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Reactive salvo fire system "Mini-Grad"

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A characteristic feature of local conflicts in recent years have become the so-called. technicals - cars with weapons installed on them. In view of artisanal origin, any suitable vehicle on which any existing vehicle is mounted can be used as a base for such a combat vehicle. weapon. Various armed formations build “technicals” with machine-gun, cannon, and sometimes rocket weapons with their own forces. As practice shows, such equipment, if properly used, can have a noticeable effect on the course of military operations. Seeing certain successes of “technicals”, the Russian Scientific and Production Enterprise “Start” (Yekaterinburg) decided to create its own version of such equipment based on more serious components, originally intended for the conduct of hostilities.




At the exhibition Russian Arms Expo-2013, SPE “Start” distributed advertising materials on its new development. The project "Mini-Grad" involves the creation of a multiple rocket launcher system based on an affordable car chassis. For example, in the promotional materials there is a combat vehicle based on the domestic production of the Tiger armored car. Probably, at the request of the customer, any other vehicle with suitable characteristics can become a base for a combat vehicle.

Unfortunately, very little is currently known about the Mini-Grad project. In fact, only the image of a hypothetical combat vehicle and some characteristics of its weapons were shared. Nevertheless, such scant information allows us to present an approximate image of a combat vehicle, as well as to make some assumptions about its prospects.

On the single image of the small-sized MLRS, it is clear that a relatively small launcher with guides for unguided missiles is proposed to be mounted on the base car. In the dimensions of the car "Tiger" you can enter a combat module with 20 guides. Caliber unguided rockets - 81,5 or 105 millimeters. Thus, the release of two variants of multiple rocket launcher systems using different ammunition is possible. The claimed range is equal to 10 kilometers. The prospective combat vehicle will spend about 20 seconds to prepare for shooting. Ammunition "Mini-City" is 40 missiles. On a full reload launcher, it is claimed, should take no more than three minutes.

According to advertising materials, the MLRS Mini-Grad is designed for reconnaissance units, units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, airborne and border troops. The mission of a combat vehicle is the destruction of manpower, lightly armored vehicles and enemy installations. Thus, the new combat vehicle should significantly increase the combat capabilities of the relevant units. However, the appearance of the Mini-Grad system is significantly different from other MLRS, which can cause a lot of questions.

From the available information we can draw some conclusions. Obviously, the Mini-Grad multiple launch rocket system has both positive and negative sides. This ambiguity of the project may be the reason for the mass of disputes.

The advantages of a combat vehicle include its firepower. A volley from 20 unguided missiles will allow Mini-Grad to carry out tasks of the types that were previously assigned to "full-fledged" multiple launch rocket systems. In this new MLRS, with small dimensions and relatively good mobility, is able to quickly approach the target at a distance of shooting and open fire. Thus, the main task of the Mini-Grad complex can be attacks of small targets with relatively weak defense.

Features of the armament of the MLRS "Mini-Grad" can cause some doubts about the feasibility of the existence of such combat vehicles. An armored car with a launcher for unguided missiles is in itself a rather strange thing with mixed perspectives. For example, the role of such equipment in the structure of the armed forces or security forces raises great doubts. Due to its characteristics, the new Mini-Grad will not be able to replace multiple launch rocket systems of existing models and perform their tasks. Thus, for the new MLRS, there are only tasks whose solution is connected with the hit-and-run method.

A separate issue in the context of the potential and prospects of the new MLRS "Mini-Grad" is the choice of goals and operations in which it can be applied. Probably, a considerable number of targets, the destruction of which can be entrusted to the calculation of such equipment, can be attacked by other means, including barreled artillery and Aviation.

In general, the Mini-Grad project, as well as its prospects, currently raises a lot of questions and does not provide the desired number of answers. At the same time, in a number of cases, the operation and application of such equipment looks unreasonable and useless. Thus, such "mini-MLRS" are unlikely to take any place in the Russian armed forces. At the same time, this class of equipment, due to the combination of size and firepower, may be of interest to the airborne troops, who need compact and light combat vehicles.

In addition, RZSO of this type may be of interest to third countries. In the course of local conflicts in recent years, improvised combat vehicles armed not only with receiver systems were actively used. On the battlefields from Transnistria to Syria, civilian vehicles were sometimes encountered, with guides mounted on them for unguided rockets. For all its specifics, such a technique can significantly increase the combat capabilities of the formation, equipped with "technicals" with machine-gun armament. Thus, the Mini-Grad project may be of interest to small, poor countries that need the cheapest possible upgrade of the armed forces.

It is difficult to say which countries will be interested in the Mini-Grad multiple launch rocket system. Judging by the available data, the new project has several characteristic advantages, but it is not without flaws. Because of this, the potential customer will have to evaluate the cumulative characteristics of the combat vehicle and draw conclusions about the need for equipment with such capabilities. It is possible that the first proposals for the purchase of the MLRS "Mini-Grad" will appear in the very near future. However, the specific appearance of this combat vehicle does not allow us to speak of this as the most likely scenario. Hopefully, the near future will allow us to find out how correct and necessary the Mini-Grad project is.


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  1. Blad_21617
    Blad_21617 9 October 2013 07: 44
    11
    the concept of application is just as absurd.
    1. igor67
      igor67 9 October 2013 08: 02
      +7
      And who to arm with such a mini, army,? Hardly, only the so-called "liberation movements", perhaps.
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 9 October 2013 08: 27
        +2
        And there is. Such armies are not needed, but the rebels will not buy this))
      2. Mitek
        Mitek 9 October 2013 08: 27
        35
        Quote: igor67
        And who to arm with such a mini, army,? Hardly, only the so-called "liberation movements", perhaps.

        How can I tell you ... the thing is mobile, fast, light. Airborne, floating base marines. Intelligence can support. Pros - lack of coordination with the senior management. I saw-fitted-vtrepal-quickly went to recharge. In urban conditions, it is generally irreplaceable. Almost direct fire can work. He leaned out, was discharged into the building and left. In short, where it is difficult to use large MLRS, this baby can help, but they must be subordinate to the battalion commanders. Without any coordination, gunners and other joy. Direct support machine. A la battalion mortar. Of course, the unification of calibers, etc. ... I'm not saying that this machine needs to be replaced with everything that is, this is nonsense. But a chance must be given to her. Especially in SEO. With its mountains, loins often inaccessible to shelling from heavier systems. When posting columns can come in handy. A pickup truck with NUR is not capable of this. There is no reservation and no base capable of withstanding the return of a powerful salvo, and firing one at a time is death.
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 9 October 2013 08: 36
          -3
          Why make a fuss when a pickup truck with NUR can do the same - is there a video from Libya where it shoots? Money cut and sell twice as expensive?

          Again came to the need for special urban technology. Is she needed at all? In the field, such a thing is ineffective, and its tasks can be solved by existing means. The same tiger is not a machine of the first echelon, and the first volley for it may be the last.
          In addition, each new version of a combat vehicle requires the development of application tactics.
        2. Basileus
          Basileus 9 October 2013 09: 03
          +4
          By the way, here is an option for the landing - the "Thunder" MLRS based on the BTR-D. Experienced - did not like it.
        3. duke
          duke 9 October 2013 09: 46
          15
          I would also like to add that it would also be suitable for border guards. For our units in the North. The Caucasus is exactly what you need. Another would be to think about how to reanimate devices such as the German "Vanyushi-Nebelwerfer 41", a six-barreled mortar, only for 120mm mines, also a kind of mini-Katyusha, I can imagine how powerful the strike will be with 6 HE mines at the same time. In addition, there are no problems with reserves of 120mm mines. For some reason, the 82-mm Vasilek mortar was removed from service, instead of modifying and improving it. To combat irregular bandit formations, these are necessary and useful artillery systems. As Mitek rightly noted, it would be nice to hide these systems under armor. The most important thing for their use is modern systems of aiming, axle linking, communication, coordination, etc.
        4. Metlik
          Metlik 9 October 2013 11: 11
          +5
          Quote: Mitek
          Direct support machine. A la battalion mortar.

          A mortar on a tiger will be much more useful. More accuracy, less ammunition consumption, more shells can be taken with you.
        5. igor67
          igor67 9 October 2013 11: 31
          +1
          Quote: Mitek
          Quote: igor67
          And who to arm with such a mini, army,? Hardly, only the so-called "liberation movements", perhaps.

          How can I tell you ... the thing is mobile, fast, light. Airborne, floating base marines. Intelligence can support. Pros - lack of coordination with the senior management. I saw-fitted-vtrepal-quickly went to recharge. In urban conditions, it is generally irreplaceable. Almost direct fire can work. He leaned out, was discharged into the building and left. In short, where it is difficult to use large MLRS, this baby can help, but they must be subordinate to the battalion commanders. Without any coordination, gunners and other joy. Direct support machine. A la battalion mortar. Of course, the unification of calibers, etc. ... I'm not saying that this machine needs to be replaced with everything that is, this is nonsense. But a chance must be given to her. Especially in SEO. With its mountains, loins often inaccessible to shelling from heavier systems. When posting columns can come in handy. A pickup truck with NUR is not capable of this. There is no reservation and no base capable of withstanding the return of a powerful salvo, and firing one at a time is death.

          I repeat, if most likely there will be a drone on the opposite side, believe me they hang high for days, how can you not noticeably make a volley and dump it? In urban conditions there will be losses of the civilian population. Therefore, the article is written for third countries
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 9 October 2013 13: 37
            0
            The video was impressive. +
            1. igor67
              igor67 9 October 2013 14: 02
              +3
              Quote: Black Colonel
              The video was impressive. +

              The video was posted purely on the technical, not political,
      3. seller trucks
        seller trucks 9 October 2013 10: 05
        +2
        Well, yes, here is the version of the SZO of the Armenian army, as I understand it, for GAZ 33081 "Sadko"

        http://www.arms-expo.ru/049051124051050048053054.html
      4. Xroft
        Xroft 9 October 2013 11: 13
        +3
        African armies are just like that, their market rate.
    2. Basileus
      Basileus 9 October 2013 08: 26
      0
      I immediately remembered when I saw it for the first time.
    3. mirag2
      mirag2 9 October 2013 08: 27
      +9
      Well, excuse the “ridiculous” thing? It’s very even lepo-and the rebels are hounding the government soldiers just on the way!
      I say this, in lightened war scenarios, light, well-armed equipment shows itself very well. Infantry (RPGs, ATGMs, IEDs) fight tanks, enemy infantry remains, which is struck precisely from such installations. + Sniper is what’s now Syria is an example for you.
      And to create armada of tanks is not the time.
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 9 October 2013 08: 39
        +1
        Actually, I believe that it is important to increase the effectiveness of everything that we only have and exist. And you need to start with the infantrymen, they should be armed as shown to Putin-type Warrior kit.
        At least automatic machines with balanced automation, with sights (collimator, optics), When in your hands a machine gun firing more precisely, can I hit the target fewer times? After all, will I kill more enemies before I die?
        It is better to improve what is, rather than scatter resources on a bunch of feces, which you will have to tinker with later, and spend these resources.
        And so it should be in everything in our army.
        Look at the Germans, they rarely create new weapons. But what they created is sucked up from all sides. And good. Recently I saw them a new machine gun, it shoots almost without recoil. And how long did they have a machine gun before that? -Actually MG?
      2. a52333
        a52333 9 October 2013 09: 09
        +1
        And to create armada of tanks is not the time.
        Yeah, I think it's a good idea. Easy. quickly reloads. Not everywhere it is worth firing a gun. Sometimes it’s enough to wave a fly swatter. You do not forget, if the civilian population around is a hail and you will not let it go.
        1. igor67
          igor67 9 October 2013 09: 40
          +3
          Quote: a52333
          And to create armada of tanks is not the time.
          Yeah, I think it's a good idea. Easy. quickly reloads. Not everywhere it is worth firing a gun. Sometimes it’s enough to wave a fly swatter. You do not forget, if the civilian population around is a hail and you will not let it go.

          Excuse me, but in 2006 it was for us. 105mm rockets were fired at cities, and the spread of these rockets is the same as that of the Grad, against whom to use it? I repeat, as Basilius wrote above, when using this installation against a hostile army, this will be its first last salvo, what kind of scout is this, well, not for the "partisans" to do it?
          1. sesame
            sesame 9 October 2013 20: 22
            0
            That's just for guerrilla warfare, it will be just right - shot back into the bushes.
      3. igor67
        igor67 9 October 2013 09: 18
        0
        Quote: mirag2
        Well, excuse the “ridiculous” thing? It’s very even lepo-and the rebels are hounding the government soldiers just on the way!
        I say this, in lightened war scenarios, light, well-armed equipment shows itself very well. Infantry (RPGs, ATGMs, IEDs) fight tanks, enemy infantry remains, which is struck precisely from such installations. + Sniper is what’s now Syria is an example for you.
        And to create armada of tanks is not the time.

        And if the second side has, say, drones? This is a question of why such a mini is needed, if for "all sorts of oppositionists" they are designers themselves, for the army, I still doubt it.
        1. max702
          max702 9 October 2013 21: 05
          0
          We all know which side has drones, and the others don’t, and the efforts of the first will not be for a long time, if we are fighting an enemy who has drones and who knows how to use them, it means a war with Israel or NATO, which in principle is one and also, and in this case a different caliber will be applied .. You already excuse too many of you ... And these machines are quite suitable to deal with the hires of your special services on the outskirts of our country.
      4. SkiF_RnD
        SkiF_RnD 21 October 2013 00: 41
        0
        The rebels simply do not have an adequate analogue of the army TBR, MLRS, self-propelled artillery and turntables. So they dodge as they can. And the loss of the army from the actions of the rebels is, as usual, ambushes, land mines, losses during the storming of cities from the fire of snipers and RPGshnikov ... IMHO
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    6. Klibanophoros
      Klibanophoros 11 October 2013 06: 46
      0
      But why? It all depends on the theater of war. This kind of technique is capable of inflicting great damage on linear parts. Type in a search engine: "Toyota War", maybe even so the topic will be revealed.

      And yes, I am terribly unhappy with the fact that our generals still rivet cardboard BMDs, "having no analogues in the world", but cannot order light and heavy airborne buggies to quickly move the paratroopers over rough terrain.

      In the meantime, the one-of-a-kind unit was designed by the late Colonel Swan on his knee from the Niva in his garage.
      1. Klibanophoros
        Klibanophoros 11 October 2013 06: 47
        0
        Buggy Lebedev:
  2. waisson
    waisson 9 October 2013 07: 59
    +5
    I think that this installation is needed and it will find application in the troops
  3. Igor39
    Igor39 9 October 2013 08: 03
    +6
    Good machine for counter-terrorism events.
    1. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 9 October 2013 10: 37
      +3
      The battery, a mini-MLRS division, with a firing range of 10 km, is an excellent means of fire reinforcement of a motorized rifle brigade.
      Mobility, rate of fire, stealth, very decent power of 105 mm missiles are all in the spirit of modern military operations, where intelligence and speed come first.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 9 October 2013 08: 15
    +4
    Of course it will come in handy so as not to hammer with "flies" and "bumblebees" some kind of fortified house with terrorists.
    Reset the neighbors and give a volley, and the mini also needs a bulldozer and a seeder to immediately level the ruins and sow the wheat.
    1. alex-cn
      alex-cn 9 October 2013 09: 41
      0
      and then how to identify the corpses?
  5. os9165
    os9165 9 October 2013 08: 17
    +4
    Good machine for counter-terrorism events. And the tasks for the army become MINI.
  6. mirag2
    mirag2 9 October 2013 08: 21
    +2
    But what is the absurdity here? Very good technology, one that we did not have for a long time. What threatens us? Or a global nuclear conflict (complete end and piz.etz everything) or the so-called. "network-centric war (s)" - what is worth preparing for, and this vehicle with PU was created for her.
    These wars are wars of small, mobile, equipped with drones (not only, of course) groups of virtually independent detachments.
  7. Aubert
    Aubert 9 October 2013 08: 33
    +1
    Papus to drive on the savannah - that's it.
  8. saag
    saag 9 October 2013 08: 45
    +1
    But what if 20 tubes with ATGMs and one guidance device?
    1. yanus
      yanus 9 October 2013 11: 59
      +2
      Quote: saag
      But what if 20 tubes with ATGMs and one guidance device?

      Tell the cost of ATGM or find yourself?
  9. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 9 October 2013 08: 59
    +4
    Quote: Mitek
    In urban conditions, it is generally irreplaceable. Almost direct fire can work. He leaned out, was discharged into the building and left

    In the town? It is possible in the city. It seems that in a capital building from this thing you can hide. But in the open, it’s unlikely. Therefore, in operations to destroy small infantry groups and undisclosed firing points - the most MOT! And also, for our border guards in Tajikistan to destroy caravans with drugs, for example.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 9 October 2013 10: 38
      0
      Border guards piled in 2005, 201 divisions remained.
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 9 October 2013 14: 58
        +1
        The border guards will return to the Tajik border again, this is included in the package to extend the 201 base to the 2042 year.
  10. alex-cn
    alex-cn 9 October 2013 09: 09
    +5
    "Thus, for the new MLRS there are only tasks, the solution of which is associated with the" hit-and-run "technique." FIRST - they are all forced to act in this way, and secondly, we had a similar technique, 12 - driving, in my opinion, on the GAZ-66 chassis, was in service for a long time, which means it found its niche.
  11. KEKS44
    KEKS44 9 October 2013 09: 15
    +5
    In small quantities for the special forces or the Airborne Forces is quite suitable.
  12. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 9 October 2013 09: 16
    +5
    Quote: alex-cn
    12- directing, in my opinion, the chassis of the GAZ-66, was in service for a long time, so it found its niche.

    Yes, such cars were in artillery regiments in the Airborne Forces. But this will be more mobile.
    1. alex-cn
      alex-cn 9 October 2013 09: 36
      +1
      I knew them from the border guards
    2. combat192
      combat192 9 October 2013 09: 45
      0
      Quote: alex-cn
      12- directing, in my opinion, the chassis of the GAZ-66, was in service for a long time, so it found its niche.
      Yes, such cars were in artillery regiments in the Airborne Forces. But this will be more mobile.


      There were, and not only artillery regiments of the Airborne Forces.
      And about mobility is a moot point. Few cars can be compared to "shishiga" in cross-country ability.

  13. The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 9 October 2013 09: 17
    10
    We are waiting for "micro-cities" based on a motorcycle and a bicycle.
    1. avt
      avt 9 October 2013 11: 40
      +5
      Quote: Injun Joe
      We are waiting for "micro-cities" based on a motorcycle and a bicycle.

      good laughing Can you imagine how many enthusiastic comments your initiative will cause? How many "necessary" counter-terrorist missions can be accomplished! Why there! We need to do manual nano-hail.
      1. not good
        not good 9 October 2013 23: 04
        +3
        Nano-grad is to Chubais, he will justify the infrastructure wassat
    2. Akim
      Akim 9 October 2013 11: 46
      +2
      Quote: Injun Joe
      based on a motorcycle and a bicycle.

      On the basis of LuAZ there. Soon kvartrocytsy will begin to release and adapt there.
    3. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 9 October 2013 14: 19
      +3
      Quote: Injun Joe
      We are waiting for "micro-cities" based on a motorcycle and a bicycle.

      And terrorists will create a "jihad scooter" laughing lol
  14. saag
    saag 9 October 2013 09: 21
    +2
    Quote: Injun Joe
    We are waiting for "micro-cities" based on a motorcycle and a bicycle.

    on the basis of the Urals, you can stir up 3x3 :-)
  15. leon-iv
    leon-iv 9 October 2013 09: 40
    0
    IMHO Dream of Reason. Although the whales for toyota barriors aka ka slippers can be purchased.
  16. Evgeny_Lev
    Evgeny_Lev 9 October 2013 09: 45
    +2
    Only the munition itself can decide its fate. If they shove something mediocre there, then they need to, but if they shove it in caliber and length, something interesting, for example, an UAV reconnaissance and target designator for the rest in a salvo of missiles, it might be interesting.
  17. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 9 October 2013 09: 47
    0
    Cheap and cheerful. Niche, for example escort of colonies in the North Caucasus. Or a sale to the Middle East or Africa, they will take it, they are just right.
  18. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 9 October 2013 09: 56
    0
    Quote: combat192
    There were, and not only artillery regiments of the Airborne Forces, but about mobility is a controversial issue. Few cars can be compared to "shishiga" in cross-country ability.

    At one time, it was developed as a landing version of the "Grad". It is called BM-21V. She also had the roof of the cockpit, when mooring for landing. The photo shows the canvas roof of the cab.
    And as for mobility and patency - life will show.
    There are applications for these cars.
  19. SkyMaXX
    SkyMaXX 9 October 2013 09: 57
    +1
    I saw the name, but did not see the picture. He looked only at Grad trucks and thought that there shouldn’t look like minigrad: for example, a Tiger car, and rocket modules like ATGM Cornet should be installed on the roof, there are only a lot of launchers and missiles are uncontrolled. And what do you think, scrolled the page further and saw this Tiger with missiles. So, as I thought, I saw it.
    I will add: missiles should have several modifications with a fragmentation warhead, thermobaric and at least some kind of cumulative to destroy light armored vehicles.
    Although such weapons are great for rebels and militants, but I am against such armed formations, they are still bandits, I do not recommend selling them to obviously non-pro-Russian formations.
    And to sell equipment to government armies.
  20. Agent 008
    Agent 008 9 October 2013 10: 20
    +2
    Personally, I think that the more different weapon systems, the better ... "Mini-Grad" is good because it is mobile. For example, to find a group of militants, about twenty people, to quickly drive this little car, and while the bandits scatter in different directions, cover them on a relatively large area ... In my opinion, a good option for a small war ...
  21. rpek32
    rpek32 9 October 2013 10: 39
    0
    the goats were hitched to a goat. artillery in the city. What an idea.
  22. Seventh
    Seventh 9 October 2013 11: 13
    0
    I think that the 12.7 machine gun on the roof will be much more relevant and the gunner will be easily booked, but a la Hammer, I hope these already exist. The machine will not be replaceable for escort, instead of UAZs with armor plates on the doors.
  23. Massik
    Massik 9 October 2013 11: 16
    +1
    The minuses are much more striking than the pluses, well, even if 20 missiles of 105 mm with this dispersion are unlikely to give a greater effect than one MLRS "Smerch" missile. If each missile is equipped with good computer stuffing, together with a launcher (which will increase the cost every 10), you can still destroy the bunker or the house with 5-10 hits. On the other hand, it is much easier to install a launcher with a larger class 1 missile, which will only lose by the area of ​​destruction, and even that is not a fact.
  24. Akim
    Akim 9 October 2013 11: 50
    0
    Small MLRS for the Airborne Forces and aeromobilists are needed, but what is in the picture is nonsense. The whole body of the heavy "Tiger". Only an armored cabin would be enough.
    1. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 5 January 2014 20: 25
      +2
      Are you sure that the 20 RS does not yet lie in this armored hull for reloading? Logically, they are tamm and their armor will not be superfluous either :-) For it is said: 20 guides, but the ammunition is 40 RS :-)
  25. kudwar68
    kudwar68 9 October 2013 11: 51
    +1
    It is best to put the NURS aviation system on small cars, and the number of shells is greater, and in the mountainous and wooded areas of the Caucasus it is more convenient to destroy bandyukov. I saw these among the Abkhazians in the 90s, they smacked at the Georgians in the nearby mountains, the range is of course small, but for the range there is "hail", "tornado", etc.
  26. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 9 October 2013 12: 02
    0
    Cheaper again, like a tank without a gun. But what is there to develop, differing NURSs?
  27. Turtles
    Turtles 9 October 2013 12: 05
    +2
    For me, such a machine is needed. Especially for units of the Airborne Forces.
    Quote: Marssik
    The minuses are much more striking than the pluses, well, even if 20 missiles of 105 mm with this dispersion are unlikely to give a greater effect than one MLRS "Smerch" missile. If each missile is equipped with good computer stuffing, together with a launcher (which will increase the cost every 10), you can still destroy the bunker or the house with 5-10 hits. On the other hand, it is much easier to install a launcher with a larger class 1 missile, which will only lose by the area of ​​destruction, and even that is not a fact.

    Do you know the characteristics of this complex, in particular dispersion, lesion area? Then share. About Tornado is generally beautiful, but you can also hammer nails with a microscope.
  28. scientist
    scientist 9 October 2013 12: 20
    +4
    You forget about one important military component. This is the need to counter gangs in the mountains. For example, in the region of Dagestan and Chechnya. After all, gangs seep along mountain trails where no heavy equipment can pass, and air support is often limited by weather conditions, and stingers in the mountains are dangerous. Border guards in mountainous areas, where support can and wait for Mini-Grad does not hurt.
    It makes sense to make it portable or on a trailer that can be hooked on any jeep.
    But it’s very dangerous to sell such installations over a hill; it’s not enough for anyone to get these missiles in their hands.
  29. Turkestan
    Turkestan 9 October 2013 12: 54
    +2
    Dear Forum participants. In DRA Craftsmen of the Soviet Army have already made such installations. This was taken by the aviation blocks UB16 and UB32. mounted on, carriages, a tripod which in turn was cooked on the back of Kamaz. Caravans of fillers were always accompanied by such machines. I remember how auto service officers asked for decommissioned units for installation on cars. However, for some reason, the command did not pay attention to this work of motorists. In my opinion, in vain. Blocks not large compact can be installed on any equipment. The only thing for them is to pick up a decent carriage with an eye. And this thing in the army will not be interchangeable. In LENINGRAD, I saw these blocks on the warships of the Baltic Fleet.
  30. Manul
    Manul 9 October 2013 13: 14
    +1
    Good car. Add Cornet (2), plus develop on the same base of the Tiger air defense with a miniradar and several MANPADS Igla (3), a launch complex for UAVs (4), and you can also come up with a mortar version (5). And it turns out to be an excellent sabotage group, which is difficult to detect from air and from satellites. And those who do not understand the need for small equipment can remember how in the USSR they suffered at construction sites when there were only Belazy and Kirovtsy around. And all sorts of bobkets are often immeasurably more convenient. Everything starts with missiles and ends with melee. And when the missiles are fired, the planes fly by - then the enemy infantry will come. And the time will come for these machines.
  31. saag
    saag 9 October 2013 13: 29
    0
    Quote: yanus
    Tell the cost of ATGM or find yourself?

    Well expensive, so cheap is never good, and from a closed position, without rolling out bang snipers at a firing point
    1. Turtles
      Turtles 9 October 2013 14: 59
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      We have no ATGMs homing, we need to highlight the goal. So from a closed position will not work.
  32. runway
    runway 9 October 2013 14: 05
    -7
    Well isn't it funny - for intelligence units and border troops - this 81 mm rocket launcher. When the main requirement for equipment for such units is stealth, maneuverability and speed. Here she or they (MLRS) will shoot at the midgets the whole package of 20 pieces and the calculation will say: "Enemies, wait at least 3 minutes - we need to reload. For what - stop, get out of the car, run to the transport-loading vehicle (conveyor) take the shells and run to the MLRS - load .... As for the Airborne Forces, the troops already have normal MLRS, without any additions MINI .... Thus, only the Ministry of Internal Affairs units remain. Well, and what, one wonders, was the tail to twist the ox? It is clear that against the unarmed population this pukalka was developed.
    Recently, an article was discussed on the site when Rogozin was presented with a car with a machine gun mounted on the roof. At the same time, it was stated that, if necessary, a grenade launcher would be installed .... The Kremlin thought and decided that such a need had already arrived. In connection with the growth of protest moods among the people, it is time to put a reactive system on the machine .... This alone is clearly not enough.
  33. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 9 October 2013 15: 06
    +1
    Quote: piston
    Thus, only units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs remain. Well, and what, one wonders, was the tail to twist the ox? It is clear that against the unarmed population this pukalka was developed.

    With increased zeal against the civilian unarmed population, you can use anything, including WMD, it all depends on a sick imagination.
  34. Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx 9 October 2013 15: 46
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    For the war with China - that’s it ...
  35. lpd1
    lpd1 9 October 2013 17: 29
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    Each dish has its own device. The carrier should be as cheap as possible with reservations from snipers. They can rely on UAVs only with obvious superiority, with equal opposition, they will try to destroy them in the very first hours.
  36. pensioner
    pensioner 9 October 2013 20: 59
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    Research and Production Enterprise "Start" (Ekaterinburg)
    Intersny: where is it? Itself is not young already far away. But I don't remember NPO "Start" ... It is clear that there is. And on the basis of which plant? It seems that I know everything ... And no one belongs to "Start" ... Not a spy ... Not at all ... At least I understand allegorically. Here the infa was even more mysterious: in Yo-burg drones want to start producing. Well, here not only I, but also more deserved comrades did not understand: "Where?" On Uktus, or what? Just outline the topic, who knows ... Silence! angry
  37. understudy
    understudy 9 October 2013 23: 39
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    A smart thing. I, as an "ancient scout", have one question - will this device openly "stick out" on the roof or be brought into a combat position by some kind of lift? For "shoot and run away" is that! good
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 10 October 2013 00: 46
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      Here is a thought! Secret location for DRG is it. good
  38. bublic82009
    bublic82009 10 October 2013 00: 55
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    in the current conditions, such artillery systems do not make sense to bullet in areas. everything goes on to deliver precision-punched points with guided weapons. civilized armies do not make sense to shoot squares. the US MLRS is increasingly adapting to launch guided missile strikes. and we all aim to shoot at squares. Now, if a launcher for firing guided weapons is equipped on such a machine, this will be good. at a distance of 1-5 km, strike at a fortified firing point, throw a charge exactly at the target through the knoll, then yes there will be no price.
  39. vahatak
    vahatak 10 October 2013 02: 19
    +1
    In modern wars, cheap and simple weapons are in great demand, because developed and rich countries rarely fight each other, and most conflicts take place in third world countries. Military operations are of low intensity, the participants there are poorly trained, and the parties have not much money, so such types of weapons can be very useful there. We must also remember that during the years of the Cold War, this was rarely done, because the two main manufacturers of weapons in the imir competed in the quality and improvement of all the indicators of their equipment, and when such weapons fall on some kind of Libya or Syria, it turns out that their capacity is superfluous, and they are too expensive and complicated to deal with irregular parts.
  40. rezident
    rezident 10 October 2013 20: 06
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    I don’t know in doubt. If in the city she lies, does she have time to shoot her pack before she is covered with return fire. Fortunately, this jeep machine gun is enough. But the NURSs do not shoot far, or rather, they have a large scatter.
  41. Russen barbar
    Russen barbar 28 October 2013 01: 32
    -1
    The power of the MLRS on the Tiger is incomparable with the MLRS in the URAL. It should be added that BM "Grad" is usually used by a group of 10-20-30 vehicles. It is such a volley that gives a significant result. I can hardly imagine a battery of Tigers firing a volley at an enemy regiment. Most likely, such a machine will be used alone or in a small group of 3-4 pieces.
    MLRS are different. There is a system "Grad" 122mm up to 20 km of the range of destruction, there is a system "Smerch" 300mm up to 90 km of the range of destruction. Do you need a "mini" 81-105 mm system based on the Tiger or on his relative Sadko?
    The armored personnel carrier itself (armored carrier of soldiers) The Tiger is very good, as are the Typhoon KamAZ and URAL armored personnel carriers. Their German counterparts in NATO are Fennek and Grizzly. An armored UAZ will give you the worst cross-country ability and protection. It has long been outdated and is a simple SUV, but not a fighting vehicle. His destiny is work in the rear along with the Urals and KamAZ trucks.
    Fighting purposefully on "purebred" armored personnel carriers is not expected. They can perfectly fulfill their task of safely transporting crews without built-in weapons, shifting these problems to turret armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and Tanks. But as a simple security measure, increasing the combat role and usefulness in the army, armored vehicles of the Tiger and Typhoon type can be given 12,7mm machine guns, grenade launchers, mortars, ATGMs, MANPADS, etc.
    Such a decision will not fundamentally change the situation on the fronts, but will bring some help and contribution to the victory.
    At the expense of the MLRS ... Well, if the TIGER can be imagined as the smallest, fastest and easiest to transport combat vehicle, then the GAZ-3308 SADKO MLRS can be imagined as the smallest and most portable (helicopter) rocket launcher.