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Ukrainian Foreign Ministry commented on the data of the media about the "illegal" weapons of the Black Sea Fleet

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Ukrainian Foreign Ministry commented on the data of the media about the "illegal" weapons of the Black Sea Fleet

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine is aware of attempts to rearm the Black Sea fleet Russia and calls on the Russian military not to violate Ukrainian laws, said the head of the Foreign Ministry’s Information Policy Department, Yevgeny Perebeynos, commenting on media reports on the transport of new weapons by the Russian military to the Black Sea Fleet.


"We are aware of the cases referred to in the article" Mirrors of the week. " In each situation, the Foreign Ministry took the necessary political and diplomatic measures, ”said the Foreign Ministry spokesman.

According to him, the Ukrainian side acts in strict accordance with national legislation and the provisions of international obligations, in particular, on the basis of basic agreements on the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, reports Ukrainska Pravda with reference to Interfax.

“We understand that the functioning on the territory of Ukraine of such a complex mechanism as the Black Sea Fleet may be confronted with“ non-staff ”situations. However, we draw the attention of Russian servicemen who serve in the units of the Black Sea Fleet in the territory, I stress, the friendly state of Ukraine, to the need for strict compliance with and respect for its legislation, ”Perebeynos stressed.

He recalled that Kiev has repeatedly declared its readiness to negotiate with the Russian side on any, even acute and painful topics.

“In particular, we are constantly working to improve the existing bilateral legal framework concerning the principles and conditions of the temporary stay of the Russian Black Sea Fleet on the territory of Ukraine,” he added.

However, according to the representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Kiev proceeds from the positions of constructiveness, mutual respect and consideration of national interests.

He also noted that the Foreign Ministry of Ukraine opposes the excessive politicization of this process for its success in the context of developing relations with all international partners of Ukraine.

In early October, “The Mirror of the Week. Ukraine ”in the article“ Rearmament on the sly ”gave several examples of the importation of new types of weapons by servicemen of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, in particular, the BTR-82AM - a new modification of the BTR-80 armored personnel carrier base for the Russian Armed Forces.

According to the newspaper, in the middle of February, the landing ship Azov, in violation of the laws and procedures, brought the BTR-2013AM from Novorossiysk to Sevastopol in violation of laws and procedures. The equipment stayed on board the Azov for about a week, and then a few hours before the arrival of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu in the military town of the Marines, the armored personnel carrier was taken to the 82-th brigade of the military Black Sea Fleet.

“At the official level, the command of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation recognized the fact of the illegal importation of armored vehicles into the territory of Ukraine only in April,” notes Mirror of the Week.

The second example of “violation of bilateral agreements on the Black Sea Fleet of Russia,” which the publication cites, is the illegal entry into Ukraine of a new vessel of the Black Sea Fleet. This, according to the newspaper, occurred at the end of April, the new-generation RB-389 raid tug was transported from Novorossiysk to Sevastopol. The purpose of the arrival was the repair.

“However, after standing for a short time at the berth, the new equipment of the auxiliary fleet of the Black Sea Fleet set to work, being actively involved in towing Russian warships and ships in the waters of Sevastopol,” the newspaper writes.

As stated in the article, the X-NUMX of May, the RB-7, was already involved in the re-mooring of the ship's personnel to the parade in preparation for the celebration of the 389-th anniversary of the founding of the Black Sea Fleet.

The latest incident, according to the publication, occurred on September 11. The caravan of Black Sea Fleet vessels, in particular the rescue tug SB-4 and the diving vessel VM-86, attempted to enter the sea gates of Ukraine without permission.

Kiev was outraged and demanded that the caravan leave the waters of Ukraine. After reconciliation of the problem issue between the Foreign Ministries of the two countries 14, September, the rescue tug SB-4 and the VM-86 diving vessel already legally entered Sevastopol for repairs, however, as the newspaper noted, “it is possible that the SB-4 and VM-86 will remain on a permanent residence permit in the Sevastopol bays ".

It should be noted that representatives of the Russian Ministry of Defense stated in April that Ukraine was preventing the re-equipment of the Black Sea Fleet.

According to the adviser to the General Staff of Russia, the ex-commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Admiral Igor Kasatonov, the ships were replaced under contracts and agreements.

“That is, the number of (Russian ships) is not increasing. And this is the main thing indicated by the Russian side. Ukraine is on the point of view that the parameters of these (new) ships are significantly superior to the old, they say, this is a separate system and separate negotiations, and the topic is semi-blocked, ”said Kasatonov. The admiral added that these obstacles relate to ships, airplanes, and other types weapons.

According to Kasatonov, the negotiations are going on very hard, no special progress happened even after the visit to Moscow of the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Dmitry Salamatin. “Ukraine stands on such positions - let it all gradually become obsolete when it falls apart, then there will be another formulation of the question. The Ukrainian side has its own point of view and its own approach, ”the Russian admiral emphasized.

The high-ranking representative of the Ministry of Defense of Russia agreed with him. He said that "the current Ukrainian leadership, as was the case under President Viktor Yushchenko, insists that this activity can be carried out only with the permission and under the control of the Ukrainian authorities."

He laid on the Ukrainian side the responsibility for delaying the negotiations on the preparation of agreements “necessary to ensure the normal functioning of the Black Sea Fleet”.
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  1. leon-iv
    leon-iv 9 October 2013 09: 48 New
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    Thinking what a buddha when new frigates come?
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 9 October 2013 10: 05 New
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      Thinking what a buddha when new frigates come?

      ..Massive suicide in the egg-headed government and supporters of the Lvov-Bendery opposition .... am
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 October 2013 10: 14 New
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      Quote: leon-iv
      Thinking what a buddha when new frigates come?

      They will come and stand at the pier of the Russian city of Sevastopol!
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 9 October 2013 10: 21 New
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        Would soon come. Can dig a dig and frigates to drag Crimea closer to us? What good disappears? And connect Novorossiysk.
      2. Quiet
        Quiet 9 October 2013 10: 43 New
        +6
        They will come and stand at the pier of the Russian city of Sevastopol!

        And the whole city will wash them !!!! drinks drinks laughing
      3. The comment was deleted.
        1. morpex
          morpex 9 October 2013 20: 15 New
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          Quote: AVV
          Sevastopol is a city of Russian glory,

          And does anyone argue with this? It’s just necessary to add that both Ukrainians and other “non-Russian” peoples have laid their heads a little, increasing this glory!

          Quote: AVV
          for Outskirts

          Put your own causticity in a water place and respect the country and its inhabitants. Do not be compared to any kind of banderlog ...

          Quote: AVV
          . Read carefully gentlemen all historical documents and arrangements

          What are you talking about? Russia was the first to guarantee the integrity of Ukraine. And as far as I know, Sevastopol is located in Ukraine.
          Quote: AVV
          And all the sticks that you insert into the wheels, then you will come back very seriously !!!

          Rearm! Do not pay attention to what our media are barking. We will only be glad that there is a strong fleet of friendly power at hand. As far as I know, no one puts any sticks, besides selling magazines on both sides. And about the “get the hang of it” Can the uncle threaten to hara already? Do not blow the air in vain. ..
      4. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 9 October 2013 11: 23 New
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        Oh how well said, but somehow politically incorrect, they will still think that you sow discord among the fraternal peoples.
      5. Alexander D.
        Alexander D. 9 October 2013 22: 51 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: leon-iv
        Thinking what a buddha when new frigates come?

        They will come and stand at the pier of the Russian city of Sevastopol!

        And what, was the news about renaming Novorossiysk to Sevastopol? Moscow - New Vasyuki? good
    3. vkrav
      vkrav 9 October 2013 10: 21 New
      +1
      And they all the Navy in protest will flood at the entrance to the Sevastopol Bay - all three rusty barges and igniting in addition. laughing
    4. seller trucks
      seller trucks 9 October 2013 10: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: leon-iv
      Thinking what a buddha when new frigates come?



      yes, if this is what causes fear among Ukrainians, then what can we say if it comes more seriously, but in general, the memory of the untimely "gone" Uman, alive in Ukraine, is insulting, yes.

      Diving vessel BM-86
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 9 October 2013 11: 52 New
        +3
        And it will be possible for El President Yanukovych to immediately smear the anus with an asterisk when such a handsome man enters Sevastopol
        1. NauruS
          NauruS 9 October 2013 20: 54 New
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          But did the project 20380 corvettes intend to send to the Black Sea Fleet? if I'm not mistaken they all go to the Baltic Fleet !!
  2. Quiet
    Quiet 9 October 2013 09: 49 New
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    The worst animal in the world - FROW - how many people strangled !!!!
    1. morpex
      morpex 9 October 2013 20: 19 New
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      Quote: Quiet
      The worst animal in the world - FROW - how many people strangled !!!!

      There is also HERE and PRIDE. And it’s worse than TOAD ...
      1. Quiet
        Quiet 10 October 2013 01: 29 New
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        There is also HERE and PRIDE

        Are you talking about Tymoshenko ??
  3. Canep
    Canep 9 October 2013 09: 50 New
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    The toad is gnawing, they themselves do not have the means to modernize and build new ships, and they put sticks in the wheels. Somehow childishly behave.
    1. Airman
      Airman 9 October 2013 09: 57 New
      +5
      Quote: Canep
      The toad is gnawing, they themselves do not have the means to modernize and build new ships, and they put sticks in the wheels. Somehow childishly behave.

      Not childish, but gayrope.
    2. smile
      smile 9 October 2013 10: 07 New
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      Canep
      No, no, the Ukrainian leadership of the bells is absolutely justified - two tugboats and a diving vessel pose a serious threat to Ukrainian statehood .. :))). Accordingly, we can conclude what their defenses are and who the Ukrainian leadership considers the number to be a threat one.
      In general, one gets the impression that the indignant cries are just a warm-up before the scandal that they are going to raise when the Fleet will really rearm, as leon-iv rightly said. They create an appropriate background for massive anti-Russian propaganda among Ukrainians. It's disgusting ....
  4. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 9 October 2013 09: 56 New
    +8
    We must calmly, in a working environment, without agiotage, solve these problems, agree, I think, you can always.
    1. smile
      smile 9 October 2013 10: 09 New
      +4
      Vladimirets
      You are right, but this is if you do not intentionally go into conflict. But the Ukrainian government has already begun to cave in before its European "partners" - this is a clear trend. It's only the beginning...
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 9 October 2013 10: 15 New
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        Quote: smile
        But the Ukrainian government has already begun to cave in before its European "partners" - this is a clear trend. It's only the beginning...

        If so, then it is of course. smile But even formal agreements, and even in small things, must be observed. Still, Ukraine is an independent state and, IMHO, to say that, they say, there is more towing, less towing, what difference is not quite right. Another thing is that having started negotiations on additional fleet units or their replacements, we run the risk of delaying this issue for 10 years, especially given the nationalist throats
        1. alone
          alone 9 October 2013 10: 19 New
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          Quote: Vladimirets
          But even formal agreements, and even in small things, must be observed.


          absolutely right. The power of the state is determined by how it complies with its obligations. I know now why the West and America can start, but I don’t. And there is a simple answer: as a state, of course you can do what they do. but when you too will be the same as them.
          1. smile
            smile 9 October 2013 12: 08 New
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            alone
            Nothing will start - we acted within the framework of agreements, such actions are not a violation of it and just coordination is needed. All! And here you are. for some reason you declare that we have not violated the contract. Why?
            Don't you think that your position on Russia is strangely tendentious? Look, in any conflict situation with the republics of the Union, you always take up anti-Russian positions. Does this mean that we are always wrong, or is it your principled position? :)))
        2. smile
          smile 9 October 2013 12: 04 New
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          Vladimirets
          I agree. But the fact is that there is a replacement of old ships with newer ones. Besides. the contract provides for the resolution of such minor issues in the working order, as it was done without any screaming and screeching earlier. Now the situation has changed, hence the screams.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 9 October 2013 10: 20 New
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        Quote: smile
        But the Ukrainian government has already begun to cave in before its European "partners" - this is a clear trend. It's only the beginning...

        Add quote
        “The second generation of modern Ukrainian politicians is on the road of betrayal. The new Mazepa, who are walking the Judaic path, remember the simple truth - if you want, the law of life:“ Rome does not pay traitors! ”

        And the articles in the Mirror of the Week should not be surprised. This newspaper is owned by the "American partner" - so nothing truthful can be found there.
        1. smile
          smile 9 October 2013 12: 10 New
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          Egoza
          "Rome doesn’t pay traitors" is a smart phrase, I haven’t met it before .... thanks, I’ll steal it from you, okay? :)))
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 9 October 2013 12: 39 New
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            Quote: smile
            I'll steal it from you, okay?

            Yes please! (This is from an article in the Controversy)
    2. Quiet
      Quiet 9 October 2013 10: 20 New
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      solve these problems without agitation

      Will not work !! Without excessive fanaticism and hype mixed with psychosis, hysteria and massacre, the Ukrainian RADA will not resolve issues. She will just be bored with this routine. The next day there will be nothing to remember !!! wassat fool belay laughing laughing laughing
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 9 October 2013 10: 22 New
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        Quote: Quiet
        Will not work !! Without excessive fanaticism and hype mixed with psychosis, hysteria and massacre, the Ukrainian RADA will not resolve issues.

        Well, I liked the comment of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, without hysteria and puffing out my cheeks.
        1. Quiet
          Quiet 9 October 2013 10: 34 New
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          Well, I liked the comment of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, without hysteria and puffing out my cheeks.

          But it’s easy to imagine what was happening on the sidelines before this !!!! laughing laughing
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 9 October 2013 20: 43 New
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            Quote: Quiet
            Well, I liked the comment of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, without hysteria and puffing out my cheeks.

            But it’s easy to imagine what was happening on the sidelines before this !!!!

            Nothing at all. You are in full swing and hysteria for some reason here on the site (well, mb still on some Russian resources). The Foreign Ministry most likely had no idea that such a “powerful” article had arisen in a newspaper laughing And I learned about this, most likely, from Russian sources, so I had to “react” and give explanations.
            But what kind of site on the site, regarding the scribble of xs in which newspaper is such hysteria ... this is a question for drinking hundred milen. Oh, they’re giving you brains; Soon, perhaps, only the word Ukraine will be written on the site and a bunch of members of the forum will start to twist. all this is sad, but nothing can be done sad
    3. bomg.77
      bomg.77 9 October 2013 11: 12 New
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      Quote: Vladimirets
      We must calmly, in a working environment, without agiotage, solve these problems, agree, I think, you can always.
      The problem is not in the contract, but in the fact that in Ukraine someone is stubbornly trying to push off with a hook
      Russia and no matter what methods and curtsies are made towards Ukraine, these "someone" will not listen to the voice of reason.
    4. morpex
      morpex 9 October 2013 20: 23 New
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      Quote: Vladimirets
      We must calmly, in a working environment, without agiotage, solve these problems, agree, I think, you can always.

      Respect Eugene! You won’t explain it more clearly. We hope that this will be so and common sense will prevail ...
  5. andrei332809
    andrei332809 9 October 2013 09: 56 New
    +5
    temporary stay of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine, ”he added.

    butted temporarily, temporarily. is it really not clear that the Russian Fleet and Sevastopol are inseparable concepts, and the presence of KChF RF ships in Crimea is a constant?
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 9 October 2013 10: 09 New
      +3
      temporary residence of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine ”,

      Everything temporary over time ceases to be temporary and becomes constant !!!! laughing good
  6. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 9 October 2013 09: 57 New
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    They make an elephant out of a fly. I also understand if they launched ballistic missiles or even a new destroyer, but tugboats ... We need to be constructive, after all, Russia itself carried out repairs of Zaporozhye, and for this it would be possible to turn a blind eye to some inconsistencies with the law. These are not violations, namely, inconsistencies that should not be brought up for public discussion. Apparently, someone in the Foreign Ministry is imitating violent activity.
    1. smile
      smile 9 October 2013 10: 13 New
      +2
      Kowalsky
      Unfortunately, in Mead no one would act independently, they gave the go-ahead. In principle, it is difficult to expect otherwise in the light of the new policy of your leadership — even if he does not give a damn about our Fleet — the new partners will simply force them to fight with us for any reason, including the base. Are these still flowers?
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 9 October 2013 10: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Kowalsky
      They make an elephant out of a fly. I also understand if they put ballistic missiles or at least a new destroyer, but tugs.

      Fear has big eyes! Yes, and specialist advisers are appropriate ... So they took the tugboat for the destroyer laughing
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 9 October 2013 10: 29 New
      +5
      Quote: Kowalsky
      in the end, the same Russia carried out repairs of Zaporozhye, and for this alone it would be possible to close our eyes
      They would have closed, but the FROW does not, flatters. Now, if out of the three new tugs that arrived, two (more) would be presented Ukraine, and one (smaller and scratched) was for the Black Sea Fleet, then they would have agreed. True, they would still swear, but through gritted teeth (which is not all tugboats for them) laughing
  7. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 9 October 2013 09: 59 New
    +3
    No need to be nervous and offended. Problems should be solved by negotiating specialists. Any problem can be solved, with the good will of the Ukrainian and Russian sides. And Russia should speed up the construction of a naval base in Novorossiysk. Judging by the history of events, the Russian Navy in Sevastopol has a hectic life.
  8. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 9 October 2013 10: 00 New
    +3
    Good We know how much and how even the most acute issues are resolved, and the most acute ones are usually price issues .... And what is the personal benefit to us from cooperation with a friendly state? rhetorical question.
  9. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 9 October 2013 10: 01 New
    +4
    The toad presses the Ukrainian leadership ... (winter is coming ...) begins again twenty-five!
  10. vvvvv
    vvvvv 9 October 2013 10: 02 New
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    This is called "friendly Ukraine" ?! Something I think, go into the waters of Ukraine AUG USA, then Yanukovych would meet her with flowers and no one would squeak. A friend is tested in trouble and in need. There was a need to go in and renew - Ukraine is showing itself, acting to the detriment and unfriendly ... In the person of the Ukrainian elite, in any case.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 9 October 2013 10: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: vvvvv
      Yanukovych would have met her with flowers and no one would have squeaked.

      Maybe he would have met ... Sevastopol residents will meet with regular pickets of "NATO Go Home"
      1. vvvvv
        vvvvv 9 October 2013 10: 42 New
        +3
        There are more and more anti-Russian sentiments in Ukraine. The same party Klitschko, not to mention even more radicals. I watched stories only on YouTube yesterday. The West throws the biggest money into Ukraine to polarize it against Russia. It’s good to bribe a handful of the main elite and throw dice to nationalist dogs - and that’s all in the hat.
        Russia needs to beat economically. Win by ourselves even at the expense of business with those interested in the West and exert influence through economic ties. But, this is not possible to do in private business, as in it, every man for himself. When playing by the rules of the enemy, you always lose. And private capital is the rule of the West. Any capitalist is vulnerable and dependent, therefore, Russia needs to have influence on private traders and thus manage their position. And do not let go out of influence. Whoever has more influence will win. Those. China laughing Seriously, it’s clear how important it is for Russian oligarchs, etc., to have capital in Russia, and not in the West, where they will be vulnerable.
        1. morpex
          morpex 9 October 2013 20: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: vvvvv
          There are more and more anti-Russian sentiments in Ukraine.

          It’s so simple. The more Russia tries to bend Ukraine economically through the knee, the more it opposes it. No matter how powerful the world is, this is neither cold nor hot, but everything affects the last link in the chain, simple people. Hence the attitude ...
  11. patriot2
    patriot2 9 October 2013 10: 05 New
    +4
    I won’t eat it - I’m biting it. That's how the Ukrainian government behaves in relation to the Black Sea Fleet and in general in relation to Russia!
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 9 October 2013 10: 30 New
      +1
      I won’t eat - so I bite

      On ships, when bitten, teeth break off !!! negative
    2. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 9 October 2013 11: 02 New
      +7
      Two "guarantors" then threw themselves into their arms, swore allegiance. Then they wanted to fuck one another and let each other secretly throw up feces. We are what, attacking each other. Something depends, for example, on Romanov, Fidget or me. Nothing. We are only pitting each other, such as the tactics of our regions east-west. Putin and Yanukovych with their imperial ambitions, temporary people. Life will return everything to its course. There is no other way for us. Let the lords fight. We are not slaves for them so that forelocks crack. I would rather strive for this.
  12. Xroft
    Xroft 9 October 2013 10: 05 New
    +3
    Somewhere they wrote in an article that the war for the Crimea is a very likely conflict, 10 years ago, too, no one could have thought that we would fight with Georgia .... but this is how it ended.
    1. vvvvv
      vvvvv 9 October 2013 10: 15 New
      +2
      It's all about capitalism. This system itself makes countries vulnerable to foreign capitalists. Representatives of national elites - capitalists and oligarchs automatically cease to be "national", but become "selfish", i.e. primarily care about their capital. It is personal capital that is ideology, and their “God”, and their friend, brother and anyone else. Capital makes the capitalist vulnerable. This is how the national elites are sold to the West. They are allowed to own capital, but for this they will do absolutely everything that their gentlemen will tell them. Ukraine made its choice - to be a slave to the West.
    2. alone
      alone 9 October 2013 10: 20 New
      +2
      This cannot be allowed in any case. This is a fratricidal war.
    3. maxbrov74
      maxbrov74 9 October 2013 12: 29 New
      +2
      What kind of war? No war will be. It will simply return to Russia the Crimean region, and for one Kharkov. And all the Svidomo and Shirie themselves will not take up arms. They will cry and howl from the rostrum to the Eurogames and mattresses.
      1. vvvvv
        vvvvv 9 October 2013 13: 30 New
        +1
        I recently read that, all the same, legally, Russia cannot claim the Crimea.
        I hope that everything will be decided in milder forms than territorial and other disputes.
        It is necessary to promote pro-Russian elites in Ukraine, and when people feel the disadvantages of a Western orientation in the form of economic difficulties, they will rather vote for the pro-Russian party and elites.
      2. apostol88
        apostol88 9 October 2013 20: 34 New
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        Lord, calm down! am
        You have been singing this for 20 years. And you are sure that they will not rebel? fellow
    4. bomg.77
      bomg.77 9 October 2013 14: 10 New
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      Quote: Xroft
      Somewhere they wrote in an article that the war for the Crimea is a very likely conflict, 10 years ago, too, no one could have thought that we would fight with Georgia .... but this is how it ended.
      God forbid, if this happens, we will lose Ukraine at 50 for years. We must buy the Crimea. Ukraine will not be able to keep it without Russia, the Turks with the Tatars will take it away.
    5. morpex
      morpex 9 October 2013 20: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Xroft
      Somewhere they wrote in an article that the war for the Crimea is a very likely conflict, 10 years ago, too, no one could have thought that we would fight with Georgia .... but this is how it ended.

      Do not confuse HU with the FINGER! Georgia and Ukraine are not for comparison. You read the moronic thoughts of some geek.
      Do you personally go shoot your brothers? Me not...
      1. vvvvv
        vvvvv 9 October 2013 23: 02 New
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        I am sure that in turn there will be many people in Ukraine who want to shoot you ...
        I just watched the story recently and it was indicated there that anti-Russian sentiments, especially in the west of Ukraine, are strong enough. In the entire post-Soviet space, for this the West is investing the largest amount of money precisely in Ukraine for such moods. Nationalists, Bandera and pure Nazis have not been canceled. All lead to an analogy with the Baltic states. And I would not entertain myself with the illusions that it is not possible to sharply negatively set Ukrainians against the Russians.
        The West is very active and purposeful.
        Look at the social. networks. On Russian portals, where the vast majority are Russians, materials and sentiments that are against Putin, against Russia's interests in absolutely everything rule the ball. And the comments are dominated by emigrants who chew in the West and now litter Russia. And units like me stand against them. Even on our territory we are being crushed. This is because the bulk of the Russians pohh to everything that does not directly relate to their skins. No one will take the trouble to contribute to the information war. I see this in real life among friends. People live - eat, shit, fucking fuck, fuck, loot, etc. Country interests, etc. naivety is not for them, let someone else decide and do. Complete infantilism and po.h.u.s.p.m.
        Those. it’s not significant for the situation - will you personally go shoot your brothers or not.
        Others will let you down so that you have to ...
  13. Dyukha Siberian
    Dyukha Siberian 9 October 2013 10: 08 New
    +3
    I won’t be surprised if Ukraine soon declares that Russia is preparing ships against them, especially tugboats!) They should be glad that they will be calmer with the strengthening of our positions! Ukraine was and will be a fraternal state for Russia, despite all the differences! And Ukraine is looking for some kind of stones! Yes, they threw stones at Russia already, all who could! Do we and you have to quarrel with each other? !!
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 9 October 2013 13: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Dyuha Siberian
      I won’t be surprised if Ukraine soon declares that Russia is preparing ships against them, especially tugboats!

      Yeah, tow Crimea to the Pacific Ocean. but there japas can yell that it was to them that Crimea belonged throughout history
  14. Kostjan
    Kostjan 9 October 2013 10: 12 New
    +2
    “mos kal” says “crest” then “crest” sho, offensively.(saying)
    Damn and "Mos Cal" is not offensive? laughing
    It is unfortunate when the fraternal Slavic peoples begin to quarrel, not realizing that they are only making themselves worse.
    1. HAM
      HAM 9 October 2013 10: 35 New
      0
      The Ukrainian lives in (in) Ukraine, and the “crest" where it is better, no offense, he himself is.
  15. v.lyamkin
    v.lyamkin 9 October 2013 10: 14 New
    +3
    Well this is how much the fighting capacity of our base in Sevastopol will increase due to the new armored personnel carrier (1 pc), tugboat (1 pc) and rescuer (1 pc). The mind is incomprehensible. And does the base agreement really require the coordination of such minor issues? We must seriously deal with Novorossiysk. And when they say that there are no conditions for a large base, nonsense, everything can be done, the question is only in finances.
    1. alone
      alone 9 October 2013 10: 22 New
      0
      Quote: v.lyamkin
      Well this is how much the fighting capacity of our base in Sevastopol will increase due to the new armored personnel carrier (1 pc), tugboat (1 pc) and rescuer (1 pc).


      and it’s also interesting that it was really impossible to coordinate this “reinforcement” without any excesses?
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 9 October 2013 10: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: lonely
        was it really impossible to coordinate this "gain" without any excesses?

        Can! But where then will there be “a fight against the criminal empire and the cry of Yaroslavna“ Russia offends us! ”Europe will not understand!
        (Nothing, soon both Europe and the USA will fool us. Give me a deadline! fellow )
  16. major071
    major071 9 October 2013 10: 30 New
    +8
    Quote: Canep
    The toad is gnawing, they themselves do not have the means to modernize and build new ships, and they put sticks in the wheels. Somehow childishly behave.

    You are no longer my friend, do not sit on my pot, take your poop, give me my piece of paper! wassat Poem right on topic laughing
  17. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 9 October 2013 10: 33 New
    +4
    Quote: Kostyan
    “mos kal” says “crest” then “crest” sho, offensively.(saying)
    Damn and "Mos Cal" is not offensive? laughing
    It is unfortunate when the fraternal Slavic peoples begin to quarrel, not realizing that they are only making themselves worse.

    Peoples not quarrelthey quarrel with similar attacks, because if people have a brain, and many have it, then it has the ability to analyze and think, as well as draw conclusions, and the conclusion is very bad: when you need gas at a discounted price - fraternal peoples, and when the question concerns the Black Sea Fleet, it’s somehow forgotten about the fraternity! One way love, sooner or later, is doomed to failure.
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 10 October 2013 05: 25 New
      0
      One-sided love is akin to same-sex love.
  18. pahom54
    pahom54 9 October 2013 10: 39 New
    +3
    I quote the words of Admiral Kasatonov: “Ukraine is in such positions - let it all gradually become outdated, when it crumbles, then there will be a different statement of the question. The Ukrainian side has its own point of view and its own approach ... "
    So what kind of friendliness, according to the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, can we talk about? All steps taken by Ukraine at the present stage of development of relations between the two countries go only to the detriment of Russia. Name at least one politically and economically calm day-month-year recently ... It’s a pity, it’s a pity that Ukraine is taking such a path ... Indeed, if we assume that they will not accept it in NATO and the European Union, on which beans will it stay? With a close neighbor and friendly people (I mean Russia), pres ... if ..., and so, in fact, who needs them? To the people who have been grinding their teeth on the territory from time immemorial?
    Sevastopol of Russia cannot be lost, it is unequivocal. BUT at the same time it is necessary to accelerate the construction of infrastructure for the Navy in Novorossiysk, etc. And our Foreign Ministry should no longer justify itself, but pursue a tough policy. Do not know how? Take Onishchenko to him, he will teach you how to block some hoses ...
  19. wulf66
    wulf66 9 October 2013 11: 03 New
    0
    Ah pug, to know she strongly barks at the elephant ...
  20. SolomonSS
    SolomonSS 9 October 2013 11: 17 New
    +2
    My opinion is that PORT is on lease, and what equipment is there is not the business of the Ukrainian side. The equipment is used to ensure the security of Russia, and does not pose any threat to Ukraine. And if necessary, on the contrary, it will help. And there can be no such thing that in 20 years, not a single ship or combat vehicle will be updated, this is logical!
    The Ukrainian leadership makes an elephant out of a fly!
  21. marder4
    marder4 9 October 2013 11: 37 New
    +2
    and what do they never like? you really want to lie under the Yankees ???
  22. maxbrov74
    maxbrov74 9 October 2013 12: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: leon-iv
    Thinking what a buddha when new frigates come?

    They will scream loudly and drool. What else is left for them? And they can’t do anything else.
  23. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 9 October 2013 12: 18 New
    +2
    The NATO destroyer will visit Ukraine (I’m sure soon) ... Yanukovych personally thinks he will accept the mooring ropes and spread the carpets .. angry
  24. Pancreas
    Pancreas 9 October 2013 12: 24 New
    +2
    An agreement with a “friendly” country had to be drafted more carefully so that there would be no discrepancies and there was nothing to dig into. The Ukrainian "comrades" know that they have seized other people's property by deception and are very afraid that they will have to give it up. Sevastopol - there was, is and will be a city of RUSSIAN glory !!!
  25. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 9 October 2013 12: 43 New
    +2
    Damn, ho.hlandiya bits of their fleet has been fixed, as well as the army, now the Russian Black Sea Fleet is fixed. For the sake of gay.rop and pi.ndosam. fool Already no words, even material ones, are enough to characterize this total ho.hlovypendrezh. am Even the most shabby and cheap whores, and those at least sometimes, somehow care about their dignity, reputation. request Only not the Ukrainian authorities. Who have a hobby - to be the laughing stock of the whole world. Along with the Baltic states ... who "surpasses" someone ... negative
    1. netishunUA
      netishunUA 9 October 2013 16: 33 New
      0
      Why so many insults? The fleet here acts as a lever against the Russian Federation. A simple answer to the NATO sweets, if there weren’t any conflict about these little boats now, wouldn’t have remembered. Everything is simple, Ukraine has nothing to answer to the Russian Federation, there is only one Black Sea Fleet. If Russia wants to deliver AUG from Sevostopol, they will supply it. Throw $ 10 for deliveries gas and all voila. Do not breed srach. As they say, cute scolding ....
      1. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx 9 October 2013 19: 04 New
        +1
        You, dear, hi I forgot to ask what my opinion about this shit should be. Please share your "patriotic enthusiasm" with your like-minded people, and do not breed srach under my comments. At the same time, learn to distinguish insults from things that are called by their names.
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 9 October 2013 20: 34 New
          -1
          Quote: Jogan-64
          and do not breed srach under my comments. At the same time, learn to distinguish insults from things that are called by their names.

          You kindly hike at all "lost" in space. a man answered you normally and peacefully, and didn’t raise a srach. Or can’t he write in response or next to your comments, because you are somehow great?
          As for the "things", approx. Immediately in your post, my country is named in an insulting form (prohibited by the rules of the site by the way) and the whole offer is far from a compliment. And you are not talking about the authorities or the oligarchs there, but directly about the whole country, in context. Your opinion about the authorities in the future is okay (although even here, who gave you the right to open your mouth to them? Get your hands on them), but at the beginning you simply insulted the country. And then you are also outraged ...
          1. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx 10 October 2013 11: 31 New
            +1
            Before saying that I was "lost," you must first find yourself in this space. The word "srach", I draw your attention, if you yourself do not want to see, did not come from me. For some reason, this person does not call his written stupidity a srach, although, as you say "in context," this is a real srach - "cute swear ..."
            As for my statement “in an insulting form” about the joke that you call your country, whether you like it or not, you have to “swallow” it. I will not change my mind (and scatter in compliments) for the sake of you or anyone else, because I have a great many reasons for this opinion that I observe daily.
            I also live in this, sorry, country (do not be too lazy to inquire), but I do not use pink glasses, unlike you. I prefer common sense, which the majority in this country, unfortunately, do not know. And so I can’t stop your mouth, both about my opinion about the authorities and about the country as a whole. I’m not going to ask about this “right”, and all the more so.
            We have long been mired in verbiage and pseudo-tolerance, laziness and dullness, cowardice and lackeys sneak. They turned into opportunists and prostitutes. Without honor and conscience. A fool cannot be called a fool, a thief is a thief, a grabber is a grabber, mediocrity is mediocrity, etc. How could they, poor little ones, not be offended!
            Of course, it’s easier for me to shut my mouth and make myself offended for my “own” country, than to answer those lawless people who have reduced this country to the level of ridicule. They are for you power, strength. Vigilant, right? It’s calmer to “not notice” a log in your eye ... And so you’ve already reached senility. Where to go with those "conscious" like you?
  26. 17alex17_2013
    17alex17_2013 9 October 2013 17: 04 New
    0
    I do not know
    who is right, who is to blame Sevastopol is a city of Russian glory, but in fact it belongs to Ukraine, at least how many rassi will not put rearmament on it, it should and will be respected
  27. Cristall
    Cristall 9 October 2013 17: 58 New
    -3
    Strange, 3 weeks since the girl arrived (I establish bilateral interstate relations repeat ) from Russia - I did not watch either the news or the TV. The media, of course, always tries to do something with us. Like our zombie brains they need.
    Throw you this stupid news about the fleet and Ukraine. All is well, the velvet season has finally arrived - the sun + 16. Life goes on. good
    1. MG42
      MG42 9 October 2013 20: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: Cristall
      Throw you this stupid news about the fleet and Ukraine. Things are good,

      You are either extremely naive or soul-bending >>> until an agreement is signed in Vilnius at the end of November = no need to relax = attention to Ukraine will be from Russia, then there will be a reaction in the form of retaliatory measures, so my forecast is up to the New For years, this topic will be actively present, not only on this site but in all media ..
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 9 October 2013 20: 47 New
        0
        Quote: MG42
        You are either extremely naive or soul-bending >>> until an agreement is signed in Vilnius at the end of November = no need to relax = attention to Ukraine will be from Russia, then there will be a reaction in the form of retaliatory measures, so my forecast is up to the New For years, this topic will be actively present, not only on this site but in all media ..

        Almost certainly. Aren't you tired of it yourself? Or are you rushing when they write nasty things about Ukraine (did a resident of Ukraine survive like?)
        1. MG42
          MG42 9 October 2013 20: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Corneli
          (survived a resident of Ukraine like?)

          Have I already talked in detail with you, Corneli, or did I enroll in Crystal = Crystal? wassat
          Quote: Corneli
          Almost certainly.

          Yes sir..
          Quote: Corneli
          Aren't you tired of it yourself?

          No, otherwise I would not go to these branches ..
          Quote: Corneli
          Or are you rushing when they write nasty things about Ukraine

          There are two simple things to self-assessing your condition.
          "Pret" - the subconscious mind works.
          "Not rushing" - the Ego works.
  28. 128mgb
    128mgb 9 October 2013 20: 30 New
    0
    Quote: Cristall
    Strange, 3 weeks since the girl arrived (I establish bilateral interstate relations repeat ) from Russia - I did not watch either the news or the TV. The media, of course, always tries to do something with us. Like our zombie brains they need.
    Throw you this stupid news about the fleet and Ukraine. All is well, the velvet season has finally arrived - the sun + 16. Life goes on. good

    Well done! While young, do what you should, and leave politics to those who are over forty. At least. After all, they are planning wars, and YOU will be blown away.
  29. Sochi
    Sochi 9 October 2013 21: 35 New
    0
    As I understand it, Ukraine leased a BASE and not SHIPS, and since money is being leased, it is right to use it as we wish, and not even by the number of ships and their quality, but in general even the whole fleet will go there not their business. Limitations can only be on nuclear, chemical and bacteriological weapons ... and then according to agreements. And the claim is only upon delivery of the base after the lease, they say the paint has peeled off, there is an oil stain ... unless of course it will be given to someone.
  30. Druid
    Druid 13 October 2013 09: 56 New
    0
    Quote: Pancreas
    city ​​of RUSSIAN glory !!!
    The Russian Empire, but not of today's Russia, and not of the current RUSSIANs as such, were then called Russians. The defense of Sevastopol was also held by everyone, etc., right up to the victory of the Great Patriotic War, where all the soldiers of the Soviet army all around were also called Russians, including the Kazakh, the Yakut, the Armenian, and the Azerbaijani. It’s easiest to appropriate everything, especially fame. “They gave Crimea to Ukraine,” the funniest thing you can hear, the same Bolsheviks, communists, included many territories in the then administrative borders of the RSFSR, are you ready to return and revise the borders now?
    For general development:
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%EE%F8%EA%E0,_%CF%B8%F2%F0_%CC%E0%F0%EA%EE%E2%E8
    % F7
    They gathered to fight with Ukraine - if Pukin and the company also climb to Ukraine, EVERYONE, directly or indirectly on the side of Ukraine, will be at war with Russia;