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Pilot, Saakashvili and NATO recommendations

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October 27 2013 will hold presidential elections in Georgia. According to the Georgian constitution, the current president, Mikhail Saakashvili, does not have the right to take part in them. The same Mikhail Saakashvili, who considered Georgia’s entry into NATO and the European Union as one of the main goals of his presidency. As is known, the current Georgian president failed to achieve either one or the other, which hurts Saakashvili’s pride. Quite recently, Saakashvili, standing behind the podium of the UN General Assembly, tried to write off all of his political and economic failures in the spirit of individual psychosis to the machinations of the Russian authorities and FSB agents. Now that the time for the political maneuvers of the “lame duck” is getting shorter and smaller, she (the “duck”) is apparently switching to the last attack on the Russian Federation.


This offensive looks like a call for Georgian athletes and the Georgian Olympic Committee to boycott the Sochi Olympics. Saakashvili, you see, preoccupied by the fact that one of the torchbearers (a person participating in the Olympic torch relay) in Russia was selected pilot Ivan Nechaev, who at one time participated in an operation in the skies over South Ossetia and Georgia. The Georgian president, once again demonstrating the painful suspiciousness towards Russia, declared that Moscow had chosen a military pilot - Hero of Russia as a torchbearer - deliberately chosen - to annoy Georgia.

President of Georgia:
I am sure that all this was done intentionally, just as the fact that the delegations of Abkhazia and the so-called will bring to the Olympiad. South Ossetia. They will lead the guests of the Olympiad on excursions to Abkhazia, use the infrastructure of Abkhazia without our permission.

Based on the Russian imperial inferiority complex, he (Putin - approx. Author) will do everything to trample Georgia into the mud.


He uses the Winter Olympic Games to popularize the idea of ​​Abkhazia and the Tskhinvali region. I urge everyone to make their decision. I do not exert pressure on the Olympic Committee - it is up to them to decide. But they are Georgians, in addition to representing the Olympic Committee, and they must have the right reaction.


What Mr. Saakashvili means by the “right reaction” is understandable. By the way, the phrases used by the current Georgian president are another assessment material by professional psychiatrists. Just “using the infrastructure of Abkhazia without our permission” is worth it!

It’s not the same military aircraft that was driven by Ivan Nechaev, during the roar of the engines of which Mikhail Saakashvili became ill and he, covered by body armor and bodyguards, crashed to the ground in August of 2008. If this is the same pilot, then the position of Saakashvili on torchbearer looks even funnier ...

Pilot, Saakashvili and NATO recommendations


And the fact that the president calls athletes and sports officials to the "right reaction" (in fact, to boycott the Olympics), in our time does not even look like another Cold War syndrome, but a manifestation of complete political impotence of Saakashvili. Instead of sending a rational policy in Georgia, its president is studying the lists of participants in the Russian Olympic torch relay and abundantly reflexes about it ... Find yourself a business, Mikhail Nikolozovich.

In the meantime, Saakashvili, who, by the way, declared that his country will be admitted to NATO no later than 2014, is practicing new marasmic rhetoric, an inspection team of the North Atlantic Alliance arrived in Georgia. This is a team of NATO officials who should receive documents from the Georgian authorities, which reflect how clearly the “instructions” of Brussels and Washington are being carried out in Georgia. An important component is the focus of the commission’s work not only on checking the military sphere, but also on assessing the activities of several branches of the Georgian government. This, in particular, said the chairman of the committee on defense and national security of the Georgian parliament Irakli Sesiashvili. Quote:

We will go with representatives of NATO practically all topics related to the activities of the executive and legislative authorities ... we are doing this primarily to strengthen and democratize the country.


It turns out that in order to strengthen the democratization of the country, official Tbilisi needs and needs that certain people from the military bloc arrive in the country and lift their thumb (or not) up. NATO officers arrived - already a balm for the soul of the main Georgian democrats - it means that everything goes according to plan ...

An interesting fact is that all the materials collected in Georgia will be presented by the NATO commission directly to General Secretary Rasmussen, and he will read the documents and quote: he will forward the recommendations to the Georgian leadership.

To descend to the level at which the military alliance officials hand out “recommendations” to the leaders of a country, you should be able to. Apparently, the Georgian leadership mastered this letter “perfectly”, and reached the level mentioned ... By the way, not only the NATO Secretary General, but also representatives of the countries that are in the alliance will give recommendations to the Georgian authorities. This was stated by the representative of the NATO delegation in Georgia, Christian Mesarosh. Only here the phrases “hold on, Misha, you and I” will not be exactly in these recommendations ... The 27 number is not far off at all ... In this regard, NATO will definitely be thinking about what, and to whom, actually, to give our recommendations ...
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  1. Denis
    Denis 9 October 2013 07: 43 New
    59
    Misha needs to be beaten, it’s better to kick ..
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 October 2013 07: 57 New
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      Quote: Denis
      Misha needs to be beaten, it’s better to kick ..

      Does not help, cases are too neglected. Incurable, immediately to the morgue.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 9 October 2013 16: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Does not help, cases are too neglected. Incurable, immediately to the morgue.

        And to learn the “convolution"?, Nevertheless you need to know how you can get to SUCH ...
        1. GRIGORY
          GRIGORY 15 October 2013 16: 06 New
          0
          This Saakashvili is only 6 US.

          And of course it is better to study the gyrus in the morgue !? yes
    2. vadimus
      vadimus 9 October 2013 07: 59 New
      17
      Grumbles like a woman! Vile tipok. It's time to retire sdtsukoo.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 October 2013 08: 16 New
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        Quote: vadimus
        It's time to retire sdtsukoo.

        Once again I say-IN MORG !!!
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 9 October 2013 08: 33 New
          26
          Quote: vadimus
          Grumbles like a woman! Vile tipok. It's time to retire sdtsukoo.

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Once again I say-IN MORG !!!

          The doctor said to the morgue, then to the morgue!
          1. eplewke
            eplewke 9 October 2013 09: 52 New
            21
            This is the easiest way for him in the morgue! It’s better to tie in a chair and bring to Tskhinval and leave it in the center on some square ... This will be a really good punishment ...
            1. Rusich51
              Rusich51 10 October 2013 19: 22 New
              +3
              Quote: eplewke
              This is the easiest way for him in the morgue! It’s better to tie in a chair and bring to Tskhinval and leave it in the center on some square ... This will be a really good punishment ...

              Let his people put on a stake. The most worthy way out for him.
              1. fktrcfylh.h09
                fktrcfylh.h09 12 October 2013 08: 35 New
                +1
                in Russia, the traitors of their homeland were put on a stake and, embezzlers

                therefore, two birches are better for him ...
        2. SPBOBL
          SPBOBL 9 October 2013 08: 35 New
          27
          I apologize ... BUT, it’s too early in the morgue ... I need to judge Sracochwil! The court, the people ... in South Ossetia, on Mother Earth, who became an unwitting witness to the massacre of civilians ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 9 October 2013 09: 18 New
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            Quote: SPBOBL
            I apologize ... BUT, it’s too early in the morgue ... I need to judge Sracochwil!

            And what, you still doubt his guilt? They came up with some sort of court, in the bathhouse this democratic heresy.
            1. SPBOBL
              SPBOBL 9 October 2013 10: 33 New
              +1
              There is no doubt! the lynching of srakashvil will not return the children of the deceased, it will not reassure mothers. people have died, and the asshole continues to be a mortal existence. I believe that Russia, on the basis of the events since the dismantling of the Berlin Wall and not the spread of nature ... wildly exterminating the ruling regimes of the loyal RF, provocations, OUTDOOR CONFRONTATION by hawks in the countries of the former USSR, Warsaw Dr., suffered its legal right in its interests: it can once repeat the harsh, but USSR policy in the style of troop deployment in Poland ... maybe not in particular, but in general ...
            2. Muadipus
              Muadipus 9 October 2013 14: 24 New
              +3
              Must be judged - according to the laws of the mountains.
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 9 October 2013 10: 39 New
            -34
            Quote: SPBOBL
            massacre of civilians ...


            what a massacre ... it was on RTR that the ban hung on the killing of 2000 people .. pom the Prosecutor's Office found out that about 120 people were killed ...
            Quote: SPBOBL
            need to JUDGE

            maybe not smile maybe you need those who brought both countries to such a relationship !!!!!!!
            By the way. Uncle Shimpor did not find an answer to one question ... why Russia can restore the territorial integrity of its country, but Georgia can’t .... I just ask the arguments ... let’s leave aside ... smile
            1. alone
              alone 9 October 2013 10: 48 New
              -28
              hello Vurgun! Do you think they will make arguments? I doubt it. For them, the argument is a minus)))
              double standards my dear. and then they still wonder why all the former run to the side
              1. es.d
                es.d 9 October 2013 16: 31 New
                +3
                Quote: lonely
                double standards my dear. and then they still wonder why all the former run to the side


                In the direction of those who do not have doubles, but there are triples, etc.?
                1. alone
                  alone 9 October 2013 16: 40 New
                  +2
                  In the direction of those who do not have doubles, but there are triples, etc.?



                  not always they are former run to those who have triple standards. Some ran not argue. but some are clearly already afraid of dealing with both you and those. I suggest you visit an article about Kazakh cadets, which in number
                  4 people study in the USA. Read how much dirt is poured into the address of the Kazakhs and Kazakhstan. Do you think this helps to connect?
                  1. es.d
                    es.d 9 October 2013 17: 13 New
                    +3
                    Quote: lonely
                    not always they are former run to those who have triple standards. Some ran not argue. but some are clearly already afraid to deal with you and those

                    Sorry, where? To another globe?
                    Quote: lonely
                    read how much dirt is poured into the address of the Kazakhs and Kazakhstan

                    Fully agree with you.
              2. Deniska
                Deniska 9 October 2013 17: 26 New
                +4
                Night shelling "hail" of the sleeping area !!! And even if there will be 120 dead !!!
              3. kotvov
                kotvov 9 October 2013 19: 18 New
                +1
                Do you even know that 70% of the population at that time were Russian citizens. If people like you run in any direction, we will only be relieved to breathe.
            2. ed65b
              ed65b 9 October 2013 10: 54 New
              +9
              Quote: smersh70
              Quote: SPBOBL
              massacre of civilians ...


              what a massacre ... it was on RTR that the ban hung on the killing of 2000 people .. pom the Prosecutor's Office found out that about 120 people were killed ...
              Quote: SPBOBL
              need to JUDGE

              maybe not smile maybe you need those who brought both countries to such a relationship !!!!!!!
              By the way. Uncle Shimpor did not find an answer to one question ... why Russia can restore the territorial integrity of its country, but Georgia can’t .... I just ask the arguments ... let’s leave aside ... smile

              the separation of the parties and the peacekeepers now I think the main problems on which it was not possible to restore the state of the republic to stupid decisions of the previous leadership of Georgia by force. Only a political settlement. and after the blood spilled by both Abkhazians and Ossetians from Georgia, the chance to tighten them back was 0. and even that Russia had already decided to shake the air and recognized them. all point. there is no turning back.
              1. eplewke
                eplewke 9 October 2013 16: 39 New
                +3
                Winners are not judged ...
            3. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 9 October 2013 11: 20 New
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              Quote: smersh70
              why Russia can restore the territorial integrity of its country, but Georgia cannot ...

              If we were to restore it, now Georgia would be called the subject of the Russian Federation. And if Russia had not accepted Georgia into its membership, then the Georgians, or rather their remnants, would have spoken Turkish, beating out their namaz with their forehead. If you are afraid of minuses, hold +, but the Georgian rights to integrity cause me doubts.
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 9 October 2013 12: 47 New
                -11
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                If you are afraid of cons

                afraid of wolves ... don't go to the forest fellow that is, do not write comments))))
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                hold +,

                thanks for that !!!!!!!!
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                If we were to restore it, now Georgia would be called the subject of the Russian Federation

                Well, this is not serious! All the Union republics were admitted to the United Nations outside the Union Republics ... by the way, Russia most of all stood up for it during the negotiations .. even the most faithful allies of Russia, Armenia and Belarus, didn’t recognize these areas .... ...
                1. sanych your division
                  sanych your division 13 October 2013 13: 56 New
                  +1
                  Russia advocated? ... you can not call a bunch of villains ruined the country by this holy name
            4. hohryakov066
              hohryakov066 9 October 2013 11: 22 New
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              Dear smersh70. The answer to your question about territorial integrity is very simple - before you get into a fight you need to carefully look at the enemy and at least approximately estimate the possible consequences. Georgia did not do this and paid. And I must say that it got off easily. If another person were at the head of Russia at that moment, five more states would have formed on the territory of the former Georgia.
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 9 October 2013 12: 50 New
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                Quote: hohryakov066
                Georgia did not do this and paid. And I must say that it got off easily.

                Well, this is the most real aggression !!!!!!! what do you think, Hitler thought adding Czechoslovakia and Austria .. and Austria .. he also said that the Austrians had German passports in their hands and they were all Germans ....... this is not the point .. the point here is that Putin, fearing NATO expansion, went all-in, violating all international standards ..... by the way, the future will show ---- as soon as the United States and Russia agree on these issues, then and the worlds come all will come to an agreement !!!!!!!!
                1. OPATOP
                  OPATOP 9 October 2013 13: 35 New
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                  Quote: smersh70
                  Well this is the most real aggression !!!!!!

                  An attack on Russian peacekeepers is an aggression directed against Russia. But Abkhazia and Ossetia is a heap, since they themselves asked to help them. This is a mild punishment for the Georgian authorities. A firm one would be the elimination of all decision makers then, about the attack of the Russian peacekeepers. And the conquest of the territory of the defeated enemy.
                  1. Mikhail3
                    Mikhail3 9 October 2013 22: 02 New
                    +7
                    You do not understand. Aggression is when Georgians are killed. And when the Russians are killed-this is right, fair and generally the internal affair of Georgia. And if, in response to the murder of our people, the Russian army comes to punish killers, well this is yours !! Fearing how Putin would hang our warriors with his hands ... flouting all international standards, according to which the international community races anyone who wants to land and says that it was so ...
                    Russia and the United States (by the way, what kind of country is such a United States?) Can agree to such a level in only one case. When a lot of people from these same mysterious United States sit in the dock for the incredible filth they have created. And in the place of the Georgians, I would have seen such an arrangement in the most terrible nightmares. Because a thoughtful investigation of the anti-Russian activities of the dearest genatsvale can result in massive heating of Siberia. And even worse ...
                2. 31231
                  31231 9 October 2013 18: 40 New
                  +3
                  the fact is that Putin, fearing the expansion of NATO, went all-in, violating all international standards .....


                  Judging by your statement, bloody Putin will attack the Baltics tomorrow.
                  Here citizens smile not so much of our country, but how many abroad. They speak so confidently for Putin. It’s as if he told them "both a matchmaker and a brother."
                3. angarchanin
                  angarchanin 9 October 2013 19: 31 New
                  +4
                  Dear, if you still remember the recent history, then we would understand that our "political friends" are checked for blood of every president of Russia. And only on Putin did a check turn around for a big turn around ... oh.
                4. The Indian Joe
                  The Indian Joe 10 October 2013 09: 48 New
                  +1
                  Putin ... went all-in
                  - So is Putin FIRST open fire? So he attacked the Russian peacekeepers from the CIS? So he fired at the sleeping areas of Tskhinvali from the MLRS and the artillery?
                  But maybe it was his PACE Tagliavini commission that recognized Georgia as the first to open fire, not Georgia?
              2. 31231
                31231 9 October 2013 18: 36 New
                +2
                There is nothing strange here that the Azerbaijanis support the aggression of Ssakashville. After all, they themselves have the same sore spot in Karabakh.
                1. alone
                  alone 9 October 2013 18: 46 New
                  +2
                  there’s no doubt that Saakashvili is a jerk. One order to open fire on the positions of the peacekeepers is already an occasion to doubt it. His mistake was that he decided to look for a solution to the problem there for
                  thousands of kilometers. and as a state leader miscalculated.

                  we don’t support Saakashvili. Georgia is still not only Saakashvili, Georgia is still primarily the Georgian people. Once you respect the people, you must respect its territorial integrity hi
                  1. 31231
                    31231 9 October 2013 20: 47 New
                    +2
                    I gladly put a plus. Just note my opinion. The times of the crusades have passed. And territorial integrity must be won economically. Only economically developed “centers” are enclaves attached.
                    Machine guns and bombs only wield the lights of democracy.
                  2. alexng
                    alexng 9 October 2013 22: 01 New
                    +2
                    Quote: lonely
                    since you respect the people, you must respect its territorial integrity


                    And you dear, you yourself can answer your question by thinking of one interesting task: how many months, days, or hours over the administrative buildings of South Ossetia since the collapse of the USSR hung the Georgian flag. What territorial integrity may be a question if neither South Ossetia nor Abkhazia from the very beginning recognized itself as part of Georgia, and categorically. The problem is just another, if Georgia would initially give these two enclaves autonomy within Georgia, then there would be no such problems even then. But that’s all! Now it’s too late to drink Borjomi. These peoples will never forgive her for that hail slaughter.
                    And even in Nature, everything is arranged in such a way that they listen not to those who scream strongly, but to those who speak quietly.
                    1. alone
                      alone 9 October 2013 22: 10 New
                      +1
                      bring me the fact of the participation of the Georgian population in the referendum on independence
                      South Ossetia and AbkhazSR, who lived there and I will be two-handed for their independence. The problem is that when they talk about the rights of people, for some reason everyone starts to divide them at their discretion. And the decision to withdraw autonomies from Georgia was made during the USSR says? but the fact that the basic law-constitution of the USSR was violated doesn’t say anything either? then it makes no sense to arrange a polemic here. I personally try to reason about this objectively. for me there is a letter of the law. for you the concept of “winners are not judged "))))
                      1. alexng
                        alexng 10 October 2013 00: 08 New
                        +5
                        We seem to exist in different time spaces. What kind of hell (for moderators is a literary word) letter of laws do you speak? The dissolution of the USSR is already an illegal act - three drunks decided everything for 160 million, and eleven idiots swallowed this savagery, except for one Nazarbayev (Kazakhstan), of course. Is the division of Ossetians into the North and South republics also a sign of goodwill? In the 91st, everything was reset to zero and everyone pulled a blanket over themselves. People did not want to change their USSR citizen passport to Georgian (and at that time anyone on the Soviet passport could become a citizen of any CIS country), but changed to Russian. This is the "Choice" of the people themselves, and it amounted to almost 90%. Now it is already a separate republic and now they are citizens of not Ossetia, but South Ossetia. But in the modern world, the choice of the majority does not count? The main thing is how the top decides? In the modern world, international law does not exist at all (on paper, yes, but in real life it simply does not exist), there are only conditional agreements. But the West does not adhere to these rules. In recent years, the crisis has somewhat stung them in ambition, but hypocrisy still remains, as did the desire to bomb any unwanted country. Time will put everything in its place. In the meantime, you have your own opinion on this issue, but I have my own. And which of us is right not for us to judge. Each person has his own reality, his own world and his own truth ...
                      2. alexng
                        alexng 10 October 2013 00: 35 New
                        +2
                        Yes, by the way, a deep bow to your president, who loves his country and cares for her. A real statesman. hi And yet, if Aliyev the senior had come to power in due time instead of Gorbachev, the Union would not have collapsed ... This is so, by the way. "Stroke".
                2. sanych your division
                  sanych your division 13 October 2013 13: 59 New
                  +1
                  Georgian pickled ties a national dish?
                3. alsid
                  alsid 13 October 2013 15: 34 New
                  0
                  we are responsible for those whom we choose!
          3. smile
            smile 9 October 2013 11: 39 New
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            smersh70
            Hello.
            1. According to the NF Prosecutor General’s Office, on August 20, 2008, the identities of 133 civilians from Tskhinval who died at the hands of Georgian troops were identified. In general, at present, the total number of civilians destroyed is 1600-1700 (I don’t remember exactly) people, including captured, devastated villages. This makes up over one percent of the republic’s population. In two days. So, two days, one percent. Like? Or is this nonsense, a matter of everyday life? Is that enough for you?
            The mass of war recordings made by the Georgians themselves proves. that when they entered the city they thrashed everything that was moving, accompanying their actions with a joyful neighing and cheerful remarks. The mass of destroyed civilian cars on the road of death - when the Georgians allowed the exit of the peaceful people of their city, and then shot the cars with the refugees, irrefutably exposes the cannibalistic essence of the actions of the Georgian military. These cars were taken by our journalists who entered the city together with our troops. Or ours shot all these cars, corpses and howling relatives in a couple of hours. picking out the bodies of their relatives from cars? Don't you think that in your Russophobia you are too carried away? I understand that Brave Mishiko is your friend and ally (one must think, of course, against whom), but do not repeat his propaganda - he screwed up his lies so much that it was somehow ... ashamed to believe him.

            2. When leaving the USSR, the opinion of the Ossetians and Abkhazians was not deigned by the Georgians to ask. They had the same right to withdraw from Georgia as Georgia from the USSR. That’s all.
            Further. During the entire period of its existence, Georgia provided serious support to Chechen fighters. Tell you about the road paved to Georgia by Russian slaves? Tell you about Chechen Kistins? Are you still pretending you didn’t know about the rear bases of the Chechen fighters in Georgia? Then the question for you is why you feel bad about Armenia, because it simply supports NGOs as Georgia supported the Chechen separatists; through Georgia, the Chechens had the only connection with the outside world, it was through it that weapons, foreign emissaries and mercenaries flowed there. Or you say on the blue eye. What do you not know about this? Or say that these are trifles?
            In the light of the above, your indignation looks like cynical hypocrisy.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 9 October 2013 12: 56 New
              -23
              Quote: smile
              They had the same right to withdraw from Georgia as Georgia from the USSR. That’s all.

              Hello !!!!!! read the Constitution of the USSR well and the Law on secession from the USSR !!!!! only the UNION republics could leave the right .... if the autonomous republics came out, then the agreement of the armed forces of the union republic should have been !!! !!!!. autonomous regions and republics were autonomous ...... hi
              Quote: smile
              Then the question for you is why you feel bad about Armenia, because it simply supports NGOs

              because Armenia aimed to violate the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, assenting to the separatists ... You get ahead of yourself first - Armenia is good for yours when it supports the separatists, and Georgia is bad at the same time supporting the Chechen separatists laughing
              about the Chechens --- by the way, it was your unloved Misha who removed them from his territory ... the bases were in the time of Chevy ......
              Quote: smile
              your indignation

              this is not a resentment)) this is a statement of facts !!!!!!!
              1. smile
                smile 9 October 2013 13: 48 New
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                smersh70
                1. No, do you decide first - Georgia is good in that it supported our separatists or not? If good, then why do you think Armenia is bad? If it’s bad, then where does your indignation come from, so she got what she deserved :)))? Georgia directedly directed at the collapse of our territorial integrity, as you say, assented to the separatists. You yourself are trapped ... :)))
                The unloved Brave Mishiko, the Chechens simply ceased to be needed - when the border was tightly blocked, in the course of the CTO, the number of those who were heading for Chechnya was considerably reduced, it became difficult and expensive for sabotage groups to make their way to us. And the Kistins comrades stopped visiting us and began to pose a danger to Georgia, because he put his fosterlings and pressed them to the nail. And do not say that if you don’t know, I won’t believe it. :)))

                2. Upon leaving Georgia.
                In addition to the law you indicated, a resolution was also adopted by the USSR Supreme Soviet on April 3.04.90, XNUMX, "On the Enactment of the Law of the USSR" On the Procedure for Solving Issues Related to the Exit of a Union Republic from the USSR.
                According to these laws, the procedure for secession of republics from the USSR or from union republics (as applied to autonomous republics) is possible even before the enactment of this Law, but only if the interests of the interested parties — the USSR, union or autonomous republics — are not violated. If there is a violation of the rights and freedoms of one of the parties concerned or a violation of the procedure for a country to withdraw from contractual relations by one of the subjects of international law is recorded, then legal acts on the basis of which illegal actions are committed are considered illegitimate and invalid from the very beginning. The Georgian "law-making" refers precisely to such cases.

                In accordance with the Law on the procedure for secession from the USSR, autonomous republics in the event of a union republic secession from the USSR had the right to independently decide on their stay in the USSR and their state and legal status, but Georgia, in violation of the Law of April 3, 1990 and adopting unilateral decision, including for autonomous entities included in its composition, withdrew from the Union. Before the collapse of the USSR, Abkhazia. for example, they raised the question of restoring the status of a union republic lost by Stalin’s will and not only did not intend to retire anywhere, but voted to preserve the Union. At the All-Union March referendum, "Abkhazian separatists", incidentally, were among the most ardent supporters of preserving a single state, primarily because they remembered their recent history and had a real idea of ​​what awaits them in the event of the collapse of the Union. Thus, the Abkhazians tried to exercise their "right to independently resolve the issue of staying in the USSR or in a leaving union republic, as well as to raise the question of their state and legal status" (Article 3). The unilateral action of Georgia threatened the very existence of the Abkhaz ethnic group.
                The same applies to Ossetia. If you want, I will provide specific links to specific articles.

                Unfortunately. forced to state. that behind your statements lies either legal ignorance or an attempt to intentionally misinform
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 9 October 2013 14: 20 New
                  -13
                  Quote: smile
                  in the event of a union republic leaving the USSR, they had the right to independently decide on their stay in the USSR and their state and legal status,

                  my friend is cunning)))))))) it is the decision of the Armed Forces of the Autonomous Republic that must be confirmed by the Armed Forces of the Union Republic ..
                  Constitution of the USSR .. Article 78. The territory of a union republic cannot be
                  modified without her consent.

                  read also paragraph 14.7 .--- 7) the status of territories not belonging to the leaving republic at the time of its entry into the USSR was agreed;
                  8) the status of territories in which the national groups referred to in part two of Article 3 of this Law live compactly has been agreed upon, taking into account the results of their will at the referendum;
                  1. smile
                    smile 9 October 2013 15: 39 New
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                    smersh70
                    Georgia withdrew from the USSR before the Bialowieza Agreements, the autonomous republics held a referendum based on the results of which they decided that it was necessary to remain part of the Union. Georgians refer to the Constitution of the USSR coming out of its composition is simply ridiculous. And if you use our legislation, I once again draw attention to paragraph 2 of the Law "On the Enactment of the Law of the USSR" On the Procedure for Solving Issues Related to the Exit of a Union Republic from the USSR. "
                    There in black and white:
                    the procedure for secession of republics from the USSR or from union republics (as applied to autonomous republics) is possible even before the enactment of this Law, but only if the interests of the parties concerned — the USSR, union or autonomous republics — are not violated.
                    And since the interests of Ossetia and Abkhazia are violated, everything, all the rest of Georgia’s lawmaking on this subject is illegitimate and legally insignificant. Also, this law states that it has retroactive effect.
                    I agree. that it is casuistry and each of the parties used holes in the legislation. but there are more legal arguments in favor of Abkhazia and Ossetia.
                    To be honest, I don’t want to climb according to the law - at one time I analyzed this story in sufficient detail for myself and came to the conclusion that the actions of the Georgian side were unlawful.
                    A good, perhaps exhaustive, selection of lawmaking of the time, http://soveticus5.narod.ru/85/sborn91.htm
                    only you can read until blue in the face, a lot. But I advise.
                    1. smersh70
                      smersh70 9 October 2013 16: 17 New
                      0
                      Quote: smile
                      Georgia withdrew from the USSR before the Bialowieza Accords

                      Yes, they did not go anywhere. Also, like the Baltic states. In words, they clicked and all ..... the borders. army.party organs. budget everything was in the hands of the Union .... the USSR collapsed for your information only after Pushcha .. and when Gorbachev put an end to 31/12.1991/XNUMX ... and the UN all were accepted within its borders .. .....
            2. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 13: 35 New
              -17
              Quote: smile
              In general, at present, the total number of civilians destroyed-1600-1700 (I do not remember exactly) people, including captured, devastated villages

              and where did these 1600 civilians be buried? why not show on TV or in pictures? evidence where?
              Quote: smile
              The mass of war records made by the Georgians themselves proves. that when they entered the city they thrashed everything that was moving, accompanying their actions with a joyful neighing and cheerful remarks.

              but nowhere is it visible that they killed a civilian? and the upper floors in large houses will not hide civilians but will be in the basement!
              Quote: smile
              The mass of destroyed civilian cars on the road of death - when the Georgians allowed the exit of the peaceful people of their city, and then shot the cars with the refugees, irrefutably exposes the cannibalistic essence of the actions of the Georgian military.

              and not what fact? Yes, if cars were spread, where did they go? or do you think that a journalist photographer will miss this chance and take a photo or video?
              Quote: smile
              These cars were taken by our journalists who entered the city together with our troops. Or ours shot all these cars, corpses and howling relatives in a couple of hours.

              can you show? I know about white Lada but others?
              Quote: smile
              I understand that Brave Mishiko

              for me he is not a snake, I consider him to be a coward
              Quote: smile
              so screwed up in his lies that somehow to believe him

              you yourself are a victim of propaganda respected
              Quote: smile
              During the entire period of its existence, Georgia rendered serious support to Chechen fighters. Tell you about the road paved to Georgia by Russian slaves? Tell you about Chechen Kistins? Are you still pretending you didn’t know about the rear bases of Chechen fighters in Georgia? Then you have a question - why do you feel bad about Armenia - because it simply supports NGOs as Georgia supported the Chechen separatists - through Georgia, the Chechens had the only connection with the outside world, it was through it that weapons, foreign emissaries and mercenaries flowed there. Or you say on the blue eye. What do you not know about this? Or say that these are trifles?
              In the light of the above, your indignation looks like cynical hypocrisy.

              and who supported the Chechens warrior in Abkhazia 92-93 years? which country brought weapons and equipment to Basayev’s kator, then took Gagra and killed many civilians there? support for Chechens stopped 2004-05 years and arrested many and transported to Russian prisons !!!


              Warriors always suffer more than non-people! both materially and sincerely!
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 9 October 2013 13: 50 New
                -9
                Quote: GEOKING95
                both materially and sincerely!

                hi! where I have been until now) one while I take my breath off))))))))))))
                1. Geokingxnumx
                  Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 14: 22 New
                  0
                  Quote: smersh70
                  hi! g

                  Hello how are you?
                  Quote: smersh70
                  where I was until now) one while I puff off

                  Yes, I don’t have time for the Internet laughing I'm studying for medical))
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 9 October 2013 14: 28 New
                    +1
                    Quote: GEOKING95
                    Hello how are you?


                    even for the usual hello-set minus laughing these are the arguments))))) wassat no words ........
                    Quote: GEOKING95
                    studying in medical

                    and you’re doing it right! Peaceful Profession !!!!! the truth sometimes you have to go here ... a good site .. the truth is forged in disputes good
                    1. Geokingxnumx
                      Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 14: 41 New
                      +1
                      Quote: smersh70
                      even for the usual hello-set a minus that's the reason))))) there are no words ........

                      laughing love some minus
                      Quote: smersh70
                      right and doing! peaceful Profession !!!!!

                      thank! peaceful but also difficult laughing
                      Quote: smersh70
                      the truth is sometimes necessary to go here ... a good site .. the truth is forged in disputes

                      great site! I’ll go and read, but there is no time for comments and disputes! if people argue well without a mat and without insult and respect their opinion, then in a dispute you will learn a lot)
                    2. Boris63
                      Boris63 9 October 2013 18: 23 New
                      -2
                      Sir, please write CHRISTMAS.
                    3. smile
                      smile 9 October 2013 20: 15 New
                      +7
                      Boris63
                      Come on, the guy is quite young, he is learning Russian, but has not yet mastered it completely. Well is this bad? On the contrary, one should welcome the study of the Russian language.
                    4. Geokingxnumx
                      Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 21: 21 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Boris63
                      Sir, please write CHRISTMAS.

                      try sir
                2. smile
                  smile 9 October 2013 15: 43 New
                  +7
                  smersh70
                  Looks like someone your "Hello" seemed very suspicious ... :))))))
                3. smersh70
                  smersh70 9 October 2013 16: 23 New
                  +3
                  Quote: smile
                  Looks like someone your "Hello" seemed very suspicious ... :))))))


                  laughed for a long time drinks laughing good all .... right now, they will accuse me of Russophobia))) and by the evening they will demote me again))))))) in the morning after reading the article .... I thought ... getting into a "fight" while losing everything and making "opponents" or quietly walk past)))))) .... no. decided all the same .. write)))). it’s true what else will happen in the evening))) ooyoy wassat ..
              2. Deniska
                Deniska 9 October 2013 17: 39 New
                +1
                No need to need a constructive dialogue! I don’t know the constitution of the USSR and the laws on withdrawal, but I read the “skirmish” with pleasure all the pluses))
            3. SPBOBL
              SPBOBL 9 October 2013 17: 13 New
              -2
              I hope the medical is not in Russia?
              1. Geokingxnumx
                Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 17: 36 New
                +5
                Quote: SPBOBL
                I hope the medical is not in Russia?

                in Georgia) I wanted in Russia) but not how (I want to hold a master's program there!
                why hope? Russian medicine is one of the best
              2. SPBOBL
                SPBOBL 9 October 2013 20: 01 New
                0
                so that I don’t get to you ... :)
              3. Geokingxnumx
                Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 20: 49 New
                +4
                Quote: SPBOBL
                so that I don’t get to you ... :)

                yes so say my friends :(
                my friends: if I get to you it’s better to shoot me
              4. SPBOBL
                SPBOBL 9 October 2013 21: 36 New
                0
                But how did you get together with such anti-Russian views in Russia?
              5. Geokingxnumx
                Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 21: 41 New
                +4
                Quote: SPBOBL
                But how did you get together with such anti-Russian views in Russia?

                what anti Russian) I am not Russophobe
          4. SPBOBL
            SPBOBL 9 October 2013 20: 40 New
            -2
            i won't get to you
          5. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 9 October 2013 21: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: SPBOBL
            I hope the medical is not in Russia?

            My friend, there is a small, hardly distinguishable difference between patriotism and xenophobia. I recommend a closer look.
          6. SPBOBL
            SPBOBL 9 October 2013 22: 45 New
            -1
            mother in law! ... abbreviated.
    3. smile
      smile 9 October 2013 14: 52 New
      +7
      smersh70
      And here is your untruth:))) - I’m scolding you — here is another messerschmit who has pulled himself up - our colleague GEOKING95, whom I sincerely respect. Chichas will start to shoot from you ... :)))
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 14: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: smile
        messerschmitt

        laughing
        Here I am
        1. smile
          smile 9 October 2013 15: 48 New
          +8
          Geokingxnumx
          Krasssavets! :)))
          You are like in a joke, a man who opened a door for a knock, a man ran into a pale woman in a hood and a scythe ... Who are you? - I-Death. So what? - Well, that's all! :)))
          But we still have some fun :)))
        2. alone
          alone 9 October 2013 23: 23 New
          +4
          Quote: smile
          You are like in a joke, a man who opened a door for a knock, a man ran into a pale woman in a hood and a scythe ... Who are you? - I-Death. So what? - Well, that's all! :)))
          But we still have some fun :)))


          another joke.

          the addict sits under a tree and nervously fills the syringe with dope. Suddenly he raises his head and sees that he is pale with a hood and a scythe.
          quickly throws the syringe aside and asks: “who are you?” “I am death !!” “come on !!” but I thought that the precinct !!
    4. Corsair
      Corsair 9 October 2013 14: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: smile
      Here is another Messerschmit pulled himself up - our colleague GEOKING95, whom I sincerely respect. Chichas will start to shoot from you ... :)))


      Greetings! If it is "tight" I will "cover" wink laughing In the meantime, the "traditional" picture.
      Clickable Image:
    5. smersh70
      smersh70 9 October 2013 15: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: smile
      Chichas will start to shoot from you ... :)))

      let's go into this game then)) there I am also under this nickname laughing and my best plane is of course Messer 109! and another IL-2 good
      1. smile
        smile 9 October 2013 15: 53 New
        +2
        smersh70
        You can laugh, but this is the only toy I sometimes dabble in :)) True, the network has never been released. And most of all I like La 5 FN or La 7. Already Messer certainly does, especially if there is little fuel. :)))
      2. novobranets
        novobranets 9 October 2013 16: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: smile
        but this is the only toy

        Cool simulator, the only game on my computer. hi
  2. Corsair
    Corsair 9 October 2013 15: 32 New
    +3
    Quote: smile
    Chichas will start to shoot from you ... :)))

    Something I do not feel the "shelling" (comments) of the Georgian side.
    Not really "timid Georgians fled ©"?
    1. smile
      smile 9 October 2013 15: 56 New
      +5
      Corsair
      Yes, by the way, brawlers. for some reason, no ... okay.
      And GEOKING95 is a normal sane guy (although we sometimes get a little scandalous), we can agree with him. If there were all such, we would have reconciled long ago.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 9 October 2013 16: 01 New
      +6
      Quote: smile
      If there were all such, we would have reconciled long ago.

      But it is necessary to put up ... God willing, Georgians (and other peoples of the former USSR) will soon realize that Russia is not their enemy ...
    3. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 16: 02 New
      +4
      Quote: Corsair
      Russia is not their enemy ...

      the enemies are not countries and peoples, but politicians in whose hands money and shelter
    4. Corsair
      Corsair 9 October 2013 16: 12 New
      +8
      Quote: GEOKING95
      the enemies are not countries and peoples, but politicians in whose hands money and shelter

      The policy of the Russian State satisfies the overwhelming majority of citizens of the Russian Federation (at least the FOREIGN POLICY aspect) there is no blood on us, we defended ourselves and saved civilians.
      Blood is in the hands of YOUR politicians who shed it for AMERICAN money and interests
  3. carbofo
    carbofo 9 October 2013 16: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: smile
    A GEOKING95 normal sane man

    I agree, it’s a pity that his view of things is already blocked by propaganda, but there is communication in order to see the world from a different angle !.
  4. smersh70
    smersh70 9 October 2013 16: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Corsair
    Something I do not feel the "shelling" (comments) of the Georgian side.


    so I'm for them laughing there are so few of them)) and you are many))))) .. I don’t have enough for you wassat almost all their arguments said))))
  5. Corsair
    Corsair 10 October 2013 17: 06 New
    0
    Quote: smersh70
    so I'm for them there are so few of them)) and you are many))))).

    For the TRUTH and the RIGHT CASE in Russia, from time immemorial, the majority has risen. soldier
  6. Corsair
    Corsair 11 October 2013 18: 36 New
    0
    Quote: Corsair
    Quote: smersh70
    so I'm for them there are so few of them)) and you are many))))).

    For the TRUTH and the RIGHT CASE in Russia, from time immemorial, the majority has risen. soldier

    Interestingly, WHO doubts what the MOST FORCE is ?.
    Where is the rationale for the minus?
  • Andrey57
    Andrey57 9 October 2013 14: 40 New
    +5
    For ten years you supported the Chechen bandits, providing them with everything necessary, including foreign terrorists such as Khattab, having arranged a passage yard at the border, and now you don’t like what you got on your ears? So rejoice that Tbilisi and everything else weren’t gouged to the very Turkish border, but, by the way, I really wanted that in the future we wouldn’t yap at Russia, we had to multiply the whole Georgian army by zero for the killed peacekeepers, so that not a single g . but. e. n s. n., of those participating in the attack, did not leave alive. The word "Georgia" was written with a small letter not because of illiteracy, but because of complete disrespect for this country. And you learn the Russian language, before entering the Russian-language sites.
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 14: 55 New
      -2
      Quote: Andrey57
      For ten years you supported the Chechen bandits, providing them with everything necessary, including foreign terrorists such as Khattab, having arranged a passage yard at the border, and now you don’t like what you got on your ears?

      these Chechen gangsters seachas at the head of Chechnya and serve your army and police! get the money! and forgot that they killed civilians and soldiers of Russia (and not only in Georgia were in Abkhazia too)!
      Quote: Andrey57
      so rejoice that Tbilisi and everything else were not gouged to the very Turkish border,

      you don’t even know that western Georgia fought Turkey and eastern Georgia with Iran!
      Quote: Andrey57
      for the killed peacekeepers it was necessary to multiply the whole army of Georgia by zero, so that not a single city would be a. e. n s. n., of those participating in the attack, did not leave alive.

      You can’t argue without insulting, not sporting!
      Quote: Andrey57
      The word "Georgia" was written with a small letter not from illiteracy, but because of complete disrespect for this country

      you are low fallen respected!
      Quote: Andrey57
      And you learn the Russian language, before entering the Russian-language sites.

      Dear, yes, I am studying here) and I have progress so to speak) and it is not your business where I will go)
      and for my grammar I apologize
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 9 October 2013 15: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: GEOKING95
        these Chechen gangsters seachas at the head of Chechnya and serve your army and police! get the money! and forgot that they killed civilians and soldiers of Russia (and not only in Georgia were in Abkhazia too)!

        In the history of Russia, this has happened more than once, remember the emirs of Bukhara, who cut Russian heads in the 19 century and then faithfully served the tsar, remember Imam Shamil, the Central Asian Basmachi, who later took over Soviet power and many others ...

        Their WHAT needed to be "cut to the root"?

        The Slavic SOUL is outgoing, we have a slightly different mentality, unlike your "patron" of the United States, which puts itself at the forefront, ignoring the right to life of other peoples ...
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 9 October 2013 16: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: Andrey57
      The word "Georgia" was written with a small letter not because of illiteracy, but because of complete disrespect for this country. And you learn the Russian language, before entering the Russian-language sites.

      In general, fair comment, BUT ... (-) for this quote.
    3. 31231
      31231 9 October 2013 19: 08 New
      +3
      I think you are arrogant. Georgians are people like us. And for some reason you are trying to introduce us to the rank of "exceptional". But this place is already occupied by the Americans.
  • smile
    smile 9 October 2013 15: 14 New
    +4
    Geokingxnumx

    I saw the shots of Georgian soldiers firing at the cars of the world’s car and rushing around, they went around all the channels. Yes, and you must admit, they wouldn’t laugh and joke while firing, if it was a battle and they were shot in response. I also saw beaten cars and women howling near them in the reports of our journalists who entered Tskhinval with the time-forces on a fake they simply did not have. There were about a dozen cars. You know, I’m not going to get right now to look for these videos — it will take a lot of time — at least shoot me :))) but I saw them with my own eyes. Yes, and you could not help but see. At the entrance to the city, our zhurnalyugi learned enough shots with corpses and crying women ... what, did they all come up with? They brought corpses and extras with them? Who is the victim of propaganda?
    Chechen formations appeared there at the behest of the Confederation of Mountain Peoples, which was worse for Russians than for Georgians. Prior to this, Basayev fought on the side of Azerbaijanis against Armenians in NGOs, and the Azerbaijani leadership praised his merits. True, the Armenians took him prisoner ... it is a pity they didn’t shoot him, a female dog. Weapons - partly self-capture, partly sold by our corrupt ... organisms of completely different nationalities.

    I agree that the peaceful people always suffer the most, but it was the deliberate extermination of people here, I don’t know if the Georgian military had orders or was it an initiative. Well, the fact that you do not like Mishiko, I know, honor and praise for this.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 9 October 2013 15: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: smile
      I also saw beaten cars and women howling around them in the reports of our journalists who entered Tskhinval with the time-forces on a fake they simply did not have.

      We don’t know how, and we don’t want to arrange these or those tragic events to please ourselves, as the Americans do. And on the example of the South Ossetian conflict, it became obvious that the state masters of false propaganda had “worthy” imitators in Georgia ...
      But TIME and TRUTH put everything in its place.
      1. Boris63
        Boris63 9 October 2013 19: 15 New
        +2
        So who taught them something, therefore (I think) not imitators but diligent students.
    2. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 15: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: smile
      I saw the shots of Georgian soldiers firing at the cars of the world’s car and rushing around, they went around all the channels. Yes, and you must admit, they wouldn’t laugh and joke while firing, if it was a battle and they were shot in response.

      I saw that video many times!
      Quote: smile
      I also saw beaten cars and women howling around them in the reports of our journalists who entered Tskhinval with the time-forces on a fake they simply did not have.

      State journalists I do not believe! after the warrior they could shoot
      Quote: smile
      You know, I’m not going to get right now to look for these videos — it will take a lot of time — at least shoot me :)))
      I am a peaceful person and will not shoot you laughing

      Quote: smile
      but I saw them myself with my own eyes. Yes, and you could not help but see. At the entrance to the city, our zhurnalyugi learned enough shots with corpses and crying women ... what, did they all come up with? They brought corpses and extras with them? Who is the victim of propaganda?
      I was a victim of propaganda) but then I took and looked and Russian and other materials from other countries! yes but agree that if so many had died before and the cemetery of those killed "under the aggression of Georgia" would have been more? is not it?


      Quote: smile
      Chechen formations appeared there at the behest of the Confederation of Mountain Peoples, which was worse for Russians than for Georgians. Prior to this, Basayev fought on the side of Azerbaijanis against Armenians in NGOs, and the Azerbaijani leadership praised his merits. True, the Armenians took him prisoner ... it is a pity they didn’t shoot him, a female dog. Weapons - partly self-capture, partly sold by our corrupt ... organisms of completely different nationalities.

      and aviation? and about the day Sukhumi how did it happen?
      Quote: smile
      I agree that the peaceful people always suffer the most, but it was the deliberate extermination of people here, I don’t know if the Georgian military had orders or was it an initiative. Well, the fact that you do not like Mishiko, I know, honor and praise for this.

      a moderate destruction of the inhabitants can not be! come in so that the "separatists" would be neutralized and then destroy civilians why? such an operation should have been carried out by purely and minimal losses from both sides (and civilians)! so it was from the Russian side as well, some pilots froze and bombed living houses) and they did not kill Georgian prisoners
      1. Boris63
        Boris63 9 October 2013 19: 24 New
        +6
        The multiple launch rocket systems "work" across the squares and do not distinguish between a militia or a peaceful one. In addition, fire on the barracks of the peacekeepers was put ONE FIRST, and this (I hope you still have common sense) is not at all pacification of any “buzoters”.
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 9 October 2013 16: 32 New
      -2
      Quote: smile
      and the Azerbaijani leadership praised his merits


      By the way, he studied with our guys ... after all, they did not yet have combat experience ...
      Quote: smile
      True, the Armenians captured him ..

      Well, here I thought that it’s not you who are writing, but the Stoic or Zhenya laughing there was no such thing)))) even Voskopanat did not think of such a thing)))))))
      Quote: smile
      sorry not shot

      But if he helped the Abkhaz on a par with the Russians .. it’s inconsistent ...
      Quote: smile
      female sss

      although he was the enemy. you ... you can’t write about the warrior .. the enemy must be respected ....
      1. smile
        smile 9 October 2013 18: 24 New
        +7
        smersh70
        I heard about Basayev’s capture by the Armenians at that time, now tyrneta is replete with such statements, therefore, I believe, he is right. Although I can’t say for sure. But the fact that the Armenians poked the Czechs there is an irrefutable fact ... or will you argue? :)))
        You will probably have to restrain your pride in the fact that this sssu ... and learned from you, because the Armenians who hit on his teeth taught clearly more clearly. :)))
        I repeat, the Chechens fought on the side of the Azerbaijanis by decision of the Confederation of Mountain Peoples, who treated us even worse than the Georgians. Why did he defend Abkhazians from Georgians - all questions to the Czechs, and not to us. Moreover, Georgians rightly note his cruelty towards civilians.
        A warrior who cuts off captive heads for pleasure, who grabs hospitals and shoots while hiding behind sick women placed in window openings, sticking out an automaton between the legs of a woman standing on a windowsill, loses her warrior status and goes into the category of rabid dogs unworthy to be called not just a male warrior and generally a man, so that your respect for him characterizes you quite well ...
        For me, he is not an adversary, but the dirt that needs to be wiped. Although dangerous dirt is poisonous and vile.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 9 October 2013 19: 51 New
          0
          Quote: smile
          that the Armenians nostychali Czechs there is an irrefutable fact ... or will you argue? :

          you don’t completely know the history of hostilities .. here it’s not a topic. but just go to this site military-az.com there and this topic is .. read ...
        2. smile
          smile 9 October 2013 20: 56 New
          +3
          smersh70
          Okay, okay, I don’t know anything -You defeated everyone together with Basayev, at the same time teaching him to fight ... that’s why the disputed territory remained with you, and the Armenian army is half armed with trophies ... :))) Let's tie this topic I’m no longer discussing, I don’t want to breed srach from scratch.
      2. vahatak
        vahatak 9 October 2013 19: 56 New
        +2
        The first I hear about the capture of Bassaev. The guy ran fast.
      3. smile
        smile 9 October 2013 20: 51 New
        +4
        vahatak
        If you say this, you believe, you don’t have to lie. So I fell for unverified gossip. I admit it. It happens.:)))
      4. Corsair
        Corsair 10 October 2013 06: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: vahatak
        The guy ran fast.

        He ran ... Do not run away from just retribution!
    4. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 9 October 2013 20: 34 New
      +6
      Quote: smile
      A warrior who cuts off captives for the sake of pleasure, who grabs hospitals and shoots hiding behind sick women placed in the window openings, sticking out an automatic machine between the legs of a woman standing on the windowsill, loses the status of a warrior and passes into the category of rabid dogs unworthy to be called not just a male warrior and generally human

      Well said, Vladimir.
      In the beginning, the Czechs were worthy opponents, but then they lowered their dignity to the very d.
      I support you in this dispute.

      Stsukoshvilli - scum, like all politicians.
      But he also became a killer for his personal benefits. Bust in everything. He is double scum.
      Faced in the fray, not only fraternal peoples, but also ... Orthodox.
      On the count of it.
    5. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 October 2013 07: 25 New
      -2
      Quote: Aleks tv
      In the beginning, the Czechs were worthy opponents, but then they lowered their dignity to the very d.

      So yours have not retained dignity, agree !!
      Although you have one deceased colonel, Lebed was worth the army!
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  • Muadipus
    Muadipus 9 October 2013 15: 40 New
    -1
    Quote: GEOKING95
    Quote: smile
    The mass of war records made by the Georgians themselves proves. that when they entered the city they thrashed everything that was moving, accompanying their actions with a joyful neighing and cheerful remarks.

    but nowhere is it visible that they killed a civilian? and the upper floors in large houses will not hide civilians but will be in the basement!

    Amazing logic !!!

    I don’t understand, have the Georgians always been like that, or is it a pend 0 that washed human qualities in their brains? I really hope that you are one and this thinking is not national in nature.
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 15: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Muadipus
      I don’t understand, have the Georgians always been like that, or is it a pend 0 that washed human qualities in their brains? I really hope that you are one and this thinking is not national in nature.

      Sorry, but when in the city where the battle is being fired, people hide in bunkers or basements! what would you do would remain in an apartment on the 9 floor or go down would go a safe place! I would go down in the basement
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 10 October 2013 07: 28 New
        0
        Quote: GEOKING95
        sorry but when in the city the battle r

        everyone saw that a week before the events, civilians were withdrawing from Ossetia !!
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 13 October 2013 03: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Yarbay
          everyone saw that a week before the events, civilians were withdrawing from Ossetia !!

          Georgians took out women and children, old people and old women from the "Georgian" villages.
          The male population was assigned the role of a force called upon to support Georgia’s regular troops by fire. Almost 100% of the male population of the “Georgian” villages had on their hands small automatic weapons issued by them back in 2005 ...
  • Syrdon
    Syrdon 9 October 2013 16: 03 New
    +1
    I suggest you a baton, a trip to Tskhinval and see everything with your own eyes, the benefit of driving from Tbilisi for a couple of hours. You will see both torn cars and dead villages (except yours) and cemeteries with fresh graves. I can still recommend going to school, there is also a cemetery, because your "brave" warriors did not allow people to bury in the city cemetery. Truly humane, “kind”, hospitable people of the Georgians, and for me so mean, cowardly jackals.
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 16: 13 New
      +4
      Quote: Syrdon
      I suggest you batono, go to Tskhinval and see everything with your own eyes

      they won't let me in
      Quote: Syrdon
      You will see both torn cars and dead villages (except yours) and cemeteries with fresh graves.

      have you been there Well, how many of these dead Georgian villages?

      Quote: Syrdon
      I can still recommend going to school, there is also a cemetery, due to the fact that your "brave" warriors did not allow people to bury in the city cemetery

      I did not know about THAT THERE there were graves!

      Quote: Syrdon
      due to the fact that your "brave" warriors did not allow people to bury in the city cemetery.

      ? as? during warriors or in peacetime
      Quote: Syrdon
      . Truly humane, “kind”, hospitable people of the Georgians, and for me so mean, cowardly jackals.

      without insult you cannot write it badly
      1. Syrdon
        Syrdon 9 October 2013 18: 05 New
        +3
        I don’t know what year of birth you are, apparently you were born in modern Georgia if you speak Russian poorly, and so, there has been a conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia since 1989, when Gamsakhurdia decided that the opinion of non-Georgians does not matter. In 1989, for the first time, you decided to seize Tskhinvali with a cavalry charge in the guise of a march there, but it didn’t work for you. Then, already in the 90s, your “Mkhedrioni", and in fact a gangster rabble released from prisons, made 2 attempts to storm the city, whereas now, in 08, your unfortunate warriors managed to reach only half of the city, namely to ul. Stalin. Then you were driven out of the city by militias armed with hunting rifles. Then you surrounded the city and it was then that your "brave" bandit warriors did not allow the peaceful people to bury people in the cemetery, which is why they had to bury them on the school grounds. Moreover, the graves in the city cemetery were desecrated, many tombstones were simply stolen. As you should know, such things in the Caucasus are unacceptable and deadly. After that, throughout the 90s and 00, you periodically tried to grab something there, under Shevarnadze there was even a chance to somehow resolve this issue peacefully, but it didn’t work, the only more or less sane condom you dumped overseas from the ocean . Well, everything else after 080808 is already the result of your actions. For the Ossetians in the beginning didn’t provoke you or threaten you, they just wanted to live as free people, and not non-Georgian in Georgia. Peace time in the relationship between you and the Ossetians from 1989 to the present did not have.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 October 2013 07: 31 New
      -1
      Quote: Syrdon
      I suggest you batono, go to Tskhinval and see everything with your own eyes

      and what you 94-95 in Grozny did not go to see with your own eyes ?????
      Georgia put constitutional order in its territory and did the right thing !!
      Not all Russia’s miscalculations simply outplayed them !!
      And they acted correctly!
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  • alone
    alone 9 October 2013 16: 28 New
    +2
    I welcome Vladimir! Knowing you as the most adequate interlocutor, I will allow you to disagree with your arguments about the separatists. firstly by the constitution of the ussr
    autonomous entities did not have the right to unilaterally withdraw from the union republic. A nationwide referendum must first be held in the territory of the whole republic, if people say yes, then they leave the republic. This was written in the constitution. Unilateral decision of South Ossetia, Abkhssr and NKAO did not they had no legal force. In the collapse of all countries they accepted the UN and recognized independence within the borders of the union. Armenia does not support NKAO, as far back as 1989, Armenia illegally connected the territory of NKAO into its composition and still has not canceled this decree .a this is pure annexation.
    As for Georgia’s support for the separatists, I’ll say this. How do you think when supporting separatists of different storages? As a country, you don’t give a trump card to those who go against you? it’s as clear as 2x2 = 4. you can’t fight separatists and terrorists in your own country and simultaneously support them in other countries.
    1. smile
      smile 9 October 2013 17: 05 New
      +4
      alone
      Hello. Thank you, of course, that you considered me adequate, but a significant number of our colleagues will categorically disagree with this :)))
      In many ways, of course, I am forced to agree about the lawmaking of Abkhazia, Ossetia and Adjara, but I will again mention the unapproved clause 2 of the Law "On the enactment of the Law of the USSR" On the procedure for resolving issues related to the withdrawal of a Union republic from the USSR ", which summed up mine under the legitimacy of the retiring republics of the Union of their autonomies. The same mine that the Union ran into. This gave ample opportunity for interpretation and manipulation, it is indicated there, in case of infringement of the interests of autonomous republics ... etc. ( no wording, interpret it as you want), so that I remain on my point of view.
      And who is in charge and in the UN, I think, it’s clear to everyone. So, for me, the recognition of the UN is not the ultimate truth.

      To be honest, I don’t want to discuss NPOs for various reasons. One note, we have not recognized these and are not going to do this.

      And I also disagree with twice two - our separatists were not just supported, they were created, nurtured and organized by well-known forces. And regardless of our behavior, they would continue their activities ... in fact, they continue. And here it plays absolutely no role, whom we support, and who does not.
      And in general, remember the "Block of enslaved peoples." look who organized it and when, what he did. Indeed, a significant part of the elites in the republics, especially in the Baltic states and Ukraine, came people who actively collaborated with this block ...
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    2. Essenger
      Essenger 9 October 2013 18: 16 New
      +7
      Quote: lonely
      knowing you as the most adequate interlocutor

      I absolutely agree with this statement.

      Welcome smile hi , long time no see"))))
      1. smile
        smile 9 October 2013 20: 04 New
        0
        Essenger
        And you are Hello!
        Listen, Essenger, do you want me to play in the box in surprise? :))) That's really from whom I did not expect compliments, so this is from you .... :)))
        Hmm, have not seen for a long time ... and barked for a long time too ... :))) And Chegoy something I do not really want ... :)))
    3. yur
      yur 9 October 2013 23: 59 New
      0
      Dear, you all the time refer to the Constitution of the USSR, the highest law of the country. Apparently you are well versed in jurisprudence, which means you cannot but know that the people of this country are the main, main and final judge. So, the people of the USSR in the referendum overwhelmingly supported preservation of the USSR, which means that all self-proclamations of the sovereignty of individual republics, their withdrawal from the USSR become legally void. And if someone thought it possible to give a damn about the highest law, the opinion of the peoples of the USSR, then you can perfectly understand the Abkhazians and Ossetians who wanted to stay in the USSR (at least in most of it, Russia) .Therefore, all their actions are at least more legal than the actions of the Georgian authorities since 1990. I think so.
  • vahatak
    vahatak 9 October 2013 19: 43 New
    -1
    Quote: smile
    In general, at present, the total number of civilians destroyed is 1600-1700

    Do you have any figures about the military losses of South Ossetia? I ask because it seems that you are familiar with the topic.
    1. smile
      smile 9 October 2013 21: 17 New
      +2
      vahatak
      Unfortunately, I do not have the exact numbers. Roughly our combat and non-combat irretrievable losses (including missing pilots and peacekeepers who were at posts outside the peacekeepers base) are from 95 to 69. The main losses are peacekeepers who were shot at by the howitzers and tanks for two days.
      Our Georgian military losses counted those killed around 200. It is believed that only over 400, since they managed to take out part of the bodies.
      I don’t know what the Georgians write there, but considering that I have heard Honest Mishiko’s boast that they either shot down 70 of our planes, or that 70 tanks were burned (I don’t remember), I don’t believe Georgians.
      Sorry.
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 21: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: smile
        Our Georgian military losses counted those killed around 200. It is believed that only over 400, since they managed to take out part of the bodies.

        177 military and up to 250 civilians (I think the losses of civilians are overstated)
        Quote: smile
        Either they knocked 70 of our planes, or 70 tanks were knocked out (I don’t remember), I don’t believe Georgians.
        Sorry.

        in the days of warriors they said that they shot down 20 aircraft! they found both damaged and crashed planes instead! Air defense did not work as a unit! OSA BUK and other air defense systems sometimes fired at the same aircraft and attributed damaged or destruction to their own! one plane was shot down, then about 4 oh sbivzhih arrived in the convocation)
        Quote: smile
        about whether 70 tanks are hit (

        Yes, this was not! it was just a rumor that they destroyed (in the days of warriors) the 58 army completely and blew up the Roksky tunnel

        P.S. 6 of August I remember very well) I dreamed of a warrior
      2. alone
        alone 9 October 2013 21: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: smile
        I don’t know what the Georgians write there, but considering that I have heard Honest Mishiko’s boast that they either shot down 70 of our planes, or that 70 tanks were burned (I don’t remember), I don’t believe Georgians.
        Sorry.


        Well, of course they bent 70 planes. This is almost half of everything that participated in this war. As for tanks and other BTTs, the number of irretrievable losses taken out, but destroyed and repaired and returned to service, is not counted. Not every tank, in which hit a shell and is not considered to be destroyed from an RPG. We had a t-72 in our unit, which had 11 hits, but was still in service. The numbers that were voiced are most likely an information war))
        1. smile
          smile 9 October 2013 22: 58 New
          +1
          alone
          I am familiar with the methodology for calculating losses, and I know which of them are considered irrevocable :))), and the T72 was convinced of the phenomenal survivability personally. I just do not believe the propaganda of the state, whose head gives such wild numbers. After all, of course, his propagandists are then simply obliged to justify the nonsense of their leader.
          1. alone
            alone 9 October 2013 23: 03 New
            +6
            but in this case the most difficult just justify)) if they are talking about 70 airplanes, at least 40-50 fragments of these machines should have been presented as fact. if they didn’t show, it means idle talk, and the head of state had to say this before think 100 times. I wrote that Saakashvili is a moron. There is simply no other explanation.
          2. smile
            smile 9 October 2013 23: 26 New
            +1
            alone
            I agree unconditionally.
          3. In the reeds
            In the reeds 11 October 2013 09: 21 New
            -2
            We talked about five downed planes, our media can be trusted. They announced the death of Yeltsin before he died.
  • SPBOBL
    SPBOBL 9 October 2013 11: 59 New
    +7
    you must Fedya, you must! I don’t see any reason to argue with you. Recovering by killing sleeping children? Do you have them (children)? asshole must be in the morgue! I allow myself to quote a respected participant in this forum, and in what way he will get there ... You will come and tell the mothers of the deceased children and widows of South Ossetia and the mothers and widows of peacekeepers ... you must wash your blood with blood ... and wash those who he was then pushed into the back ...
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 9 October 2013 12: 58 New
      -10
      Quote: SPBOBL
      Recovering by killing sleeping children?

      The same applies to the relationship between Chechnya and Russia. Incidentally, more than 133 people died in Chechnya ......
      Quote: SPBOBL
      tell the mothers of the deceased children and widows in South Ossetia and the mothers and widows of peacekeepers ..

      their mothers did not send them there! they were sent by the leadership of the country! from them and the answer !!!!
      just let's not talk about mothers ... this is not an argument .. in the same situation were the mothers of German soldiers .. although they were aggressors towards the USSR !!!!!!!!!!
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 October 2013 07: 40 New
      -1
      Quote: SPBOBL
      Recovering by killing sleeping children?

      and 100 thousand Chechen children were not children ???
      or did you wake them up on December 31 then killed ??
      and in January of the 90th, you shot from all types of weapons not in a sleeping city?
      peacekeepers !!!!!!!!!!
  • HAM
    HAM 9 October 2013 13: 39 New
    +5
    that about 120 people died ...
    AND YOU ARE LITTLE ???
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 9 October 2013 13: 54 New
      -6
      Quote: HAM
      that about 120 people died ...

      so first determine you !!!!!
      Quote: HAM
      AND YOU ARE LITTLE ???

      there is no justification even for one victim! this is first .. and secondly in Chechnya, while restoring the integrity of Russia, much more and more were lost! where did you look ..... they were all citizens of Russia .... double standards, my friend! that’s all. YOU can, and the rest should play to your tune .. (though you played Chevy, but they threw him as well) .. more precisely, GREAT POLICY !!!!!!
      1. 31231
        31231 9 October 2013 19: 27 New
        +4
        Let me insert a small word. Ossetians carried out attacks in Georgia as Chechen separatists in Buinaksk or Beslan? South Ossetia captured Georgian border villages, like the Basayevites in Karamakh and Chebanmakh ?!
        Yes, I personally was against the First Chechen War. And God forbid that the creatures like EBN, Grachev, Berezovsky and Basaev now together in hell bear the answer.
        But the Second Chechen, in my opinion, was justified.
        1. alone
          alone 9 October 2013 21: 40 New
          -1
          Quote: 31231
          Basayevites in Karamakh and Chebanmakh ?!


          let me clarify! in karamahs and chobanmakhs the locals Wahhabis dug in just the same. The Basayevites attacked the Novolaksky district to ease their fate. hi
          1. 31231
            31231 9 October 2013 22: 39 New
            0
            You know, it reminds me of local Jews who claim that only Sunnis are fighting against Assad in Syria.
            If you look at those events well, then there was enough rabble from all over the North Caucasus. Most of the locals were, but there were enough newcomers.
            You don’t need to tell about the close connection of these militants with Basayev ?!
            1. alone
              alone 9 October 2013 23: 47 New
              +2
              Quote: 31231
              You don’t need to tell about the close connection of these militants with Basayev ?!

              and I didn’t seem to deny this fact. I wrote that during the operation in the villages, in order to facilitate the fate of local bandits, the Basaevs and the Khattabs made their second raid. It’s just that the basis of those who fought against the troops in the shepherds and in karahma was local Wahhabis, who acted together with those who were in Chechnya
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 10 October 2013 07: 42 New
          -1
          Quote: 31231
          Ossetians carried out attacks in Georgia as Chechen separatists in Buinaksk or Beslan?

          UTB already happened after the war unleashed by Russia !!
  • Zhaman-Urus
    Zhaman-Urus 9 October 2013 18: 10 New
    +3
    Why only Russia, in my opinion, you were also seen in such an event, though with no final, but then the chip went down. A formal occasion, moreover, was the stop-shelling attack on Russian peacekeepers. After that, talking was irrelevant.
  • kotvov
    kotvov 9 October 2013 19: 13 New
    +2
    killing about 120 people ...... interesting, but if you were one of them.
  • Volkolak
    Volkolak 9 October 2013 19: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: smersh70
    killing about 120 people ...

    Only 120 people died. Up cynicism! Listen, and you think someone will prove something to you? Yes, after such words, there is no desire to communicate with you. hi
  • d_trader
    d_trader 9 October 2013 19: 36 New
    +2
    Because it is Georgia, not Russia, that on August 14, 1992 moved in tanks on the territory of Abkhazia. It was Georgia that began shelling Tskhinval on August 8, 2008, and in both cases they didn’t penniless civilians for whom they allegedly so pleased.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 9 October 2013 19: 54 New
      -4
      Quote: d_trader
      Because it is Georgia, not Russia, that on August 14, 1992 entered tanks on the territory of Abkhazia


      Russia did the same, having entered tanks in Chechnya ... didn’t this happen in November 94 ....
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 10 October 2013 09: 42 New
    +1
    Was this "territorial integrity"? Let me remind you that after the collapse of the USSR, the Ossetian people exercised their right to self-determination and held a referendum on independence, in which the vast majority voted to secede from Georgia.
    Later there was another referendum, with the same result. So Georgia, in fact, acts as an aggressor, an invader-occupier. It would be good in Georgia - Ossetians would not ask for the protection of Russia. Well, to you, for ignorance of the materiel - minus.
  • fktrcfylh.h09
    fktrcfylh.h09 12 October 2013 08: 38 New
    +1
    if Russia begins to rebuild its territory, then only the media will scream, for the whole Russian territory no one argues with this in the world, therefore Russia can ..

    in addition, do not forget that everyone is endowed with the lands of the Russian Empire - the assignee of which is Russia ..
  • vorobey
    vorobey 9 October 2013 09: 00 New
    +6
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: vadimus
    It's time to retire sdtsukoo.

    Once again I say-IN MORG !!!


    Good you Romanovich. And without such a boring.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 9 October 2013 09: 09 New
      +3
      Well, what for is such a "fun", even better boring.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 October 2013 09: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: vorobey
      Good you Romanovich.

      Well, what does “man” in jail suffer — is this not mercy wink
      Hi san hi
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 9 October 2013 09: 49 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, what’s a “man” in prison to suffer — isn’t it a mercy


        for what.

        1. carbofo
          carbofo 10 October 2013 11: 14 New
          0
          vorobey
          Russian they are, almost in the face.
          1. In the reeds
            In the reeds 11 October 2013 10: 32 New
            +1
            Well, so the horse will stop racing, it will enter a burning hut
  • klimpopov
    klimpopov 9 October 2013 09: 09 New
    0
    Lobotomy !!!!
    1. vkrav
      vkrav 9 October 2013 10: 27 New
      +5
      Quote: klimpopov
      Lobotomy !!!!

      It won’t work! For lobotomy, you need a brain ...
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 9 October 2013 08: 22 New
    +3
    Yes, he and retired will bruise. Adhesive tape, scotch tape to him, so that he could only moo.
    1. Canep
      Canep 9 October 2013 08: 30 New
      +4
      Did he earn a pension by honest labor?
      It is necessary not to the morgue, but to the Kunstkamera. At worst, to Durkee.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 9 October 2013 09: 27 New
        +9
        Quote: Canep
        At worst, to Durkee.


        did you mean for the worst and the fool?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 9 October 2013 11: 23 New
          +1
          Not a fool, but a hole. wassat And better at the thick end. laughing
  • Homo
    Homo 9 October 2013 08: 06 New
    +6
    Quote: Denis
    Misha needs to be beaten, it’s better to kick ..

    Do not offend the wretched, he is already offended by nature at birth !!!
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 9 October 2013 09: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Homo
      Do not offend the wretched, he is already offended by nature at birth !!!


      Well, then, to Durkee. Remaining uninsulated for a long time, such potentially dangerous types can also begin to bite. And the rabies virus, as you know, is not just dangerous - it is incurable. So if you do not want to go to the morgue, you must pass it to the fool. am
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 9 October 2013 16: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: Stiletto
        must be surrendered to a fool.

        For experiments.
  • maximus
    maximus 9 October 2013 08: 29 New
    +1
    In Russia, always treated with understanding to the wretched and sick)
  • os9165
    os9165 9 October 2013 08: 54 New
    +6
    The strangest thing is that such insignificance is allowed to yap. This is our flaw.
    1. 0255
      0255 9 October 2013 09: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: os9165
      The strangest thing is that such insignificance is allowed to yap. This is our flaw.

      so the Americans pay him for yapping, so he made his revolution, I don’t remember what color. In addition to Saakashvili, there are still amateurs to scold Russia
  • yan
    yan 9 October 2013 09: 28 New
    +1
    The frightened crow of the bush is afraid, although in the case of Mishiko .... he is simply afraid .... of everything
  • Revolver
    Revolver 9 October 2013 09: 34 New
    11
    Come on, well, led him out of hunger, it happens. You'd better donate him a humanitarian aid on a tie, who has an extra *, you look at the box and typed to send. He eats, maybe calms down.

    * if worn and greasy, it’s also better in terms of the nutritional value of the product.
    1. Gari
      Gari 9 October 2013 12: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: Nagan
      Come on, well, led him out of hunger, it happens.

      Novelty of Georgian national cuisine - edible tie
      11.09.2011
      The video in which Mikheil Saakashvili, the president of Georgia, nibbles his tie, flew around the world in a matter of time.

      This situation has become an occasion for jokes and fun. In the resort of Bazaleti, a summer school was held in which edible ties were awarded to the winners of the essay competition.

      They were made from plums. It was also reported that in the near future such a product will become very widely sold in Georgia.

      In the annotation to such gifts, it was said that eating your own tie encourages reform, arouses an appetite for freedom, and successfully helps with illnesses by the Soviet mentality and authoritarianism.

      Product Name - Edible, Reformed Tie.



      The initiative to produce such ties comes from Oleg Panfilov, a journalist, author of the book “Russia and Georgia: the Information War”.

      This product has received a patent, a barcode is already ready for sale in supermarkets. Who will produce these products is not specified. However, there is no doubt that this is a practically ready-made business that can be launched in any country where they saw the corresponding video.

      Cheerful people of Georgia, although what else can they do with such rulers

      http://kartinamira.info/novosti-kultury/1191-novinka-naczionalnoj-gruzinskoj-kux
      ni-sedobnyj-galstuk
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 9 October 2013 13: 01 New
        -10
        Quote: Gari
        This situation became the occasion for jokes and fun.

        . looking to whom !!!! a person who fights for the territorial integrity of the country, even if he eat at least 50 ties, but he will remain in history as a collector of his lands .... the main thing in this matter is the result ....
        1. Andrey57
          Andrey57 9 October 2013 14: 25 New
          +6
          And what is interesting, he "collected"? He made every effort to ensure that in South Ossetia and Abkhazia the very word "Georgians" does not cause anything but hatred, this is the only result of the activities of the wretched tie-eater.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 9 October 2013 15: 18 New
            -2
            Quote: Andrey57
            And what is interesting, he "collected"

            Well, let's say .... I did not collect .... but I tried smile he started quite a bit by the way from Adjara ... then he gradually began from Ossetia ... he had to subtly..do not get on the rampage ... and gradually he dragged a part of the Ossetians to his side..and that incidentally happened at the beginning .. introduce the Ossetian prime minister reincarnated on his side .. and part of the Ossetians too ....
        2. Firstvanguard
          Firstvanguard 11 October 2013 09: 52 New
          +1
          depending on whom !!!! a person who fights for the territorial integrity of the country, even if he eats at least 50 ties, but he will remain in history as a collector of his lands .... the main thing in this matter is the result ....

          NATO land collector?
      2. alone
        alone 9 October 2013 21: 44 New
        +1
        It would be interesting for what Saakashvili was awarded the Order of Honor of the Republic of Armenia in 2009.
  • AVV
    AVV 9 October 2013 10: 35 New
    +2
    Mishiko will need to prepare a retreat for the cordon, otherwise he will fall under investigation !!! And this is not necessary in the states !!!
  • Vodrak
    Vodrak 9 October 2013 10: 44 New
    +1
    How did he get everyone already !!!
    Well, so with a trailer, no luck, now everyone would live in peace ....
  • igorelo
    igorelo 9 October 2013 23: 01 New
    +1
    It’s not necessary to beat him, it’s not enough for him to dispossess him, to leave penniless, all that he has stolen will be returned to Georgia, and to Siberia to hard labor.
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 10 October 2013 00: 50 New
    +1
    the photo clearly shows that someone climbed onto Mishiko, and the bodyguards are trying to
    then cover with shields, it is not clear why
  • mirag2
    mirag2 10 October 2013 03: 17 New
    0
    and the fecal king — just answer in his style.
  • fktrcfylh.h09
    fktrcfylh.h09 12 October 2013 08: 33 New
    +1
    oh - Misha, probably all the ladies of Georgia fell in love with you after this photo!

    so courageous, so strong!

    Well, just like Vova with a pike or a hang glider ..
  • Humen
    Humen 9 October 2013 07: 51 New
    +5
    But what a psycho offended. He has his own world. That's just who has allowed such a question to the authorities ...
  • Orel
    Orel 9 October 2013 07: 58 New
    +5
    The Georgian president, once again demonstrating painful suspiciousness regarding Russia, said that Moscow deliberately chose a military pilot - Hero of Russia as a torchbearer - in order to annoy Georgia.


    Hypertrophied megalomania and paranoia simply bursting ...
  • a52333
    a52333 9 October 2013 08: 02 New
    +8
    Photos - 5 points at 4's maximum!
    who has allowed such a question to the authorities already ..
    The Soros Foundation funded the “Rose Revolution”.
    1. Firstvanguard
      Firstvanguard 11 October 2013 10: 13 New
      0
      Finally, we got to the main thing.
      Digging in the details, you need to raise your head and look up wink
      Russia is a major geopolitical player, and Georgia?
      The Chechen bacchanalia was provoked by EBN, a drunken traitor and an enemy of the people. With the filing and for the money of the main geopolitical rival - bumps. The aim of the Chechen project was to dismember and, as a result, eliminate a large geopolitical adversary. In this context, both EBN * and the Dudaevites of all stripes are just an instrument in someone's hands. The project, despite some successes, failed.
      Who needed 08.08.08? Georgia was preparing to join th NATO. Whose project is NATA and why it was created is not necessary to explain. Having not solved the problem with Abkhazia and South Ossetia, there is no way to enter. Now let's think, did Mishiko decide anything? Recall how he took his post and for whose money. Well, ordinary Georgians, like the Chechens, became hostages of the big game, which does not relieve responsibility for every single person who participated in this lawlessness with weapons in their hands.
      In the context of the foregoing, Comrades Armenians and Azerbaijan, think before pouring out here flows of bile and accusations against each other, who are you playing and what game?
  • waisson
    waisson 9 October 2013 08: 03 New
    +3
    and what can be expected from God’s offense and even take the megalomania of Napaleon in a special hospital, it’s time for him to heal
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 9 October 2013 08: 05 New
    +3
    It would be necessary on October 28 to send a direction to a mental hospital for Misha. And it’s not even an hour that he won’t get a bed. But I hope he will find a bathrobe and slippers.
  • awg75
    awg75 9 October 2013 08: 11 New
    +7
    it’s not long for the clown to run free to run - a couple of months and a mustache - his house is a prison !!!! and it is right!
  • marat1000
    marat1000 9 October 2013 08: 17 New
    +5
    I watched this video on YouTube where Saakashka ran away like a torn cat at the sight of a Russian plane. That’s what kind of president the Georgians chose for themselves, shame .... shame ... shame ... Horror
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 9 October 2013 10: 42 New
      -1
      Quote: marat1000
      where Saakashka ran away like a tattered cat at the sight of a Russian plane.


      DRUG! This was a well-played scene! The whole world, look .. we’re a little one, but a big buddy is coming to us! Help .... hi she was perfectly played. and in a couple of days 5 Presidents arrived in Tbilisi hi ... new technologies of warfare ....
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 9 October 2013 11: 40 New
        +3
        The same puppets like him!
      2. SPBOBL
        SPBOBL 9 October 2013 20: 36 New
        0
        you touch naivety ...
    2. alone
      alone 9 October 2013 10: 50 New
      +2
      think if he stood and looked at the plane, he would have shot him down? wassat
      1. alone
        alone 9 October 2013 11: 46 New
        0
        minus judge someone thinks he could bring down wassat
    3. vahatak
      vahatak 9 October 2013 20: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: marat1000
      I watched this video on YouTube where Saakashka

      Have you ever been under aerial bombardment? Have you ever heard the sound of an enemy (not in an air show, where everyone has their own and without weapons) airplane?
      1. alone
        alone 9 October 2013 21: 46 New
        +2
        I would look at Marat, how would he act during the bombing from the air))
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 9 October 2013 08: 18 New
    +1
    One only "use the infrastructure of Abkhazia without our permissions ”what it costs!

    I mean, without his permission? The second Obama is EXCLUSIVE.
  • Ols76
    Ols76 9 October 2013 08: 19 New
    +3
    "He uses the Winter Olympics to popularize the ideas of Abkhazia and the Tskhinvali region. I urge everyone to make their decision. I do not put pressure on the Olympic Committee - it is up to them. But they are Georgians, besides the fact that they represent the Olympic Committee, and they should have correct reaction. "


    Saakashvili has pronounced paranoia.
  • ReifA
    ReifA 9 October 2013 08: 25 New
    +3
    Misha is the other side of democracy, he needs to be nominated for the worst president in history, unless of course they allow the patient to participate in the asylum.
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 9 October 2013 10: 36 New
      0
      Supplement the Shnobel Prize with a new nomination?
  • horoh
    horoh 9 October 2013 08: 26 New
    +6
    He is in Africa. The finished schizophrenic is not curable, therefore it is correct in SIDS !!!!
  • pahom54
    pahom54 9 October 2013 08: 27 New
    +3
    Oboros..a..l one Olympics, in a hurry to do the same with another ... After all, a wholly-owned, obvious candidate for "fools" ... Ehany babai, "HE (Putin) will use the Olympics to trample Georgia in the mud "... !!! You do it yourself! By and large, if Misha hadn’t croaked hastily in the swamp, Putin would have long forgotten about this your Georgia ...
    In short, now he will be re-elected, he will lose his immunity, and it’s time to foolishly, it’s time to ...
  • SolomonSS
    SolomonSS 9 October 2013 08: 28 New
    +1
    And what else to expect from a person who chews ties)))
  • Aubert
    Aubert 9 October 2013 08: 30 New
    +3
    Looks at the UN cupboard ties overdue, and that's furious.
  • Proud.
    Proud. 9 October 2013 08: 31 New
    +2
    Find a business, Mikhail Nikolozovich.
    Or shoot yourself, Mikhail Aloizovich.
    1. Firstvanguard
      Firstvanguard 11 October 2013 10: 18 New
      0
      Leave behind the poor fellow already, his uncles promised him a candy from across the ocean, and they slipped him in a big hemorrhoid, he already had to seize with a tie. There is no sense kicking the doll, the puppeteer has already prepared another.
  • Basileus
    Basileus 9 October 2013 08: 32 New
    0
    The article is generally good, but this:
    It is necessary to be able to go down to the level at which officials of military alliances give out “recommendations” to the leaders of a country.

    already too much. Any international organization, be it military, economic, or some other, has its own rules and requirements for candidates. Naturally, in order to enter it, one must meet these requirements. So I do not understand the author’s sarcasm on this issue.
  • kmike
    kmike 9 October 2013 08: 35 New
    +7
    Mishiko, you would calmly retire. You're already a downed pilot!
  • morpogr
    morpogr 9 October 2013 08: 45 New
    +3
    Wait before he resigns, he will appoint himself Messenger of the Lord on earth with an office in the psychiatric ward.
  • Dyukha Siberian
    Dyukha Siberian 9 October 2013 08: 46 New
    +2
    here, probably comments on the statement of Mr. Saakashvili are generally unnecessary! what to take from a sick person, except for analyzes? and those will be bad!
  • 311ove
    311ove 9 October 2013 08: 49 New
    +2
    Yes, just already ..... LET'S GOODBYE !!!!! am
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 9 October 2013 08: 50 New
    +3
    Give a tie to the disease, he will calm down.

    A tie, it is advisable to give from Dolce and Gabana.
  • os9165
    os9165 9 October 2013 08: 53 New
    +3
    The strangest thing is that such insignificance is allowed to yap. This is our flaw.
  • mivmim
    mivmim 9 October 2013 08: 56 New
    0
    Gnawing, another such clown president, and enemies are no longer needed.
  • vorobey
    vorobey 9 October 2013 09: 03 New
    +3
    Any corpse of an animal if it is not removed on time stinks and stinks for a very long time. Political corpses are also affected. Well, the kid managed to show off in power, not all sponsorships worked out and squeals like a pig on a rope. one can’t get the horseradish off the rope and either they’ll tear it down or let it go to the meat.
  • Koronik
    Koronik 9 October 2013 09: 03 New
    +3
    Gentlemen, do not forget that this is the lawfully elected president of your country. After all, the people of Georgia chose him, perhaps on the recommendation of the United States, so let him evaluate his work. And the fact that Saakashvili was the executor of the order, and the courage he did not “occupy,” can be seen from the photographs, it was immediately clear. And his memory in Georgia will be the same as in Russia to Yeltsin.
    1. vkrav
      vkrav 9 October 2013 10: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Koronik
      he is the lawfully elected president of his country.

      That's the trouble ... They elect the President, but it turns out - what happens ...
  • ayuric
    ayuric 9 October 2013 09: 08 New
    0
    Xm. interestingly. we all see and understand that m. is convulsing and dusting left and right, but that the people of Georgia do not see this? would have blinked at him and appointed a new president ahead of schedule.
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 9 October 2013 09: 10 New
    -7
    Saakashvili, unlike tandem lovers, did not try to extend his power by any means; Ivanishvili does not interfere; he did not disperse it by giving power to the parliament, although he had all the rights to it. He did everything so that in Georgia there was no possibility of establishing tyranny, so that the people would rule the country. Defeating corruption in a country like Georgia is the greatest feat, therefore, our government hates it, because ordinary people see that it is possible, it is real, it is enough to disperse an infinite number of regulatory bodies. "It is in Georgia that it is easiest to obtain a property right (2 days and 1 procedure), the country takes third place in terms of ease of obtaining building permits (9 procedures, 74 days), and seventh in terms of ease of registering a business (2 days and 2 procedures)!" A country with no resources other than land and people, although it does not live richly, is developing. As the opposite of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, where there is an outspoken thief in power, these “countries” cannot survive a day without help from Russia. As a striking example of South Ossetia, since 2008. this "country" receives annually 7 billion rubles! Most of them are stolen, "it is known, for example, that out of the 550 million rubles allocated to South Ossetia immediately after the 2008 conflict, only 50 million were used for their intended purpose." The same is in Abkhazia.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 9 October 2013 10: 45 New
      -5
      Quote: Nayhas
      As the opposite of South Ossetia and Abkhazia,


      where they also kill the Russian resident !! it's just a shame for the top of these dwarf "states" .... but in Georgia you can freely leave the car and leave ... not even touched .....
      Quote: Nayhas
      A country with no resources other than land and people, although it does not live richly, is developing.

      good thanks for the comment !!!!!!
      1. IGS
        IGS 9 October 2013 17: 37 New
        +1
        .but in Georgia you can freely leave the car and leave ... not even touched .....

        Do you think that corrupt officials steal cars? Do not bring everything together. And Abkhazia and Ossetia are our problem, we’ll figure it out ourselves, no one is calling for help, and we don’t care about anyone’s opinion on this issue. Someone thinks differently is their problem. Our much bigger problem is Georgia, as the US bridgehead for aggression against Russia, both direct and indirect. And we needed to take an example from the USA, whom Georgia loves and worship so much, to act like the Americans with Grenada (the American invasion (operation "Urgent Fury") of Grenada took place in 1983. The island was occupied, Cuban citizens who rendered armed resistance, disarmed and deported to Cuba) and reach Tbilisi ... liberals, damn it ...
    2. IGS
      IGS 9 October 2013 11: 18 New
      +2
      I agree with many. And about Ossetia ... bitterly ... but true. Corruption was shortened, otherwise it was impossible to get power; it was the dominance of corruption that brought the country to the “rose revolution”. I do not agree with this:
      . Defeating corruption in a country like Georgia is the greatest feat, therefore, our government hates it, because ordinary people see that it is possible, it is real, it is enough to disperse an infinite number of regulatory bodies.

      This was not a feat, he simply took power completely, small territories and underdeveloped industry allowed this to be done quickly, and it was necessary quickly to maintain power. So he didn’t cut it out of good intentions .. Regarding how he did it ... well, obviously not by the fact that he dispersed something, this is a consequence. And as for "hating" someone, someone .. Do not slide into loud slogans. I doubt that they directly hated him, and if they have negative feelings for him, it is clearly not because he, unlike us, was able to advance in this area. I think that you have been neglected in vain, if we feel negative for someone, you can’t transfer this negative to everything that this person came into contact with. The positive must be adopted even from enemies. And, probably, many, like me, are disappointed with what is happening with Abazia and Ossetia now ... but this is true, albeit bitter.
    3. smile
      smile 9 October 2013 16: 14 New
      +5
      Nayhas
      Good Mishiko transplanted the entire pro-Russian opposition, with him an inexplicable plague attacked politicians who could pose a threat to him. He would have resisted Bidzina with all his might, no strength, he absolutely screwed up in front of the whole world and his people, and his masters simply surrendered him. The fact that he crushed the entire economy of Georgia for himself, that the fight against corruption was not so successful and was conducted mainly with competitors, is shouted by the Georgians themselves, spitting from the mere mention of the Non-Corrupt Mishiko.
      So, a comparison with Pu is not in favor of the Honest Mishiko you respect.
      And to compare Georgia, which, due to its anti-Russian course, has received significant foreign aid, and the republics that are under blockade with the infrastructure completely destroyed by the war and do not have the opportunity to enter the international arena, is all ... bust.
      Or do you hate your country so much that you are ready to sing along to anyone. Who will spit in Russia? Ready to replicate any lies?
      Remember. one of the dissidents. collapsing the USSR once declared- We supposedly aimed at communism, but ended up in Russia .... you are doing the same thing, but I doubt it. what conscience will be enough for you to make such a confession, where does the conscience come from? They shed it ... much earlier than polymers. Congratulations!
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 9 October 2013 17: 12 New
        -4
        Quote: smile
        where did the all-companions come from? They shed it ... much earlier than polymers. Congratulations!


        )) In short, the general sense is that who is not with us .. that is against us fellow it is still clear our opponents from the Caucasus .. where you climb .... against their own ....... laughing but what about freedom of speech .. opinions ..... it's not so simple in this matter ... is it .. Smile)))))
        1. smile
          smile 9 October 2013 19: 47 New
          +3
          smersh70
          Interesting. why did you decide. What am I against mine? Who are mine for me? Chechens? Poles? Ukrainians? I was brought up as a Russian person, by the way, in Lithuania all non-Lithuanians were Russian, including Caucasians and Jews and Chukchi ... :))) The attitude of the Lithuanians was the same.
          You know, some of my own I saw only on top of the trunk :))) You still call me a traitor :)))
          If one of my colleagues hears that someone would dare to call me non-Russian, they’ll tear me to hell, I won’t even have time to intervene ... :))) so that in vain you are trying to jerk it offends me ..: )))
          And about freedom of speech ... well, Duc, where did it go? We have for wrong statements, as in Europe and the Baltic States do not put. All pro-companions sing their song, surprisingly similar in tone to the songs of our liberals, their foreign masters, our few Natsiks and their many foreign colleagues, we sing another song ... why not freedom of conscience? Isn't it, Vurgun? And you, by the way, are climbing in, protecting our all-enforcers-onizh allies of our Natsik ... or do you like the fascists?
          By the way, my name is Vladimir ...
      2. Nayhas
        Nayhas 9 October 2013 17: 37 New
        0
        Quote: smile
        Good Mishiko transplanted the entire pro-Russian opposition, with him an inexplicable plague attacked politicians who could pose a threat to him. He would have resisted Bidzina with all his might, no strength, he absolutely screwed up in front of the whole world and his people, and his masters simply surrendered him. The fact that he crushed the entire economy of Georgia for himself, that the fight against corruption was not so successful and was conducted mainly with competitors, is shouted by the Georgians themselves, spitting from the mere mention of the Non-Corrupt Mishiko.

        Answer a simple question, if Saakashvili usurped power by crushing the economy, then why the hell did nothing to maintain power? Why did he give power to parliament? If you believe your words, it didn’t cost anything to draw for yourself at the election how pleasing the result was, you could have prevented the opposition from going to the polls, as an example, the results of Aliyev’s elections hit the net the day before the polls, the result was already indicated there. And for example, Yeltsin, in an attempt by the parliament to seize power, stupidly shot him from tanks.
        Crap about the "owners" from overseas can not offer, leave it to idiots.
        1. IGS
          IGS 9 October 2013 19: 20 New
          +1
          Losing the war 080808 put an end to himself, as in politics. If Russia had not intervened, and the operation had been successful, he would have usurped power in the wake of universal support. The loser leaves. You understand that very well. And if so, why are you trying to replace the reasons? Do you want to say that Saakashvili is a champion of democracy and freedom, which the world has not seen? But what about the dispersal of demonstrations. I do not want to think that write for money. hi
        2. smile
          smile 9 October 2013 19: 58 New
          +3
          Nayhas
          For the sake of preserving his power, a significant part of the property of others passed into the hands of him and his like-minded people, for the sake of this, the opposition was massively transferred to prisons, mainly one. which focused on friendship with Russia, high-ranking Georgian politicians died. He took the initiative to transfer power to parliament when he realized that he was so screwed up that the presidency wasn’t shining, he wanted to keep the power and made this mistake - the mistake is that despite the unprecedented purges of the opposition and powerful pressure, including forceful brought the Georgians to a pen, and most importantly, everything would have been fine with him, but he simply ceased to be necessary for his masters, he miscalculated all the tasks entrusted to him, and he was simply replaced, denying him support and money, they put him on Bizina - not in vain Ivanishvili first rolled into the United States. It’s strange that this is a mystery for you ... well, you like Honest Mishik - admire you, it’s bothering you, you better tell the Georgians about it, you will learn a lot about yourself :))) ... just don’t have to kick Russia at the same time, well?
        3. Firstvanguard
          Firstvanguard 11 October 2013 10: 22 New
          0
          Did Mishiko have power?
          The Soros Foundation funded the “Rose Revolution”.
  • major071
    major071 9 October 2013 09: 10 New
    +9
    Instead of sending sensible policies to Georgia, its president is studying the lists of participants in the Russian Olympic torch relay and is abundant reflects on this occasion...

    Interesting, right-handed or left-handed? wassat
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 9 October 2013 09: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: major071
      Instead of sending sensible policies to Georgia, its president is studying the lists of participants in the Russian Olympic torch relay and is abundant reflects on this occasion...

      Interesting, right-handed or left-handed? wassat


      Broom
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 9 October 2013 09: 13 New
    +1
    it will be a pity when a joke man leaves the stage. He gets bored on the air
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 9 October 2013 09: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: andrei332809
      it will be a pity when a joke man leaves the stage. He gets bored on the air


      A holy place is never empty. there is sure to be a new one in Tunisia, Epipet, or where closer.
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 9 October 2013 09: 19 New
        +6
        Quote: vorobey
        A holy place is never empty. there will be a new

        Well, in principle, we still have the Baltic states and the Psheks
  • The gentleman
    The gentleman 9 October 2013 09: 18 New
    +2
    at one time, Mr. (Mr., sir) Gorbachev also sold his country ... unfortunately it did not bring anything good. Of course, we all look to the West as progress, but it always remains in the soul that your homeland is here. Misha apparently completely forgot that he was the son of a city, although he took education in the West and his wife was of a completely different nationality ... they will judge him anyway, the people will not forgive him.
  • GDP
    GDP 9 October 2013 09: 31 New
    +2
    I consider the short-sighted policy that moment that the pilot participating in the war with Georgia was entrusted with carrying the Olympic torch. He certainly deserves this, but we need to think about the future, we need to look for moments for rapprochement, not with the Georgian government, but with the Georgian people. It is necessary to look for common ground, to create a larger number of factors contributing to the growth of popularity of pro-Russian politicians in Georgia. Show that we are not enemies of the Georgian people ...
    We have a centuries-old common history, no need to cross it out. Otherwise, we will create arguments in support of such enemies of Russia as Saakashvile, etc. ...
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 9 October 2013 09: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: GDP
      We have a centuries-old common history, no need to cross it out. Otherwise, we will create arguments in support of such enemies of Russia as Saakashvile, etc. ...


      I agree with you, but sincerely they are friends or love, as a rule, not for something, but contrary to something. Politicians are not a people, and it is not yet known who would be more like a gray mass of people or elected servants. The people have always been wiser and fairer than their leaders.

      and the 5-day war is also part of the history of the two peoples, like the first Georgian-Abkhazian one, and it also does not need to be crossed out and remembered for edification.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 9 October 2013 09: 34 New
    +2
    I can’t understand, because countries with territorial problems and disputes do not accept NATO and the European Union, so where did Georgia get together? We must either abandon Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and then go ahead, or forget about NATO and the European Union and live near by ourselves By the Evil Empire "hoping that the" Empire of Good "will come to their aid if something happens.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 9 October 2013 09: 42 New
    +3
    Soon Mishiko will run across the ocean (if they don’t get caught), will write memoirs (barking sometimes when the hosts allow) and everything will fall into place as if our nations would not pit. Everything will be fine! Time balabolov and mongrel passes ..
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 9 October 2013 09: 49 New
    0
    Quote: "It is necessary to be able to go down to the level at which officials of military alliances give out “recommendations” to the leaders of a country."
    Saakashvili is ready for any humiliation, such as listen to "recommendations on" democratization "of Georgian society from NATO officials, it was hoped that NATO would pay attention to the fact that Mishiko became a real vassal of this aggressive bloc. But the anti-Russian “repertoire” of the Georgian leader does not surprise anyone. Psychiatric delights bordering on paranoia should be studied (and treated) by specialists.
  • 0255
    0255 9 October 2013 09: 56 New
    +2
    I cannot understand, because countries with territorial problems and disputes do not accept NATO and the European Union, so where did Georgia gather?

    so for this he is not taken either to NATO or to the EU. But they pay for "hitting" Russia, no matter what time - even the tsarist, at least the Soviet, at least our time. In order to harass the enemies of the United States and get loot for it, territorial integrity is not needed. You can kill Ossetians and Abkhazians - the US Congress will throw some more money for an excuse for an information war, because according to their version, in August 2008, Russia attacked poor Georgia. I won’t be surprised if Obama gives Saakashvili a political asylum, like any other Belenko, etc., and he will continue his talk from across the ocean.
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 9 October 2013 10: 02 New
    +1
    When does this declassified national degenerate Georgian sink into oblivion? For that monstrous crime, the Russians should have eliminated it. The destruction of tyrants, despots and other similar scum is a worthy cause.
  • Brummbar
    Brummbar 9 October 2013 10: 03 New
    0
    Here is the patient, when will they begin to lick him? He is very bad. wassat
  • foreman SA
    foreman SA 9 October 2013 10: 10 New
    +1
    Yes, there "really" corruption is defeated. There traffic cops on the roads do not take money, they are afraid ...... They take phone recharge cards, they directly ask directly: "Is there a card?" So to say, I replenished the account and left ...))))
    1. Glory333
      Glory333 9 October 2013 10: 34 New
      +4
      The propaganda works, we all heard the ears that corruption was defeated in Georgia, including in the police, and I confess I believed - before the video about the atrocious torture of those arrested with the help of brooms appeared, it’s interesting that not one of the many policemen filmed on the video tried to prevent lawlessness, all 100% participated.
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 13: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: Glory333
        The propaganda works, we all heard the ears that corruption was defeated in Georgia, including in the police, and I confess I believed - before the video about the atrocious torture of those arrested with the help of brooms appeared, it’s interesting that not one of the many policemen filmed on the video tried to prevent lawlessness, all 100% participated.

        and what does the issue of corruption have to do with corruption? the co-group is truly defeated, but you cannot completely destroy corruption! as for the atrocities of those creatures, they are in prison! but they would put hidden cameras in Russian or other post-Soviet republics in prisons
        1. vahatak
          vahatak 9 October 2013 20: 15 New
          0
          Quote: GEOKING95
          but they would put hidden cameras in Russian or other post-Soviet republics in prisons

          YOU WHAT ?????????? How is it possible? This is a violation of Human Rights, interference with privacy. You have no right. But Saakashvili even violated the law here)))
      2. alone
        alone 9 October 2013 17: 18 New
        0
        Quote: Glory333
        Propaganda works, all our ears buzzed that corruption was defeated in Georgia, including in the police, and I confess I believed


        I suggest to everyone who does not believe this when visiting Georgia to offer a bribe to the police or to border guards and customs officers))) the only way to check corruption is defeated there or is it all idle talk
        1. 31231
          31231 9 October 2013 21: 06 New
          0
          Dear, they don’t give a bribe like that. What you offer is a bribe. A bribe is given to well-known people with payment of some kind of services and help. An analogue of lobbying in the West.
          1. alone
            alone 9 October 2013 21: 52 New
            +1
            it is so in the West! and in the expanses of the former USSR they take bribes brazenly and in place, moreover, it is done as if you must do it. And if you refuse, you can stay there for hours, if not for days.
  • Alexey
    Alexey 9 October 2013 10: 24 New
    +2
    Nikolozych is a drug addict. Traitor surviving from the mind.
  • Janis SU
    Janis SU 9 October 2013 10: 27 New
    +4
    Quote: Sergeant Major SA
    Yes, there "really" corruption is defeated. There traffic cops on the roads do not take money, they are afraid ...... They take phone recharge cards, they directly ask directly: "Is there a card?" So to say, I replenished the account and left ...))))

    -------------------------
    I have good friends recently returned from Georgia. The impression is depressing - poverty, arrogance and the feeling that they live almost in the Stone Age. Yes, they have one and only normal track. They cook well. They have an extremely strange national manner of appeasing the guest with all kinds of beautiful phrases, which is more suitable for passionate love harassment, but they also allow themselves to cover with a mat in the half and the negative, from their point of view, opponent to indicate that they had slept with his mother. Moreover, it does not matter that mom is over eighty and the male and 15 are not. A lot of non-working residents. Nowhere have so many old Soviet cars been seen. True, they didn’t drink so much wine anywhere. Regarding the police - everyone there speaks with enviable pathos, saying that if you get there, you are guaranteed to be a wealthy person. It is like in our country, in the Baltic States, to be on the board of directors of a monopoly telecommunications company - there is a lot of money, there is absolutely no education for this, absolutely nothing needs to be done, while the status in society is solid and infallible. So the impression was awful ...
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 9 October 2013 11: 17 New
      -2
      Quote: Janis SU
      The impression is depressing - poverty, arrogance and the feeling that they live almost in the Stone Age.

      they probably had vision problems laughing the road to the village to my grandmother didn’t have asphalt even in Soviet times ... and now they built a concrete road to some kind of withered village))). And note this ... everywhere .... there are a lot of good roads .... come to the next time yourself .. it’s better to see once than to hear a hundred times good
      1. Janis SU
        Janis SU 9 October 2013 13: 08 New
        +7
        We have many who hate Saakashvili and his regime. Their "Borjomi" is often bypassed. And they are afraid of their attitude to the "whites" (despite the fact that the Georgians themselves consider themselves the most ancient European Aryans, whom the gods themselves once served). In addition, we, in Latvia, have many refugees from Georgia who do not give the impression of well-being in their homeland. By the way, they by definition do not want to work (maybe they do not know how at the genetic level?) And are engaged in all sorts of criminal affairs. So your proposal does not seem tempting. stop yes
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 9 October 2013 14: 02 New
          -1
          Quote: Janis SU
          We have many who hate Saakashvili and his regime.

          and the President, by the way, YOUR came under bombing in Tbilisi and flew through our Ganja)))))
          1. Janis SU
            Janis SU 10 October 2013 00: 26 New
            0
            The President is our complete insignificance, the price of which is a penny on a market day. Do you respect weak-willed puppets? Do you really think that our countries have an independent point of view? Do you think all insignificance matters? Who are you and what are you after? I am extremely surprised by your status on this form. Sorry, but I put you in ignore. I hate lying and hypocrisy.
      2. Janis SU
        Janis SU 9 October 2013 13: 23 New
        +5
        Just reviewed photos of a friend where he travels in Georgia. But you, dear, were deceiving. There are really no roads, and their cars are depressingly old. Why should they, given their poverty, build a concrete road into some hypothetically decayed village of your grandmother? Maybe you had in mind the fact that local residents dismantled the former Soviet airfield and used stoves for the needs of the village? I’m sorry, but you seem to be engaged in myth-making on the topic set by the article.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 9 October 2013 14: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: Janis SU
          Why should they, given their poverty, build a concrete road into some hypothetically decayed village of your grandmother?

          if you don’t believe it. I invite you. Bolnisi district .. Damirlo village !!!! for your information the nearby airfield is in Marneuli. and it works fine))) ..
          Quote: Janis SU
          and their cars are depressingly old.

          Yes, they brought half of Germany there)) their car market is 17 hectares. even ask the Kazakhs .. they are coming here to buy cars .... not to mention the Armenians and Azerbaijanis!
          Quote: Janis SU
          used plates for the needs of the village

          laughing here’s an eccentric)))) new concrete .... and even))) the Soviet plates are not like that)) he himself served in the Air Defense Forces)))
          Quote: Janis SU
          myth-making.

          I just want to sometimes open my eyes to some unfortunate patriots and Uryalkin .. who write only about - all stupid. we are smart wassat
          1. Walking
            Walking 9 October 2013 21: 01 New
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            [quote = smersh70] [
            yes they brought half of Germany there)) their car market is 17 hectares. even ask the Kazakhs .. they’re coming here to buy cars .... not to mention the Armenians and Azerbaijanis! [/ quote]
            [/ Quote]

            Do you confuse something, Kazakhs do not go to Georgia for cars? It’s easier for us to travel to Lithuania or the Emirates
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 9 October 2013 21: 20 New
              0
              Quote: Hiking
              You are confusing something, Kazakhs do not go to Georgia for cars


              what are you) in connection with the entry of Kazakhstan into the TS..kazakhs bought all the cars that were there because of customs clearance .. especially with large cubes .. the cargo rejoiced. welded for 5 years ahead ... plus our customs officers with traffic cops also welded ... convoys of cars drove out of Rustavi .. then Azerbaijan. then Dagestan went home from there ... if you do not believe me, look at the documents on the Mercia ... issues-1999-2001.with cubes, 2.4. 3.2 ..
              the truth is now they are barely visible ...
              1. alone
                alone 9 October 2013 21: 24 New
                +2
                Vurgun! Why in Dagestan? Kazakhs bought their cars in Georgia ferry Baku-Aktau ferries across the sea. The best way
              2. Zymran
                Zymran 10 October 2013 15: 12 New
                +2
                It was like that. Moreover, acquaintances told how Azerbaijani and Dagestan garbage were robbed of them.
                You personally do not mind, our cops are no better.

                Now they do not go in connection with the protective duties of the vehicle, you are right.
          2. Janis SU
            Janis SU 10 October 2013 01: 00 New
            -1
            I am not a grief patriot from Russia and you are not my friend. Rather, the enemy. I consider and always considered you and yours like that. It’s just strange - why are you and such as you hanging around in this forum? It is enough that you, like Saakashvili, are justifying. But anger and intolerance penetrates from you to those values ​​that are like air for all of us.
    2. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 13: 51 New
      -2
      Quote: Janis SU
      I have good friends recently returned from Georgia. The impression is depressing - poverty, arrogance and the feeling that they live almost in the Stone Age. Yes, they have one and only normal track. They cook well. They have an extremely strange national manner of appeasing the guest with all kinds of beautiful phrases, which is more suitable for passionate love harassment, but they also allow themselves to cover with a mat in the half and the negative, from their point of view, opponent to indicate that they had slept with his mother. Moreover, it does not matter that mom is over eighty and the male and 15 are not. A lot of non-working residents. Nowhere have so many old Soviet cars been seen. True, they didn’t drink so much wine anywhere. Regarding the police - everyone there speaks with enviable pathos, saying that if you get there, you are guaranteed to be a wealthy person. It is like in our country, in the Baltic States, to be on the board of directors of a monopoly telecommunications company - there is a lot of money, there is absolutely no education for this, absolutely nothing needs to be done, while the status in society is solid and infallible. So the impression was awful ...

      Something I don’t think he was in Georgia.
      1. Janis SU
        Janis SU 10 October 2013 01: 26 New
        0
        And you, Dear, were these savages? I doubt it very much, otherwise you would spit and have had a persistent hostility to the entire Caucasus. Although believe me - Caucasians are often worthy of respect.
  • denson06
    denson06 9 October 2013 10: 34 New
    0
    Quote: 0255
    I won’t be surprised if Obama gives Saakashvili political asylum, like Belenko, etc., and he will continue his chatter from across the ocean.

    It is because of the Ocean ... and at the same time, he will scream furiously that he is a patriot of the country, that he empathizes with the hard life of his people in his native country ... but circumstances force him to live in a foreign land ... in an expensive guarded villa in Miami .. but it’s very hard for him ..
  • Black
    Black 9 October 2013 12: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: smersh70
    By the way. Uncle Shimpor did not find the answer to one question ..


    1. The Georgians entered Tskhinval as fascists, without announcement and with the Grad.
    2. Our wait-to show the world who is the true aggressor.
    3. Russian troops crossed the Georgian border and went to Gori. What would any normal ones, who feel that Truth and Justice be behind them ?? - correctly - would take up arms and defend the Fatherland. The Georgian army simply greased the slide, shamefully throwing equipment, and the civilian population not only did not think about counteraction, but (many in Tbilisi) heard on the OBS that the Russian army crossed the cross pass, packed their bags and rushed out of the city.

    You also tried, grabbed ....

    I don’t understand something, but how do you see the problem of solution? Will the Armenians come to you, Ossetians and Abkhazians in Tbilisi, and on a silver platter will they bring a tearful request to take back? I doubt it. Decide who's stopping you! You can’t, don’t whine.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 9 October 2013 14: 00 New
      -1
      Quote: Chen
      I don’t understand something, but how do you see the problem of solution? AND

      as Putin put things in order in his country ... so we should put things in order in our country. so the Georgians! that’s the thing !!!!!!! .. I repeat again - you can, and we can’t chtol)) )))
      Quote: Chen
      Ossetians and Abkhazians in Tbilisi,

      so the Chechens are still fighting .. and many do not agree .. and the demand is stricter with them .. all over the world separatism is being cut off at the root ... and it is interesting for YOU, when you yourself need to ... stop it .. and where are the interests Russia against the USA .. then the separatists are on the red carpet .. that's the same about SYRIA ... just say that Assad destroys the separatists .. he’s young ... but how are we .. then no. We can’t))))) ) By the way, the Armenians and Ossetians have already self-determined once .... how much can be determined ... nothing .. soon they will also demand independence from you))) until you feel pain on your skin ... it won't hurt ...
      1. dmb
        dmb 9 October 2013 14: 59 New
        +5
        I wondered for a long time whether it would be worth getting involved in your discussions with several opponents, but still decided. Double standards certainly exist, and in all the former republics without exception. That Azerbaijan has already solved the Lezgi problem? This time. The second one. You can explain how your rights were personally violated, or the rights of Chechens in the Soviet Union in the 70, 80 years. By the way, in my opinion, the mention of Chechnya is not in its favor. I want to remind you that it was they who began to take away the property and kill civilians in the 1991 year. And no one forced them to do this. And this applies to all non-Chechens, and not just Russians. Let me remind you that the Vainakh brothers, the Ingush, were the first to be kicked out of all leadership positions in Grozny. So then they reaped what they sowed. Further. Can you explain why the opinion of the majority of the country's citizens about its preservation was ignored, and what other than the war did you receive from its collapse? However, like the vast majority of normal people.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 9 October 2013 15: 20 New
          0
          Quote: dmb
          That Azerbaijan has already solved the Lezgi problem?

          and take off there are no problems)) if you would recall the Armenians, then yes, I agree))))) again, there are double standards .. well, that's another story))))
          and about the referendum, it’s better you ask Gorbachev many Russian leaders who led the country .. and the Slavs gathered in Pushcha, and not the national people .. by the way, in a referendum, Azerbaijan voted to preserve the USSR
          1. dmb
            dmb 9 October 2013 21: 08 New
            0
            Ay dissemble dear. It is not as acute as in 90, but not removed. And I am not at all on their side. And the position of Azerbaijan is also well known to me, we just all voted for preservation, and the Elchibeys, Gorbachevs, Yeltsins and Ter-Petrosyans won.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 9 October 2013 21: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: dmb
              It’s not as acute as in the 90s, but not removed

              Quote: dmb
              It’s not as acute as in the 90s, but not removed


              because the former KGB fighter, the calm Heydar Aliyev, was struggling with this ... and he taught a little bit about GDP as well ... how to deal with it .... and Sadval is now sitting quietly ... GDP in Baku ... a couple of days ago, under the guarantee of the Embassy of Russia, a part will be released under house arrest (they were Russian citizens) ...

              and separatism has always existed among small nations ... the truth must be strangled in the bud and kept under the hood of the special services .. that's all ........
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 10 October 2013 08: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: dmb
          I wondered for a long time whether it was worth getting involved in your discussions with several opponents, but still decided. Double standards certainly exist, and in all the former republics without exception.

          I also walked by and didn’t want to ..
          Quote: dmb
          By the way, in my opinion, the mention of Chechnya is not in its favor.

          I would not say that !!
          Who armed them, who gave them confidence ??
          Who cherished them ??
          Who made money with them?
          and references to Chechnya in terms of how Russia conducted operations not in favor of Russia!
          Dmitry, for a dozen, hundreds of bandits, is it so easy to iron thousands of women and children is this normal?
          Quote: dmb
          Has Azerbaijan Solved the Lezgi Problem?

          I have not seen such a problem!
          it was mainly raised by the Lezghins living in Russia and never living in Azerbaijan!
          and I know this question very well!
          1. dmb
            dmb 10 October 2013 09: 30 New
            +1
            Alibek, even a slight divergence in the views of our relations will not spoil. Everyone has and will have problems. I haven’t mentioned it yet, about the existing problems with Iran. You will not deny them. In 2001 in Lankaran, it was very acutely felt. About ironed women and children. Do not repeat the ravings of Udugov, Politkovskaya and the NTV program. Even the numerous Lords of Judd and the European Commission, no matter how hard they tried, they were able to prove the purposeful destruction of the civilian population, although to deny the death of civilians in the war is simply stupid. I want to remind you the tactics regularly used by bandits from 1991 of the year. Women and children marched forward, not at gunpoint, but quite deliberately, realizing that the Soviet and then Russian troops would not shoot at them. And the bandits followed them. Sorry, but even the Germans, if they were hiding behind captured and alien civilians, and not their own. Everything else that you said regarding weapons and the transfer of confidence is absolutely fair.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 12 October 2013 15: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: dmb
              . Sorry, but even the Germans, if they were hiding behind captured and alien civilians, and not their own. .

              Dear Dmitry!
              I'm talking a little about something else!
              Armed the bandits, gave them confidence, and then went to the total destruction of the population !!
              Is it possible that in Grozny and in other cities all the dead women and children were used as bandits ??
              You see, the attitude towards the people was not like YOURSELF, I meant it!
              Quote: dmb
              Alibek, even a slight divergence in the views of our relations will not spoil.

              I deeply respected and respect you!
    2. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 14: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Chen
      1. The Georgians entered Tskhinval as fascists, without announcement and with the Grad.

      as not announced))
      Quote: Chen
      Ours waited - to show the whole world - who is the true aggressor.

      wait? :))
      Quote: Chen
      . Russian troops crossed the Georgian border and went to Gori.

      Until August 24 2008, Russia recognized the integrity of Georgia so that))
      Quote: Chen
      That's right - they would take up arms and defend the Fatherland. Georgian army just lubricated the slide

      The Georgian army was ordered to strengthen at Tbilisi! did so! all were thrown around Tbilisi! the command forgot that in the rest of Georgia it is also necessary to protect and not only the capital!

      Quote: Chen
      Decide who is bothering you!

      Are you serious?
      1. smile
        smile 9 October 2013 16: 26 New
        +5
        Geokingxnumx
        Destruction of peacekeepers is a real Belly incident. Should we put up with this? Presumptuous war criminals must be taught. We taught.
        About the total wildest rapid flight of the Georgian army to speak. what is this maneuver? :))) Completeness, excuse me. but they didn’t even try to detain ours on the mountain roads, where there could only be a real opportunity to stretch their strength. In my opinion, so quickly and unanimously in modern times, throwing everything, up to small arms, not a single army of the world was scolding.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 9 October 2013 16: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: smile
          In my opinion, so quickly and unanimously in modern times, throwing everything, up to small arms, not a single army of the world was scolding.

          "Minus" Geokingxnumx did not set this "case" can not help request .NEWS ...
        2. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 16: 57 New
          0
          Quote: smile
          Destruction of peacekeepers is a real Belly incident. Should we put up with this? Presumptuous war criminals must be taught. We taught.
          About the total wildest rapid flight of the Georgian army to speak. what is this maneuver? :))) Completeness, excuse me. but they didn’t even try to detain ours on the mountain roads, where there could only be a real opportunity to stretch their strength. In my opinion, so quickly and unanimously in modern times, throwing everything, up to small arms, not a single army of the world was scolding.

          the whole army was transferred to Tbilisi)! the command were! one village was ordered taken and they took then ordered to retreat and retreated then the order was again honeyed and took and then retreat and so it happened 7 times! The army was commanded by the Tbilisi measures Ugulava! Well, tell me what kind of operation you can do when your commander! there weren’t enough people in the Senaki base to evacuate the equipment) and there was no order!
          1. smile
            smile 9 October 2013 17: 31 New
            +4
            Geokingxnumx
            About. that the command of the Georgian army allowed the loss of command and control at least an episode with a panic in your government, when they heard rumors about the approach of tanks ... of their own to Tbilisi. This is a complete loss of control and in fact the collapse of the army. And who took the village of Senaki? Really knocked out Russian troops? :))
            Georgian troops could not destroy one and a half hundred of our peacekeepers armed with several armored personnel carriers and small arms, although they tried very hard. And this, with overwhelming superiority in manpower and equipment, and the tanks were and howitzers were continuously hammering ... for two days! but no, ours still managed to break through and save the civilians hiding with us.
            With the base in Senaki, clearly, they did not think that they would have to flee, but it was impossible to evacuate quickly. They thought they would only advance. But why was there not a single attempt to stop our troops on the mountain roads? In the end, there were much more Georgian troops, and they were deployed, and ours approached along the small intestine of the roads and immediately from the march, parted in battle? Only one answer, sorry, but your troops instantly hit a panic. And now they are slashing off and pushing the blame on anyone.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 9 October 2013 17: 40 New
              -1
              Quote: smile
              About. that the command of the Georgian army


              Smiley.you all mixed up in a heap ... firstly, Georgian troops easily bombed the front column of the 58th army. The video was in bulk ... you can see. And even the commander was wounded and knocked out ... before signing the agreement on the cessation of fighting your army didn’t advance to Tskhinvali a meter ... the peacekeepers left and made their way to Java .. having lost all the equipment ... I talked with the only Georgian officer .. he said that when they went on the attack .. there wasn’t one bullet to the side of the Russian peacekeepers..that they started shooting at the attackers .. and then the mess went on .... the turning point happened after the signing of the agreement and upon the arrival of the GDP in Vladikavkaz ... the command was given forward and only the Vostok battalion, making a detour maneuver. broke into Tskhinvali .... and Senaki ... the capture of Gori ... it was all after the order was given to the entire Georgian army to go on the defensive ... and everyone was called to defend Tbilisi ....
              1. 31231
                31231 9 October 2013 21: 31 New
                0
                Yeah, nonsense is so nonsense.
                .before the signing of the agreement on the cessation of hostilities your army did not advance to Tskhinvali even a meter


                what contract are you talking about here ?! Medvedev-Sarkozy Plan. So at the time of its signing, ours had already entered the whole territory of ethnic Georgia.
            2. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 17: 46 New
              0
              Quote: smile
              And who took the village of Senaki? Really knocked out Russian troops? :))

              senaki is not a village) it is a city!
              and the village I spoke near Tskhinval) no Ossetians retreated and the 7 stalemate once the soldiers moved like this is not a clash
              Quote: smile
              Georgian troops could not destroy one and a half hundred of our peacekeepers armed with several armored personnel carriers and small arms, although they tried very hard

              tank and infantry fighting vehicle! there were no plans with the peacekeepers of the battle! and strategically Tskhinval was not as important as the capture of Javi!
              Quote: smile
              With the base in Senaki, clearly, they did not think that they would have to flee, but it was impossible to evacuate quickly. They thought they would only advance. But why was there not a single attempt to stop our troops on the mountain roads? In the end, there were much more Georgian troops, and they were deployed, and ours approached along the small intestine of the roads and immediately from the march, parted in battle? Only one answer, sorry, but your troops instantly hit a panic. And now they are slashing off and pushing the blame on anyone.

              in western Georgia there was no army at all! all were thrown August 7-8 eastern Georgia! and from the Batumi brigade were in Tskhinvali!
              there will always be someone in the Army Brave normal and a coward
        3. smersh70
          smersh70 9 October 2013 17: 18 New
          0
          Quote: smile
          not a single army of the world draped.


          maybe we’ll remember Leo, 41 years old)) there it was even worse))) here about this the Kazakh well argued once .... fearing the operational environment, the Georgian army made one right choice .. having left Gori .... began to gather forces on defending the capital .... almost knocking out all the trump cards from Russia .. and automatically switched the arrows from the battlefield to political. the whole world wondered what Russia was doing in the capital of an independent state .... threatening the legally elected head of state .... remember the UN. how awkward Lavrov felt when he voiced his words said to the Secretary of State .....
  • shinobi
    shinobi 9 October 2013 13: 33 New
    +1
    Misha is scared, he will have to answer. A new president will come. He will start to sort things out, questions like “where is Misha’s money?” Will come up. It’s impossible to write off everything to the Russians. That's what Misha is saying to the whole world.
  • Prishtina
    Prishtina 9 October 2013 14: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: smersh70
    Quote: SPBOBL
    massacre of civilians ...


    what a massacre ... it was on RTR that the ban hung on the killing of 2000 people .. pom the Prosecutor's Office found out that about 120 people were killed ...
    Quote: SPBOBL
    need to JUDGE

    maybe not smile maybe you need those who brought both countries to such a relationship !!!!!!!
    By the way. Uncle Shimpor did not find an answer to one question ... why Russia can restore the territorial integrity of its country, but Georgia can’t .... I just ask the arguments ... let’s leave aside ... smile


    So everything is simple ...
    1. In the Czech Republic, the United Nations did not stand, and in South Ossetia our guys stood on the basis of a UN decision. And the mere execution of peacekeepers) was the basis for an otvetka.
    2. From the territory of the Czech Republic, there was a fetid smell of Wahhabism, terrorism throughout the UK. If in 1997-98 the Chechens would peacefully plow the land and not poke their head in RD .. you look and would be in the status of today's South Ossetia.
    3. It flows out of No. 2 .. South Ossetia has not attacked Georgia) but from the territory of the Chechen Republic they invaded Dagestan (well, the scum was framed).
    4. My favorite reason_ WE LEARN NOT BAD IN THE USA, REALIZE THE STRONG RIGHT) And the winners are not judged hi
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 9 October 2013 14: 29 New
      -2
      Quote: Prishtina
      WE LEARN NOT BAD FROM THE USA, REALIZE THE STRENGTH OF THE STRONG)

      which was required to prove)))))) in the morning I wanted to hear it !!!!!! and where then right .. justice .. UN..Helsinki ..... everything means down the drain ......
    2. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 14: 32 New
      -3
      Quote: Prishtina
      in South Ossetia, our guys stood on the basis of a UN decision. And the mere execution of peacekeepers) was the basis for otvetki.

      shot Georgian peacekeepers is not the basis?

      Quote: Prishtina
      South Ossetia did not attack Georgia)

      blew up a car and shot at Georgian villages is that what? 6 of August killed two Georgian peacekeepers!
      1. Syrdon
        Syrdon 9 October 2013 16: 21 New
        0
        killed, so it was for what. Do not forget HOW Georgia has imposed its desire to become independent. Georgia decided that the only and unique nation in the republic would be Georgians, and all the rest would become non-ethnic, national languages ​​would be canceled, autonomy too, everyone should change their surnames to Georgian, teaching at schools in Georgian, paperwork too, everyone who did not speak Georgian on the street etc. thus, other nations had a completely natural desire to leave such a state-va. because they were not even offered an alliance, equal partnership. Georgia was to become a unitary state. That is how your first Fuhrer-schizophrenic Gamsakhurdia, Mishiko, spoke like the Fuhrer-schizoid number two continued his work. so there is no need here to tell gypsy tales what peace hamsters you are. you are lazy, cowardly, deceitful and hypocritical dogs, ready to serve the OWNER, the one who feeds sweeter and yap at others, which he will show.
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 9 October 2013 16: 36 New
          +3
          Quote: Syrdon
          killed, so it was for what.

          So this is not a violation? okay

          Quote: Syrdon
          You do not forget in what way Georgia imposed its desire to become independent. Georgia decided that the only and unique nation in the republic would be Georgians, and all the rest would become intermittent, national languages ​​were abolished, autonomy too, everyone had to change their surnames to Georgian, teaching in schools in Georgian, paperwork too, all who did not speak Georgian on the street etc. thus, other nations had a completely natural desire to leave such a state-va. because they were not even offered an alliance, equal partnership. Georgia was to become a unitary state. This is how your first Fuhrer-schizophrenic Gamsakhurdia, Mishiko, spoke like the Fuhrer-schizoid number two continued his work. so there is no need here to tell gypsy tales what peace hamsters you are. you are lazy, cowardly, deceitful and hypocritical dogs, ready to serve the OWNER, to the one who feeds sweeter and yapping at others, which he points to.

          where did you get this? you don’t even know that gamsakhurdia himself put Ardzinba at the head of Abkhazia! Gamsakhurdia, although he was a moron, he had never said such a thing! Gamsakhurdia completely disbanded the Georgian Guard.
          look dear
          Quote: Syrdon
          what peace-loving hamsters you are. you are lazy, cowardly, deceitful and hypocritical dogs, ready to serve the OWNER, to the one who feeds sweeter and yapping at others, which he points to.

          no need to insult
          1. Syrdon
            Syrdon 9 October 2013 18: 20 New
            +1
            Ardzinba was elected in 90, and not appointed Gamsakhurdia. Apparently, in a Georgian school, you were somehow told a different story. About the guard, well, it’s as if it’s not gone anywhere:

            The National Guard was created on December 20, 1990, after President of Georgia Zviad Gamsakhurdia ordered the creation of the Armed Forces of Georgia and held the first military parade at Boris Paichadze Stadium. The head of the National Guard was appointed Tengiz Kitovani.
            The National Guard was staffed mainly by volunteers and former officers of the Soviet Army who returned to Georgia in order to serve in the ranks of the Georgian armed forces. Thus, it became the first national formation on the territory of Georgia and served as the basis for the regular Armed Forces [2].
            Almost from the moment of creation, the commanders of the National Guard took an active part in the politics of Georgia and then the civil war. In August 1991, the National Guard broke up into supporters of Gamsakhurdia and Kitovani. The collapse occurred after the statement of the President of Georgia Zviad Gamsakhurdia about the dissolution of the army. Supporters of Kitovani left their military units and joined the opposition - Prime Minister Tengiz Sigua and field commander Jaba Ioseliani. Other parts of the National Guard remained loyal to the Gamsakhurdia regime [2].
            Also, units of the National Guard participated in the South Ossetian and Abkhaz conflicts [3].

            and more about Gamsakhurdia

            In 1991, Zviad Gamsakhurdia declared: “in Georgia, there are Ossetians, but no Ossetia” [16]. In one of his speeches, he said:
            “The Ossetian people are garbage that needs to be disposed of through the Roki tunnel. We will go around Ossetia and let the Ossetians either submit and become Georgians, or, if they love Russians so much, leave Georgia for Russia. ”[6]
            Responding to questions from journalists and television viewers live on "Moscow - Tbilisi" on November 10, 1991, Gamsakhurdia said:
            "The Tskhinvali region was always called the Inner Kartli until 1922. In 1922, the Bolsheviks invented a new term - South Ossetia. South Ossetia is a non-geographic term invented by the Bolsheviks. There is no South Ossetia and it never existed. There is no such geographical term in nature." . [17]
          2. es.d
            es.d 9 October 2013 21: 44 New
            0
            And here is the iPhone. Believe me, at the sight of this ... Many forgot about Mikhail Nikolozovich.

            Quote: GEOKING95
            no need to insult


            +
      2. Pushkar
        Pushkar 9 October 2013 16: 33 New
        +2
        [/ Quote]
        blew up a car and shot at Georgian villages is that what? August 6 killed two Georgian peacekeepers! [/ Quote]
        Facts in the studio. Do not link to the Kavkaz website.
      3. Prishtina
        Prishtina 9 October 2013 20: 54 New
        +1
        Well, in number 1 there is little .. 2 it was necessary more .. you look and exchanged a couple of our lives. (cynical ??) of course, I won’t let snot out of the "brotherly" people of Georgia .. and I don’t feel illusions .. the paths parted in the 91st .. further on the general soldier

        No. 2 provocation on the border? then they are peacekeepers to nip .. and respond in accordance .. do not give statistics how many lay our peacekeepers you have since 1992 .. ??? Not?? Are you keen on? Already if yours (according to your understanding) for 2 so got involved .. then our couple of dozens (before the events of 888) should have crushed Georgia into drushlak ??!
    3. alone
      alone 9 October 2013 17: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Prishtina
      WE LEARN NOT BAD FROM THE USA, REALIZE THE STRENGTH OF THE STRONG)


      you have good teachers. I’ll go far with such teachers.

      found who is learning what.
      1. Prishtina
        Prishtina 9 October 2013 20: 58 New
        +3
        With the Azerbaijan flag .. as I see the sanctuary)) well so give it to the Armenians, Karabakh))) voluntarily .. defuse the situation)) substitute the same side again ... and wink
        Not how ??! bully Holiness disappears when it comes to your own skin ??!
        1. Walking
          Walking 9 October 2013 21: 14 New
          +5
          Commentators with the Azerbaijan flag, do you put pluses for each other and so rise in the ranking?
          Just wondering.
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 9 October 2013 21: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: Prishtina
          Well Duc give to Armenians, Karabakh)))


          they don’t sell land !!!! and that’s why you don’t give the Kuril Islands to the Japanese .. Chechnya - to the separatists ... and Kaliningrad to the Germans hi

          and about the sanctuary --- after death we figure it out ... someone in paradise ... and someone in hell laughing not for you to judge)))))
        3. alone
          alone 9 October 2013 22: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: Prishtina
          With the Azerbaijan flag .. as I see the sanctuary)) well so give it to the Armenians, Karabakh))) voluntarily .. defuse the situation)) substitute the same side again ... and
          Not how ??! Holiness disappears when it comes to your own skin ??!



          The topic is generally Georgia. You can’t wait for such a step.
        4. vahatak
          vahatak 9 October 2013 22: 55 New
          +1
          Thank you, but we have already taken Karabakh.
          1. alone
            alone 9 October 2013 23: 50 New
            0
            as they took, and you will return))
            1. vahatak
              vahatak 10 October 2013 01: 03 New
              0
              God will give both of us health, see who returns what to whom.
  • Luga
    Luga 9 October 2013 15: 12 New
    +4
    Historically, Georgians and Russians have always been on friendly terms. The stupidity of some and the meanness of others made our countries (but, I hope, not nations) hostile to each other. I am sure that all this is temporary, and time is already passing, but still, it’s unpleasant. One familiar Georgian woman, an elderly and respectable, orientally wise woman, told me back then, in 2008, "the fire had to be filled with water, not gasoline." Then the Sahak in every possible way provoked Russia, with his stupid rhetoric, small and not very bites, decided to go to war, as a result, blood was shed. Personally, I can only blame this blood on him. To start a war, only with the aim of spreading the stench around the world, mind you, not achieving any military or political victories, namely, to demonstrate to the world the "bloodlust" of Russia, its "imperial ways", to shed blood for this river, in my opinion, a crime, first of all, before one’s own people.
    In Georgia, the saak will not remain, it will go home to the states. In addition to the prospect of a trial for the 2008 massacre, we must not forget that the blood feud in the Caucasus has not yet been canceled. Ossetians remember everything and will not forgive.
  • pva1964
    pva1964 9 October 2013 15: 15 New
    +1
    for the worst and to the count angry
    1. alexng
      alexng 10 October 2013 01: 23 New
      +1
      AND! So that's what it is. Sahaki has a bad end! That is why he is so angry and "nice". yes
  • 128mgb
    128mgb 9 October 2013 15: 20 New
    +5
    Quote: smersh70

    which was required to prove)))))) in the morning I wanted to hear it !!!!!! and where then right .. justice .. UN..Helsinki ..... everything means down the drain ......

    Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Mali .. As you said? Right? Justice? Oh, yes. What is supposed to be for Jupiter is not for the bull. Proverb incidentally is not one thousand years old. So the need to think a little before doing something has not been canceled.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 9 October 2013 16: 43 New
      -2
      Quote: 128mgb
      Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Mali.

      if a neighbor of you is drunk .. why equate to something laughing you have to be better than your neighbor .. show yourself worthy .. better than the rest ... and the rest will go to YOU hi and here even the most faithful Yanukovych .. brother. Slav ... how much effort was spent on him to bring to power .. once - I was backing towards Europe ..........
      1. Prishtina
        Prishtina 9 October 2013 21: 01 New
        0
        A wonderful example .. if this wandering person is crap under the door ... two options ..
        1. precinct (he does not give a shit about drunks ??)
        2. a man with a wino ??
        What do you choose?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 9 October 2013 21: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Prishtina
          district


          and who is the precinct-UN chtoli ...))))))))
          and with a neighbor a drunk, you don’t have to fight at all .. he’s a finished man .. so as to engage in a skirmish with him ...
  • deman73
    deman73 9 October 2013 15: 41 New
    +1
    Yes, it's time to send Mishiko to some kind of medical school, so that the studios on it will train in the diagnosis
  • nod739
    nod739 9 October 2013 15: 46 New
    +4
    Quote: smersh70
    Quote: Nayhas
    A country with no resources other than land and people, although it does not live richly, is developing.
    thanks for the comment !!!!!!



    for an example of development:
    After the collapse of the USSR, Tbilisi Aircraft Manufacturing (TAM) was created on the basis of the 31st plant (aircraft factory in Tbilisi), and in 2002 its privatization began, the company was named JSC TAM (Joint Stock Company Tbilaviamsheni). The number of employees is about 2000 (compared to 14 in the late 000s).

    and by the way they built it under Soviet power
    but new friends in the person of Israel and the United States of Canada and small Britain did not build, but reduced their numbers by 7 times, only because of cheap slave force and control
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 9 October 2013 16: 47 New
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      Quote: nod739
      the number of employees is about 2000 (compared to 14 at the end of the 000s).

      Friend, so this disease of the entire Soviet industry .. can I give you examples from the Russian industry. How much worked before. How much ......... well, be serious .... this is not an argument ...
      Quote: nod739
      and by the way they built it under Soviet power

      I do not understand .. that under the Soviet regime only Georgia built chtoli laughing and that in the RSFSR did not build anything chtoli .......
      Quote: nod739
      and here are new friends in the person of Israel and the United States of Canada and the United Kingdom,

      maybe we will bring their capital in Russia ... how many workers have been reduced .. but by the way, there are enough of your other oligarchs without them .. remember Deripaska .... how the GDP forced the pen to sign an agreement ........