Competition "Emblem of the Russian Army"

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After at the September meeting of the Public Council under the Ministry of Defense of Russia, the participants were shown the options for a single emblem of the Russian army, the caring public, that is, exploded. The overwhelming majority of people who got acquainted with the proposals of the ministerial schedules came to bewilderment - and this is also said softly. To be more precise, people were simply shocked by the fact that the emblem of the Russian army might turn out to be suspiciously resembling something in between the pepsicol logo, the lid of the Vietnamese Starlet and the symbols of the US Army. A heated discussion started, which flared up also because the Ministry of Defense announced a peculiar urgency of the competition. It turned out that the emblem must be accepted and approved as early as October. Read more about this in the article. "13 variants of the emblem" Army of Russia "from the Ministry of Defense, or Artistic Climax".

Competition "Emblem of the Russian Army"


But the first days of October have already passed, and News that some emblem from those presented by the main military department was approved, thank God, no. It can be assumed that either the ministry did hear the criticism that the indifferent citizens had literally rained down on the “graphic variations” of the emblem of the Russian army, or thought about how to make a “move with a horse” - accept the emblem version with a quiet glanders and then, in its final form, to reveal its degree to the world ... I sincerely hope that the first option worked, and that the officials of the ministry, headed by Sergei Shoigu, thought about the possibility of developing new versions of army symbols, which apply to military uniforms and equipment.

By the way, at the very meeting of the Public Council under the Ministry of Defense, with regard to the possibility of alternative authorship of the emblem (including with the help of creative users of the Runet), the following dictum was pronounced: “The Internet is endless, we will not wait for an answer!” also poured into the fire a critical discussion of the new butter. Right there, on the Internet, versions of those very alternative emblems began to walk (this was after the wave of the first “photo-shocked” variations with the predominance of irony over the regular schedules of the main military department), and with the justification of those elements that the artists decided to use in their versions.

One of the most common variants on Runet is the emblem developed by volunteer artists from IDEA2. The authors of the emblem write that they associate the future emblem of the Russian army with pride, and therefore cannot accept the options that they submitted to the Ministry of Defense. In their work, according to the same authors from the IDEA2 project, they took into account several important elements at once, creating an option that, quote: “crosses the whole history Of Russia ”: the drop-shaped shield of the Slavs, the red star is a symbol of the Soviet army, the tricolor“ ticked ”is the emblem (later) of the army of the Russian Empire.





IDEA2 emblem option


After the publication of this version, there were quite a few people who supported it (variant), as many of those who criticized the idea, seeing something in it resembling either the old mask of the hockey goalkeeper, or the helmet of a superhero from overseas comics. There are other options, in some places not without a banter, of course, but they cannot be imagined ... For example, from the SILA bureau:



In general, a heated discussion began again ...

After examining the proposals of creative ministers of the defense, as well as alternative options for, say, free artists, the team of the resource “Military Review” came to the conclusion that, given the number of caring users who daily acquaint themselves with the materials on our website, there may well be people who can create - to the present, a high-quality and deep-seated emblem of the Russian army. Readers are representatives of various professions, and we think that among them there are professionals who are able to realize in practice the idea that is still in the air, but has not yet found its positive artistic expression. We do not designate any fundamental framework in your work, of course, except for the framework of reasonableness and legality. Each reader, who feels the ability to create high-quality graphic material, can provide his own versions of the emblem of the army of the Russian Federation as a commentary to an article describing the essence of individual components of the emblem. Those emblems of users who receive the maximum number of positive votes from readers will constitute the leading group from which the winner emblem of our competition will be chosen. The final stage will be official appeal to the ministry of defense with the proposal to take into account the graphic material that won on our resource. Bearing in mind that the main military department can present its version (final!) At any time, we offer our readers to intensify their creative activities.
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    1. +116
      12 October 2013 07: 57
      I don’t understand what the red star doesn’t like?
      1. +22
        12 October 2013 08: 35
        from the Don.
        And when adopting new symbols, how much you can cut, and you will go down in history like Grachev!
        1. +61
          12 October 2013 08: 45
          The Red Star is a brand, as many aggressors of the star duel under this brand have received, how many soldiers have given up for not living.
          1. +49
            12 October 2013 09: 55
            That's why they are afraid of the Red Star! And they poured mud and dirt on it and our Soviet history!
            1. OffenroR
              +1
              12 October 2013 17: 56
              For some reason, this emblem reminded me of ice cream. wassat
              1. OffenroR
                +16
                12 October 2013 18: 06
                But what ... The Red Star is no longer in fashion?
                1. OffenroR
                  +2
                  12 October 2013 18: 12
                  And comrades who are representatives of "the most generous people in the world" also need to change their blue swastika ...

                  Let it be better to be red ... so as not to forget how the USSR helped them in creating their country.
                  1. faraon
                    +7
                    12 October 2013 19: 48
                    Yes, there is such a symbol in Israel, called Magen David Hell, which means the red shield of David, is installed on all types of vehicles associated with the provision of first aid to victims. Installed on ambulances (ambulances)
                    Regarding the blue magen david on the national flag of Israel. This is a story bequeathed to God by the blue color on the clothes meant the Jews. A white blanket of wool on the edges trimmed with blue wool. This garment is called talit. So King David was a Jew, then naturally his shield was blue. (Six-pointed in the form of a star)
                    1. OffenroR
                      +9
                      12 October 2013 20: 45
                      Yes, I wrote for fun wink But in general .... I like the star of David ...it only attracts hatred from around the world...
                      1. +9
                        12 October 2013 23: 47
                        And faith itself, let the moderators forgive me - nationalist and racist, Jews people - and all the other gentiles (non-Jews, animals).
                        1. faraon
                          -1
                          13 October 2013 03: 32
                          You, my dear, are mistaken, and in my opinion, raise a slander in vain on the Jews and the state of Israel. No one humiliates you or insults you. That you don’t like the word goy does not mean anything.
                          Goy in Hebrew is called a different people, a people of a different faith, living by its own rules.
                          In the Jewish religion there is no commandment to kill the goy (which is constantly repeated in the Qur'an, gyaur is infidel)
                          So you prefer goy or gyaur.
                        2. +5
                          13 October 2013 16: 03
                          Well why. the rules of Jewish attitudes towards non-Jews are even written in the Jewish scriptures
                          "In this world, deception is permitted to Jews in relation to the atheists." (Talmud, Sota. F.41, 2).
                          "It is permissible to deceive the goy." (Baba Kama, 113, c).
                          “Christians are idolaters; however, it is permissible for a Jew to trade with them on their holy day, that is, on the first day of the week (Sunday). ” (Talmud, Abodas. F. 2, 1).
                          “Do not give to your brother growth neither silver nor bread, nor anything else that is possible to give to growth; give the stranger to the stature so that the Lord your God bless you in everything that is done by your hands, on the earth into which you go to possess it. ” (Deuteronomy 23:19, 20.)
                          “The property of a goy is an uninhabited corner: whoever first takes possession of him is the master.” (Baba batra, 54, 16).
                          And no one claims that all Jews are bad, simply God's chosen people give the impression of exclusivity, and Vladimir Vladimirovich very well wrote about exclusivity.
                        3. 0
                          15 October 2013 20: 28
                          Quote: Alexander Petrovich
                          “Christians are idolaters; however, it is permissible for a Jew to trade with them on their holy day, that is, on the first day of the week (Sunday). ” (Talmud, Abodas. F. 2, 1).

                          If you are attentive to your own religion, then this phrase is in the Old Testament, without mentioning Christians. But if you study the Bible better, then Babylon is the kingdom of Nevrod, who, according to the Church Slavonic text, was not a “noble hunter” but a “fisher” ... here you need to remember the phrase of Jesus: “Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of human souls ". It means that the Neurod as "the fisherman of the souls of men" and the founder of the kingdom of Babylon inherited his religion, and the king of Babylon was a servant of God during the conquest of Judea and Jerusalem. His son, having returned the Jews back to their homeland, allocated materials and even his own people for the restoration of Jerusalem. But the peoples surrounding the Jews were the descendants of Israel, but who betrayed the faith in one God, and therefore the prohibitions on communication with them.
                        4. +1
                          14 October 2013 08: 03
                          Wrong - a polytheist, this can be clearly seen both historically and in the Qur'an. In Christianity, too, there is no commandment to kill pagans - the time of the emergence of religion was not that)) But as soon as the opportunity arose, Christians began to kill without any commandments.

                          And the fact that the Arabs now prefer to follow dubious individuals who interpret the Qur'an as they see fit is not a religion, but a problem of politics.
                        5. 0
                          14 October 2013 11: 57
                          Quote: faraon

                          In the Jewish religion there is no commandment to kill the goy (which is constantly repeated in the Qur'an, gyaur is infidel)
                          So you prefer goy or gyaur.

                          And what is the difference, to deceive or kill, and in both cases sin, but religion bleaches him.
                          To call religion, sects with nationalist views! wow, as one girl used to say !.
                          You have a lot of things in terms of Nazi ideas in relation to other nations, but you are saints, how can we express our disrespect to the slaves of the pharaohs!
                        6. 0
                          15 October 2013 20: 15
                          "Goy" is also an Old Russian word, I am quoting the Church-Slavonic Dictionary of Archpriest Dyachenko, published in 1900, p. 947.
                          Goyny or Goy = stately. "Oh, you goy-you, good fellow." Wed French the word haut is high.
                      2. 0
                        15 October 2013 20: 08
                        As well as our "star" and "hammer and sickle".
                    2. Yemelya
                      +1
                      13 October 2013 14: 38
                      Quote: faraon
                      Yes, there is such a symbol in Israel, called Magen David Hell, which means the red shield of David, is installed on all types of vehicles associated with first aid to victims.

                      Quote: faraon
                      Regarding the blue magen david on the national flag of Israel. This is a story bequeathed to God by the blue color on the clothes meant the Jews.


                      And what veterinarians have the Star of David?
                  2. Current 72
                    +5
                    12 October 2013 23: 45
                    Yeah, and with this sign, blood was dripping with drops. Indeed, this is the country of aggressor. As long as it exists, so much it fights.
                    1. faraon
                      0
                      13 October 2013 03: 42
                      I’ll try to convince you of this, since the founding of the state of Israel (1948), 52000 Arab people have died in all wars and military conflicts today. There is a civil war in Syria where radical Islam opposed moderate Islam and has been fighting for the third year. So, in this conflict, already in the order of 150000 civilians, the dead soldiers and officers of the Syrian army and opposition do not go here.
                      Understand me correctly, Israel is fighting with the same bearded bandits as Russia in Chechnya. And not with the civilian population as you imagine yourself. And judging by your statement, Israel would be an aggressor, he would have long ago regained the lands described in the Old Testament, and also increased
                      1. +8
                        13 October 2013 13: 07
                        Quote: faraon
                        Do not get me wrong. Israel is fighting with the same bearded bandits as Russia in Chechnya.


                        We guys are a little savvy and we understand everything as it should. The devil, as always, is hiding in the little things. Israel considers Assad a bearded bandit, and is fighting a whole country, again as a bearded one, not directly, but vilely - hiding behind the idea of ​​fighting terrorism, they are bombing military targets and trying to kill the most advanced military personnel at the same time. Comparison with Chechnya is not applicable here. The Chechen war is a war within the state, and not outside. We do not fly to Washington or Riyadh to bomb the sponsors of Chechen separatism.

                        Quote: faraon
                        And judging by your statement, Israel would have been an aggressor, then it would have long ago regained the lands described in the Old Testament, and it also increased


                        If that were the case, then in the place of Israel there would now be a huge radioactive hole, and you know about it. There would be no such country as there would be no such concept as Old Testament lands.
                        1. -4
                          13 October 2013 13: 28
                          Israel considers Assad a bearded bandit

                          doesn't consider, more precisely a bandit, but not bearded

                          bombing military facilities and trying to kill the most advanced troops at the same time

                          Warned, did not understand, ran into. By the way, I promised revenge, we are waiting. And we would like about the general thing - they would have ruined it a long time ago, but this in no way meets our interests.

                          We do not fly to Washington or Riyadh to bomb the sponsors of Chechen separatism.

                          Well, you are not at war with them, unlike us and Syria
                          If that were the case, then in the place of Israel there would now be a huge radioactive hole, and you know about it. There would be no such country as there would be no such concept as Old Testament lands.

                          And the nickname is not the Old Testament land and is not going to return. And by the way, who would use nuclear weapons? The USSR - what a stupid thing, but you still claim to be savvy
                        2. 0
                          15 October 2013 20: 58
                          When we were at war with Chechnya, we considered this war to be an internal one, while Chechnya at that time considered itself a sovereign Ichkeria, and fought for faith and sovereignty. Or can you name a Chechen government in exile for the initial period of hostilities? It had its own government and Sharia law and armed forces. And do not forget that at one time there was a state. award "For the conquest of Chechnya". And with Georgia, is this also an internal conflict? when our troops entered Gori. Yes, it had to be done, but we must not close our eyes to something that is not of our own free will, but we are the Russians, the most belligerent country in the last century. So we are the aggressors? Get the log out of your eye! History is such a thing that everyone sees the sins of others and forgets about his own.
                      2. 0
                        14 October 2013 15: 18
                        Quote: faraon

                        Do not get me wrong. Israel is fighting with the same bearded bandits as Russia in Chechnya.

                        Uh, little nuance! we did not expel them from their lands!
                      3. OffenroR
                        0
                        15 October 2013 15: 00
                        And I do not believe your "old testament" ... There, the Jews are presented as "over people." And if you look at it from a historical point of view, there is more truth in the Bible and the Koran than in all the rest of the "holy" waste paper.
                        1. OffenroR
                          0
                          15 October 2013 15: 03
                          Just like the Armenians, only they have an unwritten "holy history" that comes from figs knows where ... It turns out (!) That Ankara is already the original Armenian land ... If this continues, then soon Moscow will "reach"
                        2. Kir
                          0
                          15 October 2013 15: 24
                          And you look at the cards how much Great Armenia occupied, and about Armenians at least Ichmiadzin dates back to more than 700 nudes and in Xenophon Cyropedia there is a mention of Armenia, but forgive the XNUMXth century BC. About Moscow, at one time, rumors spread that her Vikings, using the money of those expelled or who came from FIGs, knew where the Jews were built from, and that de Khazars protected Europe from the invasion of hordes, etc., etc., and even finougres on Moscow lands pretend shorter ..... And the same Istanbul forgive the reassignment of the Greek word so those lands were Byzantine.
                      4. 0
                        16 October 2013 22: 41
                        no such state
                      5. 0
                        16 October 2013 22: 50
                        in truth, the world has reasons to dislike slippery Jews
                    2. 0
                      15 October 2013 20: 46
                      Once I counted the history of the USSR from 23 to 80. So I counted only 8 years when our soldiers did not conduct hostilities, even if no war was declared, as was the case with the Basmachi, "Khasan", "Khalkhin-Gol" , China and "Winter Conflict 39-40", "Liberation Campaign 1939", "VO V", Iranian Throw "Japanese War, Egypt, Vietnam, Damansk and everything that happened after perestroika. Or are we the most peaceful country, only because we don't consider the death of border guards on Damanskoye a war? And in our schools in Monchegorsk, during the funeral of border guards from Damansk, the senior classes were empty, the funeral turned into a demonstration and from Komsomolskaya Street to the cemetery they carried coffins in their arms, and this is if not lie km. 5 or more. Any "war" in Israel can fit into any of the above conflicts. So maybe we are the aggressors? "Before you notice a splinter in the eye of another, pull the log out of your eye, then you will understand how to do it better." ...
                  3. +2
                    13 October 2013 02: 52
                    Exactly, they must not forget!
                2. Current 72
                  +8
                  12 October 2013 23: 40
                  They apparently do not like the symbol of the working people, on the red star, namely the SICKLE and HAMMER! After all, the army serves mainly children of the working PEOPLE!
                3. irnis
                  0
                  19 October 2013 01: 03
                  with a hammer and sickle - no longer :(, and without them no matter how you draw - you get an American star or a Vietnamese balm ...
          2. +6
            12 October 2013 18: 29
            right, igor. red star and nothing more.
            1. irnis
              0
              19 October 2013 01: 06
              Red Star with Hammer and Sickle!
        2. +3
          12 October 2013 18: 28
          that's it. I ask you to explain the relevance of this action and the costs, if it is absolutely necessary.
      2. +38
        12 October 2013 09: 21
        Quote: Igor39
        I don’t understand what the red star doesn’t like?

        Priorities have changed, under Serdyukov they would have adopted an emblem on which the dollar and euro signs would be reflected, Kuzhugetovech would be turned on Masonic signs and tinsel, he has not a cap, but Pinochet's dream. The most offensive thing is that everything that these creatives "navayut" will have to be worn by our military and "decorated" with this technique. For me, the rearmament would be completed first, and then they would be engaged in this "tinsel", otherwise we do not have more important for the army than what color planes to paint and what emblem to wear to soldiers ...
        This farce is already reminiscent of the movie "The Same Munghausen":
        Recall all those laid off in reserve. Cancel vacation.
        To build a guard in the central square. Uniform - summer, front.
        Blue uniforms with a gold rim. Sewn sleeve. The lapels are wide.
        The waistline is 10 cm lower than in peacetime.
        Below?
        That is, higher.
        What about the chest?
        What, chest?
        Leave in place?
        No, take it with you.
        1. +24
          12 October 2013 09: 42
          Kuzhugetovech turned on Masonic signs and tinsel, he does not have a cap, but Pinochet’s dream.

          In-in, and in the form of the Ministry of Emergencies, any African general will be jealous. smile A bunch of dough and no taste.
          1. +6
            12 October 2013 12: 29
            Now he brought the same crap in the army, only the color changed from blue to green.
          2. timer
            +7
            12 October 2013 18: 15
            I agree with you 1001%. The form of our senior commanders has become similar to the military uniform of some Babanova republic (for example, African). There is no restraint, solidity and severity of respect.
            And at the expense of the emblem, only RED STAR. AND DOT !!
            1. +2
              12 October 2013 21: 07
              And the STAR of any bastard !!!
        2. +3
          12 October 2013 10: 14
          I think the change of logo is like turning over a page of history, like a new logo, like from scratch.
          1. 7Hz
            7Hz
            +8
            12 October 2013 12: 23
            it was already police-police the name has changed and the essence as it was
            1. Cat
              +18
              12 October 2013 14: 46
              Quote: 7Hz
              it was already police-police the name has changed and the essence as it was

              To be continued. Back to the Future:
              1. catapractic
                +5
                12 October 2013 22: 06
                Tsvei, drive policeman
              2. +1
                13 October 2013 13: 09
                Quote: Gato
                Quote: 7Hz
                it was already police-police the name has changed and the essence as it was

                To be continued. Back to the Future:


                But the essence is the same - the fascists and those and others.
            2. +1
              14 October 2013 01: 26
              Well, they promised that the people would stop being afraid of the police and executed. They renamed the police into the police. Now the people are afraid of the police.
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        4. +2
          12 October 2013 18: 51
          Sergey Kuzhegetovich in the form of the Russian army participated in the tank biathlon. the question is that I didn’t see something of such wonderful caps (actually, a pinochet's dream) on our military personnel.
      3. yuri p
        +6
        12 October 2013 10: 14
        because there is a state emblem of Russia, this emblem should be an emblem, if it is the Russian army, and not the Shoigu private army, if the army belongs to the state, it should bear the symbols of this state, otherwise it’s incomprehensible to see a soldier with an incomprehensible emblem, you might think that we were occupied , as with the cop uniform, I did not immediately understand who I met.
        1. +5
          12 October 2013 13: 12
          Quote: yurii p
          ... and it is incomprehensible to see a soldier with an incomprehensible emblem, you might think that we were occupied ...

          Something in the Soviet Army there were no state emblems (except for the marshal) and no one confused the SA soldiers with the invaders, although there were enough stars among the Amers and the Chinese and Japanese!
          1. erg
            +1
            12 October 2013 19: 05
            A star with a sickle and a hammer belonged to state emblems and were components of the coat of arms of the USSR.
        2. +11
          12 October 2013 13: 13
          Quote: yurii p
          there is a state emblem of Russia, this emblem should be the emblem

          What doesn’t interfere in the star, instead of a sickle and a hammer, place an eagle with a shield and all the regalia.
          1. UVB
            +9
            12 October 2013 14: 06
            There is not enough border chevron! wink
            1. Serush
              +4
              12 October 2013 16: 47
              Next to the tank, there is an old border chevron, and your avatar is already new (for the end of the 20th century) - a motorized rifle on a green background.
              1. UVB
                +5
                12 October 2013 17: 31
                Nothing of the kind, I myself am a border guard, I didn’t just set myself such an avatar. Chevrons of this model were introduced with the new form in 1970 and were in use until the replacement of the Soviet form. That chevron is cavalry, and the border guards had the same chevrons as in the SA, only on a green background. And not only with the combined arms emblem, but also with others - automobiles, communications and more. By the way, during the service, I have never seen a chevron with a horseshoe and sabers on a green background, maybe they were where, I don’t know.
                1. Serush
                  0
                  12 October 2013 17: 45
                  That's right, only I had in mind the old PV emblem, a crossed carbine and a saber against the background of a horseshoe (I was not attentive, there are two drafts here). I didn’t see a Chevron with such an emblem, only the buttonholes - and here I look at it. (Not it - it turned out.) Http://www.rkka.ru/iuniform.htm
                  Have you seen the blue epaulettes with the letters PV?
                  1. UVB
                    +2
                    12 October 2013 17: 54
                    I did not see the blue epaulettes at all. Cornflower was in the KGB, in the rank and file letters GB.
                    1. 0
                      13 October 2013 13: 10
                      Quote: UVB
                      I did not see the blue epaulettes at all. Cornflower was in the KGB, in the rank and file letters GB.


                      The USSR Air Force had blue shoulder straps, blue nowhere.
                      1. Serush
                        0
                        13 October 2013 14: 00
                        Yes, we used them, after the above manipulations.
                      2. UVB
                        0
                        13 October 2013 18: 20
                        In the Air Force and Airborne were blue and not blue epaulets. Here is an excerpt from the decree of the Presidium of the USSR Armed Forces on the introduction of insignia: Field color epaulettes by combat arms (services):
                        motorized rifle troops, higher combined-arms command and military-political schools, higher military schools of the rear, units, institutions and military schools of justice, medical, veterinary and financial services - red;
                        aviation and airborne troops - blue;
                        artillery, missile, tank, engineering, chemical, railway, road, automobile troops, communications troops, military topographic service units, military construction and pipeline units, military communications service - black;
                        cavalry - light blue;
                        internal troops - maroon;
                        border troops - light green.
                        1. +1
                          13 October 2013 18: 44
                          it makes sense to cite this excerpt and state if the shoulder straps were really different in the Air Force and Airborne Forces.
                    2. Serush
                      0
                      13 October 2013 14: 00
                      Maybe cornflower blue, only the letters were exactly PV, they gave us 92, they just didn’t sew them, after all, our color is green. They tried to repaint it in green with the help of a fungus remedy (such a medicinal liquid, if you grease a blue cloth, it changed color to green), but it is possible because the color was not blue but cornflower blue, it turned out to be marsh. They removed shoulder straps from the old PN and sewn on the new ones.
                      In confirmation of your words, due to the shortage, we are airborne aviation - took the blue chevrons of the USSR Air Force and with the help of the above solution from a fungus (such a disease), turned it into green.
                      1. UVB
                        0
                        13 October 2013 18: 51
                        I just remembered now, indeed, there was a party of epaulettes with the letters PV for everyday uniforms of an incomprehensible color, some kind of blue-green. I don’t remember in the year 77 or 78. But they were issued only once. And for 92 year it’s not worth talking at all, the time has come quite another.
                  2. 0
                    13 October 2013 22: 00
                    Quote: Serush
                    I didn’t see a Chevron with such an emblem, only the buttonholes


                    On the way from KECHi .. from the side of the former 406 regiment. and towards the artillery regiment of the Taman Division, the Kavpolk was located. It seems to be the only one in the Union.
                    --------
                    And chevrons .. And especially the emblems in the buttonholes, they had very good. cool. Copper and large.
                    -------
                    But the cavalrymen had to stand "on the bedside table" with a saber. lol Well, at least not with spurs.
                    In general - as it should be .. they cleaned the horses .. "chopped the vine" at a gallop.
                2. erg
                  +3
                  12 October 2013 19: 08
                  I’ll fix it a bit. Correctly say emblem stripes, not chevrons. Chevron is a corner (from French), that is, a patch in the form of a corner.
                3. Serush
                  0
                  13 October 2013 14: 03
                  It seems that there was an order for a new form from 1968, but this is not important.
                4. 0
                  13 October 2013 19: 05
                  - I will not say for sure, but it seems that in the Alma-Ata region there was a border "training" where horse breeders were trained for the PV.
              2. Kolovrat77
                -5
                12 October 2013 17: 31
                You are jerking, you are molyams, land is the cavalry chevron.
                1. Serush
                  +2
                  12 October 2013 17: 46
                  Already recognized the jamb. higher.
                  1. Serush
                    +1
                    13 October 2013 14: 09
                    Thank you guys for the error - although it’s recognized, do not spread rot, but you support the pluses.
                    NICE for this site - AMAZING ..............
            2. 0
              12 October 2013 18: 52
              and chevron car parts.
          2. Cat
            +1
            12 October 2013 17: 02
            Quote: Papakiko
            place the eagle with a shield and all the regalia.

            If you noticed, then in the Russian Federation formally the monarchy has not yet been introduced. But everything goes to that.
            1. erg
              +1
              12 October 2013 19: 17
              The eagle does not have monarchical regalia. In the Middle Ages, where our coat of arms came from, all these regalia could be present in the arms of the republics as well. As far as they say first of all about the integrity of power, independence, dignity, but not about the presence of a monarch.
        3. 0
          12 October 2013 16: 08
          otherwise I’ll see a soldier with an incomprehensible emblem
          at least you glue the whole chevron with emblems, you won’t understand if you manage to write that there is federal intelligence, and there is local (Caucasian))
      4. avt
        +8
        12 October 2013 10: 41
        Quote: Igor39
        I don’t understand what the red star doesn’t like?

        laughing
        Quote: vezunchik
        That's why they are afraid of the Red Star! And they poured mud and dirt on it and our Soviet history!

        And nothing needs to be added.
      5. +1
        12 October 2013 16: 54
        The fact that the red star has nothing to do with Russia. It was just when Russia was called a stupid nickname and the Russians ... forgotten. Remember - the news mentioned the labor and military achievements of all the peoples of the USSR, except for the Russians. If the name of the hero was like Sidorov or Ivanov, they said "the feat of the SOVIET people." They could have named their hometown, but nationality - never! The red star didn't need Russians ...
        1. erg
          +16
          12 October 2013 19: 22
          Do not talk nonsense. I lived under the Union and I remember very well that the word Russian sounded no less than the Soviet one. Read, if only for example, the lyrics of military poets about the Great Patriotic War. Example:
          Do you remember, Alyosha, the roads of Smolensk,
          As there were endless, evil rains,
          As the krinks brought us tired women,
          Pressing, like children, from the rain to their chest,
          As tears they wiped away,
          As they whispered to us: - Lord, save you! -
          And again they called themselves soldiers,
          As it happened, the time was ripe in the great Russia.

          Tears measured more often than versts,
          There was a path, hiding from the eyes on the hills:
          Villages, villages, villages with graveyards,
          As if on them all of Russia has come together,

          As if for every Russian suburb,
          With the cross of their hands guarding the living,
          With all the world converging, our great-grandparents pray
          For in God do not believe their grandchildren.

          You know, probably, after all the Motherland -
          Not the city house, where I lived festively,
          And these country roads, that grandfathers have passed,
          With simple crosses of their Russian graves.

          I do not know about you, but about me from the village
          The road grief from village to village,
          With a widow's tear and with a female song
          For the first time the war on the roads brought.

          Do you remember, Alyosha: the cottage near Borisov,
          On the dead crying girlish cry,
          A gray-haired old woman in a plait,
          All in white, as if dressed to death, an old man.

          Well, tell them, how could we comfort them?
          But, grief realized with his feminine instinct,
          Do you remember, the old woman said: - Dear,
          As long as you go, we'll wait for you.

          “We will wait for you!” - they told us pasture.
          “We will wait for you!” - said the forest.
          You know, Alyosha, at nights it seems to me,
          That followed me with their voices.

          According to Russian customs, only conflagrations
          On the Russian land,
          Before our eyes, comrades were dying,
          In Russian, shirt ripped on his chest.

          Bullets with you are still being pampered.
          But, three times believing that life is all over,
          I was still proud for the sweetest,
          For the bitter land where I was born,

          For the fact that on her die bequeathed to me,
          That the Russian mother gave birth to us,
          What, in the fight to see us off, a Russian woman
          I hugged three times in Russian.
          1. 0
            12 October 2013 20: 49
            I read. I somehow received a prize in a pioneer camp for Terkin smile The last to speak of Russians as a great nation was Stalin. From there is your example. So after all, he often used the phrase Soviet Russia. In our time, there was such a newspaper ... the Russians were gone.
            Very much the bosses were and are afraid of us. Even my immensely respected president, and that ... little ruff ... Try to find old issues of Soviet newspapers and magazines. I guarantee the opposite experience. Alas...
            1. 0
              14 October 2013 12: 32
              "The last one who spoke of the Russians as a great nation was Stalin."

              Thank you for this fair remark. Under the leadership genius, both the Country and the Army were able to solve any, even impossible tasks.
              The people in the country were proud of Stalin, Stalin in front of the whole world recognized the word and deed showed the greatness of the Russian people!
              However, after Stalin, the overwhelming majority of the leadership of the USSR and the Russian Federation looks wretched. To what these pygmies brought a great country ...
              By the way, what can you say about Alexander III? This king knew his country and its capabilities no less. Not much information can be found about him, but he knew for sure that Russia has only two loyal allies: its Army and its Fleet. (aviation and other things did not exist then). And he knew for sure that if he was fishing, for example, then "Europe can wait." In front of European diplomats, he did not humiliate himself very much, and in response to the threat to send four divisions to the Balkans, he twisted a cupronickel teaspoon into a knot, handed it to the Austrian ambassador with the words: "This is what I will do with your divisions." Or the famous example of the crash of his train, when Alexander III struggled to hold the collapsed roof of the carriage while the passengers were evacuated and the wounded were pulled out!
              In the entire history of Russia, alas, there have been few cases when, in difficult times, the loyal son of his Fatherland was in the leading place.
              (Sorry, if anyone doesn’t like it, I won’t discuss it, this is my opinion.)
          2. -1
            12 October 2013 21: 00
            please name the author.
            to be honest, to tears.
            1. erg
              +4
              12 October 2013 21: 13
              Konstantin Simonov. Do you remember Alyosha’s roads in Smolensk ... (1941)
            2. 0
              14 October 2013 01: 35
              the layman is sorry please pressed the wrong button.
          3. Azaat
            0
            13 October 2013 00: 55
            Since my grandfather was a veteran, and I had a favorite grandson of his, as I used to think bzik, take me to a meeting of veterans. There were stories about how they drank at the last sowing season, how they drank a grandson from someone, or how much firewood was needed for the winter, but not just one memory of the war. It’s not what Terkin will not help.
      6. catapractic
        +3
        12 October 2013 22: 04
        not liberal however, and that's not happy
      7. +3
        13 October 2013 02: 49
        Most are comfortable. Why they vyzhivayutsya, it is not clear. ???
      8. +2
        13 October 2013 12: 25
        [quote = Igor39] I don’t understand what the red star doesn’t like? - I AGREE ALL THE ENEMIES, remember and are afraid of our RED STAR, so let him continue to be afraid !!!! laughing
      9. 0
        13 October 2013 18: 46
        Europeans do not like the red star, their bad memories remained after their unpleasant memories left in their genetic memory that they were given heat so why should the military themselves in the profession have to give heat not to come up with an emblem with which it would be more fun to let foreigners know what their place in the world and where should they go to make their claims
      10. 0
        14 October 2013 06: 53
        Karlosk, Shutterstock.com Many may not know that the history of the five-pointed star in Russia began long before the 1917 revolution and takes its roots in another revolution - the French one. It was in France at the turn of the 1th-1827th centuries that stars appeared on epaulettes and headgear of officers and generals, determining their rank. In this case, the pentagram derived its justification from the mythology of Ancient Rome, where it symbolized Mars and depicted the lily from which this god of war was born. Under the influence of the French, Emperor Nicholas I introduced a pentagram to the Russian army. On January 29, 1854, gold forged stars appeared on epaulettes, and on April 21, 1917, already embroidered adorned the epaulets introduced. After the February Revolution, the Provisional Government canceled epaulettes, but did not refuse the “Mars Star”. On April XNUMX, XNUMX, the Minister of War and Naval A. Guchkov places a five-pointed star on the fringes of sailors' cap - directly above the anchor. However, the “Martian star" proved most vivid after another revolution - the Great October Revolution. No sooner had the young Soviet government begun to form the Red Army, when there was an urgent need for new symbols. This was largely due to the fact that in the fire of the Civil War, the warring parties were often dressed in the clothes of the same cut and in battle it was not easy to distinguish strangers from their own. So in the symbolism of the Land of Soviets the famous red five-pointed star first appears.

        Source: http://shkolazhizni.ru/archive/0/n-50016/
    2. Lech from our city
      +19
      12 October 2013 07: 57
      Some stars are reminiscent of the symbols of the US Army - in the world, many may not understand this, they will FIRING WITHOUT WARNING.
      1. +9
        12 October 2013 09: 20
        The white star looks a lot like an American sign.
    3. +23
      12 October 2013 07: 58
      but I thought I had already thrown this crazy idea out of my head what
      1. +10
        12 October 2013 08: 29
        That would be the best solution.
        1. bask
          +11
          12 October 2013 09: 23
          Quote: My address
          I thought I had already thrown this crazy idea out of my head

          Hi Andryukh.
          Ktozh it (idea) will throw, a chainsaw is already cooked, gos..obloo too.
          Waiting for the team to cut, billions will go to this *******. Instead of MO to buy T-90, BMD-4M, BMPT2, and so on.
          Sawed at the heart, continue to cut now.

          "" saw Shura, saw "" " lol
          1. +3
            12 October 2013 09: 46
            Quote: bask
            Hi Andryukh.

            healthy, Andryukh. look at the cuts with optimism, since there is something to cut, then the treasury is not empty wassat
            1. bask
              +11
              12 October 2013 09: 59
              Quote: andrei332809
              sludges with optimism, since there is something to cut, the treasury is still not empty

              But it doesn’t make it any easier for us that some member, government, will build a castle on the Cote d'Azur and buy a yacht the size of an aircraft carrier.
              The army will not receive new armored vehicles, etc. d .... (and if the war, the children of ordinary people will die heroically again). The sons of these ***** have long been over the hill. And they are not going to come to Russia.
              "" "the head of the Duma committee on family, women and children Elena Mizulina and her son ..... the place of work of the son of Elena Mizulina - an ardent opponent of abortion, divorce and same-sex love. It turned out that Nikolai Mizulin has been a partner in the well-known law firm in Belgium "" "
              http://www.ridus.ru/news/94361/
              1. +4
                12 October 2013 10: 10
                good
                Quote: bask
                Nikolay Mizulin has long been a partner in a well-known law firm in Belgium "" "

                Andrei, you forgot to add that this law firm frantically defends the rights of homosexuals and gives them priority
                1. bask
                  +6
                  12 October 2013 10: 35
                  Quote: andrei332809
                  that this law firm frantically defends the rights of homosexuals and gives

                  In the continuation of the article there is such infa, and he himself can also homo tongue (practical).
                  I’m talking about something else, streams of foreign ... guano ... are poured on our heads again so that we would believe that this is necessary for the army. There are no other worries in the Ministry of Defense.
                  I have already visited that Shoigu did not even attend the arms exhibition in E. Tagil.
                  He is the head of the Moscow Region, Rossi, who is not interested in new developments in the military-industrial complex.
                  There is a real info .. the war of the domestic media against its people. By pushing anti-people’s laws and projects.
                  Как
                  Competition "Emblem of the Russian Army
                  1. +4
                    12 October 2013 11: 21
                    Quote: bask
                    There is a real info .. war of the domestic media,

                    Andrei, do not read newspapers and do not watch the news, do not spoil your stomach drinks
                    1. bask
                      +8
                      12 October 2013 12: 19
                      Quote: andrei332809
                      do not read newspapers and do not watch the news-do not spoil your stomach

                      Andrei, but I don’t read. The wife watches the telly, the sound is full.
                      Here, it sounds, characteristic sounds ....
                      About ,, Bolshevism does not agree. And the rest is in the DOT-Classic, however. good
    4. +7
      12 October 2013 08: 01
      The final stage will be an official appeal to the Ministry of Defense with a proposal to take into account the graphic material that won on our resource. - It is more expedient if the ministry itself announces an all-Russian competition. More weighty and more productive, without any petitions. Council of Moscow Region.
    5. +6
      12 October 2013 08: 32
      It is not clear why this is necessary at all, and it is not visible with an armed look that the “public men” worked on the emblems, which is called with soul and heart, and not just for show.
    6. +15
      12 October 2013 08: 35
      Why a competition? Throughout the world, the red star is our symbol. Why do I need to change something? The Germans have been racing with crosses since time immemorial - and somehow everyone knows that this is German. Red circle - try to guess who? That's right, the Japanese.
      If MO has nowhere to go, I agree to free help. :)
      1. +9
        12 October 2013 08: 49
        maybe because of the red star among the Chinese? whoever takes apart our "rulers" suddenly admits a war with China, and their equipment from ours is lapped, respectively, + they have a red star on it. but this is so thinking out loud
        1. +1
          12 October 2013 20: 18
          Quote: Starfish
          who will make out our "rulers" suddenly admit a war with China
          I don’t presume to guess about the Russian "rulers", but the Chinese, it seems, very much even admit it. Painfully often they have reservations in the English-language press, either about the unfair borders imposed by the tsarist government, or about their interest in the development of the Arctic Ocean. I don’t read the Chinese press (there’s a continuous Chinese letter, a normal person cannot make out), but I can imagine what they write there. It's like the Palestinian leaders say "peace" in English and "jihad" in Arabic.
      2. +3
        12 October 2013 10: 10
        Quote: Bugor
        If MO has nowhere to go, I agree to free help. :)

        Excuse me, are you in line for help from the Moscow Region? I am behind you.
    7. +14
      12 October 2013 08: 36
      If they nevertheless get to delirium with a change of symbolism, then the best option is with the hero’s shield, others are simply wretched.
    8. rinat1955
      -47
      12 October 2013 08: 44
      What kind of country is Russia like? Our state is called differently ... Personally, I was not hired to fight for the Russians! ! Even here they bring discord.
      1. +12
        12 October 2013 08: 46
        And what is your state called? Nothing that 80% of the population are Russian, no? What the hell are you talking about?
      2. +4
        12 October 2013 09: 13
        You probably celebrated the day of the driver yesterday? not awake yet?
        1. 0
          12 October 2013 09: 18
          Starfish You specify to whom you write, and if you tell me, I personally did not understand you feel
          1. +4
            12 October 2013 09: 33
            Starfish you specify to whom to write, and if you are to me, I personally did not understand you

            Yes, no, it's me Rinat, like a sane person, according to the comments, but here he gave out such nonsense
      3. +3
        12 October 2013 09: 43
        Quote: rinat1955
        What kind of country is Russia like? Our state is called differently ... Personally, I was not hired to fight for the Russians! ! Even here they bring discord.

        Constitution of the Russian Federation
        Article 1
        1. The Russian Federation - Russia is a democratic federal state with a republican form of government.
        2. The names of the Russian Federation and Russia are equivalent.
      4. +8
        12 October 2013 10: 15
        Quote: rinat1955
        What kind of country is Russia like?

        Yesterday, well, oh, oh, really good?
        Quote: rinat1955
        Our state is called differently ...

        Who do you have?
        Quote: rinat1955
        Personally, I was not hired to fight for the Russians!

        But Russian cripples for war are not hired, they always somehow manage ...
        Quote: rinat1955
        Even here they bring discord.

        Do you even understand what you wrote? Or has miracle grass not yet let go?
      5. +6
        12 October 2013 10: 32
        Quote: rinat1955
        . Personally, I was not hired to fight for the Russians!
        And who were they hired for? And you are aware that for all adversaries, Russians are all people who live in Russia, well, if it’s so important for you, in the Russian Federation. The enemy will not be able to sort through the slot, who is there, Russian, Tatar or Yakut. And they will not ask for a passport. And if you are hired to fight only for your farm, or village, or whatever you have, then you will finish the others and come to you. I hope the parable about the broom and twigs do not need to be reminded?
      6. 11111mail.ru
        +4
        12 October 2013 11: 19
        Idel-Ural? Ja. Ja ...
      7. +6
        12 October 2013 11: 30
        And where do you live ..- the horse is ..... distant (he doesn’t want to fight for the Russians))), I gave the Mordvin and the oath to the fatherland, if I go first voluntarily, and the last name obliges me smile
    9. +12
      12 October 2013 08: 47
      Quote: Marrying
      If they nevertheless get to delirium with a change of symbolism, then the best option is with the hero’s shield, others are simply wretched.

      I also liked the hero’s shield .. but I’m still against all such stupid reforms with renaming change of signs Restore the Army first!
      1. +7
        12 October 2013 08: 50
        I agree, but if they choose, it’s better to have a Slavic shield, we must remember who we are!
    10. rinat1955
      +7
      12 October 2013 08: 47
      With a shield, a knight is fine ... BUT RED STAR on technology, and on hats - a brand! Right now let's get into fights in the deserts, what kind of Pashtuns will understand these new emblems?
      If at least one soldier of our country wakes up because of a new emblem, kill the developers!
    11. AK-47
      +17
      12 October 2013 08: 48
      Why change, than the old symbolism is bad.
    12. diesel
      +3
      12 October 2013 08: 50
      Question to the site. Why does Messer fly on your screensaver? Here are the emblems from there.
      1. maxvet
        +5
        12 October 2013 10: 22
        This is an advertisement for WOW (world of warplfnes), and what the advertiser decided to put on the splash screen was
      2. +4
        12 October 2013 10: 36
        Quote: dizelniy
        on the screen saver flies Messer?

        Where did you see the messer? If in the background, then this is a screen saver from Wargaming, a partner of the site. There are questions to him.
        1. diesel
          +3
          12 October 2013 14: 54
          Messer in the foreground, look carefully, this technique in psychology is called manipulation bypassing consciousness, advertise La-5, I hope you are from Russia?
          1. +1
            12 October 2013 20: 42
            It’s definitely not Messer, it’s just an airplane, without special features, but it’s not iron German, it looks like Yak, LaGG or Spitfire, and looks a bit like Aerocobra.
            1. diesel
              0
              13 October 2013 09: 52
              Hanging tank and the contours of the lantern of the cabin, engine hood. The fact that this is not a Yak is unequivocal.
    13. UVB
      +8
      12 October 2013 08: 50
      Why reinvent the wheel? Take on the basis of sleeve chevrons of the combat arms of the Soviet model. And recognizably, and with Amerovsky nothing to do, and look very personal.
      1. +3
        12 October 2013 09: 41
        Chevrons are also possible, only stars without a hammer and a sickle, I'm sorry but these are not military symbols, but symbols of one of the parties ....
        1. +1
          12 October 2013 11: 53
          Military joke: Brezhnev is going to die, calls Stalin to the next world: “Well, how are you, Joseph Vissarionovich?” Stalin: “Nothing, everything is all right.” Brezhnev: “Well, what do you need to take with you?” Stalin: Yes, nothing is needed, everything is there, just carry more hammers and sickles. "Brezhnev: Why ??? !!!. Stalin: Yes, when Hitler intercepts the dining room attendant, he makes him eat with sickle and hammer !!! laughing
    14. +5
      12 October 2013 08: 51
      Yes, and also remove those "emblems" that strongly resemble road signs with pointers.
    15. +9
      12 October 2013 08: 53
      Our logo should be fundamentally different from the rest.
      And what did not suit the good old chevrons?
      Each chevron indicated belonging to the military branch.
      And everything was clear. Definitely another cut of money begins.
      We are waiting for the Nth amount announced after approval.

      For fun)))))
      Draw a globe with all continents and the Emblem, sign "World Russian Army". (An annoyance for amers)
      1. +3
        13 October 2013 10: 48
        For fun)))))
        Draw a globe with all continents and the Emblem, sign "World Russian Army". (An annoyance for amers)
        Like so? wink
    16. +5
      12 October 2013 08: 59
      With a shield, it turned out pretty good.
      1. +7
        12 October 2013 09: 39
        A shield with a star can really be an alternative to the labels that Shoigu offered.
        The shield is an ancient symbol of protection, the red background is traditionally the color of the Russian and Soviet armies, and of course the star is the world emblem of the armies, the stars were also present in the Imperial symbols (epaulets) and of course the Soviet star.
    17. +12
      12 October 2013 09: 04
      Now we have stars, and there will be stars! This is our story. let's close the topic! The continuation and invention of new symbolism is the shame of the country, nonsense and absurdity ...
      1. +7
        12 October 2013 09: 20
        The stars are not so long ago by the standards of history (100 years), but to clean the stars is a crime!
        1. maxvet
          +2
          12 October 2013 10: 27
          Quote: Marrying
          Stars not so long ago by the standards of history (100 years),

          Actually, the stars in the Russian army are older, if you mean the Red Star, then for about 100 years, and as the insignia they will be older, from the tsarist times, in my opinion, from the middle of the 19th century (although I can be wrong, correct who knows more precisely)
          1. erg
            +2
            12 October 2013 21: 31
            Since the 20s of the 19th century, on officer epaulettes.
    18. +14
      12 October 2013 09: 16
      All from the category of the traffic police - the traffic police, the police - the police, traffic signs on a white background - signs on a yellow background and so on. The unambiguous goal of all this is to cut budget funds. We are not talking about any image, image, safety, reliability and other positive factors. These reformers drool out of their mouths only at the thought of reforming something and numbers with long zeros are dizzy. What kind of buzz do you have to be in order to offer such caricature symbolism? It seems that they grabbed from everywhere a little (not even from the best sources) and lousy the hodgepodge in 10 minutes and sit in anticipation of imminent changes and cash flows for another meaningless reform. Leave it the old way, damn it, ghouls! It is necessary to reform what is no longer working and does not make sense. Our symbolism causes pride, has a history, inspired and inspires fear in enemies. Do not touch the holy !!!
    19. +6
      12 October 2013 09: 24
      Quote: SIBIR38RUS
      Now we have stars, and there will be stars! This is our story. let's close the topic! The continuation and invention of new symbolism is the shame of the country, nonsense and absurdity ...

      I agree! and still all these renaming and change of symbolism in our huge country are worth a lot of money to change everything! It smells of corruption ...
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    21. +23
      12 October 2013 09: 29
      These were chevrons.
      1. bask
        +7
        12 October 2013 13: 12
        Quote: Delink
        These were chevrons.

        And in the Navy.
        1. erg
          0
          12 October 2013 21: 37
          For reference. Patches of this kind were introduced back in the tsarist army.
      2. erg
        +2
        12 October 2013 21: 36
        It is a question of changing the identification mark for application on the technique, and not on sleeve patches. Such already have a new sample, based on state. symbols and departmental armature (a sign of artillery, etc., etc.), in accordance with the Russian military tradition, and Soviet as well.
    22. +7
      12 October 2013 09: 33
      Quote: xetai9977
      The white star looks a lot like an American sign.

      Sir Henry and Barrymore are smoking cigars - "Barrymore with this cigar looks like pi ... ah," - "well sir, I'll brush it the other way."
    23. +10
      12 October 2013 09: 34
      The red star is almost a hundred years old a symbol of the Soviet (Russian) army! Under it, as much as she is known all over the world! Who knows, for example, the symbolism of the Greek army? And everyone knows ours! Why then fence the garden? I don’t understand what this is all about. It is necessary to restore the Army, but there is symbolism, verified by deeds and time!
      1. +10
        12 October 2013 10: 13
        Quote: Seaman
        The red star is almost a hundred years old a symbol of the Soviet (Russian) army!

        That is precisely why they are trying to remove it by all means. It really hurts the USSR!
        1. erg
          +1
          12 October 2013 21: 38
          Yes, but she’s on the banner of the armed forces.
    24. +10
      12 October 2013 09: 35
      Red (scarlet) color is the color of Russians and only Russians. Of all that I see, I think the best is the hero’s shield. The Russians have always been a shield on earth from unrighteousness, a defense of the weak. The star must be left on the technique of love, and scarlet and not blue / white or something else. And finally, the Minister of Defense should be ashamed in front of the fathers and grandfathers for all this garbage
    25. rinat1955
      -18
      12 October 2013 09: 39
      For those especially stupid, not knowing the name of their country, I tell you, our country is called the RUSSIAN FEDERATION, once again, who did not understand RUSSIAN FEDERATION
      what kind of state education RUSSIA is - I personally did not find it on the map!
      1. +13
        12 October 2013 09: 45
        look at the constitution. Russian Federation-Russia (names are equivalent)

        Article 1

        1. The Russian Federation - Russia is a democratic federal state with a republican form of government.

        2. The names of the Russian Federation and Russia are equivalent.
      2. +5
        12 October 2013 10: 01
        Rinat seems to be an adult, but you don't know the country of Russia, Starfish answered you correctly, recalling the Constitution. Rather, you are naturally disingenuous or even laughing that you do not know the country of Russia, just based on your name, it is better for your "ear" to be the Russian Federation.
        1. consul
          +16
          12 October 2013 11: 10
          This is one of the signals that it is time to remove all sorts of countries and republics and make normal provinces, or else they have played out in sovereignty. In us, in the Kazan province, some believe that they live in another country.
      3. 11111mail.ru
        +6
        12 October 2013 11: 28
        Complaint: I look - on the fence. UY is written, but looked in - 3,14-dy received. Conclusion - do not believe everything that is written!
      4. +2
        12 October 2013 13: 03
        Quote: rinat1955
        For those especially stupid, not knowing the name of their country, I tell you,

        For the gifted, who know a lot, I recommend reading the Constitution.
      5. +6
        12 October 2013 13: 16
        Quote: rinat1955
        For those especially stupid, not knowing the name of their country, I tell you, our country is called the RUSSIAN FEDERATION, once again, who did not understand RUSSIAN FEDERATION
        what kind of state education RUSSIA is - I personally did not find it on the map!

        You still look at foreign cards - there is generally written!
        1. +3
          13 October 2013 10: 56
          Actually, RUSSIA is not written on foreign maps, but Russia, Russie, Russland, which means Russia, the Land of Russes. And for you, rinat1955 - even your foreign owners recognize that you live on Russian soil.
    26. +5
      12 October 2013 09: 42
      Quote: Delink
      These were chevrons.

      These were chevrons.

      I completely agree! And then we’ve been rushing for 30 years and can’t come to anything. You don’t understand where who and what. Like a dad Makhno-who is what a lot!
    27. Janis S.U.
      +19
      12 October 2013 09: 43
      Personally, I like Soviet symbols more. She is extremely stylish, original and to the sensation of feeling really native. I, in order to annoy our, Latvian, Gutta-percha Nazis - sometimes I fix a small embroidered Soviet coat of arms on the windshield. What a pleasure to look at the reaction of the impotent spite of our descendants of the SS-sheep and other trash - this is something. So I doubt whether they can come up with something more stylish and fair.
      1. +6
        12 October 2013 10: 37
        At least for something to remind the fascists and revenge-seekers it is already worth leaving the Soviet symbols of a glorious past.
    28. +3
      12 October 2013 09: 45
      Quote: rinat1955
      For those especially stupid, not knowing the name of their country, I tell you, our country is called the RUSSIAN FEDERATION, once again, who did not understand RUSSIAN FEDERATION
      what kind of state education RUSSIA is - I personally did not find it on the map!

      There are still in brackets (RUSSIA)!
    29. rinat1955
      -24
      12 October 2013 09: 50
      Quote: Marrying
      And what is your state called? Nothing that 80% of the population are Russian, no? What the hell are you talking about?


      Great! And the remaining 20%? what should the army be called? The army of Chechnya? Amia of Tatarstan?

      Who does not know, 80% of Russians do not have their natural wealth! In the interfluve of the Volga and Oka - empty! Alone forests! And everything else - the annexed territories ... the Balts have fallen off, Central Asia, where did you get the idea that the Urals and Siberia will not fall off? You will be like Ukrainians with a bare booty jumping. If you don’t temper your great-power chauvinism (the term of the Jew Ulyanov), you will be jumping along the Christmas trees like them!
      1. +14
        12 October 2013 09: 53
        still I’ll probably take my words about you, that you are a sane person.
      2. Janis S.U.
        +20
        12 October 2013 10: 05
        Quote: rinat1955
        won the Balts fell off


        But you, dear, lied. We did not fall off. If it were not for leapfrog in Russia (RSFSR), then we would all be together. The fish rots from the head. It was thanks to your Yeltsin, all kinds of liberal trash and active propaganda against the Soviet Army that everything happened. No wonder I, the Latvian (!!!), while still a fourth-year cadet, heard phrases addressed to them - they say, the occupier, and that the people are tired of feeding us, parasites, that we are sitting on his hump. Do you know where I heard this for the first time? In Tver! Who would have thought! Not in Latvia, but in the original Russian territories. What then can we talk about at all, given the republican nationalist ghouls that emerged from all their cracks? The Baltic states did everything slowly and a little bit, waiting for when they would hit the brazen and smelly national-separatist paws. The center endured everything, and the internal Russian fermentation, led by declassed Yeltsin and other liberal lumpen hangers, who were directly interested in the collapse and destruction of the Soviet Union, which gnawed at its flesh more and more gnawed at the state foundations. What they achieved, they got it - a piece fell off and they, moreover, the largest. Spit them all, like ours, was on the people. On the former brotherhood and the common glorious history. The tears and unimaginable grief that subsequently occurred throughout the former Soviet Union - the persecution of Russian speakers, defamation disagreeing with nationalist politics, almost civil wars, severe impoverishment, population decline, and so on and so forth. The main thing is to snatch. So it’s not worth it from a bad mind to a healthy one, I ask you - it’s not worth it.
        1. +1
          13 October 2013 11: 04
          Well done, it’s said a lot!
      3. +7
        12 October 2013 10: 16
        Quote: rinat1955
        And the rest of 20%? what should the army be called? The army of Chechnya? Amia of Tatarstan?

        Do these 20% have their own army? belay
      4. +14
        12 October 2013 10: 25
        Quote: rinat1955

        Great! And the remaining 20%? what should the army be called? The army of Chechnya? Amia of Tatarstan?

        Who does not know, 80% of Russians do not have their natural wealth! In the interfluve of the Volga and Oka - empty! Alone forests! And everything else - the annexed territories ... the Balts have fallen off, Central Asia, where did you get the idea that the Urals and Siberia will not fall off? You will be like Ukrainians with a bare booty jumping. If you don’t temper your great-power chauvinism (the term of the Jew Ulyanov), you will be jumping along the Christmas trees like them!


        Uuu, how sad everything is with you, and now let’s imagine that the Russians would be like the Americans, where now there would be peoples whom Russia had won in the whole history, they would have exterminated most of them, and drove out the rest on the reservation and then no one would carry such nonsense like you, because there would simply be no one to do this.
      5. consul
        +8
        12 October 2013 11: 16
        Quote: rinat1955
        And the remaining 20%?

        The remaining 20% ​​are members of the composition of Russia , and serve (their sons and daughters) in Russian The army.
        1. +13
          12 October 2013 11: 21
          Forgive me Rinat for such words, but you enemy.
    30. +6
      12 October 2013 09: 50
      Quote: rinat1955
      For those especially stupid, not knowing the name of their country, I tell you, our country is called the RUSSIAN FEDERATION, once again, who did not understand RUSSIAN FEDERATION
      what kind of state education RUSSIA is - I personally did not find it on the map!

      Look at the map carefully! Or contact an optometrist!
    31. Janis S.U.
      +14
      12 October 2013 09: 50
      Quote: rinat1955
      For those especially stupid, not knowing the name of their country, I tell you, our country is called the RUSSIAN FEDERATION, once again, who did not understand RUSSIAN FEDERATION
      what kind of state education RUSSIA is - I personally did not find it on the map!


      If it were not for the shaky coward and the limp rag Gorbachev with the alkonaut and degenerate Borka Yeltsin, the country was called as it should be - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Too much sweat and blood was shed on the altar of gathering these lands by our common ancestors ... That is the essence and salt.
      1. +8
        12 October 2013 10: 36
        History makes a turn, once the USSR returned, like a phoenix, to the place of the perished Russian Empire. It was also destroyed by liberalists, lumpen and hawks. But it turned out not what they expected, and now not everything is going according to plan soldier
      2. +3
        12 October 2013 16: 27
        The man.
        but, the USSR is already in the past, a pack of 'jackals' is in power and are trying to get rid of the symbols of the WINNERS ...
        Very much, Symbols, they do not like, from here draw conclusions- which side are they on))

        Now about the Name and the words in the title ....
        RF and RUSSIA are the accepted official names of what we live in
        The army is the colloquial designation of the Armed Forces ...
        that is, in Symbolism they want to apply the inapplicable (to shove the uncanny-illiterate masses)))
        no such formation is the Russian Army or the Russian Army
        there are armed forces or branches(I will not list, you, unlike the Minister of Defense, are People and and literate)))
        Make a star not a bad symbol, even though the kabbalistic sign))) BUT symbols control the 'animal' structure of the psyche, and We are Slavs - People and we better image ::: Birds (Rurik)) individual animal
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        2. +2
          12 October 2013 16: 56
          The red star is not a bad symbol, even though it is a kabbalistic sign))), But symbols control the "animal" structure of the psyche, and We are Slavs - People and we better image:
          Birds-(Rurik, falcon, eagle, owl) and not two-headed mutants)))
          The individual animal (tiger, leopard, bear), and not a goat herd (as in United Russia))

          In general, it’s understandable why Serezha imposes Amer signs on us, I recently wrote about the Masonic tseta and flags (banned))
          Why such a color-graphic scheme is used by the masons is a separate song, it would be necessary to put it on the site "AllRussian" and here the link)))

          And from the one presented to us - SHIELD is the most attractive Badge of the RF Armed Forces during the "reform itch"
          We remember that it was the shield that the Slavs nailed to the gate, the warrior carried it everywhere with him, and even dying, he returned home to the shield, like a Hero ....
          And miss the demagoguery from the official (Jewish) history that representatives of other nations did it ....
          Warriors are only among People and This Rus .....
      3. 0
        13 October 2013 11: 07
        Once again, well done!
    32. rinat1955
      -11
      12 October 2013 09: 50
      give a link to the country of Russia, I will carefully consider ...
      1. 11111mail.ru
        +2
        12 October 2013 11: 30
        American Slang - RASHA. Understand?
      2. +1
        12 October 2013 13: 19
        Quote: rinat1955
        give a link to the country of Russia, I will carefully consider ...

        They already wrote to you - Read the Constitution!
      3. +1
        12 October 2013 19: 33
        a shelf of skulls arrived ........... my regards fool , nevertheless, a bad essence appeared (after "h")
    33. rinat1955
      -4
      12 October 2013 09: 53
      Is it not clear that all this fuss with the change of symbolism leads to a weakening of the army? Take a close look at the nationality of the authors and implementers of this idea.
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    34. +2
      12 October 2013 09: 57
      Quote: rinat1955
      Is it not clear that all this fuss with the change of symbolism leads to a weakening of the army? Take a close look at the nationality of the authors and implementers of this idea.

      And here I agree with you! They want to beat, Corrode memory, traditions!
    35. 0
      12 October 2013 10: 06
      This is a matter of habit. Who means what. If you google on the internet a lot of things to learn a lot about the star. If we want to have a symbol recognizable not only in Russia but also in the world, then the rest would have to take it into account.

      When I was little I did not understand why our star is on American technology? Then he learned that the star is used in its symbolism by many more states ...

      So to whom does the star belong and who marks their possessions with this symbol?
      To date, I have one answer - this is the Rothschild clan.

      ps
      An oblique cross is drawn on the St. Andrew’s flag, and who knows who in Russia they crucified him? Whom before, and whom back to the people?

      Three-color striped flags are a symbol of belonging to the Vatican.
      1. rinat1955
        -11
        12 October 2013 10: 16
        Please note that a two-headed official does not offer chicken, namely a star .... they mark, mark the Rothschilds their territory
        1. +8
          12 October 2013 10: 27
          Rinat, you smell of Tatar nationalism.
          1. 11111mail.ru
            +2
            12 October 2013 13: 35
            REPEAT: Remember, dear drawing of the man Leonardo inscribed in the pentacle. He what? Also from the Rothschilds?
          2. HOUSES
            +3
            12 October 2013 13: 44
            Rinat, you smell of Tatar nationalism.
            Yes, I realized that he’s missing a crescent star.
        2. +9
          12 October 2013 10: 45
          Yes, any character can be defunct. As the Slavic swastika, the symbol of the sun, was so blasphemed by the Nazis, it disgusts most people. But, it should be noted that the Germans left their crosses in spite of the fact that they are a serious complex from the time of the Reich
          1. 0
            12 October 2013 11: 26
            I think that if it is a symbol of the state, it should be unambiguously perceived throughout the world.
        3. 11111mail.ru
          +1
          12 October 2013 13: 33
          Remember, a respected drawing of a man Leonardo inscribed in a pentacle. He what? Also from the Rothschilds?
          1. 0
            12 October 2013 15: 18
            Do you mean this picture?
      2. Janis S.U.
        +3
        12 October 2013 10: 23
        Quote: Boris55
        ps On the St. Andrew’s flag, an oblique cross is drawn, and who knows who in Russia they crucified him? Whom before, and whom back to the people?


        Why are you, dear, so inconsistent? Tell you about flags and other trinket-heraldic rubbish of other countries with all kinds of crosses and crosshairs? The star, by the way, and you could not mix it up with the American one, was red in the Soviet Army. It is such a color that it looks like blood. Have you had wounds on your arms or legs? Here is the liquid that flowed from them just the same color. Say, by definition or by default. Otherwise - without any doubt or axiomatically. Soviet army symbols did not resemble anyone else at all. The Americans have a star, usually with blunt rays and white. Let's say the color of your ceiling or plain paper. It is necessary to point out facts or, if not possessing knowledge or real ideas, discuss the same Greek mythology.
        1. -1
          12 October 2013 10: 30
          My parents had a black-and-white TV at that time, and there were no color newspapers ... for a long time it was ... when I was small and did not understand such subtleties ...

          ps
          How long will it take to explain to the Papuans that this is our star, but this is not ours? and if he is color blind?
        2. +1
          12 October 2013 16: 11
          Quote: Janis SU
          The star, by the way, and you could not mix it up with the American one, was red in the Soviet Army. It is such a color that it looks like blood. Have you had wounds on your arms or legs? Here is the liquid that flowed from them just the same color. Say, by definition or by default. Otherwise - without any doubt or axiomatically. Soviet army symbols did not resemble anyone else at all.

    36. rinat1955
      0
      12 October 2013 10: 15
      So to whom does the star belong and who marks their possessions with this symbol?
      To date, I have one answer - this is the Rothschild clan.

      Yeah ... here they are the fourth kaganate and build. It is on the territory of the Russian Federation that China’s nuclear strikes do more harm to China itself (wind rose) than to the Rothschild possessions. Hedgehog understandable, 10-20 years, and China will not just compare, but will be able to destroy this country in North America.
      1. MVS
        MVS
        +3
        12 October 2013 15: 54
        Quote: rinat1955
        So to whom does the star belong and who marks their possessions with this symbol?
        To date, I have one answer - this is the Rothschild clan.

        Well, given that the oldest (Neolithic) examples of the five-pointed star are known in Asia Minor, Iran, Mesopotamia and Crete, and it was known as a revered emblem by the Japanese and American Indians, then the Rothschilds should have unlimited influence from the dawn of civilization and by the whole planet.
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    38. +5
      12 October 2013 10: 33
      The star, as a symbol, does not belong specifically to anyone. This is a very ancient symbol. But the Scarlet Star is the symbol of the Russians. The tricolor is the flag of the Romanovs, but the lands were collected by the Russians long before the Romanovs. And the banners under which these lands were gathered were scarlet. The double-headed eagle, the same symbolism is not ancient, so the knight's shield or crossed axes are more suitable symbols for Russians. I would have written an answer to the question: "What is a two-headed eagle?", But this is an official symbol ... Although the ruby ​​stars on the Kremlin looked much calmer and majestic in imperial fashion.
    39. +7
      12 October 2013 10: 34
      If we proceed from the drawing rules, then it should be approximately ... well, something like that
      1. +4
        12 October 2013 16: 52
        In our factory, it’s precisely such stars that are applied to repaired turntables
        1. 0
          12 October 2013 17: 54
          I missed with the background ... I had to ... gray-ball ... in addition, consider that the thickness of the blue and white is different ... so that it looks proportionate .... this is the concept.
    40. Janis S.U.
      +2
      12 October 2013 10: 38
      Quote: Boris55
      My parents had a black-and-white TV at that time, and there were no color newspapers ... for a long time it was ... when I was small and did not understand such subtleties ...


      winked smile Well then, a completely different matter.
    41. +5
      12 October 2013 10: 42
      If, according to the rules of drawing, the sign should look something like this ...
    42. Janis S.U.
      +4
      12 October 2013 10: 42
      Quote: Knizhnik
      At least for something to remind the fascists and revenge-seekers it is already worth leaving the Soviet symbols of a glorious past.


      And you know .., this is perhaps the most capacious commentary directly on the case. Sincerely, Janis. good
    43. +4
      12 October 2013 10: 49
      If there are such problems, let them announce the All-Russian competition such as how they choose for olympiads, etc. with a normal prize pool, here not only artists, but schoolchildren and pensioners will fill up with good sketches.
    44. Ivan Denikin
      +5
      12 October 2013 10: 49
      The emblem of the Army is its face. It should remind the soldiers and people of our heroic past, and at the same time instill fear in the enemies who are thinking to come to us with a sword. The basis is to take the uniquely red STAR, symbols of the Navy, Airborne Forces and other military branches. This is the real symbol of the Army. What I saw in the article is horror and mockery of entire generations of soldiers and officers. The artists obviously did not serve on the dollar feed and in the Army.
    45. +6
      12 October 2013 10: 50
      Late for the beginning of the article, but maybe for the better. I looked through the reviews and perked up after the proposed emblems. The people as a whole are for the Red Star, I too. This symbol of our army will soon be 100 years old, it’s time to calm down and stop breaking history.
    46. +4
      12 October 2013 11: 00
      Quote: Orik
      Kuzhugetovech turned on Masonic signs and tinsel, he does not have a cap, but Pinochet’s dream.

      In-in, and in the form of the Ministry of Emergencies, any African general will be jealous. smile A bunch of dough and no taste.

      The Dembelean Armed Forces are sheathed less in shape than our valiant Ministry of Emergency Situations, as if in the army statutory form did not get to this!
    47. +3
      12 October 2013 11: 00
      Quote: AlexVas44
      This symbol of our army will soon be 100 years old, it’s time to calm down and stop breaking history.

      I fully support it. But unfortunately in the MO there are always those who want to "inherit" in history and vlyapat something from the above-hot series.
    48. +2
      12 October 2013 11: 03
      Quote: Delink
      These were chevrons.

      I agree, remove the hammer and sickle from the star, paint it in tricolor and the chevrons are ready, especially the "new" form of the sun, this is the old form of the late 80s !!!
    49. +8
      12 October 2013 11: 06
      Quote: Ivan Denikin
      The artists obviously did not serve on the dollar feed and in the Army.


      Yes, such comparisons obviously smell like a dollar.
      1. +2
        12 October 2013 13: 02
        Wikipedia has all the identifying symbols for the air forces of most countries of the world, dozens of military aviation look like the American emblem, a global trend, but this does not touch us emblems from Shoigu is nonsense.
      2. +2
        12 October 2013 16: 50
        As Zhirinovsky used to say: UNDEFINEDLY - SCAMS!
    50. +3
      12 October 2013 11: 11
      Quote: DesToeR
      Would write an answer to the question: "What is a two-headed eagle?"


      Such an answer already exists in the literature: U_r_o_d, Your Honor!
    51. +3
      12 October 2013 11: 13
      The history of Russia did not begin in 17, and not even in 988... It is much deeper (on the Kulikovo field and during the defeat of the Khazaria, and on Peipus... there were no stars), so maybe we can take a thread from there?
      Or are the symbols of the Rus banned?
      1. +2
        12 October 2013 13: 43
        Political correctness has also taken root in the army’s minds; symbols must be unified for the multinational and multi-religious people of Russia, so unfortunately the symbols of Rus' are not taken into account, and Shoigu is half Tuvan.
    52. Janis S.U.
      +9
      12 October 2013 11: 13
      I don’t know about anyone, but I still dream about SA. Do you know what's special? Military school. As I'm getting ready to go on vacation, I'm trimming it (chevron, shoulder straps, course stripes...). It is very important that everything is neat and extremely revealing - adjusted, ironed, shiny and shining. There is still a feeling of pride and belonging to the Great Army of the largest country...
    53. Ivan Denikin
      +3
      12 October 2013 11: 15
      Does the Minister even read Military Review? He should be interested in what privates, sergeants, warrant officers, midshipmen, foremen, officers and generals think about this! How can you change history with one stroke of the pen, “I affirm”? The leadership of the General Staff and the Defense Ministry must understand the depth of responsibility for making decisions on the symbols of the Army. A wrong step is a disaster, morally and spiritually too. Only STAR, without PIN symbols and hints of the Yankees!
    54. Admiral 013
      +5
      12 October 2013 11: 20
      After the collapse of the USSR, the army has been lowered for all these years, and so it’s nowhere lower! Do you want to completely finish her off mentally and physically?
    55. Ivan Denikin
      +3
      12 October 2013 11: 28
      Quote: Admiral 013
      After the collapse of the USSR, the army has been lowered for all these years, and so it’s nowhere lower! Do you want to completely finish her off mentally and physically?

      They will finish it off completely if they also change our heroic symbols. This is necessary, whoever came up with such a crazy idea - to change the symbolic history of our army. It is necessary to return the symbols of the USSR, they smell of the Motherland, spirit and patriotism. It’s not a shame to give your life for this!
    56. +3
      12 October 2013 11: 47
      And when will the Ministry of Defense actually take care of defense? Are they girls to embellish themselves like this? There are Soviet symbols, simple in appearance, but deep in essence, in the words of one wonderful Soviet film: “Why do you still need a dog?”
    57. me
      me
      +4
      12 October 2013 11: 52
      The idea with the Slavic shield is not bad, but I don’t like emblems with the colors of the Russian flag in any form, they don’t look serious and are too pretentious.
    58. +3
      12 October 2013 12: 03
      I like the shield-shaped emblem winked Of course, it’s better not to change anything, but if it’s too hot, put it on request
    59. sashka
      +2
      12 October 2013 12: 04
      Idiocy is rushing in full force..Stepping wide..
    60. +11
      12 October 2013 12: 13
      Truth is born in dispute. Let's conduct a survey among the participants on the forum, in which we will pose two questions:
      1. Leave the red star and, accordingly, the emblems developed on its basis.
      2. Accept the new logo.
      Then we’ll see in percentage terms how many people voted for what.
      1. fklj
        +1
        12 October 2013 12: 39
        The Moscow Region is not interested in our opinion. Everything has already been decided there. The money has been allocated, a supplier has been appointed, the paint in the warehouses is getting cold.
        And you need to vote!
    61. sashka
      0
      12 October 2013 12: 14
      “moderators! or “diman” with the boss or did you smell something...
    62. +6
      12 October 2013 12: 15
      After reading the comments, I came to the conclusion that it would be more expedient to make the emblem using the old chevron as a basis. Well, there you can already creatively supplement it.
    63. -2
      12 October 2013 12: 17
      It’s not clear why they made such a fuss about this emblem. Is this really the most important thing in life? Why is the Ministry of Defense interested in public opinion? Since when?
    64. sashka
      +1
      12 October 2013 12: 21
      Black in black and the great Exhalation of the Great Pu and Me. Beautiful picture..
    65. +2
      12 October 2013 12: 22
      It seems that for this change of emblems, once again someone in the Moscow Region wanted to spend some money.
      1. sashka
        +1
        12 October 2013 12: 26
        Quote: voliador
        It seems that for this change of emblems, once again someone in the Moscow Region wanted to spend some money.

        It is logical
    66. fklj
      +16
      12 October 2013 12: 30
      There may well be people capable of creating a truly high-quality emblem of the Russian army filled with deep meaning.


      Offering:
      1. Paint over the blue stripe around the red star
      2. Erase the inscription BBC Russia from the sides
      3. More do not touch RED STAR, and look for other reasons and ways to “make money” on the military budget
      1. sashka
        +3
        12 October 2013 12: 35
        Quote: fklj
        There may well be people capable of creating a truly high-quality emblem of the Russian army filled with deep meaning.


        Offering:
        1. Paint over the blue stripe around the red star
        2. Erase the inscription BBC Russia from the sides
        3. Don’t touch the RED STAR anymore, but look for other reasons and ways to “make money” on the military budget

        Exactly. There are always only two options. .Yes or no. Either you or you. There is no gap.
      2. +2
        13 October 2013 11: 28
        everything is correct. only the edging of the star should be gold, and in the inner field there should be a golden sickle and hammer. Sorry, but without all this some kind of Vietnamese version turns out...
    67. sashka
      -1
      12 October 2013 12: 30
      Yeah. how stupid we are.
    68. +2
      12 October 2013 12: 44
      It’s time to pass a law prohibiting reforms of signs, flags and other symbols inherited from the USSR, which historically have a patriotic meaning. Otherwise, some people will never understand that “reformism” can be a crime.
      1. +1
        12 October 2013 12: 54
        When the communists destroyed all the symbols of the Russian Empire, why is this not a crime. Everything that is happening now is a common occurrence in our history.
    69. zavesa01
      +5
      12 October 2013 12: 51
      On ships, the Soviet cockade is called “crab,” and the Russian one with an eagle is called “chicken.” The voice of the people is the voice of God.
      BACK ALL THE TIMES OF THE USSR!!!
    70. +11
      12 October 2013 12: 52
      They've already sucked at this...Why are they forcing the ROA symbols on us again...There's a red star and that's it...Are we afraid that they'll be confused with China? The symbolism on the sides and wings can only be seen by onlookers at close range, and in flight and on the move they have long been using “friend or foe” codes... Why did Shoigu get carried away with this attributive theme? We remember these broiler mutant chickens on caps, hypertrophied crowns on caps... There is a red star and no, the Germans have already been remembered with a beam cross five times... We went to Deutsche Soldatten with crosses both under the Kaiser, and under the Fuhrer, and under the chancellor and the president...And nothing? The sun rises in the east, the earth has not tipped over into the ocean, life has not stopped...
    71. sashka
      +2
      12 October 2013 12: 54
      The word “horror” is considered gay European... you can’t write it, but it exists... It’s an ass, but there are no words. It’s strange.
      1. -3
        12 October 2013 13: 00
        Quote: Sasha
        The moderators consider the word “horror” to be gay European... you can’t write it, but it exists... It’s an ass, but there’s no word.


        There are many moderators and mostly they are adequate, but there are isolated instances that do not know Russian at all. Glory to Everything they got rid of Tronin, but they immediately hung “I don’t understand what, with the royal family”, that the world makes five mistakes in a word wassat
        Maybe reduce the number of moderators, but bring the site to the point where there is constant control, otherwise someone comes out with spam and there is zero response from the site administration, they rest...
        It seems to me that many people are annoyed by the large number of “self-inflated” illiterate modders with a one in the rating hi
        1. fklj
          0
          12 October 2013 13: 48
          A sharp and sensitive topic. Recently I spent more than a day trying to get the admin to delete a vulgar photo. Sometimes, obviously provocative articles are posted, and as a result - s..ch in the comments.
          Incompetent moderators can ruin this site. People will stop coming here and that’s it.
          1. +2
            12 October 2013 14: 10
            Quote: fklj
            A sharp and sensitive topic. Recently I spent more than a day trying to get the admin to delete a vulgar photo. Sometimes, obviously provocative articles are posted, and as a result - s..ch in the comments.

            What am I talking about? There should be control on the site, but not from a “flock” of moderators who harmonize with each other and are not biased, but from those who really care about the cause, I’ll name those who I remember as moderators
            Vadivak, Ascetic, Banshee

            Sorry who I didn’t name (offhand and in the heat of the moment), but now who’s dishonoring the title of moderator:
            - Tronin (already deleted from the lists) - illiteracy, weakness of will
            - novels - a halo appeared, illiteracy
            1. +1
              12 October 2013 14: 20
              from love to hate one step))
              1. -1
                12 October 2013 14: 27
                Quote: Gleb
                from love to hate one step))

                Rather
                “if a friend turns out to be, suddenly...”... (c) Vysotsky is always relevant.
                And I hate intriguers in my life... But Romanoff just hangs on to this, like me and my own and now you’re squabbling... It didn’t work for me hi
        2. +4
          12 October 2013 14: 16
          Quote: seasoned
          but they immediately hung up “I don’t understand what, with the royal surname”, that in the word the world makes five mistakes

          Who pulled you out of eternal bans three times, this is like your gratitude wink Well done, keep burning wink
          1. -1
            12 October 2013 14: 22
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Who pulled you out of eternal bans three times, this is like your gratitude

            Bugaga, don't you take on too much? I know who pulled me out of the ban and you weren’t even standing there... I am grateful to them and I don’t even speak out against them...
            But I’ll burn it because I’m like a guy whose literacy is suffering and who wants to cause shit... You have no place as a moderator hi You've already got Kars with yours...and in general you're far from impartial.
            Previously, there was an alliance between Odessa, Sparrow, you and me, you betrayed everyone...
            1. 0
              12 October 2013 14: 26
              Previously there was a union of Odessa, Sparrow, you and me, you betrayed everyone...
              guys I love you!))
              I mean such scandals, intrigues, investigations -you betrayed everyone.!
              1. -1
                12 October 2013 14: 29
                Quote: Gleb
                Previously, there was an alliance between Odessa, Sparrow, you and me, you betrayed everyone... I adore you guys!))

                Thanks, but everyone is banned, and one moderator laughing
                1. +1
                  12 October 2013 14: 31
                  okay, banned? belay
                  and Tronin too?
                  1. 0
                    12 October 2013 14: 33
                    Quote: Gleb
                    okay, banned?
                    and Tronin too?

                    Yes, he’s all lying, no one is banned and no one has ever been to a bathhouse.
                    1. 0
                      12 October 2013 14: 53
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Yes, he’s all lying, no one is banned and no one has ever been to a bathhouse.

                      Bug, I was banned by the site’s council in the case of the marshals (reminds me of Stalin’s times) and that’s a fact
                      The Odessa woman disappeared, although she had previously commented actively on the site, I don’t know about her
                      Romanov became a moderator, the sparrow was always outside the intersite carnage.
                      As for lying, Romanov once again confirmed his title as a liar... Before that, he stated that I complain to the admin and moderators the most. Then the world-door-ball called him, he doesn’t let up wassat
                      1. +2
                        12 October 2013 15: 05
                        Quote: seasoned
                        Bugaga, I was banned by the site council in the marshals case

                        There was a case, but without my participation, and this measure was used once and only in relation to you. For rudeness. It’s strange, no one gets banned, but you constantly barge in, and always due to a misunderstanding wink
                        Quote: seasoned
                        The Odessa woman disappeared

                        I and others talk to Odessa on Skype; she moved to Haifa and has a lot to do now.
                        Quote: seasoned
                        The sparrow was always outside the intersite slaughter.

                        Why was he and is he still flying into the site?
                        Quote: seasoned
                        Before that, he stated that I complain to the admin and moderators the most

                        You write complaints all the time and that’s just a fact!
                        1. -1
                          12 October 2013 15: 07
                          Quote: Alexander Romanov
                          You write complaints all the time and that’s just a fact!

                          I no longer communicate with you as an intriguer, but I allow you to post my complaints on the site. You can’t post it, you’re a cubed pi...ball!!! You've already been there twice wassat
                        2. 0
                          12 October 2013 15: 13
                          Quote: seasoned

                          I no longer communicate with you as if you were an intriguer

                          Add it to the emergency situation! You’re not writing to moderators, what are you asking for? By the way, you finally bought a car, I'm glad for you good
                  2. -3
                    12 October 2013 14: 34
                    Quote: Gleb
                    okay, banned? and Tronin too?

                    Tronin is an illiterate lamer who got into the moderation and stayed there for a long time... An illiterate populist, he did a lot of harm to the authorities... Well, they were removed somehow wassat Now another illiterate is trying to "steer" winked
                    1. 0
                      12 October 2013 14: 37
                      Well, you really have some kind of secret council... a kind of meeting? I didn’t even know that you were filming and appointing belay
                      1. 0
                        12 October 2013 14: 58
                        Quote: Gleb
                        I didn’t even know that you were filming and directing

                        No one appoints or removes anyone; this is done exclusively by the administration. Tronin left on his own, doesn’t want to be a moderator and that’s all. There’s nothing criminal here
            2. +1
              12 October 2013 14: 30
              Quote: seasoned
              I know who pulled me out of the ban and you weren’t even there.

              Of course not, lie, lie, yes Lech wink
              Quote: seasoned
              Previously, there was an alliance between Odessa, Sparrow, you and me, you betrayed everyone...

              The Odessa woman and the sparrows know laughing
              1. -4
                12 October 2013 14: 40
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Of course not, lie, lie, yes Lech

                I am not lying. I know and Smirnov can confirm who “signed up” for me, if you were only in the convoy hi I don’t argue against your popularity on the site, when people give + for any comment, I experienced it myself and gained so much rating (in total) that you can only stand in the corner wassat
                By yourself you are “0” and do not represent anything, your intrigues hit you yourself... I no longer play “+” and “-”, for me a forum member or a person or “so, something”, you are among people in you don't like my layout hi
                Smoke the sky of Vladivostok further and find fault with Kars.
                1. +4
                  12 October 2013 14: 51
                  Quote: seasoned
                  I am not lying.

                  Oh really? Well, you’re not lying, so you’re not lying, what should I do with you?
                  Quote: seasoned
                  By yourself you are “0” and don’t represent anything,

                  It's better to be small and modest than a big liar and a boor!
                  I feel sorry for you Lech, you can’t sit on the site as a human being. You definitely need an enemy. One problem, the more you sit and lie and be rude now, the more you will sink. You are already 46 or 47, but you behave like, well, you I know wink
                  1. fklj
                    +2
                    12 October 2013 14: 57
                    Sorry for interfering in the conversation. hi And if you cancel all these badges on the site and choose a moderator by voting - is this a way out? It seems that the articles here are secondary, and comments are the main purpose of topwar.ru
                  2. -4
                    12 October 2013 15: 15
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    It's better to be small and modest than a big liar and a boor!

                    Who did I lie to or be rude to? You yourself are a yap and a leech...
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    I feel sorry for you Lech, you can’t sit on the site like a human being.

                    They’re sitting in the zone, but they’re communicating on the website... I’ll understand that I’m superfluous, I’ll leave...
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    You definitely need an enemy.

                    In terms of your status and intelligence, you are like an enemy and are no more willing to do so, don’t flatter yourself and come closer to the urinal wassat
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    You’re already 46 or 47, and you’re behaving like, well, you know
                    I’m 46 and so far no one except you has reproached me for this.
                    I keep starting to communicate with an illiterate moderator. There will be no more reply comments from me. This is not a “drain”, just explaining... it’s a thankless task, you can give him glass... but he’ll only break it and cut his hands.
                    novels for me you have become and strengthened as a liar and an envious person. All dialogue is exhausted stop
                    1. +3
                      12 October 2013 15: 20
                      Quote: seasoned
                      All dialogue is exhausted

                      That's good - goodbye!
                    2. Dober
                      +4
                      12 October 2013 18: 41
                      Stop fighting already. They staged a shameful **zdablya** in “live broadcast”. On all branches... And begins "Bydaly" (no mistake!) - a fighter for the purity of the language.
                      It seems to me that the site has unofficially introduced a rule on the number of moderators. And those who want to “moderate” are increasing.
                      Let us remind you -
                2. fklj
                  0
                  12 October 2013 14: 58
                  Sorry for interfering in the conversation. hi And if you cancel all these badges on the site and choose a moderator by voting - is this a way out? It seems that the articles here are secondary, and comments are the main purpose of topwar.ru
                  1. 0
                    12 October 2013 15: 22
                    Quote: fklj
                    And if you cancel all these badges on the site and choose a moderator by voting - is this a way out?

                    It's been discussed a hundred times already.
                    Quote: fklj
                    It seems that the articles here are secondary

                    Who are Volodin and Chuvakin? If you want to write an article, go ahead. Many visitors write and post it themselves.
    72. go
      +3
      12 October 2013 12: 56
      If we talk about the shield emblem:

      1. The shield needs to be made wider, it does not have to copy the shield of the Slavs 100%, it should resemble it. It looks so much like the face of an alien.
      2. Instead of a white jackdaw, you need to make a jackdaw from a tricolor - there will be continuity with the flag.
      3. Add a sword behind the shield - so that they know that if anyone comes with a sword, they will die from the sword...
      4. Remove the star from the shield and transfer it to the hilt of the sword. (Although this is a Masonic symbol, we probably already have a lot to do with this)
      5. Apply the heraldic symbol of the Russian Army - an eagle - to the shield.
      6. Remove the red color on the field uniform - you can see it a kilometer away.

      I think in such a concept there will be a continuity of the traditions of the old and the new in one.
      No time for the count. editor - I'll draw it.

      But in general, it seems that the problem is not even in the sawing, but in the fact that, as often happens in Russia, it is not professionals who are sitting in their places. Therefore, they are simply unable to set priorities correctly and, instead of emblems, deal with rearmament, social and professional issues of the army - this will be the best promotion of the “Army” brand in society.

      But if we are talking about an emblem, then this must be done competently in order to honor the heraldic traditions of the past and present, and with an eye to the future.
      1. sashka
        0
        12 October 2013 13: 13
        Quote: go
        If we talk about the shield emblem:

        Do you really believe?
        walks around the country along with the Unified State Examination. Will there still be oh-oh-oh
    73. 0
      12 October 2013 13: 00
      Is it really so difficult to understand: “if it works, don’t touch it.” The emblem serves its intended purpose, so there is no need to change it. The proposed options are no good. We can only discuss the shield: I like it, but they use 2 similar shades of red and a complex shape, which is not good. SILA Bureau approached with humor. The Möbius strip is worth a lot.
    74. +1
      12 October 2013 13: 08
      Why is there a corporal's badge on that red shield?
      What, Honduras is itching again?
      nowhere to put the dengu?
    75. wax
      +3
      12 October 2013 13: 13
      I believe that the emblem of the Russian army is not the competence of the Minister of Defense or the Ministry of Defense. This is the competence of the country, its President and Supreme Commander-in-Chief. The emblem of the country's Armed Forces must be enshrined in law, as well as the anthem and flag. Stop treating the emblem like foot wraps. Serdyukov came - one emblem, Shoigu came - another emblem, Ivanov will come - a third...
    76. -1
      12 October 2013 13: 20
      And I offer this one.
      The only thing I don't like is the chevron shape. If you connect all its corners you will get an inverted star.

      What does it mean: the trinity of land, sea and aerospace forces.
      1. +8
        12 October 2013 13: 48
        inverted star:
        1. +4
          12 October 2013 13: 58
          well, if they want, some people even attract this
    77. opl34
      0
      12 October 2013 13: 42
      The red star is laconic, self-sufficient and beautiful.
      But the Ministry of Defense has set its sights on using the “extra” budget.
    78. +12
      12 October 2013 13: 43
      What's bad? Well, remove the hammer and sickle and change the inscription, but the shield and sword are very suitable symbols
      1. +2
        12 October 2013 13: 51
        Why does the army need KGB symbols? Let the intelligence and counterintelligence agencies mold this for themselves...
        1. +1
          12 October 2013 13: 56
          They took theirs away from the intelligence service, but the GBshnaya is not needed for nothing - the eternal “confrontation”))
    79. 0
      12 October 2013 14: 05
      Quote: Altona
      Why does the army need KGB symbols? Let the intelligence and counterintelligence agencies mold this for themselves...

      Yes, I don’t suggest GBshnaya. But as an option for playing with the symbols: star, shield, sword and inscription. By the way, I don’t think that young people know the symbols of the USSR and the KGB in particular very well
    80. San Vasilich
      -8
      12 October 2013 14: 05
      First option.
      1. +2
        12 October 2013 14: 23
        you'll fly into skulls))
        1. +5
          12 October 2013 17: 48
          Quote: Gleb
          you'll fly into skulls))

          Tell me in the skull which one you dug in
          1. 0
            13 October 2013 19: 42
            - One of the banners of the Kornilovites!
      2. +2
        12 October 2013 14: 45
        This is actually something Finno-Ugric...)))
    81. San Vasilich
      -10
      12 October 2013 14: 19
      Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
      1. +8
        12 October 2013 14: 26
        Plus for effort, minus for symbolism. You should also draw a marijuana sign. stop
        1. San Vasilich
          +1
          12 October 2013 16: 51
          Where did you see marijuana? This star style signifies rebirth.

          Well, or offer your own option. You won’t paint/put chevrons on equipment and helmets/caps/earflaps.
          1. SergBrNord
            0
            14 October 2013 00: 27
            Don't take it as insolence, but it looks like a Ku Klux Klan robe feel
    82. Dmitriy
      +2
      12 October 2013 14: 27
      What MO presented is tasteless and disgusting. It feels like there (in the Moscow Region) that’s all they do, sawing something, drawing similar emblems, trying on new caps (really, look at Lukashenko’s!). Pinochet did not have this.
    83. 0
      12 October 2013 14: 28
      Still, there is nothing better than a red star. But if you choose from the proposed samples, then this is probably the 6th and 7th emblem. Although they are not ideal. Here you have to think about it so that it can be clearly seen from a distance. And the blue-red will blur and look like crap brown.
      The red star is the best emblem.
    84. Cat
      -6
      12 October 2013 14: 38
      And I really like this one:
    85. San Vasilich
      -11
      12 October 2013 14: 42
      Ground Forces of the Russian Federation 1.
      1. +5
        12 October 2013 14: 48
        Well, why are you constantly drawing this daisy??...We don’t need this seven-flowered flower with five petals...
      2. -1
        12 October 2013 14: 48
        Quote: San Vasilich
        Ground Forces of the Russian Federation 1.

        Explain the meaning of the emblem.
        Are you planning to conquer five parts of the world? Do you mean “Workers of all countries unite”?
      3. +1
        12 October 2013 14: 52
        Not weak cartoons, you are playing San Vasilich....)))))))
        1. San Vasilich
          0
          12 October 2013 16: 38
          What cartoons? The hammer and sickle are no more. All stars are simple, but in Russia it (the star) should have a unique style. And the revival of the RF Armed Forces.
    86. Cat
      0
      12 October 2013 14: 55
      Let's dilute a little the general pathos of the interpretation of emblems from a military point of view
    87. San Vasilich
      -8
      12 October 2013 14: 56
      Ground Forces of the Russian Federation 2.
    88. Cat
      +5
      12 October 2013 14: 57
      Let's dilute a little the general pathos of the interpretation of emblems from a military point of view

      “I would fly to heaven, but they won’t let the eggs in”:
      1. +3
        12 October 2013 15: 42
        - “I turn the steering wheel and I want to take off... further in the text.
        1. Cat
          0
          12 October 2013 16: 28
          Quote: saygon66
          I turn the steering wheel and I want to take off.

          laughing laughing
    89. Cat
      +3
      12 October 2013 15: 02
      Let's dilute a little the general pathos of the interpretation of emblems from a military point of view

      “The battalion commander is throwing thunder and lightning, everyone is spinning like gears, but the matter has become anchored - and you can move the hell with a bulldozer”:
      1. +1
        12 October 2013 15: 39
        - "Turtle"
        1. +3
          12 October 2013 16: 51
          - "I was anchored for two years, spun like a saw, at work - like a bulldozer, in a self-propelled vehicle - like an arrow..."
    90. Cat
      +2
      12 October 2013 15: 05
      Let's dilute a little the general pathos of the interpretation of emblems from a military point of view
      \
      "underground beekeepers":
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. 0
        12 October 2013 15: 38
        -And, excuse me, "... lice" laughing
        1. Cat
          +1
          12 October 2013 17: 05
          Quote: saygon66
          And, excuse me, "... lice

          Let's be honest with ourselves - signalmen's emblems have always been called "mandavos"
      3. 0
        12 October 2013 18: 45
        There was a star in the middle of the wings!
    91. Cat
      +3
      12 October 2013 15: 08
      Let's dilute a little the general pathos of the interpretation of emblems from a military point of view

      “I’m sitting in the bushes and waiting for the “Hero””:
      Interpretation for dates (military financiers): “I can’t make ends meet”
    92. Cat
      +2
      12 October 2013 15: 11
      Let's dilute a little the general pathos of the interpretation of emblems from a military point of view

      I couldn’t find the emblem of military medics. But I remember the interpretation: “He’s as cunning as a snake and he’s not a fool to drink.”
      1. bask
        +1
        12 October 2013 15: 49
        Quote: Gato
        : "He's as cunning as a snake and he's not a fool to drink"

        Where without a drink, Gato good

        ""Not service, but raspberries."
        1. Alex 241
          +6
          12 October 2013 15: 57
          Hi Andryukh, I remember a joke: A father and son pass by a hospital, the boy sees this emblem and asks his father: what is this? to which the father replies: It’s your mother eating ice cream! laughing
          1. bask
            +1
            12 October 2013 16: 10
            Quote: Alex 241
            says: It's your mother eating ice cream!

            Hi Sash.
            Exactly. My favorite: The private asks, comrade political officer, what is relativity?
            Well, how can I explain it to you? For example, Lieutenant Petrova - from our medical unit, during the day, relative to Colonel Ivanov, who is lying in the medical unit, he is a lieutenant colonel, and at night, relative to her husband, Major Sidorov, he is a captain. But in general, in relation to our entire military unit - an ordinary fucking medical service. feel
            1. Alex 241
              +3
              12 October 2013 16: 16
              A passenger asks the flight attendant: Why is the plane called TU-134 2b, she replies: Well, TU-134 is such a model, and 2b is me and Lyubka laughing
              1. +1
                12 October 2013 16: 20
                healthy, Sash.
                Quote: Alex 241
                A passenger asks the flight attendant: Why is the plane called TU-134 2b, she replies: Well, TU-134 is such a model, and 2b is me and Lyubka

                -What is a “reactive husband”?
                - this is when the wife once, and the TU-144
              2. +1
                12 October 2013 16: 20
                Quote: Alex 241
                A passenger asks the flight attendant: Why is the plane called TU-134 2b, she replies: Well, TU-134 is such a model, and 2b is me and Lyubka laughing

                Alexander, just + and drinks
        2. Cat
          0
          12 October 2013 16: 30
          Oh, never seen green emblems
        3. Cat
          +1
          12 October 2013 17: 07
          Quote: bask
          Where without a drink, Gato

          Yes drinks
        4. 0
          12 October 2013 22: 01
          Another option is “mother-in-law eats ice cream”
      2. 0
        12 October 2013 15: 57
        - Well, here she is...
    93. Cat
      +2
      12 October 2013 15: 20
      Let's dilute a little the general pathos of the interpretation of emblems from a military point of view

      "H.. scored on the cannons":
      1. +1
        12 October 2013 15: 37
        - And also - "HORN"
        1. Cat
          +1
          12 October 2013 16: 07
          Quote: saygon66
          And also - "HORN"

          Exactly, and I was wondering why they tease the gunners as “horned”. And also “wood grouse”, well, that’s understandable.
          1. Alex 241
            +2
            12 October 2013 16: 10
            Tube eight, fraction sixteen.
            1. Cat
              +1
              12 October 2013 16: 34
              Quote: Alex 241
              Tube eight, fraction sixteen.

              And who is it on the radio yelling “fuck...! p...s, motherfuckers..., there are your own people right there!!!”
    94. +2
      12 October 2013 15: 30
      The shield made a cool emblem. Indeed, continuity of generations. And it looks unusual and dignified. And the star is there, and the color is red.
      Many are fixated on the Soviet red star, but the Russian Army is famous not only for the Soviet period. Russia has been in battle for at least five hundred years. And those guys who cut down the Polovtsians and other dog-knights in the attack had no idea about People’s Commissar Voroshilov and the tasks of the Red Army.
    95. +2
      12 October 2013 15: 32
      - It seems to me that identification marks should clearly and unambiguously show that their bearer belongs to any country (organization). The sign should be as simple and readable as possible, and a “red star” fits perfectly. It is just as easily recognizable as the Bundswehr cross, the Canadian maple leaf or the three crowns of the Swedes, the Polish red and white check. Moreover, the star is perfectly legible on any type of military equipment. In the current Russian Army, things are somehow strange with symbols. Emblems of military branches, groups, individual units - this is some kind of vinaigrette! Often it is not possible to identify a serviceman. The “staff” of Navy specialists is different for the better; by the way, it has remained unchanged since Soviet times. The signs of the districts of the Internal Troops are clearly legible. Here is how the patch of the 7th Brigade (1st Moscow, Minsk Division) has changed
      1. +2
        12 October 2013 15: 34
        - It seems beautiful, and nothing was forgotten, but it’s unreadable! And if you convert it to protective colors, then nothing at all.
        1. SergBrNord
          0
          14 October 2013 00: 31
          Apparently, the person who drew this emblem wanted to fully reflect the essence, show it, but did not know how to stylize and minimize it.
    96. +5
      12 October 2013 15: 33
      Stupid attempts at self-praise.
      One introduced the police, abolished Ilyich's light bulb and introduced eternal winter time.
      Others are not satisfied RED BANNER, RED STAR and "HAMMER AND SICKLE".
      But I am not satisfied with these reformers. am
      1. Mature naturalist
        0
        12 October 2013 23: 23
        Quote: individ
        and introduced eternal winter time.

        And I like the current tense, that it doesn’t need to be translated.
        Although, of course, it was necessary to set not summer time, but winter time - it is closer to solar time - they say it is more comfortable for the body.
    97. yu64gb
      -5
      12 October 2013 15: 38
      Hello everyone, I propose my version of the emblem with the preservation of the star:
      1. +2
        13 October 2013 09: 33
        Quote: yu64gb
        t emblems with saving star:

        Drawing troops?
    98. +2
      12 October 2013 15: 39
      Let's introduce a globe with azimuths, there will be a reference to NATO and a memory of service in the Ministry of Emergency Situations... Apparently Kuzhugetych is taking his design idea there in terms of attributes... laughing
    99. San Vasilich
      -12
      12 October 2013 15: 42
      Air Force of the Russian Federation.
      1. 0
        13 October 2013 13: 10
        Dear, maybe that's enough already? :)
    100. GREAT RUSSIA
      +13
      12 October 2013 16: 02
      The most magnificent sign is a simple red star. Let this star remain on tanks, planes, ships, missiles, etc.

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