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Gai Borisov: “The Crusade is the opposite”: the expansion of the “jihadists” cannot be stopped by police methods

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Gai Borisov: “The Crusade is the opposite”: the expansion of the “jihadists” cannot be stopped by police methodsThe global financial and economic crisis that has been going on for five years has aggravated, as usually happens in such cases, the geopolitical confrontation of the main centers of power and the struggle for the expansion of spheres of influence. This, in particular, affects the situation around the EU Eastern Partnership program, the ultimate goal of which is the absorption of a number of former Soviet republics into the zone of influence of the West. The situation in the countries of the Near and Middle East takes even more acute forms. And this raises questions about the need to revise the traditional, customary forms of coexistence of powers in the permanent competition mode.


The fact is that the so-called The "Arab spring" was only a kind of "trigger", giving rise to very ambiguous and potentially extremely dangerous trends. In this regard, it begs historical analogy. When at the end of the XI century, Pope Urban II at the Clermont Cathedral called for a Crusade against the "infidels", he did not even hide that, in addition to ideological (the liberation of the Holy Sepulcher), there are also quite pressing economic reasons for expansion to the East. The situation in Western Europe was deplorable, the available productive forces and industrial relations have exhausted their potential, and this is against the backdrop of increasing demographic pressure. And the Pope spoke quite frankly in the sense that Europe is no longer able to feed its growing Christian population, therefore, it is required to conquer new, rich lands in the East.

It seems that something similar is happening in our days, only expansion has a reverse vector. And this is quite understandable, since in the Near and Middle East there are exactly the same circumstances that once caused the Crusades and other colonial, regional and world wars. Many countries in the region have dropped out of the mainstream of the development of a post-industrial society; traditional methods of farming do not allow for a decent life for a significant part of the rapidly growing population, half of which, moreover, is young people.

This, in turn, explains why, in the course of the “Arab Spring”, instead of the expected democratic forces, religious fundamentalists began to replace the authoritarian regimes. Any totalitarianism offers easy (and therefore impracticable) solutions for solving complex problems, but it is precisely the seeming ease that attracts numerous followers to the teachings and movements of this kind. What is happening now in Syria is a clear confirmation of this.

The "democratic opposition" raised by the West in the face of the "National Coalition of Syrian Revolutionary Forces" is losing popularity before our very eyes. Its combat units are massively declaring the transfer to the side of the radicals directly associated with al-Qaeda. The other day, this quite obvious circumstance was recognized by the Russian Foreign Ministry. Deputy Director of the Information and Press Department, Maria Zakharova, in particular, stated that the balance of power in the ranks of the opposition in Syria is resolutely in favor of the Islamists. In this regard, the Foreign Ministry calls for "a more realistic look at what is happening on the Syrian land."

It seems, however, that this call was late: there is already evidence that al-Qaeda is going to oust all its opponents - both government troops and “secular opposition” units from a number of areas at the junction of Syria’s borders with Iraq and Turkey where he plans to create his own state - a prototype of the future of the Caliphate. Undoubtedly, the danger felt in Washington - and also too late. CIA instructors began training militants for "secular opposition" units in Jordan. But, firstly, according to the American media, the scale of this program is small, for the current year no more than a thousand fighters were trained, and they were trained, as it turns out. the most elementary things - what we call the "young fighter's course", i.e. - the basics of military affairs. Secondly, there is no guarantee that, once in Syria, these people do not immediately go over to the side of the radicals.

A significant part of the fighters of radical groups are, as you know, foreign mercenaries. President Bashar Assad believes that there are currently thousands of mercenaries fighting in 10 in Syria and does not rule out that at one point, the “moderate” Syrian rebels will ask official Damascus to help them resist the advancing Islamists.

Such a development is unlikely, but not completely excluded. The problem, however, is that even this will be a belated step. Another very dangerous abscess is brewing in parallel in Afghanistan, where the existing government will sit on the bayonets of the soldiers of the international peacekeeping corps as much as they will remain in this country. Meanwhile, as is known, the withdrawal of coalition forces from Afghanistan has already begun. In April next year, the country will hold presidential elections. And it is more than likely that the well-known and influential religious fundamentalist Abdul Rasul Sayyaf will be elected head of state, and the main field commander, Ismail Khan, will become the first vice-president. Imam Sayaf is a very conservative figure, and there is no doubt that with his help Afghanistan will instantly turn into a Sharia state. By the way, IA REGNUM has already reported that at least the fact that the leading Islamist terrorist group operating in the Philippines speaks of its views speaks about the views of this confessor. He once helped Osama bin Laden to move from Sudan to Afghanistan, and the organizers of the September 11 attacks of September 2001 were his students.

Essentially, all this means that al-Qaeda (as a collective concept) will extend its influence from the shores of the Eastern Mediterranean to the spurs of the Hindu Kush. And this is only for the beginning, because there is no doubt that the expansion of the “jihadists” (that is, a kind of “Crusade on the contrary”) will expand and gain strength.

However, it seems that the true meaning and consequences of such a development are assessed superficially. For example, the other day in Yerevan, where the Canal-Caucasus anti-drug exercises, Director of the Federal Drug Control Service of the Russian Federation Viktor Ivanov, were held in the framework of the CSTO, said, in particular: "We understand that this was once there ( in Syria - ed.) will end, and therefore, the army of legionnaire mercenaries, losing their jobs there, may rush into the Caucasus, especially since there are "gold-bearing" streams of hashish and heroin. By riding these streams, they will receive even greater income, what they get for participating in the hostilities in Syria. " This is an erroneous approach - just as it is mistaken to assume that after completing military training in the ranks of the Syrian radicals, their Russian counterparts "just" return to their homeland and join the Wahhabis of the North Caucasus and Volga region.

It is time, finally, to understand that "there" will not end by itself. It is time to understand that this is not about the "return" of several hundred mercenaries and / or a quantitative increase in drug trafficking. The real prospect is much darker. The times when the “struggle against the wrong” was conducted by scattered radical groups led by semi-literate field commanders are passing (if they have not left) into the past. In place of them come the structure of the state level. And, by the way, the success of fundamentalists in the Middle East is largely due to the fact that they are provided with effective support by some states of the region - for example, the Wahhabi Saudi kingdom. The number of such centers of state ideological expansion, as we see, may soon increase substantially. And this means that it is no longer necessary to resist such prospects with traditional police methods. Combating the ideology and practice of state terrorism requires an action of an appropriate scale.

It seems that the great powers and secular regimes of the region are obliged in this situation at least temporarily to unite their efforts, despite all the existing differences and the usual geopolitical competition, since the times are approaching very unusual. After all, the concept of a zone of geopolitical influence is by no means exhausted today by the levers of a military-political and economic character that a country possesses. No less important is the ideological, spiritual aspect, because it is the spiritual component, as already mentioned, that plays a very large role in the spreading offensive of the radicals. And the sooner this is understood by the main actors and performers on the world stage, the sooner the appropriate conclusions are drawn and the necessary measures are taken, the more hopes that the imminent danger can be overcome.
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  1. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 9 October 2013 07: 43 New
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    Well, how do you like the "age of OPEN doors" - the removal of the "iron curtain"? Already in St. Petersburg, today in the news on TV they showed how the propaganda "to fight the WRONGS" was carried out in the mosque, in Russia itself. Oh, the power and "play out" in TOLERANCE ...
    1. waisson
      waisson 9 October 2013 07: 52 New
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      I think that we have already played out and in order to return everything to its former place we need strength and firmness to eradicate this infection, and we have weak or none at all
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 9 October 2013 08: 01 New
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        Or maybe this HARBORIES is somehow interested in tension in the country, otherwise why there is no decisive action? What do they want IT to wander, wander, and then - SPLASH? But aggressive muslims are armed to the teeth, while the Orthodox have only arms.
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 9 October 2013 21: 43 New
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          Or maybe the leadership wants the collapse of the country? So that each of the galaxy of associates becomes a bai in its own fragment.
      2. Vladimir.z.
        Vladimir.z. 9 October 2013 08: 50 New
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        Quote: waisson
        .... already played out ...



        In the cities and towns of Russia, young Asians ride in cars with songs in Russian turned on at full volume in which they call the young under black banners for jihad with infidels and throw off crosses from churches and hoist the black banners of the Caliphate ... and the police are not sees yes in this very "office" Asians are already in leadership positions ...
        1. Airman
          Airman 9 October 2013 10: 23 New
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          Quote: Vladimir.z.



          In the cities and towns of Russia, young Asians ride in cars with songs in Russian turned on at full volume in which they call the young under black banners for jihad with infidels and throw off crosses from churches and hoist the black banners of the Caliphate ... and the police are not sees yes in this very "office" Asians are already in leadership positions ...

          We already have so many of them that even if you send 5 trains daily for 1000 people each, it will take several years, and every day they come to us by air and trains. The unwillingness of the authorities to solve these problems will lead to the unwillingness of the people to have such power.
          1. zvereok
            zvereok 9 October 2013 21: 48 New
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            But we have implemented the Luzhkov Plan - they work in Moscow, and live in the immediate suburbs. By the way, the recent creation of places where in Kurban Bayram you can bring sacrifices ... Also, not a single one in Moscow, all around, in the nearest cities near Moscow ...
    2. Canep
      Canep 9 October 2013 08: 07 New
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      Quote: ia-ai00
      Already in St. Petersburg, today in the news on TV they showed how the propaganda "to fight the INCIDENTS" was conducted in the mosque, in Russia itself

      The legs of this one grow from Saudi Arabia and Qatar. In my opinion, it is necessary to ban ALL citizens from these countries from entering the territory of the Customs Union, and introduce responsibility for our citizens to visit these countries, and also not to let in foreigners who have ever been there. Pilgrims to Mecca will have to stay at home, but in my opinion it is necessary not to spread extremism in the territory of the Customs Union. (you can minus)
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 9 October 2013 08: 32 New
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        Feet grow here from the Kremlin))))
        When will you see this ???
        The policy is headless, and It will end with the hanging of the "authorities", since the TEs have relied on migrants, and not on the "aborigines"))) - the inhabitants of the original world.
        The ineptitude will end in liquidation, although the deputies from United Russia (and not only from it)) will ask to "protect" them from the "plague" that came from Central Asia and the Caucasus))) and it will be the FMS, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Governors-that imported them here))) And the collapse of the state with the hanging and murder of "colonels" ...... LEGAL RESULT (unfortunately)))
        1. shark
          shark 9 October 2013 09: 34 New
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          the reluctance of the authorities to show rigidity now will lead to even more blood later. At the same time, one must start acting yesterday!
        2. Garrin
          Garrin 9 October 2013 12: 02 New
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          Quote: Asgard
          When will you see this ???

          Interestingly, I alone had a desire to organize machine-gun points in front of the turnstiles?
        3. georg737577
          georg737577 9 October 2013 12: 55 New
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          Thanks, Asgard. Impressive - not the right word ... I lived and studied in Moscow - before perestroika. And there were only Russian faces around. And such - in a nightmare God forbid to see ... I would like to ask - is this Moscow? Nightmare!
        4. fedorovith
          fedorovith 9 October 2013 16: 53 New
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          How are they .... jumping, ram he is ram everywhere.
        5. dark_65
          dark_65 20 October 2013 18: 04 New
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          This is really scary, and makes you think.
      2. shark
        shark 9 October 2013 09: 26 New
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        Why minus it. But this is a complicated matter. By banning a pilgrimage to Mecca, we ourselves will provoke confrontations in a new phase. But we do not have the right to give Russian citizenship to Kyrgyz, Tajiks and others. The authorities do not understand that these people are not a solution to demographic problems . Rather, the opposite. What kind of woman wants to give birth if there are dirty and dark unpleasant images around
        1. alone
          alone 9 October 2013 11: 21 New
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          Quote: shark
          By banning a pilgrimage to Mecca, we ourselves will provoke confrontations in a new phase. But we do not have the right to give Russian citizenship to Kyrgyz, Tajiks and others. The authorities do not understand that these people are not a solution to demographic problems. Rather, the opposite is what kind of woman wants to give birth if there are dirty and dark unpleasant images around


          say the right thing. The best way to keep them out of the country is to let them through the herds, and then begin to fight them. as if they were looking for problems on their own head.
          1. zvereok
            zvereok 9 October 2013 21: 52 New
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            Quote: lonely
            say the right thing. The best way to keep them out of the country is to let them through the herds, and then begin to fight them. as if they were looking for problems on their own head.


            Putin said no, then NO !. He says circumcision will begin to do, without fail, when applying for a job. If you refuse, + 5% of the tax and a fine of up to 300 thousand
        2. GDP
          GDP 9 October 2013 11: 40 New
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          You can’t give up citizenship. It is necessary to conduct strict selection and control. Let the Uzbeks of Kyrgyzstan and Tajiks receive our citizenship - they are the same people as we are. But only those who have a clear past, who are fluent in Russian, who have sufficient education and knowledge of our culture. Test adherence to radical ideologies using a lie detector. Obtaining citizenship should be carried out in two stages. The first is a probationary period - 5 years, during which we must check people who have received temporary citizenship and then permanent citizenship to those who have successfully integrated into our social and cultural environment.
      3. skeptic-
        skeptic- 9 October 2013 10: 31 New
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        Quote: Canep
        The legs of this one grow from Saudi Arabia and Qatar.


        All wrong and wrong guys. The main problem in the Global abscess from the corresponding bacilli - Harvard and Yale alumni. Only after sanitation of this abscess, the problems with metastases will come to naught. The twisting of a scenario with a self-destructive, dead-end branch of pseudo-Islamism is necessary for the soonest drive of the countries - sheep, into the power of the global mafia. For better controllability, "superfluous peoples" must go under the knife, which is also in line with the idea of ​​globalization.
        The proposed direction of Islam, in essence, contradicts the progress of science, i.e. the development of civilization, which will throw them back in the Middle Ages - this will make it possible, after fulfilling their destructive mission, to easily eliminate, as ballast is already unnecessary.
        And therefore, you must first deal with the cause, then it will be easier to resolve the issue with the consequences.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 9 October 2013 11: 27 New
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          Quote: skeptic
          For better controllability, the "superfluous peoples" must go under the knife, which is also consistent with the idea of ​​globalization. The proposed direction of Islam, in its essence, contradicts the progress of science, i.e. the development of civilization, which will throw them back into the Middle Ages - this will make it possible, after the fulfillment of their destructive mission, to be easily eliminated as unnecessary ballast.

          Quote: skeptic
          All wrong and wrong guys

          - I agree with Vysotsky in general and with you in particular.
          The only sober post among this emotional delirium with a racist little soul. The root of the problems is the elite of the West in alliance with the monarchies of the Persian Gulf. From there, the legs grow, and here they offer to fight with the consequences.

          In the SAJ it is noted that what is happening is the response of BV Muslims to the Crusades. Interesting to note
          Quote: shark
          But we are completely in our own right not to give Russian citizenship to Kyrgyz, Tajiks and others. The authorities do not understand that these people are not the solution to demographic problems. Rather, on the contrary, what kind of woman wants to give birth if there are dirty and dark unpleasant images

          - This is also a response of these guys to the expansion of Russia into those countries. Well, when tsarist Russia fell, it would be possible to rectify the matter and leave Russia from there. Then these
          Quote: shark
          dirty swarthy nasty images

          they themselves wanted independence, well, then it was necessary to let them go! To build impassable borders somewhere along the ShU river and along other rivers - and the business is over, no problems. No, they began to impose Soviet power - in fact, to re-colonize under "Sovietization" to carry out. Those - to resist, even the Basmachi appeared, even the Turks helped them in the form of Enver Hoxha - they suppressed everything bloody and harshly. Not this way? Look in the eyes !!!! Who asked you to go there? And now we don't want a reply? It's like "I fucked that woman, and now" this dirty, dark-skinned little creature "runs after me with a child at the ready! Let him lag behind!"
          Yes nifiga !!!! At one time they were not given freedom and time to build their own moral state — now you yourself will build it! It will be normal for them there - there is no need for them to go to Russia. If the Kazakhs are more or less (I would like better, but okay), then they hang around the world in the form of tourists. And the Kyrgyz, and Uzbeks, Tajiks are absolutely the same. Make them normal in the country - you won’t
          Quote: shark
          dirty dark nasty images
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 9 October 2013 11: 56 New
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            Make them normal in the country - you won’t

            So let them do it normally. Why climb to us?
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 9 October 2013 14: 46 New
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              Quote: ed65b
              So let them do it normally. Why climb to us?
              - Wait, you don't quite understand. When they were ripe for building their own state at the beginning of the last century (they actually matured before that, there was a chance to get nazisimot in connection with the fall of tsarism), the ImRussians did not allow this to be built! Then the international situation was favorable, and scientific and technical progress did not go so far - primitive aircraft had just appeared. But they didn't. Instead, they arranged pseudo-judgments under the name ".... Soviet Socialist Republic", which were viable only as part of the USSR, and were not at all adapted to independent existence. And if the collapse of the USSR nevertheless freed Russia a little from the content of these republics on its neck - Yeltsin took power on this idea, the catastrophic situation that arose in these countries immediately led to the same thing from which Russia tried to get away - the Russians still have to feed, only in a different form. The states themselves do not seem to stick to Russia, and the citizens of these states earn money in Russia - as they say, nothing has changed. There is only one way out - to help them build something adequate at home and live in it. Your "well, let them build for themselves" - does not work, they simply do not have the resources to build a state, a full-fledged state with all its institutions, etc.
              1. matross
                matross 9 October 2013 15: 54 New
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                Quote: aksakal
                they simply do not have the resources to build a state, a full-fledged state with all its institutions, etc.

                As they say - no legs, no sweets!
                No one will apologize ...
                In the 2-3 of the year, and the problem of Central Asian migrants in Russia will begin to be addressed in the most cruel way for them. In anticipation of the next presidential election.
                And the fact that someone, once, wasn’t given something, is called Big Politics. And everything that is not its subject becomes its object. There is nothing to smear the snot in favor of the poor.
                1. aksakal
                  aksakal 9 October 2013 16: 11 New
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                  Quote: matRoss
                  Another 2-3 years and the problem of Central Asian migrants in Russia will begin to be addressed in the most cruel way for them. In anticipation of the next presidential election. And the fact that someone, once, wasn’t given something, is called Big Politics. And everything that is not its subject becomes its object. There is nothing to smear the snot in favor of the poor.

                  - Try hard, stock up on popcorn. Just remember - there are forces that give a reason to shout "about the genocide of migrants in Russia", there may be retaliatory steps in the republics themselves, and at the household level there will be the same surge of violence against the remnants of the Russian population there (there are still many, a lot), and the elites of these republics will finally make a decision to leave from under Russian influence completely, at any cost - about the same as Georgia, which has already sunk to the point that Turkey is dearer to it, in fact, it has eaten some region of Georgia. Nice picture - Russia, surrounded by evil Georgians from the Baltics to China in a half-circle from west to south.
                  I understand that you don’t get used to Russian, but simply - WHY? what Maybe it’s even more comfortable for you - so that there are only enemies around you? If so, then it is clear.
                  1. ed65b
                    ed65b 9 October 2013 16: 21 New
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                    that's for sure, there is always someone on the nose to give so as not to relax. And you invite amers, they will love you.
                  2. matross
                    matross 9 October 2013 17: 00 New
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                    Quote: aksakal
                    as well as Georgia, which has already reached the point that Turkey is sweeter to it, in fact, having eaten some region of Georgia

                    To identify Saakashvili with his gang of fascist liberals and the whole of Georgia, and even more so its people, is at least unreasonable.
                    And the complexes torment you.
              2. ia-ai00
                ia-ai00 9 October 2013 16: 44 New
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                In these republics under Soviet power, people began to study, to receive treatment, they saw that besides their village with a donkey, there was something else in the world. If their rulers who came to power were the PATRIOTS of their countries, they would care about further development. And so, for themselves-LOVED, they raked up all the assets of their republics, and even hastily created all the "conditions" for the Russian-speaking population to be driven out of the country, actually banned the RUSSIAN language, even dispersed своих specialists who were educated in the USSR. And now, having destroyed, as they say, "to the ground," they began to invite RUSSIAN teachers, promising all the benefits, but I think very few people would want to work in a country that was kicked out only yesterday. So why again RUSSIAN Vanya has to improve their lives? They themselves - with the USAMI.
          2. shark
            shark 9 October 2013 14: 33 New
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            And the Kyrgyz, and Uzbeks, Tajiks are absolutely the same. Make them normal in your country - it won’t be with you. We (the Russian Empire, and later the Soviet Union) did exactly that. They built schools, hospitals, factories. They taught and treated. Some people even created national writing. You probably forgot how the Russians were driven out of their villages in the 90s, how they burst into their houses, raped daughters and killed their sons. Yes, for me they are DIRTY-SMOUGHLE UNPLEASANT IMAGES. Not grateful pigs. Now I will drive them out of my streets. I will not forget, I will not forgive.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 9 October 2013 15: 10 New
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              Quote: shark
              You probably forgot how the Russians were driven out of their villages in the 90s, how they burst into their homes, raped daughters and killed their sons. Yes, for me they are after that DIRTY-SMOUGLYN UNPLEASANT IMAGES.

              - Well, thank you for somehow circumventing me, although behind the scenes I’m still like a Kazakh on your list
              Quote: shark
              And the Kyrgyz, and Uzbeks, Tajiks

              laughing
              Resentment at such things was and will be. After all, I remind you again - not
              Quote: shark
              Russians in the 90s were driven from their villages

              namely, the Russians began "tired of feeding the Asians and half the world!" It was on this idea that Yeltsin took off and became hyperpopular - don't even deny it !!!! And all the further steps were of exactly this nature - like, "Get out!", All these financial operations carried out by Gaidar to push countries out of the ruble zone, as it were, unnecessary to you! And from the kishlaks they were already expelled according to the type "Oh, you are so! Well, then you will also get out of our kishlak!"
              What is the result now? These countries will try to survive. They have some risks and dangers, as well as ways to make money. And the dangers (well, there is such a suspicion) are created by him artificial. One of the ways to combine the useful with the pleasant, that is, chop the cabbage, and increase your security, is to place the US base yourself. But Russians categorically do not like such things. That is, the Russians do not like the Asians earning from them, the Russians do not like the Asians earning military-technical cooperation with the United States and any other country outside Russia, and the Russians do not want to invest anything in these countries at all they had no need to do what the Russians did not like. BUT IT DOESN’T HAPPEN !!!! No, it does. Unless if you burn the entire region with nuclear weapons, and all the same, the Americans will stick out there despite the strong radiation background, they will crawl anyway.
              So you like them, don’t like them, but instead of drooling, you need to sit down, think carefully and do something on a mutually beneficial basis! That Tajik would be happy to sit at home and grow fruits for residents of Kamchatka and the Far East! It doesn’t fit in my head - there are watermelons SHARE (in shares !!!!!!) sell !!!!! Like this? And in August, Tajiks DECREASE 70% of watermelons in August, they just disappear !!!! And all the difficulties - somehow agree with Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan for the unimpeded transit of Kamaz trucks through their territory, and for their traffic cops, SURROUNDED to forbid to touch those Kamaz trucks. But at the same time work effectively to curb drug trafficking. And this is only one of the exits, and there are a lot of them, if you attach your head.
              1. ed65b
                ed65b 9 October 2013 16: 02 New
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                Quote: aksakal
                namely, the Russians began "tired of feeding the Asians and half the world!"

                Well, this is a goofy lie. The law on language adopted by Gorbachev began, then the local elites began to create conditions for nationalists who specifically expelled Meskhit Turks from Uzbekistan with massacre and all the charms. Then they took over the Russians, Koreans, and everyone else. They had such a muscakillik pancake with abandoned factories, factories. Russian specialists. There is no one to work. therefore sit in the ass.
                1. aksakal
                  aksakal 9 October 2013 16: 36 New
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                  Quote: ed65b
                  Well, this is a goofy lie. The law on language adopted by Gorbachev began, then the local elites began to create

                  - No, not a lie. I myself witnessed that, I myself heard how Yeltsin, after only one speech at some plenum, the next morning woke up already popular. Criticism of the whole was of the type of perestroika declared, but where is perestroika in practice? - and the people have already fallen in love with him! Now the people call him a drunkard ... laughing laughing laughing C'mon, his people loved him, I personally saw !!!! LOVED !!!!
                  And he won the presidential elections in Russia precisely because he announced that he would FREE RUSSIA from parasites !!!!! Now people often hear "Stop feeding the Caucasus!" And in 20 years you will also post:
                  Quote: ed65b
                  Well, this is a goofy lie
                  ... No - I hear it now, as I heard then "enough to feed the Asians!"
                  And the people not only fell in love with Yeltsin on this topic - they began to wear it on their hands !!!!! Belovezhskie agreements the people WELCOME !!!! No need here la-la !!!! Only one journalist opposed, I still remember her article in the Komsomol member - the article was called "I can not compromise on principles!" And she was BITTED. And EVERYTHING !!! And they pecked at the Chechen woman Sazhi Umalatova, who demanded Gorbachev's resignation for the collapse of the USSR.
                  So the picture is this - the Russian people thought that they were living poorly because of the Asians (and they still think so, judging by the posts), they fell in love with Yeltsin for promises to free him from this burden, Yeltsin fulfilled his promise, but at the same time the Russians LIVE for some reason became much worse, for which Yeltsin, who did not deceive Yeltsin, was awarded the hatred of the people and the nickname "drunk". Now the Russians are generally prostrated, not amenable to analysis. Give "Great Empire!" on the one hand, which presupposes some kind of alliance, namely the UNION of peoples headed by the Russian people. Presumably the Eurasian Union. On the other hand, if only these Asian peoples disappeared somewhere !!!! We want to be alone, and that everyone is only Russian. Well, or the Slavs to the extreme. "So make up your mind - will you give it or I better go? And then I already want to sleep!" laughing
                  1. lexe
                    lexe 9 October 2013 17: 03 New
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                    So decide - so will you give or should I go? And then the hunt is already sleeping!

                    Better go to sleep. The choice is yours. You are right that the Russians made their choice in 1991. But this choice was not satisfied; rather, on the contrary, it was substituted.
                    And you will reckon with this true choice of the Russian people. Why? I won’t even explain, so it’s clear. And without any lobbies about the brotherhood of peoples, but on solid cynicism of interests. But Kazakhstan has national interests? If there is glory to God.
                    1. aksakal
                      aksakal 10 October 2013 14: 56 New
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                      Quote: Lexi
                      After all, the choice is yours. You are right that the Russians made their choice in 1991. But this choice was not satisfied; rather, on the contrary, it was substituted

                      - facts? Yeltsin has become popular in the wake of what will throw Asians off the Russian hump. He threw it, pushed it out of the ruble zone. Where is the substitution?
                      Quote: Lexi
                      Why? I won’t even explain, so it’s clear. And without any lobbies about the brotherhood of peoples, and on solid cynicism of interests. But Kazakhstan has national interests? If there is something, thank God.
                      - strictly according to interests? On extremely cruel cynical things? You won't like it if you exclude the element of friendship altogether. We have a choice, so think 10 times about eliminating the element of friendship. And it is advisable to exclude the word "chock" from your linguistic environment altogether. And then I have really recently had a desire to exclude the garbage about the friendship of peoples, since I very often listen to "about the chock we have ennobled."
                      Quote: skeptic
                      It just says one thing: there would be no USSR - there would be a handful of khanates, on an economic level, not far gone from Afghanistan. Although it could have been otherwise, under the colonization of Great Britain. I hope there’s no need to explain how to be a colony of England. With respect, to all citizens of the former GREAT STATE - USSR
                      - I have a completely different version of this if only. There was such a khan - Bokey-khan. Among the Adaevites, in the west of Kazakhstan. In the century before last. I agreed in Tatar with Kazan University, they gave them to Kazan as greyhound puppies, rams, that is to say, and derivatives of them, and this university took the most capable children - subjects of this khan - as students. Everything seemed to be going well, a lot of talented people then, a lot of scientists then appeared in the west of Kazakhstan with this Bokey Khan. Even the structure of the economy began to change, they began to say that Russian patronage slows down development a little ... But somehow it all ended badly - Bokey Khan died under very mysterious circumstances, and for some reason his son, who was in Istanbul and went to receive inheritance, was attacked somewhere in the Caucasus mountains with a fatal outcome. The beneficiary of this story is clear. And the motives are clear. And even if we accept the "English" version - "How to be a colony of England, I hope there is no need to explain" - not everything is so unambiguous with the British. There are Indians and Indians, there are Maori and Dutch Boers ... BUT! But there is also Hong Kong, which does not want to go to China at all, of which it was once an integral part. WHY? There is Singapore - it does not complain about the British. This is a topic for another conversation.
                      I am trying to convey the idea that it is necessary to glorify a single market, and before that, in all countries of this market, put the normal elite, including primarily Russia itself. No Russian help will help if the assisted country has a stupid elite. All help will go away as in a breakthrough. This was proved by Kurmabek Bakiev, on whom Putin became angry and whom he saved from the Darkest Old Man from Minsk. I am generally silent about the Russian elite - this is who you should be angry with, not Asians. And your real national interest is that your elite would become sane, less thieving and more working than your current, walking in the white through the Israeli desert!
                      1. lexe
                        lexe 10 October 2013 15: 56 New
                        0
                        Aksakal Are you a supporter of the alliance with Russia?
                        I’m a supporter of an alliance with Kazakhstan, but on the principle, 2 nationalists will do better than 2 talkers.
                        And then ... we have been living with the Tatars for a long time, cut each other for centuries! And what is interesting is that the Tatars donated a tribute to us but didn’t climb into our inner world-garden ... and we remember this and will not use their mental world because we respect ! So cynicism can work miracles along the way to friendship.
                        And the word "churka" for my more than 350 comments, I have not pronounced anywhere. I respect absolutely! Any people if they respect my Russian people too.
                        And for sincere concern what and how to do, thank you.And there is no "Kazakh" problem in Russia, you invented it yourself. But the fact that there is a problem with the Russian elites who are stuffing Russia like an anthill, I agree with you. And the process has started ... and there is no other way out (unfortunately) -national the explosion is quite realistic.
                        So understand this before others, because you have so many educated people. And with the introduction of new universities there will be even more, of which I am sincerely glad laughing Well, use this one of the first. And who is rebuilding faster, has more benefits laughing
              2. shark
                shark 9 October 2013 16: 31 New
                +5
                And what do these countries have that we invested there? Here in Kyrgyzstan there is gold, but Canadians have already registered there, among other things, women workers from the inhabitants of these countries are awful. (I’m sorry, I assert from Moscow experience) And you won’t open up high-tech industries there. Well, to this land of demoniac religious fanatics will go? Yes, and on what basis? Local to teach? And who will teach it? Once again, Russian teachers were kicked out of everyone. And in the remaining schools they are taught to write by the 10th grade. As for watermelons, up to 70% of our lives in Astrakhan melons are lost. I understand that either everything is back and Russia is building everything again or like yourself. Including without the leakage of huge amounts of money abroad in the form of remittances to relatives. That's the whole mutually beneficial basis.
                But what I can’t disagree with you is that Yeltsin, Gaidar and others are scum, Judas. They have hundreds of thousands of lives of ordinary people in their hands. They will burn forever in hell.
                1. aksakal
                  aksakal 9 October 2013 16: 54 New
                  +2
                  Quote: shark
                  Among other things, workers from the inhabitants of these countries are awful
                  Quote: shark
                  according to Moscow experience I affirm
                  -
                  - Well, crooks from Russia go to London, why the British think badly about Russians,
                  and to Moscow - rogues from Asia who do nothing but revenge on the yards. It happened. But the Englishman has no one to explain that in Russia itself the bulk of the people are normal, cultured, adequate people. But the Muscovite has no one to explain that in the same Tashkent they have already started developing their own car on the basis of Daev already mastered, by the way, completely localized, that in Tashkent actually has good scientific and technical potential since the times of the USSR and that, in fact, most of the Uzbeks - normal, cultural, adequate people. It's all about filters. Both London and Moscow installed some wrong filters and are now complaining.
                  Quote: shark
                  so with us in Astrakhan melons up to 70% percent dies
                  - if so, then something yourself is somehow out of order there, with logistics, with the economy, and what are those Asians?
                  Quote: shark
                  I understand this way or everything back and Russia is building everything again or something like that. Including without leaking huge amounts of money abroad in the form of remittances to relatives. That's the whole mutually beneficial basis.

                  or love or hate! Are there any options? Friendship, just a good relationship? In fact, the Customs Union should, in theory, make it easier to resolve this sore point.
                  Quote: shark
                  Including without leakage of huge amounts of money abroad in the form of transfers to relatives

                  - This money was not stolen, but earned by work in places where even Stalin did not dare to drive the Russian. Do not want leaks - work there yourself for the money that they pay there. In general, the power of those in power is to blame. Russian power holders. It is enough to declare a minimum wage of 25 thousand rubles + another set of incentive measures - and the Russians themselves will go to work there.
              3. skeptic
                skeptic 9 October 2013 17: 53 New
                +6
                Quote: aksakal

                What is the result now? These countries will try to survive. They have some risks and dangers, as well as ways to make money. And the dangers (well, there is such a suspicion) are created by him artificial.


                By the way, about the birds ... In 1982, I had to work with a very good person who was born and lived earlier in Karaganda, but who left because of the nationalistic tricks of the Kazakhs who got him.

                And therefore, let's not mix the soup with flies, but let's see it separately. Each person may have "claims" to a person of a different nationality. After all, it is easier to blame all your troubles on foreigners, even in Russia, even in any other country.

                Let's call a spade a spade. In all national republics, national cadres were in power. By virtue of patriotism, mentality, and simply decency, national leaders spun the economy of their republics. The union leadership created conditions for the development of national cultures, languages, in short of everything that the republics themselves proposed to promote. And it is not necessary to say that someone was not allowed to develop something if realistic development plans were put forward. Yes, in the republics of Central Asia, much did not grow together, but not through the fault of the USSR, but according to the simplest proverb - "The child will not cry - the mother will not understand." Who is to blame for the fact that at the helm were small, small-town proprietors with Bai manners. It just says one thing, that there would be no USSR - there would be a handful of khanates, in terms of economic level, not far from Afghanistan. Although it might have been different, under the colonization of Great Britain. I hope there is no need to explain how to be a colony of England.
                Respectfully, to all citizens of the former GREAT STATE - USSR
                1. aksakal
                  aksakal 10 October 2013 14: 29 New
                  +1
                  Quote: skeptic
                  Who is to blame for the small, small-town businessmen with Bai manners at the helm.

                  - Conscientious elite. She was to blame for this, as well as for the fact that the whole USSR had a Judas and a drunkard at the helm. Do you have others to blame? Do you have any questions? But whining about the Asians, and even with the spray. Let’s first deal with the real culprits, the real culprits haven’t gone anywhere, they simply renamed the Soviet elite and the Russian elite, and then you look at the Asians.
                  1. skeptic
                    skeptic 10 October 2013 17: 54 New
                    0
                    Quote: aksakal
                    Do you have others to blame? Do you have any questions? But whining about the Asians, and even with the spray.


                    Well, first of all, we are all to blame, regardless of nationality and the amount of spray, at least for not taking to the streets when it all began. It is much easier to say that our hut is on the edge. Therefore, sitting in one deep ... there is no point in spitting on each other's heads, considering themselves "higher and wiser." More or less like this.
    3. vadimus
      vadimus 9 October 2013 08: 20 New
      +3
      Where would a vaccine be found from this infection? And while there is none, prophylaxis should be carried out by all available methods. This gangrene is very dangerous! .....
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 9 October 2013 09: 12 New
        +5
        NIGHTMARE!!! As if it’s not conceivable in Russia, and the Russians are from Asians ...
        Russian in this AVALANCHE -DROP in the SEA!
        1. alone
          alone 9 October 2013 11: 22 New
          0
          just do not say here that the Muslims are to blame. what prevents the authorities from letting them into the country?
    4. Revolver
      Revolver 9 October 2013 09: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: ia-ai00
      Oh, power and "play out" in TOLERANCE ...

      No, this is not tolerance anymore, but in nature tolerance.
    5. eplewke
      eplewke 9 October 2013 10: 23 New
      +4
      Shoot all these bearded Wahhabis along with the Saudis and Qatar! And the point! Otherwise it will not work!
  2. treskoed
    treskoed 9 October 2013 07: 44 New
    +4
    A significant part of the fighters of radical groups are, as you know, foreign mercenaries.

    XNUMXst Century Intervention! Solve issues with the wrong hands.
  3. saag
    saag 9 October 2013 08: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: ia-ai00
    Or maybe this HARBORIES is somehow interested in tension in the country

    Here you are probably right, because at a crisis time you can solve many issues that are not working out right now, and the matter is not about migrants, they are just a possible excuse, then it will most likely be solved with the oligarchy, and with legislation, it is quite possible that with a constitutional change
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 9 October 2013 12: 02 New
      -3
      interesting eeyore.a saag like under the Kazakh flags and they call to solve the problems of Russia by the massacre of Muslims with a smooth transition to the overthrow of its government and change its constitution. What are you calling for bloodshed in Russia sitting in Kazakhstan? Or do you plan to connect later? By the way, on October 15, Kurban Bayram will be congratulating Muslim neighbors on the holiday?
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 9 October 2013 13: 18 New
        +4
        Listen, are you from "OAK FALLED"? Where am I "calling to solve the problems of Russia with the massacre of Muslims with a smooth transition ..." ??? Sick for the WHOLE BASHKU! ?? !!! You, obviously, are either a "zaslanets" from TsRu, or you yourself! It is YOU who are trying here to arouse hostility towards each other among the two peoples who have lived side by side for more than 2 centuries, constantly opposing yourself, such a "smart" one, to the Russians - such "fools."
        I AM ANY SPREAD Wahhabism, both in RUSSIA and in KAZAKHSTAN! - I don’t know how to hammer into the "erudite", so that YOU would not distort what was said. And in general, for people of any state, the establishment of Sharia law is like death.

        Maybe you yourself are a WAHHABIT? Is it visible to you the "correct" Islam - Wahhabism?

        Once again "touch me" - I will ban you!
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 9 October 2013 14: 03 New
          -3
          Quote: ia-ai00
          Or maybe this HARBORIES is somehow interested in tension in the country, otherwise why there is no decisive action? What do they want IT to wander, wander, and then - SPLASH? But aggressive muslims are armed to the teeth, while the Orthodox have only arms.

          Quote: ia-ai00
          NIGHTMARE!!! As if it’s not conceivable in Russia, and the Russians are from Asians ...
          Russian in this AVALANCHE -DROP in the SEA!

          Something I do not see that it is written "WAHABITS" everywhere it is written that Muslims (Muslims) you either write more accurately or follow what you write. And then do not arrange hysterics with threats to ban and stupid accusations of "Wahhabism" wink
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 9 October 2013 14: 47 New
            +1
            oops. where did they leave their comments without traces? I understand this as a recognition by you of your wrongness.
            1. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu 10 October 2013 16: 16 New
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              Quote: Semurg
              oops. where did they leave their comments without traces?
              Hid in the "dusk" ..
              She puts the Kazakhs who are responding to her "opuses" on the "black list". Topvar has this option ..
              So it will water Kazakhstan, Asians and other "non-Russians" on the sly ... laughing
    2. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 9 October 2013 14: 35 New
      0
      "post", which is above, is not for you, dear saag c... There was another, "master", to whom the above "message" was addressed from me.
  4. Stiletto
    Stiletto 9 October 2013 09: 10 New
    +3
    This hornet's nest was stirred up by the States with the help and support of Qatar and the Saudis. Now they "wash their hands", but it is necessary to do so that they wash themselves with blood. That is, it is necessary to turn the weapons and the irrepressible destructive energy of the jihadists against the initiators of the "Arab spring" - there are more than enough reasons. You just need to skillfully use these reasons. And now this is already a non-trivial task for special services and information warfare specialists.
  5. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 9 October 2013 09: 17 New
    +6
    But do we need migrants at all, given the unemployment rate, there is no! But to make a mess and play off everyone and destroy Russia is YES! And tolerance is an invention of the West and we do not need it, Russia was not built on the enslavement of peoples, but on mutual respect and tolerance. No other metropolis in the world cared about its colonies as much as Russia did about its outskirts (in the same "enslaved" Baltic, the standard of living was higher than the average for the Union). Destruction of the foundation on which Russia stands is the main task of the hidden intervention in the form of migration, substitution of concepts and fooling the people!
  6. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 9 October 2013 09: 23 New
    +3
    That's right, in the Arab countries they are acting according to the model of the collapse of the Russian Empire in 1917, doing everything to overthrow a legitimate and strong government, using its internal problems and putting strong pressure on it from the outside, after the overthrow, weak liberal democrats are put at the head, who after a while falls apart under the weight of its own insignificance and verbiage, when people get tired of endless scratching with their tongues, and out of chaos a third force, usually of a totalitarian kind, rises, which will lead people to a "bright future." In the case of the Middle East, this force will become the Islamists, who have already determined its enemy, as a rule, Iran and Russia, and if the Americans succeed, then Russia will face an adversary with enormous human resources, financial resources, plus Islamic fundamentalism and fanaticism, and a "fifth column" in the Caucasus and numerous defenders and lobbyists in the Russian government and how long will we last against them? It should also be noted that to rejoicethe fall of Russia in Europe will not be long because the next ones will go under the knife, it will be much easier with them and no NATO will help. I just do not understand what the Americans will do while sitting in America in front of a huge mass of Islamists who will quickly spread like a plague throughout Eurasia and sweeping away all existing governments, incl. and the governments of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, beloved by Americans.
  7. Ddhal
    Ddhal 9 October 2013 09: 57 New
    +3
    The topic has been renegotiated already ...
    1. creak
      creak 9 October 2013 10: 11 New
      +8
      The discussion really does not make sense - recently, the GDP stated that there would be no visa regime with the CIS countries. this repels our younger brothers, and we must attract them ... So we will attract them further, until the thunder strikes and from the boiler where the water already boils does not tear off the lid ... In the meantime, our leadership has no problems with Gaster they or their loved ones do not drive along the streets without security, not to mention walking as ordinary citizens ... In the meantime, everything is fine marquise ....
  8. anfreezer
    anfreezer 9 October 2013 09: 58 New
    +3
    "The introduction of a visa regime within the CIS will mean that we are alienating the former republics of the Soviet Union. We need not push away, but bring it closer." - Putin said at a press conference following the APEC summit.is October of this year ...."First of all, with regard to immigrants. I also believe that we need to civilize and tighten the procedure for the entry of foreign citizens into the territory of the Russian Federation, first of all and always we are talking about citizens of the Central Asian republics."-And this is April of the same .. A similar word is "civilized", but about tightening, as I understand it, in any case, we must start with visas, but where are we going !? request
  9. IRBIS
    IRBIS 9 October 2013 10: 14 New
    +4
    In my opinion, it’s really time to collect signatures for a referendum on migrants. But which party will take up this business? If the issue is not resolved in the next year or two, then the case could end very poorly. And for migrants, and for rulers ...
    1. alone
      alone 9 October 2013 11: 25 New
      +4
      no one will take charge of it Alexander. You yourself know this better. All of them are players of one game. Elite is profitable all this. Why pay local 1000 green if you can pay 200 for this work and assign the rest. Even passports are traded.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 9 October 2013 11: 30 New
        +5
        Quote: lonely
        no one will take it

        This is depressing, as well as the President's words that nothing will be changed for fear of "pushing" the former republics of the USSR away from Russia. It remains to wait until the cup of anger outweighs the cup of patience. And this applies to the authorities in the first place.
    2. Garrin
      Garrin 9 October 2013 12: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: IRBIS
      And for migrants, and for rulers ...

      And primarily for normal law-abiding citizens. It seems to me that this pack is specially brought here, so that in case of unrest, let it off the leash, and ourselves, on the sly, "dump" out of the country.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 9 October 2013 14: 26 New
        +1
        The ways and thoughts of our "elite" are inscrutable ...
  10. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 9 October 2013 10: 32 New
    +2
    <<< And, by the way, the success of fundamentalists in the Middle East is largely due to the fact that they are effectively supported by some states of the region - for example, the Wahhabi Saudi Kingdom
    This means that it is no longer necessary to confront such prospects with traditional police methods. Fighting the ideology and practice of state terrorism requires action of the appropriate scale. >>>
    That's it! Finally, it is time for Russia to take the initiative and openly declare to the world community that what is happening now in the Middle East, in the Arab countries, in Syria and is spreading in the countries of Central Asia and other countries where Islam is present, is not some kind of spontaneous amateur rolls of stoned jihadist scumbags, and the implementation of the long-cherished plans of the Arab monarchies, first of all, of Saudi Arabia to expand, establish, by force imposing on the Islamic world its radical Islam, Wahhabism, domination of vast territories with the creation of controlled caliphates there! And to stop the spread of this religious plague XX! centuries, it is necessary, first of all, how to BE BLOWED in Saudi Arabia - this wasp nest, the center of radical Islam!
  11. komsomolets
    komsomolets 9 October 2013 10: 34 New
    +8
    Welcome to the Mosque!
    Poltava city mosque is located in the very center of Poltava, on the street. Hay 20-a.
    The mosque is open daily. Compulsory collective prayer (Namaz Al-Jumua) is held every Friday. Anyone can visit the mosque to get acquainted with "Islam", to perform religious rituals and gain knowledge of religion. There is also an Islamic school "Madrasah" at the mosque, where parishioners are trained in matters of faith, classes are held in the Arabic language and reading the Koran. The doors of the mosque are open to anyone who wishes to get married. Funeral rites are carried out at the Muslim cemetery in Poltava.
    http://islampoltava.org/
    I have one question - why, why they are here, what they forgot at my place, why they are imposing their faith on me and my children. I don’t know, but we are on the eve of a grandiose schukher.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 9 October 2013 13: 04 New
      +1
      That just killed.
      "Meeting interesting, knowledgeable and spiritually rich people is always a joy for the heart and food for the mind. Once again, this was precisely the meeting of Poltava Muslims with a religious teacher, Sheikh Muhammad from Beirut."
      1. komsomolets
        komsomolets 9 October 2013 22: 44 New
        0
        It was also killed by the fact that these announcements are not only on the network, it hangs in city minibuses on glasses.
  12. GDP
    GDP 9 October 2013 11: 51 New
    +9
    aksakalu:

    At one time they were not given freedom and time to build their own moral state — now you yourself will build it! It will be normal for them there - there is no need for them to go to Russia.

    The Russian Empire, and then the Union to a much greater extent, did a lot of useful things for Central Asia. Once developed countries at the time of entry into the Russian Empire were in a deep hole, lagged behind in all areas, the peculiarity of geographical location, remoteness from developed countries, lack of access to the sea affected. If it weren’t for the USSR, Afghanistan would be there now.

    But to call these People - unwashed images - this is meanness and provocation!
    Central Asia at the time also did a lot for Russia, as did Russia for it. Take at least the second world war, without their help in the country would be a terrible famine.
    We were not indebted, we also helped them develop agriculture, science and industry.

    That's what you need to remember when talking about these people.

    Control is needed! But not mutual contempt and isolation - this is the road to nowhere for both of us!
  13. ed65b
    ed65b 9 October 2013 11: 57 New
    +2
    So quietly and led Guy Broisov under the monastery of the Saudis. laughing
  14. RUSS
    RUSS 9 October 2013 13: 08 New
    +1
    The history of the Earth, like the development of mankind, "goes" in a spiral, what am I for, to the fact that all this was already only a little in a different form, sooner or later those peoples that do not want to live in a FRIENDLY FAMILY will be forced to leave our homeland, how the Nogais, Circassians left it, or the "displacement" of peoples by Stalin.
  15. 12061973
    12061973 9 October 2013 13: 15 New
    +2
    in Dagestan they are fighting Wahams for Moscow, Wahhabi mosques where the imams give out instructions received from the Arabs are open 24 hours, in a halal cafe full of beards in short pants. brought down the economy and said if you want to earn, divide into security forces and militants, and kill each other
  16. Polovec
    Polovec 9 October 2013 14: 20 New
    +3
    Maybe I will express a somewhat unexpected thought, but the way out of this situation for our country is obvious and tested. It is simply necessary to separate the church from the state and introduce really tough penalties for inciting ethnic and sectarian strife. In a country like ours, it is very dangerous to introduce a titular religion (what the authorities are now trying to do). The answer to this will be, and indeed is already in fact, the promotion of alternative religions. I am moved by the construction of mosques and churches in subsidized regions. There are no normal hospitals, roads, schools. Science is knocked out. Education is dying. We trust in God. Or maybe we will give God a chance and start working ourselves. He can help, but not work for us. Today the state spends a lot of money on supporting the Sharia movements in the Caucasus. Money collected from us in the form of taxes, excise taxes, duties. we have nowhere to apply them? I am not calling for a ban on religion, but I believe that it is up to the flock to support their parish. Our priests ride the Lamborghini. Gave the flock? The state should not merge with the church, otherwise the church will become a state. We already see and hear about Sharia courts. Doesn't it scare you? Whoever considers religion to be the path to progress? Isn't it time to stop? We are already over the precipice.
  17. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 9 October 2013 15: 14 New
    +5
    How to spend money on useless methods of struggle, is not it better to take up the organizers? Always a sniper marks an officer, more benefit from a shot. Why not the KGB destroy apologists in Arabia?
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 9 October 2013 15: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Asan Ata
      destroy apologists in Arabia
      Sheikhs' regimes are sponsored by some of the leading Western countries. The West will also need the Arabian "rebels" to sweep away the tyrants in a thousand days of indirect actions and one hot night bully The spheres of interests of such seemingly different-polar civilizations intersect critically in a variety of issues from economics and security, to geopolitics of a higher order (this story began during the time of the Crusades). they have heirs wassat ?
      1. Asan Ata
        Asan Ata 10 October 2013 01: 38 New
        +1
        Life shows that when fathers are punished, children become more accommodating. bully I am sure that in the same Saudi Arabia there are much more problems than in Syria. Russian special services are just sleeping. There was a time, they removed the opponents of Nasser in Egypt, Suharto in Indonesia, who else? I agree, the result of such activities is hardly predictable, but GRU would not be allowed to have such a situation in the USSR.
  18. Zhaman-Urus
    Zhaman-Urus 9 October 2013 17: 14 New
    +1
    Himself from Kazakhstan, Russian, I do not understand why there is an opinion that Russia should do something Wed. Asia or vice versa? In my opinion, no one owes anything to anyone, each country must act strictly in its own interests. Cooperation with the US or the EU is beneficial for Kazakhstan, please, who is against? If Russia does not want to let migrants come to itself, no one has the right to demand it, on the basis that "the Russians owe us". If you are an Uzbek Tajik or no matter who comes to a foreign country, then that country MUST live according to the laws of this country, respecting the traditions of the people inhabiting it, just like I am Russian living in Kazakhstan, I do not allow myself to disrespect the Kazakh customs of state. symbols, etc. But I would also like the opposite trend, if Russia allows labor migrants to it, then observe YOUR legislation in relation to them, demand this from YOUR government or change both. Likewise, in Kazakhstan, if we are building a MULTINATIONAL state, then this should be done not in words but in deeds, up to quotas of representatives of a non-titular nationality in government bodies. Plus, it is HARD to punish all kicking eagles, which, with one movement of their feet, make thousands of non-Kazakhs think about their future residence in Kazakhstan.
  19. pensioner
    pensioner 9 October 2013 19: 19 New
    +1
    the expansion of "jihadists" cannot be stopped by police methods
    And what? Have you tried it already? I mean: seriously tried? No, after all. We sort everything: who is the terrorist, who is the right Muslim, and who is Wahhabi ... Look, Al-Qaeda’s flags are flying around Kazan or whatever they are: these flags ... The Tatars themselves are ready to tear these into pieces ... But it’s impossible. The law is damn ... It turns out to be more expensive to fight jihadists ...
  20. Savva30
    Savva30 9 October 2013 20: 40 New
    +1
    We need an order to equalize all this evil. It is not. When they give a command to the top, our siloviki work beyond their capabilities, and damn effective, more than once seen. The tops are increasingly hiding behind geopolitics, and I don’t care about it ... I am more interested in why some people are ... behaving on our land as masters? You can't hide beautiful rotten control systems with beautiful speeches. I am ready to support the president, but he must support me (us))).