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Competition "Emblem of the Russian Army"

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After at the September meeting of the Public Council under the Ministry of Defense of Russia, the participants were shown the options for a single emblem of the Russian army, the caring public, that is, exploded. The overwhelming majority of people who got acquainted with the proposals of the ministerial schedules came to bewilderment - and this is also said softly. To be more precise, people were simply shocked by the fact that the emblem of the Russian army might turn out to be suspiciously resembling something in between the pepsicol logo, the lid of the Vietnamese Starlet and the symbols of the US Army. A heated discussion started, which flared up also because the Ministry of Defense announced a peculiar urgency of the competition. It turned out that the emblem must be accepted and approved as early as October. Read more about this in the article. "13 variants of the emblem" Army of Russia "from the Ministry of Defense, or Artistic Climax".


Competition "Emblem of the Russian Army"


But the first days of October have already passed, and News that some emblem from those presented by the main military department was approved, thank God, no. It can be assumed that either the ministry did hear the criticism that the indifferent citizens had literally rained down on the “graphic variations” of the emblem of the Russian army, or thought about how to make a “move with a horse” - accept the emblem version with a quiet glanders and then, in its final form, to reveal its degree to the world ... I sincerely hope that the first option worked, and that the officials of the ministry, headed by Sergei Shoigu, thought about the possibility of developing new versions of army symbols, which apply to military uniforms and equipment.

By the way, at the very meeting of the Public Council under the Ministry of Defense, with regard to the possibility of alternative authorship of the emblem (including with the help of creative users of the Runet), the following dictum was pronounced: “The Internet is endless, we will not wait for an answer!” also poured into the fire a critical discussion of the new butter. Right there, on the Internet, versions of those very alternative emblems began to walk (this was after the wave of the first “photo-shocked” variations with the predominance of irony over the regular schedules of the main military department), and with the justification of those elements that the artists decided to use in their versions.

One of the most common variants on Runet is the emblem developed by volunteer artists from IDEA2. The authors of the emblem write that they associate the future emblem of the Russian army with pride, and therefore cannot accept the options that they submitted to the Ministry of Defense. In their work, according to the same authors from the IDEA2 project, they took into account several important elements at once, creating an option that, quote: “crosses the whole history Of Russia ”: the drop-shaped shield of the Slavs, the red star is a symbol of the Soviet army, the tricolor“ ticked ”is the emblem (later) of the army of the Russian Empire.





IDEA2 emblem option


After the publication of this version, there were quite a few people who supported it (variant), as many of those who criticized the idea, seeing something in it resembling either the old mask of the hockey goalkeeper, or the helmet of a superhero from overseas comics. There are other options, in some places not without a banter, of course, but they cannot be imagined ... For example, from the SILA bureau:



In general, a heated discussion began again ...

After examining the proposals of creative ministers of the defense, as well as alternative options for, say, free artists, the team of the resource “Military Review” came to the conclusion that, given the number of caring users who daily acquaint themselves with the materials on our website, there may well be people who can create - to the present, a high-quality and deep-seated emblem of the Russian army. Readers are representatives of various professions, and we think that among them there are professionals who are able to realize in practice the idea that is still in the air, but has not yet found its positive artistic expression. We do not designate any fundamental framework in your work, of course, except for the framework of reasonableness and legality. Each reader, who feels the ability to create high-quality graphic material, can provide his own versions of the emblem of the army of the Russian Federation as a commentary to an article describing the essence of individual components of the emblem. Those emblems of users who receive the maximum number of positive votes from readers will constitute the leading group from which the winner emblem of our competition will be chosen. The final stage will be official appeal to the ministry of defense with the proposal to take into account the graphic material that won on our resource. Bearing in mind that the main military department can present its version (final!) At any time, we offer our readers to intensify their creative activities.
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  1. Igor39
    Igor39 12 October 2013 07: 57 New
    116
    I don’t understand what the red star doesn’t like?
    1. borisjdin1957
      borisjdin1957 12 October 2013 08: 35 New
      22
      from the Don.
      And when adopting new symbols, how much you can cut, and you will go down in history like Grachev!
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 12 October 2013 08: 45 New
        61
        The Red Star is a brand, as many aggressors of the star duel under this brand have received, how many soldiers have given up for not living.
        1. vezunchik
          vezunchik 12 October 2013 09: 55 New
          49
          That's why they are afraid of the Red Star! And they poured mud and dirt on it and our Soviet history!
          1. OffenroR
            OffenroR 12 October 2013 17: 56 New
            +1
            For some reason, this emblem reminded me of ice cream. wassat
            1. OffenroR
              OffenroR 12 October 2013 18: 06 New
              16
              But what ... The Red Star is no longer in fashion?
              1. OffenroR
                OffenroR 12 October 2013 18: 12 New
                +2
                And the comrades who are representatives of the “most generous people in the world” also need to change their blue swastika ...

                Let it be better to be red ... so as not to forget how the USSR helped them in creating their country.
                1. faraon
                  faraon 12 October 2013 19: 48 New
                  +7
                  Yes, there is such a symbol in Israel, called Magen David Hell, which means the red shield of David, is installed on all types of vehicles associated with the provision of first aid to victims. Installed on ambulances (ambulances)
                  Regarding the blue magen david on the national flag of Israel. This is a story bequeathed to God by the blue color on the clothes meant the Jews. A white blanket of wool on the edges trimmed with blue wool. This garment is called talit. So King David was a Jew, then naturally his shield was blue. (Six-pointed in the form of a star)
                  1. OffenroR
                    OffenroR 12 October 2013 20: 45 New
                    +9
                    Yes, I wrote for fun wink But in general .... I like the star of David ...it only attracts hatred from around the world.
                    1. Alexander Petrovich
                      Alexander Petrovich 12 October 2013 23: 47 New
                      +9
                      And faith itself, let the moderators forgive me - nationalist and racist, Jews people - and all the other gentiles (non-Jews, animals).
                      1. faraon
                        faraon 13 October 2013 03: 32 New
                        -1
                        You, my dear, are mistaken, and in my opinion, raise a slander in vain on the Jews and the state of Israel. No one humiliates you or insults you. That you don’t like the word goy does not mean anything.
                        Goy in Hebrew is called a different people, a people of a different faith, living by its own rules.
                        In the Jewish religion there is no commandment to kill the goy (which is constantly repeated in the Qur'an, gyaur is infidel)
                        So you prefer goy or gyaur.
                      2. Alexander Petrovich
                        Alexander Petrovich 13 October 2013 16: 03 New
                        +5
                        Well why. the rules of Jewish attitudes towards non-Jews are even written in the Jewish scriptures
                        "In this world, deception is permitted to Jews in relation to the atheists." (Talmud, Sota. F.41, 2).
                        "It is permissible to deceive the goy." (Baba Kama, 113, c).
                        “Christians are idolaters; however, it is permissible for a Jew to trade with them on their holy day, that is, on the first day of the week (Sunday). ” (Talmud, Abodas. F. 2, 1).
                        “Do not give to your brother growth neither silver nor bread, nor anything else that is possible to give to growth; give the stranger to the stature so that the Lord your God bless you in everything that is done by your hands, on the earth into which you go to possess it. ” (Deuteronomy 23:19, 20.)
                        “The property of a goy is an uninhabited corner: whoever first takes possession of him is the master.” (Baba batra, 54, 16).
                        And no one claims that all Jews are bad, simply God's chosen people give the impression of exclusivity, and Vladimir Vladimirovich very well wrote about exclusivity.
                      3. shasherin_pavel
                        shasherin_pavel 15 October 2013 20: 28 New
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Petrovich
                        “Christians are idolaters; however, it is permissible for a Jew to trade with them on their holy day, that is, on the first day of the week (Sunday). ” (Talmud, Abodas. F. 2, 1).

                        If you pay attention to your own religion, then this phrase is in the Old Testament, without mentioning Christians. But if you study the Bible better, then Babylon is the kingdom of the Neurod, which according to the Church Slavonic text was not a "noble hunter", but a "fisher" ... here we must remember the phrase of Jesus: "Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of human souls " This means that the Neurod, as a “catcher of the souls of men” and the founder of the kingdom, Babylon inherited his religion, and the king of Babylon was a servant of God in the conquest of Judea and Jerusalem. His son, returning the Jews back to their homeland, allocated materials and even his people for the restoration of Jerusalem. But the nations surrounding Judea were descendants of Israel, but betrayed faith in one God, and therefore the prohibitions on communicating with them.
                    2. Basileus
                      Basileus 14 October 2013 08: 03 New
                      +1
                      Wrong - a polytheist, this can be clearly seen both historically and in the Qur'an. In Christianity, too, there is no commandment to kill pagans - the time of the emergence of religion was not that)) But as soon as the opportunity arose, Christians began to kill without any commandments.

                      And the fact that the Arabs now prefer to follow dubious individuals who interpret the Qur'an as they see fit is not a religion, but a problem of politics.
                    3. carbofo
                      carbofo 14 October 2013 11: 57 New
                      0
                      Quote: faraon

                      In the Jewish religion there is no commandment to kill the goy (which is constantly repeated in the Qur'an, gyaur is infidel)
                      So you prefer goy or gyaur.

                      And what is the difference, to deceive or kill, and in both cases sin, but religion bleaches him.
                      To call religion, sects with nationalist views! wow, as one girl used to say !.
                      You have a lot of things in terms of Nazi ideas in relation to other nations, but you are saints, how can we express our disrespect to the slaves of the pharaohs!
                    4. shasherin_pavel
                      shasherin_pavel 15 October 2013 20: 15 New
                      0
                      "Goy" is also an Old Russian word, I quote from the Church Slavonic Dictionary of Archpriest Dyachenko released in 1900 p. 947.
                      Purulent or Goy = stately. "Oh, you goy, good fellow." Comp. French the word haut is tall.
                2. shasherin_pavel
                  shasherin_pavel 15 October 2013 20: 08 New
                  0
                  Like our "star" and "sickle and hammer."
              2. Yemelya
                Yemelya 13 October 2013 14: 38 New
                +1
                Quote: faraon
                Yes, there is such a symbol in Israel, called Magen David Hell, which means the red shield of David, is installed on all types of vehicles associated with first aid to victims.

                Quote: faraon
                Regarding the blue magen david on the national flag of Israel. This is a story bequeathed to God by the blue color on the clothes meant the Jews.


                And what veterinarians have the Star of David?
            2. Current 72
              Current 72 12 October 2013 23: 45 New
              +5
              Yeah, and with this sign, blood was dripping with drops. Indeed, this is the country of aggressor. As long as it exists, so much it fights.
              1. faraon
                faraon 13 October 2013 03: 42 New
                0
                I’ll try to convince you of this, since the founding of the state of Israel (1948), 52000 Arab people have died in all wars and military conflicts today. There is a civil war in Syria where radical Islam opposed moderate Islam and has been fighting for the third year. So, in this conflict, already in the order of 150000 civilians, the dead soldiers and officers of the Syrian army and opposition do not go here.
                Understand me correctly, Israel is fighting with the same bearded bandits as Russia in Chechnya. And not with the civilian population as you imagine yourself. And judging by your statement, Israel would be an aggressor, he would have long ago regained the lands described in the Old Testament, and also increased
                1. Geisenberg
                  Geisenberg 13 October 2013 13: 07 New
                  +8
                  Quote: faraon
                  Do not get me wrong. Israel is fighting with the same bearded bandits as Russia in Chechnya.


                  We guys are a little savvy and we understand everything as it should. The devil, as always, is hiding in the little things. Israel considers Assad a bearded bandit, and is fighting a whole country, again as a bearded one, not directly, but vilely - hiding behind the idea of ​​fighting terrorism, they are bombing military targets and trying to kill the most advanced military personnel at the same time. Comparison with Chechnya is not applicable here. The Chechen war is a war within the state, and not outside. We do not fly to Washington or Riyadh to bomb the sponsors of Chechen separatism.

                  Quote: faraon
                  And judging by your statement, Israel would have been an aggressor, then it would have long ago regained the lands described in the Old Testament, and it also increased


                  If that were the case, then in the place of Israel there would now be a huge radioactive hole, and you know about it. There would be no such country as there would be no such concept as Old Testament lands.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 13 October 2013 13: 28 New
                    -4
                    Israel considers Assad a bearded bandit

                    doesn't consider, more precisely a bandit, but not bearded

                    bombing military facilities and trying to kill the most advanced troops at the same time

                    Warned, did not understand, ran into. By the way, I promised revenge, we are waiting. And we would like about the general thing - they would have ruined it a long time ago, but this in no way meets our interests.

                    We do not fly to Washington or Riyadh to bomb the sponsors of Chechen separatism.

                    Well, you are not at war with them, unlike us and Syria
                    If that were the case, then in the place of Israel there would now be a huge radioactive hole, and you know about it. There would be no such country as there would be no such concept as Old Testament lands.

                    And the nickname is not the Old Testament land and is not going to return. And by the way, who would use nuclear weapons? The USSR - what a stupid thing, but you still claim to be savvy
                  2. shasherin_pavel
                    shasherin_pavel 15 October 2013 20: 58 New
                    0
                    When we fought with Chechnya, then we considered this war internal, and Chechnya at that time considered itself the sovereign of Ichkeria, and fought for faith and sovereignty. Or can you name some exiled Chechen government for the initial period of hostilities? It had its own government and Sharia law, and the armed forces. And do not forget that at one time there was a state. award for the conquest of Chechnya. And with Georgia, is this also an internal conflict? when our troops entered Gori. Yes, it was necessary to do this, but you can’t turn a blind eye to what is not of our own free will, but we are the Russians, the most warring country in the last century. So we are aggressors? Get the log out of your eye! The story is such that everyone sees the sins of others and forgets about his own.
                2. carbofo
                  carbofo 14 October 2013 15: 18 New
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                  Quote: faraon

                  Do not get me wrong. Israel is fighting with the same bearded bandits as Russia in Chechnya.

                  Uh, little nuance! we did not expel them from their lands!
                3. OffenroR
                  OffenroR 15 October 2013 15: 00 New
                  0
                  And I do not believe your "old testament" ... There, Jews are presented as "beyond people." And if you look from a historical point of view, the Bible and the Koran have more truth than in the rest of the "holy" waste paper.
                  1. OffenroR
                    OffenroR 15 October 2013 15: 03 New
                    0
                    Just like the Armenians, only they have an unwritten "holy story" that is taken FIG knows where ... It turns out (!) That Ankara is already the original Armenian land ... If this continues, then they will "reach" Moscow
                  2. Kir
                    Kir 15 October 2013 15: 24 New
                    0
                    And you look at the cards how much Great Armenia occupied, and about Armenians at least Ichmiadzin dates back to more than 700 nudes and in Xenophon Cyropedia there is a mention of Armenia, but forgive the XNUMXth century BC. About Moscow, at one time, rumors spread that her Vikings, using the money of those expelled or who came from FIGs, knew where the Jews were built from, and that de Khazars protected Europe from the invasion of hordes, etc., etc., and even finougres on Moscow lands pretend shorter ..... And the same Istanbul forgive the reassignment of the Greek word so those lands were Byzantine.
              2. darksidewarrior
                darksidewarrior 16 October 2013 22: 41 New
                0
                no such state
              3. darksidewarrior
                darksidewarrior 16 October 2013 22: 50 New
                0
                in truth, the world has reasons to dislike slippery Jews
            3. shasherin_pavel
              shasherin_pavel 15 October 2013 20: 46 New
              0
              Once I calculated the history of the USSR from 23 g to 80. So I counted only 8 years when our soldiers did not conduct military operations, even if no war was declared, as was the case with the Basmachi, Hassan, Khalkhin Gol , China and the “Winter Conflict 39-40”, “Liberation Campaign 1939”, “V.O.V.”, Iranian cast “Japanese war, Egypt, Vietnam, Damansk and everything that happened after the perestroika. Or we are the most peaceful country, only because the death of border guards on Damansky is not considered for the war? And in our schools in Monchegorsk during the funeral of border guards from Damansk senior class The sys were empty, the funeral turned into a demonstration, and coffins were carried from the Komsomolskaya Street to the cemetery, and this, if you do not lie km 5 or more. Any "war" in Israel can fit in any of these conflicts. So maybe we are aggressors? "Before you notice a splinter in the eye of another, pull a log from your eye, then you will understand how to do it better."
          2. Vintorez333
            Vintorez333 13 October 2013 02: 52 New
            +2
            Exactly, they must not forget!
        2. Current 72
          Current 72 12 October 2013 23: 40 New
          +8
          They apparently do not like the symbol of the working people, on the red star, namely the SICKLE and HAMMER! After all, the army serves mainly children of the working PEOPLE!
        3. irnis
          irnis 19 October 2013 01: 03 New
          0
          with a hammer and sickle - no longer :(, and without them no matter how you draw - you get an American star or a Vietnamese balm ...
  2. Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 12 October 2013 18: 29 New
    +6
    right, igor. red star and nothing more.
    1. irnis
      irnis 19 October 2013 01: 06 New
      0
      Red Star with Hammer and Sickle!
  • Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 12 October 2013 18: 28 New
    +3
    that's it. I ask you to explain the relevance of this action and the costs, if it is absolutely necessary.
  • experienced
    experienced 12 October 2013 09: 21 New
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    Quote: Igor39
    I don’t understand what the red star doesn’t like?

    Priorities have changed, under Serdyukov they would have accepted an emblem on which the dollar and euro signs would be reflected, Kuzhugetovech is turned on Masonic signs and tinsel, he does not have a cap, but Pinochet’s dream. The most annoying thing is that everything that these creative workers “cast” will have to be worn by our military and “decorated” with this technique. For me, they would first finish re-equipment, and then they would deal with this "tinsel", otherwise we don’t have more importance for the army than what color the planes are painted and what emblem the soldiers wear ...
    This farce is already reminiscent of the film "The same Münhausen":
    Recall all those laid off in reserve. Cancel vacation.
    To build a guard in the central square. Uniform - summer, front.
    Blue uniforms with a gold rim. Sewn sleeve. The lapels are wide.
    The waistline is 10 cm lower than in peacetime.
    Below?
    That is, higher.
    What about the chest?
    What, chest?
    Leave in place?
    No, take it with you.
    1. Orik
      Orik 12 October 2013 09: 42 New
      24
      Kuzhugetovech turned on Masonic signs and tinsel, he does not have a cap, but Pinochet’s dream.

      In-in, and in the form of the Ministry of Emergencies, any African general will be jealous. smile A bunch of dough and no taste.
      1. berserk1967
        berserk1967 12 October 2013 12: 29 New
        +6
        Now he brought the same crap in the army, only the color changed from blue to green.
      2. timer
        timer 12 October 2013 18: 15 New
        +7
        I agree with you 1001%. The form of our senior commanders has become similar to the military uniform of some Babanova republic (for example, African). There is no restraint, solidity and severity of respect.
        And at the expense of the emblem, only RED STAR. AND DOT !!
        1. sso-xnumx
          sso-xnumx 12 October 2013 21: 07 New
          +2
          And the STAR of any bastard !!!
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 12 October 2013 10: 14 New
      +3
      I think the change of logo is like turning over a page of history, like a new logo, like from scratch.
      1. 7Hz
        7Hz 12 October 2013 12: 23 New
        +8
        it was already police-police the name has changed and the essence as it was
        1. Gato
          Gato 12 October 2013 14: 46 New
          18
          Quote: 7Hz
          it was already police-police the name has changed and the essence as it was

          To be continued. Back to the Future:
          1. catapractic
            catapractic 12 October 2013 22: 06 New
            +5
            Tsvei, drive policeman
          2. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 13 October 2013 13: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: Gato
            Quote: 7Hz
            it was already police-police the name has changed and the essence as it was

            To be continued. Back to the Future:


            But the essence is the same - the fascists and those and others.
        2. alexander 2
          alexander 2 14 October 2013 01: 26 New
          +1
          Well, they promised that the people would stop being afraid of the police and executed. They renamed the police into the police. Now the people are afraid of the police.
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    4. mehan71
      mehan71 12 October 2013 18: 51 New
      +2
      Sergey Kuzhegetovich in the form of the Russian army participated in the tank biathlon. the question is that I didn’t see something of such wonderful caps (actually, a pinochet's dream) on our military personnel.
  • yurii p
    yurii p 12 October 2013 10: 14 New
    +6
    because there is a state emblem of Russia, this emblem should be an emblem, if it is the Russian army, and not the Shoigu private army, if the army belongs to the state, it should bear the symbols of this state, otherwise it’s incomprehensible to see a soldier with an incomprehensible emblem, you might think that we were occupied , as with the cop uniform, I did not immediately understand who I met.
    1. Homo
      Homo 12 October 2013 13: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: yurii p
      ... and it is incomprehensible to see a soldier with an incomprehensible emblem, you might think that we were occupied ...

      Something in the Soviet Army there were no state emblems (except for the marshal) and no one confused the SA soldiers with the invaders, although there were enough stars among the Amers and the Chinese and Japanese!
      1. erg
        erg 12 October 2013 19: 05 New
        +1
        A star with a sickle and a hammer belonged to state emblems and were components of the coat of arms of the USSR.
    2. Papakiko
      Papakiko 12 October 2013 13: 13 New
      11
      Quote: yurii p
      there is a state emblem of Russia, this emblem should be the emblem

      What doesn’t interfere in the star, instead of a sickle and a hammer, place an eagle with a shield and all the regalia.
      1. UVB
        UVB 12 October 2013 14: 06 New
        +9
        There is not enough border chevron! wink
        1. Serush
          Serush 12 October 2013 16: 47 New
          +4
          Next to the tank, there is an old border chevron, and your avatar is already new (for the end of the 20th century) - a motorized rifle on a green background.
          1. UVB
            UVB 12 October 2013 17: 31 New
            +5
            Nothing of the kind, I myself am a border guard, I didn’t just set myself such an avatar. Chevrons of this model were introduced with the new form in 1970 and were in use until the replacement of the Soviet form. That chevron is cavalry, and the border guards had the same chevrons as in the SA, only on a green background. And not only with the combined arms emblem, but also with others - automobiles, communications and more. By the way, during the service, I have never seen a chevron with a horseshoe and sabers on a green background, maybe they were where, I don’t know.
            1. Serush
              Serush 12 October 2013 17: 45 New
              0
              That's right, only I had in mind the old PV emblem, a crossed carbine and a saber against the background of a horseshoe (I was not attentive, there are two drafts here). I didn’t see a Chevron with such an emblem, only the buttonholes - and here I look at it. (Not it - it turned out.) Http://www.rkka.ru/iuniform.htm
              Have you seen the blue epaulettes with the letters PV?
              1. UVB
                UVB 12 October 2013 17: 54 New
                +2
                I did not see the blue epaulettes at all. Cornflower was in the KGB, in the rank and file letters GB.
                1. Geisenberg
                  Geisenberg 13 October 2013 13: 10 New
                  0
                  Quote: UVB
                  I did not see the blue epaulettes at all. Cornflower was in the KGB, in the rank and file letters GB.


                  The USSR Air Force had blue shoulder straps, blue nowhere.
                  1. Serush
                    Serush 13 October 2013 14: 00 New
                    0
                    Yes, we used them, after the above manipulations.
                  2. UVB
                    UVB 13 October 2013 18: 20 New
                    0
                    In the Air Force and Airborne were blue and not blue epaulets. Here is an excerpt from the decree of the Presidium of the USSR Armed Forces on the introduction of insignia: Field color epaulettes by combat arms (services):
                    motorized rifle troops, higher combined-arms command and military-political schools, higher military schools of the rear, units, institutions and military schools of justice, medical, veterinary and financial services - red;
                    aviation and airborne troops - blue;
                    artillery, missile, tank, engineering, chemical, railway, road, automobile troops, communications troops, military topographic service units, military construction and pipeline units, military communications service - black;
                    cavalry - light blue;
                    internal troops - maroon;
                    border troops - light green.
                    1. Hleb
                      Hleb 13 October 2013 18: 44 New
                      +1
                      it makes sense to cite this excerpt and state if the shoulder straps were really different in the Air Force and Airborne Forces.
                2. Serush
                  Serush 13 October 2013 14: 00 New
                  0
                  Maybe cornflower blue, only the letters were exactly PV, they gave us 92, they just didn’t sew them, after all, our color is green. They tried to repaint it in green with the help of a fungus remedy (such a medicinal liquid, if you grease a blue cloth, it changed color to green), but it is possible because the color was not blue but cornflower blue, it turned out to be marsh. They removed shoulder straps from the old PN and sewn on the new ones.
                  In confirmation of your words, due to the shortage, we are airborne aviation - took the blue chevrons of the USSR Air Force and with the help of the above solution from a fungus (such a disease), turned it into green.
                  1. UVB
                    UVB 13 October 2013 18: 51 New
                    0
                    I just remembered now, indeed, there was a party of epaulettes with the letters PV for everyday uniforms of an incomprehensible color, some kind of blue-green. I don’t remember in the year 77 or 78. But they were issued only once. And for 92 year it’s not worth talking at all, the time has come quite another.
              2. ammunition
                ammunition 13 October 2013 22: 00 New
                0
                Quote: Serush
                I didn’t see a Chevron with such an emblem, only the buttonholes


                On the way from KECHi .. from the side of the former 406 regiment. and towards the artillery regiment of the Taman Division, the Kavpolk was located. It seems to be the only one in the Union.
                --------
                And chevrons .. And especially the emblems in the buttonholes, they had very good. cool. Copper and large.
                -------
                That's just "on the nightstand" the cavalrymen had to stand with a saber. lol Well, at least not with spurs.
                In general - as expected .. cleaned the horses .. "chopped the vine" for gallop.
            2. erg
              erg 12 October 2013 19: 08 New
              +3
              I’ll fix it a bit. Correctly say emblem stripes, not chevrons. Chevron is a corner (from French), that is, a patch in the form of a corner.
            3. Serush
              Serush 13 October 2013 14: 03 New
              0
              It seems that there was an order for a new form from 1968, but this is not important.
            4. saygon66
              saygon66 13 October 2013 19: 05 New
              0
              - I won’t say for sure, but it seems that in the Alma-Ata region there was a border “training” where horse-drawn guides were prepared for PW.
          2. Kolovrat77
            Kolovrat77 12 October 2013 17: 31 New
            -5
            You are jerking, you are molyams, land is the cavalry chevron.
            1. Serush
              Serush 12 October 2013 17: 46 New
              +2
              Already recognized the jamb. higher.
              1. Serush
                Serush 13 October 2013 14: 09 New
                +1
                Thank you guys for the error - although it’s recognized, do not spread rot, but you support the pluses.
                NICE for this site - AMAZING ..............
        2. rauffg
          rauffg 12 October 2013 18: 52 New
          0
          and chevron car parts.
      2. Gato
        Gato 12 October 2013 17: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Papakiko
        place the eagle with a shield and all the regalia.

        If you noticed, then in the Russian Federation formally the monarchy has not yet been introduced. But everything goes to that.
        1. erg
          erg 12 October 2013 19: 17 New
          +1
          The eagle does not have monarchical regalia. In the Middle Ages, where our coat of arms came from, all these regalia could be present in the arms of the republics as well. As far as they say first of all about the integrity of power, independence, dignity, but not about the presence of a monarch.
    3. Hleb
      Hleb 12 October 2013 16: 08 New
      0
      otherwise I’ll see a soldier with an incomprehensible emblem
      at least you glue the whole chevron with emblems, you won’t understand if you manage to write that there is federal intelligence, and there is local (Caucasian))
  • avt
    avt 12 October 2013 10: 41 New
    +8
    Quote: Igor39
    I don’t understand what the red star doesn’t like?

    laughing
    Quote: vezunchik
    That's why they are afraid of the Red Star! And they poured mud and dirt on it and our Soviet history!

    And nothing needs to be added.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 12 October 2013 16: 54 New
    +1
    The fact that the red star has nothing to do with Russia. It was just when Russia was called a stupid nickname and Russian ... forgotten. Remember - the news mentioned the labor and military achievements of all the peoples of the USSR, except for the Russians. If the surname of the hero was like Sidorov or Ivanov, they said "the feat of the SOVIET people." Could call hometown, but nationality - never! Russian red star was not necessary ...
    1. erg
      erg 12 October 2013 19: 22 New
      16
      Do not talk nonsense. I lived under the Union and I remember very well that the word Russian sounded no less than the Soviet one. Read, if only for example, the lyrics of military poets about the Great Patriotic War. Example:
      Do you remember, Alyosha, the roads of Smolensk,
      As there were endless, evil rains,
      As the krinks brought us tired women,
      Pressing, like children, from the rain to their chest,
      As tears they wiped away,
      As they whispered to us: - Lord, save you! -
      And again they called themselves soldiers,
      As it happened, the time was ripe in the great Russia.

      Tears measured more often than versts,
      There was a path, hiding from the eyes on the hills:
      Villages, villages, villages with graveyards,
      As if on them all of Russia has come together,

      As if for every Russian suburb,
      With the cross of their hands guarding the living,
      With all the world converging, our great-grandparents pray
      For in God do not believe their grandchildren.

      You know, probably, after all the Motherland -
      Not the city house, where I lived festively,
      And these country roads, that grandfathers have passed,
      With simple crosses of their Russian graves.

      I do not know about you, but about me from the village
      The road grief from village to village,
      With a widow's tear and with a female song
      For the first time the war on the roads brought.

      Do you remember, Alyosha: the cottage near Borisov,
      On the dead crying girlish cry,
      A gray-haired old woman in a plait,
      All in white, as if dressed to death, an old man.

      Well, tell them, how could we comfort them?
      But, grief realized with his feminine instinct,
      Do you remember, the old woman said: - Dear,
      As long as you go, we'll wait for you.

      “We will wait for you!” - they told us pasture.
      “We will wait for you!” - said the forest.
      You know, Alyosha, at nights it seems to me,
      That followed me with their voices.

      According to Russian customs, only conflagrations
      On the Russian land,
      Before our eyes, comrades were dying,
      In Russian, shirt ripped on his chest.

      Bullets with you are still being pampered.
      But, three times believing that life is all over,
      I was still proud for the sweetest,
      For the bitter land where I was born,

      For the fact that on her die bequeathed to me,
      That the Russian mother gave birth to us,
      What, in the fight to see us off, a Russian woman
      I hugged three times in Russian.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 12 October 2013 20: 49 New
        0
        I read. I somehow received a prize in a pioneer camp for Terkin smile The last to speak of Russians as a great nation was Stalin. From there is your example. So after all, he often used the phrase Soviet Russia. In our time, there was such a newspaper ... the Russians were gone.
        Very much the bosses were and are afraid of us. Even my immensely respected president, and that ... little ruff ... Try to find old issues of Soviet newspapers and magazines. I guarantee the opposite experience. Alas...
        1. philosopher
          philosopher 14 October 2013 12: 32 New
          0
          "The last to speak of Russians as a great nation was Stalin."

          Thank you for this fair remark. Under the leadership genius, both the Country and the Army were able to solve any, even impossible tasks.
          The people in the country were proud of Stalin, Stalin in front of the whole world recognized the word and deed showed the greatness of the Russian people!
          However, after Stalin, the overwhelming majority of the leadership of the USSR and the Russian Federation looks wretched. To what these pygmies brought a great country ...
          By the way, what can you say about Alexander III? This king no less knew his country and its capabilities. It’s not possible to find much information about him, but he knew for sure that Russia has only two faithful allies: its Army and its Fleet. (aviation and other things did not exist then). And he knew for sure that if he fishes, for example, then "Europe can wait." He was not very humiliated before European diplomats, and in response to the threat to introduce four divisions into the Balkans, he twisted a cupronickel teaspoon in a knot and handed it to the Austrian ambassador with the words: “This is what I will do with your divisions.” Or a well-known example of the collapse of his train, when Alexander III was torn to keep the collapsed roof of the car while passengers were evacuated and the wounded dragged out!
          In the entire history of Russia, alas, there have been few cases when, in difficult times, the loyal son of his Fatherland was in the leading place.
          (Sorry, if anyone doesn’t like it, I won’t discuss it, this is my opinion.)
      2. common man
        common man 12 October 2013 21: 00 New
        -1
        please name the author.
        to be honest, to tears.
        1. erg
          erg 12 October 2013 21: 13 New
          +4
          Konstantin Simonov. Do you remember Alyosha’s roads in Smolensk ... (1941)
        2. alexander 2
          alexander 2 14 October 2013 01: 35 New
          0
          the layman is sorry please pressed the wrong button.
      3. Azaat
        Azaat 13 October 2013 00: 55 New
        0
        Since my grandfather was a veteran, and I had a favorite grandson of his, as I used to think bzik, take me to a meeting of veterans. There were stories about how they drank at the last sowing season, how they drank a grandson from someone, or how much firewood was needed for the winter, but not just one memory of the war. It’s not what Terkin will not help.
  • catapractic
    catapractic 12 October 2013 22: 04 New
    +3
    not liberal however, and that's not happy
  • Vintorez333
    Vintorez333 13 October 2013 02: 49 New
    +3
    Most are comfortable. Why they vyzhivayutsya, it is not clear. ???
  • datur
    datur 13 October 2013 12: 25 New
    +2
    [quote = Igor39] I don’t understand what the red star doesn’t like? - I AGREE ALL THE ENEMIES, remember and are afraid of our RED STAR, so let him continue to be afraid !!!! laughing
  • Mohomax
    Mohomax 13 October 2013 18: 46 New
    0
    Europeans do not like the red star, their bad memories remained after their unpleasant memories left in their genetic memory that they were given heat so why should the military themselves in the profession have to give heat not to come up with an emblem with which it would be more fun to let foreigners know what their place in the world and where should they go to make their claims
  • Maks111
    Maks111 14 October 2013 06: 53 New
    0
    Karlosk, Shutterstock.com Many may not know that the history of the five-pointed star in Russia began long before the 1917 revolution and takes its roots in another revolution - the French one. It was in France at the turn of the 1th-1827th centuries that stars appeared on epaulettes and headgear of officers and generals, determining their rank. In this case, the pentagram derived its justification from the mythology of Ancient Rome, where it symbolized Mars and depicted the lily from which this god of war was born. Under the influence of the French, Emperor Nicholas I introduced a pentagram to the Russian army. On January 29, 1854, gold forged stars appeared on epaulettes, and on April 21, 1917, already embroidered adorned the epaulets introduced. After the February Revolution, the Provisional Government canceled epaulettes, but did not refuse the “Mars Star”. On April XNUMX, XNUMX, the Minister of War and Naval A. Guchkov places a five-pointed star on the fringes of sailors' cap - directly above the anchor. However, the “Martian star" proved most vivid after another revolution - the Great October Revolution. No sooner had the young Soviet government begun to form the Red Army, when there was an urgent need for new symbols. This was largely due to the fact that in the fire of the Civil War, the warring parties were often dressed in the clothes of the same cut and in battle it was not easy to distinguish strangers from their own. So in the symbolism of the Land of Soviets the famous red five-pointed star first appears.

    Source: http://shkolazhizni.ru/archive/0/n-50016/
  • Lech from our city
    Lech from our city 12 October 2013 07: 57 New
    19
    Some stars are reminiscent of the symbols of the US Army - in the world, many may not understand this, they will FIRING WITHOUT WARNING.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 12 October 2013 09: 20 New
      +9
      The white star looks a lot like an American sign.
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 12 October 2013 07: 58 New
    23
    but I thought I had already thrown this crazy idea out of my head what
    1. My address
      My address 12 October 2013 08: 29 New
      10
      That would be the best solution.
      1. bask
        bask 12 October 2013 09: 23 New
        11
        Quote: My address
        I thought I had already thrown this crazy idea out of my head

        Hi Andryukh.
        Ktozh it (idea) will throw, a chainsaw is already cooked, gos..obloo too.
        Waiting for the team to cut, billions will go to this *******. Instead of MO to buy T-90, BMD-4M, BMPT2, and so on.
        Sawed at the heart, continue to cut now.

        "" saw Shura, saw "" " lol
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 12 October 2013 09: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: bask
          Hi Andryukh.

          healthy, Andryukh. look at the cuts with optimism, since there is something to cut, then the treasury is not empty wassat
          1. bask
            bask 12 October 2013 09: 59 New
            11
            Quote: andrei332809
            sludges with optimism, since there is something to cut, the treasury is still not empty

            But it doesn’t make it any easier for us that some member, government, will build a castle on the Cote d'Azur and buy a yacht the size of an aircraft carrier.
            The army will not receive new armored vehicles, etc. d .... (and if the war, the children of ordinary people will die heroically again). The sons of these ***** have long been over the hill. And they are not going to come to Russia.
            "" "the head of the Duma committee on family, women and children, Elena Mizulina and her son ..... the place of work of the offspring Elena Mizulina, an ardent opponent of abortion, divorce and same-sex love. It turned out that Nikolai Mizulin has long been a partner in the well-known law firm in Belgium "" "
            http://www.ridus.ru/news/94361/
            1. andrei332809
              andrei332809 12 October 2013 10: 10 New
              +4
              good
              Quote: bask
              Nikolay Mizulin has long been a partner in a well-known law firm in Belgium "" "

              Andrei, you forgot to add that this law firm frantically defends the rights of homosexuals and gives them priority
              1. bask
                bask 12 October 2013 10: 35 New
                +6
                Quote: andrei332809
                that this law firm frantically defends the rights of homosexuals and gives

                In the continuation of the article there is such infa, and he himself can also homo tongue (practical).
                I’m talking about something else, streams of foreign ... guano ... are poured on our heads again so that we would believe that this is necessary for the army. There are no other worries in the Ministry of Defense.
                I have already visited that Shoigu did not even attend the arms exhibition in E. Tagil.
                He is the head of the Moscow Region, Rossi, who is not interested in new developments in the military-industrial complex.
                There is a real info .. the war of the domestic media against its people. By pushing anti-people’s laws and projects.
                Как
                Competition "Emblem of the Russian Army
                1. andrei332809
                  andrei332809 12 October 2013 11: 21 New
                  +4
                  Quote: bask
                  There is a real info .. war of the domestic media,

                  Andrei, do not read newspapers and do not watch the news, do not spoil your stomach drinks
                  1. bask
                    bask 12 October 2013 12: 19 New
                    +8
                    Quote: andrei332809
                    do not read newspapers and do not watch the news-do not spoil your stomach

                    Andrei, but I don’t read. The wife watches the telly, the sound is full.
                    Here, it sounds, characteristic sounds ....
                    About ,, Bolshevism does not agree. And the rest is in the DOT-Classic, however. good
  • os9165
    os9165 12 October 2013 08: 01 New
    +7
    The final stage will be an official appeal to the Ministry of Defense with a proposal to take into account the graphic material that won on our resource. - It is more expedient if the ministry itself announces an all-Russian competition. More weighty and more productive, without any petitions. Council of Moscow Region.
  • olegff68
    olegff68 12 October 2013 08: 32 New
    +6
    It is not clear why this is necessary at all, and it is not visible with an armed look that the “public men” worked on the emblems, which is called with soul and heart, and not just for show.
  • Bugor
    Bugor 12 October 2013 08: 35 New
    15
    Why a competition? Throughout the world, the red star is our symbol. Why do I need to change something? The Germans have been racing with crosses since time immemorial - and somehow everyone knows that this is German. Red circle - try to guess who? That's right, the Japanese.
    If MO has nowhere to go, I agree to free help. :)
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 12 October 2013 08: 49 New
      +9
      maybe because of the red star among the Chinese? whoever disassembles our “rulers” of them suddenly admit a war with China, and they also have equipment from our slime, respectively similar + they have a red star on it. but it is so thinking out loud
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 12 October 2013 20: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Starfish
        whoever understands our "rulers" will suddenly admit a war with China
        I do not presume to guess about the Russian "rulers", but the Chinese, it seems, very much admit. They often have reservations in the English press, either about the unjust borders imposed by the tsarist government, or about interest in the development of the Arctic Ocean. I don’t read the Chinese press (there’s a solid Chinese letter, I don’t understand a normal person), but I can imagine what they write there. It's like Palestinian leaders, they say peace in English, and jihad in Arabic.
    2. IRBIS
      IRBIS 12 October 2013 10: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: Bugor
      If MO has nowhere to go, I agree to free help. :)

      Excuse me, are you in line for help from the Moscow Region? I am behind you.
  • Zhenya
    Zhenya 12 October 2013 08: 36 New
    14
    If they nevertheless get to delirium with a change of symbolism, then the best option is with the hero’s shield, others are simply wretched.
  • rinat1955
    rinat1955 12 October 2013 08: 44 New
    -47
    What kind of country is Russia like? Our state is called differently ... Personally, I was not hired to fight for the Russians! ! Even here they bring discord.
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 12 October 2013 08: 46 New
      12
      And what is your state called? Nothing that 80% of the population are Russian, no? What the hell are you talking about?
    2. Starfish
      Starfish 12 October 2013 09: 13 New
      +4
      You probably celebrated the day of the driver yesterday? not awake yet?
      1. Zhenya
        Zhenya 12 October 2013 09: 18 New
        0
        Starfish You specify to whom you write, and if you tell me, I personally did not understand you repeat
        1. Starfish
          Starfish 12 October 2013 09: 33 New
          +4
          Starfish you specify to whom to write, and if you are to me, I personally did not understand you

          Yes, no, it's me Rinat, like a sane person, according to the comments, but here he gave out such nonsense
    3. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 12 October 2013 09: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: rinat1955
      What kind of country is Russia like? Our state is called differently ... Personally, I was not hired to fight for the Russians! ! Even here they bring discord.

      Constitution of the Russian Federation
      Article 1
      1. The Russian Federation - Russia is a democratic federal state with a republican form of government.
      2. The names of the Russian Federation and Russia are equivalent.
    4. IRBIS
      IRBIS 12 October 2013 10: 15 New
      +8
      Quote: rinat1955
      What kind of country is Russia like?

      Yesterday, well, oh, oh, really good?
      Quote: rinat1955
      Our state is called differently ...

      Who do you have?
      Quote: rinat1955
      Personally, I was not hired to fight for the Russians!

      But Russian cripples for war are not hired, they always somehow manage ...
      Quote: rinat1955
      Even here they bring discord.

      Do you even understand what you wrote? Or has miracle grass not yet let go?
    5. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 12 October 2013 10: 32 New
      +6
      Quote: rinat1955
      . Personally, I was not hired to fight for the Russians!
      And who were they hired for? And you are aware that for all adversaries, Russians are all people who live in Russia, well, if it’s so important for you, in the Russian Federation. The enemy will not be able to sort through the slot, who is there, Russian, Tatar or Yakut. And they will not ask for a passport. And if you are hired to fight only for your farm, or village, or whatever you have, then you will finish the others and come to you. I hope the parable about the broom and twigs do not need to be reminded?
    6. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 12 October 2013 11: 19 New
      +4
      Idel-Ural? Ja. Ja ...
    7. ratnik
      ratnik 12 October 2013 11: 30 New
      +6
      And where do you live ..- the horse is ..... distant (he doesn’t want to fight for the Russians))), I gave the Mordvin and the oath to the fatherland, if I go first voluntarily, and the last name obliges me smile
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 October 2013 08: 47 New
    12
    Quote: Marrying
    If they nevertheless get to delirium with a change of symbolism, then the best option is with the hero’s shield, others are simply wretched.

    I also liked the hero’s shield .. but I’m still against all such stupid reforms with renaming change of signs Restore the Army first!
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 12 October 2013 08: 50 New
      +7
      I agree, but if they choose, it’s better to have a Slavic shield, we must remember who we are!
  • rinat1955
    rinat1955 12 October 2013 08: 47 New
    +7
    With a shield, a knight is fine ... BUT RED STAR on technology, and on hats - a brand! Right now let's get into fights in the deserts, what kind of Pashtuns will understand these new emblems?
    If at least one soldier of our country wakes up because of a new emblem, kill the developers!
  • AK-47
    AK-47 12 October 2013 08: 48 New
    17
    Why change, than the old symbolism is bad.
  • dizelniy
    dizelniy 12 October 2013 08: 50 New
    +3
    Question to the site. Why does Messer fly on your screensaver? Here are the emblems from there.
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 12 October 2013 10: 22 New
      +5
      This is an advertisement for WOW (world of warplfnes), and what the advertiser decided to put on the splash screen was
    2. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 12 October 2013 10: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: dizelniy
      on the screen saver flies Messer?

      Where did you see the messer? If in the background, then this is a screen saver from Wargaming, a partner of the site. There are questions to him.
      1. dizelniy
        dizelniy 12 October 2013 14: 54 New
        +3
        Messer in the foreground, look carefully, this technique in psychology is called manipulation bypassing consciousness, advertise La-5, I hope you are from Russia?
        1. Max otto
          Max otto 12 October 2013 20: 42 New
          +1
          It’s definitely not Messer, it’s just an airplane, without special features, but it’s not iron German, it looks like Yak, LaGG or Spitfire, and looks a bit like Aerocobra.
          1. dizelniy
            dizelniy 13 October 2013 09: 52 New
            0
            Hanging tank and the contours of the lantern of the cabin, engine hood. The fact that this is not a Yak is unequivocal.
  • UVB
    UVB 12 October 2013 08: 50 New
    +8
    Why reinvent the wheel? Take on the basis of sleeve chevrons of the combat arms of the Soviet model. And recognizably, and with Amerovsky nothing to do, and look very personal.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 12 October 2013 09: 41 New
      +3
      Chevrons are also possible, only stars without a hammer and a sickle, I'm sorry but these are not military symbols, but symbols of one of the parties ....
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 12 October 2013 11: 53 New
        +1
        Military joke: Brezhnev is going to die, calls Stalin the other world: “Well, how are you Joseph Vissarionovich?” Stalin: “Nothing, everything’s all right.” Brezhnev: “Well, what’s necessary to take with you?” Stalin: Yes, you don’t need anything, everything is there, take only more sickles and hammers. "Brezhnev: Why ??? !!!. Stalin: Yes, when Hitler intervenes on the canteen on duty, he makes you eat with a hammer and sickle !!! laughing
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 October 2013 08: 51 New
    +5
    Yes, and even remove those "emblems" that strongly resemble road signs with signs.
  • Delink
    Delink 12 October 2013 08: 53 New
    +9
    Our logo should be fundamentally different from the rest.
    And what did not suit the good old chevrons?
    Each chevron indicated belonging to the military branch.
    And everything was clear. Definitely another cut of money begins.
    We are waiting for the Nth amount announced after approval.

    For fun)))))
    Draw the globe with all the continents and the Coat of Arms, sign the "World Russian Army". (Irritant for amers)
    1. VOLCHOXURAL
      VOLCHOXURAL 13 October 2013 10: 48 New
      +3
      For fun)))))
      Draw the globe with all the continents and the Coat of Arms, sign the "World Russian Army". (Irritant for amers)
      Like so? wink
  • Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 12 October 2013 08: 59 New
    +5
    With a shield, it turned out pretty good.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 12 October 2013 09: 39 New
      +7
      A shield with a star can really be an alternative to the labels that Shoigu offered.
      The shield is an ancient symbol of protection, the red background is traditionally the color of the Russian and Soviet armies, and of course the star is the world emblem of the armies, the stars were also present in the Imperial symbols (epaulets) and of course the Soviet star.
  • SIBIR38RUS
    SIBIR38RUS 12 October 2013 09: 04 New
    12
    Now we have stars, and there will be stars! This is our story. let's close the topic! The continuation and invention of new symbolism is the shame of the country, nonsense and absurdity ...
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 12 October 2013 09: 20 New
      +7
      The stars are not so long ago by the standards of history (100 years), but to clean the stars is a crime!
      1. maxvet
        maxvet 12 October 2013 10: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: Marrying
        Stars not so long ago by the standards of history (100 years),

        Actually, the stars in the Russian army are older, if you mean the Red Star, then for about 100 years, and as the insignia they will be older, from the tsarist times, in my opinion, from the middle of the 19th century (although I can be wrong, correct who knows more precisely)
        1. erg
          erg 12 October 2013 21: 31 New
          +2
          Since the 20s of the 19th century, on officer epaulettes.
  • avkeys
    avkeys 12 October 2013 09: 16 New
    14
    All from the category of the traffic police - the traffic police, the police - the police, traffic signs on a white background - signs on a yellow background and so on. The unambiguous goal of all this is to cut budget funds. We are not talking about any image, image, safety, reliability and other positive factors. These reformers drool out of their mouths only at the thought of reforming something and numbers with long zeros are dizzy. What kind of buzz do you have to be in order to offer such caricature symbolism? It seems that they grabbed from everywhere a little (not even from the best sources) and lousy the hodgepodge in 10 minutes and sit in anticipation of imminent changes and cash flows for another meaningless reform. Leave it the old way, damn it, ghouls! It is necessary to reform what is no longer working and does not make sense. Our symbolism causes pride, has a history, inspired and inspires fear in enemies. Do not touch the holy !!!
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 October 2013 09: 24 New
    +6
    Quote: SIBIR38RUS
    Now we have stars, and there will be stars! This is our story. let's close the topic! The continuation and invention of new symbolism is the shame of the country, nonsense and absurdity ...

    I agree! and still all these renaming and change of symbolism in our huge country are worth a lot of money to change everything! It smells of corruption ...
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  • Delink
    Delink 12 October 2013 09: 29 New
    23
    These were chevrons.
    1. bask
      bask 12 October 2013 13: 12 New
      +7
      Quote: Delink
      These were chevrons.

      And in the Navy.
      1. erg
        erg 12 October 2013 21: 37 New
        0
        For reference. Patches of this kind were introduced back in the tsarist army.
    2. erg
      erg 12 October 2013 21: 36 New
      +2
      It is a question of changing the identification mark for application on the technique, and not on sleeve patches. Such already have a new sample, based on state. symbols and departmental armature (a sign of artillery, etc., etc.), in accordance with the Russian military tradition, and Soviet as well.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 12 October 2013 09: 33 New
    +7
    Quote: xetai9977
    The white star looks a lot like an American sign.

    Sir Henry and Barrymore smoke cigars, - "Barrymore you look like a pi with this cigar ... ah," - "well sir, I will look the other way."
  • Seaman
    Seaman 12 October 2013 09: 34 New
    10
    The red star is almost a hundred years old a symbol of the Soviet (Russian) army! Under it, as much as she is known all over the world! Who knows, for example, the symbolism of the Greek army? And everyone knows ours! Why then fence the garden? I don’t understand what this is all about. It is necessary to restore the Army, but there is symbolism, verified by deeds and time!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 12 October 2013 10: 13 New
      10
      Quote: Seaman
      The red star is almost a hundred years old a symbol of the Soviet (Russian) army!

      That is precisely why they are trying to remove it by all means. It really hurts the USSR!
      1. erg
        erg 12 October 2013 21: 38 New
        +1
        Yes, but she’s on the banner of the armed forces.
  • DesToeR
    DesToeR 12 October 2013 09: 35 New
    10
    Red (scarlet) color is the color of Russians and only Russians. Of all that I see, I think the best is the hero’s shield. The Russians have always been a shield on earth from unrighteousness, a defense of the weak. The star must be left on the technique of love, and scarlet and not blue / white or something else. And finally, the Minister of Defense should be ashamed in front of the fathers and grandfathers for all this garbage
  • rinat1955
    rinat1955 12 October 2013 09: 39 New
    -18
    For those especially stupid, not knowing the name of their country, I tell you, our country is called the RUSSIAN FEDERATION, once again, who did not understand RUSSIAN FEDERATION
    what kind of state education RUSSIA is - I personally did not find it on the map!
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 12 October 2013 09: 45 New
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      look at the constitution. Russian Federation-Russia (names are equivalent)

      Article 1

      1. The Russian Federation - Russia is a democratic federal state with a republican form of government.

      2. The names of the Russian Federation and Russia are equivalent.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 12 October 2013 10: 01 New
      +5
      Rinat is like an adult, and you don’t know the country of Russia, Starfish answered you correctly, recalling the Constitution. Rather, you naturally dissemble or even laugh that you don’t know the country of Russia, just based on your name, it’s better for your “ear” to be the Russian Federation.
      1. consul
        consul 12 October 2013 11: 10 New
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        This is one of the signals that it is time to remove all sorts of countries and republics and make normal provinces, or else they have played out in sovereignty. In us, in the Kazan province, some believe that they live in another country.
    3. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 12 October 2013 11: 28 New
      +6
      Complaint: I look - on the fence. UY is written, but looked in - 3,14-dy received. Conclusion - do not believe everything that is written!
    4. IRBIS
      IRBIS 12 October 2013 13: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: rinat1955
      For those especially stupid, not knowing the name of their country, I tell you,

      For the gifted, who know a lot, I recommend reading the Constitution.
    5. Homo
      Homo 12 October 2013 13: 16 New
      +6
      Quote: rinat1955
      For those especially stupid, not knowing the name of their country, I tell you, our country is called the RUSSIAN FEDERATION, once again, who did not understand RUSSIAN FEDERATION
      what kind of state education RUSSIA is - I personally did not find it on the map!

      You still look at foreign cards - there is generally written!
      1. Azzzwer
        Azzzwer 13 October 2013 10: 56 New
        +3
        Actually, RUSSIA is not written on foreign maps, but Russia, Russie, Russland, which means Russia, the Land of Russes. And for you, rinat1955 - even your foreign owners recognize that you live on Russian soil.
  • Seaman
    Seaman 12 October 2013 09: 42 New
    +5
    Quote: Delink
    These were chevrons.

    These were chevrons.

    I completely agree! And then we’ve been rushing for 30 years and can’t come to anything. You don’t understand where who and what. Like a dad Makhno-who is what a lot!
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 12 October 2013 09: 43 New
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    Personally, I like Soviet symbols more. She is extremely stylish, original and to the sensation of feeling really native. I, in order to annoy our, Latvian, Gutta-percha Nazis - sometimes I fix a small embroidered Soviet coat of arms on the windshield. What a pleasure to look at the reaction of the impotent spite of our descendants of the SS-sheep and other trash - this is something. So I doubt whether they can come up with something more stylish and fair.
    1. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 12 October 2013 10: 37 New
      +6
      At least for something to remind the fascists and revenge-seekers it is already worth leaving the Soviet symbols of a glorious past.
  • Seaman
    Seaman 12 October 2013 09: 45 New
    +3
    Quote: rinat1955
    For those especially stupid, not knowing the name of their country, I tell you, our country is called the RUSSIAN FEDERATION, once again, who did not understand RUSSIAN FEDERATION
    what kind of state education RUSSIA is - I personally did not find it on the map!

    There are still in brackets (RUSSIA)!
  • rinat1955
    rinat1955 12 October 2013 09: 50 New
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    Quote: Marrying
    And what is your state called? Nothing that 80% of the population are Russian, no? What the hell are you talking about?


    Great! And the remaining 20%? what should the army be called? The army of Chechnya? Amia of Tatarstan?

    Who does not know, 80% of Russians do not have their natural wealth! In the interfluve of the Volga and Oka - empty! Alone forests! And everything else - the annexed territories ... the Balts have fallen off, Central Asia, where did you get the idea that the Urals and Siberia will not fall off? You will be like Ukrainians with a bare booty jumping. If you don’t temper your great-power chauvinism (the term of the Jew Ulyanov), you will be jumping along the Christmas trees like them!
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 12 October 2013 09: 53 New
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      still I’ll probably take my words about you, that you are a sane person.
    2. Janis SU
      Janis SU 12 October 2013 10: 05 New
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      Quote: rinat1955
      won the Balts fell off


      But you, dear, lied. We did not fall off. If it were not for leapfrog in Russia (RSFSR), then we would all be together. The fish rots from the head. It was thanks to your Yeltsin, all kinds of liberal trash and active propaganda against the Soviet Army that everything happened. No wonder I, the Latvian (!!!), while still a fourth-year cadet, heard phrases addressed to them - they say, the occupier, and that the people are tired of feeding us, parasites, that we are sitting on his hump. Do you know where I heard this for the first time? In Tver! Who would have thought! Not in Latvia, but in the original Russian territories. What then can we talk about at all, given the republican nationalist ghouls that emerged from all their cracks? The Baltic states did everything slowly and a little bit, waiting for when they would hit the brazen and smelly national-separatist paws. The center endured everything, and the internal Russian fermentation, led by declassed Yeltsin and other liberal lumpen hangers, who were directly interested in the collapse and destruction of the Soviet Union, which gnawed at its flesh more and more gnawed at the state foundations. What they achieved, they got it - a piece fell off and they, moreover, the largest. Spit them all, like ours, was on the people. On the former brotherhood and the common glorious history. The tears and unimaginable grief that subsequently occurred throughout the former Soviet Union - the persecution of Russian speakers, defamation disagreeing with nationalist politics, almost civil wars, severe impoverishment, population decline, and so on and so forth. The main thing is to snatch. So it’s not worth it from a bad mind to a healthy one, I ask you - it’s not worth it.
      1. Azzzwer
        Azzzwer 13 October 2013 11: 04 New
        +1
        Well done, it’s said a lot!
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 12 October 2013 10: 16 New
      +7
      Quote: rinat1955
      And the rest of 20%? what should the army be called? The army of Chechnya? Amia of Tatarstan?

      Do these 20% have their own army? belay
    4. feanor
      feanor 12 October 2013 10: 25 New
      14
      Quote: rinat1955

      Great! And the remaining 20%? what should the army be called? The army of Chechnya? Amia of Tatarstan?

      Who does not know, 80% of Russians do not have their natural wealth! In the interfluve of the Volga and Oka - empty! Alone forests! And everything else - the annexed territories ... the Balts have fallen off, Central Asia, where did you get the idea that the Urals and Siberia will not fall off? You will be like Ukrainians with a bare booty jumping. If you don’t temper your great-power chauvinism (the term of the Jew Ulyanov), you will be jumping along the Christmas trees like them!


      Uuu, how sad everything is with you, and now let’s imagine that the Russians would be like the Americans, where now there would be peoples whom Russia had won in the whole history, they would have exterminated most of them, and drove out the rest on the reservation and then no one would carry such nonsense like you, because there would simply be no one to do this.
    5. consul
      consul 12 October 2013 11: 16 New
      +8
      Quote: rinat1955
      And the remaining 20%?

      The remaining 20% ​​are members of the composition of Russia , and serve (their sons and daughters) in Russian The army.
      1. Zhenya
        Zhenya 12 October 2013 11: 21 New
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        Forgive me Rinat for such words, but you enemy.
  • Seaman
    Seaman 12 October 2013 09: 50 New
    +6
    Quote: rinat1955
    For those especially stupid, not knowing the name of their country, I tell you, our country is called the RUSSIAN FEDERATION, once again, who did not understand RUSSIAN FEDERATION
    what kind of state education RUSSIA is - I personally did not find it on the map!

    Look at the map carefully! Or contact an optometrist!
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 12 October 2013 09: 50 New
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    Quote: rinat1955
    For those especially stupid, not knowing the name of their country, I tell you, our country is called the RUSSIAN FEDERATION, once again, who did not understand RUSSIAN FEDERATION
    what kind of state education RUSSIA is - I personally did not find it on the map!


    If it were not for the shaky coward and the limp rag Gorbachev with the alkonaut and degenerate Borka Yeltsin, the country was called as it should be - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Too much sweat and blood was shed on the altar of gathering these lands by our common ancestors ... That is the essence and salt.
    1. Firstvanguard
      Firstvanguard 12 October 2013 10: 36 New
      +8
      History makes a turn, once the USSR returned, like a phoenix, to the place of the perished Russian Empire. It was also destroyed by liberalists, lumpen and hawks. But it turned out not what they expected, and now not everything is going according to plan soldier
    2. Asgard
      Asgard 12 October 2013 16: 27 New
      +3
      The man.
      but, the USSR is already past, in power a flock of 'jackals' are trying to get rid of the symbols of WINNERS ....
      Very much, Symbols, they do not like, from here draw conclusions- which side are they on))

      Now about the Name and the words in the title ....
      RF and RUSSIA are the accepted official names of what we live in
      The army is the colloquial designation of the Armed Forces ...
      that is, in Symbolism they want to apply the inapplicable (to shove the uncanny-illiterate masses)))
      no such formation is the Russian Army or the Russian Army
      there are armed forces or branches(I will not list, you, unlike the Minister of Defense, are People and and literate)))
      Make a star not a bad symbol, even despite the fact that the kabbalistic sign))) BUT the symbols control the “animal” system of the psyche, and We are Slavs - People and we better image ::: Birds (Rurik)) individual animal
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      2. Asgard
        Asgard 12 October 2013 16: 56 New
        +2
        The red star is a good symbol, even despite the fact that the Kabbalistic sign))), But the symbols control the "animal" system of the psyche, and We are Slavs - People and we better image:
        Birds-(Rurik, falcon, eagle, owl) and not two-headed mutants)))
        The individual animal (tiger, leopard, bear), and not a goat herd (as in United Russia))

        In general, it’s understandable why Serezha imposes Amer signs on us, I recently wrote about the Masonic tseta and flags (banned))
        Why do Masons use such a color scheme? This is a separate song, it would be necessary to put it on the All Russian website and here is the link)))

        And from the presented to us - SHIELD the most attractive Badge of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation during the "reform itch"
        We remember that it was the shield that the Slavs nailed to the gate, the warrior carried it everywhere with him, and even dying, he returned home to the shield, like a Hero ....
        And miss the demagoguery from the official (Jewish) history that representatives of other nations did it ....
        Warriors are only among People and This Rus .....
    3. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 13 October 2013 11: 07 New
      0
      Once again, well done!
  • rinat1955
    rinat1955 12 October 2013 09: 50 New
    -11
    give a link to the country of Russia, I will carefully consider ...
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 12 October 2013 11: 30 New
      +2
      American Slang - RASHA. Understand?
    2. Homo
      Homo 12 October 2013 13: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: rinat1955
      give a link to the country of Russia, I will carefully consider ...

      They already wrote to you - Read the Constitution!
    3. strannik595
      strannik595 12 October 2013 19: 33 New
      +1
      a shelf of skulls arrived ........... my regards fool , yet a bad entity appeared (through "h")
  • rinat1955
    rinat1955 12 October 2013 09: 53 New
    -4
    Is it not clear that all this fuss with the change of symbolism leads to a weakening of the army? Take a close look at the nationality of the authors and implementers of this idea.
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  • Seaman
    Seaman 12 October 2013 09: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: rinat1955
    Is it not clear that all this fuss with the change of symbolism leads to a weakening of the army? Take a close look at the nationality of the authors and implementers of this idea.

    And here I agree with you! They want to beat, Corrode memory, traditions!
  • Boris55
    Boris55 12 October 2013 10: 06 New
    0
    This is a matter of habit. Who means what. If you google on the internet a lot of things to learn a lot about the star. If we want to have a symbol recognizable not only in Russia but also in the world, then the rest would have to take it into account.

    When I was little I did not understand why our star is on American technology? Then he learned that the star is used in its symbolism by many more states ...

    So to whom does the star belong and who marks their possessions with this symbol?
    To date, I have one answer - this is the Rothschild clan.

    ps
    An oblique cross is drawn on the St. Andrew’s flag, and who knows who in Russia they crucified him? Whom before, and whom back to the people?

    Three-color striped flags are a symbol of belonging to the Vatican.
    1. rinat1955
      rinat1955 12 October 2013 10: 16 New
      -11
      Please note that a two-headed official does not offer chicken, namely a star .... they mark, mark the Rothschilds their territory
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 12 October 2013 10: 27 New
        +8
        Rinat, you smell of Tatar nationalism.
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 12 October 2013 13: 35 New
          +2
          REPEAT: Remember, dear drawing of the man Leonardo inscribed in the pentacle. He what? Also from the Rothschilds?
        2. Hauser
          Hauser 12 October 2013 13: 44 New
          +3
          Rinat, you smell of Tatar nationalism.
          Yes, I realized that he’s missing a crescent star.
      2. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 12 October 2013 10: 45 New
        +9
        Yes, any character can be defunct. As the Slavic swastika, the symbol of the sun, was so blasphemed by the Nazis, it disgusts most people. But, it should be noted that the Germans left their crosses in spite of the fact that they are a serious complex from the time of the Reich
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 12 October 2013 11: 26 New
          0
          I think that if it is a symbol of the state, it should be unambiguously perceived throughout the world.
      3. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 12 October 2013 13: 33 New
        +1
        Remember, a respected drawing of a man Leonardo inscribed in a pentacle. He what? Also from the Rothschilds?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 12 October 2013 15: 18 New
          0
          Do you mean this picture?
    2. Janis SU
      Janis SU 12 October 2013 10: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: Boris55
      ps On the St. Andrew’s flag, an oblique cross is drawn, and who knows who in Russia they crucified him? Whom before, and whom back to the people?


      Why are you, dear, so inconsistent? Tell you about flags and other trinket-heraldic rubbish of other countries with all kinds of crosses and crosshairs? The star, by the way, and you could not mix it up with the American one, was red in the Soviet Army. It is such a color that it looks like blood. Have you had wounds on your arms or legs? Here is the liquid that flowed from them just the same color. Say, by definition or by default. Otherwise - without any doubt or axiomatically. Soviet army symbols did not resemble anyone else at all. The Americans have a star, usually with blunt rays and white. Let's say the color of your ceiling or plain paper. It is necessary to point out facts or, if not possessing knowledge or real ideas, discuss the same Greek mythology.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 12 October 2013 10: 30 New
        -1
        My parents had a black-and-white TV at that time, and there were no color newspapers ... for a long time it was ... when I was small and did not understand such subtleties ...

        ps
        How long will it take to explain to the Papuans that this is our star, but this is not ours? and if he is color blind?
      2. poquello
        poquello 12 October 2013 16: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Janis SU
        The star, by the way, and you could not mix it up with the American one, was red in the Soviet Army. It is such a color that it looks like blood. Have you had wounds on your arms or legs? Here is the liquid that flowed from them just the same color. Say, by definition or by default. Otherwise - without any doubt or axiomatically. Soviet army symbols did not resemble anyone else at all.

  • rinat1955
    rinat1955 12 October 2013 10: 15 New
    0
    So to whom does the star belong and who marks their possessions with this symbol?
    To date, I have one answer - this is the Rothschild clan.

    Yeah ... here they are the fourth kaganate and build. It is on the territory of the Russian Federation that China’s nuclear strikes do more harm to China itself (wind rose) than to the Rothschild possessions. Hedgehog understandable, 10-20 years, and China will not just compare, but will be able to destroy this country in North America.
    1. MVS
      MVS 12 October 2013 15: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: rinat1955
      So to whom does the star belong and who marks their possessions with this symbol?
      To date, I have one answer - this is the Rothschild clan.

      Well, given that the oldest (Neolithic) examples of the five-pointed star are known in Asia Minor, Iran, Mesopotamia and Crete, and it was known as a revered emblem by the Japanese and American Indians, then the Rothschilds should have unlimited influence from the dawn of civilization and by the whole planet.
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  • DesToeR
    DesToeR 12 October 2013 10: 33 New
    +5
    A star, as a symbol, does not belong specifically to anyone. This is a very ancient symbol. But the Scarlet Star is a symbol of the Russians. Tricolor is the flag of the Romanovs, but the Russians collected the land long before the Romanovs. And the banners under which these lands gathered were scarlet. The double-headed eagle, the same symbolism is not ancient, so the knight’s shield or crossed axes are more suitable symbolism for the Russians. I would write the answer to the question: “what is a double-headed eagle?”, But this is an official symbol ... Although the ruby ​​stars on the Kremlin looked much calmer and majestic in their dominion.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 12 October 2013 10: 34 New
    +7
    If we proceed from the drawing rules, then it should be approximately ... well, something like that
    1. BIGLESHIY
      BIGLESHIY 12 October 2013 16: 52 New
      +4
      In our factory, it’s precisely such stars that are applied to repaired turntables
      1. Strashila
        Strashila 12 October 2013 17: 54 New
        0
        I missed with the background ... I had to ... gray-ball ... in addition, consider that the thickness of the blue and white is different ... so that it looks proportionate .... this is the concept.
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 12 October 2013 10: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: Boris55
    My parents had a black-and-white TV at that time, and there were no color newspapers ... for a long time it was ... when I was small and did not understand such subtleties ...


    winked smile Well then, a completely different matter.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 12 October 2013 10: 42 New
    +5
    If, according to the rules of drawing, the sign should look something like this ...
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 12 October 2013 10: 42 New
    +4
    Quote: Knizhnik
    At least for something to remind the fascists and revenge-seekers it is already worth leaving the Soviet symbols of a glorious past.


    And you know .., this is perhaps the most capacious commentary directly on the case. Sincerely, Janis. good
  • Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 12 October 2013 10: 49 New
    +4
    If there are such problems, let them announce the All-Russian competition such as how they choose for olympiads, etc. with a normal prize pool, here not only artists, but schoolchildren and pensioners will fill up with good sketches.
  • Ivan Denikin
    Ivan Denikin 12 October 2013 10: 49 New
    +5
    The emblem of the Army is its face. It should remind the soldiers and people of our heroic past, and at the same time instill fear in the enemies who are thinking to come to us with a sword. The basis is to take the uniquely red STAR, symbols of the Navy, Airborne Forces and other military branches. This is the real symbol of the Army. What I saw in the article is horror and mockery of entire generations of soldiers and officers. The artists obviously did not serve on the dollar feed and in the Army.
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 12 October 2013 10: 50 New
    +6
    Late for the beginning of the article, but maybe for the better. I looked through the reviews and perked up after the proposed emblems. The people as a whole are for the Red Star, I too. This symbol of our army will soon be 100 years old, it’s time to calm down and stop breaking history.
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 12 October 2013 11: 00 New
    +4
    Quote: Orik
    Kuzhugetovech turned on Masonic signs and tinsel, he does not have a cap, but Pinochet’s dream.

    In-in, and in the form of the Ministry of Emergencies, any African general will be jealous. smile A bunch of dough and no taste.

    The Dembelean Armed Forces are sheathed less in shape than our valiant Ministry of Emergency Situations, as if in the army statutory form did not get to this!
  • crambol
    crambol 12 October 2013 11: 00 New
    +3
    Quote: AlexVas44
    This symbol of our army will soon be 100 years old, it’s time to calm down and stop breaking history.

    I fully support. But unfortunately in the Moscow region there will always be those who want to "inherit" in history and smear something from the above-mentioned series.
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 12 October 2013 11: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: Delink
    These were chevrons.

    I agree, we’re ready to remove the sickle and hammer from the star, paint it in tricolor and chevrons, especially the “new” form of the sun, this is the old form of the late 80s !!!
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 12 October 2013 11: 06 New
    +8
    Quote: Ivan Denikin
    The artists obviously did not serve on the dollar feed and in the Army.


    Yes, such comparisons obviously smell like a dollar.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 12 October 2013 13: 02 New
      +2
      Wikipedia has all the identifying symbols for the air forces of most countries of the world, dozens of military aviation look like the American emblem, a global trend, but this does not touch us emblems from Shoigu is nonsense.
    2. sergeschern
      sergeschern 12 October 2013 16: 50 New
      +2
      As Zhirinovsky used to say: UNDEFINEDLY - SCAMS!
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 12 October 2013 11: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: DesToeR
    I would write the answer to the question: "what is a two-headed eagle?",


    Such an answer already exists in the literature: U_r_o_d, Your Honor!