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Asterisk will repair Bratsk and Samara nuclear submarines

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According to the web resource flotprom.ru, the Severodvinsk Ship Repair Center Zvyozdochka OJSC will accept Pacific submarines for repair in July-August 2014 fleet K-391 "Bratsk" and K-295 "Samara" project 971.


Submarines have to undergo medium repair and deep modernization. Pacific submarines will be transferred to Severodvinsk by the Northern Sea Route.

In March, 2013 of the year, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu visited the Northeast Repair Center in Vilyuchinsk (Kamchatka), where the submarine Bratsk is under repair, and expressed dissatisfaction with the progress of work for which the 2008 has been allocated since 250. million rubles At that time, the plant carried out only an inventory of work, while the Bratsk was supposed to go on the sea trials back in December 2012. As a result, they decided to repair and upgrade the boat at another factory.

Our blog has already reported about the epic with the repair of the nuclear submarine "Bratsk".

Asterisk will repair Bratsk and Samara nuclear submarines

Atomic multipurpose submarine K-295 "Samara" 971 project in Vilyuchinsk
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  1. Quiet
    Quiet 9 October 2013 10: 53 New
    14
    And you don’t notice that the acceleration in solving defense problems has begun ???
    It is like a snowball rolling down a mountain, gaining mass and speed. Not easy. Such a rush is really going serious preparation for war (God forbid) ..... no
    1. Xroft
      Xroft 9 October 2013 11: 02 New
      30
      The normal functioning of the country's defense complex has begun, when half-dead boats are docked, is this normal? that's when everything will be renovated in working order, with modern electronics and new technical innovations. It will be possible to say that we have returned to the 80s of the USSR and are beginning to return the lost.
      1. Fin
        Fin 9 October 2013 11: 40 New
        +7
        Quote: Xroft
        The normal functioning of the country's defense complex began,

        One "Asterisk" can not cope. There, in my opinion, there are already about five in repair and waiting for it. Roller clarify the situation.
        According to the web resource flotprom.ru, the Severodvinsk Ship Repair Center Zvyozdochka OJSC in July-August 2014 will accept the repair of nuclear submarines of the Pacific Fleet K-391 "Bratsk" and K-295 "Samara" of project 971.

        And this indicates a loss of repair capabilities for submarines in the Far East. There is no need to talk about the construction.
      2. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 9 October 2013 11: 54 New
        +8
        The normal functioning of the country's defense complex has begun, when half-dead boats are docked, is this normal? that's when everything will be renovated in working order, with modern electronics and new technical innovations. It will be possible to say that we have returned to the 80s of the USSR and are beginning to return the lost.




        What is normal in that submarines cannot be repaired in the CTOF operational area of ​​responsibility? You cannot plug all holes with one Asterisk. In peacetime, this number will still pass. And if the number of submarines requiring repair increases, or you need to carry out unscheduled repairs drive through the Northern Sea Route?
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 9 October 2013 16: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: gunnerminer
          What is normal in that submarines cannot be repaired in the CTOF operational responsibility area?

          These nuclear submarines also require reloading of nuclear weapons. Specifically, for this project, this event presents certain difficulties. Yes, and a major upgrade is planned. And the concept of "plant" is not only machines and workshops, but also PEOPLE of sufficient qualifications. There are many who want to go to Vilyuchinsk now? The plant there must be restored, not a question. But the nuclear submarines in service and ready for use are needed NOW, there is no time to wait for the revival of the plant
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 9 October 2013 20: 05 New
            +1
            And the concept of "plant" is not only machines and workshops, but also PEOPLE of sufficient qualifications.


            I agree with you.
      3. Realist58
        Realist58 9 October 2013 19: 00 New
        +4
        That's when the oligarchs and their sixes begin to work in the Norillag, then we can say that we returned to the 80s and began to correct mistakes.
      4. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 10 October 2013 03: 57 New
        +4
        about normal functioning, it’s you who bent you hotly, Nicherta is not normal, somehow you are trying to at least do something ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 October 2013 11: 05 New
      13
      Quote: Quiet
      And you don’t notice that the acceleration in solving defense problems has begun ??

      Note that if the repair does not occur in five years, as before, but at least in a year.
      1. Romn
        Romn 9 October 2013 11: 36 New
        +2
        In mymu, just the normal leader of our military-industrial complex and army appeared, is starting to put things in order!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 October 2013 11: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: Romn
          In mymo, just the normal leader of our military-industrial complex and army appeared

          Are you talking about Putin now?
          1. Romn
            Romn 9 October 2013 12: 39 New
            0
            No, about Shoigu! And about the order in all branches, then everything has its time, nothing happens at once!
            1. Realist58
              Realist58 9 October 2013 19: 05 New
              0
              Do you know folk wisdom?
              "The fish rots from the head"
              1. Nitup
                Nitup 9 October 2013 20: 56 New
                +4
                Quote: Realist58
                Do you know folk wisdom?
                "The fish rots from the head"

                And if the fish was already rotten, when did they attach a new head to it?
                1. Realist58
                  Realist58 9 October 2013 21: 09 New
                  0
                  Quote: Nitup
                  And if the fish was already rotten, when did they attach a new head to it?

                  The fish is quite fresh. But for the place of one rotten head, they attached another.
                  And so several times in a row.
                  1. Nitup
                    Nitup 9 October 2013 21: 16 New
                    +2
                    You want to say that the entire bureaucracy in the early 2000s was "quite fresh"?
                    1. Realist58
                      Realist58 10 October 2013 22: 53 New
                      0
                      Actually, by fish, I meant PEOPLE.
        2. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 9 October 2013 12: 00 New
          +2
          In mymu, just the normal leader of our military-industrial complex and army appeared, is starting to put things in order!




          And where in shipbuilding and ship repair he put things in order?
        3. shpuntik
          shpuntik 9 October 2013 19: 22 New
          +1
          Colonel
          Romn RU Today, 11:36 ↑
          By moymu just a normal leader in our military-industrial complex and army appeared, begins to clean up!

          Baida all this, "Odessa noise". Shoigu instead of changing the leadership of the SRH, waited 6 years, arrived and took the children’s bread.

          This means khan to the enterprise and the base itself in the future. They promised to deliver a floating nuclear power plant, they are now building on Balta. They refused Vilyuchinsk, they transfer boiler houses to gas. This means there will be no prospects, since e / energy from nuclear power plants cannot be mastered. "Vespiary"? There, in Vilyuchinsk, there was the latest equipment at the time of the collapse of the USSR, the Shark was getting repaired. And how will the Boreas be there? What are they doing?
          Further. I could repair the NPS in Komsomolsk, they didn’t allow me to earn, they strangle me.
          In the Big Stone they could, on the "Star". What else? What questions?
          Lieutenant colonel
          Fin RU Today, 11:40 ↑
          One "Asterisk" can not cope. There, in my opinion, there are already about five in repair and waiting for it. Clip clarify the situation.
          1. Fin
            Fin 9 October 2013 19: 50 New
            +2
            Quote: shpuntik
            I could repair the NPS in Komsomolsk, they didn’t allow me to earn, they strangle me.
            In the Big Stone they could, on the "Star". What else? What questions?

            They are in the same office - USC are included. Boats on the Far East were built. Why strangle, why? Share the information.
            1. shpuntik
              shpuntik 9 October 2013 20: 19 New
              0
              Fin RU Today, 19:50 ↑ New
              They are in the same office - USC are included. Boats on the Far East were built. Why strangle, why? Share the information.

              Why strangle I do not know, I can only guess ... What does the USC have to do with it? You mean: the profit is not going anywhere from the company? So it's not about profit. PF needed or not, and which? Judging by the arrival of new ships, it’s not very. This is where dying plants fit in. Where is the result?
              NEA was built specifically for the Pacific Fleet. Also, "Star", SRH in Vilyuchinsk.
              You can leave the backbone of workers, but orders cannot be transferred all to the European part. The NEA could build a part of Varshavyanka for Vietnam, they would share it with the Admiral and that’s all. This is his profile. The first "Warsaw" at the NEA made. And closer to Vietnam. yes
          2. Wachels
            Wachels 10 October 2013 06: 56 New
            +2
            About the "Shark" that was being repaired in Vilyuchinsk-nonsense. They were all six in the north. But Shoigu, what did six years ago have to do with the management of shipyards to remove them from their posts, like ??? But what is the state of industry in the country, such a disloyalty and a fleet. All sad is of course.
            1. shpuntik
              shpuntik 10 October 2013 10: 17 New
              0
              W RU Today, 06:56 ↑ New
              About the "Shark" that was being repaired in Vilyuchinsk-nonsense. They were all six in the north.

              Why nonsense? Could not come in once, if necessary? My classmate from Vilyuchinsk buzzed all my ears that the “Shark" was coming in. It was, somewhere in 90-92. Maybe he beguiled for his youth in 971, etc., according to the American class, and she is the same "Shark." I went to the site of the enterprise: specialization in pr. 949, 971. Perhaps you are right.
              But Shoigu, what did six years ago have to do with the management of shipyards to remove them from their posts, like ???

              Well, I don’t agree here ... And what does it have to do with "free" defect detection and inventory? What kind of Dartanyan has appeared suddenly? Relative rescuer? By "Shoigu" I mean all this Caudle, that deck in which he is. As I understand it, the submarines were set up for repair by Serdyukov. Yes, and who set Serdyukov ??? I know that people at the factory are military, they won’t do anything without a team. So they did not give money for repairs, there was a stop of the process, the director was waiting for a solution, etc. Who should directors control? Why did they endure it for 6 years? Is he a random person, some kind of pimp or furniture maker? They showed promotion on channel 1, thanks, we found out the truth.
              1. Wachels
                Wachels 11 October 2013 03: 24 New
                +1
                Well, a classmate imagined stopudovo. "Shark" project 941., combat duty zone sowing. Atlantic. And pr.949 is real, because it’s of the type “Antey” (Kursk of the same type) and these SSBNs are in Vilyuchinsk (Omsk, Tomsk-burning on the Star). Well, according to Shoigu, he dumped everything in a heap. For six years, money ... left for this boat as a complete repair. Shoigu came and blew up the factory. First, they make the mechanism’s shortcomings, make an estimate of the repair, the cost of the proposed repair is born, the coordination is different and the financing, and the unit is put into repair. And everything was done through the ass. (I have nothing to do with the Navy and ship repair). But there are no wizards among ministerial heads, really. If in your opinion, argue with examples.
                1. shpuntik
                  shpuntik 11 October 2013 04: 01 New
                  0
                  W RU Today, 03:24 ↑ New
                  Well, a classmate imagined stopudovo. "Shark" project 941., combat duty zone sowing. Atlantic.

                  Not sure what imagined. He talked about Kamaz unfolding on the deck, for a long time it was ... Maybe he lied, embellished? It became interesting even, I want to understand. Ask a person from this factory who worked at that time.
                  The fact that 941 were built in Severodvinsk, that the biggest boathouse is familiar. It is not clear to me why they could not be on duty in the Pacific, at least one. What is in the way? How accurate is infa that they were all on duty in the Atlantic? It happens that during a trip something breaks, they wind it around a screw. Could it be that the 941 went unscheduled, or not? If not, what is confidence based on? Have you served on 941?
                  As for Shoigu: my opinion is no longer change-PR company, statements for the plebs. Found a reason for closing the company. A bad signal will not develop the base, only reduce it. It's my personal opinion.
                  First, they make a gearing of the mechanisms, make an estimate of the repair,
                  Of course, it’s familiar: a technologist is going with a master, a technologist is writing a document. But all this is included in the price. It will take three months before work begins, and people need to pay salaries. What Shoigu says: do it at your own expense. That's bullshit.
                  For six years, money ... left for this boat as a complete repair.

                  Not ... gone, but just eaten. 250 million / 6 years = 41 million rubles. / 12 months. = 3 mil. 417 thousand rubles per month. This is not such a big money-salary and can be replaced. But you did not say why you waited 6 years? I think you also do not know the answer to this question. As one acquaintance used to say: "Only the wind knows the answer." By the way, how is Petropavlovsk doing? My native city, I studied at the Bursa -PKMU. hi
                  As for the "wizards of ministers," this is not even discussed. My opinion: Far East do not want to develop, as in the Union. On the contrary, close.
                  1. Wachels
                    Wachels 12 October 2013 03: 32 New
                    +1
                    A theme without edges, of course. What did you say about PKMU? When and in which department? Bursa is now a university and not only maritime specialization. Peter is being improved a bit, by the way, the Spartak stadium was demolished this summer, the new one will be right at the edge of Kultuchny Lake, where the pressure pipes went out. The fleet was destroyed, and Akros and the collective farm of Lenin remained from the offices. I worked in the Utrf in the eighties, there were only recollections from the cargo fleet, yes, I forgot, Oceanrebflot still holds on, they finish off the super, but there are no ship updates. Corruption is stifling everything from construction to the fleet,
                    1. shpuntik
                      shpuntik 12 October 2013 05: 41 New
                      0
                      W RU Today, 03:32 ↑
                      A theme without edges, of course. What did you say about PKMU? When and in which department?

                      Ship mechanics, 1988-1993 And, judging by the syllable-navigator, are you? wassat
                      I worked in the Utrf in the eighties, there were only memories from the transflot,

                      I was there when everything fell apart: STR "Sopochnoe", "Semigorsk", "Clean".
                      Then he left with Peter. Now the same in St. Petersburg laughing .
                      The ocean fish fleet is still holding, they are finishing off the super, but there are no ship updates.
                      Here, and you say Shoigu will save us with GDP-Chip and Dale are in a hurry to help fellow During this time, Busan took a break: "Mom Do Not Cry," I watched photos of the city on their TV tower-village by village. For 15 years, since the 90s, they have rebuffed a new city.
                      Corruption is stifling everything from construction to the fleet,

                      Yes, here she’s not only “dear”, here is a cartel conspiracy negative He worked in a mixed carriage: once with Primorye, the other with Sakhalin, we still paid, and they had an agreement in the companies — no more than 1000 bucks for a sailor a month, plus or minus a tram stop. So, I had to leave the seas.
                      Okay, thanks for the info, glad the fellow countryman on the site, good luck! drinks
                      1. Wachels
                        Wachels 12 October 2013 12: 56 New
                        +1
                        And good luck in business and in the country. "Zenit is a champion!"
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 9 October 2013 13: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Note that if the repair does not occur in five years, as before, but at least in a year.

        Good afternoon, Alexander!
        Submarines have to undergo medium repairs and deep modernization.

        The article says. And this is a minimum of 3 years, and even then, if the subcontractors will strictly supply components and assemblies on schedule. And the situation in the industry ... A colleague Leonid (nickname lablizn) below the site spoke very competently about it. So, if the situation does not change to 180 * another unfinished building awaits us.
        But this is not the main thing. The main thing is that these boats will need to be replaced with something. If there are no new ones, then northerners will go to their place. And it’s always a nuisance: a new theater, navigation, housing, provision, communications, contacts, etc. It will remain as always: through thorns to the stars!
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 9 October 2013 11: 07 New
      +3
      God will not betray, the pig will not eat. laughing But I also think so, for good reason this movement.
    4. marder4
      marder4 9 October 2013 11: 26 New
      +1
      there is such a feeling (((
    5. AVV
      AVV 9 October 2013 12: 39 New
      +1
      And such enterprises as in Kamchatka should be transferred under competitive management, or they should be turned over to other organizations, or such a plant should be reorganized, and local managers should be driven with a broom, the enterprise should be checked for the targeted spending of allocated funds, the status of the enterprise should be lowered, and all orders should be taken !!! to cut, one furniture maker was enough !!! They won’t put him in any way!
    6. Volkolak
      Volkolak 9 October 2013 12: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Quiet
      And you don’t notice that the acceleration in solving defense problems has begun ???

      Only a huge drank of budget funds is noticed, and single copies with the prefix "having no analogues in the world." Yes, and even Serdyukov’s erysipelas, on which they can’t sew the case.
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 9 October 2013 13: 04 New
        0
        Only a huge drank of budgetary funds is noted, and single copies with the prefix "having no analogues in the world." Yes, and even Serdyukov’s erysipelas, on which they can’t sew the case.



        + 10!
    7. shark
      shark 9 October 2013 13: 09 New
      0
      Tipun to your tongue. Do not bring the Lord. Not ready yet ....
    8. sub307
      sub307 9 October 2013 13: 54 New
      +6
      The armed forces, the Navy in particular, I think so, should be engaged in this "from dawn until the next dawn" only and should be engaged in that - preparation for war. And it is highly advisable to do this - to prepare for war in peacetime, there simply are no other options, based on modern ideas about conducting full-scale hostilities. But what do you consider acceleration? Sending two nuclear submarines for repair to Zvyozdochka on the occasion of the "weakness" of S-VRTS OJSC, which was supposed to be done "yesterday". This is not acceleration yet, but simply an attempt not to stay “completely naked with stern food”. One could speak of “acceleration” when the pace of launching new ships and maintaining the readiness of existing ships reached at least that of the Soviet period.
    9. clidon
      clidon 9 October 2013 17: 23 New
      +3
      Such a rush is primarily due to the fact that time does not stand still and if nothing is done, our aircraft will remain without a crew at all. Comfort yourself with the fact that 40-year-old ships are still "huge!" Of course you can, but it will help little in a real battle.
    10. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 9 October 2013 19: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Quiet
      And you don’t notice that the acceleration in solving defense problems has begun ???


      It’s still not enough - the aircraft needs more helicopters and airplanes, and the fleet needs new ships and developed infrastructure.
    11. Nitup
      Nitup 9 October 2013 20: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Quiet
      Such a rush is really going serious preparation for war (God forbid) .....

      Now, if you don’t prepare, war cannot be avoided
    12. Roman_999
      Roman_999 9 October 2013 21: 00 New
      0
      Yes, there is such a feeling, and when there are a lot of weapons, they begin to rattle, and can break out due to any trifle. The only interesting thing is whether China will act on the promises of the West and take part in nibbling pieces of cake from Russia or whether he has his own plans on the territorial theme of Russia.
      If China secretly agreed with the West, then we have a serious problem, a very serious one.
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 9 October 2013 21: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Roman_999
        If China secretly agreed with the West, then we have a serious problem, a very serious one.

        I don’t think China now needs to start a war with us. All these nonsense about aggressive China and about its overpopulation - from the evil one. Now, if we stop selling resources to the Chinese, then the West can whisper in their ears that, let’s say, take resources by force. And we will not notice anything and will stand aside. But for this, the United States needs the leadership of Russia to be their puppet, which, under any pretext, stop deliveries to China. China attacks Russia, Russia begins to fight back, a large-scale war ensues in which both of its main rivals are weakened, then the United States enters the war at the end and defeats everyone. This is one of their plans for the 21st century. Therefore, in no case should any Bulk come to power with us.
      2. 31231
        31231 9 October 2013 21: 44 New
        0
        The Chinese have, and weaker neighbors, whose territory can be squeezed out. Plus in the territory of these countries a very large number of ethnic Chinese.
        1. Nitup
          Nitup 9 October 2013 23: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: 31231
          The Chinese have, and weaker neighbors, whose territory can be squeezed out. Plus in the territory of these countries a very large number of ethnic Chinese.

          For the weaker neighbors, the States can fit in, thereby pushing China to go against us
      3. clidon
        clidon 9 October 2013 22: 13 New
        0
        So far, China has the number one problem and it is called - Taiwan. There is a problem number two - Japan. There are three - Vietnam. And all this against the backdrop of US interests in the region.
        On the other hand, as the forces build up, the Celestial Empire may begin to increase “soft” military-political pressure on us, as if hinting that it’s better to be friends (cheaper gas, technology, better relations with foreign migrants) than trying to behave “not according to neighborly. "
    13. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 9 October 2013 22: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Quiet
      Not easy. Such a rush is really going serious preparation for war (God forbid) ..... no


      This is not preparation, but a catch-up game. We were very lucky that America turned out to be such a de-bi l president and matched a de-bi parliament. There is a great chance that they will trample on their own in pursuit of their dreams, but if they agree, then it will be sour to us ...
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 9 October 2013 23: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Geisenberg
        We were very lucky that America had such a de-bi-l president and matched a de-bi parliament. There is a great chance that they will trample on their own in pursuit of their dreams, but if they agree, then it will be sour to us ...

        From the change of presidents, US policy does not change. You just listen to the pearls that Bush Jr. gave out at the time. And do you think this person really ruled the States? And the fact that watered. figures, at least in public, have become smaller - this is a fact.
  2. alone
    alone 9 October 2013 10: 54 New
    +1
    and how many years will it take to repair? and how much money will be spent on this?
    1. tchack
      tchack 9 October 2013 11: 07 New
      +1
      Probably...
    2. sub307
      sub307 9 October 2013 13: 59 New
      +1
      Good question, as the saying goes. I would also add: how much they "steal" from what they spend, based on the realities of the latest history of the Navy.
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 9 October 2013 10: 55 New
    +4
    Damn, dipped drive boats from Kamchatka to Severodvinsk. As I understand it, no one was found guilty in the ICRC?
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 9 October 2013 12: 12 New
      +7
      Quote: Vladimirets
      As I understand it, no one was found guilty in the ICRC?

      Eugene, does this surprise you? I am not. As well as the fact that it is cheaper to overtake boats for repair to the other end of the country than to replace snickering leaders and achieve the efficiency of enterprises in the Far East.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 9 October 2013 13: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: IRBIS
        Eugene, does this surprise you?

        Alexander, the question is crystal rhetorical. recourse
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 9 October 2013 17: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Alexander, the question is crystal rhetorical.

          Well, I asked you so, to maintain a dialogue ... I already know your opinion.
    2. ale-x
      ale-x 9 October 2013 14: 37 New
      +2
      Well, the trouble is that in the country, it seems, there are no people who would be interested in finding and punishing those responsible for disrupting such events.
      "Sadness-sorrow eats me" (C)
  4. experienced
    experienced 9 October 2013 10: 55 New
    +4
    The name is optimistic, and the content is like a tub of cold water on a hot head
    Severodvinsk Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center OJSC in July-August 2014 will accept repair Nuclear submarines of the Pacific Fleet K-391 "Bratsk" and K-295 "Samara" of project 971.
  5. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 9 October 2013 11: 14 New
    +1
    The submarine is our everything.
  6. Vitali-46
    Vitali-46 9 October 2013 11: 38 New
    +8
    Damn, what do you mean Shoigu is not satisfied ???? You can’t solve the problem with one dissatisfaction !!! You need to punish! They gave money? They gave! The work was not completed on time !? Why not? Why ??? .???????????????????????????????

    Regards to you !!
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 9 October 2013 11: 45 New
      +4
      Therefore, our boats are being repaired for years !!

      A mess in the entire defense industry. Management cuts money, puts it in their pockets and hard workers make work for a penny. Moreover, they have the audacity to be surprised that none of the young ones wants to go to them. And he gets away with it for the time being !!!!! am
    2. SPLV
      SPLV 9 October 2013 13: 44 New
      +4
      Well, why so? No need to drive anyone - just put a few. The rest either leave or start working.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 9 October 2013 16: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: SPLV
        The rest either leave, or ...
        ... or already gone. All that remained was the management of the plant, capable of only transferring pieces of paper. Hence the "effectiveness" of repairs in Vilyuchinsk request
        1. Realist58
          Realist58 9 October 2013 19: 15 New
          +1
          Left (or put) only those who know how to roll back and enter.
    3. sub307
      sub307 9 October 2013 14: 01 New
      0
      Your words, yes, "to God’s ears."
  7. rugor
    rugor 9 October 2013 11: 50 New
    +3
    Factories grab orders without hesitation in how to fulfill them. There is no control by the customer either. This is a mass phenomenon.
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 9 October 2013 13: 32 New
      +2
      No control by the customer either

      Now they have taken up military representatives. Sent from M.O. new and they began to scare everyone not childishly !!!!
      1. Realist58
        Realist58 9 October 2013 19: 15 New
        0
        Can I have some examples?
        1. Quiet
          Quiet 9 October 2013 21: 57 New
          0
          Can I have some examples?

          Alas !! hi Only after retirement !!!! request
    2. ale-x
      ale-x 9 October 2013 14: 39 New
      +1
      Competitions auctions, citizens. The market, in short.
  8. barbiturate
    barbiturate 9 October 2013 12: 34 New
    +4
    if the leader is simply unhappy that 250 million has been spent somewhere, then is he either a poor leader or he or his sidekick share, doesn’t anyone think so?)
  9. lablizn
    lablizn 9 October 2013 12: 44 New
    +8
    Come, dear friends, to separate flies from cutlets!
    Repair is one thing, deep modernization is another.
    Only the General Developer has the right to modernize (and this is spelled out in all kinds of regulations), while repairs under an agreement with the General contractor in the person of the Defense Ministry (specifically, the Fleets, military units) can be carried out by specialized enterprises, such as Sevmashzavod, the infamous center of the Far East shipbuilding "Star" (general director Averin was fired just the other day), the mentioned "Asterisk",
    Baltic shipyard and several smaller others.
    But the trouble is, and this was noted by the former head of the USC (United Shipbuilding Corporation, which includes almost all developers and shipbuilders, except for the NGO Aurora) Trotsenko, that communications with
    suppliers of systems, components, etc., some of which ceased to exist as a result of the notorious reforms of the Ministry of Defense.
    In particular, the Samara plant "Raid-1" is a unique manufacturer of control systems (reactor protection and control systems), ACS (general ship systems and life support systems), the only holder in Russia of the originals of design and technological documentation for the 2nd and 3rd generations
    of all nuclear submarines, destroyed and surviving the last days at the stage of competitive management. Unique bench equipment, CPA complexes, etc.
    will go under the bulldozer. This is the result of the "reform" of the parable of the Minister of Serdyukov, not that remember!
    And how, in such a situation, do repair plants make repairs?
    Plus, the most powerful pressure from the St. Petersburg group, led by the NPO Aurora, which, incidentally, is the developer of the above systems, but does not have the appropriate resources for their reproduction or repair.
    That's the whole kitchen, unfortunately!
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 9 October 2013 12: 57 New
      +1
      What is your conclusion?
    2. shpuntik
      shpuntik 9 October 2013 19: 53 New
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      Staff Sergeant
      lablizn RU Today, 12:44
      Come, dear friends, to separate flies from cutlets!
      Repair is one thing, deep modernization is another.

      So we separate. If the Moscow region had a pulse on its hands, then by the arrival of Shoigu, these submarines had plowed the Pacific Ocean for four years, and in 2014, modernization could have been done at the shipyard. Neither Balta nor Admiral built these projects.
      And, the fact that the subcontractors are bankrupt, how will they survive if there is no order. It is one thing to reduce, another to destroy. For example, Nerpa was completely shaken up for the Indians: pumps were demounted, the manufacturer sent the factory to replace the RTI, 15 years have passed since it stood, all the guarantees came out. This is a lot of work, but nothing 900 mill. dollars received. Someone got it.
      But the trouble is, and this was noted by the former head of USC Trotsenko, that communications with
      suppliers of systems, components, etc.

      And where is he now, this Trotsenko? Did not cope with the Moscow Region, have you lost contact in your native country? fellow The booth however.
      Don't you think so?
    3. Realist58
      Realist58 9 October 2013 20: 55 New
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      Any enterprise (subcontractor) if it is not sold to metal by effective managers, can be restored.
      There would be a desire AND NEEDS.
      And if all the needs of the servants of the people are only in rolling and piling, then really ... there is no sense in restoring what a broken penny is in your pocket.
  10. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 9 October 2013 13: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: ale-x
    What is your conclusion?

    At the Pacific Fleet there are practically no running submarines.
  11. Apollo
    Apollo 9 October 2013 13: 52 New
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    quote-As the web resource flotprom.ru reports, the Severodvinsk ship repair center Zvyozdochka OJSC in July-August 2014 will accept repairs of the nuclear submarines of the Pacific Fleet K-391 "Bratsk" and K-295 "Samara" 971 project.

    project boat 971 good The nuclear submarine of this project was secretly located off the coast of the USA. laughing
  12. shark
    shark 9 October 2013 14: 01 New
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    It’s a dashing misfortune. It’s bad to drive through the Northern Sea Route. In the first, time and labor costs increase. In the second, it becomes clear to what depths our shipbuilding has slipped. If there is not a single enterprise left in the whole Far East capable of repairing something a complex, modern ship. (in fairness, I heard something about plans to create a powerful offshore plant somewhere there) But the fact that these boats are repaired and put into operation is good. At least we will look further.
  13. gispanec
    gispanec 9 October 2013 14: 05 New
    +1
    or I or skis don’t go ..... how to understand this? - "
    and expressed dissatisfaction with the progress of work, for which since 2008 the Ministry of Defense has allocated more than 250 million rubles. At that time, the plant carried out only an inventory of work, while Bratsk was supposed to go on sea trials in December 2012. As a result, they decided to repair and modernize the boat at another plant. "
    So babosy from our taxes in the amount specified above simply wrote off ??? .... dissatisfaction he expressed the viewers ... that I lived like that and expressed dissatisfaction to us .... land of frightened idiots
  14. DEfindER
    DEfindER 9 October 2013 14: 56 New
    +1
    I hope with the nuclear submarines of Samara there will no longer be such troubles with the repair ..
    By the way, in the photo I'm not sure what Samara is. Here is this submarine:
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 9 October 2013 20: 32 New
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      I hope with the nuclear submarines of Samara there will no longer be such troubles with the repair ..




      Do you have reason for such hope? IMHO troubles are just beginning.
  15. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 9 October 2013 15: 38 New
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    Can write them off and the new ones will be without flaws.
  16. both s69
    both s69 9 October 2013 15: 41 New
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    Yeah! Drive boats for several thousand nautical miles for repairs and upgrades?
    Unclear. belay A participant in the IRBIS forum is most likely right when he noted that it MUST BE easier for the center to replace the leadership of the Far Eastern Territory with its more efficient composition, so that the entire industry is somehow connected with shipbuilding (it would not hurt to restore the entire infrastructure of the destroyed enterprises of the USSR ) began, finally (albeit with a "creak"), to function in this region. Yes, today's Russia, this is not the Soviet Union ... crying Why is this not done? I can not find the answer ... request
    1. military
      military 9 October 2013 16: 25 New
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      Quote: both-with 69
      Yes, today's Russia, this is not the Soviet Union ... Why is this not being done? I can not find the answer ...

      perhaps because ...
      Quote: both-with 69
      present-day Russia, this is not the Soviet Union ...

      what
  17. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 9 October 2013 16: 27 New
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    Quote: DEfindER
    Samara’s nuclear submarines will no longer have such troubles with repairs ..
    By the way, in the photo I'm not sure what Samara is. Here is this submarine:

    She is, however, the oldest photograph. And there will be troubles - Mom dear, there is comrade Guards.k.1.r. Shchuri, in the position of submarine commander, fought - fought and crashed like eggs against a door.
  18. Realist58
    Realist58 9 October 2013 18: 54 New
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    The news is just awesome ...
    Spencers of 250 million of people's money, now we will transfer it to an asterisk and spend another 250 million.

    Conditional execution for the place of the real 15 years of the Gulag, greatly contribute to the flourishing of corruption.
  19. jjj
    jjj 9 October 2013 21: 19 New
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    Transfer of boats for repair to Zvezdochka is the only right decision today. The company still has someone to work with and they know how to do it.
  20. Marconi41
    Marconi41 10 October 2013 00: 43 New
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    But I wonder how to deliver boats to Zvezdochka? Will they be pulled in tow through the NSR?
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 10 October 2013 08: 07 New
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      They won’t deliver to Zvezdochka in any way - this is such a tricky entry for passage along the NSR, in reality - to the Chukchi Sea approximately. The trick is somehow female, Anna Chapman probably came up with a maneuver.
    2. Wachels
      Wachels 14 October 2013 04: 15 New
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      Hardly in tow. The Dutch, in my opinion, have a ship, such a tremendous one. A superstructure in front and behind a platform with keel blocks. The ship sinks like a float. Start two boats 971 Ave., become side by side on the keel blocks and went with boats to the hump. Two years ago, from Vilyuchinsk, two boats were transported to Primorye, and I myself observed from the window of the apartment. I think so will be transported to Severodvinsk.
  21. vvpll
    vvpll 10 October 2013 03: 34 New
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    The Ministry of Defense has allocated more than 250 million rubles. At that time, the plant carried out only an inventory of work, while Bratsk was supposed to go on sea trials in December 2012.

    Yes, people work in a big way.
    Etozh how much they sawed off to themselves 99.9% or what?
    Or they didn’t take a saw at all, but immediately they put everything in their pocket.
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 13 October 2013 03: 54 New
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      Do not worry, the article is just a propaganda muddy, the boats were not at all under repair, they were actively sailing, there is a video on the Internet (as an example of a naval mat) where this is clearly explained by the commander of one of them.
      http://www.perunica.ru/iumor/4661-bez-mata-zhizn-na-flote-nebogata.html
      Another thing is whether to sail "for repair" or not - it is better to think carefully.