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Combat knives: weapon or tool

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In January, 2013, at 57, died the famous designer of the cold weapons and one of our oldest authors, Igor Skrylev. Today we are offering our readers the latest article that Igor Alexandrovich prepared for the magazine “Arms”. It is dedicated to modern combat knives.




One of the important elements of the combat equipment of a modern soldier is a knife. And although now his role in the battle is small, in the era of local wars, he acquired a new function - he became a universal survival tool for fighters of small maneuverable groups operating in isolation from supply bases in difficult climatic conditions.

Back in the days of the Vietnam War, American troops unexpectedly discovered that their equipment, firearms, and even knives were poorly suited to local conditions. A similar problem faced the Soviet army during the war in Afghanistan. The role of the main combat knife in it was performed by a bayonet, the design of which was unsuccessful. Generally speaking, attempts to create universal weapons are rarely successful. A knife and a bayonet have different tasks, and solving them requires different constructive approaches.

The bayonet is mounted on the weapon. In this case, the strike is inflicted with two hands; both the body mass of the fighter and the mass of the weapon itself are involved. With such a blow, the blade enters the target deeply, if it is well sharpened, then, in addition to damage to the cutting edge when in contact with the bones, it can also become stuck in the tendons. Therefore, strange as it may seem, the bayonet should not be too sharp. An example of a successful design is the bayonet to the SKS karabiner. But for a knife, a dull cutting edge is a serious drawback. The desire to turn a bayonet into a universal tool reduces its reliability and reduces the combat characteristics of the weapon. The closer the knife to the tool, the less it is suitable for combat, and vice versa. Therefore, when developing a new combat knife, it is always important to understand which qualities are preferable.

The development of the combat knife ideology as a universal tool led to a passion for survival knives.

In particular, the knife “• Basurmanin” was adopted by the Russian army. It is a hybrid of the Aitor Jungle-2 knife and the HP-2 knife. “Elf” is another construction used by the GRU special forces. Both samples are similar, but the first one is more knife-tool, and the second one is closer to the combat knife. Despite the fact that "Busurmanin" and "Elf" are adopted, they are used in small quantities. So, "Basurmanin" was cumbersome, heavy and expensive, on its basis began to produce a commercial model. Now it is supplied as a survival knife for border guards who serve in regions with difficult climatic conditions. But even in such twisted models, the functions of the weapon and the tool are not fully combined. The easiest way to separate these functions. And use a combat knife complete with a small multifunctional knife. The latter is usually foldable. An example is the famous Swiss army knives.

Another approach is possible. The Polish Army developed an interesting folding knife, still used in special forces. His blade has dimensions sufficient for combat use, and in addition, the knife has high instrumental saturation. He came out quite powerful, and for this he had to pay more weight. The Poles themselves call it the first “Tul”, which appeared much earlier than the development of Lazermann. However, he did not have pliers, so this question is quite controversial.

Knife survival HB-1 (knife "Basurmanin") - adopted in the army under the symbol 6X6


HP-2 - Army Knife Scout. Near pencil case


Combat knives: weapon or tool
Survival knife "King of the Jungle" produced by the Spanish company "Aitor"


Knife "Elf" developed in TSNIITOCHMASH for GRU special forces


The appearance of the bodies largely solved the problem of an auxiliary knife, but civilian models lacked strength and combat capabilities. Special army versions began to appear, they differed from civilians in black coating and in the presence of a swage for detonators. Their plus is low weight, small size and not too high price, because the base is a serial civilian model. In Russia, too, army versions of such tools with advanced combat capabilities began to appear, because no one has canceled such use of the product. And this immediately imposes restrictions on the dimensions of the blade. It can not be less than 90 mm, and it is better if it is larger than 100 mm, with a solid width and thickness. But for the classic Lazerman scheme the blade of such length does not fit. Attempts to perform an army tool, with the required blade dimensions on it, were made at TsNIITOCHMASH. They developed the Crag tool, but it turned out to be too large and heavy. The model has not received further development.

The company "NOX" commissioned by the FSB has developed a combat knife sapper "Wag-3", which is officially adopted. This tool is made according to a completely different scheme, which made it possible to increase the length of the blade to 110 mm, with a thickness of 4 mm. The knife was tested on the possibility of combat use and was found fit. His baptism of fire "Wag-3" was held before the official adoption. A prototype was used in the liquidation of Chechen terrorists at the Nord Ost. This product is used by other power structures, such as FSO. “Wag-3” is an optimal instrument in its parameters for use as a city combat knife. Another area of ​​its application is the survival knife. But for military use it is too expensive and complicated.

The SARO company attempted to create an army version of the Varan sapper tool. But the resulting sample does not fully suit the military - the blade length is small for combat use. The desire of the developer to create a robust strong tool led to the fact that the knife has large dimensions and excessive weight. And the quality of performance leaves much to be desired.

The universal combat knife of the Sapper-3 sapper (below) and the mini-biker, developed by the NOX company.


Mini-tul "Biker-2" - the upgraded "Biker"


The already mentioned firm “NOCS”, on its own initiative, developed the Biker mini-tool for civilian use. This lightweight (90 g), very flat (8 mm) tool can be placed on the sheaths of the main combat knife (some Western companies do this, offering the consumer a set of combat knife and tool knife). The military version of the "Biker" is equipped with a crimp for detonators. But the role of a knife for serious work, he does not fit - small in size. The military needs something like a reduced and simplified version of Wag-3. Therefore, for a promising set of combat equipment issued a technical task for the development of both a combat knife and a folding knife tool. In fact, the military does not seem to know what they want. So, “Wag-3” does not satisfy them in terms of size and weight, but in the technical assignment for a new instrument, figures are given that almost coincide with its parameters. Of course, one cannot but agree that the dimensions and weight should be reduced, but within reasonable limits. For a combat knife, the main criteria have always been strength and reliability.

But back to the bayonet. According to GRAU, in modern combat, the use of the bayonet is so limited that they can be neglected, you just need a good knife. The length of its blade was determined in 170 mm, which is quite a lot, although it corresponds to the parameters of combat knives of Western countries. Such a length, for example, has the blade of the knife of the American marines "Ka-bar". Some other parameters have been set, limiting the developers. In the technical assignment, for example, there were two small points that brought the idea of ​​a simple army knife to naught to naught - this is the placement of nippers on the sheath and the possibility of attachment to the machine gun,

independently or through the adapter. These requirements automatically complicate the design of the knife. However, there are several solutions to the problem. The simplest thing is to follow the path of the construction of a conventional bayonet, making a blade, as indicated in the technical assignment, of a dagger type with a one-and-a-half sharpening. Place a ring on the barrel of the machine gun on the guard and a lock button on the handle. The result is the same bayonet, the only difference is the placement of the nippers on the sheath. It was in this traditional way that some firms went, for example, the SARO company, which produced the Bumblebee bayonet, very much resembling the existing bayonet to the AK74 machine gun.

Bayonet "Bumblebee" company "SARO"


Another way is to simplify the construction at the expense of the sheath. After all, the placement of the nippers on the sheath turns them into a product, in its complexity almost equivalent to the knife itself. This problem can be solved in different ways. The easiest way is a detachable lever that was used on Todorov’s knife, which became the ancestor of bayonet knives for Kalashnikov assault rifles. It allows you to get the most simple product. The sheath for such a knife can be made of textile materials such as cordura, and the lever should be placed on the sheath in a special pocket. In this case, on the blade of the knife it is necessary to make a hole for joining with the lever. And it weakens the blade. In addition, the use of the lever is not too convenient. It is not by chance that the lever was simply combined with a scabbard on bayonet knives to the Kalashnikov machine gun. This is also not the most correct way, since the removal of the pliers to the front of the sheath increases the size of the entire product. There is, of course, an interesting solution - to move the nippers up, there they can be placed more compactly. But such a scheme has its drawbacks, the most important of which is the need to fix the pliers in the hole of the blade. To do this in conditions such as low light is problematic. The fastening to the machine is easiest to transfer to the adapter. This will simplify the knife itself, as the attachment to the adapter will not create problems associated with the dimensions of the machine itself. For example, the mount on the trunk already affects the dimensions of the guard, on which it is necessary to place a ring. It is impossible to reduce this dimension, but it goes beyond the parameters specified in the terms of reference. Therefore, the presence of the adapter is preferable to the placement of fasteners on the knife itself. In addition, not every knife such an adapter needs to be attached, because its use is very limited.

Army bayonet from AK 74



Army Knife AT 2010. The inner part of the scabbard of stainless steel, with nippers placed on them. On the pliers there is a flat screwdriver


center]Knife of the sea-guards “Sea Devil” and army knife of the scout НР-2[/ Center]

The universal tool “Splinter” is located in a pocket on a knife cover. The liner is fixed on the sheath with a protrusion that falls into the hole


After analyzing all these options, the firm "AiR" came to the conclusion that the design of a modern combat knife should look different. The blade can be shortened without problems to 160 mm. This will reduce weight, increase maneuverability and will have virtually no effect on combat or working qualities. They can even be increased by increasing the thickness of the blade. Sharpening one and a half. Differentiated lower edge for cutting, upper for cutting. The front part of the blade is reinforced, for this the upper edge is sharpened in the style of tanto. The blade is made of steel 95X18, hardness 56-58 units. An antiglare treatment of the blade with glass balls was carried out, which not only reduces the gloss, but also strengthens the outer surface of the metal due to its hardening. There is also a minus of such processing, although it is determined by the customer. The operation reduces corrosion resistance, even when using corrosion-resistant steels. Therefore, it is much more practical to use a similar treatment in combination with a durable antiglare coating - titanium carbide or silicon carbide. Garda is made of the same steel, but its hardness is 45-48 units, which gives the guard good mechanical properties. This is important, since the guard during the operation period has large mechanical loads, for example, when throwing. The knife handle is made of PCB, a durable and resistant to external influences material. There is also an option made of rubber elastron. The choice of material of the handle makes it possible to use the knife in a variety of climatic and geographical conditions. On the handle caused corrugation of two kinds. Lateral ribbing in the front of the handle gives emphasis to the thumb, which allows for good control of the knife. Next are the longitudinal grooves that serve to drain moisture, if the hand is sweaty or wet. The shape of the handle is not symmetrical, it allows you to touch, by which side the knife is held. On the handle - metal pommel. It can play the role of a hammer, serve to deliver shocking blows and is used as the second fastening element. There is a groove, which includes a cap rubber ring. This mount is usually used for underwater knives, where the reliability of retaining the blade in the sheath is of particular importance. The sheath is made of two parts. The inner part, on which the pliers are located, is made of stainless steel. It is located on the lever pliers. Their design is largely borrowed from the pliers of the knife of the swimmers "Sea Devil", developed by the company "NOX". On the sheath nipper pliers there is a flat screwdriver. Plastic shells are provided in the sheath to protect the blade from dulling when removed. This is an important issue. For example, in the HP-2 knife in a plastic sheath there is a metal insert that is positioned so that it interacts with the cutting edge of the blade. It is enough to take it out of the scabbard a couple of times, as if there is no trace of sharpening, In the new knife this defect is eliminated. The elasticity of the steel sheath is also used to fix the blade itself. For carrying the knife and placing it on the equipment there is a cover made of durable camouflage fabric with a soft lining that prevents the appearance of unmasking noise. On the case there is a pocket for the universal “Splinter” tool and a grinding bar. The loops on the cover allow you to attach it to the various elements of equipment. Loop for fastening on the belt detachable. The liner is fixed on the cover with a protrusion that falls into the opening of the cap pocket. Such fixation is simple and reliable.

The bullet "Vzryvotehnik" in the folded state. On the right is clearly visible crimp for detonators.


Vzryvotekhnika has a decent set of tools


The “Vzryvotekhnika” kit also includes a universal working knife with the same name.


It is impossible not to talk about how the development of the knife tool for the Russian army was organized. This procedure was very unusual. The GRAU convened a meeting of manufacturers of cold weapons, issued a technical task and a month to develop and manufacture samples. The R & D stage was simply laid on the shoulders of manufacturers. Not surprisingly, only three firms submitted real samples. They went to the test. If for an army knife, the problem of ultra-fast development could be solved (with preliminary developments, for example, SARO simply remade its Maple knife for new conditions), although all the samples appeared at the very last moment, then with a knife-tool it turned out more difficult. The only claimants - the knives "Wag-3" and "Varan" - in their parameters did not satisfy the military, they needed something in between these samples. The finished model was the company "KNOX", but one of the special services acted as its customer. The product received the characteristic name "Vzryvotehnik." Outwardly, it looks like Lazerman products, but only at first glance. This product is a “changeling”.

The biggest trouble with conventional sapper bodies is that the presence of the crimp for detonators reduces the performance of the pliers themselves and their durability. In "Vzryvotehnika" this problem is solved. So, pressing at folded "tula" is located on the pliers from the reverse side. This part of the tool is quite massive and can be used as a hammer. It also houses a carbide protrusion for breaking glass, which can serve as a glass cutter. When turning the arms, the pliers themselves “appear”. They are of normal design, but with the presence of interchangeable cutting edges on the nippers. This is a plus, as you can make the pliers themselves more durable and maintainable. If the nippers are part of the pliers, then they need to kalit to high hardness, and this may affect the strength. In the presence of interchangeable cutting elements, the problem is eliminated. Passatii are stained to hardness, giving optimum strength, and cutting inserts (much greater hardness) in case of breakage simply change. A blade of increased strength is installed in one of the tool handles; with a length of 85 mm, its thickness is 4 mm. You can open it with one hand using the protruding peg. The blade in the open position becomes a rigid retainer. Nearby is a universal holder. It is possible to fix a replaceable saw from the electric jigsaw, which expands the possibilities of the tool, as the saws can be very different. Damaged during work file just replaced with a new one. In the holder can also be installed and a special blade for fine work. It is made in two versions - with conventional and lateral sharpening.

From special tools, a light alloy pin can be noted for making holes in explosive packs when installing detonators. Other tool kit is quite common: an awl, a can opener, a file, and scissors. Scissors are quite dimensional and do not have a spring, which, as a rule, becomes an element of unreliability. It is replaced by a handle with a slit, which allows them to open and manage them during operation (like ordinary scissors). There is a holder for changeable bits, it can be completed with an extension cord. The presence of interchangeable bits increases the possibility of using the tool, since it is not necessary to have a whole set of various screwdrivers and special socket keys.

Unfortunately, with all the advantages, such a tool is poorly suited for military use. It should be much simpler, more comfortable, and not have replaceable parts that can be lost (one of the requirements that always applies to such products).

The tool "Vzryvotehnik" - part of the kit, which, in addition to him, includes a universal working knife under the same name. It is manufactured by AiR. Despite his appointment, he gives the impression of military weapons. This is due to the dagger-shaped blade widening in the front. This is done to shift the center of gravity forward. The blade was designed as an army knife for hard work. Therefore, the dimensions of the blade are impressive enough - the length is 180 mm, the thickness is 6 mm. Such massiveness allows you to chop this knife and use it as a lever. The blade width makes it possible to dig. Of course, this is not a shovel, but it is quite suitable for digging small holes. Sharpening is differentiated: on the one hand, it is ordinary (used for cutting and cutting), on the other - a sawtooth sharpening with a fine tooth, which plays the role of a drill, and in some situations it can even play the role of a saw.

In spite of its working mission, the Explosive Technician is also a weapon. The length and thickness of the blade, its shape, type of sharpening allow you to use the knife in this quality. The handle is made of PCB, this material was the most acceptable for use in difficult conditions. Pommel of steel, can act as a hammer. Cordura sheath with plastic liner, they have a pocket in which you can place a diamond grinding bar and a survival kit. Knife "Vzryvotehnik" is of interest not only for sappers, but also for other types of troops. Now there is a stage of trial operation of this product. On the basis of combat samples, the manufacturer is about to begin producing civilian versions, making the necessary changes to their design.
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  1. papik09
    papik09 9 October 2013 08: 24
    16
    Good memory to Igor Alexandrovich. His knives are wonderful.
  2. Hleb
    Hleb 9 October 2013 08: 29
    17
    from a rope a knife
    1. 505506
      505506 9 October 2013 09: 27
      +1
      Good afternoon! And tell me, what kind of knife? I haven’t come across anywhere.
      1. alex-cn
        alex-cn 9 October 2013 09: 45
        +2
        this is copyright, such things are considered
    2. alex-cn
      alex-cn 9 October 2013 09: 29
      +3
      Well, if you make cables from twisted damascus ...
      1. Tyumen
        Tyumen 9 October 2013 13: 25
        +2
        Not a cable from Damascus, but a Damascus from a forged and hardened cable.
        1. 505506
          505506 10 October 2013 04: 36
          0
          Or maybe a hardened wire handle welded to a damascus blade? You won’t understand much from the photo. But I was interested ...
          1. Tyumen
            Tyumen 13 October 2013 10: 28
            0
            No, decent decent blades are forged from ropes, also from chains from chainsaws, so there is such a beautiful drawing, on the blade you can see all the teeth, rivets, but with a pattern. So to speak, collective farm Damascus :-)
            1. 505506
              505506 14 October 2013 06: 05
              +1
              Thank you for the clarification!
    3. LAO
      LAO 9 October 2013 20: 30
      0
      Thanks for the help !!!
  3. redwolf_13
    redwolf_13 9 October 2013 08: 36
    +7
    A great man, a kind of modern "Lefty". What kind of people are leaving. Everlasting memory! soldier
  4. alex-cn
    alex-cn 9 October 2013 08: 40
    +6
    At one time, Americans believed that less than 1% of those killed were killed in World War II with cold steel. But times are changing, in small wars everything is different ...
    A knife in the army is needed, it is without a doubt. The question is in another - to whom, to and when.
    a military knife isn’t really needed, but a multitool is always and always needed. But, in my opinion, it’s not Swiss, what is on sale with an army knife doesn’t pull, you need something stronger .... A military knife is needed for reconnaissance , special forces, etc. But it’s not all simple either. The fighter is now protected by body armor, special gloves, and hell knows what, often holding a bullet, so poke him with a knife or hit him through a Kevlar helmet before you create and advertise a combat knife (it’s necessary) to develop , new approaches to knife fighting, new techniques, and already under them a new knife.
    NOT ADVERTISING. Kalashnikov Magazine, No. 3 2001. It Is Better There Than It Is Written
    Skryleva sorry, efficient man.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 9 October 2013 09: 24
      +4
      Quote: alex-cn
      At one time, Americans believed that less than 1% of those killed were killed in World War II with cold steel.

      But is it not enough? request Even if it's 100 thousand., 10 divisions with knives ... Hmm, that's a lot.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 9 October 2013 10: 11
        +9
        quote-In January 2013, at the 57 year of life, the famous edged constructor and one of our oldest authors, Igor Skrylyov, suddenly died.

        57-m ............. so young sad Good memory to you Igor Alexandrovich.

        I read a very interesting article, it’s a pity that such a Designer died. It’s a pity.

        Not so long ago, I came across a note about knives, in particular about Swiss, I would like to introduce you to this review knife with a gun, year of creation in 1880 by Holler & Co, Germany.



        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 9 October 2013 10: 16
          +9
          Quote: Apollon
          I would like to introduce you to this kind of knife with a gun, the year of creation in 1880 by Holler & Co, Germany.

          Calculation of the knife - 3 person. smile
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 9 October 2013 10: 23
            +2
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Calculation of the knife - 3 person.


            Good afternoon, Vladimir hi

            Well then, how much is this designed for ?! wassat
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 9 October 2013 10: 30
              +6
              Quote: Apollon
              Well then, how much is this designed for ?!

              Greetings Apollo. hi
              And this is a heavy company.
          2. papik09
            papik09 9 October 2013 14: 28
            +2
            It will not be enough laughing laughing
      2. Teacher
        Teacher 9 October 2013 11: 35
        10
        Ten divisions were destroyed not with knives, but with melee weapons. The difference is big, because in hand-to-hand combat, bayonets, butts and sapper shovels are more likely to be used. I would not like to stand with a knife against the shoulder blade, although I am familiar with both army and sports hand-to-hand combat. My grandfather went through the Great Patriotic War with from the first day to the last in the regimental intelligence, and always spoke of the blade as a cold weapon number 1 in terms of effectiveness, and used a knife against the Germans only twice, the first time, when a captured German snatched a machine gun from a young guard, the second at night in a German trench, where instead of one sentry, whom they wanted to take as a "language", they stumbled upon a whole group of Germans suffering from insomnia and fought with the first in their hands. From my experience of service, I will add that a good knife greatly facilitates a soldier's life in the field.
  5. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 9 October 2013 10: 05
    -7
    In close combat, it has been proven in practice, out of 10 cases, all 10 are more effective than a firearm!
    1. SIT
      SIT 9 October 2013 11: 36
      +1
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      In close combat, it has been proven in practice, out of 10 cases, all 10 are more effective than a firearm!

      Yes, if a person with a knife closer than 2m the policeman does not have time to get a gun, but this is not a fight. A hand-to-hand situation can only happen when there is no time to recharge, i.e. not even a couple of seconds to change the store, because It is not known how the situation with the cartridges of the enemy. Shoot down its trunk, shift from the line of fire and continue to bring it down already as taught before. In such a situation, there is no time to throw the machine and grab the knife. And it’s impossible to let go of the machine, because the main task in such a dump is still somehow gaining time to change the store. Then you can no longer show that you are cooler than Bruce Lee.
    2. Teacher
      Teacher 9 October 2013 11: 42
      0
      Who has proven this?
      1. alex-cn
        alex-cn 9 October 2013 11: 49
        0
        advise him to prove it in practice so that he doesn’t write more
    3. Bosk
      Bosk 9 October 2013 19: 36
      0
      Somehow a long time ago the instructor told us "if you have a knife in your hand ... consider that you are one-handed", at first we took it as a joke, but then in the course of the action we realized that this was very serious, because a man with a knife in his hand in a sense, he is devoid of maneuver, and if his first attack is unsuccessful (I mean, not cuts, but flying), then the result of the fight may not even be in his favor.
  6. saygon66
    saygon66 9 October 2013 12: 16
    +4
    -It's a pity ... There was a big-headed man! "Werewolf" is one of the first known developments of IA Skrylev.
    1. Tyumen
      Tyumen 9 October 2013 13: 34
      0
      I once made such butterflies for sale, sawing off half. There is a suitable hole there :-) And so, I think you need to do the knife yourself, Andrei Biryukov has excellent blades on inetkuznec.ru. The tempering of his beast, no offense to the deceased.
      1. papik09
        papik09 9 October 2013 14: 33
        +4
        "There is also a suitable hole :-)".
        Sir and gentlemen, forum users, I'm sorry, but the HOLE IS ONLY IN THE ASS, EVERYTHING ELSE IS AN HOLE! wassat
        1. Tyumen
          Tyumen 9 October 2013 14: 42
          -1
          Who about what, and dad about his.
      2. Reindeer herder
        Reindeer herder 9 October 2013 17: 39
        +1
        So we use Biryukovsky blades :). Although annoying stocks of his blades enough. But its advantages outweigh the disadvantages, although the latter can significantly increase the time it takes to make a knife.

        It's funny that I have long limited for myself a blade length of 160mm, almost all my work knives are 90-120mm, and the handle is strictly wooden (cap or birch bark), I can not stand new-fangled textolites, all of these G10-G12 and others like it
        1. kavad
          kavad 10 October 2013 09: 30
          0
          Well, in vain, from mikarta knives are very cute and practical!
          1. kavad
            kavad 10 October 2013 09: 49
            0
            Yes, the tree also corrects me more, but mikarta is definitely more practical.
        2. Tyumen
          Tyumen 13 October 2013 10: 17
          0
          Shoals of Biryukov appeared when he expanded production, sharpening so much was too much for one. Like an old knife maker, I no longer pay attention to it, I can straighten it out. I laid out a year and a half ago a photo of my work with
          Biryukovsky laminate, that knife went for 23 tr Although there was a blade such that half a day locksmith :-)
      3. kavad
        kavad 10 October 2013 09: 28
        0
        Ordered his blades, and more than once! Right now I’m making myself a powder from his blade, Elmax. And then, as a shoemaker without boots ...
        But with Zadi.ru I still order more often.
  7. Slotxnumx
    Slotxnumx 9 October 2013 12: 29
    +1
    Bright memory.
    But the article is not unique for me, and these knives.
    ... The front of the blade is reinforced, for this the top edge is sharpened in the tanto style, did the author want to say that the tip is strengthened?
    ... The blade is made of 95X18 steel, the hardness is 56-58 units, it is interesting how the manufacturer hardened such steel, because it is not hard, it will hell to hell with any solid material, well, only if the sharpening is 60 degrees but then the cut will be bad. It would be better if they took X12MF.
    ... An anti-glare treatment of the blade with glass shriks was carried out, i.e. the finish of the blade galtovka (stonevosh) or sandblast, would call a spade a spade.
    ... which not only reduces gloss, but also strengthens the outer surface of the metal due to riveting - that it’s a fairy tale in general, what kind of riveting is there, this treatment makes the blade dull, but it also reduces the corrosion resistance in most cases, but it certainly does not strengthen the blade .
    IMHO something like the picture for me is tactics.
    1. papik09
      papik09 9 October 2013 14: 35
      0
      You published a photo of a special forces knife of the United States, not Russia or the USSR. hi Although, this knife is beautiful, no doubt, I had to hold it, and "play" too laughing
      1. Slotxnumx
        Slotxnumx 9 October 2013 17: 01
        +2
        The point is not that it was produced in the United States or where else, for example, Kizlyar does similar, including without a guard, because a civilian, yes, it’s easier yes
        1. Reindeer herder
          Reindeer herder 9 October 2013 17: 41
          +1
          Kizlyar, unfortunately, has long slipped into consumer goods in terms of both the quality of the blades and the quality of the finish.
    2. _Siberian_
      _Siberian_ 9 October 2013 21: 54
      +1
      Sandblasting does not strengthen I agree, but tumbling with balls creates the same "work hardening" which leads to hardening of the surface layer of the product ...
      PS: A description of the origin and properties of this phenomenon (riveting) is described in detail in any textbook on metal processing
      PS: PS: I hear about tumbling with glass for the first time, but why not?
      hi
  8. zub46
    zub46 9 October 2013 13: 34
    +1
    I keep the 1940 RKKA knife as a memory. Manufacturer - Trud plant, Vacha. Presented to my father by Vladimir Kirillovich Sosedov in 1968. Passed to me by inheritance. I don’t know how it is with the Rockwell units of metal strength, but the blade holds the edge perfectly, very reliable. Looks simple, no "bells and whistles", but this is the Knife. Shore.
    1. Reindeer herder
      Reindeer herder 9 October 2013 17: 43
      +2
      Quote: zub46
      but the blade holds the edge perfectly, very reliable. Looks simple, no "bells and whistles", but this is the Knife. Shore.

      So this is the most important thing, and rockwells for stiff nifomania, for whom a fetish knife, and not a working tool.
  9. Luga
    Luga 9 October 2013 13: 53
    +2
    Bright memory.
    I am sure that in addition to knives, a man left behind students who would continue his work.
  10. Altona
    Altona 9 October 2013 17: 25
    +2
    I was looking for a working knife at a low price ... I have Spartan from Victorinox, I have a Canadian FIT Rescuer, but I caught the eye of a Finnish from Swedish Mora (pictured with a red handle) ... A good knife for walking through the woods, a very sharp blade from carbon ... Plastic sheath ... In the photo a ceramic kitchen knife was hung up, do not pay attention ...)))
  11. sergant89
    sergant89 9 October 2013 18: 07
    +3
    Bright memory to the master, and this is mine:
    1. Massik
      Massik 9 October 2013 19: 03
      0
      "For difference in service" like 1st degree (maybe 2nd is hard to see) participant badge and trinket. Yes, you are VVshnik however! soldier
  12. Massik
    Massik 9 October 2013 19: 09
    +2
    The good old trihedral bayonet is just as good and I couldn’t spit on all these conventions with napalm, but you can't stick with a bayonet, huh.
    1. abdrah
      abdrah 10 October 2013 00: 57
      +1
      And in the Brest Fortress there is a 100 meter titanium monument to the forbidden trihedral bayonet, a reminder to the adversary that we honor the conventions, but if you don’t cry ..
      By the way, he looks wonderful from Poland.
      1. Kir
        Kir 10 October 2013 03: 07
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        What other conventions are there, the kardonniks recently supposedly hunting bungled on three sides (not like our trihedral, but in the likeness of a tetrahedral) so moreover they have a gentle step (screw) and all this has a hollow handle and is made of B-titanium, and You speak convention! By the way, according to rumors for our specialists, the same kind of tool from V-Titan is available and holds a weight of 90 kg so ......
  13. Bosk
    Bosk 9 October 2013 19: 25
    +1
    How many knives I have not tried and in the end settled on "Sturgeon" and the view is not brutal and cuts like an adult, and if you have the skill, you can throw it very well ... which is what I do at my leisure from time to time.
  14. leonardo_1971
    leonardo_1971 9 October 2013 19: 37
    +1
    we had Basurman knives in the squad armed with snipers. When I got it I was tortured to grind. And his weight is big. Inconvenient. As a result, I didn’t take it with me. As always, I’m carrying a 6 mm IRBIS knife from Kazan company Melita from powder medical steel. very high quality. I recommend.
  15. Kir
    Kir 9 October 2013 21: 38
    0
    Of course, it’s a pity that I left, but only when you read the advertisement of the Knox company again, it’s honestly somehow not by any means. I explain:
    Much of what the stigma of the NOC stands on, in many cases replicas of what the NOC provided as samples, I know for certain since I visited the company and they themselves talked about it this time
    Another interesting thing, but what about Skrylyov modestly kept silent about his Katran-1 and Beaver, forgive the same relationship with survival knives, and the wire cut on Katran-1 like a bayonet knife is a technological hole on the blade, about the super tool Beaver with a guard very similar to the bowie master guard, only instead of two pins he has three types of guard and a cat "in one bottle" plus the option - "with a slight movement of your hand ...." in general, the "braid" of the handle turns into a line
    About the super tool, someone accepted there held this miracle for 5500 rubles, well, to say the least, the dimensions and weight and the handle forgive the whole ......, the thickness is equal if not more than the width!
    A muddy history of relations with the legendary M.V. Gorelik in terms of intellectual property on Skif and Vyatich
    Well, I don’t know about ruffling, maybe just to show the sharpening, or suddenly the performer won’t understand - in short I had to hold Yakut in the prototypes big and small, by the way, this answer to Bushman’s knife is only homegrown, so Skrylyov’s sharpening on a throwing knife for some, Shaving was done !!!
    Now about Melita, since they generally produce a lot of NOX-ovsky, look at the same Punisher, Antiterror and so on. About the powder I will say one thing for what purpose if, if bent or struck, then definitely a minimum of rental, but rather uninhibited.
    About Kizlyar, the one who says that he is wrong correctly is YOU about the general segment, but forgive me why tell my friends through whom the specialists in Zlatoust and Kizlyar ordered the truth and the Nizhny Novgorod, But not the NOX! By the way, the quality of the same legendary Smersh series has fallen.
    1. Massik
      Massik 10 October 2013 09: 39
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      Ahah, remind me of a starling who was dragging a Zlatoust damask knife with him for 18 thousand rubles, everyone wanted quality, and then lost it at the next exit, you could buy 5 more knives for each exit on a kizlyarchik. Do it yourself, if something breaks or doesn’t sharpen, there will be no one to blame.
      1. Kir
        Kir 10 October 2013 11: 26
        +1
        What are you talking about? And if just like that, then know Chrysostom is not super any, but the stainless steel of one of their manufacturers ground it and I will say the quality of the steel beast! but at a price with the same Knox, it’s not clear which one-to-one steel has become, so one wonders why he should be so praised?
        1. Massik
          Massik 10 October 2013 13: 10
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          Actually about the fact that somehow they visited the exhibition "Defense and Defense 2012" where almost everyone bought something from the Zlatoust companies (including the aforementioned one), so it just happened that I already had Knox's "Knight" and the difference with the newly acquired " Snipe "for 700 rubles more expensive in everyday life I have not felt for a year.
          1. Kir
            Kir 10 October 2013 17: 55
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            So the merit in this is not the firm of Knox but Melita from Kazan, they produce all alloyed blades there, look at their (Melita) website, and that’s the whole story. And another part of the Noksovskys has nothing to do with Skrylyov, since the same poacher was developed by someone from Moscow, as I understood they also had the type of competition that Saro had and maybe has. In general, I like it — in my hand like a poured puma in the tanto style, but the blade wouldn’t hurt me, it would be 6 millimeters or maybe all 7 like the Master Bowie, and D2 steel (analog of our X12mf, it’s kind of like a new one even more Interesting from the same segment has recently been patented by X12nf, it also has good impact loads and the edge too, purpose dies, knives for guillotine and the like) It’s better to be silent about damask steel as it is more likely to be similar to damask or damask, and besides, I think that it’s good damask or damask well for 20000 rubles, you should also not forget that because of the price, often only part of the shank is damask further either welding or screed, and the handle in the optimum course is leather or birch bark. In general, look at Buslaev’s blades -on Kizlyarovets, but it seems to work in a St. Petersburg branch.
  16. uzer 13
    uzer 13 9 October 2013 22: 23
    +2
    I express my condolences regarding the premature departure from the life of Igor Alexandrovich Skrylev.
    Continuing the topic of knives, you can see that now a lot of good knives are produced, there are plenty to choose from. Not necessarily expensive, because for utilitarian needs you do not need heavy-duty steel and some special shape of the blade. When I first picked up a scout knife - (real, from WWII), I thought it was some kind of kitchen tin — it was so unlike a formidable weapon — nondescript, with a small blade and a wooden handle painted with some kind of black paint. The guard was made of thin steel with in a bend in the opposite direction, it’s known for what matters. The blade did not differ in shape from a household knife, the steel seemed to be good, by special order, but it didn’t differ in color from ordinary iron either. I don’t know about hardness, I didn’t have to sharpen. So it’s not a matter of knife. It is well known that a knife helps those who can do without it (in the sense of hand-to-hand combat). For soldier’s needs it would be nice to have inexpensive small sizes of multitools and universal knife 150-170mm long with a simple-shaped blade without a saw and seriator, 3.5-4mm thick. (there may be other opinions)
  17. understudy
    understudy 9 October 2013 23: 02
    +2
    Of ours in "common use" I am quite satisfied with "Raven-3", he would still have a guard ... (but then he becomes "Raven-2" repeat ) and from "ino" - state, marines "Ka-Bar". Honestly, it's simpler, better and more beautiful, I don't see, for all my jingoistic patriotism. And the "bells and whistles" may not be in the knife itself. I hate all sorts of decorations on weapons.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 10 October 2013 00: 58
      0
      took two gerberas (Gerber), direct and folding,


      I’ve been using it for two years now and not of any complaints (they are in principle good for everyone, but the price ...), I want to order a multitool myself ...
      1. Tyumen
        Tyumen 15 October 2013 14: 14
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        Gangster buster.
  18. Kir
    Kir 10 October 2013 03: 57
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    [quote = Kir] Another interesting thing, but what about Skrylyov modestly kept silent about his Katran-1 and Beaver, forgive the same relationship with survival knives, and the wire cut on Katran-1 is like a bayonet to a knife - a technological hole on the blade, about the super tool Beaver with a guard very similar to the bowie master guard, only instead of two pins it has three types of guard and a cat "in one bottle" plus the option - "with a slight movement of your hand ...." in general, "braid" the handle turns into a line [/ quo
    In order not to be unfounded.
  19. specKFOR
    specKFOR 10 October 2013 22: 46
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    According to his experience in the service, a soldier needs a good knife in the field to cut a branch, cut the wire well and open the cannabis tusnyak)) I myself use the Ka-bar army, in the fields, and the folding CRKT m-16 in everyday life. I did not use Russian knives for not having .
  20. put
    put 11 October 2013 19: 57
    +1
    Not everyone can kill a person with a knife. And which knife doesn’t matter. The soldier needs to be taught this.
    But why do we need so many trained in peacetime? For field conditions it’s enough
    plain piece of iron.