For two hares ... Or what choice do Ukraine?

Today, Ukraine faces the need to address a very important issue for the country - to join the European Union or join the Customs Union. Surprisingly, no one even considers the option that the country will be able to independently build its future, while maintaining friendly relations and mutually beneficial relations with both its eastern neighbor and the western community. Always starting a new business, there is a risk of failure. But a mistake can cost Ukraine the loss of its statehood and complete subordination to a stronger and more successful neighbor.

It is always better to learn from the mistakes of others. And the experience of the former Soviet bloc countries that have joined the EU, such as Romania, Estonia, Lithuania, Bulgaria and Latvia, best of all demonstrates what Ukraine can expect in a “European paradise”.

Most likely, Ukraine will join the EU as an incomplete federal district of Western Europe. Kiev, not having the right to vote, will be obliged to carry out all the decisions taken in the corridors of Brussels. The EU, of course, will require opening the Ukrainian financial market for European banks. But Western financiers do not care about the development of the Ukrainian economy. Upon entering the still capacious Ukrainian market, they will do everything to get super-profit. And the fact that the majority of citizens and enterprises will be in the networks of debt obligations in the EU, few people are interested. With the hands of bankers, European industrialists will destroy the Ukrainian competitors, leaving only "screwdriver" (assembly) production. There is a possibility of losing control over strategic and infrastructural Ukrainian enterprises, if the Westerners plant them on a “debt needle”.

In Soviet times, Ukraine was proud of its engineering. Now it is difficult for this industry to survive in new conditions, but we must pay tribute to the leaders of the engineering industry - they are making every effort to preserve the Ukrainian engineering potential. The president of one of the largest enterprises of Ukraine, Motor Sich JSC, V. Boguslaev, believes that joining the EU will have a detrimental effect on the entire economy of the country, including engineering. One of the arguments sounds convincing enough - after all, now in Europe there is 30% unemployment, why lead the country to the European “unemployed paradise”. There is one more important argument - Ukraine is not ready to transfer its engineering (and not only) products to European standards, and, therefore, Ukrainian goods will not be in demand on the European market. Before our eyes, the unenviable fate of Romania, Bulgaria and the Baltic states, which have lost their industry in favor of the Europeans. They are now happy even to any repair company serving the Europeans on their territory. It is unlikely that Ukraine will be able to maintain its high-tech production, becoming a member of the EU.

There is a fairly large risk that defense enterprises will also be on the verge of destruction: after all, European gunsmiths will not tolerate a new competitor on the European beachhead.

On the other hand, the Russian authorities, dissatisfied with the European choice of the Ukrainian authorities, have repeatedly demonstrated the possibility of taking protective measures against Ukrainian goods. For example, the toughened inspection introduced by the Russian side on the Russian-Ukrainian border was aimed at showing the Ukrainian side the advantages of membership in the Customs Union. Such actions are not an attempt to break ties between the two states, but only warn about a possible change in the terms of trade between countries. If Ukraine makes the final decision on EU membership, the Ukrainian defense industry will receive the most significant blow, Russia will also increase the price of energy supplied to Ukraine. Most likely, the terms of supply for most of the contracts already concluded will be revised, especially in the field of scientific and technical cooperation. Russia will look for other suppliers of products that it still buys in Ukraine today. For example, OJSC Helicopters of Russia have already reduced by 30% the volume of engine purchases from Motor Sich, having found reliable suppliers among Russian and Western enterprises.

Turning from a state of partners to a situation of competition, the two countries will be forced to compete in many areas on the world market. Wins the one who can produce better products without disrupting delivery times. Considering the economic situation in both countries, most likely, Russian enterprises that have already adapted to the conditions of tough competition will win. And Ukraine, in this case, is waiting for an increase in unemployment, a reduction in wages and, as a result, a deepening of social conflicts in the country.

The destruction of industrial potential can be followed by the destruction of Ukraine’s agriculture. Everyone knows that Europe is suffering from overproduction of food and the EU will be profitable to destroy competitors in the face of Ukrainian agricultural producers and at the same time get an additional market for the supply of European agricultural products.

Citizens of Ukraine, having lost their jobs, are stuck in debt, will be forced to join the ranks of cheap labor in European countries.

Some experts cite statistics that currently in Estonia, Latvia and Bulgaria, which have joined the EU before, 40% of the population lives on the verge of poverty, only 20% have found work in European companies and represent the middle class, only 3% of the population have an income enough to not think about their daily bread, but the rest live in poverty without the hope of improving their situation. It is unlikely that Ukraine is waiting for the best performance.

Ukrainian communists insist on holding a popular referendum on closer cooperation with the countries of the Customs Union. Sociological surveys among Ukrainian citizens have shown that 40% for joining the country to the Customs Union and the same for joining the European Union, 20% have not yet decided on their position.

In turn, Kiev is trying to weaken the pressure of the Russian side on the issue of Ukraine’s accession to the Customs Union, moving the discussion to the plane of refusing the presence of the Black Sea fleet in Crimea. This topic arose from the filing of the head of the National Salvation Committee of Ukraine P. Nauss, who is confident that the EU will require the withdrawal of the Black Sea Fleet from Crimea so that the water area of ​​the Ukrainian part of the Black Sea will subsequently be available to the NATO fleet and UN “peacekeepers”. The leadership of Ukraine for the sake of the EU is even ready to unilaterally terminate the agreements signed in 2010 in Kharkov on the basis of the Russian Black Sea Fleet for 25 years with the possibility of further automatic extension of the term.

Note that for the fact that the Black Sea Fleet remained in the Crimea, the Ukrainian side received a discount on Russian energy resources. Today, the Ukrainian leadership believes that they are clearly “made a bad bargain” and demand a revision of gas contacts in the direction of cheaper gas supplies by the Russian side. The most interesting in this stories that Europe did not put forward any demands for the expulsion of the Russian Black Sea Fleet from the Crimea. Consequently, Kiev is trying to prepare public opinion in advance, linking the “wonderful future” in the EU with the supply of Russian energy, and the Black Sea Fleet has become just a bargaining chip in this dispute.

According to analysts, currently there are no prerequisites for the fact that Ukraine will be able to build at least some kind of "civilized" choice between the EU and the Customs Union. The problem escalated into an open political and economic conflict between the two countries. In turn, Russia, seeking the decision of the Ukrainian authorities that is necessary for itself, resorts to a policy of imperial pressure, disregarding the formally declared slogan of equal cooperation with Ukraine.

A reasonable question arises - can Ukraine exist independently? Sure. Having an educated and very able-bodied population, natural resources, and a convenient geographical position, Ukraine is able to build its future without regard for its neighbors.

Of course, the peoples of the two fraternal states will nevertheless find the only way that will allow the two countries to live in peace and good neighborliness.

Materials used:
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http://www.ng.ru/cis/2013-10-02/1_flot.html
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Comments

[Zhenya]

May be enough? The theme is hackneyed to madness!

[domokl]

No, it’s just that a new interpretation is emerging ... Independence, a kind of micro-Russia .. Everything is itself. Only the Rubicon has already been completed.
Analysts have long realized that there are only two options left to solve the problem - the first one will come in by nobody, the second one will not come in simply because a 40 millionth country with a budget consisting entirely of debts is simple, at the moment.

[mirag2]

The Hungarians did not allow Jewish capital to themselves.
Shimon Peres said that winning without military force is possible only with the help of the economy, and then said that Israel will invest a lot of money in Hungary.
Then huge money was poured into Hungary from Israel. The Hungarians asked the Jews what is the purpose of coming to us? The Jews called them Nazis and refused to talk to them at all, because they started introducing their people into power.
After that, the money supply moves towards Ukraine. With this money, the Jewish lobby, the more favored nation regime for Jewish business, the most brutal corruption, all goods from Israel and produced by Jewish businessmen, etc. will come. etc.

[Orel]

Today, Ukraine faces the need to resolve a very important issue for the country - to join the European Union or join the Customs Union

Nobody invites Ukraine to the European Union and I think they will not invite it for another 50 years, or maybe never ...

[Vasya Ivanov]

Video in the topic. The tale of choice. http://rutube.ru/video/809516f766ecfa913c14b6d88b4d3bbf/

[Victor]

Quote: mirag2

After that, the money supply moves towards Ukraine. With this money, the Jewish lobby, the more favored nation regime for Jewish business, the most brutal corruption, all goods from Israel and produced by Jewish businessmen, etc. will come. etc.

This is Israel’s revenge for the Jewish pogroms that were in Ukraine in well-known times. Jews forget nothing and will always find an opportunity to take revenge, as was the case with the October Revolution in Russia.

[revnagan]

Quote: Victor

Jews forget nothing and will always find an opportunity to take revenge

Nothing, he laughs best who laughs last. Ukraine also remembers how Jews rented Orthodox churches, and it was possible to sing the deceased or get married only by paying a lot of money to Jew. Well, and as history develops in a spiral, there will again be Jewish pogroms, who were in Ukraine in notorious times The joke.

[Victor]

Quote: revnagan

there will be Jewish pogroms that were in Ukraine in notorious times

You mistook me for a Jew? God forbid from such punishment. I just wanted to say that the Jews will always find a way to take revenge. And in the most sophisticated way.

[amaton]

There is a joke in every joke - the rest is true

[VARCHUN]

In Ukraine, Jews are also not forgotten and they know about it, but you should understand that even though Ukraine and Russia are different countries, they are the same people. The mentality is identical.

[Rus2012]

Quote: domokl

the second will not be entered simply because the 40 millionth country with a budget consisting entirely of debts is simple, at the moment. It is not strong for the EU ...

The experience of Greece, if it does not teach anything, let them enter. It will not end with whatever they wish.
And the most interesting is just dying :)

PS: The European Parliament is in shock: the Ukrainian delegation simply did not attend the hearing
The next meeting of the European Parliament delegation in the EU-Ukraine Parliamentary Cooperation Committee on Wednesday, October 9, ended in Strasbourg without having begun.
The Ukrainian part of the committee did not appear at the meeting, Deutsche Welle reports.
“In my parliamentary practice, I’ve never encountered anything like this before,” said committee member British MP Charles Tennock. According to him, it’s very difficult to understand and take this step.

http://hvylya.org/news/exclusive/evroparlament-v-shoke-ukrainskaya-delegatsiya-p
rosto-ne-priehala-na-slushaniya.html

[domokl]

Quote: Rus2012

The experience of Greece, if it does not teach anything, let them enter.

Alas, the doctrine of weakening Russia by tearing Ukraine away from it is as old as the world. The Ukrainians can almost decide nothing themselves ... They are too stuck in debt. So the game is against Russia. Ukraine, as it were, would not hurt the Ukrainians just a pawn .. .

[Egoza]

Quote: Rus2012

The European Parliament is in shock: the Ukrainian delegation simply did not attend the hearing

well, they couldn’t decide who would lead the delegation. Then they decided that they would be headed by two - from the ruling party and from the Opposition. Then they could not decide who these two would be ... And what did Europe want? Where there are two Ukrainians - there are three hetmans! They will cry even from us! Oh, cry! Sami will offer to exit quickly!
But seriously, then, yes, Ukraine could at the start be independent with such baggage from the Ukrainian SSR. It won't work now. Everything that "effective managers" could have ruined. Those. owners who do not understand the nuances of the industry, but someone's relatives. There is still a little more - to take everything over the hill. Well, still sell the land (together with the people, and maybe without them). Look, China has already opened its mouth. Nobody will join the EU. But the association with the EU gives a lot of opportunities for Europe, including the creeping of NATO, and NOTHING for the people.

[SHILO]

Egoza
Well, still sell the land (along with the people, and maybe without it).

No need to doubt! Sell ​​with the people and the point (this is sarcasm and irony!).

[AndreyAB]

Comrades gentlemen, the right way to go is not long left; after the end of the path of the people, the outskirts will never be there.

[avt]

Quote: SHILO

No need to doubt! Sell ​​with the people and the point

It is with you

Quote: SHILO

(this is sarcasm and irony!)

, but the gop company that runs Ukraine is quite a goal that they are steadily fulfilling and this process will be made irreversible after association in the geysouz.

[nnz226]

At the end of the phrase on the poster should be a question mark!

[Panikovsky]

and you should not give a damn, since Ukraine hasn’t gone, the anthem, the so-called Ukraine’s ne bulo, but te, scho bulo, kind words, not worth it, that’s not worth it.

[VARCHUN]

So, Ukraine was a connoisseur of stories and I’ll hope to eat, I heard when you don’t have such_the breadbasket of Europe_this is about this country. It’s one thing that Ukraine is beneficial to Russia as a buffer zone (Imperial manners), but people are no longer the same. So the government **** ***, and the majority of people are good.

[MG42]

Quote: Rus2012

The experience of Greece, if it does not teach anything, let them enter. It will not end with whatever they wish.
And the most interesting is just dying :)

Where and who enters? Ukraine is already admitted to the EU?

[Shuriken]

apparently swelled ...

[Canep]

Quote: domokl

A 40 millionth country with a budget consisting entirely of debts is simple, at the moment. Impenetrable for the EU ...

So they do not invite her to the EU, after signing the association, Ukraine will open its markets to European goods and capital, but Europe will not take any special obligations. This is a one-goal game, Europeans want to solve their financial problems at the expense of Ukraine, (fucking .. and throwing it away). When they ruin Ukraine, they will not need it.

[sergey32]

And Europe will get a white cheap meek resident guest workers who will not wear a hijab, build mosques, burn cars.

[MG42]

Quote: domokl

the second will not enter simply because the 40 millionth country with a budget consisting entirely of debts is simple, at the moment. It is not high for the EU.

I wonder where you shared another 5 million inhabitants .. ..in Ukraine, the population is 45,45 million people ...
Any budget of any country consists of income and expenses .. And the question of joining the EU is not just a free trade zone and the association is somewhat in-depth, judging by the number of pages of the agreement ..

[nnz226]

And in fact, how many live on this territory? Zarobitsk residents, who are considered to be huge citizens of the Square, where do they hang out? At home or abroad? just in size, supposedly "lost"!

[MG42]

Quote: nnz226

But in fact, how many people live in this territory?

Let’s take a sensible approach, including registration / citizenship or temporary residence. For example, someone left for a month to work on a coven in a neighboring country. Do you consider him to be a zarabotchan who does not live in Ukraine? It is necessary to build on citizenship ..
For example, I went for a week or two to my brother’s Moscow, that I don’t live there in Ukraine or are temporarily absent, for this I need a census, which by the way will be held in the near future.
The number of people is determined by the registration of births and deaths in the difference, and that will be the population in that territory.
As for the factual one at the moment, minus zarobitchan, but it is necessary to add migrants from the same Caucasus, Central Asia, students from different countries, etc. who actually stay here in Ukraine, and that then there is sheer confusion and chaos ..

Quote: nnz226

Arobitchites, who are considered to be masses of land, where are they hanging around?

Why hang around? // only enroll prostitutes in this category, I don’t respect them very much, the rest of the workers work and bring a rather significant influx of currency to Ukraine, see the statistics of how many billions of dollars the inflow of currency to Ukraine from the earned money .. so do not, I wrote everything correctly number of population ..

[teleset]

And who of the Ukrainians at all saw this agreement with the EU on a free trade zone? I think not, I suspect that I won’t. Because after reading it all Ukrainians will immediately grab onto the valerian. Yes, it’s enough to read it and it will become clear who wins and who loses. these euro-crippled people made a myth about their European Union they say join and all you have will be chiki-farts. The AHA, as it were, didn’t ruin your economy first, and then you yourself run to organizations such as the IMF, ECB, and the PRISK CLUB. And then when there will be nothing to pay, you can already forget about your independence since it is not the government but the brusel that will decide how much to reduce the salaries of state employees, since we all know who is behind these banks.

[Corneli]

Quote: teleset

And who of the Ukrainians at all saw this agreement with the EU on a free trade zone? I think not, I suspect that I won’t. Because after reading it all Ukrainians will immediately grab onto the valerian. Yes, it’s enough to read it and it will become clear who wins and who loses.

I saw and read, and for a long time ... He is in the public domain
http://comeuroint.rada.gov.ua/komevroint/doccatalog/document?id=56219
To the Ukrainian. True, I didn’t look in Russian) It’s, in principle, not very big, it’s quite possible to read, all the more there are a lot of common phrases and repetitions.
To be honest, I don’t think that it is radically different from the FTA CIS treaties, for example.

[Oleg Kharkov]

Is it really a sensible article? Finally, someone guessed that most Ukrainians do not want either in the EU or the CU. Are armored brains really cracked?

[amaton]

I don’t understand what our people are doing - somewhere scam ... there is a suspicion that we are already in the CU but nobody knows this yet ... especially since Ukraine is going to join 70 provisions of the CU, when there are only 80 of them ...
"Will Ukraine join the European Union?"
Ukraine has once again distinguished itself. Well, Ukrainian politicians cannot always behave adequately, periodically showing their character and enviable originality. So, on October 9, when the European Parliament was supposed to consider Ukraine's accession to the EU, the Ukrainian side stunned the naive Europeans by simply not showing up at the session (for more details, see http://a-beskotti.livejournal.com/19786.html). How to react to this, European politicians still do not know. There was nothing like that in their practice ... "
http://live.progorodsamara.ru/live/view/96

[seller trucks]

Most likely, Ukraine will enter the EU as a part-time federal district of Western Europe.

in fact, Ukraine does not join the EU, and whether it will, is a big question, the word "defective" just reflects the essence of accession. The signing of the association is also an issue that has not yet been resolved, then what the six countries are screaming not to take seriously, as well as the statements of the Euro-patriots, the issue will be decided first of all by Germany, then France, they are simply silent for now. Molodchaga, Boguslaev, there are still healthy people in Ukraine, they understand everything. Recently the media leaked infa that wages are being delayed at Yuzhmash, pre-protest sentiments are brewing.

http://www.ukrrudprom.ua/news/YUgmash_za_god_ne_prodal_ni_odnoy_edinitsi_produkt
sii.html

"Yuzhmash" is like "Motorsich" business cards of Ukraine as science-intensive industries, what can be said about others

not everything is calm in the fabulous kingdom of fifties

[domokl]

Quote: seller trucks

in fact, Ukraine does not enter the EU and whether it will enter, the big question

It enters ... Only in much the same way as in the WTO. Under the terms of the EU. Ukraine does not receive rights, but receives a lot of not only economic but also political responsibilities.
And about the protest moods ... I would not dare to say that they are brewing. It is possible. That this is a tactical move. There is very little time left before signing. The people will tolerate. All the more people in such an enterprise.
But after signing it is possible to give out the whole salary as an example of improving the economic condition of the country ...

[seller trucks]

Quote: domokl

It enters ... Only in much the same way as in the WTO. Under the terms of the EU. Ukraine does not receive rights, but receives a lot of not only economic but also political responsibilities.

will enter, will not enter, now this is a fortune-telling on coffee grounds, we’ll wake up to see. In any case, the last word is not ours, I just want to say that if Ukraine were needed in the EU, it would have joined a long time ago, Yushch, tore the point that he would join Ukraine to Europe and what? all the boron cheese was unleashed after the creation of the TS, when it became a reality. In the Washington Regional Committee, they fussed and pledged to Germany (the rest does not count) to accept Ukraine there, before that Germany was the main opponent of entry. Of course, it’s hard for me to predict the future, but in the light of recent events, everything can be, I hope, our German-speaking leaders will agree.

[Civil]

The choice of Ukraine is one - the return of the territories of New Russia and the creation of its own national state on the remaining part. That is, strictly SECTION, there is no other acceptable choice, do not take them to the vehicle under any conditions.

[Igor39]

I totally agree! Let them go to the EU, live according to orders from Brussels, and then the people will make their choice.

[Gunsmith]

20% did not make a choice? Six months later, the cold winter will be determined! This is the only option - it’s painful to drag a suitcase without a handle.

[Rusich51]

Quote: Marrying

May be enough? The theme is hackneyed to madness!

The original enemies of the Russians drive a wedge between us. Take advantage of the guys and quit. I believe that the time will come and our people will be reunited.

[Kibalchish]

First I read "for two eggs"... Then infa appeared yesterday that Ukraine could revise the gas agreement.
In response, they hinted that they could revise the agreement on the Crimea.

[Captain Vrungel]

To EU or CU? And there is shitty, and there is shitty. And there is a poor relative, and here is a niche brother. Than to have such relatives, can remain an orphan.
Maybe people will understand what the main trouble is.

[In the book]

"And there is a poor relative, and here is a niche brother. Than to have such relatives, can remain an orphan."
Here you are right 100% Only Ukrainian power-holding brains do not have enough for this, but only enough to fill their moshna.

[Alexei]

Quote: Captain Vrungel

And there is a poor relative, and here is a niche brother.

Well, they will throw a poor relative how to drink, but a poor brother will not raise his hand. And they can send an orphan to an orphanage, but it’s not at all sweet there.

[peter_shchurov]

Quote: Alexej

but the poor brother to throw a hand does not rise.

Oh, just don’t have to make up a whole vase of yourself.

better with no one than with "brothers" like you.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Captain Vrungel

Maybe people will understand what the main trouble is.

If you are saying that "Soviet power is a million times more democratic than the most democratic bourgeois republic", there is no doubt an absolutely accurate definition!

[peter_shchurov]

Quote: Alekseev

"Soviet power is a million times more democratic than the most democratic bourgeois republic",

it’s also written on the fence, but you touch the tree.
If bald at the time something blurted out, then this is not an axiom.

[Lech from our city]

Well, here the US analysts have found a weak spot in the post-Russian space - the crisis is inevitable and what it will result in is unknown.
It is clear that puppeteers from the United States will add gasoline here uncontrollably.

[vkrav]

Quote: Lech from our city

And here the US analysts have found a weak spot

Not "groped", but in advance created and carefully prepared.

[os9165]

Only the people of Ukraine will suffer
Forgive me, my torment of the people,
I'll move. Let me mumble!
Well sіsh, sіsh, but it’s not right,
І тільки змії swirling and pissing.
All protest all, no one is unfit.
Zlіst ruhaє people
Ale at bіk bezodnі ....

© Lіna Kostenko

[Valery Neonov]

"Citizens of Ukraine, having lost their jobs, stuck in debt, will be forced to replenish the ranks of cheap labor in European countries"-It is that CITIZENS!, and the leadership does not care about all this, and anything already does not depend on them ...

[svskor80]

Indeed, it’s enough to discuss these topics. Everything has already been said for a long time and since Ukraine has chosen the path to the UES of Russia, all protectionist measures should be applied and partnerships with Ukrainian companies should be curtailed. Begging is already stupid and useless.

[Lone wolf]

For steamed this Ukraine! Let them do what they want!
We can do without them!

[saag]

And in this trident you see a spoon with a double-toothed fork :-)

[IRBIS]

Quote: saag

And in this trident you see a spoon with a double-toothed fork :-)

And the motto of the Wehrmacht under it ...

[Dart weyder]

Wehrmacht's motto! ??? stupidity or ignorance - put it in the negative ... are you Tatars !? or someone else! ???? Tridents went with Kievan Rus .... so that the history of all Slavs living .... why we identify Ukraine with the Wehrmacht! ??? And ROA! ??????? Vlasovites! ????

[Gunsmith]

It’s clear with symbolism, according to some reports, the trident was earlier than Kievan Rus, but with the second - ayka! Do not confuse - during the Second World War, it was under the sign of a trident that the Most Cruel Punitive Squads were on the sleeve, and if you do not know who killed Belarus and so on .. - your problems. ROA was not involved in punitive actions ...
Py.Sy. - I can not answer, in recent years Too many documents have been raised from the archives on this topic. Only lazy will not find.

[Captain Vrungel]

It was under these that the traitors and scoundrels of Ukraine fought on the side of the fascists. The flag was "in truth" "zhovto-blakytny". Now Blue-yellow.

[In the book]

And under such a flag, the traitors and scoundrels of Russia fought on the side of the Nazis.
Well, in the end?
Crap each other up?

[netishunUA]

Traitors have no nationality. Garbage of humanity, no more.

[Dart weyder]

traitors and scoundrels were from all over the union, why are you hooked to Ukraine !?
there were many exemplary warriors

[Dart weyder]

Gunsmith keep the documents to yourself, along with your myopia, like the comrades described above, it’s not the flags, the OUN UPA and Chechnya fought against Russia, but there were mercenaries from Russia itself and Russians by nationality - the fact is that the family has its black sheep , there’s a lot of just talk about the fraternal people, and at the same moment we pour it with slops categorically ... OUN UPA and so on - this is western Ukraine .... they are mainly from Poland from Romania, what did you expect from them !? and policemen and traitors were everywhere - and this is a fact, we simply don’t see a log in our own eyes .....

[IRBIS]

Quote: Dart Weyder

Wehrmacht's motto! ???

"God is with us Ukraine". If Ukraine is discarded, what remains? Didn't you go to school and didn't watch a movie?

[Dart weyder]

ROA oath, tell the fishes about your school:
“As a faithful son of my Motherland, voluntarily joining the ranks of the armed forces of the peoples of Russia, I swear in front of my compatriots - for the good of my people, under the command of General Vlasov, to fight against Bolshevism to the last drop of blood. This struggle is waged by all freedom-loving peoples in alliance with Germany under the main command of Adolf Hitler. I swear to be faithful to this union. In fulfillment of this oath, I am willing to give my life. "
and the fact that they told you about Benderstadt and Ukraine - at least you don’t tell anyone, unless with such knowledge in this area as you do, they won’t understand ...

[DuraLexSedLex.]

Honestly, the people are somehow tired of politics, this is the Voennoye Obozreniye site or the usual forum about "who is where to go" and "who is whose mother is the most, in different poses." Yes, Ukraine has not an easy time, it is already clear that one ass you can't sit on 2 chairs, especially when these 2 chairs are moving apart. But "... Or what choice should Ukraine make?", which one will be chosen by the people of that very Ukraine, we will not decide anything at the forum, and we will not help anyone. worn down to holes and inciting ethnic enmity ... because that's what it all pours into.

[Echo]

Ukraine can be Ukraine only as part of Russia. As a non-fall state, Ukraine can only be a land of destruction. Absolutely all sane people have understood this for a very long time.

[Corneli]

Quote: Echo

Ukraine can be Ukraine only as part of Russia. As a non-fall state, Ukraine can only be a land of destruction. Absolutely all sane people have understood this for a very long time.

To Belarusians and Kazakhs, to your partners in the Customs Union, tell this to begin with. How do they, incidentally, call you names if they don't want to be in the "composition of Russia" (and they are not in the composition, by the way) The Turkmens and Azerbaijan are still mona, they really have a lot of gas and oil

[peter_shchurov]

Quote: Echo

Ukraine can be Ukraine only as part of Russia. As a non-fall state, Ukraine can only be a land of destruction. Absolutely all sane people have understood this for a very long time.

as long as there are enough degenerates like you in the Russian Federation, we have absolutely nothing to catch with such, if we may say "brothers"

[The gentleman]

The topic, of course, is relevant. I believe that the two camps, East and West, solve the issues of internal residence of the tribes and so far it is not possible to attack each other, as it was in the last century. Ukraine can not solve the problem, because. the state itself is fragmented. The western part decides national issues, the issues of the nation and openly shows hatred of other Slavs, the eastern part wants to live without borders. Based on the results of the struggle between the western and eastern parts of Ukraine, it will be possible to conclude where the Ukraine river will carry

[aszzz888]

It is always better to learn from the mistakes of others. And the experience of the former Soviet bloc countries that have joined the EU, such as Romania, Estonia, Lithuania, Bulgaria and Latvia, best of all demonstrates what Ukraine can expect in a “European paradise”.

If you don’t have your own mind, let them step on the same rake.

[Gunsmith]

They do not attack - they dance on them all the last years! Complaining that there is no fat - they hamped. That's right, it’s unprofitable to buy for 40 hryvnias, people live poorly, but buying up everything and reselling it expensively in Russia is forever. And I, with my rather average salary (30-35000 rubles), do not notice prices for the fat they love so much. Let them drive.

[Mhpv]

There will be no membership. "Associate membership" is not a full-fledged one, we have already discussed it. Another thing is that Ukraine does not really need it, even the delegates from Ukraine itself did not appear at the meeting, so they were shocked by such actions, they even decided to go and find out themselves.
Ukraine wants to become a big bazaar - bought in the EU, sold in the CU and vice versa, we will live on these two percent, only the same two percent will live, and the rest will serve this market.

Having created the impression that all European legislation is aimed solely at raising living standards for every citizen and power in general, advocates for European integration “forget” about some of the nuances. One of them is the existence in European legislation of the concept of restitution, i.e. return to former owners of illegally confiscated property. This concept has long been firmly entrenched in EU law - as a guarantee of the right of citizens to dispose of their property peacefully. Moreover, in Europe, the issue of restitution is considered in a complex - i.e. both regarding the return to countries of cultural values ​​(mainly the cultural property taken out during the war), and the restoration of the ownership right of individual citizens to property seized from them.

Here is another problem the Poles have been waiting for you rather your-your land for a long time

[Russ69]

Of course, the peoples of the two fraternal states will nevertheless find the only way that will allow the two countries to live in peace and good neighborliness.

The peoples, they would have found ... Only now it is not the people who decide, but the "elite" which do not care about this very people.

[Dart weyder]

What kind of independence !? - the author, this is a fantasy on a free theme !? never - this is a transit country that connects Europe (enlightened to the "Blue" bones) and Russia, and in order to reward Russia (read Belorussia, (Ukraine does not count - its population is dumped insolently) and the Slavs and Orthodox in general - because their on the example of Serbia, they are simply destroying), (Byd-lo) politicians from Independent simply drain the country for some gesheft and profits, and no one is going to take it to the EU - and why !? if at least 10% of what is published from the Association Agreement with the EU is true, why do they need Ukraine in the EU !? If this is the EU will have (this is the word) Ukraine in full, without any obligations! and in a couple of years, destroying production and the economy (or rather, what is left of them), Ukraine can throw off the anti-people government and the shackles of the EU - and crawl into the vehicle ... estimate how much money will be needed for restoration later! ?????? but they will take it back ...

[samoletil18]

People even comment, but I did not understand the essence of the article. And there it is bad, and there it is bad. And themselves, too, in no way. An article about how bad things became in Ukraine after the collapse of the USSR, this is how it has been since the time of Kravchuk. And how to save herself is not clear to her. Maybe, really, it was not worth breaking: "For a century with Russia!", Then there was an article about the fact that great-grandfathers were let down.

[Dart weyder]

The fish rots from the head ... just like the union has fallen apart .... after all, the braking of the "center" and the idea of ​​eliminating the USSR from Moscow passed ... then the local princes realized how much they could snatch - so there is no need to blame everything on the republics - if the center had not rotted - and would not have allowed EBN, and would have removed Humpbacked - who knows ... after all, it was not Kravchuk and Shukhevych who left the USSR - but EBN helped them

[Mhpv]

Quote: Dart Weyder

it’s not Kravchuk and Shukhevych who left the USSR, but the EBN helped them

Since the election in May 1990g. the highest official of the largest republic of the USSR, political opponent M. Gorbachev B. Yeltsin and the adoption of the Declaration on State Sovereignty of Russia, began a period of rapid economic and political disintegration of the union state.

[Dart weyder]

I agree - i.e. - Russia left the USSR, (liberals merged for the silver coins - the USSR) and not the rest, because at least Ukraine and Belarus and Kazakhstan, if they had survived, there wouldn’t be such garbage (((((not really under EBN or Gorby’s rule

[Mhpv]

Strange as it may seem, the EBN was the first to proclaim the independence of the RSFSR as part of the USSR and the republics had no choice but to follow suit, plus the crisis of diarchy of EBN — the chairman of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR and Gorbachev — the president of the USSR.

[Migari]

Quote: Valery Neon

"Citizens of Ukraine, having lost their jobs, stuck in debt, will be forced to replenish the ranks of cheap labor in European countries"-It is that CITIZENS!, and the leadership does not care about all this, and anything already does not depend on them ...

Unfortunately, this is so, people don’t decide, remember when we were still in the Union, they held a referendum, there was a question about preserving the Soviet Union, on March 17, 1991, the only referendum over the 70 year period of the USSR’s existence took place.

The citizens of the Soviet Union were asked the question: "Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?"

In the Ukrainian SSR 70,2 percent answered "Yes"; in the Byelorussian SSR - 82,7%; in the Uzbek SSR - 93,7%; in the Kazakh SSR - 94,1%; in the Azerbaijan SSR - 93,3%; in the Kirghiz SSR - 94,6%; in the Tajik SSR - 96,2%; in the Turkmen SSR - 97,9%.

Well, who listened to the voice of the people?

[MG42]

Quote: author Valery Boval

Today, Ukraine faces the need to resolve a very important issue for the country - to join the European Union or join the Customs Union. Surprisingly, no one is even considering the option that the country can independently build its futurewhile maintaining friendly relations and mutually beneficial relations with both the eastern neighbor and the western community

How does no one consider this? 22 years have not played enough of this "nezalezhnosti" = policy of multi-vector and sitting on 2 chairs? Tired of it specifically .. because in the end the country turned out to be weak and there were only strong neighbors around, with the exception of Moldova, well, it’s so small compared to Ukraine. As a result, it turns out between the two fires, and did not become a bridge because an ill-conceived policy led to the fact that only new tolls and bans, roads were bad and even now there are not very many autobahns for the transport bridge in the understanding of the EU in our understanding ..
Yes, the power was essentially determined by blocking the referendum on the CU and moving towards the EU, today it’s another step towards agreement, yesterday the European Commissioner arrived in Kiev, and German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle

Today, October 11, President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych will hold a meeting with European Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighborhood Policy Stefan Fule.

This was reported by the press service of the President of Ukraine.

The European Commissioner also intends to take part in a roundtable meeting with representatives of the Ukrainian authorities and the opposition, as well as representatives of public organizations to discuss preparations for the Vilnius Summit to be held in November.

In particular, the participants in the discussion will discuss the agenda of the Eastern Partnership Summit, as well as further steps after Ukraine has signed the Association Agreement with the EU.

Also during his visit, Fule will take part in the conference "Path to the Eastern Partnership

http://lb.ua/news/2013/10/11/232850_yanukovich_segodnya_vstretitsya_fyule.html

And the German Foreign Minister suggested that Germany was ready to accept Tymoshenko for treatment, you can bet what date she will be released to Germany, I think that in the first half of November ..

Also yesterday it became known that the EU is ready to participate in financing the modernization of ukroGTS ..

[In the book]

Quote: mirag2

Ukrainian co

Quote: mirag2

The Hungarians did not allow Jewish capital to themselves.
Shimon Peres said that winning without military force is possible only with the help of the economy, and then said that Israel will invest a lot of money in Hungary.
Then huge money was poured into Hungary from Israel. The Hungarians asked the Jews what is the purpose of coming to us? The Jews called them Nazis and refused to talk to them at all, because they started introducing their people into power.
After that, the money supply moves towards Ukraine. With this money, the Jewish lobby, the more favored nation regime for Jewish business, the most brutal corruption, all goods from Israel and produced by Jewish businessmen, etc. will come. etc.

Do you naively believe that Jewish money has not yet entered Ukraine? Look at Dnepropetrovsk, read about Kolomoisky, Pinchuk and the rest ...
I believe that a similar situation exists in Russia.

[zmey_gadukin]

For the first time I put "+" for Beauvala. Rather for the conclusion, and not for the whole article.
Nevertheless, he is right that Ukraine can exist without entering into closer alliances. And ... I suppose a flurry of criticism, Ukraine could well do without loans and without unions, preserving what it is now and attracting investments from the outside.
I can give examples. Not more than three years ago, Rosatom invested simply phenomenal money in one very promising engineering plant. And without any alliances. Or do you think that fools are sitting in Rosatom? No. I think everything was counted, balanced and appreciated there more than once. And risks, including those of a political nature.
Americans are investing, for example, in the assembly of mobile phones and other gadgets. Built a factory.
Why not an investment?

The main thing is to create an acceptable investment climate. And ... to disperse the government along with the national opposition. Only so far no one ...

[Mhpv]

Quote: zmey_gadukin

Or do you think that fools are sitting in Rosatom?

Or do you think that foreign economic activity is being done without the knowledge of the country's leadership?

[zmey_gadukin]

I don’t think so ... but what is your question?

[major071]

If that were so, that would be nothing. If, of course, it was. But since this is not so, so it is not that way. This is the logic of things.

© Lewis Carroll Alice in Wonderland

[EGORKA]

Quote: zmey_gadukin

For the first time I put "+" for Beauvala. Rather for the conclusion, and not for the whole article.
Nevertheless, he is right that Ukraine can exist without entering into closer alliances. And ... I suppose a flurry of criticism, Ukraine could well do without loans and without unions, preserving what it is now and attracting investments from the outside.
I can give examples. Not more than three years ago, Rosatom invested simply phenomenal money in one very promising engineering plant. And without any alliances. Or do you think that fools are sitting in Rosatom? No. I think everything was counted, balanced and appreciated there more than once. And risks, including those of a political nature.
Americans are investing, for example, in the assembly of mobile phones and other gadgets. Built a factory.
Why not an investment?

The main thing is to create an acceptable investment climate. And ... to disperse the government along with the national opposition. Only so far no one ...

Only theoretically, 22 years have shown that in practice you can’t. The country has been brought to the edge, so now you are not selling your sovereignty profitably, but consider surrendering the EU.

[poccinin]

the war will be in Ukraine. as in Syria. after the people are impoverished from the EU. the country will split into two camps. "West" and "East" in Crimea Tatars will raise their heads. "Al-Qaeda" will come.

[Echo]

Quote: zmey_gadukin

Nevertheless, he is right that Ukraine can exist without entering into closer alliances.

The current situation in Ukraine very clearly demonstrates how it can exist without entering any unions. The collapse is complete and comprehensive. But there is room to grow: geyropyshes urgently need colonies!

[zmey_gadukin]

Quote: EGORKA

Only theoretically, 22 years have shown that in practice you can’t. The country has been brought to the edge, so now you are not selling your sovereignty profitably, but consider surrendering the EU.

Or TS can pass sovereignty.
The fact is that joining a union will not solve anything. We need fundamental changes in the structure of power.

Quote: Echo

The current situation in Ukraine very clearly demonstrates how it can exist without entering any unions. The collapse is complete and comprehensive. But there is room to grow: geyropyshes urgently need colonies!

Is it possible without tantrums?
Let's see if Ukraine joins the Customs Union, will it cease to steal from it? Or will corruption disappear? Or investment by the river? Answer ...

[ork]

Is it possible without tantrums?
Let's see if Ukraine joins the Customs Union, will it cease to steal from it? Or will corruption disappear? Or investment by the river? Answer ...
I answer. They will not stop stealing even after the association and all sorts of "entry types", but rather attacks on a rake in any of the unions. Corruption will not disappear, it will simply be headed by other "comrades, or gentlemen." But as for the investment, you can argue if you look at the current dynamics. Just do not confuse investments and "a little bit of returns from offshore".
But there is one thing - during the period of the Ukrainian people being part of the BROTHER RUSSIAN EMPIRE, then the USSR did not become smaller, we remained UKRAINIANS. We have remained and developed traditions, language, We were one of the most powerful Republic in a giant country. We did not suffer the fate of the Apache tribes, Sioux and many others. We believed in GOD and respected ancestors. I was proud that I was from Ukraine. Together, the most powerful high-tech industries were built. And it’s worth fighting for.
Answer one simple question (without the slogans and stamps of mass media) - what did we forget in EUROPE ?? !! Who's stopping us now is to study, work, relax.

[zmey_gadukin]

Quote: orek

what did we forget in EUROPE ?? !!

You apparently did not carefully read my comments.
I never called before joining Europe)) I, on the contrary, against unions. What is customs, what is European.
So your comment is a bit off the mark. As for the rest, then ...

Quote: orek

But about investments, one can argue if you look at the existing dynamics.

Tired of repeating, investments come only in two cases:
-when the country is completely collapsed and destroyed.
-when a country has a favorable investment climate.
In the first case, this is Iraq, many countries in Africa ...
In the second - Singapore, Malaysia, China ...
Where to be in Ukraine? Europe is out of date. First of all, morally. It is expensive and not profitable to build there because of the high cost.
Our place is between Asia and Europe.
I hope you understand my point.

[ork]

Our place is between Asia and Europe.
I hope you understand my point.
Geographically, yes. If practically, then they will have both. I hope you understand my point.
And about your examples with the first recipients of investments, then you are a terribly bloodthirsty person. I would be ashamed to set these countries as an example.
This is not an investment, it is an OCCUPATION. Or you do not distinguish and do not feel the difference. Pity the memory of Saddam. In these countries and continents, people are destroyed. Chur me, chur.

[zmey_gadukin]

Quote: orek

This is not an investment, it is an OCCUPATION

again, you are not carefully reading or deliberately distorting the meaning of my words.
I did not write that I want occupation of my country. On the contrary. This is what you decided. Read carefully again, and then think before you write something.

[mirag2]

Do you think Europe has nothing to do, how can you clean up corruption? It’s more convenient for them to rob you. And they will say that this is your internal affair. We also thought that we would have order, but instead we introduced a remote board ...
And you all are waiting for the uncle from the side ... Come and conquer? Naive ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Ukraine for decrepit Europe is like fresh healthy blood .. Fertile (natural resources not yet poisoned by chemistry) And what a talented people! And what kind of girls (blood with milk) are all educated with a rich centuries-old culture that has survived in spite of everything experienced by the Ukrainian people .. Europe is choking on illiterate and hungry and aggressive migrants from Africa in Asia .. You can’t give Ukraine to geyevrop they will divine this blessed land and corrupt the people (replacing their historical essence with their demonic values ​​..) That's how the brothers Slavs! I wrote what I thought .. I’m not right to live on ..

[ork]

Clear, accurate comment. 10+.
Politics against the USSR was formed in the USA at the end of the 40 of the XX century and voiced by the American general Allen Dulles, the head of political intelligence of the USA in Europe, who later became the director of the CIA. Here are his words:

The war will end, everything will settle down and settle down. And we will throw everything that we have: all the gold, all the material power to fool and fool people! The human brain, the minds of people are capable of change. Having sowed chaos there, we discreetly replace their values ​​with false ones and force them to believe in these false values. How? We will find our like-minded people, our allies in Russia itself. Episode by episode will be played out with a grandiose scale tragedy of the death of the most rebellious people on earth, the final and irreversible fading of their self-consciousness. For example, from art and literature we will gradually erase its social essence; wean artists and writers - we will discourage them from engaging in the depiction and study of those processes that occur in the depths of the masses. Literature, theaters, cinema - everything will depict and glorify the most base human feelings. We will do our best to support and raise the so-called artists who will instill and hammer into the human mind the cult of sex, violence, sadism, betrayal - in a word, all immorality. In government, we will create chaos and confusion. We will quietly, but actively and constantly promote tyranny of officials, the prosperity of bribe takers and unscrupulousness. Bureaucracy and red tape will be elevated to virtue. Honesty and decency will be ridiculed and will not be needed by anyone, will turn into a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear of each other and shamelessness, betrayal, nationalism and enmity of peoples - first of all, enmity and hatred of the Russian people - we will cultivate all this adroitly and inconspicuously, it will bloom terry color. And only a few, very few will guess or even understand what is happening. But we will put such people in a helpless position, turn them into a laughing stock, find a way to slander them and declare them to be the scum of society. We will dig up spiritual roots, vulgarize and destroy the foundations of popular morality. We will shatter thus, generation after generation. We will take on people from childhood and youth, and we will always make the main bet ON YOUTH - we will decompose, corrupt and corrupt it. We will make cynics, vulgarities and cosmopolitans of it. This is how we do it!

Give strength to Mother Russia to combine the Earth’s data with great-grandfathers again. God bless us !!

[I am a Russian]

And the only “product” that Ukraine is able to sell to the West so far is anti-Russian hysteria. And who will benefit from the association of Ukraine with the EU? The United States, as such a move will greatly undermine the European economy. Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, which will forever get rid of Ukrainian competitors. Poland, Hungary, Romania, which will have Ukrainian slaves at their disposal.

What will the ruled country offer -
Leonid Makarovich Kravchuk, being a deeply conspiratorial agent of the OUN-UPA, having passed in youth a corresponding special training in the caches of Bandera.
Leonid Danilovich Kuchma was the most cunning: he continued the policy of breaking with Russia to the rapid roar of fanfare about the future prosperity of Ukraine.
Victor Yushchenko dioxin was taken as a laxative
Viktor Yanukovych sat in prison.

[morpogr]

I think after a year of union with the EU, when European goods fill the country, but Ukrainian ones cannot get the European standard certificate and when the last production closes and the last agriculture in the country dies, a revolution will come.

[Sour]

There will be no revolution there.
All able-bodied people scatter around the world. They already do this, and not the first year.
And pensioners and children of revolutions do not commit.
In general, it is necessary to praise the skillful work of the Kiev propaganda machine. They easily hammered into the heads of many, including non-Ukrainians, that Ukraine, by signing an association agreement with the EU, becomes a member of the European Union, albeit still "associated".
The 1992 Maastricht Treaty does not provide for any "associate membership". And now many countries have an Association Agreement with the EU - Jordan, the Palestinian Authority, Tunisia, Algeria, South Africa, Chile ...
Such an agreement provides for cooperation in the field of education, culture and science, the creation of free trade zones, a simplified border crossing regime and some other little things. But this is not a prelude to joining the EU. Or does someone think that Jordan or South Africa will someday be accepted into the EU? This is not naivety, but simply stupidity.
Brainwashed "hulks" specifically. And in Russia, many are already being led to lie about "associate membership" for Ukraine.

[EGORKA]

Quote: zmey_gadukin

Quote: EGORKA

Only theoretically, 22 years have shown that in practice you can’t. The country has been brought to the edge, so now you are not selling your sovereignty profitably, but consider surrendering the EU.

Or TS can pass sovereignty.
...

In the Customs Union there is no political attachment, only economic. If you are even afraid of this, then you are your rulers and the state are weak or these are scarecrows of modern Ukraine. It's just that Ukraine wants to sit on two chairs, watch the movie "Chasing Two Hares", very much in the subject)

[zmey_gadukin]

Quote: EGORKA

There is no political link in the CU, only an economic one.

modern global economy is not possible without a political component. Now it is clear to the baby. In fact, Russia, for the sake of its economic interests, and political ones, exerts pressure, including political, on Ukraine. Or do not agree with this?

Quote: EGORKA

If you are even afraid of this, then your rulers and state are weak

Naturally, Ukraine is weaker than Russia. Who argues with this?

Quote: EGORKA

Just Ukraine wants to sit on two chairs

It is just that Ukraine needs to go its own alternative path, and not go under geopolitical alliances.

[ork]

It is just that Ukraine needs to go its own alternative path, and not go under geopolitical alliances.
ALWAYS, I repeat ALWAYS on Mother Earth, ALL countries are under someone's protectorate.
which way should you go? 7. Offer your vision of the "alternative path". Just not fantastic.

[zmey_gadukin]

Quote: orek

ALWAYS, I repeat ALWAYS on Mother Earth, ALL countries are under someone's protectorate.
which way should you go? 7. Offer your vision of the "alternative path". Just not fantastic.

I have a counter question.
Under whose protectorate Russia, the USA, China, Switzerland, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand ... ???


Now an alternative.
If you write a script, I’m afraid I won’t meet the top ten comments put in terms of volume, but in short:
-administrative reform.
tax reform.
-federalization.
-Creation of point SEZs, with the most favorable conditions. Conditions, "sharpened" specifically for the geographical region of Ukraine.
Mass construction of infrastructure.
Destruction of kickbacks as a class. Through open online tenders.
-development of Ukraine as a powerful IT platform. There are people. There are no conditions yet ...
and much more.
If I get myself together, maybe I'll roll up an article. Maybe the admins will miss it, despite my "cons"

[Oleg Kharkov]

It’s all the same what someone always did there. We are the descendants of Kievan Rus, the Slavs. We can handle it. And we always go our own way - no wonder we all Western recipes do not work. We have nothing to do in the EU, and the CU will wait until better times. Let Brother come to his senses and become wiser - then it will be possible to talk about something. There are no involuntary unions and in unequal conditions. There are only protectorates, colonies and annexed territories. So, we are waiting.

[georg737577]

... In the CU there is no political link, only economic ...
I strongly doubt it. It is possible to trade on the basis of mutual benefit and respect without any unions. But I am afraid that without the participation of Ukraine, the CU is, in principle, a stillborn monster, because the main purpose of its creation is to establish a Russian protectorate over the former republics with the potential to create a semblance of a "new empire" led by Russia.
Ukraine's refusal to enter this space puts an end to Putin's "imperial manners".

[ork]

I have a counter-answer: We are looking for definitions of which states are independent by international standards, and not by their own feelings. Have you found? Now we compare with the actual situation (according to the laws of the given country), if it is fully suitable - independent.
Australia and New Zealand ???? You are kidding. Ф Л А Г is a symbol of a country, i.e. You have not seen him in the eye, but teach me. It is painted red in blue.
But further comments are Tolkien, the Strugatsky brothers and the rest of the fantasy workers nervously smoking aside.
Online tenders. I'm in OUT. And for the sake of completeness of the absurd with broadcasting on the main channel Have you ever taken part in online ??? You can not answer. Those who participated will never write this.
And most importantly, who are these people who are supposed to develop, implement and most importantly "specially tailored" for a specific region. Where are they, what are their names ?? And the most important thing is why they don't do it yet.
Yeah, I didn’t underestimate the mass disinformation. Get it out of your head. Grow up.

[zmey_gadukin]

You make me laugh) Well, okay. Go...

Quote: orek

I have a counter answer

In general, you are not in a position to answer a simple question. Clear. And I can answer questions with questions myself. Trolling is everything, huh?

Quote: orek

Australia and New Zealand ???? You are kidding. Ф Л А Г is a symbol of a country, i.e. You have not seen him in the eye, but teach me. It is painted red in blue.

Oh, do you still consider these states to be British colonies? School geography course to help you))

Quote: orek

Online tenders. I'm in OUT. And for the sake of completeness of the absurdity with the broadcast on the main channel, did you at least not take part in online ??? You can not answer. Those who participated will never write this.

Well, it’s immediately clear that you are one of those who, if they are holding a tender, is definitely with a retractable component. My friend, I bring to your attention that online platforms have long existed and are gaining momentum. You are simply behind the times. Sorry.
Or links are needed? I have them ... http: //zakupki-online.com/
http://www.tender.pro/
the list can be continued, just drive into the search engine. Personally, I constantly post requests to http://www.lardi-trans.com/index.jsp, tenders for trucking services.

Quote: orek

And most importantly, who are these people who are supposed to develop, implement and most importantly "specially tailored" for a specific region. Where are they, what are their names ?? And most importantly, why don't they do it yet

Yes, I myself would like to hear the answer to this question. You apparently have no assumptions.
And not people "imprisoned", but SEZ. Apparently you can't read at all?

Quote: orek

But further comments are Tolkien, the Strugatsky brothers and the rest of the fantasy workers nervously smoking aside.

Quote: orek

Yeah, I didn’t underestimate the mass disinformation. Get it out of your head. Grow up.

Yes, apparently I really underestimated you. I thought I was having a conversation with an intelligent person who was able to offer something, but in reality I turned out to be another whiner and a throat.
By the way, you saw my offers, you didn’t make your own, what can I say about this?
Wipe the snot from the monitor and offer at least something sensible. Even in words. And you can only whine and complain. And we, unlike you, not only offer, but also do.
Good luck, young lady.

[ork]

By the way, you saw my offers, you didn’t make your own, what can I say about this? Wipe the snot from the monitor and offer at least something sensible.
I asked to propose effective measures, i.e. bypassing the realm of fantasy. And such cliches as some kind of reforms, some kind of creation, etc. the textbooks are full. The most important thing was exactly the same offered by the "young reformers in the 90s", moreover, within 500 days. We got effective owners (i.e. total monopolists). As a result, in the economy, the most complete Zh O P A. So that theses in the masses.
And placing applications on online tenders is good, that's right. However, as the classic used to say, in order not to eat, there is always one thing -G ........ oh! Subscribe to UA more. Tenders. Terribly informative site. The main thing is that the more applications and subscribers, the more popular the site, i.e. more expensive advertising.
And about the screams that I "propon khabari". This is rubbish and nonsense !!! This, by the way, is a criminal offense.
You guessed. I participated in many tenders, I have my own opinion and positive experience in achieving results.

[ork]

Ukraine's refusal to enter this space puts an end to Putin's "imperial manners".
... This is already a "clinic".
The cross is placed exactly on another part of the space. And first of all on the industry of OUR "Ridnaya and Nezalezhnaya". Truly "Blessed are they who have not seen and believed"

[Setrac]

Quote: georg737577

Ukraine's refusal to enter this space puts an end to Putin's "imperial manners".

You exaggerate the importance of Ukraine for Russia.

[zmey_gadukin]

Quote: Setrac

You exaggerate the importance of Ukraine for Russia.

if so, why are there so many yelling from the Russian side?

[svp67]

Quote: zmey_gadukin

if so, why are there so many yelling from the Russian side?

They are from PAIN caused by UNDERSTANDING, why you are TRADING us ...

[zmey_gadukin]

but for God's sake, who is betraying you?

[Misantrop]

Quote: zmey_gadukin

who is betraying you?

Not us, ourselves. And their descendants ... From equal Slavs to the western litter ...

[Setrac]

Quote: zmey_gadukin

if so, why are there so many yelling from the Russian side?

Yelling? Did I miss something? While Ukraine yells.

[zmey_gadukin]

Quote: Setrac

Yelling? Did I miss something? While Ukraine yells.

Well, yes, there is a Russian website IN and almost every day an article about how good it is in the CU or that Ukraine is betraying you ... well, well ...

[Sour]

Quote: MIKHAN

Ukraine for decrepit Europe is like fresh healthy blood .. Fertile (natural resources not yet poisoned by chemistry) And what a talented people! And what kind of girls (blood with milk) are all educated with a rich centuries-old culture that has survived in spite of everything experienced by the Ukrainian people .. Europe is choking on illiterate and hungry and aggressive migrants from Africa in Asia .. You can’t give Ukraine to geyevrop they will divine this blessed land and corrupt the people (replacing their historical essence with their demonic values ​​..) That's how the brothers Slavs! I wrote what I thought .. I’m not right to live on ..

Come on, what kind of "fresh blood for a decrepit Europe" is there ... don't make people laugh. Even if Ukraine is admitted to the EU, it will take the 21st place in terms of birth rate. It is lower in Ukraine than the average for the European Union. In the post-Soviet space, Ukraine takes the penultimate place in fertility, ahead only of Lithuania.
Europe is suffocating from illiterate and hungry and aggressive migrants from Asia Africa ..
Strongly said. Are there few migrants from the "Square" there? When was the last time you were in Europe?

[Corsair]

Quote: Sour

Even if Ukraine is admitted to the EU, then it will occupy the 21-th birth place there. It is lower in Ukraine than the EU average. In the post-Soviet space, Ukraine has the penultimate place in fertility, ahead of only Lithuania.

So SO in the middle of 60x in the West, the Soviet threat was perceived (commentary on the poster)
: In the USSR, every minute 10 citizens are born ...

[Drosselmeyer]

The author of the article does not really understand what he is writing about. Ukraine is not taken to the EU. So far, only associate membership has been established, and as Kisly wrote correctly, even African countries have such a status.
By the way, in Ukraine, no one will really explain to you what association with the EU or membership in the CU gives. Everything is reduced to primitivism: with Russia against the West, or with Europe against Asia. And that's it, no analytics, discussions, etc.
By the way, the author is crying in vain about Motor Sich. Russia will sooner or later stop buying engines from them as soon as it has mastered the required number of its own. The salvation of this enterprise in the future is the creation of a competitive Ukrainian-made helicopter. But this is from the realm of fantasy.

[mazepa]

Maybe you really can’t understand what an association is and what it gives? Do not speak for everyone. I know very well what to expect from the association. It's almost the same as moving to another school in a stronger class, it will be difficult at first, but in the end you win, it all depends on the people, if you deserve it, it will be fine. Now our people clearly do not deserve it, we do not have the aspiration that the Poles had with Lech Walenz. People think primitively, and the older, the more primitive. Hope only for pragmatic youth.

[Drosselmeyer]

Quote: mazepa

Maybe you really can’t understand what an association is and what it gives? Do not speak for everyone. I know very well what to expect from the association. It's almost the same as moving to another school in a stronger class, it will be difficult at first, but in the end you win, it all depends on the people, if you deserve it, it will be fine. Now our people clearly do not deserve it, we do not have the aspiration that the Poles had with Lech Walenz. People think primitively, and the older, the more primitive. Hope only for pragmatic youth.

Well, that's what I said, And you are blah blah blah: another school class, everything will be fine, Lech Walesa, etc. I would like to see an analysis with numbers and calculations, what we lose, what we gain in money. And I’ve been listening to such speeches as your post for 20 years.

[ork]

dear Drosselmeyer. Are you serious about the rescue of Motor Sich ???? the creation of any competitive technology, especially avionics, is at least ten years. Taking into account the availability of MONEY, the concept of development, components, sales markets (i.e. what end consumer it will be designed for) and a lot of additional conditions. And all this period what to do.? Wait for investments from European concerns ???? so they won't. All aviation developments are the merit of the Soviet period (by the way, the situation is the same in Russia). There will be no competitive technology - N I K O G D A. They will not be allowed to create it. it was not for this that Ukraine was torn away from a single space - the USSR. It's time to understand this and not build illusions.

[zmey_gadukin]

Do not make me laugh.
I don’t know how avionics is, not special. But in mechanical engineering, ITS own developments are completely lacking, which do not have world analogues. Or having, but terribly expensive.

[ork]

I didn’t meet any queues for their purchase and service orders. What industries are they from? scope of their application.

[Oleg Kharkov]

With the aircraft industry, too, everything is in order. Maybe we recall who recently set the world record for climbing to a height of 9150 m? Isn't Motor Sich accidentally with its new engine?

[Drosselmeyer]

No, well, I wrote that this is from the realm of fiction.

[ork]

And the coordinates of the factories, these miracles - machines (which do not have world analogues) that produce, do not tell me ??? Or is it just development, i.e. on paper?? Although this is fantastic.

[Kars]

It’s boring))) there are only five articles about Ukraine on the Military Review website. And even for the sake of decency, the army was not remembered. Everything is the same. But such attention even flatters.

better tell me what is there Stalingada Prime Minister how was it?

[Sour]

Bondarchuk’s film, so I didn’t watch it and I won’t watch it. Bondarchuk does not make good films. And even the medium does not take off. Only slag.

[Nuar]

Quote: Sour

0-year-old Efremov in the role of demobilization, then I liked "Stormy Gates" more, a more lively film and not a computer

but what about "They fought for the Motherland"?

Quote: Kars

better tell me what is there Stalingada Prime Minister how was it?

better tell me how to deal with the administration. I, too, have been assigned a number and absolutely undeservedly

[Mhpv]

Quote: Kars

better tell me what is there Stalingada Prime Minister how was it?

I didn’t go, but something tells me that there is more noise than the film. I didn’t watch the same promoted “9th company” as I saw almost 40-year-old Efremov in the role of demobilization, then I liked “Stormy Gates” more, more lively film and not computer graphics. In general, Bondarchuk, like Mikhalkov, is an amateur.

[catapractic]

this film can be safely called- House, because there is only a house, and Stalingrad is not there, it can only be in the beginning, the impression is that this is a performance in a theater with elements of action in 3D

[Sour]

European Commission: "Associate membership in the EU" does not exist
"In relation to the EU, a separate country can be either a member, or non-member, or an active or potential candidate for accession." A state cannot be an associated member of the EU, "the European Commission representative stressed.
Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/1136985.html#ixzz2hPOLTX51

[Altona]

In general, there is nothing to say ... Any WTO and SEZ of the EU are benefits to raw materials capital ... And so, laugh, a little funny picture ...

[AndreyAB]

Yes, all sorts of Europe, the WTO and the EEC, and so on, and the nationalist ones drive the sheep on the outskirts for slaughter, but they are happy!

[Proud.]

Quote: Altona

.And so, laugh, a little funny picture ...

Well, yes ... A small funny picture, with an insulting hint. And not towards the WTO and Europe. Not funny.

[Corsair]

Quote: Altona

.And so, laugh, a little funny picture ...

Clearly WHAT country and WHICH leader are associated with this poster ...
And the state of Ukraine did not think about "giving back", allowing itself or structures within the state, such attacks?

[Sour]

Quote: zmey_gadukin

It is just that Ukraine needs to go its own alternative path, and not go under geopolitical alliances.

There are not so many independent players in the international arena. Even in the GXNUMX, not everyone is.
National sovereignty is like a bar for a weightlifter. Or push this bar and earn recognition. If they don’t love, they will at least be afraid.
But this is on condition that you do not tear yourself up at the push. Nobody is afraid of overtaking.
Or do not push, drop the bar from the hands. Then no one will love, respect, nor be afraid. They will laugh. And then, if you suddenly remember on occasion. They may not remember.

[Sergey Medvedev]

so that the water area of ​​the Ukrainian part of the Black Sea, subsequently, is available for the NATO fleet and the UN “peacekeepers”.

Both on! Already scheduled to enter peacekeepers !!! What conflict is already planned? Where? In Crimea?

[T-73]

Who needs Ukraine in Europe? Break the ties with Russia to the end and make it a consumer (first) and then raw materials appendage. Most likely this will lead to the collapse of the country. So collected from Ukraine, Crimea and the western regions most likely it will fall into these regions. I do not believe that the Slavs will want to walk under the boot of Germany and its mongrel. The genes are not the same.

[saag]

I dare to assume how everything will come later, so that there is an example, so metallurgy will go to the Hindus, hydrocarbons to the Americans and the EU, the atomic topic will go to the Russian Federation coal may be Ukraine with the participation of the Russian Federation, black soil - China, Sevastopol - the Russian Federation, the rest is not

[Corsair]

Quote: saag

the rest is independent

"Zero point - * uh tenths?

[AndreyAB]

Yes, the choice is not great, to be the Outskirts or surrender it to the enemies of the Slavic clan and the unity of the outskirts of Russia, to think that a territory with an artificial language and common Russa will be preserved intact, naive, The outskirts will be torn to shreds and industry and culture of the khan, first of all cultures have always been equal to America. Screams all nat. Lvov’s Bosota about the nationality of Okrainskaya, which is not it, Pshekova’s lizards and Okraintsy’s slaughter behind them, like rams behind a goat’s provocator to the slaughter, and then save the Rusich brothers, and it will be so! God help them ....

[Shesternyack]

I recalled the old Japanese view of Russian relations with Ukraine and Belarus.

[kind]

If a woman decides to surrender herself to someone, then she will definitely surrender, but it will be good for her afterwards or she does not think badly. Then there will be tears: - "I believed him, but he used me and left me."

[Misantrop]

Quote: Good

If a woman decided to surrender to someone

Yes, it’s not a woman who decided, just a pimp urgently needs money. So I'm ready to put it under anyone ...

[Corsair]

Quote: Misantrop

Yes, it’s not a woman who decided, just a pimp urgently needs money. So I'm ready to put it under anyone ...

Drunk woman, her P *** E is not a mistress
And after that, the pimps are already "pulling up" ...

[Alexeymiller]

With the entry into the European Union, Ukraine will come to a residual end in all senses (political, economic. And social). Also, this damned Verkhovna "damn her" is glad to accept the amendment to the Constitution on free circulation of land and poverty and unemployment will rise to a terrifying level!

[Altona]

The free circulation of the land is already feudalism in its purest form ...

[GUSAR]

The phrase "Ukraine can join the European Union" - personally makes me laugh and nothing more, well, someone believes in it, of course, let it be - for someone a dream, for someone a horror story, but in fact not like ... them, let them enter wherever they want, they will come to Russia to beg ...

[T-73]

and what kind of joy from begging Ukraine? Is not a strong and independent friend better?

[Sour]

Quote: Altona

The free circulation of the land is already feudalism in its purest form ...

In Russia, more and more politicians favor the abolition of private ownership of land. And it is far not only communists.
Today, State Duma deputy from the fraction of "United Russia" - Pavel Zavalny said that Russia does not need private ownership of land, reports RBC. Landowners today have too many rights and hamper the development of business in the country, and as a result worsen the investment climate and budget revenues.
Some deputies of the State Duma are sure that the rate of ownership of land should be abolished.
PAVEL ZAVALNY, DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE ON ENERGY OF THE DG RF
November 2012 years
And here is what V.I. said Lenin, who can hardly be called a supporter of a market economy and free enterprise:
“Capitalism is developing wider, freer and faster with the complete abolition of all private ownership of land”
His words, yes to the ears of our deputies and ministers.
----------------
Personally from myself.
I have always been a supporter of the private entrepreneurial economy, an opponent of socialism and communism. And at the same time he has always been an opponent of private ownership of land. For a normal, healthy development of a market economy, private ownership of land is not needed. Then Lenin was absolutely right.

[ork]

Quote: Sour

Personally from myself.
I have always been a supporter of the private entrepreneurial economy, an opponent of socialism and communism. And at the same time he has always been an opponent of private ownership of land. For a normal, healthy development of a market economy, private ownership of land is not needed. Then Lenin was absolutely right.

I apologize, but what will they give loans for the development of the agrarian? Under the technique of the farmer, so she is already leased. Under the future harvest ?? then it is necessary to adopt a lot of laws on the functioning of exchanges, specialists i.e. completely change the system. And they (banks) need it ??
Comrade Ulyanov said a lot of things. Volumes on one shelf did not fit. By the way, just like a version: About Vladimir Ulyanov’s great-grandfather, Itsko Blanca, the information is very stingy. It is known that he was a subject of the Commonwealth, lived in Starokonstantinov. I had my own house owned land.
A person is not interested in maintaining and respecting any form of ownership, if it is not his, i.e. private. If the wording of private property is not acceptable to you (propaganda has spoiled the essence of this term) - I suggest the wording of the clan. Agree more acceptable.

[Arkan]

Surprisingly, no one even considers the option that the country will be able to build its future on its own, maintaining friendly relations and mutually beneficial relations with both its eastern neighbor and the western community.

"It's a pity - to live in this wonderful time
I don’t have to - neither to me nor to you. "

[ork]

There is no cross for you. Russia for Ukraine (from your submission) is just a neighbor.
God ... what’s there ... I’m your child, unreasonable, half-blind,
Chilly leaf, unbroken candle flame.
Make me always be honest with you, with people and with myself,
And do not leave, save, reason, teach ...
They do not consider it because "maintaining friendly ties and mutually beneficial relations with both the eastern neighbor and the western community" is possible only in one case - by leading these communities. What is not visible at this stage. And I'm still a pacifist.

[Glory333]

Some commissioner from the EU was shown on TV and he did not hesitate to say that joining the EU would lead to economic growth in Ukraine of +6% annually - “He’s lying and he knows that he’s lying” (c) as V.V. Putin said recently.

[Piterkras]

The main thing is to fool the population of Ukraine before signing the agreement. And after signing it will be too late.

[Grandson of Veteran]

Quote: sergey32

And Europe will get a white cheap meek resident guest workers who will not wear a hijab, build mosques, burn cars.

There will be no hijab. But as for burning cars.....Russians and Ukrainians are covered in the same world. And everyone knows how we, Russians, can rebel. I propose not to interfere with Ukraine’s accession to the EU - in five years, the brothers will burn half a geyrop, just like that, when they realize that they have been... deceived... Then we will return to discussing this topic!

[Puler]

The prospect of joining a gayropa...is attractive either to a fool or to a businessman...

[catapractic]

let them go to the west, there are just not enough laborers, dishwashers and cheap prostitutes

[vladek64]

What is the article about? For which reader?

[D_L]

Ukrainians are a people with brains, but the country's leadership is apparently lame in its head.

[catapractic]

An old joke - a German, a Turk (Arab, Negro...underline as appropriate) and a Pole spend time in a brothel. A German fucks a prostitute, a Turk (Arab, black...underline as appropriate) cleans up after a German, and a Pole meets his wife from work. Let's replace pshek with a and get the result Ukraine - EU.
In fairness, it must be said that if the liberals from the EU do not change the laws, then the Turks (Arab, Negro... underline as appropriate) will fuck the German, the Pole and their wives together.

[Vasily Klopkov]

Only the Customs Union will save Ukraine from economic collapse! It would be better to simply join Russia on the basis of autonomy. It will be calmer that way.

[amaton]

Quote: Corneli

Quote: teleset

And who of the Ukrainians at all saw this agreement with the EU on a free trade zone? I think not, I suspect that I won’t. Because after reading it all Ukrainians will immediately grab onto the valerian. Yes, it’s enough to read it and it will become clear who wins and who loses.

I saw and read, and for a long time ... He is in the public domain
http://comeuroint.rada.gov.ua/komevroint/doccatalog/document?id=56219
To the Ukrainian. True, I didn’t look in Russian) It’s, in principle, not very big, it’s quite possible to read, all the more there are a lot of common phrases and repetitions.
To be honest, I don’t think that it is radically different from the FTA CIS treaties, for example.

Very very different. I read it too. In the agreement with the EU, you also need to look at the addendums and not just look, but count...for example, addendum A is an indicative set of tariff quotas for imports into the EU; Appendix B - an indicative set of tariff quotas for imports to Ukraine; - the balance is not in our favor. Clause I-B to Chapter 1 - additional conditions for trade in used clothing, which states that Ukraine should reduce duties on European second-hand goods to 0%; which shows the EU needs us. The agreement with the EU specifies the mandatory implementation of their standards... in general, we are preparing to eat GMOs. Well, yes, GMOs are garbage, we’ll get used to it like cockroaches, but to convert a railway from 1520mm to 1435mm gauge according to the EU standard, how much money is needed...Ukraine’s railway is at least 30000 km of main highways...and these are direct costs for Ukraine. Europe won't finance a damn thing. And there is a lot of similar crap in that agreement and its amendments. And I also read the code of countries participating in the CU and I can say that if you compare only the numbers, then Ukraine will actually benefit from the CU. We take the calculator in our hands and count.

Thanks for your attention.