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Industrial feudalism

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Industrial feudalismOver the past 22 years, there has been a discussion in the media about the modern definition of the economic structure that exists in Ukraine. Some analysts define the formation as wild, undeveloped capitalism, others use the term “oligarchic capitalism”, few say that we have developed capitalism and the beginning of the development of a post-industrial society. We give the following definition of the existing formation: industrial feudalism.


In this definition, we rely on the following characteristics of the formation: the presence of a mass class of powerless feudal peasantry. 35% - almost 15 million - Ukrainians live in the village, the remaining 35% - in cities with a population of less than 50 thousands of people who can be called large villages. In cities with a population of more than 1 million - Kiev, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Donetsk - less than 10 million people live. This indicates the dominance of the rural way of life in the country.

Almost every Ukrainian family has a land plot. Most Ukrainian peasants conduct the natural character of production, that is, produce products for themselves; in Ukraine there is still no mass capitalist commodity production of agricultural products. At the same time, 70% of the population (including gardeners) are engaged in subsistence farming. 5 million peasant shareholders own land as feudal property. The peasants received the land as a feudal estate with rights to work in former collective and state farms. You can not sell land, you can rent out and pass by inheritance - the classic feudal land tenure. Land cannot be pledged in a bank; it is not capital.

In political terms, all power in the country - from the head of the district state administration to the governor, security officials, judges, prosecutors - is appointed supreme overlord, and not elected by the population. Full feudal vertical. In the country there are actually political dynasties. The Verkhovna Rada can be safely called the House of Lords, since sometimes the mandate of the deputy is inherited.

The presence in the country of agricultural enterprises, which belong to the owners of large-scale production, resembles the phenomenon of assigned factory peasants of Russia of the XVIII century.

Local authority itself exists on the principle of feudal feedings, when a policeman or official lives not at the expense of wages, but at the expense of the subject population, that is, bribes. The most important thing is that in Ukraine everyone perceives this as the norm and everyone has come to terms with it. What says about the feudal thinking of the population.

Laws on pensions and social benefits are purely class character.

Privileges and pensions are given in Ukraine to social strata as estates. And they are sometimes hereditary. For example, the children of participants in the war received the status of children of war or the status of the families of the victims.

The law on pensions for combatants, workers of the Security Service of Ukraine and the Interior Ministry, the military, and war invalids actually formed the feudal military class.

The law on pensions of officials and researchers formed the service class.

The law on pensions for harmful production (metallurgists, nuclear scientists, workers in the chemical industry) is reminiscent of feudal shop class privileges.

Laws on the status of a war veteran, children of war, Chernobyl victims, large families generally give benefits by date of birth, family composition and fact of residence - the feudal principle in its purest form.

In matters of confessional politics, the church is actually not separated from the state. Representatives of the authorities officially participate in all church, and representatives of the church - in all public holidays.

In cultural terms, we generally complete the Middle Ages. On television, we contemplate jesters, buffoons, mummers, witches, troubadours, sorcerers, sorcerers, fortune-tellers.

In education, scholastic medieval humanities dominate. Most of our universities train psychologists, lawyers, managers, philologists, economists, and journalists. We will not be surprised by theologians and theologians soon.

In science, total obscurantism: Ukrainian scientists with a serious air speak of miracles and the divine origin of the world. Doctoral and master's theses are sold as noble titles in good old England.

The whole territory of Ukraine is divided according to the type of duchy and county into spheres of influence of the oligarchs and those who see what constitutes a feudal clan system. Such phenomena and concepts as cronyism, cronyism, families, patronage, the team, its people, our people, are modern evidence of this. The whole country knows these unwritten rules of the current feudal clan system.

The third estate in the face of the petty and middle bourgeoisie is oppressed and did not even become a class. Its representatives mostly lead the way of life of merchants in the medieval market. As for the industrial proletariat and the trade unions, they are in the development stage of the feudal shop: no one sees further professional interests.

There is another feudal estate in the country - craftsmen: these are watchmakers, dentists, jewelers, shoemakers, home appliance and car repairmen and others.

In Ukraine, there are no signs of not only post-industrial, but also industrial society.

Modern miners are the old, forgotten system of otkhodnichestvo (leaving serfs to earn money to pay the feudal dues money). No matter how regrettable we are, we are obliged to pay him for life.

The class of technical and humanitarian intelligentsia as such is absent according to the degree of influence. There is a sale of diplomas and titles, and therefore, and positions. Even rectors of universities are chosen with the active participation of the authorities.

In the demographic sphere, the institute of mistresses, kept women, second wives, who in the feudal society were called concubines, has long been widespread. At the same time, some Ukrainian girls dream of being a rich kept woman.

In ethnic terms, Ukrainians have not yet developed into a single bourgeois nation: the East and the West have different languages ​​and Christian denominations. Even the centers of religious influence in Ukraine are located abroad: Moscow, the Vatican, Constantinople. We are still in the pre-reform state. Indeed, one of the goals of the Reformation is to have our own religious center in the country.

Another important way of the economy is monopolists in the communal sphere, who live according to the principle of a medieval monopolist workshop. PREZHO, water utility, power grid, heating network - this is a closed monopoly organization.

The banking system does not set itself the goal of capitalist development of production, it works like medieval moneylenders for profit.

In economics, industrial barons created the classical system of industrial feudalism with elements of subsistence farming. They carried out free privatization through the privatization checks of the labor collective. Industrial barons received their factories for free as feuds. High overlord L. Kuchma paid the "red directors" for political support during the 1994 presidential election. And in general, the fate of industrial barons depended and depends on their relationship with the country's supreme overlord - the president. Full feudal vertical. Even with the change of ownership of the industrial baronate, the principle of feudal clan relations in the baronate does not change. The industrial baronate includes production itself, its own bank, an insurance company, a factory hospital, recreation facilities, dispensaries, children's camps and kindergartens, a sponsored school, its own agricultural enterprises and food shops, shops, its security, transport, Aviation, his sports team, newspaper, radio, television, his faction in the local council, and sometimes the mayor - the protege of the enterprise.

Industrial barons influence a part of the territory of a region, a population on which they can have a social and political impact. Due to the fact that working enterprises are the only source of income for the population of certain regions, a rigid disciplined management vertical has been built inside the baronates.

In addition to the above criteria of industrial feudalism, I would like to give a description of the power structures. For example, the traffic police are ordinary posts for the collection of the medieval camp tax on merchants who moved from city to city, only now instead of merchants there are owners of trucks and passenger cars.

And now let's touch our pride - the Ukrainian army, which has long been recruited not by the general appeal of the entire male population and not on a professional basis. We have a recruitment recruitment of a small part of the population free of charge. This is the principle of recruiting the army of tsarist serf Russia in the XVIII-XIX centuries.

According to the definition of Lenin, with the king-father, we had feudal-military imperialism; Stalin, by our definition, built state industrial capitalism, but we built industrial feudalism with elements of capitalism as a lifestyle in 22 year of independence. This is neither bad nor good. It is a fact.

Modern Ukraine in the XXI century received historical a challenge in the face of the post-industrial information society. In the modern world, the development of society is determined by the development of information technology. Ukraine needs for a decade, from 2015 to 2025, to build a post-industrial information society, bypassing the industrial one.

We have the prerequisites for this - 20 of millions of Internet users and the fact that the population has more than 50 of millions of mobile phones. To create a class of information product producers, they need government support, full democratic access to information, financial and technical resources. Creating an information society will not require gigantic investments; we need only the democratic labor organization 10 of millions of Internet users with higher education.

Ukraine should try to at least get into the waiting room of the golden billion (Western European countries, USA, Canada, Australia, Japan) of the information society. An information product is any information that a person can create and sell through the Internet. These are new information communications. This is a new information structure of the economy, in which the role of the state recedes into the background.

With the successful development of the information society, the inevitable democratization of society takes place, the state will be assigned the role of process coordinator. The question of starting to build an information society is a matter of 2015 presidential elections of the year. In the 2015 year, we choose not a development vector, not a form of civilization, and not a personality. This is the choice between the second and third millennium. Between industrial feudalism and the post-industrial information knowledge society. Between a society of free information intellectuals and a society of estates. Our cultural, geographical, intellectual proximity to the peoples of Europe, the presence of our own diaspora in Europe, the USA, Canada, Australia, allow us to hope for a chance of successful integration of Ukraine into the information society - the knowledge society.
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  1. HAM
    HAM 11 October 2013 16: 08 New
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    Quote:
    Ukraine should try to at least get into the waiting room of the golden billion

    Why aren’t they letting the bathhouse itself?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 11 October 2013 18: 25 New
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      Quote: HAM
      Why aren’t they letting the bathhouse itself?

      She will be allowed there only for the purpose for which women are taken to the bathhouse.
      1. avt
        avt 11 October 2013 19: 16 New
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        She will be allowed there only for the purpose for which women are taken to the bathhouse.

        Yeah ,,, Singing cowards "well in ,, Sauna" performed. Well, with regards to “feudalism”, it’s all the hosyuki in the post-Soviet space began to cast castes, everything is like in the song of Trofim - ,, ... the Chekists gave free rein to the scammers, having their tambourine interest and at the same time they threw off the general swamp "gentlemen’s bast shoes, now they are in order and honor, rowing lava from a common pond."
      2. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 11 October 2013 19: 21 New
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        She will be allowed there only for the purpose for which women are taken to the bathhouse.

        Do not judge by yourself. I see that experienced.
        It is bad when degenerates can write all kinds of dirt with impunity. And someone pluses such comments.
        1. k1964
          k1964 11 October 2013 19: 55 New
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          Sorry, of course, I do not want anything bad. but apparently insulting, I wanted to go to the club of the “greats”, but they didn’t take you, even to the dressing room.
          1. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz 11 October 2013 20: 25 New
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            Quote: k1964
            Sorry, of course, I do not want anything bad. but apparently insulting, I wanted to go to the club of the “greats”, but they didn’t take you, even to the dressing room.

            Running to sleep !!! Oversleep for school tomorrow!
          2. Kolya
            Kolya 12 October 2013 02: 10 New
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            economic formation in Ukraine - collapse
      3. grafrozow
        grafrozow 11 October 2013 19: 30 New
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        ----- Is there a lot of attention to Ukraine lately? Your "Jokes" are not appropriate.
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        She will be allowed there only for the purpose for which women are taken to the bathhouse.
        I understand that you have the horizons of an advanced collective farmer — we approve, support, deepen, and obey ... Ukraine is an independent state. Whether it is like it or not, it is a state with its own government, people, economy, and even our “guarantor” understands this. Your nickname is incomprehensible, but looks like our "friends" from the south, who spit in the neighbor’s garden is a triple joy. DO NOT WAIT !!! Russia, Ukraine, Belarus- will be together, and then you will be J.O. ...
        1. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz 11 October 2013 19: 41 New
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          Quote: grafrozow
          I understand that you have the horizons of an advanced collective farmer — we approve, support, deepen, and obey ... Ukraine is an independent state. Whether it is like it or not, it is a state with its own government, people, economy, and even our “guarantor” understands this. Your nickname is incomprehensible, but looks like our "friends" from the south, who spit in the neighbor’s garden is a triple joy. DO NOT WAIT !!! Russia, Ukraine, Belarus- will be together, and then you will be J.O. ...


          Shake your hand.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 11 October 2013 20: 29 New
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          Quote: grafrozow
          DO NOT WAIT !!! Russia, Ukraine, Belarus- will be together, and then you will be J.O. ...

          They won’t be in a place, at least the West was able to bend Ukraine. To lure with promises, about paying the local elite with money, furs, greyhound puppies ... than they now take in an independent one!
          Too much is put to the collapse of the Slavs by the West and Ukraine will be accepted into the EU, even if only blacksmiths are left from industry there.
          1. atalef
            atalef 11 October 2013 20: 33 New
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            Quote: APASUS
            They won’t be in a place, at least the West was able to bend Ukraine. To lure with promises, about paying the local elite with money, furs, greyhound puppies ... than they now take in an independent one!

            And with Belarus, the question is, while this is a theater of one actor and successor on the horizon. Nobody knows how the country will turn after dad
            1. gladiatorakz
              gladiatorakz 11 October 2013 20: 55 New
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              Quote: atalef
              Quote: APASUS They won’t be in place, at least the West was able to bend Ukraine. Lure with promises, about paying the local elite with money, furs, greyhound puppies ... than they now take in independent! And with Belarus, the question is, while this is a theater of one actor and successor on the horizon. Nobody knows how the country will turn after dad

              The main thing for Russia, we are all calm! There, the Russian Spirit certainly triumphs. Do not crush Russia! In the Duma, the number of Russians will soon grow to 10 percent! The number of homosexuals in the same Duma will soon decrease to 50%. Yes to that Duma !!! Soon in Moscow, the Slavs and Slavs will be able to go through the market. Overcome addiction, alcoholism. Igehe will be canceled, everyone will start playing sports. And bribes - neither. Neither puppies nor dough. But Serdyukov and Berezovsky with Ryzhzh Ukraine slipped you. Sabotage. Although why am I for Serdyukov? He is a Hero of Russia !! Like the Kadyrovs ....
              Yes, you can not worry about Russia. Try to assert themselves by spitting in the direction of Ukraine, Belarus.
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 11 October 2013 21: 13 New
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                Quote: gladiatorakz
                . Try to assert themselves by spitting in the direction of Ukraine, Belarus.

                What did you dislike about my comment?
                Due to what we are asserting ourselves here .......
                In the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine had the second piece after Russia
                Ukraine has 20 years of independence ......
                Are we making a choice for you?
                What are you talking about?
                1. gladiatorakz
                  gladiatorakz 11 October 2013 21: 48 New
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                  Quote: APASUS
                  What did you dislike about my comment?

                  The letters are not in that order and the wrong words came out)))
                  )
                  Quote: APASUS
                  Due to what we are asserting ourselves here .......

                  At the expense of the media. Specifically the Internet.))))
                  This is your psychological mirroring. Well, for example, the legless is mocking the lameness of another person. Not exactly, but somewhere like that.
                  In the collapse of the USSR, Russia also had a larger piece. Factor of.
                  Independence. Now there is not a single independent country.
                  The choice. You do not choose for yourself, not that for us.
                  1. IGS
                    IGS 12 October 2013 00: 14 New
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                    No, dear ... we just recall the behavior of 1991, when you shouted that you do not need Russia, you feed yourself and the whole of Europe, and we are riddlers, idlers and drunkards. True, we paid the debts of the USSR. But we scrambled out, having survived the war in which your compatriots shot at the Russians, and now, not hiding, boast of it at your place, poverty, collapse, they began to rise and give you a loan, but you all about .. Blame those who hold power? Will not work. You yourself allowed her to do this, and even started to hate bringing down your rasp..vo on us, become the Baltic states. Accustomed to the USSR, like the Balts, to occupy a special place that everyone owes you, now the path that you have chosen, now you must. Time put everything in its place, we stood it, we have immunity, you do not. What will you send to sleep too, or check the spelling? laughing
                    1. gladiatorakz
                      gladiatorakz 12 October 2013 03: 38 New
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                      Quote: IGS
                      No, dear ... we just recall the behavior of 1991, when you shouted that you do not need Russia, you feed yourself and the whole of Europe, and we are riddlers, idlers and drunkards.

                      At 91m I was in Leningrad and saw a poster during the rally: Gorbachev, make Fr. feed Russia! ))))
                      I have enough common sense not to attribute that it was you who carried the poster. laughing
                      It touches your division into: you and us .... Who are you for? For countries? The nations? belay And everything is so categorical ....
                      If you talk like that, then someone shouted about something and always shouts (both in Russia and Ukraine), and someone was a drunkard and a backbone.))) And there are addicts. They can also be attributed to someone. Is it you or us?
                      I will reveal the country secret ... There are no two people alike.
                      Quote: IGS
                      True, we paid the debts of the USSR.

                      Chatter, like at a rally. Addressless, unproven, one-sided and thesis. Mix a little more - let them rake. And the 91st and debts and wars, etc. When people speak in this style I immediately remember Privoz in Odessa, how grannies swear there. And Vladimir Semenych: he broke all the brains into pieces, braided all the convolutions and the rope-teller authorities pricked us a second injection.
                      Too lazy to unsubscribe for each proposal. In a word vinigret. Your words about immunity immediately raise doubt.))))
                      I will not send you to sleep. I'll go myself. I can only say, do not look for the guilty, except yourself. Think about how to change the situation. And change.
                      1. IGS
                        IGS 13 October 2013 11: 36 New
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                        It seems you are talking
                        , do not look for the guilty, except yourself.
                        I'm just not looking for anyone. Do not confuse anything? You howl that Russia is to blame for everything.
                        It touches your division into: you and us .... Who are you for? For countries? The nations? belay And everything is so categorical ..... When people speak in this style I immediately remember Privoz in Odessa, how to swear grandmothers there.
                        And this is yours a little earlier
                        The main thing for Russia, we are all calm! There, the Russian Spirit certainly triumphs. Do not crush Russia! In the Duma, the number of Russians will soon grow to 10 percent! The number of homosexuals in the same Duma will soon decrease to 50%. Yes to that Duma !!! Soon in Moscow, the Slavs and Slavs will be able to go through the market. Overcome addiction, alcoholism.

                        Still add, a frequent patron? I tried to be correct, but since they attributed me to the bazaar with a poster, not noticing the same thing, here’s the bazaar ...: "Look better at your women, otherwise we all work part time than our alcoholics." laughing
                        Think about how to change the situation. And change.

                        What are you talking about?
                        No two people are alike.
                        Indeed, how do they get along with you? In one comment one thing, in the other the opposite, probably you yourself:
                        he broke all brains into pieces, braided all the convolutions, and the rope-teller authorities pricked us a second injection.
                        I sympathize
                  2. APASUS
                    APASUS 12 October 2013 09: 53 New
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                    Quote: gladiatorakz
                    This is your psychological mirroring. Well, for example, the legless is mocking the lameness of another person. Not exactly, but somewhere like that. In the collapse of the USSR, Russia also had a bigger piece. At times. Independence. Now there is no independent country. Choice. You do not choose for yourself, not that for us.

                    You yourself think about what you write.
                    You can’t even admit your mistakes, someone puts all the sticks in the wheels for you!
                    It seems like I and I didn’t make a decision ........... and I don’t need to write offensive libel, I myself am from Western Ukraine and I know what I'm writing about
                    1. gladiatorakz
                      gladiatorakz 12 October 2013 10: 25 New
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                      Quote: APASUS
                      You can’t even admit your mistakes, someone puts all the sticks in the wheels for you!

                      You must always acknowledge and analyze your mistakes. I always try to do this. As I understand it, you mean the mistakes of Ukraine? What do you see them in? What are some ways out of this situation? What is the forecast for the development of the situation? I'm really interested in your opinion. Only a construct. And not slogans.
                      Quote: APASUS
                      and I don’t need to write offensive libel, I myself am from Western Ukraine and I know what I'm writing about

                      Where did I write you offensive libel? I didn’t want to offend.
                      Do you think everyone who from Western Ukraine knows what they are writing about? laughing
                      Or at least see and evaluate the situation in at least one issue?
                      1. APASUS
                        APASUS 12 October 2013 13: 25 New
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                        Quote: gladiatorakz
                        As I understand it, you mean the mistakes of Ukraine? What do you see them in? What are some ways out of this situation? What is the forecast for the development of the situation? I'm really interested in your opinion

                        I consider the main problem of the country, religious separation. The country has ceased to be united in the spiritual plan. But it would be much more tolerant if Ukraine had a "national idea", even under the slogan WE ARE EUROPEAN, but it should unite.
                        The absence of at least some kind of development vector. Each president breaks the country through his knee for himself. Each sculpts it only for himself, while people are remembered only before the election, from here there are so many promises that a clever one cannot understand.
                        The lack of a coherent economic policy. All these years, the authorities dealt with Maidan, the Tymoshenko, Poroshenko case but not the economy. Hence the complete absence of coherent economic rules and laws in the country, just a paradoxical tax policy.
                        I can write here a lot of format is not enough. And about social development, medicine, education. By the way, I caught sight of a history textbook for grade 10, I was struck by the lack of half of the country. In the textbook, the text of the photograph was composed in such a way that I had the impression - Ukraine consists of Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Rivne regions.
                        What to do? I honestly don’t know. The country will not get out of economic problems on its own, but if it is sold, it will not stand aside. I think it will be accepted into the EU, but this will only be the beginning. The country can follow in the footsteps of Georgia.
                        I worked in Europe, I can say that we are not needed there in any way, nor as friends, not as competitors. In the geopolitical plan, of course, the West needs to divide eastern Europe into specific principalities (such as Kosovo) and dictate its own rules.
                        Ukraine has become hostage to the situation; it does not have a leader who will be followed by a nation, after which the people will grit their teeth against the machine.
            2. Ziksura
              Ziksura 11 October 2013 21: 25 New
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              Quote: atalef
              Belarus question,

              Yes, what a question !!!!!! Just that Belarus demanded that Russia give her the Kaliningrad region !!!!! Here is a friend !!!!! Already from whom, and so from Belarus did not expect this.
              1. old man54
                old man54 11 October 2013 22: 30 New
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                Quote: Ziksura
                Just that Belarus demanded that Russia give her the Kaliningrad region !!!!!

                Facts???? Links ???? Otherwise ... angry
                1. IGS
                  IGS 12 October 2013 00: 19 New
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                  Yes, include the program "time", there is his interview with reporters. Old Man otubuchil, understands, says that time is needed, but quickly, they would make candy from this area ...
                  1. IGS
                    IGS 12 October 2013 01: 59 New
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                    And what is the minus? what is not true? Explain. Act directly, not like ferrets. Or just out of harm?laughing
                  2. alexander 2
                    alexander 2 12 October 2013 06: 15 New
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                    No need to lie. The Old Man did not demand from Russia to give him the Kaliningrad region! He simply said that if the region was his, he would make candy out of it.
                    And I would give him this area but to the load and the rest of Russia too.
                    1. IGS
                      IGS 12 October 2013 14: 53 New
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                      Any inquiries on this topic should go to ... Give your wife also to the one who is richer, who is longer, or who is more sympathetic wassat laughing? And then he disappeared behind the flag.
                2. Ziksura
                  Ziksura 12 October 2013 22: 09 New
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                  Quote: old man54
                  Facts???? Links ???? Otherwise

                  What are the links. Turn on the TV. Cons for the truth? Yes!!!! We are progressing ...
          2. revnagan
            revnagan 11 October 2013 21: 09 New
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            Quote: APASUS
            Ukraine will be admitted to the EU even if only blacksmiths will be left from industry there.

            Ukraine will NEVER be admitted to the EU. The misunderstanding that now it is “sitting on the throne” has led to a misunderstanding with the EU accession. Only all the same, the PR ratings fell below the plinth, and if ordinary people don’t feel improvements in the economy before the next election (real growth incomes of ordinary citizens), and the fact that they don’t feel and don’t go to the grandmother, then both misunderstandings will disappear one after the other. In general, the author of the article is somewhat right. I feel like a “big one”, and I really want to lose yoke .Ready for this, even sacrifices on our part, not to mention the side new lords.
            1. Russ69
              Russ69 12 October 2013 00: 51 New
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              Quote: revnagan
              But just the same, the PR ratings fell below the plinth, and if before the next election ordinary people don’t feel any improvement in the economy (real income growth of ordinary citizens), and what they don’t feel and don’t go to the grandmother, then both misunderstandings will disappear one after another .

              The question is, who will stay? Like it or not, but all parties, the edge of the Communists are all aimed at the West.
              1. Kolya
                Kolya 12 October 2013 02: 07 New
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                They opened the werewolves with European integration! The Communists rating will increase at times. Now, if Europe gives an association with Ukraine, I will laugh at Yanukovych and the company. And they will lose the electorate and they will not take their business in euros, they’ll get better))). And some market indicators do not respond to the European integration of Ukraine, which means that there will be no real European integration of Ukraine. Fiction is everything! Speculation! Hedgehog it is clear that Europe does not need Ukraine. I don’t need to even exist! So they destroy Ukraine by speculation!
            2. O_RUS
              O_RUS 12 October 2013 02: 24 New
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              Ukraine will NEVER be accepted into the EU.

              nonetheless preparing

              "Ukrainian gays and lesbians are triumphant: their actions were noticed by Viktor Yanukovych and received quite a favorable assessment from the president."

              “It took us seven years of hard work with authorities, public opinion leaders, the media and the general public to enter the top ten most significant social movements of the country, having received recognition from the head of state,” commented the message from the president, head of the Ukrainian Gay Forum Svyatoslav Sheremet .

              “Literally immediately after our state gained independence from the Criminal Code of independent Ukraine, the infamous Sovdepov article“ for sodomy ”was excluded. In Ukraine, gays and lesbians are not criminals, which means that we cannot (for our“ non-traditional ”sexual orientation) not only to judge, but to humiliate, insult or infringe. Ukraine goes to Europe, therefore LGBT or Gay is not an insult to us either (in Europe) (just like say “fisherman”, hairdresser or “snowboarder”). "
              1. O_RUS
                O_RUS 12 October 2013 02: 27 New
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                One thing is strange: President of Ukraine V. Yanukovych, congratulating the veterans of the Great Patriotic War, bowing his head at the monuments to the Nazis and the obelisks of Glory, continues the genocidal course of reforms and is going to sign an associative membership with the European Union, in which fascism in the person of Ukrainian opposition is revived and welcomed. “Be ashamed, Mr. President!” - so it seems to us in Ukraine.

                Source: 1tv.com.ua
          3. grafrozow
            grafrozow 11 October 2013 21: 17 New
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            Quote: APASUS
            They won’t be in a place, at least the West was able to bend Ukraine. To lure with promises, about paying the local elite with money, furs, greyhound puppies ... than they now take in an independent one!

            V.S. Vysotsky, it’s not yet evening ... Russia predicted the same death and where are these "clairvoyants" now?
            1. alexander 2
              alexander 2 12 October 2013 06: 24 New
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              In my opinion, the author of the article is the same person as the one who wrote about the death of Russia.
        3. atalef
          atalef 11 October 2013 21: 13 New
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          Quote: grafrozow
          Russia, Ukraine, Belarus- will be together, and then you will be J.O. ...

          This is exactly
          President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko said that he would have built the United Arab Emirates in his country if it had not been for the need to transfer the export duty for oil products to Russia, Interfax reports.

          Kadyrov’s laurels do not let him sleep. The same was canceled.
          He wants the same piece of pipe.
        4. alone
          alone 11 October 2013 23: 39 New
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          hello count! You are undoubtedly right. Only a few have still not come to terms with this.
          and with such comments and insults they think that Ukraine and its people will run back faster. With these words, on the contrary, it is separated hourly from Russia.
        5. michajlo
          michajlo 12 October 2013 13: 18 New
          0
          Quote: grafrozow _131011 / heel
          . DO NOT WAIT !!! Russia, Ukraine, Belarus - will be together,and then you will be J.O. ...

          Hello dear Alexander!

          May I contact you?

          Your thoughts and expectations are very well and briefly expressed! good drinks

          Goodbye, Michael.
        6. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 13 October 2013 12: 43 New
          0
          Quote: grafrozow
          DO NOT WAIT !!! Russia, Ukraine, Belarus- will be together, and then you will be J.O. ...

          My nickname is the Scandinavian synonym for Igor. And if Our people finally unite, I will be happy. But the Ukrainian government behaves like a corrupt girl.
          She will be allowed there only for the purpose for which women are taken to the bathhouse.
          Do you really think that Ukraine is expected there on equal terms?
          They are waiting for use.
    2. Botanologist
      Botanologist 11 October 2013 23: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: HAM
      get into the waiting room of the golden billion


      With the idea of ​​post-industrial development of Ukraine on information technologies will be allowed only for the outskirts, neither the bathhouse nor the dressing room
      What a liberalistic nonsense on the topic of "post-industrial society" and "information technology"! I read it with real pleasure. A vivid example of a scribbler who does not even understand what he is writing about.
      1. alone
        alone 11 October 2013 23: 40 New
        +3
        I don’t know what the author wanted to keep in mind, but in my opinion such feudalism is in one way or another extended to the entire former union. as if everything in Russia or in my country is openwork. I think that the purpose of the article is just to remind the forum about Ukraine again))
    3. AVV
      AVV 11 October 2013 23: 52 New
      +4
      And the bathhouse is black, there is a lot of smoke, little heat and everything is to the touch !!! And everyone strives to pinch his bare butt !!!
    4. Civil
      Civil 12 October 2013 00: 44 New
      0
      Yeah, they’ll let them go to the bathhouse and send them to the forest :-)
    5. michajlo
      michajlo 12 October 2013 02: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: HAM
      Quote:
      Ukraine should try to at least get into the waiting room of the golden billion

      Why aren’t they letting the bathhouse itself?

      Hello dear Igor Nikolaevich!

      You are right in your irony. The article I put a big “-”.
      Problems and troubles of the modern, still naive, “My Ukraine’s Independent Ukraine” it describes quite accurately and in all parts.

      But here is a way out of this impasse threatening a SOCIAL EXPLOSION,
      the author is already in line with the modern "Kiev Euro-worship", offers crazy and very dangerous not only for Ukraine itself, but for the Russian Federation and Belarus.

      As a result, then, in addition to the already working "American biological laboratory" in eastern Ukraine will arrive NEW military experts, service personnel and military equipment, up to fighters, bombers and missiles from the USA and NATO ...

      And then, "led by Moscow" matchmaking of the "old girl of Ukraine" loving Brussels, will end with the desired result for the directors of this tragicomedy,
      а us Ukrainians will turn into "sworn enemies of Russians and Belarusians" ...

      Here, there will be no time for “firing champagne corks” either in Kiev or in Moscow and Minsk!
    6. bistrov.
      bistrov. 12 October 2013 10: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: HAM
      Why aren’t they letting the bathhouse itself?

      She didn’t come out with a snatch. Her place is only in the waiting room. Slippers, a bathrobe, a towel ... They’ll call you to the bathhouse if you need to rub the back, and so know your place.
  2. atos_kin
    atos_kin 11 October 2013 16: 45 New
    12
    “For 22 years of independence, we have built industrial feudalism with elements of capitalism as a way of life. This is neither bad nor good. This is a fact.”

    Nichr ... on you (we?) Did not build. The project "independent Ukraine" hangs like a r ... but in the "European" ice hole with an imitation of all existing and there are no economic and political structures.
  3. andrei332809
    andrei332809 11 October 2013 18: 19 New
    12
    wild, undeveloped capitalism, others use the term "oligarchic capitalism", units speak of the presence of developed capitalism in us and the beginning of the development of post-industrial society.

    but I think that the usual robbery. And not only "their", but also the "international community"
    1. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 11 October 2013 19: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: andrei332809
      but I think that the usual robbery. And not only "their", but also the "international community"

      Is it different in Russia? Why do you buy "your" gas, gasoline, wood, coal, electric fuel?
      1. k1964
        k1964 11 October 2013 19: 58 New
        +1
        what is the difference. we have it and no matter what price it is, it’s not going to be translated. but the question is yours, and if we don’t.
        1. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz 11 October 2013 20: 23 New
          +7
          Quote: k1964
          what's the difference. we have it and no matter what price it is, it’s not going to be translated. but the question is yours, and if we don’t.

          Your name is not Miller? All the gas that you specifically own and can dispose of is provided by the rear turbine. So decide: give gas or tolerate.
          Sometimes get away from the TV. Talk with your neighbors, consult. Where and how much to sell you oil, gas, forests. (it’s so funny to read this your word: we! Where in this, we, you? your family? friends?)
          1. grafrozow
            grafrozow 11 October 2013 20: 45 New
            +5
            Quote: gladiatorakz
            Quote: k1964
            what's the difference. we have it and no matter what price it is, it’s not going to be translated. but the question is yours, and if we don’t.
            Your name is not Miller? All the gas that you specifically own and can dispose of is provided by the rear turbine. So decide: give gas or tolerate.
            Sometimes get away from the TV. Talk with your neighbors, consult. Where and how much to sell you oil, gas, forests. (it’s so funny to read this your word: we! Where in this, we, you? your family? friends?)
            +++++ I shake hands with you. Photo-MR Yubileinoe, Gazprom, no comment ...
          2. xan
            xan 12 October 2013 00: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: gladiatorakz
            Sometimes get away from the TV. Talk with your neighbors, consult. Where and how much to sell you oil, gas, forests. (it’s so funny to read this your word: we! Where in this, we, you? your family? friends?)

            Speaking for the breeder, gladiator? Stop carrying bullshit, we rubbed this topic a hundred times. It seems that it really doesn’t reach you.
            1. gladiatorakz
              gladiatorakz 12 October 2013 03: 45 New
              0
              Quote: xan
              Speaking for the breeder, gladiator? Stop carrying bullshit, we rubbed this topic a hundred times. It seems that it really doesn’t reach you.

              The nonsense of your comment does not reach me.
        2. revnagan
          revnagan 11 October 2013 21: 14 New
          +5
          Quote: k1964
          but the question is yours, and if we don’t.

          Dear K1964, well, please give me gas, otherwise there’s nothing to cook soup on laughing I hope that my money for gas will go directly to your pocket, bypassing Gazprom and so on.
      2. grafrozow
        grafrozow 11 October 2013 20: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: gladiatorakz
        Is it different in Russia? Why do you buy "your" gas, gasoline, wood, coal, electric fuel?
        Today's price, A-95 37.30 rubles. DT-37.60 rubles. Gas-4220 rubles per 1000 cubic meters. we don’t drown with coal, the "gas pantry" of the Motherland, as our YNAO is called. hi
      3. andrei332809
        andrei332809 11 October 2013 21: 29 New
        +8
        Quote: gladiatorakz
        Is it different in Russia?

        no, the same thing, only in a beautiful package, with the words "please" and "thank you".
        like that:
        the mayor’s grandson was born. give him a house in the conservation area.
        -uh, we will increase the prices for utilities (gasoline, gas, whatever). Citizens, pay, PLEASE, bills on time! THANKS.
        Well, as it so
  4. Rat Novgorod
    Rat Novgorod 11 October 2013 18: 32 New
    +4
    But how can I make money on the Internet? For example, I didn’t pay for anything in tyrnet for anything)) I think so. so who pays? Mr. Once the truth was. the viral banner on the desktop got out and it is written send SMS then the banner disappear gg. Rolled back the system and everything is fine. Is it so typical to earn in tyrnet?
  5. GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 11 October 2013 18: 33 New
    +6
    Ukraine has large natural and human resources, but in view of 20 years of economic, political and demographic crisis, Ukraine is rapidly losing its position. The policy of the Ukrainian government to join the EU is suicidal. Moreover, Ukrainian goods will not withstand competition with European ones, RUSSIA will pursue a protection policy of their economic interests, which means that additional duties will be introduced, etc. etc. This EU accession policy will also ruin the defense industry of Ukraine, as NATO and Europe do not need Ukrainian military equipment.
    It is clear that the government of Ukraine sits all sorts of pro-Western liberals. And how does the Earth endure these reptiles? It would not be a pity to shoot them all. am
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 11 October 2013 21: 00 New
      0
      Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
      20 years of economic, political and demographic crisis, Ukraine is rapidly losing its position. The policy of the Ukrainian government to join the EU is suicidal.
      Ibrahim, did you happen to graduate from the Higher School of Economics? Deep knowledge of the economy is simply surprising, Karl Marx predicted an imminent death of capitalism, and the result? Maybe it’s too early to bury Ukraine?
      Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
      Shoot them all do not mind
      You shoot in your mountains, here, as it’s not customary to show your fists from around the corner. If you are so brave, go to Ukraine with a berdanka, help restore order ... laughing
    2. Oleg Kharkov
      Oleg Kharkov 11 October 2013 21: 09 New
      +6
      Well, which EU? The next free trade zone, into which Ukraine has already joined immeasurably, is simply called a little differently: association. I do not understand this gentle and reverent attention to so much ordinary event. Still here with Turkey Ukraine is going to sign the FTZ, also need to worry? Look at how many of these Free Trade Zones with Russia have already been signed and not one is working. Well, you can still remember the WTO, from which there is just as much sense.
      1. xan
        xan 12 October 2013 00: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Oleg Kharkov
        Well, which EU? The next free trade zone, into which Ukraine has already joined immeasurably, is simply called a little differently: association.

        I agree.
        No one will do anything for Ukrainians and Russians.
        The Russians themselves are trying to do something, they suggested Ukrainians do it together.
        Ukrainians decided to Europe.
        There is nothing wrong with Russia.
        1. O_RUS
          O_RUS 12 October 2013 02: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: xan
          Ukrainians decided to Europe.


          The Verkhovna Rada will not slow down the ratification of the agreement with the European Union.

          At present, the deputies have the task of timely reviewing the fundamental European integration bills, ”said Speaker Vladimir Ribak. In particular, on judicial reform and election changes. The conclusions of the Venice Commission regarding these documents have just arrived, the parliament will vote. To date, 15 key laws for European integration have already been adopted.

          Volodymyr Ribak, Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine:

          - If in seven weeks in Vilnius the hopes of Ukrainian supporters of European integration come true, BP will have every reason to be proud of its contribution to the fateful geopolitical choice of our dera.
          http://1tv.com.ua
  6. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 11 October 2013 18: 45 New
    17
    Almost everything that is written in the article, ostensibly, about Ukraine applies to Russia.
    1. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 11 October 2013 18: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Almost everything that is written in the article, ostensibly, about Ukraine applies to Russia.

      No Dear, this applies to Ukraine and to RUSSIA.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 11 October 2013 18: 52 New
      +6
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Almost everything that is written in the article, allegedly about Ukraine, applies to Russia

      Unfortunately, I agree ...
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 11 October 2013 19: 29 New
        +5
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Unfortunately, I agree ...

        Then your comment about the use of women in a bathhouse applies equally to Russia?
        1. Panikovsky
          Panikovsky 11 October 2013 20: 27 New
          0
          and you, or soar in the clouds, or live in the end-zaspe. or not in Ukraine.
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 13 October 2013 12: 55 New
          -1
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          Then your comment about the use of women in a bathhouse applies equally to Russia?

          Read carefully. This koment refers to the state of the economy as a whole. and Russia is not breaking into the European Union and NATO.
      2. Panikovsky
        Panikovsky 11 October 2013 20: 24 New
        +3
        but I do not agree. in Ukraine everything is very bad. I live here.
        1. GastaClaus69
          GastaClaus69 12 October 2013 00: 21 New
          +1
          Looks like you have not been to countries where it is really VERY bad!
          1. xan
            xan 12 October 2013 01: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: GastaClaus69
            Looks like you have not been to countries where it is really VERY bad!

            Are you hinting that Ukraine has a lot to strive for?
            Honduran GDP per capita has already been achieved.
            1. GastaClaus69
              GastaClaus69 12 October 2013 01: 51 New
              +1
              I hint that you need to sprinkle salt on the earth and migrate Italo-Spain-Canada-Brazil together as lemmings together like lemmings! There is always something to strive for unless of course there are not two meters of land above you and a wooden lid. This was an economic miracle in Japan, but we have a slow, very slow snail that slowly climbs out of the swamp. I understand what everyone wants right away from the dirt and riches, but this happens rarely and not with us! All the same, the set hour is better than 45, the beginning of the 90s. Ukrainians didn’t worry so much, we’ll tolerate nothing when we don’t have a holiday on our street!
              1. xan
                xan 13 October 2013 21: 54 New
                -1
                Quote: GastaClaus69
                Ukrainians didn’t worry so much, we’ll tolerate nothing when we don’t have a holiday on our street!

                there is little to endure. Need constructive activity, can you give examples besides the activities of Khmelnitsky?
                One or two generations of labor enthusiasm are needed for a meager pay, when they pay more in the nearest abroad. So the miracle of South Korea and Japan definitely does not shine for you. You would at least have a miracle in Turkey, but you do not have such an elite.
  7. densh
    densh 11 October 2013 18: 55 New
    13
    The article is a rare nonsense. We have not been attributed to us, except perhaps for ritual cannibalism. The general situation in our country, like in Russia, is somewhere worse and somewhere better. AUTHOR-MINUS, due to the lack of basic common sense. fool
    1. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 11 October 2013 20: 31 New
      +2
      Yes, a lot of nonsense has been written down, agrees with you, but the leitmotif is more or less fair.
      1. densh
        densh 11 October 2013 21: 09 New
        +2
        A similar article can be written about any country. Everything depends on the author’s imagination, and then elves with mushrooms in the forest and bears with balalaikas come out ... stop
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 11 October 2013 22: 31 New
      +3
      Only in Russia they work, and not 100500 parties organize.
    3. xan
      xan 12 October 2013 00: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: densh
      The general situation with us, as in Russia, is somewhere worse, somewhere better

      Purely for information, where Ukraine is better than in Russia?
  8. Altona
    Altona 11 October 2013 18: 58 New
    12
    So the above article applies not only to Ukraine, all these elements are present in Russia and in the post-Soviet space in general, with some reservations ... The point is that separatist sentiments prevailed 25 years ago, which were supported by the regional elite of the CPSU and the Komsomol, who were interested to steer by ourselves, without an all-union center ... As a result, we have what we have, nepotism and small-town parity in its purest form, some vestiges of the Soviet system that are easily interwoven with the current new feudalism ... If you look formally, then yes Ukraine is an independent state and has the right to decide where to go ... If you look sensibly, you need to somehow unite on a common basis ... Because only large entities have a competitive advantage and can build capacity ... As long as there is a dumb dialogue for capital, industrial or raw ... Raw materials are beneficial for the WTO and the EU, industrialists for the TS ... I don’t care for ordinary people, because they don’t care about earnings anyway, and they seem to promise more in the EU, visas will be canceled at least for guests workers from Ukraine ... Rights Teli states are lobbying the interests of capital or by discussions of Russian-Ukrainian friendship, or vice versa, "Moscow gas noose" ...
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 11 October 2013 21: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      The simple people don’t care at all, because they don’t care about earnings, and it seems like they promise more in the EU, visas will be canceled at least for guest workers from Ukraine ... The rulers of the states lobby for the interests of capital or for talking about Russian-Ukrainian friendship, or vice versa, the "gas stranglehold of Moscow" ...

      +++++ Add nothing.
    2. xan
      xan 12 October 2013 00: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Altona
      Because only large entities have a competitive advantage and can build capacity

      This is one of the reasons why Russia proposed the FTA to Ukraine.
      But Ukraine does not need an economy, but a "civilizational choice."
    3. michajlo
      michajlo 12 October 2013 13: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      So the above in the article applies not only to Ukraine, ...The point is that 25 years ago separatist sentiments prevailed, supported by the regional elite of the CPSU and the Komsomol, who were interested to steer by themselves, without an all-Union0 center ... While there is a dumb dialogue, tied to capital-industrial or raw ... Raw materials are beneficial for the WTO and the EU, industrialists-TS ... Ordinary people in principle do not care, because he does not care wander about earnings, and it seems like they promise more in the EU, visas will be canceled at least for guest workers from Ukraine ... The rulers of the states lobby for the interests of capital either under the talk of Russian-Ukrainian friendship, or vice versa the "gas stranglehold of Moscow" ...

      Hello dear Eugene!
      May I contact you?

      Why do you think that CHANGE wanted some leaders of the Communist Party and the Komsomol?
      How do you think whether the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Komsomol could itself without the GUIDING actions and instructions of our "glorious and crystal clear KGB", replenish with TRAITORS and ALCHIC subchikami ?, who organized coherent and marching coups in socialist countries (over 7 months in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Romania) and the last one fell the most persistent of them, the GDR with the “collapse of the Berlin Wall” ?!

      And everywhere there were television cameras, “live reports” from the scene, where journalists “actually fired their reports into their power, which for some reason, did not want to get rid of” ?!

      And there were enough self-defense and self-cleaning forces, sister-daughters of the KGB and the GRU in each socialist country / member of the police department, just like the “POWERFUL Union” in 1991? fool

      How could you explain the “logical non-correspondences” described by me? what

      Goodbye, Michael.
  9. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 11 October 2013 18: 59 New
    11
    Maybe here the answer lies. Not only that, from there, there are also bandits to boot.
    The third decade has been the same thing, with varying success, hanging out at the top and robbing, robbing. The entire vertical of power is built according to the system, from the president to the janitor, steal. One half of the country was seized, the last half-broom. Who cares about natural and human resources. Who thinks about the political, economic, demographic crisis. The bandits seized power? Do not tell my Turkish slippers. They all have a second citizenship, a castle and a villa. They complete all the incomplete things and ... blow them to the promised land under their slogan "AFTER US THOUGH THE FLOOD". These are the Ukrainian realities.
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 12 October 2013 02: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      Maybe here the answer lies. ... They complete all the incomplete things and ... blow them to the promised land under their slogan "AFTER US THOUGH THE FLOOD". These are the Ukrainian realities.

      Hello dear Yuri!

      May I contact you? Thank you for the "laid out pie charts" on the national composition of Ukrainian citizens and "lords"!
      Anyone with eyes and a head will understand everything. Well, naive ones, even if they continue to look more closely at the ombo box, “breakthroughs forward” of our country ...

      Good night, Michael.
  10. knn54
    knn54 11 October 2013 19: 19 New
    10
    - The whole territory of Ukraine is divided according to the type of duchies and counties into spheres of influence of oligarchs and watchers.
    The Government of Azarov recognized that all the capital in Ukraine went to the “right hands” of 50 families. The remaining 46 million citizens received virtually nothing. The country is finally sold out to local (and foreign oligarchs) and the people will become cheap, but relatively skilled labor.
    Yanukovych is a candidate from the industrial and export capital of Donbass and the South-East of Ukraine, Tymoshenko is trade and import capital, Tigipko is the oligarch himself, a representative of the financial oligarchy. Yatsenyuk is the stalnik of gas tycoon Firtash. But we can safely forget about the left idea of ​​European social democracy.
    -Great RUSSIA: No Dear, this applies to Ukraine and RUSSIA.
    The Yankees have a large share of tax revenue in state budgets. In Russia and Ukraine, almost everything goes to the central budget, which is used by oligarchs who stupidly appropriate natural resources for almost a ball, using their proximity to the nomenclature, and whose incomes (unlike the same West) are an order of magnitude higher than the total budget of the country . And in the USA, a significant part of capital is invested in the American economy itself, while in Russia even the STATE Stabilization Fund works in the USA.
    1. Kurkin
      Kurkin 11 October 2013 19: 51 New
      +5
      All of us, Slav brothers, are in bondage! Everyone knows, sees and understands everything, but they endure diligently and expect something! First, we came up with the mythical Tataromongol yoke, and now they have imposed the real "Western Anglo-Saxon"!
  11. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 11 October 2013 19: 39 New
    +2
    When have such analyzers settled down with their articles about Ukraine? Journalism completely ceased to be combined with Conscience. And all in one style. Form public opinion. Profitable to whom? Russia? Ukraine? to hell ..... So when you write your comments, think on whose mill you pour water.
    1. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 11 October 2013 21: 17 New
      +5
      and why, in fact, should someone calm down? there is a free tribune, observe only the rules with which I agreed. so my conscience, attitude and worldview suggests that the so-called. Ukraine is breathing in and out of breath. when I lived in the great country of the USSR, I was proud of Ukraine, now I have nothing to be proud of. it’s good that my second-in-law and my daughter live in Norilsk and are Russian citizens, it’s good that my sister is married and lives in Kaluga. In 2009, my sister again became a mother in 41. guys, I draw your attention to who in Ukraine will allow himself such a thing, if he is not wealthier, a bribe-read official.
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 11 October 2013 22: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Panikovsky
        and why, in fact, should someone calm down? there is a free tribune, observe only the rules with which I agreed. so my conscience, attitude and worldview suggests that the so-called. Ukraine is breathing in and out of breath. when I lived in the great country of the USSR, I was proud of Ukraine, now I have nothing to be proud of. it’s good that my second-in-law and my daughter live in Norilsk and are Russian citizens, it’s good that my sister is married and lives in Kaluga. In 2009, my sister again became a mother in 41. guys, I draw your attention to who in Ukraine will allow himself such a thing, if he is not wealthier, a bribe-read official.

        Deja vu. Or was this comment under a different nickname?
        1.Ukraine, Russia- is written with a capital letter.
        2. About a beloved woman, even an ex-woman, to say a second-hand woman - is amazing for me. To put it mildly.
        3. Further continuous confusion. No comments.
      2. GastaClaus69
        GastaClaus69 12 October 2013 00: 34 New
        0
        Only one question: why do you still live in this dying-catching-up state? If you have not taken place in life, do not be a thread about this be a man !!!
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 13 October 2013 13: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: GastaClaus69
          Only one question: why do you still live in this dying-catching-up state? If you have not taken place in life, do not be a thread about this be a man !!!

          His homeland is there, you see. There are people who relate to the motherland as mothers. Plus him.
          1. michajlo
            michajlo 13 October 2013 17: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: GastaClaus69
            Only one question: why do you still live in this dying-catching-up state? If you have not taken place in life, do not be a thread about this be a man !!!

            His homeland is there, you see. There are people who relate to the motherland as mothers. Plus him.

            Hello Igor!

            Your remark about the MOTHERLAND (of each of us) is very correct. good drinks
            To remember her, to be interested in and hurt her, it is necessary for all her SONS, but alas, not everyone is given this.

            And love for the motherland should not be blind or forgiving, and good wishes from the heart and criticism they are ALWAYS to the place.

            Well, if anyone has real opportunities to help her (and her native village, school, hospital, church, nursing home), then such SONS of the fatherland can only be praised, especially when they help disinterestedly without desire to show off on TV or on the pages of newspapers and magazines.

            I wish you a pleasant stay the rest of the weekend, Mikhailo.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 13 October 2013 17: 32 New
              +1
              Thank. You too, Mikhailo. drinks
  12. rpek32
    rpek32 11 October 2013 19: 41 New
    +5
    I'll just leave it here. I think you will understand why:

    A little off topic:
    Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko proposed giving the Kaliningrad region of Belarus and promised to make a blooming land there, Interfax reported on Friday.
    “I say often - give us the Kaliningrad region. We will plow every hectare, weave every hundred square meters of land and make it a blooming land, ”the agency quoted the Belarusian president as saying during a press conference for Russian media in Minsk. The head of the republic emphasized that he does not pretend to pick up Kaliningrad tomorrow. “But if it were possible, then with pleasure,” he said.
    more details on Forbes.ru: http://www.forbes.ru/news/246101-lukashenko-predlozhil-otdat-kaliningradskuyu-ob
    last-belorussii
  13. sashka
    sashka 11 October 2013 20: 01 New
    +4
    And we have a different ..? The cartoon explains the state policy .. The lady "hung up" in twiitter, the presentation somewhere with her stupid plans is "hanging around". Fuck ..
  14. k1964
    k1964 11 October 2013 20: 12 New
    -3
    interesting, here's the question. I constantly read that, supposedly, our aligarchs plundered all the natural resources of Russia. but damn it every time it’s funny to read the next post, they immediately write that Russia lives only at the expense of its natural wealth. Well gentlemen, you’ll somehow decide. to be honest, let me be condemned, but do not care about Ukraine. To be honest, she does not need FIG in IMHO. but when someone writes to me from Ukraine some h..n, and says that my president ................. I (even if it is), but I will tear it.
    about Ukraine, yes, let’s go, they don’t think about mice when they are used in experiments. let there be an experiment. but in general, if Ukrainian economists suggested that they need 160 billion. and they’ll get 700 million. Who doesn’t know how to turn on the calculator.
  15. individual
    individual 11 October 2013 20: 12 New
    +3
    A western bathhouse needs Ukraine - to submit slippers in the dressing room.
    This, according to Ukrainians, is a big step in introducing their European civilization. fellow
    To each his own.
  16. VADIMKRSK
    VADIMKRSK 11 October 2013 20: 16 New
    +3
    Society of Free Information Intellectuals? Some kind of nonsense ... All of Ukraine will be sitting in huts with computers, and stupid, yes, Europeans will bring bread, lard and gorilka?
  17. zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 11 October 2013 20: 41 New
    +8
    The photo on the screen saver is a classic.
    Association is my homeland.
    Let those who wish evil to my country go through the woods !!!!!
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 11 October 2013 21: 11 New
      +4
      one vote against
      I wonder who the bastard who wants evil in my country?
      stsit confess even online ... wimps ...
  18. bubla5
    bubla5 11 October 2013 20: 43 New
    +3
    I’m not interested, the same situation in any of the former republics, a handful of crooks got wealth, and the population is presented with the idea of ​​the immorality of Europeans, which we accept
  19. VADIMKRSK
    VADIMKRSK 11 October 2013 20: 47 New
    +3
    There was a word, well, let the Russians. I myself am like that. Stupidly laughed when a friend took fat to Ukraine from Siberia ...
    1. densh
      densh 11 October 2013 21: 18 New
      +5
      Fat, it is different. wink
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 11 October 2013 21: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: densh
        Fat, it is different.

        eeeh, five fingers thick, yes with meat veins winked
        "I change a 2 * 3 carpet to a fat of the same size" fellow
      2. GastaClaus69
        GastaClaus69 12 October 2013 00: 38 New
        +4
        Only in Ukraine is it the best !!
  20. old man54
    old man54 11 October 2013 21: 23 New
    +3
    Over the past 22 years, there has been a discussion in the media about the modern definition of the economic formation that exists in Ukraine

    But what they did in 90's in Russia, and now they support and develop in every possible way, I’m talking about the state building, didn’t try to qualify, huh? I will help - state thieves oligarchic-corruption capitalism!negative Or the same media do not pay $ for this? Already tired of the Ukrainian brotherly people to spread rot! The muzzle itself is in shit all the way to the top, but over the Little Russians we joke regularly! It's disgusting to even read! FROMtatya minus !!! angry
  21. Tukm
    Tukm 11 October 2013 21: 28 New
    10
    Hello everyone. Russian, Ukrainian, Dagestan, Italian, what's the difference. He is a man and a man in Africa, and he is Honduras.
    I lived in childhood in the Zaporizhzhya region, now I live in the Moscow region. Honestly, I'm glad that fate transferred me to Russia. I lived there at a time when I still did not understand what nationality was.
    I was friends with the guys, there were no nationalities there, but then I did not understand what nationality was. I don’t know if I can bring the thought to the right thing, but all the negativity in a person about nationality comes with the time of his growing up and penetrating into thought all kinds of information sources: the Internet, TV, radio. Each of these sources has little effect on awareness. Now I don’t intersect with the Ukrainians in any way, but from the sources I’m constantly talking some crap about them, but my opinion remains the same, the Ukrainian is the same as the Russian, and there are not many differences there. Because I lived there and I understand that I am no different from the guys living in the Moscow region, although I lived half my life in Ukraine, and I also understand that I am no different from the Ukrainian guys.
    This is me about nationalities, if something is not clear, I'm sorry, but I think so.
    Why am I glad that I live in Russia, because, I understand that if I lived in Ukraine, then I would not get anything that I have now. I study in a good university, I have a job that I like. And everyone in Russia has the opportunity to get it, that is, to live more or less well. Now I compare those guys who stayed in Ukraine, but they live, but they have not so many opportunities. One, he works at the mine as a driver, there is no progress, it's not good or good, I just compare, the other chef also lives, but there are no prospects, 5 people are 100 percent, I know this is just what I know, drug addicts, one mother, just like I went from there to Germany, here he also has prospects.
    In a word, I compare, and I understand that Ukraine has lagged behind Russia for 20 years.
    Who does not agree, sorry, this is my opinion.
    Even when I lived in Ukraine, there was never hot water in the city there, although 20 km from this city, the city of Energodar, which has a nuclear power plant, which gives a lot of energy, in my opinion the largest in Europe. Where I live now, I have hot water, I just compare it, although there is no atomic one nearby.
    Ukraine, I think in its location, climate is comparable to Spain, of course colder, but still the land is very fertile. In the Zaporizhzhya region, they still use for me the grandiose projects that they created in the USSR, how amazingly they made canals for irrigation of the land there, no matter what, everything turned into food, huge orchards used to be cherries, apples, peaches, apricot. There is such a village Burchak, so there they went to their gardens, everyone came from Moscow, bought fruit and traded with Moscow, this was around 95. People went to the garden to pick fruit, for this they also got fruit, they came to the refrigerator, a place to trade, everyone who worked in the garden, and in a matter of hours sold their products for cash, everyone was happy, in the summer the whole Zaporizhzhya region worked there.
    In general, life was, I would say not bad.
    Now it’s a quiet horror, the engineer at the Zaporizhzhya plant are familiar, he can’t give credit for the car, he was reduced, he does not know what to do.
    Now Ukraine is squandering the benefits that were created in the past by hard workers,
    Not Russia, or Ukraine, it all created, it is not necessary to accept what was created, as if it created some kind of state, then people living in Ukraine did it, that is, all those who lived in 60-80 in Ukraine did it, that is, grandfathers who are now they live their life there. Everyone did it, people came from all over the USSR, because at that time it was considered a fertile land. Amazing climate, magnificent nature, land that can feed the whole world.
    Now in my opinion it does not work much.
    In short the confusion.
    But in fact, it’s a shame that some Mr. ... all this is sifting.
    1. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 11 October 2013 21: 38 New
      -7
      thanks, as far as you personally are concerned, that’s enough. go on and on, the road is there for you.
      1. Tukm
        Tukm 11 October 2013 21: 45 New
        +6
        Panikovsky did not seem to insult anyone. You are the waffle.
        1. Panikovsky
          Panikovsky 12 October 2013 17: 51 New
          -1
          you bullshit yourself.
  22. Ash
    Ash 11 October 2013 21: 57 New
    +2
    And I would divide economic formations into two types: the appropriating economy and the labor economy. The appropriating one is the market one, and the labor one is planned. When the government is not interested, it will organize a market (bazaar) instead of the economy. the leader is happy for his people, he cares about the fair distribution of the income of workers according to the efforts they make, regardless of the price of bananas in any Honduras. So is it not all the same how rulers rob their peoples, either according to Yanukovych or Putin? The result is the same: in the capital, the bartender receives many times more than an assistant professor in a provincial university, for example.
  23. Avenger711
    Avenger711 11 October 2013 22: 38 New
    +6
    Post-industrial society bypassing the industrial. Damn, this is such enchanting nonsense that even Svidomo rest. What, 20 million Internet users can produce something? There is no postindustrial society, because everyone needs to eat something, it’s just that at some VERY HIGH level of development of production, it becomes possible to distinguish more people in the service sector. But this does not threaten Ukraine, because there is still a post-apocalyptic system when there is no work and everyone lives in resales and gardens.
  24. rugor
    rugor 11 October 2013 23: 11 New
    +4
    In western Ukraine, the people eat the last horseradish with salt, who sits on the farm, and the rest on earnings. In Europe, they are working for a penny. And before there was a fertile land. In Soviet times, you come from Russia as abroad.
  25. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 11 October 2013 23: 20 New
    +4
    Cool smile Although there is a need to cry ...
  26. Arkan
    Arkan 11 October 2013 23: 53 New
    +2
    The industry and agriculture are devastating. The author of the article encourages shit on the network to shove.
    "... And so, when he hatches out all kinds of hallucinations and engages in cleaning his sheds - with his direct business - the devastation will disappear by itself."
  27. netishunUA
    netishunUA 12 October 2013 01: 18 New
    +3
    Soon, Military Review will be renamed to Survey of Ukraine.
  28. alexander 2
    alexander 2 12 October 2013 01: 25 New
    +1
    The facts are mostly true not only for Ukraine but also for Russia. Conclusions are complete nonsense.
  29. edmed
    edmed 12 October 2013 06: 38 New
    0
    hi I read the article and the comments. The infectious ward during acute diarrhea, the "younger" and the "senior", throwing themselves at each other argue who stinks more, although both are in the same "product", though the "younger" comforts itself with hope, " They promised, they will translate into a "general" and then ... "Article - Yes, IMHO, this applies to all the former republics of the USSR, the structure is" master-clerk-serf ".
  30. pamero
    pamero 12 October 2013 07: 28 New
    +2
    110 families in Russia own 70% of Russia's assets; this is 2% of the country's population 2 840 000 people The rest of the population of Russia is only 2% of the wealth of the motherland. And 28% is the collective property of citizens. Why is Russia better than Ukraine?
  31. pamero
    pamero 12 October 2013 07: 31 New
    0
    And Military Review constantly discusses politics. Is this the subject of the resource? What for? Why not discuss military science? Experience in conducting ground operations in modern conditions., Prospects for improving tactics.
  32. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 13 October 2013 11: 12 New
    0
    Photography is super!