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Israel and Iran: the new passions

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The events of recent days are arranged in a logical chain. Benjamin Netanyahu gave an interview to CBC TV channel, in which he called the former president of the Islamic Republic of Iran Ahmadinejad a wolf in wolf's clothing, and the current president Rouhani a wolf in sheep's clothing. Rouhani publicly spoke on the stupid sword of Israel and promised to continue the nuclear program "at full capacity". October 2 in the forest near Karaj found the body of the head of the headquarters of the Iranian Kibervoisk Mojatab Abmadi: he was shot dead with two shots at close range. October 6 in the press there were reports of the arrest in Iran of four suspects in the preparation of sabotage at a nuclear facility. On the same day, it became known that the last proposal made by the six Western mediating countries was invalid: it was announced by Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammed Javad Zarif.


The other day, Benjamin Netanyahu gave an interview to CBS. “Ahmadinejad was a wolf in a wolf’s skin, and Rouhani is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, who thinks he can throw dust in the eyes of the international community, like everyone else. I wish that we could believe the words of Rouhani, but we must focus on Iran’s actions, ”the prime minister quotes. MIGnews.com.

Netanyahu knows the only way to peacefully stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons - Combine tough sanctions with a military threat. Well, if the Jewish state alone has to stand against Iran, it means it will. Then the prime minister said: “The world must continue the pressure in the name of all that is holy, in order not to let them have nuclear weapons. This is important not only for us, but also for Americans, Europeans, Arabs. The people of Iran, the Persians, you do not want your country to have nuclear weapons, because of this you can not get rid of tyranny. "

Rhetoric, we note, looks like a great American, the one that comes in daily from the world's most democratic tribunes. What, interestingly, is the connection between tyranny and nuclear weapons? Israel has it too. In the USA too. Or does Netanyahu think that the Ayatollah will start scaring its own people with an atomic bomb? It begs the parallel with the "harassment" of Assad of his people by sarin ...

In turn, Hassan Rouhani spoke about the wrath of Israel and the strengthening of Iran.

“Israel is angry because it realizes that its sword has become blunt, and Iran is growing day by day,” Rouhani told journalists in Tehran, reports MIGnews.com with reference to the agency "Fars".

Rouhani also promised to continue Iran’s nuclear program at full capacity.

Head of the General Staff Hasan Firuzabadi supported his president. Israel’s threats against Iran, he said, reflect “the deep despair in which Israel is located.” Chief of General Staff called Netanyahu "the instigator of war," and then added that "it has now become clear that the military option is less relevant than ever." Continuing the presidential line, Firuzabadi said that Netanyahu was waving a “dull sword of war” from the UN rostrum, but such threats are no longer effective.

For absentee verbal skirmish followed by actions that other analysts and bloggers attributed to the security services of Israel, acting against Iran. However, we will refrain from commenting on guesses and conjectures. We draw only a chain of events.

October 2 in the forest near Karaj (north-west of Tehran) was found the body of the head of the headquarters of the Iranian Kibervoisk Mojatab Abmadi, reports MIGnews.com.

Comrade Ahmadi was killed by two shots to the heart, according to Iranian media. The local police commander says two are involved in the murder on a motorcycle.

No details have been reported since.

A few days later in the media there were reports of the arrest of four people in Iran who are suspected of preparing sabotage at a nuclear facility. Reports about it "Lenta.ru" with reference to France-Presse.

According to the head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, Ali Akbar Salehi, the detainees are now being interrogated. Salehi did not name their names, but explained that recently the actions of several employees of a nuclear facility seemed suspicious to the organization’s representatives. And in the course of the observation, it turned out that they had planned a diversion.

October 6 became aware of the statement of Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammed Javad Zarif.

The world community must make new proposals for resolving Tehran’s nuclear program, since the last proposal made by Western partners in the “5 + 1” format is invalid. This was stated by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Iran, reports "Voice of Russia" with reference to the RIA "News».

"The last offer made by countries in the format" 5 + 1 "(Russia, USA, France, UK, China and Germany) went to historyand now they must sit down at the negotiating table with a new approach, ”the head of the Iranian Foreign Ministry said.

Finally, on October 9 a new link appeared in the news chain: Israel was indignant at the appointment of Iran to the United Nations Committee on Disarmament Affairs and International Security, reports "Lenta.ru" with reference to the Associated Press.

Israel’s ambassador to the UN, Ron Prozor, in a letter addressed to Ban Ki-moon, said that he felt “incomprehensible” as a country suspected of developing nuclear weapons could be admitted to the UN Disarmament Committee. To this, the ambassador added that the appointment of Iran to the committee "is like the appointment of a drug baron as director of a pharmaceutical company."

Analyst Dmitry Minin ("Fund of Strategic Culture") believes that Israel has launched a strategic project to create the Israeli-Sunni coalition on an anti-Iranian basis. Israel is not satisfied with the prospects for normalizing the situation around Iran. This threatens Tel Aviv with a loss of political influence in the region. According to the experts, cited by the author, the Israeli leadership seeks to "mix up the cards" of Washington to normalize relations with Iran, including through "fancy combinations" (axis with the monarchies of the Persian Gulf).

Israel believes that the pressure of the countries of the Persian Gulf could affect the USA and Europe: after all, oil monarchies are the main energy suppliers in the Old World. Observers note that the formation of the unofficial axis is manifested in the frequent exchange of emissaries between Israel and the monarchies of the Gulf. Israel scares the monarchy, including the expected signing of a military agreement between Iran and Iraq.

Netanyahu’s belligerence and intransigence confuses even John Kerry, who recently shook the Syrian test tube. “You must first use the existing set of medicines before moving on to new ones,” said the US Secretary of State.

That's right: the United States does not even decide on an operation against Syria, and Israel is already dragging them to Iran. What Netanyahu said about Israel’s possible loneliness is very much like geopolitical truth. We should not forget about the "shutdown" of the American government from October 1 and about the default threatening the White House, which leading economists have already called a "catastrophe."

D. Minin believes that Netanyahu’s hopes for an alliance of Israel with the monarchies of the Persian Gulf are unlikely to be justified: there are too many “allies”.

Negotiations on Iran’s nuclear program, we will add, will be held in Geneva in the near future: October 15-16. This time, the US and Europe are waiting for concrete solutions from Tehran.

A week later, it will become clear how the policy pursued by Rouhani differs from that of his predecessor Ahmadinejad. We should not forget that Iran expects new proposals from the world community to regulate its own nuclear program, since the old proposal, according to the Iranian Foreign Minister, “has gone down in history”. As a result, we have just the “historical” alignment of forces: the West and Israel are waiting for the first decisions from Iran, and Iran is waiting for proposals from them.

Let's wait and we are in the middle of October.

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  1. Su-9
    Su-9 10 October 2013 07: 27 New
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    For the Israelis, the end justifies the means ... No matter how anyone treats them, their focus on the struggle for survival deserves respect.
    They fully understand that even if they beat it a couple of times, that’s all, the country’s cover. So they fight as they can.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 10 October 2013 07: 46 New
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      are struggling
      Quote: Su-9
      So they fight as they can.
      it’s not they who are fighting, but for them, that is, with the wrong hands, with the wrong money. This cannot be respected.
      1. Dezzed
        Dezzed 10 October 2013 08: 28 New
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        Comrade Stalin also tried to push his opponents together.
        what's bad about it actually?
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 10 October 2013 09: 09 New
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          Comrade Stalin did this on his own and with money, unlike Israel! And with his direct participation, Israel was created.
          1. Dezzed
            Dezzed 10 October 2013 09: 55 New
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            Israel, too, fights its opponents "on its own and with money" and other instruments.

            By the way, have you heard about the excellent Lend-Lease program from the Second World War?
            1. Oberst_71
              Oberst_71 10 October 2013 10: 02 New
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              and what about Lend-Lease. whom to compare with whom?
            2. Romn
              Romn 10 October 2013 10: 03 New
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              Dezzed
              If you are familiar with the story, then you KNOW that you paid for landliz gold!
              otherwise it’s painful you talk beautifully about the “gratuitous wonderful program”
              1. Tourist Breakfast
                Tourist Breakfast 10 October 2013 10: 43 New
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                If you are familiar with the story, then you KNOW that you paid for landliz gold!
                otherwise it’s painful you talk beautifully about the “gratuitous wonderful program”


                They didn’t pay for landliz in gold, which has already been repeatedly posted on this site.
                1. Romn
                  Romn 10 October 2013 10: 51 New
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                  but besides some recent articles, could you bring facts? But I know what they paid, and there is a lot of evidence and evidence, as well as contracts! And oh, at what fraternal prices, the United States paid its economic growth only for the 2 world and is obligated that it boosted the economy by selling the very weapons!
                  If you want to argue, check out the history in more detail, not the US history textbooks!
                  1. Tourist Breakfast
                    Tourist Breakfast 10 October 2013 11: 26 New
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                    but besides some recent articles, could you bring facts? But I know what they paid, and there is a lot of evidence and evidence, as well as contracts! And oh, at what fraternal prices, the United States paid its economic growth only for the 2 world and is obligated that it boosted the economy by selling the very weapons!
                    If you want to argue, check out the history in more detail, not the US history textbooks!


                    Actually, I never came across any mention that they paid for landlisse in gold. So take the trouble to bring your source.
                    You have a confusion in your head. According to the Lend-Lease Act, the United States supplied machinery, ammunition, equipment, etc. countries whose defense was vital to the States themselves. All deliveries were free. All machinery, equipment and materials spent, consumed or destroyed during the war were not payable. Property remaining after the end of the war and suitable for civilian purposes should have been paid.

                    Another thing is that there was a so-called “reverse” lendlise, within which the USSR (and not only) also supplied certain goods to the USA (including gold and platinum). That's just the volume of this reverse lendlization was only 3% -4% of the direct.


                    The topic has already been discussed here a hundred times, by the way.
                    1. URAL72
                      URAL72 10 October 2013 18: 32 New
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                      The USSR did not pay for the supply of military equipment, but after the war it was obliged to return everything that had survived from it (and returned, in particular, minesweepers, boats, destroyers, etc.). And deliveries of the notorious stew, aluminum (for military factories!), And other "non-military" products, were just paid, INCLUDING gold. By the way, under Lend-Lease we received only about 8% of the total volume of military equipment received by the troops during the years of the war, including lost during transportation ... After the war, we argued for a long time about the debts under Lend-Lease, and paid off already mine with Humpback.
                      1. recrut6666
                        recrut6666 11 October 2013 07: 20 New
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                        in the quantitative ratio of tanks and aircraft, these were scanty deliveries at the right, most difficult moment of the war! but no one will argue that in the supply of automotive equipment, zips, oil refineries, alloying additives, etc. etc., these were significant landings!
                        remember newsreel, "Katyusha" was mainly put on Studebakers !!!!
                    2. TURAR
                      TURAR 11 October 2013 09: 17 New
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                      How did the Americans learn in March 1941 about the victory of the USSR over Germany in 1945? Lend-Lease was created primarily against the USSR. Since they were waiting for when Comrade Stalin was the first among the “honest” Europeans to die.
                  2. netMolotov
                    netMolotov 10 October 2013 13: 32 New
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                    Romn - But I know what they paid, and there is a lot of evidence and evidence, as well as contracts!

                    Well, for example, give one proof? Decision number, number, tons of gold, names of signatories - well, what?
                2. revnagan
                  revnagan 10 October 2013 11: 04 New
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                  Quote: Tourist Breakfast
                  They didn’t pay for landliz in gold, which has already been repeatedly posted on this site.

                  They didn’t pay for what burned in the fire of war. They didn’t pay back what they didn’t need at the end of the war. They decided to leave the USSR, they already paid everything. They paid in gold or currency. But how much do you evaluate the blood of our soldiers who defended the right the existence of not only their own people, but also many ... um ... alien peoples with Lend-Lease weapons in their hands?
                  1. Tourist Breakfast
                    Tourist Breakfast 10 October 2013 11: 32 New
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                    They didn’t pay for what was burned in the fire of war. They didn’t pay back what was not needed at the end of the war.


                    In fact, so far not Russia has not paid the United States for all the debts of the USSR for lendlis. And this is despite the fact that the total amount of debt has been constantly decreasing during numerous negotiations.

                    And how much do you evaluate the blood of our soldiers who defended the right to exist not only of their people, but also of many ... um ... alien peoples with Lend-Lease weapons in their hands?


                    Let me remind you that the topic of land-lease was raised in connection with the mention of American military assistance to Israel. I personally do not see any cardinal differences in these two cases.
                    1. Romn
                      Romn 10 October 2013 11: 58 New
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                      Tourist Breakfast
                      Do you compare the 2 World War and help in it with Israel!? The entire Jewish people should be thankful until the end of their existence, what would you now be if it were not for the USSR. Israel as a state would not exist if it were not for the USSR, and by the way this was the biggest mistake in the history of the USSR!
                      And about your beautiful phrase that we are still debtors under the land lease, so returning to the dialogue above, DO NOT YOU SAY THAT ALL HELP WAS FREE! ??? Where is the logic in your words ??
                      That’s what I’m saying, there wasn’t this very free help, all the power and wealth of the present United States was created at the expense of the blood of the people of the 2 World War and at the expense of countries that, unlike the United States, really fought!
                      And how is it that your language is turning to compare Israel with the USSR and the situation around the 2 world, that’s certainly not grateful!
                      1. Tourist Breakfast
                        Tourist Breakfast 10 October 2013 12: 32 New
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                        Tourist Breakfast
                        Do you compare the 2 World War and help in it with Israel!? The entire Jewish people should be thankful until the end of their existence, what would you now be if it were not for the USSR. Israel as a state would not exist if it were not for the USSR, and by the way this was the biggest mistake in the history of the USSR!


                        Before we go any further, have you already figured out about supposedly paying with gold for lend-lease?
                      2. Romn
                        Romn 10 October 2013 13: 07 New
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                        Tourist Breakfast
                        Payment in gold was probably not at the time of the war itself, but it was paid in gold! there’s nothing to understand!
                      3. Tourist Breakfast
                        Tourist Breakfast 10 October 2013 13: 16 New
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                        Tourist Breakfast
                        Payment in gold was probably not at the time of the war itself, but it was paid in gold! there’s nothing to understand!


                        A source?
                      4. Romn
                        Romn 10 October 2013 13: 55 New
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                        Tourist Breakfast
                        In any source it is written that the main material that the USSR paid for was gold, well, if you will be calmer and other raw materials! But you said that it was generally free, you focus more on it, how much everything was free !?
                      5. Tourist Breakfast
                        Tourist Breakfast 10 October 2013 14: 04 New
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                        Tourist Breakfast
                        In any source it is written that the main material that the USSR paid for was gold, well, if you will be calmer and other raw materials!

                        In which "any"? Can you get at least one link with numbers today?

                        There is a desire, tell me!

                        And what's the use?
                      6. Romn
                        Romn 10 October 2013 14: 20 New
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                        Tourist Breakfast
                        Search the Internet for information and find everything!
            3. netMolotov
              netMolotov 10 October 2013 13: 47 New
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              Romn - All Jewish people must be thankful until the end of existence.
              And this by the way was the biggest mistake in the history of the USSR!

              The Israelis truly consider Stalin to be one of the founding fathers of their state. Apparently you need to tell them about the error!
            4. Romn
              Romn 10 October 2013 14: 08 New
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              netMolotov
              They may Stalin and consider such, but what they are and how much they are grateful to him for all the good, they showed quickly, having crossed over to the union from the United States!
              This is about a mistake, the USSR itself created an enemy and aggressor for the entire region. Confirmation see clearly now!
              Or am I wrong in this again?
          2. Doctorleg
            Doctorleg 10 October 2013 13: 49 New
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            Judging by your words, you are very grateful. Regarding lendlise, read the comments, everything is written there. That it was necessary to pay only for what was not destroyed and we wanted to keep it for ourselves. And about the US participation in the war ... I wonder if we had to fight on 2 fronts, you would also insist on an urgent landing. yes, in terms of the number of deaths, the US war against Japan is much inferior to ours against Germany. But it demanded a tremendous strain on the economy - the war went on for thousands of kilometers, aircraft carriers, etc. etc. + made airplanes and tanks for us, ourselves and England. Their bombing distracted German fighter aircraft, which could be on the eastern front + the destruction of factories.
          3. Dezzed
            Dezzed 11 October 2013 10: 23 New
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            "And about your beautiful phrase that we are still debtors under the land lease, so returning to the dialogue above, WOULD YOU NOT SAY THAT ALL HELP WAS FREE! ??? Where is the logic in your words ??"

            "Free" is what is not paid for! here is the logic.

            "certainly not grateful!"

            and on this account: the Jews who write on the forum all have grandfathers and great-grandfathers who took part in that war.

            my great-grandfather Yaakov Khazanov has 4 military medals, a red star and I remember for Budapest.


            so hold your little dog comrade!
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 10 October 2013 11: 32 New
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      Quote: Tourist Breakfast
      They didn’t pay for landliz in gold, which has already been repeatedly posted on this site.


      And what do you think of the tent?
      1. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 10 October 2013 11: 34 New
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        And what do you think of the tent?

        During the war, they paid nothing.
      2. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 10 October 2013 11: 53 New
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        still paid! still ships with gold in the Barents Sea raise
        1. netMolotov
          netMolotov 10 October 2013 14: 19 New
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          Oberst_71 - still ships with gold in the Barents Sea raise.

          Well, it’s the British who transported their gold to the USSR, and the ships overloaded by them sank simply in batches. In general, besides your words about the uplift, give an example - tired of reading nonsense.
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 10 October 2013 15: 47 New
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            Quote: netMolotov
            In general, besides your words about the uplift, give an example - tired of reading nonsense.

            Type in the search engine, "Cruiser" Edinburgh ". Here you will be an example.
          2. Tourist Breakfast
            Tourist Breakfast 10 October 2013 16: 22 New
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            Type in the search engine, "Cruiser" Edinburgh ". Here you will be an example.


            Typed:

            In the last trip he accompanied the convoy QP-11 (28.04.1942/7.05.1942/5,5 Murmansk - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX Reykjavik). He had on board about XNUMX tons of gold - partially payment for Soviet purchases in the UK and the USA, made withtop of the land lease program (Lend-Lease supplies were not payable until after the war), partially - “reverse lend-lease”: supplied raw materials for the production of communications for the USSR, which was used for gilding the contacts of all telephone, radio and navigation equipment produced for the Soviet army, aviation and navy.
    3. BBM
      BBM 10 October 2013 17: 33 New
      +1
      in the Newfoundland banks area, not so long ago they found a load of Soviet platinum worth 1.5 billion bucks right now, the Britons are suing whose Americans :)
  2. Volkolak
    Volkolak 10 October 2013 14: 57 New
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    Quote: Tourist Breakfast
    They didn’t pay for landliz in gold, which has already been repeatedly posted on this site.

    And whose articles? Jewish? And didn’t the Herr prohessor spread?
  3. bomg.77
    bomg.77 10 October 2013 18: 41 New
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    Quote: Tourist Breakfast
    They didn’t pay for landliz in gold, which has already been repeatedly posted on this site.
    This is why the 3 American treasure hunter of the year guards 72 tons of platinum (DO NOT give permission to lift) that was sent to the USA by Lend-Lease, and the English treasure hunter in 82 or 83 a year found a sunken ship in the Baltic that was transporting gold and can be found on the internet.
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 10 October 2013 19: 29 New
      +2
      and this can be found on the internet.

      Search the Internet for “reverse lendlis” and how it relates to direct.
      1. bear
        bear 10 October 2013 21: 36 New
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        bomg.77

        This is why the 3 American treasure hunter of the year guards 72 tons of platinum (DO NOT give permission to lift) that was sent to the USA by Lend-Lease, and the English treasure hunter in 82 or 83 a year found a sunken ship in the Baltic that was transporting gold and can be found on the internet.

        Tourist Breakfast
        Search the Internet for “reverse lendlis” and how it relates to direct.

        Damn well, not 72 tons, but for free and you can go broke. And how much gold A was transported through Alaska by planes?
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 10 October 2013 21: 46 New
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          Damn well, not 72 tons, but for free and you can go broke. And how much gold A was transported through Alaska by planes?


          And how many? Tear off the covers, so to speak. And then all the masters put the minuses, but with numbers and facts so far no one has come out.
  4. don.kryyuger
    don.kryyuger 10 October 2013 18: 45 New
    +2
    Lend-lease, it’s something like a rental. Grandfathers said when the Americans took their Student Debackers back, they checked everything to the last nut. If at least one nut was missing, the car was not accepted.
  5. ruslan207
    ruslan207 10 October 2013 19: 29 New
    +2
    Soviet transport seems to have sunk roofing felts with gold roofing felts with silver sailed to America torpedoed breakfast tourist nothing to the USA does not give even Israel
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 10 October 2013 21: 52 New
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      Soviet transport seems to have sunk roofing felts with gold roofing felts with silver floated in America torpedoed

      Everything could be. Only gold was not payment for goods delivered at lendlise. Similarly, the fact that Israel is receiving certain weapons from the United States at the expense of military assistance does not mean that we do not have to additionally purchase something already for cash from the same American companies.

      tourist breakfast nothing to usa does not give even free Israel


      In this regard, no one has any illusions. For everything you have to pay one way or another.
  • BBM
    BBM 10 October 2013 17: 30 New
    +2
    Well this is only partly true. the bulk of the equipment went for free - and then it was destroyed by the way, under the supervision of the Americans. And gold (though not only to them) was paid for industrial equipment - which then worked for a long time after the war. You always have to tell the truth.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 10 October 2013 10: 19 New
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    Quote: DezzeD
    Israel also fights with opponents "on their own and money"

    Do you speak with your money? Funny. How much does Germany still pay you for the Holocaust tale? You are not the first to get drunk on someone else’s commemoration. Your holiday purim is an example. They destroyed 70 thousand Persians in Persia, and you have a holiday. Tell the people about the ears of Haman, a tasty symbol, is it not true? Do you want to pay reparations to Iran? am
    Quote: DezzeD
    gratis wonderful program "Lend-Lease" during the second world war?
    “Gratuitous” had to be written in capital letters. fool
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 10 October 2013 11: 17 New
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      Quote: Ingvar 72
      They destroyed 70 Persians in Persia, and you have a holiday.

      - Well, you somehow need to turn this holiday into a rainy day in Israel, accusing the episode of genocide and crimes against humanity. But it’s somehow illogical - one country for bringing tanks into Prague and Budapest - and nobody was killed there, but the tankers were pulled out of cars and burned alive - they are accused of genocide, while others are allowed to arrange holidays for others. The reason is simple - whoever is stronger is on horseback. But the Israelis and the West must understand that their strength, like shagreen skin, really shrinks, the world ceases to be EUROPECENTRIC, oriental and Eurasian motifs appear more and more clearly in the picture of the world, and soon it will be difficult for them to dictate to the world (and it’s hard now) their conditions and their views . And when this finally happens, then we will see what in reality will remain from the Holocaust, whether Turkey will be able to fight back for a long time from accusations of genocide of Armenians, Latvians, Poles, Czechs, Americans, Japanese and French - from accusations of crimes in Russia in troubled years October revolution. But the crown may be the accusations of Jews from Persia, well, okay, about 70 thousand Persians - it was a long time ago, but for the real terrible ethnic genocide of Russians by Jews, after the Jews seized power in Russia in the same years of the October Revolution, a real demand. The mere destruction of the Russian population from former white officers in Crimea is worth it! Some Jewess and Jew Bela Kun from Hungary fulfilled her own, together, on the orders of Trotsky and Sverdlov, very Russian citizens. They say that in good weather a pile of bones is visible off the coast of Crimea and is still visible.
      Jew Goloshchekin noted in Kazakhstan - Kazakhstan is still silent on this topic, but there will certainly be demand at the right time. Why scream if the dish is not cool enough? Such bezbarmak will be served very cold.
      So for now, let them celebrate purim. While the dishes are getting cold.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 10 October 2013 11: 24 New
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        Quote: aksakal
        Trotsky and Sverdlov, very Russian citizens.

        laughing
        Quote: aksakal
        While the dishes are getting cold.
        I also like cold snacks. drinks
      2. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 10 October 2013 12: 43 New
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        like a Jewess. !!! the native great-grandmother of the Russian opposition leader Sergei Udaltsov, a sadist and Jewish commissar Rozaliya Samuilovna Zalkind ("Zemlyachka") who named the street in Moscow. So, in the Crimea, after the departure of the whites, the extermination of prisoners of war by Bela Kun and Rosalia Zalkind was many times worse than that what the Germans did during World War II
        1. BBM
          BBM 10 October 2013 19: 35 New
          +1
          By the way, her “life path” and her brilliant career, until a certain time, are very clear - they show who the son of the jugi really was ...
      3. In the reeds
        In the reeds 10 October 2013 14: 35 New
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        Aksakal, you read the rules of the site. For the first time just recommend.
        1. Volkolak
          Volkolak 10 October 2013 15: 21 New
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          Quote: In the reeds
          Aksakal, you read the rules of the site. For the first time just recommend.

          And on the second? Will you bomb like Syria? lol
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 10 October 2013 21: 43 New
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          Quote: In the reeds
          Aksakal, you read the rules of the site. For the first time just recommend.
          Recommended? Or will you deny historical truth? People are already correcting, clarifying the surname, which I forget by age, it turns out - Zalkind is her surname. Is this not genocide? Moreover, on a pronounced ethnic basis. Who came to power as a result of this October revolution? Klimova read. In the reeds, what are you facing? - I'm interested. As for the dishes - I will specially explain for you, this is a figurative expression. Do not be afraid, everything will be according to the law. The countries that were listed by me and those who became the new homeland for those responsible for the genocide will be held absolutely legally liable, similar to the one that Germany now bears before the Jewish ethnic group. First of all, what are you doing here on a site where you are not welcome, on the site of a country that is a geopolitical adversary of your country (well, or an adversary of your closest ally)? As for the Jews - an important explanation. He repeatedly emphasized that I have nothing against the Jews. And now I respect Wasserman, Osherov, Gordon and others. I categorically advocate having drunk the orthodox-Jewish extreme phenomenon, in the common people and in politics called for simplicity "Zionism". Disagree on the merits of the post, not threaten. Are you clear, recommender? I hope I will not hear more threats
      4. Volkolak
        Volkolak 10 October 2013 15: 12 New
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        Quote: aksakal
        So for now, let them celebrate purim. While the dishes are getting cold.

        Bravo! Bravo aksakal. For a long time did not put in place these Judeo parasites. Who is the main instigator of the war in the Middle East? Answer: The Judeo-Taliban state of Israel. The purpose of the war? Answer:
        Due to the territory of Egypt, Syria, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq and part of Iran, and due to the destruction of the population of these countries, create the largest Jewish state in the Middle East.
        1. atalef
          atalef 10 October 2013 20: 29 New
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          Quote: VOLKOLAK
          Due to the territory of Egypt, Syria, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq and part of Iran,

          are we bordering on Iraq and Iran? Thank you for prompting did not know belay

          Quote: VOLKOLAK
          , create the largest Jewish state in the Middle East.

          Well this is buggy. If we are the largest - that is, the smaller Jewish (or maybe other) states in the BV - do not tell me where and what kind of grass you smoke?
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          2. Volkolak
            Volkolak 10 October 2013 22: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            are we bordering on Iraq and Iran? Thank you for prompting did not know

            Goofy! Who is here? Itit-pound, Karish-atalef in person, but I really got bored. It’s not interesting without the Judeo-Zionist troll, time flows. Well, make a bit of diversity, cheer up. laughing
            1. atalef
              atalef 11 October 2013 07: 09 New
              -1
              Quote: VOLKOLAK
              Well, make a bit of diversity, cheer up.
              Train on cats, I don’t serve on Fridays and I don’t feed trolls laughing
        2. crisis
          crisis 10 October 2013 21: 33 New
          +1
          God forbid that this would happen))
    2. Dezzed
      Dezzed 10 October 2013 11: 28 New
      -8
      "How much does Germany still pay you for the Holocaust tale?"

      when you get paid it is called - power.

      besides, we ourselves here and there we’ll take stock and produce and even sell sometimes.
      something we don’t have with handouts.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 10 October 2013 12: 25 New
        11
        Quote: DezzeD
        "How much does Germany still pay you for the Holocaust tale?"
        when you get paid it is called - power.
        So you don’t argue that the Holocaust is a fairy tale? The first time I see such a tolerant Jew. lol
        Quote: DezzeD
        when you get paid it is called - power.

        Of course, I understand that the press in the Jewish sense is a bundle of money. But that is not the strength. Power is in the truth. Didn’t you watch Brother 2? angry
        1. crisis
          crisis 10 October 2013 21: 36 New
          -1
          in the Russian sense, the power in vodka))
      2. BBM
        BBM 10 October 2013 17: 42 New
        0
        Israel is a parasite state. What did Ahmadinejad say there ?? Incidentally, the only politician who had the courage to publicly refute all these tales of the Lochocaust.
        1. crisis
          crisis 10 October 2013 21: 58 New
          0
          Yeah, Ukraine is a pseudo-state that tells tales about the Holodomor
        2. atalef
          atalef 11 October 2013 07: 19 New
          -2
          Quote: BBM
          Israel is a parasite state.

          Well, where can we get to you, gas from the pipe laughing
        3. ruslan207
          ruslan207 11 October 2013 07: 49 New
          0
          BBM-My relatives died in the Second World War so there is no need to deny the Holocaust and you can go to Iran for permanent residence
      3. Bort radist
        Bort radist 13 October 2013 05: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: DezzeD
        when you get paid it is called - power.

        They pay more often that there wouldn’t be, whining and snot could not be seen. Strong hands on the porch do not hold out.
  • rolik
    rolik 10 October 2013 10: 35 New
    0
    Quote: DezzeD
    gratis wonderful program "Lend-Lease" during the second world war?

    I repeat once again, for these deliveries the USSR paid with full-weight ingots of beautiful Russian gold. If you are not up to date yet.
    1. Doctorleg
      Doctorleg 10 October 2013 11: 23 New
      +5
      I'm afraid that you are not in the know. You can search the Internet for scans of Lendlis agreements. And after that no textbooks are needed, neither Russian nor American. In a nutshell: the USSR was not the only recipient of lend-lease, and what Britain had was simply extended to it. Under this agreement, cars, weapons, etc., preserved after the war subject to return or, if you wish to leave yourself - payment. What was spent on the war was not paid (gasoline, destroyed cars, tanks for example). Only that which remained after the war and remained with us was subject to payment. Therefore, the Soviet Union returned a lot of equipment, already heavily worn. Under such conditions, it was supplied what the US government had and was subject to lendlis. Immediate payment was due to what did not fall under the lendlis. It was supplied by private companies and the USSR really paid for it in gold. But it was a small part of the supply. so the conditions were extremely beneficial. After all, even the allies are not obliged to provide constant gratuitous assistance (as was the case in WWII - Russia bought weapons. True, in my opinion, at the expense of soft loans). All this has been discussed repeatedly, but you can not read it :). In general, this is offtopic
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 10 October 2013 17: 37 New
        +2
        Doctorleg Keep bully

        And then lit Srach on a branch!
    2. Dezzed
      Dezzed 10 October 2013 11: 30 New
      -7
      and the check was not kept in the secret archives?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 10 October 2013 12: 30 New
        +5
        Quote: DezzeD
        and the check was not kept in the secret archives?

        Want to pay?
      2. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 10 October 2013 12: 53 New
        0
        fooling around?
  • revnagan
    revnagan 10 October 2013 10: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: DezzeD
    By the way, have you heard about the excellent Lend-Lease program from the Second World War?

    Not only heard, read a lot. And on this site there were many publications on Lend-Lease. With authoritative links. And it wasn’t so beautiful and beautiful, this program ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 October 2013 07: 22 New
      -1
      Quote: revnagan
      And it wasn’t so beautiful and beautiful, this very program ...

      Well, in Syria, the weapon then goes the same way either for free (as the most faithful ally), they pay (I hope) with a full pay, including for the equipment destroyed in battles.
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 12 October 2013 16: 16 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Well, to Syria, the weapon then goes the same as it is for free (as the most faithful ally),

        And you do not confuse the concept of “an ally in the region” and “an ally in the war?” I think so, in the second case, Syria would have long been left alone, and the Syrian military would be photographed against the backdrop of the sights of Doha, Ankara, etc. And, please to the citizens of Israel, when you do informal stuffing, count on the level of people who have received Soviet education, and not the half-wild nomadic tribes surrounding Israel.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 10 October 2013 13: 35 New
    +3
    Gratuitous? laughed. I put + to your last comment, and minus you to this. Read how the Germans drowned cargo ships with gold going to the British Isles.
    1. Doctorleg
      Doctorleg 10 October 2013 13: 53 New
      -1
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Gratuitous? laughed. I put + to your last comment, and minus you to this. Read how the Germans drowned cargo ships with gold going to the British Isles.

      And you read what it was gold for. For deliveries in excess of lend-lease. You can read the memories (I’m afraid to lie to Molotov or Mikoyan) on lendlize, when the Americans asked about the needs. Ours called and something was part of the lendlization program, and something the Americans said that it was necessary to borrow from private companies for money. That was gold
  • Volkolak
    Volkolak 10 October 2013 15: 01 New
    +2
    Quote: DezzeD
    Israel, too, fights its opponents "on its own and with money" and other instruments.

    In bent. But isn't the Fed’s Khabadniks financing your Judeo-Taliban state?
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 10 October 2013 15: 35 New
    +1
    I heard about this program. The United States then helped the CCCP defeat German fascism, which destroyed the Jewish people (including).
  • Firstvanguard
    Firstvanguard 10 October 2013 17: 40 New
    +1
    Israel, too, fights its opponents "on its own and with money" and other instruments.

    By the way, have you heard about the excellent Lend-Lease program from the Second World War?

    Is it free? learn the story.
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 10 October 2013 18: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: DezzeD
    By the way, have you heard about the excellent Lend-Lease program from the Second World War?
    I’ve heard about Lend-Lease, but no one about gratis. And what does this have to do with Israel? As I know, I just would like to hear your version.
    Quote: DezzeD
    Israel, too, fights its opponents "on its own and with money" and other instruments.
    The methods are different and almost always mean, love raking the heat with the wrong hands.
  • ruslan207
    ruslan207 10 October 2013 19: 26 New
    +1
    It is not gratuitous USSR repaid Lend-Lease like 20% I do not remember exactly
  • BBM
    BBM 10 October 2013 17: 26 New
    -3
    Hooray! comrade Stalin (after all, an extremely rare Zionist s.ka)
  • catapractic
    catapractic 12 October 2013 15: 54 New
    0
    Comrade Stalin did this on his own and with money, unlike Israel -Comrade Stalin did it with the wrong hands as well, for example, with the hands of the Chinese in the Korean War ... and therefore he is a brilliant politician. There is no concept of honesty in politics, but a concept of expediency and protection of the interests of one’s country by any means.
  • Oberst_71
    Oberst_71 10 October 2013 09: 31 New
    +6
    Yes, it’s clear what I encountered, but it happened like with Leib Davidovich Bronstein and acted.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 10 October 2013 11: 30 New
    +4
    Quote: DezzeD
    Comrade Stalin also tried to push his opponents together.
    what's bad about it actually?


    The same comrade did not send terrorists to neighboring countries and did not finance state terrorism. The bad news is that terrorism in any form remains terrorism.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 10 October 2013 11: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: Geisenberg
      The same comrade did not send terrorists to neighboring countries and did not finance state terrorism. The bad news is that terrorism in any form remains terrorism.

      Who in. Stalin has nothing to do with it, but a certain Mr. Carlos, after his actions, was hiding in the countries of the socialist camp, and this is not a very good episode in our life. This is so, for the sake of objectivity.
    2. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 10 October 2013 14: 08 New
      +2
      The same comrade did not send terrorists to neighboring countries


      Does the name "Ramon Mercader" say nothing to you?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 10 October 2013 20: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Tourist Breakfast
        Does the name "Ramon Mercader" say nothing to you?

        This is a professional liquidator. But not a terrorist. Based on your logic, MOSAD falls under the definition of a terrorist organization. With his methods.
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 10 October 2013 22: 02 New
          0
          This is a professional liquidator. But not a terrorist. Based on your logic, MOSAD falls under the definition of a terrorist organization. With his methods.

          So the Mossad seems to be engaged in liquidations all over the world, and is not satisfied with terrorist attacks.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 10 October 2013 23: 37 New
            +2
            Quote: Tourist Breakfast
            This is a professional liquidator. But not a terrorist. Based on your logic, MOSAD falls under the definition of a terrorist organization. With his methods.

            So the Mossad seems to be engaged in liquidations all over the world, and is not satisfied with terrorist attacks.

            - they are trying to explain to you that Romka, who Ramon is not a terrorist, and Stalin did not deal with terrorism and its support. Figure it out. But MOSSAD, by its methods, when it’s just scientists, had only been called a nuclear physicist and was a Persian — they had only received the death sentence for this, it was already a terrorist organization and was to be dissolved.
  • duke
    duke 10 October 2013 17: 06 New
    +2
    in such a "friendly" environment, nothing else seems to be left ... in addition, the States have eliminated, through "controlled chaos", two serious opponents of Israel - Egypt and Syria, they are now not up to Israel, but Turkey and KSaravia are gaining strength ... while there is time for a respite ... I do not think that Iran will risk attacking, it does not need it at this stage ...
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 10 October 2013 08: 10 New
    +6
    Negotiations on Iran’s nuclear program, we add from ourselves, will be held in Geneva in the near future: October 15-16.
    And end in nothing hi
    1. rolik
      rolik 10 October 2013 10: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And end in nothing

      What should be expected))))
      But Iran has one goal, I wonder what all the same, Jews annoyed Iran ????))))) Here’s the statement about Carthage (Israel) that should be destroyed, which is repeated in Iran.
      1. In the reeds
        In the reeds 10 October 2013 14: 45 New
        -1
        Learn geography where Carthage was located. But the word on the line, wishing to be to the right of all words, runs the risk of being to the left of all, from the beginning of a new line.
        1. Deniska999
          Deniska999 10 October 2013 21: 17 New
          0
          And where is the geography? The expression "Carthage must be destroyed" has become a household word.
      2. Archibald
        Archibald 10 October 2013 20: 34 New
        -1
        Somehow, Iran needs to try to maintain its "rating" among the Muslim countries of the Middle East, they do not see other ways.
  • rolik
    rolik 10 October 2013 10: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: Su-9
    They fully understand that even if they beat a couple of times

    But in the end, fucking. how much the rope does not curl but still end. And when they beat it, it will be cleaner than Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Chernobyl, and Fukushima. Too many people, on too little square.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 10 October 2013 11: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: rolik
      because, in the end, they are fucking. how much the rope does not curl but still end. And when they beat it, it will be cleaner than Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Chernobyl, and Fukushima. Too many people, on too little square.

      - here such a question torments me - In here: AndIsrael does not like the prospects of normalizing the situation around Iran. This threatens Tel Aviv with the loss of political influence in the region. - Why does Israel need this influence? He is a country completely alien in mentality, therefore, there can be no influence, but if you live quietly and peacefully without trying to gain this influence, then they will allow him to live and even leave him alone. I do not understand - explain who can?
      1. In the reeds
        In the reeds 10 October 2013 14: 55 New
        -3
        Aksakal do not buy so cheaply, it wouldn’t be possible for us to strive for influence, we just survive and protect our homes and families. Otherwise, they would have long been from the Nile to Efrat.
        1. Volkolak
          Volkolak 10 October 2013 15: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: In the reeds
          we just survive

          Yeah, as much as the parasite can simply survive.
          1. atalef
            atalef 11 October 2013 07: 27 New
            -1
            Quote: VOLKOLAK
            Yeah, as much as the parasite can simply survive.

            Have you been banned for trolling and violating the rules of the site?
            Interesting . Who were you in a previous life? Ostap, Athlone or Ruslan?
        2. ymNIK1970
          ymNIK1970 10 October 2013 15: 39 New
          0
          HA HA HA All Israel was born in a ghetto in Muldavanka. If not for our Golda, then we have already forgotten such a country. Golda from Muldavanka is your swan song, that's all, there won’t be such a second ... And your current poets, where to compete with wise Persians. A people deprived of their native language is dead. You can live quietly. 2006 is only the first swallow. PS I'm sorry. Any nation has the right to happiness.
        3. Deniska999
          Deniska999 10 October 2013 21: 18 New
          0
          Do not wait, get around.
      2. Archibald
        Archibald 10 October 2013 20: 39 New
        0
        No one will leave him alone. For some of the Arabs, this is a means of subsistence, some Arab countries will have to give the Palestinians their territory (and before the Palestinians themselves, by and large, to them a light bulb). So only Israel is interested in a peaceful solution to the problem.
  • revnagan
    revnagan 10 October 2013 10: 57 New
    +3
    Quote: Su-9
    So they fight as they can.

    But at the same time they are categorically denied the right to fight, as everyone else can. A type of football where only the opposing team should have a goal.
    1. alone
      alone 10 October 2013 21: 58 New
      -1
      the most likely route is Jordan-Iraq-Iran. the rest is unrealistic.

      Turks will not let them through their territory. Turkey will not spoil relations with Iran.

      they will not go through Syria. there is Iranian intelligence. they can warn.

      through the Saudis too big a hook.
  • mirag2
    mirag2 11 October 2013 08: 41 New
    0
    To such an extent, Israel pisses Iran (judging by itself, it has a bomb itself), and is so used to putting pressure on the states that it is now cooperating with Saudi Arabia to together put pressure on the states.
    Can you imagine?
    And the emissary from the UAE even refused to accept at the White House!
    At the Pentagon, key officials were removed. And the NATO Secretary General said that it was impossible to solve the Syrian problem by military means.
    Now it can be called a victory.
  • os9165
    os9165 10 October 2013 07: 30 New
    +1
    As a result, we have just a “historical” balance of power: the West and Israel are waiting for the first decisions from Iran, and Iran is waiting for proposals from them. And we are taken into account, where are we not expecting anything from us?
  • a52333
    a52333 10 October 2013 07: 35 New
    14
    people of Iran, Persians, you don’t want your country to have nuclear weapons

    Israelis! And you do not want. I cant. The warheads themselves are near 500, and something else is blinking.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 10 October 2013 07: 41 New
      +3
      Jews illegally live there, illegally possess various WMDs, and still blather on their neighbors. What impudence.
      1. ruslan207
        ruslan207 10 October 2013 19: 40 New
        +1
        Igor39 - it’s just envy, and what does it mean that an illegally small country has achieved less than the Moscow region, it’s not necessary to blame anyone for blaming someone, what you have achieved in life is nothing true
    2. In the reeds
      In the reeds 10 October 2013 15: 09 New
      +1
      And did it bother you in any way? That will appear in Iran ... And you share the Caspian shelf. It’s easy for you, your pipe and to another place
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 10 October 2013 15: 57 New
        0
        Shove you faster laughing
  • Ihrek
    Ihrek 10 October 2013 07: 48 New
    12
    Why Iran can not have nuclear weapons and Israel can-is unfair.
    1. Dezzed
      Dezzed 10 October 2013 08: 31 New
      -24
      why not let Chechnya finally secede and develop nuclear weapons?

      this offer you probably a little bit but it looks strange right?
      1. Indigo
        Indigo 10 October 2013 08: 51 New
        +5
        And the global “love” for this people does not look strange, and for what?
        delusions of grandeur with delusions of persecution - it's you (DezzeD) ask the professor what schizophrenia is (Master and Margarita)
      2. bomg.77
        bomg.77 10 October 2013 09: 22 New
        +9
        Quote: DezzeD
        why not let Chechnya finally secede and develop nuclear weapons?
        Chechnya has decided and is part of the Russian Federation, and Russia has nuclear weapons, do not even hesitate yes
        1. Archibald
          Archibald 10 October 2013 20: 42 New
          0
          Do not tell Chechnya.
      3. Gromily4
        Gromily4 10 October 2013 09: 25 New
        +9
        They were already independent after the first Chechen one and did not enter the Russian Federation, but this independence of their own turned into the second Chechen (they themselves attacked Dagestan), so that after the victory in the 2nd Chechen one did not think to let them go free swimming. Since they do not want to work.
        1. Dezzed
          Dezzed 10 October 2013 09: 57 New
          -1
          owls I agree with you.
          and wanted to draw this parallel, who are our Muslim neighbors if not the same Chechens in principle?
          1. rolik
            rolik 10 October 2013 10: 43 New
            +9
            Quote: DezzeD
            I wanted to draw this parallel, who eats

            Cool parallel)))) As I understand it, Israel and Iran (in your words) have a common border. And Iran was part of Israel)))) You just do not say this to the Iranians)))))))
            And in order for Chechnya to build its own atomic bomb, brains are needed, and there are enough brains to only squeeze money))))
            1. Dezzed
              Dezzed 10 October 2013 11: 34 New
              -8
              Israel and Iran have a common border of different interests, Iran interferes with its own through Lebanon and Syria, for example.
              I wrote "neighbors", do you have anyone other than Iran on the map?
      4. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 10 October 2013 09: 29 New
        +8
        Quote: DezzeD
        why not let Chechnya finally secede and develop nuclear weapons?

        This must be so smoked laughing
        1. Dezzed
          Dezzed 10 October 2013 10: 00 New
          -5
          since student has thrown.

          and the proposal was written to show what to strike a balance between Jews and Muslims in the sense of at. arms confuses me
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 October 2013 10: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: DezzeD
            and the proposal was written to show what to balance between Jews and Muslims

            Given that your government is already yelling openly that al-Qaeda is preferable to Assad, you have successfully balanced. I'm afraid that there is a big gap between you and your views and your government.
            Quote: DezzeD
            since student has thrown.

            Yes, I didn’t mean cigarettes, I'm talking about best of the best tobacco wink
            1. Dezzed
              Dezzed 10 October 2013 11: 36 New
              -3
              I thought so :)

              I have a degree in cinema, what are simple cigarettes
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 10 October 2013 12: 33 New
                +5
                Quote: DezzeD
                I have a degree in cinema,

                Home video shoot wink
            2. atalef
              atalef 11 October 2013 07: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Given that your government is already yelling openly that al-Qaeda is preferable to Assad, you have successfully carried out a balance.

              Hi Sasha. Nobody yells. In general, the Syrian topic in the Israeli media is mentioned extremely rarely, as a rule
              Today, October 10, a 15-year-old teenager from Syria, injured in a mortar attack, was taken to a medical center in Safed. Doctors noted multiple shrapnel wounds to the head and the loss of a hand by a teenager. Currently, his condition is assessed as serious. Recall that in the Ziv hospital in Safed, 122 Syrians were assisted.

              And believe me, it outrages me no less than you. Well, why are we treating the Syrians, the country with which we still have practically a state of war (for my taxes), and in Russia I somehow did not see a single wounded (even a soldier) from Syria being cured.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              I am afraid that there is a big gap between you and your views and your government.

              No, Sash, by and large, the hunchback in Syria (at the moment) is ideal for us. Let them continue to kill each other, and through the efforts of Putin (many thanks to him - and I seriously hi ) Syria will be without chemical weapons.
          2. rolik
            rolik 10 October 2013 10: 44 New
            +8
            Quote: DezzeD
            since student has thrown.

            To this day it’s hanging laughing
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 10 October 2013 10: 50 New
              +8
              Quote: rolik
              And until now laughs

              He quit smoking, started injecting.
      5. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 10 October 2013 09: 32 New
        0
        Yes, let them develop nuclear weapons in Chechnya!
      6. IRBIS
        IRBIS 10 October 2013 09: 39 New
        +8
        Quote: DezzeD
        why not let Chechnya finally secede and develop nuclear weapons?

        this offer you probably a little bit but it looks strange right?

        Chechnya and Iran. As your fellow tribesmen say, feel the difference. And it is strange that you do not understand this. The States gave Israel a nuclear bomb, Iran is developing itself. What is the problem? In the collapse of your nuclear monopoly in the region? In a long-lasting point before someone can now answer in the same way?
        1. Oberst_71
          Oberst_71 10 October 2013 09: 42 New
          +6
          they don’t want to understand this. They won’t understand. They are exceptional. Just what ,,,
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 10 October 2013 10: 04 New
            +4
            Quote: Oberst_71
            They are exceptional. Just what ,,,

            To see what they are exceptional you need to go to the bath with them ...
            1. In the reeds
              In the reeds 10 October 2013 15: 21 New
              0
              In Majdanek pliz.
              1. IRBIS
                IRBIS 10 October 2013 16: 23 New
                +5
                Quote: In the reeds
                In Majdanek pliz.

                Yeah, and the Russians at that time at the front, “hid” in the trenches and “warmed themselves” in the burning tanks.
                There were many more Russians in concentration camps than your tribe. Only now we did not begin to invent a Holocaust, but simply crushed the nits that wanted to offend us. They did not wait for anyone, they themselves pressed.
                1. Volkolak
                  Volkolak 10 October 2013 17: 07 New
                  +1
                  Quote: IRBIS
                  There were many more Russians in concentration camps than your tribe. Only now we did not begin to invent a Holocaust, but simply crushed the nits that wanted to offend us. They did not wait for anyone, they themselves pressed.

                  So the whole idea about the "Lohokost", designed to get their own state. What has been done.
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 11 October 2013 00: 30 New
                    +1
                    Quote: VOLKOLAK
                    Quote: IRBIS
                    There were many more Russians in concentration camps than your tribe. Only now we did not begin to invent a Holocaust, but simply crushed the nits that wanted to offend us. They did not wait for anyone, they themselves pressed.

                    So the whole idea about the "Lohokost", designed to get their own state. What has been done.

                    - then they got more than they planned. They only wanted the state, and here also the payments from the side of the Holocaust from Germany, and their constant feeling of guilt ...
                    The fact that the Soviet people heroically laid a bunch of people from the heart, so that the Germans would bear their responsibility to the Jews - here are the Zionists (not Jews), the Zionists have forgotten! And they betrayed the USSR immediately after the creation of the Jewish state, to which the USSR also had a hand. It's a shame, for such a feature, the guys in our yards are stiffly asked, you can’t do this between the nations - there is no court, no article.
                    Listen here, reed. 60 years ago, you chose that guy as an ally. This guy is betraying you with Iran now, he does not want to fight with Iran. He wants - he doesn’t want, but this guy doesn’t have much left - all the dying signs are obvious - there is an overwhelming duty, a complete disintegration of society, a complete lack of morale among the soldiers, and the blatant lack of professionalism of this guy’s first person ... The whole set, in short. There will not be this guy - the West will cease to be dominant, you will become one of the centers of power. Russia and China will break out into dominants. Moreover
                    China will dominate the economy, investment and other things, Russia will dominate more in big politics and in the field of fundamental sciences ... So you have to somehow agree with Russia. What do you say to her for that betrayal? How do you make amends? Well, do not forget about ethnic genocide in those dashing years of the so-called. October Revolution, about the mass deeds of the same Zalkind. What can you say about this? How will you make amends for Russia?
              2. IGS
                IGS 11 October 2013 06: 28 New
                +1
                We did not send you there, we freed you from there, as well as other nationalities, of which there were no less. Then we gave you statehood. And what did you get in return? So do not be surprised that they do not love you. Someone wrote correctly, for such a face is beaten in the yard. You also sell your own. They don’t like this foulbrood.
          2. IGS
            IGS 10 October 2013 10: 58 New
            -1
            I answer the question soldier : differ in some refinements of character and upbringing, for example, quietly push all the minuses laughing
            1. IRBIS
              IRBIS 10 October 2013 11: 27 New
              +3
              Quote: IGS
              differ in some refinements of character and upbringing, for example, quietly push all the minuses

              Yes to hell with them, minuses! These "comrades" quietly can cram the other, which is not necessary, but what is needed - push against!
            2. In the reeds
              In the reeds 10 October 2013 15: 33 New
              -3
              I put you in a speakerphone. And Epaulettes sir is the price, blood. It’s not true and you will never be an officer, but like many forum users, do you understand the honor there ..
              1. IRBIS
                IRBIS 10 October 2013 16: 17 New
                +6
                Quote: In the reeds
                I put you in a loud

                It should be so.
                Quote: In the reeds
                And Epaulettes sir is the price, blood.

                Believe that I know this better than you.
                Quote: In the reeds
                It’s not and never will be you an officer, but like many forum users,

                I was and remain an officer, like many forum users. He didn’t get to the marshal, however, but for almost three decades he wore a rod in RD. Not in your pocket, mind you, in the taxiway. Learn to distinguish the comments of people serving civilians.
                Quote: In the reeds
                Do you understand the honor there ..

                Well, it’s not for you to teach me what officer honor means. There are those on the site who have the right to make comments on this matter to me, but you are not among them.
              2. IGS
                IGS 15 October 2013 07: 17 New
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                What comment? For this one? so does it mean nothing out of mischief? laughing So they showed their gut. And about honor, I won’t even think about discussing with you, the worse you are about me, the better. No one beats a dead dog.
        2. Dezzed
          Dezzed 10 October 2013 10: 08 New
          -11
          The USA / Russia also gave the Russia / USSR a nuclear bomb if you carefully look at its origin.

          the collapse of our nuclear monopoly in the region seems to have widespread consequences in different regions.

          Of course you don’t feed bread, just let me see how the Jews dance. look at the dance floor for everyone to go out. and the allies of Russia are Dagestan and Ingushetia.
          1. Oberst_71
            Oberst_71 10 October 2013 10: 12 New
            +4
            we don’t give it, we stole it. it sped things up a bit. and the first ones were created hydrogen.
            1. Firstvanguard
              Firstvanguard 10 October 2013 17: 50 New
              -2
              we don’t give it, we stole it. it sped things up a bit. and the first ones were created hydrogen.

              Do not smack nonsense if you do not know the subject.
          2. Romn
            Romn 10 October 2013 10: 15 New
            +5
            Dezzed
            What are you basing when you give analogies! ??
            Israel, to which no one permitted the poison itself. own weapons (but nonetheless they are) and disconnect the country's territory, and then another appearance of poison there. weapons !? You don’t think comparing these things is at least just silly, the levels are completely different!
            PS saying that Israel is good, why is it impossible for an independent country (talking about Iran now) to use the right to have poison. weapons !? Isn't this what democracy says that we are all equal, Iran also asks no one to help, but they do not give it all its strength to do so. If you do not give the right to have poison. weapons to neighbors, then be so kind as to hand over at least full international control! In Israel, there is nothing outstanding that would give him the right to own these weapons!
            1. Dezzed
              Dezzed 10 October 2013 11: 45 New
              -6
              Romn

              "Israel, which no one allowed this poison to own weapons."

              when and by whom and which country was permission to own the poison given. weapons?

              who allowed America, Russia, France, Pakistan, India and I still do not know who to have it?
              1. Romn
                Romn 10 October 2013 12: 07 New
                +3
                Dezzed
                Russia and the United States created it, France, England, China, India, well, these are great outstanding countries, beyond the power. What about Israel? laughing
                Where do you get it from? really steal? smile
                I think it’s time to take this toy from you so that they land on the ground ...
                1. Dezzed
                  Dezzed 10 October 2013 19: 56 New
                  0
                  "stole" this is the Soviet spies at "Manhattan"
                  1. Firstvanguard
                    Firstvanguard 11 October 2013 07: 52 New
                    +1
                    "stole" this is the Soviet spies at "Manhattan"

                    Of course, they didn’t forget to dig, the spies worked their bread to the fullest, only:
                    Research in the field of nuclear physics in the USSR has been conducted since 1918. In 1937 at
                    The Radium Institute (Leningrad) launched the first cyclotron in Europe. 25
                    November 1938 by the decree of the Presidium of the USSR Academy of Sciences (AN), a post-
                    The current Atomic Nuclear Commission. It included S. Vavilov, A. Iofe,
                    A. Alikhanov, I. Kurchatov and others (in 1940 V. Khlopin and I. Gurevich joined them).
                    By this time, nuclear research was carried out in more than ten scientific institutes.
                    tutah. In the same year, the Heavy Water Commission (later
                    transformed into the Isotope Commission). In September 1939 construction began
                    powerful cyclotron in Leningrad, and in April 1940. it was decided to build an experimental
                    installation for the production of about 15kg. heavy water per year. But because of what started
                    the war, these plans were not implemented. In May 1940 N. Semenov, Y. Zeldovich,
                    Y. Khariton (Institute of Chemical Physics) proposed a theory of nuclear chain development
                    reactions in uranium.
              2. Djozz
                Djozz 10 October 2013 12: 21 New
                +3
                So why are you refusing Iran!
                1. In the reeds
                  In the reeds 10 October 2013 15: 50 New
                  +3
                  Come on. He openly threatens to destroy us. Without any subjunctive. This probably doesn’t upset you at all, of course. But there is a small Jewish "but" He is with us the same blood ...
                  1. Volkolak
                    Volkolak 10 October 2013 17: 10 New
                    +3
                    Quote: In the reeds
                    Come on. He openly threatens to destroy us. Without any subjunctive. This probably doesn’t upset you at all, of course. But there is a small Jewish "but" He is with us the same blood ...

                    Are you like the most peaceful nation ?! And do not threaten anyone?
                    These are the words of the rabbi of the Sanhedrin (Spiritual Administration of the Jews in Russia) Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson.

                    1. Our special tactics of combating red-brown (and all Slavs are red-brown), because of its isolation, is Secret Knowledge. We will direct the main spearhead of the struggle against the Slavs, except for the renegades who became related to the Jews by the same interests. True, we will then withdraw these “related” ones after using them for our own purposes from our society. Slavs, and among them Russians, are the most rebellious people in the world. He is disobedient by virtue of the warehouse of his mental and mental abilities, laid down by many generations of ancestors, genes that can not be altered. Slav, Russian, can be destroyed, but never conquered. That is why this seed is subject to elimination, and at first - to a sharp reduction in its number.

                    2.
                    Our methods of struggle will not be military, but ideological and economic with the use of power structures equipped with the most modern types of weapons for the physical suppression of rebels with even greater cruelty than was done in October 1993 during the execution of the Supreme Council of Russia. First of all, we will divide all the Slavic peoples (300 million of them, half of them Russians) into small weakened countries with broken ties. Here we will use our old method: SHARE AND POWER. We will try to pit these countries together. Draw them into internecine wars with the goal of mutual destruction.
                    The Ukrainian will think that he is fighting against expansionist Russia, is fighting for his independence, he will think that he has finally gained his freedom, while he is completely dependent on us. The Russians will consider the same thing, as if they are defending their national interests, returning the lands “illegally” taken from them, and so on.
                    1. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 10 October 2013 17: 55 New
                      +3
                      Quote: VOLKOLAK

                      These are the words of the rabbi of the Sanhedrin (Spiritual Administration of the Jews in Russia) Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson.

                      You do not get tired of striking me with delirium. After the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple in 62 AD, Cinderion never convened. Rebbe Schneerson, leader of the Chabad-Love Movement, died in 1994 in the United States, where he lived since 1939. What are you reading?
                      1. Volkolak
                        Volkolak 10 October 2013 18: 37 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Aaron Zawi
                        You do not get tired of striking me with delirium. After the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple in 62 AD, Cinderion never convened. Rebbe Schneerson, leader of the Chabad-Love Movement, died in 1994 in the United States, where he lived since 1939. What are you reading?

                        Yes, I do not care from what year the Zionist fascists did not suit the gangway. And the more, in parallel, when and where, he gave the soul of Yahweh, the Lubavitcan poet. What matters is what this Zionist plague called for.
                        And yet, how did I only manage without your amendments?
                        And if you want to bazaar, blow to the Moroccans for shook hi
                      2. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 10 October 2013 19: 22 New
                        +1
                        Quote: VOLKOLAK

                        And yet, how did I only manage without your amendments?
                        And if you want to bazaar, blow to the Moroccans for shook hi

                        The conversation is over, I will still lose time for every yawn, like you.
                  2. Dezzed
                    Dezzed 10 October 2013 20: 00 New
                    +1
                    where does the rabbi from Russia? Is he the ruler of Israel?

                    I’ll also tell you the words of a repatriate (from Russia), uncle Petit's janitor, as an example of Russian politics, I’ll give you!
              3. tenere1200
                tenere1200 10 October 2013 23: 44 New
                0
                Quote: Djozz
                So why are you refusing Iran!

                And because, dear friend, they consider themselves exceptional. At first, the Führer considered himself and his people exceptional. Then the mattress covers with the Jews pulled themselves up. And they are absolutely sure that they can - and the rest do not. They are like an empire of good. They are for world peace. Only now, for a long time, everyone knows - dear defenders of the state of Israel in America - how much you did not sponsor secretly terrorism and destruction in different countries - but still everyone knows about it. see Dezdesa in the reeds movie. This is about you about everyone.http: //www.vesti.ru/only_video.html? Vid = 543048
            2. revnagan
              revnagan 10 October 2013 16: 10 New
              0
              Quote: DezzeD
              who allowed America, Russia, France, Pakistan, India

              ... Iran ...
          3. Doctorleg
            Doctorleg 10 October 2013 11: 47 New
            -1
            Something we strongly intercede for Iran? Do you like their ideology (rather religious beliefs and way of life and politics in accordance with them), foreign policy? It is not clear what Iran has against Israel. They never fought with him. But for some reason they periodically speak out for its destruction. And, of course, countries possessing nuclear weapons do not want any equality in this regard. Hence the non-proliferation treaty. A number of countries voluntarily abandoned it (South Africa, Brazil), although some created, while others could. And Europe, Japan, South Korea, Australia etc. create it is not a problem. But rejecting it is a conscious choice. The situation in Iran is not very stable, and a very radical comrade can come to power. By the way, Ayatollah Khomeini, and he is still revered by them, believed that the USSR is also an enemy and possibly larger than the United States. Due to the instability of the regime, no one is happy with the presence of a bomb from Pakistan, and at one time it was pressed for it (Saudi Arabia helped). At one time we were stupid, giving a bomb to China. In general, in this matter without equality. And if you defend it, so the Baltic States may want to. What will we say then? About equality?
            1. Romn
              Romn 10 October 2013 12: 12 New
              +1
              Doctorleg
              You would not be engaged in destabilizing the situation and arranging eternal revolutions and all possible movements (for example, the now supported and funded Alkaida) of the United States with Israel, you would not have such stereotyped thinking and opinion that if the country is Muslim, then something or something bad will definitely appear there. Israel is a clear example that poison weapons fell into the wrong hands, so it's time to bomb already, oh sorry, disarm this country !?
              1. Doctorleg
                Doctorleg 10 October 2013 17: 00 New
                +5
                Quote: Romn
                Doctorleg
                You would not be engaged in destabilizing the situation and arranging eternal revolutions and all possible movements (for example, the now supported and funded Alkaida) of the United States with Israel, you would not have such stereotyped thinking and opinion that if the country is Muslim, then something or something bad will definitely appear there. Israel is a clear example that poison weapons fell into the wrong hands, so it's time to bomb already, oh sorry, disarm this country !?


                I do not have such a stereotype. There are different Muslim countries. But Iran’s leadership is quite aggressive. And al-Qaeda has nothing to do with it. Iran has its own comrades whom they support and who can take the most suicidal step - he is promised paradise with the gurus for this. And the Arab countries were the first to attack Israel (not the Persians, I am aware). And disarm them somehow not with his hands. Very quickly then there will be no country. It’s bad that they have it, because wars go on constantly and if it happens that the defeat is close they can use it. But if 2 rivals have it, then the probability is greater - the probability of defeating Muslims will be more. And then Alahakbar and Krant
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 10 October 2013 14: 19 New
              0
              Quote: DoctorOleg
              Something we strongly intercede for Iran?

              Elementary Watson. laughing The enemy of my enemy is My friend.
              1. In the reeds
                In the reeds 10 October 2013 15: 59 New
                0
                Like a snake won't sting you
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 10 October 2013 16: 28 New
                  +1
                  Quote: In the reeds
                  Like a snake won't sting you

                  We can conjure snakes. laughing
                2. KazaK Bo
                  KazaK Bo 10 October 2013 18: 13 New
                  0
                  Quote: In the reeds
                  Like a snake won't sting you

                  ... I don’t want to let down the “POLANKS AND BALLS” on anyone ... but I am tormented by one question ... this is a question for you, representatives of a military-elected state, participants in this discussion, WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE THIS WORLD NOT TALKING ABOUT FORUMAN OF THIS SITE ??? Have you tried to ask this question yourself?
                  1. Dezzed
                    Dezzed 10 October 2013 20: 08 New
                    0
                    KazaK Bo

                    oh really! we’ll glue the flippers and move away ...

                    sorry sho bothered.
                  2. In the reeds
                    In the reeds 10 October 2013 22: 45 New
                    0
                    Well us, it is clear, "That our faith is an island of many faiths ..." But then you in the world ask yourself for what?
              2. Doctorleg
                Doctorleg 10 October 2013 17: 16 New
                +3
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Quote: DoctorOleg
                Something we strongly intercede for Iran?

                Elementary Watson. laughing The enemy of my enemy is My friend.


                Plusanul, because I think so. Only such a position does not suit me. The Americans are already running into this, having grown up the Taliban. Maybe, if you think about it, we can find such an error, but I will not argue. Unfortunately, there are very few who follow Bismarck’s thought - “Fools learn from their mistakes, are smart from strangers. They don’t learn from our lives (both we and they). Rather, the other wisdom is true:“ History teaches that it doesn’t teach anything. "In general, I’m becoming more and more convinced that those who act ethically win (also one of the wise ones said) win in the greater run. Although they can lose at short distances.
                And about friends: in Soviet times (70-80) he studied in the same class as the son of an Iraqi who fled from Iraq when the Arab Socialist Renaissance Party (Ba'ath) and then Hussein began to slaughter (literally) the Communists. Here is such a friend. My father-in-law, a responsible employee of the Central Committee of the CPSU, said that Hussein did not disdain himself to shoot someone in the office. In general, the slogan "he is a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch" is not mine. I wish the planet was cleaner
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 10 October 2013 17: 42 New
                  +2
                  Quote: DoctorOleg
                  Only such a position does not suit me. The Americans have come across this by growing the Taliban

                  They still steer them. They are used as a red chopper for ordinary Americans, justifying the arms race by fighting it.
                  1. Doctorleg
                    Doctorleg 10 October 2013 17: 46 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Quote: DoctorOleg
                    Only such a position does not suit me. The Americans have come across this by growing the Taliban

                    They still steer them. They are used as a red chopper for ordinary Americans, justifying the arms race by fighting it.

                    They rule us with the same success - here we will equip our army with new weapons for 20 trillion - which is not an excuse for an arms race wink
              3. alone
                alone 10 October 2013 22: 01 New
                0
                hi this is not always so. the enemy of my enemy does not mean that he is my friend))
        3. IGS
          IGS 10 October 2013 10: 32 New
          0
          We will see, of course, how you dance ... so they dance when the earth burns underfoot.
          1. In the reeds
            In the reeds 10 October 2013 23: 15 New
            +1
            A blind man will not see. It was already without dancing and music. Treblinka, Auschwitz. What disturbs you sir, that we agree to die only with weapons in our hands?
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 12 October 2013 16: 26 New
              0
              Quote: In the reeds
              It was already without dancing and music. Treblinka, Auschwitz. What disturbs you sir, that we agree to die only with weapons in our hands?

              Interestingly, where did you die in Treblinka and Auschwitz with weapons in your hands? Well, it’s clear that ours got there, like partisans, prisoners of war, underground workers. And how did your people get there in such numbers? With weapons in their hands?
              1. IGS
                IGS 15 October 2013 07: 44 New
                0
                They will carry blah blah for a long time, and how they were only killed and minus them, and that they are heroes with weapons in their hands, and in honor ... just not to answer the question: "WHY ISRAEL DOES NOT WANT TO PUT ITS NW UNDER INTERNATIONAL CONTROL? " . Or at least inform us about the state of its nuclear program and the number of nuclear weapons. I think their answer is simple: "We are taller than you, to report to you ... not mature enough." Only they think so, if it were as they think, they would be honestly told as it is, and they are so afraid to say it out loud.
            2. IGS
              IGS 15 October 2013 07: 13 New
              0
              Now you are doing the same for others. And you behave no better than Hitler, he was also exceptional. Do you recall the massacre on September 16 and 17, 1982? And as far as the blob Goebels rests.
        4. Gromily4
          Gromily4 10 October 2013 10: 44 New
          +4
          Well, that was not so. Ours could have done it independently without intelligence, but it would have taken more time, more funds for development (trial and error). And then amer’s plans arose, they decided to bomb the USSR with these nuclear bombs. What is there to do, I had to strain intelligence to get the necessary information and thereby accelerate the creation of its nuclear weapons. Ours wanted to do it their own way, but they were told no initiative, do it like the Americans did, so that it explodes, and only then realize your own ideas. At that time, it was impossible otherwise. And judge for yourself, the Americans did not suffer such huge losses in resources, people, and technology. They sat across the ocean and they didn’t have a war, and even boiled up on the world war. And we restore the country, and production, and much more. And here the Americans flirt with a nuclear club. So it’s not so simple.
        5. IRBIS
          IRBIS 10 October 2013 10: 58 New
          +7
          Quote: DezzeD
          the collapse of our nuclear monopoly in the region seems to have widespread consequences in different regions.

          The widespread consequences began with the advent of the state of Israel, actually. Before that, there was no such mess.
          Quote: DezzeD
          The USA / Russia also gave the Russia / USSR a nuclear bomb if you carefully look at its origin.

          Come on!? And they said that the Jews do not drink in the morning ...
          Quote: DezzeD
          Of course you don’t feed bread, just let me see how the Jews dance.

          No, bread is better. And what do you mean, huh?
        6. ultra
          ultra 10 October 2013 11: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: DezzeD
          and the allies of Russia are Dagestan and Ingushetia.

          They are not in the "allies", but as part of Russia, I think these are different concepts!
          1. Dezzed
            Dezzed 10 October 2013 11: 51 New
            -4
            anyway, take off your shoulder on your shoulder if necessary.

            honestly, I would not want to defend my homeland with them, it will be easier without them.

            I will ask: who is the ally of Russia?
            and you tell me: Russia does not need allies!
            Well, I: a good ally never bothers, much less secret
            1. ultra
              ultra 10 October 2013 12: 02 New
              +5
              Quote: DezzeD
              honestly, I would not want to defend my homeland with them, it will be easier without them.

              And it doesn’t matter to me the nationality of the one who will defend the Motherland (Russia)!
              1. Dezzed
                Dezzed 10 October 2013 20: 14 New
                +1
                I'm not talking about racism but about motivation.

                Russian for the Chechen occupier and not kolega! Do you think that Chechens will die with bones so that in Saratov the children sleep peacefully?

                minus go gentlemen!
            2. Oberst_71
              Oberst_71 10 October 2013 12: 57 New
              +2
              “In the whole world we have only two faithful allies - our army and navy. Everyone else, at the earliest opportunity, will take up arms against us. ”
              Alexander III
            3. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 10 October 2013 14: 26 New
              +2
              Quote: DezzeD
              I will ask: who is the ally of Russia?

              Army and Navy. Are you so illiterate? fool And Russia needs to be written with a capital letter.
      7. rolik
        rolik 10 October 2013 10: 46 New
        +7
        Quote: IRBIS
        The States gave Israel a nuclear bomb, Iran is developing itself. What is the problem?

        They want us to give the bomb to Iran))))))))) This is to be honest)))) They are right, honest, and decent guys))))
        1. In the reeds
          In the reeds 10 October 2013 23: 47 New
          -1
          Well, supposedly, how did the German tankers prepare for the Second World War? Honestly.
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 12 October 2013 16: 34 New
            0
            Quote: In the reeds
            Well, supposedly, how did the German tankers prepare for the Second World War? Honestly.

            Well, I say, leave such primitive stuffing to the Arabs. The war began in 1941, and large-scale military-technical cooperation between the USSR and Germany ended immediately after Shiklgruber came to power in 1933. Before the war, 8 years remained! And we will not talk about who it was funded by the German Chancellor by blood, etc.
            And, by the way, the cooperation between the two rogue states until the age of 33 was mutually beneficial — we urgently needed samples of the latest technology (and we got them), Guderian learned to drive tanks (we looked closely).
      8. Dezzed
        Dezzed 10 October 2013 11: 39 New
        -3
        Sorry for the French, but "by themselves" they’ll be faster at developing * females than a thermonuclear reaction.
        can someone help ah guys?
        1. Oberst_71
          Oberst_71 10 October 2013 12: 00 New
          +5
          there is some truth. certainly helps. Allah!
          1. rolik
            rolik 10 October 2013 12: 03 New
            +3
            Quote: Oberst_71
            . certainly helps. Allah!

            Of course, of course)))) as I forgot)))) In this matter Allah helps them, and also the centrifuges made according to the drawings ..... everything, I’m silent. So that parity will be soon. Soon, two countries will be able to measure on equal footing, who has more and thicker)))
            1. Oberst_71
              Oberst_71 10 October 2013 12: 19 New
              0
              and they are all circumcised. because maddening!
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 10 October 2013 23: 01 New
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                Quote: Oberst_71
                and they are all circumcised. because maddening!

                So cropped both there and there, so that doesn’t count.
            2. In the reeds
              In the reeds 10 October 2013 23: 54 New
              0
              Yes, you have to measure one seventh sushi ... Do not lift the jack
      9. In the reeds
        In the reeds 10 October 2013 22: 57 New
        0
        Well, you, and the "officer." Ours does not threaten anyone. It will be with Iran will be with everyone, the Saudis, Egypt and there is no end to your friends list
      10. atalef
        atalef 11 October 2013 07: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: IRBIS
        The United States gave Israel a nuclear bomb

        Well, this is not true, there is enough information in VIKI - so do not write nonsense-- developed yourself, there were always enough goals here

        Quote: IRBIS
        Iran is developing itself. What is the problem?

        But this is true (if you do not take into account the help of S. Korea and Aga Khan (Pakistan)
        Yes, and there is no problem, Russia will get another nuclear power under the yuok (Someone hopes that the day after receiving nuclear weapons, Iran will hit Israel) Stupidity. The next step, Iran will spread its fingers and with it (including Russia) We will have to speak on equal terms (at least along the border of the Caspian) Well, in the wake of nuclear Iran - 100% and Turkey and Saudi Arabia will automatically begin to develop nuclear weapons and no one, I repeat no one will not be able to stop them. no one will tolerate nuclear Iran at its borders. A good scenario for the future, taking into account the fact that Turkey and Saudi Arabia (if they receive nuclear weapons) have the same as there are no fewer enemies and the nuclear weapons will spread around the world. And no one will stop it. Will Russia make it easier? I doubt it. The nuclear weapons in Israel (since the 60s) did not lead either to a nuclear arms race or to destabilize the situation in the BV (oddly enough, they attacked us) In the case of nuclear Iran, the situation will develop in a completely different direction. and Russia understands this perfectly. therefore participates in sanctions
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 10 October 2013 10: 12 New
      +7
      Quote: DezzeD
      why not let Chechnya finally secede and develop nuclear weapons?

      this offer you probably a little bit but it looks strange right?

      And what about Chechnya? Or will you tell us now that Iran is an area in Israel that requires self-determination right up to secession? laughing With this analogy, my friend you will not go far. Give other examples.
    3. IGS
      IGS 10 October 2013 10: 15 New
      +8
      Tell me, are Russians worse than you? Below you, the "chosen people"? Why do we report and keep our nuclear weapons under control, and you think that no one decree is for you, you are the wisest and most intelligent. If a serious mess happens, you will use it without hesitation, your strategy for “terror-even greater terror” has not and will not solve the problem, you have megalomania, which is why you yourself suffer. But I do not want to suffer because of your complexes. We in Chechnya stopped the bloodshed, somehow, yes, for the money, a purely American way to put on a short leash. How long has this tragedy been going on for 10 years, 20 years ... it seems that in 1948 there was the first Arab-Israeli war? It doesn’t get any better, and I'm afraid it will only get worse when all these bearded men go to you, with whom they play strange games, being on the same side with the USA ... then you slam the door, slam all 500 vigorously (by the way .. why do you need so much?), and you will spit out that those who are not involved in all this will suffer, you will not care about the whole world. Or is it blackmail? So that the whole world cherishes you, the "God-chosen", so as not to slam. You yourself have chosen your path, and I do not want my children to suffer because of you.
      1. Hug
        Hug 10 October 2013 10: 59 New
        -3
        IGS RU: "... How long has this tragedy been going on for 10 years, 20 years ... it seems that in 1948 there was the first Arab-Israeli war? It doesn't get any better ..."


        Dear, you mixed up cause and effect relationships and, moreover, mixed porridge, honey, g-o-n-o and bees - who first attacked whom? Who still does not recognize Israel’s right to exist? And why did the USSR rightfully annex the Prussia rightfully with the aggressor after the war, and the Golan Heights are blamed on Israel? Just don’t tell me that Prussia is a Russian historical region, and Jews never lived in the Golan Heights. Although it will become with you, as with many others on this site, who consider the Holocaust a fairy tale.
        1. IGS
          IGS 10 October 2013 11: 28 New
          +2
          And what does Prussia have to do with it? Dutch heights? I, like, wrote about something else. But once touched. Tell me, who during the war suffered more Russians or Jews? I do not deny the Holocaust, as you call it. I deny sticking out my exceptional "suffering", forgetting about other nations. I don’t need to threaten, I’m not afraid of people, and my sins before God ... is it our business with Him ... or are you putting yourself on a par with Him? Well, these are your problems, as well as the fact that you can not use some expressions, so as not to write through the dash, although ... as an indicator ...
        2. rolik
          rolik 10 October 2013 11: 32 New
          +7
          Quote: Kram
          And why did the USSR rightfully have annexed Prussia to the aggressor after the war

          For details, please, which areas have been annexed. and why, all of a sudden, dear Hitler Youth, the USSR became the second World aggressor. Or you, too, the bitterness of a well-kicked ass calmly does not let you fall asleep))))
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 10 October 2013 23: 04 New
            0
            Quote: rolik
            Details

            Hello. How is the situation at the factory? Because of the "Mace" has not worsened?
        3. Oberst_71
          Oberst_71 10 October 2013 12: 12 New
          0
          horror story!
        4. Oberst_71
          Oberst_71 10 October 2013 12: 20 New
          +1
          and I’m looking at you not in Israel. Not in the Golan Heights, but in Germany.
        5. Djozz
          Djozz 10 October 2013 12: 29 New
          +1
          Can you explain about the touching friendship of the Zionists with the Nazis in the 30s, I don’t think the Holocaust is a fairy tale, I do not agree with the alleged 6 million. exterminated Jews! The figure is much lower. But, still, this is a tragedy.
        6. revnagan
          revnagan 10 October 2013 16: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: Kram
          And why did the USSR rightfully have annexed Prussia to the aggressor after the war

          And here I’ll ask in more detail. About the aggressors in the Great Patriotic War. You already enlighten the public, a citizen under the German flag, who was the aggressor in that war? What, Nuremberg like you are not a decree? And make it clear how the Slavic Krolevets turned to German Koenigsberg? I'm all-attention.
          Quote: Kram
          Just don’t tell me that Prussia is a Russian historical region, and Jews never lived in the Golan Heights.

          Just do not need demagogy: “The historical region” and “Jews lived there” are two big differences, as they say in Odessa. A lot of other peoples lived there with Jews — that's the same, now each of these peoples has the right to occupy Gollan ? And in East Prussia, the newly arrived Germans simply destroyed the local Slavs and took their place. In general, they (the Slavs with the Fritz) never lived there.
        7. Rapier
          Rapier 11 October 2013 16: 22 New
          -1
          With what fright Prussia is a Russian historical region?
          There, Russia did not smell in the past 700 years.
      2. rolik
        rolik 10 October 2013 11: 28 New
        +6
        Quote: IGS
        Tell me, are Russians worse than you? Below you, the "chosen people"?

        A little bit wrong: the Slavs are the children of God, and the Jews are the servants of God. So who is closer to the Lord, a slave or a son (grandson) of God ??? The answer, in my opinion, is extremely clear))))
        As for God's election, they themselves came up with such a legend))) so that it would not be so offensive)))
        1. IGS
          IGS 10 October 2013 11: 53 New
          +4
          Shhhhh, or you open their eyes to them, and they are such, according to a long, popular tradition, nails to the cross wassat
          1. rolik
            rolik 10 October 2013 12: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: IGS
            and they are such, according to a long, popular tradition, nails to the cross

            Oh scared scared belay )))))
            1. In the reeds
              In the reeds 10 October 2013 16: 11 New
              +1
              Nailed yes that's not yours
              1. rolik
                rolik 10 October 2013 16: 15 New
                +1
                Quote: In the reeds
                Nailed yes that's not yours

                Ah, that was your personal Jesus))))
                Straight Depeche Mod remembered)))) "Personal Jesus"
                Reach out and touch the faith ...
                Your own personal Jesus
                The one who hears your prayers
                One who takes care ...
                Your personal, own Jesus -
                The one who hears your prayers
                The one who will be near ..
              2. IGS
                IGS 10 October 2013 17: 42 New
                0
                So admit that you were wrong? Not even two thousand years have passed laughing Or just admit that they nailed? repeat
          2. Archibald
            Archibald 10 October 2013 20: 55 New
            0
            They are only their own nails, this does not apply to you.
      3. 123123123
        123123123 10 October 2013 13: 57 New
        +2
        I support at 100% !!! Israel needs to be disarmed !!
        1. crisis
          crisis 10 October 2013 22: 04 New
          +1
          Only after you
    4. revnagan
      revnagan 10 October 2013 11: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: DezzeD
      why not let Chechnya finally secede and develop nuclear weapons?

      Well, after Israel “allows Iran to separate” from itself, I think this issue can be resolved laughing
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 10 October 2013 11: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: revnagan

        Well, after Israel "gives separation" to Iran

        And that Iran is the territory of Israel, Ayatola will find out and ...... wassat
    5. Djozz
      Djozz 10 October 2013 12: 16 New
      +1
      And that Iran used to be part of Israel?
    6. consul
      consul 10 October 2013 12: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: DezzeD
      why not let Chechnya finally secede and develop nuclear weapons?

      Funny you compared Israel with the territory of Russia under the name Chechnya (in which mountains are actually Chechen land).
    7. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 10 October 2013 13: 37 New
      +3
      Chesney in the Russian Federation. Iran is not part of Israel; moreover, it does not even border Israel.
    8. Garik
      Garik 10 October 2013 14: 46 New
      0
      Interesting perspective. The conversation is not about the separation of historical, primordial lands. The question of the relationship of two sovereign states is touched. So in this comment, common sense is as much as in your nickname.
    9. Ivanovich47
      Ivanovich47 10 October 2013 15: 50 New
      +1
      Let it be known to you, in Chechnya, after the end of the war, a referendum was held on the topic: Do you want to remain part of Russia or leave? The answer of the Chechens (the vast majority): we want to remain part of Russia. So that your proposal is not strange but stupid. Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. I suggest you hold such a referendum in Palestine.
      1. Dezzed
        Dezzed 10 October 2013 20: 19 New
        -1
        Comrade VoVan will also hold a referendum of no such kind in Russia.
        he’s doing well with the elections
    10. a52333
      a52333 12 October 2013 16: 00 New
      0
      But Chechnya has it. laughing laughing Is Chechnya not a subject of the Russian Federation? The button in Moscow is true. You, dear, do not confuse Chechnya and the bearded thugs who hid in the mountainous-wooded area.
  • faraon
    faraon 10 October 2013 10: 03 New
    -5
    What do you see is not justice?
    In the previous commentary I described the essence of the problem, and for you I will briefly repeat myself. That Iran with its unstable regime, which threatens Israel to wipe it into powder, and then other countries will follow Israel. This should be peaceful and not military. But in this case, under the cover of a peaceful atom, nuclear weapons are created, which will significantly change the distribution of forces in the Middle East and Central Asian region.
    And lastly, Israel has this type of weaponry and no one hides it, and everything on the forum is not talking about the highest instances of the UN, Magat, and other organizations. But to whom it threatens, you heard about this so that Israel would rattle with nuclear weapons. which country in the first place he will erase in powder.
    This is the essence of the problem. But it is not that Iran will launch another energy unit and switch to using cheaper energy economically and ecologically
    1. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 10 October 2013 10: 17 New
      +3
      it is clear that the Arabs hell knows what in Bosko.
    2. Romn
      Romn 10 October 2013 10: 20 New
      +3
      faraon
      And on the example of recent events in Syria, when Israel launched air strikes on the territory of a sovereign country, is this not a clanging of origins !? Open statements against many camps, this is not a rattling of weapons! ?? Painfully impudently and impudently, Israel began to feel under amers, and even that poison. the weapon adds a voice!
      If there weren’t peace in the region, Israel would reign!
      1. Dezzed
        Dezzed 10 October 2013 12: 05 New
        -5
        In 1967, the “Americans” wrote something like this to Israel: start the war first, we don’t know you, we won’t help you, and we won’t come to the funeral.

        Levi Eshkol was tormented by dark thoughts .... and 3 Arab armies then came to re-equip the USSR.

        so without the amers


        "If there weren’t peace in the region, there would be peace!"

        such words will not be rushed. because the logic you get is this:

        Before Israel, peace would reign in the region! you can scroll down. 1948 and below!
      2. faraon
        faraon 10 October 2013 16: 25 New
        -4
        What do you mean, those bombings have a direct answer, the Sovereign State of Syria was told through diplomatic channels not to deliver weapons to Hezbollah, these are our opponents. Assad didn’t understand, then they again told him through intermediaries and warned about the reaction if he transferred weapons to Hezbollah. in the end, we have what we have, hezbola has no weapons. Assad is fighting with his Mujahideen. And he does not even look towards Israel.
        And what about Israel for you, in Assad, Syria allowed the opposition to make war on the ruling regime, and here Israel is the miscalculations of Assad. He did not want to carry out the reforms that his people demanded, and the people could no longer wait for these reforms. The classic formula; the top did not want to , and the lower classes have not been able to.
        What is the impudence of Israel? That he observes the interests of his state. And where does the Americans? YOU, dear, understand the matter and then be a lawyer to the fraternal Arab people.
        1. tenere1200
          tenere1200 11 October 2013 00: 07 New
          0
          http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=543048
          and you look. here it’s just about the “Americans nothing”
      3. Archibald
        Archibald 10 October 2013 20: 58 New
        +1
        Good example. But there would be no Russia, there would be a world caliphate.
    3. rolik
      rolik 10 October 2013 11: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: faraon
      .In the fact that Iran, with its unstable regime, which threatens Israel to wipe it into powder,

      This is a consequence, not a reason)))) Iran does not want to powder South Korea, Tunisia and a bunch of countries (Israel is not included in this bunch). Why do not you voice the reason why Iran wants to gouge you specifically))))
    4. Volkolak
      Volkolak 10 October 2013 15: 34 New
      0
      Quote: faraon
      What do you see is not justice?

      I think the lamentations of the leaders of Israel about the allegedly military component of Iran’s nuclear program are absurd and absurd. Honed, unlike the Israeli, for the generation of electricity.
  • Alikovo
    Alikovo 10 October 2013 07: 56 New
    +3
    In addition to nuclear weapons, Israel has chemical weapons and bio-weapons. Jews own only 30-40% of the territory of Israel.
  • Ulysses
    Ulysses 10 October 2013 08: 11 New
    +3
    Netanyahu’s belligerence and intransigence confuses even John Kerry, who recently shook the Syrian test tube. “You must first use the existing set of medicines before moving on to new ones,” said the US Secretary of State.


    Along the way, even in Washington, they are beginning to recognize who the true arsonist of wars in the East is.
    1. Dezzed
      Dezzed 10 October 2013 08: 34 New
      -15
      correctly! Russia would have taken an example.

      in Chechnya it was necessary to use a demagogic set of drugs and you immediately go for the tanks.
      and Chechen affectionate word nice
      1. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 10 October 2013 09: 37 New
        10
        One Arabic manuscript explicitly states that Chechens are descendants of the Khazars and Jews: a late Arabic manuscript stored in one of Chechen personal libraries. Two of its parts were copied in the month of Ramadan 1309 on. (1891)
        1. Dezzed
          Dezzed 10 October 2013 10: 13 New
          -7
          of course!

          There is information that the Tatar-Mongol yoke was all Jewish. and of course the waffen ss is also shorter than all the bastards - the Jews.

          everything is now all points are apart.
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 10 October 2013 10: 17 New
            +4
            Quote: DezzeD
            of course!

            There is information that the Tatar-Mongol yoke was all Jewish. and of course the waffen ss is also shorter than all the bastards - the Jews.

            everything is now all points are apart.

            Do not distort Dear.
            1. Dezzed
              Dezzed 10 October 2013 12: 06 New
              -2
              But the fact that the Chechens Jews do not bother you?
              1. Oberst_71
                Oberst_71 10 October 2013 12: 14 New
                0
                yes! they are also favorites. Allah gives them money!
          2. Oberst_71
            Oberst_71 10 October 2013 10: 19 New
            +1
            no, what are you. Not all.
          3. Oberst_71
            Oberst_71 10 October 2013 10: 20 New
            +1
            and I read this topic on the Jewish forum
          4. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 October 2013 10: 31 New
            +6
            Quote: DezzeD
            There is information that the Tatar-Mongol yoke was all Jewish. and of course the waffen ss is also shorter than all the bastards - the Jews.

            Well, think, Putin is also a Jew, and that laughing I'll tell you even more, all the Jews are here wassat
            1. Romn
              Romn 10 October 2013 10: 55 New
              +4
              Alexander Romanov
              Ahahahah good
          5. rolik
            rolik 10 October 2013 12: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: DezzeD
            everything is now all points are apart.

            Now do not get out))))
          6. Djozz
            Djozz 10 October 2013 12: 34 New
            +2
            And that the Jews did not fight as part of the Wehrmacht in World War II?
            1. shpuntik
              shpuntik 10 October 2013 18: 57 New
              +2
              Djozz RU Today, 12:34 ↑
              And that the Jews did not fight as part of the Wehrmacht in World War II?

              Ordinary, in the trenches, not seen. Mostly in the SS Sonderkommando and in the leadership of the Third Reich. Here is a typical German: Goebbels, Paul Joseph (Goebbels), (1897-1945).

              Give me the media and I will make a herd of pigs from any nation.
            2. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 10 October 2013 19: 28 New
              +3
              Quote: Djozz
              And that the Jews did not fight as part of the Wehrmacht in World War II?

              Jews in WWII in the ranks of the Wehrmacht did not fight because of laws on "purity of race." In 1940, all half-breeds were also demobilized. According to a number of studies, up to 150 thousand German soldiers were “misleagles,” that is, Germans who had up to 1/4 of Jewish blood. The Nazis considered them to be second-rate, but Germans and mobilized on a common basis.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 10 October 2013 20: 32 New
                0
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                In 1940, all half-breeds were also demobilized.

                By mom or dad? Do you understand what I'm talking about. laughing
                1. In the reeds
                  In the reeds 11 October 2013 00: 13 New
                  -2
                  By blood you don’t understand we have less alcohol in it
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 11 October 2013 09: 47 New
                    0
                    Quote: In the reeds
                    By blood you don’t understand we have less alcohol in it

                    About your blood, half-breed Cesare Lombroso was perfectly expressed. A psychiatrist with a capital letter.
                2. shpuntik
                  shpuntik 11 October 2013 04: 39 New
                  +1
                  Ingvar 72 RU Yesterday, 20:32 ↑ New
                  By mom or dad? Do you understand what I'm talking about. laughing

                  Ingvar, don’t fool, why? There is not much difference. Aron answered in a balanced manner, without emotion, +. We must understand that such a senility, as was in the Third Reich, a person could not have come up with. This is the enemy of the human mind.
                  These are the Jews to my liking, think about the words said 3000 years ago:

                  Build your heart purely in me, God, and renew the spirit of rights in my womb. Thou shalt not cast away from Thy face, and thy Holy Spirit, that is not taken from me. May you rejoice in the joy of Your salvation and establish me as your Master Spirit. I will teach the wicked in thy way, and wickedness will turn to you. Spare me the blood God, God of my salvation, my tongue will rejoice at Thy truth. Lord, open my mouth, and my mouth will declare thy praise. As if I would have been thrilled if you had sacrificed, I had given you slaughter: don’t please the burnt offering. Sacrifice to God spirit is broken; heart broken and humble God will not humiliate. God bless Thy grace of Zion, and may the walls of Jerusalem be built up. Then favor the sacrifice of truth, the offering, and the burnt offering; then they will lay the calves on the altar.

      2. Hug
        Hug 10 October 2013 11: 02 New
        -2
        Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!
  • svskor80
    svskor80 10 October 2013 08: 31 New
    +1
    "Israel is angry because it understands that its sword has become dull, and Iran is growing stronger day by day"

    Absolutely ridiculous statement for the head of the country which can be attacked by two states (at least the United States and Israel), each of which is able to solve the problem alone. Russia and China should be asked to prevent the beating of the Persians.
    1. Metlik
      Metlik 10 October 2013 09: 05 New
      +5
      Quote: svskor80
      Absolutely ridiculous statement for the head of the country that can be attacked by two states (at least the United States and Israel), each of which is able to solve the problem alone.

      Attacking and capturing are two different things. I doubt that the United States and Israel are now capable of this even together.
      1. Dezzed
        Dezzed 10 October 2013 10: 16 New
        0
        why should they capture? what military or other meaning?

        Is Israel "can lead a land war on a dist. 1500 km?
        1. Metlik
          Metlik 10 October 2013 15: 19 New
          +2
          Quote: DezzeD
          Is Israel "can lead a land war on a dist. 1500 km?

          Indeed, Israel’s tanks and heavy armored vehicles are categorized as “inviolable”. The plane will not pick them up. Well, nothing, the mattresses will come up with something, they are already tired of fighting for others.
  • Sars
    Sars 10 October 2013 08: 36 New
    +8
    Quote: Ulysses
    Along the way, even in Washington, they are beginning to recognize who the true arsonist of wars in the East is.

    Obymych from Netanyha already and since it is repulsed from the annoying fly.
    1. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 10 October 2013 09: 40 New
      +6
      so why is the crisis in the usa. Jews again. And then Janet Yellen was put on the Fed. Has Jewish roots, professes Judaism. America completely disappeared.
  • darksoul
    darksoul 10 October 2013 08: 49 New
    +3
    That is how I wouldn’t want to push our enemies on our heads, sorry dear Jews, it just so happened that we are not friends. But if there is a war with Iran, crowds of immigrants will swim into our territory as well. We don’t need it
  • The gentleman
    The gentleman 10 October 2013 08: 58 New
    +5
    Israel’s policy is like an expression — and eat fish and ride on a swing. Of course, the desire to be the strongest in the region and use the onslaught of other countries from outside is normal. but the argument used by Israel and calling on the international community to influence Iran looks completely stupid. America is already involved in many conflicts. Afghanistan, Iraq are still unresolved. It’s still dangerous to climb into Syria. Moreover, there are problems inside the country. wait for changes in the region do not have to, I think in the future the Arab countries will already put pressure on Israel
  • Ddhal
    Ddhal 10 October 2013 09: 13 New
    +6
    What is in this news? Usual things.
    “Live and let die” is a historically determined slogan of any state.
    Only our Mother Russia helped the peoples for their faith ...
  • Oberst_71
    Oberst_71 10 October 2013 09: 28 New
    +6
    Well, as soon as things concern Iran and Syria, angry Jews appear.
    1. Dezzed
      Dezzed 10 October 2013 10: 19 New
      -4
      we didn’t go anywhere ... we are always here ...
      1. Romn
        Romn 10 October 2013 10: 29 New
        +3
        In all recent history, Syria was the first place where Israel was broken off from the United States! Now we’ll place S-300 on the entire Syrian-Israeli border and see how you fly and bomb further, then we laugh!
        God forbid that the United States still fell apart ... wink
        1. Djozz
          Djozz 10 October 2013 12: 38 New
          +1
          Well, why before that, there was Lebanon.
      2. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 10 October 2013 10: 45 New
        0
        but we know and wait.
  • faraon
    faraon 10 October 2013 09: 50 New
    -5
    [quote = Igor39] Jews illegally live there, illegally possess various WMDs, and still blather on their neighbors. What impudence. [/ quote
    Dear opponent, we will start with the legality of Jews living in Israel. Since ancient times, Jews lived in Israel, and there has always been their presence in Jerusalem, which is confirmed in the Torah, the Bible, as well as in other historical sources confirming this fact. of what concerns modern history since 1948, the UN General Assembly decided to create the state of Israel with the direct participation of the USSR (i.e., the USSR with whose opinion it was considered completely and irrevocably advocated for creating a national center for the Jewish people as a percentage of the most the victim in the Second World War, and this is an established fact that cannot be denied).
    It concerns the possession of all types of weapons listed by you. Yes, it is present and no one denies it. The historical experience of wars and subsequent threats from the Arab neighbors says that Israel should, if necessary, give a decent response to any aggressor, so that there would be no second Holocaust.
    And finally, the last Israel before the Iranian revolution had a peace treaty with Iran, participated in many joint projects with Iran. But with the coming of the Iranian revolution’s guards, the Iranian side terminated the treaty and openly threatened the existence of the state of Israel, and this is not news for the world community and everyone knows about it (unless you are aware) What should be the reaction of Israel to these threats? Like any normal state that is threatened by its existence.
    Israel is not opposed to Iran’s nuclear program, but under the supervision of the UN, IAEA, and the entire world community, this program should be carried out for peaceful purposes, like the construction of nuclear power plants, and not the creation of nuclear weapons under the guise of a peaceful atom, which in itself entails a change in the size forces in the Middle East.
    This is the main and main aspect of the problem that humanity will have to face in the twenty-first century. And not only Israel alone.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 10 October 2013 10: 17 New
      +6
      The Torah and the Bible is not a historical document, but Jewish fairy tales. You refer to UN resolutions, and why then, together with your arrogant allies, urge Iran to bomb without any resolutions?
      1. faraon
        faraon 10 October 2013 11: 01 New
        -2
        Well, if for you these are not historical documents, then there are other facts confirming the Jewish presence on the territory of Palestine since ancient times. Such as archaeological artefacts of the presence of Jews in Jerusalem.
        Nobody calls for bombing Iran, they call the leash to stop Iran’s nuclear program, at the current time it is being conducted at the diplomatic level. Well, and if they don’t agree, the military will start talking, but again not by bombing Iran, but by destroying nuclear facilities.
        1. Oberst_71
          Oberst_71 10 October 2013 11: 08 New
          +3
          and in Palestine, where did they come from?
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 10 October 2013 10: 20 New
      +7
      If the Jews roamed there once as gypsies, this does not mean that this land is yours.
    3. revnagan
      revnagan 10 October 2013 11: 21 New
      +6
      Quote: faraon
      Israel is not opposed to Iran’s nuclear program, but under the supervision of the UN, IAEA, and the entire world community, this program should be carried out for peaceful purposes, like the construction of nuclear power plants, and not the creation of nuclear weapons under the guise of a peaceful atom, which in itself entails a change in the size forces in the Middle East.

      Excuse me, but under whose supervision was Israel implementing its nuclear program? UN? IAEA? Or the entire world community? So, what is supposed to be for Jupiter, not for the bull?
      1. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 10 October 2013 11: 41 New
        -4
        Excuse me, but under whose supervision was Israel implementing its nuclear program? UN? IAEA? Or the entire world community? So, what is supposed to be for Jupiter, not for the bull?


        Iran gained access to nuclear technology only because it signed the NPT. Israel did not sign the NPT, unlike Iran. Therefore, Israel did not violate anything.
        1. Djozz
          Djozz 10 October 2013 12: 53 New
          +6
          So sign, without any Jewish stuff!
    4. Deniska999
      Deniska999 10 October 2013 21: 20 New
      +1
      Did the Romans kick you out in 79, forget? The Greeks kicked out, the Romans kicked out, the Arabs kicked out. Then Italy should lay claim to the whole Mediterranean.
    5. Rapier
      Rapier 11 October 2013 16: 31 New
      +2
      Dear opponent, let's start with the legality of the residence of Jews in Israel. Since ancient times, Jews have lived in Israel .....
      Dear, you did not live there, before the exodus from Egypt. Therefore, to claim the beginning of your story from these places is not correct.
  • falcon
    falcon 10 October 2013 10: 04 New
    +5
    You listen to Netanyahu and you get a strong feeling that the Israelis are a harmless herd
    sheep grazing peacefully on the fields of the Promised Land, and everyone passing by strives to undeserving them-
    but offend already since 1948. Right stingy tear of tenderness breaks through!
    1. faraon
      faraon 10 October 2013 11: 11 New
      -4
      Do not listen to Netonyahu, refer to historical facts. From 1948 to the present day there have been 5 wars and countless inter-regional conflicts aimed at the destruction of the state of ISRAEL
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 10 October 2013 12: 55 New
        +4
        And, who was engaged in terror in the mandated England of Palestine in the 40s, probably Pushkin!
  • falcon
    falcon 10 October 2013 10: 05 New
    +2
    You listen to Netanyahu and you get a strong feeling that the Israelis are a harmless herd
    sheep grazing peacefully on the fields of the Promised Land, and everyone passing by strives to undeserving them-
    but offend already since 1948. Right stingy tear of tenderness breaks through!
  • SAG
    SAG 10 October 2013 10: 24 New
    +1

    The international community must make new proposals to resolve Tehran’s nuclear program, since the latest proposal made by Western partners in the “5 + 1” format is not valid. This was stated by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Iran, reports “Voice of Russia” with reference to RIA “Novosti”.

    Iran’s actions are directed by all means to drag out time to create a nuclear bomb ... obsolescence of the proposal is complete nonsense (in my opinion this is obvious).
    Given the firmly occupied positions of Russia and China (and it cannot be otherwise), Iran is doomed in the future to a dominant role in the region.
  • faraon
    faraon 10 October 2013 10: 30 New
    -4
    Quote: IRBIS
    Quote: DezzeD
    why not let Chechnya finally secede and develop nuclear weapons?

    this offer you probably a little bit but it looks strange right?

    Chechnya and Iran. As your fellow tribesmen say, feel the difference. And it is strange that you do not understand this. The States gave Israel a nuclear bomb, Iran is developing itself. What is the problem? In the collapse of your nuclear monopoly in the region? In a long-lasting point before someone can now answer in the same way?

    Yes, actually there is no difference, One religion of Islam with all its movements, imperial ambitions, the dream of creating a world caliphate with a capital in Tehran. Nothing new.
    As for the Israeli nuclear program, I’ll make one reservation with the support of the USA. (In Israel there are enough brains to make such gifts yourself. Moreover, if you turn to the history, there will be a clear trace of who was in the forefront of creating the nuclear program, atomic and hydrogen bombs both in Russia and in the USA)
    As for Iran, it is not developing anything new, and only with the support of Russia is building nuclear plants under the cover of this, is it promoting its nuclear program to create nuclear weapons.
    The problem is not the collapse of the Israeli nuclear monopoly in the region, The problem in another Iran, on the verge of creating nuclear weapons, is already threatening to erase Israel, which guarantees that it will also not erase other countries into powder. Or start blackmailing other countries with its nuclear potential .
    Do you have guarantees or you can become a guarantor?
    1. Romn
      Romn 10 October 2013 10: 40 New
      +4
      from the very beginning, so to speak from the sources, by the way, you also note
      In 1896, the French chemist Antoine Henri Becquerel discovered the radioactivity of uranium.
      In 1899, Ernest Rutherford detects alpha and beta rays. In 1900, gamma radiation is discovered.
      During these years, many radioactive isotopes of chemical elements were discovered: polonium and radium were discovered by Pierre Curie and Marie Curie in 1898, radon was discovered in 1899 by Rutherford, and sea anemone by Debiern.
      In 1903, Rutherford and Frederick Soddy published the law of radioactive decay.
      In 1921, Mr. Otto Gan actually discovers nuclear isomerism.
      In 1932, Mr. James Chadwick discovered a neutron, and Carl D. Anderson discovered a positron.
      In the same year 1932 in the USA, Ernest Lawrence launched the first cyclotron, and in England Ernest Walton and John Cockroft split the atomic nucleus for the first time: they destroyed the lithium nucleus, firing protons at the accelerator. At the same time, such an experiment was conducted in the USSR.
      In 1934, the town of Frederick Joliot-Curie discovered artificial radioactivity, and Enrico Fermi developed a method for slowing down neutrons. In 1936, he discovered the selective absorption of neutrons.
      In 1934, a Hungarian physicist Leo Sylard patented an atomic beryllium bomb in England [an unknown term].
      In 1939, Frederic Joliot-Curie patented the design of the uranium bomb.
      In the 1940, G. N. Flerov and K. A. Petrzhak, working at the Leningrad Physical Technical Institute, discovered the spontaneous fission of the uranium nucleus.
      In June, the Fermi and G. Anderson 1942 in the course of the experiments produced a neutron multiplication factor of more than one, which opened the way to the creation of a nuclear reactor.


      And about Iran, we can say that even if it creates a charge today, you still need to create a carrier to deliver it over long distances, as well as to be able to blackmail any country must have great military power except nuclear weapons and the number of these warheads must be large! smile
      1. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 10 October 2013 10: 47 New
        +2
        they are hidden Jews!
      2. faraon
        faraon 10 October 2013 11: 21 New
        -2
        In the list you listed, a huge cohort of creators and researchers was made up of Jews, or hidden Jews (who, due to the circumstances, changed their citizenship and belonging to the Semitic nation. But in their essence they remained Jews. With all the pros and cons)
        As for Iran, it is creating a carrier of nuclear charges to which there is confirmation.
        As for military power, this is also not a problem. China is ready to supply any military equipment to any country in the world at dumping prices, and is also ready to establish production. (For example, Turkey purchased 300 complexes from China)
        1. Oberst_71
          Oberst_71 10 October 2013 11: 34 New
          +4
          here I say all Jews at once. Even Kurchatov and Korolev. And Tsiolkovsky is generally an orthodox !! lol
          1. Djozz
            Djozz 10 October 2013 13: 01 New
            +4
            Yesterday in the tram, one of her own said that Hitler was a hidden Jew, probably lying about a bastard!
    2. Hug
      Hug 10 October 2013 11: 12 New
      -1
      Dear faraon, you still forgot to mention that Russia and Iran have a ton of antagonisms and territorial unresolved issues (by the way, the Caspian too). And what does Russia expect after Iran becomes nuclear in the future?
      1. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 10 October 2013 11: 18 New
        0
        antagonisms at all.
        1. In the reeds
          In the reeds 11 October 2013 00: 33 New
          -2
          Antagonisms at all but you have a rake
      2. faraon
        faraon 10 October 2013 11: 27 New
        -2
        Yes, I’m actually trying to talk about it for an hour. That the Iranian nuclear program is not only a headache for Israel and the entire Middle East region, but also for Iran’s closest neighbors like Russia, Azerbaijan, Central Asia (I mean the former republics of the USSR), the Caucasus.
        And how correctly did you notice what awaits them in the future.
        1. ultra
          ultra 10 October 2013 12: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: faraon
          That the Iranian nuclear program is not only a headache for Israel and the entire Middle East region, but also for Iran’s closest neighbors like Russia

          With the same success, this can be said of the Israeli nuclear program!
        2. In the reeds
          In the reeds 10 October 2013 16: 08 New
          -3
          And in Russia, the main thing is to sell today, and he crowing a rooster tomorrow
        3. revnagan
          revnagan 10 October 2013 16: 50 New
          0
          Quote: faraon
          And how correctly did you notice what awaits them in the future.

          A strong missile defense will be needed. And this is a state defense order, jobs, international cooperation. And the arsenal of nuclear weapons that creates Iran is not critical for Russia (in such territories), but for Israel, yes. A couple of warheads will hit the “Dome” , and we can speak in a historical context.
      3. Djozz
        Djozz 10 October 2013 13: 02 New
        0
        Ash stump, CRASH and Mauser!
    3. olviko
      olviko 10 October 2013 12: 39 New
      +4
      "Do you have guarantees or you can become a guarantor?"

      The Netanyahu metaphor, about a wolf in sheep’s clothing attached to Rowhan, prompted analysts to transfer it to the Israeli prime minister himself, dubbing him “a sheep in wolf's clothing”, since his threats alone did not impress anyone without US support. According to the Iranian delegation to the General Assembly, Netanyahu’s behavior there had the opposite effect, and from now on Tehran intends to firmly demand the creation of a nuclear-free zone in the entire Middle East, “without exceptions,” which will primarily mean the corresponding disarmament of Israel . Well, here's the guarantee!
  • faraon
    faraon 10 October 2013 10: 43 New
    -3
    Quote: Gentleman
    Israel’s policy is like an expression — and eat fish and ride on a swing. Of course, the desire to be the strongest in the region and use the onslaught of other countries from outside is normal. but the argument used by Israel and calling on the international community to influence Iran looks completely stupid. America is already involved in many conflicts. Afghanistan, Iraq are still unresolved. It’s still dangerous to climb into Syria. Moreover, there are problems inside the country. wait for changes in the region do not have to, I think in the future the Arab countries will already put pressure on Israel

    Believe me, dear, being strong in the region as regards Israel does not mean putting pressure on other countries. For Israel it is a necessary measure, as you correctly said in your comment, that there would be no pressure on Israel. And these are two more differences that threaten and defend.
    Since the creation of the state of Israel, its Arab neighbors have already tried five times to throw it into the sea. There is something to think about.
    1. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 10 October 2013 10: 50 New
      +2
      what to do if the Arabs in open battle do not know how to fight it! Yes, and scattered. Here, Israel and the United States tried of course. But there is nothing eternal.
  • mizantrop22
    mizantrop22 10 October 2013 10: 50 New
    -3
    Interesting fact. Of the eight Nobel Prize winners in 2013 in chemistry, physics, medicine - 5 Jews.
    1. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 10 October 2013 10: 53 New
      +2
      again, a set of genes was borrowed from someone.
    2. Glory333
      Glory333 10 October 2013 21: 24 New
      0
      What is surprising, Nobel who was - a Chinese or something? :)
      So who else will be given the Nobel Prize?
  • faraon
    faraon 10 October 2013 10: 52 New
    -3
    Quote: Romn
    In all recent history, Syria was the first place where Israel was broken off from the United States! Now we’ll place S-300 on the entire Syrian-Israeli border and see how you fly and bomb further, then we laugh!
    God forbid that the United States still fell apart ... wink

    Nobody has broken the horns, you are confusing something. Until Syria gets it. Americans throw more and more militants (opposition, terrorists), supply weapons. And they provide other assistance to terrorists. Israel closed its borders and opens them only for humanitarian purposes (reception for the treatment of wounded Syrian citizens.) Ensures that Assad does not transfer weapons to Hezbollah. And if this happens, the weapon is destroyed. This is the whole interest of Israel.
    1. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 10 October 2013 10: 56 New
      0
      Syria needs help. help out!
    2. The gentleman
      The gentleman 10 October 2013 14: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: faraon
      Quote: Romn
      In all recent history, Syria was the first place where Israel was broken off from the United States! Now we’ll place S-300 on the entire Syrian-Israeli border and see how you fly and bomb further, then we laugh!
      God forbid that the United States still fell apart ... wink

      Nobody has broken the horns, you are confusing something. Until Syria gets it. Americans throw more and more militants (opposition, terrorists), supply weapons. And they provide other assistance to terrorists. Israel closed its borders and opens them only for humanitarian purposes (reception for the treatment of wounded Syrian citizens.) Ensures that Assad does not transfer weapons to Hezbollah. And if this happens, the weapon is destroyed. This is the whole interest of Israel.

      you are a resident of your country and in any case you will protect the interests of your country. you wrote earlier that since 1948 they have been trying to destroy Israel and refer to historical documents. If you let me ask you the question, why are they trying to destroy? What is the reason?
  • Hug
    Hug 10 October 2013 11: 05 New
    -4
    Quote: Igor39
    The Torah and the Bible is not a historical document, but Jewish fairy tales. You refer to UN resolutions, and why then, together with your arrogant allies, urge Iran to bomb without any resolutions?



    Well, complete p-p-o-f-n!
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 10 October 2013 13: 04 New
      +3
      Well then, "Thousand and One Nights" is a historical document!
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 10 October 2013 11: 05 New
    +4
    Amused by the fact that Israel called itself a European country. Sorry, but where did they end up in Europe? Strange ambitions. The inferiority complex from the fact that they did not justify their territory somewhere in Germany or France? Those would quickly hit them on the hill. Either the Georgian gallows Saakashvili ranks his province to NATO and the EU by hanging the appropriate flags around, yes, then Israel suddenly becomes Europe (or Europe Israel?). Our current flooding historians from the Baltic countries also love myth-making - they say that the ancient Balts ruled thousands of miles around, carried the culture and the light of knowledge throughout Europe, but they were treacherously deceived, forcing everyone to forget about past greatness, about past victories of great warriors, about the discoveries of brave sailors, the elegant sayings of outstanding philosophers and the amazing scientists that shocked and shocked the fundamental principles of this world. Sometimes it seems that we live in a theater of the absurd ...
    1. faraon
      faraon 10 October 2013 11: 33 New
      -4
      Israel, a country in the Middle East region, but with a European vector of development. With the same pluses and minuses inherent in any European country. Since the majority of the population of Israel returned from European countries. This was meant, not the geographical location of Israel
      1. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 10 October 2013 11: 57 New
        +4
        Well, yes with the European. and do elevators without buttons, so that God forbid not to press buttons on Saturday. and circumcision on day 8 is quite European. and purim celebrate.
    2. Djozz
      Djozz 10 October 2013 13: 07 New
      +3
      Well, why do they play in European sports cups, therefore, the geyropeytsy!
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  • faraon
    faraon 10 October 2013 11: 06 New
    -5
    Quote: Igor39
    If the Jews roamed there once as gypsies, this does not mean that this land is yours.

    I’ll answer you well with your words: Arabs came from neighboring countries such as Egypt, Emen, Syria, Lebanon, and others. They settled in the houses of Jews who were driven into slavery and say this is our land. So who is right is that people (Jews) who returned from slavery or those who used the property of the people stolen into slavery.
    1. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 10 October 2013 11: 11 New
      +4
      Yes, Judah is with you! are back and good! But why not all that. Part of it in the United States and Russia was delayed. Let the gentlemen go home. Right time.
      1. Doctorleg
        Doctorleg 10 October 2013 12: 26 New
        -2
        Yes, and Russian, something a bit too much abroad. Home time :)
        1. Oberst_71
          Oberst_71 10 October 2013 12: 31 New
          +1
          Well, it's defectors.
      2. crisis
        crisis 10 October 2013 22: 19 New
        +1
        I agree with you completely. Just take away from here 400000 ethnic Slavs
      3. In the reeds
        In the reeds 11 October 2013 00: 59 New
        -1
        Do not doubt all He will gather, and Israel, no matter how Satan fights, will prove it.
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 10 October 2013 12: 50 New
      -1
      And now what? If the Turks also came to Byzantium, do they also need to be expelled?
    3. Djozz
      Djozz 10 October 2013 13: 13 New
      0
      Rather, the Copts, descendants of the Egyptians! With claims to them, perhaps you compensate for the "suffering" in slavery, such as the "slave" of Moses!
      1. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 10 October 2013 13: 16 New
        0
        and Moses is not a Jew at all.
        1. Djozz
          Djozz 10 October 2013 13: 26 New
          +1
          And who is the Aryan!
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 10 October 2013 11: 17 New
    +2
    An interesting thought came to me the other day in the light of the chemical disarmament of Syria, but first I suggest you recall the story of Yugoslavia 14 years ago: the United States and NATO offer a template for the dismemberment of the state. After 10 years, Russia, citing this precedent, recognizes the independence of Ossetia and Abkhazia. Americans step on their own rake.
    Now with Syria:
    The main thing in this matter is that a political precedent has been created when a country that has not signed an international treaty first appears on the sights of one country that requires non-use and elimination of prohibited weapons, after which it willingly agrees to sign an international treaty and transfer chemical weapons for its elimination under international control.
    And now we think, what other state in the Middle East possesses prohibited weapons of mass destruction and has not signed any international treaties?
    We have been waiting since 10 years, when Russian nuclear-powered submarines will hit a small piece of land with a demand to transfer nuclear weapons under international control))) Americans are stepping on the same rake again))) But this is all not true and just do it ...;)
    1. scientist
      scientist 10 October 2013 11: 54 New
      +1
      There was a good precedent in history when the USA and the USSR, despite the Cold War, impoverished their efforts to end the Arab-Israeli conflict. At that time, Union bombers were almost in the air to strike at Israeli forces.
      I think now it will be even easier to agree with the United States on such a peaceful settlement in the region.
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 10 October 2013 11: 19 New
    +5
    Quote: faraon
    Quote: Igor39
    If the Jews roamed there once as gypsies, this does not mean that this land is yours.

    I’ll answer you well with your words: Arabs came from neighboring countries such as Egypt, Emen, Syria, Lebanon, and others. They settled in the houses of Jews who were driven into slavery and say this is our land. So who is right is that people (Jews) who returned from slavery or those who used the property of the people stolen into slavery.


    I apologize, but where did you, dear, have such a strange hypothesis that representatives of local peoples settled in the homes of the Israelites? All over the world they know very well that it is Israel that occupies, blocks, expels and constantly punishes in one form or another retribution. Does not the very fact of the existence of Israel bring constant dissonance in this region? What is the point from a sore head ... well, you yourself understand. And then ..., for centuries, peoples have lived and worked here and suddenly you break in and establish your own rules. Isn't that uniform banditry? In my opinion, you generally have no reason to have your own truth. However, as far as we all know, your country does not need it anyway and always acts as it pleases. With great respect for your truly gifted people and with no less compassion for his ordeals and persecutions.
    1. faraon
      faraon 10 October 2013 12: 04 New
      -2
      There is evidence for this both at the historical and archaeological level. There are archives. In which all property movements are displayed, there are eyewitness accounts (of that time), there are ancient records. And monuscripts. Well and very simple, walk along the streets of the old city of Jerusalem (eastern quarters inhabited by Arab citizens of Israel and you will see direct confirmation of this fact as the six final star inscriptions on the stone who owned this house in ancient Hebrew. as well as a notch in the stone to place the mezuzah. For example, google and type the Jewish quarters of Spain, there you You will see the very same symbols of belonging of this property to Jews.
      As for the local people, here you are wrong and there is evidence for it, the appeal of the Minister of Energy of Gaza where he asked for Egypt’s help in the fight against the Jews. They answered that we don’t know such relatives and solve our problems ourselves.
      You write that for centuries sdes worked, peoples lived and worked, etc. etc. I will give you one example, Israel began to object since 1948 and until today it has become a high-tech state that exports not only weapons but also agricultural technologies and products, medical technologies, computer technologies to many countries of the world, including Russia .
      Until 1948, it was the most backward province of the Ottoman Empire with which they did not even tax because there was nothing to take. The population was small and poor. The province was under a British mandate, which did not contribute to the prosperity of this province. you can make sure if you google everything related to the history of Jerusalem. After the creation of the state, help was sent by Jews from all over the world to develop the country, the roads of the city of production began to be built. The land was first cultivated. This is where the work of the Arab population began to come to the land of then Palestine .And you say to rush in, establish your own rules. Take my word for it and even better come to us and see for yourself. And you will see the whole truth about the poor Palestinian people who are mercilessly exploited by the Jews.
      1. Janis SU
        Janis SU 10 October 2013 12: 22 New
        +1
        Does your people have real estate all over the world and should I understand so that you have the same rights to it? As for the small, poor and wild. It reminds me of our story. The Germans once marched into the small, poor and wild Baltic, which until then was plowed by all and sundry. They cultivated it, built beautiful castles with houses, taught and taught the indigenous people to work a lot. The edge really bloomed. But what do you think - how did the ordinary Latvian live with the Livonian orders? How to feel not the master of your own land? We have a lot, if almost all of the old buildings were erected by the Germans and they also put on them various brands. The same Germans erected the same cities. And now what? Based on your promise to leave them and give them to the rightful owner? I did not say that the Jews were exploiting someone there, I only pointed out the fact that your "return" turned out to be too bloody.
      2. Djozz
        Djozz 10 October 2013 13: 31 New
        0
        You taxed Germany by stripping more than 100bn from it. brands, which by the way and now pays you!
        1. crisis
          crisis 10 October 2013 22: 21 New
          -2
          Let them pay another 100 years
      3. nikcris
        nikcris 10 October 2013 16: 04 New
        0
        Yes, calm down you! I just bought a bag of your radish. Nothing else was found in the store from Israel, otherwise it would have helped your industry and would have definitely bought it.
  • scientist
    scientist 10 October 2013 11: 24 New
    +3
    Obama recently said that the United States will no longer be able to provide financial assistance to Israel for military purposes. And this help was very substantial several billion. $. Although one of the representatives of the Israeli military-industrial complex, during informal communication, let slip that this amount was ten times underestimated and amounted to $ 2008 billion in 60, apparently this is taking into account investments. I think for the sake of such a piece of the pie, Israeli politicians and special services turn inside out.
    Now the move of Israel. Obviously, in order to force the United States to reconsider its decision, it is necessary to unleash a good informational and diversionary war. Perhaps even with real combat stoning.
    1. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 10 October 2013 12: 09 New
      +3
      I beg you, then Obama will fall like Nixon.
      In February 1973, while talking with his adviser Charles Colson, Nixon noted that people of all nationalities had their own specific traits. “The Irish, for example, cannot drink. Every Irishman, pretty drunk, becomes absolutely disgusting, ”the president said. - The Italians are a wonderful people, but they are incapable of serious thought. Jews are aggressive, rude and, in general, extremely unpleasant creatures. ” According to Nixon, "the Jews suffer from an inferiority complex and therefore are constantly trying to prove something."
    2. faraon
      faraon 10 October 2013 12: 16 New
      -2
      What Obama said is not the last resort, there is a congress that solves these problems. The USA provided assistance to Israel in the order of 4 billion dollars in the military sphere. For the fact that during the war, Israel captured the Sinai Peninsula, and then, under pressure from the USA, gave it to Egypt. this compensation. but again one thing but he gets military equipment on; billion US dollars annually. Money basically remains in the USA and we are supplied with equipment that was involved in operations in our region. For example, an operation in Syria We installed the Petriot system for $ 4 billion. So the United States even saves on the transportation of advanced military equipment to Israel, and also pursue other goals, like a springboard for invading the Middle East, which has all the necessary infrastructure for this.
      1. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 10 October 2013 12: 23 New
        0
        sucking congress what?
    3. olviko
      olviko 10 October 2013 13: 09 New
      +1
      According to Al-Alam, US Vice President Joe Biden, during his speech at the American-Jewish Institute, said: "If there were no Israel, America would have been forced to create it to protect its national interests." He emphasized that America’s defense of the security of the Israeli regime is unshakable. Biden said that the patronage and support that the States provide to Israel is not only related to moral intentions, but also based on common interests and national security. Recognizing the fact that Iran has become a nuclear power threat to the existence of the Jewish state, Joe Biden said that it is impossible to agree with this.

      Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1716116.html#ixzz2hJ7hLYeb
      Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM news agency.
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 10 October 2013 11: 50 New
    +5
    Quote: faraon
    Israel, a country in the Middle East region, but with a European vector of development. With the same pluses and minuses inherent in any European country. Since the majority of the population of Israel returned from European countries. This was meant, not the geographical location of Israel


    For a long time I could not digest your text, or rather its semantic content. What did you mean by the European vector of development? Militancy? Revenge? Breaking into foreign territories? The existence of your country as a decisive factor for instability in the region? Nuclear weapons contrary to UN resolution? The murders of citizens of other countries and in foreign territories? You yourself, dear, are aware that you are printing? How, how could you come back from somewhere if neither your parents nor even the ancestors of the seventh generation lived in these territories? How can I return to the house built by other people? You can return to Africa with the same success, since it is generally accepted that this is our common cradle. Very, I repeat, a very ugly story came out of you with this Israel. However, blood has always poured in the world and to seek justice in this or that is a thankless task ...
    1. Archibald
      Archibald 10 October 2013 20: 30 New
      0
      Could you say what day, after the formation of the state of Israel, the first war began, who started it, and who started all the other wars in the Middle East?
  • faraon
    faraon 10 October 2013 12: 42 New
    -2
    In Russia they said that they beat not according to the passport but in the face. I hope that you will not deny that there is a Jewish national formation? He came from somewhere. And where did he come from, and the fact that this was facilitated by the circumstances that scattered this people around the world in including Russia. And the fact that this people, like all people, had some kind of continuation of posterity, So the descendants of those Jews returned to the lands of their ancestors, and began to object to the country. I hope you will not object that Judaism gave the world Christianity, and He gave Islam. Three world religions and cultures. Which exist to this day.
    In 1948, the state of Israel was formed with the territory reserved for it. What kind of break-in on foreign territory is in question. Five times the Arab countries declared war and suffered defeat, as a result of which Israel, as the victorious party, has grown territories, this is world practice and there is nothing new (the losing side must compensate for the losses incurred by the war-indemnity) In this case, Israel did not declare war 5 times, but they tried to throw it into the sea and destroy it so it’s normal and logical, like joining the Karelian Isthmus to the Finnish company, joining Keninsberg, the Baltic states, western regions Ukraine and Belarus. What do you see in this occupation. Or the liberation of the historical lands of Russia. So here is Israel. As for the houses built by people. So believe me that I do not live in a house built by people, and even more so belonging to them. I bought land from the state, which is written in land registry and built himself a house in the state of Israel.
    Now, about Africa, the trouble is that there is not a single confirmation of the presence of Jews there. There are no historical confirmations or archaeological artifacts.
    1. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 10 October 2013 12: 53 New
      +5
      I personally do not mind at all. I just ask, Why did you stay in Russia ?. And then some kind of paradox: from the Soviet Union, they were torn straight for everyone. Allowed! Get it down so to speak! No left again. What is the point, what is the strategy?
    2. Djozz
      Djozz 10 October 2013 13: 38 New
      +2
      And, I did not know that Israel fought in World War II and on this basis is the recipient of compensation from Germany!
    3. nikcris
      nikcris 10 October 2013 13: 53 New
      +2
      You do not pull on the pharaoh. Do not even pull the watchman. You tell the Chinese and Indians about the three great religions invented by the Jews. Well, and other Japanese Koreans.
      And about the fact that JUDAISM gave Christianity and Islam - this is generally something beyond. You tell it in the synagogue - you won’t return without a fingal.
      1. Archibald
        Archibald 10 October 2013 13: 57 New
        +1
        Read at least a little history of religions.
        1. nikcris
          nikcris 10 October 2013 14: 14 New
          +1
          You read it a little. Maybe then understand why the Jews kept the faith. Or do you think the Orthodox Jew is the same Jew?
          And, most importantly - do not start sticking about anti-Semitic Zionists.
          1. Archibald
            Archibald 10 October 2013 14: 43 New
            0
            What other anti-Semitic Zionists, why should they be anti-Semites? Nonsense...
            1. BBM
              BBM 10 October 2013 17: 50 New
              +2
              why nonsense. Arabs-Semites, Semites. Jewish fascists (Zionists) - they hate the Arabs and destroy them in every possible way - the real anti-Semites wassat so that's right
              1. Archibald
                Archibald 10 October 2013 20: 21 New
                0
                There is logic.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 10 October 2013 20: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: nikcris
        And about the fact that JUDAISM gave Christianity and Islam - this is generally something beyond.

        Well, here he is right. These religions are truly Abramic. If you want to conquer the world, make everyone pray to your god. For the same purpose, the Byzantines steamed Christianity to Vladimir.
        1. duke
          duke 11 October 2013 08: 29 New
          0
          Leave Prince Vladimir and Orthodoxy alone, this is not related to the topic, keep your conjectures to yourself ...
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 11 October 2013 09: 58 New
            0
            Quote: duke
            Leave alone Prince Vladimir and Orthodoxy,

            Read the history of the origin of religions. Moses, Musa, and Moisha are one character. Jesus, Isa, Yeshua are also one person. Doesn’t it bother you?
    4. revnagan
      revnagan 10 October 2013 17: 08 New
      0
      Quote: faraon
      so it’s normal and logical, like joining the Karelian Isthmus to the Finnish company, joining Keninsberg, the Baltic states, the western regions of Ukraine and Belarus. What do you see in this occupation. Or the liberation of the historical lands of Russia. So here is Israel.

      Well, not quite so. In the case of Israel, we have a historical gap of a millennium. In the case of Western Ukraine, Western Belarus, etc., the return of the territory occurred during the lifetime of the generation in which these territories were torn away from Russia . Except for Kaliningrad. But here we have “only” several centuries. But not millennia. If you do as you want (not personally to you, but to your fellow tribesmen), then Turkey should ... That was Byzantium before ... And this is just one example, but start citing yet, the page is not enough.
  • faraon
    faraon 10 October 2013 12: 42 New
    -4
    In Russia they said that they beat not according to the passport but in the face. I hope that you will not deny that there is a Jewish national formation? He came from somewhere. And where did he come from, and the fact that this was facilitated by the circumstances that scattered this people around the world in including Russia. And the fact that this people, like all people, had some kind of continuation of posterity, So the descendants of those Jews returned to the lands of their ancestors, and began to object to the country. I hope you will not object that Judaism gave the world Christianity, and He gave Islam. Three world religions and cultures. Which exist to this day.
    In 1948, the state of Israel was formed with the territory reserved for it. What kind of break-in on foreign territory is in question. Five times the Arab countries declared war and suffered defeat, as a result of which Israel, as the victorious party, has grown territories, this is world practice and there is nothing new (the losing side must compensate for the losses incurred by the war-indemnity) In this case, Israel did not declare war 5 times, but they tried to throw it into the sea and destroy it so it’s normal and logical, like joining the Karelian Isthmus to the Finnish company, joining Keninsberg, the Baltic states, western regions Ukraine and Belarus. What do you see in this occupation. Or the liberation of the historical lands of Russia. So here is Israel. As for the houses built by people. So believe me that I do not live in a house built by people, and even more so belonging to them. I bought land from the state, which is written in land registry and built himself a house in the state of Israel.
    Now, about Africa, the trouble is that there is not a single confirmation of the presence of Jews there. There are no historical confirmations or archaeological artifacts.
    1. Glory333
      Glory333 10 October 2013 21: 38 New
      0
      The origin of the Jews may be a topic for another discussion.
      For example, there is an interesting version that the Jews arrived in Egypt from about. Ceylon.
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 11 October 2013 08: 32 New
      0
      Germany at 39 also grew into Polish territory. And what? After all, they returned. Why, somehow. I don’t understand why they returned it? After all, how did the winners "grow" ...
  • lexat7
    lexat7 10 October 2013 12: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: Janis SU
    And then ..., for centuries, peoples have lived and worked here and suddenly you break in and establish your own rules. Isn't that uniform banditry?

    For some reason, with these words, I recall another country yes USA.
    In general, an interesting situation, dear DezzeD and Faraon, do not want to draw a parallel? The history of the confrontation between the USSR (Russia) and the USA is a good example of how it appeared, how it multiplied, how it contracted, and how, as a result, the two warring parties came to a dialogue. My opinion is to learn from history. Iran will sooner or later create its own nuclear weapons whether you want it or not and you have to agree with it, BUT on an equal footing! No one will naughty, they all want to live! You can go through your Caribbean crisis (probably the Gollan crisis, most likely you have to give them away), go through an ROSD 1,2,3 ..., all kinds of overloads, recognition of the independence of Kosovo, Abkhazia, South Ossetia (probably Palestine) and you will live with your "partner in peace and harmony"! How do you like this situation. hi
    1. Archibald
      Archibald 10 October 2013 14: 36 New
      -2
      But you don’t think that the creation of nuclear weapons in Iran is just as serious a danger for us. Do you really naively think that we are friends with Iran. In geopolitical terms, Russia always remains an enemy to any Muslim state, and supposedly, almost conscious relations with Iran, this is a complete divorce on their part, a temporary use of us. Israel, in this regard, especially in the long term, is a much more friendly country to us. If there were no Israel, we would no longer have a third of the southern territories.
      1. nikcris
        nikcris 10 October 2013 15: 03 New
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        Above, you wrote to me about nonsense, but here I clearly see that you are raving. Today, Russia does not have allied relations (except Belarus - Russia is the same) with non-Muslim states. They are not with the Jewish, Catholic, Protestant - continue to continue? And with Muslim IS! And Muslims, unlike the Jews, have always lived in Russia, since the time of conversion to faith. Russians and non-Russians live here and will always live. Do not even hope!
        PS A KAG ISRAEL helped Saakashvili we remember, do not forget.
      2. lexat7
        lexat7 10 October 2013 16: 19 New
        +1
        The creation or availability of nuclear weapons in Iran or in some other country on Earth is a serious danger to all, of course, for us too. But in my opinion, the presence of such weapons in the two countries in conflict, the danger is less than the superiority in such weapons in favor of one country. A good example is India and Pakistan. And about friends / allies of Russia - ARMY and Navy soldier
  • michajlo
    michajlo 10 October 2013 13: 07 New
    +8
    Good day to all!

    Dear forum users from the "Promised Land".

    Yes, you are our former Soviet fellow citizens, but there were and still are many decent and honest people among you, especially among those who remained in the post-USSR. drinks

    But let's all the same, with your God’s election and neglect of us, the gentiles, do you still think with your “propaganda propaganda” what and to whom are you trying to sell “at your eastern bazaar”?

    Listen to you like I wrote above falcon Today, 10:05 _131010 / even New
    You listen to Netanyahu, and there is a strong feeling that the Israelis are a harmless flock of sheep grazing peacefully on the fields of the Promised Land, and everyone passing by tries to undeservedly offend them already from 1948. Right stingy tear of tenderness breaks through!

    so really, everything is threatening you with “little white and fluffy” and is plotting against you.

    And in Arab and other countries, “generals shoot themselves” with 2 shots, military leaders, scientists, engineers, cars with them explode at high speed at a high speed, and other technical personnel dangerous for “peaceful Israel” ??

    And the “Arab Spring (orange revolution with blood and explosions)” in the Maghreb countries since 2011 has swept like this, well, like the flu, or I would call a doctor like new "Jewish tripper." negative

    Yes, only in Syria, the ploy came from the planners of the centuries-old dream of "Greater Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates," where some kind of doctor Assad (still president) has been fighting Wahhabist intervention for the third year. good

    Well, there are other enemies of the “God-chosen people”, but look at the “universality of Jewish humanity”, how they treat the wounded bandits and send them back to Syria.
    At the same time, he did not forget immediately on the VO website to show a "heart-rending photo of a Syrian girl" cured by "good doctors in Israel."

    The truth is to my simple question, “Would this girl have been hurt at all” if not for “the war unleashed by the Jewish rulers”
    (michajlo September 23, 2013 23:19 PM ↑ see branch
    http://topwar.ru/33653-geopoliticheskaya-mozaika-narkomafiya-v-meksike-zamenila-

    gosudarstvo-a-den-kehen-dokazal-chto-partiynye-simpatii-podryvayut-dazhe-bazovye

    -myslitelnye-sposobnosti.html # comment-id-1523821),


    Why didn’t I get an answer ??? Maybe I asked him late, the opera has already finished duty "on the brekhalovka."

    Well, what can you do, I understand you,
    that to brag and lie is one thing, but to answer the question “why?” - the Wishlist has already turned off, the "automatic fuse" has tripped ...

    Sincerely, Mikhailo. hi

    PS
    Since, talented “agitators,” I will receive from whom of you an answer to your question from the end of Sep-2013, or to the “so rudely posed” question
    - and where is the beginning of all this senseless massacre in Syria,
    Already the head of your intelligence, doesn’t order to answer, or even let it slip out ?!
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 10 October 2013 18: 26 New
      +1
      michajlo SU Today, 13:07 PM
      Good day to all!
      Yes, only in Syria, the ploy came from the planners of the centuries-old dream "Greater Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates,"

      Michajlo, I agree, +. Here is a movie about it, a long truth, but detailed.

    2. artefom
      artefom 10 October 2013 20: 06 New
      +1
      I fully support! These agitators here divorced as dogs uncut. They interfere with the truth and lie and drop by drop promote their agitation. program in fragile minds ... Fortunately there are the first and second channels.
  • teleset
    teleset 10 October 2013 13: 08 New
    +4
    ] “The world must continue to exert pressure in the name of all that is holy, so as not to allow them to have nuclear weapons. This is important not only for us, but also for Americans, Europeans, Arabs.

    And where was the world community when the Jews created nuclear weapons, who allowed them to have it also poses a threat to the world community. Let us impose sanctions on Israel then, too, otherwise it turns out that they are also an exceptional nation.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 10 October 2013 13: 45 New
    +2
    Quote: Oberst_71
    it is clear that the Arabs hell knows what in Bosko.

    and what, the Arabs make up the majority in Persia?
  • Rapier
    Rapier 10 October 2013 13: 48 New
    +8
    When Benya speaks, he broadcasts on behalf of the world community, it turns out so solidly and angrily (although he is already tired of his own show-offs). And if he hangs “skins” (wolfish, to someone's sheep) on his opponents, the natural question arises, which skin is suitable for him? Throughout the entire period of his rule over Israel, the threats of aggression towards the Persians are spiraling to a denouement. The US (in the form of a dog) and Israel (in the form of a tail from this dog) are threatened by the sovereign state of Iran, but this is not a docking - the tail wags the dog!
    I believe that this is the legitimate right of the Persians to protect themselves and their territory by any means, starting from sticks and knives, incl. and nuclear weapons, if any!
    For some reason, Jews recognize the right to self-defense and the presence of nuclear weapons, but the Persians are denied this. Not fair, however.
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 10 October 2013 14: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: faraon
    In Russia they said that they beat not according to the passport but in the face. I hope that you will not deny that there is a Jewish national formation? He came from somewhere. And where did he come from, and the fact that this was facilitated by the circumstances that scattered this people around the world in including Russia. And the fact that this people, like all people, had some kind of continuation of posterity, So the descendants of those Jews returned to the lands of their ancestors, and began to object to the country. I hope you will not object that Judaism gave the world Christianity, and He gave Islam. Three world religions and cultures. Which exist to this day.
    In 1948, the state of Israel was formed with the territory reserved for it. What kind of break-in on foreign territory is in question. Five times the Arab countries declared war and suffered defeat, as a result of which Israel, as the victorious party, has grown territories, this is world practice and there is nothing new (the losing side must compensate for the losses incurred by the war-indemnity) In this case, Israel did not declare war 5 times, but they tried to throw it into the sea and destroy it so it’s normal and logical, like joining the Karelian Isthmus to the Finnish company, joining Keninsberg, the Baltic states, western regions Ukraine and Belarus. What do you see in this occupation. Or the liberation of the historical lands of Russia. So here is Israel. As for the houses built by people. So believe me that I do not live in a house built by people, and even more so belonging to them. I bought land from the state, which is written in land registry and built himself a house in the state of Israel.
    Now, about Africa, the trouble is that there is not a single confirmation of the presence of Jews there. There are no historical confirmations or archaeological artifacts.


    I beg your pardon, but what does the believers have to do with their mythological myth-making? Fire me and most atheistic in essence Europe from your dogmas. Here you, dear, are not in line with the realities. By the way, it is strange to be proud of the fact that it brought so much grief and suffering to the world. First of all, I mean Catholicism with Islam. This is such a particularly savage Irailian undercoat, they say, how did we let you off that Islamic fungmentalists still hold the whole world by the throat? It is sad that you yourself are not aware of this. Incidentally, the Teutonic Oden broke into us precisely because of your hardening ancestors master key, in which "special thanks" to you and your fellow tribesmen. They burned and poisoned us just for the sake of that very faith, there was a good reason - to civilize us through conversion to our faith ...
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 10 October 2013 14: 25 New
      -3
      This... what And where did the Teutonic Order break into us? And what did they burn and etch in Russia?
      Now, if you wrote that the Jews sent the Teutons to Novgorod, pouring Colorado beetles into their bags - I would definitely plus. drinks
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 10 October 2013 21: 16 New
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        Quote: nikcris
        And where did the Teutonic Order break into us?

        - mine. Read human comments. There is no need to hang labels on flags.
  • Letterksi
    Letterksi 10 October 2013 14: 02 New
    0
    We are witnessing a turning point in the relationship between the United States and the Middle East, the United States and Israel, the Democrats and Republicans. When there are problems in society, all the "power verticals" and relationships are strewed like a house of cards
  • Letterksi
    Letterksi 10 October 2013 14: 02 New
    0
    We are witnessing a turning point in the relationship between the United States and the Middle East, the United States and Israel, the Democrats and Republicans. When there are problems in society, all the "power verticals" and relationships are strewed like a house of cards
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 10 October 2013 14: 31 New
    +4
    Quote: nikcris
    This... what And where did the Teutonic Order break into us? And what did they burn and etch in Russia?
    Now, if you wrote that the Jews sent the Teutons to Novgorod, pouring Colorado beetles into their bags - I would definitely plus. drinks


    I write about Latvia and Estonia, dear. By the way, the Novgorodians and the Pskovites more than once helped us out and helped drive the Livonians away. We even built several cities with us, which for some time cooled the ardor of the German invaders.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 10 October 2013 15: 10 New
      -1
      Aah. In the topic about the Israeli woman and the murderers of Griboedov of Livonia, this is the place.
    2. duke
      duke 11 October 2013 08: 36 New
      +1
      Thanks Janis on a kind word ...
  • old rocket man
    old rocket man 10 October 2013 15: 25 New
    +2
    In short, "who will touch our fanned Berdichev ..."
    Jewish Cossacks revolted laughing laughing laughing
  • nikcris
    nikcris 10 October 2013 16: 10 New
    +2
    And finally!
    The Jews in WWII fought and terrorized Britain - our ally. Therefore they (Jews) were allies of Germany. For this, Germany still bucks grandmothers for it.
    1. BBM
      BBM 10 October 2013 17: 44 New
      +3
      100% is enough just to look at the national composition of the Gestapo.
  • regdan
    regdan 10 October 2013 16: 41 New
    -1
    I agree with Israeli citizens and lovers of Israeli citizens about the Iranian threat to the illegally formed state of Israel. Threats at least THREE: science, industry, economics. The core of the bomb is in our world is only a means of defense, but no means of attack. An example of the DPRK. Having the bombs vigorous and, according to the false, corrupt media of the head, an inadequate leader, the DPRK did not dust South Korea. And at the same time, we have how the Sykuns of the USA seek to erase the DPRK into powder.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 10 October 2013 16: 55 New
      +1
      This ... Have you seen the DPRK on the globe? Have you seen KEM, except for Yukoreya, it borders? 63 years ago, the UN (USA) troops did not make out. Well, etc., etc.
    2. Archibald
      Archibald 10 October 2013 16: 59 New
      0
      How did they do it with South Korea? Thank God that they cannot do anything nichrome.
  • Arkan
    Arkan 10 October 2013 17: 44 New
    -1
    An elephant with a donkey limped, a nonsense can develop into chronic malnutrition. The prospect of being left alone with neighbors is very worrying for the Israelis. Many can follow the Persians, no one except the mercenaries after the Israelis.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 10 October 2013 18: 21 New
    -1
    Quote: Archibald
    How did they do it with South Korea? Thank God that they cannot do anything nichrome.

    Do you continue to ask me questions of the meaning of which I do not understand?
    If you are talking about 1950 - the North Koreans dare both the USA and the southern brothers to Busan (you must agree - add one “c” and replace “y” with “about”, then it will be very symbolic).
    If you're talking about 1953, then the border is there today.
    In all this Korean crap, I am only concerned about the presence of sharp planed carrots. (Although I do not eat it).
    Anticipating questions - ME ON THE DRUM!
    1. Archibald
      Archibald 10 October 2013 20: 06 New
      +1
      Actually, I'm talking about now. And who did they dare in the 50th, with the help of half a million Chinese? And about the rearrangement of letters, unusually witty.
      1. nikcris
        nikcris 10 October 2013 20: 22 New
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        Firstly, there were 600-700 thousand Chinese at one time, therefore we should talk about 5-6 million. Secondly, there were about 30-50 thousand Russians.
        Thirdly, the USA and South Caucasus went to Busan without our and Chinese help. All my upper figures refer to subsequent periods of the war.
        The war ended where it started. If you stick with me about the development of the South Caucasus and the backwardness of the DPRK, then I remind you that in the South Caucasus 25 years ago they plowed with mostly heavy animal strength.
        Let's discuss the success questions of the UK in another topic.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 10 October 2013 18: 41 New
    -2
    Quote: Tourist Breakfast
    The same comrade did not send terrorists to neighboring countries


    Does the name "Ramon Mercader" say nothing to you?

    And is this Ramon the GPU recruited collective farm foreman from the Syzran district? Or what kind of Stakhanovites? Or maybe they were worth each other with Leva?
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 10 October 2013 19: 38 New
      +3
      And is this Ramon the GPU recruited collective farm foreman from the Syzran district? Or what kind of Stakhanovites? Or maybe they were worth each other with Leva?

      Does this have any fundamental significance? The fact of sending abroad is obvious. Well, of course it’s clear "they have spies, and we have scouts."
  • nikcris
    nikcris 10 October 2013 19: 58 New
    -1
    Quote: Tourist Breakfast
    And is this Ramon the GPU recruited collective farm foreman from the Syzran district? Or what kind of Stakhanovites? Or maybe they were worth each other with Leva?

    Does this have any fundamental significance? The fact of sending abroad is obvious. Well, of course it’s clear "they have spies, and we have scouts."

    Cavo sent in? Mercader? Yes, my God - we and Jews with such surnames have never been born. Is that circus and gypsies in choirs (?)
    PS You next time, before you issue Perls, google Google, okay?
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 10 October 2013 21: 43 New
      +2
      Cavo sent in? Mercader? Yes, my God - we and Jews with such surnames have never been born. Is that circus and gypsies in choirs (?)
      PS You next time, before you issue Perls, google Google, okay?


      No, of course Mercader was born and raised in Mexico. And since childhood he was publishing work for the NKVD.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 10 October 2013 22: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Tourist Breakfast
    Cavo sent in? Mercader? Yes, my God - we and Jews with such surnames have never been born. Is that circus and gypsies in choirs (?)
    PS You next time, before you issue Perls, google Google, okay?


    No, of course Mercader was born and raised in Mexico. And since childhood he was publishing work for the NKVD.

    Not . He was born and raised in a family of Spanish Communists. His mother is almost the second Ibarurri. Dad is mysterious. What he "messed up" is not known to me. Perhaps he wanted to become the first astronaut. But fate was the same as Stalin did not want to rescue him from the Mexican Gulag))). But Khrushchev gave him both a medal and a middle name - Ivanovich. Understand that I have nothing against what Mercader-Lopez did, I am angry with some members of the club.
  • Budilnik
    Budilnik 10 October 2013 22: 39 New
    0
    Why is the UN not raising the question of checking Israel’s nuclear arsenals?
  • nikcris
    nikcris 10 October 2013 22: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Budilnik
    Why is the UN not raising the question of checking Israel’s nuclear arsenals?

    Because they are afraid of an adequate answer.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 11 October 2013 00: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Tourist Breakfast
    Cavo sent in? Mercader? Yes, my God - we and Jews with such surnames have never been born. Is that circus and gypsies in choirs (?)
    PS You next time, before you issue Perls, google Google, okay?


    No, of course Mercader was born and raised in Mexico. And since childhood he was publishing work for the NKVD.

    You, before you press the minus, buy yourself a globe and at least something in history.
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 11 October 2013 09: 14 New
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      You, before you press the minus, buy yourself a globe and at least something in history.

      It was sarcasm if you didn’t get it. I am aware of the biography of Mercader. Will you still argue that the definition of "sent abroad" does not fit him?

      By the way, I didn’t hit you with a minus. Are you so worried about one minus? I've already caught a hundred of them.