

    So explain how in this case, supposedly, nationalism differs from the banal gop stop?
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 14 October 2013 03: 09
    +2
    These young guys, our people after all, live in an unprincipled society. There were pathetic attempts by the state to organize youth in movements like "Nashi", but where are they now? They have sunk into oblivion together with Mr. Surkov, the main Kremlin ideologist. He is now This issue is not dealt with, but it is not knocked out of the Kremlin deck. So I went to Ukraine. And young people, and older people, have nowhere to go and they have nowhere to go. All that remains is to live here and respond to the challenges of life. The most acute problem is the influx of emigrants. Literally all politicians have an opinion on this issue, even Mr. Putin has repeatedly spoken out on this matter. But people then listen to them and go out into the street, and there such cases as in B. cause them a state of sharp irritation and indignation. And all these parties and movements, who would need them if the element of everyday nationalism, self-determination and religious affiliation did not work in ordinary people. I think it will be stronger than class hatred. Remember Pugachev. There were no arrests politicians activists, because they were not. The townspeople went out into the street, in ordinary townspeople, it turned out there is a certain discontent. What were their demands to the authorities: they swore at the mayor and police officers, for (well, it is clear why). Today I looked at Biryulyovo the same thing ... But there is a small town, I managed to extinguish it. And here the capital, here, the parties, organized fans and such incidents naturally pass sharper. All politics is being done in this city. Unfortunately, the actions of our government are predictable. To stabilize the situation. And where is it going to flare up now? And I do not approve of the pogroms, but if it happened on my street, I would think like any normal person. There is no idea (Sochi is not an idea) and the local authorities are engaged in destructive activities.
  • Normal
    Normal 14 October 2013 02: 02
    0
    Quote: Russ69
    Shops bomb, this probably also applies to patriotism ...

    If the gaster working in a store owned by an Azerbaijani and covered by Chechens at least try to do something for my daughter, I will not bomb the store, I will burn it along with the gaster and the owner. Is my position on shopping and patriotism clear?
  • Russ69
    Russ69 14 October 2013 02: 16
    +1
    Quote: Normal
    If the gaster working in a store owned by an Azerbaijani and covered by Chechens at least try to do something for my daughter, I will not bomb the store, I will burn it along with the gaster and the owner.

    Now, if, the owner of this store, was caught on the crime described by you, then I can still understand ...
    In this situation, ordinary robbery, under a plausible pretext.
  • Normal
    Normal 14 October 2013 02: 30
    +2
    Quote: Russ69
    In this situation, ordinary robbery,

    Article 162. Robbery

    [Criminal Code of the Russian Federation] [Chapter 21] [Article 162]
    1. Robbery, that is, an attack aimed at stealing someone else's property, committed with the use of violence dangerous to life or health, or the threat of such violence -

    There is no theft of other people's property - there is no robbery.
    Quote: Russ69
    Now, if, the owner of this store, was caught on a crime described by you,

    Even if it happened. He either buys off during the investigation and, when released on a non-departure basis, hides in his homeland. Or it is bought off in court and receives a minimum, or even a suspended sentence. Like the options?
  • Russ69
    Russ69 14 October 2013 02: 45
    0
    Quote: Normal
    There is no theft of other people's property - there is no robbery.

    Yes, what difference does robbery not robbery. What is the right to climb somewhere and destroy other people's property and how are these pogromists better than those against whom they allegedly oppose ..
    Or it is bought off in court and receives a minimum, if not conditional term

    That's when this happens, God forbid, then we'll talk. And making decisions in advance is dangerous stupidity.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 14 October 2013 09: 41
    +1
    Quote: Botanologist
    Now we climb into the world conspiracy and the historical essence of the Masonic movement

    Climb - who's stopping? smile
  • Normal
    Normal 13 October 2013 23: 09
    +2
    Quote: bask
    Good evening Vladimir.

    Wow, Andrey!
    This I understand - friend! Not in a flood, but in a fight. Thanks for pulling up and harnessing. drinks
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 13 October 2013 20: 15
    0
    Quote: Normal
    When were the Anpilovites (Labor Russia a far-left communist and hence internationalist organization) nationalists?


    Would go to the congress in the House of Journalist - would know.

    Quote: Normal
    This is the confirmation of my statement that for pro-government salaries, all protesters against the policy of power are Natsik


    And at the same time, confirmation of my assertion that for any nationalist another group is generally Chmyri, with whom he will not sit on the same field .... Mlyn, and you’re still going to say something, how to raise the country crying . At first, we’d deal with ourselves, ideological eccentrics.

    Quote: Normal
    If such "specialists" are on guard of the regime, then it won't be long for it.


    Wait and see how many are left.

    Quote: Normal
    Here I agree with you. You - did not work ... NEVER.


    Counting idiots on the street really never crossed my mind. Actually, I wasn’t even going to, until you rushed to post photos under black, white and yellow. I wrote there above - it's Baburintsy, and you pretend that only your family stood belay . What are you talking about, my friend? Decided to pocket all the glory? Not good, sir ... You can get copper candlesticks from your field mates.
  • Normal
    Normal 13 October 2013 22: 45
    +2
    God sees I did not want to, and held on to the last. But this political strategist from the clan of liberals got it
    Quote: Botanologist
    And you too ... paranormal.

    From now on, you are for me - Bananed. In terms of intelligence and conceit.
    Quote: Botanologist
    Counting idiots on the street really never crossed my mind

    Of course! What for? It is much more convenient to talk with a juvenile moron who has dressed up berets with white shoelaces and pre-processed by the brave riot police in a wagon, in a cozy office. Here, of course, it turns out that he is a complete doctor and a profound conclusion is made that everyone who is against the dominance of Caucasians and Asians is the same. Bravo! Nobel Peace Prize in the cabinet! We have a genius lying around ...
    Quote: Botanologist
    Would go to the congress in the House of Journalist - would know.

    Is it so sour? Better immediately to the Lubyanka. Receive instructions ...
    Quote: Botanologist
    And at the same time, confirmation of my assertion that for any nationalist another group is generally Chmyri, with whom he will not sit on the same field ...

    Another award, please ...
    If you write down all the opponents of power in the nationalists (which you have demonstrated here), then there will probably be those who do not really sit on the same field with each other. But! We look at the picture not in the TV set, but in real life and we see that everyone gathered somehow on the same field and didn’t even grapple, although you really wanted to.
    Oops ... the "spin doctor" is clearly eating his bread for nothing. No, what kind of bread? Bananas!
    Quote: Botanologist
    I wrote there above - it's Baburintsy, and you pretend that only your family stood

    Put the banana aside and read;
    Quote: Normal
    This was so reported to you. As well as about three columns of Natsik in number of 500 people, who later divided and .... evaporated, because in the picture there are no other nationalists, other than those on which I pointed out to you, simply .......
    And I was there myself. Personally. Just to the right of this group. And he found no Babubrin-Mamurin and his supporters there. Specially asked activists. So you need to learn this equipment and not in a comfortable office, but on the street, in the midst of the people. Yes, where are you going, you’re afraid of the Natsiks, and suddenly there .... TESAK !; fearfully...

    You do not touch my family, otherwise you will learn a lot of new and interesting things about yours. A candelabrum (it’s such a candlestick, a copper one ... For general development) they will beat you because you are engaged in cheating here, and there are no candlesticks in the field ... Neither copper, nor any others. But in order to know this, one must leave the political technology office in the field. But this does not occur to you.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 13 October 2013 23: 18
    +1
    Quote: Normal
    But this political strategist from the clan of liberals got it


    You didn’t understand anything at all. I wrote - you are not in the subject, but you are proving something to me where you stood under the flag there.

    I explain:
    A unifying congress of the people's patriotic forces was held at the House of Journalists. There were all who represented national patriots or considered themselves as such. And you to me
    Quote: Normal
    Is it so sour? Better immediately to the Lubyanka. Receive instructions ...
    . Well, at least ask the elders what this is about request .


    Quote: Normal
    You do not touch my family, otherwise you will learn a lot of new and interesting things about yours.


    You are demonstrating the so-called "mirroring". By a simple technique "myself". Simple, but helps in conflict.

    Quote: Normal
    they will beat you because you are engaged in cheating here, but there are no candlesticks in the field.


    Yes, I tried at the very congress ... like DPNI will lead, I will immediately pay. But you don’t know me, do you? I heard a lot of sharpness in the fields and had seen enough. A couple of times and had knives, experience is available. Although ... I would not want to, I am a man of a peaceful profession.

    Quote: Normal
    It is much more convenient to talk with a juvenile moron who has dressed up berets with white shoelaces and pre-processed by the brave riot police in a wagon, in a cozy office.


    Well, what are you ... in the office ... In the Kremlin! I also eat them.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 13 October 2013 23: 37
    +3
    Quote: Botanologist
    You didn’t understand anything at all.

    They will not understand request Mr. Normal has another seasonal exacerbation, I tried to explain something to him, so he brought me in for the third time in an emergency wassat Is it worth the time and nerves? hi
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 13 October 2013 23: 45
    +2
    Quote: Ruslan67
    They will not understand


    Unfortunately, it doesn’t really reach yet. request

    Quote: Ruslan67
    Mr. Normal has another seasonal exacerbation


    Nick is so ... peculiar. I'm not a psychologist, but this nickname can somehow be interpreted. However, I do not want to offend anyone, it makes no sense.

    And for your support drinks
  • Normal
    Normal 14 October 2013 07: 08
    +2
    Quote: Botanologist
    You didn’t understand anything at all. I wrote - you are not in the subject, but you are proving something to me where you stood under the flag there.

    laughing So I wrote to you that you are incompetent. I’m writing to you where and under what flag in real life, from the street and the eyes of an eyewitness, and you retell me the news texts from the television set, offer lists of ROS members and all forgotten surnames from the nineties. You also suggest going to the congress of disguised provocateurs and pseudo parties for which there has long been no one.
    Quote: Botanologist
    .
    Well, at least ask the elders what this is about
    Are you so sure that you are much older than me? Or do you think that it is much more intelligent and wiser? laughing Your level of awareness does not confirm this.
    Quote: Botanologist
    You are demonstrating the so-called "mirroring". By a simple technique "myself". Simple, but helps in conflict.

    Hello to you .... Arrived. Confirm with quotes? And I am your rudeness and transitions to personal qualities - easy!
    Quote: Botanologist
    But you don’t know me, do you?
    And you and New Russia - like flaky laughing
    Quote: Botanologist
    Well, what are you ... in the office ... In the Kremlin!

    Do you know where it is? Or again only in the picture? laughing I can lay out ...
  • Very old
    Very old 14 October 2013 18: 36
    0
    And they will never be able. She went into the bushes. I’m, you see, not a worthy debater
  • Nick
    Nick 12 October 2013 21: 19
    +4
    Quote: New Russia
    All white people must live in peace

    All people should live in peace, but the fittest survives ... wink
  • VADIMKRSK
    VADIMKRSK 13 October 2013 01: 06
    +1
    Racism. White country - Antarctica ...
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 13 October 2013 01: 18
      +3
      Russia was and will be white because it will be Russian and not Asian
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 13 October 2013 04: 15
    +3
    [quote = New Russia] I love the peoples of all white countries) [/ quote]
    [quote = New Russia]
    No comments
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 13 October 2013 12: 36
      +2
      If it catches you that I love whites more than blacks and you think it is Nazism, I feel sorry for you, this is not being treated)
    2. bask
      bask 13 October 2013 20: 45
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I love the peoples of all white countries

      But this is not the Ku Klux Klan.
      This is a sect (white brotherhood). request
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 13 October 2013 20: 53
        +2
        Hi Andryukh, sect Maria Devi Christ.
        1. bask
          bask 13 October 2013 21: 01
          0
          Quote: Alex 241
          andvette Andryukh, sect Mary Devi Christ.

          Hi Sash.
          There was such a sect, but maybe now.
          We ran in white caps, just like the Ku Klux Klan.
          And not what it is, not the devi Christ-hut (Mashka Tsvigun and near Donetsk) laughing
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 13 October 2013 21: 03
            0
            Yes, I recall Andryukh, she still seems to have her husband also contributed.
          2. studentmati
            studentmati 13 October 2013 21: 10
            0
            Quote: Alex 241
            Yes, I recall Andryukh, she still seems to have her husband also contributed.


            "Aum shinrikyo" from the same opera. In 1992 at Mayak I broadcast for half an hour every day. And even after the chemical attacks, they did not immediately cover it.
          3. bask
            bask 13 October 2013 21: 14
            0
            Quote: Alex 241
            I recall, she still seems to have her husband also contributed.

            Something com hangs (not a virus?).
            Yes, it was. I’m talking about something else, how many people still believe, and continues to believe in this bodyagi.
            Now in Ukraine, some kind of Moor scam, tens of thousands of followers.
            We have ours, but not the Moor, but Scam is even worse.
          4. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 13 October 2013 21: 25
            +2
            Former leader of the "White Brotherhood" Marina Tsvigun preaches in Moscow under the name of Victoria Preobrazhenskaya.

            He calls the main idea of ​​his work the Supramundane Idea of ​​Universal Harmony of Two Great Principles: Male and Female, Spirit and Matter, Earthly and Heavenly; and - Sacred roots of Ancient Russia and Siriusian Intergalactic Culture. wassat
            Mary Davy Christ was in prison from November 10, 1993 to August 13, 1997.
            Since 2006, she has been living in Moscow under the name Victoria Preobrazhenskaya. The woman created the new organization of the Cosmic Poly-Art of the Third Millennium and in the new biography does not mention the known past. Now she is engaged in Egyptology, holds exhibitions, writes music and takes part in the Mystery Theater, and is also actively involved in the activities of a certain “Great White Brotherhood of Yusmalos”. In April 2010, the Great White Brotherhood of Yusmalos celebrated the Holy Holiday of the Universe. The main character there was Maria Davy Christ, that is, Victoria Preobrazhenskaya.
            Then in Moscow, the premiere of the musical mystery "Orion's Wife" took place. The director and screenwriter is Victoria Preobrazhenskaya.
            Preobrazhenskaya hides her past. But a number of photographs indicate the connection with the White Brotherhood, which shows that Mary Devi Christ and Victoria Preobrazhenskaya are one person.
          5. studentmati
            studentmati 13 October 2013 21: 40
            +2
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            Maria Davy Christos and Victoria Preobrazhenskaya are one person.


            Change of masks, in other words, the name of the legal entity for business is common.
          6. bask
            bask 13 October 2013 21: 48
            +1
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            calls the new Idea of ​​his work the Supramundane Idea of ​​Universal Harmony of Two Great Principles: Male and Female, Spirit and Matter, З

            Well, here she is no longer a simp. crying
            Flabby all, the Hindus leaned.
            Connected ****** to space.
            Well, we won’t plant her, hell, not a woman. So be able to, to scam.
            Talent (albeit criminal) however. wassat
          7. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 13 October 2013 22: 03
            +2
            Quote: studentmati
            Change of masks, in other words, the name of the legal entity for business is common.
            And after all, the people believe, I'm sure she has a turn to receive (well, or an audience, it’s more solid bully ). What, there to say if the projectMMM-2lives and lives. Inexhaustible trust of our population to forgiveness of all stripes.
            Quote: bask
            Flabby all, in the Hindus leaned
            stop mistake, Andrey ...Siriusian she, intergalactic, and I noticed the rest correctly laughing
          8. studentmati
            studentmati 13 October 2013 22: 13
            +1
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            Inexhaustible trustfulness of our population to forgiveness of all stripes.


            Rather, an excellent knowledge of the psychology of a particular "electorate" and skillful manipulation of its consciousness, which is conducive to its credulity.
          9. bask
            bask 13 October 2013 22: 21
            +1
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            oktMMM-2 lives and lives. Inexhaustible

            Here MMMM, law enforcement could cover up.
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            .Siriusian she is intergalactic, and

            Yes, radish horseradish is not sweeter. laughing
            Not exhaustible, human stupidity and gullibility.
          10. studentmati
            studentmati 13 October 2013 22: 31
            0
            Quote: bask
            Here MMMM, law enforcement could cover up.


            "MMMM operates within the framework of the Law." What is another matter? Why is the US Federal Reserve allowed, but we cannot?
  • Alexkorzun
    Alexkorzun 13 October 2013 15: 06
    +4
    yeah, this is the ARGUMENT ... I myself studied in the USA and interned in England twice, but because of this they didn’t become smaller cannibals for me (as, indeed, for the whole world) !!! and those and others !
  • ioann1
    ioann1 18 October 2013 13: 56
    0
    So what? found something to surprise, as in that movie "Circus": she has a black child, gentlemen!
  • Current 72
    Current 72 12 October 2013 19: 12
    +2
    Yes! USA is exceptional! In villainy, hypocrisy and lies.
  • Siberian German
    Siberian German 14 October 2013 03: 33
    0
    not - there are enough "friends" - and England and service jackets, and poor Jewish boys, etc. etc.
  • honest jew
    honest jew 12 October 2013 11: 17
    -36 qualifying.
    Sent Cossack of the Old Men: -DDDDDDD
    1. not good
      not good 12 October 2013 11: 44
      +5
      Did you send? wassat
    2. Silkway0026
      Silkway0026 12 October 2013 12: 47
      20
      Starikov talks about the problems of Russia at home, in Russia. how can he be mishandled? to your home?

      but for some people it’s time to go home, to their historical homeland
      1. Very old
        Very old 12 October 2013 20: 38
        +2
        And not only to some. We and our hoopoes are not to turn
    3. Petr1
      Petr1 12 October 2013 14: 22
      +5
      looked at your komenty, noble you peed :)
      1. a52333
        a52333 12 October 2013 17: 29
        +7
        Peter, well, since you are not good either. Let's not mix political views with sexual orientation.
    4. edmed
      edmed 12 October 2013 15: 18
      +1
      hi Do not be distracted, continue tossing bags of money, otherwise your fellow countrymen will "help" wink
    5. Garysit
      Garysit 12 October 2013 19: 02
      +5
      In general, there are honest Jews in life ??????
      I doubt however, as one famous movie hero said ......
    6. Current 72
      Current 72 12 October 2013 19: 16
      +2
      Honest Jew! And YOU are not a mishandled Cossack! You are sitting in Israel and croaking!
      1. pl675
        pl675 12 October 2013 19: 55
        0
        honest jew
        thumpy englishman
        Squinting Ukrainian
        sly Kyrgyz
        - Who cares what they call themselves on the net?
        - the essence of the presentation.

        and yes, I croak not from the territory of the Russian Federation.
        - am I an enemy?
        Dear, Komsomol agitation has long been lit.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 12 October 2013 20: 05
          +1
          Apparently they’re smoking it)
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 13 October 2013 00: 35
            +3
            Quote: New Russia
            Apparently they’re smoking it)
            - our product, from our famous valley. How do you know? You can't know what is being consumed by "churki" as a smoke, you can't stoop to that!
  • APASUS
    APASUS 12 October 2013 15: 56
    +3
    Quote: Lech from our city
    It is enough to listen to the ranting of American experts on the information and sabotage war

    Didn't Snowden show the full potential of the struggle, the level of far-reaching goals.
    USA needs "absolute" power
  • honest jew
    honest jew 12 October 2013 19: 38
    0
    the main accuser of Anglo-Saxons in the post-Soviet space supported the deployment of the American "logistics center" in Ulyanovsk .... !!! hi
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 12 October 2013 19: 49
      +3
      He is an ordinary ordinary lizun, justifies all the actions of the superlord)
    2. Fin
      Fin 12 October 2013 20: 36
      +6
      Quote: Honest Jew
      the main accuser of Anglo-Saxons in the post-Soviet space supported the deployment of the American "logistics center" in Ulyanovsk .... !!!

      So what? What threats does this entail? Let's help the "friends" to withdraw the troops from Afgan. I would also help from Germany, Japan and Turkey, but they don't want to yet.
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 12 October 2013 20: 55
        +1
        No one is going to withdraw all the troops, it is necessary to control the Russian drug genocide, any normal ruler would sound the alarm when his country is on the 1st place in terms of mortality from drugs, but our president does not even raise this topic, I wonder why?)
        1. Fin
          Fin 12 October 2013 21: 29
          0
          Quote: New Russia
          No one is going to withdraw all the troops, it is necessary to control the Russian drug genocide, any normal ruler would sound the alarm when his country is on the 1st place in terms of mortality from drugs, but our president does not even raise this topic, I wonder why?)

          Did they tell you this? And where does the drug genocide, does it go through Ulyanovsk? Or to keep a conversation phonemic?
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 12 October 2013 21: 41
            +1
            "And what does the drug genocide have to do with it, is it going through Ulyanovsk?" Despite the fact that they openly destroy us with the help of drugs and we not only do not protest, but also provide them with a service
            1. Fin
              Fin 12 October 2013 22: 07
              +5
              Quote: New Russia
              Despite the fact that they openly destroy us with the help of drugs, and we not only do not protest, but also provide them with a service

              They control drug trafficking around the world. Do they all hold protest demonstrations? And no one is friends with them?
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 12 October 2013 22: 12
                +1
                "They control drug trafficking all over the world. Are they all going to protest?" They do not openly control anywhere else, and we are not all, we were a superpower 20 years ago, and if we were not, we could introduce measures
        2. VADIMKRSK
          VADIMKRSK 13 October 2013 04: 18
          0
          DG in the first place put the fight against tobacco! Corruption, drug addiction, banditry, prostitution, roads, fools in power, like that for later.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 13 October 2013 04: 22
            +2
            Quote: VADIMKRSK
            Corruption, drug addiction, banditry, prostitution, roads, fools in power, like that for later.

            Everything that you listed is sitting in the State Duma, they won’t fight with themselves, it’s not logical. Caries will not destroy itself, it’s necessary either to cure it or root it out and insert a new one hi
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 13 October 2013 04: 27
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              All that you listed are seated in the State Duma

              Is the paver representing the roads in it? wassat
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 13 October 2013 04: 43
                +1
                Quote: Ruslan67
                Is the paver representing the roads in it?

                Fools are an integral part of the road. Yes, and in the State Duma the first allocate money for the second hi
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 13 October 2013 04: 47
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Fools are an integral part of the road

                  Fuck there request Would be integral would lie in it and not walk on it wassat
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 13 October 2013 04: 52
                    +1
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Would be integral would lie in it and not walk on it

                    Ruslan, from time to time people are bored by the second and first. And when this moment comes, the people roll the first into the second laughing
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 13 October 2013 05: 04
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      people roll the first into the second

                      Judging by the holes in the asphalt in our St. Petersburg, the preparation is already finished. It remains only to roll up this first laughing
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 13 October 2013 05: 07
                      +1
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      Judging by the holes in the asphalt in our St. Petersburg preparation is already completed

                      So again, everything will start from Peter laughing Wait for the team to start, the first Matvienko (son), and then according to the queue. Make up the queue yourself.
                    3. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 13 October 2013 05: 10
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      So again, everything will start from Peter

                      Tradition however request
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      and then according to the queue. Make up the queue yourself.

                      Interesting, screams you did not stand here !!! will be? wassat
  • Very old
    Very old 12 October 2013 20: 00
    +1
    Guys, from the time of these: read about Chandler and others ... When Alexei Mikhailovich was. They sharpened their teeth to pain, already drooling. Do we not know the Anglo-Saxons
  • Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 13 October 2013 22: 59
    +1
    America will never leave Russia alone. ... rather the opposite. You know i'm right
  • Siberian German
    Siberian German 14 October 2013 03: 30
    +1
    I somehow - over half a liter of "tea" with one Fritz (root) got into a conversation - well, we agreed to this - I told him that you shouldn't have to fight with us, but to develop trade and military alliances, and then we would have put things in order in the whole world - and he told me that my views are pure Nazism and I think how bad - he didn't even want to hypothetically imagine such a situation - that's what propaganda does
  • Reasonable, 2,3
    Reasonable, 2,3 17 October 2013 21: 42
    0
    And why there are such creatures: Alekseeva, Borovoy, Khakamada, Nemtsov and so on etc. This is the 5th column in the heart of Russia.
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 12 October 2013 07: 33
    24
    Britain and I are enemies

    and is this still in doubt?
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 12 October 2013 07: 49
      11
      Quote: andrei332809
      and is this still in doubt?

      Local liberals.
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 12 October 2013 08: 05
        +8
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Local liberals

        are there such a small percentage of them on the site that they are worth attention? Or did I count the votes incorrectly and should I cancel the results? wassat
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 October 2013 08: 50
      13
      Quote: andrei332809
      and is this still in doubt?

      The one who buys real estate there.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 12 October 2013 09: 22
        14
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The one who buys real estate there.

        - Yes, not necessarily! In my opinion, there is such a Goldfinder, here on the forum, this "Goldfinder" is just an Anglophile. In the sense of an "ideological Anglophile", without buying real estate on this small island, which no one, besides the Goldfineder himself, is interested in. Buying real estate there - this Goldfinder is too loser for such a purchase, so he can only be "ideological", that is, sincere and not for money, a fan of England. At the same time, it is precisely such "unmercenaries" who are the most active promoters of England's interests in Russia, it is these who ardently advocate at the first opportunity that Russia renounce its Russian identity and become "civilized" - that is, this means "exactly - just like England! " - country. And those who buy real estate in England - they bought it, moved there and forgot about Russia. In most cases, there is no harm from them to Russia.
        Aw, goldfinder, come out into the light of day! We will pester you! The last time you defended Churchill in front of me, drooling the entire screen over me, told me that the USSR unleashed a bunch of wars by sending tanks to Prague and Budapest (I also have a bunch of wars laughing ) but somehow everything is so weakly proved. Forum users, in order to start wetting and treading this Anglophile, throw in how many wars the West has unleashed only for the period from 1945 to the present - do we have the right to consider the whole West precisely as a product of England? Right. Here's the list, poke Goldfinder with his nose in English guano, let him eat laughing
        I am sure that one of the minuses of the article is its minus.
        1. goldfinger
          goldfinger 12 October 2013 14: 18
          -4
          half-honored aksakal!
          Quote: aksakal
          Forum users, in order to start wetting and chasing this Anglophile
          The instigator and informer deserves no other treatment. I refuse from polemics with you, due to my natural disgust for such individuals. I did not think that anonymous snitching was encouraged at the "military-male" forum. Accept and so on.
          1. Current 72
            Current 72 12 October 2013 19: 24
            +4
            Goldfinger, what the hell are YOU masking under the Belarusian flag. Let's hang out your flag. To see who YOU ​​really are.
            1. goldfinger
              goldfinger 12 October 2013 22: 14
              +3
              Quote: Current 72
              Goldfinger, what the hell are YOU masking under the Belarusian flag. Let's hang out your flag. To see who YOU ​​really are.

              To the gross question I have a courteous answer. If you know Minsk, my windows look at the National Library. Good night, land, though rude.
          2. aksakal
            aksakal 13 October 2013 00: 47
            0
            Quote: goldfinger
            The instigator and informer do not deserve other treatment.
            - Yes, sorry, of course, sorry! I should have kept secret your dreams and weaknesses, in which you admitted to me at the moment of mental weakness, but I have unscrupulously laid out everything laughing And now there's a shortcut on me
            Quote: goldfinger
            instigator and informer
            laughing

            Quote: goldfinger
            I refuse the polemic with you
            - Yeshkin cat, I hit! He said the wrong words, didn't guess. Can you ask a question? - why do you love England? Just wondering? I adore Belarus, I dream and I can't get everything, in my youth I listened to "Verasami" to "Syabrami", "Robin" sang under my breath, but here "what a bummer on you!", There are people who regret that they are Belarusians, but not British. Well, in short, very interesting!
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 12 October 2013 13: 01
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: andrei332809
        and is this still in doubt?

        The one who buys real estate there.


        and ... so these are not ours ...
      3. Very old
        Very old 12 October 2013 21: 15
        0
        Vasya CHUKCHA: however, it is not in vain that the rating is ONE. From our "opponents" Laxandru .......... Well, stuff
    3. edge
      edge 12 October 2013 09: 32
      11
      Quote: andrei332809
      Britain and I are enemies

      The main thing is that the great geopolitical players continue to come to the leadership of Russia
    4. gsg955
      gsg955 12 October 2013 10: 06
      21
      England is Russia’s most consistent enemy, even Hitler couldn’t do so much harm. The Britons have been harming us for centuries. Truly a small bug, but smelly.
      1. Very old
        Very old 12 October 2013 21: 19
        +1
        They appeared on the forum ... Well, as without them
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 12 October 2013 21: 23
          +1
          You know, you are useful to us) There should be more people like you who see the State Department as agents in all) This is what we need)
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 13 October 2013 00: 20
            +5
            Quote: New Russia
            Such as you should be more seeing in all agents of the State Department) This is what we need)


            Paranoid schizophrenia is manifested mainly through a violation of the processes of thinking, which is expressed mainly in distorted perception or paranoid behavior and thinking. The diagnosis is made if there are common criteria for schizophrenia, as well as the following signs: the prevalence of delusional or hallucinatory phenomena (various types of delirium, hallucinations of smell and taste, synesthesia), catatonic symptoms, as well as flattened or inadequate affect.
            Types of delirium that may be present in paranoid schizophrenia: delusions of persecution, messianic, of high origin, exposure, jealousy, attitude, meaning, delirium of bodily changes. Delusional attitudes arise either acutely, like an inspiration, or gradually in the process of personality restructuring. The clinical picture should not be dominated by emotional inadequacy and catatonic symptoms.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 13 October 2013 00: 59
              +1
              Quote: Botanologist
              Paranoid schizophrenia

              - Oops, and above a little contact, already wanted to offer. what It turns out to be sick. So it’s not written on the forehead, but it seems to be pretty ... It’s tin, you informed us on time.
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 13 October 2013 01: 21
                +1
                And then banyat for rudeness?) It's a pity you can’t swear eh) But I still won’t fall to your level)
                1. Botanologist
                  Botanologist 13 October 2013 12: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: New Russia
                  But I still won’t fall to your level)


                  To go down to the level of Aksakal, you will have to grow 50 years.
            2. New Russia
              New Russia 13 October 2013 01: 08
              +2
              Thank you, I know the symptoms, so I definitely diagnose them)
            3. Normal
              Normal 13 October 2013 02: 33
              +4
              Quote: Botanologist
              Paranoid schizophrenia is manifested mainly through a violation of the processes of thinking, which is expressed mainly in distorted perception or paranoid behavior and thinking. The diagnosis is made if there are common criteria for schizophrenia, as well as the following signs: the prevalence of delusional or hallucinatory phenomena (various types of delirium, hallucinations of smell and taste, synesthesia), catatonic symptoms, as well as flattened or inadequate affect.
              Types of delirium that may be present in paranoid schizophrenia: delusions of persecution, messianic, of high origin, exposure, jealousy, attitude, meaning, delirium of bodily changes. Delusional attitudes arise either acutely, like an inspiration, or gradually in the process of personality restructuring. The clinical picture should not be dominated by emotional inadequacy and catatonic symptoms.


              All right. And now we give examples of widespread delirium.
              1.
              She is a Nazi.
              belay
              ....
              2.
              I noticed on Sakharov. 500 man.
              lol
              ....
              3.
              "black got all the propolipolymers".

              ....
              4.
              I want to fight corruption. By the way, she reluctantly begins.
              laughing
              ....
              5.
              To expel migrants - why are you Muscovites making streets of revenge? They’ll drown in shit, but they won’t take a broom in their hands. So without migrants in any way.
              Here you need to understand the Muscovites (and in general all of Moscow) before the introduction of the Tajiks drowned in shit ... And only the author of this was and remains in white ...
              6.
              On the march, the nationalists mixed with the liberals themselves, no one mixed them.
              Everything mixed up in the Oblonsky house. Horses, people ... laughing Or is it all mixed up in the author’s head?
              7.
              .... the construction of a road through the Khimki forest will bring great blessings to ecology.
              fellow No comment.
              8.
              In any normal country, nationalism is an insult.

              .....
              Well, the last for today, to complete the picture
              9.
              She is not a Nazi. She is a nationalist of dpnyshnogo sense.
              It should be noted that in the first and last example we are talking about the same person. On the face of a split consciousness or retrograde amnesia.
              I think the picture of the disease is clear. Patient, recognize yourself?
              1. Botanologist
                Botanologist 13 October 2013 12: 47
                +2
                Quote: Normal
                And now we give examples of widespread delirium.


                I don’t understand you - do you really think racism is good? Then tell us what you will do with Tatarstan, Kamchatka, the Yamalo-Nenets okrug and other territories? Create reservations? But this is Nazism.
                Or are you just trying to cheer on a girl? So I wrote to you - on a dating site.
                And if you want to essentially discuss the topic of Russian nationalism and its derivatives - no problem, I worked with these guys for quite some time. And with RONS, and with Narodnaya Volya, and with ROS, and with the Movement Against Illegal Immigration, and I know them not on sites, but live. So I have my own idea of ​​what they are saying, and, most importantly, of what they are modestly silent about.
                There is no need to portray the leader of the nobility, they simply don’t roll in their party. Do not fit into the flock, so to speak.
                1. New Russia
                  New Russia 13 October 2013 12: 53
                  +1
                  "I don't understand you - do you really think that racism is good? Then tell us what you will do with Tatarstan, Kamchatka, the Yamalo-Nenets Okrug and other territories?"

                  Classic nonsense. Tell me do we have friction with them? No? And why then. Cheap horror story. That is with the Chechens and Dagestanis. Therefore, let them be removed)
                  1. MVS
                    MVS 13 October 2013 13: 01
                    +2
                    Quote: New Russia
                    That is with the Chechens and Dagestanis. Therefore, let them be removed)

                    Of course, I apologize for getting into a conversation, but I can’t pass by. The Central Asian republics have already retired, and their representatives have become more in Russia. This will not solve the problem.
                    PS By the way, in the 90s Tatarstan and Bashkortostan were created independent of the Center: taxes (they were not transferred to the budget of the Russian Federation), the prosecutor's office, the judicial system, the legal profession and notaries, local laws refuted federal ones. So there is no certainty that history will not repeat itself with the separation of Chechnya and Dagestan. This is a word about "cheap horror stories".
                    1. New Russia
                      New Russia 13 October 2013 13: 09
                      +2
                      "The republics of Central Asia have already cleared away, and their representatives in Russia have only grown." The only reason why there are more of them is that Putin even refused to introduce the visa regime "so that the allies do not push away" The allies wrote on the houses of the Russians "Pigs get out to Russia" now they come here and beaten they rape us they sell drugs, in Russia there are millions of migrants and their they are not going to expel at all, as if the FMS does not exist in Russia. If it were just someone who worked well there would be no problem.
                      1. MVS
                        MVS 13 October 2013 13: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: New Russia
                        "The republics of Central Asia have already cleared away, and their representatives in Russia have only grown." The only reason why there are more of them is that Putin even refused to introduce the visa regime "so that the allies do not push away" The allies wrote on the houses of the Russians "Pigs get out to Russia" now they come here and beaten they rape us they sell drugs, in Russia there are millions of migrants and their they are not going to expel at all, as if the FMS does not exist in Russia. If it were just someone who worked well there would be no problem.

                        Visa regime and everything else is not a panacea. The United States has fenced off from Mexico with a wall, toughened migration laws, etc., but nevertheless, residents of the border states complain about the "dominance of the Mexicans." We need to put things in order, not squander the territory.
                      2. New Russia
                        New Russia 13 October 2013 13: 23
                        0
                        Stalin solved the problem with the Chechens, which means the other can, if desired
                      3. MVS
                        MVS 13 October 2013 13: 26
                        +2
                        Quote: New Russia
                        Stalin solved the problem with the Chechens, which means the other can, if desired

                        That's it. If a couple of scumbags sit on a good time, then the rest will be smarter. But the Chechen branch will not decide anything.
                      4. New Russia
                        New Russia 13 October 2013 13: 33
                        +1
                        "If a couple of scumbags sit down for a good time" They are far from a couple, there is a network throughout the country of ethnic mafia and organized crime groups. They hate us, and we hate them, there is no single nation with them and there can be no, Putin will never take any measures to this, he has spat in everyone's face both when he gave Kayrov a hero, and when Budanov was condemned and when the Chechens started a bunch of our money to give despite the fact that our villages and small towns are in ruins. And you hope that after that he will suddenly change dramatically?
                      5. MVS
                        MVS 13 October 2013 13: 38
                        +2
                        Quote: New Russia
                        "If a couple of scumbags sit down for a good time" They are far from a couple, there is a network throughout the country of ethnic mafia and organized crime groups. They hate us, and we hate them, there is no single nation with them and there can be no, Putin will never take any measures to this, he has spat in everyone's face both when he gave Kayrov a hero, and when Budanov was condemned and when the Chechens started a bunch of our money to give despite the fact that our villages and small towns are in ruins. And you hope that after that he will suddenly change dramatically?

                        Hope dies last. I do not agree with you only in one thing: a single nation was in the USSR. Her about ..li. There is little hope for her restoration, but, again, she dies last.
          2. Botanologist
            Botanologist 13 October 2013 13: 13
            +2
            Quote: New Russia
            Tell me do we have friction with them? Not? And why then.


            And to what you wrote earlier. Let me remind you if the memory is weak.

            Such as you call Natsik normal Russian people who are against the replacement of Russian degenerates,
            This year, 17 millions of geeks from Asia will be brought in, in addition to several million Chechens of Dagestanis and Ingush ... At such a pace it takes 50 years to completely destroy the Russians.
            Have you ever seen an Asian or a Caucasian at all?) This is ridiculous. In general, Putin is just realizing your idea. In cops, they freak geeks from the south, not only to protect order, but to complete the genocide and enslavement of Russians


            You and everyone will have friction when you start somewhere in Kamchatka to explain to the Koryaks how great Russian you are.
            And, by the way, you have not written your thoughts about the structure of the country, except for a fog about "patriots" and "unpatriots". Well, and "geeks", of course, who need to somehow degenerate. Together with the police, etc. And you will put things in order, as already mentioned, shoulder to shoulder with thieves in law who have morality and ethics. It turns out to be a wonderful country.
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 13 October 2013 13: 17
              +1
              "You will have friction with everyone when you start explaining to the Koryaks, somewhere in Kamchatka, what great Russians you are." The cursed Russians are to blame for Chechnya, they tried to explain to them how great they are, right?) And yet, it's strange that none of the Russians explained to the Koryaks about their superiority?) Probably I'll be the first)
            2. Very old
              Very old 14 October 2013 19: 12
              -2
              There is porridge in the head, behind the smoke ...
        2. Normal
          Normal 13 October 2013 13: 33
          +1
          Quote: Botanologist
          I don’t understand you - do you really think racism is good?

          Of course you all understand.
          Quote: Botanologist
          But this is Nazism.

          So you decide who these Russian nationalists are. Racists or Nazis?
          Quote: Botanologist
          And if you want to essentially discuss the topic of Russian nationalism and its derivatives - no problem, I worked with these guys for quite some time. And with RONS, and with Narodnaya Volya, and with ROS, and with the Movement Against Illegal Immigration, and I know them not on sites, but live.

          Of course, these internationalists and exemplary Russians are much closer and dearer to you
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 13 October 2013 14: 21
            -2
            Quote: Normal
            Of course, these internationalists and exemplary Russians are much closer and dearer to you


            No need to ascribe to the interlocutor thoughts convenient for you. I understand that this makes the argument easier for you, but you are not arguing with me, but with your arguments, which you bring for me. This is called manipulation. By the way, the first sign that you cannot justify your position.
            1. Normal
              Normal 13 October 2013 20: 12
              0
              Quote: Botanologist
              By the way, the first sign that you cannot justify your position.

              As Yarosvet says; plum in the market. These are your arguments sucked from the finger like the crowds of Russian Nazis in the streets. And I give you specific examples and personally observed facts.
              Weak to refute?
              You scare us with Russian Nazism and the miraculous Judo Tesak who grabbed the term for a ridge (grabbed it right by the way, found it, beat ... where to zig) and point blank you don't see real ethno-Nazis who threaten lawlessness and promise to flood the city with blood in the event that we do not voluntarily fall under them.
              1. Botanologist
                Botanologist 13 October 2013 20: 35
                0
                Quote: Normal
                As Yarosvet says; plum in the market.


                Who else to quote?

                Quote: Normal
                These are your arguments sucked from the finger like the crowds of Russian Nazis in the streets. And I give you specific examples and personally observed facts.
                Weak to refute?


                Your arguments (especially with photographs) are just lovely. Each group yells that it was she who stood fellow . How to refute you? The list of ROS at the rally? Or send Terekhov to you (Union of Officers)?

                Quote: Normal
                You scare us with Russian Nazism and the miraculous judo Tesak who snatched off a term for a ridge (he snatched it right by the way, found it, beat ... where to zig)


                Yes, Nazism is unpleasant for me. Not because there are any people ... specific ... I don’t care, I worked with anyone. But because you can’t do anything more intelligible than filling the face of a guest worker. A lot of people in the House of Journalist have been persuading you all day - guys, let's take power, let's do something together ... AND WHAT? Ideas poked their wretched faces in each other's faces, pulled them apart like roosters in the bazaar twice, and at the exit - zilch. That's all your activity - zilch and fog, and no specifics.
                And besides massacre - no miracles (V. Vysotsky). wassat

                Quote: Normal
                and at point blank range you do not see real ethno-Nazis threatening lawlessness and promising to flood the city if we do not voluntarily fall under them.


                Nobody sees, you alone are so sighted fellow .

                You would at least once try to rationally assess the situation, write a program, go to the polls, take power into your hands. And you beat all faces - and all ... there is not enough imagination for more.
                Look at France, there Le Pen showed you what an intelligent and systematic national patriot is. He’s sitting in parliament (he was sitting, or rather, now his daughter). And you? Look at yourself, what awaits you and where are you going? A lot of initiatives - and for 20 years of NOTHING. Only ziki in front of the police learned to do it. Intellectuals wassat
              2. Normal
                Normal 14 October 2013 00: 28
                0
                Quote: Botanologist
                Your arguments (especially with photos) are just lovely.

                Is this a refutation of my arguments? Not impressive.
                Quote: Botanologist
                Each group yells that it was she who stood. How to refute you? The list of ROS at the rally?

                "Each group is screaming" on your desk, in your office, in your reports and reports. And besides me, no one else on the site said that he was there in person. How do you, an eyewitness, want to convince and refute me with the help of the ROS list at the rally? Do you understand what you are writing?
                Quote: Botanologist
                Yes, Nazism is unpleasant for me. Not because there are any people ... specific ... I don’t care, I worked with anyone. But because you can’t do anything more intelligible than filling the face of a guest worker.
                Therefore, you suggest not responding when the Caucasians beat us in the face. Very, very blah-arodno. The main thing is that the faces of the migrant workers were intact, and there are many Russian faces, they do not mind.
                Quote: Botanologist
                Nobody sees, you alone are so sighted

                See? So what? Urgently need to organize opposition to Russian nationalism?
              3. Normal
                Normal 14 October 2013 00: 53
                +1
                Quote: Botanologist

                You would at least once try to rationally assess the situation, write a program, go to the polls, take power into your hands. And you beat all faces - and all ... there is not enough imagination for more.
                Look at France, there Le Pen showed you what an intelligent and systematic national patriot is. He’s sitting in parliament (he was sitting, or rather, now his daughter). And you? Look at yourself, what awaits you and where are you going? A lot of initiatives - and for 20 years of NOTHING. Only ziki in front of the police learned to do it. Intellectuals

                This is Putin’s frank, insolent cynicism - We have been strangling them for twenty years with the full power of the state’s police machine. We even press and close the organizers of Russian runs, but they all will not be organized in any way, they will not all get into parliament. Only ridges learned to do. Intellectuals wassat
  • Victor-M
    Victor-M 13 October 2013 01: 03
    +2
    Quote: New Russia
    You know, you are useful to us) There should be more people like you who see the State Department as agents in all) This is what we need)

    For starters, you would understand the punctuation marks in your comments, after all, the Great-Russian language, and then you can think about the construction of New Russia.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 13 October 2013 01: 20
      +1
      Punctuation, age, gender, ahahah) Everything is as always and there is nothing to argue)
  • Very old
    Very old 12 October 2013 21: 11
    0
    Andrey, go along the tape ...
  • Igor39
    Igor39 12 October 2013 07: 40
    10
    Probably we must take care of the fifth column in the USA and Britain, spoil them a lot more everywhere. Where is the SVR and agents?
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 12 October 2013 08: 56
      +7
      about good scouts, the world will never know, well, or in a hundred years ...
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 12 October 2013 10: 08
        +4
        No need to find out, you need to do. The hero of a novel by V. Pikul said: Yes, Russia can be magnified! May our names disappear!
    2. varov14
      varov14 12 October 2013 11: 15
      +7
      A very sensible idea, the enemy must be beaten with the same weapon, and improving it with modern technologies.
    3. krpmlws
      krpmlws 12 October 2013 12: 12
      +5
      Quote: Igor39
      Probably we must take care of the fifth column in the USA and Britain, spoil them a lot more everywhere. Where is the SVR and agents?

      Probably, the special agencies continue their work, media broadcasting to the West have been created. However, for their successful activity there is no basis, Russia and Russians should have an advantage or equality over the West, a high standard of living, a low level of corruption, while maintaining democratic freedoms, only then their activity can bring significant results. On our side, truth and its active propaganda in the West can shake the prejudices and zombies of part of the community. However, in terms of national self-awareness and dignity, understanding of national interests, the cultural level of the community and its elite is incomparably higher with that of us, this is what led to it for example, that Germany united, and Belarus, Russia and Ukraine diverged with very vague prospects for unification.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 12 October 2013 13: 53
        +2
        I agree with you.
      2. VADIMKRSK
        VADIMKRSK 13 October 2013 01: 31
        +2
        Any poll of the people of Ukraine, Belarus, Russia and many others will be - "For unification". And who is against? ...
    4. Letterksi
      Letterksi 12 October 2013 23: 46
      +1
      Don’t tell me, who will do this? Special services are only engaged in landings in Pugachev and Khopre
  • Valery Neonov
    12 October 2013 07: 41
    12
    It is time for Russia to find ways to destroy at least the "NATO collective farm" in the same proven way, i.e. set these "collective farmers" against each other.
    1. edge
      edge 12 October 2013 09: 37
      +6
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      It is time for Russia to find ways to destroy at least the "NATO collective farm" in the same proven way, i.e. set these "collective farmers" against each other.

      this is called active events. I think that there are concepts and their implementation requires only time and most importantly, so that it does not end with a short-term perspective, but, in our spirit, go to a victorious end; war is all the same.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 12 October 2013 09: 58
      +7
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      It's time for Russia to find ways to destroy at least the "NATO collective farm"

      Wait a little more! Ukraine will sign the association - so we will ruin everything there! And NATO, and Europe, and the United States will crawl and all of them "bite"! And then we will reconnect with Russia! laughing
      1. a52333
        a52333 12 October 2013 10: 40
        +5
        NDA, it would be funny if it were not sad.
        1. varov14
          varov14 12 October 2013 11: 20
          +6
          Hmm, it will become sad if we slap our ears, it is always better to talk ..., History only teaches this, but it cannot teach.
      2. Current 72
        Current 72 12 October 2013 19: 35
        0
        God give your words to God in the ears !!!
      3. aksakal
        aksakal 13 October 2013 01: 06
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Ukraine will sign the association - so we will ruin everything there! And NATO, and Europe, and the United States will crawl and all of them "bite"! And then we will reconnect with Russia
        - with your lips and drink honey. I want to believe.
        Quote: Egoza
        it's called active events
        - They say Snowden is such an "active event". In any case, Dilma Russev is now far from being as loyal to the United States as she was before. But her father told her not to trust the States!
    3. Current 72
      Current 72 12 October 2013 19: 33
      +2
      Yes, do not ruin them, they themselves will fall apart, everything goes to this! And WE should not be like them, and should not act with their weapons of LIES. Our weapon is the TRUTH !!! And yet, you must first clean up yourself, and this is the most important thing today.
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 12 October 2013 19: 42
        0
        "Don't ruin them, they will fall apart themselves, this is where everything goes!" Soon! Here it is!) Let's suffer a little bit of their machinations, corruption there, the replacement of the indigenous population, and the damned will collapse)
    4. lexe
      lexe 12 October 2013 20: 25
      +2
      It is time for Russia to find ways to destroy at least the "NATO collective farm" in the same proven way, i.e. set these "collective farmers" against each other.

      Well, why is it good to disappear then ... unknowingly somehow think laughing
      They are on the state farm ... and the chairman of the Russian one. The Russian people are a guide-soothsayer of progress. And there are so many supporters of progress in all! Peoples. So they will agree ... otherwise they are completely blinded without ready leadership and are ready for a democratic social welfare create problems.
  • Hleb
    Hleb 12 October 2013 07: 43
    +4
    for some, the site still doesn’t understand why ordinary citizens of Russia consider the United States an enemy. They simply don’t understand this.
    1. Current 72
      Current 72 12 October 2013 19: 37
      0
      Well, yes, WE are just fools, and we don’t understand this. Do you understand ???
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 12 October 2013 07: 45
    +8
    Russia is in conflict with the one with whom it should have been friends - with the Germans.
    And now the Germans need to be pulled to their side. If the Germans are pulled out of the EU, the EU will sprinkle like a house of cards.
    1. AVV
      AVV 12 October 2013 08: 24
      +6
      Yes, the Germans themselves will come to this when they get tired of paying for everyone everywhere !!! The more members in the EU, the higher the probability of collapse !!!
      1. gsg955
        gsg955 12 October 2013 10: 12
        +4
        And you know that the Germans pay tribute to Israel for the so-called Holocaust.
        1. MIX58
          MIX58 12 October 2013 12: 01
          +6
          Quote: gsg955
          And you know that the Germans pay tribute to Israel for the so-called Holocaust.

          ... All Israeli tanks (and I do not want to say that the Merkava-mark-4 ... is not the best tank in the world) ... are equipped with German engines - supplied for free - that is ... for nothing ...! Israel's sixth dolphin-class submarine ... carrying cruise missiles on board (and where is the guarantee that it is without nuclear warheads?) .. put into service also free of charge by Germany .... Well ... this is and there is ... Tribute of the defeated people to the people - the winner !!!!
      2. bomg.77
        bomg.77 12 October 2013 12: 55
        +8
        Quote: AVV
        Yes, the Germans themselves will come to this when they get tired of paying for everyone everywhere !!! The more members in the EU, the higher the probability of collapse !!!
        They will come of course. I would like this to happen faster In the EU they are the locomotive and drag this train, there are a lot of empty cars and someday they will get tired of it. I think they would now leave the EU and drive out American bases, only they can’t leave and become themselves on its own, as their Anglo-Saxons will devour, and Russia is only recovering. So far, I think there will be a friendly alliance with Germany.
    2. Averias
      Averias 12 October 2013 09: 35
      +8
      Quote: bomg.77
      And now the Germans need to be pulled to their side. If the Germans are pulled out of the EU, the EU will sprinkle like a house of cards.


      So after all, Merkel is not without our efforts, she went for a second term. The fact that she makes lunges (verbal) towards Russia does not mean anything. She needs to keep a mark in the west. But during the reign of Merkel, the number of Germans openly talking about integration with Russia has increased significantly. Why's that? what
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 12 October 2013 13: 06
        +5
        Quote: Averias
        But during the reign of Merkel, the number of Germans openly talking about integration with Russia has increased significantly. Why did it happen?
        Schroeder started rapprochement with Russia! After resignation, she works on the Nord Stream project at the personal invitation of Putin. Merkel continued this. The Russia-Germany union has been asking for a long time
    3. gsg955
      gsg955 12 October 2013 10: 10
      11
      The friendship of the Germans and Russians is a terrible dream of the British. But as they say, happiness awaits the patient, i.e., Russia.
    4. MIX58
      MIX58 12 October 2013 11: 51
      +6
      Quote: bomg.77
      bomg.77 Today, 07:45
      Russia is in conflict with the one with whom it should have been friends - with the Germans. And now the Germans need to be pulled to their side. If the Germans are pulled out of the EU, the EU will sprinkle like a house of cards.

      Dear Comrade ... let us be anxious ... treat the Great and Mighty Russian language:) .... Germans are people who do not understand the Russian Language ..... And the Germans - (Ostrogoths and Visigoths) ... onete is-- Germans .. It's just that the Germans ... well, a very vague concept ... In principle, I agree with you .. Kaiser Wilhelm meeting with his cousin Emperor Nikolai Alexandrovich, on the threshold of the imperialist one, he discussed this topic ... they did not come to a general agreement ... and the two great European autocracy scattered ...: I personally am sorry!)
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 12 October 2013 07: 47
    +8
    America will leave Russia alone when it itself "goes" into the state - "Disunited" States of America, not earlier, but until then, will GRIND its teeth.
    1. edge
      edge 12 October 2013 09: 54
      +7
      Quote: ia-ai00
      America will leave Russia alone when it itself "goes" into the state - "Disunited" States of America, not earlier

      it’s unlikely that Britons and Jews are concocting anyone else ..... on choice-yapy, Arabs, Canadian-Australian-Nude zelando conglomerate, or habitually harness the Heb ... icks (in vain, what if they collect trash)
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 12 October 2013 07: 50
    11
    from the Don.
    The main thing is that the great geopolitical players, whom the Russian land often gave birth to, continue to come to the leadership of Russia.
    Here, here! And not like Medvedev. His initials do not coincide with the essence of a statesman. Not LADY, but I will give, I will give, I WILL! There is no place for such commanders at the helm of the state!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 October 2013 08: 53
      +4
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      ! There is no place for such commanders at the helm of the state!

      It’s strange that Putin appointed him, really wink
      1. borisjdin1957
        borisjdin1957 12 October 2013 09: 34
        0
        from the Don.
        Maybe by principle, keep the enemy closer?
        1. Starfish
          Starfish 12 October 2013 15: 29
          +2
          Maybe by principle, keep the enemy closer?

          something he brought these enemies around him so much that he couldn’t see friends
  • Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 12 October 2013 07: 58
    +1
    Quote: Gleb
    for some, the site still doesn’t understand why ordinary citizens of Russia consider the United States an enemy. They simply don’t understand this.

    Do you consider them respected friends? They will never be them. Current when we lick their ass. But this is not real. Rather, they are to us.
  • SAG
    SAG 12 October 2013 08: 00
    +5
    The US is senile, and the West is at a standstill due to its dollar-based financial model. Our task is to prevent the collapse of this model at once. Otherwise, for the United States, the only way out is a big war. The task of Russia and China is to prevent the outbreak of war by dismantling the dollar system smoothly.

    This I have already heard from the lectures of the FSB 2000 release. The video is freely available on the Internet. So everything goes according to plan. And there are suspicions that these plans were drawn up by Andropov. IMHO
    1. Lech from our city
      Lech from our city 12 October 2013 08: 32
      +2
      I read these theses in printed form, it was very interesting, only I had a big question who would put all this into practice.
      1. alekseyal
        alekseyal 12 October 2013 17: 54
        -1
        We ourselves can implement these tasks, for this we must go into politics and participate in elections.
        There is a party, the Great Patriotic Party (Air Defense), in which Starikov co-chairs.
        http://партиявеликоеотечество.рф/docs/programma
    2. a52333
      a52333 12 October 2013 17: 37
      0
      The video is freely available on the Internet.
      Share a link?
  • pamero
    pamero 12 October 2013 08: 05
    +3
    Only the dismemberment of Britain is the golden key for Russia. India in the Customs Union of Pakistan, New Zealand, Iran, and all who are in Eurasia !!!!!!!
  • a52333
    a52333 12 October 2013 08: 12
    +3
    Entirely his books are good. Crisi $ how to do it. So it would be possible to nominate him after the 20 year to the president - he is a patriot. But what kind of politician and manager is he? Guess what !!! He has no experience!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 12 October 2013 10: 02
      +5
      Quote: a52333
      So it would be possible to nominate him after the 20 year to the president - he is a patriot.

      So it’s possible not for the president, but for the country's main ideologist, the first adviser to the president. The most!
      1. a52333
        a52333 12 October 2013 10: 37
        +3
        AHA, I’d have gained experience and got bumps. Option good . It’s a pity we don’t decide.
        1. alekseyal
          alekseyal 12 October 2013 10: 58
          +2
          It is already possible to vote for the Great Patriotic Party Party in the next election, and elect Starikov or his supporters to any government bodies.
          By the way, the first deputy is already there.
          Following the results of the September 8, 2013 elections to the representative bodies of municipalities in the Perm Territory, member of the Ust-Kachkinsky Village Council became a member of the Air Defense Council, Sergei Vasilievich Epishin. He became the first representative of the party in the legislative branch of the Russian Federation.
          And you can join the party.
          http://партиявеликоеотечество.рф/
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 12 October 2013 11: 22
            0
            After disgracing EdRo, whose member it has become worse than being an ATP or an apple, fortunately no one will vote for the party’s party)
            1. MIX58
              MIX58 12 October 2013 12: 13
              +4
              [Quote = New Russia] After the disgraced EdRo, whose member it became worse than being a member of the Union of Right Forces or an apple, fortunately no one will vote for such a party)

              I have been reading ... for a long time your comments (... I am the same as you are a National Socialist) .... One thing I want to note (((... Vladimir Vasilyevich Kvachkov - is sitting in a slammer ... for a broken crossbow. ) .... And I don't hear the screeching of "human rights activists" ... about him as a Russian Political Prisoner ... with respect to you .... for his unchanging position :)
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 12 October 2013 12: 25
                +9
                Thank you)
                "And I do not hear the screeching of" human rights activists "... about him as a Russian Political Prisoner"
                And there will never be anything in the media that is harmful to them, so look at the questions that journalists are asking Putin. Khodorkovsky, Pussy Rayot, the fight against gays. Well, who needs it! We don’t have any gay propaganda, I generally forgot about their existence until they started to untwist this topic to distract the electorate. Where are the questions about the fight against migrants, corruption, Serdyukov, about poverty, the collapse of the economy. On the economy in general, even on Sunday night news, not a word so as not to worry. In general, their news is just a laugh when they ask the opinion of German political scientists about Russia, they show some kind of Alexander Rahr, but they don’t say that in Germany itself nobody needs him in FIG, they have some kind of Simes responsible for all US political scientists, and so it’s been about 10 years ) It does not matter that the media litter the brain, the main thing is that we all understand everything, and indeed the people, especially young people)
          2. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 12 October 2013 12: 08
            -3
            Quote: alekseyal
            and choose Starikov or his supporters in any government bodies.

            Supporters of his painfully dumb - with a Chubais darling
      2. V. Salama
        V. Salama 18 October 2013 14: 43
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        ... the main ideologist of the country ... That’s it!

        Our ideology will have a cool mix - an ardent anti-Soviet, a latent anti-communist, devoutly believing in God and extolling Stalin's genius. Is it too unusual not to provoke alertness? You can't refuse patriotism - at the forefront, but the statement is known: "patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels." Let me remind you that this statement is not about patriotism, but about these very ... In short, charismatic, but very contradictory and illogical on a number of issues.
    2. alekseyal
      alekseyal 12 October 2013 10: 49
      +3
      But there is a party. Party Great Patriotic War (Air Defense).
      Starikov is a co-chair.
      Party program on one page.
      http://партиявеликоеотечество.рф/docs/programma
  • Bosk
    Bosk 12 October 2013 08: 19
    +3
    America wants to be "Glavnyuk", well, the flag is in her hands, because from history we know what happened to those countries that wanted to become "Glavnyuk". Uncle Chernomyrdin once said an interesting thought, "The world should be much polar," I am not unambiguous about this comrade ... but I support this idea with both hands.
  • Zhenya
    Zhenya 12 October 2013 08: 20
    13
    Russia NOBODY AND NEVER will not leave you alone, for centuries it has been tested!
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  • d_trader
    d_trader 12 October 2013 08: 29
    +3
    Quote: SAG
    This I have already heard from the lectures of the FSB 2000 release. The video is freely available on the Internet. So everything goes according to plan. And there are suspicions that these plans were drawn up by Andropov. IMHO

    As Vladimir Putin said in 1999 when he came to his colleagues in the FSB after being appointed to the post of prime minister: "The stage of penetration into the gangster's den is over, the stage of dismemberment is beginning!"
    1. Ustas
      Ustas 12 October 2013 11: 32
      +3
      Quote: d_trader
      As Vladimir Putin said in 1999 when he came to his colleagues in the FSB after being appointed to the post of prime minister: "The stage of penetration into the gangster's den is over, the stage of dismemberment is beginning!"

      At this rate of dismemberment, Putin’s whole life will not be enough.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 12 October 2013 09: 03
    12
    Video in topic laughing
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 12 October 2013 11: 59
      +3
      I join, GUY, from the bottom of my heart - BRAVO! WELL DONE!
    2. shark
      shark 12 October 2013 12: 18
      +4
      Well done boy! Bravo
    3. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 12 October 2013 14: 55
      +5
      And how cool it turned out about Ilya Muromets, who freed all the insolent Saxon heroes and they went on to save the worldlaughing
  • deman73
    deman73 12 October 2013 09: 16
    +4
    when you should not doubt one simple truth that our original enemy is the Anglo-Saxons
  • Alikovo
    Alikovo 12 October 2013 09: 23
    +6
    America continues the work of the British Empire which pitted Turks (6 times), Poles, Swedes, Persians, Japanese on us.
    The interview says: At the head of any revolution is a few paid agents, ambitious or just bastards. All the rest do not receive any dividends and believe in ideals. But they are being manipulated.just about bulk, Nemtsov, Alekseev, Udaltsov
    etc.
  • Soviet_Union
    Soviet_Union 12 October 2013 09: 48
    +7
    Quote: Marrying
    NOBODY will NEVER leave Russia alone, for centuries this has been verified!

    Naturally. Where it is seen that the "wild eastern barbarians" themselves could personally use the wealth of their large territory.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 13 October 2013 01: 21
      0
      Quote: Soviet_Union
      Naturally. Where it is seen that the "wild eastern barbarians" themselves could personally use the wealth of their large territory.
      not this way! All wrong guys! Where has it been seen that wild Oriental barbarians, accidentally discovered over American riches, launch their filthy hand into these riches?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 October 2013 10: 10
    +3
    The US is senile, and the West is at a standstill due to its dollar-based financial model. Our task is to prevent the collapse of this model at once. Otherwise, for the United States, the only way out is a big war. The task of Russia and China is to prevent the outbreak of war by dismantling the dollar system smoothly.
    The situation is similar to the 41st .. (to delay the war as much as possible and not succumb to provocations) And the rearmament of the Army and Navy (this is the problem) It is not possible to concentrate all the power and resources of the state into a single whole .. But time goes on ..
  • Python Kaa
    Python Kaa 12 October 2013 10: 31
    -11 qualifying.
    The article is too correct and obvious, to disgust. Thanks, Cap, but to write and read this is not to respect yourself.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 12 October 2013 18: 21
      0
      Thank you ... but ... read this - do not respect yourself

      So why did you read?wassat
      Or maybe you put it so that you were misunderstood?smilehi
      1. Python Kaa
        Python Kaa 12 October 2013 18: 47
        -4
        I read very quickly, and the inertia is large, I could not stop.
        Well, and accordingly, I had to lighten up here too ... in the sense of lightening up.
        1. Peaceful military
          Peaceful military 12 October 2013 20: 10
          0
          ... had to be lightened up right away ... in the sense of lightening up.

          It’s a pity that you, apart from the latrine, also feel better here sad fool angry
  • Fin
    Fin 12 October 2013 10: 32
    +3
    States are divided into two types - land and sea powers. The former must develop the fleet in order to defend their resources. And the second should cut them off the coast and take resources.

    Rest only in our dreams. Who else invented the utopian "peaceful coexistence of states"? The Anglo-Saxons do not even consider this, all the benefits are only at the expense of others. Eh, now would be an alliance with the Deutsches ... I dreamed.
  • vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 12 October 2013 10: 34
    +5
    Since the XNUMXth century, Western countries have been convinced of the superiority of European civilization over Russia and other countries. They have a predatory mentality: "if the people are peaceful in relation to their neighbors, then they are weak and must be conquered." From the beginning, Europeans from the XNUMXth century, and from the end of the XNUMXth century, the United States, with the enviable persistence of a "maniac", tried to "master" our lands "with fire and sword" or in other ways (bribery and play off the peoples of Russia). Basically, the pressure on us was carried out by the Anglo-Saxons or satellites at their suggestion. N. Starikov quite rightly noted that through their "agents of influence" they create an image of an enemy inside the country (France, Germany, Japan), and now China is waiting for the outcome of the armed conflict, hoping for a strong weakening of the country. No sooner had the booms of the Great Patriotic War died down than the United States and England planned to bomb our largest industrial cities with atomic weapons. Thanks to the wise policy of the leadership headed by Stalin and the hard work of our scientists and the entire people, nothing "worked out" for them. But they do not lose hope of conquering Russia since the XNUMXth century - hardly, although now we have not yet completely recovered from the betrayal of "Judas" together with a "drunk", but the sprouts of recovery have appeared.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 12 October 2013 11: 13
      +3
      "Since the XNUMXth century, Western countries have been convinced of the superiority of European civilization over Russia and other countries."
      Are you serious? In the 10th century, the camp of the West did not exist in nature, there was no Masonic system even in its infancy, there was still Byzantium, France, the Burgundians were not yet assimilated, there were several unshakable countries in Great Britain, even the Germans had not yet assimilated the Slavs of the island of Rügen and the Slavs, (Germany generally became a part of the West only after 1945, and that wasn’t the whole thing), half of the European nations did not yet have the Christian faith, which West are you laughing at? In the 10th century, Kievan Rus was feared and respected. What kind of superiority do they speak about us? Starikov had read?)
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 12 October 2013 12: 12
        +6
        Quote: New Russia
        Are you serious? In the 10 century, the camp of the West did not exist in nature, there was no Masonic system even in its infancy,

        Come on? You, girl, are really bad with the story. When the Crusades began, do not tell me? And where did they start, from scratch? Who organized them and where did the fighters recruit from? Where did the Catholic preachers all over the world come from? You already bother to open a history textbook and read how many countries existed in Europe at that time.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 12 October 2013 12: 27
          +1
          At that time, there were a huge number of countries in Europe and nationalities, but how are the crusades connected with the Anglo-Saxon liberal model?) "Where did Catholic preachers spread around the world?" Where did the Orthodox preachers come from?
      2. Dovmont
        Dovmont 12 October 2013 16: 10
        +3
        New Russia, everything you said is true, only in part. The West also existed in the XNUMXth century, represented by the Vatican. Which began to shape the present Western Europe and it began from the XNUMXth century. with the destruction and assimilation of the Franks. The first to collapse was the Slavic dynasty of Miroveev, overthrown by the Pipenids, who stood behind the Vatican. And then it was the turn of the Slavs of the Circum-Baltic zone - the West pushed them down by the XNUMXth century. From that moment on, the "drang nah ost" continues. At the same time, the history of Europe was being rewritten for himself, and now the prince Mirowing turned the Merovingian, the vrants (children of Vranus - the crow) into the Franks, their ancient capital Ludes (the other Romans called him Lutecius) into Paris, present-day Paris. Over the past centuries, work on mythologizing European history has been colossal. What was a good ground for the emergence and budding of many pseudo-historians like Fomenko and Nosovsky!
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 12 October 2013 16: 22
          +2
          The Vatican and the peoples under its control fought with the Slavs, it’s true, but the current system began to be created with the emergence of Masonic organizations in England and France, especially after the Napoleonic wars, when rudimentary liberalism was sown throughout Europe, and soon sprouted in the form of the struggle against absolutism and revolutions , Germany entered the Anglo-Saxon ideological world last, one of Hitler's main slogans was the struggle against Judaism and the Anglo-Saxon liberal model)
  • New Russia
    New Russia 12 October 2013 11: 06
    +3
    "We were building communism, they are capitalism. But now, in Russia, too, capitalism, and America is still plotting for us ...."
    And can you find out what machinations America is building for us? Missiles Falling Over America? Corruption, including among Putin's friends Rotberg Serdyukov Rogozin (especially his son) and in his liberal government because of America? Migrants killers of rapists and drug dealers imported from over America? Is the economy in recession over America?

    In the Altai, in spring, doctors went to the rally because of miserable salaries, the governor said they were paid by the State Department) Or maybe someone just needs to fire the scumbags appointed by him and put normal people in the government ???? Starikov schizophrenic Putin. The United States played a role in the 90s, then the enemies of the people of Yeltsin Putin Chubais did everything.

    "The US is aging and the West is stumping with its dollar-based financial model."
    Old schizoid, but in Russia some other financial model ???? In this model, Russia surpassed its students in multiculturalism and in everything else. Medvedev and Putin said that preserving old jobs is inefficient, we must go to a post-industrial society, although the West itself is already leaving it. You haven’t received new information from the hosts yet?
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 12 October 2013 11: 58
      +5
      The role of the USA in the revolution of 17 and 91 was one of the main ones, no one else gave money for these revolutions. And everything was done simply and with taste, the bureaucratic apparatus, up to the "great" princes of the General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee. The USA is a petty country, but creative, they figured out the weaknesses of the state security system, one of them is the "elite" is not subject to jurisdiction, betrayal is equated to stealing a bag of potatoes with this approach, this Russian elite by the name will always "put" on the state and the people, it is the elite serves only the one who put it. Regarding the economic model, you are also not quite right about this, there are two models of economic development, one of them is "just" the regulation of the amount of money in the country, so we went along this murderous path, who is its creator and inspirer, the haydaryonish-hack before that, he had not even worked as an accountant on the collective farm, that he himself invented this suicide. And nothing has changed since then. Such states, the USSR and the Republic of Ingushetia, did not collapse on their own; it was "just" needed by someone, whom we know. And the question why, too, has an answer, the Russian people turned out to be weak, let themselves be fooled, no leaders turned out to be capable of leading. Conclusion we will collapse to the level of an insignificant banana republic, where the Russians will live on the reservation. And the path of the meddles has nothing to do with us,
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 12 October 2013 12: 14
        0
        Judging by the local commentators on this thread, who call the old man a "patriot" and "future president", those who started the process of exterminating the Russians are going well, I want to tell such commentators about their level of intelligence, but I don't want to be banned. But all the same, I want to believe that such people in Russia are a minority, judging by the low circulation of books by the schizophrenic Starikov. His audience is fools who think that by reading his nonsense they will become intellectuals. One thing pleases, they all have nothing to do with reality, they live on the Internet on several Putin sites, because any contact with adequacy is dangerous for them) You will not find such people on the street, ordinary normal people understand everything, so I suggest you do not lose heart and do not judge about all the people in a bunch of duped or sick, huddling in several places on the Internet)
    2. goldfinger
      goldfinger 12 October 2013 13: 42
      -5
      Quote: New Russia
      Migrants killers of rapists and drug dealers imported from over America? Is the economy in recession over America?

      Bravo! Like a breath of fresh air in a "leavened" atmosphere! On a senseless, at the level of mantras, anti-Americanism, you will not find any "spiritual bonds", but you will only lose the remnants of common sense. You can only hear from everywhere - America has introduced agents into housing and communal services, the migration service, the police, the traffic police, cuts Russian babies into organs, and throughout the multi-page list of Russian "ailments". My son, a student, was an exchange student in the United States, I heard about Russia on the news only a couple of times, nothing about other CIS countries. They, by and large, do not care about the rest of the world, they are not interested in it. They are in their troubles (crime, bureaucracy, crisis, etc.). blame only their own authorities !!! This is not Putin-Medvedev with the State Duma, who are hindered by NATO, Americans, Western Europeans, Ukrainians, Balts, liberal homosexuals, Jews, Belarusian milk, Georgian and Moldovan wine, Lithuanian cheese, Dutch tulips! The last on the list - "buggers-drug addicts-botanists-ecologists"
      ;, protesters against oil drilling at decommissioned Norwegian scrap metal with artificially slapy equipment. Money intended for the purchase of imported, plundered. Emergencies on the platform are already the norm. There are materials on the Internet, not refuted. This is already crossing the line of reason.
      The "transfer of arrows" to the alleged culprits of their mess has a limit, after which it turns into a farce. As in a fairy tale about a shepherdess who shouted - "Wolves! Wolves ... How did it end, guess three times.
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 12 October 2013 14: 54
        -5
        These Internet fighters of the schizophrenic front are not dangerous, if only because they do not live a real life, those who live in reality and themselves face powerlessness or etho-banditry are not led into their ravings, so that they can stew in their own errors and errors as much as they like) How carriers of harmful propaganda, they are not dangerous and even useful, seeing them immediately you sing who Putin is)
        1. nbw
          nbw 12 October 2013 15: 32
          +6
          So you found each other - a Jewish agent and a Natsik liberoid laughing

          I dedicate a quote to you:
          <...> why Serbs, Russian provinces, Russian hard workers, Russian residents of Estonia, many hundreds of millions of normal people understand that "Putin is the best thing that happened to Russia in the last 30 years!" crushed by half-pops from office chairs and leather seats of Volkswagens and Renault, Muscovites and residents of St. Petersburg, who were cut off from their cultural significance, merged in ecstasy with thieving medium-sized businesses from all over Russia, which for 15 years hid and did not pay taxes, and now they are afraid to answer, no?

          These idiots are so dumb or their screams are so well paid that they don’t even understand that without Putin they would have died long ago, when in 99 Russia would have been pulled into 10 parts, each of which would have fought against everyone, and no one would have considered the victim . Serbs went through this ... Maybe that’s why they UNDERSTAND Putin's role and give him his due, as every Russian citizen should do, from the last guest worker to the minister? Do you really need the same war as in the Balkans, so that you realize how lucky you are that you lived at the same time and on the same land as Putin?
          http://putin-club.livejournal.com/?skip=110
          I hope it will cause a surge of hatred in you, and you will "drive away" in convulsions, clearing Mother Earth of a couple of assistants of rotten imperialism wink
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 12 October 2013 15: 49
            -3
            You have schizophrenia, how can a nazik be a liberoid?) And do you think our government is not liberal?) "From a couple of assistants of rotten imperialism" I don't want to disappoint you, but Putin is a liberal capitalist showing this by all his actions)

            "Why do Serbs, Russian provinces, Russian hard workers, Russian residents of Estonia, many hundreds of millions of normal people - understand that" Putin is the best thing that happened to Russia in the last 30 years! "

            Judging by this nonsense, you live in your own world, so I consider it unnecessary to argue with the affected and dead cell) You are another confirmation of my correctness and conviction that the right people in Russia will soon win over schizophrenics) Thank you for strengthening my optimism)
            1. IRBIS
              IRBIS 12 October 2013 18: 14
              +5
              Quote: New Russia
              You are another confirmation of my innocence

              Well, it's only you who consider yourself right. Misconception, but not dangerous.
              Quote: New Russia
              and beliefs in the imminent victory of adequate people in Russia over schizophrenics)

              Adequate people - who, surnames, for example, can you find out? Another question: And you, adequate people, won’t get wet soak? Moreover - to win soon?
              Quote: New Russia
              Thank you for reinforcing my optimism)

              Here is your optimism, well, let's face it, just like with Bolotnaya. Say hello to Navalny ...
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 12 October 2013 18: 24
                +2
                "from your optimism, well, let's face it, just like that with Bolotnaya. Tell Navalny" hello "..." Navalny is a liberal, only his team is an old Putin liberal with a new team, there is no difference between them for me. Why are you all to me Navalny ...

                "Adequate people - who, surnames, for example, can you find out? And one more question: And you, adequate people, will not get wet to win? Especially - to win soon?" Adequate people are those who do not dream that America went under the water with all its inhabitants, does not rejoice when a terrorist attack in America does not believe that Chubais and Putin will suddenly become patriots and understands that Russia's current problems are due to the ruling party and not American spies.
                1. a52333
                  a52333 12 October 2013 18: 32
                  0
                  Bulk liberal only a team he has an old Putin liberal with a new team there is no difference between them for me.
                  With chronology, you also have an ambush, as well as common sense.
                  1. New Russia
                    New Russia 12 October 2013 18: 35
                    0
                    You have some problems, Navalny was supported by the old team of Nemtsov Kasyanov and others, you even have nothing to answer me)
                    1. nbw
                      nbw 12 October 2013 20: 23
                      +5
                      Navalny was supported by the old team of Nemtsov Kasyanov
                      Exactly. Navalny was supported by enemies of the state. You are also an enemy of the state (unlike the aforementioned gentlemen, it’s just by meager mind, most likely) recourse And there is no "Putin's command", take a closer look. All the time they slip him all sorts of Medvedov and Surkov, he tries to throw them off, sometimes it works, sometimes not.
                      1. New Russia
                        New Russia 12 October 2013 20: 37
                        +1
                        "And there is no" Putin's team ", take a closer look. All the time Medvedov and Surkov are slipping on him, he tries to throw them off, sometimes it turns out, sometimes not." Why can't he throw them off for 13 years? And who is slipping them to him?)
                      2. nbw
                        nbw 12 October 2013 20: 50
                        0
                        Why can't he throw them away for 13 years? And who palms them to him?)
                        I’m angry, and I’m not hired to educate young maximalists. Watch Fedorov's lectures (especially recently), he chews everything in detail in them many times. If you are interested in a question, of course. If you just enjoy "crap in kamenty" - then the materiel, of course, is not for you laughing
                      3. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 12 October 2013 21: 08
                        -1
                        Quote: nbw
                        See Fedorov’s lectures (especially the last time), he chews everything in detail many times in them.

                        Well ka - well ka laughing

                        Where does he chew on his chatter about the attempt to "nationalize" Vova Central Bank and the abolition of the law on PSA?
                      4. nbw
                        nbw 12 October 2013 21: 16
                        -1
                        During the keyword "Fedorov" was pulled up by a paid agent of the State Department hi Come in, I’m not serving today, there are no trifles.
                      5. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 12 October 2013 21: 41
                        +4
                        Quote: nbw
                        I don’t serve today, there are no trifles.
                        Do not bend about today - that little thing that I asked about does not exist in nature - Fedorov yap.
                        And since you, dear one, ignore this fact and continue to refer to Zhenya, then who are you?
                      6. Very old
                        Very old 14 October 2013 18: 09
                        0
                        And on a large scale YOU never knew how, trifle
                  2. New Russia
                    New Russia 12 October 2013 21: 08
                    +2
                    "Watch Fedorov's lectures" Patient Fedorov, a member of PZHIV, I no longer listen to, I have not been ill with his delirium for a year now, there is some truth in his delusions, but the main thing is a lie.

                    "If you just enjoy" crap in kamenty "- then the materiel, of course, is not for you" I study the materiel from the words of other smart people like Delyagin and sometimes Khazin and here Starikov himself) How not to scare)
                  3. nbw
                    nbw 12 October 2013 21: 14
                    +4
                    Delyagin? Is it the one that scolds opponents for eyes with an arena (on camera)? laughing What are your idols, however. He is h.m.o. And the abbreviation "PZHIV" betrays you a fan of Navalny's rhetoric. Fu, who am I spending my time on.
                  4. New Russia
                    New Russia 12 October 2013 21: 27
                    0
                    "He's h.mo." Have you watched that video where Fedorov about .... lsya?) There were no insults.
                    "And the abbreviation" PZHIV "betrays you a fan of Navalny's rhetoric." I just liked this abbreviation that reflects reality, and you are one of those 25% remaining for EdRo?)
                    "Ugh, who am I spending my time on." Your quick and stupid conclusions made us think the same again!)
            2. Botanologist
              Botanologist 13 October 2013 00: 35
              +4
              Quote: New Russia
              Why can't he throw them away for 13 years? And who palms them to him?)


              You can not understand. You have flat one-dimensional thinking. Better, as they used to - "blacks have gone all the propolipolymers." It's easier.
            3. lucidlook
              lucidlook 14 October 2013 17: 11
              +1
              Quote: Botanologist
              flat one-dimensional

              Flat-one-dimensional in Russia is the vertical of power, which Putin and Co., in fact, built all these 13 years. Her main law is handshake. Then comes the inviolability and jurisdiction. For servile fun, the institute of seated sixes is kept separately. We can all observe this system in action every day to one degree or another. You can, of course, not observe, burying your head in the sand, and denying it. But, I'm afraid this will not affect reality in any way. And the reality is just that - simple to primitiveness. Facts to confirm or how?
            4. Very old
              Very old 17 October 2013 12: 49
              0
              Do you have what? Extra brains to waste on hoops?
          2. lucidlook
            lucidlook 14 October 2013 17: 03
            +1
            Quote: New Russia
            And who palms them to him?)

            I believe that the State Department. Who else? All enemies are only there. what
  • nbw
    nbw 12 October 2013 20: 28
    +4
    Adequate people are those who don’t dream that America went under water with all the inhabitants is not happy when a terrorist attack in America
    That is, you call adequate those who empathize with the failures of the geopolitical adversary of their country? You are inadequate laughing
    Russia's current problems are due to the ruling party and not American spies.
    That is, you are not aware that the "ruling party" was appointed (and is still supervised) by our "overseas partners". You do not know that in 1991 the USSR was defeated in the war with the United States, was dismembered into separate territories and began to pay indemnities. So we will write down, "intellectually - a child, does not have any knowledge in modern history, is incapable of a coherent dialogue."
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 12 October 2013 20: 40
      0
      "That is, you call those who empathize with the failures of their country's geopolitical adversary adequate?" Do you rejoice in the deaths of ordinary people? No, you are inadequate.

      That is, you are not aware that the "ruling party" was appointed just by our "overseas partners". So we will write down, "intellectually - a child, incapable of a coherent dialogue." How is it appointed?) You didn't know, Putin got rid of the damned liberals of the 90s long ago!) They themselves admitted that the government is anti-people, but you are on its side.
      1. nbw
        nbw 12 October 2013 20: 47
        +2
        You didn’t know that Putin got rid of the damned liberals of the 90s long ago!)
        Did not know. Proof, or not. "Damned liberals" are 95% (wink) government.
        They themselves recognized that the authorities are anti-people, but are on its side.
        I stand on the side of Comrade personally. Putin and the few honest people in government. The rest is a gray mass of corruption. But you are on the side of forces striving to destroy Russia and plunge it into the abyss of civil war. I should be ashamed, girl.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 12 October 2013 21: 11
          +1
          "I didn't know. Proof, or it wasn't." Damned liberals "are 95% () of the government." I agree with you about something.

          "to plunge her into the abyss of civil war" I always wanted to find out from those who were led to a "civil war" Who will side with the authorities?) Oligarchs of the PZhIV and Asian migrants? Putin even in December 2011 drove the students, who, by the way, admitted there that they were against the government, and the Tajiks were brought with the flags of EdRa)
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 12 October 2013 21: 43
          0
          Quote: New Russia
          Putin even drove students in December 2011
        3. Botanologist
          Botanologist 13 October 2013 00: 40
          +2
          Quote: New Russia
          I always wanted to find out from those who were led to the "civil war" Who will side with the authorities?)


          Army. Not enough for you? You just live in captivity of your illusions, partly schizoid. I talked a lot with your "colleagues". They have a sad fate, because they are incapable of creation. They only break, but they get a thrill from it.
        4. New Russia
          New Russia 13 October 2013 01: 12
          -3
          Army never) Our army is almost "people's" but the cops can. Moreover, in order for the security forces to do this, society must be split into at least two equal half when the advantage is obvious, nothing will happen
    2. Dima67
      Dima67 12 October 2013 21: 15
      +2
      Please. What are the objective reasons that we have been treading water for so many years. In the army, no stirring began, but this is because there is nowhere else to go. Here, much was written about the rise under I.V. Stalin, but the same Schickelgruber burned him in hell, for how many years Germany had been raised. Maybe I just don’t understand, maybe we just aren’t the same and forgot how to build and live with a song. But by God, she’s so sick of everything. Regarding our president, Stalin said that cadres decide everything and we have no irreplaceable ones.
    3. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 12 October 2013 21: 16
      +1
      Quote: nbw
      I stand on the side of Comrade personally. Putin and few honest people in government

      Interestingly - and direct violations of the Constitution personally by Comrade Putin - is this the norm?
    4. nbw
      nbw 12 October 2013 21: 28
      -1
      direct violations of the Constitution, carefully prepared for us in 1993 by the best experts of the CIA, personally by Comrade Putin - this is the norm.
      // fixed
      * threw 2 rubles into a cap substituted by an agent with a bold inscription "FBI" *
    5. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 12 October 2013 21: 52
      0
      Quote: nbw
      direct violations of the Constitution, carefully prepared for us in 1993

      h 3 s 80 - the guarantor determines the main directions of the policy in accordance with the Constitution and legislation.
      with 7 - RF social state.
      with 2 - a person of the highest value (it is interesting - for whom the CIA officers worked, that such a Constitution was "written")
      with 133 TC - THE MIND CAN'T BE LESS THAN A LIVING MINIMUM

      And the result of the fact that Vova is obliged to comply with the Constitution - MINIMUM - 7633, minimum wage - 5205

      Mattresses are to blame - the ubiquitous CIA? laughing

      Or shout Vova Urya, since he scored on the "occupational" Constitution?
    6. nbw
      nbw 12 October 2013 22: 05
      -1
      with 2 - a person of the highest value (it is interesting - for whom the CIA officers worked, that such a Constitution was "written")
      What a terrific argument. You're not Russian, right? You think like an American if you write such things.
      MINIMUM - 7633, minimum wage - 5205
      The evil Puten personally installed a small minimum wage. He alone writes all the laws and governs the state. He is the king! Ingenious. You can push such bullshit in the bulk of Navalny laughing Everything, my trifle is over. You work here, in the end, and I'm having fun))
    7. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 12 October 2013 22: 11
      +2
      Quote: nbw
      Puten personally installed a small minimum wage. He alone writes all the laws and governs the state

      My dear - you did not know this ?! laughing

      Of course, Vova does not write all the laws - he simply signs them, without which these laws cannot come into force, signs the unconstitutional laws, although he does not have the right to do so (in accordance with the Constitution) laughing
      And just in case, I remind you - the president of the Russian Federation has the right to veto.
    8. nbw
      nbw 13 October 2013 09: 59
      -2
      "Vova" call your drinking companions laughing Signs? He has such a job.
    9. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 13 October 2013 12: 01
      +2
      Quote: nbw
      Signs? He has such a job
      And what did he say new? Continuous chatter and not one fact laughing
  • New Russia
    New Russia 12 October 2013 21: 32
    -1
    "I wonder if direct violations of the Constitution by Comrade Putin personally are the norm?"
    nbw:
    "* threw 2 rubles into a cap substituted by an agent with a bold inscription" FBI "*"
    Who do you argue with?) Such as he only bring the fall of his idol closer, he (Putin) has nothing more to answer criticism except for miserable accusations)
  • nbw
    nbw 12 October 2013 20: 57
    0
    Are you happy about the deaths of ordinary people?
    Those who control geopolitical processes do not take into account the desires and destinies of "ordinary people". This is how the world works.
    Margaret Thatcher, (a member of the world government), speaking publicly 10 years ago and specifying US policy towards Russia, dropped a mysterious phrase. She said (literally):

    "It is economically feasible, according to the estimates of the world community, to leave 15 million people living in Russia."
    When her translator, thinking that he had misheard, translated - 50 million people, which was followed by an immediate clarification: "No fifty! Fiftin !!" she corrected it and repeated it again - 15.
    http://pocciy.com/stati/526--q-15-q
    Do you want to enter 15 million? Good luck But I don’t like this approach ... crying I will answer your question: yes, I am pleased when the enemy weakens. These "ordinary people" would cut and shoot me and my loved ones with great pleasure. To music like in Iraq.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 12 October 2013 21: 13
      0
      Thatcher's plans are being implemented right now by this power.
    2. nbw
      nbw 12 October 2013 21: 24
      -1
      This, as they say on some resources, "a bunch of a puddle." About the fact that "this power" is not a single malicious organism (wassat), I already wrote. Thatcher is an American, one of those you love so much. Very high ranking, by the way. All merge.
    3. New Russia
      New Russia 12 October 2013 21: 34
      -1
      "one of those you love so much." I love ordinary people like me.
      "Everything, merge." You merged for a long time, but everything is going according to plan
    4. Victor-M
      Victor-M 13 October 2013 01: 24
      +3
      Quote: New Russia
      Everything, merge. "You merged a long time ago, but everything is going according to plan

      According to Thatcher's plan?
    5. New Russia
      New Russia 13 October 2013 01: 32
      +1
      According to the Thatcher’s plan, everything is going on now, but unfortunately, all of Russia's domestic policy does not depend on me (
  • goldfinger
    goldfinger 12 October 2013 21: 45
    +3
    Dear opponent! It is impossible to consider people who have their own view of the world that does not coincide with yours, to be absolutely stupid.
    Quote: nbw
    "It is economically feasible, according to the estimates of the world community, to leave 15 million people living in Russia."

    There should be about 15 million Russians left, the minimum number sufficient to extract raw materials and maintain gas and oil pipelines. - For the first time such a phrase was mentioned in the book by Andrey Parshev “Why Russia is not America”: “... once I came across in a sound recording some public speech of M. Thatcher on foreign policy. <...> So speaking about the prospects of the USSR, she said something like the following, without explaining it in any way: “On the territory of the USSR, the residence of 15 million people is economically justified.” [24] No documentary evidence was provided. Parshev later clarified that it was about an economically efficient population: “It was her speech on foreign policy. I heard it on sound recording. It did not directly say that 15 million people should be left in the USSR, but it was said more cunningly: they say, the Soviet economy is completely ineffective, there is only a small effective part, which, in fact, has the right to exist. And this effective part employs only 15 million people of our population. ”[25] However, again no source of quotation was provided.
  • nbw
    nbw 12 October 2013 21: 50
    0
    Eck ran into you. You comment on the post below, in the spirit of "the apartment is removed."
  • nbw
    nbw 12 October 2013 20: 40
    +1
    Watch everyone! "Naziko-liberoids" - many times, until enlightenment.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 12 October 2013 20: 59
      0
      So what? Such as you call Natsik normal Russian people who are against the replacement of Russian degenerates, for you this is fascism, and everything that is happening in the country is normal) So expect a miracle from Putin.
      1. nbw
        nbw 12 October 2013 22: 14
        +1
        So what?
        And nicho. In fact, the video has something to say?
    2. VADIMKRSK
      VADIMKRSK 13 October 2013 02: 28
      +1
      Thanks for the video, otherwise I forgot its frankness. Winner, damn it ... They defeated themselves.
  • nbw
    nbw 12 October 2013 20: 16
    -1
    You have schizophrenia, how can Natsik be a liberoid?)
    Schizophrenia, just like the Nazi liberoid. It is impossible, being of sane mind, to simultaneously love the Russian people ("natsik") and their enemies (the USA, for example) ("liberoid"). Multiple Personality Detected wassat
    Do you think our government is not liberal?)
    The government is with us miscellanea... There are (in simple terms) both enemies of the people and statesmen. In general, only a very narrow-minded person can perceive the "government" as a single consistent organism.
    beliefs in the speedy victory of adequate people in Russia over schizophrenics)
    Who are these "adequate people" of yours? I ask for the names. Otherwise - empty chatter.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 12 October 2013 20: 31
      0
      "and his enemies (USA, for example)" I love American music especially rock, cinema especially fantasy) Is that bad?

      “Our government is different. There are (in simple terms) enemies of the people and statesmen. Only a deaf-blind-blind person can not see this. It happens in different ways, at the moment there are no patriots, if you do not consider Rogozin (who put his relatives in the state company in high places) and the minister of "culture" (whatever he is) patriots)
      1. nbw
        nbw 12 October 2013 21: 11
        +2
        Rock ... fantasy ... You already carry the blizzard, for lack of argumentation. And where is the music?
        Patriot in the government? Putin http://putin-club.livejournal.com/ Once again, if you are interested in materiel, read on. There are many interesting things. Shouting "Putin is a thief" and a fool will be able to. Which they do with pleasure. First, the chicken in n ****, then "Mother of God, drive Putin away" ... Well, you know what I mean laughing
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 12 October 2013 21: 20
          -1
          I said about music because you accused me of love for our enemy of the USA, you have nothing to cling to?
          "Shouting" Putin is a thief "and will be able to. Which they do with pleasure. First, a chicken in n ****, then" Mother of God, drive Putin away "" I always have enough arguments, I do not care that Putin alone is so cute if in 13 years he led the country to the fact that there is he or one of them or just a weak leader
          1. nbw
            nbw 12 October 2013 21: 38
            +4
            Putin is so cute
            X. *. *. Scale. You are not on the joystick, follow the epithets laughing
            if in 13 years he has led the country to the fact that there is either one of them or just a weak leader
            "Brought the country" ... You are just still very small. You don't know what happened before. There is one good, wise anecdote about people like you.

            - Why are you not happy with Putin?
            - It is difficult to find work without experience, prices are rising, rents are rising.
            - Was it better in 90?
            - No problem. In kindergarten I had breakfast, played and sleep.
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 12 October 2013 21: 45
              +1
              "" I brought the country "... You are just still very small. You do not know what happened before. There is one good, wise anecdote about people like you." Well, yes, yes) I have a mother who also teaches, her salary was 2001 in 4000 and now 9000. She has been teaching for 30 years. Dooo got better. Personally, I am not interested in the distant past, and in 20 years will you say that the 90s are to blame for everything?
            2. nbw
              nbw 12 October 2013 21: 56
              +1
              There are no "guilty" here, not in the prosecutor's office. There are natural geopolitical processes.

              U, you bore me. I leave you the last word. Hammer the last nail into the cover of the coffin of the discussion yourself. The girl (in black) with a hammer is so erotic wassat
            3. New Russia
              New Russia 12 October 2013 22: 03
              0
              I’ll be at my side and think ....) We have already won with such an opponent ....)
            4. nbw
              nbw 13 October 2013 10: 10
              0
              Who you are? They ask you for the third time - names, names? Or is it something so odious that it’s embarrassing to say it out loud? Maybe you also eat grants (you can take money from the enemy for a good cause, yes)? And already master the tag "[quote]", otherwise you can break your eyes about your posts. The main thing is the brackets)), there are more brackets, otherwise it is unconvincing without them. And ellipses ... In general, the style of writing hints at the TP from "vkontaktek".

              PS http://vk.com/novo_rus Everything's clear with you. Internet movement, pretty pictures, arguments about the superiority of the "superior race". "The Warriors".
            5. New Russia
              New Russia 13 October 2013 12: 46
              0
              "Maybe you also eat grants (you can take money from the enemy for a good cause, yes)" You are great, you are doing the right thing that you do not drink pills)
              Damned doctors will not break you, they will not prevent you from telling the whole world about the world conspiracy discovered by you!)

              "The main thing, brackets)" So this is for everyone to see my benevolent attitude)
            6. nbw
              nbw 13 October 2013 12: 50
              0
              world conspiracy
              That is, do you think that geopolitics does not exist? wink Or do you "count" nothing at all, and speak with memorized cliches?
            7. New Russia
              New Russia 13 October 2013 13: 00
              +1
              "That is, do you think that geopolitics does not exist? Or do you" consider "nothing at all, and speak in memorized cliches?"

              Of course it exists, but to consider everyone around as agents of the State Department, this has a medical name)
            8. nbw
              nbw 13 October 2013 13: 07
              +1
              consider everyone around as agents of the State Department
              Whom - all? So far we have only one agent here - Yarosvet. And I consider you a young girl who first came under the destructive influence of the media, and then succumbed to the Slavic-Natsik. For an agent, you are too naive and innocent repeat Or I'm wrong? laughing
            9. New Russia
              New Russia 13 October 2013 13: 13
              +1
              "which at first fell under the destructive influence of the media" I just got out of the destructive influence of the media, unlike you, judging by the way you treat the mouthpieces of Putin's media Starikov and Fedorov
            10. nbw
              nbw 13 October 2013 13: 18
              -1
              the mouthpieces of Putin's media to Starikov and Fedorov
              If they are "mouthpieces", then where are "Putin's media" themselves? fool
            11. New Russia
              New Russia 13 October 2013 13: 27
              +1
              "Educational TV" where they hang out. You ask stupid questions all the time, trying to show my stupidity, but show only yours) Good luck
            12. nbw
              nbw 13 October 2013 13: 33
              0
              "Cognitive TV"
              This is not the media. Media is television, radio, periodicals.

              wacky questions
              If you have no answer to any questions, this does not mean that they are stupid.

              Good luck
              And all the best to you.
            13. New Russia
              New Russia 13 October 2013 13: 36
              +1
              "Cognitive TV" This is an Internet channel, mass media, as well as "Pravda" ru. For the future
  • lucidlook
    lucidlook 14 October 2013 17: 32
    +1
    Quote: nbw
    There are no "guilty" here, not in the prosecutor's office. There are natural geopolitical processes.

    Yes, and this process is called "Internationalization of Capital" (see)

    You can act on the side of (initially) Russian capital or on the side of any other. The essence of this does not change, and consists in the substitution of concepts, namely, the struggle on the side of initially local capital is for some reason called patriotism. A special charm to what is happening is given by the fact that, within the framework of the global economy, capital has long since merged together (see offshore).

    There is a distraction from the essence of what is happening, namely: the capitalist authorities benefit from the conviction of the working people that there is a geopolitical confrontation. In fact, it is not, or at least not in the plane in which it is customary to talk about it. Fundamental confrontation is only and exclusively in the field of class struggle. While capital is winning. The working class is too depressed, too fragmented, too weak.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 12 October 2013 22: 04
    -3
    Quote: nbw
    Was it better in the 90s?
    And here is the main trump trump card laughing
    Only byada-Putin has nothing to do with the withdrawal of the country from the mess of the 90s.
  • nbw
    nbw 12 October 2013 22: 12
    +1
    Putin has nothing to do with the country's withdrawal from the mess of the 90s.
    Enlighten me, O great guru. Who led the country out of the mess of the 90s?
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  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 13 October 2013 12: 33
    +1
    Quote: nbw
    Enlighten me, O great guru. Who led the country out of the mess of the 90s?
    Willingly laughing - none.

    The mess did not go away, it only became legal and acquired the status of a system.
    Are you able to list the elements of the 90s that existed in the 2nd half of the 99th, and which would have disappeared by the 1st half of the 08th?
  • nbw
    nbw 13 October 2013 12: 56
    -3
    Putin has nothing to do with the country's withdrawal from the mess of the 90s.
    The mess did not go away, it only became legal and acquired the status of a system.
    So is there a mess, or not? Withdrew / not withdrawn? laughing You found that in the training manual the chapter on the withdrawal of the country from the mess is missing, and you started to carry nonsense, right? Agent confused in the words difficult Russian language wassat
  • New Russia
    New Russia 13 October 2013 13: 01
    0
    "You found out that the chapter about the withdrawal of the country from the mess is missing in the training manual, and you started talking nonsense, right?" Yes) That's how it is) You got it all right)
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 13 October 2013 14: 12
    +1
    Quote: nbw
    So is there a mess, or not?

    What was in the 99th is now, what was in 93-95 in the 99th was gone.

    Putin has nothing to do with the elimination of the problems of the period 91-99 on a national scale (he "eliminated" these problems specifically in St. Petersburg together with Sobchak - and so successfully that St. Petersburg residents eventually asked them laughing)

    So of course there is a mess, or do you want to challenge it? How about listing the above items?
  • lucidlook
    lucidlook 15 October 2013 02: 08
    +1
    Quote: nbw
    Enlighten me, O great guru. Who led the country out of the mess of the 90s?

    Enlighten! wink His name is "Urals":



    This concerns the amount of money supply in the country in general (however, with reservations). And in terms of the quality of the result, the very one to which Putin and Co. led the country, this is very clearly seen in the example of property inequality in society (the so-called "Gini coefficient"):



    Well, and as Govorukhin rightly remarked, under Putin, normal, civilized corruption appeared in Russia. What can I add?
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 13 October 2013 00: 33
    +2
    Quote: New Russia
    Thank you for reinforcing my optimism)


    Optimism is a cheerful outlook. Something I did not notice about you except hatred.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 13 October 2013 01: 13
      0
      I can’t rejoice when the sight of where everything is heading, such a soul of mine is wide)
  • a52333
    a52333 12 October 2013 17: 56
    +1
    This is strong. Here's how to disagree with Aksakal ???
    oil drilling protesters at a decommissioned Norwegian scrap metal with artificially slushy equipment.
    You would ask Yandex before you start raving !!!

    In the 1995 year, the bottom sections of the initial project of the Pechora platform (under the name of the Pechora Sea, in which the Prirazlomnoye field is located) were laid in the 50 workshop of Sevmash Production Center.
    1. goldfinger
      goldfinger 12 October 2013 18: 44
      +1
      Quote: a52333
      You would ask Yandex before you start raving !!!

      In order to reduce the cost and accelerate the construction of Prirazlomnaya in 2002, it was decided to build the lower part of the platform - the caisson - by the Russian enterprise FSUE PO Sevmash, and the upper part - the living, drilling and technical modules - to be cut from the disabled foreign platform Therefore, on July 13, 2002, "Sevmorneftegaz" and "Sevmash" enter into an agreement for the manufacture of only the support base of the platform. On August 22, 2002, the decommissioned "Hutton" platform was purchased from Monitor TLP Ltd as a "donor" of the upper part , built in 1984. [7] [8]
      Until the fall of 2012, the platform was never put into operation, after which the start of production was postponed for another year - until September – October 2013. The decision to postpone production is associated with the unprofitability of the project and the violations identified by the Ministry of Nature that prevent the start of drilling. [20] According to Alexander Mandel, Director General of Gazprom Dobycha Shelf LLC, the Russian industry is not ready for the production of equipment necessary for the development of offshore fields. As an example, he mentions the Prirazlomnaya platform, “where 80% of the equipment is a defect returned” [21].
      Before delirium, I looked there. All the best.
      1. a52333
        a52333 12 October 2013 19: 10
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        And what's wrong with that? Not a marriage, firstly, but secondly, a caisson in terms of work volume is the most responsible and labor-intensive part. And the pumps can also stand rewired.
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 12 October 2013 18: 20
    0
    Quote: goldfinger
    You can only hear from everywhere - America has introduced agents into housing and communal services, the migration service, the police, the traffic police, cutting Russian babies into organs, and throughout the multi-page list of Russian "ailments".

    And where do you hear it "from everywhere"? Do you have something wrong with your hearing?
    Quote: goldfinger
    The last on the list - "buggers-drug addicts-botanists-ecologists"
    ;, protesters against oil drilling at decommissioned Norwegian scrap metal with artificially slapy equipment. Money intended for the purchase of imported, plundered. Emergencies on the platform are already the norm. There are materials on the Internet, not refuted. This is already crossing the line of reason.

    Indeed, your knowledge goes beyond the reasonable. Sorry, you do not choke on bile when you write all this?
    1. a52333
      a52333 12 October 2013 18: 25
      0
      You do not choke on bile
      She poured into Motsk and does not cast. fool
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 12 October 2013 19: 12
        0
        Quote: a52333
        She added

        Where did he come from there? There are also some thoughts about Putin's "gang" in power and the future fate of the country.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 13 October 2013 00: 29
    +2
    Quote: New Russia
    The United States played a role in 90 x further everything was done by the enemies of the people of Yeltsin Putin Chubais.


    Have you fallen for a long time?

    Quote: New Russia
    Old schizoid, but in Russia some other financial model


    Want to talk about economics? Does education allow? Let's better talk about the usual "black do-all-all-lipolymers". Do not leave the image.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 13 October 2013 01: 14
      +1
      "Want to talk about economics?" I want!) "Have you lost your head for a long time?" Anything to object? In short, I'm unreasonable)
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 October 2013 11: 29
    +6
    Quote: Fin
    States are divided into two types - land and sea powers. The former must develop the fleet in order to defend their resources. And the second should cut them off the coast and take resources.

    Rest only in our dreams. Someone out there invented the utopian "peaceful coexistence of states"? The Anglo-Saxons do not even consider this, all the benefits are only at the expense of others. Eh, now I would have an alliance with the Deutsch ... I dreamed.

    I’ve also thought about this many times .. We with the Germans, in my opinion, understand each other better than all other nations. They fucked each other to death more than once .. (everyone found out and understood .. Bismarck understood a long time ago) It’s like in childhood sometimes there are boys fighting to snot bloody (and then friends don’t spill water, who understand each other at a glance and are standing up a mountain .. ) I remember a German (he had left for a long time in Germany), they lived in a hostel in the same room .. We congratulated him on May 9 and he on June 22 .. hehe And everybody understood any hatred simply! (Even corresponded with him (he missed him Russia, although we have here the dashing 90s were in full swing ..)
    1. both s69
      both s69 12 October 2013 17: 11
      +5
      This is in Russian, in our opinion, and right! Generously and directly! The wars of the peoples of Germany and Russia are the greatest tragedy and historical misunderstanding, behind which there is a smug Anglo-American with a predatory smile and a thick wallet ... of cut paper.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 12 October 2013 11: 52
    +6
    One moment. Sea Powers are trading states. This is due to the fact that you can always load goods many times more on a ship than on any land vehicle. From which it follows - you can prosper without producing anything at all. Grab the carriage, and you'll be covered in fat without making a single match! Susha - producer states. Findings?
    A trader is always interested in paying the manufacturer as little as possible. Further, it all depends on how many brains a trader has, that is, for how long he expects his current activities. If the planning is long-term, he tries to leave the producer a certain share in the reproduction of the means of production and labor. Slow death. In the United States, planning and evaluating business activities, on which all bonuses depend and in general the very existence of high-level managers and companies in general, is planning ... quarterly!
    Means? So the ideal scenario is that the manufacturer is not paid at all. He must use all his own resources for the production of goods, after which it is done so that he cannot claim a penny. This is the "ideal" scheme by which American and Anglo-Saxon politicians, businessmen and other thieves and bandits are equal in their actions. In any of their actions, initiatives and steps taken, in their very center lies this and only this ideal scheme, it is to this that they always strive.
    This must be remembered day and night, especially when working on "international cooperation".
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 12 October 2013 12: 17
      +3
      Sea Powers are trading states.

      +
      Not so much and not so much traders as pirates, bandits, idlers. They attacked, robbed and sailed away ... Go find who it was and where it is now. Hundreds of years of one craft left their mark on the way of thinking. Other than how to rob the manufacturer, they cannot act.
  • shark
    shark 12 October 2013 12: 12
    +7
    We have to work with people. Until we restore the Russian spirit, mutual assistance, a feeling of ONE people we will retreat. Gorbachev sold not only the Baltic States and Crimea. He sold our self-esteem. And this is the worst thing.
  • sird64
    sird64 12 October 2013 12: 50
    +2
    The United States has long wanted to destroy us during the Great Patriotic War, they said what. the best outcome of the battle is when the last German kills the last Russian. why do emegenics go so far as to say at ameracasos?
  • Altona
    Altona 12 October 2013 14: 17
    +4
    It will bother them to come openly ...
  • Per se.
    Per se. 12 October 2013 15: 17
    +1
    "The United States is decreasing, and the West is reaching a dead end thanks to its financial model based on the dollar," not only the financial model is decreasing, capitalism itself, as a social system, is decreasing. If we want to return Russia's leadership in the world, we must return the socialist links to our economy, turn the state to take care of its people, while creating understandable and fair laws and equality of all before them. It is the blessing of the people when thieves, bandits and traitors with a filthy broom will be swept out of state structures, along with their selfish interests. Then it will only be possible to really expect that the leadership of Russia will "come to the great geopolitical players, whom the Russian land often gave birth to." Here I would very much like to hope that GDP is not only one of the great geopolitical players, but also wise leaders, patriots of our country.
  • mithridate
    mithridate 12 October 2013 15: 17
    +3
    the west has long been seriously ill. Russia, on the contrary, is reborn
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 12 October 2013 15: 29
      0
      Can I find out where it is being reborn?) I could immediately give you statistics and numbers, but I'm interested in listening to your opinion)
      1. Victor-M
        Victor-M 13 October 2013 01: 30
        0
        Quote: New Russia
        You can find out where she is reborn

        In Russia.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 13 October 2013 01: 37
          0
          Russia is being reborn in Russia?) Read from the beginning of the comment) And answer) Nobody explained to me what is being revived here and where, I'll wait for your answer and go to sleep
          1. Victor-M
            Victor-M 13 October 2013 01: 48
            +2
            Quote: New Russia
            Nobody explained to me what is happening here and where it’s being reborn, I'll wait for your answer and go to sleep

            You consider yourself a smart and far-sighted person, look 20 years ago and feel the difference, and the love for your people and your roots also lies in respect for your traditions, and even more so for your native Russian language (in the sense of spelling). that to revive Russia, it is necessary first of all from itself.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 12 October 2013 15: 34
      0
      Quote: Per se.
      Here I really want to hope that the GDP not only refers to the great geopolitical players, but also to the wise leaders, patriots of our country.
      Just curious - what could such a hope be based on?

      Quote: Mithridates
      Russia, on the contrary, is reborn
      And what is this statement based on?
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 12 October 2013 17: 45
        +2
        Quote: Yarosvet
        Just curious - what could such a hope be based on?
        It has always been interesting to myself, dear Yarosvet, what grounds have hope, especially when it "dies last." Personally, I sympathize with the communists, but Gennady Andreevich is not a leader, so I am amused with the hope that there are no former communists and former KGB officers. Who in our country can now claim the role of the country's leader? If you know, name the candidate, very interesting, only without the option of revolution and putsch.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 12 October 2013 18: 13
          0
          Why should there be a leader who will do everything? After the default, the Primakov government quickly brought economic growth to Chinese speed, though not for long, then Putin and Kasyanov taxied and the country returned to liberalism. No leader needed and leader needed group of normal people like Primakov’s team
          1. Fin
            Fin 12 October 2013 18: 36
            +4
            Quote: New Russia
            Do not need a leader and leader need a group of normal people

            Madame, let it be known to you that in any group, a pack (look in the animal world), organized crime groups are always the main ones. A group is a swan, cancer and pike, and as a result, a mess.
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 12 October 2013 18: 43
              0
              After you remove this leader, as you yourself said, the organized crime group will need just a transitional council, or a transitional government from non-liberal economists such as Delyagin and Khazin.
              1. Fin
                Fin 12 October 2013 19: 16
                +2
                New Russia help the stray to decide who to read and listen to. I have the opinion that you have the only true plan for raising the country. Do not refuse the request.
                1. New Russia
                  New Russia 12 October 2013 19: 24
                  0
                  Not the only true one) There are many of them and I stick to one of them
                  1. Fin
                    Fin 12 October 2013 20: 39
                    0
                    Quote: New Russia
                    Not the only true one) There are many of them and I stick to one of them

                    It is unfortunate that I will remain uneducated by the tundra.
                2. Victor-M
                  Victor-M 13 October 2013 01: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: Fin
                  New Russia help the erring one decide who to read and listen to. I have the opinion that you have the only true plan for raising the country. Do not refuse the request.

                  She has one plan with Thatcher, different from Putin’s plan to build a new Russia, limited by the scope of Moscow, nothing more.
          2. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 12 October 2013 19: 00
            +4
            Quote: New Russia
            No leader needed and leader needed group of normal people like Primakov’s team

            Primakov did absolutely nothing - the growth was due to the weakening of the ruble and normal policy (which against the background of a policy of purposefully bringing the country to default can really seem impressive).
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 12 October 2013 18: 44
          +3
          Quote: Per se.
          what are the reasons for hope, especially when it "dies last"
          The basis is a certain degree of probability.

          former communists and former KGB
          There are no communists, but there are those who dress up "in the clothes" of communists, although they never were.
          As for the KGB officers (from foreign intelligence), it is enough to estimate what the psychotype should be for such a slave to recall the phrase above the gate of Mauthausen.

          Who can claim the role of the country's leader?
          You will not believe - any.
          Not everyone can crawl into power, but anyone can be the first person, since the president is basically a representative-coordinating position.

          I cannot understand in any way - why such a turn on the leadership? Even in rhetoric, the "leader of the country" emerges.
          This, if one may say so, "leader" has long trampled the Constitution, which he is obliged to guarantee.

          If you know, name the candidate
          In many respects I agree with Boldyrev, with Mukhin, with Katasonov - but it seems easier for me than you, since I am not looking for a leader, but for political and socio-economic programs, and the Communist Party programs seem to me more correct than the trepology of Mr. Pu.

          only without the option of revolution and coup.
          Not very fast, but stable and accelerating degradation - is it better?
          1. Fin
            Fin 12 October 2013 19: 24
            +3
            Quote: Yarosvet
            You will not believe - any

            According to the Constitution.
            Quote: Yarosvet
            and the Communist Party’s programs seem to me more correct than trepology

            I also voted for the Communist Party and I like the program. But there is a problem: who will implement it? Or will we admire the program in the kitchen? The leader of the Communist Party has already had a chance in 1996, so what? Any suggestions?
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 12 October 2013 19: 40
              +2
              Quote: Fin
              According to the Constitution
              According to common sense: competence in all spheres of the country's life, although welcomed, is not only optional - it is simply impossible.

              But there is a problem: who will implement it?
              They, you, I are everything.

              The leader of the Communist Party has already had a chance in 1996, so what? Any suggestions?
              The story is muddy, but:
              1 In any case, he will not be able to head the state for a long time due to age - new people will come.
              2 Vova’s chances have been given for 12 years already - as a result, we have a result with a minus sign.
              3 We won’t try - we don’t know, the elections just exist in order to try.
              1. Fin
                Fin 12 October 2013 20: 27
                0
                Quote: Yarosvet
                If we don’t try, we don’t know, elections just exist in order to try.

                The horizon is clear. Where will we look, from whom to try? Out of interest, they try at 16-17 years old and then children. In 1917 we tried it and the program was very good. Then, thanks to the titanic efforts of our grandfathers and fathers, they fought off the "friends", glory to them and the then leader that they had preserved the country. Maybe you don't need to experiment, maybe the price is too high? Will appear intelligible, then we'll see.
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 12 October 2013 21: 25
                  +2
                  Quote: Fin
                  Where will we search, from whom to try?
                  Communist Party, CP-not satisfied? Well, now there’s a lot of parties laughing

                  Try the program, not the person.

                  In 1917 we tried it and the program was very good. Then, thanks to the titanic efforts of our grandfathers and fathers, they fought off the "friends", glory to them and the then leader that the country was preserved.
                  The leader of that time was a coordinator with decisive voting rights - decisions were made collectively.

                  Maybe you don’t need to experiment, can the price be too high? A distinct will appear, then we'll see.
                  No need to scare the price - degradation is evident, the further - the worse.
                  And there will be no leader - in the first place they will do everything to prevent him from showing himself. Secondly - the people who follow him make the leader - do not tear your ass off the couch, do not support the person, and the person will never become a leader.
                  1. Fin
                    Fin 12 October 2013 22: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Try the program, not the person.

                    I don’t understand how to try the program without an implementer.

                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    The leader of that time was a coordinator with decisive voting rights - decisions were made collectively.

                    He listened to everyone, but accepted alone.
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Secondly - the people who follow him make the leader - do not tear your ass off the couch, do not support the person, and the person will never become a leader.

                    So the program seems to be important?
                    I’m not lying on the couch, but I don’t see anyone to support.
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 13 October 2013 12: 44
                      +1
                      Quote: Fin
                      I don’t understand how to try a program without an implementer
                      Did you know a lot about Putin in 2000?

                      He listened to everyone, but accepted alone
                      He claimed, but did not accept.

                      So the program seems to be important?
                      I’m not lying on the couch, but I don’t see anyone to support.
                      The program is the main thing, but you are looking for a leader, and you should not look for him, but do it.
                      And do not confuse the leader with the leader.

                      Have you reread all the programs of all parties whose representatives are close to your rhetoric? I bet that you have not even fully mastered the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
                      1. Fin
                        Fin 13 October 2013 16: 56
                        -1
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Did you know a lot about Putin in 2000?

                        Little. When he became acting, I thought that he was doing what the country needed. And before the election, I did not read his program.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        He claimed, but did not accept.

                        Also an egg, only in profile. First he dictated (corrected), everyone signed and approved.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Have you reread all the programs of all parties whose representatives are close to your rhetoric? I bet you even The Constitution of the Russian Federation was not fully mastered.

                        You can not fight. I have not mastered all programs, even the Constitution, like 95% (or maybe more) of the population. What for?
                        If the presidential candidate writes a program with which I completely agree, but it will be someone like DAM, then let him go through the forest with his program. Because he is not able to fulfill it. And so the absolute majority believes. Depart from scientific theories, communicate with people, and you will be surprised - they did not read the Constitution in full.
                      2. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 13 October 2013 20: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: Fin
                        Little. When he became acting, I thought that he was doing what the country needed. And before the election, I did not read his program
                        And so the majority did (by the way there was no program - there were promises).

                        Also an egg, only in profile. First he dictated (corrected), everyone signed and approved
                        No - exactly asserted. The difference is that "accept" = "dictate", and "approve" = "bureaucratically legitimize the decision taken by the majority."

                        You can not fight
                        Already hit wassat

                        But why?
                        If the presidential candidate writes a program with which I completely agree, but it will be someone like DAM, then let him go through the forest with his program. Because he is not able to fulfill it. And so the absolute majority believes
                        And how do you know that he is not able to fulfill it, if you do not give the opportunity to even try?
                        No - of course, you can estimate the possibilities: for example, it was quite clear that Vova's promises were impracticable without changing the priorities of the distribution system - as a result, they naturally caught the budget sequestration, and in order to avoid this in the future, under the guise of "nationalization" of the Central Bank, the guys are trying to get their hands on the money machine. But the implementation of the program of the same Communist Party of the Russian Federation was possible, since it assumed the nationalization of the mining and processing sectors (which will already increase budget revenues 2 times), as well as state participation in the restoration of production (and these are jobs, social guarantees, an increase in consumption - we have room to grow - which naturally leads to economic growth)
                        They were given a try?
                        Moreover - if earlier the risk of such a test was less (4 years of Duma, 4 president), now this risk has increased by 20% in relation to parties and by 50% in relation to the guarantor (if they turn out to be bad)

                        Depart from scientific theories, communicate with people, and you will be surprised - they did not read the Constitution in full.
                        But at the same time, people are trying to judge politics, doing this not on the basis of knowledge and experience, but on the basis of a star of guys like Fedorov, who are walking in posts after Chubais and appointing themselves Boris Borya Nadezhdin (one of the ideologists of the Union of Right Forces - if you don’t know) .

                        Ulyanov was right, but people, alas, do not understand this ...
                      3. Fin
                        Fin 13 October 2013 22: 54
                        -1
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        No - exactly asserted. The difference is that "accept" = "dictate", and "approve" = "bureaucratically legitimize the decision taken by the majority."

                        Created the appearance of collegial decision making.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Already hit

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        But at the same time, people are trying to judge politics, doing this not on the basis of knowledge and experience, but on the basis of a star of guys like Fedorov, who are walking in posts after Chubais and appointing themselves Boris Borya Nadezhdin (one of the ideologists of the Union of Right Forces - if you don’t know) .

                        Are you in shock? Do you think that without knowledge of the Constitution a person is unable to understand what is happening in the political life of the country and beyond? I do not need to tell who is right and who is not. Somehow myself.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        And how do you know that he is not able to fulfill it, if you do not give the opportunity to even try?

                        Like, let me steer the country for 6 years, but what if it works out. Indeed, why not, let it practice. Did you mean that? And if it doesn’t work out, how much will we disentangle? Yeltsin, Gaidar & K have already steered, the result is known.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        without changing the priorities, the distribution systems are impracticable - as a result, they naturally caught the budget sequestration, and in order to avoid this in the future under the guise of a type of "nationalization"

                        Again, the theory, but it’s better to ask Stepashin, it will be popular for you with the use of FZ-94 and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation who will tell who needs to be sequestered. And the budget will be all right. And you bring the scientific base under the usual theft.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        But the implementation of the program of the same Communist Party was possible, since it assumed the nationalization of the extractive and manufacturing sectors

                        Do you seriously think that at that time it would have gone painlessly? Most wars begin after nationalization. Abramovich and others like him were generously allowed to take property with tribute. And then suddenly the stream runs dry.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Ulyanov was right, but people, alas, do not understand this ...

                        Yes, right, you need to train. And do not tell me what kind of universities ITT graduated from? Correctly! He is a practitioner! Interestingly, but he fully mastered the Constitution?
                      4. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 14 October 2013 11: 31
                        -1
                        Quote: Fin
                        Created the appearance of collegial decision making
                        And why the hell to create an appearance? laughing He either rules alone, or in accordance with applicable law (created and adopted collectively)

                        Do you think that without knowledge of the Constitution a person is unable to understand what is happening in the political life of the country and beyond?
                        A cuddled dwarf crawled around the site here, who did not read the Constitution, but replicated the nonsense of the aforementioned Fedorov.
                        This dwarf repeated for Eugene that Putin is essentially just a notary public who cannot but sign the unconstitutional law (this is despite 3 hours and 80, which obliges the guarantor to comply with the provisions of the Constitution and the existing veto, specified in article 107).
                        Also, the aforementioned dwarf claimed that if the guarantor rests and does not sign the law, he will be convicted and imprisoned (and this, despite 91, declaring the president's immunity, and the unconstitutional 12-FZ declaring immunity for the former president).

                        Not knowing at least the Constitution of your country, you will certainly "understand" what is happening in political life - it is just that your "understanding" will be based on your own conjectures, which have nothing in common with reality.
                        You with full confidence in your innocence and with noodles on your ears will blame the existing problems of amers, liberals, pederasts - anyone, but not the true culprits of the problems, who with renewed vigor will continue to supply you with noodles.

                        Like, let me steer the country for 6 years, but what if it works out. Indeed, why not, let it practice. Did you mean that? And if it doesn’t work out, how much will we disentangle? Yeltsin, Gaidar & K have already steered, the result is known
                        Not - let Vova practice with edrosov (continuing the policy of labeled, EBNya, bad guy). The result is already known, but let them practice - you are ready to tackle them.

                        Again, the theory, but it’s better to ask Stepashin, it will be popular for you with the use of FZ-94 and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation who will tell who needs to be sequestered. And the budget will be all right. And you bring the scientific base under the usual theft
                        Is this the usual theft? Well - for Putin’s period, the usual may also be ordinary.

                        Most wars start after nationalization.
                        Do you have statistics, or post from the bulldozer? Maybe you would declare war on the people and politicians returning the national wealth?

                        Abramovich and others like him were generously allowed to take property with tribute. And then suddenly the stream runs dry
                        Justify - who allowed, to whom the tribute is paid? As I understand it, are you one of those who likes to listen to Fedorov? Well, according to Fedorov, the current 225-FZ on PSAs was canceled in 2004, and he will not tell you about the tribute, there is only 0 evidence.

                        And do not tell me what kind of universities ITT graduated from? Correctly! He is a practitioner! Interestingly, but he fully mastered the Constitution?
                        He was one of those who wrote the Constitution - therefore, he read and knew it completely.
                        As for universities, ask what and how much he read.
                      5. Fin
                        Fin 14 October 2013 19: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        And why the hell to create an appearance? He either rules alone or in accordance with applicable law (created and adopted collegially)

                        So how did he rule? Is he a leader or a leader? Only without tribes. Did he violate the Constitution or not? In general, for me it does not matter, the main thing is the end result.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Without knowing at least the Constitution of your country, you will of course "understand" what is happening in political life - it is just that your "understanding" will be based on your own conjectures, having nothing to do with reality.
                        You with full confidence in your innocence and with noodles on your ears will blame the existing problems of amers, liberals, pederasts - anyone, but not the true culprits of the problems, who with renewed energy will continue to supply you with noodles.

                        I will tell you a little about reality, apparently you are from the moon. In 1992, I ended up with my family in a remote northern garrison. For 9 years, they survived only due to the ration of the prescribed w / sl and the help of their parents. DD was enough only for housing and communal services and to replace cowards, and this is with the Polars and the RK. A gradual improvement began in the 2000s, and has now reached normal levels (not to be confused with rearmament). Guess under whose rule this happened? And after that you propose to me to give someone to steer, with zibzichesky hope and suddenly it will be better? I do not want the mess for my children that caught me in my best years. And you give me, according to the article, part of such and such a Constitution ... I don't need to talk about noodles, I can filter and shoot. I have my own vision of the mess in the country and who allows it. But I do not want a repetition of the 90s as a result of the experiment of the next "advanced theorists" who will then sit in the bushes.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        A single dwarf crawled around the site here

                        Ugly.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Do you have statistics, or post from the bulldozer? Maybe you would declare war on the people and politicians returning the national wealth?

                        If you have a summer residence, try moving the fence half a meter to the territory of a neighbor or c3,14, stay with him for something, and say that it is nationalization. Then tell me.
                        Something did not notice the return of the public domain? And who is this Zorro?
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Justify - who allowed, to whom the tribute is paid? As I understand it, are you one of those who likes to listen to Fedorov? Well, according to Fedorov, the current 225-FZ on PSAs was canceled in 2004, and he will not tell you about the tribute, there is only 0 evidence.

                        You didn’t live in the 90s? But you should know that any illegally acquired capital will have its own Al Capone. And if you consider that the loot in Western banks, then the head organized crime groups there. There will never be evidence - this is clear to the elephant.
                        Thank you, it was nice to talk with you.
                      6. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 14 October 2013 20: 12
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                        Quote: Fin
                        So how did he rule? Did he violate the Constitution or not?
                        Secretary General, Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars, Chairman of the Council of Ministers - administrative coordination posts. He did not rule - the board was collegial, carried out in accordance with the Constitution.

                        And after that you offer me to give someone a taxi, with a zibbish hope, what if it will be better? I do not want for my children a mess that caught me in the best years
                        I suggest looking not only at your family, but also at other families and a little look into the future:
                        The minimum wage in the country is 6 times less than it should and can be (in the 10th year 12% of the PPP GDP per capita, in the 12th already 8%), 85% of the population earns less than 30 tr. per month, medicine and education are degrading, there is reason to believe that sectors of the economy that are not related to the extraction and processing of resources dipped to 25% of the level of 2000, monstrous corruption, non-compliance with laws, violation of the Constitution, etc.
                        All of the above has a strong tendency to develop, that is, the negative is progressing. A country that is a social state is, in fact, neoliberal and rolls towards something very reminiscent of feudalism.

                        Think about where you will be, your children and the remaining 90% of citizens in 10 years.
                        How true is your vision, based not on facts?

                        try moving the fence half a meter to the neighbor’s territory or c3,14, stay with him and say that nationalization
                        With a court order and a support group in the form of bodies (working as the authorities dictate) and ordinary citizens (at the rate of 95 to 5) - elementary.

                        Something did not notice the return of the public domain? And who is this Zorro?
                        Has there already been an attempt to return? Did you give someone that opportunity?

                        But you should know that any illegally acquired capital will have its own Al Capone. And if you consider that the loot in Western banks, then the head organized crime groups there
                        Who, in what way and with whose help did he deduce? Would you be able to do this if the organized crime group was not the current Russian Government?
                      7. Fin
                        Fin 14 October 2013 20: 53
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                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        administrative coordination posts.

                        So now in Fedorov the same thing.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        and a little look into the future:
                        The minimum wage in the country is 6 times less than it should and can be (in the 10th year 12% of the PPP GDP per capita, in the 12th already 8%), 85% of the population earns less than 30 tr. per month, medicine and education are degrading, there is reason to believe that sectors of the economy that are not related to the extraction and processing of resources dipped to 25% of the level of 2000, monstrous corruption, non-compliance with laws, violation of the Constitution, etc.

                        Tomorrow I will gather all the children, hand out the Constitution and begin to explain exactly what you wrote with a request to go to a rally against Putin.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        With a court order and a support group in the form of bodies (working as the authorities dictate) and ordinary citizens (at the rate of 95 to 5) - elementary.

                        Correctly. Now remember: This is not your tooth, and not his, but .... and transfer it to the interstate level. What will happen? Why did we put our tongue in .opu in Cyprus? Yes, because we are still weak, we have not gained weight. And you are nationalization ..
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Who, in what way and with whose help did he deduce? Would you be able to do this if the organized crime group was not the current Russian Government?

                        From 1991 to 2013. Who rules is known. But they are a trifle in all of this. Health must be gained in order to spread the fingers against the naklosaksa.
                      8. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 14 October 2013 22: 03
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                        Quote: Fin
                        So now in Fedorov the same thing.
                        According to Fedorov, but not according to the Constitution.

                        Tomorrow I will gather all the children, hand out the Constitution and start explaining exactly what you wrote with a request to go to a rally against Putin
                        In vain, ulcerate. Even worse, you are trying to find the root of the problem where it does not exist, believing that what this root tells you is true.

                        What will happen?
                        Problems with the supply of food, clothing, etc.
                        But note - nothing is being done so that such problems do not arise - exactly the opposite is being done.

                        Why did we put our tongue in .opu in Cyprus?
                        Yes, it is beneficial to them - and that's stuck.

                        From 1991 to 2013. Who rules is known. But they are a trifle in all of this. Health must be gained in order to spread the fingers against the naklosaksa.
                        At such a pace and methods as it is now, Russia in 50 years can become a healthy dissected corpse.
                        We are not gaining health - we are deliberately degrading.
  • goldfinger
    goldfinger 13 October 2013 11: 53
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    On the spot, of course, you know better, but why is Prokhorov bad? Rich, pretty, smart, good education. He’ll certainly not steal. Yes, and imputed, which is important. Can listen to the opponent.
    Quote: Fin
    A distinct will appear, then we'll see.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 13 October 2013 14: 16
      +1
      Quote: goldfinger
      On the spot, of course, you know better, but why is Prokhorov bad?

      The fact that the system proposed by Prokhorov is a copy of the existing system - sewed on soap.
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 13 October 2013 13: 00
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    Quote: Yarosvet
    They, you, I are everything.

    Everything means nobody. We have already "embodied" socialism together. As a result, there is no country and no one took responsibility at the decisive moment.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 13 October 2013 14: 21
      +1
      Quote: IRBIS
      Everything means no one
      Why?

      We have already "embodied" socialism together
      Tell me - how exactly did you implement it?

      As a result, there is no country, and no one took responsibility at a crucial moment.
      Responsibility is not taken - it is imposed by repressive methods.

      There is no country as a result of which - the building of socialism, or the lack of control of the Government?
  • Per se.
    Per se. 12 October 2013 20: 05
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    Quote: Yarosvet
    You will not believe - any.
    I would believe you, if we live in the States, there, indeed, even a monkey can be made president, the system will work, behind-the-scenes puppeteers. We live in Russia, where the role of the individual has always been crucial. I was even interested here in the astrological factor, you can believe it or not, but it is desirable that the leader be from the "fire signs" (Leo, Aries, Sagittarius) or, moreover, water - Scorpio, earth - Capricorn, the rest, insofar as, but Pisces, Gemini, Aquarius should not be allowed close to the throne, this is not their calling. For example, Gorbachev is Pisces, Khrushchev is Gemini, Yeltsin is Aquarius. Brezhnev was a Sagittarius. Among the leaders of the Second World War, Stalin is Sagittarius, Churchill is Sagittarius, Hitler is Aries, Mussolini is Leo, Roosevelt is Scorpio. Perhaps this is stupid, perhaps there is something in it, in any case, I began to pay attention to this when it comes to finding a leader. About "stable degradation" I will say so, no better, but here the communists need to nominate not Zyuganov, but another person, a strong and authoritative person, and win as a party, not a "historical club".
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 12 October 2013 20: 33
      +2
      Quote: Per se.
      I would believe you, we live in the States, there, indeed, even a monkey can be made president
      Do you remember how Putin was made president? EBN made a New Year’s present and dumped, leaving the dark horse appointed by him, which seemed to perform quite well as acting president, as a result of which many were led away and chose - what is not the monkey controlled by the puppeteers?

      We live in Russia, where the role of personality has always been crucial
      Grandfather Lenin and grandfather Stalin explained that leadershipism is dangerous and its role is, by and large, a fake, but it won’t reach you: is it not clear that you were inspired with the idea of ​​personal indispensability for a certain purpose?

      Communists need to nominate not Zyuganov, but another person, a strong and authoritative person, and win as a party, not a "historical club".
      You need to understand that you should choose not the person, but the program.
      1. Fin
        Fin 12 October 2013 21: 02
        +2
        Quote: Yarosvet
        You need to understand that you should choose not the person, but the program.

        Yarosvet here you have set up a program yes a program. Can write and not very clever, but the ways, means, methods responsible for the execution? Or will everyone be responsible for everything - that is, for nothing? We all know how to write programs, business plans. Theory is good, but then what? When will you appoint a manager for a project, put in an author or someone who really can do it?
        Quote: Yarosvet
        as a result, many were led away and chose - what is not a monkey controlled by puppeteers?

        And what about Obama as an independent president? Of course, the people chose him, but he doesn’t have puppeteers?
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 12 October 2013 21: 34
          +1
          Quote: Fin
          and the ways, means, methods responsible for the execution?
          And where is all this now (especially responsible)?
          Have you read the party programs? There and about the methods and about the ways and about the ways ...

          Or will everyone be responsible for everything - that is, for nothing? We all know how to write programs, business plans. Theory is good, but then what? When will you appoint a manager for a project, put in an author or someone who really can do it?
          What if it doesn’t work out, but what if it doesn’t work out ...
          The guarantor directly violates the Constitution, he does not integrate the country into the world economic system on better conditions, puts people on the brink of survival - do you fear something worse? laughing

          And what about Obama as an independent president? Of course, the people chose him, but he doesn’t have puppeteers?
          Read the post I replied to.
      2. Per se.
        Per se. 12 October 2013 23: 04
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        Quote: Yarosvet
        Grandfather Lenin and grandfather Stalin explained that leadershipism is dangerous and its role is, by and large, a fake, but it won’t reach you: is it not clear that you were inspired with the idea of ​​personal indispensability for a certain purpose?
        How, then, explain the phenomenon of Alexander the Great, Peter I, Napoleon, finally, Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin? Why did some create, thinking about a place in history, about power, while others destroyed, were mediocrity? If the personality is fake, and most importantly the system, the program, why did Gorbachev come and socialism, the Soviet Union, the CPSU fall in our country? Another activist, Yeltsin, almost ruined Russia itself after the Soviet Union, even the Constitution didn’t help here ... Any program personifies, and only a person, a true leader, can achieve the program, otherwise, even the best program will remain good wish.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 13 October 2013 13: 32
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          Quote: Per se.
          How, then, explain the phenomenon of Alexander the Great, Peter I, Napoleon, finally, Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin?
          A stereotype of thinking called faith - you believe in it.

          Why did some create, thinking about a place in history, about power, while others destroyed, were mediocrity?
          As a result of their cultural and psychological stereotypes.

          Understand - not the personality is important, but the system: it is the system that makes the personality significant.
          In the paradigm of the monarchy, personality is of great importance, as it determines the vector of actions, which, like the system, is very difficult to change.
          In the existing paradigm, this is a little easier, but still difficult (and it will be even harder, since the Russian Federation, which is a nomenclature-kleptocratic oligarchy, is steadily moving towards feudalism)
          In the paradigm of power of the Soviets, personality does not matter, since goal-setting is not carried out by an individual or group of people, but by a majority - that is, Soviets and democracy / democracy are the same thing.

          The personality itself does not have political significance - the system gives it that significance, and this significance lies in the desire or unwillingness of the individual to meet the aspirations of the majority in his activity (there is no control mechanism).

          If the personality is fake, and most importantly, the system, the program, why did Gorbachev come and socialism, the Soviet Union, the CPSU fall?
          Because at the time of Stalin's death, the power system of the Soviets was not fully implemented, as a result of which the power groups managed to get away from it completely (leaving the Soviets only representative functions).
          With the labeled one, it’s even more interesting: Andropov, an uncle, brought him to power, on whose way to power there was a series of suspicious deaths of politicians who could lead the USSR.

          Any program personifies
          That is what personifies - no more.

          and only a person, a true leader, can achieve the implementation of the program, otherwise, even the best program will remain a good wish.
          He wants someone who needs it, but if no one supports this someone, then hell he will achieve. The organized crime group also has a leader, and it is definitely true, but the vector of its activity (creation or destruction) is important - and this is already a program.
          The best program will not be implemented if you, I and the rest do not know about it and therefore will not support it.
    2. catapractic
      catapractic 12 October 2013 20: 48
      +1
      "even a monkey can be made president", it is not possible - already done
    3. VADIMKRSK
      VADIMKRSK 13 October 2013 02: 50
      0
      Give ammo, planes, submarines, presidents by horoscope ... Bullshit.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 13 October 2013 10: 15
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        Quote: VADIMKRSK
        Give ammo, planes, submarines, presidents by horoscope ... Bullshit.
        Astrology with its horoscopes is not a panacea and a controversial thing, if you are offended for "your sign", after all, everyone creates their own personality, and there are no rules in life without exceptions. And here "cartridges, planes and submarines", in your attack on the comments of this column with the verdict "delirium", many will not understand.
  • zevs379
    zevs379 12 October 2013 18: 30
    +1
    Quote: Mithridates
    the west has long been seriously ill. Russia, on the contrary, is reborn



    THANKS, CAP
  • Boris63
    Boris63 12 October 2013 15: 40
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    To imply that America does not wish us anything bad (as some hint on this site), in my opinion, is a "clinic". And to promote hatred of America among Russians is also "not good." The USA behaves like a strong teenager among the "younger": either you "obey", or I will "spread rot" on you. So the Americans are trying a policy of "spread rot" against Russia, but it turns out not quite according to the "scenario". Although, Russia is (in my opinion) somewhere in the middle of these opposites. Russia pursues its own policy, but still continues to "carry" money to the MMM under the name of the United States. From time immemorial, the best way to pay off debts is to destroy the creditor, and if it turns out to play off Russia and China, America will get "seven kills in one fell swoop."
  • GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 12 October 2013 15: 58
    +1
    The Americans will die is just a matter of time. A national debt of 70 trillion, a fast outflow of the country's industrial potential to Asia, huge expenditures on the army, a population of 300 million people. All this makes America a hostage and a victim of its own ideals. In less than 20 years from this country and stone on stone will not remain. And we will eat salad and popcorn, looking at the collapse of this enemy.
    1. goldfinger
      goldfinger 12 October 2013 17: 17
      -3
      Dreams, dreams, where is your sweetness? America - 30% of world production! Lying on the stove, and eating salad with "popcorn" (the same product of damned liberal homosexuals), could only be in chocolate Emelya, from a favorite Russian fairy tale. But 140 million will not be piled on the stove, we have to work! And do not crack popcorn, for the delight of enemies!
      Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
      .And we will eat salad and popcorn looking at the collapse of this enemy.
      1. Very old
        Very old 12 October 2013 18: 20
        +2
        And where are you in such a hurry, Yuri? Sinusoidal law. Up and down. But, it seems, from the bottom of the USA it’s impossible to get out. Nobody has changed anything on the beads for a long time.
      2. bomg.77
        bomg.77 12 October 2013 18: 29
        +1
        Quote: goldfinger
        America - 30% of world production
        You probably were mistaken dear, 30% of consumption, from world production, on 4% of the world's population
        1. goldfinger
          goldfinger 12 October 2013 19: 03
          +3
          Sorry, I made a mistake. In nominal terms, the last maximum figures were recorded in 1985 from 32,74% and in 2001 from 32,24% of the share in world GDP.
          According to the International Monetary Fund, in 2010 the share of industrial production and services in the structure of US GDP was 22.1% ($ 3,23 trillion) and 76.8% ($ 11,2 trillion), respectively [8].

          Comparison with the industrial production of other countries, as of 2010: [9]
          US - $ 3 billion
          China - $ 2 billion
          Japan - $ 1 billion
          Germany - $ 921 billion
          Brazil - $ 560 billion
          Russia - $ 539 billion
          I think the United States will not fall apart soon with these numbers. And, in general, the impression that the USSR agreed better and coexisted with the USA than capitalist, democratic, presidential Russia.
          Quote: bomg.77
          You probably were mistaken dear, 30% of consumption, from world production, on 4% of the world's population
          1. Very old
            Very old 12 October 2013 20: 12
            +2
            Are you sure that numbers decide everything? The collapse is unpredictable. 29th confirmation of this. And when it repeats itself, none of the Nobel laureates in Economics ................
          2. Dima67
            Dima67 12 October 2013 20: 31
            +2
            Kindly, stop acting like a mattress pad. And your digital figure is not impressive as it is written on paper, and paper, as you know, will endure everything. And at the expense of the USSR and the USA, then during the Union, no country had any idea to speak with us from a position of strength. And now in some zanyuhanyh countries, our ambassadors are being harassed, and so on. Findings?