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The Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan begins the selection of candidates for training in military universities of the United States with 2014 year

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The Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan has begun the selection of candidates for training in military universities of the USA since 2014. Next year, the defense ministry of Kazakhstan will send four Kazakhstanis to study in the United States, the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan said.


Each candidate will study at a prestigious military university, including the West Point Military Academy of the Ground Forces, the Academy of the Naval Forces, the Academy of the Air Force and the US Coast Guard Academy. Duration of training 4 year.

Information about candidates admitted to military universities of the United States will be known tentatively at the beginning of May 2014.

Departure to the United States for training is expected in mid-June 2014, after taking the Military oath. Before being sent, the cadets will sign a contract on military service in the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan. Upon return, graduates of US military schools will have to continue serving in the Kazakh army for at least 10 years.

Last year, two Kazakhs received a certificate for training in the United States. Abylai Akhmetov entered the West Point Military Academy of the Army, Ilyas Kameledinov became a cadet of the Naval Academy of the US Armed Forces, the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan said.
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  1. mirag2
    mirag2 8 October 2013 11: 01 New
    13
    Gentlemen from Kazakhstan! -What do you think about this? You clearly have more information than this simple statement of fact. What is this for? To get acquainted with the advanced tactics of the enemy?
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 8 October 2013 11: 15 New
      -14 qualifying.
      Kazakhstan does not see the United States as an enemy. And so, yes. It will never hurt to get acquainted with the country's advanced tactics with the most powerful army in the world.
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 8 October 2013 11: 32 New
        18
        Quote: Zymran
        Get acquainted with the advanced tactics of the country with the most powerful army in the world

        Oh, yes, yes! I represent:
        Academy teacher
        And now, comrades Kazakhs, I will acquaint you with "the most powerful army in the world." In half an hour we will go on a tour of America and its secret polygons, take a pencil and a map for notes. Upon arrival at your home, do not forget to tell everything you saw to Comrade Nazarbayev.

        Some kind of nonsense, by golly!
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 8 October 2013 11: 37 New
          -12 qualifying.
          Your writing is certainly nonsense.
          1. Sergh
            Sergh 8 October 2013 11: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: Zymran
            You are certainly nonsense.

            When there is nothing to answer, then of course, it is better in the bushes!
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 8 October 2013 11: 49 New
              +8
              Well, what to answer to your replica?
              1. Sibiryak
                Sibiryak 8 October 2013 14: 06 New
                0
                Quote: Zymran
                Well, what to answer to your replica?

                When off topic the best way is to SILENCE!
            2. Semurg
              Semurg 8 October 2013 11: 53 New
              16
              Well then, by analogy, our cadet has nothing to do in Russian military schools, as they will not teach and show anything sensible. The best option, of course, is when cadets study at home, but it is not yet possible to provide in modern conditions, but to close only at home it’s not necessary, but it will be stagnation; part of the knowledge comes from outside.
              1. xetai9977
                xetai9977 8 October 2013 11: 58 New
                10
                Kazakhstan as an independent state sends its cadets anywhere and anytime. They pursue a multi-vector policy and do the right thing.
                1. Sergh
                  Sergh 8 October 2013 12: 35 New
                  +2
                  Quote: xetai9977
                  They pursue a multi-vector policy and do the right thing.

                  Multi-vector ... talk! This is true, especially when the very stigma in the gun.
                  I don’t remember something in my half-hundred, so that the Americans stood in line at Russian universities to study all power, so to speak! They will soon come with a barn lock to hang it on everything where it is possible and impossible.
                  1. karimbaev
                    karimbaev 8 October 2013 17: 18 New
                    +4
                    Russia sees the US as NATO enemies, but Kazakhstan does not.
                    1. DPN
                      DPN 8 October 2013 23: 06 New
                      -1
                      But how to consider them, if they want to clean SIBERIA.
                  2. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 8 October 2013 17: 41 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Sergh
                    Quote: xetai9977
                    They pursue a multi-vector policy and do the right thing.

                    Multi-vector ... talk! This is true, especially when the very stigma in the gun.
                    I don’t remember something in my half-hundred, so that the Americans stood in line at Russian universities to study all power, so to speak! They will soon come with a barn lock to hang it on everything where it is possible and impossible.

                    And right, Russia lets everyone in. When Lieberman was Minister of Foreign Affairs, he tried to arrange several Russian-speaking IDF officers at your academy. Well, politely refused. So really let the Americans go?
                  3. GSH-18
                    GSH-18 8 October 2013 19: 29 New
                    17
                    What's the problem, then ?? Kazakhs want to get American (alternative) military education for several! (not tens or hundreds) of their officers, and the Americans do not mind. So what's the problem? How does this threaten the security of Kazakhstan, and even more so for Russia ?! In Kazakhstan, almost everyone studied in the USSR and Russia, and there will also be the United States, for Kazakhstan it will certainly be useful in terms of enriching military knowledge. Paranoid statements like: "Kazakhstan will still have a sip for friendship with the Naglo-Saxons!" In this case, there are no grounds hi
                2. DEfindER
                  DEfindER 8 October 2013 12: 41 New
                  18
                  Quote: xetai9977
                  They pursue a multi-vector policy and do the right thing.

                  Flirting from the United States is not good, Milosevic, Hussein, Gaddafi felt their friendship in their own skin, although each of them at one time tried to establish good relations with them.
                  Bismarck seemed to say - "It's bad to have an Anglo-Saxon enemy, but even worse to have him as a friend .."

                  But I think the special services of Kazakhstan are not so simple to allow the interference of amers in their affairs ..
                  1. xetai9977
                    xetai9977 8 October 2013 12: 54 New
                    +3
                    It is necessary to cooperate with all significant countries and, first of all, in the great militarily and economically. It is strange to demand from Kazakhstan not to maintain relations with the country, the First World Economy, with a fraudulent army, a permanent member of the UN Security Council. And it is even more naive to assume that the Kazakhs are so incapacitated that they need someone's advice, with whom to maintain relations, and with whom not.
                    1. GDP
                      GDP 8 October 2013 14: 06 New
                      +2
                      America is far and Russia is close. How many Americans live in Kazakhstan? How many Russian speakers live in Kazakhstan? How many Kazakhs live in Russia? Is Kazakhstan a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization or NATO?
                      No need to talk nonsense about a multi-vector policy, you can’t sit on two chairs at once ...
                      4 Kazakhs instructed by the US military - the enemies of their closest ally and neighbor - this is of course a trifle, but it makes you wonder ...
                      1. xetai9977
                        xetai9977 8 October 2013 14: 10 New
                        +3
                        The Kazakhs answered you, they do not consider Americans to be enemies and proceed from their own interests. Any state thinks first of all about its interests and does the right thing. Whether someone likes it or not is their problem.
                      2. GDP
                        GDP 8 October 2013 14: 16 New
                        +5
                        Rasul, why, after Jim filled my face, you came up and shook his hand, because you told me that you were my best friend? You and I have a common garden, did we grow up in the same house? I am your friend and jim too ... My friendship with jim should not affect our good relations with you ...
                      3. Essenger
                        Essenger 8 October 2013 15: 20 New
                        -2
                        Quote: GDP
                        Rasul, why, after Jim filled my face, you came up and shook his hand, because you told me that you were my best friend? You and I have a common garden, did we grow up in the same house? I am your friend and jim too ... My friendship with jim should not affect our good relations with you ...


                        So America filled your face?)))))
                      4. GDP
                        GDP 8 October 2013 15: 28 New
                        +5
                        It was not easy to fill her face, but knocked out teeth, broke her jaw and whitened her leg, and then kicked on the ribs and spat on the top, moreover, with our permission and blessing, or rather, the blessing of our beloved leadership, who now lives abroad in wealth and honor, as well as their children ...

                        All the other "friends and brothers" stood and watched, and some of them also encouraged them, feeling the bear's weakness ...

                        I am glad that at least Belarus and Kazakhstan were not among them then.

                        However, as it seems Bismarck said - "It's not enough to kill a Russian man" :)
                      5. Artyom
                        Artyom 8 October 2013 21: 55 New
                        +1
                        "It's not enough to kill a Russian man" :) [/ quote]
                        This was said by Frederick the Great about the soldier of Rumyantsev "It is not enough to kill a Russian soldier, he also needs to be pushed."
                3. Kazakh-uly
                  Kazakh-uly 8 October 2013 19: 59 New
                  +9
                  xetai9977 rahmet brother azerbaijani
              2. karimbaev
                karimbaev 8 October 2013 17: 22 New
                +7
                But what to think about? respected! Russia does not want to share technology with us, and on air defense systems too, and in many respects, in the defense sphere, all agreements remain on paper, and Russia armed and potentially taught the opposite, as if China would go to war with the USA, America overseas, and we are all here
              3. mikkado31
                mikkado31 8 October 2013 18: 42 New
                +5
                What does it have to do with how much and where? Well, Kazakhs want to come to us, welcome!

                We do not consider Russia as an enemy. China is yes, but Russia is not. You can consider us enemies as you like. We are somehow violet)
              4. Essenger
                Essenger 8 October 2013 18: 56 New
                +6
                Quote: mikkado31
                Well, Kazakhs want to come to us, welcome!


                hi
              5. matross
                matross 8 October 2013 19: 28 New
                +1
                Quote: mikkado31
                We do not consider Russia as an enemy. China - yes, but no Russia

                Who are you talking about? About immigrants from Russia-USSR? Or society as a whole? Or about public policy?
              6. GSH-18
                GSH-18 8 October 2013 19: 59 New
                +5
                Quote: mikkado31
                We do not consider Russia as an enemy. China is yes, but Russia is not. You can consider us enemies as you like. We are somehow violet)

                Yes, in general, even in Russia, Americans are not considered enemies, with the exception of figures such as Mr. McCain, Brzezinski and other hawks of the State Department, who form a hostile foreign policy with regard to Russia and adopt various unfriendly amendments (Magnitsky), control the states, Europe and try to put under the control of Russia, by encircling it with its military bases, pro-American regimes and radars. And so with a bunch, we love you too! hi
            3. alone
              alone 8 October 2013 19: 31 New
              13
              Quote: GDP
              America is far and Russia is close.


              first ban your deputy sons from studying at American military colleges, and then reproach others.
          2. karimbaev
            karimbaev 8 October 2013 17: 19 New
            +5
            well done! totally agree with you! with whom do we want and are friends
          3. varov14
            varov14 8 October 2013 19: 51 New
            -1
            Friendship is only between equals, the rest is servicing and assent. Something I doubt that the mentality of a Kazakh shepherd is the same as the mentality of some Southerner from Texas. Or are you from the current bays, so they will not invite you to a decent house either.
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 9 October 2013 09: 30 New
              +6
              Southerner from Texas, as I understand the cowboy that there is a shepherd, so maybe not everything is so sad and the two shepherds somehow agree? laughing
        2. Hauptmann emil
          Hauptmann emil 8 October 2013 13: 10 New
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          Quote: DEfindER
          But I think the special services of Kazakhstan are not so simple to allow the interference of amers in their affairs ..

          I totally agree.
          Students from: Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan study in my Alma Mater. Those. they go to classes with our cadets. They are distinguished only by emblems on the form (respectively, the stripes of their states). And what's the problem?
          As it was correctly written: "Kazakhstan is an ally, not a vassal."
          Their cadets can study anywhere. Therefore, I do not understand hysterical remarks reaching insults. We (unfortunately) have not lived in the USSR for a long time. And all the former union republics are now independent (sovereign) states with all the consequences.
          1. GDP
            GDP 8 October 2013 14: 38 New
            +4
            Independence does not mean that we should not take into account each other's interests ... True independence is a myth. There is none of it — absolute freedom, neither among states, nor even in the family; the husband depends on his wife even then.
            In the United States, the economy, the army and politics are merged, and they never do anything for nothing. We do not believe that the Kazakhs have become our enemies, we are afraid that they will also be brainwashed like Georgian politicians and the military. And after that they will use their influence against us ...
            1. gunnerminer
              gunnerminer 8 October 2013 14: 48 New
              11
              Children and immediate relatives of almost all deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, members of the Council of Federations, senior officials of the regional and federal levels, prominent cultural figures and media representatives study or train in US educational institutions. Why citizens of Kazakhstan can not follow their example. In the Republic of Kazakhstan there is a Soul program , for the selection and referral of young people to study in the USA.
            2. GDP
              GDP 8 October 2013 15: 13 New
              +7
              It is very sad that the children of the "Elite" of our country learn from our sworn friends, listen to their advice, grow roots in a foreign country. This will not bring anything good to Russia. In the USSR, such people were called enemies of the people, there is some truth in this. In any case, I would not entrust the fate of my state to such a person.
          2. Anper
            Anper 8 October 2013 15: 14 New
            +6
            Definitely! And Yushchenko, and Saakashvili, and another Urainsky rabbit Arseniy Yatsenyuk - they all studied in the United States (and the first two even had an American wife). With the naked eye you can see what kind of policy this audience is pursuing. And this is what Americans do everywhere, in all the countries that interest them - with a small difference: they either take teenagers to study, or women. This is a very serious signal - it’s four so far, and then how much? This is the fifth column, or whatever you like - a time bomb, which will be undermined at the right time in the United States.
          3. Essenger
            Essenger 8 October 2013 15: 15 New
            +8
            Quote: Anper
            And Yushchenko, and Saakashvili, and another Urainsky rabbit Arseniy Yatsenyuk - they all studied in the United States (and the first two even had an American wife).


            Saakashvili’s wife is not American, but Dutch. Why would they spread disu?
  2. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 8 October 2013 13: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: xetai9977
    They pursue a multi-vector policy and do the right thing.

    I think this is what baby Tony recommended to them? Are you more there with him hiKazakhstan as an independent state sends its cadets wherever and whenever No. , but not to Syria, like all the best specialists right now.
  3. Sibiryak
    Sibiryak 8 October 2013 14: 02 New
    -11 qualifying.
    Quote: xetai9977
    Kazakhstan as an independent state sends its cadets anywhere and anytime.

    As you said ... independent ... but do you actually know what this means ???
    Quote: xetai9977
    They pursue a multi-vector policy and do the right thing.

    laughing laughing laughing yes ... comments are superfluous!
    1. Sibiryak
      Sibiryak 8 October 2013 19: 24 New
      -5
      Lord minusers, I can’t name comrades! And to answer, except for pressing a button, WEAK? Or just a long tongue?
      1. Sibiryak
        Sibiryak 8 October 2013 21: 54 New
        -1
        Well then ... Rauf (xetai9977) ... as I understand it, independence is a difficult philosophical concept that cannot be explained on your part !!! Hence the conclusion - if you are a laborer, then drag the galley until you turn blue, and the rest is just beautiful words! (Repin's painting - ARMS!) negative
      2. Growler
        Growler 8 October 2013 23: 51 New
        +2
        Another minus slapped ...
        laughing
  4. varov14
    varov14 8 October 2013 19: 37 New
    +2
    Only the vaccine needs to be done, from zombies, otherwise it will come to mind to do the local states, and the local mentality is different, only four go to the states.
  5. FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN 8 October 2013 21: 04 New
    +1
    .....
    xetai9977 (2) AZ  Today, 11:58 ↑ New


    Kazakhstan as an independent state sends its cadets anywhere and anytime. They pursue a multi-vector policy and do the right thing ................ Thank God ... good luck .... Just do not boast of your independence ........ Before you need to think that your closest neighbor is Russia, not the states ...... and in general we have the same regional and strategic interests! ....

    Here is one politician with a half-eaten tie who also thought that he was pursuing a lot of vector policies when he hit Tskhinval, and laughed at the fool from across the ocean ....... Never. I emphasize that the United States will never fight for Kazakhstan or Azerbaijan ..... but Russia will ........ Think of the guys before entering with their right to choose friends!
    1. alone
      alone 8 October 2013 23: 18 New
      +4
      Igor, don’t have to fight for us! We’ll sort of deal with our enemies ourselves.
      you better not bother us with our enemies. But for how many years now you have not allowed justice to prevail.
  • Sibiryak
    Sibiryak 8 October 2013 13: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: Semurg
    The best option, of course, is when cadets study at home, but it is not yet possible to provide in modern conditions, but you don’t need to close yourself, otherwise it will stagnate part of the knowledge comes from outside.

    Since it is not possible to provide, then something is wrong, is not it, something is missing? Is it really interesting to hear your opinion on this?
    And it’s funny to even talk about your expression about stagnation laughing ... it can be compared with economic stagnation under Brezhnev from the lips of modern liberals.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 8 October 2013 14: 17 New
      16
      it is impossible to produce all kinds of goods at home; it is not possible to obtain all the knowledge of the world from oneself. (as the ensign said all women should not be changed, but it is necessary to strive for this) Did Peter1 also go to Europe for knowledge and send the noblemen to study until he set up his studies? it takes time, personnel, political will and a gram of luck.
      1. Sibiryak
        Sibiryak 8 October 2013 14: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Semurg
        it is impossible to produce all kinds of goods at home; it is not possible to obtain all the knowledge of the world from oneself.

        Of course, you philosophically approach the issue, but somehow your answer is off topic! I never heard the answer that prevents Kazakhstan from organizing and ensuring the presence of a military educational institution in the republic!
        Quote: Semurg
        Peter1 also seemed to go to Europe for knowledge and send the nobles to study until he set up his studies?

        Only for what exactly no one knows, and when he arrived, heads flew one by one! Then you want, you don’t want different thoughts, they’ll climb into your head and not the fact that they are positive!
        Quote: Semurg
        everything takes time, personnel, political will and a gram of luck

        And in order for everything to work out, for starters, you need to have convolutions in your head, in an amount that is clearly more than one, and only then everything you listed will be!
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 8 October 2013 15: 34 New
          +7
          Clear. a hint of the absence of convolutions is very strong. so say checkmate laughing .Just why this discussion with people without convolutions, stand in front of the mirror and enjoy yourself beloved.
          1. Sibiryak
            Sibiryak 8 October 2013 19: 21 New
            0
            Quote: Semurg
            Clear. a hint of the absence of convolutions is very strong. so say checkmate

            I didn’t make any hints at all, all the more so to get into your ladies so to speak. Everyone understands the extent of their awareness and education, and draws certain conclusions. These are just logical reflections, and you have such a reaction, which means there is something to worry about, isn't it Sagat!
            Quote: Semurg
            Just why is this discussion with people without convolutions, stand in front of a mirror and enjoy yourself beloved.

            This suggests that you absolutely did not understand ANYTHING that you were told about, and this is very unfortunate! Do not flatter yourself !!!
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 8 October 2013 14: 36 New
    +5
    He put a minus in the article, because it is a shame for the state. But from the point of view of the Kazakh leadership, the move is right, why lay eggs in one basket? But in relation to Russia, these actions of Nazarbayev, coupled with steps in the direction of the Latin alphabet, show in which direction he headed
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 8 October 2013 14: 49 New
      +5
      Children and immediate relatives of almost all deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, members of the Council of Federations, senior officials of the regional and federal levels, prominent cultural figures and media representatives study or train in US educational institutions. Why citizens of Kazakhstan can not follow their example. In the Republic of Kazakhstan there is a Soul program , for the selection and referral of young people to study in the USA.
  • gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 8 October 2013 14: 21 New
    10
    The leader of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Abishevich Nazarbayev, may God extend his years, the Government of Kaazakhstan pursues a multi-vector policy of friendship and cooperation. The Russian government also sent troops to study in the USA, for example, in the 90s, the flagship navigator of the Russian Navy, Rear Admiral Aleksin, a talented war correspondent, Lieutenant Colonel A. Go bu and many other officers were in the United States.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 8 October 2013 12: 55 New
    10
    Quote: Sergh
    Oh, yes, yes! I represent:


    what are you clinging to Kazakhstan smile look what’s going on in Holland .---- Let the General Staff of Russia do better there ...-
    Dutch police broke into the apartment of the adviser-envoy of the Russian Embassy Dmitry Borodin in The Hague, beat him, and then drove him to the station. This was done despite the fact that he had warned law enforcement officers about his diplomatic immunity.
    As Vesti.Az reports with reference to the Russian media, this was reported by the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Alexander Lukashevich.
    “The armed men in camouflage uniforms broke in and, under the completely far-fetched pretext of supposedly mistreating the children, the diplomat was severely beaten before their eyes. It is well known that the home of a diplomat is inviolable. The police handcuffed our diplomat to the police station, where he was held almost all night. After that, he was released without any explanation or apology, ”Vesti quotes him.
    Lukashevich called the incident with a diplomat a gross violation of international standards and a violation of the provisions of the Vienna Convention and diplomatic relations. According to RBC, in connection with the incident, the Russian Foreign Ministry sent a note of protest to the Netherlands. The Dutch side has not yet reacted to it.
    1. avt
      avt 8 October 2013 13: 08 New
      +8
      Quote: smersh70
      why are you clinging to Kazakhstan smile look what’s going on in Holland .---- Let the General Staff of Russia deal better there ...-

      request So what ? It was already in Poland - the embassy kid received a turnip, well, in Moscow, they embarrassed the embassy Pole - the Ministry of Foreign Affairs did not receive any clarifications. Here, too, the GDP from Bali has already asked for clarification. I won’t get it in time - someone from the Dutch in Moscow will slip, wake up - gypsum. There were frosts at night already, in the region it’s true. Well, either the Greenpeace piracy confesses, or they do not confess, but they sit down. In our Foreign Ministry, today it’s not Kozyrev.
      1. Babon
        Babon 8 October 2013 13: 20 New
        +4
        Still, it was precisely the diplomatic officer himself, this was an insult to the state. This is a very significant reason for a strong cooling of relations; sometimes this was enough even to declare war.
    2. Sergh
      Sergh 8 October 2013 13: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: smersh70
      let the general staff of Russia better deal there.

      Why are you so reactive, it was only a day before yesterday in Holland (on the night of 06.10.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX). Understand, then we'll talk.

      Well, if you want, from the Soviet-Dutch deep relations:
      This happened after one of the Soviet citizens who worked in Holland decided not to return to their homeland. The authorities of the kingdom decided to leave the defector's wife in the country. The woman, apparently, was not ready for the decision of her husband, and could not decide whether to stay in the Netherlands or go to her homeland. The Dutch police decided to take a decision and promised to take the lady to her husband.

      But then the workers of the Soviet embassy, ​​headed by Panteleimon Ponomarenko, arrived at the scene. The verbal pick of the opponents went hand to hand. Representatives of the police, obviously, did not know that Ponomarenko during the war would have been the head of the Central headquarters of the partisan movement.

      The fight ended with the woman flew to the Soviet Union, and Ambassador Ponomarenko was asked to leave the country for beating police officers. By the way, the defector subsequently also returned to his homeland.

      As for Ponomarenko, after these events he took the post of Soviet representative in the IAEA.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 8 October 2013 13: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Sergh
        Ponomarenko during the war would have been the head of the Central headquarters of the partisan movement.


        yes it’s that Ponomarenko, the former 1st secretary of the Central Committee of Belarus ... who ran away from Minsk. where you look ... You better read the messenger of the Central Committee of the CPSU for 90 years ... as they say in the documents about him .... because of his lack of talent ..and sent to lead the Pratizins to wash away his guilt .. and where it was he was behind the front line cordon .. headed from Moscow ........
  • tverskoi77
    tverskoi77 8 October 2013 13: 43 New
    +5
    Some kind of nonsense, by golly!

    Bullshit is when our army leaves for potatoes under the command of a stool.
    And there is a lot to learn from the US Army, just like from the Russian Army.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 8 October 2013 13: 54 New
    +3
    Quote: Sergh
    Why are you so reactive, it was only a day before yesterday in Holland


    Yes ... VO visitors are not born laughing level drinks we love efficiency and objectivity))))))))
  • Ducksar
    Ducksar 8 October 2013 19: 39 New
    0
    Serge, what are you really ... let them do what they want, were close friends became just partners, "nothing personal, just business" as they say. Do not forget this is a sovereign country and is independent in its actions! Kazakhstan is one of 14 chicks that flew out of the "nest"! So far so good, we ourselves with a mustache ... as it smells fried, so immediately remember the "nest"! Just don't expect a backlash, my opinion! The big bird has only 2 allies - the Army and the Navy.
  • Joker
    Joker 8 October 2013 20: 04 New
    +5
    Well, that pounced on the two-faced then you are ours? As we build a transshipment base, we build it like this, we can send satellites into space, our Airborne Forces can send our exercises to the US, and the rest cannot good excellent position good they want to learn, let them learn, Americans have military experience and learn from us, too, what's wrong with that?
  • Hleb
    Hleb 8 October 2013 11: 56 New
    10
    I feel sorry for my homeland when I read such news. Georgia started from the same ... so to speak with the most powerful
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 8 October 2013 12: 03 New
      -16 qualifying.
      Georgia had problems restoring constitutional order to parts of its recognized territory, where Russia frolicked in full, distributing its citizenship left and right, and denying this to ethnic Russians in Russia, let alone representatives of other peoples who want to live and work in Russia.
      1. Genur
        Genur 8 October 2013 12: 14 New
        +9
        Education in Belarus is much better. Less politics, more quality.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 8 October 2013 13: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: Genur
          Education in Belarus is much better.


          Are you kidding me? laughing
          1. Sergh
            Sergh 8 October 2013 16: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: Essenger
            Are you kidding me?

            I have long noticed such a pattern in the United States, at the age of 27-30 young Americans (and not only) already have a Ph.D., a professor ...
            Tyrnet picked a little and almost fell from the oak, it turns out that everything depends on money training and nothing more!

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            Doctoral studies lead to the title of Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) in the arts, humanities and technical sciences, or Doctor of Education (Ed.D.) in the disciplines related to teaching. There are also a number of special special doctoral degrees.

            Doctoral programs are based on independent research that leads to the defense of a doctoral dissertation.

            The Doctor's degree is the next degree after the Master's degree. However, in the United States you can become a doctor without a master's degree. Some universities have doctoral programs without an intermediate Master's degree. Accordingly, the duration of such programs is longer than the duration of programs for those who already have a Master's degree. There are also combined programs, studying for which you can get a Master's degree and then a Doctor. The duration of such programs is usually less than when studying two degrees separately.

            After receiving a bachelor's degree, you can also study for a year or two in order to prepare for a doctoral program. Moreover, the candidate does not have to have a Master's degree. After such preparation, you can apply for admission to the doctoral program. If the university approves it, training begins leading to obtaining a Doctor’s degree.

            I’m talking about this, my cousin worked all his life at the university doing scientific work and only by the age of 60 received a doctor of technology. sciences. The difference in obtaining a degree is significant.
            In the Russian Federation (Russia), a Doctor of Science degree is awarded by the Presidium of the Higher Attestation Commission (HAC) of the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation (Ministry of Education and Science of Russia) based on the results of public defense of a doctoral dissertation. The applicant must have a PhD degree.
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 8 October 2013 16: 04 New
              +2
              American scientists are famous all over the world. At one time, only Soviet science could compete with them. And now the state of all science in all post-Soviet countries is deplorable.
              It remains only to blame the Americans that they de all rests on money training ...
              1. Sergh
                Sergh 8 October 2013 16: 22 New
                +1
                Quote: Zymran
                It remains only to blame the Americans that they de all rests on money training ...

                It seems that I'm talking to an alien !? Yes, you develop your eyes and understand the meaning of the difference. And here it is deplorable ..., but I do not care about these stupid Americans, where scientists, incidentally, are all immigrants.
                I’m still telling you about FOMA, and you about YEREMU.
                Okay, hare. Forgot.
                1. Zymran
                  Zymran 8 October 2013 16: 31 New
                  +1
                  Well, here they are stupid ...


                  Forgot what is already there.
              2. Babon
                Babon 8 October 2013 18: 59 New
                0
                Let's not forget, most of the American famous scientists come from other countries. And they did not receive education in the United States; indeed, it is much more convenient to conduct research in Western universities, how to create convenience for really, they thought out well for scientists. Now, if you look, only a lot of scientists work from the former USSR who left for them, and the names are pretty well known. And they go there not only from the former USSR. Here you have famous American scientists.
                1. Joker
                  Joker 9 October 2013 00: 08 New
                  +3
                  Let's not forget, most of the American famous scientists, visitors from other countries.

                  So, what is next? If you have forgotten then the Americans and the visitors themselves, and so they themselves, and position themselves as a country of immigrants.
                  Let's not forget, most of the American famous scientists, visitors from other countries.

                  AND? I also received a Soviet education, only that I am not a scientist, depends on whether a person is a scientist or not, depends primarily on the person himself, and education is the tenth, go over the biographies of the discoverers, many did not finish school at all.
                  It is much more convenient to conduct research work in Western universities, how to create conveniences for really, scientists have thought out well.

                  And here is the whole and stupid, if our country doesn’t need scientists and nobody is going to create conditions for them, so excuse me for the problems of the country, and not for scientists, I don’t think that a person who wants to realize his idea will wait until someone is there he wakes up and creates these conditions for him, so he creates them for himself by moving to another country.
                  Here you have the famous American scientists.

                  Offhand I will call Edison and the Wright brothers, and in general, as soon as a person acquires US citizenship, he becomes an American, if you didn’t know)) We have many talented scientists and there are now, certainly not less than before, but nobody needs them .
      2. Hleb
        Hleb 8 October 2013 12: 18 New
        +3
        )) then what are the problems of Kazakhstan and with whom, who decided to go this way? along the way, Russia frolics again? but what is it expressed in? maybe Marek will catch up and give a deal))
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 8 October 2013 12: 46 New
          12
          Quote: Gleb
          )) then what are the problems of Kazakhstan and with whom, who decided to go this way? along the way, Russia frolics again? but what is it expressed in? maybe Marek will catch up and give a deal))

          All countries do not have eternal allies (forget the army and navy for a while laughing ) and constant enemies, but there are interests. Kazakhstan is an ally of Russia and not a vassal, and if ours are going to study at a US military university this is not a reason for Russians to start a tantrum about us being betrayed. Tomorrow they will announce that the Russians went to study in the USA and begin to write modestly again a scary exchange experience, as it was earlier in the topics about the joint exercises of the Kazakhs and a few days later the Russians and the Americans. By the way, if they go to study in the USA, I’ll be happy for the Russians, and in some Russians we can only hear the coolest, we have the best, etc. It’s very good to get the experience and knowledge of a potential enemy in a military university, but if you doubt your youth that they learned in the United States will become their agent, then you have no future because there is no faith in your children, that you see potential traitors in them and not the defenders of your homeland.
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 8 October 2013 13: 38 New
            +3
            Quote: Semurg
            .Kazakhstan is an ally of Russia and not a vassal, and if ours are going to study at a US military university this is not a reason for Russians to start a tantrum about us being betrayed. Tomorrow they will announce that the Russians went to study in the USA and again begin to write modestly again a modest exchange of experience, as it was before in topics about the joint exercises of the Kazakhs and a few days later the Russians with the Americans.

            Found a difference, study at a military university and conduct joint exercises. What is the difference? belay Good luck to your fellow citizens, let no fives come.
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 8 October 2013 13: 56 New
              +6
              I hope the academic performance will be on top. If the United States is your enemy, what are you conducting joint exercises? What transit are you opening? cooperating in these areas why not cooperate in military training - or are you afraid that the "nasty" will spoil your children without your supervision?
          2. Sibiryak
            Sibiryak 8 October 2013 22: 20 New
            0
            Quote: Semurg
            All countries do not have eternal allies and permanent enemies but have interests.

            Oh my god, but only 20 years have passed, and such PAs fly out ... what a short memory !!! what
          3. Joker
            Joker 9 October 2013 00: 10 New
            +2
            otherwise we can only hear from the Russians that we are the coolest, we have the best, etc., to get experience and knowledge in a military college of a likely enemy very well.

            And so they say only room analysts, who have not seen it in the eyes of Americans, only argue. Those who are fighting just the same good opinion about the fighting qualities of the Americans. Already in analysts 39 th caps of the Germans.
      3. Troy
        Troy 8 October 2013 14: 49 New
        +4
        And what about Hungary and Romania are you not talking about? They also frolic, distributing their citizenship to Ukrainians and Moldovans. And why did this verb "frolic"? There people were saved from total destruction. And the fact that for Russian citizenship is a problem, I agree.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 8 October 2013 21: 06 New
          +3
          Hungary and Romania are your diligent students, the only thing that the teacher did with the students may not work. At the expense of total destruction, these peoples (Georgians of the Abkhaz Ossetians) live in the neighborhood, I think, like 700-800 years, and no matter how they cut each other out, I think it would have cost this time. I constantly read on the website that they got their personal identification documents, and then Georgian citizens were easily given Russian passports to Georgian citizens (or are the Georgian ones correctly and your relatives from the St. Caucasus are not correct)?
      4. karimbaev
        karimbaev 8 October 2013 17: 26 New
        -1
        I agree, Abkhazia and Ossetia are part of Georgia,
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 8 October 2013 19: 54 New
          0
          Quote: karimbaev
          I agree, Abkhazia and Ossetia are part of Georgia,

          Abkhazia and South Ossetia-INDEPENDENT STATES is for stupid.
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 9 October 2013 09: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: ed65b
            Quote: karimbaev
            I agree, Abkhazia and Ossetia are part of Georgia,

            Abkhazia and South Ossetia-INDEPENDENT STATES is for stupid.

            laughing ))))))))
            1. karimbaev
              karimbaev 9 October 2013 18: 05 New
              0
              Georgia has been divided into parts they still want to divide, that's who you are stupid you probably. It’s not in vain that there were wars, and there will still be.
    2. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 8 October 2013 12: 22 New
      14
      Gleb, hundreds of Kazakhstanis study at Russian military universities, and thousands of people in civilian universities, as they say, feel the difference. They slurp cabbage soup with bast shoes, they will somehow track the four of them, and they will probably undergo "processing" before sending
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 8 October 2013 18: 38 New
        11
        Andrey, hello! Everything is correct. I just want to add. There is a military unit for peacekeeping missions in Kazakhstan. First a platoon, then a company, now a battalion. So from the moment of its creation and from the moment of the beginning of the training with NATO members ("Steppe Eagle" under the Partnership for Peace program, where NATO has a maximum platoon), domestic specialists were required, trained according to NATO standards. By the way, we switched from divisions to brigades before Russia. At least that is how the government explained the first dispatch of our troops to the west.
        Remember how at the end of September in a provocative article that Nazarbayev forbids the launch of Protons, our "well-willed" in the comments noted. A 30.09. 2013 after this start in comments quiet and smooth. It was ugly on their part that it turned out to be something to say.
        Also here. Four!!! a person compared to the mass that lives in Russia (we are talking about thousands). I’m just sure that those who are sent to the West under a lypoy checked. Yes, what can I say, 14 students study outside of the Republic of Kazakhstan (000 at the expense of the state). From Japan and China in the East to the USA and Canada in the West. Verby - reluctant, incl. grandchildren of the president and other youths of high-ranking officials. Yes, and in Russia the same thing. hi
        1. Andrey KZ
          Andrey KZ 8 October 2013 19: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: Kasym
          Hi Andrey!

          Hi Kasym! hi
        2. ed65b
          ed65b 8 October 2013 19: 52 New
          0
          Kasim can tell you that Russia has not switched to brigades.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 8 October 2013 22: 27 New
            +4
            Edyard, good evening! Thanks for the info. This topic was simply raised under Serdyukov. They said that some brigades had already formed. I wanted to leave several airbases, all sincerely resented. Honestly, further off the topic.
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 October 2013 13: 22 New
      +7
      Quote: Gleb
      I feel sorry for my homeland when I read such news.

      Honestly, what is the offense for the homeland, I did not understand?
      1. T80UM1
        T80UM1 8 October 2013 13: 48 New
        +3
        He was born in Kazakhstan ...
      2. Hleb
        Hleb 8 October 2013 14: 43 New
        0
        when Azerbaijan starts sending its citizens to study military affairs in Armenia, then it will probably be more clear))?
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 8 October 2013 14: 54 New
          +5
          Quote: Gleb
          when Azerbaijan starts sending its citizens to study military affairs in Armenia, then it will probably be more clear))?


          You wrote it seriously and in a fit of passion ?! winked
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 8 October 2013 15: 05 New
            +3
            why it’s hot. I just want Alibek to understand with this example, why it hurts me in this case (well, not to tears of course). and what surprised you?
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 8 October 2013 15: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Gleb
          when Azerbaijan starts sending its citizens to study military affairs in Armenia


          why send .we already send wassat the entire top of Armenia is the citizen of Azerbaijan as of 01.01.1992/XNUMX/XNUMX .. good .
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay 8 October 2013 16: 53 New
          +7
          Quote: Gleb
          when Azerbaijan starts sending its citizens to study military affairs in Armenia, then it will probably be more clear))?


          Gleb, well, anologies do not fit in any way, no matter how I tried to connect my imagination!
          Honestly I do not understand !!
          Your President who vibrated your people says that the United States and NATO are partners with Russia!
          You are not in a state of war, but you constantly wind up yourself!
          That they say NATO is approaching the borders, while for a long time NATO has borders with Russia!
          That they say the Kazakhs went to study in the United States and what ????? Russia opened a transshipment point for NATO in Ulyanovsk and your President said that it is great !!
          What's wrong???
          Your President’s daughters study and live with patented enemies ????? and ????
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 8 October 2013 18: 23 New
            0
            everything fits!
            and when it comes to our president, this does not mean that I completely agree with him and I’m not offended by Russia in some respects. at least I never justified the transit, as Kazakhstani forum users justify here. I never called the Americans partners without I don’t cheat myself, but I really consider them enemies at least since 1948, both for the USSR-Russia and for the whole world. If you are mistaken, Alibek, you took pictures of their atrocities themselves, or saw photos of others. They are enemies. I originally wrote ME a shame for the Motherland, that's the conversation should proceed from this, ME. in what is happening with Russia, I’m not guilty enough to reproach me with transit, that my daughters study somewhere, etc ...
            everything fits!
          2. Sibiryak
            Sibiryak 8 October 2013 22: 25 New
            0
            Quote: Yarbay
            Your President who vibrated your people says that the United States and NATO are partners with Russia!
            You are not in a state of war, but you constantly wind up yourself!

            Quote: Yarbay
            That they say NATO is approaching the borders, while for a long time NATO has borders with Russia!
            That they say the Kazakhs went to study in the United States and what ????? Russia opened a transshipment point for NATO in Ulyanovsk and your President said that it is great !!

            Dear Alibek, but do not you know that they read such things between the lines! wink
  • Manager
    Manager 8 October 2013 12: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Zymran
    It will never hurt to get acquainted with the country's advanced tactics with the most powerful army in the world.


    They are yes, but where are you with your militia? Imperial ambitions?
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 8 October 2013 12: 15 New
      12
      Well, extra knowledge will not hurt anyone.
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 8 October 2013 12: 23 New
        +3
        okay, the government decides, but why do you welcome this? Do the armies of Kazakhstan and the USA have similar strategic approaches that you decided to draw on knowledge there? Do you have the same fleet, aviation, etc ...? with whom you were going to fight against American tactics and attack strategies? Apparently Ryazan isn’t suitable for defense? Yes, at least other cities and countries, but for example closer. The conclusion is that the Allies can not give you anything, I mean knowledge?
        Kazakh?
        1. vell.65mail.ru
          vell.65mail.ru 8 October 2013 12: 56 New
          +1
          And if you notice, there is a very careful selection.
        2. Zymran
          Zymran 8 October 2013 15: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: Gleb
          okay, the authorities decide, but why do you welcome it? The Kazakhstan and US Army have similar strategic approaches that you decided to draw knowledge there? Do you have the same fleet, aviation, etc. ...? Who are you planning to fight with according to American tactics? and attack strategies? judging


          Obviously, you can learn a lot from them.

          Quote: Gleb
          Kazakh?


          Kazakh.
          1. Sibiryak
            Sibiryak 8 October 2013 22: 29 New
            -1
            Quote: Zymran
            Obviously, you can learn a lot from them.

            Of course, for example, how to deceive your neighbor, this is always !!!
    2. hommer
      hommer 8 October 2013 13: 36 New
      11
      Quote: Manager
      They are yes, but where are you with your militia? Imperial ambitions?


      Yes, there are no imperial ambitions and thank God. Kazakhstan delimited the border with all its neighbors, and agreements were signed. And we keep and train our army.
      I give a note -


      Training officers for the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan is one of the primary tasks. Thanks to this, several types of educational institutions operate in the country, including secondary and higher education. Secondary education is provided by:
      Military Institute of the Ground Forces;
      Naval Institute;
      Military College of Sports SK MO RK;
      Cadet Corps of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan;
      Republican School "Zhas-Ulan";
      Republican military boarding schools.
      Republican military boarding schools are located in the cities of Almaty, Shymkent, Karaganda. They are managed by the Ministry of Education and Science of the Republic of Kazakhstan. The term of study in the republican military boarding schools is two years - 10th and 11th grades.
      Higher education of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan is represented by the following educational institutions:
      National University of Defense;
      Military Institute of the Ground Forces;
      Military Institute of the Air Defense Forces. T.Ya. Begeldinova;
      Military Engineering Institute of Radio Electronics and Communications;
      Naval Institute;
      Military Institute of Foreign Languages;
      Military departments at civilian educational institutions.

      The opening of the sergeant academy is planned.

      Currently, Kazakhstani military personnel are trained in more than 14 higher military educational institutions of the Ground Forces, а also in four schools of the Air Defense Forces of Russia. The training of Kazakhstani military personnel in Russian military educational institutions is based on the Agreement of March 28, 1994 between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan on military cooperation and the Agreement of the countries of the CIS member states of March 6, 1998 on the development of cooperation in the field of training military personnel.

      In addition, cooperation with the United States, China, Turkey, France, Germany, the Republic of Korea, India and Pakistan has been established in the field of training military personnel of the armed forces of Kazakhstan. So at the Academy of the Bundeswehr, the Military Medical Academy of the Bundeswehr, the University of the Bundeswehr, about 20 people study, at the Academy of the Ground Forces, the School of the Navy, the School of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Turkey more than 40 people are trained. At the Command and Staff College of France, at the Academy of the Navy of Korea and the Command and Staff College of the Ground Forces of India and Pakistan, one officer of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan is trained.

      We need knowledge, knowledge. And do not rush charges of betrayal.
  • tulpar
    tulpar 8 October 2013 12: 19 New
    +3
    it’s absolutely true that it’s not shameful to adopt the best from the US Army, and not only the USA.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 October 2013 14: 11 New
      +4
      Quote: tulpar
      it’s absolutely true that it’s not shameful to adopt the best from the US Army, and not only the USA.

      tak v temu))))))))))
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  • velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 8 October 2013 12: 27 New
    +4
    Quote: Zymran
    Get acquainted with the advanced tactics of the country with the most powerful army in the world

    What is this statement based on? On the volume of the military budget, the quantitative and qualitative composition of the armed forces? Mobilization opportunities of the economy in particular and the state as a whole? Despite the advertising of its armed forces, the United States has not won a single war against a serious adversary today.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 8 October 2013 12: 33 New
      -4
      It’s just that the USA has no serious opponents, because they have a powerful army.
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 8 October 2013 13: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Zymran
        the US has no serious opponents

        ...in Africa. But what about Kazakhstan, did it in any way surrender to the adversary without a fight?
      2. Sochi
        Sochi 8 October 2013 14: 10 New
        +4
        It’s just that the United States does not fight serious opponents, they understand that this is lottery and there are almost no chances to win.
      3. GDP
        GDP 8 October 2013 14: 57 New
        +1
        The USSR compared to Germany in 41 had the same significant quantitative and qualitative superiority, but a significant part of these weapons remained rusted in the occupied territory in the very first months or was used against ourselves. Only an indestructible spirit, will and desire for victory helped us to win.
      4. DmitriRazumov
        DmitriRazumov 8 October 2013 15: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: Zymran
        It’s just that the USA has no serious opponents, because they have a powerful army.

        At the time, Nazi Germany believed that she had a powerful army ...
      5. Alex Nick
        Alex Nick 8 October 2013 17: 33 New
        -7
        Just like the Kazakhs
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 8 October 2013 17: 35 New
          10
          it's Koreans)))
        2. T80UM1
          T80UM1 8 October 2013 21: 18 New
          +4
          Moreover, the North Koreans, ege in action. The complete ignorance of the current generation ...
  • aleksandroff
    aleksandroff 8 October 2013 12: 28 New
    +3
    firstly, who said that she was the most powerful, if she had not won a single victory, and had never really grappled with a normal opponent. and what tactics we can talk about. and stupidity surprises me, do they really think in Kazakhstan that they will not recruit the CIA. recruits 100%. and the Americans need Kazakhstan to dirty Russia. they do not need a customs union. and these paramilitary who will come from there will be needed in Kazakhstan to, for example, remove Nazarbayev. sorry for you Kazakhs, you too succumbed to candy wrappers, did not expect from you. we passed it in due time. look at our experience. we were almost ruined under good intentions. I did not expect this from the Kazakhs. they thought and the most intelligent Belarusians turned out to be, but no, something is missing. probably a color revolution.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 8 October 2013 12: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: aleksandroff
      firstly, who said she was the most powerful if she did not win a single victory


      facespalm

      Quote: aleksandroff
      m do not need a customs union. and these paramilitary who will come from there will be needed in Kazakhstan to, for example, remove Nazarbayev


      Yeah. 4 person. fool
      1. aleksandroff
        aleksandroff 8 October 2013 12: 49 New
        +2
        tell about their victories. and everything is just beginning until 4 people.
      2. alone
        alone 8 October 2013 19: 42 New
        +5
        Quote: aleksandroff
        they do not need a customs union. and these paramilitary who will come from there will be needed in Kazakhstan to, for example, remove Nazarbayev.


        Quote: Zymran
        Yeah. 4 person.


        belay if 4 people can change power in Kazakhstan, Nazarbayev would not be in power for a long time
  • predator.3
    predator.3 8 October 2013 13: 15 New
    +6
    Quote: Zymran
    Kazakhstan does not see the United States as an enemy. And so, yes. It will never hurt to get acquainted with the country's advanced tactics with the most powerful army in the world.


    I don’t know with what tactics they will be familiarized with there, but they’ll be recruited specifically, we also seem to have had an internship at Harvard, in economics, we are still raking!
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 October 2013 13: 25 New
      +5
      Quote: predator.3

      I don’t know with what tactics they will be familiarized with there, but they’ll be recruited specifically, we also seem to have had an internship at Harvard, in economics, we are still raking!

      and now the citizens of Russia do not study at Harvard ???))
      What are you fooling everyone with ?? ??))
      America is a partner for Russia, and should everyone else be the enemy?))
      but it turns out like in the picture?))))))))))))
      1. predator.3
        predator.3 8 October 2013 13: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        and now the citizens of Russia do not study at Harvard ???))

        Perished that not a single plant (except for oil refineries) in a million cities.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 8 October 2013 14: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: predator.3
          Perished that not a single plant (except for oil refineries) in a million cities.

          So why continue to send to study and eat ??))
          What masochists or something ????
          1. predator.3
            predator.3 8 October 2013 14: 28 New
            0
            Quote: Yarbay
            So why continue to send to study and eat ??))
            What masochists or something ????

            This is a question for Vovan Vovanitch and ivy!
        2. Troy
          Troy 8 October 2013 15: 36 New
          0
          Omsk? Or I'm wrong?
      2. DmitriRazumov
        DmitriRazumov 8 October 2013 15: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Yarbay
        and now the citizens of Russia do not study at Harvard ???))
        What are you fooling everyone with ?? ??))
        America is a partner for Russia, and should everyone else be the enemy?))

        In diplomatic language, the word "partner" usually means "not a friend", but at least a rival.
        At one time, I studied at the Academy of National Economy and State Service under the President of the Russian Federation with teachers who. passed for unmeasured money training at Harvard. So the general opinion was that this "training" is just the sale of diplomas and an American show on various "relevant" topics. Those. Americans are effectively selling their image to suckers as the highest form of business!
  • FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 8 October 2013 14: 49 New
    +7
    Envy here and minus.
    But in fact, of course it’s a good thing, to learn is generally always useful.
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 8 October 2013 15: 41 New
    +2
    Agree what is needed "It never hurts to get acquainted with the country's advanced tactics with the most powerful army in the world." - but, most importantly, so that these do not drag us into peacekeeping battalions as it was in Iraq, we do not need to be enemies of the sovereign republics, which the United States has deprived of this sovereignty.
    We have time to fight, out, China is at hand, soon the dragon can show its teeth, so it would send a spy to the military. =)
  • Airman
    Airman 8 October 2013 16: 15 New
    -4
    Quote: Zymran
    Kazakhstan does not see the United States as an enemy. And so, yes. It will never hurt to get acquainted with the country's advanced tactics with the most powerful army in the world.

    No matter how you feed the wolf, he looks into the forest. No matter how much you help the Kazakhs, they like the Americans more. First 2, then 4, this is a geometric progression. Put the question as follows: either we are preparing specialists for you, or Americans, with all the ensuing consequences. But our powers that be do not care about everything, if only they do not interfere with their "beautiful" life.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 8 October 2013 16: 34 New
      +5
      Quote: Povshnik
      No matter how you feed the wolf, he looks into the forest. How many Kazakhs do not help, but they like Americans more.


      I would not say that we like Americans. But Kazakhs usually do not hate them.
      How do you help by the way? We provide you with gas transit at a cheap price; you sell it to Europe in three ways.
      1. Airman
        Airman 8 October 2013 18: 29 New
        -1
        Quote: Zymran

        How do you help by the way? We provide you with gas transit at a cheap price; you sell it to Europe in three ways.

        We are driving our gas to Europe, and if you “don’t see” help, ask the “president” where it is, in whose pockets.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 8 October 2013 18: 39 New
          +7
          A reference to "help" in the studio, otherwise I did not get through to him. You get 7 billion cubic meters of gas from Karachaganak.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 8 October 2013 22: 57 New
            +4
            Zimran, good night! You gave a good example of mutually beneficial cooperation. The history of this issue is as follows. In Orenburg there is a gas processing complex. Gas from Karachaganak is supplied for processing. But at one time Russia began to ask a lot for this. Then the investors and the government of the Republic of Kazakhstan decided to build their own. The issue price is 2 billion dollars. And this plant without our gas for nothing GAZPROMY is not necessary. In the end, time prevailed. Pytin and Nazarbayev, at a meeting on cross-border cooperation, agreed that Kazakhstan would buy 50% of this plant for 1 billion and give work to Orenburg residents fellow . But what further was I do not know. But it seems like peace and quiet - it means everything is in order - Nazarbayev, as always, squeezed foreigners to this symmy. Yes, I forgot, another 10% of Karachaganak in favor of Kazakhstan squeezed out of the consortium laughing - there ecology and fines for failure to meet deadlines, etc. etc. .
            PILO, hello! I just want to remind you that the gold and currency reserves of Kazakhstan at the moment are under 92 billion dollars (more per dyshy population than in Russia). And we are not poor relatives.
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 8 October 2013 23: 05 New
              +4
              And to you, good night Kasym. Only I Zymran, not Zimran. First wanted to be called Zalym, but it seemed too defiant. =)
  • Walking
    Walking 8 October 2013 19: 20 New
    +7
    Is this news? Back in 2000, when I was working in the military enlistment office, I sent 1 guy to West Point by decision of the Moscow Region, as well as candidates for Russian military schools.
  • igorelo
    igorelo 8 October 2013 22: 03 New
    -2
    Americans wipe the filthy mother of Russia, they will soon receive amperes on the neck, you look will return Alaska
  • Beibit
    Beibit 8 October 2013 11: 16 New
    30
    I don’t understand ours why they need it. it’s understandable that there the CIA will process them and they will return as agents.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 8 October 2013 11: 21 New
      +3
      Yamamoto studied in the USA kag ba ...
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 8 October 2013 11: 39 New
        +8
        Quote: Zymran
        Yamamoto studied in the US Kag Be

        And "our" Navalny was also wiping his pants in Yale, but there is only one conclusion ...
    2. Semurg
      Semurg 8 October 2013 11: 56 New
      +2
      Beibit of our "Bolashak members" in your opinion, they will also process everyone, let them sit and not study?
      1. Beibit
        Beibit 8 October 2013 12: 27 New
        +4
        so after all, they themselves go to be processed. learn the capitalist system. man to man is a wolf. if a student is a programmer, then learn to program you will be rich and politics and economics are none of your business. and those who went into politics and economics, they teach according to the Western system their ideology is different and the program. they will learn that the CIS countries are behind them because their approach is not correct. we (in the west) are doing well. we must do everything our way. and the student learning this x ... will do it. and you see the country will go along the west: debauchery and loss of values, complete degradation as a person. So brother look where the wind blows ...
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 8 October 2013 13: 20 New
          +8
          Beibit. Our students study everywhere in Russia and in the West and in the East and Nazarbayev University is opened where invited professors with a name and experience teach you think this is bad, why are you urging you to close in your territory following the example of China and Japan for the past century? Knowledge needs to be taken from the whole world to be processed and applied at home, as our ancestors have done for thousands of years, and I believe that our youth will do it, they may not be like grown ups in the USSR, but they love their homeland no less than ours and I think they’ll build the state is prosperous and successful.
    3. rolik
      rolik 8 October 2013 12: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: Beibit
      I don’t understand ours why they need it.

      And this is to resist China. since his officer cadres were brought up on the postulates of the USSR army. But I don’t think that American tactics are stronger than Soviet.
      1. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 8 October 2013 12: 25 New
        +6
        Quote: rolik
        But I don’t think that American tactics are stronger than Soviet
        Of course not stronger, but you need to know it. Knowledge has never been superfluous.
        1. avt
          avt 8 October 2013 12: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Andrey KZ
          Of course not stronger, but you need to know it. Knowledge has never been superfluous.

          When they want to really know, do not send cadets officially. There are quite a few alternative methods of gaining knowledge. This is how Ovid Gorchakov publicly voiced this for the first time in our time. By the way, an interesting character.
    4. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 October 2013 14: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Beibit
      I don’t understand ours why they need it. it’s understandable that there the CIA will process them and they will return as agents.

      You think very primitively!
      Not just a person to recruit as you put it)))))
      and not always necessary)))
      What is everyone who studies and studied in Russia, recruited?)))))))))))))
    5. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 8 October 2013 14: 50 New
      +6
      Children and immediate relatives of almost all deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, members of the Council of Federations, senior officials of the regional and federal levels, prominent cultural figures and media representatives study or train in US educational institutions. Why citizens of Kazakhstan can not follow their example. In the Republic of Kazakhstan there is a Soul program , for the selection and referral of young people to study in the USA.
  • Aryan
    Aryan 8 October 2013 12: 32 New
    +2
    but then who is the CIA spy in Kazakhstan
    It will be completely not burned !!! laughing bully
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 8 October 2013 15: 35 New
    +1
    I think so, the main thing is not to be recruited, and why really learn from a potential enemy? maybe to know them better? as they say, be closer to friends and closer to enemies.
  • karimbaev
    karimbaev 8 October 2013 17: 16 New
    +3
    The United States and the European Union are not our enemy, on the contrary, they counterbalance pressure in the Central Asian region, get acquainted with the advanced army and study their experience in the introduction of military operations
    1. Aryan
      Aryan 8 October 2013 23: 30 New
      0
      Who knows ... when he learned from Wikileaks about his Moldovan rulers
      and the american embassy
      that was shocked

      since
      watching myself
      be careful bully
  • demeen1
    demeen1 9 October 2013 22: 28 New
    0
    No, this is to show that "my son" has an American abstraction.
  • svp67
    svp67 8 October 2013 11: 02 New
    +4
    Next year, the defense department of Kazakhstan will send four Kazakhstanis to study in the USA, the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan said.
    I would very much like for the secret pockets of this four to be the official identity card of the GRU of the Russian Federation ...
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 8 October 2013 11: 18 New
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      I would very much like for the secret pockets of this four to be the official identity card of the GRU of the Russian Federation ...


      Special services of the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan are interacting. Imho.
      1. avt
        avt 8 October 2013 11: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: Apollon
        Special services of the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan are interacting. Imho.

        laughing Yes, the knights of the cloak and the dagger "always have a rather peculiar" friendship "even among themselves within the same state.
    2. Zymran
      Zymran 8 October 2013 11: 23 New
      +6
      Do you seriously think that they will teach something that represents military secrets?
      1. avt
        avt 8 October 2013 11: 28 New
        +5
        Quote: Zymran
        Do you seriously think that they will teach something that represents military secrets?

        Correctly pose the question. Always and everywhere for countries that do not have the opportunity to train specialists in this or another field themselves, their cadets are considered and try to prepare as agents of influence and the ruling elite in the interests of the training side. This naturally applies to Russia. It is one thing when you pull out specialists for training in your own country, another thing when you give a person abroad for the milky-wax age for five years.
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 8 October 2013 13: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      lay the official identity card of the GRU of the Russian Federation ...


      Agent Gro has no identity laughing but there is a collaboration wassat but it is not stored in your pocket))))))))) by the way, you can send a request to the GRU ....... fellow
    4. T80UM1
      T80UM1 9 October 2013 06: 47 New
      +1
      GRU in my opinion Serdyukov closed ...
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 9 October 2013 06: 51 New
        0
        it’s only in your opinion. but in our opinion no one closed
        1. T80UM1
          T80UM1 9 October 2013 08: 41 New
          +1
          I confess not in the subject, I'm glad that his dirty hands did not reach the GRU, but they wrote something that he reduced the GRU special forces or simplified the department
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 9 October 2013 08: 44 New
            0
            there was a reorganization, reduction, but not liquidation
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 9 October 2013 09: 10 New
              +2
              such organizations should be strictly forbidden to reduce, and even more to eliminate.
              1. T80UM1
                T80UM1 9 October 2013 09: 44 New
                0
                Yes, only a traitor Serdyukov could do that.
                1. Hleb
                  Hleb 9 October 2013 09: 54 New
                  0
                  really only Serdyukov.one! the main culprit. not the Security Council, not the presidential administration, not the president and the Federation Council, but only Serdyukov! personally! got it in my head, took it and ratified it in one helmet!
                  1. T80UM1
                    T80UM1 9 October 2013 10: 11 New
                    0
                    according to his reforms, it turns out that this is so, since there was the tacit consent of everyone else ...
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 October 2013 11: 10 New
    +2
    This is news (blow in the stomach)! the Americans will teach them there how to arrange "houses" and remain in the shadows ... bully
    1. avt
      avt 8 October 2013 11: 20 New
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Here is the news (blow under the breath)!

      Quote: svp67
      I would very much like for the secret pockets of this four to be the official identity card of the GRU of the Russian Federation ..

      laughing Well, you are just like children!
      Quote: mirag2
      Gentlemen from Kazakhstan! What do you think about this?

      Well, even without "comrades from the localities" it is known and never hidden - "multi-vector policy". And actually what is so unexpected and incomprehensible? There is a Big Game, so the players are playing, in this case, the Naglo-Saxons are buying chips to put them on the line. You need to be quieter, less emotions and shouts about the “allies”, brotherly peoples ”there. The winner is the one who suppresses emotions in time and thinks well.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 8 October 2013 11: 53 New
        10
        Quote: avt
        You need to be calmer, less emotions and shouts about the "allies", brotherly peoples "there.

        That's what I'm talking about. We are looking for "relatives" all the time, like orphans.
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 8 October 2013 11: 14 New
    +1
    about Gro +100!
  • Luga
    Luga 8 October 2013 11: 17 New
    +1
    But it’s interesting.
    There were a few questions:
    1. Military cooperation between Kazakhstan and the states is limited to training military specialists?
    2. Do the students from Kazakhstan study in Russian, Chinese or other foreign military universities, in what quantity?
    3. Should Russia send dozens of people to study for the military in the states? Or have they been studying there for a long time now, incognito? wink
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 8 October 2013 11: 20 New
      +7
      1. Equipment seems to be transferred sometimes.
      2. In Russian they study, I do not know about China. Learn also in Turkey.
      3.And they do not study there by accident?
      1. alone
        alone 8 October 2013 19: 49 New
        +4
        correctly say, studying abroad, especially the military, is useful in everything. Especially in technical terms, because officers have the opportunity to get acquainted with advanced systems.

        P.S. The training of our cadets-pilots in Western countries has led to the fact that the pilots of the Azerbaijani Air Force are able to control both Russian and NATO aircraft. What is wrong with that?
  • major071
    major071 8 October 2013 11: 18 New
    +6
    To know the enemy better, you need to study it from the inside. I hope only this guided the defense department of Kazakhstan.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 8 October 2013 11: 41 New
      +6
      I don’t think that the United States is an enemy for Kazakhstan today. The military science and military affairs of the United States should be studied in the United States itself, and not from outside its borders, and West Point is the focus of its military science and affairs. This is what I think and is guided by the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan. In Kazakhstan, the Bolashak program has been operating for many years, according to which thousands of our students have already studied or studied abroad, and the state pays for their studies, and military science is no exception here, our cadets study both in Russia and in others Not long ago, Xi Zengping, during his visit to Kazakhstan, announced that in the near future he would open a line for studying at Chinese universities for 10 thousand people at the expense of the Chinese budget, I think there will be a certain quota for studying at military universities in China. Probably knowledge in all spheres of human activity should be obtained, or at least try to get everywhere and then, having processed it at the local level, apply it for the good of your country.
      1. tulpar
        tulpar 8 October 2013 12: 34 New
        +6
        Azerbaijani officer who graduated from West Point with honors. There should be no doubt more such personnel. Universities of the USA, Germany, South Caucasus, Israel are not necessarily suitable.
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 8 October 2013 19: 57 New
          0
          Ah ah ah. Why are you cheating dear. Where's the mustache, the black eyes? No, he is not Azerbaijani. laughing
          1. tulpar
            tulpar 9 October 2013 10: 10 New
            +4
            your mustache has come unstuck wassat
          2. tulpar
            tulpar 9 October 2013 11: 09 New
            +2
            Quote: ed65b
            Where's the mustache, the black eyes?

            Well, not everyone is like you wassat
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 8 October 2013 11: 21 New
    +5
    West Point, Navy Academy, Navy Academy, and US Coast Guard Academy.


    To be honest, the Soviet academies, and now the Russian ones, give much more than the American ones. And so just the crust or candy wrapper will be different among Kazakh cadets .... well, in short, regular show-offs.
    Kazakh without Ponte is a bespont Kazakh.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 8 October 2013 11: 22 New
      +7
      Quote: Scandinavian
      To be honest, the Soviet academies, and now the Russian ones, give much more than the American ones.


      Why do you think so?

      Quote: Scandinavian
      Kazakh without Ponte is a bespont Kazakh.


      This is yes. wink
      1. Scandinavian
        Scandinavian 8 October 2013 11: 40 New
        +4
        Russian military science has a much richer history than star-striped. The origins go back to Peter 1, it was he who created the first military academies. And if you look at the statistics, then Russia had to participate in stronger wars to defend its middle name. And the one who is more often involved in global wars is accordingly more experienced. The winners of the wars are not judged. And the accumulated experience is transferred from one generation to another.

        Therefore, West Point is nonsense in comparison, for example, with the General Staff Academy. Yes, and other Russian academies.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 8 October 2013 11: 43 New
          0
          Modern warfare is a completely different matter than the wars of the Petrine era. By the way, I don’t think that the Academy of the General Staff of the Russian Federation has such a capricious attitude towards US military science.
        2. Semurg
          Semurg 8 October 2013 11: 48 New
          0
          Today, the United States is the most warring country and the experience of modern wars in both Russia and the United States Defense Ministry of Kazakhstan should be studied and preferably from the inside in their military academies.
          1. rolik
            rolik 8 October 2013 12: 08 New
            +8
            Quote: Semurg
            Today the United States is the most warring country

            The most warring with a known, several orders of magnitude, weaker opponent. Moreover, the warrior is always in the crowd of other countries. The last big war - Vietnam, where the mattresses acted on their own, ended badly for them. And in order for the army to really be at the highest level, it is necessary to choose the enemy in terms of size. A recent example of Syria. As soon as they realized in the most powerful army in the world that they could get lule, they worked back. Thank you, we helped them with dignity, more or less, move away.
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 8 October 2013 12: 21 New
              0
              Russia also recently took part in beating a baby (Georgia). In Syria, the United States achieved its goal, depriving Assad of the opportunity to inflict a chemical strike on Israel when it squeezes hard. And they will remove him in one way or another when they consider it necessary and profitable, either by themselves or with the help "friends". Russia has done its best here.
              1. rolik
                rolik 8 October 2013 12: 37 New
                +7
                Quote: Semurg
                Russia also recently participated in the beating of a baby (Georgia)

                Now feel the difference)))) Unlike mattress mats, we were not the first to attack the "baby" Georgia and beat him. Or is it not so ???
                And now about the possibility of Assad to strike a chemical strike on Israel. that is, you admit that Israel is ready to start a war against Syria FIRST ???? That is, he is an aggressor. For the Israeli army chemical. Assad's weapons do not bring much trouble. First of all, it is dangerous for the civilian population. And Assad has something, besides chemistry, to hit the cities of the peaceful inhabitants of Israel. And a bike about chem. the weapon was just an excuse to start a new one, notice the first blow again inflicts mattress, aggression. But things didn't go the way the mattress covers would have liked. They were not supported by so many countries that it was possible to put together another organized criminal group to raid ONE country. I draw your attention to the fact that again it was supposed to be a bunch of countries, and not one of the most powerful army in the world. And Russia, which under the LADY surrendered Libya, this time, here is a radish, did not want to surrender Syria. On the contrary, it was not only mate who came to her defense. values ​​but also political support. You know the result. The mattress mates retreated with their heads "proudly" raised, it only seems to them so))))))) In fact, they completely failed as a leading world power and in the future it will come back to haunt them many times.
                Well, Russia and Syria are simply handsome in this situation, the party was played as if by notes))))) With which I congratulate everyone)))
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 8 October 2013 13: 33 New
                  +9
                  The regular army and conventional weapons do not pose any threat to Israel, all previous wars between them have proved this, and if it were not for the position of the USSR, the Merkavas would have long been driving around Damascus, chasing Arvbs through the basements. The only significant human and economic damage (contamination of the area and water) could inflict chemical weapons that will now begin to destroy. You will be against, but for me, Russia and the United States played the old game called "good bad cop" by pushing Assad to the wall and taking away his only argument of strength against Israel. so we have different views of who played with whom and what.
                  1. rolik
                    rolik 8 October 2013 14: 58 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Semurg
                    if not for the position of the USSR

                    Exactly, the position of the USSR then, and the position of Russia now. Once again, chem. weapon against army nonsense. It is effective against civilians, and this is a completely different calico. Then, even with all the desire, Russia could not defend Assad. He would go into the category of war criminals for killing so many civilians. That is precisely why he did not use it. And getting rid of him with such calm, he makes it clear that chem. weapons are something to replace. For this, even ammunition of a volume explosion is suitable, the effect of using the city is very powerful and there is no subsequent chemical infection of the territory, as you burn.
                    And about a good and a bad cop, it’s certainly interesting. An interesting thought, but incorrect.
                    1. GDP
                      GDP 8 October 2013 15: 10 New
                      +1
                      Israel has nothing to replace with nuclear weapons, and now Siri doesn’t even have chemical weapons. The state of the army and the economy is very difficult. What will Syria respond to the bombing of Israel?
                      1. rolik
                        rolik 8 October 2013 16: 44 New
                        0
                        Quote: GDP
                        What will Syria respond to the bombing of Israel?

                        I will list briefly. MLRS Hurricane, Tornado (whichever is available), tactical missiles Scud, Tochka U. If with the area (city) then the effect will be very convincing.
                        And if Israel uses nuclear weapons, in such a small patch of space this will not work for Israel just like that.
                      2. GDP
                        GDP 8 October 2013 17: 19 New
                        0
                        I would have supplemented with yachts and Iskander missiles, but all the same, Syria now has a little strength. She cannot restore order in her own country. There is no strong rear; a third of all military equipment was ground in the war. Yes, there is now an incomparable combat experience.
                        But it seems to me that this is not enough, all the same they are utterly weaker than Israel. But Israel is unlikely to use nuclear weapons for sure, at least if they are not driven into a corner.
                        But if Israel, along with Turkey, falls on Syria, nothing will help them.
                  2. Semurg
                    Semurg 8 October 2013 15: 26 New
                    +1
                    roller.cardinal difference USSR armed Syria Russia disarmed it and who will give Assad in today's realities to replace one weapon with another and the money is dumb and half of the country is dumb and sanctions, etc. At the expense of the "cops" if Russia begins to arm Assad and send instructors, I will believe, but if this is not a clean layout.
                    1. GDP
                      GDP 8 October 2013 15: 32 New
                      0
                      It sends ... believe ... and not only instructors. I also doubted :) There are undeniable facts ...
                    2. rolik
                      rolik 8 October 2013 16: 27 New
                      0
                      Quote: Semurg
                      USSR armed Syria Russia disarmed

                      What did you arm? chemical weapons ??? Interesting, interesting, more details about this fact. He’s armed with conventional weapons, and we are now supplying conventional weapons and air defense systems. As for the money, it’s mute, it’s also an anti-resent thought, recently Iran has been a lot of money for Syria as a loot)))) Well, plus the shuttle raids of our BDK to Tartus. or do you think they are taking contraception to Syria?)))
            2. aleksandroff
              aleksandroff 8 October 2013 12: 45 New
              +6
              it's in beating which baby. so the Georgians, cool warriors, they just learned from the Americans. and they were not beaten. and drove out gently. if they had beaten, then the Russian paratroopers would have long been pissing at the corners of the palace of their president. tell me what kind of army could do this, stop at the borders and not capture Georgia. this once again speaks of the peacefulness of the Russians. and she’s not a first-class army. and no longer a powerful state. just look without pink glasses. public debt when it comes around. that’s as if you weren’t colored.
            3. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 8 October 2013 13: 01 New
              +5
              Quote: Semurg
              Russia also recently participated in the beating of a baby (Georgia)

              This baby is frostbitten for the most I do not want.
              Quote: Semurg
              In Syria, the United States achieved its goal deprived Assad of the opportunity to deliver a chemical blow to Israel

              And everyone says that Russia stopped the warrior. And that's how it is, America got what it wanted. I recall that America wants to overthrow Assad as soon as three years
            4. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 8 October 2013 13: 49 New
              +8
              Quote: Semurg
              Russia also recently participated in the beating of a baby (Georgia).

              Our soldiers were killed in Georgia and the base was actually destroyed (this is about peacekeepers), neither in Libya, nor in Syria, nor in Iraq did anyone attack American soldiers, treacherously killed American citizens. What’s called, feel the difference, this is a remark about innocent babies.
              1. Sergh
                Sergh 8 October 2013 14: 26 New
                +2
                Quote: Semurg
                Russia and the United States played the old good bad cop game by pushing Assad to the wall and taking away his only strength against Israel, so we have different views of who played with whom and what.

                And I probably imagined that for two and a half years from the American scene a female monkey named Hillary was shouting: "... Assad must leave!"
                And when Putin threw up his idea, this is about chemistry, note, before that there was not a word about it, the ostracized "well-wishers" came up with a sequel on the fly, like Putin and Obama secretly in collusion, lure Assad out of chemical weapons, so that in a month Israel will attack Syria to general applause. Complete myopia and insanity. Analyze more attentively, not other people's brains.
                1. rolik
                  rolik 8 October 2013 16: 31 New
                  0
                  Quote: Sergh
                  "we came up with a sequel on the fly, like Putin and Obama secretly in cahoots

                  well, it’s necessary to somehow justify the approximate kick-ass of the mattresses))))) They washed the mattress, respectively, they are very offended, well, it starts, in their best traditions, turning the facts in their favor)))) Only here on Mother Earth everything is all , excluding a small percentage, they saw everything perfectly. We saw what mattresses hm.s.shniki if you seriously talk to them))))
        3. xetai9977
          xetai9977 8 October 2013 12: 25 New
          0
          Like someone or not, but the United States is by far the most powerful state in the world with a first-class army. And to study their experience will not hurt.
          1. rolik
            rolik 8 October 2013 12: 42 New
            +6
            Quote: xetai9977
            And to study their experience will not hurt.

            Study. Georgia has already studied))))
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 8 October 2013 13: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: rolik
              Study. Georgia has already studied))))

              Mlyn))) what a blessing that Russia managed to defeat little Georgia having lost almost half of the aircraft)))))
              What would they be proud of and who would they laugh at?))))))))))
              1. avt
                avt 8 October 2013 14: 06 New
                0
                Quote: Yarbay
                what a blessing that Russia managed to defeat little Georgia, having lost almost half of its aviation

                On emotions, please be stupid to assert ala Zadornov. In Ossetia, we fought with the Amers, who very well armed their vassals, trained, brought up specialists to command and technical positions and fully supervised the operation, even the PR action was not entrusted to the Georgians, they themselves did it through specialists attached to Sahak. So the test for "lice" GDP passed, in contrast to Boris the All-drunk in Serbia, and the Americans also learned a lesson in relation to the correspondence of his words and actions, which shows Syria. They do not go stupidly into the forehead.
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                2. romb
                  romb 8 October 2013 16: 56 New
                  +5
                  We fought with amers in Ossetia

                  Go ape....
                  Well, you have a fantasy ....
                  1. Essenger
                    Essenger 8 October 2013 17: 02 New
                    +5
                    Quote: romb
                    We fought with amers in Ossetia

                    Go ape....
                    Well, you have a fantasy ....


                    I thought with zombies))))))
                3. alone
                  alone 8 October 2013 19: 53 New
                  +4
                  Quote: avt
                  In Ossetia, we fought with the amers, who armed their vassals very well, trained, pulled specialists to command and technical positions and completely supervised the operation, we didn’t even trust the Georgians with the PR action, we did it ourselves through specialists attached to Sahak



                  Dad, are Georgians Americans?

                  no son, it's fantastic !!
              2. GDP
                GDP 8 October 2013 15: 25 New
                +2
                In the war with Georgia, Russia lost half of its aircraft ??? Why not all? !! Etozh need to brainwash people like that ?! That's who we need to learn from our propaganda! Georgia shamefully lost the war, for all the benefits of its position (beyond the Caucasus ridge), the presence of a large number of modern weapons, serious international support led by the United States, could not provide any serious resistance. The same Chechnya, without heavy weapons, spoiled Russia’s blood for years, and the cargo collapsed to its knees after 5 days. Even Amirica cannot boast of such a lightning-fast and successful operation ...
                As for losses, study the numbers more carefully.
                1. rolik
                  rolik 8 October 2013 16: 36 New
                  +2
                  Quote: GDP
                  In the war with Georgia, Russia lost half of its aircraft ??? Why not all? !! Well, it’s necessary to brainwash people like that ?!

                  Do not rinse the brains)))) but just a separate individual the jamb did not blow out by itself)))) From this, probably, such clever thoughts. And if you now go on the Karabakh issue, imagine what a squeal with saliva rises))))
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 8 October 2013 12: 59 New
            +4
            Quote: xetai9977
            And to study their experience will not hurt.

            Their experience brings chaos, but not victory
            They know how to fight, only with the weak.
          3. T80UM1
            T80UM1 8 October 2013 13: 55 New
            +4
            their army is not first-class - the main reason it is hired, the IDF in this case is a cut above the American army
            1. rolik
              rolik 8 October 2013 16: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: T80UM1
              IDF in this case is a cut above

              What about the IDF compared to mattresses? So yes, the mattresses did not stand next to them. The IDF makes them once or twice.
              1. Essenger
                Essenger 9 October 2013 10: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: rolik
                The IDF makes them once or twice.


                It seems to me that Tzahal is doing it all at once and turning you on.
        4. Manager
          Manager 8 October 2013 12: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: Semurg
          Today the United States is the most warring country

          The most warring now is Syria. And the most warring is the Islamists in general)) Here they are pouring the norms of lyuli to Amer around the planet with the usual AK and RPG.
          1. GDP
            GDP 8 October 2013 15: 39 New
            0
            And they (alkaide) also pay money for this, and now they will again supply arms, albeit not directly as in Afghanistan ...
      2. sven27
        sven27 8 October 2013 13: 45 New
        +1
        [quote = Scandinavian] Russian military science has a much richer history than star-striped. The origins go back to Peter the 1st, it was he who created the first military academies. And if you look at the statistics, then Russia had to participate in stronger wars to defend its middle name.
        This is our weakness. The strength of America is that it has not allowed more than one war on its territory, and still not one power has not decided to challenge it
  • Essenger
    Essenger 8 October 2013 12: 46 New
    +9
    Quote: Scandinavian
    Kazakh without Ponte is a bespont Kazakh.


    ahahah) good
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 8 October 2013 13: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: Scandinavian
    To be honest, the Soviet academies, and now the Russian ones, give much more than the American ones.

    Well yes)))) and how many academies did you graduate from?)))
  • T80UM1
    T80UM1 8 October 2013 13: 53 New
    -1
    Now in Russia it’s not academies but universities, not schools but institutes, according to the responses of experienced warriors after Serdyukov’s reforms they teach much worse than in the USA ...
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 October 2013 11: 27 New
    +3
    Another injection of Russia! I think so ... What can they teach them there? How to bomb with impunity the cities of small countries ???
    1. both s69
      both s69 8 October 2013 11: 36 New
      +1
      How to "love" Russia! sad I apologize for the sarcasm.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 8 October 2013 11: 45 New
        +5
        Quote: both-with 69
        How to "love" Russia! sad I apologize for the sarcasm.

        They must love and defend their homeland Kazakhstan.
        1. Manager
          Manager 8 October 2013 12: 44 New
          +3
          Quote: Semurg
          They must love and defend their homeland Kazakhstan.


          Do you have that Kazakhs cannot love their homeland until they fly to the USA? And in which case they also refuse to defend before traveling to the USA?
          1. T80UM1
            T80UM1 8 October 2013 13: 57 New
            0
            We especially begin to "love" the homeland after abroad, often "love" right from there without leaving the cashier ...
  • individual
    individual 8 October 2013 11: 39 New
    +9
    Russia had, is and will only have its allies: "Its own Army, Aviation and Navy."
    Everything else is from the crafty or to play biathlon.
    1. T80UM1
      T80UM1 8 October 2013 13: 58 New
      0
      As well as soccer games, point games and other interesting games ... The basic game is chess
  • Sirs
    Sirs 8 October 2013 11: 45 New
    0
    We should learn something
  • mithridate
    mithridate 8 October 2013 11: 48 New
    0
    this attack should not alert the Russian Federation
  • major071
    major071 8 October 2013 11: 51 New
    +7
    It used to say: Tell me who your friend is, and I will say who you are. Now it’s probably more relevant: Tell me who your army fought with and how many victories you won, and I’ll tell you which country you live in.
  • Zymran
    Zymran 8 October 2013 11: 51 New
    +4
    Once again for those who do not understand.

    The USA is not considered by Kazakhstan as a hostile state. We are not Iran and not North Korea.
    1. veles52
      veles52 8 October 2013 12: 02 New
      -4
      You are not even a sovereign democracy! wink Khan Nazarbay rules you! and Americans like that oh (like sauds). And a good bridgehead - both against China and against Russia. Only in such a situation would you have to return the northern lands to Russia. Yes, and there are documents from the 16-17th centuries on the voluntary joining of Russia, you are our tributaries wink
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 8 October 2013 12: 10 New
        +6
        Quote: veles52
        You are not even a sovereign democracy! wink you are ruled by Khan Nazarbay! and Americans like oh


        Unfortunately, not only Americans like these. He is also quite satisfied with the current leadership of the Russian Federation.

        And a good bridgehead - both against China and against Russia.


        There are no US military bases in Kazakhstan.

        only in such a situation should the northern lands be returned to Russia


        As soon as you give independence to the Tatars, Bashkirs, Yakuts and other peoples. wink

        Quote: veles52
        Yes, and there are documents from the 16-17 centuries on the voluntary entry into Russia, you are our tributaries; wink


        Well, first of all, not the documents of the XNUMXth century. Secondly, no one asked the people if they wanted to integrate, just like now. Thirdly, not joining Russia, but receiving "patronage", that is, patron-client relations. Or if you want a "suzerain-vassal" relationship.
        1. rolik
          rolik 8 October 2013 12: 19 New
          +3
          Quote: Zymran
          As soon as you give independence to the Tatars, Bashkirs, Yakuts and other peoples.

          Are they in slavery here, or what ????
          As for tributaries, this guy got excited of course)))). Only the conquered states pay tribute, and those who voluntarily became part of a larger, stronger, richer power become its full citizens and do not pay tribute anymore, and like all citizens of this country, taxes.
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 8 October 2013 12: 24 New
            +3
            In general, the obligations of the parties were as follows:

            The Kazakhs promised not to attack the borders of the Russian Empire and its peoples. Protect trade routes, i.e. do not "rob cows", pay a certain tribute, or if you want taxes and deploy auxiliary troops if necessary.
            In return, RI provided protection from an external adversary and helped resolve disputes with its subjects.

            It should be noted that both sides perceived the concept of citizenship in different ways.
        2. veles52
          veles52 8 October 2013 12: 45 New
          0
          What "people" in the Middle Ages? "Integration"? - for one word they would pierce with arrows. Re-read "Abai's Way". Yasak, tribute - no difference. You have not yet decided on the Juzes. Once again - there was a voluntary entry into Russia! There was an oath - there is a record in the documents of the Ambassador's order. "Protection" - rejected, read the sources.
    2. Sirs
      Sirs 8 October 2013 12: 03 New
      0
      But the United States believes that Russia is such a state as the DPRK and Iran, and Kazakhstan, do you think the United States loves and protects ???
    3. T80UM1
      T80UM1 8 October 2013 14: 01 New
      0
      Mistake: it’s not considered only by you, at the top they know how to think, because they have given up oil for sale. We are not Iran and North Korea for the time being, until a patriot comes who wants to transfer all the benefits of resources to the people.
  • rereture
    rereture 8 October 2013 11: 55 New
    +6
    oh damn, they are alarmed, but do you care where the Kazakhs study?
    Just to blame someone.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 8 October 2013 11: 58 New
      +8
      Quote: rereture
      oh damn, they are alarmed, but do you care where the Kazakhs study?
      Just to blame someone.

      That you just swept just to wave a saber.
  • K-36
    K-36 8 October 2013 11: 58 New
    -1
    In 2005, I happened to work with a detachment of candidates for astronauts. Along with the Russian guys were in the detachment and two guys from Kazakhstan: Aydin and Mukhtar. Great guys. Only now our almost everyone has launched into space, but something is not heard about the Kazakhs. Here is a photo of that squad:
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 8 October 2013 23: 18 New
      +4
      K-36 (Victor), hello! You hit a very difficult question. Many watched this some time ago. It seems the guys learned (I know for sure that there were a lot of applicants), but not fate. There seems to be the following problem: the crews are registered for many years to come and no country wants to settle. Y all of their merits, but y we don’t have them. And even the location of Baikonur does not play any role. It seems that ours are ready to pay, only everyone (RUSSIA-EUROPE-USA) nod to nod and don’t stop. hi
  • svskor80
    svskor80 8 October 2013 12: 00 New
    +3
    The USA is not considered by Kazakhstan as a hostile state. We are not Iran and not North Korea.


    The question itself is not how Kazakhstan views the United States, but how the United States views Kazakhstan and for what purposes it trains Kazakhs in its military academies. This is obviously not done out of kindness.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 October 2013 12: 00 New
    +2
    Real martial art can only be taught in Russia, since we have gained tremendous experience in this matter (in any military conflicts of the world regional partisan, etc.)! And they always taught (well, almost) disinterestedly .. Now, as I understand it, the Americans decided that their military school is the coolest in the world .. well, well .. (they don’t know how to kick us yet ..) and the teachers found laughter and sin damn !!! !
    1. Kazbek
      Kazbek 8 October 2013 13: 56 New
      +9
      Quote: MIKHAN
      True martial art can only be taught in Russia

      How to cut loot from Serdyukov and his harem?
      Or how can Grozny take two airborne regiments in two hours ?!
      Well, or how TU-22 to send intelligence?
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 8 October 2013 14: 08 New
        +4
        Quote: Kazbek
        his harem?


        I’ll ask you not to touch this topic !!!!!!!! and all the same, the women at Serdyukov’s battalion what’s needed !!!!! we would have to study with you and learn from him !!!!!!!! I'm just crazy about her !!!!! drinks good
        1. T80UM1
          T80UM1 8 October 2013 14: 32 New
          0
          Seriously?? This stranger Vasiliev negative
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 8 October 2013 14: 42 New
            +7
            Quote: T80UM1
            This stranger Vasiliev


            What are you)) 0see ... how she looks ... how she dresses ... recently her picture was ... how she gets in the car ... the figure is just super !!! really .. if I had 19 kg of jewelry, I would also look like Alain Delon ........ laughing
            1. alone
              alone 8 October 2013 19: 56 New
              +4
              tsigel-tsigel ayuli !! ayuli then! Russo official in the form of morality!
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 9 October 2013 00: 53 New
                +2
                Quote: lonely
                tsigel-tsigel ayuli !! ayuli then! Russo official in the form of morality!



                She is first of all a WOMAN !!!!!!!! and then an official !!!! As for bureaucracy, her tricks with the battalion commander will be judged by the court first of all !!!!!!!!! and men, let's evaluate her as WOMAN !! !!!!!!!! good
            2. Kasym
              Kasym 8 October 2013 23: 35 New
              +5
              Yes SMERSH, you see, I completely lost my head. And even "how he gets into the car" I noticed. Yes ... lost another soldier ... a tough case. Azerbaijani temperament is immediately felt fellow . Among the Türks, it’s only y of you that it manifests itself (for me, even the Türks rest). Central Asian - more restrained. drinks . Sorry if something is wrong. I didn’t want to offend anyone. hi
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 9 October 2013 01: 47 New
                +1
                Quote: Kasym
                Yes ... we lost another fighter ... hard case


                Love for a woman knows no barriers .. no boundaries ... no age .... and even wealth !!!!!!!!! how many novels, novels were in the literature .. a poem to a woman from another camp! And on war .. and just like that from the warring side ... the official is understandable .. the official .... but let's look at her as a WOMAN !!!!!!!! good
                and temperament is the sun ... mountains and water))) YOU have the same thing, but in the Caucasus it has its own unique flavor .. smile By the way I am surprised at Serdyukov)) where he found them all at LSU)) his brother also studied there .. but even my sharp eyes did not notice such ones while being there)))))
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 8 October 2013 12: 01 New
    0
    Quote: Zymran
    Modern warfare is a completely different matter than the wars of the Petrine era.

    I did not talk about the wars of the Petrine era. Please do not confuse the muskets with AK - 47, these are two different things. Once again, I want to emphasize that the experience acquired by Russia itself during the reign of Peter the Great to this period is much wider and richer than that of any other country.

    Amerikosy succeeded only in organizing local wars and concealing their defeats by the fourth power of the world, tobish behind the desa of their media - CNN NBC ABC and BBC. Tear up the war in Afghanistan, in Iraq in Libya. And that’s all.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 8 October 2013 12: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Scandinavian
      Amerikosy succeeded only in organizing local wars and concealing their defeats by the fourth power of the world, tobish behind the desa of their media - CNN NBC ABC and BBC. Tear up the war in Afghanistan, in Iraq in Libya. And that’s all.


      How did they prosrali? The armed forces of all the countries you mentioned were easily defeated, the government was overthrown.
      1. rolik
        rolik 8 October 2013 12: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: Zymran
        How did they prosrali?

        So they are great in Afghanistan ???))) What did they achieve there, name the result of their "dzheyatelnosti" Now they come out of there \, not just come out - they take their feet)))) Their experience of the USSR has not taught anything. But unlike them, the Union in Afghanistan built schools and hospitals. And what did they build ??? Except for the burial mounds.
        In Libya, the same situevina, there is no victory in its pure form, the country sends the most "powerful" country in the world in three funny letters)))) and kills the mattress ambassador. awesome result.
        It reminds one of how to break into a tent for sleeping tourists, turn everything over there and quickly dump it so that it does not pile up.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 8 October 2013 12: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: Zymran
        How did they prosrali? The armed forces of all the countries you mentioned were easily defeated, the government was overthrown.

        Bottom line -In Iraq, there is no victory.
        Afghanistan, victory and does not smell.
        Libya - as a result, the American ambassador put the American flag in the ass.
        Where are the victories?
      3. Misantrop
        Misantrop 8 October 2013 13: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Zymran
        How did they prosrali? The armed forces of all the countries you mentioned were easily defeated, the government was overthrown.
        So what's next? You will be very happy if, to calm the family scandal in your apartment, a neighbor will throw a fragmentation grenade through the window? And what, quickly, efficiently and no one screams with beating utensils ...
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 8 October 2013 13: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Misantrop
          So what's next? You will be very happy if, to calm the family scandal in your apartment, a neighbor will throw a fragmentation grenade through the window? And what, quickly, efficiently and no one screams with beating utensils ...

          H.Misantrop, if somewhere "pierce", please correct ...
          Not so long ago in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, police special forces "BY MISTAKE" stormed the household of a Crimean Tatar, having previously thrown flash-noise grenades at the house.
          When trying to throw one of the grenades back into the window, the owner of the house had his hand torn off ...
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 8 October 2013 14: 43 New
            0
            Quote: Corsair
            Not so long ago in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, police special forces "BY MISTAKE" stormed the household of a Crimean Tatar, having previously thrown flash-noise grenades at the house.
            When trying to throw one of the grenades back into the window, the owner of the house had his hand torn off ...

            Yes it was. If not mistaken, last year. There was a lot of noise at first, and then everything died out, they let it go on the brakes. In these self-seized households you can run into for anythingso the police have to be careful ...
    2. Semurg
      Semurg 8 October 2013 12: 10 New
      +5
      Nobody argues that in Russia there is a tremendous experience in waging all types of wars, but it is also a sin to refuse the American experience, at least in terms of their ability to establish support for troops in other areas, we must take the experience of everyone who wants to share and process it according to their needs.
      1. Valery Neonov
        Valery Neonov 8 October 2013 12: 33 New
        +2
        Experience say


        XX century
        [i] Year Region Description of intervention

        Honduras During the riots, US troops occupy the city of Seiba

        1961 Cuba A group of US-backed Cuban militants conducts an unsuccessful operation in the Bay of Pigs. Before the operation, US aircraft inflicts air strikes on Cuban troops [source not specified 597 days]
        1962 Cuba USA announces Cuba's full trade embargo. During the Caribbean crisis, the island is under total blockade.
        1964 Laos American aviation and ground forces (about 10 thousand people) attack Pathet Lao. After years of fighting, a military solution is recognized as unpromising and the American intervention troops leave the country in March 1970.
        Brazil With the help of the CIA, a coup against Brazilian President Juan Goulart. The coup follows the establishment of a military dictatorship that is beneficial for the United States and governs the country until 1982.
        Vietnam The US is massively interfering in the Vietnam War. In the course of hostilities in the country are up to 550 thousand US soldiers. The withdrawal of troops is carried out only in the 1975 year.
        Bolivia From 1964 to 1982, the USA is implicated in a number of military putsch
        1965 Dominican Republic The occupation of the republic until the 1966 year after the coup against President Juan Bosch. The country is ruled by a military junta, which came to power with the help of the United States. The outbreak of civil war. The United States intervenes with 42 by thousands of marines and holds elections, as a result of which the winner is Joaquin Balager, who served for about 30 years to dictator Trujillo. In close collaboration with the Americans, Balaguer ruled the country for the next 35 years.
        Cambodia The United States inflicts airstrikes on border villages along the Vietnamese border. Cambodia is drawn into the Vietnam War.
        1983 Grenada US Invasion of Grenada
        1989 Panama US invasion of Panama
        1991 Persian Gulf US participation under UN mandate [source not specified 597 days] in the Persian Gulf War
        1992 Somalia US involvement in UN peacekeeping operation in Somalia
        1994 Haiti US invasion of Haiti
        1999 Yugoslavia Without a UN mandate, US-led NATO carries out massive bombing of Yugoslavia to achieve the withdrawal of Serbian troops and police from Kosovo. After the armistice, the province of Kosovo is occupied by NATO forces and placed under the UN protectorate
        XNUMXst Century [edit | edit source]

        Year Region Description of intervention
        2001 Afghanistan In response to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 in New York and Washington, the United States begins the War in Afghanistan (since 2001), which continues to this day.
        2002 Venezuela Military coup against President Hugo Chavez. The coup attempt after three days fails, Chavez returns to the presidency and declares his involvement in the CIA coup. These statements, however, still have no evidence.
        2003 Iraq Under the false pretext, the Iraq war begins, in which a number of American allies also participate. After the overthrow of the regime of Saddam Hussein, a long-term occupation begins, characterized by a high level of violence in the country, which cost life, according to various sources, to 655 thousand Iraqis [source not specified 597 days]
        2004 Haiti After the overthrow of President Aristide, the United States sends troops to Haiti
        2011 Libya Air strikes and rocket attacks on the country as part of the intervention in Libya
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 8 October 2013 14: 11 New
          0
          Quote: Valery Neonov
          Vietnam The US is massively interfering in the Vietnam War. In the course of hostilities in the country are up to 550 thousand US soldiers. Troop withdrawal implemented only in 1975 year.

          That's it, leash with a slight correction:DAMAGE TROOPS, because the amers were kicked out of the DRV like a mongrel mongrel ...
    3. sven27
      sven27 8 October 2013 13: 33 New
      0
      that the experience acquired by Russia itself during the reign of Peter the Great to this period is much wider and richer than that of any other country.
      And our people died more than in any other country, and we are fighting on our territory !!! Fuck us such an experience
  • shark
    shark 8 October 2013 12: 04 New
    +9
    Here it is - world integration. Today is West Point, tomorrow a gay parade in Astana. Well, who is against it. I am for it! But once again I am convinced that Russia does not have real friends! Selling dwarfs divorced on the ruins of a great empire. I look forward to cons from the Kazakhs
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 8 October 2013 12: 42 New
      +7
      Quote: shark
      Waiting for cons from the Kazakhs


      Plus from one Kazakh enough?)))
    2. Kazbek
      Kazbek 8 October 2013 14: 07 New
      +5
      Have you ever heard from us about a gay parade ?! Unlike you, we don’t even stutter about this. Yes nafig such friends when they indicate how to live, look at yourself. The empire destroyed themselves, now do not indicate FIG.
      1. shark
        shark 8 October 2013 14: 19 New
        +2
        Oh, we didn’t ruin it. We wouldn’t even touch it at 17. We scammed all the nations of the empire and ruined it. And the Russians were both Ukrainians and Kazakhs and who weren’t there ... And America, Britain and their popolizy.i how then do not consider the United States as an enemy?
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 8 October 2013 14: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: shark
          Oh, we didn’t ruin it. We wouldn’t even touch it at 17. We scammed all the nations of the empire and ruined it. And the Russians were both Ukrainians and Kazakhs and who weren’t there ... And America, Britain and their popolizy.i how then do not consider the United States as an enemy?

          Clear. I'm not me and not my hut, and in general there are only enemies around wink
        2. Essenger
          Essenger 8 October 2013 14: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: shark
          Oh, we didn’t ruin.

          The Union was created by three Slavic peoples and they also collapsed. This is your jamb and I'm glad the collapse of the USSR.
          1. alone
            alone 8 October 2013 19: 57 New
            +4
            Quote: Essenger
            The Union was created by three Slavic peoples and they also collapsed. This is your jamb and I'm glad the collapse of the USSR.


            hi apparently a chapel too we ruined belay
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 8 October 2013 23: 55 New
              +7
              The Soviet Union collapsed. The POLITBURO error was that it wasn’t preparing a replacement for itself, there was no generational succession (see China — every 8 years a new generation comes into power). And as they began to go into the next world, instead of people from the people, party organizers began to appear who did not see beyond their offices. And Gorbachev is a vivid example. It seems to me (colleagues don’t sit me down strictly), but Nazarbayev was more suitable for this role, he would not let the Union collapse. And he stood at the blast furnace - he knows what heavy labor is.
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay 9 October 2013 08: 10 New
          +6
          Quote: shark
          Oh, we didn’t ruin it. We wouldn’t have touched it at 17 too. We picked scum from all the nations of the empire and ruined it

          No, it’s you who have collapsed !!
          Most people of other nationalities harnessed themselves to the USSR!
          You are the Russians who destroyed the country! You led it!
          You did not know and do not know anything about the peoples with whom you live!
          Now you want us to be together again!
          And what have you changed ??
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 8 October 2013 12: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: xetai9977
    multi-vector policy

    I want to say one wise thing. Multi-vector politics today is a veiled form of licking.
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  • Dromac
    Dromac 8 October 2013 12: 06 New
    +2
    From the side of Kazakhstan, I think a very right step is to learn from the best. This is a good experience. The question is who they will be back. Even considering not so fraternal relations between Russia and Kazakhstan, and after Nazarbayev’s departure, I don’t know what will happen. Many questions.....
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 8 October 2013 13: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Dromac
      The question is who they will be back.
      Saakashvili has already returned to Georgia, you can see WHAT and HOW he was taught lol
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 8 October 2013 12: 07 New
    +2
    YES Well, even a minus, that's a lot! hi The Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan began the selection of candidates for training in military schools of the United States since 2014.- KAZAKH SURPRISES EVERY DAY..Although .... How it all got ... yeah. Let them remember!
  • waisson
    waisson 8 October 2013 12: 08 New
    +3
    I think their brains will be cleaned there .... t by Amer’s democracy and in the near future they will leave the customs union and will ask for a European one. Friendship is friendship, but Americans are closer to their hearts
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 8 October 2013 12: 12 New
      0
      Quote: waisson
      I think their brains will be cleaned there .... t by Amer’s democracy and in the near future they will leave the customs union and will ask for a European one. Friendship is friendship, but Americans are closer to their hearts


      It’s just stupid to ask in the European Union, but there’s no sense from the customs union.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 8 October 2013 12: 11 New
    +3
    Yes, no one considers Kazakhs as an adversary, because Kazakhstan is not an adversary, not an adversary. So drive your people across the steppe and show off at parades in front of your grandfather. And at the parade, how cool Kazakh Americans or American Kazakhs will look. You still need to send to Latinos to study with them such high tops on caps. laughing
    PS Yes, and most likely sent thieves Kazakhs. So much for yelling about the friendly Kazakhstani people.
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 8 October 2013 13: 35 New
      +1
      In general, it is interesting who these four folders with the mother are - what is there to guess, probably simple workers of fields and plants. laughing
    2. Kazbek
      Kazbek 8 October 2013 14: 10 New
      +4
      What is so sprayed then.
    3. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 8 October 2013 15: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      So drive your people across the steppe and show off at parades in front of your grandfather. And at the parade, how cool Kazakh Americans or American Kazakhs will look.
      By the way, where did the "downed pilot" hit you ?!
      Near Ferghana or Samarkand ?!
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 8 October 2013 20: 00 New
        0
        What? Do you know about Ferghana or Samarkand? Or in songs from passing caravans heard laughing
        1. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu 9 October 2013 08: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: ed65b
          What? Do you know about Ferghana or Samarkand?
          I know that somewhere in that direction you "catapulted" ... wink
          Quote: ed65b
          Or in songs from passing caravans heard
          I would be glad to see the caravan and listen to their songs ...
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 8 October 2013 12: 18 New
    +4
    Quote: Zymran
    How did they prosrali? The armed forces of all the countries you mentioned were easily defeated, the government was overthrown.

    Dear,

    To convey to you the meaning of the word "fucked up the war in Afghanistan", it will be enough to look into the near future and see how long the current leadership of Afghanistan will hold out after the final withdrawal of NATO and US troops. In comparison, after the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan in 1989, the example of Najibullah served as president until 1996, before the arrival of the Taliban in Kabul. And how long will the current government of Afghanistan sit after the departure of the Stars and Stripes. They sleep and see how to get their feet out of there and still look like winners.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 8 October 2013 12: 26 New
      +1
      Well, wait and see. I’m about the main thing: the Americans defeated the armed forces of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and changed the government. Moreover, without great difficulty, they know how to fight.
      1. rolik
        rolik 8 October 2013 12: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: Zymran
        Well, wait and see. I’m about the main thing: the Americans defeated the armed forces of Afghanistan,

        Afghanistan had no armed forces)))) to defeat them. In Libya, Gaddafi overthrew his own, With the help of not the Americans but the coalition, In this coalition the first violin was played by the paddlers, I did not want to give back the debts))))
        There was also a crowd in Iraq called a coalition. You tell me where the mattress covers, one on one defeated an army approximately equal to their army. I really want to know about this)))))
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 8 October 2013 13: 09 New
          +4
          Quote: rolik
          one on one defeated an army approximately equal to their army


          Is there such an army in the world laughing and if you mean the Russian army, then it’s been fighting for a long time, though not openly ... but systematically ... look. how they approach the southern borders ...... the Arabs dare ... soon Syria .. then Iran ... and here it is, the border ... well, that's another story ..........
  • rereture
    rereture 8 October 2013 12: 23 New
    +3
    The amers had the goal of overthrowing the government in the same Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, the government was overthrown, the goal was achieved, therefore the wars were successful.
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek 8 October 2013 12: 34 New
    +4
    Shaw, are we making noise ?! laughing
    For a long time, Kazakhstanis have been studying at US military universities.
    By the way, at the beginning of the 2000's, a Kazakh, a Russian by nationality, studied at the same West Point ...
    On TV there were programs about her, in magazines and newspapers articles ..
    True, she did not return to Kazakhstan, she married a local one ..
    In general, there is little 4, you need more. And not only in the USA, but it would be nice in Germany, Great Britain, France, etc.
    Quote: IRBIS
    That's what I'm talking about. We are looking for "relatives" all the time, like orphans.
    Stop whining enough. You, as in that joke: A geologist in the Chukchi taiga got lost. He walks through the taiga and shouts: - People, help !!! The Chukchi comes to the cry and says to the geologist: “Like in the taiga, so people, but like in the city - so a frying pan with ears!”
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 8 October 2013 13: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Kazbek
      Stop whining enough.

      I do not whine, I simply do not want either "brothers" or "sisters". No pans with ears, no ears with pans, especially in such quantities on the streets of Russian cities. I want a good border, visa regime and normal international relations. Money - commodity - money ... I am deeply concerned with the problems of other countries, I do not want problems in mine.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 8 October 2013 14: 05 New
        +4
        Quote: IRBIS
        Quote: Kazbek
        Stop whining enough.

        I do not whine, I simply do not want either "brothers" or "sisters". No pans with ears, no ears with pans, especially in such quantities on the streets of Russian cities. I want a good border, visa regime and normal international relations. Money - commodity - money ... I am deeply concerned with the problems of other countries, I do not want problems in mine.

        How do you feel about Russia seeking a visa-free regime with the EU?
        1. avt
          avt 8 October 2013 14: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: Semurg
          How do you feel about Russia seeking a visa-free regime with the EU?

          Let me answer for him. I am excellent, as are the EU members who wish to travel wherever they please and not let anyone they do not want to see. And so the zone of their "freedoms" is being built for themselves. So since we are no longer the USSR and not socialism. Business is nothing personal.
        2. IRBIS
          IRBIS 8 October 2013 14: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Semurg
          How do you feel about Russia seeking a visa-free regime with the EU?

          Negatively. It’s not a problem for me to go through the procedure for obtaining an entry permit. And I'm ready to pay the money. There should be control, it’s the state’s frontier, not the ribbon at the finish.
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 8 October 2013 14: 30 New
            +7
            Quote: IRBIS
            Quote: Semurg
            How do you feel about Russia seeking a visa-free regime with the EU?

            Negatively. It’s not a problem for me to go through the procedure for obtaining an entry permit. And I'm ready to pay the money. There should be control, it’s the state’s frontier, not the ribbon at the finish.

            The sequence of your views only arouses my respect. If the visa is with everyone and not back and forth. wink
            1. IRBIS
              IRBIS 8 October 2013 15: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: Semurg
              The consistency of your views only makes me respect

              Thank you.
              Quote: Semurg
              . If the visa is with everyone and not back and forth.

              Definitely. The example of "globalization", represented by Europe, is not positive and I do not want this in my country.
        3. T80UM1
          T80UM1 8 October 2013 14: 18 New
          0
          Europeans respect Europeans and despise the barbaric savages of Asians. Here is the answer.
      2. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 8 October 2013 15: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: IRBIS
        I just don't want either "brothers" or "sisters".
        Solidarity yes
        Quote: IRBIS
        all the more so in such numbers on the streets of Russian cities.
        You yourself know that there are no Kazakhs "especially in such quantities" in Russia ..
        And where there are a lot of them (bordering with the RK region) they are the indigenous population ..
        Quote: IRBIS
        I want a good border, a visa regime and normal international relations.
        I totally agree with you. I am also for a good border and normal relations "without hysterics" ..
        Want to introduce a visa regime, so enter ..
        Quote: IRBIS
        I am deeply up to the torch of the problem of other countries, I do not want problems in mine.
        That's right, solve your problems, but do not meddle with us ...
  • Essenger
    Essenger 8 October 2013 12: 35 New
    +1
    I threw off this news, so to speak I shared my joy.

    Thanks to the admin for our flag, it looks very nice.

    Now, according to sabzh, the Kazakh military will be trained wherever they want. Forgot to ask you ...
    1. rolik
      rolik 8 October 2013 13: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Essenger
      Now, according to sabzh, the Kazakh military will be trained wherever they want. Forgot to ask you.

      So you do not cry when we transfer all launches to Vostochny. These are our missiles, they wanted and only launch at home))))
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 8 October 2013 13: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: rolik
        So you do not cry when we transfer all launches to Vostochny. These are our rockets, we wanted and only at home we launch


        Yes, I with both hands FOR.
        Just today, he signed a petition to ban launches of rocket carriers on Baikonur.
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 8 October 2013 13: 16 New
          -7
          Hmm ... space "power" ...
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 8 October 2013 18: 52 New
            -1
            Essenger KZ
            Just today, he signed a petition to ban launches of rocket carriers on Baikonur.

            Something I did not understand, offended by "Hmm ... space power"?
            First, if it weren’t for Russia, you would not even have seen a spaceport in Kazakhstan in a dream.
            Secondly, you yourself sign the PETITION about the ban, and you yourself are offended. I wonder who initiated this PETITION? Apparently in the near future your land will be TRAMED (not walk on the ground, but trampled) by aMerikosy. Then you, as they say, "feel the difference" ...
            Here, for example, today - the Americans in Alma-Ata:
            The checkpoint, according to the resource, is located on the road that leads to two buildings: the Army House, where veteran organizations are located, as well as the building where the offices of the US Consulate General and the USAID mission are located.

            As a result, Afghan veterans who come to the Army House for social assistance have to go through an American checkpoint. They find it humiliating. “Our disabled person on his land for which he fought is subjected to such humiliation. There is a security guard in American uniform and does not start until they search. The Americans are now setting their conditions for the disabled person to go out, bow down, open the trunk, ”said Murat Abdushkurov, chairman of the city council of veteran organizations.

            At the end of July, former military personnel sent a letter of complaint to the American ambassador in Kazakhstan. They demand either to remove the checkpoint or provide veterans with alternative access to the Army House - bypassing the checkpoint.

            But this is not EMBASSY, but OFFICES.
            Well, the Kyrgyz have already "talked" a lot with "friendly" aMers on their land, you still have ahead of!
            1. Essenger
              Essenger 8 October 2013 19: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: ia-ai00
              Something I did not understand, offended by "Hmm ... space power"?
              First, if it weren’t for Russia, you would not even have seen a spaceport in Kazakhstan in a dream.
              Secondly, you yourself sign the PETITION of the ban, and you yourself are offended. I wonder who initiated this PETITION?


              Of course, the ban on Russian missiles or tight you think of? Although I probably ask you for the impossible)

              The petition was initiated by Kazakh citizens.
              1. ia-ai00
                ia-ai00 8 October 2013 20: 10 New
                0
                Well, of course, unlike you - "fool-fool!"
                Who "pushed"? Nationalist PUNCHES always have HEADERS! You something "it's not too hard to think", PROBABLY ???
        2. rolik
          rolik 8 October 2013 13: 20 New
          +5
          Quote: Essenger
          Yes, I am behind both hands FOR.

          You see how lucky you are)))) no space, no money from Russia for space))))
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 8 October 2013 13: 29 New
            +5
            Quote: rolik
            no money from Russia for space

            115 million is certainly good money, but it does not particularly affect the budget of the Republic of Kazakhstan. And besides, if I'm not mistaken, we do not receive this money in cash.
            1. rolik
              rolik 8 October 2013 13: 41 New
              +3
              Quote: Essenger
              115 million. This is good money, of course, but they do not particularly affect the budget of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

              Yes Yes )))
              1. Essenger
                Essenger 8 October 2013 15: 08 New
                +2
                Quote: rolik
                Quote: Essenger
                115 million. This is good money, of course, but they do not particularly affect the budget of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

                Yes Yes )))


                drinks Check Old if in doubt)))
    2. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 8 October 2013 13: 22 New
      +6
      Quote: Essenger
      Forgot to ask you ...
      For a long time I want to ask, why are you provoking?
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 8 October 2013 13: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: Andrey KZ
        For a long time I want to ask, why are you provoking?

        I only respond to provocations)
      2. T80UM1
        T80UM1 8 October 2013 14: 12 New
        +1
        The posts of Ukrainian nationalists are similar. It's just that a person has an anti-Russian position. He sees Kazakhstan as a mononational, traditional and unitary state of a Western orientation. His position is clear. I do not blame her, but this is a minority position.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 8 October 2013 14: 44 New
          +5
          Greetings T80

          Quote: T80UM1
          The posts of Ukrainian nationalists are similar.

          May not have read them

          Quote: T80UM1
          He sees Kazakhstan as mono-ethnic traditional

          I do not see Kazakhstan as a mononational country. For me, the nationality of a person does not play any role. For me, the position is important, the most primitive example, if I am not mistaken, you are not Kazakh. But you are closer to me than the local Kazakhs who are behind the TS with Russia. Such an example I can give at least a thousand)))

          Quote: T80UM1
          unitary state of a western orientation.

          Kazakhstan is a unitary state, I do not hide the Atlantist and focus on the Anglo-Saxons.

          Quote: T80UM1
          I do not blame her, but this is a minority position.

          Thank you for your understanding, regarding the position of the minority is controversial. But on this site, yes and no.
  • K-36
    K-36 8 October 2013 12: 35 New
    +3
    Sasha Samokutyaev and Andrey Borisenko have already started on the Soyuz TMA-21; Anton Shkaplerov and Tolya Ivanishin at the Soyuz TMA-22; Zhenya Tarelkin at the TMA Union -): M; Seryozha Ryazansky on the Soyuz TMA-10M (by the way, at the moment he is in orbit). You can write a thick comment about each of the above. But that's what I want to say. On rare bad days, when the weather did not make it possible to make parachute jumps, I managed to talk with the guys about their innermost dream - to fly into space. For example, Zhenya Tarelkin was preparing to fly around the Clipper reusable shuttle. Even then, Zhenya complained that the "clipper" was rather weak for the function of a rescuer. The carrying capacity is not the same. We need "Buran"! Now Zhenya has already flown into space, and Khde entot "Clipper"? ... A separate song about Sergei Ryazansky (a pole companion for the "bullet" schedule when it is raining or the wind is outrageous). Sergey is a doctor. And preparing for a flight to Mars. For the tasks of a long flight to other planets, Sergei was so loaded with specialized medical training that, according to his estimates, he could really take off no earlier than in 6-7 years (measuring from that far now 2005). Now he is in orbit. Just not on the way to Mars ... Space managers came up with an interesting function for a doctor "of all trades" - to work as a photographer in outer space (that is, to take pictures of the Olympic flame! So the question is bursting from the depths of the soul: what kind of MANAGERS are running the space manned program? In conclusion, about Aydin and Mukhtar. Great guys, they were not selected for the squad for their pretty eyes. Aydin, for example, defended his thesis "ISS Docking Node." And preference also adored, devil. wink
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 8 October 2013 12: 35 New
    +1
    MMMdaaaaa ... The guys will pass "LikBez" - and a ready agent, also with national roots ...
    Well, what can you say here, the president's advisor is Britan, and the "fighters of the invisible front" will have their own ...
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 8 October 2013 13: 39 New
      +7
      Quote: ia-ai00
      MMMdaaaaa ... The guys will pass "LikBez" - and a ready agent, also with national roots ...
      Well, what can you say here, the president's advisor is Britan, and the "fighters of the invisible front" will have their own ...

      well done eeyore plus you for constancy laughing
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 October 2013 14: 06 New
      +6
      Quote: ia-ai00
      MMMdaaaaa ... The guys will pass "LikBez" - and a ready agent, also with national roots ...

      Quote: ia-ai00
      MMMdaaaaa ... The guys will pass "LikBez" - and a ready agent, also with national roots ...

      Well, how many Russians are studying in schools and academies in the United States?))))
      Everyone became spies?)))))
      And why not outrageous?))
      there are even examples below!))
      Quote: ia-ai00
      Well, what can you say here, the president's advisor is Britan, and the "fighters of the invisible front" will have their own ...

      and the Russian President has the same shaving FRIENDS)))))))
      What is worse?))))))))
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 8 October 2013 15: 11 New
        +3
        I wonder why she does not write blayer))) or whatever she wrote)))
      2. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 8 October 2013 18: 26 New
        +1
        That is why, in Russia and Kazakhstan, living "getting better and better", the working people, OH, how they like all sorts of "perestroika", "reorganization", "novations" and "innovations" that have ruined their own industry, education, medicine, already and for SCIENCE they began to establish "order".
        And the "water" MUTYAT, all the same lads from the government, trained in countries "friendly" to Russia.
        And the fact that the "partners" from the USA and GAYROPA are doing everything to ensure that put away Kazakhstan and all the countries of the former USSR from Russia, it is not visible only to a SHEEPHANDS. And I am sure that all these "gestures" towards Kazakhstan are aimed at ...
  • Grbear
    Grbear 8 October 2013 12: 36 New
    13
    Dear, Semurg and Zymran

    I am very glad that you participated in the discussions. I will not say that I like everything in your statements, but it impresses with common sense and a desire to see your country happy. It is always worth RESPECT.

    From ourselves - OUR. Do not adjust the WORLD to your perception, knowledge and mental abilities. As the classic said: "Everyone chooses for himself: woman, religion, freedom ..."

    PS Everyone has enough skeletons in the closet, but this does not mean that they should interfere with living alive.
    PSS As far as I (and I have been living for a long time) I know Nazarbayev - he was never a short-sighted person.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 8 October 2013 19: 29 New
      +4
      Thank you for the balanced comment. We should all be (ideally) civic patriots of our countries. I think that our NAS 01 will leave not a bad memory of himself, although he also had jambs (and they will not curse him up to the seventh knee). Skeletons and even sometimes you don’t want to go to the closet laughing
    2. Zymran
      Zymran 9 October 2013 13: 07 New
      +1
      Thank you, you are very restrained and objective. smile
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 October 2013 12: 38 New
    +5
    There is another run over our military, technical, scientific ..! Over the past 10 years, many of our compatriots have graduated from Western educational institutions (vaunted ..) Where are they all with their crusts ??? It’s just that world-class technology and scientific developments are created by those who studied in Soviet schools! Think about it ... Russia has enormous potential in any field of life .. We can only guess about it .. And the Anglo-Saxons have long understood this and spread rot by any means. We honestly need to cooperate with us or not at all .. (let alone fight death ..)!
  • Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 8 October 2013 12: 43 New
    +3
    Well, dear Kazakhs, good luck! hi
    There your love and respect your culture:
    1. Kazbek
      Kazbek 8 October 2013 14: 13 New
      +4
      And how they love you. laughing
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 8 October 2013 19: 36 New
        0
        Russians will not be able to "love", thank God - the ORIENTATION is different.
  • buzer
    buzer 8 October 2013 12: 47 New
    +6
    US Military Academy carries out
    cooperation with a number of higher education
    institutions of the Russian Federation. Among them are the closest contacts
    Academy has with Voronezh State University. Cooperation program between the Military Academy
    USA and Voronezh State University originates in 2002. Each year, 5 cadets of the Academy attended
    summer language and country courses in
    VSU. Program, being in nature
    Country Studies (Immersion Programm,
    Intensive Russian course
    language and cultural-educational program (excursions in Voronezh, Moscow, St. Petersburg). Since 2006, the program has expanded significantly. VSU accepts cadets not
    only for summer language courses, but also for
    semester training. When learning the Russian language is taken into account
    specifics of a military educational institution.
    Training is partly conducted in the Training
    VSU military center. For cadets held
    meeting with cadets in military training
    institutions of Voronezh, the places of battles for Voronezh during the Great
    World War II, military historical
    museums. The program is a success at the Military
    Academy, received good reviews in
    American and Russian press [source not specified 396 days]. In October 2008, as part of an exchange program based on
    agreements between the Institute
    Voronezh State University
    Department of Foreign Languages
    US Military Academy, West Point with
    a three-week visit was visited by cadets of the UVC at Voronezh State University.
    1. Kazbek
      Kazbek 8 October 2013 14: 18 New
      10
      All the khan of Russia, now you have whole institutes of spies. You thought we were friends, but you contacted the amers, traitors.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 October 2013 12: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Zymran
    Well, wait and see. I’m about the main thing: the Americans defeated the armed forces of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and changed the government. Moreover, without great difficulty, they know how to fight.

    I understand your military will be taught this ..? You play with fire ... Americans do nothing for thanks!
  • sven27
    sven27 8 October 2013 12: 57 New
    +5
    A dispute has begun whose army is cooler. To deny that the world's most powerful economy contains the world's most powerful army is stupid. Another thing is that the Amers never had to fight to the limit of their capabilities, and even on their territory. They carry out all their operations with total superiority in military and technical equipment. But is it really bad? Instead of throwing cannon fodder at the enemy, they use tomogafs, a huge number of victims among the local population do not care, they take care of the lives of their soldiers, the equipment and supplies of the American soldier are very worthy. They really have something to learn.
  • Ash
    Ash 8 October 2013 13: 00 New
    +1
    There, probably, for a can of paint the tests do not pass.
    1. sven27
      sven27 8 October 2013 13: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Ash
      There, probably, for a can of paint the tests do not pass.

      The harsh reality of my cadet youth))))
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 8 October 2013 13: 09 New
    +3
    Fu what an abomination. Already distorted.
    Ukraine, Armenia, Kazakhstan ..., before them Moldova, Georgia ..., even earlier the Baltic States ..., all the rest are under a huge question. The "anaconda ring" shrinks, non-stop.angry
    Liberasty is death for Russia, that one, the real Russia-USSR.
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek 8 October 2013 13: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: Gleb
    okay, the government decides, but why do you welcome this? Do the armies of Kazakhstan and the USA have similar strategic approaches that you decided to draw on knowledge there? Do you have the same fleet, aviation, etc ...? with whom you were going to fight against American tactics and attack strategies? Apparently Ryazan isn’t suitable for defense? Yes, at least other cities and countries, but for example closer. The conclusion is that the Allies can not give you anything, I mean knowledge?
    Kazakh?

    Wherever we want, we send it there, they asked you to forget. You still send us a list of where you can study, and where not. By God, comedy, when you conduct exercises with amers that you don’t ask permission from us. What do you learn from attack tactics from amers? And with the French, such and such collaborate without our knowledge.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 October 2013 13: 23 New
    +5
    I will not be surprised if the exercises will be held soon (I don’t know exactly where)) Kazakhstan-Georgia-Ukraine .. But I am 100% sure that it is XNUMX% sure to repel the attack of the "terrorists" .. "The world community" will be euphoric .. I am exaggerating and I do not want anyone to offend .. (but after the Syrian crisis, anything is possible) they have taken Russia seriously! you need to be on the alert guys ..
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 8 October 2013 13: 39 New
    0
    I think it is necessary to seize the moment while America is looking for allies against China, and send about twenty, and preferably fifty, after graduating from the RVDKU to study in America. Let them adopt useful things and especially look where they have something bad. Or, under the guise of Kazakh, he will agree to send ours as well.
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek 8 October 2013 13: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: Beibit
    so after all, they themselves go to be processed. learn the capitalist system. man to man is a wolf. if a student is a programmer, then learn to program you will be rich and politics and economics are none of your business. and those who went into politics and economics, they teach according to the Western system their ideology is different and the program. they will learn that the CIS countries are behind them because their approach is not correct. we (in the west) are doing well. we must do everything our way. and the student learning this x ... will do it. and you see the country will go along the west: debauchery and loss of values, complete degradation as a person. So brother look where the wind blows ...

    You have a bad opinion about our students. What is wrong if they study at the best foreign institutes for free. Stop looking for the enemy everywhere, now is not 37 year. Do you think they are better taught in CIS institutes?
  • Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 8 October 2013 13: 48 New
    +4
    When I served in the communications company of the airborne forces of Ryazan, I saw a platoon of cadets from Kazakhstan (and not only). No, they can be understood, probably the structure of the Russian Airborne Forces is probably one of the most capable on the territory of the former union, but studying at the US Military Academy also has a right to exist. This is also a good experience. There is nothing terrible in this.
  • wulf66
    wulf66 8 October 2013 13: 49 New
    +7
    I don’t understand Kazakhs ... in amerskiye military establishments they prepare "blanks" for military specialists, and specifically their military specialties are obtained by their officers in other institutions, where Kazakhs will definitely not be allowed. They will not familiarize themselves with tactics or weapons, but the Kazakhs will receive 100 percent of the internal agents of influence. This makes no sense...
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 8 October 2013 13: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: wulf66
      I do not understand the Kazakhs ...

      And you should not understand)))
      If the Russians understand everything, is it worth sending our warriors to America?
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 8 October 2013 13: 52 New
    +6
    Quote: sven27
    The strength of America is that it has not allowed more than one war on its territory, and still not one power has not decided to challenge it

    lucky purely geographically ... around the water ... this is the main reason why there was no war in the United States, except for the civilian course ...
    1. sven27
      sven27 8 October 2013 14: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Scandinavian
      lucky purely geographically ... around the water ... this is the main reason why there was no war in the United States, except for the civilian course ...

      but I believe that it is not a matter of luck, but of a well-constructed foreign policy, a powerful army and economy.
      1. GDP
        GDP 8 October 2013 14: 31 New
        +1
        U no - the geographical location means a lot what would happen to the same England, if in World War II, it had a land border with Europe? Hitler would have simply flown in there, as in France, if it hadn’t been faster, but most likely England would have become a colony of France even earlier ...
  • Manager
    Manager 8 October 2013 13: 58 New
    0
    Where is this world heading?
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 8 October 2013 14: 39 New
      +1
      Going where you need to. In OWN orbit at a speed of 29 km per second.
  • Aristocrat
    Aristocrat 8 October 2013 14: 06 New
    +3
    Another victory for America. One more step towards world domination. This is how Sakakashvili was brought up. Training in the states of the future military elite of Kazakhstan is a guarantee that the states will receive "their" recruited people in the power structure of the state. It was not cooks that were sent for training ... but the best promising future officers. True, given the specifics of Kazakhstan, they are the best ... The best family ties, it will be more accurate. But so much the better for Pindo-Stan. For they will launch moles with huge clan-related support into the power structures of the satellite state.
  • shark
    shark 8 October 2013 14: 07 New
    -4
    Yes, let them study wherever they want. We have one hell where to enter the parade system - in Berlin or Astana or, say, Kiev. But I especially want to enter Washington. These half-people have already got
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 10 October 2013 21: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: shark
      We have one hell where to enter the parade system - in Berlin or Astana or, say, Kiev.

      I, kanesh, understand that you are fantasizing, but even if you imagine that the Russian army decides to invade Kazakhstan, then it will not be Georgia and not even Germany. And Chechnya will seem to you a kindergarten.
      The steppe dwellers will not include the back in the fight. Here are the mounds of our ancestors. And this is the most important thing for the steppe inhabitants. The entire Kazakh mentality revolves around dead ancestors. Death is not terrible, but it is scary if someone insults your ancestor, his grave. So the Russian army will "end" a meter from the state border. Personally, my ancestors have not lost a single war over the past 2000 years, we are a nation of soldiers in the first place. And only then cattlemen, economists, lawyers or drivers.
      So before fantasizing about "entering Astana in parade", think about why the Chechens, who in Russia are considered outrageous, in Kazakhstan behave emphatically tactfully with the Kazakhs, preferring not to run into trouble.
      Z.Y. Of course, there will be no war between Kazakhs and Russians, but you yourself provoked my answer.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 October 2013 14: 08 New
    0
    Americans trained and armed Georgia on the ground ..)))) Kazakhstan decided to adopt the experience ??? (no offense ..)
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 8 October 2013 14: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Americans trained and armed Georgia on the ground.


      so they would help to restore the territorial integrity of Georgia ... to the grave of life they would have been obliged to you .... otherwise they gave them 1 tank battalion in 2000 and thought that there would be tip-top in ... ...
      1. GDP
        GDP 8 October 2013 15: 01 New
        0
        It would have helped if they had not pursued a "multi-vector policy" ...
        It also happens to be multi-vector, sometimes turning to one country, automatically means turning back to another ...
  • Mikado
    Mikado 8 October 2013 14: 10 New
    +6
    C'mon, Kazakhstan is already 10 years old, or even all 15 years old, sending its guys to the same Westpoint, so this is not news.