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Will Ukraine go for the sugar carrot in the colonial herd?

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Will Ukraine go for the sugar carrot in the colonial herd?The consequences of the first act of the third world war, unleashed by Washington and Tel Aviv against the whole world, continue to affect the fate of the countries of the post-Soviet bloc. The United States and Israel, as winners, are engaged in occupation and looting. They pick up everything that is still bad. And what lay well, democratic vultures have long been taken apart by appointed oligarchs.


Meanwhile, as in any global war, the overall victory is not decided in one battle. International Abrahamism won the first battle. But, as it is now becoming increasingly clear, he will not be able to hold on to this victory. Both the United States and Israel will have to repeatedly hit the face on the table or get a table on the face and try to think about what they have done.

Significant events take place in the south of our country, in a newly independent Ukraine. This country, having escaped from the USSR, is now knocking at the door with the hands of an occupant on behalf of the USA and Israel. More precisely, not even to them, but only at the door to the service of a mongrel called the European Union. And in this corridor truly life-changing events unfold.

Europe hides its unwillingness to accept Ukraine as a full member in the EU for organizing new “important” interstate unions and partnerships. Thus, two foreign ministers - Radoslaw Sikorski from Poland and Karl Bildt from Sweden - even in 2008, came up with the idea of ​​creating the Eastern Partnership program.

This program was created as a deterrent to the aspirations of Ukraine and a number of countries aimed at integration with the EU. Now, five years later, you can analyze the real results of the program.

Among the main objectives of the EaP were democratic values ​​and economic cooperation. However, the final goal of the program remained unspecified. Many politicians still cannot explain the essence of the project.

Polish expert, director of the Center for Eastern Studies Olaf Ositsa says that it is completely unknown how much the task of the EaP is the future accession of these countries to the EU, how much political cooperation, how much economic integration.

The uselessness of this project is also evidenced by the fact that the VP does not have guaranteed funding at a level that could ensure the implementation of at least those modest and vague stated tasks. On 2009-2013 2,8 billion euros was allocated to the EaP budget. Given the number of countries participating in the project, this is an extremely small amount. Therefore, the implementation of the EaP program faces problems in different regions of the post-Soviet world.

Political scientists note that the scheduled for November 2013, the EaP Summit in Vilnius, like the previous summits, is likely to end with general declarations.

Will Ukraine go for the sugar carrot in the colonial herd?

In particular, in the case of Ukraine - although it is the largest recipient of funds under the EaP - it is impossible to speak of the essential role of the EU program. Relations with Kiev develop without logic. It came down to concluding an association agreement. At the same time, the Ukrainian economy is much more closely connected with the CIS countries (42 percent of the turnover) than with the EU countries (30 percent of the turnover). This indicates that for Ukraine any conflict between Kiev and Moscow can mean another economic crisis.

Olaf Ositsa quoted above acknowledges:

“Four years after the launch of the program, she has no political and social results. Ordinary citizens do not even know about its existence.

The desire of official Kiev to sign an agreement with the EU during the Vilnius Eastern Partnership Summit in the autumn of 2013 develops amid a sharp worsening of the crisis in the EU countries. Experts note an increase in protest sentiment in the countries of the former social camp and the Baltic states. A significant part of the population of these countries is not satisfied with the results of joining the EU.

Even members of the European Union themselves are forced to admit that integration is stalling. The American NGO "International Republican Institute" in May 2012 conducted a case study. The data obtained show that only 40% of respondents from Ukraine are on the side of the “international economic union” with the EU. But 37% are supporters of joining the Customs Union with Russia. And despite the fact that the focus group preparation was carried out by the Americans themselves. That is, on this they attributed to themselves percent 10 - 15 of the number of respondents.
That is why even the EU-biased sociological services, for example, the Democratic Initiatives Foundation, state that there has recently been "negative dynamics of civic opinion compared to the 2007 year, and the number of those in Ukraine supporting the country's accession to the EU is steadily decreasing" . Therefore, the number of votes is not 40% - 37%, but actually - 30% - 70% in favor of the Customs Union with Russia.

It should be noted that among the Ukrainian expert community does not stop the discussion. A significant number of politicians noted the lack of economic benefits for Ukraine from joining the EU. There are no political benefits: after all, an association with the European Union does not imply full membership of Ukraine in this organization. New connections impose only duties and responsibilities on Ukraine.

Ukrainian political scientist Vladimir Kornilov notes that adherents of European integration have not yet provided a single figure on the fact that signing the association agreement will give Ukraine’s economy. The whole argument, the political scientist notes, is built on the pseudo-importance of some common “civilizational values”.

Advisor to the First Deputy Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Yevhen Tsarkov makes even more hard conclusions. He warns the population of Ukraine against joining the EU. In his opinion, such integration will lead to disastrous consequences for the "average Ukrainian."

“The result of Ukraine’s entry into the EU will be the elimination of petty trade,” Tsarkov asserts. - What will it mean for the people of Ukraine? It is no secret that a significant part of the population is engaged in the sphere of small trade. So, in European countries, such trade simply does not exist. Villagers will not be able to sell products from their backyard because it will be strictly prohibited. The West does not need you and me, but our territory and our natural resources, so it will strive to reduce the population of Ukraine to the level of 15-20 million people. And this “program” has already been successfully implemented through health care reform. So, European integration is death for the people of Ukraine.

Ordinary democratic values, built on the extremely backward foundation of the tribal method of government, in modern conditions no longer meet the requirements of international state building. In Ukraine, the line of national betrayal is clearly traced. A small group of people belonging to the Ukrainian fifth column in power intentionally and cheaply surrenders this once powerful industrial country. And surrenders to a handful of states that embarked on the path of statehood by historical by the standards only yesterday.

Modern theorists of states are increasingly turning to the model of a national state. In this, scientists see the only way out when foreign elements penetrate into power and destroy the state from the inside.

On the other hand, constantly increasing in size Western monsters require greater rallying from the Slavic countries. The time is not far off when the production and sales markets will no longer depend on the slave labor of the aborigines. When these markets will be directly dependent on the intelligence of a particular people.

In such conditions, the Ukrainian people should be interested in preserving national identity, as well as in integration with the fraternal Russian people. For the condition of the adopted child yesterday, the Neanderthal population of Europe does not promise anything good for Ukrainians.
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  1. Vadim-Skeptic
    Vadim-Skeptic 11 October 2013 06: 39 New
    +2
    Ukraine has so many clients that it does not know whose "body parts" to grab onto to serve.
    I have not decided on the priority areas in development.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 11 October 2013 06: 50 New
      +7
      Quote: Vadim the Skeptic
      I have not decided on the priority areas in development.


      No way! Decided! The priority direction of development (the one and only) and the very meaning of the existence of U are the deriban of wealth and the robbery of the population. For this, this cannibalistic project was created.
      1. Orel
        Orel 11 October 2013 06: 55 New
        +1
        I have not decided on the priority areas in development.


        The most beneficial for Ukraine is neutrality. Without joining the EU and the Customs Union, Ukraine would have the opportunity to get pluses from both sides, since no one would dare in this case put pressure on Ukraine for fear of pushing it thereby to a competitor. Whatever choice Ukraine makes, it will lose anyway, the only question is where it will lose more ...
        1. Lech from our city
          Lech from our city 11 October 2013 07: 01 New
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          At the moment, neutrality is impossible for UKRAINE for purely objective reasons.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 October 2013 07: 31 New
          +7
          Quote: Orel
          The most beneficial for Ukraine is neutrality. Without joining the EU and the Customs Union, Ukraine would have the opportunity to get pluses from both sides

          In today's world, this is not possible! What you are saying is not neutrality, but an attempt to sit on two chairs. Suckers are gone.
          Quote: Orel
          Whatever choice Ukraine makes, it will still lose

          So what do you think Ukraine will lose by joining the CU?
          1. 222222
            222222 11 October 2013 09: 26 New
            12
            Rich countries can afford neutrality. Is Ukraine rich?
            Let's share the question "Ukraine is pulling". All of Ukraine, its people, its supreme power, its oligarchs, or who really controls it .. Then why is the government afraid of a referendum on the choice of the path: -in the EU or the Customs Union? The question is much more serious - for more than 20 years Ukraine is divided into the southeast and the west. Everyone sees this and pretends that "everything is fine in the Oblonskys' house" .. What's next? Is this situation possible further?
          2. Orel
            Orel 11 October 2013 13: 40 New
            0
            Neutrality is not for rich countries. Neutrality depends on specific circumstances. In the case of Ukraine, this was the case before the Orange Revolution (it received pluses from both the East and the West trade was normal) and it suited everyone. And we and Europe, but the USA was worried about this situation and they brought to power those who need it ... Then the whole situation started to spin, we began to push, Europe also did not stand aside, began to pull on itself ...
        3. In the book
          In the book 11 October 2013 12: 33 New
          +3
          "In such conditions, the Ukrainian people should be interested in preserving their national identity, as well as in integrating with the fraternal Russian people."

          I agree with you 100%. It would be a better option if Ukraine should not enter either the EU or the CU. The country's resources are sufficient to exist as a worthy partner of one and the other Union. Yes, only the trouble: people are in power, obviously not patriots of the state, with one thought - "How to grab more and stay at the feeding trough longer"
          1. piotr534
            piotr534 11 October 2013 20: 27 New
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            I agree with you 100%. It would be a better option if Ukraine should not enter either the EU or the CU. The country's resources are sufficient to exist as a worthy partner of one and the other Union. Yes, only the trouble: people are in power, obviously not patriots of the state, with one thought - "How to grab more and stay at the feeding trough longer"
            But excuse me, Ukraine is in this state for 20 years, and politicians and parties are changing at all levels of power for 20 years. And where do you think Ukraine is now? The answer is obvious. Maybe it’s enough to hang out in free swimming, maybe it’s time to return home already?
      2. mirag2
        mirag2 11 October 2013 07: 07 New
        +3
        Good morning! Of course, for me it was a revelation that Ukraine chose Europe as a partner.
        If only hoping for their market? So it's stupid and naive.
        Well, let’s see what Surkov will turn out. Is he a master at all kinds of tricks?
        But I don’t think it’s worth dragging them here by force.
        At first they will sell something to the Poles, then Germans-tourists (at first). And then ...
        In general, the place there is golden, and if you adore wisely, you can live very richly. It is unclear only one thing how all this will pass against the backdrop of incredible Ukrainian corruption (still more than ours), and the complete collapse of statehood.
        Although the Europeans, in theory, will periodically sip them with something, nevertheless in the first place it strategic foothold, to fight with Russia.
        What did Putin say last year? -... three critical years. Or will we survive, or kirdyk. "
        But I’m just so sure that Ukraine will not heal well in the EU, that I’m absolutely calm about this. I’ve already told several times how my relatives live in Estonia, how they were happy (in 91g) to secede from the Russian Federation (even Russian ) -and what it all led to. Work abroad. The truth is, cars are cheap, that's yes-200 euros.
      3. True
        True 11 October 2013 11: 42 New
        +1
        This is true for Russia even more so.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 October 2013 07: 29 New
      +6
      in the newly independent Ukraine. This country, having escaped from the USSR, is now knocking on the door to the invader with the paws of the United States and Israel. More precisely, not even to them, but only at the door to the mongrel serving them, named the European Union.
      Well, why the author so, let's not offend Kars and Co. For example, he believes that he will become a second-class person, if Ukraine joins the CU, and by joining the EU, they will become real European personalities .... laughing Damn, I wrote and the most ridiculous was.

      I don’t understand one thing, but Israel has nothing to do with it, what laurels of a winner it has and in what?
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 11 October 2013 07: 51 New
        0
        What does Israel have to do with it? We all understand that the concept of "winner" has now changed.
        Now to win does not mean to come to a foreign land (to capture them), to take other people's money (trophies), to burn someone else’s house, to establish their hegemony.
        Now this means buying foreign lands (seizing them), promoting your goods, services (taking the money of the vanquished), establishing your morality. There is a special conversation about morality (but I think you won’t be engaged in literary studies).
        So Israel has set its sights on Ukraine’s agriculture. Plus, the Jewish business feels at ease there.
        From this point of view, he has the laurels of a winner.
        1. INTER
          INTER 11 October 2013 09: 28 New
          +5
          Comrade Putin will return his brother to the family, I have no doubt about that. Ukraine is a primordially Slavic country and it has a future with Russia, but it is not far off. And what is happening now, these are just temporary troubles and disagreements.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 11 October 2013 10: 45 New
            +3
            Quote: INTER
            Comrade Putin will return his brother to the family, I have no doubt about that.

            Your words, but who needs it in your ears ...
      2. atalef
        atalef 11 October 2013 15: 54 New
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, why the author so, let's not offend Kars and Co. For example, he believes that he will become a second-class person, if Ukraine joins the CU, and by joining the EU, they will become real European personalities ....

        Hi Sasha. Ukraine, wherever it enters into at least the CU, even into the EU --- will have to flex in the same way (do you really believe that it will be equal to Russia in the CU), so there can only be talk about one who gently fucks --- apparently the EU is preferable.
    3. 222222
      222222 11 October 2013 12: 44 New
      +3
      In how do they neutralize us ..
      Brussels. October 10th. INTERFAX.RU - NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen hopes for future cooperation between Ukraine and NATO within the framework of the alliance, he said at a press conference in Brussels.
      "I have no doubt that the future of Ukraine is in the North Atlantic Alliance, I believe that the possibility for future cooperation of this country with the EU and NATO remains open," he said.
      Their blue, fat and lazy .. Need fresh blood .. Those who want to eat go into the mouth of the Boa? And fight for the interests of the United States and the West?
      So, from 2015 Georgia made its way into NATO’s NRF readiness forces ..
      1. varov14
        varov14 11 October 2013 13: 31 New
        +1
        “Although the Europeans, in theory, will periodically cheat them with something, it is primarily a strategic foothold for the fight against Russia.” - It turns out that the West is asleep and sees a war with Russia and perhaps we will not pull it at the present moment. But on the other hand, from a moral point of view, to strike at the western borders of the former USSR with atomic weapons is not such a sin - enemies.
  2. Orel
    Orel 11 October 2013 06: 48 New
    +2
    More precisely, not even to them, but only at the door to a mongrel serving the United States named the European Union.


    This is precisely the whole vulnerability of the global power of the United States. I think that Europe does not like the role of the "mongrel" at all, they just have not fully realized it yet. The United States is trying in every possible way to frighten Europe, now with Russia, now with China, now with terrorists. The purpose of this is one - to make Europe afraid and hold on to cooperation with the United States, otherwise Europeans may think about their own interests, whatever one may say, but nobody canceled the global competition between countries for markets. So far, the United States and Europe are trying to avoid open confrontation on this basis, but there are many contradictions between them. Our task is to drive a wedge between Europe and the United States, so that Europe begins to think about its own interests without looking back at the United States.
  3. Normal
    Normal 11 October 2013 06: 48 New
    +3
    Everything is so ... Everything is so ... Yes, only the authorities of Ukraine are stubbornly bending their line. Whoever is in power there, Yushchenko's zapadenets or the "pro-Russian" Yanukovych from Donbass, and the result is the same - "Khghalyu" is breaking into Yavropa ... Something is wrong here ...
    1. andruha70
      andruha70 11 October 2013 07: 17 New
      +2
      Something is wrong here ...
      everything is just the same ... simple, it’s easier for some individuals to poke their shit with their nose, than to explain for a long time and that this liquid doesn’t smell very nice ... (from life experience repeat )
  4. Lech from our city
    Lech from our city 11 October 2013 06: 49 New
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    Ukraine awaits the fate of Bulgaria, this can only sympathize.
    Recent statements by officials of this republic about the future refusal to purchase GAZ from RUSSIA show us the prospects for relations with them.
    In general, the venality and insecurity of the leadership of UKRAINE has long been sore.
    It is bad that the people of UKRAINE will suffer from their actions.
    Yanukovych is a two-faced YANUS (as a prostitute today with GRISHKA tomorrow with MISHKA) the same can be said about most of the ministers of UKRAINE.
    1. Normal
      Normal 11 October 2013 07: 04 New
      +5
      Quote: Lech from our city
      In general, the venality and insecurity of the leadership of UKRAINE has long been sore.


      There is such an opinion on this:
      In 2004, 9 years ago, the Russian philosopher Dmitry Galkovsky wrote a LiveJournal stating that Vladimir Putin is not an independent political figure, but a European protege, whose main task is the integration of Ukraine into the EU. The post provoked an understandable reaction: a crazy, conspiracy theorist, in fact Putin is a Russian imperialist, practicing daily the landing of the 76th Airborne Division in Kiev.
      9 years have passed ... In November, the Association Agreement with the EU is expected to be signed, and it will not be signed by the "orange anti-Russian forces" (which paradoxically have lost influence and are imprisoned), but the same Viktor Yanukovych, whom Putin is famous for prematurely congratulating on his victory, causing a storm of indignation among Ukrainians. They said that Yanukovych was the puppet of the Kremlin, that he was almost the governor-general, who by decree No. 1 would abolish Ukrainian independence, some Ukrainian nationalists in all seriousness reported unidentified tanks without side numbers, which they allegedly saw on the outskirts of Kiev. Galkovsky’s post in the midst of the Orange Revolution would not have seemed crazy, but simply greetings from a parallel universe, an evil mockery in the days when Putin is preparing to grab Ukraine ...
      But the revolution passed, its heroes faded (recall that besides the sitting Tymoshenko, there was also Yushchenko, who by the end of his reign lived with a rating of 1% less than Yeltsin), and Putin’s protege and puppet of the Kremlin continues European integration even more stubbornly than "Anti-Russian orangists." The pro-Russian Prime Minister Azarov, the “grave digger of Ukrainian independence”, today even made a statement that Ukraine could abandon Russian gas - and gas wars, which once seemed almost the most important in relations with Ukraine, today look just as old as antiquity, like the battle on Lake Peipsi. Finally, the other day, Putin’s adviser Glazyev said that Russia and Ukraine may have a visa regime (not with the republics of Central Asia and not with the rebellious territories in the North Caucasus, where the CTO does not stop but with the Slavic, fraternal UkrAina !!! (my box ), thing, 9 years ago is completely unthinkable.
      Nine years ... so many events, so many "last and decisive battles" for Ukraine ... but when the smoke clears and the anger of the day fades, it turns out that two things remained unchanged:
      1. Putin is still with us.
      2. And he continues to do everything possible for the further integration of Ukraine into the EU, regardless of whether Ukraine is headed by “pro-Russian” or “anti-Russian” forces.

      sputnikipogrom.com/politics/5303/spies_and_traitors/
      1. Lech from our city
        Lech from our city 11 October 2013 07: 23 New
        +2
        Yes, politicians are judged by the results of their activities.
        Putin for foreign policy-5.
        For the inside bold -1.
        Yanukovych for both of them 2.
      2. michajlo
        michajlo 11 October 2013 10: 34 New
        +6
        Quote: Normal _131011 / heel
        ... Nine years ... so many events, so many "last and decisive battles" for Ukraine ... but when the smoke clears and the spite of the day fades, it turns out that two things remained unchanged:
        1. Putin is still with us.
        2. And he still does everything possible for the further integration of Ukraine into the EU regardless of whether “pro-Russian” or “anti-Russian” forces are at the head of Ukraine.

        Hello dear Vladimir!

        I completely agree with you that Putin is real, not a patriot of Russia and the reconstruction of Union-2, but simply Private obedient "actor" (EXACTLY THE SAME as MSG, EBN), which systematically implements “undercover agreements” prepared by the KGB masters together with the CIA and on which, after their publication, before the signature of Gorbachev, you will find the signatures of the KGB leaders.

        But for some reason, very few people want or dare to talk about the truth and are looking for answers to questions:
        - when and by whom was the planning of the entire action of betrayal started ?,
        - for what?,
        - who by name "allegedly destroyed the USSR" ?,
        - and why all the plans of traitors to the Motherland (USSR)?

        "without knots and scuffs", are being fulfilled in full and now, almost 30 years after the start of the act of betrayal, wrapped in sweet cries of "perestroika, glasnost, acceleration"? am

        True, the old cries now sound in a new way, namely: "reforming, structuralizing, attracting private investors ..." angry

        And in my opinion, only the new LEADER, PATRIOT of Russia and Soyuz-2, who will soon emerge from the depths of the Russian people, will be able to stop the CHANGES of the Motherland, the heads of the "occupation powers" in all the capitals of the post-USSR (with the exception of Minsk).

        Sincerely, Mikhailo. hi
        1. zub46
          zub46 11 October 2013 14: 23 New
          +3
          The new leader of Russia, possessing the qualities and charisma of the level of Stalin or Hitler, has long been vital. But no one is close to this role, and is not expected. Well, do not consider Navalny and Khodorkovsky so?
          1. MstislavHrabr
            MstislavHrabr 11 October 2013 16: 47 New
            +4
            Possible competitors are removed in advance ... Do you believe that Kvachkov is sitting for the preparation of the coup ...
        2. Normal
          Normal 12 October 2013 01: 04 New
          0
          Quote: michajlo
          Hello dear Vladimir!


          Greetings, Michajlo /
          I apologize for such a late reply - work.
          Of course, at work I go to the site, but from the phone. And it is not very convenient to write comments from it and it is completely unacceptable to view the previous pages. In addition, he killed the whole day in response to his old "well-wisher".
          Quote: michajlo
          I completely agree with you that Putin is really not a patriot of Russia and the reconstruction of Union-2

          I’m afraid to disappoint you, but I am not a supporter of Soyuz-2 either. I am a patriot of Russia, deep, indigenous Russia, and I believe that only a strong, strong Russia can be attractive to neighbors. And squandering the human resources of Russia for the development and prosperity of the national suburbs led to the depopulation of the Russian countryside, the rise of ethnic nationalisms and, ultimately, to the collapse of the empire.
          I completely agree with you in assessing the role of the KGB in the cause of the collapse of the Union.
          I don’t want to talk about Putin, and so much has already been said about him.
          Quote: michajlo
          And in my opinion, only the new LEADER, PATRIOT of Russia and Soyuz-2, who will soon emerge from the depths of the Russian people, will be able to stop the CHANGES of the Motherland, the heads of the "occupation powers" in all the capitals of the post-USSR (with the exception of Minsk).

          Unfortunately it will not be soon, if at all. I am a fatalist. I tried to set forth my vision of what is happening in the world, the causes of global processes in articles (on the profile). It turned out pretty messy, but how I managed ...
          I think that in the presence of some differences of opinion, in general we are on the same side. I isolate your comments from the general flow and always read. drinks
          Sincerely, Vladimir.
      3. hrych
        hrych 11 October 2013 12: 09 New
        +3
        At the first meeting with Yanukovych, who won the election, Putin got emotional and suggested that Ukraine immediately join the Customs Union, but he turned out to be just another Mazepa. Again, Yanukovych cannot be strongly judged, the country is split into Russophobes and Russophiles in half, and an attempt to sit on two chairs in this game has a second side - an internal political conflict and a civil war may break out at any moment. It's just that recently, a drop in Ukrainian gas transit began to be felt not only because of the "Streams", but also a decrease in gas consumption in Europe, both seasonal and due to the economic crisis, plus the EU increased the load of its fields to the maximum, and surrendering to the EU is an attempt to maintain a transit status, perhaps it was secretly promised by European priests. However, it will finish off the economy of Ukraine, as usual, our Chief Medical Officer. Our orderly has straitjackets for all the former fraternal republics.
    2. alexng
      alexng 11 October 2013 08: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Lech from our city
      Yanukovych is a two-faced YANUS (as a prostitute today with GRISHKA tomorrow with MISHKA)


      Are you implying that he is also a cockerel? Original! good
      1. MG42
        MG42 11 October 2013 12: 01 New
        +5
        Quote: alexneg
        Are you implying that he is also a cockerel? Original

        In the zone he had the nickname "hillock" for the 2nd term >>> it doesn't seem like they usually drove such for such a category of inmates ..wassat
  5. andrei332809
    andrei332809 11 October 2013 06: 52 New
    +6
    Will Ukraine go for the sugar carrot in the colonial herd?

    but it won’t go, Yanukovych will be dragged to her by the forelock. this state-owned company will definitely not be worse, but what about people it’s not customary to think like that-bad manners
  6. vitek1233
    vitek1233 11 October 2013 06: 53 New
    +3
    Ukraine runs, stumbles to her beloved Europe wassat
  7. Rus86
    Rus86 11 October 2013 06: 57 New
    +2
    The Kremlin needs to organize a new Maidan there. which will be supported by the Ukrainians themselves (probably will support). After all, the answer to the question of what is better is partnership (the Customs Union) or to be second-class people in the EU, it seems to me obvious. along the way to crush the "Fatherland". this evil.
    1. Rus86
      Rus86 11 October 2013 07: 37 New
      +1
      confused with "freedom"
    2. michajlo
      michajlo 11 October 2013 11: 08 New
      +1
      Hello dear!

      And if later it turns out that Moscow was in the know / participated through the Russian aligarch in financing scenesplanned events "on the Maidan" and just quietly played a role, what then?
      1. Rus86
        Rus86 11 October 2013 12: 30 New
        +2
        the whole game, and we are actors in it? it’s hard to believe that Moscow was just waiting for the result, that’s right. blame everything on the struggle of oligarchic groups, with the hands of controlled intelligence agencies defending their interests. (I don’t even know. in confusion)
    3. 222222
      222222 11 October 2013 11: 15 New
      +8
      The Kremlin does not need to organize anything. Especially Maidan. Any evil done is returned a hundredfold. No need to agitate anyone. Moreover, the state. It’s easy to pursue a pragmatic policy that is beneficial for Russia itself. The greater the pressure, the greater the reaction. They stumble into the European choice, fill up cones and remember history and Bogdan .. Russia has always been strong when it was one. And broken by rulers into separate principalities was an easy prey for the thirsty ...
      1. Rus86
        Rus86 11 October 2013 12: 26 New
        +2
        this is not agitation, thoughts, or "it is insulting for the state)
        on the subject of Unity completely agree with you. it would be better for us (Russians, Ukrainians, Slavs and inhabitants of the primordially Russian lands, so that there is no poking. Ukraine does not suffer from this, but indirectly Russia.
        1. michajlo
          michajlo 11 October 2013 12: 41 New
          +4
          Quote: Rus86 _121011 / heel
          this is not agitation, thoughts, or "it is insulting for the state)
          on the subject of Unity completely agree with you. it would be better for us (Russians, Ukrainians, Slavs and inhabitants of the primordially Russian lands, so that there is no poking. Ukraine does not suffer from this, but indirectly Russia.

          Hello dear "nickname"!

          For Russia, these games "on offended sisters" will also be expensive.
          Today, Kiev is kissing Brussels, and tomorrow, not only NATO consultants, but also enemy troops and missiles and planes, take root on Ukrainian territory and from our Ukraine, will threaten Russia and Belarus.

          After all, a simple "kiss passionately, a la Leonid Ilyich" hand of Kiev with Brussels and Washington will not end, be sure !!! angry
          1. Rus86
            Rus86 11 October 2013 12: 54 New
            +1
            very nice, Ruslan. I agree and this should not be allowed in any case. if you just let go, into the vastness of "freedom and dermocracy." The liberals of the West will not miss their chance. THIS must not be allowed !!!
      2. xan
        xan 11 October 2013 15: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: 222222
        The Kremlin does not need to organize anything.

        Quote: 222222
        Stumble into the European choice, fill up cones and remember the story of Bogdan

        I completely agree. Ukraine is not going anywhere, it is impossible to run away with territory in its hands.
        And everything else according to the Bible - God's millstones are ground slowly but thoroughly.
        And we in Russia need to deal with internal problems. Everything else will follow
  8. Troy
    Troy 11 October 2013 07: 01 New
    +6
    Smart learn from other people's mistakes, fools learn from their own. If it is not clear from Ukraine how this all got out to the Balts, Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians, these are their problems. It’s just that later they will remember that we are still fraternal peoples and they’ll stomp to ask for help in the form of loans and the like. (They even now begged us to pay off debts) yell "help!"
  9. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 11 October 2013 07: 01 New
    +4
    hi The leadership of Ukraine has already eaten a "carrot" from the EU, but when the entoma "leadership" will be offered to host an anti-missile defense system (and this is inevitable), the question is really urgent ...
    1. MG42
      MG42 11 October 2013 12: 04 New
      +4
      To deploy a missile defense system in Ukraine, you must join NATO, and to join NATO, you need a referendum and a change in the Constitution of Ukraine’s non-aligned status and withdraw the Black Sea Fleet from Sevastopol ..
      Too many conditions = mission impossible: hi
      1. xan
        xan 11 October 2013 15: 29 New
        -1
        Quote: MG42
        To deploy a missile defense system in Ukraine, you must join NATO, and to join NATO, you need a referendum and a change in the Constitution of Ukraine’s non-aligned status and withdraw the Black Sea Fleet from Sevastopol ..
        Too many conditions = mission impossible: hi

        agree
        in the event of real entry into NATO, the Crimean card must be seriously played. In this case, you need a serious person with steel eggs like Putin, like Medvedev will merge.
  10. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 11 October 2013 07: 18 New
    -1
    In the final analysis, where will Ukraine go only to the Ukrainians themselves.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 October 2013 07: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: Kibalchish
      In the final analysis, where will Ukraine go only to the Ukrainians themselves.

      Ukrainians in Ukraine have never decided anything. Yushchenko and Yaneki do it for them
    2. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 11 October 2013 07: 33 New
      10
      Come on!!? In the USSR, if my memory serves me, even a referendum was held. Great ukry then in the amount of more than 20 milen (70%) people voted "we want the Union". So what?
      Where is the Union ???
      And then Yulechka Tymoshenko said the Great Truth. She said the word "BIOMASS". And you say they will decide.
  11. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 11 October 2013 07: 33 New
    +4
    I recently wrote something similar in the article "The heat party will win in Ukraine." It is interesting that the entire political shoble of Ukraine is a party of cold relations with Russia and expensive energy resources, and there is no real pro-Russian force there, despite the fact that the majority is for the Customs Union, and not Europe. Something like this.
  12. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 11 October 2013 07: 37 New
    +6
    The main thing is that Ukraine would go in the same direction with the Ukrainians, otherwise it’s a disaster. wassat
  13. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 11 October 2013 07: 39 New
    +1
    from the Don.
    This topic is already boring for me, although my mother-in-law lives in Western Ukraine. In the first zapadentsev, the mentality is a little different. All the same, up to 1g. lived under the Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, etc. laughing And they rule the ball now. In 2 money! And money is power !!!
  14. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 11 October 2013 07: 51 New
    +3
    Do not forget that all 20 years all were such donkeys with carrots on a string
  15. vvpll
    vvpll 11 October 2013 07: 51 New
    +5
    . Just then they will remember that we are all the same fraternal peoples and are drowning in asking for help in the form of loans and the like. (They have now begged us to pay off our debts)

    Ukraine is forced to buy gas from the Germans because they are cheaper than the Slav brothers from Gazprom.
    1. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 11 October 2013 08: 04 New
      +1
      Let them say "THANKS" to the uncles from the thought!
      1. Egoza
        11 October 2013 09: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Dazdranagon
        Let them say "THANKS" to the uncles from the thought!

        Not to uncles from a thought, but to our Julia !!! am
    2. HAM
      HAM 11 October 2013 09: 50 New
      +3
      But for some reason, gas in the Kuban is more expensive than in Ukraine ...
      1. Don
        Don 11 October 2013 14: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: HAM
        But for some reason, gas in the Kuban is more expensive than in Ukraine ...

        For the population it can and - yes, but not for industry.
      2. xan
        xan 11 October 2013 15: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: HAM
        But for some reason, gas in the Kuban is more expensive than in Ukraine

        in the Kuban, the standard of living is much higher than in Ukraine.
        Maybe you need to compare it?
        Maybe the price of gas and the general economic situation are somehow connected?
    3. 222222
      222222 11 October 2013 11: 21 New
      +5
      There are no brothers in business, But there is a receipt of surplus value by the owner ... Well, you do not demand cognac in a store for 200 hryvnias, so that you can sell it for 50. ? you just don’t buy it .. and buy what your finances allow. And if "... finances sing romances," then do not scold your neighbor. which applies according to your "wrong formula" prices for goods ..
  16. treskoed
    treskoed 11 October 2013 07: 56 New
    +3
    A small group of people belonging to the Ukrainian fifth column in power intentionally and cheaply surrenders this once powerful industrial country.

    In the interests of this handful of people, the policy of Ukraine is being built. The people are silent.
  17. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 11 October 2013 08: 08 New
    +3
    The West does not need us and us, but our territory and our natural resources - Really "got it" ?! Does someone naive think that everything is done there for the sake of justice and for people ?! The EU just needs "cash cows" and "meat" to participate in military conflicts, when the interests of Germany-France will be defended by the Ukrainians-Baltic-Georgians ...
  18. saber
    saber 11 October 2013 08: 13 New
    0
    Why did you attack Ukraine so? Do we have better?
  19. Essenger
    Essenger 11 October 2013 08: 14 New
    -8
    The whole point of the Customs Union
    1. Imperial
      Imperial 11 October 2013 08: 37 New
      20
      Here you have the same agitation, only twenty years ago, well? Is the bowl full? are all fed up?
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 11 October 2013 09: 04 New
        -4
        Quote: Imperial
        Well ? Is the bowl full? are all fed up?


        What do you care? full or empty, full or hungry. This is their INTERNAL problem.
        1. saber
          saber 11 October 2013 09: 23 New
          +5
          If a child is starving in the apartment next door, is this their internal problem?
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 11 October 2013 09: 32 New
            +4
            Quote: Saber
            If a child is starving in the apartment next door, is this their internal problem?

            Of course, this is gentlemen's capitalism. If they themselves do not ask for help, then they should not intervene.
    2. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 11 October 2013 09: 29 New
      -4
      Ushlepskaya picture. You, pure cormorant, the pig himself.
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 11 October 2013 09: 37 New
        +6
        Quote: kavkaz8888
        Ushlepskaya picture. You, pure cormorant, the pig himself.

        I ask you not to poke and calm down bro) I did not create the picture. I decided to share
        1. kavkaz8888
          kavkaz8888 11 October 2013 13: 55 New
          +7
          Okay, got excited. Just explain, why share it? For example, I’m a quarter of Belarus, a quarter of a crest and how do I look at this picture? I get two dogs one pig?
          I would put it better like this:
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 11 October 2013 14: 01 New
            +3
            Quote: kavkaz8888
            Explain only why so to share?

            The point is not a pig or a dog. If I knew how to make such pictures, I would change the pig to a dog. Well, I don’t know how to work with Photoshop ...

            Quote: kavkaz8888
            For example, I’m a quarter of Belarus, a quarter of a crest and how do I look at this picture?

            Sorry if offended

            At the expense of your picture, I am against the TS, and even more so against the restoration of the USSR.
            1. Don
              Don 11 October 2013 14: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: Essenger
              At the expense of your picture, I am against the TS, and even more so against the restoration of the USSR.

              And then what are you for? All states in the world, and especially neighbors, are creating economic and customs unions, but do you think that they are not needed?
              1. Essenger
                Essenger 11 October 2013 14: 30 New
                +3
                Quote: Don
                And then what are you for?

                For Turan, I think you’ll guess
                1. Don
                  Don 15 October 2013 14: 28 New
                  0
                  Quote: Essenger
                  For Turan, I think you’ll guess

                  And why and for what? Economically complete nonsense. Politically? But who will care about the opinion of this Turan, which even has little in common with each other? Militarily, well, it's just ridiculous.
    3. cayman
      cayman 11 October 2013 20: 01 New
      +3
      Hey Essenger! Why are you greyhounding? Why are you posting the picture where Russia in the guise of a pig on the forum? Russia and Russian shit wanted to throw? So “Essenger,” the real pig is you! What were you Kazakhs in the 19th century when Russia took you under its authority? Wild, dirty, and absolutely not literate nomads, at the same level with the Papuans and with the Australian aborigines. Well, the Papuans remained so Papuans, and the Australian aborigines, like the US Indians, still live in reservations (reserves) along with reserves for deer, giraffes and other fauna. But to the Kazakhs, why hate Russia so much? Russia has conquered and taken you under its authority not to expand its living space, the land in Russia has always been abundant, but solely for the sake of border security. Because you are nomads for ... having your raids on our borderland. The constant robbery of the nomads simply forced Russia to move its borders farther and farther into the steppe, until all of it was under control, with your loved ones. In North America, around the same period, the conquest of new territories by settled Indians also proceeded and the question was radically solved there, on the principle: “a good Indian-dead Indian.” As a result, about one percent of Indians survived whose descendants live on reservations today. However, it was a common global practice everywhere and everywhere, except for Russia. Russia in this regard is generally a strange phenomenon. In the entire history of Russia, not a single tribe, even the smallest, has disappeared. Not a single one! And among them there were quite a few who could be and should have been dealt with as Americans and Indians did. But instead, Russia gave the natives all rights along with the rest of the subjects. And after the seventeenth year, Russia generally built you statehood and the economy and culture. Where is the gratitude? The saying is right: “do not do good - you will not receive evil”. But this is all a saying. The main thing is this. The fate of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Mongolia is already a foregone conclusion. Dig into and remember “Essenger”: these “sovereign” states are sandwiched between Russia and China. Their entire fate is determined by this factor, plus the factor of influence of the US policy, however, not steadily weakening. The sovereignty of the Central Asian countries is in balance between the three powers, but soon, in just a few years, everything will change. China will overtake the United States in the economy, and then in military power, the United States will lose its superpower status, and Russia already does not have it. The only superpower will be China. It's unavoidable. And then the expansion of China will begin. Since America and America have and will have nuclear weapons, China’s military aggression against us is unlikely. But he will take seriously the limitrophes (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia). China will capture you, this is an objective inevitability. America and Russia will not harness for you. To hell you did not fall for you in the war to get involved. And now “Essenger,” the most interesting. China really needs new territories and mineral resources, but it does not need Kazakhs as a labor force. But! China has a terrifying gender imbalance. There are 59 million more men than women. Bab is not enough! Here to satisfy sexual hunger you will be used. Your kazakhs will be handed out to Chinese bachelors until the age of forty, and old jigits will be distributed among brothels at Chinese barracks for sexual slavery. Well, everyone else, at a cost. If you are “Essenger” not yet old, then consider yourself lucky: you will be alive, you will make love to Chinese soldiers. Well, in between sessions, you will remember about sovereignty. And lastly.
      1. michajlo
        michajlo 11 October 2013 23: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: cayman
        Hey Essenger! Why are you greyhounding? Why are you posting the picture where Russia in the guise of a pig on the forum? Russia and Russian shit wanted to throw? So “Essenger,” the real pig is you! ... China really needs new territories and mineral resources, but it does not need Kazakhs as a labor force. But! China has a terrifying gender imbalance. There are 59 million more men than women. Bab is not enough! Here to satisfy sexual hunger you will be used. Your kazakhs will be handed out to Chinese bachelors until the age of forty, and old jigits will be distributed among brothels at Chinese barracks for sexual slavery. Well, everyone else, at a cost. If you are “Essenger” not yet old, then consider yourself lucky: you will be alive, you will make love to Chinese soldiers. Well, in between sessions, you will remember about sovereignty. And lastly. You can’t escape to Russia, which is a pig, - we won’t let it go!

        Hello dear Oleg!

        I cannot but respond to your remark. Some of your thoughts and conclusions about the future of the countries of the CA region, I was very interested, I would be glad to exchange thoughts and information with you.

        But I have to tell you directly, do not be offended that your "street calm" of expressions to an unfamiliar interlocutor, greatly disturbs me.

        With sensible reasoning and logical conclusions, the level of “conversion intentionally vulgar and aimed at humiliating the interlocutor. " In Slovakia, such a style is said to be "expressed as in drinking establishments of the 3rd price group / lowest."

        In my opinion, if the content of your statements is supplemented with an appropriate level of presentation and respect for the other, then you will see that your sayings will be read to the end by a lot more people.

        I wish you a pleasant weekend, Mikhailo. hi
        1. cayman
          cayman 12 October 2013 22: 44 New
          +1
          Mikhailo, I welcome you! Thank you for responding to my note addressed to the "Turanian" Russophobe. I respect and understand your desire for tolerance and political correctness, but this is a special case. Of course, in the order of things to show tolerance and respect for the opponent with the opposite point of view. Moreover, one can be tolerant even of a clear enemy if the enemy has virtues for which he can be respected and if the enemy behaves with respect and tolerance. But what if the enemy does not deserve any respect and evokes only a sense of contempt and loathing? If he is impudent infinitely? In such cases, all tolerance and political correctness must be thrown aside and crushed by the enemies in full, because they do not understand another treatment. Any manifestations of Russophobia must be stopped harshly and immediately. To illustrate, I offer a couple of links. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWdChtm1MEY
          http://www.ndpr.ru (В Киргизии к 100-летию восстания 1916 года призывают отомстить Русским).
          As for my reflection on China and the fate of the countries of Central Asia, including Mongolia, there is no hyperbole. I really absolutely do not see any chance for the salvation of the Central Asian nations. The historical dialectic is such that their destiny is to disappear into non-existence. Indeed, terrible times are approaching, and God forbid, the Slavs, to survive in this gutter.
          With respect and all the best to you!
          1. michajlo
            michajlo 13 October 2013 17: 31 New
            0
            Hello Oleg!

            Do you mind if we switch to YOU?

            I agree with you that for the correct conclusion from the discussion, there is no difference whether I like the interlocutor / opponent or he is disgusting to me! He will always be what he is, or "tries to look to get him the desired result" !!! You understand what I am writing about!
            We are all living people with our "+" and "-", and none of us in the "gates of heaven" in my opinion will NOT crawl.

            But if there is at least the slightest opportunity to "stay above the discussion", even if you are deliberately provoked for today with a still unknown goal, or "this biological individual" is happy to SWEEP (not to discuss), or she is "pleased only by the opportunity to pry "and it is even better to" offend the interlocutor ", then in case of a direct dispute, you will simply go to him" by the row * ke ". This method of persuasion is very effective, and for some it is the only means of sedation.
            But then it turns out that you or I let themselves be pulled into a "simple muzzle * fight" ...

            Well, if in most cases you can stay above "emotions" during the disputes that have grown in their cultural discussion, then you will see for yourself that soon you will be left alone by all "mothers * niks and close * ad * inov", since with you it makes no sense for them to waste their "petty hooligan time", that you do not succumb to rudeness, but simply by telling them at the end "I have the honor of gentlemen mothers * nicknames" hi ,
            then for them it will be worse than a bucket of slop poured on his head.

            You will see for yourself that culturally and accurately applied "fax on face" hurts many times more than "shafts between ribs". smile

            All the best to you, Mikhailo.
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 12 October 2013 14: 01 New
        -2
        It is strange that admins missed this cayman comment. In my opinion, there is enough to delete a comment and a well-deserved ban.
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    6. netishunUA
      netishunUA 11 October 2013 21: 04 New
      +1
      Smiled that our dog didn’t move away laughing
    7. 222222
      222222 11 October 2013 21: 27 New
      +1
      Essenger KZ Today, 08:14

      Dachshund by nature is friendly, active, energetic, with a balanced temperament and self-esteem. Gambling, viscous, curious and tireless hunting dog with excellent instinct. The dachshund works on a badger, fox, raccoon, blood trail, if necessary, will give a duck from the water , will warn about a wild boar and a bear. This is a dog with a loud voice, brave, with protective qualities, brave, serious, purposeful and independent. " !!!
      ..But I doubt it very much. that it’s a pure dachshund .. rather a courtyard terrier
  20. saber
    saber 11 October 2013 08: 18 New
    -1
    then another option - a star-striped grunt copulates all the dogs, and then all one eats! would you like it?
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 11 October 2013 08: 22 New
      +4
      Quote: Saber
      then another option - a star-striped grunt copulates all the dogs, and then all one eats! would you like it?

      I would like everyone to eat from their plate
  21. saber
    saber 11 October 2013 08: 25 New
    +1
    there will be no such, dear! to remind an old parable about twigs and a broom?
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 11 October 2013 08: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: Saber
      to remind an old parable about twigs and a broom?

      try)))
      1. saber
        saber 11 October 2013 08: 36 New
        +3
        This is when they bend and bend one by one, but it does not work out all together)) Did the RSFSR ate you in Soviet times? not strangers people!
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 11 October 2013 08: 39 New
          +5
          Quote: Saber
          This is when one by one all bend and bend, but all together fail

          When countries unite, then they unite against someone ... That's the question why do we need it?
          1. saber
            saber 11 October 2013 08: 45 New
            +4
            As for what is against - this is not so! And if so, then in order not to become another Syria, Libya and Yugoslavia.
            1. Essenger
              Essenger 11 October 2013 08: 51 New
              +5
              Quote: Saber
              And if so, then so as not to become another Yugoslavia.

              Here Milosevic was your ally and you threw him)))
              1. saber
                saber 11 October 2013 08: 55 New
                -1
                Is this after our allies - Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan threw us? A sad moment in history, a fact! But Syria has been defended so far - also a fact
                1. Essenger
                  Essenger 11 October 2013 09: 11 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Saber
                  Is this after our allies - Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan threw us?

                  When did they throw Russia?
                  1. saber
                    saber 11 October 2013 09: 20 New
                    0
                    They threw the USSR by signing the Belovezhsky conspiracy. The blame lies with everything
                    1. Essenger
                      Essenger 11 October 2013 09: 36 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Saber
                      signing the Belovezhsky collusion.

                      This agreement was signed by the Slavic peoples. Claims to them. I wrote about this several times, but once again I will not stand ashamed of the collapse of the USSR. I'm glad about that.
                      1. Imperial
                        Imperial 11 October 2013 09: 50 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Essenger
                        This agreement was signed by the Slavic peoples.
                        Thanks, they made fun laughing
                      2. Essenger
                        Essenger 11 October 2013 10: 33 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Imperial
                        Quote: Essenger
                        This agreement was signed by the Slavic peoples.
                        Thanks, they made fun laughing

                        Always please, I advise you to read the story. To yourself does not look funny)))
                      3. Imperial
                        Imperial 11 October 2013 10: 49 New
                        +1
                        And I already remember everything, I was not drunk (s), unlike any Borisov there, and I repeat again, the Slavic PEOPLES did not sign anything.
                      4. Essenger
                        Essenger 11 October 2013 10: 56 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Imperial
                        And I already remember everything, I was not drunk (s), unlike any Borisov there, and I repeat again, the Slavic PEOPLES did not sign anything.

                        These peoples voted for all kinds of Borisov, etc.
                      5. Imperial
                        Imperial 11 October 2013 11: 51 New
                        +1
                        You recall the results of the referendum of March 17, 91? Boriska became the presidium of the Russian Federation in the summer, the head of the USSR remained a labeled bear, whom not a people elected to this post, but a bunch of deputies at the congress.
                      6. Essenger
                        Essenger 11 October 2013 12: 05 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Imperial
                        You recall the results of the referendum of March 17, 91?

                        And you recall the results of the referendum in Ukraine in December 1991?
                      7. igor67
                        igor67 11 October 2013 17: 41 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Essenger
                        Quote: Imperial
                        You recall the results of the referendum of March 17, 91?

                        And you recall the results of the referendum in Ukraine in December 1991?

                        Independent Republic within the USSR
                    2. Essenger
                      Essenger 11 October 2013 12: 06 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Imperial
                      Boriska became the presenter of the Russian Federation in the summer

                      Well, the Bialowieza Agreement was signed in December 1991.
                    3. Imperial
                      Imperial 11 October 2013 13: 03 New
                      0
                      Well, here’s some sorrow for you, you came, or rather causally investigative ties were bribed when a referendum was announced in Ukraine, on August 24, but what happened in Moscow on the 19th, don’t you remember?
                    4. Essenger
                      Essenger 11 October 2013 13: 10 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Imperial
                      on August 24th, but what happened in Moscow on the 19th, don’t you remember?

                      Of course, this is the question why the Russians did not come out and defend their country?
                    5. romb
                      romb 11 October 2013 13: 36 New
                      +6
                      why didn’t the Russians come out and defend their country?

                      A close relative of mine (one of the "cultural relations" workers at that time), answering a similar question, bitterly said: "At this time, in McDonald's, they were crowded in lines for a hamburger."
                      It was the citizens of the RSFSR who were the first to sell the USSR for the illusive dream of cheap ports from Lewis.
                    6. Imperial
                      Imperial 11 October 2013 14: 17 New
                      0
                      And how many McDonods were there in the Russian Federation at that time? The answer is, if you don’t know, one, and that one in the throne, and often come across such reproaches
                      Quote: Essenger
                      Of course, this is the question why the Russians did not come out and defend their country?
                      The people (if you do not remember) were different, 93 wiser and left, the result: Ask the dead for the price of words
                      They will give you an answer (c)
                    7. romb
                      romb 11 October 2013 14: 52 New
                      +4
                      Yes, at that time he was really alone, but what: 34-37 thousand orders in one working day. At the same time, up to 150 thousand people stood in queues in one working day. Such lines even to Lenin were not in the mausoleum.
                      This eatery has become for the majority of Muscovites a kind of symbol of the emerging "democratic" Russia, which is about to appear when we (Muscovites, Russians) throw off this damned scoop and enter the fold of the Western world, while not forgetting to get rid of various kinds of Asian freeloaders - other republics of the USSR.
                      The West found where there is a fifth column in the country, and he skillfully took his chance. Although, frankly, you yourself were happy to be the first to run, but to sell yourself quickly.
  22. Don
    Don 11 October 2013 14: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: Essenger
    I'm glad about that.

    What are you glad for? Civil wars that then began? Economic crisis? Hyperinflation? Rampant crime? You're crazy?
  23. Essenger
    Essenger 11 October 2013 14: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: Don
    What are you glad for?

    I am glad about the collapse of the USSR, thanks to which Kazakhstan and 4 other Turkic states gained independence. Thank God got a little blood. Does this answer suit you?
  24. xan
    xan 11 October 2013 15: 49 New
    -4
    Quote: Essenger
    I am glad about the collapse of the USSR, thanks to which Kazakhstan and 4 other Turkic states gained independence

    The flag is in your hands, though from this brain no longer appeared - just mining has increased tenfold.
  25. Essenger
    Essenger 11 October 2013 17: 29 New
    +3
    Quote: xan
    The flag is in your hands, though from this brain no longer appeared - just mining has increased tenfold.

    I hear from a citizen (judging by the flag) of a super-innovative country)))
  26. xan
    xan 11 October 2013 21: 32 New
    -2
    Quote: Essenger
    I hear from a citizen (judging by the flag) of a super-innovative country)))

    Well, if against the background of Kazakhstan, then yes.
    Russia has caught up in some places, and where it has surpassed the RSFSR.
    Kazakhstan lagged behind the KazSSR in all respects, in some places it was hopeless, and only in mining did it overtake by several times.
  27. New Russia
    New Russia 11 October 2013 22: 30 New
    +2
    "Russia has caught up here and there, and where it has surpassed the RSFSR." Where???? What ????) At Sdelanunas?)
  28. xan
    xan 12 October 2013 01: 00 New
    -1
    Quote: New Russia
    "Russia has caught up here and there, and where it has surpassed the RSFSR." Where???? What ????) At Sdelanunas?)

    If I were seriously interested, and not flood, I would always find numbers.
    For example, in St. Petersburg this year more meters of housing will be built than in the fattest socialist year of 1975.
  29. New Russia
    New Russia 12 October 2013 01: 38 New
    0
    In addition to construction, you have nothing to say. I know the numbers perfectly, especially we surpassed the USSR and the whole world on drug addiction, the import of migrants to abortions, and much more. 20 thousand enterprises were destroyed in 40 years. In many places there are whole areas of tens of kilometers of abandoned industrial zones.
  30. Don
    Don 15 October 2013 14: 34 New
    0
    Quote: Essenger
    I am glad about the collapse of the USSR, thanks to which Kazakhstan and 4 other Turkic states gained independence. Thank God got a little blood. Does this answer suit you?

    Wow. This is an achievement. Thank God, well, finally, 4 Turkic peoples gained independence, nothing else matters. Yet it turns out to have cost a little. And what is this term "little blood"? How many corpses are there? 10,20,100,1000? But don't care about that. I don’t care about the falling living standards, I don’t care about the economic decline. The main thing is that the Turks are free. I remember in history how many cries in the 60s there were that African countries would gain independence. They got it, but economic development, political stability did not.
  31. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 11 October 2013 14: 34 New
    +3
    Essenger
    This agreement was signed by the Slavic peoples.

    Slavic peoples have nothing to do with it. The contract was signed by scum who imagines that they have the right to do so without asking these peoples, and disregarding the will of the peoples of the USSR (the results of a survey-referendum-70% for preserving the USSR)
  32. Essenger
    Essenger 11 October 2013 14: 38 New
    +4
    Quote: vlad.svargin
    Slavic peoples have nothing to do with it.

    Well, I put it wrong.
  33. xetai9977
    xetai9977 11 October 2013 14: 36 New
    +3
    The agreement was signed from Russia-Yeltsin, from Belarus-Shushkevich, Ukraine-Kravchuk. This is a fact.
  • Don
    Don 11 October 2013 14: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Essenger
    Here Milosevic was your ally and you threw him)))

    Why is it that Yugoslavia was an ally of the Russian Federation? The Russian Federation signed any allied agreements with Yugoslavia? Do not grind nonsense. Already tired of these screamers, who scream all around that the Russian Federation threw Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 11 October 2013 14: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: Don
      Why is it that Yugoslavia was an ally of the Russian Federation?

      I admit I got excited))))

      Quote: Don
      Already tired of these screamers, who scream all around that the Russian Federation threw Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia.

      I do not blame, I somehow violet in these countries)))
  • kavkaz8888
    kavkaz8888 11 October 2013 09: 45 New
    +9
    It should be like this:
  • Don
    Don 11 October 2013 14: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Essenger
    When countries unite, then they unite against someone ... That's the question why do we need it?

    This is against wondering who the EU, ASEAN, SCO united?
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 11 October 2013 19: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Don
      Quote: Essenger
      When countries unite, then they unite against someone ... That's the question why do we need it?

      This is against wondering who the EU, ASEAN, SCO united?


      Against everyone, if you don’t know how customs unions work, it’s not worth discussing. This is pure economic protectionism ...
  • zveroboy61
    zveroboy61 11 October 2013 08: 25 New
    +6
    Studying history, I came to the conclusion (for a long time) that the rulers of Ukraine never had constancy. And now it
    it can be seen, and it’s especially enraging, that we (eastern Ukraine) were betrayed. What do they expect in the next election?
    1. Don
      Don 11 October 2013 14: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: zveroboy61
      Studying history, I came to the conclusion (for a long time) that the rulers of Ukraine never had constancy. And now it
      it can be seen, and it’s especially enraging, that we (eastern Ukraine) were betrayed. What do they expect in the next election?

      We were really betrayed. But I will know how to vote. As usual, we vote. Who will make, where to rig. And it does not matter whether it is East or West.
    2. uizik
      uizik 11 October 2013 15: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: zveroboy61
      Studying history, I came to the conclusion (for a long time) that the rulers of Ukraine never had constancy. And now it
      it can be seen, and it’s especially enraging, that we (eastern Ukraine) were betrayed. What do they expect in the next election?


      Personally, from me to a figure of three fingers!
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 11 October 2013 09: 03 New
    +3
    As they say - Do not want to learn from the mistakes of others, you will learn from your own.
  • My address
    My address 11 October 2013 09: 17 New
    +5
    On this site, discussion / comment participants are far from fools. Including representatives of Ukraine. Of these, many advocate not Russia, but Europe. The arguments are as follows: Putin byaka; gas is expensive; us our oligarchs closer to the heart. On the reasons: and Putin, your Yanukovych in general is still that bitch (not to be confused with wooden!), To unite with Kazakhstan-Russia-Belarus, and not with Putin; look at the price of gas for Belarus; oligarchs everywhere bastards --- start up again: Putin, gas, oligarchs. Putin, gas, oligarchs!

    To confuse. Everyone in Ukraine understands. They simply hope, but what if at least this time a freebie from the West falls down! Suddenly, now on Banking in Kiev, the authorities woke up conscience and do not lie about Western gingerbread! And it’s embarrassing to admit to your dreams, you will immediately receive well-reasoned examples with vivid examples.

    Dreamers, damn it. And it will end badly.
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 11 October 2013 12: 32 New
      +2
      Hello dear Alexander!

      I allow myself to disagree with your assessment here on the forum of the present forum users, citizens of Ukraine.

      I didn’t count, I don’t have any data, but in my opinion about half or more Ukrainians (citizens of the Republic of Uzbekistan) favor a union and closest relations with Russia and Belarus and Russians and Belarusians.

      I will not speak for others regarding “fans of politicians”, but I personally am an opponent of both Putin and Yanukovych, and I can VOLOZ myself call Lukashenko's supporter!

      Therefore, I personally take most of the steps of both Putin and Yanukovych, I evaluate how they obediently follow the indication of “real steering / incognito,” and I accept both of them as temporary "taxiing".

      In your opinion this is probably a paradox, but these are my conclusions on the basis of their achieved REAL results, since I have not taken seriously the promises of political prostitutes for a very long time.

      Now let me give you an example: we all read and hear only that the official mass media of the Republic of Belarus and the Republic of Belarus are slipping us, so every politician can successfully lie to his citizens:
      - what I supposedly wanted to agree, but my partner set unacceptable conditions ?!

      But in reality, if Ukrainian enterprises were in one way or another involved in cooperation with the Russian Federation and Belarus, Ukrainians would work in large numbers at the construction sites of Russia (Siberia, the Far East, the North) and did not dangle from hunger "through a rich and well-fed Europe",
      what is the lever of pressure of Ukrainian citizens-voters (in European terms - “motivator”), would the Kremlin have on the same "changeable in love of Yanukovych"?

      And so, with all the words on duty about the brotherly love of both politicians (Putin + Yanukvoich), The section and the abyss between our peoples deepens and mutual HATE between Ukrainians and Russians is skillfully cultivated !!!
      This farce reminds me of the period 1985-91, when suddenly “out of the blue” ethnic conflicts arose and refugees and displaced persons appeared in the USSR !!! And besides, without declaring war !?

      It would be easy for me here on the forum, to call anyone who disagrees with me a “RUSSIAN CHauvinist”, but firstly I don’t think so, and secondly I’m here looking for what connects us and I’m thinking, what will bring us tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, when after another campaign, they will tear off old posters and calls from the walls and begin to sculpt new ones.
      1. My address
        My address 11 October 2013 12: 50 New
        +2
        And with you, Mikhail, I agree.
        But there are others. And that Ukraine and Russia need to unite, and not P and I, I already wrote, but in response: p - byaka, gas is expensive, Akhmetov is nicer than Alekperov. And read the arguments of Kars? hi
        1. michajlo
          michajlo 11 October 2013 13: 34 New
          +2
          Dear Alesander!

          Such as "our / my Ukrainian" Kars, Akim and others, we can both count here "a wallet with a wheelbarrow". But they are not the only ones who "stand and fall" (the Slovak phrase) our relationships and aspirations for friendship.

          You and I, too, can here "argue about whose poop in the sandbox is more smelly", but with such a "childish dispute", we will not get anywhere except "swear words at the end".

          But smart and thinking people are everywhere, but not everyone has the time and desire to do something, think and calculate ahead.

          I personally believe that the mere fact of the emergence of "doubting and questioning the power of citizens" is already a defeat for all official propaganda, with which we cannot measure our strength alone, but together we can become something.
          It is enough for people to tell, give them information, and many themselves will come to the results that are opposite to those praised in the media.
  • Egoza
    11 October 2013 09: 31 New
    +5
    On October 3, during a meeting with a delegation of the European Parliament, Nikolai Yanovich announced that the association agreement is “quite complicated” for our country. “For example, the adaptation of technical regulations for Ukraine over 10 years will require approximately 165 billions of euros. This is a huge job, ”said Mr. Azarov. “We will need to reconfigure our entire economy to new standards for us,” he added.
    Yes, the work ahead is really “huge”, but also extremely costly. 165 billion euros for ten years on only one adaptation to European technical regulations! 165 billion euros - this is approximately 1,8 trillion. hryvnia! For comparison: the revenues of the Ukrainian state budget for 2013 were planned in the amount of 361,5 billion UAH. In other words, Ukraine’s transition to EU technical regulations will cost her five annual budgets!
    Let me once again recall the recent warning of the president of Motor Sich JSC Vyacheslav Boguslaev regarding the signing of an agreement with the European Union: "For knowledge-intensive enterprises, such an entry is an instant death." And he substantiated his position precisely by the need to switch to European technical regulations (one of the conditions of Europe imposed on Ukraine in the framework of the association agreement).
    “In Ukraine, about 20 thousand standards. And under the terms of the agreement, we must abandon them and switch to the European standard, ”Boguslaev complained.
    Recently, commenting on the promises of the powers that be holding in the future to hold a referendum on integration choices, we expressed doubt about this: “Ukraine will first change the 20 000 (!) Standards, spend considerable time on this, and then decide (or rather, propose to do so) to the people - the source of power and the bearer of sovereignty): do we really need European integration in principle? And if the people say that they’re not needed, and that it’s more logical to join the Customs Union, then we are changing these 20 000 standards back? This is absurd.
    http://2000.net.ua/2000/forum/mnenie/94368

    Yesterday, October 10 was World Mental Health Day. Probably our tops are only friends this day! am
  • major071
    major071 11 October 2013 09: 44 New
    +5
    I already wrote on this topic, but I repeat again: Ukraine made its choice, well, for the people of Ukraine politicians made a choice, right or wrong - time will tell. Now everyone is waiting for a big fat candy from the EU, that's how they get this candy - let it be! This is their future. IMHO.
  • saag
    saag 11 October 2013 09: 46 New
    +1
    Ukraine is already being torn apart - Chevron, Shell, the Chinese have also connected to the ground, without waiting for it to sign something there and while some say that this is its choice and independence, all these conversations are just a cover for enrichment, the same is in Kazakhstan, which from of all that is there belongs a small share, "... to the sweet babbling of a mandolin ..."
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 11 October 2013 10: 56 New
      +7
      Quote: saag
      Ukraine is already being torn apart - Chevron, Shell, the Chinese have also connected to the ground, without waiting for it to sign something there and while some say that this is its choice and independence, all these conversations are just a cover for enrichment, the same is in Kazakhstan, which from of all that is there belongs a small share, "... to the sweet babbling of a mandolin ..."

      Wow, and whom they do not pull? if you give an example I will be very grateful not to offer options for shangri-la, Belogorye, etc. About a small share of Sharapov and humpback recalled laughing . I’m also interested in the question: there are northern peoples of Russia from their lands for many hundreds of billions of dollars pumped out oil and gas, and they have at least a small share in this wealth, otherwise they, like living in the plagues, seem to remain there. suddenly who has the information?
      1. My address
        My address 11 October 2013 11: 06 New
        +1
        In the north of Western Siberia, in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, indigenous peoples live quite well. I do not think that Yamal is worse.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 11 October 2013 11: 13 New
          +4
          can be more accurately pretty good how it is. every day they eat bread, or drink bread with caviar with pineapple juice, or how do Arabs who put golden teeth on their camels? no offense how much specifically each family receives from those oil-gas-gold and other wealth and not by their own efforts selling deer and their other traditional crafts.
          1. My address
            My address 11 October 2013 12: 59 New
            0
            This is my personal impression, was in the North. Sorry, but I will not collect data. They have a lot of benefits, including big social Another thing is that for oilmen this is a penny, because the indigenous population there ...
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 11 October 2013 20: 10 New
              +3
              about this and the conversation of the indigenous population there ..... as far as I know they live in childbirth and it would be good for each family to receive a "small share" from the oil and gas workers that carry out production on their lands. it will be their personal "national fund" suddenly they get tired of wandering and they decide to live like sheikhs laughing not all oligarchs change yachts like gloves.
          2. Don
            Don 11 October 2013 14: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: Semurg
            no offense how much specifically each family receives from those oil-gas-gold and other wealth and not by their own efforts selling deer and their other traditional crafts.

            I don’t understand what the terms are: they live well, bread, caviar, pineapples. There are no such terms in economics. And where did you get the idea that they should have something from this? Do they have something in Kazakhstan? Azerbaijan? What does each person personally pay money monthly? And about the Arabs, the comparison is not correct. Having such an amount of oil, the size of the territory as in Qatar and only 400 thousand citizens, it is possible to allow subsidies from the state to each citizen.
      2. Troy
        Troy 11 October 2013 14: 39 New
        +2
        We have built capital housing for indigenous peoples, but this option is not suitable for them, since many lead a nomadic lifestyle, those who want to live in the city receive good housing, but some do not want to, they are more convenient and familiar in the forest. And therefore, they are supplied with equipment and fuel, and they also pay for the rent of exploited lands that are located on the territory of the patrimonial lands. Of course, it is not without friction, but they live well. And who does not abuse and is friends with the head, generally excellent.
      3. xan
        xan 11 October 2013 15: 41 New
        -2
        Quote: Semurg
        I’m also interested in the question: there are northern peoples of Russia from their lands for many hundreds of billions of dollars pumped out oil and gas, and they have at least a small share in this wealth, otherwise they lived in the plague as it were

        you feel the mentality of kazakh-bai - that gives land, then sell, and even better - that someone worked for kazakh-bai, and he only unfastens his grandmother
  • dropout
    dropout 11 October 2013 11: 38 New
    +3
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/368/mbvo296.jpg
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 11 October 2013 11: 52 New
      +5
      You justify your nickname)))
  • Troy
    Troy 11 October 2013 11: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: My address
    In the north of Western Siberia, in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, indigenous peoples live quite well. I do not think that Yamal is worse.

    Dear, our Khanty and Mansi have their patrimonial lands and big presents from Gazprom and Surgutneftegaz! Having married a representative of an indigenous nationality, you get an apartment for free. I assure you, they live well. Every day I go through their lands, so I do not know by hearsay.
  • MG42
    MG42 11 October 2013 11: 52 New
    +3
    The result of Ukraine’s entry into the EU will be the elimination of petty trade, Tsarkov claims. - What will this mean for the residents of Ukraine? It is no secret that a significant part of the population in our country is engaged in small-scale trade. So, in European countries such trade simply does not exist

    Well, you can’t say that in the EU there are no small farmers or small entrepreneurs, it’s time for our deputies to learn the materiel .. lol
    And again joining the EU? Turkey has been waiting for EU membership for decades since signing the association agreement with the EU ..
  • serge
    serge 11 October 2013 12: 21 New
    +3
    The people of Ukraine are not fleeing to the colonial herd. The Jewish government, led by the Yankelevich-Yanukovychs and (x) Azarov, is pulling him there on a rope pushed by Jewish oligarchs. With what fright does a two-meter Jew Yanukovych climb to unite the Russian people of Ukraine with the Russian people of Russia? As for the policy of modern Russia, it does not seem to be aimed at the return of Ukraine to Russia (or the Russian Empire or the USSR there, it doesn’t matter, they are one). Currently, the return of Ukraine is completely impossible. It is necessary to ruin Ukraine and return it in parts. To do this, you need to work with the people of the East and South of Ukraine, create Russian structures there and supply them with money and weapons. That is, to do what the Jewish-American structures are doing there in relation to their supporters. Conductors of Russian interests in Ukraine are immeasurably greater, but no one helps them. Putin’s government did not and does not do this. The whole policy of present-day Russia in relation to Ukraine consists in waving carrots in front of the nose of Jewish Ukrainian oligarchs. This will not take effect, since these guys are not independent and their bosses are sitting in international Jewish structures, England and the USA. And this waving of carrots is done not for the reintegration of Ukraine, but for deceiving the Russian public throughout the Russian space, in Russia in the first place. This is an imitation of activities to unite the Russian people. For the past twenty years, the same imitation has been dealt with by the Russian patriot Lukashenko. It seems like Russia and Belarus have united ten times already, but every time at the last moment there is a reason to prevent this, and more often from Lukashenko, why would it suddenly be? In the meantime, we see how Ukraine is successfully dragged to the West. The army in Ukraine will become a mercenary from next year. This link is one chain. The national army of Ukraine, consisting of Russian conscripts, will not fight with Russians. Hired - will be. The West will try to push the Russians against the Russians. Since 1917, when this succeeded, it is the blue dream of the West and international Jewry. Ukraine, of course, will not go anywhere and will eventually return to Russian space. Since the language, cultural traditions and blood are the same. But what happens before this moment, and how much water and blood is leaking, is only known to God.
  • New Russia
    New Russia 11 October 2013 12: 55 New
    +1
    "Will Ukraine go to the colonial herd for sugar carrots?" The choice between the two colonial herds is not rosy. Ukraine, if we mean its people and not the "elite" (the ruling party) wants to go to Russia, but not to this RFiyu, but to Russia, a prosperous, Slavic where law and justice are. In the Taiga Union, especially with the prospect of joining Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, in which the authorities are corrupt and the oligarchs rule everyone, they will not go. The example with Belarus has already shown that the Dagestan geek oligarch is dearer to the Kremlin than an alliance with the fraternal people. All these stories about the Slavic brotherhood are needed so that the electorate should vote for whom. They don't give a damn about the Slavs
  • vikov
    vikov 11 October 2013 13: 19 New
    +2
    Speaking about Ukraine’s choice between the EU and the CU, to put it mildly, it’s not serious, and Ukraine and the EU are members of the WTO, the Russian Federation even adopted the Law on the priority of WTO laws over the norms of the CU, so this is all verbiage, in the end we are talking about changing rules and norms society, which may not reflect well on the Russian model of power, and given our close relations, it will create a not very healthy strain between the people and the authorities.
  • New Russia
    New Russia 11 October 2013 13: 31 New
    +3
    Putin listened to the demands of the people and agreed to introduce a visa regime .... No, not with Asia. with Ukraine!)
    Two “good” news were given by Advisor to the President of Russia Sergey Glazyev against the background of emerging European integration of Ukraine:

    1) Visa regime may be introduced with Ukraine.

    2) Within the framework of the Customs Union, into which they are actively trying to drag Kyrgyzstan with Tajikistan, they can generally cancel passport and visa controls.
    1. vikov
      vikov 11 October 2013 13: 44 New
      +3
      The Americans are leaving Afghanistan. Someone else must bear the costs of stabilizing the situation in this region, so Russia has been so happy.
  • In the book
    In the book 11 October 2013 13: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: zveroboy61
    Studying history, I came to the conclusion (for a long time) that the rulers of Ukraine never had constancy. And now it
    it can be seen, and it’s especially enraging, that we (eastern Ukraine) were betrayed. What do they expect in the next election?


    Darling, who thought about you (and us too) when he made promises in 2004, 2010? They sniffed us in full, just to get the "elite". Got it, so what? This year, budget overruns on Yanukovych will be covered by a decrease in payments for the Shevchenko Prize. What do you want from these freaks?
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  • vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 11 October 2013 15: 19 New
    +1
    The desire of official Kiev to sign an agreement with the EU during the Vilnius Eastern Partnership Summit in the autumn of 2013 develops amid a sharp worsening of the crisis in the EU countries. Experts note an increase in protest sentiment in the countries of the former social camp and the Baltic states. A significant part of the population of these countries is not satisfied with the results of joining the EU.

    Before breaking into the EU, I would ask our "former fraternal Baltic republics" or the former eastern countries of socialism. How did they get there and where they moved (or rather, moved in). For example, Hungary:
    Industry and the agricultural sector have been destroyed, prices are 3-4 times higher than in Ukraine. There are thousands of hectares of unharvested crops in the fields, because purchase prices are lower than the cost of fuel for harvesting. Previously, our merchants went to the West to shop: buy cheaper, sell more expensive. Now the opposite is true. Thousands of cars and buses from Hungary and Slovakia go to the border cities of Uzhgorod, Beregovo, Mukachevo, after dinner you can't buy bread, diesel fuel has not been sold for six months, and gasoline is exported to the West in huge quantities. Local craftsmen have figured out how to inflate the tanks by 10-20 percent, at gas stations there are wedge-shaped structures, which the car drives into to fill in 3-5 liters more gasoline. (Valery Goncharenko "European Union: Heaven or Hell?")
  • New Russia
    New Russia 11 October 2013 16: 10 New
    +1
    "Moscow looks especially pitiful. Well, what do you threaten Kiev with? Gas again? Refusal to buy chocolate? Doesn't work. What have you done, you fool, to return Ukraine over the past 13 years? Involved machine-building enterprises in the eastern Dnieper region and Novorossia-Black Sea region in large joint projects "Tied them to itself economically? Created from their workers and directors a powerful pro-union, unionist lobby? Introduced thousands of young people from the South-Eastern part of Ukraine to their universities and gave them an education? Worked with Little Russians (part of the Russian people), like the Germans on the eve of 1938. - with the Sudeten tribesmen? Did you help the smartest Oles Buzina, who is one hundred percent supporter of reunification and the destroyer of Svidomist myths, to become a political figure?
    Yes, you didn’t do a damn thing, mean and corrupt ... b. You can’t even carry out industrialization-2.0 in the Russian Federation — and without this, no alliance will be possible. You see, the harlot of Babylon, to reunite the Russian lands, you must first declare here in the Russian Federation that the Russians are not only Great Russians, but also Little Russians, Ukrainians (with the exception of Galicians), as well as white Russians. (It doesn’t matter what they say from Kiev and Lviv: our business is to powerfully transmit the idea of ​​national Great Russia and Little Russia). Secondly, one must literally possess an obsession with the reunification of our historical lands - the same as the Moscow sovereigns and Russian emperors (including the latter - Joseph Stalin). And your “two young men from the casket” are the townsfolk who lead the rabble called the “Russian elite”. And for her already Zamkadye - waste land, she does not associate herself with the Russian country.
    Yes, the Ukrainian “elita” is no better. But you need to be higher and more business-like in order to succeed.
    And instead, bulls and cattle. And the top and bottom. Lord, you are lice - not to say worse.
    Particularly annoying are the Moscow bydloraseyans from office plankton. My classmate Anya Ragulina, the owner of a restaurant in Odessa, told how she encountered such idiotic postings. “Why don't you give us the Crimea? Why are you stealing gas from us? ”
    Oh, lice! To say this not to a Bandera woman, but to a woman from Odessa, a native of Novorossia, where there were no ukronationalists? Are they stealing gas from you? Gas is in the hands of those who do not care about the Russians in the high bell tower ... "

    http://m-kalashnikov.livejournal.com/1601863.html
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 11 October 2013 17: 37 New
      +1
      Kievan Rus!!!
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 11 October 2013 17: 47 New
        0
        Nice time was)
    2. xan
      xan 11 October 2013 21: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: New Russia
      Moscow looks especially pathetic. Well, what are you threatening Kiev with? Gas again? Failure to buy chocolate? Does not work. What have you done, fool, to bring Ukraine back over the past 13 years? Has involved the machine-building enterprises of the eastern Dnieper and New Russia-Black Sea regions in large joint projects?

      All of this was, there were joint projects, there was some kind of suspension. In response, they received Russophobia in full growth.
      Now we go from the other end. Only those who are near are stepping on the same rake twice.
      Quote: New Russia
      My classmate Anya Ragulina, the owner of a restaurant in Odessa, told how she encountered such idiotic postings. “Why don't you give us the Crimea? Why are you stealing gas from us? ”

      If Anya Ragulina were educated and intelligent, she would not have taken this seriously. And Crimea went to Ukraine by mistake. But apparently what stuck to Ani's hands was already hers.
      Kalashnikov proposes at the expense of Russia to carry out the industrialization of Ukraine, to help the Ukrainian Russophobian elite earn money. First you need to solve another more important issue. No need to put the cart in front of the horse.
      Anyway, this writing is similar to "scream for the sake of a scream", the author needs to be read and quoted
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 11 October 2013 22: 32 New
        0
        "Kalashnikov suggests, at the expense of Russia, to industrialize Ukraine and help the Ukrainian Russophobic elite to make money." Nothing of the kind, if you followed the link then you read that he rightly calls both our and the Ukrainian occupation administration as they deserve)
  • Vittt
    Vittt 11 October 2013 16: 50 New
    +2
    Remember Vladyka Rohan from "The Lord of the Rings", when he was under the spell of Sauron's envoy. Ukraine is exactly like him. They lead the lamb to the slaughter and no one murmurs, and if anyone is indignant, they are not heard. Ukraine sleeps in fever "democratic" delirium. The half-Ukrainian-half-Belarusian himself, spent his childhood (except school) and youth (studying to be a doctor) in Ukraine, I love her very much. People just dropped their hands, and the enemies seize everything. There is no wizard who will awaken Ukraine. For New Year I want a gift - so that there are no Yanukovychs, Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Yushchenko, Yatsen
    yukov, nicknames and other rabble, koopuyut my beloved Ukraine!
  • netishunUA
    netishunUA 12 October 2013 01: 16 New
    +3
    The author is a minus. I argue: at first, he shit on Ukraine with contempt, and then the conclusion - forward to the TS. The author myself does not like our elite, but this does not give you the right to comment on Ukraine in this form. but don't you dare offend Ukraine. Maybe you live in this world now, thanks to the fact that the Ukrainian gave his life in the fight against the Germans. Your conclusion is about the fraternal Russian people, so write about the "Azov sitting" or how our grandfathers together heroically fought against fascism ...
  • Puler
    Puler 12 October 2013 02: 36 New
    +1
    While other countries are developing and strengthening, Ukraine is mired in squabbles and cheap dances to the tune ... and in the old days, the Ukrainians did not live ... they beckon their geyropa and not paternal unions ...
  • Dimka off
    Dimka off 12 October 2013 18: 29 New
    0
    What do you think, is it possible after an association to split the country leading to armed clashes? It just became really interesting developments.