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Mobile Toplars with a Tomahawk?

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Mobile Toplars with a Tomahawk?



Raytheon completed the successful test of the on-board ESM (Electronic Support Measure) tracking system as an upgrade to the Tomahawk Block IV CD, reports October, ASDNews 8. The ESM includes a processor and antenna for detecting and tracking radio-emitting fixed and mobile targets. The capabilities of the system were confirmed in an anechoic chamber for seven months of testing.

“This new feature will allow a cruise missile to hit moving ground targets. We believe that the work carried out makes it possible to increase the combat effectiveness of the CD with reasonable costs ”, says Roy Donelson, director of the Tomahawk program at Raytheon Missile Systems.

The company continues to work in partnership with the US Navy to modernize the CD "Tomahawk". The rocket received a two-channel satellite communication system, which allows you to redirect the KR in flight. “The company provides Navy missiles with new capabilities. Tomahawk is an open architecture platform that is able to integrate new technologies with a high level of readiness, ”says Donelson. The new multi-mode seeker will allow Navy strike groups to hit mobile targets at long range.


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It is not a big secret for what purpose this system is developed. In the "NVO", the mouthpiece of the Liebermans, Mikhail Rastopshin - Ph.D. It is not known what sciences, in the article "Mobile" Topol "under the gun" Tomahawk ", - with great fanfare praises, quote:" The United States is the world leader in the field of creation and combat use of SLCM and ALCM. To date, part of the Ohio-class nuclear submarines (APLs) in the USA have been converted into carriers of the Tomahawk SLCM. The program to create the Tomahawk SLCMB was adopted in the United States in 1972, and even then provided for strikes on Soviet strategic missile forces, points of state and military control. As a result of modernization and taking into account combat experience in the 2006, the US Navy adopted a new SLCM RGM-109E "Tactical Tomahawk" Block 4 with a combat unit in conventional gear. "
"NVO", the Internet version of 08.04.2011

And - "in the case of the approach of the American nuclear submarines in the waters of the northern and far eastern seas and being in close proximity to the borders of the Russian Federation, all positions of the Strategic Missile Forces and government control facilities fall within the zone of the SLCM (see “NVO” No. 41, 2009; No. 39, 2010).

The articles are quite old, we know, during this time a lot of water has passed under the bridge, many events have occurred on the beginning of strengthening the defenses of our borders. Now, the positional areas of field launch positions and patrol routes up to 10 have been expanded under the last Treaty. New systems of management, control and delivery of orders are being adopted. New means of masking and distortion BSP. These positions began to hide behind the "armor", the killers of the "Axes" and other air defense missile defense systems. Nevertheless, we should not lose sight of these aspirations of our sworn "friends" and take proactive measures to close the positional areas and protect them with both air defense and missile defense systems and electronic warfare systems and countermeasures to potential enemy space surveillance systems.
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  1. Denis
    Denis 10 October 2013 06: 32 New
    +8
    No wonder these unconventional so against the missile trains were
    This new feature will allow a cruise missile the ability to hit moving ground targets
    So far, only the opportunity, they are lovers to lie, has happened more than once. But this is not a reason to relax. As long as I resume the MLC, there is something to be done.
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 10 October 2013 07: 51 New
      -3
      Quote: Denis
      So far, only an opportunity, they are lovers to lie, more than once it happened

      For example?

      Downed in Yugoslavia "stealth"? 1 combat loss on 900 sorties. In my opinion, a great result

      With the Tomahawk, everything is OK. One of the most effective combat systems of our time, able to "open" the air defense system of any state and disorganize the enemy army faster than it has time to react. Leave it without command centers, aviation, power plants, radars and radio towers ...

      Dozens of rocket modifications for various carriers, warheads and guidance systems
      1. Denis
        Denis 10 October 2013 08: 14 New
        0
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        For example?
        SOI bike about star wars
        1. Magellan
          Magellan 10 October 2013 09: 36 New
          +3
          Quote: Denis
          SOI bike about star wars

          SOI was originally conceived as misinformation

          But the Yankees did have a number of projects that were submitted with great fanfare, while their real value and capabilities were an order of magnitude smaller.
          You don’t have to go far for examples:

          - IJIS - maritime information system that combines all the subsystems of the ship (detection equipment, weapons, communications, struggle for survivability)
          Bottom line: a downed Iranian airliner identified as a fighter
          after 30 years, Aegis never learned to shoot down low-flying supersonic anti-ship missiles - surely! with a low decimeter radar AN / SPY-1, which nichrome does not distinguish targets at the water surface



          - modern missile defense system - a lot of noise, a little sense. Although the Americans are working hard in this direction
          The choice of location for the deployment of interceptor missiles gives a lot - Europe !!! If the Yankees really tried to shoot down Russian missiles, they would have deployed a missile defense system in Greenland - after all, all ICBMs will go from that direction, it makes no sense to shoot them after Europe

          Radar with headlamps at the US Air Force Base Thule (Greenland, 1500 km from the North Pole). When the Yankees seriously feared the USSR, they deployed radars and fighters in high latitudes.

      2. Avenger711
        Avenger711 10 October 2013 08: 38 New
        +1
        "Tunguska" and "shell" are waiting.
      3. borisjdin1957
        borisjdin1957 10 October 2013 08: 38 New
        +1
        from the Don.
        In Yugoslavia: Stealth: unsurpassed, shot down with a cap, and: Axes: flying to microwave ovens, like flies to the city of But!
        1. Magellan
          Magellan 10 October 2013 09: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: borisjdin1957
          In Yugoslavia: Stealth: unrivaled, shot down with a cap

          Not with a cap, but with earflaps

      4. afire
        afire 10 October 2013 09: 13 New
        0
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        With the Tomahawk, everything is OK. One of the most effective combat systems of our time, able to "open" the air defense system of any state and disorganize the enemy army faster than it has time to react. Leave it without command centers, aviation, power plants, radars and radio towers ...

        Dozens of rocket modifications for various carriers, warheads and guidance systems

        Boy, get out of here. It stinks of you with some sort of ss mattress
        1. Denis
          Denis 10 October 2013 13: 44 New
          0
          Quote: afire
          you smell like some ss mattress
          It seems like this
      5. maxbrov74
        maxbrov74 10 October 2013 09: 24 New
        +2
        Downed in Yugoslavia "stealth"? 1 combat loss on 900 sorties. In my opinion, a great result


        Such epics are simply touching. If you truly sincerely believe in the infallibility of the "clumsy" strategy and other true military stories from the defenders of striped values, then you are certainly excusable. One cannot insult the feelings of sincere believers.
        1. Magellan
          Magellan 10 October 2013 09: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: maxbrov74
          Just such epics are touching

          Can you share reliable information about the use of "stealth" in Yugoslavia?

          quote:
          During the 78 days of the air war, NATO aircraft made 38 000 combat sorties, including 10 484 shock. Aviation brought on the “wings of freedom” 23 614 aircraft ammunition, not counting sea-based cruise missiles (all American and British ships spent 700 “Tomahawks” order). The damage from the bombing exceeded 200 billion dollars.

          The Aviation Museum in Belgrade has only two large trophies - F-117A Nighthook and F-16C Block 40D Fighting Folken

          And also 2 drones:
          - American Predator (tail number 95-3019)
          - French UAV Sagem Crecerelle (light 115 kg drone)

          and wreckage tomahawk

          There is also evidence (confirmed by NATO command) about the loss of two Apache combat helicopters in the territory of Albania (officially - navigation errors when flying at night, which may well be true)

          loss of the AV-8 Harrier II VTOL aircraft (number 164568, 365th Squadron of the US Marine Corps) - an error occurred while landing at the UDC in the Adriatic Sea.

          transporter S-130 "Gerekules" (crashed while landing at the airbase in Macedonia)


          In view of the foregoing, the NATO Air Force defeated Yugoslavia with isolated losses on its part. This is unpleasant, but you have to believe it. Tales about the downed B-2 I do not even want to blame
          1. v.lyamkin
            v.lyamkin 10 October 2013 10: 24 New
            +2
            Too unequal forces were.
        2. commentor
          commentor 10 October 2013 10: 15 New
          +9
          They are touched by songwriters who do not want to admit that any air defense can be satiated.
          Who believe that a downed ax is good luck. I want to disappoint you - opening and detecting air defense positions is one of the main tasks of the "clumsy strategy", as well as unloading enemy interceptors.

          You probably think that axes will fly first, then fighter aircraft, then bombers, drones and attack aircraft, then EW and REP will begin?

          Ага.

          All will arrive at once. The main shock doctrine of the United States is mass suppression, exclusive domination in all directions. An hour after a sudden strike there will be no command posts, no early detection radars.

          It doesn't matter how many axes our air defense knocks down. They will solve their problem of the first wave.
          1. Storm
            Storm 10 October 2013 10: 37 New
            +5
            For this, “Knights” and “Morpheans” are now being made, which will be able to “unload” this mass bulk. But that the problem is denying is stupid, of course. Much remains to be done in terms of air defense.
            1. Nayhas
              Nayhas 10 October 2013 11: 06 New
              +4
              Quote: Sturm
              For this, “Knights” and “Morpheans” are now being made, which will be able to “unload” this mass bulk. But that the problem is denying is stupid, of course. Much remains to be done in terms of air defense.

              The defending side is obviously in unfavorable conditions, it has to predict the probable direction of the impact thereby spraying forces and means. An attacker can launch tactical missiles along hundreds of routes using intelligence data on the location of air defense facilities.
              1. a52333
                a52333 10 October 2013 12: 42 New
                0
                Yeah therefore, after the first launch of the SLCM, the ship immediately turns into a bathyscaphe.
              2. Army1
                Army1 15 October 2013 13: 20 New
                0
                Air defense will never fully protect, we have an air force whose number is still unknown, and in the "threatened period" you can go on a preventive gift, even if all US ships are clogged with axes, they will be left without their far from ideal air defense.
          2. Nitup
            Nitup 10 October 2013 12: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: commentor
            An hour after a sudden strike there will be no command posts, no early detection radars.

            You make things very easy. Firstly, it is still necessary to ensure this surprise. Such a concentration of military potential around our borders cannot go unnoticed. The problem is that we currently do not have a sufficient non-nuclear response potential of high-precision long-range weapons. This problem should be solved with the entry of the Ash-type submarine into the fleet. Also, with the adoption of the Yars PGRK Strategic Missile Forces, the Strategic Missile Forces began to be equipped with ASBU of these new generation systems, which are MOBILE. Now the intermediate links of bringing orders in the form of stationary points of combat control of nuclear weapons are excluded and the radius of the patrol zone is increasing. Also, with the adoption of the new PGRK, which will be the modernization of the Yars complex (the modernization will mainly concern combat equipment), will be adopted by the fifth generation of even more advanced ASBUs. So the work is going in different directions.
            1. Rus2012
              10 October 2013 16: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Nitup
              The problem is that we currently do not have a sufficient non-nuclear response potential of high-precision long-range weapons.

              Dear colleague, do we need a symmetrical strike on the WTO by our WTO?
              The Politburo, as it turned out, was 100% right when it declared that for all your pranks, get to the fullest! And the world stood a good half a century. It was they who diverged, raging ...
          3. Garik
            Garik 10 October 2013 15: 15 New
            0
            Of course, I put you + since under a certain condition in the current situation you would be right, and the condition is of course the absence of nuclear weapons! And precisely because of this condition, Russia and the United States will not when they do not collide in their own territories. Skirmishes are possible but only in neutral zones, the possibility of which we recently observed off the coast of Syria.
          4. Rus2012
            10 October 2013 16: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: commentor
            It doesn't matter how many axes our air defense knocks down. They will solve their problem of the first wave.

            Oh ...
            The battle route of the rusty ax - from one and a half thousand km. Will fly from 2 hours. During this time, many, many times will be detected. Well, an adequate response within 30 minutes with a full calculation! Then from what * street to beat on an empty mine?
        3. Russ69
          Russ69 10 October 2013 12: 58 New
          +1
          Downed in Yugoslavia "stealth"? 1 combat loss on 900 sorties. In my opinion, a great result

          This is how to look. We can say that after the destruction of a new, sophisticated "stealth", an old Soviet missile, all aircraft over the next few years were decommissioned. Apparently the American generals categorically evaluated the result of the combat use, otherwise they would not have taken it out of service ...
          As for the axes, you do not need to make a panacea out of them. However, the same as from the "Shell" in the fight against him.
          Yes, a good and effective rocket, but nothing more. Her war, you still won’t win.
        4. Heccrbq .2
          Heccrbq .2 10 October 2013 23: 09 New
          0
          it's time to wake up and get out of the dusk baby!
      6. tungus
        tungus 10 October 2013 09: 57 New
        +7
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        One of the most effective combat systems of our time, able to "open" the air defense system of any state and disorganize the enemy army faster than it has time to react.

        About "any state" you got excited. So far, the tomahawks have been used only against countries in which air defense was weak and consisted of old systems. And the attacked countries themselves did not have the strength and means to retaliate against the carriers of the Tomahawks. What happens if the "invincible warriors of the world" try to use the CD against the enemy of their weight category? Will the Jedi country cease after this existence?

        As for the hypothetically possible “tomahawks” attack of “poplars”, the question arises: where will the missiles be launched from? Do not forget that the maximum flight range of the Kyrgyz Republic is 2500 km, and this is not on all modifications. For RGM / UGM-109D, for example, it does not exceed 1250 km. But even the 2500 km range does not make it possible to cover most of Russia.
        Starts are possible either from the territory of European countries or from the Pacific Ocean. In the first case, the missiles will not reach the Urals. In the second, even Baikal has not been reached. That is, most of Eastern and all of Western Siberia are not reachable in principle.
        And launches from European countries are from the realm of fantasy. None of the European countries will provide the Americans with their territory for launching missiles in Russia, because the further fate of such a country will be a little predictable. And everyone understands this. Launches from ships and nuclear submarines will not work either.
        Firstly, for an attack it is necessary to concentrate carriers in close proximity to the borders of Russia. And any “Burke” in the Black, Baltic or Barents Sea is an object of close observation and escort. A massive start will not work, just will not give. Drown.
        The attack from the Pacific Ocean, although possible but not effective. There, only Svobodny-18, Ukrainka, and the Pacific Fleet base are hit. Which of course is not nice, but not critical in a global nuclear war. For the answer will be vigorous and here again, everyone understands everything.
        So, the size of the territory matters. This is not a nightmare for Libya.
        1. Magellan
          Magellan 10 October 2013 09: 59 New
          +4
          Quote: tungus
          What happens if the "invincible warriors of the world" try to use the CD against the enemy of their weight category?

          Nuclear war

          As for the hypothetically possible “tomahawks” attack of “poplars”, the question arises: where will the missiles be launched from?
          That's bullshit.
          Tomahawk - tactical missile for local wars

          And the attacked countries themselves did not have the strength and means to retaliate against the carriers of the Tomahawks.
          It's useless
          There is no need for Tomahawks to come close to the coast of the enemy.
          Ax flight range - more than 1500 km
          1. Rus2012
            10 October 2013 17: 04 New
            -1
            Quote: Magellan
            Tomahawk - tactical missile for local wars

            Not quite so ...
            According to our Politburo doctrine, analogues of the X-55 SKR ax with the nuclear warhead were supposed to "clean" the remnants of the foci of a potential enemy. Remaining after the impact of the first wave (ICBM). When the air defense is suppressed and Tupolev nothing threatens.
      7. v.lyamkin
        v.lyamkin 10 October 2013 10: 22 New
        +1
        Probably no one will say anything bad about stealth. But you must admit, they know where to fly. And such low combat frauds are connected with this as well.
        1. maxbrov74
          maxbrov74 10 October 2013 23: 17 New
          +1
          Low combat losses are associated with an incomparable level of enemy potential.
      8. Evgeniy-111
        Evgeniy-111 10 October 2013 12: 27 New
        0
        There is only one way (God forbid!) Is to check everything!
        In the meantime, that's all - verbal exile.
      9. a52333
        a52333 10 October 2013 12: 31 New
        +1
        you, somehow, have lagged behind. Catch up
      10. Denis
        Denis 10 October 2013 14: 43 New
        0
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        For example?
        And freedom with boobs will be somehow more interesting
      11. Heccrbq .2
        Heccrbq .2 10 October 2013 23: 05 New
        -2
        in fact, the equal result of the minuses and pluses of your comment is a very significant result of the patriotism cheers on objectivity.
        1. maxbrov74
          maxbrov74 10 October 2013 23: 18 New
          +1
          Excuse me, is objectivity you?
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 10 October 2013 08: 16 New
      +4
      Against trains? Trains are generally relatively easy to hit, it’s difficult to pinpoint them. It would have been necessary to target all meat cars for prevention (5 couplings, to be exact).
  2. alexng
    alexng 10 October 2013 06: 35 New
    +8
    Tomahawk is an open architecture platform


    And this means that these externally controlled discs are absolutely not protected from external influences on this open architecture ... hi
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 10 October 2013 12: 13 New
      0
      Quote: alexneg
      Tomahawk is an open architecture platform


      And this means that these externally controlled discs are absolutely not protected from external influences on this open architecture ... hi


      The architecture of the construction is open, which means that any block in the system can be replaced by any other without a fundamental rebuild of the device. And what you are talking about is the lack of an electromagnetic screen, which of course is not so in reality.
      1. alexng
        alexng 10 October 2013 23: 58 New
        +2
        What you wrote is called the TEZ (Standard Replacement Element). Open architecture is a system with external control and access. Such systems are protected by the complication of exchange protocols, but this is not a panacea for people who know its hardware component, but just another loophole for ... To make it clear what is being said, I’ll tell you a real story. A friend of mine, in order to show the vulnerability of modern systems, wrote machine code (internal program code, i.e. hardware programming language) for network and other processor devices. For clarity, a snake was selected that moved around the monitor screen and, reaching the edge of the screen, its head appeared on the monitor of another computer connected to the network, and so on across all computers regardless of the operating system on these computers (Unix, OS / 2, Windows, etc.). Here the hardware internal protocol of exchange was important, but not the external transport.
        At one time, Saakashvili unknowingly made a present for Russia in the war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, when his brave Georgian soldiers abandoned Amer’s Hammers with electronic stuffing working with satellites through a closed communication channel. And now, in order to change something for the Americans in their control system, they need to replace almost the entire satellite constellation in space, and all so that their pieces of iron now become actually invulnerable. Somewhere in a nutshell.
  3. Alikovo
    Alikovo 10 October 2013 06: 55 New
    -2
    one physicist at the end of the 20th century wrote that tomahawks can be fooled with a microwave oven, by putting on the back so that the radiation attracted to yourself in unnecessary places.
    1. denssss
      denssss 10 October 2013 07: 15 New
      +4
      probably not tomahawks, but anti-radar missiles?
  4. Sunjar
    Sunjar 10 October 2013 07: 18 New
    0
    Everyone always praises their achievements. I hope that in fact you won’t have to check whether the “Axes” can easily reach the intended objects.
  5. Vitali-46
    Vitali-46 10 October 2013 07: 51 New
    -1
    Peace be to your home, Gentlemen !!! I am certainly not special, in this matter ... BUT! Knowing the false ponovity of the Amers .... Well, you understand !! And even more so! If we are able to detect missile launches in the Mediterranean Sea, then what can I say about our borders !!!


    Regards to you!
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 10 October 2013 09: 34 New
      -6
      Quote: Vitaliy-46
      I'm certainly not special in this matter.

      if not special then why troll? ... write where you know things
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 10 October 2013 14: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Vitaliy-46
      If we are able to detect missile launches in the Mediterranean, then what can we say about our borders !!!

      a ballistic missile and a cruise missile are not the same thing ...
  6. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 10 October 2013 08: 02 New
    +4
    Can they really open and destroy the entire defense and control system at the same time? Here you are not here. Comparing Russia with Yugoslavia is very naive. Even if the impossible is assumed and someone succeeds in neutralizing 80 percent of our defense structure, there will be more than enough steel 20% to turn the territory of the aggressor into a radioactive desert.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 10 October 2013 08: 20 New
      +1
      Not the entire system — but control units (points) (not PU missiles themselves), + the command transfer structure. This is the theory of their disarming, preemptive strike by hypersonic missiles (non-nuclear).
      Shurygin spoke well about this, though for a long time, our task is not to allow them to do this, but how? Or stop hypersonic missiles, or how?
      1. Rus2012
        10 October 2013 17: 08 New
        0
        Quote: mirag2
        Or stop hypersonic rockets, or what?

        Destroy launch vehicles ...
        Preventive strike ...
      2. maxbrov74
        maxbrov74 10 October 2013 23: 21 New
        +1
        This is again from the field of "prosralipolymers"
  7. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 10 October 2013 08: 11 New
    +1
    Good Whistlers !!! striped
  8. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 10 October 2013 08: 19 New
    +4
    It’s unlikely that “Poplars” rode and ride without cover ... There, even squirrels are trained to bite saboteurs, and cuckoos to shoot down aircraft ... hi
  9. saag
    saag 10 October 2013 08: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: alexneg
    Tomahawk is an open architecture platform


    And this means that these externally controlled discs are absolutely not protected from external influences on this open architecture ... hi

    never underestimate the enemy
    1. borisjdin1957
      borisjdin1957 10 October 2013 08: 41 New
      +1
      from the Don.
      But also overestimate, as with SOI!
  10. major071
    major071 10 October 2013 08: 41 New
    +6
    No need to panic! hi Let them write what they want. negative I am firmly convinced that our missile defense system will deal with Axes. If only they invested more money. soldier
  11. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 10 October 2013 08: 50 New
    +2
    Something I "have vague doubts" when they frightened the USSR with the SDI wars, now "perfect axes". Firstly, the tomahawk must be flown unhindered, mobile TOPOLs are not defenseless, and secondly, it is somehow necessary to “save your face”, apparently they really pinned them! Yes, and they are unlikely to dare, the retaliatory strike is inevitable and perhaps even more powerful.
  12. HAM
    HAM 10 October 2013 09: 01 New
    +3
    And what prevents them from blinding guidance satellites and tomahawks will turn into real axes.
  13. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 10 October 2013 09: 04 New
    0
    The ESM includes a processor and antenna for detecting and tracking radio-emitting stationary and moving targets.

    Those. these axes are aimed at missile defense and air defense systems. Against "Topol" and others should be with different principles of guidance. Although honestly quite effective product. It remains to hope for our missile defense and develop it, as well as means of destruction of carriers.
  14. nelson
    nelson 10 October 2013 09: 22 New
    0
    Key phrase, in my opinion: “This new opportunity will enable a cruise missile to hit moving ground targets. We believe that the work done allows us to increase the combat effectiveness of the Kyrgyz Republic with reasonable costs. ” Amid the crisis and the inability to create new systems, Americans are touting an attempt to remake old ones.
    Hungry godfather Fox climbed into the garden;
    In it the grapes of the brush were held.
    At the cinque, eyes and teeth were inflamed;
    And the brushes are lush, like sapphires, burning;
    Only trouble, they hang high:
    Wherever she goes to them,
    Though he sees the eye,
    Yes, tooth noumet.
    Having made it through the whole hour,
    I went and said with vexation: "Well then!
    At a glance, he is good,
    Yes, green - no mature berries:
    Immediately you’ll nag your mouth. "
  15. theadenter
    theadenter 10 October 2013 09: 36 New
    +2
    I am pretty sure that the United States knows the location of almost every mobile nuclear weapon complex in Russia.
    It is more difficult to track submarines and trains. And to protect facilities with nuclear weapons, you need more quantitative missile defense systems!
    1. Rus2012
      10 October 2013 17: 12 New
      0
      Quote: theadenter
      I am pretty sure that the United States knows the location of almost every mobile nuclear weapon complex in Russia.

      Where does this confidence come from, colleague? :)))
      Even if their satellite imagery decryptors do not give 50% guarantee?
      Moreover, in peacetime, PGRK go only along training routes ...
      And in a threatening period - they will crawl out exhibiting many false models, go find the wind in the field ...
      1. maxbrov74
        maxbrov74 10 October 2013 23: 24 New
        +1
        He probably just tried to merge the Old himself, or helped.
  16. commentor
    commentor 10 October 2013 09: 41 New
    -2
    The site has become a urapatriotic bedlam. Waiting for cons, thanks.
    1. theadenter
      theadenter 10 October 2013 09: 58 New
      +2
      Even if this is so, then it is certainly better than schizophrenia
      Believe me, it is better to fight knowing that we will win than to fight knowing that we will lose.
      1. commentor
        commentor 10 October 2013 10: 24 New
        0
        Is schizophrenia of urapatriota better than schizophrenia of an oppogolic?
        Believe me, it's better not to fight. This is possible provided that there is symmetry in the balance of arms.

        Tomahawks is a strong bias not in our direction. In fact, these are medium-range missiles that we do not have.
        1. tungus
          tungus 10 October 2013 11: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: commentor
          Tomahawks is a strong bias not in our direction. In fact, these are medium-range missiles that we do not have.

          There are no Tomahawks, but there is X-55, X-555, X-101, X-102. And the range of our missiles will be greater than that of the axes.
        2. maxbrov74
          maxbrov74 10 October 2013 23: 27 New
          0
          Do you, I see, also have a shortage of polymers?
    2. maxbrov74
      maxbrov74 10 October 2013 23: 25 New
      +1
      To health. Everyone has the right to a personal opinion. And you including.
  17. Semurg
    Semurg 10 October 2013 09: 43 New
    +1
    Not long ago they wrote that a tracking station detected the launch of two missiles in the Mediterranean, and the mass launch of axes probably also would not go unnoticed. this type of weapon is probably not dangerous for Russia if all tracking stations are introduced.
  18. MsRedMaster
    MsRedMaster 10 October 2013 10: 05 New
    +5
    When the officers served in Teykovo, the officers told us that the Strategic Missile Forces were “last strike” troops!
    And yes, in fact, Americans also know about finding installations, etc. They even came to us during my service. Type to check whether we violate the IOS.
    However, I can say for sure that one should not be afraid of tomahawks, but of a lack of intelligence data. For if the attack is unexpected, it will be shitty for us, but if not, it will be something like this:
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/979/abni624.jpg
    1. Rus2012
      10 October 2013 17: 24 New
      0
      Quote: MsRedMaster
      Strategic Rocket Forces are the troops of the "last blow"!

      Not much is wrong, it’s rather a “disposable syringe”, but he is more than instructive and without use.
      As for, they know the places of the PPD, well, God bless them. If necessary, they will crawl out onto field BSPs, if they do not have time, they will insert from Krona with the RPM ...
  19. Storm
    Storm 10 October 2013 10: 12 New
    +1
    In my understanding, since there is a radiation detection station on this "tomahawk", it is designed to destroy air defense systems and radar (radio-emitting means), including mobile ones, is that not the point of completion? And then, “Poplar”? This modification (block 4) could initially receive new coordinates of the target in flight - this is dangerous for Topol, and not ESM. We need good electronic warfare equipment that can jam satellite communication channels through which the "axes" receive data and control commands. But here a lot of questions arise on EMC with its equipment.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 10 October 2013 11: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Sturm
      But here a lot of questions arise on EMC with its equipment.

      For most ordinary people who have a superficial understanding of electronic warfare, the term electromagnetic compatibility is generally the "reverse side of the moon."
      Quote: Sturm
      We need good electronic warfare equipment that can jam satellite communication channels through which the "axes" receive data and control commands.

      Currently, inertial navigation systems have stepped forward both in terms of accuracy and in terms of miniaturization. As an example, the recent news about the creation of a micro-NMR gyroscope by Northrop Grumman the size of a quarter dollar coin. In addition, interfering with the optical guidance channel is more than difficult. Already in what, in what, and in the creation of multi-mode USGS ahead of the rest of the planet.
      1. Storm
        Storm 10 October 2013 11: 43 New
        +2
        Yes, all this makes the task difficult. But we have no choice. Either we will solve it, and thereby make our life more calm and confident, or we will give reason to think to our "partners" that sooner or later they will be able to snare us.
        In any case, there is no simple solution; a set of measures is needed.
      2. Rus2012
        10 October 2013 17: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: Nayhas
        For most ordinary people who have a superficial understanding of electronic warfare, the term electromagnetic compatibility is generally the "reverse side of the moon."

        And if you have an idea, what did you mean by that?
      3. Rus2012
        10 October 2013 17: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Nayhas
        In addition, interfering with the optical guidance channel is more than difficult. Already in what, in what, and in the creation of multi-mode USGS ahead of the rest of the planet.

        ... let them while they train to intercept our ancient "Scuds." Not very well for them ...
  20. tungus
    tungus 10 October 2013 11: 09 New
    +2
    Quote: commentor
    Is schizophrenia of urapatriota better than schizophrenia of an oppogolic?
    Believe me, it's better not to fight. This is possible provided that there is symmetry in the balance of arms.

    Tomahawks is a strong bias not in our direction. In fact, these are medium-range missiles that we do not have.

    There are no Tomahawks, but there are analogues. X-55 for example. And also X-555, X-101, X-102. By the way, our missiles are superior to the Tomahawks in flight range.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 10 October 2013 11: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: tungus
      but there are analogues. X-55 for example. And also X-555, X-101, X-102. By the way, our missiles are superior to the Tomahawks in flight range.

      still with carriers to solve a problem ...
    2. Storm
      Storm 10 October 2013 11: 30 New
      +2
      It's a pity they are not enough with us. And they are located mainly on air carriers. Amers have aviation, ships, submarines. This is behind.
      But this is not the main thing. The main thing to understand - and for what purposes and in what quantity do we need them?
  21. Growler
    Growler 10 October 2013 12: 32 New
    -1
    These positions began to hide behind. "Shells", the killers of "Axes"

    If these "the killers" could effectively deal with the Tomahawks - they would not have a price ...
    Watch the video 24: 17-26: 01

    And a completely different result for MANTIS
    1. Nitup
      Nitup 10 October 2013 13: 30 New
      0
      Quote: Growler
      And a completely different result from MANTIS

      In this video it’s not clear what exactly this drone fell from
      1. Growler
        Growler 10 October 2013 13: 57 New
        -1
        Quote: Nitup
        Quote: Growler
        And a completely different result from MANTIS

        In this video it’s not clear what exactly this drone fell from

        Knocks down a mortar ...
        Watch 0:58 and 2:07
        1. Rus2012
          10 October 2013 17: 45 New
          -1
          Quote: Growler
          Quote: Nitup
          Quote: Growler
          And a completely different result from MANTIS

          In this video it’s not clear what exactly this drone fell from

          Knocks down a mortar ...

          Well, what's the catch?
          Fenders from Strel and Eagle are training to shoot down Katyusha rockets. And an active tank protection system destroys everything flying into it - shells, RPGs ...
          Everyone knows that the Shell is imprisoned under an ax. And he demonstrated it many times. Including in the Arctic.
          And axes can destroy both ZU-23 and Shilka, especially the latest versions of 4m4 - http://www.arms-expo.ru/049051049051124052052051049.html
          The last time in Tagil they showed it ...
          1. Growler
            Growler 10 October 2013 17: 56 New
            -1
            Quote: Rus2012
            Quote: Growler
            Quote: Nitup
            Quote: Growler
            And a completely different result from MANTIS

            In this video it’s not clear what exactly this drone fell from

            Knocks down a mortar ...

            Well, what's the catch?
            Fenders from Strel and Eagle are training to shoot down Katyusha rockets. And an active tank protection system destroys everything flying into it - shells, RPGs ...
            Everyone knows that the Shell is imprisoned under an ax. And he demonstrated it many times. Including in the Arctic.
            And axes can destroy both ZU-23 and Shilka, especially the latest versions of 4m4 - http://www.arms-expo.ru/049051049051124052052051049.html
            The last time in Tagil they showed it ...

            Watch my video about the "Shell", and much will become clearer to you.
          2. Growler
            Growler 10 October 2013 18: 25 New
            -1
            Quote: Rus2012
            Quote: Growler
            Quote: Nitup
            Quote: Growler
            And a completely different result from MANTIS

            In this video it’s not clear what exactly this drone fell from

            Knocks down a mortar ...

            Well, what's the catch?
            Fenders from Strel and Eagle are training to shoot down Katyusha rockets. And an active tank protection system destroys everything flying into it - shells, RPGs ...
            Everyone knows that the Shell is imprisoned under an ax. And he demonstrated it many times. Including in the Arctic.
            And axes can destroy both ZU-23 and Shilka, especially the latest versions of 4m4 - http://www.arms-expo.ru/049051049051124052052051049.html
            The last time in Tagil they showed it ...

            Nitup doubted that the MANTIS would be able to shoot down a drone, which is larger than a mortar mine.
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  23. mikkado31
    mikkado31 10 October 2013 18: 34 New
    -4
    All is correct. Each Poplar has its own Tomahawk. Native American Indian Wisdom (c)
    1. maxbrov74
      maxbrov74 10 October 2013 23: 35 New
      +1
      My friend, each of your staff will come down. Poplars fly faster.
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 11 October 2013 00: 46 New
        0
        In principle, what else to expect from a person with a portrait of Beria on an avatar against the background of the Russian tricolor