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South Korean Air Force update: F-15SE or F-35A?

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In the last week of September, South Korea made a decision about non-compliance with the necessary requirements of the Boeing F-15SE multi-role fighter. Because of this decision, an issue was raised again that just recently seemed finally resolved.


South Korea is armed with 460 fighters, of which 48% are the front-line fighters F-15K and F-16, and 30% are the outdated F-4 and F-5, which need to be replaced in the coming years. If this replacement is not made, the number of fighters in the country's Air Force can be reduced by about 140 machines in 2019, when all F-4 and F-5 will be removed from service.

The Air Force needs forced Seoul on 2012 to announce a tender for 60 fighters, the first deliveries of which should have started in 2016 (later this date was shifted to 2017). It was assumed that this would be the first contract for fighters that would form the basis The country's Air Force for the period from 2020 to 2060. For this tender, South Korea was ready to allocate 7,7 billion. Initially, three applicants were considered: 1) Boeing with the F-15SE fighter; 2) Lockheed Martin with F-35A; 3) EADS with Eurofighter Typhoon. However, the last two corporations did not fit into the budget proposed by Seoul.

The third applicant also did not meet a number of technical requirements. In addition, being a European corporation EADS had less chance than the American Boeing and Lockheed Martin, because, as one Korean expert said, “it is hardly politically acceptable to purchase our next military aircraft fleet from anyone other than the United States.” Obviously, Seoul cannot help but give preferences to a country that holds troops on its territory with a population of 28,5 thousand. and an air force grouping of 90 fighters.

When in July 2013, it was announced that the contract budget would not be revised, Boeing remained the sole bidder, whose offer did not extend beyond that budget. Therefore, the corporation expected that at the extended meeting of the 24 September Committee for Defense its actual victory would be confirmed and F-15SE approved. However, the hopes of Boeing, who won the two previous tenders in South Korea, were confounded this time.

The decision of the Defense Committee to revise the budget and technical requirements of the tender was commented by the official representative of the Korean Ministry of Defense as follows: “Most of the committee members agreed to abandon F-15 and restart the project (on acquiring new fighters - PT), which should take into account North Korean threats including nuclear weapon, as well as the latest developments in the field of aerospace technology. They agreed that, in accordance with the latest trends and in order to combat the provocations of North Korea, the air force needs a fifth-generation strike fighter. ”

South Korean Air Force update: F-15SE or F-35A?

A certain influence on the outcome of the expanded meeting of the Committee on Defense was made by the appeal of former Generals of the Air Force, which was sent to government departments a month before. It argued that the country needed fighters, really built on technology Stealth, in order to "quietly penetrate North Korea and get rid of the nuclear threat from its side."

The revision of the tender opens up opportunities for Lockheed Martin and its F-35A, which is described in government documents in South Korea as a "fifth-generation fighter." In Seoul, they hope that the growth in sales of this vehicle, orders for which have already been made by Australia, Great Britain, Holland, Israel, Italy, Norway and Japan, will make it possible to somewhat reduce its cost, which is now about $ 120 million for one fighter.

An alternative option is currently under discussion, involving a batch of split planes in 60 aircraft between F-15SE (33%) and F-35A (67%). It is unlikely that this option will be implemented by Seoul, because, firstly, it will still not allow the tender budget to remain at the previously announced level, and, secondly, will force Seoul to spend part of this budget on F-15SE, based on 70-s of the last century.

According to representatives of the Korean Defense Procurement Agency, a new tender will be held within a year. Obviously, this time the favorite will be the F-35A. If Seoul decides in his favor, the contract with Lockheed Martin may imply a supply of fewer 60 machines at a later date. What prospects in the new tender are seen by the Boeing and EADS managers can be seen from the participation of these corporations in the Seoul Aerospace Exhibition, which will be held on October 29 - November 3 2013.
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  1. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 8 October 2013 10: 48 New
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    South Korean Air Force:
    Combat aircraft - 561
    61 Boeing F-15K Slam Eagle
    180 Lockheed F-16 Fighting Falcon, of which 140 are the latest Block-52 modifications. Most aircraft are assembled in South Korea under license.
    68 McDonnell-Douglas F-4 Phantom II,
    170 Northrop F-5E / F Tiger II, gradually replaced by light fighter of the South Korean development KAI FA-50 Golden Eagle, in total they plan to purchase about 100 such aircraft
    82 FA-50 Golden Eagle.
    4 Aircraft AWACS Boeing 737 AEW & C.
    46 reconnaissance aircraft:
    8 BAe 125 Hawker 800,
    2 Dassault Falcon 2000,
    16 RF-4C Phantom II,
    20 KAI KA-1 Woongbi, South Korean turboprop aircraft,
    90 Bell Helicopter AH-1 Cobra, from 2016 36 AH-64 Apache are planned to arrive.
    To this we must add the US Air Force group in South Korea (7857 people): the headquarters of the 7th Air Army, two fighter aircraft wings - a total of 40 multi-purpose fighters and combat training aircraft F-16C and F-16D "Fighting Falcon", 12 attack aircraft A -10 "Thunderbolt-2" and 12 reconnaissance and attack aircraft OA-10. That is 64 aircraft and 24 AH-64 Apache combat helicopters.
    DPRK Air Force - South Korea's main adversary
    Combat aircraft - 668 units
    Fighters - 494
    40 MiG-29 (35 MiG-29, 5 MiG-29UB - the first export modifications 9-12 and 9-13);
    56 MiG-23 (P, PL, UB);
    about 150 MiG-21 (LSI, PPS, U);
    about 40 Chengdu F-7, a Chinese copy of the MiG-21;
    98 Shenyang F-6-Chinese copy of the MiG-19;
    100 Shenyang F-5 is a Chinese copy of the MiG-17.
    Attack aircraft - about 174 aircraft
    about 80 Harbin H-5 is a Chinese copy of the IL-28, which made its first flight in 1948. Perhaps they are used as a carrier of nuclear weapons;
    36 Su-25 (32 Su-25K, 4 Su-25UPK)
    40 Nanchang A-5, modernized by the Chinese MiG-19, designed to strike at ground targets.
    18 Su-7.
    Training and combat training aircraft (some of the aircraft can be adapted to strike at ground targets) - about 357 aircraft.
    12 Czechoslovak Aero L-39;
    135 Shenyang FT-5-Chinese combat training copy of the MiG-17,
    30 MIG-15
    180 Nanchang CJ-6 is a Chinese copy of the Soviet piston UTS Yak-18.
    There is 1 AWACS aircraft, created on the basis of the An-24 with the radar of the MiG-29 fighter.
    Helicopters: about 314
    Combat-about 20 Mi-24
    about 87 US Defender MD 500Ds, some of which are armed with 4 Baby ATGMs
    4 Mi-26,
    15 Mi-8T, there is also about 10 Mi-14PL anti-submarine modification Mi-8,
    48 Harbin Z-5, a Chinese copy of the Mi-4, a part of which is also possible
    about 140 Mi-2s, some of which may also carry weapons.
    Thus, the DPRK has a total of 76 4th-generation aircraft (MiG-29, Su-25), even if you add 56 MiG-23 to them, losing to the F-16 and F-15 in all respects, you will get 132. The main fighters are 190 MiG-21s and its Chinese clone Chengdu F-7, 198 Chinese clones MiG-17 and MiG-19 do not pose a serious threat to modern combat aircraft and can only be used as attack aircraft. The DPRK Air Force’s capabilities in landing air and helicopter assault forces are also limited. Lack of fuel does not allow the organization of normal training for pilots. In addition, given that the youngest airplanes of the DPRK Air Force are 23–25 years old, and the bulk are venerable veterans, whose age is 40–50 years, it is still unknown how many of them can fly into the air.
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 8 October 2013 10: 50 New
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      Thus, the correlation of forces seems to be favorable for the DPRK 1: 1 (668 versus 625), but if we take into account fourth-generation fighters, it changes dramatically for the worse, 40 North Korean MiG-29s withstand 281 US-South Korean F-15K, F-16 , i.e. the ratio of 1 to 7, and 314 North Korean MiG-23 / MiG-21 / F-7 / Q-5 / Su-7 are opposed by 332 South Korean F-4 / F-5 / A-50; and 36 Su-25 24 American A-10. Other North Korean flying antiques F-5 / F-6 / H-5 I do not take into account. How long will live in the air the Chinese analogue of the Soviet MiG-17, which made its first flight in 1952, without radar and missiles, let everyone decide for himself. As for combat helicopters, here too Juche fans have nothing to catch 20 Mi-24 resists 114 AH-1 Cobra and AH-64 Apache. That is, the ratio of forces is 1 to 6. That is, the maximum that the DPRK Air Force can afford to try to cover with the air defense the most important administrative and economic facilities and large settlements or to try to cover the enemy’s airfields with the first blow, which, given the strong air defense of South Korea, is unlikely and entail large losses. In this regard, the question of what is better than the F-15SE or F-35A is not significant for the South Korean Air Force, and both cars are head and shoulders superior to the flying junk that the DPRK Air Force can counter them.
      All data on the quantitative composition of the air forces of the DPRK and South Korea are taken from
      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%92%D0%A1_%D0%9A%D0%9D%D0%94%D0%A0

      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%92%D0%A1_%D0%AE%D0%B6%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9_%
      D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B8
      1. Bradley
        Bradley 8 October 2013 10: 59 New
        +1
        Keep “like.”) It’s rare to find an adequate message on this site.
      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus 8 October 2013 11: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: smiths xnumx
        In this regard, the question of what is better than the F-15SE or F-35A is not significant for the South Korean Air Force, and both cars are head and shoulders superior to the flying junk that the DPRK Air Force can counter them.

        They are not concerned with the SK Air Force, but with its nuclear potential. That is, airplanes should freely attack any targets in the SK territory and be invulnerable to air defense.
        And then South Korea strives to keep up with the PRC and Japan. And when solving such problems, the question of F-15SE or F-35A matters.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 8 October 2013 19: 33 New
          0
          Quote: Odyssey
          And then South Korea strives to keep up with the PRC and Japan. And when solving such problems, the question of F-15SE or F-35A matters.

          And for the US military-industrial complex, the question is not a little important.
          I think friends will be pushed to purchase an expensive F-35A, I have no doubt!
      3. mirag2
        mirag2 8 October 2013 11: 19 New
        +2
        Yes ... North Korea shouldn’t twitch with its planes ... it’s better not to. And quietly, in a few years, create several open economic zones joint with South Korea — earn grandmas, and then buy something newer.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 8 October 2013 13: 29 New
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          Quote: mirag2
          calmly, over several years, create several open-joint economic zones with South Korea to earn money, and then buy something newer.

          It is possible, but why? To compete in this regard with South Korea is completely futile, for the United States stands behind them.
          The DPRK adheres to a perfectly correct asymmetric defense strategy with an emphasis on nuclear, chemical weapons and long-range artillery (to attack Seoul).
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 8 October 2013 12: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: smiths xnumx
      Lack of fuel does not allow the organization of normal training for pilots.

      Lack of fuel will not allow a war.
      1. vahatak
        vahatak 8 October 2013 13: 17 New
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        The territory there is small, and the war will not be long. there are probably reserves for this case, but there are not enough reserves for regular training flights.
  2. svp67
    svp67 8 October 2013 10: 50 New
    +3
    South Korean Air Force update: F-15SE or F-35A?
    If they want to feel calm, then the answer should be one - СУ35
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 8 October 2013 11: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      If they want to feel calm, then the answer should be one - СУ35


      American F-35 confidently lose to Russian Su-35
      Read more: http://www.arms-expo.ru/055057052124053055057048.html

      Quote-South Korean Air Force Update: F-15SE or F-35A?


    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 8 October 2013 13: 30 New
      0
      Quote: svp67
      If they want to feel calm, then the answer should be one - СУ35

      They offered them Su-35. They did not take.
      1. 0255
        0255 8 October 2013 14: 40 New
        +1
        They offered them Su-35. They did not take.

        they then took the F-15K, saying that the F-15 performed well in the Desert Storm, and the Su-35 never fought. Although it is unlikely that the United States will allow them to buy something not American.
  3. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 8 October 2013 11: 06 New
    +2
    Air Defense of the DPRK
    S-75 and its Chinese copy of the HQ-2, about 40 divisions, 140 launchers, some have been modernized, launchers are mounted on a wheeled chassis.

    S-125, 232 batteries of 128 PU, some of them upgraded, PU installed on the KrAZ wheeled chassis, some are in underground shelters and rises if necessary;
    North Korean version of the PU S-125 on the KrAZ chassis

    scheme of underground shelters air defense systems S-125

    S-200, 24-40 PU

    KN-06 is the North Korean version of either S-300 or its Chinese copy of HQ-9 with PAR, an unknown quantity but not less than 8, according to other sources it is an “anti-aircraft” modification of KN-02 (copy of the Tochka OTRK);
    Radar with FAR SAM KN-06

    PU SAM KN-06

    unknown number of self-propelled air defense systems "Strela-10",

    There is information about the presence in the DPRK of the Krug-M1, Cube M1, Buk M1 air defense systems, but it is unclear how much they correspond to reality. Also in 1961, 72 air defense systems of the S-25 air defense system were purchased for Pyongyang's air defense, but it seems that they are already withdrawn from service.
    About 11 anti-aircraft guns and anti-aircraft guns, caliber 000-14,5 mm (about 130 500-mm KS-100, about 19 400-mm KS-85, about 12 1000-mm 37-K, about 61 ZU-1500)
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 8 October 2013 11: 24 New
      +3
      However, for the DPRK air defense there are several positive aspects:
      1. The territory of the DPRK is extremely small, only 120 540 km², which allows you to completely cover it with available air defense systems
      2. Koreans from the time of the Korean War, understand that they will have to act in the conditions of superiority of the enemy in the air, therefore for a long time (about 60 years), they prepared for this: they dug underground shelters, which allowed them to hide most of the industry, primarily defense , management and communication facilities underground. In addition, most of the country is covered in mountains, which does not allow enemy aircraft to strike from high altitudes, and for medium and low altitudes, North Koreans have a large number of air defense systems and MANPADS that allow for ambush operations.
      3. Quite a high level of training of air defense troops (soldiers have been in military service for 10 years)
      4. Attempts to independently upgrade existing air defense systems. An example of a self-propelled air defense system KN-06 and a self-propelled version of the S-125 air defense system I have already cited above. A similar option exists for the S-75. In addition, the North Koreans are actively modernizing the existing ZA installations and creating their own very original developments.
      30-mm ZSU based on "Shilka", on which 2 allegedly 30-mm AK-230 guns are installed on the target to increase the firing range

      30-mm 4-barrel anti-aircraft gun M-1990 on the basis of ZPU-4, controlled by the ship's radar MR-104


      A 37-mm ZSU based on the North Korean BTR M-1992, instead of the radar, a conventional stereo range finder is installed, which is the main element of the LMS of this combat vehicle. Together with the goniometer, it is used to calculate the lead and, possibly, the delay in detonating a projectile. If there, in the DPRK, such shells are generally in the 37-mm caliber. The car has nothing else to aim at all. The eyes of the crew and the simplest sight.

      57-mm twin anti-aircraft guns based on the S-60

      57-mm ZSU M-2012 based on this gun, similar to the ZSU-57-2 without radar
  4. Committee
    Committee 8 October 2013 11: 12 New
    +1
    The Americans in the new film "Gravity" again took up the old: Now they are pushing the idea of ​​our negative influence in space. The essence of the film is that we shot down our old satellite with a rocket (!) And created chaos in orbit, from which the whole world suffered, astronauts died, communication was lost. I remember it was already in the 90s, when they tried to take control of our nuclear weapons. In one famous film it was said: "Yes, in the former USSR you can buy a nuclear warhead for a couple of BMWs"
    1. vahatak
      vahatak 8 October 2013 13: 22 New
      +1
      Yes, the Americans themselves were digging a hole for themselves. When only they had nuclear weapons, they began to repeat that they were the coolest of all, and when the same thing appeared for others, everyone already believed that with one bomb it was possible to plunge the whole world into chaos.
  5. Metlik
    Metlik 8 October 2013 11: 42 New
    -1
    How much money does South Korea get from trading with Russia? Lots of. We could offer them to buy weapons from us or ... put restrictions on their export to us.
    That's just the government itself crawled its neck into the WTO loop. No one was even worried about how actively the US pushed us into this loop.
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 8 October 2013 12: 19 New
      +3
      Well, actually, South Korea is actively purchasing weapons from us.
      Total after 1991 purchased:
      80 T-80U,

      70 BMP-3,

      50 launchers of Igla-1U MANPADS and 1000 missiles for them, based on Igla, the South Korean Chiron MANPADS
      226 PU ATGM Metis-M
      32 deck-mounted Ka-32 helicopters for equipping landing ships of the Dokdo project
      3 landing hovercraft of project 206 Murena,
      23 IL-103 training aircraft

      On the basis of the S-300 concern Almaz-Antey created a South Korean long-range air defense system KM-SAM
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 8 October 2013 12: 36 New
        0
        The T-80 and BMP-3 of the Republic of Kazakhstan received a public debt. There was no other way to get my money back then)
    2. vahatak
      vahatak 8 October 2013 13: 24 New
      0
      Does it not occur to you that trade is beneficial not only to South Korea, but also to Russia, and Russia also gets quite a bit of money from this trade?
      1. Metlik
        Metlik 8 October 2013 19: 26 New
        -1
        Quote: vahatak
        Does it not occur to you that trade is beneficial not only to South Korea, but also to Russia, and Russia also gets quite a bit of money from this trade?

        Gets the state. A country with a negative trade balance gets into debt like the United States, or squanders natural resources like us.
    3. nazgul-ishe
      nazgul-ishe 8 October 2013 14: 08 New
      0
      So let's produce our own, so that the Russian Federation receives from trade with Korea.
    4. mikkado31
      mikkado31 8 October 2013 19: 04 New
      +1
      Who pushed you to the WTO? This is Russia 20 years in the queue, but it was not accepted. And only Obama decided to accept, If there was a Republican president, they would not accept.
      1. Metlik
        Metlik 8 October 2013 19: 20 New
        0
        Quote: mikkado31
        Who pushed you to the WTO? This is Russia 20 years in the queue, but it was not accepted. And only Obama decided to accept, If there was a Republican president, they would not accept.

        Georgia was categorically against, yielding only under pressure from the United States.
  6. Basileus
    Basileus 8 October 2013 12: 06 New
    +1
    will force Seoul to spend part of this budget on the F-15SE, which are based on the development of the 70s of the last century

    The latest Su-35 is also based on the development of the 70s of the last century. And nothing, an excellent fighter, having a number of advantages over the latest machines. It must be understood that the Silent Eagle is an American Su-35, and it cannot be called obsolete.
    1. vahatak
      vahatak 8 October 2013 13: 25 New
      +1
      Well, it’s clear in the article that the Koreans want the invisibility to break into the north unnoticed.
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 8 October 2013 13: 35 New
        +1
        I do not see anything like that.

        In addition, it is not for nothing that SE is Silent Eagle. There, work was done to reduce the visibility.
  7. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 October 2013 12: 14 New
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    Quote: mirag2
    Yes ... North Korea shouldn’t twitch with its planes ... it’s better not to. And quietly, in a few years, create several open economic zones joint with South Korea — earn grandmas, and then buy something newer.

    Here I agree ..! Why hang out .. Wiser to be! North Korea is constantly provoking and UN is being run like a sucker .. for the joy of Amer .. Russia and China would have helped if that ..
  8. Nayhas
    Nayhas 8 October 2013 12: 15 New
    -2
    Koreans are waiting for cheaper Lightning2, the more tightening the issue, the more they will save later.
    By the way, India is most likely also in standby mode, until they openly stutter, but after two years making sure that the FGFA dummy will turn to the USA for the F-35, which by that time will noticeably reduce in cost.
    1. 31231
      31231 8 October 2013 21: 04 New
      +1
      By the way, India is most likely also in standby mode, until they openly stutter, but after two years making sure that the FGFA dummy will turn to the USA for the F-35, which by that time will noticeably reduce in cost.

      Professionally wang ?! Or so, on coffee grounds ?! wink
    2. bif
      bif 9 October 2013 03: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      for F-35, which by that time will noticeably reduce in value

      This plane can be reduced in value only if it is dumped as scrap metal and then sold. All other options lead only to a rise in price and an approximation to the cost of the "loser of the older brother" f-22.
      "No wonder the Australians said that the F-35 is a third-generation aircraft with elements of the fifth, and called it a technical mistake ... They also compiled a very interesting table in which they rated the number of modern aircraft belonging to the fifth generation: F-22A Raptor , T-50 PAK-FA, Chinese J-12 / J-XX, F-35 JSF and Su-35S. The ratings were made according to a number of parameters, and then the total rating is displayed ... Please note that the list of worthy fighters is not even considered nor Eurofighter, which, according to Europeans themselves, claims to be the fifth generation nor French or Swedish fighters.
      JSF earned a grade of (-8) on the 14 grade criteria. This leaves room for only one - obvious - conclusion in relation to it.
      In other words, it may be a good airplane, but it does not pull on the 5 generation. Note, according to Australian analysts, even the Su-35 can be considered an improved fifth-generation aircraft ... "http://kramtp.info/news/18/full/id=22180;
  9. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 8 October 2013 13: 46 New
    +2
    The war of North and South Korea is like a war between Russia and Ukraine. No matter who wins, only third countries will win.
    1. alone
      alone 8 October 2013 20: 14 New
      0
      I think if this problem could be solved by the war, it would have been solved long ago. And the more time passes, the greater the gap in favor of the South. The economy solves everything in our time
  10. Alexey M
    Alexey M 8 October 2013 14: 28 New
    +1
    Do they need it?
  11. Altona
    Altona 8 October 2013 17: 04 New
    +3
    On Fifteen platform, all F-35 cartoons have been implemented for a long time, these bodys resemble reflections of a modern hipster: "Buy 5 iPhone or 4 Samsung?"
    1. BBM
      BBM 8 October 2013 20: 37 New
      +1
      but still the tag is much better. I just don’t understand how a single-engine aircraft can be more expensive than a twin-engine one ??? plus SE - all the same, it can perform both the functions of an interceptor fighter and the conquest of air supremacy. In fact, this is the only car besides f-22 which in the future is capable of competing with the J-XX.
    2. clidon
      clidon 8 October 2013 21: 06 New
      0
      And what "cartoons" of the 35th are implemented on the F-15SE. And most importantly - how high quality?
      1. Altona
        Altona 8 October 2013 22: 20 New
        +1
        Dear, google and see that both the F-15SE and the F-18 super hornet have low visibility elements, helmet-mounted target designation and avionics, and a digital system like on the F-35, and all this on more powerful, well-developed combat platforms .. . In the end, we do not steer these procurement tenders, it is not known what motivated the arbiters of these tenders, either the urgent need for super-novelty, or a banal cut of funds, or an increase in defense capability? And it is not known how they compare platforms, either by virtual modeling, or by polygon runs?
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 8 October 2013 22: 30 New
          +1
          By the way, at the same time, the F-15 is devoid of the shortcomings of the universal F-35, which is both a Swiss, a reaper, and a dude.
        2. clidon
          clidon 9 October 2013 05: 46 New
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          With this approach, neither the Indians nor we need a T-50. What for? Almost all of his "cartoons" are already in the Su-35, and even the platform is much more developed.
          And what they liked about the F-35 is clear - they want the fifth generation, not 4 +++
          1. Basileus
            Basileus 9 October 2013 07: 48 New
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            4th generation has several advantages. For example, thanks to better aerodynamics. But 5 also has advantages - you can look at them in the requirements for the 5th generation. Another question that haunts the Internet (and not only) specialists is whether the F-35 is a 5th generation fighter?
            1. clidon
              clidon 9 October 2013 16: 44 New
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              Even pre-war fighters have "a number of advantages." Cheaper, more compact, consume less fuel, are unpretentious, better VPH, etc. The system is evaluated in a complex.
              F-35 is undoubtedly the next generation aircraft, if only because the main feature of the “five” is stealth, this is its design feature, around which everything is built.