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Towards a nascent wave of nano-riots in Russia: what to do with them

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Towards a nascent wave of nano-riots in Russia: what to do with themMini protest as a new form of expression of discontent


In Novokhopyorsk, Voronezh Region, a local eco-revolt of opponents of the construction of a nickel mining plant soon after half a year paralyzed the work of industrialists and created a huge headache for local authorities.

In Baikalsk, a long-term eco-riot led to the elimination of large-scale production.

The eco-riot in Ulyanovsk, which had just appeared against the park development, irritated the authorities and paralyzed the work of the developers, provoking legal proceedings.

These are only the loudest examples of this year. Smaller examples across the country is much more easy or they have not yet reached the high level of discussion, or have caused their problems have been resolved.

There are several signs that unite these protests and allow us to talk about the emerging trend.

Topicality

The urgency of the problems underlying the eco-riots, a casual observer in doubt. Not because there is no need to protect the trees and rivers, but because these problems coexist with much more acute, but for some reason not provoking riots questions.

For example, yesterday rallies and pickets were held across the country, timed to coincide with World Trade Union Action Day. I am sure that the majority of readers have heard nothing about them and the point here is not in the “media conspiracy”. Simply, these events are so faded, toothless and formal that they can not ignite any sparks lively interest. Meanwhile, their slogans are more than serious - from demands to raise wages, to stop the growth of utility tariffs to change the course of government economic policy.

Only on the faces of the poster bearers one can see that none of them are right now ready to rush under the bulldozer for the sake of the resignation of the cabinet of ministers - dull, mostly indifferent faces of the current members of trade unions.

But in the light of the emerging socio-economic situation in the country and the recent revelations of Dmitry Medvedev, the problems of an ordinary worker become not relevant, but super-actual. Protection of wildlife parts, no matter how important or seemed today to compete with them in actuality is simply incapable. However, it collects much more enthusiasts and sympathizers. We note this fact and move on to the next unifying feature.

Clarity of requirements and political integrity

The conciseness and clarity of the requirements of each eco-rebellion compares favorably with the former slogans of the Swamp. "Hands off the tree" clearer and closer to the common man, than, for example, "# banduputenapodsud". Apolitical requirements allows gain even greater public support and even to unite under one banner supporters of various political currents. The above examples vividly confirm the ability of left, right, nationalists, ecologists, Cossacks, minorities, etc., to live very well in the framework of solving a common task.

This, in turn, causes approval from neutral observers, who, seeing such unanimity, go into the category of virtual supporters of local riots (by the way, this is another sign - a positive perception of eco-protest of geographically distant observers) .

Lack of sponsors

The excessive zeal of the American ambassador to Russia and a number of US-sponsored NGOs in support of the “swamp” protest ultimately discredited him in the eyes of a significant number of citizens of our country. Local riots compare favorably with the lack of clear sponsors, which strengthens the confidence of ordinary citizens and gives the character the truth of “nationality”.

Efficiency

The ratio of "the effort / result" eco-rebellions far more effective than all the "march of millions" combined. Under the influence of a handful of activists, without injections into media support, it is possible to push through local solutions - to prohibit building, to eliminate production, to stop the development of subsoil. Maximum results with minimum investment.

From easy to hard and back

Let us recall here that "marsh" rebellion had been born from the local environmental Khimki protest. However, he soon lost all contact with him, was overgrown with contradictions, swelled into something unviable and, loudly firing steam, was blown away. Now we are witnessing a rollback to the initial positions and, as it seems, an attempt to evolve along a more natural path.

Note that you should not look for the shadow of the mysterious director behind these systemic processes. Directors appear after, when they begin to clearly see their vested interest in spontaneous movements. In our case, we are witnessing a natural search for a new form of expression of protest moods of our fellow citizens. Why is it pouring into an eco-riot?

The struggle under the common slogans "against the government" and "for a better life" turned into nothing before our eyes and gave birth to great disappointment among its ordinary participants. It's frustrating when preserved protest dust pushes disgruntled at the performances of more mundane and specific issues. Those that have the prospect of a quick resolution. Why do people need it?

Without going into a lengthy argument, let's agree that the basis for the modern Russian protest is the thirst of the participants to be heard by the authorities. This is not a revolt of hard-working hard-working or deprived pensioners (although there are such people, but we are talking about a mass phenomenon), it’s for the time being just the desire to get the smallest bit of power and through it to assert ourselves a little. Quite natural, by the way, desire.

And according to this desire, the inglorious ending of "Bolotnaya" dealt a monstrous blow. A painful blow to the public who wants to assert itself through protest. Not only the one that stood in the metropolitan areas, but also in that which is sympathetic to her, clinging to the Internet or television. Moving away from the first shock, people began, perhaps unconsciously, but to suspect that they were deceived by the heralds of protest, the very same directors who appeared at the right time. And people are now looking for a new form.

This form should differ from the previous one radically. It must be apolitical, it must be understandable, righteous and transparent in terms of sponsors. So that it was impossible to be deceived again.

But, perhaps, the main thing is that this form must be promising, promise a quick resolution of the problem, that is, give the opportunity to at least a little, but to heal the wounded self-esteem, to recover from the blow.

Eco-protest meets all these requirements. He is laconic, understandable to everyone, gives a sense of belonging to the right cause, enjoys the support of society and gives a chance for a quick victory. Why am I so sure that we are witnessing the emergence of a trend, and not separate, unrelated incidents? Because this is the nature of phenomena - they are always looking for the most stable states. Rebellion in defense of nature in today's realities is the most stable form of protest, giving way to negative emotions of citizens. A little more - and it will become really fashionable.

What do the authorities do

If our hypothesis is confirmed and the trend will gain stability, then we are waiting for an endless series of eco-protests in various parts of the country. Therefore, the authorities will have to react to them somehow.

While the domestic Russian eco-revolt is green and weak, the “directors” have not yet connected to it. In that it could lead over time - well illustrated by the recent attacks on Russia by the PR corporation "Greenpeace". There is no doubt that our nascent environmental protest, if it develops, will try to take it and where it should be sent. There are plenty of options - from sabotage production under the “green” slogans to harassment of individual politicians and simple incitement of hatred between various groups of our compatriots. For example, I think that the residents of Baikalsk who have remained without work have long been mind to talk heart to heart with some "eco-activists" whose efforts have closed the plant.

In order to prevent the formation of the anti-state pseudo-ecological lobby in the country, the authorities need to move now.

A good solution would be the systematic elimination of objective reasons for the discontent - those against whom today there is no mass protest. These are the very problems of rising tariffs, unemployment, prices, etc. You look, then eco-riots will not grow into a mass movement.

However, this does not negate the timely response to local mini-riots. They need to respond. People want to feel at least a little power - yes, please! If the activists managed to find real violations of the law on the ground, let them protest and seek a fair solution. This is the prevention of corruption, and the opportunity for people to feel involved in the life of their locality - what they so actively and often unknowingly want. Give them this opportunity, and there will be less dissatisfied with the central government. Intervene and demand explanations from the local authorities if the case takes a serious turn, but do not fall for provocations that will inevitably exist and will be.

In general, the worst solution for the authorities - is ignoring the local eco-flash, and start to miss the beginning of a wave of protest mutate. I would even advise more - the authorities should create an environmental movement on their own, which will analyze each conflict episode in detail, initiate field checks and protect ordinary, but sometimes naive people from attempts at unfriendly manipulations. It is much easier than trying to inculcate a political protest. Indeed, in this case, both in power and in the most diverse citizens of the country are common interests.
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  1. Xroft
    Xroft 10 October 2013 15: 17
    15
    The key problem is that local authorities will not help fight corruption (loss of their own dividends). And every time it’s impossible to knock to Moscow, we need real bodies that can conduct anti-corruption courses in the regions without bias. Neither the Ministry of Internal Affairs nor the Prosecutor's Office belong to them.
    1. polly
      polly 10 October 2013 15: 56
      +9
      Your words to God’s ears! You correctly raised the problem of local authorities: in most cases it is a Gordian knot connected by family and local mercenary interests, and it is very difficult to deal with them.
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 10 October 2013 16: 25
        +5
        Surely we are not the only ones working in the district administration, this is the inherited feeding trough.
        1. alone
          alone 10 October 2013 19: 40
          +2
          it’s just that people know that, from all this, there’s no benefit to him, that’s eco-rebellion.
      2. sergaivenski
        sergaivenski 11 October 2013 05: 41
        +1
        Where not to look, all (!) Officials are brought to each other by friends, comrades, sobutyl-
        Nicknames, etc. Variants are possible !!! The question is: what did the country, RUSSIA, get during the years of the "reformers" rule? Prices from year to year only creep up. From year to year, housing and communal services tariffs, travel in transport, prices For fuel. The fields of the former collective and state farms are overgrown with grass and forest. The flooding in the Far East showed the complete incapacity of the local authorities to counteract the elements. For some reason, no one recalls the fact that under Soviet rule, dredging works were carried out on the rivers, they followed the river beds. The "reformers" let everything go on its own. There is no real sector of the economy in the country that would pull the entire economy of the country, would bring huge revenues to the treasury !!!
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    3. Quiet
      Quiet 10 October 2013 19: 57
      0
      The key problem is that local authorities will not help fight corruption

      hi Do not worry !! A tsunami-high wave has already gone from the outback !!!
    4. timer
      timer 10 October 2013 22: 38
      +1
      These organs, as the personages of the well-known film would say, are to be torn off and thrown away! And if specifically, the system that is rotting must be changed !! And not gradually, but accelerated. I compare the state of the current system of government in the country with the state of a cancer patient. Cancer gives more and more metastases, and if surgical intervention is not urgently applied, the patient will die (the nation will turn into narcotic-alcoholic slaves and Russia will fall apart). Who will change it, I, you, he, she (as in a song) are patriots of their country. Just do not go on about the clowns "opposition". They have one common task - to work off the loot invested in them (they don't give a damn for the interests of the people!).
  2. experienced
    experienced 10 October 2013 15: 17
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    The people are already tired of the general theft of the upper classes, an uncontrolled flow of dirty and sick Gaster and the indefatigable arrogance of officials, hence the rebellion, the Russian is terrible and merciless.
    The authorities found an excuse, just a few leaned out to classify the critics as bogies ... They care about the interests of Western companies, and the people are already tired of enduring, and "the Russians are slowly harnessing, but driving fast." How much can you mock and promise, and then put big and fat on your promises?
    Ecology is not in the first place in her speeches, it is just that Chirikova managed to promote herself and her “battle for the Khimki forest”. Greenpeace is not popular in Russian society, we do not have a Western mentality. The Russian people more often breaks through against the Caucasians, after they once again screw up somewhere and then these Caucasians, like cockroaches, hide in the cracks, while the people at their shops and stalls "play off steam."
    And all these handfuls of Jews who gather more journalists than themselves gathered in the hope of a grant to snatch this performance and nothing more. Riot is always spontaneous, unpredictable and terrible.
    By the way, what kind of Jew is in the photo?
    Found it turns out to be a browser
    Orenburg region, Orsk, 29 years old. Sphere of interests: politics, society, economics, business. Super is not a shocking pseudonym, but a surname.

    Judging by the scatter of interests, not a professional in any field is ready to review everything that money brings from tampaks to space travel
    1. a52333
      a52333 10 October 2013 16: 44
      +5
      AHA, RZHUNIMAGU !!!
      In Novokhopyorsk, Voronezh Region, a local eco-rebellion by opponents of the construction of a nickel mining plant has already paralyzed the work of industrialists
      This wise guy was there ??? There is only one forest area. The joint of the Voronezh and Saratov regions. There are no agricultural enterprises or enterprises.
      and created a huge headache for the local authorities.
      This is also powerful !!! There, officials are promoting. I was driving through Voronezh hanging a pre-election poster of some local. Well, there is a photo, of course, a smart face, and in the corner the sign Ni (nickel) is crossed out.
      Chirikova managed to promote herself and her “battle for the Khimki forest”.
      Here you know better. Taki in the hopper forest: there competed a competitor. Grandmas add. income item. And believe me, the forests there are like shoe polish, but there is no money.
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 10 October 2013 18: 35
        +6
        Add ..
        The Baikal Pulp and Paper Mill produced (ONLY ONE) the special type of pulp used in the fairings of Soviet missiles .....
        Draw your own conclusions ... Who are the "ecologists" and why do they dart across the Artik on icebreakers))) People are being raised, the industry is being brought to its knees)))

        And it looks horribly noble ...As Putin’s speech))))))))))))))))))
        1. abdrah
          abdrah 11 October 2013 06: 34
          +1
          But aren't you talking about the same bleached viscose cellulose, without which you cannot make fuel for solid-propellant rockets and make carbon fiber for the aviation and space industries? and without which the mace will not take off? The Omerekans did it easier - they built a plant on the shores of Lake Ontario, built a nuclear power plant for desalination and distillation of water and knocked bleached cellulose on a mountain, and waste into the swamps near one of the "great lakes" of Ontario is one of the dirtiest lakes in the United States, largely thanks to their pulp and paper mill. For some reason, one greenpeace doesn’t beep. It’s probably annoying to bite the hand of the giver.
          You will begin to think that the Omerians would begin to build nuclear power plants for distilling water if they had a lake like Baikal? ours also wanted to build the plant first on Lake Ladoga, the current composition of the water didn’t fit, and on Baikal, God himself ordered the water to be almost distilled, and pollution is a myth — when taking water samples several kilometers from the plant, an increased concentration of harmful substances was not detected, since the lake has a giant potential for self-purification, and the treatment facilities at this plant were BEST IN THE WORLD! Sworn friends can only grind their teeth and invent fables, looking so that no one remembers the log in the eye in the form of drains in the swamps of its own pulp and paper mill.
          P.S. This pulp makes two mills in the world-Russia and the United States.
      2. tomket
        tomket 10 October 2013 23: 19
        0
        to the given public official, Markov, the ex-mayor of Semiluk, was charged with money laundering, it turned out to be a snout in the gun))))
    2. Garrin
      Garrin 10 October 2013 17: 22
      +5
      Quote: seasoned

      The authorities found an excuse; hardly anyone leaned out to rank the critics as swamps ...

      Not only power. On our forum, it has also become fashionable.
      1. experienced
        experienced 10 October 2013 18: 50
        +3
        Quote: Garrin
        Not only power. On our forum, it has also become fashionable.

        Hi Igor hi
        The site has long become a tradition, in the absence of arguments in the opponent’s dispute, to call a swamp, a hamster, a liberal, to find fault with a nickname, author or flag and ...
        It's funny sometimes to look after some who have taken on the role of "identifying agents of the West" lol
      2. smile
        smile 10 October 2013 18: 52
        +5
        Garrin
        Have you noticed that all kinds of discontent, without exception, are ridden by the marsh and those who are behind it? Literally everything. as a result, they all pour out into the swamp event. Khmkinsky bacchanalia is a vivid example. And those who express dissatisfaction with this are not able to cope. They are unable to dissociate themselves from the marsh. Have you noticed that a significant part of the money injected into NGOs is related to environmental activities? Have you forgotten that in the USSR it also began with ecology? Look, the Balts, too, at first "hugged the sea", and how did they end? This is a common psychological warfare technology. And if people are not able to cope with the fact that they are being led by goats, then who are they themselves? If among the crowd of dissatisfied there will never be a protest against an orator who will begin to lead the protest against the real shoals of specific individuals into the gallows orangeism, then ... those who consider this organized system of minibiots to be the preparation of one big mess that Russia should bury, like the USSR did - right.
    3. Botanologist
      Botanologist 10 October 2013 21: 14
      +2
      While the domestic Russian eco-rebellion is green and weak, the "directors" have not yet had time to connect to it.

      A naive Orsk boy. Let him read the history of the green movement of the USSR and Russia - back in the 1980s, Nature Conservation Brigades (DOP) were massively formed in universities. And it was from them that the entire leadership of the environmental committees in the 1990s, WWF and Ginpis, "Keepers of the Rainbow" and many others grew up.
      DOPs, as public organizations, back in the USSR (!) Had their own weapons rooms, equipment, boats, police protection and much more. There was a whole system of work and training of vigilantes, and much more. Dopovtsy participated in the protection of reserves, green areas, they initiated the creation of some reserves. Sometimes they were killed, there were whole battles with poachers. But these were serious guys, not "swamp" hamsters.

      Naturally, in the course of perestroika, all politicians were looking for friendship with the DPPs, for at first this was the most organized and authoritative force. And today go to Greenpeace or WWF, say: "I was a Dopovite" - you will immediately become your own.

      And these people already had managers in the 1990s. The Khoperskaya story is the work of just one of the branches of "green management", which in 1995-1997 separated from the movement and went into the sphere of organizational structures.
      Another branch is the adherents of the anarchists, these are more of a riot.
      So the affector should study the problem, not fantasize. Theorist ...
  3. andrei332809
    andrei332809 10 October 2013 15: 18
    +4
    environmentalists are pouring water into the wrong mill. where do they get their salary?
    1. smile
      smile 10 October 2013 19: 01
      +1
      andrei332809
      All our "independent" eco-colonies are included in the NGO financing scheme. And the fact that any reasonable or unfounded protest turns into something proves. that this is just one of the links in psychological warfare. unleashed against Russia. Consider Chirikova speaking to the US Senate, receiving grants - a typical environmentalist who has made a career.
      Those who are offended that they are ranked among the marsh ones should think about the answer to the question, so what the hell is any dissatisfied crowd right away the oversized speakers with swamp experience are immediately led to the orange rails? If they did not organize this crowd under specious slogans. If you are not able to control the actions of your leaders, there’s nothing to be offended if you are poked in the face of the results of your life activity, indicating what the goat-goers, leading the herd of barrranes, actually achieve.
  4. Stiletto
    Stiletto 10 October 2013 15: 24
    10
    Along the way, I get schizophrenia from all this.
    On the one hand, I am for the environment. For the purity of their native nature.
    On the other hand, I am against ecoLohovs, to whom this nature is not native, or even cousin. It is very jarring when ecoLoahs from the Netherlands advocate the purity of my nature.
    And I want to say: you would not go, gentlemen, good, on ... No, moderation will not let anyone go there. Well then - in ...
    Fukushima!
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 10 October 2013 16: 56
      0
      To understand yourself, look on the Internet for videos of rallies in Russia against oligarchs destroying nature where ordinary people and not ecologists stand)
  5. nikcris
    nikcris 10 October 2013 15: 51
    +7
    Ecology in the form in which it has been transformed today is not just pseudoscience, but the very "opium for the people."
    Any project for the construction of any shed provides for a crazy environmental section.
    Here I am restoring a monument-museum. For rabid grandmothers (BUDGET !!!) you need to order an environmental project, which will take into account the consumption of paints and solvents for the restoration of paintings, the amount of dust in the furniture restoration workshop ... I started to feel sick ...
    It is a pity that the water cannons on the platform are weak - we need to take fire safety more seriously, so that the next time the Greenpeace team would immediately brainwash. And they did not have to feed them in jail.
    1. clidon
      clidon 10 October 2013 18: 19
      0
      On the other hand, there are no independent environmental organizations, and right before our eyes, there is a lawlessness of users of the land. Either some kind of rubbish will be poured into the lake, or acid aromas rush through the air.
      Officially, of course, no one is to blame, as it turned out, everything is at the level of rumors and bossy stomping feet.
      1. smile
        smile 10 October 2013 19: 11
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        clidon
        On the third hand, environmental organizations organized turned into a network - have a specific structure and receive significant funding from NGOs. It is an organized network. Most of whose employees are not aware of the meaning of the network, and their brains are not enough to think about what their activities actually lead to, and their political preferences, of course, are completely randomly liberalistic for everyone. Meetings and seminars are regularly held with Western colleagues. experience is being adopted from them ... the result is that any environmental discontent instantly gets a political coloring, a swamp. Any rally immediately turns into a coven with swamp slogans ... do you think this happens by accident? Accidentally Chirikov receives grants and is torn into power?
        1. clidon
          clidon 10 October 2013 19: 28
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          Well, since we have this niche empty, of course real or fictional "networks" will creep into it. The state is doing everything to ensure that only the players under its control remain “on the field”. Therefore, even if it is an NGO, even if it is a "foreign agent" (which is very easy to control by the existing legislation), it is better than a void that leads to "patriotic" acid rain and the transformation of lakes into swamps.
          1. smile
            smile 10 October 2013 19: 50
            +4
            clidon
            This niche was empty under the USSR. Then, too, they screamed about ecology, and sometimes justly, as now. But there was no network of organizations; it took its final shape already in the mid-90s. Do not build the illusion that the "agent of influence" can be controlled - it is even impossible to expose him. In this he is often more dangerous than a conscious agent. And do not tell tales about acid rains - after the destruction of the USSR industry, we have an ecological paradise. If you are such a zealous defender of nature, go to the normal long-established state environmental services or organize volunteer squads with them, plant a forest, clean it for free, monitor the environment and write angry papers to the relevant services, and if necessary, to the prosecutor's office (with due zeal- will help, believe me) ... but independent environmentalists get into politics ... why do you think?
            1. clidon
              clidon 10 October 2013 20: 09
              +1
              This is how things happened under the USSR that even before China faded. Moreover, it is completely irresponsible (it is enough to recall the Kyshtym tragedy), since "the Motherland needed", "the situation was tense," etc. Now the situation has worsened - people are making money, and do not care what the consequences. Therefore, "ecological paradise", this is by the 90s, when everything stopped. And I'm not talking about fictional situations, but about what I have personally encountered. There is a chemical stench in the air "If you don't want problems at work, cover the window tightly." Does the water stink? "Buy bottled water, it's high time. Nothing can be done about it."

              I’m not some kind of ecologist and I don’t want to connect my life with this type of activity. Exactly as much as advocating for road safety, but I do not want to become a traffic cop. It’s enough that I don’t throw garbage past the ballot box, I don’t break the rules of the road.

              Why are environmentalists striving for power? Why shouldn't they rush to power? Even if they are not agents of influence, but quite law-abiding Russians. Can't they? Only holy unmercenaries should protect the environment? Put any field on an "amateur" basis and you get low efficiency. Or the crowd.
              1. smile
                smile 10 October 2013 20: 35
                +2
                clidon
                Here, I say, what is happening in China cannot be compared with anything else. except with that. what is happening in the United States in the areas of shale gas production. We were much happier, but you got the necessary stereotypes. which is worse. than we had nowhere else ...... you will still sing the song of dystrophic boys - "there is no other world" ... :))) But, of course, there were problems. The discontent of the people was instantly directed into a political channel ... to chew on, or do you think it yourself?
                And I myself came across water, from the Soviet times periodically into the Belaya River. that phenol is discharged in Ufa ... So once I came and saw blue water from a tap .... water was supplied by water carriers.

                You yourself said perfectly well, all these non-governmental organizations are non-professionals on an amateur basis, professionals work in the relevant services, and do not gather meetings. As for the unmercenaries, that's the point of the public "ecologists" who declare themselves as such ...
                You gave a good example about traffic safety. Can you imagine a rally with the slogan "Down", advocating for the safety of DD? And, meanwhile, this is the same as an environmental meeting. Literally. Think, and on the basis of your own example, you can understand all the absurdity and ineffectiveness of their actions ... in the area that they claim to be the main one - the protection of nature. After all, you absolutely must be professionals.
                And why do not I like the fact that spontaneous environmental protestants climb into power? For one simple reason - they are all (if I'm not right, give a reverse example, at least one) are marsh, a vivid example of Chirikov. They use all ecological slogans only to creep to the feeding trough. Most of the problems they raised prove to be a false, provocative fabrication. That is, they are even more hypocritical and dishonest than the power that they all, as if on a conductor’s stick, criticize together ...
                Is there little reason for you to treat them negatively?
                1. Botanologist
                  Botanologist 10 October 2013 22: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: smile
                  And why do not I like the fact that spontaneous environmental protestants climb into power? For one simple reason - they are all (if I'm not right, give a reverse example, at least one) are marsh, a vivid example of Chirikov. They use all ecological slogans only to creep to the feeding trough. Most of the problems they raised prove to be a false, provocative fabrication. That is, they are even more hypocritical and dishonest than the power that they all, as if on a conductor’s stick, criticize together ...



                  Here I completely agree with you. Which of Chirikova is an ecologist, if she writes the word x .... on a fence with three mistakes? This is not an ecologist, this is ... (I do not want to run into warnings from administrators).

                  An ecologist is a person who understands that building a road through the Khimki forest will bring great benefits to ecology. For the Khimki forest from an environmental point of view has extremely sentimental value, and the flow of vehicles causes such harm to the city’s ecology that they need to be unloaded at any cost.
                2. clidon
                  clidon 12 October 2013 09: 51
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                  I do not want to argue about where it was worse. I have not been to the United States at shale mines, and in China too. Maybe everything is terrible there, or maybe it’s not so important. Let Greenpeace or any other environmental organizations worry about it. I am more interested in the trend within Russia, and it has recently been negative. NGOs are leaving, they are being squeezed out, the state "blind pros" and no less perspicacious full-time "ecologists" from chemical plants remain.

                  You yourself said perfectly well, all these non-governmental organizations are non-professionals on an amateur basis, professionals work in the relevant services, and do not gather meetings. As for the unmercenaries, that's the point of the public "ecologists" who declare themselves as such ...

                  So the trouble is that in our country NGOs are turning from professionals (that is, places where people build careers and get money) who can be promoted along non-governmental lines, into notorious outcasts. We don’t want to pay money, let someone else pay it. But “crawling” into power with the democratic structure of the state is the norm.
              2. nikcris
                nikcris 11 October 2013 00: 38
                0
                Do not cry and do not frighten with your exclamations of those left anointed. Everything is from you, and we have mushrooms and potatoes with meat. I made 150 liters of grape wine. No sugar and no alcohol.
            2. Botanologist
              Botanologist 10 October 2013 22: 46
              0
              Quote: smile
              This niche was empty during the USSR.


              Do not write nonsense if you do not know. I wrote above - Nature Protection Teams (DOP) were very well developed. And they were not formal, do not confuse with VOOP. They selected sector commanders (BSZ, BSB, etc.), who patrolled areas of responsibility weekly. If required, with a weapon.

              So we will not talk about the USSR ... Everything was very serious.
              1. smile
                smile 10 October 2013 22: 56
                0
                Botanologist
                Calm, respected, calmer - I meant public organizations that did not cooperate with the state, namely the niche that my opponent mentioned. Read what I answered, and then throw estimates. For now, I will refrain from evaluating your conclusions, but please be careful, okay? :)))
  6. IRBIS
    IRBIS 10 October 2013 15: 56
    +9
    I see nothing wrong with the people's protests against the arbitrariness of the authorities or their inaction. Just do not allow individuals and parties to give political capital to earn on people's anger. It’s time for the leadership to move from words to specific cases in the field of unity of laws for all. Everyone before the laws must be equal. From a simple hard worker to the President. Only dreams of all this ...
    1. experienced
      experienced 10 October 2013 16: 04
      +8
      Quote: IRBIS
      I see nothing wrong with the people's protests against the arbitrariness of the authorities or their inaction. Just do not allow individuals and parties to give political capital to earn on people's anger. It’s time for the leadership to move from words to specific cases in the field of unity of laws for all. Everyone before the laws must be equal. From a simple hard worker to the President. Only dreams of all this ...

      Well, not a word, everything is in the subject good
      Alexander, take off my hat hi Concisely, clearly and correctly, but ... unfortunately fiction recourse
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 10 October 2013 16: 32
        +4
        Quote: seasoned
        but ... unfortunately fiction

        Thank you Alexey! I’m sitting here, dreaming, do you understand justice ...
        It is a pity that the one who is able to at least try to implement it, dreams of something completely different.
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 10 October 2013 17: 40
        +3
        Quote: seasoned
        but ... unfortunately fiction recourse


        Quote: IRBIS
        It is a pity that the one who is able to at least try to implement it, dreams of something completely different.

        Well then you tease, men?
    2. Gato
      Gato 10 October 2013 16: 14
      +4
      Quote: IRBIS
      Everyone before the laws must be equal. From a simple hard worker to the President. Only dreams of all this ...

      Moreover, these dreams are several thousand years old (if archaeologists do not lie) yes
      1. smile
        smile 10 October 2013 19: 15
        +2
        Gato
        I think the first to think about justice was the monkey, who received an undeserved kick from the leader of the monkey tribe. :))) Dreams of justice are exactly as many years old as humanity.
        1. Gato
          Gato 10 October 2013 22: 56
          +1
          Quote: smile
          Gato
          Dreams of justice are exactly as many years old as humanity.

          IRBISu Respect laughing
    3. timer
      timer 10 October 2013 20: 33
      0
      In this I agree. Just add, and greenpeace and our home-grown fighters for the environment are fulfilling someone's specific order (economic or political). Why Greenpeace has become more active in the Arctic right now, because it is necessary to prevent Russia from strengthening its positions in this region, then it will be too late. they were given the command-face. As for our "independent environmentalists" (we are fashionable, everyone is independent. Only from whom and why they themselves do not know), so I am sure that this command was given to strengthen the "opposition leaders" (as they appointed themselves) and actively work out with their crowd grants from "uncle sam". I compared, for myself, these lousy opposition leaders with Hitler at the beginning of his political path - bugs and clowns.
      1. sergaivenski
        sergaivenski 11 October 2013 05: 56
        0
        I completely agree with your point of view !!! These "clowns" did not just show up on "Prirazlomnaya" for a reason !!! with "clowns" !!! This incident near a drilling rig in the Pechora Sea has clearly shown the whole world that behind-the-scenes directors, who remain in the shadows for the time being, are very skillful in using the discontent of ordinary people! That is why personally I, a simple guy from the Urals, have long I don’t trust anyone except my mother and my relatives !!!
  7. 787nkx
    787nkx 10 October 2013 16: 07
    +5
    Why in Novokhopersk open environmentally controversial production of nickel mining.
    Norilsk Nickel fully covers the needs of the country and enough for export.
    In pursuit of profit, there would be nothing more to lose.
    1. smile
      smile 10 October 2013 19: 23
      +3
      787nkx
      So let's get back to ecologically clean plowing of plow horse on horseback and tools made of fish bone, it helps ecology very much ... though the lack of sewage system will greatly upset ecologists in sackcloth clothes, but they’ll arrange a rally to change the state’s power and promise nature to stop. .t- and everything will be all right. Nature will understand, and she has never seen such a woman in her life- The eruption of a volcano like Tambor, which threw several tens of cubic kilometers of sulfur compounds into the atmosphere is much steeper than the activities of pathetic little men over the years of their futile efforts ...
      1. Gato
        Gato 10 October 2013 23: 03
        -1
        Quote: smile
        So let's go back to environmentally friendly plowing of plow horse on horseback and tools made of fish bone - this contributes greatly to ecology.

        Exactly! Nah computers, the Internet, the topwar website - there’s nothing to argue about, back to nature (to return horses and dogs to wildness - they didn’t get anything from taming), all on palm trees! Environmentally friendly! laughing
  8. Gato
    Gato 10 October 2013 16: 12
    +2
    Can the turmoil in Turkey be considered an "ecobunt"?
    As you know, there formally everything began with the protection of Gezi Park in Istanbul. You can scream about an "environmental threat" for any reason: from the construction of a gas station by a competitor to offshore oil / gas production by an unwanted country.
    1. smile
      smile 10 October 2013 19: 28
      +1
      Gato
      A great example. This is a standard technology for creating orange riots that has been practiced for decades. Environmental screams - a typical detonator, and, as you correctly pointed out, universal, you can detonate anywhere, at any time, chosen by the "demolition". Especially if there is one. as we have an established network of environmental organizations with an appropriately formalized political orientation.
      1. Gato
        Gato 10 October 2013 23: 12
        0
        Quote: smile
        Environmental screams - typical detonator

        Well yes! Vladimir, let's think wider fellow
        Anything fits the role of a detonator:
        - corruption and outright lies in power (everyone can see)
        - corruption in the Moscow Region (which makes the military especially angry, it hurts and is close to me)
        - corruption in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and special services (the latter is especially scary)
        - Media - there are simply no words
  9. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 10 October 2013 16: 13
    +5
    Any social struggle must be waged within the framework of laws, which regulate relationships, protesters and the state. And if these laws are violated, this is called lawlessness, literary rebellion, revolution. We are fed up with revolutions. So, I completely agree with the actions of the authorities (border guards) to curb foreign Protestants on the oil platform. The protest movement in the country will be. The people have every right to protests. Moreover, there are plenty of reasons for this: corruption of the authorities, nepotism, overwhelming bureaucracy, etc. Only if he will be "patronized" by Western "well-wishers", we do not need such protests.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 10 October 2013 17: 01
      0
      "Any social struggle should be conducted within the framework of the laws" And if the laws do not allow effective struggle and corrupt officials and cops themselves spit on the law?
      "And if these laws are violated, this is called - lawlessness, literary rebellion" Fortunately, we have fewer and fewer obedient slaves, and more and more people are ready to fight hard for bravery)
      1. yur
        yur 10 October 2013 21: 32
        +2
        As the ancients said: The law is harsh, but the law. If we begin to choose which law allows us to fight effectively, and which one doesn’t, or even more justify our lawlessness by saying that someone spits on the laws, we can go so far that all these Arab seasons, bright yellow revolutions will seem to be fussing kids in the sandbox. I think so.
      2. Botanologist
        Botanologist 10 October 2013 22: 57
        0
        Quote: New Russia
        more people ready to fight hard for brava more


        If only this tough struggle did not lead to great sacrifices in the name of the idea. The struggle is a tricky business, the hype sets in, because in France, too, the guillotine was not immediately pulled to the square. And when I woke up from a fever, I had to quickly arrange a thermidor until the country died out.
        So be careful with the fight. And especially "for their rights" - others also have them.
    2. smile
      smile 10 October 2013 19: 32
      +1
      Ivanovich47
      In the meantime, we see. that Western well-wishers not only patronize, but also finance and organize these movements, and the protest moods are saddled by swamps. And this is a fact, freeing up all the pathos of those who believe that riots against the government are very useful for Russia.
    3. timer
      timer 10 October 2013 21: 08
      -1
      So they are sponsored and financed by our enemies, England and the United States. Here I constantly hear and read in the comments, we are fed up with revolutions. And how do you my comrades want the current regime to leave power? By the assertive and clearly planned outrage of the active part of the people led by the Russian national movement, or by a party that will not be financed by the West and not by our fucking oligarchs (who give a fuck about the Russian people) - small and medium Russian business - the one who is being squeezed by the authorities from all sides, and who counts only on himself, with a clear ideology, the essence of which is "we will revive the nation and the Russian state on our own."
      1. smile
        smile 10 October 2013 23: 26
        +1
        timer
        And you want to replace Pu, in which we started to get out of the hole by ... on whom? On whom. I'm asking? K))) Or is it an end in itself, and then at least the grass does not grow? It is an assertive and clearly planned outrage, which is dominated by the marsh and is now organized by experts in the Orange Revolution. And you won’t get anywhere from this.
        Look, when Anal and his company appear at any rally of dissatisfied, albeit theoretically not marshy ... what happens? Does someone angrily send them nafing?
        Nothing of the sort, the crowd ALWAYS cheers them happily. So, there is no need to be offended here, that people like you are called swamp - this is a fact. The disaffected crowd is a herd of potential swamp supporters. Because the crowd is always a mindless bunch, ready to listen only to the cries of "Down with", it does not hear anything else, even if it will consist entirely of intellectuals.
        By the way, the opposition is critical of the people who criticize our power, and they differ from the authorities only in that. which is more deceitful and worthless, the rest is one to one.
        And with your clearly planned (and artificially excited) organized discontent poured into rebellion, you will not achieve the revival of the nation and the state - you will repeat the collapse of the USSR on a Russian scale. destroy the state and finally finish off the nation ... Your statement about a clear ideology sounds especially mockingly stupid ... what the hell is a single ideology? About what the fuck bastard? (I hope. Remember the joke) :)))
        A single ideology of liberals, fascists and homosexuals? Ponder your own words. You look at the opposition. What is one in it? The only slogan is Down !. All. Nobody thinks about the future, all do not care, the main thing is to seize power. The only normal opposition is the communists. But they will never be able to unite the opposition under their own banner - interests that are too opposed, and for other reasons that I will not dwell on - there is no time ..
        And what do you have from your dreams in the end? Pshik - Based on our own strengths, and improper ones too. Get down to the ground. What you write is a set of slogans. good wishes without the slightest analysis of what your dreams will lead to ...
        Forgive me for my harshness, I am calm and do not want to offend you. It's just that I'm completely intolerant, and when possible I speak in plain text.
        I repeat the question, who are you eager to replace Pu with? This is a matter of principle. since you are going to change it with the help of the discontent of the people, whose natural discontent is warmed up from the outside by the lies of our opposition, which organize the discontented and lead them. Yeah, according to your words, he is clearly planning - although, of course, other people are planning.
  10. Egoza
    Egoza 10 October 2013 16: 24
    +5
    The main thing is for the authorities to pay attention to the peaceful protests of their citizens, until these peaceful protests develop into a riot. And in our country they look more at the protests organized "abroad". And it would be necessary to put the "guardians" in their place, but to listen to their people.
  11. fklj
    fklj 10 October 2013 16: 26
    +1
    In Baikalsk, a long-term eco-riot led to the elimination of large-scale production.

    Where does the information come from? The BPPM stopped work (I hope forever) on a piece of paper from Moscow, just as it began its work.
    Protest actions in Irkutsk against the construction of an oil pipeline along the shore (and even along the bottom !!!) of Lake Baikal can be called "Eco-riot". Then the rulers forgot. Transferred "Putin's pipe" to Lena.
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    2. New Russia
      New Russia 10 October 2013 17: 15
      +1
      Former BPPM employees, on the contrary, demand to restore the plant's work or give them the promised jobs. The Governor "forgot" to do this http://irkutskmedia.ru/news/irkutsk/02.10.2013/306141/70/XNUMX/okolo-XNUMX-bivshih-rabotniko

      v-btsbk-vishli-na-miting-v-irkutske.html
    3. Botanologist
      Botanologist 10 October 2013 22: 59
      0
      Quote: fklj
      Transferred "Putin's pipe" to Lena.


      In fact, Khodorkovsky started there with a pipe.
      1. fklj
        fklj 11 October 2013 03: 04
        +1
        In fact, Khodorkovsky started there with a pipe.

        Yeah. Khodorkovsky, Navalny, Ksyushka Sobchak, led by the American embassy.
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  13. New Russia
    New Russia 10 October 2013 16: 31
    +5
    “In Novokhopyorsk, Voronezh Oblast, a local eco-revolt by opponents of the construction of a nickel mining plant has already paralyzed the work of industrialists for half a year and created a huge headache for local authorities.

    In Baikalsk, a long-term eco-riot led to the elimination of large-scale production.
    The eco-riot in Ulyanovsk, which had just appeared against the park development, irritated the authorities and paralyzed the work of the developers, provoking legal proceedings.

    These are only the loudest examples of this year. There are many more examples of smaller ones across the country, it's just that either they have not yet reached a high level of discussion, or the problems that caused them have already been resolved. "

    A comrade, however, kept silent about the reasons for these events and, as always, tried to find the hand of the State Department (there are still fools who believe in this).
    It should be reminded to the regular nonsense that the events in Novohopersk began with the brutal beating of protesters, including women’s guards and blindfolding the cops with eyes on it. It is interesting what the staff nonsense will say about ethnic skirmishes and popular gatherings, the number of which has grown many times over the past two years. Apparently, until the situation became completely critical, it was ordered to remain silent.
  14. bddrus
    bddrus 10 October 2013 16: 55
    +2
    in Krasnoyarsk there were rallies against a ferroalloy plant 10 km from the city - it seems that they stopped the construction, but the pancake Lenta hypermarket is being built next to another hyper-shopping center and it’s normal, although they also voiced that there is no building permit - the boxes are ugly, without any architecture
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 10 October 2013 16: 58
      +2
      Hypermarket Lenta does not emit thousands of tons of waste into the atmosphere, therefore, unlike the first case, a simple bribe helped)
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 10 October 2013 17: 06
        0
        Quote: New Russia
        a simple bribe helped)

        Well, let's say, not so simple ...
    2. Slavs69
      Slavs69 10 October 2013 20: 43
      0
      This was preceded by rallies against the construction of a ferroalloy plant in Abakan (Khakassia), and actions were also held. The government of Khakassia carried out an examination of the safety of production (of course, there is no reason for panic), deputies flashed at the protests (well, where without them). Outcome: There is no plant. In the "piggy bank FOR" the argument was +2500 jobs.
  15. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 10 October 2013 17: 04
    0
    Quote: New Russia
    It should be reminded to the regular nonsense that the events in Novokhopyorsk began with the brutal beating of protesters, including women’s guards and blindfolding the cops with their eyes

    In my opinion you contradict yourself. Events began with protest and subsequent development (beating and closing eyes). About the hand in the article
    While the domestic Russian eco-rebellion is green and weak, the "directors" have not yet had time to connect to it.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 10 October 2013 17: 10
      +2
      "Events began with a protest and subsequent development (beating and closing eyes)." If not for the beating it would not have resulted in a pogrom of geologists. When people are spit in their faces and beaten, their demands and laws are openly ignored, this causes hatred
  16. Dimitr
    Dimitr 10 October 2013 17: 43
    +2
    Yes, it’s rightly said, the competition of competitors, when all the cheeks-pokey, no protests by local residents will help, but different events can be interpreted differently, who benefits!
  17. rereture
    rereture 10 October 2013 18: 32
    +2
    Just as a mobile operator’s tower was set up in our populated punk (just one tower, without equipment at that time, it stood about three months before the equipment was brought), so people wrote applications to the village administration, supposedly the children get sick often, headaches, cattle dies , the cow does not give milk, etc. etc. Here are some of the people who are not literate in environmental matters.
    1. smile
      smile 10 October 2013 19: 38
      +2
      rereture
      Your quote:
      "These are some of our people who are not literate in the issue of ecology"
      And it’s precisely such people who are used by environmental directors, first exciting them with mythical environmental horrors, and then by slurping slogan slogans on them ... everything is as simple as two fingers of obfosalt ...
      1. rereture
        rereture 10 October 2013 19: 58
        +1
        I completely agree with you.
  18. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 10 October 2013 19: 34
    +2
    In Novokhopyorsk, Voronezh Region, a local eco-revolt of opponents of the construction of a nickel mining plant soon after half a year paralyzed the work of industrialists and created a huge headache for local authorities.
    In Baikalsk, a long-term eco-riot led to the elimination of large-scale production.

    This is called wrecking. If we do not mine nickel in the Voronezh region, we will buy it in other countries at the expense of the Russian population. Fools should have already realized that miracles do not happen.
    If herbicides are used in the fields, hares die, if not used, we die because of crop failure. So far, we are making decisions, not hares.
    Contrary to the opinion of the profane, Russia has no wealth of mineral resources, except for explored and prepared for production during the Soviet era, which will last for a maximum of 10-15, and for some species less.
    The exploration and preparation of new reserves costs trillions of rubles that the oligarchs will not invest, and the budget has no money. In the Russian Federation, it is not socialism, but capitalism and income that goes not to the state budget, but to the pockets of the oligarchs. Without impact on the environment, we still do not know how to work and will not learn for another 50-100 years.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 10 October 2013 21: 16
      +1
      Quote: Corsair5912
      The exploration and preparation of new reserves costs trillions of rubles that the oligarchs will not invest, and the budget has no money. In the Russian Federation, it is not socialism, but capitalism and income that goes not to the state budget, but to the pockets of the oligarchs. Without impact on the environment, we still do not know how to work and will not learn for another 50-100 years.

      Exactly. But our businessmen from production do not really bother themselves with such things as a project or environmental impact assessment - why? because all for the grandmother!
      Here in our area, too, they built a plant for the production of primary aluminum (the project was cut down after almost 2 years of struggle), so the walls were already there, but permission was never received
    2. nikcris
      nikcris 10 October 2013 21: 53
      -2
      Cool philosophy - plus.)))
      And whose point is sticking out of the bowels?

      ps-ps I know whose, but I could not help but joke
  19. grafrozow
    grafrozow 10 October 2013 19: 45
    -2
    Quote: Dimitr
    Yes, it’s rightly said, the competition of competitors, when all the cheeks-pokey, no protests by local residents will help, but different events can be interpreted differently, who benefits!
    That's the point, especially the new law on rallies, the Ministry of Internal Affairs will immediately "bast" the protesters.
  20. marsavin.yu
    marsavin.yu 10 October 2013 21: 32
    0
    A good solution would be the systematic elimination of objective reasons for dissatisfaction - that’s the only thing that is right in the article.
  21. Lawless
    Lawless 10 October 2013 21: 40
    +4
    How can you talk about the situation without knowing it on the spot ??! ?? In Voronezh, students arrange pickets for money (for 500 rubles / 2 hours), hand out stickers "Voronezh against Nickel", walk around the apartments of pensioners telling how harmful nickel is and campaigning go out into the streets, ask for a signature against the mining !!! Question: where did they get flags, T-shirts, posters, stickers and other x ... if they are not funded ??! ?? For your reference: closed mining; processing in the Urals.
  22. Severok
    Severok 10 October 2013 23: 04
    -1
    The end of the article is clearly utopian, for the authorities have long been from a high perch, according to the law of a chicken coop, to all those who are dissatisfied, because they do not even need to give the command "fas" to the judiciary-prosecutor-Pontian ... what is being done in the judicial-prosecutor-pontovsky.
  23. creak
    creak 10 October 2013 23: 17
    0
    [quote = Corsair5912] [quote] In the Russian Federation, it is not socialism, but capitalism and revenues that go not to the state budget, but to the pockets of the oligarchs.

    In Russia, it was not capitalism, but developed feudalism - with boyars and slaves, with enormous social inequality ... And, as we know from history, in Russia this situation has never brought to good, when the powers that be were lacking common sense to soberly assess the prevailing situation and take adequate measures. It seems that historical experience does not teach us anything ...
  24. tomket
    tomket 10 October 2013 23: 44
    +2
    Nickel mining in Khopre. To begin with, the directors are there, the same people with the marsh that parasitize the local population. Actually, they don’t even hide much, you can often see the union of the two anti-Nickel + Bulk stickers on the car. By the way, the audience is quite aggressive if you start talking to them reasonably why don’t you put your signature on the lists against nickel mining, at first they try to convince that the water from Khopr, for example, will go into wells, ending with the fact that Chernobyl will be ubiquitous. Since he himself lived for three years in the city of the same name Nika I’m aware of what they’re talking about, their arguments usually don’t penetrate them), then they begin to be rude, but if you start to press their arguments in response, they either go to the mat or accuse me of receiving money for pro-Putin propaganda))) I have repeatedly asked the adress to suggest, otherwise I get to the ideological))).
  25. tomket
    tomket 10 October 2013 23: 57
    +1
    If initially the local public really opposed the local bureaucracy, then now they have grown up to the so-called anti-government views, any discus with them quickly goes over to anti-Putin rhetoric. In general, they are well brainwashed there. The pogrom of geologists, in my opinion, is precisely the development of civil disobedience. to taste the blood, so to speak, and the police check for lice, how to behave. A right thing, so to speak. And lastly, I will share my thoughts on directing. When in the Voronezh region. the African plague broke out, a moment arose for a truly ecological rebellion. in some villages there was open disobedience to the authorities because of their excesses in the destruction of the livestock of pigs. However, all this did not lead to mass performances like hoppers, pickets and stickers on cars, as well as T-shirts, did not appear. and only now in anti-Putin groups in social networks they are starting to raise this topic, they say poor unfortunate peasants .. But as they say the train has already left. It turns out that the directors occupied by Khoprom and the Moscow elections missed a really great moment to inflict an injection of power. Therefore, I personally do not believe in the sincerity of folk moaning over a birch or a pine cut down.
  26. tomket
    tomket 11 October 2013 00: 10
    +1
    Well, lastly, about all the same anti-Putin social groups. In the midst of the floods in the Khabarovsk Territory, the people got so crazy that they directly accused Putin of the flood, apparently he either turned off the crane or forgot to close it.))))
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 11 October 2013 00: 28
      0
      it started earlier - in Krymsk. If there is rain or not, the satraps are to blame.
  27. nikcris
    nikcris 11 October 2013 00: 23
    0
    I am alarmed by the question itself. One hundred years ago in this Voronezh they dug and dug up the ideal of agriculture for Europe. Today they again dug nickel there. You bro brothers decide ...
  28. GUSAR
    GUSAR 11 October 2013 00: 52
    0
    Kill nature, kill ourselves ... and then (God forbid), politics, the State Department, Putin, Obama and others nevermind ...
  29. Known who
    Known who 11 October 2013 03: 16
    0
    In my opinion, the reason for the mini-riots is the inability of the authorities to do something, economic impotence, i.e. to collect taxes, steal a kickback that she can, and invest no matter in the construction or modernization of production. And if he invests, it is only in such a way that he would steal at least 30%, and the development of the protest movement in the environmental direction is only a tribute to fashion.