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How much does IL-76MD-90A cost Russia?

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Il-76MD-90A, also known as Il-476, is a deep modernization of the Il-76MD transport aircraft; it was developed by the Design Bureau named after Ilyushin together with the Design Bureau of the Aviastar Aviation Plant of Ulyanovsk. According to unconfirmed information, work on this project was carried out in the late 1980s and early 1990s. The decision to transfer the production of IL-76 from Tashkent (Uzbekistan) to Russia on aviation Aviastar plant was adopted in 2006. The development of the aircraft was completed in 2009. Currently, the aircraft is launched into serial production. The media voiced information about the construction of up to 100 aircraft for various purposes on the basis of the Il-76MD-90A: transport, refueling aircraft, and AWACS aircraft.


The Il-76MD-90А aircraft differs from its predecessors by the new PS-90А engines, a new modified wing using long caisson panels, an upgraded control system and fuel system, a digital automatic aircraft control system and a sighting and navigation complex and a new “glass” cockpit ( control devices are made with the use of modern LCD displays). It is worth noting that the name of the IL-476 is not official.

The heavy operational-strategic military transport aircraft IL-76MD-90А is intended for the interregional transportation of troops, cargo and heavy large-size equipment, as well as landing of personnel, equipment and cargo by landing and parachute methods. The aircraft is able to transport the entire list of equipment used by the Russian Airborne Forces today.

Also, the aircraft can be used to transport the wounded and sick, extinguishing area fires. The maximum take-off weight of the aircraft was increased to 210 tons. Maximum payload increased to 52 tons (with development to 60 tons).

How much does IL-76MD-90A cost Russia?

October 4 2013 was exactly one year old since the first flight model of the Il-76-MD-90А military transport aircraft, manufactured at Aviastar-SP, in the presence of Russian President Vladimir Putin made its first demonstration flight. At the same time, October 4, an official contract was signed for the supply of transport aircraft for the needs of the Russian Ministry of Defense 39. The amount of this contract amounted to 140 billion rubles, which made it the largest contract for the entire history modern Russian aviation industry. According to the president of the United Aircraft Building Corporation, Mikhail Pogosyan, this contract will ensure the stable utilization of the production capacities of the Ulyanovsk aircraft manufacturing enterprise.

In 2013, the new IL-76 finished the 1 th flight test phase ahead of time - factory testing. After that, the aircraft was transferred to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for joint state tests. The entire scheduled test program for the IL-76MD-90A will be completed by the middle of the 2014 year. In addition, in the 2013, the flight model of the car for the first time took part in the MAKS-2013 air show. The aircraft was fully represented in the flight program, as well as in a static parking lot.

At present, in Ulyanovsk, at Aviastar-SP, the mass production of a promising military transport aircraft continues.
The first production aircraft is in a high degree of readiness, the final stage of its construction is underway - the process of final assembly. On the second plane, the airframe docked, the specialists of the company proceeded to the installation of the systems, while the third production aircraft docked the units. In total, the production of CJSC "Aviastar-SP" are already several production machines. According to the press service of the Ulyanovsk enterprise, the whole complex of works on the manufacture of aircraft is conducted in accordance with the previously approved schedule. In 2014, it is planned to transfer the first transporters to the customer. According to Sergey Dementiev, general director of Aviastar-SP, CJSC, the assembly capacities of the Ulyanovsk enterprise already allow production of up to 6-8 airplanes annually. But according to the tasks set by UAC, by 2018 in Ulyanovsk they should reach the indicator - 18 of aircraft sets per year.


Russian approach and cost of cars

24 May 2013 was held in Russia the first all-Russian conference of suppliers of aircraft IL-76MD-90А (components), which was attended by about a hundred enterprises of the domestic engineering industry. The main purpose of the event was to develop common approaches to component suppliers, aimed at reducing the cost of final products - airplanes based on IL-76MD-90А and increasing the efficiency of their activities.

It would seem, what's wrong with that? But let's take a look at it from a slightly different angle. Doesn't it seem strange to you that the conference on the selection of suppliers is held when the prototype, which completed the factory tests and was handed over for testing to the military, is already flying all over and the first production models are being built? At that moment, when a contract for a huge amount of 140 billion rubles for the production of X-NUMX planes IL-39MD-76А has been concluded.

It would seem that the suppliers should have been selected at the design stage of the machine, at the same time the necessary production connections begin to line up, which by the start of the launch of the aircraft in the series will work as a well-established mechanism, like a clock. Yes, we are talking about the ideal case, both Boeing and Airbus have punctures - but if the creators of IL-76MD-90А decided to search for suppliers at the very last moment, there will be much more failures in the program. Currently, there is not even a list of suppliers, they are simply not defined, and this is in the program where the minimal risks initially existed, a large order was guaranteed by the state.


According to Aviaglobus, the first Russian aviation Internet magazine, the price of the previous aircraft modification, Il-76TD-90VD, which were supplied to Volga-Dnepr Airlines by the Tashkent plant, was 50-55 million dollars per piece. The KLA documents for 2011 for the year featured the price of 1111 million rubles - this is generally 36,5 million dollars, well, let it be 55 million dollars. The cost of the production of Aviastar Il-76MD-90А for JSC OAK-TS was (on paper) - 1601 million rubles - the same 54 million dollars. In this case, we are talking about an aircraft “with aggregates, engines and purchased components installed on it, as well as aviation equipment belonging to the aircraft with ground equipment, technical documentation, technical resources, specifications and equipment in accordance with the Technical Conditions for Control, acceptance and delivery of IL-76MD-90А transport aircraft ". That was the price at the “series” on the 3 aircraft. And the October contract of 2012 of the year for a much more solid batch for the native Ministry of Defense immediately pulled 139,42 billion rubles, which gives 4,6 billion dollars or 119 million dollars per piece. Thus, the price per year 2 somehow increased more than 2 times.

In response to the rising cost of the car, an all-Russian conference was probably convened, which is characteristic of the “first” one, which means there will be others in the future. However, as a result of her work, there was still no information that the cost of the aircraft would be reduced by so many percent. Since even the "grab the profit" in the production of the aircraft will still have to try. In particular, it is reported that “the sales price of aircraft on 18% below their cost. Thus, the direct loss of the United Aircraft Corporation from their sale, according to estimates, will be 600 million rubles for each aircraft. In addition to this, payment of aircraft by the military will be made with a delay of 3 of the year, after the delivery of the aircraft, that is, in 2017.

What follows from this? The real cost of one machine (and this is when a fairly large series is released) is about 140 million dollars, in the case of deliveries to foreign markets the price will be even higher. And this is the price for today, and tomorrow or in 2016, these planes will cost even more. Even a brand like Il-76, which Ilyushin is rightly proud of, will not help in this situation: one of the components of this famous brand in the aviation world has always been the word “cheap”. However, now cheap - these are old Tashkent Il-76s with D-30 engines, which today fly “in all sorts of Africans” and in their time created this very brand. However, on the IL-76 with PS-90 engines, which was also produced in Tashkent for 50 million dollars, there were no special queues, despite all the advantages of these aircraft.


All this makes us think about the export potential of the new Russian aircraft. Naturally, the native Ministry of Defense is not going anywhere, but if someone else buys it, that is the question. After all, Russia is not the only country that faces a similar problem. In Japan, we designed our own C-2 transport aircraft, the aircraft is purely for domestic consumption and very expensive - around 120 million dollars apiece for much smaller sizes - and nothing is tolerated. It’s true that such unprecedented for Russia things are installed on the plane, such as an automatic loading-unloading system, an infrared night vision system for pilots and other very tricky electronics. In the end, and we will endure. The question is whether there will be something after these 39 planes? The budget of Russia is not rubber.

Information sources:
-http: //aviaglobus.ru/2013/05/30/6426
-http: //militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-632.html
-http: //www.aviastar-sp.ru/press_center/company_news/1137
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  1. Papakiko
    Papakiko 11 October 2013 09: 20 New
    +7
    The price of the previous modification of the aircraft - IL-76TD-90VD, which were delivered to the Volga-Dnepr airline by the Tashkent plant, amounted to 50-55 million dollars apiece. The UAC documents for 2011 included the price of 1111 million rubles — a total of 36,5 million dollars, well, let it be 55 million dollars. The cost of Aviastar’s production of the IL-76MD-90A aircraft for OAK-TS OJSC amounted (on paper) - 1601 million rubles — the same 54 million dollars. This was the price for the “series” of 3 aircraft. And the October 2012 contract for a much more solid batch for the native Ministry of Defense immediately pulled 139,42 billion rubles, which gives 4,6 billion dollars or 119 million dollars apiece. Thus, the price for 2 years somehow increased by more than 2 times.
    Well, there were no inherent "interests" of "effective TOP managers".
    And here you can immediately see how much each will break off, starting with "managers" and ending with generals. All families and children are starving.
    1. tegezen
      tegezen 11 October 2013 18: 24 New
      +1
      55 million dollars then and now are two big differences. The price of literally everything in US dollars has increased several times. About 12 years ago I bought an apartment kopeck piece for 12 thousand dollars. in a new house, now it costs 4-5 times more expensive. Prices in the country are equal to world prices, why should a plane cost less than world analogues?
  2. DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 11 October 2013 09: 33 New
    +3
    Yes, no matter how much it costs! It is needed here and now in various modifications (tanker, transporter, AWACS). Americans buy their planes more expensive, another thing is that the saw works and prevents you from buying it in the right and vital quantities.
  3. abuyanovus
    abuyanovus 11 October 2013 09: 37 New
    +4
    It seems to me that everything is much simpler. As we have accepted in the price of tested and already under construction models, funds have been laid for some other tasks, which are not advertised so far. Like the SSJ-100, I recently read an article in which one of the developers plainly says that a significant part of the funds allocated by the state went to the PAKFA project (2004-2005), which no one had ever heard of then. It seems to me more like the truth. The state does not like to overpay here either, as a rule, on the contrary, it underpays. And there is no reason to convict our top officials of such complex combinations for theft either. Why, when are there ways to make things so much easier? Therefore, my opinion is that soon we will have another kind of terribly secret ultramodern garbage, only possibly of the Ilyushin brand. wink
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 11 October 2013 10: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: abuyanovus
      And there is no reason to convict our top officials of such complex combinations for theft either. Why, when are there ways to make things so much easier? Therefore, my opinion is that soon we will have another kind of terribly secret ultramodern garbage, only possibly of the Ilyushin brand.

      Please tell me what is the name of the place in the parallel universe in which you are located?
      Do you have a few examples with laying asphalt on nano-technologies in snow and rain?
      The cost of a kilometer of road in 2-3 times higher than in the Scandinavian countries and Canada, is this also not enough?
      GUIN buys vegetables at a price of 1 euro kg. (Based on tender results). And agricultural companies in reality receive 14-20 rubles per kg.
      And so it is possible to optimize to INFINITY.
      1. abuyanovus
        abuyanovus 11 October 2013 11: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Papakiko

        The cost of a kilometer of road in 2-3 times higher than in the Scandinavian countries and Canada, is this also not enough?
        GUIN buys vegetables at a price of 1 euro kg. (Based on tender results). And agricultural companies in reality receive 14-20 rubles per kg.
        And so it is possible to optimize to INFINITY.


        These are the simpler ways. The aviation contract is in full view, hundreds and even thousands of people will check it and watch it. Surely, on a specialized resource, it has been laid out for a long time and is being checked by everyone who is not lazy, and all this is relatively public ... Why fuse in it?
        HERE POTATO WITH ASPHALT - YES !!! Any bureaucratic fraternity is all that is measured in tons and cubes ... It’s convenient to share ...
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 11 October 2013 11: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: abuyanovus
          it will be checked and watched by hundreds, or even thousands of people

          Millions see that with roads and officials spit.
          You pioneering flag of pacifism kind-eternal-affectionate roll and put away. He has not been rolling since the 80s of the last century. hi
        2. Fin
          Fin 11 October 2013 12: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: abuyanovus
          The aviation contract is in full view, hundreds and even thousands of people will check it and watch it.

          The storyteller or the official himself.
          1. abuyanovus
            abuyanovus 11 October 2013 12: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: Fin

            The storyteller or the official himself.


            From the official and hear! And henceforth I ask you not to offend.
            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 11 October 2013 13: 04 New
              +2
              Quote: abuyanovus
              From the official and hear! And henceforth I ask you not to offend.

              Like the OFFICERS, they were more than restrained.
              And on you ....
              Wonder ....!
              belay
              Quote: abuyanovus
              It seems to me more like the truth. The state does not like to overpay here either, as a rule, on the contrary, it underpays. And there is no reason to convict our top officials of such complex combinations for theft either. Why, when there are ways to make things much easier


              Or is it THE OFFICIAL, a reprobate name?
              1. abuyanovus
                abuyanovus 11 October 2013 14: 06 New
                +3
                Quote: Papakiko

                Like the OFFICERS, they were more than restrained.
                And on you ....
                Wonder ....!
                belay
                Or is it THE OFFICIAL, a reprobate name?


                When working with various civil servants and other "servants of the people" we often come across. At the regional level, of course. I'm not talking about various power structures, they have their own specifics and this is not my diocese. I'm talking about civil authorities, not the capital, but regional. And on the example of several regions I can safely say - there are only a few "people" there. I confess a couple of times I even came across really talented people in the civil service ... but the total mass, I just have no words. Sometimes one gets the impression that they pass a special qualification ... Everything is crammed by someone who does not understand, not a single professional, even there are almost no specialists. At the same time, crowds of people wipe their butts in offices in constant imitation of some kind of activity. No one is responsible for anything, they know neither the laws nor the elementary rules of decency. Sometimes you have to demonstrate the articles of the law in printed form in order to achieve what you are obliged to provide.
                Horror. And so I have a collective and extremely negative image of them.
                Therefore, I ask you not to refer me to these persons.
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 11 October 2013 14: 50 New
                  +2
                  I recently read an article in which one of the developers plainly says that a fairly significant part of the funds allocated by the state went to the PAKFA project (2004-2005), which no one had ever heard of then.

                  It is quite possible that we always have a supply of spare parts at work at our place. Since they may not allocate money to the department, they will definitely give for a specific project. This is where the missing or scarce equipment is added.
                  But still, in those amounts and "Walrus" someone is wink
      2. Heccrbq .2
        Heccrbq .2 11 October 2013 18: 03 New
        -1
        This is called Putin's Russia.
      3. Lyokhin63
        Lyokhin63 12 October 2013 00: 19 New
        0
        Respected! What do you compare .opu with your finger! Asphalt and potatoes with airplanes.
        1. Airman
          Airman 13 October 2013 21: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: Lyokhin63
          Respected! What do you compare .opu with your finger! Asphalt and potatoes with airplanes.

          I believe that it is time for POST to lie in the land of Armenia, then both MiGs and Ila would go uphill for a normal price.
      4. bif
        bif 13 October 2013 02: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Papakiko
        Do you have a few examples with laying asphalt on nano-technologies in snow and rain?
        The cost of a kilometer of road in 2-3 times higher than in the Scandinavian countries and Canada, is this also not enough?

        In the last two or three years, liberal and court economists have been competing with each other in determining the cost of building roads in Russia. The average cost of one kilometer of the Russian highway varies from 6,3 million dollars, according to a report by Boris Nemtsov “Putin. The results. Ten years ”, up to 12,8 million dollars (according to the TV channel“ Russia ”) and even 17,6 million dollars, according to the“ economist ”Nikita Krichevsky.

        - The construction of the 1 kilometer of some Russian roads turned out to be more expensive than the 1 kilometer of the hadron collider in Switzerland, which was hollowed into the rock mass. Experts say that the cost of building our roads is overstated at 3-5, or even at 11 times, ”the journalist and“ economist ”Mikhail Delyagin is horrified.

        “The explanation for such pricing is very simple - total theft and corruption,” Nikita Krichevsky echoes.

        “One kilometer of a four-lane highway costs Russia almost five times more than China,” said Vladislav Inozemtsev, scientific director of the Center for Research in the Post-Industrial Society, on the pages of the Arguments and Facts publication on December 9 on December 2009.
        1. bif
          bif 13 October 2013 02: 32 New
          +3
          MADI specialists in the framework of the European and American methods conducted a study comparing the cost of road construction in Russia and developed countries. To finally make the characteristics comparable, they were excluded from the cost of VAT in Russia and other countries (in our country it is much higher - 18% versus 8% on average for the group of compared countries). In addition, the experts identified the costs of preparing the territory in 10-15% - as in developed countries. http://ttolk.ru/?p=5698

          Here we must make a digression. In Russia, in the cost of road construction, such work in reality amounts to 30-40%. This includes the purchase of land, land management and planning, as well as administration. In the EU, USA, Canada and China, these expenses (except for administration - it just amounts to 10-15%) are not included in the cost of road works, and the costs are borne not by the road workers, but by the budgets of authorities at all levels.

          And here’s what happened, it can be seen from the table where the average cost of 1 km of one lane is determined, in million rubles:

          Germany 122,6

          France 101,1

          Canada 82,3

          USA 72

          Spain 49,3

          Россия 41

          Finland 40,6

          China 35

          As we can see, ceteris paribus, the cost of road construction in 2,5-3 times lower than in Germany and France, and approximately comparable to Finland. The myth of liberal and court economists about too expensive roads in Russia can be considered insolvent. It is also important not to forget that state statistics in Russia do not give expenditures by the construction and repair (maintenance) of roads, but all in one heap. “Competent” economists like Delyagin and Krichevsky cheerfully divide the total budget by the number of kilometers built and get really fantastic amounts. At the same time, forgetting that these expenses also include repair work on existing roads.

          MADI experts explain that roads in Russia can be made even cheaper by introducing the norms of road construction adopted in a number of countries. So, in Finland, the width of the curb on the roads of the highest categories according to the norms is 1,5 meters, and in Russia - 3,75 meters. And in China, the width of the dividing strip is 2 times smaller than in Russia. If you comply with these standards and with us (Finnish or Chinese - to choose from), then you can achieve a cost reduction of 7-10%.
  4. Turkestan
    Turkestan 11 October 2013 10: 02 New
    +1
    I wonder why it costs $ 50 million. if somewhere in the year 96 it was worth 20 mil. Of course, they will not be taken by anyone. Prices are very high.
    1. Gennady1973
      Gennady1973 11 October 2013 10: 09 New
      +1
      I agree completely. It cannot cost so much. In Voronezh, at the plant (though passenger), ILs were "molded" in due time, only on the way! And I have no doubt that if I had received this order now, this option would have been "molded", but the price would have been an order of magnitude lower.
      1. nightingale
        nightingale 14 October 2013 22: 28 New
        0
        Well, that’s probably why they didn’t receive an order for them, which would be cheaper
  5. Fin
    Fin 11 October 2013 10: 10 New
    +5
    The real cost of one car (and this is with the release of a fairly large series) is about 140 million dollars,

    The author did not indicate how much Hercules, A-400 and AN-70 cost. Then one could compare and be indignant. Everything is relative. IMHO - here in the price also the organization of production practically from "0".
    1. Turkestan
      Turkestan 11 October 2013 11: 11 New
      -1
      Then the question of why it was necessary to deploy the production of IL-76 from scratch if there is TAPOICH with the entire construction cycle of these aircraft. It was not really possible to agree with the leaders of Uzbekistan. And yet, why the price of the aircraft has increased many times since almost everything is done for the aircraft in Russia. Why the PS-90 Engine costs fabulous money OH WHAT GOLD,
      1. Fin
        Fin 11 October 2013 12: 06 New
        +5
        Quote: Turkestan
        Not really it was impossible to agree with the leaders of Uzbekistan.

        Do you have highly qualified specialists preserved there or the production did not stop? One has already been given money for development, and they are dumping it in the geyropa. Let’s somehow arrange production for ourselves.
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 11 October 2013 13: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: Turkestan
        Why the PS-90 Engine costs fabulous money OH WHAT GOLD,

        Weight 3000 kg. (Dry) and 4200 kg. (Staged).
        The cost of dvigla is approximately 3.5 ml. $
        A gram of gold costs about 1300 units.
        In general, the equivalent of net weight is not enough.
        wink
        Quote: Turkestan
        Not really it was impossible to agree with the leaders of Uzbekistan.

        Agreeing with former residents of the USSR family is generally an ungrateful and unpromising occupation. (No options needed)
        And it is better to keep the production at home, so that there is no desire to twist the arms to engage in "partners". One "ANTONOVA" with "Motor Sich" is enough for the eyes. (For example, in a parallel topic this is discussed by the vokurat)
        1. Lyokhin63
          Lyokhin63 12 October 2013 22: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Papakiko
          And it is better to keep the production at home, so that there is no desire to twist the arms to engage in the "partners". One "ANTONOVA" with "Motor Sich" is enough for the most eyes.

          Baikonur is another striking example.
      3. avt
        avt 11 October 2013 16: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: Turkestan
        Not really it was impossible to agree with the leaders of Uzbekistan.

        Once we agreed and thwarted the fulfillment of the Chinese order, and even the king of Jordan really couldn’t do it on time. Well, the result is known - instead of the aircraft factory, you collect Korean cars, well, we are in Ulyanovsk from scratch.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 11 October 2013 20: 26 New
          +1
          By the way, the entire package of documents on IL-76MD-90A (IL-476) has been converted into digital and now it is possible to submit drawings from the designer’s computer directly to the machine’s computer. Paper is excluded.

          If there is other information on this subject, correct.
  6. EGORKA
    EGORKA 11 October 2013 10: 23 New
    +2
    Something seems to me he counted a lot, he obviously took the Old from here on the Internet, but as you know, they’ll write this on the network ... therefore it’s better not to rush to conclusions, there is clearly something wrong.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 11 October 2013 18: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: EGORKA
      Something seems to me he counted a lot, he obviously took the Old from here on the Internet, but as you know, they’ll write this on the network ... therefore it’s better not to rush to conclusions, there is clearly something wrong.


      The contract amount amounted to 140 billion rubles, this is the largest order in the Russian aviation industry in its entire short history.
      http://www.uacrussia.ru/ru/press/news/index.php?id4=1197
      If they do not believe, then to whom?
  7. Algor73
    Algor73 11 October 2013 10: 59 New
    0
    Here is one of two things: either they immediately reduced the price in order to interest the government (customer), taking advantage of the problems with the Ukrainian An-70, or then, after the contract, when the order arrived in order to break it off.
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  9. castle
    castle 11 October 2013 11: 28 New
    +8
    Good health to all.
    The price of the A-400 aircraft is up to € 140 (the value of € 000 million was found only in Russian sources of information), the price of the McDonnell Douglas C-000 Globemaster III plane is up to US $ 145 million (the price of $ 17 million was found only in Russian sources of information), Lockheed C-218 Hercules - US $ 000 million. All prices may vary depending on the layout of the aircraft at the request of customers.
  10. Altona
    Altona 11 October 2013 14: 03 New
    +1
    It is difficult to judge without decoding the costs, and I would especially like to decrypt the column "other expenses" ... There will be no production later, so it is necessary to promote the plane, create an image ... Water does not flow under a lying stone now ...
  11. Avenger711
    Avenger711 11 October 2013 15: 10 New
    0
    More than 100500 Soviet-built aircraft from the Soviet Air Force still fly in the world, of course, the sales market is limited, only soon the legacy of the Cold War will be written off by wear and tear.
  12. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 11 October 2013 16: 22 New
    +3
    .
    by 2018 in Ulyanovsk should reach the figure of 18 aircraft kits per year.


    It is clear that the IL-76 aircraft is difficult to manufacture. But more than 40 years ago, the Tashkent plant produced at that time no less complex AN-12 in the amount of almost 80 pieces. annually.
  13. xomaNN
    xomaNN 11 October 2013 18: 06 New
    0
    The fact that leapfrog with prices for military purchases is unfortunately a chronic disease. And it can be defeated only by a reasonable combination of competition with tough pressure (called state control) for suppliers' pricing. Of course, the counter-roll mechanism and similar things adjoins here too :)
  14. Wa to
    Wa to 11 October 2013 18: 49 New
    +2
    But is it interesting that China, India and Indonesia will have their own similar aircraft in the coming years?
    If they do not have such aircraft, then this is a huge market (population of three billion).
    If you approach wisely, then from orders for modern. IL-76 will not end.
    As a glider IL-76 is generally IDEAL, showed itself perfectly, as AK47 "Workhorse".
  15. aud13
    aud13 11 October 2013 19: 24 New
    +2
    The range of prices in the radius of plus or minus a kilometer is certainly alarming and requires clarification from manufacturers what is the matter.
    Purely theetically, the cost of an aircraft in a large batch should be lower by definition, but there may be nuances.
    The fact is that the installation batch could be made of components saved from the distant 90s. If these components were not overestimated, then they could be included in the cost structure at ridiculous prices of the past millennium. And when it was necessary to create a new one, it could turn out that the manufacture of new components is much more expensive than the cost of inventory. This is the cost of inflation and accounting, so to speak. If you look until now, for example, almost all real estate is taken into account at the prices of the last mandatory revaluation, which was carried out somewhere in the mid-90s. Therefore, you see there is a 5-story office building which, according to accounting, costs less than the Mercedes in front of it.
    Another question is why payment after delivery?
    This means that one of the bankers took a good shot in advance and stuck their interest in a loan at a rather large interest. Here you need to understand carefully. I believe that for such purposes the state should allocate credit resources at reasonable interest rates, and not add them at 0% per annum to American bonds and other "derivatives".
  16. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 11 October 2013 21: 38 New
    -5
    Yes!...

    We put new engines and avionics on the 76th and op ...

    Got a new PLANE ...

    CLOWNS negative
  17. AlexA
    AlexA 11 October 2013 21: 39 New
    +4
    Here all the comments are formulated on the assumption that the formation of prices in production takes place in an orderly manner, and they try to look for the cause of all the rise in prices in the margin of officials and bankers. This is also the case. It would be foolish to deny. But the main reason IMHO is the organization of financial flows and supplies INSIDE the production process of EACH enterprise and concern. 1) Our "domestic" manufacturers (either private or state-owned) have organized a branched chain of intermediaries for EACH component. Moreover, this chain is purely virtual. In fact, the part comes directly from the machine to the assembly. However, it is resold for securities dozens of times, winding up its own margins at each stage. 2) I'll tell you again about wages. With the salaries of the main production personnel in the range of 10 - 000, the pay of the top management goes off scale for 30 - 000. Hence the cost price. In the absence of quality and reliability, which are just enough for a salary of 200. And no matter how much the state allocates money for the "development of the defense industry," this money will fall into the black hole of Russian entrepreneurship.
  18. Lyokhin63
    Lyokhin63 12 October 2013 00: 03 New
    +2
    The country needs YOUR military transport aircraft. The country received it. Who is not happy with what then? Expensive? Let's buy the decommissioned 737s in other countries and from this our aviation industry will rise again. We should be glad that there are still personnel and production capacities for aircraft of this class, and even our PS-90 in the series finally! I am delighted with this news!
    Quote: sergey158-29
    Yes!...

    We put new engines and avionics on the 76th and op ...

    Got a new PLANE ...

    CLOWNS negative

    This is the work of tens of thousands of people. Tell them how easy it is. Opa. I didn’t set the minus just because you have no idea how much sweat, dribble, metal, you need to invest in your opa ...
    1. sergey158-29
      sergey158-29 13 October 2013 23: 41 New
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      Any work, especially high-tech labor, requires technology (equipment) and knowledge (sweat). About the people working there, did not say anything bad!

      You just don’t need to do a MIRACLE from the usual MODERNIZATION under the name 476

      And the fact that you are carrying out modernization is wonderful. I am glad for YOU !!! hi
  19. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 12 October 2013 00: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: sergey158-29
    Yes! ... We put new engines and avionics on the 76th and opa ... We got a new PLANE ... CLOWNS negative

    Everywhere it seems they say deep modernization. The installation of a new engine gave, as they say, an increase in performance characteristics in some cases up to 20-25 %%. The circuit is run-in, why not create one. It’s just that now in Russia it’s rather difficult to organize production (in itself complicated), to put it mildly.
    1. sergey158-29
      sergey158-29 13 October 2013 23: 58 New
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      It is necessary to do modernization and the "more often", the better ...

      Just ENOUGH "plus signs" to hang in dozens or immediately assign a "name" 476 - just put the letter "M"

      Yes, the PS-90A-76 engine, for the 76th, was developed in my opinion 7-10 years ago, when this modernization was needed! Although better later ...
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  21. kci
    kci 12 October 2013 06: 41 New
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    "Not
    Does it seem strange to you that the conference
    at the choice of suppliers then
    when a prototype is already flying all over,
    factory-completed and
    handed over for testing to the military, and
    the first production samples are being built? In that
    the moment when a contract for
    a huge amount of 140 billion rubles for
    production of 39 Il-76MD-90A aircraft. "

    No, it doesn’t seem strange. According to the Federal Law, since 2013, when purchasing components for any product, an enterprise must put these components to the auction and choose according to the prices and delivery conditions, and everything that is written in the article
  22. 77bob1973
    77bob1973 12 October 2013 06: 47 New
    +1
    An automatic loading and unloading system - well, it’s possible to do this for some cargoes, but it is not realistic to cover the whole range of cargoes, but it’s a military transport plane and not a mailer, the Japanese have no cargo and amphibious equipment, but we have it in bulk.
  23. EGORKA
    EGORKA 12 October 2013 07: 12 New
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    Quote: lelikas

    The contract amount amounted to 140 billion rubles, this is the largest order in the Russian aviation industry in its entire short history.
    http://www.uacrussia.ru/ru/press/news/index.php?id4=1197
    If they do not believe, then to whom?


    It seems to me that the price is laid not only for the plane, but also for something else, otherwise it comes out a little expensive.
  24. vvpll
    vvpll 12 October 2013 07: 28 New
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    ____________________________An-70 _________ IL-476
    Payload ______________ 50 t _________ 52 t
    Range _____________ 7800 km ______ 6000 km
    Altitude _______________ 12000 m _______ 12000 m
    Fuel consumption _______________ 4400 kg / h ____ 8100 kg / h
    Maximum speed _______ 800 km / h ______ 800 km / h
    Take-off _____________________ 700 m (ground) __ 1300 m
    Cost
    1. PLO
      PLO 12 October 2013 13: 09 New
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      Ha

      ____________________________ An-70 _________ IL-476
      Payload ______________ 50 t _________ 52 t

      actually

      ____________________________ An-70 _________ IL-476
      Payload ______________47 t _________60 т

      everything else il-476 is just a beautiful plane
  25. vvpll
    vvpll 12 October 2013 08: 07 New
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    Cost:
    An-70 $ 67 million
    IL-476 $ 119 million
    1. PLO
      PLO 12 October 2013 13: 02 New
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      maximum take-off weight
      An-70: 135t
      IL-476: 210t
      1. alone
        alone 12 October 2013 22: 55 New
        +1
        So you can argue ad infinitum. And you can’t just admit that each of these aircraft has its own + and -?
  26. Lyokhin63
    Lyokhin63 12 October 2013 23: 43 New
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    "Already now, the Japanese company Kawasaki, taking advantage of the hitch with the organization in Ulyanovsk of the serial production of the IL-76 family liners, has approached the leading Russian cargo carriers with an offer to buy aircraft of their own production (C-2). In addition, according to RBK daily, Kawasaki is ready to draw up competition to Russians in foreign markets. "(http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/airforce/1758-kawasaki
    -c-2.html).
    That's where the dog then rummaged ...
    As soon as Progress began certification of Rysachka, a regional air transportation market was immediately created in the Volga region, with a bunch of purchased foreign aircraft. Leads to thoughts about prostitutes in the state apparatus.
    I think (hopefully) that Shoigu is not a stool who wanted to adopt a super-mega-stuffed (probably with an unprecedented in Russia automatic loading system, IR system and other tricky electronic equipment) Italian armored personnel carrier, stuck in the first snowdrift.
  27. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 14 October 2013 11: 04 New
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    Well, when is this all-devouring herd of officials to be put in place (in a stall in Kolyma). Yes, corruption will destroy the country and the crowds of bawdy officials!
  28. Pompeus2005
    Pompeus2005 1 February 2014 07: 15 New
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    In fact, the aircraft was built from parts transported from Tashkent, and now they began to look for suppliers of components for new future IL-476s. When all these components will begin to be unclear. People only last year began to recruit him. Something, I doubt the quick start of the production of IL-476.