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On the seas, on the waves ... Ukrainian armored personnel carriers are floating

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Ukraine’s reputation as a world-class supplier of military equipment in the course of fulfilling the Iraqi contract suffered significant damage.

So, in September, 2009, Ukraine signed a contract for the supply of 420 BTR-4 to Iraq. The Americans lobbied this deal as a thank you to Ukraine for the participation of Ukrainian servicemen in a special operation in the Persian Gulf.

It would seem that the Ukrainian side needs to rejoice - the country will receive 600 million dollars, the capacities of the huge Malyshev Kharkov machine-building plant, which, like air, needs orders, will be loaded - but no. The problems started immediately: it turned out that the BTR-4E planned for delivery had not yet passed state tests and the production was not ready for the release of this combat vehicle. Despite this, the plant’s management decided to take the risk and, having signed the contract, received an advance payment. Already during the testing of the first BTRs, it turned out that the guns, which fired quite satisfactorily at the BTR-3, did not work properly on the new BTR-4. It was also found that the plant’s management used the funds allocated for the production of the BTR-4 for other purposes. Even the dismissal of the general designer M. Borisyuk did not help - the delivery times were already violated at 4 of the month. At the same time, the scandal between the US-Ukrainian intermediaries because of the lone commissions on the deal gained momentum. It is not excluded that this complex of problems led to the fact that Iraq refused to accept the delivered batch of Ukrainian armored personnel carriers. Now, buyers do not consider this technique to be the best in the world, but insist that the equipment is not only old, but also rusty.

In the meantime, the supplier does not find a way out of their current situation, the shipowner who delivered the cargo from fifty BTR-4E to Iraq suffers huge losses due to the forced drift in the Persian Gulf. For half a year, armored personnel carriers have been swimming in the seas, on the waves. No port agrees to receive a vessel with armored personnel carriers on board. And there is no order from the Ukrainian manufacturers for the shipowner to return the armored personnel carriers to Ukraine. The management of the carrier company all the time trying to contact the supplier, but so far to no avail. Shipowner representative A. Varvarenko complains: “Today, none of the exporter’s representatives answer calls, do not pick up the phone. We view the cargo as abandoned.” (By the way, the price of each combat vehicle is a little over a million dollars).

It is known that the manufacturers admitted that they sent the customer the unused equipment. The head of the engineering plant them. Malyshev is justified: "It, as they say, from the knees - a drawing, a workplace, a product. Therefore there were flaws. But we managed to organize." Malyshevists claim that officially the Iraqi side did not send a complaint to the manufacturer for the equipment, and, therefore, all the negative information about the supplied armored personnel carriers was greatly exaggerated. As of today, the Iraqi side has already delivered 88 fighting vehicles. The fate of the rest of the 332 armored personnel carriers, which must be delivered under the terms of the contract, is still questionable.

It seems that Kiev will fight for the contract to the bitter end. National prestige and position among world exporters is at stake weapons.

Materials used:
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1136907
http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/246120.html
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  1. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 10 October 2013 07: 40 New
    22
    Soon it will be cheaper to send all the iron to the bottom together with the vessel, so that the insurance at least somehow covers the costs. lol
    What are Ukrainians stupid for? request they would have floated their "armored vehicles" to Africa long ago - there are constant fights, they take everything there. wink I even saw the T-34 in Bati’s pictures from Angola, but here are new armored personnel carriers ... They’ll tear it off with their hands wassat
    1. King
      King 10 October 2013 07: 49 New
      18
      T-34 much more successful car than Ukrainian armored personnel carriers.
      1. svp67
        svp67 10 October 2013 07: 56 New
        18
        Quote: King
        T-34 much more successful car than Ukrainian armored personnel carriers.

        The irony of fate, because they were created at the same factory ....
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 10 October 2013 15: 46 New
          +2
          And after the war, Morozov could not do anything, eventually gave birth to the T-64, which for 20 years did not even learn to break stupidly.
      2. rumpeljschtizhen
        rumpeljschtizhen 10 October 2013 20: 36 New
        +1
        even for sarcasm bust
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      3. Bagel
        Bagel 11 October 2013 00: 56 New
        -1
        Well, yes, your "Bulava" too, what you need :). The slingshot shoots farther and more accurately!
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 10 October 2013 07: 51 New
      +8
      Yes to Africa everything! Only the price will have to move.
      1. AVV
        AVV 10 October 2013 08: 56 New
        +1
        Now you have to give scrap metal for the price, maybe you have to pay for not unloading !!! And also all the penalties for downtime at the ports !!!
      2. rolik
        rolik 10 October 2013 15: 59 New
        +4
        Quote: Igor39
        Only the price will have to move.

        1 APC per ton of bananas))))
        1. Landwarrior
          Landwarrior 10 October 2013 18: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: rolik
          1 APC per ton of bananas))))

          Not necessary. Africa is full of other nishtyaks such as gold and diamonds wink
          In the end, you can give up on a thread of concession. There are many options, but it is necessary for the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry to instruct the ambassadors of the ass from the seats to tear them off and stirs to begin. am There are a lot of solutions. But for this it moves and not wait like the Chinese "when the corpse of your enemy floats along the river" hi
    3. a52333
      a52333 10 October 2013 08: 34 New
      +2
      So they shoot through time !!! fellow
      the guns that fired quite satisfactorily on the BTR-3 did not work properly on the new BTR-4.
      Or so purely for "pokatushek" on the sands?
      1. VARCHUN
        VARCHUN 21 October 2013 13: 06 New
        0
        If you will be all that is written then it is useless with you. If I said that the T-90 is shit because it’s old and not acceptable, what would you say.
    4. Rustam
      Rustam 10 October 2013 08: 39 New
      13
      Initially, it was clear that the machine was damp, failed to pass the required tests - it had to be delivered by hundreds to the Iraqi side

      although the first 2 parties were accepted and there are no questions, but here Iraq went into a row, it’s clear that someone and someone shared the percentages

      Yes, according to BTR-4E, I think this party will return to Ukraine and finally the new BTR-4E will arrive in the Ukrainian army, and the market prospects for this model are gloomy and apparently a few tens of units are all that threatens this car

      Because it is impossible without preparation and testing to sell an allegedly perfect product called BTR-4E, and especially in large quantities, well, Ukrspetsexport also holds defense, such as do not care for the load

      Malyshev factory is unable to produce large quantities of armored personnel carriers, and this is the main problem - no more than 100 per year

      this is not for you AMZ which in that year produced more than 500 units, though it was mainly exported, at the same time filling up state defense orders for 82A-trying to catch up now
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 10 October 2013 10: 32 New
        +5
        Quote: Rustam
        Yes, according to BTR-4E, I think this party will return to Ukraine and finally the new BTR-4E will arrive in the Ukrainian army


        this is unlikely, firstly they are not included in planned purchases for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, therefore, someone will have to pay for them, most likely the costs will fall on the flimsy budget of Ukraine, the second prepayment must be returned, which everyone understands is no longer there. most likely they will still be boiled to someone with an awesome discount, or returned to the factory where they will rot.
    5. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 10 October 2013 12: 30 New
      +6
      Quote: Landwarrior
      Soon it will be cheaper to send all the iron to the bottom together with the ship in order to ...


      So it was time to think. Everything is simple right there. The transport company goes bankrupt, assets are quickly sold. The vessel with the cargo passes to a third party, the person uses it at its discretion.
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 10 October 2013 18: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Geisenberg
        So it was time to think. Everything is simple right there. The transport company goes bankrupt, assets are quickly sold. The vessel with the cargo passes to a third party, the person uses it at its discretion.

        Also a solution, but this is for the most extreme case, when the costs exceed the cost of the goods winked
      2. VARCHUN
        VARCHUN 21 October 2013 13: 08 New
        0
        As everything is simple, but in fact it’s not so. The customer simply put the brakes on the carriage or the grandmas ended. There is no other way. Put the equipment that doesn’t shoot this obsurdge for yourself.
    6. waisson
      waisson 10 October 2013 20: 18 New
      +3
      Americans do not give they dictate what and where and to whom
    7. fedorovith
      fedorovith 10 October 2013 21: 16 New
      +4
      Just ki-well-whether .. With whom? What? Someone will heat up, it’s a pity the people cheated.
    8. Sashko07
      Sashko07 15 October 2013 13: 47 New
      0
      http://warfiles.ru/show-40824-rossiya-pytaetsya-sorvat-kontrakt-na-postavku-450-

      ukrainskih-btr-v-irak.html here everything is described why Ukrainian armored personnel carriers cannot reach Iraq. As they say - who would doubt it.
  2. Esso
    Esso 10 October 2013 07: 57 New
    +4
    Yes, we were chasing money, but we didn’t check anything, the factory management was corrupt, they did their job, Ukraine was damaged, and Iraq is already looking in the direction of BTR-82 (A) and is interested!
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  3. Ulysses
    Ulysses 10 October 2013 08: 23 New
    +9
    Make a giveaway right at sea.
    Those interested from Somalia, Yemen, Sudan there. smile
  4. kafa
    kafa 10 October 2013 08: 25 New
    11
    the chiefs stole the money and the plant is to blame ... collect them, batten them down in these armored personnel carriers and give these "canned food" to the cute Papuans (preferably cannibalistic tribes) laughing
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 10 October 2013 16: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: kafa
      the chiefs stole the money and the plant is to blame ... collect them, batten them down in these armored personnel carriers and give these "canned food" to the cute Papuans (preferably cannibalistic tribes)

      And who will bear the cost of transporting "canned food" to the United States?
  5. awg75
    awg75 10 October 2013 08: 34 New
    -4
    born drink cannot fly.
    1. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 10 October 2013 21: 11 New
      +5
      Quote: awg75
      born drink cannot fly.


      ... but "floats" and how "floats"!
      Do not drown for six months? Not request
  6. Curious
    Curious 10 October 2013 08: 37 New
    +4
    They thought to trade like in the USSR. Sent the goods, and then not your problems. It turns out that even with Asia it is necessary to trade honestly. In general, a funny situation.
    1. shark
      shark 10 October 2013 09: 10 New
      10
      Now ukrpatrioty run-minuses will instruct you laughing
    2. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 10 October 2013 09: 33 New
      19
      Did you trade during the Soviet era? Equipment for export passed such control. such an institution of military representatives. If the sidelight was damaged during transportation by car, the equipment was rejected. The owners of the equipment in the Union, who got the export option, considered it happiness. Iraq is not that independent in making decisions. Someone is blowing in the ears. You, too, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan are negotiating with Turkey on armament issues and with NATO on the training of officers. You also have something to think about, "funny situation".
      To gloat is a bad trait. Just a joke
      -Izya! do you have an apartment
      -There is.
      -And I have.
      -Aram doesn’t. Let's buy it.
      -Givi! Do you have a car?
      -There is.
      -And I have.
      -And Ashot doesn’t. Let's buy it.
      - Petka? Did you sit
      -Sat.
      -And I sat
      -And Vanka did not sit. Let's plant.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 10 October 2013 15: 48 New
        +4
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        You, too, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan are negotiating with Turkey on weapons issues and with NATO to train officer personnel.

        One of the countries you listed ALREADY trained its "cadres" in Hungary (a NATO member), until one "patriot" cut his fellow student's skull with an ax (from another CIS country), apparently in an overabundance of this "patriotism" request
        I deliberately do not cite the nationalities of the "participants" in the tragic events, this question is very complicated ...

        P \ S: And what does "You too" mean? A hint that Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan are in the "sphere of influence" of the Russian Federation?
        Then you need to talk AT ALL about everything EX-USSR ...
    3. IRBIS
      IRBIS 10 October 2013 10: 01 New
      13
      Quote: Interested
      It turns out that even with Asia it is necessary to trade honestly. In general, a funny situation.

      Very funny. It's not gas from Russia to tyrit. Here the expression "And sho ...?" does not roll.
      1. VARCHUN
        VARCHUN 21 October 2013 13: 17 New
        +1
        Listen to tyrit or tyril gas. Russia is not the people, but bureaucrats, which you have no less in Russia. But in Kharkov you can do tanks and equipment, see where your T-90 and our equipment are exported. All the evil from the politicians selling you like that and with us.
  7. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 10 October 2013 08: 56 New
    +1
    Yes, to China - to sell for "processing", until the corrosion has eaten! China carries scrap metal from Russia and Kazakhstan in echelons, and in general, any metal - under the guise of "scrap metal".
  8. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 10 October 2013 08: 59 New
    +6
    In terms of corruption, Ukraine certainly does not differ from Iraq, here they really found each other, it is strange that the Americans cannot force their Ukrainian and Iraqi sixes to agree, maybe the Americans and their affairs are full, how many days are left before the default? They would at least These armored vehicles were sold for scrap, at least it will be of some use, well, it remains to throw them into the sea, although I doubt that Vladyka Neptune will accept this city and the sea with obscenities will not push it somewhere to the coast of Odessa. But in general, the question is not resentment, how bad things are in Russia, but Ukraine can do anything besides girls and fat?
    1. general
      general 10 October 2013 10: 47 New
      -17 qualifying.
      The torch on the avatar is not an Olympic-Sochi hour? Give a lighter?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 10 October 2013 11: 54 New
        14
        Quote: chung
        The torch on the avatar is not an Olympic-Sochi hour? Give a lighter?

        Envy silently!
        1. stranik72
          stranik72 10 October 2013 21: 40 New
          +5
          What to envy, 5 times went out, a new "record" of the Olympics.
          1. MG42
            MG42 10 October 2013 23: 07 New
            +4
            Quote: stranik72
            What to envy, 5 times went out, a new "record" of the Olympics.

            It all started in Greece ... the athlete carrying the torch ran the wrong way; guards returned him to our news showed this curiosity.
            And here is a video of how the Olympic torch went out in front of onlookers. Maybe the Greeks slipped substandard?
      2. IRBIS
        IRBIS 10 October 2013 12: 04 New
        10
        Quote: chung
        Give a lighter?

        Is there gas in the lighter? Managed to steal?
        1. VARCHUN
          VARCHUN 21 October 2013 13: 21 New
          0
          as you understand, you all know who is tyrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Ukraine is also gas tyrrrrrrrrrrrr.
      3. Zopuhhh
        Zopuhhh 10 October 2013 21: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: chung
        Give a lighter?

        And where will the gas in the lighter come from? Shale or stolen from a pipe?
      4. freedom2013
        freedom2013 10 October 2013 22: 58 New
        +2
        Sorry, but you also have it at their factory. Malysheva done. If yes, then this is superfluous.
      5. freedom2013
        freedom2013 10 October 2013 23: 01 New
        0
        And you have it with a case n production plant them. Malysheva. If so, give it to Iraq. laughing
        1. VARCHUN
          VARCHUN 21 October 2013 13: 22 New
          0
          No in Togliatti on the Vaz.
  9. shurup
    shurup 10 October 2013 09: 02 New
    0
    Let them sell to Russia. She will buy and lobby for Ukraine’s participation in some special operation.
  10. theadenter
    theadenter 10 October 2013 09: 14 New
    +2
    The plant management knew what was going on. They probably thought that in Iraq the people were illegible and would be happy to pick up the crooked cars.
    As a result, the management of the plant, firstly, made an unprofessional decision, and secondly, significantly spoiled its reputation.
    The fight for the contract is already reeking of a simple attempt to hold on to the positions of senior officials. Profukali contract ...
    1. VARCHUN
      VARCHUN 21 October 2013 13: 24 New
      0
      Why are you kidding me here stupidly the work of intelligence and possibly the Dacherossiysk, as their armored personnel carriers didn’t take root there.
  11. Anubis
    Anubis 10 October 2013 09: 27 New
    10
    If the goods are regarded as abandoned, let the captain swim closer to the shores of Somalia. There, the pirates will happily take over the ownerless goods laughing
  12. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 10 October 2013 09: 44 New
    +5
    Rust, as you know, is orange!
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 10 October 2013 16: 08 New
      +7
      Quote: Yoon Klob
      Rust, as you know, is orange!

      No, Ukraine has already "invented" "white - blue" (the colors of the Rygonov Party) rust, corroding Ukraine - Russian relations are also (if not more) effective ...
      1. Bagel
        Bagel 11 October 2013 01: 13 New
        +4
        And here is the Party of Regions !!! You Russians will always be able to find the extreme! Gas, fraternally - the most expensive! We poison you with the poorer, our cheeses, sweets, milk! Fraternal Ukraine is to blame for all the troubles! Jah. And you are saints. And the fact that 4 years in a row I bow to you in white stone as a job asking you not to make the price of gas, notice low, but fair, that’s nothing, the norm! Yes, in Ukraine, even those who were an ardent supporter of rapprochement with Russia, spit! As they say: beat your own, so that strangers are afraid? No, enough! Personally, I really love the Russian people and Russia, but you Russians are alienating us from you!
      2. VARCHUN
        VARCHUN 21 October 2013 13: 28 New
        0
        Oh well, you were the first to cry from this. You’re afraid that the borders will not be covered. With Belarus, they bickered with Ukraine too, and then they tremble supposedly into the EU. They need to negotiate normally and not look at others, Time is not right .
  13. Horde
    Horde 10 October 2013 09: 47 New
    12
    hold on brothers Ukrainians malorosy everything will work out
  14. uhu189
    uhu189 10 October 2013 10: 19 New
    18
    It’s okay to gloat - people have trouble, but then all their teeth are grinning. Do we have a little technical equipment rejected? Yes, and not the fact that there really were technical defects, it is quite possible that the corruption component or trivial political pressure. Especially if you recall that the United States has recently flown into Iraq nearly one and a half thousand of its old tracked armored personnel carriers at bargain prices, then it becomes a little clear where the Ukrainians could have problems. Apparently, according to experts from Iraq, the old and worn-out equipment of the 60's from the USA, by definition, is technically better than new machines from Ukraine ...
    1. Evgeny_Lev
      Evgeny_Lev 10 October 2013 10: 34 New
      +2
      Trouble?
      What?
      The enemy attacked, but there is no strength to fight back? Plague? What kind of natural disaster?
      1. uhu189
        uhu189 10 October 2013 10: 56 New
        20
        And you do not see, or pretend that you do not see? And is the hang of a contract for the supply of 2's hundreds of pieces of equipment a trifle? The fact that ordinary people, that they will work at a plant in Kharkov without money, will be a trifle, too, nonsense? You know, sometimes it’s sickening to read such comments ... As the last ur..dy got better - Ukraine is in trouble - it means cool, a trifle, but it's nice ... What did the Ukrainians do to you? Or is everything so perfect in our country that you can water others with mud? I understand that there is an acute hostility to the leadership of Ukraine, I also have it, but what about our leadership, which is better? Or now will we judge people by looking at the country's authorities? So then I’m afraid no one will say anything good for us ... Maybe you should think a little before chopping off your shoulder?
        1. ildar335
          ildar335 10 October 2013 18: 03 New
          -1
          uhu189 do not push !!! nothing prevents the Ukrainians from gathering and weighing Yanukovych at the gate and happy to hang a sign "traitor" !!!!!
          but the brotherly people will cry to the amers, pouring dirt on Russia !!! THIS THIS LIFE IS STILLING !!!!!!!! Ugh! OTHER !!!!
          1. uhu189
            uhu189 10 October 2013 22: 13 New
            +6
            Yes, I do not escalate. But what is stopping us, the Russians, from gathering, taking and weighing the redhead, for example, with Medvedev and Dvorkovich? Why are we better? Kvachkov tried it - everyone knows the result ... Not the people of Kharkov are fleeing to the American, and not even the residents of Kiev, you know that very well, but the representatives of the comprador’s elite, which are absolutely the same with us. And if you look at what was recently on Bolotnaya - we also have enough who ran away with pleasure to the American ... I do not blame anyone, I only express my opinion, and I urge just before criticizing anyone - maybe is it worth looking at yourself? Okay, round off, sorry if you never know who offended anyone - did not want to. It’s just that Russians, apart from Belarusians and Ukrainians, have no more kindred peoples ...
            1. ildar335
              ildar335 13 October 2013 01: 30 New
              +1
              about Kvachkov and Khabarov:
              yes, patriot. yes, suffered. please remember the civil war and the white officers! they were not patriots, they wanted to plunder Russia ??? NOBODY of our people knows even 10 parts of what really happened!
              And also look at a living example: Egypt. The military came to power, and that ... according to various sources, the number of victims among the peaceful population reaches, according to various sources, from 400 to 700 people !!!!! and OUR people are even more "fun" spinning riots! what a badge-fly would be now? I will answer: RIVERS OF BLOOD !!!!!!!!! and our fucking "western friends" would piss with boiling water for joy that we ourselves cut each other !!!!!
              so do not write garbage !!!
        2. Alan
          Alan 11 October 2013 08: 36 New
          +1
          I also wanted to say but you were ahead. Other "commentators" do not think that this is what the "gayropeans" expect from us, but they are happy to try.
  15. Pehmore
    Pehmore 10 October 2013 10: 23 New
    +9
    It’s better not to show us the money, otherwise it will be like a Kio magician.
    1. old man54
      old man54 10 October 2013 21: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Pehmore
      It’s better not to show us the money, otherwise it will be like a Kio magician.

      good laughing laughing
  16. Kars
    Kars 10 October 2013 10: 40 New
    18
    A more interesting question is why the Iraqi side did not officially terminate the contract. And Harvov was mistaken when he signed an agreement with such delivery conditions than the Iraqis use.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 10 October 2013 11: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: Kars
      A more interesting question is why the Iraqi side did not officially terminate the contract. And Harvov was mistaken when he signed an agreement with such delivery conditions than the Iraqis use.

      The story of the BTR-4 will still stretch at least next year. Just waiting for what will end ...
      But the calls are clearly not in favor of Ukraine so far ...
    2. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 10 October 2013 11: 32 New
      16
      Motor ship SE PACIFIC, flag of Singapore. Odessa shipping company White Whale Shipping (Ukraine). Ukrainian crew. The sender and the carrier will find a way out of this situation. In addition, there are already offers for this equipment from other countries.
      Personally from myself. I saw these cars on the 7th pier in Odessa. Inspire respect. Malyshev factory has a name. Given that this machine has 16 modifications, from staff to sanitary. then there is a future.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 10 October 2013 13: 39 New
        +7
        Quote: Captain Vrungel

        Personally from myself. I saw these cars on the 7th pier in Odessa. Inspire respect. Malyshev factory has a name.

        Perhaps they inspire, but, most likely, once there was "such a booze" with Iraq, "beautiful on the face, scary inside." wink And the famous factory at one time was.
        For more than twenty years of "independence" this plant had stable orders and financing? And his subcontractors? And where are these subcontractors?
        And then we are amazed: the guns are bad, there are a lot of marriage!
        Without investing anything, destroying the natural cooperation with the Russian military-industrial complex, it is impossible to produce high-quality weapons and military equipment, no matter how good the reputation was in the past
        1. Akim
          Akim 10 October 2013 20: 11 New
          -5
          Quote: Alekseev
          And the plant was famous at the time.

          Question. Who was he known in the world?
      2. Rustam
        Rustam 10 October 2013 14: 18 New
        +5
        I went these cars on the 7th berth in Odessa. Inspire respect. Malyshev factory has a name


        he then has a name-No is unable to produce high quality products on time and in the right quantities
        1. stranik72
          stranik72 10 October 2013 21: 46 New
          0
          Name a Russian enterprise of such a level that it would be "on time, in the right quantity and of high quality." Just look not to overstrain yourself, otherwise you will vomit right on the keyboard.
        2. VARCHUN
          VARCHUN 21 October 2013 13: 36 New
          -1
          And in Russia they can? From 3-4 factories producing T-90 tanks, there are 2 left in my opinion, but what is it like and how did the people in these factories also have a name. SALE OF POLITICANS AND OFFICIALS - that’s what the diagnosis is in Ukraine, and in Russia many times more.
      3. Alekseev
        Alekseev 10 October 2013 18: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Odessa shipping company White Whale Shipping (Ukraine).

        I have nothing against Ukraine and Odessa especially, because I spent a very significant period of my life there.
        But White Whale Shipping is an international freight company. Headquarters, I will not argue, but most likely in Cyprus.
        Although a trifle, Comrade Vrungel, but characteristic. wink
        Here is what Odessa specialists write: the 90s. last century for Ukraine was marked by the loss of the status of a sea power. During this decade, the largest Black Sea shipping company in the USSR has practically disappeared. The statistics are as follows: in 1990, the shipping company listed 279 vessels (including 24 passenger), in 2000 - only 3 vessels on the balance sheet and 11 vessels under arrest at foreign ports, in 2011, 1 vessel remained - a tanker bunker "Dniester".
        I cited this to make it clearer in the matter with the name of the Malyshev plant. Songs from one opera. Unfortunately. request
        1. Kars
          Kars 10 October 2013 20: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: Alekseev
          in the USSR Black Sea Shipping Company.

          yah?
          Baltic Shipping Company
          On June 30 of June 1996, Decree of the President of the Russian Federation No. 1004 “On State Support of the Russian Merchant Marine Fleet in the Baltic” was issued, requiring the government to take urgent measures to stabilize the BMP, protect the marine fleet in the Baltic Sea and hold those responsible for violations of Russian legislation on privatization [4].
          Despite this, by the end of the 1990's, the IFV existed only formally and no longer had a single ship
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev 10 October 2013 21: 29 New
            +3
            Well, another figure on the principle of Fyodor's father "do ... k". lol
            Or do you think that I am not aware of similar problems in Russia?
            True, in a much richer and more "disciplined" state, they are less noticeable, but "people te zhe"
            But is being discussed the supply of Ukrainian armored personnel carriers to Iraq and why problems arose during the implementation of this contract.
            1. Kars
              Kars 10 October 2013 21: 49 New
              +3
              Quote: Alekseev
              But now the delivery of Ukrainian armored personnel carriers to Iraq is being discussed

              Oh well? And why then is the Black Sea shipping industry? Yes, even with such aplomb)))
              Quote: Alekseev
              0's of the last century for Ukraine were marked by the loss of the status of a sea power

              Quote: Alekseev
              then why problems arose in fulfilling this contract.

              So far, the only real problem is THERE WAS a gun that was not produced in the territory of Ukraine during the USSR. And this problem has been solved. But the photo of the rusty, old BTR-4 cases on the network for some reason does not exist, as well as the official breaking of the contract by Iraq.
              1. Alekseev
                Alekseev 11 October 2013 19: 29 New
                +1
                Quote: Kars
                But now the delivery of Ukrainian armored personnel carriers to Iraq is being discussed

                Yah? And why then the Black Sea shipping? Yes, even with such aplomb)))

                What kind of aplomb is this? I have never seen. laughing
                For those who are dull, I’ll explain: both the collapse of the NWP and the problems with the quality of arms and military equipment have one main reason.
                Only a lazy mind doesn’t know her, i.e. dumb.
                And stubbornly prove, thrusting his head, like an ostrich, in the sand, the inviolability of the principle: Ukrainian, which means good, is to bring harm to his country instead of benefit.
                To pour water on the mill of those who are now in power in Ukraine stealing "good" cannot establish natural allied relations with Russia, they say, Putin is to blame for everything, and everything thinks like the hetmans of the times of ruins: where to go: under the Tursky Saltan or under the Polish king (that is, the EU, or the granary of China to become recourse
                1. Kars
                  Kars 11 October 2013 20: 57 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alekseev
                  What kind of aplomb is this? I have never seen.

                  Take a look in the mirror and recite loudly with expression and gesticulation
                  Quote: Alekseev
                  90's last century for Ukraine was marked by the loss of the status of a sea power. During this decade, the largest Black Sea shipping company in the USSR has practically disappeared. The statistics are as follows: in 1990, on the balance sheet of the shipping company there were 279 vessels (including 24 passenger), in 2000 there were only 3 vessels on the balance and 11 vessels under arrest in foreign ports, in 2011 there were 1 vessels - tankers bunker "Dniester".
                  I cited this to make it clearer in the matter with the name of the Malyshev plant. Songs from one opera. Unfortunately


                  Quote: Alekseev
                  For those who are dull, I’ll explain: both the collapse of the NWP and the problems with the quality of arms and military equipment have one main reason.
                  Only a lazy mind doesn’t know her, i.e. dumb.

                  Well, why are you so bad about yourself.
                  Quote: Alekseev
                  And stubbornly prove, thrusting his head, like an ostrich, in the sand, the inviolability of the principle: Ukrainian, which means good,

                  Do I often prove this? And can you refute me from the episodes where I say this?
                  Quote: Alekseev
                  Ukrainian, which means good, is to bring harm only to their country instead of benefit.

                  Replace Ukraine, the Russian Federation will be similar.
                  Quote: Alekseev
                  To pour water on the mill of those who are now in power in Ukraine stealing "good" cannot establish natural allied relations with Russia

                  And what is the relationship with Russia is the litmus of a good leader?
                  Quote: Alekseev
                  Putin is to blame
                  and who besides him? the yanyk came to power - immediately canceled integration with NATO. extended the lease of Sevastopol, arranged the opportunity for obtaining the Russian language’s status as a status holder — but is it not enough for you?

                  Quote: Alekseev
                  it would be good to go: under the Turkish Saltan or under the Polish King (that is, the EU, or become the breadbasket of China

                  It is necessary to build a multi-vector policy and not focus on one person, especially with such great-empire manners as some.
                2. VARCHUN
                  VARCHUN 21 October 2013 13: 42 New
                  -1
                  Siberia will soon be presented to China by China itself, you don’t need so much desa? What has Russia done for Ukraine in terms of alliance? Just easier.
      4. VARCHUN
        VARCHUN 21 October 2013 13: 32 New
        0
        I completely agree with you, People worked on the machine, who cared to work, especially for export. And some ****** who sometimes even did not serve in the army put their sting in. And I am not surprised if the Russian intelligence service is involved in this.
  17. scientist
    scientist 10 October 2013 11: 40 New
    +8
    We have legends about how Ukraine concludes contracts. In Kazakhstan, half a year ago, General Assenov and two representatives of Ukrspetsexport were imprisoned for a bribe of $ 200 for kickbacks under a contract for the same BTR-4. It is a pity for the general, he was a literate man, and he was clearly not taking a bribe for himself.
    And for Ukraine, giving bribes when signing contracts is a common practice. Somehow we bought information systems for universities in Ukraine and my boss refused to take a bribe, which they out of habit laid in the cost of the contract. Ukrainians were in shock. Then we asked them to buy additional equipment with this money, and then we had to explain for a long time to the testers where the unaccounted servers and computers came from.
    1. VARCHUN
      VARCHUN 21 October 2013 13: 47 New
      0
      Tell me, which country doesn’t do this? Well, what is Russia not, no one’s not when? Well, it’s exactly if you were chasing here, and so you are rushing your imperial nonsense. We were brothers, I always considered Russia an ally, but why so in Donetsk With a Russian passport the man remained, but you and ours do not have a.
  18. major071
    major071 10 October 2013 11: 45 New
    10
    Stop joking over Ukraine. The government was organized around, along with the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, they wanted to eat a fish and so on ... They flew to the fullest, but where to get the money? From the people. And the people are sitting and waiting for the EU to push the candy for them. But there will be no candy, there will be new requisitions, but already in the pocket of the EU. Americans pushed the contract to Iraq. The question is, why? Or they knew that the military-industrial complex of Ukraine would not be able to fulfill this contract, and in the future they could be crushed for themselves by helping with money (subsidizing at interest, gentlemen, high interest). Or Americans believed that Ukraine would be able to fulfill the contract (fiction from their point of view). So think gentlemen, comrades, what will happen next? IMHO soldier
  19. Echo
    Echo 10 October 2013 11: 48 New
    10
    Eh, Ukraine is unreasonable, where are you going? Who do you strive to be friends with? When will you come to your senses?
    1. mikkado31
      mikkado31 11 October 2013 01: 02 New
      +2
      Well, they do not want to be friends with you ... Force?
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 11 October 2013 01: 53 New
        0
        Quote: mikkado31
        Well, they do not want to be friends with you ... Force?

        This is the principle of the United States, to make friends ....
        1. mikkado31
          mikkado31 12 October 2013 03: 13 New
          +1
          We do not force. They themselves are asking to be friends (Georgia, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Moldova, the Baltic States) Even your best sidekick, Lukashenko, doesn’t rush to lie under you. Note that none (NOBODY!) Of Russia's allies in the CIS, the Collective Security Treaty Organization, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the Eurasian Economic Community, the Customs Union and other empty organizations have recognized the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
  20. Vorkot cat
    Vorkot cat 10 October 2013 12: 35 New
    +2
    It’s better to put it right away with metal, why export the spoiled iron?
  21. Algor73
    Algor73 10 October 2013 13: 00 New
    +3
    Be that as it may, but APCs are floating. It is doubtful that the reason is the quality - before the first installment there were no complaints. So - politics, and dark.
    1. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 10 October 2013 21: 17 New
      +1
      So - politics, and dark.

      wassat what ... is someone to blame again?
  22. In the book
    In the book 10 October 2013 13: 08 New
    10
    Quote: uhu189
    You know, sometimes it’s sickening to read such comments ... As the last ur..dy got better - Ukraine is in trouble - it means cool, a trifle, but it's nice ... What did the Ukrainians do to you? Or is everything so perfect in our country that you can water others with mud? I understand that there is an acute hostility to the leadership of Ukraine, I also have it, but what about our leadership, which is better? Or now will we judge people by looking at the country's authorities? So then I’m afraid no one will say anything good for us ... Maybe you should think a little before chopping off your shoulder?

    Thank you, dear.
    You will see a few such comments on the site.
  23. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 10 October 2013 13: 10 New
    +2
    Now Ukraine will turn to the fraternal people, allow a tugboat to drive to Sevastopol, and buy this trash from them.
    1. Yuriwhite
      Yuriwhite 10 October 2013 14: 44 New
      +1
      Why do we need repainted BTR-80?
  24. scientist
    scientist 10 October 2013 13: 12 New
    +2
    It is interesting, but are these APCs not an incentive to put pressure on Ukraine in the matter of integration with the EU? It looks like blackmail.
  25. 311ove
    311ove 10 October 2013 13: 17 New
    +2
    So here it is ...- American lobbyism hi
  26. aud13
    aud13 10 October 2013 13: 23 New
    +3
    Quote: Algor73
    Be that as it may, but APCs are floating. It is doubtful that the reason is the quality - before the first installment there were no complaints. So - politics, and dark.

    Well, maybe that's just the point, that upon acceptance, not everything can be checked. And so we got the first batch, tested and realized that something was wrong.
    Although it is possible, in fact, politics.
    But in this context, by the way, there is an interesting idea about the integration of Ukraine with the EEC. It will not work either: first, the milk rivers and the kissel banks will promise, and then after the Rubicon crosses - is the cookie in mustard?
  27. garik404
    garik404 10 October 2013 13: 45 New
    +5
    You need to hire Somali pirates to capture the ship, and then unload all this stuff in Tartus. There he will quickly find use. soldier
    1. datur
      datur 10 October 2013 21: 03 New
      0
      [quote = garik404] You need to hire Somali pirates to capture the ship, and then unload all this stuff in Tartus. There they will quickly find use .-- and what an interesting thought !!!! wink laughing
  28. msv
    msv 10 October 2013 13: 45 New
    11
    Repeatedly, drew attention to the tone of comments on Ukraine. I would like to ask the militants and gloating who you are and what you represent. Such a tone of commentary is clearly not in the interests of the Russian people, who overwhelmingly want rapprochement with Ukraine.
    Meanwhile, people working at the Malyshev plant are also focused on Russia culturally.
    Now to the point.
    There are several facts that speak of an artificially inflated situation, so I would not rush to conclusions.
    1. Indeed, there are no official complaints about the quality of technology.
    2. Does the contract provide for the possibility of rejection of acceptance without registration of the relevant documents? What should be the procedure for the contract? Why refused to accept the technique? Although they were supposed to draw up documents during the acceptance with specific comments on the technique. All this is prescribed in the contract.
    3. For six months, no one answers the carrier to calls? ha ha ha Of course, they blindly signed a contract for transportation, do not know the address of the enterprise, and in the end is there really no formal notification procedure provided for in the contract.
    In general, even at first superficial glance there is some kind of crap. Most likely, the technique has nothing to do with it, but who threw someone or throws something with something.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 10 October 2013 14: 51 New
      +6
      Just the militant and gloating here are a minority. Russia, too, was in a similar situation when Algeria MiG-29 refused to accept.
      1. Yuriwhite
        Yuriwhite 10 October 2013 14: 55 New
        -4
        The situation with MiGs had a political plane. Everything was in order with the equipment. In contrast to the supply of scrap metal.
        1. stranik72
          stranik72 10 October 2013 21: 54 New
          +2
          A clown, at least an Internet rummaged there, just questions about the technology and there were even some of the plant managers planted, for left-handed components. And Rostvertol crap in the mid-90s with the delivery of the Mi-24's to the Czech Republic. And an aircraft carrier. So, Ukraine is an innocent girl compared to Russian suppliers. Do not disgrace Russia with your stupid comments.
        2. VARCHUN
          VARCHUN 21 October 2013 13: 50 New
          0
          Well, tell me, who are you by profession and who served?
    2. Yuriwhite
      Yuriwhite 10 October 2013 14: 53 New
      +2
      All official facts are on the Internet - look.

      Are you fresh out of a lethargic dream? For more than 20 years of its "development", education "Ukraine" (aka 2-storage) has created, with the complete connivance of its Russian-speaking part of the population, such an anti-Russian vector that only a complete madman can talk to it at present about the interests of the Russian people.
      1. VARCHUN
        VARCHUN 21 October 2013 13: 58 New
        0
        I have been living in Ukraine for 37 years in the Donetsk region and that’s what has always infuriated me. As some kind of ill-educated ******* from the Russian Federation is building up a connoisseur of Ukraine. We Kuchma kept the pro-Russian side that this was not visible, Yushchenko is generally a salesman who licked the states, Yanukovych seems to be his own, but who paid the money and bankers. And now the question is why if you have Bandera from the Ukraine and the like, they don’t call you Vlasovs, skins and other traitors. in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine and only you. And your ZHIRINOVSKY With the Gebesh Party, well, a clown,
  29. xAskoldx
    xAskoldx 10 October 2013 15: 32 New
    +8
    In principle, everything is clear with the comments, only "iksperty" (practically standing with a candle ...)
    1. Change of leadership in Iraq (another clan came)
    2. Change of a number of owners at allied enterprises in Ukraine (we also have another family who came to the feeding trough).
    3. to be objective, at least 3 batches of armored personnel carriers (Soviet stocks of BTR-80, BTR-3, BTR-4E) were sent to Iraq, as for Iraq the option from Russia with BTR-82A would be even more preferable than BTR-4E " Rook "BTR-82A continuation of BTR-80 with which Iraq is quite pleased (simple, cheap, cheerful)
    4. For technical reasons, only one is available to me (jamming when firing at the maximum angle of elevation of the gun 2A72 (ZTM-1) has already been eliminated) An unnecessarily complex weapon system (initially Iraq requested it to be made much easier)
    the struggle for living enterprises between the authorities is unfortunately the usual reality in Ukraine (Artem, ZIM, Lighthouse, etc., etc. ....)
    1. rolik
      rolik 10 October 2013 16: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: xAskoldx
      In principle, everything is clear with comments

      In principle, judging by the points of the comment, everything is also clear. All the bastards are vile. They didn’t take excellent equipment, especially the Iraqis who are accustomed to fighting on the shaitan arbah, therefore they don’t take high-tech products. In general, again, everyone is to blame, especially M.O.S.K.A.L. and for bad comments))))
      1. xAskoldx
        xAskoldx 10 October 2013 16: 37 New
        +5
        Strange reading technique (probably something with thoughts in my head - ********* _)
        even a word about ".... great ...) somewhere I posted or are you a conspiracy theorist?
        Iraqis are happy with the BTR-80, what's wrong with that? If they have this device in demand, they are also familiar with the yard. (Have you ever talked to a representative of another country live? Or are you just waving a saber around the forums?)
        I’ll immediately answer that I had to deal with the acceptance and transfer of equipment with the Syrians Iraqis and Chinese, the Hungarians and representatives of the former republics of the USSR, the mentality is different, but I have never been able to communicate with idiots ...
  30. netishunUA
    netishunUA 10 October 2013 16: 17 New
    +3
    They do not want to take problems. Assad does not refuse to make a present.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 10 October 2013 16: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: netishunUA
      They do not want to take problems. Assad does not refuse to make a present.

      The decision is reasonable, but WILL NOT RENT, the amerskie "partners" of Ukraine will swear ...

      But there is a way out:
      Reload the armored personnel carrier onto our large landing craft and thanks to the "rolled" Middle East Express, WE will carry out the delivery.
      Moreover, Russia "laid down with the device" on the United States in the Syrian issue ...
  31. gyl
    gyl 10 October 2013 16: 20 New
    +5
    I will share information from open sources - the Iraqi contract was paid with American money to help Iraq - America pays, Iraqi generals accept the equipment. Like most such contracts, this is arranged by an additional agreement - the intermediary receives almost 20% of the contract amount, respectively, the cost of the equipment is inflated by the amount of the rollback. The whole contract for three mlr. dollars, except for the armored personnel carrier, there are ANs, a gunner, instruments, well, a lot, plus services for setting up, repairing with spare parts, in general, a lot of nishtyaks and amenities. The rollback goes to the Iraqi generals, for the loyalty of both them and the Arab clans to the new government of Iraq. The Americans practice this - this is our contingent in Iraq (generals), regularly received millions of dollars to pay to local leaders - so that the roads would not be mined and out of the 60 mm “snowman”, they would not shoot at the camp. Well, the Savetskys have their own pride - the loot was closed, the Iraqis blew up 18 people. (two-thirds of those who died were stupidly dead, they started to mine for mine clearance, crowded around a land mine after deactivating it, and another fuse turned out to be there - a typical mine-trap turned out to be. So everything surfaced when the generals were seized from Ukrainian customs - and by numbers banknotes, this is money for the Iraqis. The same canoe and with the contract - everything went more or less, while the equipment was decent and the rollback was returning. But the power changed, the orange people were removed, and Yanukovych put his own guys from Russia on UKRSPETSEXPORT and the Ministry of Defense ( Salomatin was only five years old as a citizen of Ukraine, but the yanyk brought him, I think, at the request of Vova. Result - the new leaders decided to hold back, it was publicly discussed, like, we will fight corruption, but in our own favor. we see that they find the liquefied money for a kickback commission - Iraqis take the equipment, no dough - let it float. And once again I draw the attention of the patriotic audience - p The US budget is contracted, in exchange for our participation and in memory of the victims. Pays more than three billion bucks in real money. We know and appreciate it.
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  32. nikcris
    nikcris 10 October 2013 16: 40 New
    +1
    No, but what. They still have to pay you for every Russian plane shot down in Georgia. And for each pilot separately. No, but what’s business?
  33. abc_alex
    abc_alex 10 October 2013 16: 50 New
    0
    And, in my opinion, it would be right to accept the ship in Vladik. Ultimately, if Ukraine needs armored personnel carriers, we will overtake the train. Not for free, of course. No need - for scrap :) No, well, people have problems. Need to help :)
    1. VARCHUN
      VARCHUN 21 October 2013 14: 01 New
      0
      You don’t just strengthen the southern borders with them, while you still have them. You just don’t see that China put its paw on the taiga and Lake Baikal.
  34. old rocket man
    old rocket man 10 October 2013 17: 20 New
    +4
    As in all sensations - dig deeper, the same damned loot will pop up
  35. gyl
    gyl 10 October 2013 18: 05 New
    -6
    Quote: nikcris
    No, but what. They still have to pay you for every Russian plane shot down in Georgia. And for each pilot separately. No, but what’s business?

    But Georgia didn’t pay for weapons, about calculations - there is infa that, they say, SA retirees were hired, but they don’t have a nationality - Savets people, Duc, wild geese. Yes, and part of the downed L.A. can be attributed to a friendly fire - the survivors of wild partisans were entrusted with modern technology, and they were wet in all sectors. And, in the end, they didn’t kill yours near Ryazan, wanting to rummage around in foreign countries as part of limited contingents, and rake from time to time.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 10 October 2013 18: 51 New
      +3
      Our people were not killed near Ryazan. Our people were killed near Tskhinvali. I won’t say anything about your trick - and they’ll be banned, and I don’t want to rub myself against shit ...
  36. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 10 October 2013 19: 01 New
    +4
    Top photo - "On the deck of a Ukrainian armored personnel carrier" ... lol
    1. VARCHUN
      VARCHUN 21 October 2013 14: 02 New
      0
      Put on your computer desktop and have fun.
  37. APASUS
    APASUS 10 October 2013 19: 47 New
    +1
    Now sending to Samoli will be cheaper. At first, everyone on the boats was slowed down for a ransom, now they will drive around the desert, cut the headstock for oil .......... you can just ...... go overboard!
  38. Arkan
    Arkan 10 October 2013 19: 54 New
    +3
    "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always." V.S. Chernomyrdin.
  39. gyl
    gyl 10 October 2013 21: 33 New
    0
    Quote: nikcris
    Our people were not killed near Ryazan. Our people were killed near Tskhinvali. I won’t say anything about your trick - and they’ll be banned, and I don’t want to rub myself against shit ...

    It’s not sts, express yourself, that’s banyat me alone, it’s like it’s not a military resource, but ............... Remember, they kill in the war, and this should be treated calmly, but Do not die ahead of time in a patriotic anguish. Relax, relax ...
  40. I am a Russian
    I am a Russian 10 October 2013 21: 34 New
    +1
    "The reputation of Ukraine as a supplier of world-class military equipment has suffered significant damage during the implementation of the Iraqi contract."

    ... so yes a little arrogance shot down

    "It is known that manufacturers confessed the fact that they sent the customer not tested equipment. "

    admitted? Oh well ... Ukrainian admitted?
  41. aszzz888
    aszzz888 10 October 2013 22: 49 New
    0
    Well, as one of the options.
    Unload them on the island of Coca, and let the comrades who are sitting on the palm trees peel off and dance around them with dances, let them train from the bows as a target, or you can leave the spears in them. By the way, at the same time, they will check the armor for penetration.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 11 October 2013 00: 04 New
      -1
      Is this kaG? Or do you think that any members do not tolerantly consider polynomials, which they are only occasionally, and in most of the time they sew vials on the ass
  42. Migari
    Migari 10 October 2013 23: 22 New
    -3
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: King
    T-34 much more successful car than Ukrainian armored personnel carriers.

    The irony of fate, because they were created at the same factory ....

    The plant is one, the countries are different and the responsibility is not the same when the T-34 was created for such hack-work, you know yourself, and you know what kind of mess it is now in an independent one.
    1. VARCHUN
      VARCHUN 21 October 2013 14: 05 New
      0
      Where do you live in which country? You do not have a mess in the country, everything is quiet and smooth? Or did you compare Russia with Singapore A. Do not write this, do not disgrace.
  43. msv
    msv 10 October 2013 23: 52 New
    0
    Quote: gyl
    ... and Yanukovych put his own guys from Russia at UKRSPETSEXPORT and the Ministry of Defense (Salomatin was only five years old as a citizen of Ukraine, but he was brought by a yanyk, I think, at the request of Vova . The result ...

    Passage is cool. Just Hollywood ...
    Nevertheless, you have confirmed that the actual equipment and the plant have nothing to do with it. And the topic of comments was twisted about the quality of technology.
  44. Bibliographer
    Bibliographer 11 October 2013 00: 13 New
    -2
    These are just flowers for now! And how to sign an agreement with the EU - then the berries will ripen!
  45. Ols76
    Ols76 11 October 2013 04: 58 New
    0
    In Africa you have to alloy your metal before it's too late!
  46. ran nearby
    ran nearby 11 October 2013 10: 08 New
    +3
    Yeah. I read the article, read the comments. Conclusion - almost no one knows anything, but everyone and everyone is discussing with vividness. From the quality of technology that has not been seen to the foreign policy of the country in which they do not live. Your deeds are wonderful, Lord.
    As for me, so personally, in this story, I tend to the version of a rollback that has not been received by someone, a redistribution of the sphere of influence and other movements for loot. Armored personnel carriers are simply hostages of the situation. Kind of like with tanks on "Faina". Just an element of someone's big game ...
  47. samoletil18
    samoletil18 11 October 2013 21: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Bagel
    And here is the Party of Regions !!! You Russians will always be able to find the extreme! Gas, fraternally - the most expensive! We poison you with the poorer, our cheeses, sweets, milk! Fraternal Ukraine is to blame for all the troubles! Jah. And you are saints. And the fact that 4 years in a row I bow to you in white stone as a job asking you not to make the price of gas, notice low, but fair, that’s nothing, the norm! Yes, in Ukraine, even those who were an ardent supporter of rapprochement with Russia, spit! As they say: beat your own, so that strangers are afraid? No, enough! Personally, I really love the Russian people and Russia, but you Russians are alienating us from you!


    Well, of course. We all sit in the Kremlin, the government, the State Duma, the Federation Council and the leadership of Gazprom.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 14 October 2013 21: 17 New
      0
      Quote: samoletil18
      Yes, in Ukraine, even those who were an ardent supporter of rapprochement with Russia, spit! As they say: beat your own, so that strangers are afraid? No, enough! Personally, I really love the Russian people and Russia, but you Russians are alienating us from you!

      Just like my mother-in-law! lol
      But she’s an illiterate old man, besides Inter’s propaganda news, she doesn’t see anything, but here seems to be an advanced Rogalik.
      And so, you non-Russians do not move away, do not first try to quietly piss into the pocket of your greatest neighbor (NATO, Georgia, gas transit, Russian language, raids on the Black Sea Fleet, raiding, position on Syria - just to wave the United States, Bandera sabbaths on Victory Day, etc.) enter into alliances and strengthen them. So that you are "reliable". Here you will have gas, and then you will have sweets with cheeses. smile It’s an amazing metamorphosis: they complained, they say they’ll rake everything to Moscow, but now they don’t want to eat it — they want to take more life to Moscow! request The more you stay in the "Square", the cheaper it will be, eat more! wink
      Gas is sold to Ukraine is not the most expensive, in the same Poland (and a number of countries) more expensive. Europeans have a European standard market contract. Do not like it, do not take it until sanctions for the shortage are not applied, and even give loans. And in order to become cheaper you need to keep friendly politics to be an ally, together "to bear the burdens" of this life. see above.
      And in all their troubles, non-Russians, although Slavs (and those who joined them) are to blame for themselves with their beloved and not so leaders, but not Putin, Patriarch Kirill, greedy and evil Russians, etc.
      1. VARCHUN
        VARCHUN 21 October 2013 14: 13 New
        0
        Why are you weaving some kind of nonsense here. For gas "thank you" Putin and this rat who also threw mine defenses and threw us. from Donbass he is not a Bandera. Write on your forehead.
  48. gyl
    gyl 12 October 2013 01: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: msv
    Quote: gyl
    ... and Yanukovych put his own guys from Russia at UKRSPETSEXPORT and the Ministry of Defense (Salomatin was only five years old as a citizen of Ukraine, but he was brought by a yanyk, I think, at the request of Vova . The result ...

    Passage is cool. Just Hollywood ...
    Nevertheless, you have confirmed that the actual equipment and the plant have nothing to do with it. And the topic of comments was twisted about the quality of technology.

    On October 10, the SBU, accompanied by the Alpha group, broke into the building of the State Concern Ukroboronprom and seized documents in the office of the special exporter company Ukrspetsexport. This was reported to ZN.UA by a source in Ukrspetsexport.

    At the same time, the seizure of documents took place in one more enterprise of the concern - State Enterprise "Ukroboronservice".

    A source in Ukrspetsexport said that these events are associated with the active activities of the former leaders of these companies, as well as the Ministry of Defense Dmitry Salamatin and Dmitry Plyatsuk, in the sale of military weapons to merchants.

    According to ZN.UA, the seizure of documents in a criminal case was initiated by the SBU investigation department.


    That's how Churchill, unloved by many, used to say, about the deadly bite of bulldogs under the carpet - the result becomes known only when they pull out the bitten ...
  49. San Vasilich
    San Vasilich 12 October 2013 09: 14 New
    +3
    It is known that manufacturers admitted that they sent non-rolled equipment to the customer.


    Duce is chicavo, and what was it then?

    Representatives of the Ministry of Defense of Iraq receive the next batch of armored personnel carriers BTR-4

    08.02.2013/7/4 - Kharkov, Ukraine - On February 40, in Kiev, representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Iraq and the Ukrspetsexport Group of Companies signed an acceptance certificate for the next batch of Ukrainian-made BTR-XNUMX armored personnel carriers in the amount of XNUMX units.

    “The tests were successful. No major problems have been identified. We are pleased with the process of cooperation with the Ukrainian side. In Iraq, the previously transferred BTR-4s of Ukrainian production are operated in harsh field conditions. This is a new, advanced machine for the Iraqi army, ”the official representative of the Iraqi delegation emphasized.

    The Ukrainian side is pleased with the results of the inspection. “Despite the much more stringent acceptance requirements of the Iraqi side (each car was tested according to a special program), all the cars were accepted without significant comments. We will fulfill the contract in accordance with the agreements reached. Now the main task is to create an effective after-sales service to service the equipment transferred to the Iraqi side, ”said the representative of Ukroboronprom Group of Companies.
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