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Passions for the supply of C-300 to Iran

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Interesting information regarding the possible commencement of Russian deliveries of C-300ВМ ATPs to Iran comes within a week. At the same time, the information is said to be interpreted every time not only by the media, but also by Russian and Iranian politicians.




If you briefly recall what is at stake, then initially you should pay attention to the UN Security Council resolution and presidential decree, which was signed in 2010 year. The then president (Dmitry Medvedev), for strange reasons having decided to follow the UN resolution beyond measure, imposed a ban on the supply to Iran of not only offensive weapons, but also means of defense, to which C-300 complexes are fully and relate. Then Iran, the contract with which it was already concluded, on Russia, to put it mildly, was offended. I thought and thought and then stated that I was ready to recover from the Russian Federation through an international court a penalty for non-fulfillment of the contract. Read more about this in the material. “Deliveries to Iran C-300. What to do with Medvedev's decree? ”

It must be admitted that the move with the addition of Dmitry Medvedev C-300 to the "black" list, puzzled not only the Iranian side. In Russia, too, they were perplexed, and they continue to be perplexed: for what purposes did Dmitry Anatolyevich decide to supplement the prohibitions in a peculiar manner, and even then, when all sorts of “Arab spring flowers” ​​were already beginning to bloom in the world?

However, let us distract from Medvedev's motivation, and return to the information that comes in today. This information is as follows: the other day, the Iranian ambassador to Russia made a remark that is hard to ignore. Mahmoud Reza Sajjadi, namely the name of the Iranian ambassador, said that the issue of supplying Iran with C-300 was raised at the talks. Around the same time, Marzia Afham, the head of the press service of the Iranian Foreign Ministry, made a deeper statement, saying, in particular, that the friendly relations between Iran and Russia allowed negotiations between officials and experts to continue in such a way that Russia could their international obligations, and a compromise result would have been achieved on C-300.
Obviously, the very question of resuming (or rather, the beginning) of deliveries of anti-aircraft missile systems from Russia to Iran today is difficult for both sides to discuss. And Russia is clearly more difficult. Why?

First, an Iranian lawsuit was filed over Rosoboronexport in more than 4 billion dollars, moreover, according to Iran’s statements: Iran’s request was for 900 million, and more than 3 billion decided to “add” the court itself ... In general who pledged and how much is not so important - it’s important that the sum was drawn up more than impressive, almost twice the total trade turnover between Russia and Iran (the trade turnover for the year 2012).

Secondly, a difficult situation emerges in the so-called "tandem". After all, if today Russia and Iran are really negotiating about the start of C-300 deliveries to Tehran, then somehow it will have to be presented inside Russia ... After all, our authorities do not consider that they completely forgot about the existence of a presidential law inside the country signed by Dmitry Medvedev about banning supplies. In principle, many interested Russians would not mind if they simply stepped over this decree, but it is unlikely to succeed. He is too sensational to ignore him.

It turns out that President Putin, if he is really ready to start supplying anti-aircraft missile systems to Iran (in this case we are already talking about delivering the Antey 300 C-2500BM instead of C-300PMU-1), it will actually cancel legal force decree Medvedev. It would seem that there is an obvious confusion and staggering in a tandem, a manifestation of obvious discrepancies in the interests, but ... Is this the first precedent when the presidents (current and previous) play “today decided one way - tomorrow the other decided something”? Not the first, and it can be assumed that not the last at all ... True, there is still an important difference: to start supplying C-300 with the current president after the ban imposed on the same supply by the previous president is still not canceled-returned, and This is not a game in summer-winter time. This is already a question of the foreign policy strategy of two people who occupy the highest posts in the state. And the facts seem to say that the president’s foreign policy with the prime minister are very different ...

On the other hand, it can be assumed that they are not so different ... After all, if you remain confident that the difference in positions was before and is now, then you have to admit the fact of the independence of the presidency of Dmitry Medvedev ... And according to this fact, it turns out that Vladimir Putin, in particular, did not have the opportunity to give advice to the “first person” at those moments when he signed such important decrees. But what about the reality: I didn’t have such an opportunity, didn’t want to have it, or did Putin’s position on C-300 supply to Iran really be similar to that of a “colleague in power”? A question that, for obvious reasons, cannot be answered unambiguously. One can only assume that Dmitry Medvedev was given to play a "reset" with the American, God forgive me, "partners", and he rebooted in full. Only after this reboot, the system somehow began to hang ...

And about the start of deliveries - the beginning of this has a high degree of probability. Moreover, even the United States managed to announce that they are considering Iran with its new president as a state with which they are ready to conduct an open dialogue. At this, the journalists even caught up with US Secretary of State Kerry, asking him the question that if the United States is ready for an open dialogue with Iran, then why would the European missile defense states? Kerry thought for a long time, produced something similar to a bellow, but did not find an intelligible answer ...
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  1. os9165
    os9165 10 October 2013 07: 27 New
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    The then president (Dmitry Medvedev), for strange reasons, decided to follow the UN resolution beyond measure, imposed a ban on the supply to Iran of not only offensive weapons, but also defense equipment, to which the S-300 systems are fully-fledged and relate. Again, Medvedev will give Kemsku volost something else. Of course, you need to sell it, otherwise the Chinese will help in Turkey. Again Medvedev’s request not to admit.
    1. svp67
      svp67 10 October 2013 07: 55 New
      33
      Quote: os9165
      Again Medvedev’s request not to admit.

      And better, since he is so actively talking about future reductions, then in the first list for dismissal, his last name should be the first. With the wording - As not having justified the trust ....
      1. valton
        valton 10 October 2013 19: 41 New
        +1
        And if, as in Murzilka, find the difference:

        We can only assume that Mikhail Gorbachev was allowed to play the “reset” with the American, God forgive me, “partners”, and he rebooted in full. Only after this reboot, the system somehow began to freeze ...

        We can only assume that Dmitry Medvedev was allowed to play the “reset” with the American, God forgive me, “partners”, and he rebooted in full. Only after this reboot, the system somehow began to freeze ...
        And there are NO differences!
        1. 11 black
          11 black 10 October 2013 22: 04 New
          0
          Quote: valton
          We can only assume that Mikhail Gorbachev was allowed to play the “reset” with the American, God forgive me, “partners”, and he rebooted in full. Only after this reboot, the system somehow began to freeze ...

          no, there is a difference - after Gorbachevskaya the system was covered ...
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      2. Russophile
        Russophile 10 October 2013 22: 06 New
        0
        and how not to cope with the duties. And for life
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 10 October 2013 08: 31 New
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      Quote: os9165
      Again, Medvedev will give Kemsku volost something else. Of course, you need to sell it, otherwise the Chinese will help in Turkey. Again Medvedev's request not to admit

      - the context was this: Obama decided to slightly change the EuroPRO format from the most dangerous for Russia to less dangerous, because this question arose even then, Medvedev had the task to solve it, he solved it as best he could. How could he? To humble the request, demonstrating the readiness to warmly thank and at the same time something menacingly bellowing about the Iskanders in the Kaliningrad Region. And when the Americans slightly changed the format of the Euro-missile defense, and changed for their own reasons and reasons, it seems that the dough was not enough, they presented this business as a great favor to Russia and at the same time as a great gift to it. Then they sat down at the table with a look of awaiting return gifts. Well, Medvedev was clearly not ready and gave them what was the first to come to hand there. And the first contract that came to hand was with Iran for the supply of this air defense system. It’s just that Medvedev’s logic is not entirely clear - I would like to thank the States, would I somehow thank at the expense of Russia, where does Iran and Russia's relations with Iran? And even better - if I just would verbally scatter in thanks and all business. Type "President of Russia D. Mededev praised the changes in the Euro-missile defense system, envisioned by the American administration ..." and hereinafter.
      In general, the rating is "unsuccessful"!
      1. Yura
        Yura 10 October 2013 09: 40 New
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        Quote: aksakal
        Medvedev - I wanted to thank the States, would I somehow thank at the expense of Russia, where does Iran and Russia's relations with Iran? And even better - if I just would verbally scatter in thanks and all business. Type "President of Russia D. Mededev praised the changes in the Euro-missile defense system, envisioned by the American administration ..." and hereinafter.

        The United States seems to have done what it can do best, trite it, the pancakes and crooks, who use the toilet paper after themselves, look back before throwing away if there is anyone around to poke grandmothers.
        1. rolik
          rolik 10 October 2013 15: 18 New
          +4
          Quote: Jura
          The United States seems to have done what they can do best, trivialized

          It was necessary to add a sucker, it is in this category that our plush kid can safely be attributed)))) Everything happened at this very moment when he was at the helm))))))
          For that, now there is a great opportunity to be afraid of such a large fine and put the required three hundred in Iran. Moreover, they do not fall under any offensive macarons under offensive weapons.
          1. Nitup
            Nitup 10 October 2013 16: 57 New
            +3
            Quote: rolik
            For that, it now opens up a great opportunity to be afraid of such a large fine and put the required three hundred in Iran

            Just do not forget to set bookmarks in these three hundred, or else we are friends today, and tomorrow, suddenly the power in Iran is changing (no matter how) and we are enemies.
            1. pint45
              pint45 10 October 2013 17: 06 New
              0
              For each rocket put code -8
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          2. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 10 October 2013 17: 07 New
            +2
            Quote: rolik
            For now, there is a great opportunity to be afraid of such a large fine

            Nope - a great opportunity opens up to bear the bear from the civil service
            and recover from him a forfeit
    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 10 October 2013 11: 24 New
      +7
      Quote: os9165
      The then president (Dmitry Medvedev), for strange reasons, decided to follow the UN resolution beyond measure, imposed a ban ...


      Yes, let it be a fool to pray to God, so the whole forehead will break. This presidency was a curiosity, now somehow we have to rake what a fool heaped up ...
    4. AVV
      AVV 10 October 2013 11: 48 New
      +2
      If China won the tender for the supply of air defense systems to Turkey, then God himself ordered us to correct our own mistakes, and put the air defense systems in Iran, unless of course 4 billion dollars are not superfluous to us, 3 billion of which someone simply wanted to earn extra money !!!
    5. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 10 October 2013 13: 27 New
      +1
      In a previous topic, he wrote that the Iranian analogue of the S-300 is already in service in Iran - HQ-9 in quantity 25 PU, range of targets fired at altitude 27 km and range 150 km.
      1. INTER
        INTER 10 October 2013 15: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: os9165
        Again, Medvedev will give Kemsku volost something else. Of course, you need to sell it, otherwise the Chinese will help in Turkey. Again Medvedev’s request not to admit.

        Maybe it was a peculiar move and these weapons have long been in their ranks, but this noise was raised to distract attention and quiet work. Assumptions!
        1. bif
          bif 10 October 2013 16: 02 New
          +3
          You're right. There is a number of information that indicates a compromise in the event Iran refuses s-300. Putin did not intervene during Medvedev's presidency, but apparently they promised something to Iran and gave some documentation on c-300 to create its own air defense system. This explains the ostentatious offense of Iran and the lethargy in the implementation of the lawsuit for a fabulous amount. Now a politically correct explanation is needed to lift the ban and start deliveries, I think they will refer to the new liberal course of the newly elected President of Iran or something like that. Z.Y. Iran nevertheless made its own air defense system, it was reported in 2012 about this, but I think it, like the Chinese "attempt", is far from the original in terms of capabilities.
      2. pint45
        pint45 10 October 2013 18: 38 New
        +1
        However, they were replenished, but the bins of the motherland were still full if not plundered.
    6. Bongo
      Bongo 10 October 2013 15: 21 New
      +4
      Does anyone see Medvedev as a self-indulgent politician who decides for himself?
      1. INTER
        INTER 10 October 2013 16: 05 New
        +3
        Quote: Bongo
        Does anyone see Medvedev as a self-indulgent politician who decides for himself?

        What does he have to do with it? It was for this purpose that they put him in order to remove someone, to appoint someone, to create something, and something not! Or rather, they did dirty, but necessary work with his hands, having done it someone after the rules of the ball, then communication and 5 players would have created problems, although they tried without it! In order to arrange the pieces or for further moves. It’s just that sometimes you give something in the game, figures, goals, coordinates, benefits, for the victory of the party (game)!
        1. Firstvanguard
          Firstvanguard 10 October 2013 17: 13 New
          +4
          Still there are naive believers in the "tandem"?
          On this, the journalists even caught the US Secretary of State Kerry, asking him the question that if the United States is ready for an open dialogue with Iran, then why should the US have a missile defense system? Kerry thought for a long time, produced something similar to mooing, but he did not find an intelligible answer ...

          Poor fellow, well, he couldn’t say frankly that the missile defense system is against Russia, although everyone already knows that, the politics of Mlyn wassat
    7. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 10 October 2013 18: 54 New
      0
      Interesting "checkers" of S-300 come out against their Chinese clone ...
    8. Roman_999
      Roman_999 10 October 2013 23: 45 New
      +1
      Mr. DAM is not a very pro-Russian man, in spite of his birth, residence, and current position, it is a pity that only one has to talk about the Russian President / Prime Minister .... In my opinion, it’s time to throw off the masks, leveling the enemies with dust and stone.
  2. King
    King 10 October 2013 07: 28 New
    10
    Yes, they would have set it all. and then boobs wrinkle. one thing another another one third. also mass media make an extra noise.
    1. svp67
      svp67 10 October 2013 07: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: King
      Yes, they would have set it all. and then boobs wrinkle. one thing another another one third. also mass media make an extra noise.

      Here you need to think carefully "If zhzhzhzh, then this is certainly not casual, zhzhzhzhzh, these are bees ..." So all this whistle is beneficial to someone - WHO? WHY? Or WHY, substitute Russia so that it would be forced to pay several times more than it would receive from a transaction
    2. Airman
      Airman 10 October 2013 09: 25 New
      +5
      Quote: King
      Yes, they would have set it all. and then boobs wrinkle. one thing another another one third. also mass media make an extra noise.

      I believe that the policy is DAM, not DAM, and if DAM, then it is NOT YOU that decorates the state, and managers are obliged to THINK about it.
  3. Strashila
    Strashila 10 October 2013 07: 40 New
    +2
    This is a question for psychiatrists.
  4. andrei332809
    andrei332809 10 October 2013 07: 49 New
    +6
    I don’t understand that ours are looking back at world liberals again? Yes, they don’t give a damn about them and the teddy bear, especially since no one gives him a positive assessment, and everyone is looking forward to when he will be evicted from the Kremlin. or can’t refuse any promises given to the Jews?
  5. NC1982
    NC1982 10 October 2013 07: 50 New
    +6
    How much can this topic be procrastinated already? They would have sold at least the S-400, appeased the Iranian comrades, and so they lost all their friends, so that even with the latter they would quarrel over some kind of carrier carrier ...
  6. Ihrek
    Ihrek 10 October 2013 07: 51 New
    13
    Medvedev placed US interests above Russian interests then.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 October 2013 08: 08 New
      15
      Quote: Jamal
      Medvedev placed US interests above Russian interests then.

      This is when he recognized the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia and began a war with Georgia, was it then he was guided by the interests of the United States?
      What is it, Medvedev is to blame everywhere, and Putin is that no one is in our country.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 10 October 2013 10: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        This is when he recognized the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia and began a war with Georgia, was it then he was guided by the interests of the United States?
        The killing of Russian citizens is a serious reason. If he had been silent then, his hostility would have been very noticeable.
        1. Zhenya
          Zhenya 10 October 2013 12: 23 New
          -1
          jamal 20 years, our government almost always put the interests of the United States above their own.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 October 2013 12: 41 New
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          . If he had been silent then, his hostility would have been very noticeable.

          Well, yes, yes, but what about the deliveries of C 300 to Syria and Yak 130 aircraft, which are already built and standing, are waiting for orders. Does Medvedev interfere, yes?
          1. Zhenya
            Zhenya 10 October 2013 13: 10 New
            0
            Who passes, explain your actions, but I wonder why they disagree with me wink That is, in your opinion, they didn’t sell the country. Our president didn’t bow to the USA in the 90s ?? They did not take loans from the IMF, that is, these were the interests of Russia, not the United States ??
            I did not know that to plunder and ruin my country was the interests of the state itself.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 10 October 2013 13: 54 New
              +2
              Quote: Marrying
              That is, in your opinion, they didn’t sell the country. Our president didn’t bow to the USA in the 90s ?? They did not take loans from the IMF, that is, these were the interests of Russia, not the United States ??

              - Yes, somehow we are here, including for the fact that we would have a good understanding of what is happening and we are worried! Somehow, we also do not like everything that is happening in our countries, but we are here just to understand more deeply. What do we see from you ?:
              1.
              Quote: Marrying
              That is, in your opinion, they did not sell the country,
              - who exactly where did he sell? Smoked Yapam Or the Germans Kaliningrad region? Or Siberia - to the Chinese? Explain what you are specifically unhappy with, what you sold out, and what you are voicing here is somehow extremely generalized, and it makes no sense; As far as I know, there was the only attempt to sell a serious economic Russian asset, but the attempt was thwarted, the criminal is still in prison, and the marsh are still trying to pull him out of there. Here, explain when you explain, write very specifically about the phenomenon that you do not like, then you can agree or disagree, and hence the pros or cons. And so - the minuses are just for some generalized dissatisfied grumbling, and it seems a dirty man in an alcoholic shirt with a faceted glass in one hand and pickles in the other.
              Quote: Marrying
              They did not take loans from the IMF, that is, these were the interests of Russia, not the United States ??
              - they were taken in the 90s when EBN was the President and Germans as the Deputy Prime Minister. But somehow suspiciously quickly after the cancellation of the Production Sharing Agreement Russia got money, within 2-3 years in my opinion, and she returned the money to the IMF and since then it either doesn’t take them or it takes exactly on some precisely targeted project with an exact layout, for which purpose it is taken. Such as in the 90s, when Russia poked a billion, of which 800 million had to be given to "Western consultants for particularly valuable advice on the successful development of this issued loan" - this has not happened for a long time.
              I personally clearly distinguish between Russia of the 90s and present Russia, respectively, the authorities of Russia of the 90s and the current authorities are also “two big differences”. There is even a difference in foreign policy in opposing the States. After all, Russia tried to confront the West in Yugoslavia, but could not do anything. Compare with the Syrian result. If for you that Russia is the same as the current one, then you have left here a long time ago, so you are not in Ursa, and post here it is not clear why and it is not clear what.
              If that, I did not minus. until you were indignant, I read your indignation and that’s what you are worthless. That would be concretized.
              1. Zhenya
                Zhenya 10 October 2013 16: 30 New
                -1
                aksakal
                1. You forgive me generously, but where does Russia and you, a citizen of another country ... I don’t understand this in the first place. No offense, banal interest. We have not been a single state for 20 years.
                2. They sold almost the entire industry, did not pay salaries for years, miners used helmets for all 90s, sold everything that could be sold, did not sell to China ?? Of course they didn’t sell them pieces of land every year, if you didn’t know, they stopped it not so long ago. To earn money and feed their families, young people went into bandits, as they paid and what happened after that? You can come to Moscow and see the cemeteries, where whole rows of guys are 22-25 years old. A lot of young people were chopped up, grandmothers climbed into garbage dumps, and even now the situation has not changed much ... WHAT DO I NOT LIKE ?? Are you laughing or what?
                3. I’m not talking about current Russia, although I can’t say such a big change, foreign policy is strong, but domestic leaves much to be desired. I say that for 20 years the government of my country has run errands for the United States and it is difficult to argue with this - this is just a fact.
                4. When was the last time you were in Russia? I haven’t gone anywhere and I have been living here all my life, like my parents, grandfathers, great-grandfathers, etc.
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 10 October 2013 19: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Does Medvedev interfere?

            I know your position on this issue. And I agree with her. Good and bad cops ...
      2. Snoop
        Snoop 10 October 2013 23: 09 New
        0
        So he did not immediately react. After all, at first our peacekeepers fought there surrounded. The troops were ready and awaiting the order of the commander in chief. And Comrade Medvedev began to wrinkle something boobs.
      3. Realist58
        Realist58 11 October 2013 02: 39 New
        0
        Actually, Georgia started a war with Russia.
        It is the US sources, otherwise ...
        We had every reason to ensure that this microführer would end like his predecessor (with gasoline, in the funnel at the Reich Chancellery).
    2. michajlo
      michajlo 10 October 2013 13: 43 New
      +1
      color = # 1F497D] jamal RU Today, 07:51 _131010 / even New

      Medvedev placed US interests above Russian interests then.

      Hello dear Waited!

      And what do you want from the "occupation power" ?! angry

      Slow down your patriots and slippers your shoe ka. request

      Such an unsightly but accurate term / name of the Russian government was used by Kasatonov in his speech at the MEF / (Mosk.Ekon.forume, 2013).
  7. Alikovo
    Alikovo 10 October 2013 07: 51 New
    +3
    Iran needs to put s-300 so that Americans describe themselves out of fear for the fate of their vassals.
    You can put and coastal missile system.
  8. Cpa
    Cpa 10 October 2013 07: 53 New
    10
    Why no one admits the idea that everything is going as planned. I believe that as soon as Iran and Russia agree on the division of the Caspian shelf, they will immediately install the complexes. They will legally find how to justify.
    1. Yura
      Yura 10 October 2013 11: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: KPA
      Why no one admits the idea that everything is going as planned. I believe that as soon as Iran and Russia agree on the division of the Caspian shelf, they will immediately install the complexes. They will legally find how to justify.

      An interesting look, believable, but is the motive decisive?
      1. alone
        alone 10 October 2013 21: 48 New
        +2
        Iran, having no s-300, does not agree with the Caspian section proposed by Russia. Do you think that as soon as they get the s-300 they will immediately agree? I think their appetites will increase significantly!
  9. Ulysses
    Ulysses 10 October 2013 08: 00 New
    +3
    They like to create problems for themselves and then to overcome them courageously.
  10. awg75
    awg75 10 October 2013 08: 01 New
    +3
    Medvedkin child of iPad - he is very far from Russia .... I think Uncle Vova will fix everything
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 October 2013 08: 05 New
      +7
      Quote: awg75
      .... I think Uncle Vova will fix everything

      You are about the supply of SU 35 to China, well, well
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 10 October 2013 10: 10 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        You are about the supply of SU 35 to China, well, well

        It’s like giving a bully a club, in the hope that he just won’t beat you! Where are the brains of our leadership ?? Or do they want to sell China chip-dried dryers? China does not need these aircraft for direct use, but for disassembling, creating drawings and stamping their own clones! Is it not clear ?? They do not need the plane itself as a weapon, but the secret technologies contained in it !!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 October 2013 10: 12 New
          +5
          Quote: GSH-18
          ! Where are the brains of our leadership?

          But, but, but easier. You do not run into the government, remember Medvedev is to blame for everything.
          And if, God forbid, Putin sells SU 35 to China, then remember, Medvedev will also be to blame for this, and no one else!
          1. alone
            alone 10 October 2013 21: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And if, God forbid, Putin sells SU 35 to China, then remember, Medvedev will also be to blame for this, and no one else!


            Of course DAM is to blame !! and who can blame it if not him? wassat
        2. ksan
          ksan 10 October 2013 14: 19 New
          +3
          GS-18 (1) RU Today, 10:10 ↑ New

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          You are about the supply of SU 35 to China, well, well

          It’s like giving a bully a club, in the hope that he just won’t beat you! Where are the brains of our leadership ?? Or do they want to sell China chip-dried dryers? China does not need these aircraft for direct use, but for disassembling, creating drawings and stamping their own clones! Is it not clear ?? They do not need the plane itself as a weapon, but the secret technologies contained in it !!
          Do you think that if you do not sell "clubs" for 15bn. Dol all over the world then no one will take this place ?? Or will the Chinese be buying junk from us ?? And the creation of a clone, which is almost always worse than the original, takes time for which a more perfect "original" appears. Yes, and with secret technologies it is not so simple (picked up and copied smile) Here is one example:
          Salyut will deliver by the end of this year, and the contract will be fully completed by 2013. The AL-31FN engines are installed on the Chinese J-10 and J-11 fighters, which are copies of the Su-27.



          It should be noted that China is increasing its regular purchases of Russian engines, due to the insufficient reliability of Chinese engines for military aircraft. So, in 2003, China acquired 54 engines from Russia, in 2007 - 100, and in 2009 - 122 aircraft engines. Most of the purchased engines were allegedly installed on export versions of Chinese military aircraft at the request of customers. Now China produces for the J-10 and J-11 fighter engines WS-10 in various versions.



          These engines copy the Russian AL-31, but differ from them in less traction, reliability and a shorter overhaul life. So. WS-10A engines are installed on the prototype of the Chinese deck fighter J-15 (copy of the Su-33), and WS-10G - on the prototype of the fifth generation fighter-bomber J-20. In addition to the AL-31FN, China regularly acquires Russian engines RD-93 (version RD-33 for the Chinese fighter FC-1, delivered to Pakistan as the JF-17).



          In 2010, the Russian companies Sukhoi and MiG demanded that Rosoboronexport stop supplying China with RD-93 engines due to China's intention to sell FC-1 fighters to Egypt, on whose market the MiG company with the MiG fighter planed to enter 29. Later it became known about the continued supply of these engines to China, since its fighter FC-1 in its characteristics will not compete with Russian aircraft.
          Read more: http://www.arms-expo.ru/050049054050124050052048056051.html
          And as far as I know, these planes, 24pcs. SU-35, were in a “package” with contracts of Gazprom and Rosneft for 20 years.
  11. Coward
    Coward 10 October 2013 08: 02 New
    +4
    And why no one thinks that the S-300 intended for Iran was redirected to Syria? Not from the air did they come from? And now, when the Syrian direction is closed, industry is fulfilling the Iranian order. And all this canoe with the ears of the UN sanctions for cover, so that they do not start screaming ahead of time.
  12. marat1000
    marat1000 10 October 2013 08: 09 New
    -17
    It is better for Iran to be friends with the United States, as Russia threw Iran, it will continue to throw. The United States will say throw, Russia will throw as Medvedev did when he signed a ban on the supply of S-300 air defense systems earlier.
    1. a52333
      a52333 10 October 2013 08: 45 New
      18
      RZHUNIMAGU !!!
      Iran is better to be friends with the United States
      USA is the best "friend" in the world !!! fool negative fool
      1. 0255
        0255 10 October 2013 09: 29 New
        +3
        Iran is better to be friends with the United States

        It was not from a good life that the Iranians overthrew the pro-American Shah in 1979.
        But Medvedev did ugly.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 10 October 2013 10: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: a52333
        "friend"

        Confused with the grave digger. Or with a gimmick. wassat
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 10 October 2013 09: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: marat1000
      Iran is better to be friends with the United States

      Something does not seem to me that America is ready to be friends with the ayatollah regime, even the liberal liberal Obama is unlikely to make such a friendship.
    3. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 10 October 2013 10: 39 New
      +3
      your brothers are always throwing "friends", Iran has already passed
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 10 October 2013 18: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: nov_tech.vrn
        your brothers are always throwing "friends", Iran has already passed
        Yeah, they throw something. Jimmy Carter, who is considered the worst president of the 20th century, and some (and not without reason) the worst at all times [worst President ever], completely indecently threw the shah, and instead of the triumph of democracy he received mullocracy. Obama, who vies with Carter for the title of [worst President ever], threw Mubarak in Egypt in exactly the same way - well, thanks there, even though the army fired in time and threw off the Muslim Brotherhood regime.
        What to do, American foreign policy is conducted on the word "democracy" just as Soviet was once conducted on the word "socialism". Unfortunately, the Muslim brothers are about as far from the democrats as, say, the former Somali dictator was before socialism - in both cases, it’s like cancer to China.
    4. PSih2097
      PSih2097 10 October 2013 14: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: marat1000
      Iran’s better friends with the US

      Egypt has already become friends ...
    5. ksan
      ksan 10 October 2013 14: 28 New
      +4
      marat1000 (4) RU Today, 08:09 AM

      Iran is better to be friends with the United States
      Yeah yeah wink How Americans are friends, we all know. It is a pity to Gaddafi and Saddam it did not immediately reach. fellow
  13. pinecone
    pinecone 10 October 2013 08: 22 New
    +4
    Apparently, the decisive role in this matter belongs to the Israeli "partners" of the Russian Federation.
  14. serge
    serge 10 October 2013 08: 25 New
    +2
    It is unclear what kind of discussion about the Medvedev decree on the sale of S-300. The decree is not a law, to cancel it by another decree, you need exactly five minutes.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 10 October 2013 10: 03 New
      +3
      But what about consistency in foreign policy? The USSR was respected in many respects precisely for its consistency and predictability. Of course, first of all, for strength, but also for consistency, too.
  15. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 10 October 2013 08: 25 New
    +2
    Or maybe they refused to supply in exchange for the cancellation of the attack on Iran? Who knows these secrets at the state level ...
  16. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 10 October 2013 08: 48 New
    +7
    The then president (Dmitry Medvedev), by
    strange
    reasons, deciding to follow the UN resolution beyond measure, imposed a ban on the supply to Iran of not only offensive weapons, but also defense equipment,

    DAM is a worthy successor to her “teachers” - Humpbacked and EBN, those too - “exceeded” the plan for disarmament of Russia, beyond the signed agreements, therefore, he is the same TRADER as they are, so there’s NOTHING STRANGE NO!
  17. Proud.
    Proud. 10 October 2013 08: 59 New
    15
    "Traditions" is true!
    1. ksan
      ksan 10 October 2013 15: 14 New
      +2
      Gordey. SU Today, 08:59

      "Traditions" is true!
      Proud ++++++! In recent years, too, the feeling that these are “twin brothers” has not left me. The same "smart", not meaningless speeches diluted with "buzzwords" like Perestroika and Acceleration, new thinking, Roadmap, innovation, etc. And the same irresponsibility for their actions and the actions of their subordinates, "increase the degree of responsibility at least up to 40 " hi
    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 10 October 2013 16: 01 New
      +2
      Nothing that I downloaded from you?
      1. Proud.
        Proud. 10 October 2013 18: 05 New
        +1
        I see no obstacles. hi
    3. alone
      alone 10 October 2013 21: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Be proud.
      "Traditions" is true!


      belay already bald and tagged !!
  18. INVESTOR
    INVESTOR 10 October 2013 09: 08 New
    0
    To believe that Russia received nothing in return from precisely the “suspension” of the contract is at least naive. The bargaining was unequivocal. President Madvedee is certainly a wimp, but such a concession would not be allowed to be done just like that, maybe it was then that we avoided the start of a big war, who knows ..
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 10 October 2013 16: 05 New
      0
      Americans took charge of applications from AY_TUNS for DAMS
  19. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 10 October 2013 09: 09 New
    +4
    DAMA for the ban partners fitted iPhone.
  20. Mikado
    Mikado 10 October 2013 09: 19 New
    +1
    They were planning to supply Iran with the S-300PMU-2, and the PMU-1 probably have not been assembled for ten years, if not more. But in general, it’s all demagogy, they would like to put it on - they did it, and Medvedev did not stop any decree, so the author is trying to find a nonexistent black cat in a black room.
  21. andr1966a
    andr1966a 10 October 2013 09: 20 New
    +4
    I would have shot for less damage, and then 4 billion. An effective manager. We don’t hand over our own. And what’s most interesting, they don’t leave, they don’t leave a place worthy
    1. a52333
      a52333 10 October 2013 09: 26 New
      +5
      How will he leave! The iPhone must be practiced!
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 October 2013 09: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: andr1966a
      I would have shot for less damage, and then 4 billion. An effective manager

      And now that Putin will not restore the contract and will not deliver C 300 to Iran? Iran will be for and will not demand unrest or Medvedev does not allow Putin to do this?
      1. ksan
        ksan 10 October 2013 14: 55 New
        0
        Alexander Romanov (1) RU Today, 09: 32 ↑

        Quote: andr1966a
        I would have shot for less damage, and then 4 billion. An effective manager

        And now that Putin will not restore the contract and will not deliver C 300 to Iran? Iran will be for and will not demand unrest or Medvedev does not allow Putin to do this?
        Yes they will deliver 100% wink .Not S-300PMU-1 so S-300VM or S-350, I think just now they decide how to "prettier" to smooth out all the mistakes in connection with the "stupid" decree of Medvedev and the Iranian suit that followed.
  22. INVESTOR
    INVESTOR 10 October 2013 10: 09 New
    +2
    A good site, but why so much spam on links around? Twice already the virus caught. Shame on the administration.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 10 October 2013 10: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: INVESTOR
      A good site, but why so much spam on links around? Twice already the virus caught. Shame on the administration.

      I agree with you. Only Firefox filters save. There are too many left and useless links here. Administration, take care!
      1. michajlo
        michajlo 10 October 2013 17: 44 New
        +1
        INVESTOR RU Today, 10:09 _131010 / even
        GS-18 (1) RU Today, 10:17 ↑


        Hello dear!

        Regarding links, I am not sure what is the responsibility of Admins.
        Perhaps if they are indicated in the article ?, but if the forum users are on the links from us, then no one will give you any guarantee. In addition, today this link is "clean", and tomorrow a "heap of viruses" will hang on it.

        And you install on your PC, as the "second OS" of any of Linux, and you can "cough" down all viruses on the Internet.

        I personally have been working on the Internet for 4 years only from Linux / Ubuntu (in reserve Debian, Scientific Linux, RERemix) and Windows is only for my wife and some programs.

        Sincerely, Mikhailo.
      2. poquello
        poquello 10 October 2013 21: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: GSH-18
        Only Firefox filters save.


        what kind of filters I have nothing
  23. tennis
    tennis 10 October 2013 10: 27 New
    +1
    I don’t understand what Medvedev is doing there. From him more harm than good.
  24. scientist
    scientist 10 October 2013 10: 56 New
    +2
    It is unclear what preferences from the West Medvedev had counted on when he refused to fulfill the contract with Iran. But now nothing is stopping Iran from buying a Chinese HQ-16, or maybe technology like Turkey did.
    When, in the same way, the contract with Yugoslavia was broken, the American military applauded while standing on a combat mission to launch the bombing of this country. At the same time, US intelligence agencies spent only a few million dollars on bribes to Rosoboronexport and individual members of the EBN government.
    I wonder how much it cost an American to sabotage a contract with Iran. Maybe Snowden will tell you.
    The fact that Putin promised to supply Iran with the S-300VM is a very competent decision. China will not create such a thing soon. The S-300VM is much more suited for creating a tactical missile defense in the area of ​​nuclear facilities in Bushehr than the obsolete S-300PMU1. .
  25. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 10 October 2013 11: 03 New
    +1
    <<< After all, if negotiations are currently underway between Russia and Iran on the start of deliveries of the S-300 to Tehran, then this somehow has to be presented inside Russia ... >>>
    There is NO problem in this and no need to invent it! Just do not focus on the obvious, very mildly speaking, stupidity, which was made with the ban of these supplies. The situation in the world is changing and, accordingly, the approach to the problem is changing. It is clear that the supply of an air defense complex of interest to Iran must be implemented! And, moreover, it is in the interests of Russia! Although in some ways Iran will have to meet in order to avoid the claim put forward by it earlier.
    1. ksan
      ksan 10 October 2013 15: 32 New
      0
      Goldmitro RU Today, 11:03 Although Iran will have to meet something in some way in order to avoid the claim put forward by it earlier.
      I also think that there is simply a search for mutually acceptable solutions. Many experts believe that the main goal of Iran is not to receive a large amount of forfeit under military agreements; by filing a lawsuit, Tehran seeks to stimulate Moscow to renew a contract for the supply of anti-aircraft missile systems. At the same time, the amount of the claim was deliberately overstated so that Russia could explain the resumption of S-300 supplies by its reluctance to lose significant funds. hi
  26. Altona
    Altona 10 October 2013 11: 39 New
    +1
    For me, for example, everything is clear ... Concessions to America were a condition for Dimon to receive new iPhones, MacBooks, Aipads and Hasselblads ... bully
  27. v.lyamkin
    v.lyamkin 10 October 2013 12: 08 New
    0
    The casket can simply be opened, in the sense of canceling the decree. Somewhere at the conference, Medvedev announces like: No. Boys, he was wrong, his mood was bad. Turn it back. "And that’s all. For some reason, Assad doesn’t think it’s a shame to say that he was wrong in some places.
  28. major071
    major071 10 October 2013 12: 10 New
    +4
    That's right when Zadornov said it: D.A. Medvedev is a good president, but just naive. He believes in everything they say, and even more the Internet. DAM - do not be so gullible, even to the Internet, even to people. It is clear that not all the decrees were personally from him, the friends tried, but being a puppet in the wrong hands is not good. stop
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 11 October 2013 00: 00 New
      0
      Quote: major071 _131010 / even
      That's right when Zadornov said it: D.A. Medvedev is a good president, but just naive. He believes in everything they say, and even more the Internet. DAM - do not be so gullible, even to the Internet, even to people. It is clear that not all the decrees were personally from him, the friends tried, but being a puppet in the wrong hands is not good. stop

      Hello dear Vladimir!

      And why are you actually and most are also sure that DAM is soft, weak and stupid?
      You do not admit that such a “Boy-Bad Boy” role was simply prepared for him by the directors of the entire production of “The 4-year reign of the occupation authorities for simpletons,”
      and that he was not “paid out with banknotes” not for his smart appearance, stomping his legs, severe frowning of his eyebrows,
      but only for HIS NEEDED bad decisions, "mistakes", awarding the Orders of Rosiii to all bastards, traitors and murderers ?! request

      I wouldn’t be reckless to consider any politician a fool or simpletons, in my opinion, they are all just “dolls or nesting dolls” for theatrical amusement of a trusting philistine with a short memory, at the expense of the same kind and generous citizens. fool

      After all, the same "jester and swindler" Vladimir Volfovich, oh yes not a simple and intelligent man! But they pay him and keep him, ONLY for "state need."

      Good night everybody. Mikhailo. hi
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 11 October 2013 00: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: michajlo
        And why are you actually and most are also sure that DAM is soft, weak and stupid?
        You do not admit that the role of such a "Bad Boy" was simply prepared for him by the directors of the entire production
        This could be believed if nothing had been known about him before he emerged in the power elite. But ... as a teacher of Roman law, he did not show himself ANYTHING, distinguished by type for the better ... I can’t believe that he suddenly became a wise, penetrating, and even talented actor to play so brilliantly mediocre ... request
  29. Deniska
    Deniska 10 October 2013 12: 14 New
    -2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Jamal
    Medvedev placed US interests above Russian interests then.

    This is when he recognized the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia and began a war with Georgia, was it then he was guided by the interests of the United States?
    What is it, Medvedev is to blame everywhere, and Putin is that no one is in our country.



    It is clear that without PU could not do.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 October 2013 12: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Deniska
      It is clear that without PU could not do.

      Well, damn it, damn it, as for the independence of Abkhazia, so Putin steered, and as with the S 300 complexes to Iran, so Putin was not there. All Medvedev, all by himself.
      1. ksan
        ksan 10 October 2013 15: 38 New
        0
        Alexander Romanov (1) RU Today, 12: 17 ↑

        Quote: Deniska
        It is clear that without PU could not do.

        Well, damn it, damn it, as for the independence of Abkhazia, so Putin steered, and as with the S 300 complexes to Iran, so Putin was not there. All Medvedev, all by himself.
        Alexander do you really believe in the existence of the "Tandem" smile I think now few people believe that Medvedev and Putin are one team hi
    2. alone
      alone 10 October 2013 21: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Deniska
      It is clear that without PU could not do.


      In Russia, GDP decides everything in such matters!
      1. michajlo
        michajlo 11 October 2013 00: 08 New
        0
        Quote: lonely _1311010 / even
        Quote: Deniska
        It is clear that without PU could not do.


        In Russia, GDP decides everything in such matters!

        Hello Omar!

        Or he successfully pretends that "he decides everything" lol request and constantly corrects the "mistakes / but not everything according to plan" of the partner in the deuce of Medvedev ...
  30. Powder donut
    Powder donut 10 October 2013 12: 23 New
    0
    Wow! someone else believes in the existence of a tandem :))) I thought everyone and so everyone understood from the very beginning who is in charge of this "tandem"
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 10 October 2013 14: 21 New
      0
      Quote: DonutPowder
      I thought to everyone, and so everyone understood from the very beginning who was in charge of this "tandem"

      Or the Morgans or the Rothschilds with the Rockefellers? wassat
    2. michajlo
      michajlo 11 October 2013 00: 14 New
      0
      Quote: DonutPowder
      Wow! someone else believes in the existence of a tandem :))) I thought everyone and so everyone understood from the very beginning who is in charge of this "tandem"

      Hello dear Daniel!

      And this option, you do not take into account that both of them are a “tandem of equal persons”, they just have different roles from the beginning. One is Malchish-Kibalchish and the other is Malchish-Plohish ?! smile
  31. Internal combustion engine
    Internal combustion engine 10 October 2013 12: 24 New
    0
    With this power, there will be no supplies of S-300 to Iran and Syria, and I think it would be possible to stop procrastinating this topic already. This is a simple PR Putin designed for children and young people.
  32. ran nearby
    ran nearby 10 October 2013 12: 39 New
    +2
    Looking from the side, the inconsistent policy of the Russian Federation is somewhat surprising. They’ll surrender allies, then they canceled themselves at the expense of the transaction ...
    It seems to mine, sho behind all this there are considerable money in the pockets of officials :(
  33. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 10 October 2013 13: 09 New
    +2
    It is time for people to already understand that words and deeds are two different things. And they usually judge not by words, but by results. What we have today, everyone knows. I was somehow struck by a bitter laugh when I heard how they said on TV that average teachers had a salary of 28000 in the country. He would have asked about this from teachers in Kaluga at a rate of 8900, and in the region from teachers at a rate of 12-14 thousand with the dialed hours.
    1. ksan
      ksan 10 October 2013 15: 44 New
      0
      I was somehow struck by a bitter laugh when I heard on TV they said that the average salary in a country for teachers is 28000.
      It's like the "average temperature in the hospital", the salary of Livanov + all managers + "aunt Masha from Kaluga" is taken and divided into ALL, here you have 28t.r. hi
  34. In the reeds
    In the reeds 10 October 2013 13: 25 New
    -2
    Quote: pinecone
    Apparently, the decisive role in this matter belongs to the Israeli "partners" of the Russian Federation.

    Not decisive, mutually acceptable. Four billion from Iran, four from Georgia (by American check) are not worth the lives of either your or our pilots.
  35. nod739
    nod739 10 October 2013 14: 48 New
    +1
    if you don’t understand the motivation of the politician, most likely you don’t know something ...
    But seriously, GDP, IMHO. deliberately postponed the delivery of air defense systems for later, - giving DAM independence, in which case someone barks - DAM is an independent figure. Well, to issue a new decree, well, it's not mine to extract ore from the bowels.
    On the account that the left hand does not know what the right does. so the world does not stand still. there and staff talked about the dialogue, then one conjuncture is political. now is another
  36. abc_alex
    abc_alex 10 October 2013 16: 30 New
    0
    There is no problem resuming delivery. And no one will be harmed. Everything is simple. As you know, the S-300 with the index "P" can be used regularly to destroy ground targets. So to call the S-300 like that all purely defensive weapons is very crafty :)

    And the S-300 with the index "B" EMNIP does not shoot at ground targets (in any case, the developer does not declare such a possibility). Just now they say that instead of "P ..." they will put "B ...". So everything is fine.

    Well, in short, politics by politics, but you need to know the hardware :)
  37. Cherdak
    Cherdak 10 October 2013 19: 04 New
    0
    Alexander Gorbenko examined this question in detail: "The supply of anti-aircraft systems to Iran will be resumed. What should I do with Medvedev’s decree prohibiting it?" http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_28899/
  38. Cherdak
    Cherdak 10 October 2013 19: 19 New
    +3
    Suddenly a fresh caricature appeared, in the wickedness of the day
  39. PValery53
    PValery53 10 October 2013 19: 37 New
    0
    Something about the "Kemsky volost" at DAM is not all right.
  40. Boris63
    Boris63 10 October 2013 19: 54 New
    +1
    At one time, an unofficial "bullet" was launched that we are blocking the supply of S-300 to Iran, and the Israelis of some "bells and whistles" to Georgia. I can’t answer for the exact accuracy (of course), but there were rumors.
  41. Mark III
    Mark III 10 October 2013 21: 19 New
    0
    I don’t understand what the problem is? Time and situation have changed, and the approach has changed. Won the Yankees several times a week change their position based on their own interests and do not bother.
  42. Russophile
    Russophile 10 October 2013 22: 03 New
    0
    Quote: svp67
    As not justified the trust ....

    And how he did not cope with his duties And for life
  43. Budilnik
    Budilnik 10 October 2013 22: 36 New
    0
    Young, but as he caved in front of the Zionists, he hit directly with his forehead. It will go far ...
  44. aszzz888
    aszzz888 10 October 2013 23: 31 New
    0
    "See the root." K.Prutkov.
    C-300, C-400 ... all this is so, but until they decide on energy resources and their distribution, such will be the policy of selling arms to Iran.
  45. voliador
    voliador 10 October 2013 23: 36 New
    0
    Since it is not subject to sanctions, it is possible to sell (and it is necessary).