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Russia gives money to Ukraine and reduces the price of gas: reality or a hoax?

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Historyclose to the detective, manifests itself in these days. The plot of this story frantically revolves around the situation with unexpected financial assistance that Russia decided to provide to Ukraine after the leadership of the latter finally confirmed the course towards European integration - to sign an association agreement with the European Union. The first part of the assistance was expressed in granting Ukraine a loan in the amount of 750 million dollars allocated by Russian banks, as the Russian president put it, not without his knowledge. The second part is a significant reduction in the price of gas, which Ukraine pumps into its underground storage facilities to ensure uninterrupted supply of “blue” fuel to Europe. The help, it seems, is evident, as is evident, again, it seems, and the desire of the Russian leadership to level out the friction with the Ukrainian leadership. However, not everyone is sure that this is a real help to Ukraine, and they are not particularly sure of this (on) (as you like ...) Ukraine itself. This is a difficult question. We will try to get to know him better and understand.


Russia gives money to Ukraine and reduces the price of gas: reality or a hoax?


So, about two weeks ago, Russian banks, as it turned out, with the help of Vladimir Putin, decided to send $ 750 million to Ukraine. Why? Sergey Glazyev, an adviser to the president of Russia on regional economic integration issues (by the way, born in the Ukrainian SSR), responded to this question immediately after the “decision by the banks”. He noted that Ukraine has an impressive balance of payments deficit (about 10 billion dollars), and already today is experiencing significant difficulties in meeting its debt obligations to international creditors. These lenders today are less and less willing to give money to Ukraine, and if they do, then they raise the interest. The reason is a lowering of the credit rating of both individual companies and banks of Ukraine, as well as of the entire state (state economic system).
Despite the fact that all these rating increases and reductions often look like speculative moves of interested agencies, however, Ukraine is no better because the money was not so easy to give ... According to Glazyev, the Russian loan will allow the official Kiev to settle with other loans (loans that Ukraine received from international organizations) interest. And the fact that the credit ratings of the main Ukrainian enterprises and banks remained at the same level indicates that Russian money has ripened (on time).

Much more confusing is the story of the decline in gas prices. Vladimir Putin, at the APEC summit on Bali, said that Gazprom, again not without regard to the opinion of the Russian leadership, reduced the price of gas intended for underground storage facilities for Ukraine from $ 380-390 per thousand cubic meters to $ 260 for the same volume. The discount, indeed, looks more than substantial, but after such a step by the Russian leadership, Viktor Fedorovich is still not in a hurry to kiss Vladimir Vladimirovich. The reason for this “slow pace” may be that the gas discount directly touched Ukraine a little. The fact is that Gazprom sells gas first to companies with the remarkable name RosUkrEnergo, and then this company resells it to NaftoGaz (Naftagaz) in Ukraine. That is why many politicians, political scientists and ordinary citizens living on the territory of Ukraine were skeptical about the words of the Russian president that Gazprom reduced the price of gas specifically for Ukraine.

Let's return to RosUkrEnergo. This company was created in 2004, with a registered capital of just 35 thousand dollars (not the most impressive amount for a company that, in its best years, purchased 60 billion cubic meters of natural gas per year from Russia alone). The co-owners of the company, which is also noteworthy, are Gazprombank and Centragas Holding (Austria), and the company itself is registered in Switzerland. Co-owners of the “Austrian” part of the “Swiss” company are businessmen from Ukraine, the most famous of which is Dmitry Firtash, who just a week ago Viktor Yanukovych appointed a member of the State Commission for Cooperation with the WTO.

It turns out that the Russian company Gazprom lowered the prices for gas supplies for the company, 50% of which belong to Gazprombank - this time, for a company that itself resells Russian gas in Ukraine at convenient prices for itself, these are two. In other words, reducing the price of Gazprom gas to 260 dollars does not guarantee that it will be sold at the same price for the UGS of Ukraine. Of course, it does not guarantee only if Vladimir Putin did not oblige RosUkrGaz to use its administrative resources available to him (Putin’s) to moderate their appetites.
If obliged, then the discount will really work for Ukraine. And if not, then all the cards go into the hands of Dmitry Firtash, and he, in fact, is free to set any other price for the unexpectedly cheap Russian gas for his company. Now we need to expect information on what, and at what price, RosUkrEnergo, which procures today from Gazprom up to 17 billion cubic meters of blue fuel, will sell gas further. If the price increases significantly, it turns out that the concerns of the Ukrainian side were indeed unfounded, and the appointment by Yanukovich of Dmitry Firtash as a representative for contacts with the WTO will finally demonstrate the weakness of the Ukrainian president ...

If we distract from who and to whom it sells gas at a low price (as part of the material), another question comes to the surface: why did Vladimir Putin decide to make certain concessions (if these are really concessions)?
Obviously, the desire is one thing: as they say, a small “blood”, that is, rather small expenses, seem to the Ukrainian leadership that the ends have not yet been cut off, and that the chances of rapprochement remain. This is like a kind of demonstration of how it can be convenient and comfortable to integrate with Russia, and not with the EU, again, if gas prices ultimately really go down. If the Ukrainian leadership feels the real results of Russian easing, then targeting the course of rapprochement with the EU will simply be beyond common sense. If gas games are just games, then Yanukovych will only have an additional reason to accuse the Russian authorities of trade mystifications.
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  1. Lech from our city
    Lech from our city 11 October 2013 08: 51 New
    +9
    Yanukovych sat backwards on our budget - it won't be enough for him that something else will require, we are waiting for the continuation of the series called Russian Gas and KO "
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 11 October 2013 09: 42 New
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      Khrushchev gave Ukraine Crimea, so he has them now. Tymoshenko agreed on such a price, so an agreement is more expensive than money, pay. Why turn on the back? Then return Crimea, for that matter. And then, you must, we don’t need, we won’t, we won’t ... like small children.
      1. Canep
        Canep 11 October 2013 09: 46 New
        10
        It seems that Putin has some kind of plan for the corral of Ukraine in the vehicle. This reduction in gas prices (albeit fictitious) and a credit transfer seem to be part of this plan.
        1. experienced
          experienced 11 October 2013 10: 16 New
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          Bugaga, I don’t know who they gave the money to, but gas discount was given not to Ukraine, but to Firtash... One can suspect that Putin is laying an "oligarchic mine" under Yanukovych, but it seems to me that this is a common scam ... Firtash was sold cheap, he will sell at a normal price, the margin is divided between the "involved." At one time, they also twisted money for gas through intermediary firms ...
          Putin has few Russian oligarchs, he decided to "tame" the Ukrainian winked
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 11 October 2013 10: 39 New
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            Quote: seasoned
            Putin has few Russian oligarchs, he decided to "tame" the Ukrainian

            That's what it is :
            Quote: Canep
            It seems that Putin has some kind of plan for the corral of Ukraine in the vehicle

            The endless cut continues and the end-edge is not visible.
            1. DMavr
              DMavr 11 October 2013 11: 45 New
              0
              Russia gives money to Ukraine and reduces the price of gas: reality or a hoax?
              Everything is very simple. The carrot and stick are called. Now the choice is the Ukrainian elite.
              1. Dart weyder
                Dart weyder 11 October 2013 12: 18 New
                +3
                Yes, it seems to me that the Ukrainian elite (money suckers) will soon tear people apart, everything is probably easier - Russia threw off the price of gas, and accordingly, as always, as far as I can remember, when lowering the price of gas, they never reduced it for the population - they just raised it; play, all the more there is a contradiction with the association between the people and the government, and there’s also a brazen robbery of the population around the president, the main thing is to tell people why, with a rather significant discount on gas, people will pay the same, if not a big fee, and say the money in his pocket lays down - and gut-by the EU and the Government of hi
              2. morpex
                morpex 11 October 2013 20: 32 New
                +2
                Quote: DMavr
                Now the choice is the Ukrainian elite.

                Who do you call the Ukrainian elite? These freaks who are in power? Those who rule the country in terms of?
                1. zvereok
                  zvereok 11 October 2013 23: 23 New
                  +2
                  Quote: morpex
                  Who do you call the Ukrainian elite? These freaks who are in power? Those who rule the country in terms of?


                  Uh? and how do they differ from ours, except for limited resources?

                  I really want someone to ask Putin at his press conference one simple question: "V.V. You probably know that the state system that has been established in the country is called the Oligarchy? Yes, you built it yourself. Now answer how Do we, the simple serf electorate, live with this? Thank you. " Well, or something like that.
                  1. DMavr
                    DMavr 12 October 2013 02: 14 New
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                    I really want someone to ask Putin at his press conference one simple question: "V.V. You probably know that the state system that has been established in the country is called the Oligarchy? Yes, you built it yourself. Now answer how Do we, the simple serf electorate, live with this? Thank you. " Well, or something like that.

                    The heyday of the oligarchy came from 1993 to 2003. Then, for some reason, very "zealous" oligarchs fled the country. Why would you? "Not zealous" quietly finance "swamp" (already a known fact). Do they really do it out of great love for power. So who built the oligarchy? And to whom, in fact, your question should be addressed. Well, certainly not for Putin. You can address your question to Nemtsov, Chubais, Kasyanov, Berezovsky (now deceased). They are active reformers and employees of the Russian government in the 90s and the beginning of the XNUMXs.
                2. DMavr
                  DMavr 12 October 2013 01: 47 New
                  0
                  Who do you call the Ukrainian elite? These freaks who are in power? Those who rule the country in terms of?
                  Yes, these freaks are in power. Which should determine the orientation of Ukraine, geyropa or not.
            2. Sadikoff
              Sadikoff 12 October 2013 06: 20 New
              -1
              To rule and not to go under the Rothschilds or Rockefellers, one must be at the level. Otherwise, as Yanukovych sold for 10-15 million, giving the country back.
          2. Botanologist
            Botanologist 11 October 2013 22: 36 New
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            Quote: seasoned
            but it seems to me that this is an ordinary scam ...


            Think fine. Why should Putin cut money that already had him? They just buy Ukraine (I wrote it off above). The task of Yanukovych is to please the new owners. Let's see how to handle it.
        2. Skiff-2
          Skiff-2 11 October 2013 20: 08 New
          +4
          Quote: Canep
          Canep SU Today, 09: 46 ↑

          It seems that Putin has some kind of plan for the corral of Ukraine in the vehicle. This reduction in gas prices (albeit fictitious) and a credit transfer seem to be part of this plan.

          But it seems that this plan is starting to work. The Ukrainian parliamentary delegation did not appear in Brussels for negotiations - the European Commission gathered, they wait, but did not come ... and did not notify ... and did not answer by phone - they scored (?). I really want to believe that so, I really want to reunite a single state, especially since India and Vietnam have seriously submitted an application to the Customs Union, and Iran is going to trade oil for Russian rubles.
          1. mirag2
            mirag2 12 October 2013 06: 16 New
            0
            What rubles? If Iran starts trading oil for rubles, the states will begin to tear it apart without Jewish insistence.
          2. APASUS
            APASUS 13 October 2013 14: 40 New
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            Quote: Skif-2
            But it seems that this plan is starting to work. The Ukrainian parliamentary delegation did not appear in Brussels for negotiations - the European Commission gathered, they wait, but did not arrive ... and did not notify ... and did not answer by phone - they scored (?)

            You are too naive to believe that Firtash and Co. sold themselves to Putin for a couple of lard greens. It’s just that people in Rada still share places who will go to Brussels.
            Knowing the appetites of our oligarchs, I can say - not enough for a new yacht
        3. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 12 October 2013 10: 02 New
          0
          Quote: Canep
          It seems that Putin has some kind of plan for the corral of Ukraine in the vehicle. This reduction in gas prices (albeit fictitious) and a credit transfer seem to be part of this plan.

          There is no secret plan .a specific proposals that are recorded in the agreement on the vehicle. There are domestic gas prices and credit facilities, and they are all not fictitious, but the most that are real.
      2. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 12 October 2013 10: 01 New
        0
        Quote: mirag2
        Khrushchev gave Ukraine Crimea, so he has them now. Tymoshenko agreed on such a price, so an agreement is more expensive than money, pay. Why turn on the back? Then return Crimea, for that matter. And then, you must, we don’t need, we won’t, we won’t ... like small children.

        This is the next step. Moreover, there are also legal grounds in this case. Association with the countries included in the NATO bloc directly contradicts the "great friendship" agreement, within the framework of which Crimea was transferred to Ukraine.
        Even when he was mayor of Moscow, someone Luzhkov spoke out about this. I was very upset that the disgraced mayor had gone to Austria to graze cows, instead of going to the mayors of Sevastopol. There would be more sense for everyone.
        1. TAGIR
          TAGIR 22 October 2013 07: 53 New
          0
          the agreement "on great friendship", within the framework of which Crimea was transferred to Ukraine.
          I’ll clarify: under the agreement, we were talking about the Black Sea Fleet and Sevastopol. But Luzhkov now lives and works in the Kaliningrad region ...
    2. Botanologist
      Botanologist 11 October 2013 22: 34 New
      -1
      there is only one desire: as they say, with a little "blood", that is, rather low costs, it seems to the Ukrainian leadership that the ends have not been chopped off yet, and that there are still chances for rapprochement.

      Completely wrong conclusions.
      Just recapitalization of Ukraine is going on (for a simple reason - the country is being resold to Putin). Therefore, they replace the debts to the EU with debts to Russia and give Firtash money so that he quietly buys up everything that interests the Russian leadership. It seems that the song is sung, agreed on everything.
    3. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 12 October 2013 09: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Lech from our city
      Yanukovych sat backwards on our budget - it won't be enough for him that something else will require, we are waiting for the continuation of the series called Russian Gas and KO "

      This is not a handout from Moscow, but preventive measures. According to forecasts of methiorologists of all countries, this winter will be one of the coldest in recent decades. Ukraine will sign an association agreement and Russia will introduce border barriers. All this will bring down the Ukrainian economy and it will be unable to pay for gas supplies, however, difficult weather conditions will require more gas for normal heating of premises, both in Ukraine and in Europe. And as usual, the Ukrainians will begin to steal Russian gas, claiming that this volume is used for "technical needs." It is for this that Russia supplied an additional volume (which, in fact, Ukraine itself should purchase and pump into its storage facilities), in order to show the groundlessness of all Ukraine's statements in due time.

      I think that the leadership of the Russian Federation has long understood how the situation with the wandering of Ukraine will end and is actively preparing for the next round.
  2. Bongo
    Bongo 11 October 2013 08: 53 New
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    It is surprising that the decline in energy prices for foreign consumers, despite the fact that in Russia itself prices are only rising.
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 11 October 2013 09: 57 New
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      It's simple, the South Stream has not yet been built, dependence on Ukrainian transit remains. Now you can’t pump gas into the underground gas storage facility; in winter Europe will not be enough. There will be more losses, and a squeal will be ...
    2. 31231
      31231 11 October 2013 10: 24 New
      +3
      Why was gas the most expensive for Ukraine ?! Because Ukraine paid for it with gas transportation services. And these services were oh not so cheap.
      1. roial
        roial 11 October 2013 11: 31 New
        +2
        Yes??? And I thought about a separate agreement on transit.
        1. 31231
          31231 11 October 2013 12: 47 New
          +1
          Good analysis for gas "tera".
          http://voprosik.net/ukraina-i-gaz-podrobno/
  3. ale-x
    ale-x 11 October 2013 08: 55 New
    +4
    YES, think, the citizens of the Russian Federation will pay the difference ....
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  4. mirag2
    mirag2 11 October 2013 08: 59 New
    +1
    Well, how can one not fuss here, if you see such games of Ukraine with the naked eye.
    Or they hold you for a fool, or judge by themselves ...
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 11 October 2013 09: 56 New
      +6
      Who holds someone for a fool. Everything is very simple. They made it possible for the intermediary (speculator) to wind the broth to sky-high heights. Gazprom sells RosUkrEnergo (it can even give away for free) gas, i.e. Russian-Ukrainian speculators elevated to the law and protected by the authorities, who resell to sky-high prices Naftogaz, which sets prices for the consumer as no offense. It is not Russia that wins from this scheme, it loses. Russian speculators win. But who is the main one in Russia?
      1. 3030
        3030 11 October 2013 11: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        It is not Russia that wins from this scheme, it loses. Russian speculators win. But who is the main in Russia?

        Yes you went. Monomakh’s hat, which is so important in Russia, is not a pity, for he himself made no less than Monomakh in his time. The white-tape worms of Monomakh’s hat haunt you no matter how I look. All keep the cattle thief yelling stealing, and trying on a hat, it’s not Senka’s head for you!
        1. old man54
          old man54 11 October 2013 18: 00 New
          0
          Quote: 3030
          Monomakh’s hat, which is so important in Russia, is not a pity, for he himself made no less than Monomakh in his time. The white-tape worms of Monomakh’s hat haunt you no matter how I look.

          Oh, how many more fools then walks around our sinful land !!! request And sklko specific bastards and idiots, eh, "3030" ??? When are you going to waste it all at once, huh?
          Quote: 3030
          All keep the cattle thief yelling stealing, and trying on a hat, it’s not Senka’s head for you!

          This is an ov you said to yourself, right to the point, and about those like you and those in front of whom you are gearing at the bucket. wink hi
          1. zvereok
            zvereok 11 October 2013 23: 31 New
            +2
            Quote: old man54
            Oh, how many more fools are walking on our sinful land !!! request And sklko specific bastards and idiots, eh, "3030" ??? When are you going to waste it all at once, huh?


            There was such a prediction, I do not remember whose. When the fools in Russia are transferred, Russia will perish.
  5. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 11 October 2013 09: 02 New
    +2
    If the Ukrainian leadership feels the real results of Russian concessions, then focusing on a course of rapprochement with the EU will simply be beyond common sense. If gas games are just games, then the same Yanukovych will have only an additional reason to accuse the Russian authorities of trade "hoaxes".

    Just like in the old movie "Aladdin's Magic Lamp": "About a dream to say that it is not a dream, but about not a dream, to say that it is a dream."
    But in essence, of course, I want to believe in the sincerity of the intentions of the initiators of these preferences, and what we will see. What to guess something.
  6. os9165
    os9165 11 October 2013 09: 03 New
    11
    Our path to survival as a country is a departure from the colony of the Western world and integration with Ukraine and Belarus.
  7. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 11 October 2013 09: 08 New
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    Firstly, it’s wonderful, Ukraine will pay for our gas with our own money, secondly, we certainly need Ukraine, but at a time when the whole Far East is in trouble, it’s strange to somehow give money to another country, and to beg for help from the population by SMS countries, thirdly, gas sales prices are declining, but inside the country gas is getting more expensive, well, something like that !?
  8. SvetoRus
    SvetoRus 11 October 2013 09: 10 New
    +4
    This is like a kind of demonstration of how it can be conveniently and comfortably integrated with Russia, and not with the EU

    Too late, Yanukovych has already bitten a bit ...
  9. leon-iv
    leon-iv 11 October 2013 09: 11 New
    13
    Once again I am convinced that Putin is a master of lengthy political multi-ways.
    IMHO we are waiting for the circus with the EEC.
  10. RUSS
    RUSS 11 October 2013 09: 14 New
    13
    It would be better if our countryside was gasified!
    1. don.kryyuger
      don.kryyuger 11 October 2013 11: 32 New
      +4
      What for? There are a lot of forests in Russia, they will heat wood.
  11. anip
    anip 11 October 2013 09: 19 New
    +4
    So, about two weeks ago, Russian banks, as it turned out, not without the help of Vladimir Putin, decided to send Ukraine $ 750 million. Why? To this question immediately after the "decision-making by the banks" was answered by the adviser to the president of Russia on regional economic integration Sergei Glazyev (incidentally, a native of the Ukrainian SSR). He noted that Ukraine has an impressive balance of payments deficit (about $ 10 billion), and already today it is experiencing significant difficulties in meeting its debt obligations to international creditors.

    Why give money to someone who can’t pay, thereby helping one lender, while increasing the amount themselves, which is unlikely to be repayable?

    If we distract from who and to whom it sells gas at a low price (as part of the material), another question comes to the surface: why did Vladimir Putin decide to make certain concessions (if these are really concessions)?
    Obviously, there is only one desire: as they say, with a little "blood", that is, rather low costs, it seems to the Ukrainian leadership that the ends have not been chopped off yet, and that there are still chances for rapprochement. This is like a kind of demonstration of how it can be conveniently and conveniently integrated with Russia, and not with the EU, again, if gas prices ultimately decline.

    WHAT FOR??? Why lower prices ??? Well, they want in the EU, a flag in hand. And everything else is business and nothing personal.
  12. Gennady1973
    Gennady1973 11 October 2013 09: 28 New
    +9
    Good girl on the photo!
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 11 October 2013 10: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: Gennady1973
      Good girl on the photo!

      Yes, the girl on the pipe is good, damn it!
  13. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 11 October 2013 09: 35 New
    +2
    Or maybe the last Chinese ..."If the Ukrainian leadership perceives the real results of Russian indulgences, then aiming at a course of rapprochement with the EU will simply be beyond common sense."- it’s not long for us to raise the price if that ...
  14. Mhpv
    Mhpv 11 October 2013 09: 49 New
    +9
    Well, just like in the cartoon "Last year's snow was falling" "will not be enough."
    Many Ukrainian citizens have long been complaining that Russia just to crush them with gas, and if you don’t give them a discount, the price will not go down for the population anyway. It (gas) will only go up for the Russian population, and you need to earn gas to earn gas, and even heated to the fullest.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 11 October 2013 23: 37 New
      +1
      My aunt came from Kiev last year, and so - the gas was turned off at home and the heating was turned on from electricity, it’s cheaper ... She said how much they pay for the apartment, I went nuts - half as much as I, with twice as much area . True, their salaries are appropriate.
  15. Orik
    Orik 11 October 2013 09: 50 New
    0
    I, too, was surprised after the statement, it does not look like our guarantor.
  16. The gentleman
    The gentleman 11 October 2013 10: 20 New
    +4
    carrot policy. I wonder if the Ukrainian leadership does not understand that they will not always succeed in milking, what will they do? After all, no one has canceled the whip policy either, and at the moment, I am sure, the Russian Federation is still laying softly, but what will happen when the gas is cut off? Europe will not help , she doesn't need it. And if Ukraine positions itself as an independent state, then it should behave accordingly. otherwise it turns out "and we will go north, and we will go south"
  17. godun
    godun 11 October 2013 10: 20 New
    +8
    "A lot of things are happening here, beyond the control of the mind ..." Apparently, the elite of Ukraine has already made their choice, and all the "multi-moves" of our leaders, as always, will be paid by Vanka and Manka.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 11 October 2013 23: 40 New
      0
      Quote: godun
      There is a lot going on here, beyond the control of the mind ... "


      Is that Shakespeare? - "There are many things in the world ... that are beyond the control of our sages" And maybe you know where this line comes from: "This land, the land of mysteries and miracles"?
  18. 31231
    31231 11 October 2013 10: 21 New
    +4
    Alexey, in order to find out the essence of the problem, you need to find out whether Ukraine reduced the cost of gas transportation services or not. If you study this issue well, you will understand why the price of gas was rising. Maybe she fell because of this.
    For many, it will turn out to be interesting, but Ukraine paid for gas for itself mainly with gas transportation services.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 12 October 2013 06: 29 New
      0
      I read an article about gas-da-aa-a-aa .... Plague. Here you and the brothers ...
  19. EGORKA
    EGORKA 11 October 2013 10: 29 New
    +1
    And why did not the author mention the option by which Gazprom could buy gas from Firtash at the same price that he had sold? Cooking up articles but somehow)
    1. 31231
      31231 11 October 2013 12: 49 New
      +2
      The topic is much more complicated than described. And first of all, the economy in all these teras, and not politics.
  20. grafrozow
    grafrozow 11 October 2013 10: 37 New
    +5
    It turns out that the Russian company Gazprom lowered the prices for gas supplies for the company, 50% of which belong to Gazprombank - this time, for a company that itself resells Russian gas in Ukraine at convenient prices for itself, these are two. In other words, reducing the price of Gazprom gas to 260 dollars does not guarantee that it will be sold at the same price for the UGS of Ukraine. Of course, it does not guarantee only if Vladimir Putin did not oblige RosUkrGaz to use its administrative resources available to him (Putin’s) to moderate their appetites.
    Again we will be "shod", it will turn out as always. We are producing gas ourselves, on the outskirts of the city, and a new receipt has arrived - a 30% rise in price, no words ...
  21. Russ69
    Russ69 11 October 2013 10: 37 New
    +4
    The article is superficial ... More written for forum wars ... smile
  22. In the book
    In the book 11 October 2013 11: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: 31231
    Why was gas the most expensive for Ukraine ?! Because Ukraine paid for it with gas transportation services. And these services were oh not so cheap.

    I recommend to start by looking at statistics on the cost of gas transportation through Ukraine and the cost of transportation through European countries,
    respected.
    1. Coward
      Coward 11 October 2013 12: 19 New
      0
      Why didn't you show it yourself? I would love to see.
    2. 31231
      31231 11 October 2013 12: 54 New
      +1
      The cost of gas at the limit at the expense of Russia for transport services to Ukraine do not look ?! I gave the link above, it shows how much Russia’s gas transit actually cost.
      So it turned out that the prices of Ukrainian transit seem to be lower than European ones, but they are paid by gas at $ 50 per thousand cubic meters.
      Because gas in those days was then worth about $ 160-170 per thousand cubic meters - and it turns out that in terms of European prices, Russia paid gas transit at $ 3,71 thousand cubic meters per 100 km - in other words, Russia overpaid Ukraine for transit no less than 1,85 times (this is if we take the average cost of transit in Europe as $ 2 per 1000 cubic meters per 100 km).
  23. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 11 October 2013 12: 02 New
    +3
    Glazyev on this occasion said that if they had not given the money, then Ukraine would have expected a default in the fall, but if Ukraine did not do anything, then this money would be enough only for six months. In these words all truth. We DO NOT NEED the default of Ukraine today, we need a default in 8 months at the very height of the election campaign so that the economic crisis overlaps with the political crisis. Maidan democracy will not allow anyone to be elected at all, and then the regions will scatter in their corners. From the point of view of Russia, this is the most optimal option for the future of Ukraine.
    1. rolik
      rolik 11 October 2013 12: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Jurkovs
      From the point of view of Russia, this is the most optimal option for the future of Ukraine.

      The best option is to lobby for the formation of 100% of his person to reign in Ukraine.
      1. foreman SA
        foreman SA 11 October 2013 12: 43 New
        +2
        And who could it be? It is necessary to grow it. Although there was talk that the elder Klitschko could be convenient for Russia. In the sense that "wherever they send, they want to"
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv 11 October 2013 13: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Chief of the SA
          And who could it be?

          So there Medvedchuk "quietly" shows himself and Putin will trust him as they say
      2. 31231
        31231 11 October 2013 13: 02 New
        +5
        Yanukovych also seemed his own. Like Lenin, the Germans built their eyes before the victory of the revolution.
        1. turan_up
          turan_up 11 October 2013 13: 33 New
          +3
          He is up to Lenin as a mountain crustacean. Lenin and the United States, and England and France seemed to be his own. And all the ball. Instead of the collapse / cut of the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union created another powerful state.
          1. samoletil18
            samoletil18 11 October 2013 20: 42 New
            +1
            Stalin created the Soviet Union. Lenin, then already had a headache. But how to grab an entire country for someone else's loot, there really was "the main event of the XNUMXth century." And at first he surrendered Ukraine to Germany, and then with the hands of Petliura he squeezed the Germans out. Anyway, genius! Would have gone to swindlers - would have been in authority.
    2. old rocket man
      old rocket man 11 October 2013 12: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: Jurkovs
      and then the regions will scatter in their corners. From the point of view of Russia, this is the most optimal option for the future of Ukraine.

      The best option is if all these regions, except the three western ones, become part of Russia as subjects of the federation (oh, it's not harmful to dream)
      She’s already lifted her leg in the photo. laughing
  24. MG42
    MG42 11 October 2013 12: 16 New
    +4
    Quote: Author Volodin Alexey
    The fact is that Gazprom first sells gas to a company with the wonderful name RosUkrEnergo, and then this company resells it to NaftoGaz.
    Co-owners of the company, which is also remarkable, are Gazprombank and Centragas Holding (Austria), and the company itself is registered in Switzerland

    In principle, it is clear to whom the rollback from RosUkrenergo is going from the Ukrainian side, but from the Russian side it goes directly to the Kremlin, you can guess who .. hi
  25. In the book
    In the book 11 October 2013 13: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: rolik
    Quote: Jurkovs
    From the point of view of Russia, this is the most optimal option for the future of Ukraine.

    The best option is to lobby for the formation of 100% of his person to reign in Ukraine.


    Engage, friends, in your household, do not go to the neighbors
  26. Black
    Black 11 October 2013 14: 07 New
    +1
    Gift ... not a gift ???
    Well, judging by the girl (garnaya), ready for a "horizontal pole" on the gas pipe, it is always a gift!
  27. vvpll
    vvpll 11 October 2013 14: 14 New
    +2
    Many citizens of Ukraine have long been complaining, they say Russia would only crush them with gas, but how much a discount should not be given, the price will not go down for the population.

    Yes, not to fall, however, and many Russian citizens are unlikely to see Gazprom profits.
    It (gas) and for the population of Russia only rises in price, and to bring gas so it is necessary to earn non-acidic, and even they will heat up to the full.

    Putin will not miss his. If, for example, Ukraine refuses to purchase gas, the Russians will start to snatch it at an equal profitable price. They must also support their "national heritage."
  28. Mhpv
    Mhpv 11 October 2013 14: 17 New
    +2
    Russia pumped gas and that:
    To date, in Lysychansk, the work of 14 boiler houses from the 33's was reported on Wednesday by Andrei Panait, director of the KP “Lysychanskteploset”, in an interview with the local television company Accent. “Electricity has been supplied to all boiler houses, gas metering stations have been adopted,” says the director of the utility company. “But we were faced with the problem of allocating gas limits and insufficient gas pressure at the boiler houses.”
    Now the highwaymen are changing the washers from summer to winter and as soon as the gas pressure is sufficient they will light the boilers.
    Today in Lysychansk there are heated 6 secondary schools (from 23's), 8 kindergartens (from 14's), one vocational school (from 6's). Heat was also provided to eight cultural institutions and eight city hospitals.
    The coolant is supplied to the 84 residential building.

    http://lisichansk.com.ua/2013/10/25382
    There are no gas limits for October in most utilities in the region due to arrears to Naftogaz Ukrainy. This was stated during the hardware meeting, which was held by the chairman of the Lugansk Regional State Administration Vladimir Pristyuk.

    As the director of the Department of Housing and Communal Services and Construction Alexander Golub noted during the hardware meeting, the technical measures to prepare the life support facilities for the population of the region for the heating season have been completed. At the same time, the following factors negatively affect the start-up of the coolant: the absence of October gas limits in most utilities in the region due to arrears to Naftogaz Ukrainy; the assignment for 15 equipment of Lysychansk boiler houses and one each in Rovenky and Stanichno-Lugansk district with heat energy meters was not completed; low settlements of Teplokommunenergo enterprises for gas (debt 628 mln. UAH), electricity (773 mln. UAH) and water (58 mln. UAH); large accounts receivable of the population for housing and communal services - about 757,5 mln. UAH

    Again Russia is to blame?
  29. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 11 October 2013 14: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: Jurkovs
    Glazyev on this occasion said that if they had not given the money, then Ukraine would have expected a default in the fall, but if Ukraine did not do anything, then this money would be enough only for six months. In these words all truth. We DO NOT NEED the default of Ukraine today, we need a default in 8 months at the very height of the election campaign so that the economic crisis overlaps with the political crisis. Maidan democracy will not allow anyone to be elected at all, and then the regions will scatter in their corners. From the point of view of Russia, this is the most optimal option for the future of Ukraine.

    I completely agree, it reminds me of cheese in a mousetrap. Here we are some benefactors, however. But I still feel sorry for the money, Ukraine is already leaving, but part of it can come back, which never happens in life, especially in the political one!
  30. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 11 October 2013 15: 08 New
    -5
    Question: why do we feed Ukraine, a state that has a clearly unfriendly policy towards Russia?
    1. 31231
      31231 11 October 2013 15: 18 New
      +4
      You do not confuse people with politicians.
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 11 October 2013 15: 57 New
      +9
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      Question: why do we feed Ukraine, a state that has a clearly unfriendly policy towards Russia?

      Feed? belay belay belay wassat
      I see that recently some Russian members of the forum are generally out of touch with the reality of steel. If, for example, you are fed like Russia is "feeding" Ukraine, you will die in a month or two, in terrible agony (and they will probably also tell you that you are ungrateful))) NO feeding, Russia works only for itself, for a long time - long.
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  31. Migari
    Migari 11 October 2013 16: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: old rocket
    Quote: Jurkovs
    and then the regions will scatter in their corners. From the point of view of Russia, this is the most optimal option for the future of Ukraine.

    The best option is if all these regions, except the three western ones, become part of Russia as subjects of the federation (oh, it's not harmful to dream)
    She’s already lifted her leg in the photo. laughing

    The fact of the matter is that the confrontation in Ukraine is between these regions, just that the eastern regions are not as united as the western ones during the Orange Revolution, and the photo is really cool, and most importantly it corresponds, the leg is to the left, to the west, to gay Europe, sorry for the divine.
  32. Russ69
    Russ69 11 October 2013 16: 07 New
    +3
    Quote: Corneli
    I see that recently some Russian members of the forum are generally out of touch with the reality of steel. If, for example, you are fed like Russia is "feeding" Ukraine, you will die in a month or two, in terrible agony (and they will probably also tell you that you are ungrateful))) NO feeding, Russia works only for itself, for a long time - long.

    All the same, countries should feed themselves ... and not wait for alms from someone ...
    Yes, and whom should Russia work for, in your opinion?
    Even in the TS, it works for itself, but this system provides food not only for Russia, but for the whole TS. Or do you think the huge market of Russia for Belarus and Kazakhstan does not mean anything?
  33. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 11 October 2013 16: 11 New
    +5
    And another question: why do we supply gas and electricity to Georgia at preferential prices? And this is even despite her aggression against South Ossetia! There are many claims to the Ukrainian leadership, and our Kremlin the better? We’ll also see how gas prices rise.
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 11 October 2013 16: 42 New
      +1
      And the patamushta of the Georgians, i.e. people, nothing to do with !!! It’s all Saakakashvili Mili fought, not Georgians. We are friends with Georgians. It’s just that the guys with the president were unlucky, what about the citizens?
  34. uzer 13
    uzer 13 11 October 2013 17: 01 New
    +2
    This news appeared last week. According to the participants of the forum, there is nothing to add. Everyone understands that financial assistance to bankrupts can only be done in the hope of receiving half the money back as a kickback. After an inevitable default, this money can be written off as an irretrievable loss. a man with hairy palms is already present in the accounting chamber. The planned operation is nearing its logical conclusion.
    1. 31231
      31231 11 October 2013 20: 01 New
      0
      After an inevitable default, this money can be written off as an irreparable loss.

      And what about the bankrupt has nothing to take ?! GTS and many other worthwhile facilities.
  35. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 11 October 2013 18: 29 New
    0
    An interesting reaction ...

    Dear 31231: I’m not confusing people with politicians. Just what determines the people in politics?

    Russia, as I understood from the article, gave the Ukrainian government money to pay for loans.

    It is no secret that Ukraine sits tightly on a credit needle. Just suffer from this is not politics. And the people.

    And in general - I personally consider Ukraine an "ugly brainchild" - the fruit of the collapse of the USSR. The structure of today's Ukraine includes, for example, territories with a predominantly Russian population.

    Why don't they, someday, return to Russia?

    PS I’m getting ready for the cries and cons of ardent Ukrainians)))
    1. 31231
      31231 11 October 2013 20: 04 New
      +1
      PS I’m getting ready for the cries and cons of ardent Ukrainians)))

      It seems to me that there are many times more calm Russians, Ukrainians and people of other nations. So it is with the majority of the population of the former Union.
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 11 October 2013 22: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: 31231
        It seems to me that there are many times more calm Russians, Ukrainians and people of other nations. So it is with the majority of the population of the former Union.

        More, the current they are silent .... But the purchase of "bawlers" erase fingers in the blood and create, so to speak, "public opinion." And how can you not recall LGBT people from the west, there are also LGBT people there, and not most, by number .... but by star, on the contrary!
        Here are the renowned "calm" Russians, Ukrainians and other people of other nations ... they are mostly silent, sometimes they try to write modestly ... well, there we are brothers and so on .. And at this time, paid Judas (and if you take this site, it is far from "zapadentsy") are ready to scribble 100+ comments a day, they also create new accounts (for extras, Schaub does not burn the main nicknames). Any, unbiased forum user, if he personally wants to investigate this fact, oh ... em! The faces (I'm tolerant of the EPs!)) Are the same ... sometimes "new" are added, the current sho curled)))
        But the "calm" ones are mostly silent ... they don't get money) They just write) And if someone starts to "freak out" and try to write the truth, "patriots" quickly shut their mouths! Even if there is nothing special to say, but if this is work, Mona create an account ... minus ... and write a minimum of comments (but pretentious!) minus in Chihara is much more effective)
    2. ale-x
      ale-x 11 October 2013 21: 30 New
      +1
      PS I’m getting ready for the cries and cons of ardent Ukrainians)))
      but in vain, + to you.
    3. allim
      allim 13 October 2013 06: 02 New
      0
      And why is the Russian population voting for the EU. Yes, because Mr. Putin will never grow up to Comrade Stalin. there is no politician in Russia with the level of Vissarionitch
  36. orek
    orek 11 October 2013 19: 20 New
    +1
    Yes, what is going on in the media space and in the comments. As soon as they remember about Ukraine and Russia - so b ....... there is immediately the price and all heresy about gas. This is paranoia. it feels like there are no more topics. Like Pavlov’s dog, they turned on the light, saliva flowed.
    Well, the respected VV has reduced "the price for the blakitne palyvo" and that. This is super news ??? For two weeks they suck on everything.
    It's just that VV is forced to solve the problem of joining the association with "real boys", ie. with "effective owners" of enterprises - with those who are pushing the whole country there. Simply giving up this decision costs money - and you can't give money. This is a bribe. And the Euro-American side is keeping a close eye on this. Moreover, during the negotiations, the IMF is constantly crying - increase the cost of gas for the population, and print green paper in three shifts. Give, dear leaders of Ukraine, a break to the machines.
  37. samoletil18
    samoletil18 11 October 2013 20: 49 New
    0
    Quote: uzer 13
    . Your little man with hairy palms is already present in the Account Chamber. Planned operation

    Oh. Masturbator, or what? Or an onanist?
  38. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 11 October 2013 21: 43 New
    0
    Did the Russian people RIPPLE their rulers-benefactors? ...

    THANKS to the savior of the World GDP ...

    Yes! The main thing that there was no WAR ...
  39. 3030
    3030 14 October 2013 08: 40 New
    -1
    Quote: old man54
    Quote: 3030
    Monomakh’s hat, which is so important in Russia, is not a pity, for he himself made no less than Monomakh in his time. The white-tape worms of Monomakh’s hat haunt you no matter how I look.

    Oh, how many more fools then walks around our sinful land !!! request And sklko specific bastards and idiots, eh, "3030" ??? When are you going to waste it all at once, huh?
    Quote: 3030
    All keep the cattle thief yelling stealing, and trying on a hat, it’s not Senka’s head for you!

    This is an ov you said to yourself, right to the point, and about those like you and those in front of whom you are gearing at the bucket. wink hi

    You old fool - you fool! Do not go to the "fish" do not ask for "locks" you will stay with your grandmother at the broken "trough"! wink hi