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Kurdish card: Assad wins, Erdogan loses?

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of the latter, News it is known that the Kurds will send their representatives to the Geneva-2 peace conference. At least the leader of the Democratic Union Party Salih Muslim intends to go there. It is also clear that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad successfully played the Kurdish card in his country: he supports the fighters of the national Kurdish militia fighting against the Islamists, and will not mind if Iraqi Kurds join them if they need to help their brothers in Syria. Mr. Erdogan, the Turkish prime minister, was in the position of the one who was about to lose. The media write that he is balancing on the blade of a “Kurdish knife”. There is also an opinion that the Kurds, who can profitably use the war in Syria, plan to fragment all those states in which they live - that is, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Syria and Azerbaijan.


Kurdish card: Assad wins, Erdogan loses?


The head of the largest political structure of the Syrian Kurds - PYD ("Party of Democratic Union") Salih Muslim confirmed that the movement will take part in the "Geneva-2", reports IA "REGNUM" with reference to "Firat".

Muslim stressed that the party will go to Geneva with its proposals.

Meanwhile, in Turkey, due to the Kurdish problem, they began to build a wall on the border.

As Anna Fedyakina writes ("Russian newspaper"), the wall on the border with the Syrian city of Kameshli is erected by the Turkish military. Ankara thus expects to prevent illegal intrusions into Turkish territory. The height of the wall will be two meters, and barbed wire will be fastened on it. The length of the wall is not specified.

It is noted that in that place (the Nusaybin neighborhood) illegal border crossings rarely occur. However, clashes between Kurds, Syrian opposition militants and Arab tribes occur regularly.

Earlier, in August, Ankara announced that it would not object to the emergence of an autonomous Kurdish region in northern Syria. He writes about it "Lenta.ru" with reference to "Hurriyet".

Representatives of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Intelligence of Turkey held talks with Salih Muslim on August 14. The Turks designated the conditions under which they are ready to accept the appearance of the Kurdish autonomy in the neighborhood: the decision should be made by the Syrian parliament after the establishment of a democratic regime there.

At present, recalls Lenta, Ankara strongly opposes the creation within Syria of a self-governing region with a predominantly Kurdish population.

Not surprisingly, let us add from ourselves that the government of Erdogan raised the question “edge”: in fact, in this way it is possible in one fell swoop of two birds with one stone. The first hare is the fall of Assad (the establishment of a “democratic regime” implies this). The second hare is the splitting of Syria along ethnic lines; a weak and fragmented Syria would completely suit Ankara, which claims to be a regional leader.

Comrade Muslim knew the answer: he explained to Erdogan’s envoys that the Kurds in northern Syria are not going to seek autonomy or independence: after all, they “see their future only as part of Syria.” Muslim and his party are well aware of where Ankara is headed and what will remain of Syria after the creation of a “democratic regime” there, headed by radical Islamist thugs, now leading the “opposition”.

In the article Karine Tes-Sahakyan (PanARMENIAN.Net), entitled “Erdogan is balancing on the blade of the Kurdish knife, it is emphasized that it will be very difficult for Turkey to find an acceptable solution to the Kurdish problem in the run-up to the 2014 elections of the year. In the confrontation of the Arab tribes, the Kurds may be the winners, which will be the embodiment of the most terrible dream of R. T. Erdogan.

The analyst points out that the return of battles with the Kurdish Workers Party is also possible in Turkey. If the situation worsens, Erdogan will lose his chances of being elected president. In Syria, the author notes, the Kurds were the only beneficiaries of the civil war. Assad gave way to Syrian Kurds to complicate the security problems of Ankara, and today Turkey’s southern border is mainly controlled by Kurdish forces. Erdogan’s policy in the Middle East, the analyst believes, failed. Rushing to do away with Assad and relying on US President Obama, he eventually received half a million Kurdish refugees from Syria, who could later form the “fifth column”.

An article by Azerbaijani analyst Rasim Agayev, published by the Hakkin.az portal, states that the Kurds are targeting the fragmentation of Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran and Azerbaijan. An overview of the material is given in the resource. Panorama.am.

According to Agayev, along the entire perimeter of Greater Kurdistan, a state that is not on the political map of the world, but which is in the US political projects, the Kurdish national movement is becoming more active.

The author cites the words of the Chairman of the International Union of Kurdish Public Organizations Merab Shamoev:

"The Kurds intend to seek from the world community the status of a subject of the federation in all 4 countries of compact residence - Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria."


The analyst refers to experts who believe that the rebel experience has established itself in the minds of the Kurdish massif as the most effective way of implementing autonomist projects. The author concludes:

“It is not difficult to imagine where the process of disintegration of the states of the region will turn after the final autonomization of the Kurds in Turkey, which seems inevitable for many. Like a mountain stream, it will rush into Azerbaijan, where they prefer not to notice streams, the muddy waters of which have already made their way into the very heart of the republic - Baku. ”


Love Lyulko (Pravda.ru) recalls that under the Kurdish political conflict lies the economic base - the oil of the Kurdish areas and control over the oil pipelines laid from Iran, Iraq and Jordan to the Mediterranean ports.

Omar Ose, envoy of Bashar Assad, visited the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan a month ago, where he explained to the Kurds that it was right to be friends with Syria. Ose quotes Rudaw newspaper:

“The current Syrian government is much better for the Kurds than the opposition. It will be in the interests of the Kurds if Assad remains in power. ”


Oshe believes that Turkey supports terrorist groups in order to rob Kurds of a chance for self-determination.

“He (Asad) asked me to tell you (the Kurds) that we are not against you. We are friends, and we fight on the same side of the front. If Syria is destroyed, then the turn of Iran will come, and after Iran - the turn of Kurdistan. ”


He further assured the Kurds that the Syrian government would not hinder the movement of the Peshmerga in Syria, if Massoud Barzani ordered the Iraqi Kurds to go to the aid of the Syrian Kurds.

"It just needs to be done on a coordinated basis."


As for the position of Russia, then, as L. Lyulko indicates, Moscow relies on the Kurds as one of the sensible parties to the conflict in Syria. The Kremlin insists on the participation of the Kurdish delegation in the "Geneva-2".

Thus, the Syrian war has actualized the Kurdish map and has shaken the position of the Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan, who planned with the help of Washington to remove President Assad from power in Syria. However, Assad not only does not give up, but continues to oppose the Islamist mercenaries. On the geopolitical scene, the Syrian president has also managed to achieve significant success - including because Damascus is not helped by Washington, but by Moscow.

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  1. Igor39
    Igor39 9 October 2013 07: 46 New
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    When Kurdistan arises, Turkey loses a good piece of territory. Give Kurdistan!
    1. vadimus
      vadimus 9 October 2013 08: 01 New
      +6
      The real political carnage. However, blood was shed unmeasured ....
    2. igor67
      igor67 9 October 2013 08: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Igor39
      When Kurdistan arises, Turkey loses a good piece of territory. Give Kurdistan!

      If Kurdistan appears, then Syria will also lose both territory and oil, there is a double-edged sword
      1. fklj
        fklj 9 October 2013 09: 29 New
        11
        Kurdistan - be on the world map! It is the matter of time.
        The territorial losses of Syria will be minimal. But Turkey may lose 1 / 5-1 / 6 of its area.
        1. Andrey57
          Andrey57 9 October 2013 10: 59 New
          +7
          Turks face loss of 40% of territory
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 9 October 2013 11: 29 New
            +2
            Rave...........
          2. xetai9977
            xetai9977 9 October 2013 18: 35 New
            0
            Believes such "agencies" as REGNUM, PANARMENIAN.NET- means to fall to their primitive level. The “article” has nothing to do with reality and absolutely does not take into account the specifics of the region. From what hangover Azerbaijan was dragged and for some reason "forgot" Armenia, although the Yezidi Kurds live there. Turkey is not a banana republic and no matter who is in power, Erdogan, Mehmet or Salaheddin will not give up a centimeter of territory, even if there will be millions of victims. Do not hesitate.
            1. Rusich51
              Rusich51 10 October 2013 18: 27 New
              +1
              Khetai times are changing, it seems the Kurds will get their state, the Americans rocked the boat.
        2. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 9 October 2013 11: 29 New
          10
          Don’t joke, Erroodrogan will pour all the blood on him at once, Kurdistan is what the United States wants, his creation will finish off IRAK, weaken Turkey and destroy Syria, and as a result will intensify Chaos on BV.
          1. fklj
            fklj 9 October 2013 12: 32 New
            +6
            Kurdistan is what the US wants

            Kurdistan is what the Kurds want. And they also know how to fight.
            intensify Chaos on BV.
            Is there room to strengthen? Through the efforts of the United States, nowhere else.
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 9 October 2013 18: 46 New
              +8
              The creation of Kurdistan will literally blow up the entire Middle East, in comparison with it, today's intra-Syrian clashes will seem like a children's game. The territorial integrity of Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Iran is at stake - more than 200 million live there! By the way, the Kurds have very close ties with the United States and Israel.
              1. Rusich51
                Rusich51 10 October 2013 18: 35 New
                +1
                Quote: xetai9977
                The creation of Kurdistan will literally blow up the entire Middle East, in comparison with it, today's intra-Syrian clashes will seem like a children's game. The territorial integrity of Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Iran is at stake - more than 200 million live there! By the way, the Kurds have very close ties with the United States and Israel.


                This is in Fashington’s plans.
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 9 October 2013 20: 04 New
            -2
            Quote: tilovaykrisa
            Erroodrogan will flood everything with blood at once,

            Danu)) You don’t know the political system of Turkey .... he is not Bashar al-Assad, to fill his country with blood ...... hi and the Kurdish as they used Aramn at the beginning of the 20th century, they use it now and then leave it in the back of history .. maximum cultural autonomy !!!!!!!!
            1. Rusich51
              Rusich51 10 October 2013 18: 42 New
              +2
              Quote: smersh70
              Quote: tilovaykrisa
              Erroodrogan will flood everything with blood at once,

              Danu)) You don’t know the political system of Turkey .... he is not Bashar al-Assad, to fill his country with blood ...... hi and the Kurdish as they used Aramn at the beginning of the 20th century, they use it now and then leave it in the back of history .. maximum cultural autonomy !!!!!!!!


              Erdogan cannot be compared with Assad. Assad respect. He is fighting the Amer plague. And Erdogan condones the spread of the plague, and in the end will receive Kurdistan.
      2. Igor39
        Igor39 9 October 2013 10: 34 New
        +6
        The Kurds in Syria have wide autonomy, they own a small territory. At least they will not spoil like Turkey. We choose the least evil.
        1. alone
          alone 9 October 2013 11: 01 New
          +6
          Quote: Igor39
          The Kurds in Syria have wide autonomy, they own a small territory.

          except for Iraq, the Kurds have nowhere and did not have autonomy. Why is it desirable to pass off as truth?
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 9 October 2013 11: 32 New
            +4
            A rare objective kament, in Iraq they have 100% autonomy with their government that does not actually obey anyone. Plus, I’m talking about the loss of Turkey 40% of the territory, just laughter.
        2. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 9 October 2013 19: 07 New
          +4
          Quote: Igor39
          The Kurds in Syria have wide autonomy, they own a small territory.

          Until recently, the Kurds of Syria did not even have citizenship and they didn’t have any autonomy there! So study and then write!
      3. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 9 October 2013 11: 25 New
        +2
        You are undeservedly minus (I correct as I can), I agree with you from such a development of events Syria will also suffer because it will lose part of the territory and several significant budget items.
      4. Rusich51
        Rusich51 10 October 2013 18: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: igor67
        Quote: Igor39
        When Kurdistan arises, Turkey loses a good piece of territory. Give Kurdistan!

        If Kurdistan appears, then Syria will also lose both territory and oil, there is a double-edged sword


        In this situation, this is a way out, and there it will be seen. Now the main thing is to destroy the pro-American rats.
    3. eplewke
      eplewke 9 October 2013 09: 21 New
      +6
      If Kurdistan emerges, Turkey will not just lose a piece! It will be a disaster for her! There will smell of blood, a lot of blood! It will be a massacre!
      1. igor67
        igor67 9 October 2013 09: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: eplewke
        If Kurdistan emerges, Turkey will not just lose a piece! It will be a disaster for her! There will smell of blood, a lot of blood! It will be a massacre!

        And what will it be for Syria? Kurds want an independent state from both Turkey and Syria with Iraq combined
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 9 October 2013 10: 25 New
          10
          Quote: igor67
          Kurds want an independent state from both Turkey and Syria with Iraq combined


          Iran, forgot Igor hi Kurds want to tear away land from Iran.
          1. igor67
            igor67 9 October 2013 10: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: Apollon
            Quote: igor67
            Kurds want an independent state from both Turkey and Syria with Iraq combined


            Iran, forgot Igor hi Kurds want to tear away land from Iran.

            Well, brother forgot, good morning !!!
          2. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 9 October 2013 11: 34 New
            +5
            They (Great Kurdistan) want to tear off the land from everyone, mainly from Turkey, the question is different, namely who supports them in this and who benefits from it.
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 9 October 2013 12: 10 New
              +4
              Kurds like with amers and Jews love to suck, and with everyone who is close to them, the relationship is not very like that of Russians with LCN.
              1. Scoun
                Scoun 9 October 2013 14: 00 New
                +9
                Quote: Semurg
                Kurds like with amers and Jews love

                eh eh eh ... comments "harness" one writes that Turkey will lose 40% of the earth the other "deliberately" writes nonsense and - "this is ridiculous", you write about the "love" of the Kurds to the Americans and other Israelis))
                According to My Humble Opinion, the “Kurdish question” is a simple “playing card” in the hands of the Geopolitical Players and this card will play since it will be allowed to play. that's all. hi
            2. Rusich51
              Rusich51 10 October 2013 18: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: tilovaykrisa
              They (Great Kurdistan) want to tear off the land from everyone, mainly from Turkey, the question is different, namely who supports them in this and who benefits from it.


              This is beneficial to amers - everyone knows.
      2. AVV
        AVV 9 October 2013 10: 22 New
        +6
        Kurdish gambit in action! For Syria, this is acceptable, for Erdogan a headache, and in the end a loss of power !!!
        1. igor67
          igor67 9 October 2013 10: 35 New
          0
          Quote: AVV
          Kurdish gambit in action! For Syria, this is acceptable, for Erdogan a headache, and in the end a loss of power !!!

          What is acceptable? Oil loss?
          1. Prishtina
            Prishtina 9 October 2013 14: 31 New
            +4
            Which already in fact two years are not mined because of the database! Nothing to lose..! Yes, and in SM found near the coast of the sickly reserves.
            1. 31231
              31231 9 October 2013 15: 43 New
              +2
              Non-residential reserves on the NW shelf is how much ?!
              In general, take a look at the reserves of the Iran-Qatari South Pars deposit and you will understand that such reserves are not cheap.
              1. Prishtina
                Prishtina 9 October 2013 21: 07 New
                +1
                Sound how much on UP ?? for starters .. and take a look at how many in CM))
                1. 31231
                  31231 9 October 2013 23: 25 New
                  +1
                  You begin to slide into demagogy. I asked you about stocks in SM ?!
                  You answered a question with a question.
                  I will answer - official data for the North / South Pars range from 23 to 28 trillion. cubic meters.
                  What I found about the Levantine basin in the Mediterranean is 3,5 trillion. http://ilgid.ru/economy/gas.html

                  On my own note, take a look at the conditions under which it is extracted, then you can guess the cost of hydrocarbons from the fields of the Levantine basin. Bggg. And what kind of mega-company began development.
                  1. alone
                    alone 9 October 2013 23: 29 New
                    +4
                    Quote: 31231
                    You begin to slide into demagogy. I asked you about stocks in SM ?!


                    Yes, do not argue with him. Many do not even know that the presence of any field does not mean that they will exploit it. Sometimes reserves, whatever numbers are calculated, do not cover production costs. The oil and gas industry is a very difficult industry. everyone can know what it is hi
          2. 31231
            31231 9 October 2013 15: 40 New
            +4
            What is there a lot of oil ?! How much data did not look at Syria, all small and polluted deposits. Or you as a professor:
            "We have a lot of gas on the shelf!"
            "How many?"
            "Enough for us."
            "And that you consider a lot ?!"
    4. smersh70
      smersh70 9 October 2013 10: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Igor39
      Turkey is losing a good piece of territory. Give Kurdistan!

      You know, well, Turkish society! This is the best ingot copied from the USSR in relation to the defense of their HOMELAND !!!!! they completely rewrote all the documents of the Political Administration of the SA and willingly carry out this life! do not be so loud !!!!!!!! here a couple of months ago everyone predicted an end to Erdogan and Turkey because of a couple of appearances in the park! you can see, I opposed, I got a bunch of red in the end he was right! smile
      1. a52333
        a52333 9 October 2013 11: 53 New
        +5
        all predicted an end to Erdogan
        Not over yet. It was a yellow card.
      2. Rusich51
        Rusich51 10 October 2013 18: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: smersh70
        Quote: Igor39
        Turkey is losing a good piece of territory. Give Kurdistan!

        You know, well, Turkish society! This is the best ingot copied from the USSR in relation to the defense of their HOMELAND !!!!! they completely rewrote all the documents of the Political Administration of the SA and willingly carry out this life! do not be so loud !!!!!!!! here a couple of months ago everyone predicted an end to Erdogan and Turkey because of a couple of appearances in the park! you can see, I opposed, I got a bunch of red in the end he was right! smile


        Still to come, the CIA and other Fashington services are on the alert. Do not doubt it.
    5. igorelo
      igorelo 9 October 2013 23: 06 New
      +1
      And Kurds will receive a large state and 45 million people will finally become independent
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 9 October 2013 23: 26 New
        +3
        How much, but they went too much!
    6. catapractic
      catapractic 13 October 2013 18: 00 New
      0
      not only Turkey-Iraq, Syria, Iran too
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 9 October 2013 08: 08 New
    +2
    According to Anna Fedyakina (Rossiyskaya Gazeta), the Turkish military is building a wall on the border with the Syrian city of El-Kamyshly. Ankara thus expects to prevent illegal entry into Turkish territory. The height of the wall will be two meters, and barbed wire will be fixed on it. The length of the wall is not specified.

    Another "Berlin" wall. Will it help?
  3. Dyukha Siberian
    Dyukha Siberian 9 October 2013 08: 25 New
    +7
    interesting, but from the side of the Assad opposition will the heads of Alkaida arrive, or will their United States be represented at Geneva-2? The opposition is unlikely to agree to participate this time either! Well done Kurds, fighting as they can for their interests!
    1. eplewke
      eplewke 9 October 2013 09: 23 New
      +1
      If al-Qaeda arrived, it would be nice to blow them up ...
      1. baku1999
        baku1999 9 October 2013 18: 46 New
        +4
        AHA, DIRECTLY IN THE SORT laughing laughing laughing ...............
  4. SolomonSS
    SolomonSS 9 October 2013 08: 36 New
    +4
    Of course it's all good, Geneva 2, Moscow's support! But people are dying because of uneducated bearded men, who would just let someone bleed. And the worst thing is that all this goes under the guise of religion - false religion.
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 9 October 2013 08: 51 New
      0
      These bearded men are killed at the behest of Turkey, even if this country even decays for its actions against its neighbors.
      1. ultra
        ultra 9 October 2013 13: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: Marrying
        These bearded men kill at the behest of Turkey,

        Well, it’s unlikely! Turkey is still a pawn in this game, although it marks in the queens, the main puppeteers are in Qatar and Saudi Arabia! hi
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 9 October 2013 20: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: Marrying
        let this country even rot for its actions against its neighbors.


        stoic just resting ........ laughing
      3. Rusich51
        Rusich51 10 October 2013 18: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: Marrying
        These bearded men are killed at the behest of Turkey, even if this country even decays for its actions against its neighbors.


        Yes, Erdogan did not show flexibility and ended up in .ope.
  5. darksoul
    darksoul 9 October 2013 08: 39 New
    +9
    So let the Kurds separate ..... and then the Turks were going to revive the Ottoman Empire .... the national consciousness woke up ... l ... I
    1. alone
      alone 9 October 2013 23: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: darksoul
      . national consciousness woke up b ... l ... I


      and their national identity seems to have gone nowhere)))))
  6. Koronik
    Koronik 9 October 2013 08: 45 New
    +5
    Since the days of the Soviet Union, there has not been such a fundamental and most important rational policy of Russia in the international plan. The main thing is that we are believed, and the opposite effect cannot be allowed, whatever it would cost us.
  7. rugor
    rugor 9 October 2013 08: 47 New
    +6
    The Ottoman Empire at the southern borders we do not need. Lavrov everything will be cleverly wiped, grated kalach. laughing
  8. Zhenya
    Zhenya 9 October 2013 08: 49 New
    12
    The Turks did intrigues, did ... Turkey entertained itself with imperial ambitions, entertained ... and now it is on the verge of loneliness, there it is dear to it, do not dig a hole, you will get into it yourself.
    Give Konstantinopol back to the Greeks, stop trampling the enemy’s land to the enemies !!!
    1. eplewke
      eplewke 9 October 2013 09: 25 New
      +4
      I agree with you. Even the Americans turned away and began to intimidate Erdogan with popular unrest. He even began to buy weapons from China. With Israel, they have a relationship in general like a cat with a dog! On the wrong side, in general, Erdogan was. And now it's too late. Turkey has turned into an obedient shepherd dog with laxative pills in the doghouse ...
    2. fklj
      fklj 9 October 2013 09: 33 New
      +3
      Give Konstantinopol back to the Greeks, stop trampling the enemy’s land to the enemies !!!

      Do the Greeks? But in general, the idea is true.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 9 October 2013 09: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: fklj
        Give Konstantinopol back to the Greeks, stop trampling the enemy’s land to the enemies !!!

        Do the Greeks? But in general, the idea is true.

        Russia has always been interested in the straits, primarily in terms of security and openness to shipping. So, if there is a turmoil in Turkey, and as a result instability in the zone of straits, it would be quite natural for Russia to take measures to protect its interests.
        1. fklj
          fklj 9 October 2013 09: 54 New
          +1
          Sometimes you strike with your insight hi Question to you: Turkey is your ally, but you (the United States) opened the Kurdish snuff-box (in Iraq, really), what is the general line?
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 9 October 2013 20: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: Nagan
          for Russia to take measures to protect its interests.


          so the straits are regulated by the Treaty .... or do you think that there will be a ride with the story of Mishiko laughing
        3. Rusich51
          Rusich51 10 October 2013 19: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Nagan

          Russia has always been interested in the straits, primarily in terms of security and openness to shipping. So, if there is a turmoil in Turkey, and as a result instability in the zone of straits, it would be quite natural for Russia to take measures to protect its interests.

          Britons again fit, as in the empire.
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 9 October 2013 12: 10 New
      +6
      Quote: Marrying
      Give Konstantinopol back to the Greeks, stop trampling the enemy’s land to the enemies !!!

      Let the Greeks take "their" Constantinople themselves.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 9 October 2013 12: 12 New
        +8
        Quote: Setrac
        Quote: Marrying
        Give Konstantinopol back to the Greeks, stop trampling the enemy’s land to the enemies !!!

        Let the Greeks take "their" Constantinople themselves.

        it’s for sure and not on someone else’s hump and to paradise.
    4. xetai9977
      xetai9977 9 October 2013 19: 33 New
      +1
      Zhenya, eplevke, fclzh Dreaming is sometimes harmful. Why do not you go to "free" ISTANBUL, but just knock with the keys?
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 9 October 2013 19: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: xetai9977
        Zhenya, eplevke, fclzh Dreaming is sometimes harmful. Why do not you go to "free" ISTANBUL, but just knock with the keys?


        Rauf do not pay attention to such statements! We all know that this is just idle talk!
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 9 October 2013 20: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: xetai9977
        Why do not you go to "free" ISTANBUL, but just knock with the keys?


        so after all, the Turks, who are living around the straits, have not yet been given Russian passports ..... laughing ....
    5. smersh70
      smersh70 9 October 2013 20: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Marrying
      Give Constantinople back to the Greeks


      and go to war, I hope in the forefront ......... wassat
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 9 October 2013 20: 29 New
        0
        Quote: smersh70
        but go to war, I hope in the forefront.

        Of course the neighbor's child will send!
        1. Zhenya
          Zhenya 9 October 2013 20: 48 New
          +4
          [b] ayyildiz [/ b] glorify your rotten turkey somewhere else, okay? It is desirable in my country and on my site, I do not want to hear your rot on a Russian site. And do not write in Russian, do not dishonor my language and remove the flag of which you are not worthy.
          [b] xetai9977 [/ b There is no city of Istanbul, there is conquered Constantinople (second Rome), the shrine of Christians trodden by Muslims.
          [b] smersh70 [/ b] I do not need to poke.
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 9 October 2013 20: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Marrying
            b] ayyildiz [/ b] glorify your rotten turkey somewhere else, okay? It is desirable in my country and on my site, I do not want to hear your rot on a Russian site. And do not write in Russian, do not dishonor my language and remove the flag of which you are not worthy.

            Is your comrade all right with your head?
            1. Zhenya
              Zhenya 9 October 2013 21: 07 New
              +3
              ayyildiz Tombovsky Wolf comrade to you wink Do you think I forgot how much bile was from you for the words "death of Turkey" and how you crucified referring to the Turks, almost through the topic ?? You think I would love to live in it? So change the flag under the profile picture, I don’t want people who came here for the first time to see so many praises of a hostile country on behalf of the flag of my country .. I remember very well I don’t like it, there is a black list, God help me.
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 9 October 2013 21: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: Marrying
            and on your site,

            Quote: Marrying
            And do not write in Russian

            .... and this is written by a Russian person ... smile in his native .....
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            2. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 9 October 2013 21: 17 New
              0
              [quote = smersh70] .and this is written by a Russian person ... in his native language ... [/ quote

              It would seem to him a psychiatrist! fellow
            3. Zhenya
              Zhenya 9 October 2013 21: 19 New
              +3
              smersh70What to do, we are all prone to typos wink
      2. Ulysses
        Ulysses 9 October 2013 21: 16 New
        +4
        The Turks were a little offended, and how many rams on the forum immediately spilled over. sad
        1. Rusich51
          Rusich51 10 October 2013 19: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Ulysses
          The Turks were a little offended, and how many rams on the forum immediately spilled over. sad


          Forget about the Turks - there are Turks, Azerbaijanis, Uzbeks, Kazakhs and more. Everyone has their own interests. Pan-Turkism nefig here to promote, as well as pan-Islam.
    6. both s69
      both s69 10 October 2013 05: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Marrying
      Give Constantinople back to the Greeks, stop trampling the enemy’s land!

      Let it be so! The prophecy of St. Seraphim of Sarov should be fulfilled about the exclusion of Istanbul from Turkey and the return to him of the glorious name of Constantine - the Vasileus of the Roman Empire. good
  9. Odysseus
    Odysseus 9 October 2013 08: 52 New
    +7
    The Assad government has a very reasonable policy towards the Kurds.
    In general, after the aggression against Iraq in 2003 and the de facto secession of Kurdish Iraq, the appearance on the map of the Kurdish state became a matter of time.
    And here it is important for Russia not to sleep, but to establish relations with them in advance. Friendly relations with the future Kurdish state are the key to Russia's influence in the region. The only difficult problem that we may have is the issue of Iranian Kurdistan.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 9 October 2013 09: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: Odyssey
      The only difficult problem that we may have is the issue of Iranian Kurdistan.
      We must work to ensure that this is not a problem, but rather the ability to hold the ayatollah by the eggs, so that if necessary, squeeze.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 9 October 2013 19: 23 New
        +5
        Quote: Nagan
        We must work to ensure that this is not a problem, but rather the ability to hold the ayatollah by the eggs, so that if necessary, squeeze.

        Russia has good relations with Iran and it would be foolish to destroy them. And support for the emergence of an independent Kurdish state on the territory of Turkey and Iraq immediately raises the question of Iranian Kurds. Here, you must act carefully maintaining good relations with both Kurds and Persians.
    2. fklj
      fklj 9 October 2013 09: 56 New
      +1
      Restore relationships. The USSR supported the Kurds.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 9 October 2013 11: 06 New
        +4
        Quote: fklj
        Restore relationships. The USSR supported the Kurds.

        The USSR may have supported and Stalin expelled Kurds to Kazakhstan, they are still found here.
    3. kuzeyli
      kuzeyli 9 October 2013 11: 40 New
      +1
      There will be no independent Kurdish state. Because the Kurds have no access to the sea.
      1. fklj
        fklj 9 October 2013 12: 46 New
        +1
        If there is a state, there will be access to the sea. Shore of Iskenderun Bay, for example. Yes, and you can live without the sea
        1. vahatak
          vahatak 9 October 2013 19: 18 New
          +3
          You can live without the sea, of course, but have you seen where the Kurds are and where Iskanderun is?
      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus 9 October 2013 19: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: kuzeyli
        There will be no independent Kurdish state. Because the Kurds have no access to pestilence

        Strange train of thought. There are many landlocked states. Moreover, the Kurds have oil.
        The de facto state is already Iraqi Kurdistan.
  10. Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 9 October 2013 08: 52 New
    +4
    I knew a couple of Kurds - very warlike, straightforward, hot.
    Similar in this, probably, to Chechens / Dagestanis.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 9 October 2013 21: 09 New
      0
      Then on our Bashkirs.
  11. bedniyyorik
    bedniyyorik 9 October 2013 09: 24 New
    +3
    Give Konstantinopol back to the Greeks, stop trampling the enemy’s land to the enemies !!![/ Quote]
    Better us and the Crimea back !!!
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 9 October 2013 10: 30 New
      +1
      Crimea will join us soon smile
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      1. smersh70
        smersh70 9 October 2013 20: 19 New
        0
        Quote: xetai9977
        Well, try it. Or are you a keyboard fighter too?

        right now they’ll come from the branch about Mishiko, the rest of the fighters will pick up ...... laughing
  12. Stiletto
    Stiletto 9 October 2013 09: 28 New
    +5
    Quote: Ram Chandra
    I knew a couple of Kurds - very warlike, straightforward, hot. In this, they probably look like Chechens / Dagestanis.


    This is the very thing that Erdogan and the Turetschin’s vitally lacking. You see, there will be less crawling when such a problem arises in the form of its own crumbling country. Let Turkey feel what it is like to tear apart foreign countries to pieces. With all the consequences ...
  13. fklj
    fklj 9 October 2013 09: 50 New
    +9
    Strange are these Turks. Having an extremely advantageous territorial position of their country, they climbed to open the "Pandora's Box": the North Caucasus, Crimea, Kosovo, Central Asia, now they poke their nose into Syria. This is despite the fact that they have centuries-old territorial disputes with neighbors and an emerging state within its borders.
  14. Support
    Support 9 October 2013 10: 12 New
    +2
    At one time I read in one entertaining book the following option - to provide the Kurds with the status of, in my opinion, autonomy in the territory of Chechnya. Let their families move from hot spots in Turkey, Iraq, etc. And let the most active ones restore order, bridges and achieve their autonomy (or even the status of a country) at those points. And the condition is that there should not be any byak from the side of sowing. the Caucasus of the Russian Federation did not climb in all directions. They are hot, experienced guys and will teach Chechens and others like them to respect (and be afraid of) Power (for any power is from God).))
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 9 October 2013 11: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: Prop
      to grant Kurds with the status of, in my opinion, autonomy in the territory of Chechnya.

      Dreams Dreams. winked .a now read the present ---
      For two days now, battles have been going on in the area of ​​the village of Atma on the border with Turkey between the units of Jeysh Muhajirin wa Ansar and the Kurdish Communist formations of the Kurdistan Workers' Party.
      It is reported that the Kurds, having violated the ceasefire, unexpectedly occupied the dominant heights above the village of Atma and began to shell the Mujahideen.
      In response, units of the Jeysh Mukhajirin wa Ansar stormed the skyscrapers. During the assault, the formation of the PKK were knocked out of the skyscrapers. Having lost more than 25 people killed, the Kurds hastily retreated. Losses from the “Jaysh Mukhajirin wa Ansar” amounted to 5 Mujahideen. Among the martyrs, 2 Mujahideen from Chechnya, 1 from Bosnia and 2 Mujahideen from Turkmenistan.
      As of the evening of Thursday, September 26, Mujahideen took control of all the skyscrapers in the area of ​​Atma and put up a ribat.
      It seems the Kurds lost the battle for the peaks of Afrin to the Chechens there. The Kurds lost the peaks of Afrin and then went to a truce. Prior to this, ISIS has already reported that they are in the hands of the border crossing of Abu Salam in the north of Aleppo province. In addition, it was reported that the last height was recaptured from the PKK near the village of Atma. and if you do not believe me, I can throw a ceasefire agreement between Chechens and Kurds .....
      1. kuzeyli
        kuzeyli 9 October 2013 11: 51 New
        +5
        When taking defense heights, the loss ratio is usually the opposite of the one described.
      2. George
        George 9 October 2013 12: 23 New
        +1
        smersh70 hi
        Quote: smersh70
        It seems the Kurds lost the battle for the peaks of Afrin to the Chechens there. The Kurds lost the peaks of Afrin and then went to a truce. Prior to this, ISIS has already reported that they are in the hands of the border crossing of Abu Salam in the north of Aleppo province. In addition, it was reported that the last height was recaptured from the PKK near the village of Atma. and if you do not believe me, I can throw a ceasefire agreement between Chechens and Kurds .....

        So I do not understand, then we move the Chechens there laughing ?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 9 October 2013 13: 04 New
          +3
          Quote: GEORGE
          then we move the Chechens there

          laughing good so this question is not for me,) but for Comrade Opora hi
      3. Djozz
        Djozz 9 October 2013 12: 58 New
        +1
        What is the source!
      4. Scoun
        Scoun 9 October 2013 17: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: smersh70
        Losses from the “Jaysh Mukhajirin wa Ansar” amounted to 5 Mujahideen. Among the martyrs, 2 Mujahideen from Chechnya, 1 from Bosnia and 2 Mujahideen from Turkmenistan.

        With what fright did they become "martyrs"? it’s a lot of honor to call this lousy rabble shahids ... hell they are hellish.
        PS,
        The source of this information calling thug thugs "martyrs" definitely causes a certain attitude.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 9 October 2013 17: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Scoun
          With what fright did they become martyrs?


          someone like .... took information from one site ... it was a bearded man ... by the way, I remember in the days of the USSR some were called spies .... and others were the same, but Soviet, called scouts)))) .. well this so by the way ... that Kama is both more convenient and calls its own ........
          1. Scoun
            Scoun 9 October 2013 19: 24 New
            +4
            Quote: smersh70
            that kamu is both more convenient and calls his own.

            ))) that's for sure .. first the mujahideen and then al Qaeda
          2. Sandov
            Sandov 11 October 2013 11: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: smersh70
            Quote: Scoun
            With what fright did they become martyrs?


            someone like .... took information from one site ... it was a bearded man ... by the way, I remember in the days of the USSR some were called spies .... and others were the same, but Soviet, called scouts)))) .. well this so by the way ... that Kama is both more convenient and calls its own ........


            Criminals and murderers, by definition, cannot be martyrs. Rats are rats.
    2. vahatak
      vahatak 9 October 2013 19: 27 New
      -1
      Quote: Prop
      They are hot, experienced guys and will teach Chechens and others like them to respect (and be afraid)

      Are you sure that the Kurds can teach the Chechens anything? Kurds look warlike against the background of other Persians and Arabs, but until the Chechens they still have to grow and grow (in terms of cruelty and militancy).
      However, back in the 19th century, after the end of the Caucasian War, many Caucasians moved to Turkey and entered the service of the Sultan, proving himself to be the best in his army.
  15. morpogr
    morpogr 9 October 2013 11: 08 New
    +4
    Erdogan fought for democracy in Syria and ran into the Kurdish version. "who sows the wind - reap the storm" Apparently he did not know about this saying. The more he regretted it.
  16. RUSS
    RUSS 9 October 2013 11: 13 New
    +3
    Unfortunately, Kurds are often used in the Big Game, when someone else needs them since World War I, but in the end they are left with nothing.
  17. ed65b
    ed65b 9 October 2013 12: 03 New
    +2
    Okay, with the Kurds the Kurds can and will succeed, but with Iran, Turkey and Azerbaijan in particular, it is hard to believe that.
    1. vahatak
      vahatak 9 October 2013 19: 29 New
      +2
      Under Saddam, too, no one believed that something could work out for the Kurds in Iraq, but you yourself see how the card went down.
    2. Rusich51
      Rusich51 10 October 2013 19: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      Okay, with the Kurds the Kurds can and will succeed, but with Iran, Turkey and Azerbaijan in particular, it is hard to believe that.


      Amers need this - so it will be.
  18. Djozz
    Djozz 9 October 2013 13: 01 New
    +1
    Living in a glass house, they don’t throw stones at neighbors! Kurds are not Armenians you cannot “eat” them without horseradish! I mean the massacre of Armenians at the beginning of the 20th century.
  19. Black
    Black 9 October 2013 13: 05 New
    +2
    Quote: Andrey57
    Turks face loss of 40% of territory

    Quote: RUSS
    Kurds are often used in the Big Game, when someone else needs them since World War I


    Kurds with their idea of ​​fixation on statehood are in the throat of the states on which they live. And this, indeed, is skillfully manipulated.
    Erdogan, hoping for the collapse of Syria, apparently decided that it would be possible to create Kurdistan on a piece of Syrian territory and solve the long-standing problem of troubled Kurds. Cynical, of course .... but where and who will show me moral solutions in the foreign policy of states.
    The question would be solved for a short time ... another thing is that the “neoplasm” would not sit still, but would present territorial demands to the Turks ... well, they would solve the problems as they arrived.
    Not faded, it seems.
  20. Luga
    Luga 9 October 2013 13: 42 New
    +1
    States are doing everything to destabilize the region. An attempt to redraw the borders is a war, which means it is in the hands of the states. Talk about autonomy - please, such autonomy in itself will sufficiently weaken the Turks, and we do not need a war. RUSS is right, everyone is ready to play the Kurdish card, but independent Kurdistan has never been and will never be needed by anyone. To us including. The sluggish political process of organizing autonomy with the possibility of pressure on the Turks with threats of interference in this process is just that. And what will independent Kurdistan become ... Look, Israel was allowed to take place as an independent state, and how much blood has already been shed, and how much more will be shed ...
  21. kush62
    kush62 9 October 2013 13: 49 New
    +5
    Quote: The main puppeteers are sitting in Qatar and Saudi Arabia!

    The main puppeteers are in the United States, and their main assistants are in Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
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  23. 31231
    31231 9 October 2013 15: 46 New
    +3
    The fact that the Kurds finally began to massively fight with the opposition Assad is good.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 9 October 2013 19: 46 New
      +2
      Kurds do not fight for Assad. They fight only for themselves.
      1. 31231
        31231 10 October 2013 03: 59 New
        +3
        I wrote somewhere that they are fighting for Assad ?! I think I wrote that they are at war with Assad’s enemies. Not?!
  24. samoletil18
    samoletil18 9 October 2013 19: 08 New
    +4
    Turkey is a strong country. The Kurds, of course, are also fighters, but the British, when they left the Middle East, deliberately divided everyone up wrongly, like India and Pakistan + Bangladesh, Kuwait and Iraq. And the Kurds were divided between 4 newcomer countries. And here is a difficult combination. On the one hand, the Kurds are divided by state. borders, on the other hand, they can consolidate against a common enemy. But who said that Turkey will be the enemy. Just because there is PKK? In Iraq, the Kurds have already achieved considerable independence. And if Iran offers its Kurds even more autonomously than Iraqi. And the Americans are going to leave Iraq. And where will the Kurdish turn in terms of special love between Iran and Iraq? And they can, and according to Erdogan. In any case, Saakashvili in vain held an early election. Now the Americans would kiss HIS in the ass, and not Ivanishvili. The latter may begin to be friends with Russia. And only the southern coast of the Persian Gulf will remain to the Americans. This, of course, if Assad will stand.
    1. alone
      alone 9 October 2013 19: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: samoletil18
      And the Kurds were divided between 4 newcomer countries.

      do you think Iran and Turkey are newcomers?))) wow newcomers.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 9 October 2013 20: 23 New
        +5
        Quote: lonely
        ) wow newcomers.


        they meant the newly formed republics at the beginning of the 20th century))))
    2. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 9 October 2013 19: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: samoletil18
      . Kurds, of course, fighters too,

      They didn’t know how to fight without foolishness! I know from personal experience! And more than half were not Kurds in their ranks! If you ask the Kurds more than 80% they will say that the PAC does not pursue their interests! hi
    3. xetai9977
      xetai9977 9 October 2013 19: 49 New
      +6
      The Kurds in Iran already had an independent entity, the Mehabad Republic. The Persians crushed her with particular cruelty.
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 9 October 2013 20: 59 New
        -1
        Well, I briefly tried. In Turkey, already 3 years under Ataturk, the Kurdish Ararat Republic was. And in the 19th century among the Ottomans, the Administrative Regions of the Kurds were officially called Kurdistan. Maybe I didn’t talk like that, in the little things. But from communication with the Turks (simple), an insult to the Kurds was visible, as if they were allowed dofig, but they did not want to live in peace. Clearly, propaganda and all that, but the Turks are specifically worried about this.
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 9 October 2013 21: 11 New
        0
        Quote: xetai9977
        The Persians crushed her with particular cruelty.

        .and rightly done! separatism must be crushed in the bud !!!! good
  25. Agent 008
    Agent 008 9 October 2013 23: 51 New
    +5
    The enemy of my enemy is my friend ... It seems to me that the Syrians and Kurds understand each other as they should ...
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 10 October 2013 00: 11 New
      0
      Quote: agent xnumx
      It seems to me that the Syrians and Kurds understand each other as they should ...

      Therefore, they have not been given citizenship for so many years and have not taken them to work in government institutions!
  26. pinecone
    pinecone 10 October 2013 08: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: Marrying
    Give Konstantinopol back to the Greeks, stop trampling the enemy’s land to the enemies !!!

    Let the Greeks take "their" Constantinople themselves.


    How can one take it when the population in this metropolis is much larger than in all of Greece.
  27. Yeraz
    Yeraz 10 October 2013 20: 24 New
    0
    Well, go take it, we will meet you)))
    By the way, ravings about Kurds, I’m here all the rules and they madly adore Azerbaijanis, everywhere drop dead attitude.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 10 October 2013 20: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Yeraz
      By the way, ravings about Kurds, I’m here all the rules


      and this is what you write.

      Kurds held a rally in Turkey: “The authorities should ask forgiveness from АЛcalan”
      15 years ago in a country where terrorist No. 1 was imprisoned, this could not be imagined
      http://www.vesti.az/news/176839