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The war in Yugoslavia through the eyes of a Ukrainian mercenary

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Historywhich I want to tell Ukrainian readers here, has already caused a flurry of comments in Belarus, among which mistrust dominated and, in general, the accusations against the author that he wrote all this, in other words, lied.


The war in Yugoslavia through the eyes of a Ukrainian mercenary


First of all, a few words why I decided to tell about it. The controversy surrounding the scandal of the Belarusian state-owned enterprise Belaruskali, the Russian enterprise Uralkali and the arrest of the citizen of Russia Baumgertner by the Belarusian authorities by the Belarusian authorities continues in Belarus. One Belarusian published material "Potash business." The main message of the author: all Belarusian analysts, comparing the behavior of the Belarusian authorities, “the Baumgertner case”, from the standpoint “as analysts in the West do” make a monstrous mistake. Because Belarus Lukashenko is not the West, but the main principle of Western civilization is the Rule of Law!

“Yes, he does not always and obviously does not work everywhere, but he, at least, exists and is trying to strive for it. ... Even the most professional lawyer today will responsibly say - the grounds for the criminal prosecution of this Russian are not just far-fetched, but they most likely simply do not exist, do not exist, they simply did not exist, that’s why the hostage! ”

That is, in the West, Civilization with a capital letter. And in Belarus dictatorship with a capital letter. And therefore, the West is almost always right, and Belarus in the case with Uralkali and the hostage Baumgertner is not automatically right.

I admit, this is what “torknul” me: Western civilization is the rule of law. And that memory which I decided to tell everyone clearly came to mind. First! For Belarus and Ukraine! And then believe or not believe - your business. By the way, this is a story about modern Western Civilization. About morals, geopolitics, the struggle of the West for "a place under the sun" in the 21 century. I have never told this to anyone before in such cruel details. And by and large this can not be told. But you drove me, fools, boobies, and other sincere "Westerners" of Belarus! I didn't want her to go to God.

About eight years ago, fate brought me together in the Netherlands to work with one man, under 50. He was not alone with his son. Both from Ukraine. We arrived illegally to earn extra money through the familiar Ukrainians in Holland, the need made. We work for a week or two, communicate a little. And one day after work, he says to me: "Let's go where we sit, have a beer, drink." Why not? Noticed. Saddled their bikes after work, drove around Amsterdam. We went to the store, bought a few cans of beer, sat in the park. Banks in packages so that the police would not find fault, we sit, drink, talk about different things. And suddenly he says to me: “I see you are an interesting person, you can talk about everything with you. What if I tell you my story? ”I:“ What? Come on, if you want. What about? ”He:“ I am a former Soviet-era military. And what I want to tell you is tormenting my soul, I have to share it with someone. ” I answer: "Come on, I do not mind, there is time."

And he told. Former officer of the USSR Special Forces. A professional killer, without "Ponte", a real man, you can believe. There is something in the eye that you immediately believe — this one will really kill, if necessary. How to express this impression? I do not know, in appearance, an ordinary person, slightly closed. Emotionally calm, cool, almost steel look. "Inanimate" look. There is no life in sight, I already realized that later, there most likely the “look of death” should look. Detached and calm. Almost indifferent.

Well, a person had such a profession in the times of the USSR in the ranks of the armed forces of the SA: to sabotage, blow up, kill, command saboteurs. And the USSR collapsed. His seniority was sacked for retirement. The difficult years began and he, like many hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians in his native Ukraine, moved to the end of 90's to earn money. I chose Italy for some reason. For several years he worked in different jobs. Having learned a little language, he worked as a truck driver for garbage collection. Paid well. Then in Italy he lost his job. He began to roam, look for earnings. One day a certain person came out to him. My interlocutor did not tell who it was, Italian or American. They sat down, drank, talked. He was offered to work on the former military profession in the Balkans, well, that is, to make war. There was nothing to do, he agreed. The conditions are as follows: he is being transferred to a military base in Italy, his military skills and physical endurance are being tested there, then they are given a task and after some time they are being sent to a military base in the Balkans. The duration of the trip is about a year, then how it goes. Where, what place in the Balkans in the conversation with me this person did not specify.

In short, he was recruited by a mercenary and the commander of other mercenaries in the partisan war on the side of the Bosnian Muslims. This I have already independently figured out from his conversation that he fought against Muslims and most likely with Bosnians. He did not speak the details on this topic. And this is understandable: he himself is from a Christian country, one might say a Christian, and I had to fight on the side of the Muslims in the former Yugoslavia, to fight against Orthodox Christians.

Who recruited? Sort of like this: some Western secret service (s) in Italy. Italian, American, British, German? I do not know. I know one thing for sure: from one of the countries of the West. Paid well. At the beginning of each month in Ukraine, a man came to his house and silently handed the envelope to the interlocutor's wife with the sum of 5000 dollars. After that, my friend called home, was convinced of receiving a prepayment, and then proceeded to perform the dirty military work assigned to him.

What was that job? He was appointed commander of a small subversive partisan detachment. Every month he was sent a 10-20 man, sometimes more, mercenaries from other countries of the world for the next combat raid. As a rule, these mercenaries were either from North African countries or from Middle East. All Muslims. According to him, all these people, including African blacks, were complete human shit, trash, garbage. Often addicts. Every month he was given a task on the map. Then they were in the mountains, often at night, put forward in the mountains of Yugoslavia in the direction of certain settlements. Sometimes, according to him, he had to go through the mountains, along winding paths to the place where the task was carried out, up to 80 kilometers. Severe physical exertion. According to my interlocutor, he lost weight in the 10 months of war by a mercenary on 18 kg., He was easily injured in the leg. I incredulously asked:

- Show the wound.

Showed. Indeed, it looks like a bullet wound.

“What did you do in those localities then?” I asked.

“They were killing,” he answered shortly.

"Whom?"

- Everyone in a row. Civilian population: women, old people, children, men.

- Why?

“We were given the task of sowing an atmosphere of fear, panic, terror in these specific areas of Yugoslavia, so that then the frightened population of hundreds of thousands of refugees fled from their homes, villages, towns, and villages. In general, I organized a “humanitarian catastrophe” in Yugoslavia.

“How did this happen?” I asked.

“Have you not watched war films?” Like the Germans, during the war, they broke into villages and burned, killed everyone, pouring lead from machine guns on everyone, so I, with my regular Muslim-African detachment, came down from the mountains and attacked peaceful settlements. You have no idea what a thrill a Muslim mercenary caught while killing Christians.

- And what a thrill, what was it expressed in?

“It happened that they would put small children on bayonets, women would rip their bellies with knives and so on. And they laughed wildly like animals, from the pleasure of seeing the Christians they kill. Half, if not more of my mercenaries, took drugs.

- What happened after such a raid? Did you return to base?

- Not here it was! When I was hired for a “job”, I was given one indispensable condition: after completing each bloody raid, I had to return to the base to my employers ONE.

- Like this? And the mercenaries?

- Do not understand?

- Not really.

“I had to return alone, and I had to kill all my subordinates in the detachment on the way to the base under one pretext or another.” One and all. Witnesses punitive "shares" should not be alive, not one. This was a personal order for me: always, by carrying out a punitive action, I had to personally “remove” all members of my unit.

- Gee! And how did you do it? Did you manage?

- Is always.

- Tell me.

- Returned slowly, with numerous stops. In the evening, before a night's lodging, I will put them, these “dummies”, on protection, at various points in the mountains, and then I go to check their “posts” after a while. I come to check it on the “post”, we talk, and then I silently kill him.

- What language did you speak? How "cleaned" the witnesses?

- English, rarely Italian. How? Well, here I am talking with "him" ... And man is such an amazing animal, - his intuition is developed at the highest level. I talk to some Muslim mercenary after the operation before his liquidation, and he looks at me with his eyes, and I see in his eyes that he understands everything, he realizes that I came to kill him, this is his natural intuition that tells him. And he, as a rule, looks at me with frightened eyes, his eyes "run" confusedly around. His intuition tells him: "run." But he thinks not by intuition, but by the brain. And the brain tells him to stay. Well, here I catch the moment and knife it. Sometimes a pistol with a silencer. Sometimes from an automaton.

- Like this? After all, you can hear it in the mountains.

- So they are "chumps". I then explain to the others: for not fulfilling an order, I have eliminated such and such. Or build them in the "system". I'll start carping at one or two. And then one or two in the "ranks" directly and kill with a pistol or machine gun.

- And how did the others react at this time? After all, could in response to start shooting?

- Yes, they were shaking from fear at this time. In general, as a rule, Africans or Arabs, they are very afraid of the white military mercenary-commander. They are still being warned at the base: for non-compliance with the orders of the commander, “this” has the right to shoot each of you. So they know. And obeyed great. And here I am on the way back .... all ...

- How did you feel after that?

- At first I could not sleep at night. Then you get used to it. But in general, the psyche is gradually going “on horseback”.

- And how many such corpses are on you?

- Many, very many. Why I decided to talk to you ... It's hard for me to carry in myself ... crushes. It is necessary to share with someone, after a conversation it becomes easier.

- How many have you fought so?

- Ten months. There were many such detachments as I had there. As a result, we really organized a “humanitarian catastrophe” in the Balkans.

- What then?

“And then at some point I realized that soon, very soon, they would start“ cleaning up ”us as unnecessary witnesses of the Western intervention in the war in the Balkans. And I began to think about how and where to “make legs” from my “employers”.

- And how did it happen?

- I happened to meet Russian helicopter pilots who also fought at the same time as mercenaries. It was possible to agree with them that one day they would take me to a helicopter and throw kilometers on 200-250 away from conflicts. So I ended up doing it, in simple terms, I chose the moment and ran away. As a result, he remained alive. Then he returned to Ukraine on the crossbar of the fence.

- Clear. But what are you doing here, then? Why not in Ukraine? You should have enough money now.

- So the fact of the matter is that the money for the murders did not go to me.

- Like this?

- I have two sons. A senior in Ukraine, while I was fighting there, I bought 8 cars as much. Of these, the 2 minibus. Addicted to drinking, parties. Several cars crashed, two stolen. He got into debt. In general, when I returned home, no cars, no money. Some cars were taken for debts. In short, do not send me this money earned for the good. Now, we came here with the younger one, working with a friend, trying to help the eldest son get out of debt.

Before evening, we parted. My interlocutor said: "Thank you."

- Yes, for what? It's my pleasure !

- Not. Thank. It is hard for me, sometimes oh how pulls to relieve the soul.

- And you "these" do not accidentally dream?

- Not. But I remember and feel everything.

Shook hands. Finally, he suddenly said: “You know, GOD is.”

It was getting dark. Amsterdam was immersed in a wonderful summer evening.

PS When a few years later it thundered in Libya, then in Syria, when they began to talk about “rebels”, I began to remember more and more often that of my long-time interlocutor. And every time I think that the “benevolent” hands of the Western intelligence services have never been there anywhere, as they once did without the hands of that military mercenary from Ukraine, by the will of fate I once met in Amsterdam.

So what about the Western civilization, based on the law, gentlemen of romance? It is based on blood, and only then on the Right. On the Big Blood. Big geopolitics is almost always blood. And to understand who is on which side is right, and who is wrong is almost impossible. The USSR in Afghanistan destroyed 1 a million Afghans. Have any politicians been legally responsible? Military? No one. Has anyone in the West been legally liable for the “deriban” of Yugoslavia? No one. For Iraq, Libya? No one. Now is the turn of Syria. And you say right. No right in the world! It remains the right of the Force! USA, the West is stronger. Russia is an outsider. From here and "deriban".
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  1. George
    George 11 October 2013 09: 13 New
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    A piercing story, but hard to believe.
    Even if fiction, the main thing in this story:
    So the fact of the matter is that this money for the killings did not go to me for the future.

    It’s hard for me to carry it in myself ... it crushes.
    1. 123dv
      123dv 11 October 2013 09: 51 New
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      And what seems unconvincing to you?
      Fascist Germany was nurtured in exactly the same way and exactly the same, and attacked us 72 years ago. And in the same way she was stripped. And the most important surviving witnesses were publicly executed at the end. (and all the assets of the Reich were exported to the states, gold, technology, research results and scientists)
      1. George
        George 11 October 2013 10: 23 New
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        Quote: 123dv
        And what seems unconvincing to you?

        It seems unconvincing to me to eliminate all the accomplices.
        They returned slowly, with numerous stops. In the evening, before spending the night, I will put them, these "boobs", at different points in the mountains to guard, and then I go to check their "posts" after some time. I come to check him for a “post”, we talk, and then I kill him silently.

        10-20 people in the squad, okay, I admit, the first ten can be banged under the pretext of violation, but ten more what It is embarrassing, especially since he himself speaks of the intuition of subordinate animals.
        1. Lech from our city
          Lech from our city 11 October 2013 10: 29 New
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          I have somewhere downloaded photos of killed civilians in Yugoslavia for this period of time - heaps of corpses and puddles of blood.
          A normal soldier will refuse to do this, but it’s just a strange country for mercenaries, strangers can be brutalized as much as they like (as is happening in Syria now)
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          2. old man54
            11 October 2013 18: 13 New
            +7
            Quote: Lech from our city
            I have somewhere downloaded photos of killed civilians in Yugoslavia for this period of time - heaps of corpses and puddles of blood.

            hi
        2. 123dv
          123dv 11 October 2013 12: 22 New
          +7
          The same garbage in Syria. Mention is also made of the SHA’s desire to bang militants as well. Probably, as the task set by him is completed. winked
          1. honest jew
            honest jew 11 October 2013 14: 32 New
            -34
            Looks like good grass buys in Amsterdam, this Ukrainian and his interlocutor, that so suffered ....
            1. vjhbc
              vjhbc 11 October 2013 22: 04 New
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              your truth, I also heard that the Jews themselves invented the Holocaust, but in reality they helped the Reich in labor camps in the fight against communism
              Quote: honest Jew
              Looks like good grass buys in Amsterdam, this Ukrainian and his interlocutor, that so suffered ....
            2. Current 72
              Current 72 12 October 2013 02: 38 New
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              If YOU were an honest Jew, YOU would not freeze such crap .----- Minus YOU!
            3. VARCHUN
              VARCHUN 19 October 2013 15: 16 New
              +1
              You don’t go to the Balkans to go to the Muslims? I’d just like to know how it is from the source. Do you want to go and take your hat.
    2. honest jew
      honest jew 11 October 2013 14: 23 New
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      Bullshit !!! A real commando will not tell the first comer about his service, let alone a mercenary !! All the more, show the wounds to the boys !! A seasoned wolf is always a wolf and he will not creep in front of the sheep; to write confessions ....


      article mythomania !!!! laughing hi
      1. Lech from our city
        Lech from our city 11 October 2013 14: 35 New
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        maybe - is the Jewish Holocaust interesting from this series too?
        1. REZMovec
          REZMovec 11 October 2013 18: 25 New
          +9
          But what about! From this one. Hitler himself is a half-blood, Jews brought and supported all 12 years of power, and they organized the so-called "Holocaust" ...
      2. carbofo
        carbofo 11 October 2013 15: 58 New
        +8
        Quote: honest Jew
        will not tell the first comer about his service

        People are different.
        When you are doing a just thing, in conscience, this is one thing, and then they rolled off the coils.
        And then the work of the executioner from the Gestapo, not everyone will pull.
      3. rexby63
        rexby63 11 October 2013 17: 36 New
        +6
        A real commando will not tell the first comer about his service, let alone a mercenary


        Otto Skorzeny. "Diversion is my craft."
        Pavel Sudoplatov. Special operations. Lubyanka and the Kremlin 1930-1950.
        Although in relation to the story above, I have doubts. The color is a little yellowish and some hysteria is present
      4. Skiff-2
        Skiff-2 11 October 2013 18: 17 New
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        Quote: honest Jew
        article mythomania !!!!

        Mythogenic? Yes, I know a few similar stories, in the mid-90s they actively and almost openly recruited, and my comrades also tried to me, someone in Africa frolic, someone in the "Foreign Legion" ... and about I heard of Yugoslavia that they were involved in the massacre, and that because of this they became the most despised people in the Balkans. And the mercenary will not be worth the money, because God is there and you cannot feed children on someone else’s blood (it was not said for a Jew).
      5. REZMovec
        REZMovec 11 October 2013 18: 22 New
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        How does an "Honest Jew" say that it is untrue in the behavior of the West? This is all done. "Democracy" is built on blood. If you do not understand this, I feel sorry for you. Although the world is ruled by "honest and fluffy Jews" in the person of the Rockefklers, Morgan and others like them ...
      6. VARCHUN
        VARCHUN 19 October 2013 15: 20 New
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        There is such a thing — moral cleansing — of course you Jews even don’t have such a concept you showed yours 2000 years ago. But he just threw it out and he didn’t care for a long time as an officer, he was just a mercenary killer and maybe even wants his death.
    3. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 11 October 2013 15: 43 New
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      People, what are you discussing? This is an invention of pure water.
      Start over.
      +++ We went into the store, bought some cans of beer, sat in the park. Banks in bags so that the police do not find fault +++
      The author has clearly never been to Holland. Even for hard workers there it is more convenient to go to an inexpensive pub and drink beer. And the author clearly revised American films about sachets on banks, these bags are not rolled in the Netherlands and the police will be fined heavily for drinking and will still be arrested as illegal.
      Further. The author indicates that the case was eight years ago, which means in 2005, the peasant was 50 years old. He was fired after seniority from the army in the early 90's. That is, at the time of termination of service, our commando was 35-38 years old. Well, how old he was for special forces. Moreover, having such rare experience and skills, our commando did not go to serve in the Security Service of Ukraine, or the Ministry of Internal Affairs, where at that time they took such people with pleasure, did not work in any security structure or finally did not put together a gang and held, shaking local entrepreneurs, as many specialists did, and went to work as a garbage truck driver. Maybe he wasn’t fired because of his length of service, but according to the testimony of a psychiatrist?
      By the way, the author of the tales trivially confuses the war in Bosnia and the war in Kosovo. The war in Bosnia was in 1992-1995, and like our commandos who left for Europe in the late 90s, he could not participate in it, but meanwhile he kills Bosnian Muslims. It was fought in Kosovo in 1998-1999, but for the author all is one.
      The stories about 80-kilometer marches in the mountains with drug addicts are especially touching. I see how the faces of blacks who have turned yellow from hepatitis storm the mountain peaks. I advise the author to drink beer and try to conquer at least a low slope of the Crimean mountains with pyah. Illumination will do in the first third of the ascent.
      About the wound. My cousin has a skin burn from battery acid, so he also rubbed the girls on the beach that he burned in a tank in Afghanistan, and you know, many believed ...
      About stripping a squad, this is generally a song. Well, he would somehow eliminate them all at once, but ten healthy, frostbitten foreheads are waiting like sheep of their turn. Just some "Ten Little Indians" by Agatha Christie. And stories about the fear of white Arabs. Something I did not notice that Khattab and his henchmen of white people would be afraid.
      Well, the final pearls. Then the author generally went logic. According to the commando’s story, the money was transferred to his wife in Ukraine in cash. We omit such questions about bank accounts, etc., the author is not up to them. But where does our hero run from retaliation? Home to Ukraine! Why the same uncle who was carrying the money to his wife did not slap the commandos at home - it is not clear.
      So what's next? Our hero goes abroad again. He probably crawled to Holland because he needed to detect his necessary structures when issuing a visa to Europe.
      People do not get fooled by outright clumsy inventions. At school, I had a Trudovik who told how in the war he carried partisans weapons, food and even shot Germans. We children believed until we accidentally saw his passport with his birth year 1949. Now this Trudovik would anneal in LiveJournal. If I mastered between hard drinking.
      1. rexby63
        rexby63 11 October 2013 17: 38 New
        +3
        Thank you, all on the shelves. That's what I think that the smell of this "epic" is not "ice."
      2. Doctorleg
        Doctorleg 11 October 2013 19: 18 New
        +6
        Quote: Drosselmeyer
        People, what are you discussing? This is an invention of pure water.
        Start over.
        +++ We went into the store, bought some cans of beer, sat in the park. Banks in bags so that the police do not find fault +++
        The author has clearly never been to Holland. Even for hard workers there it is more convenient to go to an inexpensive pub and drink beer. And the author clearly revised American films about sachets on banks, these bags are not rolled in the Netherlands and the police will be fined heavily for drinking and will still be arrested as illegal.
        Further. The author indicates that the case was eight years ago, which means in 2005, the peasant was 50 years old. He was fired after seniority from the army in the early 90's. That is, at the time of termination of service, our commando was 35-38 years old. Well, how old he was for special forces. Moreover, having such rare experience and skills, our commando did not go to serve in the Security Service of Ukraine, or the Ministry of Internal Affairs, where at that time they took such people with pleasure, did not work in any security structure or finally did not put together a gang and held, shaking local entrepreneurs, as many specialists did, and went to work as a garbage truck driver. Maybe he wasn’t fired because of his length of service, but according to the testimony of a psychiatrist?
        By the way, the author of the tales trivially confuses the war in Bosnia and the war in Kosovo. The war in Bosnia was in 1992-1995, and like our commandos who left for Europe in the late 90s, he could not participate in it, but meanwhile he kills Bosnian Muslims. It was fought in Kosovo in 1998-1999, but for the author all is one.
        The stories about 80-kilometer marches in the mountains with drug addicts are especially touching. I see how the faces of blacks who have turned yellow from hepatitis storm the mountain peaks. I advise the author to drink beer and try to conquer at least a low slope of the Crimean mountains with pyah. Illumination will do in the first third of the ascent.
        About the wound. My cousin has a skin burn from battery acid, so he also rubbed the girls on the beach that he burned in a tank in Afghanistan, and you know, many believed ...
        About stripping a squad, this is generally a song. Well, he would somehow eliminate them all at once, but ten healthy, frostbitten foreheads are waiting like sheep of their turn. Just some "Ten Little Indians" by Agatha Christie. And stories about the fear of white Arabs. Something I did not notice that Khattab and his henchmen of white people would be afraid.
        Well, the final pearls. Then the author generally went logic. According to the commando’s story, the money was transferred to his wife in Ukraine in cash. We omit such questions about bank accounts, etc., the author is not up to them. But where does our hero run from retaliation? Home to Ukraine! Why the same uncle who was carrying the money to his wife did not slap the commandos at home - it is not clear.
        So what's next? Our hero goes abroad again. He probably crawled to Holland because he needed to detect his necessary structures when issuing a visa to Europe.
        People do not get fooled by outright clumsy inventions. At school, I had a Trudovik who told how in the war he carried partisans weapons, food and even shot Germans. We children believed until we accidentally saw his passport with his birth year 1949. Now this Trudovik would anneal in LiveJournal. If I mastered between hard drinking.

        Listen, and we did not study at the same school. The Trudovik also fed us similar fables, instead of a labor lesson. Or are they all Trudoviks?
      3. samoletil18
        samoletil18 13 October 2013 10: 37 New
        +3
        Fiction is not fiction. And how many civil Serbs were exterminated in front of NATO peacekeepers in Kosovo? In those years, I had a firm conviction that for the West the main enemy - Orthodoxy, is better than a Muslim than a Serb. At least the facts of the Serb genocide were, and, in large quantities. And the "atrocities" of the Serbs are revealed, but not always confirmed, because judges (only western ones) are very interested in the death of the accused, not the convict.
    4. air wolf
      air wolf 11 October 2013 15: 48 New
      +5
      I heard even more terrible, but it really was, there was another way, as our mercenaries really sausage the Albans and all the other riffraff, the shame of Russia that allowed it, Yeltsin, to dig out and send to the United States, but only to cut into pieces and all who it is allowed to answer.
  2. Lech from our city
    Lech from our city 11 October 2013 09: 20 New
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    I did not read this article somewhere long ago.
    I fully admit that this could be because the methods and handwriting of warfare are surprisingly reminiscent of the methods of the special services CAS and MI6 of England.
    In fact, described only the tip of the iceberg if you dig a lot deeper a lot of disgusting things you can find out, you will not sleep peacefully.
    1. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 11 October 2013 09: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: Lech from our city
      if you dig deeper

      Yes, someone begins these "popular unrest". So, quite a possible plot.
      1. Shotoff
        Shotoff 11 October 2013 15: 56 New
        +5
        Unsure about the cleansing of mercenaries, but about the murder of civilians by Muslim mercenaries in order to provoke the Serbs - I believe without hesitation. One of my acquaintances, a retired SBS (the same as SAS, only the Navy obeyed), who took part in the war in the Balkans (of course I didn’t tell details, in general terms), said that all these "charms" had a place to be. Of course I didn’t say who specifically participated and by whose insulting, but he urged me to believe in the fact itself. The discussion is also from the category of "if you want to believe it, if you want to, no, but I was there."
        1. old man54
          11 October 2013 18: 19 New
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          Quote: Shotoff
          said that all these "charms" had a place to be. Of course I didn’t say who specifically participated and by whose insulting, but he urged me to believe in the fact itself. The discussion is also from the category of "you want to believe, you want to - no, but I was there."
  3. Proud.
    Proud. 11 October 2013 09: 24 New
    +2
    I don’t know, maybe it didn’t, it could (There is much in the world, friend of Horatio, which is not subject to our sages ...) Or maybe:It was getting dark. Amsterdam was immersed in a wonderful summer evening.
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  4. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 11 October 2013 09: 25 New
    +1
    Th read it, already twitched! it’s unpleasant to learn about this, if true.
  5. Stiletto
    Stiletto 11 October 2013 09: 27 New
    +6
    Well what can I say? T BARP.
    1. Lech from our city
      Lech from our city 11 October 2013 09: 31 New
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      You should not scold him, he is just a tool in the hands of real murderers from EUROPE.
      Once I read the revelations of the English sergeant SENT WITH A SIMILAR MISSION either to LIBYA or to IRAQ (I DO NOT REMEMBER ALREADY) - his revelations under the carbon copy are similar to this article.
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 11 October 2013 09: 54 New
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        Quote: Lech from our city
        You should not scold him, he is just a tool in the hands of real murderers from EUROPE.


        Do not justify it - the tool is a brainless machine, not a person. There was an article here when a German refused to shoot prisoners, standing on a par with them and dying like a MAN.
        But this one remained, but not as a person, but as D ... mo, who decided both his own and those of others - stupidly for money, without conviction, without principles. Why should I not "scold" and should "justify" the SS ?!
        1. Lech from our city
          Lech from our city 11 October 2013 10: 08 New
          +4
          Yes, I agree to justify it is not worth it, to judge him by what laws and whose country?
          And the main culprits were not punished - who paid him gave weapons, sheep - mercenaries, and finally the task of killing civilians.
          And God has not punished him yet — the real punishment for this person is yet to come, and I think it will correspond to the gravity of the deed.
        2. pawel57
          pawel57 11 October 2013 12: 28 New
          +6
          The man had a military profession - to destroy the opponents of the Motherland. The motherland was dismembered, having committed an even bigger crime than him. He was brought to a beggarly beastly state. For some reason, you are not particularly indignant at the people who clouded these wars, Clinton, Albright, Kozyreva with the company. We have to take away the all-Motherland profession and throw it in the trash. I was paid a pension for half a year-extorted a bribe. I climbed friends' gardens in the nights to feed small children. The city is small and there is no work for the bandits. It’s torment because the war was unfair on his part, that’s the Slavic mentality tormented. I saw the former GDRs in the GDR's gashtas, they seem to repent only in words, but by the face we can see that they are not and even are proud of themselves.
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 11 October 2013 13: 44 New
            +3
            Former officer of the special forces of the USSR. Professional killer,

            “What did you do in those localities then?” I asked.

            “They were killing,” he answered shortly.


            At this time, the hungry and dirty army of the Russian Federation laid the heads of young soldiers in Grozny ...
      2. Joonkey
        Joonkey 11 October 2013 17: 17 New
        +2
        You should not scold him, he is just a tool in the hands of real murderers from EUROPE


        Yes, it’s not worth scolding him, he must be hanged as a war criminal. But it was not need that made him, but greed!
        1. REZMovec
          REZMovec 11 October 2013 19: 23 New
          +2
          If you haven’t "worked" for the Serbs - let him live in peace ...
          Greed is another. An example is the Chechen wars, when their thousands were surrendered to the “Czechs" for "loot" and also armed in full. Starting from the generals and ending with "ensigns" ...
  6. not good
    not good 11 October 2013 09: 40 New
    +1
    It’s quite plausible, because all sorts of hutabs in our land didn’t stagger at the call of the Komsomol heart. Unfortunately, MONEY RULES THE WORLD and those who pay deep spit on people and those who are ready for anything grandmother-GOD JUDGE. But what’s exactly, happiness comes from there will be no bloody money.
  7. bomg.77
    bomg.77 11 October 2013 09: 56 New
    +1
    I believe that this actually happened, you can’t imagine.
  8. Speedy
    Speedy 11 October 2013 10: 30 New
    +8
    They brought money home, i.e. they knew where his wife and children live, and he took and faded ... In my opinion, fiction, on the topic of lawlessness of the West, which, perhaps, was even tougher and meaner.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 11 October 2013 13: 18 New
      0
      But what about the fact that the owners knew where he and his relatives live? There was no point in killing them, just making noise. He was not going to go to the Hague court with stories about his "art", and he would not blackmail his masters either, he would have had enough intelligence. Yes, and would not have believed him and his family.
      1. Speedy
        Speedy 11 October 2013 13: 27 New
        +3
        It turns out he was not strong and kept, could just leave. In life, of course, there are many different things. But it seems to me this is an artist. Instructive, maybe based on motives and impressions but an artist.
  9. The gentleman
    The gentleman 11 October 2013 10: 37 New
    0
    scary of course. in general, the collapse of the USSR led to the creation of a huge number of mercenaries who could not find themselves in the new state, but could not do anything else but to kill. Especially noted, Muslims slaughtered Christians. drugs do their job here. drug addict, especially in breaking , there is no humanity, nation, religion. just certain minds know how to influence and control people
  10. ed65b
    ed65b 11 October 2013 10: 41 New
    -5
    and our volunteers at that time were doing about the same thing only on the other side.
    1. waisson
      waisson 11 October 2013 20: 19 New
      +1
      answer for the words am
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  12. understudy
    understudy 11 October 2013 10: 47 New
    +2
    There are no complaints to the author, but to his interlocutor ... Discrepancy: felt, escaped ... did not fulfill the terms of the "contract"? And after that, he and his relatives were left alive?
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 11 October 2013 13: 20 New
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      And the point of getting dirty? No one would prove anything.
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  16. Sunjar
    Sunjar 11 October 2013 11: 07 New
    +5
    If there is hell, then Satan will prepare for him the fate and pain of all whom he killed. And mercenaries are mercenaries: without principles, pity, or at least some humane principles. And they will always commit monstrous crimes in areas of military conflict. I repeat: the most just punishment for them is that they feel the pain that they once brought to their victims.
    1. 311ove
      311ove 11 October 2013 11: 37 New
      +1
      Although, he would have hr .. grown on his forehead! Its a little family, yes there !!!!
    2. old man54
      11 October 2013 18: 21 New
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      Quote: Sunjar
      If there is hell, then Satan will prepare for him the fate and pain of all whom he killed.

      I'm sorry, but you do not understand the principle of the essence of Hell, nor its purpose nor its functioning! And if you do not understand why write nonsense? hi
  17. Ross
    Ross 11 October 2013 11: 47 New
    +4
    Quote: Lech from our city
    A normal soldier will refuse to do this, but it’s just a strange country for mercenaries, strangers can be brutalized as much as they like (as is happening in Syria now)


    Remember the snipers in Moscow in 1993 who shot in the back. All the same trace.
    1. Lech from our city
      Lech from our city 11 October 2013 11: 53 New
      +2
      Yes, then ALPHA and VIMPEL refused to SURVE THE WHITE HOUSE because they understood there would be many killed and wounded people have one life and this is not a computer shooter.
      Yeltsin him..dye harbored a grudge against our officers, then took revenge.
      As for the snipers on the roofs, it is still unclear who it was (there are no direct witnesses) - there is a version that this is the work of the American special services (the American embassy was nearby and the places of those events were viewed from its roof).
      1. Sunjar
        Sunjar 11 October 2013 12: 37 New
        +4
        One of the commanders of the Airborne Forces company saw snipers firing from the roof of the US Embassy. Unfortunately I can’t name the source and the person: I don’t remember.

        And this is the most, Lech from our city, already harass people with scary pictures. And so the topic is vile, and here you are still with such nightmarish photo reports.
        1. Lech from our city
          Lech from our city 11 October 2013 12: 53 New
          +1
          Yes, I agree with you - but I just don’t want a similar disaster to come to our house (it’s better to know the truth)
        2. Doctorleg
          Doctorleg 11 October 2013 19: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Sunjar
          One of the commanders of the Airborne Forces company saw snipers firing from the roof of the US Embassy. Unfortunately I can’t name the source and the person: I don’t remember.

          And this is the most, Lech from our city, already harass people with scary pictures. And so the topic is vile, and here you are still with such nightmarish photo reports.

          Just the White House defenders say they fired from the city hall, where the headquarters of the internal troops was. Because, like, the city hall was captured
          1. grapefruit
            grapefruit 17 October 2013 22: 29 New
            0
            In 93, in the hospital with me, in the same ward there was a major, VV, they cleaned the city hall. quote from that major "our sniper didn’t work, someone else worked very smartly, and in CMEA (he said exactly that) there was enough blood on the walls and the ceiling"
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 11 October 2013 18: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Ross
      Remember the snipers in Moscow in 1993 who shot in the back. All the same trace.

      In the Baltic states a telecentre .. shots at its citizens ...
  18. sergant89
    sergant89 11 October 2013 12: 07 New
    +3
    Yes, there is nothing unrealistic or fictitious here, most likely it is artistically framed and the terrible truth is that the same Basayev went far to Chechnya where there is much to wish for such nonhumans, exactly what they did.
  19. Gorinich
    Gorinich 11 October 2013 12: 36 New
    0
    There were enough executioners in Yugoslavia, and what the West is like can be clarified by taking an interest in the history of Paraguay, but the article is most likely sucked out ....
  20. kafa
    kafa 11 October 2013 12: 36 New
    0
    all of course outraged. and who was really starving? so as not to lose weight but nothing to eat stupidly !? and he has a family !!!!!! and snort condemn ........... yes I condemn him the great sin on him ........
  21. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 11 October 2013 12: 42 New
    -1
    Article minus for Russia is an outsider. The last time you read the news, dear author? If that were the case, there would no longer be Syria. But in general, there is no reason not to believe the article.
  22. Ddhal
    Ddhal 11 October 2013 12: 49 New
    0
    And without this article, negativity is enough.
    People without honor and conscience will answer before God, if He does not decide to make them “happy” during his lifetime ...
  23. GUSAR
    GUSAR 11 October 2013 13: 35 New
    +1
    A typical Ukrainian, both ours and yours, where the homeland is paid there ...
    1. REZMovec
      REZMovec 11 October 2013 19: 29 New
      -1
      Chiab the cow mumbled ...
      1. GUSAR
        GUSAR 11 October 2013 20: 53 New
        -1
        And yours was silent
  24. Kerch
    Kerch 11 October 2013 14: 28 New
    +4
    I don’t understand one thing - if his wife was paid $ 5000 each, that is, they knew where his family lives in Ukraine. And he just took it and ran away. Was he afraid of revenge on the part of the "employers"? Or what I don’t understand, correct ...
  25. Transbaikal
    Transbaikal 11 October 2013 15: 14 New
    +2
    The article does not draw on the documentary; there are too many questions "on the merits." But morality is correct: a military man is not a killer only when he fulfills his duty to his homeland.
  26. tol
    tol 11 October 2013 15: 42 New
    0
    It’s quite a life story regarding the author, the Slavs have a sense of conscience and that’s scratching him, and the elimination of “boobs” is quite natural, if the mind says, the author will still talk about it, and 20 well, even considering 20 that he’s the main one can be physically destroyed (where he’ll show and they’ll go there), whether it’s stretch marks in advance or as he writes at the post
  27. Gato
    Gato 11 October 2013 16: 10 New
    +6
    My opinion: the story is an artistic whistle. Starting with a payment scheme (such a scheme has never been practiced, too hemorrhoids) and ending with the liquidation of the group after each promotion. Where did he put the corpses of his "animals"? Did he take away weapons and equipment with him? And no one was ever interested in finding such a strange 200s? In general, la-la for a beer.
    I know such "mercenaries" - after the third shot glass everyone turns out to be former lieutenant colonels of the Special Forces with an immense "personal cemetery" and a track record from Vietnam to Grenada (!). But at the same time, no one knows, for example, the caliber of the grenade launcher or how to open a beer bottle with PM.
  28. goldfinger
    goldfinger 11 October 2013 16: 11 New
    +4
    "Ostap carried!" "12 chairs". I. Ilf. E. Petrov.
  29. Clueless
    Clueless 11 October 2013 17: 10 New
    +1
    I don’t believe such a professional will not tell such stories, and they don’t keep idiots among them

    such things, if they write things, then the primary sources themselves, taking upon themselves the whole burden of responsibility
  30. Makarov
    Makarov 11 October 2013 17: 13 New
    +4
    I know one sniper ... in the South I fought ... a look ... yes, tin just does, only he ended up without a leg, and what I did he didn’t ask much ... well, judging by what he told most likely it was ....
  31. Const
    Const 11 October 2013 18: 41 New
    0
    God agree to such work only a person with an altered psyche.
  32. waisson
    waisson 11 October 2013 20: 07 New
    +6
    piz ....... l was in the mid-nineties on the side of the serbs in one of the Chetnik detachments on the side of the muslims a Ukrainian colonel fought who was healed by cruelty but we tried to go out hunting him but never found him or he would have been. ............. I am a former participant equated to Serbian veterans
    1. waisson
      waisson 11 October 2013 20: 10 New
      +1
      but in our squad there were many Ukrainians .........................
    2. Gato
      Gato 11 October 2013 21: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: waisson
      on the side of the Muslims a certain Ukrainian colonel fought who was healed by cruelty

      I also heard about it out of the corner of my ear. He is neither a Ukrainian nor a colonel, as far as I know the name of this vampire was Vuslo Utechich. They banged him for a long time, it seems without much humanity.
      1. Gato
        Gato 11 October 2013 23: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Gato
        They banged him for a long time, it seems without much humanity.

        Stake his relatives in the grave and grenade
  33. ekzorsist
    ekzorsist 11 October 2013 20: 18 New
    0
    "... the military then the military, while he defends his homeland ..."
    And maybe enough to step on the same rake ???
    Remember 1917 ... how many smartest and most excellent officers fought ... but the question is WHO? and against WHO?
    But ALL of them were military - professionals, and again history repeats itself until I can’t do the same ... there was a Homeland and suddenly it died! There was an oath to the Motherland, and suddenly it turns out you were not fighting for something (to take the same Afghanistan, how much they vilified) and you become unnecessary, without money, without ANYTHING ...
    To steal - alas, they did not teach, to yell and bash about shit democracy - it is disgusting (and so I have seen enough of this shit, and here the people themselves are eating this vomit, and even rejoice) ... so ???
    Many simply could not find themselves, plus the Motherland spat out as much as she could from the heart ... So that everything is possible and everyone will be rewarded, according to his deeds, by the judgment of God. And a human court is not always honest and fair.
    No, I do not condone it and do not want to talk about the article - true or not ... anything is possible.
  34. kotvov
    kotvov 11 October 2013 20: 40 New
    +1
    I don’t believe, at least shoot.
    1. goldfinger
      goldfinger 11 October 2013 22: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: kotvov
      I don’t believe, at least shoot.

      Bah! Past. Bang! past. You are right - piz..zh!
  35. avg
    avg 11 October 2013 22: 48 New
    +1
    They lie. Either the author, or the narrator, or both.
    1. Bibliographer
      Bibliographer 12 October 2013 01: 41 New
      0
      There is also such a thing as a "broken phone." One didn’t say something - the other didn’t understand something. This second one, over time, has forgotten a little, I have thought up. But in general, in the general sense, in spite of the whole nightmare described, I suspect that something similar could have happened!
  36. wanderer
    wanderer 12 October 2013 00: 01 New
    0
    Maybe they don’t lie in places.
    Very similar to the hodgepodge.
    With the world on a string - here’s an eyewitness story to you ..
    1. Lech from our city
      Lech from our city 12 October 2013 00: 49 New
      +1
      You know, I want to tell you and all the forum users that there are archives of the Hague Tribunal (probably many photo documents are collected there), there are personal photo archives of participants in those events, even a brief overview of them allows you to ask unpleasant questions about participants in those events from different countries.
      I hope that over time more and more evidence will come up of the participation of certain people in those events - this cannot be hushed up, otherwise we will be doomed to the repetition of this in our country.
  37. ran nearby
    ran nearby 12 October 2013 00: 45 New
    +1
    Gentlemen forum users, I certainly greatly apologize, but the article is still an artistic whistle. I strongly agree that during the Civil War, the atrocities of the parties are maximum.
    BUT! This opus is absolutely in the style of the Belarusian press. Well, they don’t know how to manipulate consciousness normally. And the character is “Ukrainian”, of course, in the stream of the latest trends in Ukraine’s kidding for possible association with the EU.
    Pofik, sho no one of us, citizens of Ukraine, in principle, asks what we want, and with whom we better be friends.
    Long time ago, in the magazine "Soldier of Fortune" there was a story of a Ukrainian who fought in Yugoslavia. For the Serbs. He is actually a member of UNA-UNSO. But he fought for the Serbs.
    I certainly do not exclude the events described in the article, but the article itself is ORDER.
    IMHA esessno.
  38. Vasia kruger
    Vasia kruger 14 October 2013 14: 52 New
    0
    Story IMHO nonsense. Everything is illogical.
  39. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 15 October 2013 15: 14 New
    0
    as he was reading the story of a mercenary or something like that, so he described that they came across a mountain of corpses, one was fried on a spit and the second was opened, and there was one crazy man whose Croats forced him to eat fried and drink blood, so he went crazy, they didn’t last long thinking caught up with the Croats and put everyone, it’s to the fact that atrocities like the ones described here could well be.
  40. 202 rp
    202 rp 15 October 2013 16: 36 New
    0
    There was - was not, a lie - not a lie, what difference does it make. The main thing is that no life situations make people stupid killing machines.
  41. Polovec
    Polovec 16 October 2013 16: 31 New
    0
    With the conclusion about the meanness of the Anglo-Saxons, I completely agree. Scum finished. People are nothing to them! They for the sake of money and power neither children nor women will spare. At least Vietnam remember with napalm and gases. But this "light of civilization" fought! Critters!
    And the story itself is like fiction.
  42. Guilty
    Guilty 23 October 2013 13: 48 New
    0
    I agree with the majority-nonsense. Somehow, everything is not logical. One brings down the entire unit, some march-throws look more like a marathon, money in an envelope ... And a mean man’s tear drank at the end. The author presses pity.
  43. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 25 October 2013 12: 16 New
    0
    Our misfortune is that we do not believe in such atrocities, do not protest, do not fight, and those who unleash such terror evade retribution. Those who do not believe and stuff their heads in the sand, I remind you that Orthodox churches in the former Yugoslavia are still being destroyed and in Syria, in Africa, Christians are slaughtered with particular cruelty, they are purposefully destroying us, but we still don’t believe in it. Tell me at least one mosque destroyed by Christians.
  44. ISO
    ISO 5 November 2013 18: 13 New
    0
    I have always been puzzled by the West Philosophy of what morality a civilization can have if it is flesh from the flesh of the slave-holding Roman empire
  45. carabiner sks
    carabiner sks 26 September 2014 15: 07 New
    0
    Quote: Drosselmeyer
    Well, the final pearls. Then the author generally went logic. According to the commando’s story, the money was transferred to his wife in Ukraine in cash. We omit such questions about bank accounts, etc., the author is not up to them. But where does our hero run from retaliation? Home to Ukraine! Why the same uncle who was carrying the money to his wife did not slap the commandos at home - it is not clear.

    Rightly noticed. But history may have some truth.
  46. rubidiy
    rubidiy 26 September 2015 01: 10 New
    0
    this work, although it has signs of fiction, still does not cancel the indisputability of the main event. Now, in 2015, you already need to be a very naive person in order not to understand WHERE the war in Yugoslavia was started, and HOW it was warmed up.
    One must not know history at all in order not to understand that the Balkans have always been a paramount goal for England. And one must not know at all the true face of "Western civilization" and this filthy people in particular in order to doubt that the events described above in one form or another occurred systemically.