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Fukushima: blood and radiation

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Frightening come from japan news: then information will be received about hundreds of thousands of tons of radioactive water, it will become clear that the water pumps have failed at the nuclear power plant, the hard workers will shed radioactive water under their feet, then, finally, an angry voice will be heard from the Japanese Nuclear Regulatory Agency. And recently, an assistant of a senator revealed through the Internet that many Japanese have bleeding from the nose. Flows and does not stop ...


As the correspondent of 4 reported October RIA News" Ksenia Naka, the ALPS radioactive water purification system at the Fukushima-1 NPP resumed operation after the shutdown. This was reported by the operator - the company "TERCO" (Tokyo Electric Power Co.). The reason for the next stop were violations in the installation of the system, and not a technical failure.

About 440 thousand tons of polluted water accumulated in underground rooms and cisterns. Moreover, the volume of radioactive water in underground rooms is growing due to groundwater coming from high ground.

Through the use of ALPS, experts expect to solve the problem of accumulated polluted water. But troubles again bother: the ALPS began to be tried back in March, but the equipment was stopped due to technical problems. The Japanese are stuck at the testing stage.

The ALPS system can purify water from 62 types of radionuclides, with the exception of tritium, and the operating equipment only purifies water from cesium. On the day, “ALPS” cleans up to 500 tons of water.

This number does not seem large if you go back to those 440 thousands of tons that accumulated "Fukushima-1". TERSO plans to completely clear the water accumulated in the underground rooms of the power units, the technical tunnel of the station and tanks from radiation only by the end of March 2015.

Regarding the situation at nuclear power plants, the head of the agency that regulates the work of the nuclear industry in Japan spoke earlier. He sharply criticized the management of the operating company, "Euronews".

The Secretary General of the Nuclear Regulatory Agency of Japan publicly reprimanded the head of TERSO, Naomi Hirose:

“The problem of“ TEPCO ”today is that after the incident at the Fukushima nuclear power plant, the operating company did not take basic safety precautions. How the management of TEPCO resolves this situation is extremely dissatisfying. ”


Two days later, there was information about a power failure at a nuclear power plant. As transmits RBC, water pumps suffered from failure.

Pumps in the reactor cooling system suffered as a result of a power failure in October 6, TERSO reported. According to Reuters, the reserve capacity was immediately put into operation.

On the same day, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe delivered a speech. Speaking at an international scientific forum in Kyoto, he said that Japan is ready to accept foreign assistance to stop the leakage of radioactive water, reports RBC with reference to the Associated Press.

Andrey Reznichenko, the head of the editorial board of science, ecology and technology, outlined his vision of a series of problems at Fukushima, primarily related to the leakage of highly radioactive water. RIA News".

After a recent leak, measurements in the area of ​​tanks showed strontium content in the 200 concentration of thousands of Becquerels per liter at the statutory standard of 30 Becquerels per liter. The scientists named 200 thousand Bq for strontium are declared mid-level radioactive waste.

The neighbors of Japan have nothing to fear, the expert believes. Water ingress may even improve the situation. Ocean analyst calls the "great solvent."

But the question is: why is Fukushima constantly reeling? The answer is definitely not, because it is still not clear exactly what is happening with molten reactors. Andrei Reznichenko advises adding “skilled hands” on Fukushima by seeking international assistance. And to approach this should be very serious. First of all, you need to ask for help from Russia: it has a unique experience in analyzing, predicting and eliminating the consequences of accidents at nuclear facilities.

As for tritium, it could be dropped into the ocean. The idea of ​​discharging tritium accumulated in water into the ocean does not contain anything new, the expert points out. Similar plums are practiced in Canada and the UK. Such a discharge should be carried out under the control of the international community. True, Reznichenko believes that because of the “tantrum” around Fukushima, the Japanese will not go to such discharges.

Another solution to problems is to switch to another type of cooling of reactors and cooling pools (by air).

While the Japanese are late in asking for international assistance, information about massive bleeding has penetrated into the press.

According to Andrei Kamenetsky ("But"), Takahiro Katsumi — Senator Tadashi Inuzuku’s international affairs assistant — raised a wave of panic. He sat on Twitter and made a discovery:

- From 22 to 23 September, the word "nosebleeds" wrote more than 5 thousand people;
- From 20 to 30 of September, more than three thousand people wrote “I can’t stop the bleeding from the nose”;
- From 28 to September 30, more than 2,5 thousands of people wrote “my nose is bleeding.”

Katsumi began to collect feedback on Facebook, and immediately people of different ages began to turn to him. Parents wrote for young children. All complained about the blood from the nose. The most problematic was the Kanto region. Light bleeding is noted in Hokkaido and Osaka-Kyoto-Kobe region.

“Nosebleeds in themselves are not entirely characteristic of radiation sickness. It usually arises as a side factor in severe damage to the body when there are more severe symptoms. However, there is a nuance. The hematopoietic syndrome of radiation sickness is characterized by a drop in the number of blood cells and the occurrence of aplastic anemia. A person loses immunity along with white blood cells, feels fatigued as with anemia due to the loss of red blood cells ... and begins to bleed freely without platelets. The majority of Katsumi respondents complained about anemia. ”


A. Kamenetsky reminds that 16 June 2011 was published by Tokyo Shimbun newspaper about many children from Koriyama (Fukushima Prefecture), who had suffered from nausea, anemia and nonstop nasal bleeding for several days in a row.

The same Katsumi conveyed an unconfirmed report that the 120-meter exhaust pipe on Fukushima-1 collapsed after a recent earthquake. As if a huge radioactive cloud of dust had risen, then spreading across the country.

And here Arnold Gundersen, the leading engineer of Fairewinds Associates, spoke out. This consulting firm works in the field of nuclear energy. According to Gundersen, Japanese doctors repeatedly applied to Fairewinds, claiming that they had patients with radiation sickness. The fact is that the authorities forbid reporting to the patients themselves. According to Gundersen’s estimates, there is a risk of radiation release comparable to 15.000 Hiroshima due to new leaks of radioactive water and impending tropical storms.

As Mary Saito points out (NBC News - “Reuters”), while radiation continues to leak into the Pacific, the Japanese government plans to spend half a billion dollars to contain the disaster.

October 7 shares of the company TEPCO fell 8,9 percent.

Martin Fackler ("The New York Times") cites the “TEPCO” message that the water pump used to cool one of the reactors may have stopped due to a human error. A statement of a fault in the electrical panel did not sound.

Where did it come from?

It turns out that its source is a release for a government regulator. The “alternative” explanation is that the worker could accidentally turn off the main pump by pressing the stop button during a routine check.

In any case, the journalist writes, this refusal is the last straw that has overflowed the cup of patience. The public no longer believes in the promises of TEPCO to purify water.

Last week, the author adds, it was reported that workers simply spilled 114 liters of radioactive water, mistakenly trying to pour water into a tank already filled with water ...

Thus, let us add on our own, the Japanese, with their mentality, who tells everyone to keep quiet and lie for the sake of the same silence, are unlikely to cope with the nuclear problem without international assistance. After the speech of Shinzo Abe at the scientific forum, decisions should be expected in this very direction.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 8 October 2013 08: 01 New
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    After the Fukushima story in my personal ratings, “smart nation” and technically developed country, “Japan collapsed.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 8 October 2013 10: 28 New
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      The neighbors of Japan have nothing to fear, the expert believes. Water ingress may even improve the situation. Ocean analyst calls the "great solvent."

      I agree, such arguments are not smart. I wonder where this expert studied?
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 8 October 2013 11: 06 New
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        where did this expert study?

        What the hell is an expert ?! The impostor writer, Andrei Reznichenko, the head of the editorial board of science, ecology and technology. In short, a fucking nerd. Even our men are drawn there ?! The reactor was built by smart Americans, so let’s climb there with buckets in it, and even Andryukha Roznichenko will be taken with them to bathe if tritium helps him from sore throat and schizophrenia, and, not an expert.
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 9 October 2013 00: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: Sergh
          In short, the fucking nerd


          No need to offend nerds. By the way, it was the botanists who gave the world rubber, all medicines, many means to alleviate suffering, both physical and mental fellow
        2. scientist
          scientist 9 October 2013 20: 45 New
          +3
          Grnpisovtsev from prison should be sent there for a couple of years of correctional labor.
      2. theadenter
        theadenter 8 October 2013 11: 57 New
        +5
        In March-April, fish spawn in coastal waters. Radiation accumulates on caviar and fish. Then this fish with the N-th generation mutates. And then down the food chain.
        They’re afraid of nothing at all ... not a bit.
        1. Far East
          Far East 8 October 2013 12: 39 New
          +3
          Quote: theadenter
          In March-April, fish spawn in coastal waters. Radiation accumulates on caviar and fish. Then this fish with the N-th generation mutates. And then down the food chain.
          They’re afraid of nothing at all ... not a bit.

          Dear, do not raise a panic! only sho ended whale Putin specially checked it is clean! You will know the red is coming down from the NORTH! FROM THE SOUTH HER JAPANES ALL BEATED! when salmon spawning, in June, then yapi nets cover all sho! so, don’t panic. hi
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 8 October 2013 12: 51 New
            +8
            Quote: Far East
            only sho is over Whale Putin
            Dear, do not confuse KETA with KIT, and Putin with Putin wassat
            1. Far East
              Far East 8 October 2013 14: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: Misantrop
              Dear, do not confuse KETA with KIT, and Putin with Putin

              Dear, as they say in the Far East, so I express myself and Putin and Putin I am on the verge! this is a local dialect and who does not understand I can conduct a lekbez! hi
        2. Botanologist
          Botanologist 9 October 2013 00: 50 New
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          Quote: theadenter
          Radiation accumulates on caviar and fish. Then this fish with the N-th generation mutates. And then down the food chain.


          In short, soon in Japan, Pokemon will run through the streets. About the diversity of coastal waters, I will keep silent.
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 8 October 2013 17: 26 New
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      Quote: FC Skiff
      After the Fukushima story in my personal ratings, “smart nation” and technically developed country, “Japan collapsed.


      They were weaned from thinking since Hiroshima. What is there to be surprised at now.
    3. Vittt
      Vittt 8 October 2013 17: 54 New
      +5
      You have no idea how you are right. Enrolling in honey. in 1990 in Ternopol, made friends with a friend like me (after the army). He said that he was on guard at the Chernobyl station. I asked where he was - hesitated, and then said - "near," those that were "B", t. e. at the station "- they died over time. My friend was 21 then, had serious heart problems, his hair fell out periodically. Of course, the boys at that time only slightly understood what their commanders were giving the order for, but there was no desertion, because each of they knew (and many of them were Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians) that they protect their relatives from the radioactive infection! Each kid wanted to live, but then there was still such a time that the Motherland was holy, NERUSHIMA and GREAT!
      The Japs must say - you don’t really love your homeland, if you let it litter. And if you don’t know how, call the Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians, they will take from you the techno-kamikaze who need your homeland!
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 9 October 2013 00: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Vittt
        And if you don’t know how, call the Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians,


        No, let them understand their radioactive landfill themselves. We have enough of our own.
      2. Motors1991
        Motors1991 9 October 2013 20: 00 New
        +1
        If he was, he didn’t hesitate, your comrade lied. Maybe he was near the zone, now he recounts horror stories from the same “eyewitnesses,” there are more and more of them every year. I already told some that I was on some another accident. And the Japanese, since the mind itself does not need to turn to Russia, and specifically to the Ministry of Medium Engineering (it may be called differently now), it was this ministry that designed and built the sarcophagus. At that time I served in it.
    4. vjhbc
      vjhbc 8 October 2013 22: 42 New
      +2
      but how all around praised them and humbled themselves supposedly the Lapotniks in Chernobyl soldiers raked with shovels, but the Japs were robots once and it’s ready, as there wasn’t any accident, you can sunbathe on the roof of the reactor and swim in the cooling pools
      Quote: FC Skiff
      After the Fukushima story in my personal ratings, “smart nation” and technically developed country, “Japan collapsed.
  2. Quiet
    Quiet 8 October 2013 08: 04 New
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    They dig into the quiet, do not let anyone in ... Apparently their situation is completely awful, they are afraid that everyone will recognize. Japan is small and the accident with its cloud covered the whole country !!!!
    1. Kolya
      Kolya 8 October 2013 08: 37 New
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      “The Japanese, with their mentality that tells everyone to be silent and lie in the name of the same silence,” finally someone voiced the Japanese character, but from the “democrats” you hear only delight about the eastern neighbor.
      1. Quiet
        Quiet 8 October 2013 08: 46 New
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        but from the "democrats" you hear only enthusiasm about the eastern neighbor.

        And this "neighbor" is going to climb like our locusts on our unspoiled islands, around which he will also catch all living creatures ...
      2. Vittt
        Vittt 8 October 2013 21: 35 New
        +1
        The Japon will also kill himself, in order to be a Wonderful guy who has not tarnished anything, but just in case, if something is seriously corrected, it is better he will kill himself a few more times. So to say the Japanese flavor. There is no respect for them! Mongrel.
    2. theadenter
      theadenter 8 October 2013 12: 07 New
      +3
      The cloud is unlikely, but the fact that groundwater can be infected above the published one is more likely. Groundwater contamination is more dangerous than a cloud of radioactive dust.
  3. a52333
    a52333 8 October 2013 08: 06 New
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    the Japanese, with their mentality that tells everyone to be silent and lie in the name of the same silence, are unlikely to cope with the nuclear problem without international assistance.
    The vaunted Japanese quick wits - two days (during the accident) could not pull up the backup power. For the Russians, these problems — they didn’t know how to connect the cable (there were no couplings) and mounted an arch over the road (cars couldn’t pass) were simply ridiculous - they would have twisted them into twists and left the guard. They must solve the problem, since the population density on the islands is one of the largest in the world, and water has already begun to flood.
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    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 8 October 2013 11: 06 New
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      Quote: a52333
      water began to fade
      Water does not fonit, fonotopes dissolved in it fonit. But there are SO MUCH ... And at least one of the active zones continues to add activity every day. And, most likely, more. I can say for sure, it takes months, but not years, to remove the residual heat on ANY installation.
      1. kaktus
        kaktus 8 October 2013 16: 47 New
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        in this sea of ​​water since the 60s there is nothing there, including mercury compounds and other heavy metals am
  4. fklj
    fklj 8 October 2013 08: 08 New
    +4
    People! So far we have a liberal state, with the same officials, incl. customs Check your "Japanese" for radiation. Superfluous will not
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 8 October 2013 10: 33 New
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      Quote: fklj
      "Japanese" to radiation. Will not be superfluous

      What the hell? With this logic in a spacesuit you need to live. fool
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 8 October 2013 17: 43 New
        +4
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        What the hell? With this logic in a spacesuit you need to live.

        The Japanese slammed the ingress of radionuclides into baby food when air-dried.
        And the fact that Japanese women at customs check for radiation is not state secrets, and the fact that there are fine parking lots with fonning machines is also not a secret. Radiators and air conditioners mainly.
        Deactivation costs money, good money.
        So why nonsense?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 8 October 2013 19: 39 New
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          Quote: Cynic
          So why nonsense?

          If you check all the foods you eat, I think your appetite will be lost without any radiation. On inflating the radiation theme make good dibs.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 9 October 2013 17: 36 New
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            So why nonsense?

            Customs control _ fact.
            The presence of detected lantern cars _ fact.
            The absence of a guarantee of not falling into the expanses of Russia sinking machines _ too (alas)
            Why then delirium?
            What a hysteria to arrange for this ?! Yes, this is nonsense.
            hi
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 9 October 2013 18: 54 New
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            If you check all the foods you eat, I think your appetite will be lost without any radiation.

            In Ukraine, ANY woodworking enterprise is required to perform incoming control of incoming wood for radioactivity. Precisely because the newly-minted "businessmen" got into the habit of trading in the "orange forest" from the Chernobyl exclusion territory. Until they bought a standard device, he brought his own from the house. Three times I almost got stuck specifically with these firewood ... sad
  5. bomg.77
    bomg.77 8 October 2013 08: 10 New
    +2
    Wouldn’t it be easier to honestly voice the problems and ask the world community for help? Pride! Russia needs to bring this issue to the UN and put pressure on Japan to accept the help.
    1. fklj
      fklj 8 October 2013 08: 13 New
      +4
      so that she accepts help

      Kukish them !!!
      They can handle it if they want. Observers, independent specialists should be sent there. It is time for the international community to learn about the scale of the disaster.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 8 October 2013 08: 33 New
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        Quote: fklj
        It is time for the international community to learn about the scale of the disaster.

        The Japanese became hostages of their "friendship with the United States." Fukushima is a fully Amerian project. Having discovered the truth, they will show the imperfection of US technology. So they stomped around, waiting for all the help from there. And now it's time to shout the guard. Especially, considering that because of their silence not only the Japanese people suffer, but also the peoples of neighboring countries can suffer. Vodichka then spills into the common sea, and everyone catches the fish there.
        1. Quiet
          Quiet 8 October 2013 11: 03 New
          +2
          and everyone is catching fish there.

          The media reported on the deficit of herring !!!! Where do you think this "breeze" with the smell of radiation blew ??? Mostly on the shelves was IVASI herring !!!!! And the Japanese continue to sing "All is well beautiful marquise" !!! fool wassat
      2. bomg.77
        bomg.77 8 October 2013 09: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: fklj
        so that she accepts help

        Kukish them !!!
        They can handle it if they want. Observers, independent specialists should be sent there. It is time for the international community to learn about the scale of the disaster.
        So I'm talking about specialists. We have experience and we can help them.
        1. fklj
          fklj 8 October 2013 09: 37 New
          +6
          Tips. From far away. wink
    2. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 8 October 2013 09: 15 New
      +6
      They are waiting for Godzilla, I guess.
      1. Quiet
        Quiet 8 October 2013 11: 13 New
        +2
        They are waiting for Godzilla, I guess.

        Soon their women would go on to give birth ... wassat
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 8 October 2013 11: 08 New
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      Quote: bomg.77
      bring this issue to the UN and put pressure on Japan to
      So that she put things in order at the emergency station. And she stopped messing up the planet. And how they will do it is their concern, and their financial problems. And then they have money for new strike weapons, and suddenly there is not enough money for cleaning the territory
    4. Cynic
      Cynic 9 October 2013 17: 41 New
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      Quote: bomg.77
      Wouldn't it be easier to honestly voice problems and ask for help from the international community?

      To whom to ask?
      This is a loss of face!
      Here, until now, they decide who specifically will first turn to the world community for help, and then make a seppuku. Apparently so far there are no particularly willing.
      laughing
      1. Firstvanguard
        Firstvanguard 9 October 2013 19: 20 New
        +1
        In general, they are much more concerned about the struggle with analogies with the Chernobyl nuclear power plant than with the disaster, but there are already dozens of Chernobyls sad
        IMHO the worst has already happened. The fact that hundreds of thousands of tons of contaminated water went into the ground and into the ocean is clear even to a fairly erudite student. We are scratched about the fight with a cleaning system. But what with the active zones is complete silence. What about the six thousand tons of spent fuel in the storage pools of the power units and the SNF storage facility ?? Some questions .. For comparison, a little over two hundred tons of nuclear fuel were in the 4th Chernobyl NPP unit. Feel the difference as they say.
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        2. Arabist
          Arabist 9 October 2013 19: 26 New
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          And why do you consider only fuel? But what about graphite?
          1. Firstvanguard
            Firstvanguard 9 October 2013 19: 36 New
            +1
            Irradiated graphite is of course “phonite”, but these are seeds compared to the infernal cocktail of isotopes contained within the irradiated fuel cell.
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 9 October 2013 19: 36 New
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            Quote: Arabist
            But what about graphite?
            The graphite moderator burned out even then. Incidentally, it is not located in the fuel assembly and is not removed when assemblies are overloaded.
            1. Arabist
              Arabist 9 October 2013 19: 40 New
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              You know better, I do not pretend to be a specialist. Can you explain me in more detail?
        3. Misantrop
          Misantrop 9 October 2013 19: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Firstvanguard
          But what with the active zones is complete silence.
          Well, you won’t admit that the fuel was washed with cooling water (since the zirconium shell collapsed IMMEDIATELY) and it formed critical masses anywhere. And now it burns slowly, adding activity and 131 iodine in the samples. This crap in Americans is called the cool word "corium" (confuse the substance with the process) lol
          1. Firstvanguard
            Firstvanguard 9 October 2013 19: 46 New
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            In-in. Greetings. I would very much like to know where now (spatially) there are AZ reactors. Maybe corium is already in the ground under the power unit crying
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 9 October 2013 19: 53 New
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              Quote: Firstvanguard
              I would very much like to know where now (spatially) there are AZ reactors.
              Me too... wink Most likely - it is stretched by the flow of cooling water throughout the entire volume of technical rooms. There is no control. What can I say, if the liquidators learned about the activity of water in the lower technical rooms only when one of the hard workers scooped up his shoe covers (and crept into the rest rooms in all this) lol
    5. Firstvanguard
      Firstvanguard 9 October 2013 19: 09 New
      0
      Wouldn’t it be easier to honestly voice the problems and ask the world community for help? Pride! Russia needs to bring this issue to the UN and put pressure on Japan to accept the help.

      The UN searchlight for the cross, the cross designed the samovars for Fukushima, the stripping itself is essentially a protectorate of the cross. So, through the UN, no nicerta will come out ..
  6. svp67
    svp67 8 October 2013 08: 15 New
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    "Fukushima", that "litmus test", which showed perfectly that the myth of the backwardness of the USSR and Russia in the nuclear industries is just a myth. I can’t even imagine what would happen to Japan now if they had a catastrophe like Chernobyl ...
    1. fklj
      fklj 8 October 2013 08: 19 New
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      And who said that Fukushima is inferior to Chernobyl? Japanese?
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 8 October 2013 17: 11 New
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        Quote: fklj
        Japanese?

        Chernobyl isotopes found in Sweden on day 3 - a cloud several times circled the Earth. About Fukushima are still silent
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 9 October 2013 17: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: Pilat2009
          .Pro Fukushima are still silent

          Americans gritted something about the Fukushima track in their territory. Further silence.
        2. Firstvanguard
          Firstvanguard 9 October 2013 19: 23 New
          0
          Chernobyl isotopes found in Sweden on day 3 - a cloud several times circled the Earth. About Fukushima are still silent

          Because at Chernobyl almost everything flew into the atmosphere, and even in the middle of Europe. And in Fukushima, only in the first month, dozens of Chernobyl were poured into the ocean. Read my post above.
    2. Quiet
      Quiet 8 October 2013 08: 50 New
      +7
      the myth of the backwardness of the USSR and Russia in the nuclear industries is just a myth.

      Rejoice that they have no nuclear submarines !!!! IN where the "ambush" would be !!!! wassat
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 8 October 2013 17: 13 New
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        Quote: Quiet
        Rejoice that they have no nuclear submarines !!!!

        You better count the number of nuclear incidents at our stations
        1. Firstvanguard
          Firstvanguard 9 October 2013 19: 33 New
          +1
          Do you know much about the number of nuclear incidents in the assault? Honestly, I am surprised that capitally exploded only in the eleventh, and not earlier. Given their approach to nuclear power. I also have the idea that in Japan there are enough sensible people who, from the first minutes of the crisis, were considering the option of asking for help from Russia. But, perhaps Certainly the cause-and-effect relations of the disaster do not correspond to what the prime minister and Slipper trap from the mailbox. Appear there Russian will be aware of this. In addition, do not forget that zapania is essentially an occupied country, and the big brother does not love Russia no less than some Yapes. And perhaps it is directly related to the cause-effect ...
  7. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 8 October 2013 08: 28 New
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    This is where you can roam the Greenpeace activists, hehe, let them take the ATOM STATION by storm and put their own order there (at least some kind of work will appear for the Japanese samurai)
    1. svp67
      svp67 8 October 2013 08: 29 New
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      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      This is where you can roam the Greenpeace activists - hehe let them take the NUCLEAR STATION by storm
      I found idiots, no one will pay for it ...
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 8 October 2013 12: 53 New
        +3
        These green PISSOs would TAKE A THROAT for the whole WORLD, only from far away, if Russia had so "fought" with the consequences of the accident.
    2. Quiet
      Quiet 8 October 2013 08: 58 New
      +7
      This is where you can roam Greenpeace activists

      Which once again proves that the action against Razlomnaya was custom-made !!!! And they won’t go to Japan, she will quickly send them to feed her radioactive fish ....
    3. alean245
      alean245 8 October 2013 09: 26 New
      +5
      Do not climb. There is radiation. The army of lawyers will not save from her wink
    4. Quiet
      Quiet 8 October 2013 10: 49 New
      +2
      Japanese samurai will appear at least some kind of work.... ???

      Samurai will turn pale and shake with fear when they see where the hell bore the dumb greenpeople !!! belay wassat laughing
  8. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 8 October 2013 08: 28 New
    +8
    and they’re bleeding from the nose because they shed radioactive water, I would have given them nose for it too
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 10 October 2013 01: 13 New
      0
      Rather, the reason is the beta radiation of the dust that appeared after the flood, from the dried sludge. The dust was inhaled by the nose and trapped in it naturally. This type of radiation leads to tissue anemia and polymerization of the integument.
  9. pva1964
    pva1964 8 October 2013 08: 31 New
    +2
    Greenpeace to help them, especially those with wassat
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  11. rpek32
    rpek32 8 October 2013 08: 38 New
    +5
    And where are the actual GrynPysovtsy? They definitely need to go and highlight the scale of the disaster.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 8 October 2013 13: 22 New
      +1
      they won’t be paid for it, so they won’t go there. and what to expect from the "green at ...... dkov" ...
  12. Quiet
    Quiet 8 October 2013 09: 00 New
    +5
    and highlight in detail

    After such coverage, Greenpeace itself will begin to glow !!!! laughing
  13. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 8 October 2013 09: 11 New
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    Not all cats have a Shrovetide. This is not gloating, but a statement ...
    the most developed, the most working, smart, there’s nowhere to print ...

    In fact, most of their implementations are bought, spied, or stolen. The largest in the world in public debt at the end of last year, 10,9 trillions of dollars (240% of GDP, 84000 dollars per person) and grows by 140 billion every quarter.

    The nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture has been in disrepair since 2000. At the next inspection, American specialists who built the station refused to sign documents confirming the safety of the station. This information was reported by Western media such as the BBC and NHK.

    By the way, to learn better from your mistakes, is well digested. And then we got into a fuss, give them the islands, they burn our flags ... Fingers fan, snot bubbles ...
  14. Llirik
    Llirik 8 October 2013 09: 32 New
    -2
    Offer help (without a protocol, naturally), but with the condition: we help you with Fukushima, you forget about your claims to the Kuril Islands. Something like this wink
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 8 October 2013 10: 38 New
      +5
      Quote: Llyric
      their claims to the Kuril Islands. Something like that wink

      They will forget about the Kuril Islands. And if they don’t forget, well, what does Moska want for an elephant, to see it is strong ...
      1. 7Hz
        7Hz 8 October 2013 16: 45 New
        +1
        yes so if there will be a bleeding and similar radiant consequences we can and they just do not need islands
  15. Averias
    Averias 8 October 2013 09: 42 New
    +7
    Knowing about Japanese fatalism (killing the wounded, the famous detachment ......, kamikaze, bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the clerk sawing off his head with a hacksaw due to censure by the boss (Sakura and oak), and much more). It is not difficult to conclude that those in power in Japan do not really care about ordinary Japanese. Itself was in Japan, the impression is strange. Why do they come up with robots, they are robots themselves.
  16. Dejavu
    Dejavu 8 October 2013 09: 48 New
    +6
    Why are they just rushing for radiation ... First Hiroshima from Nagasaki, now Fukushima. Soon we will buy the Japanese as lamps working on rice. And still pity the narrow-eyed.
  17. shaitan
    shaitan 8 October 2013 09: 50 New
    +3
    Yes, for the Kuril Islands I’ll stuff my nose with them :)
  18. aszzz888
    aszzz888 8 October 2013 09: 54 New
    +2
    Put the sarcophagus, and that's the end. If they have no end there.
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 8 October 2013 10: 54 New
      +1
      Put the sarcophagus, and that's the end. If they have no end there

      In this case, the whole of Japan must wear a concrete sarcophagus !!!! negative
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 8 October 2013 12: 40 New
        +2
        Well, yes, and it would be nice. Nobody would go to the Kuril Islands ...
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 8 October 2013 11: 13 New
      +5
      Quote: aszzz888
      Put the sarcophagus, and that's the end.

      First, working active zones must be repaid. They still have not managed to do this, what kind of sarcophagi are there ...
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 8 October 2013 12: 42 New
        +2
        As for the active zones, I don’t know about them, but the IAEA works there - not an edge!
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 8 October 2013 12: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: aszzz888
          As for the active zones, I don’t know
          And what's in there more Do you need to know? WHAT can be “residual heat” several years after the shutdown of reactors? The storage can still warm up, so there are a crazy amount of these fuel assemblies, and the reactor cools down for a maximum of several months. Well, 131 iodine in samples WHERE? What is the half-life, don’t you remember?
          1. Firstvanguard
            Firstvanguard 9 October 2013 19: 49 New
            +2
            Not even a week ...
            I'm talking about 131 isotopes of iodine.
    3. Firstvanguard
      Firstvanguard 9 October 2013 19: 42 New
      0
      If everything was so simple .. Under the 4th Chernobyl nuclear power plant after the accident, a huge cavity was dug and filled with concrete. What about the floors under Fukushima? She stands on the shore, there is such a saying, water will find a hole everywhere, though they themselves poured water there for a long and hard, although there was no sense from this ..
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 9 October 2013 19: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Firstvanguard
        After the 4th Chernobyl nuclear power plant after the accident, a huge cavity was dug and filled with concrete
        The cavity under the 4th block was dug before the accident. It was there that all the make-up water of the 4th and 3rd blocks spilled when foolishly tried to do the spill. It was there that the metro builders made their way to divert this water until the red-hot structures of the emergency unit collapsed there. Well, then this container was poured with concrete, providing a "pillow".
        Nobody knows what is under the blocks of the Fukushima-1 NPP (the information is classified to the limit, therefore, ANYONE from the rescuers of other countries was not allowed into the emergency station). And, judging by the fact that the volumes of water flowing there are announced rather rather large, then the rooms there are simply huge ...
        1. Firstvanguard
          Firstvanguard 9 October 2013 20: 10 New
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          Maybe we're talking about different cavities ?? Are you talking about the cavity that Legasov, based on the worst-case scenario, was preparing to cool with liquid nitrogen? The same "corium", which was not there. Therefore, it was decided to fill the cavity with concrete.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 9 October 2013 20: 24 New
            +2
            That's just before the Chernobyl accident, and our science was also thinking about the "corium", because the Americans started talking about it after the accident at its station. Nobody met him alive in the USSR, they thought that in fact there was some kind of active substance. But in fact there is a wild mixture of isotopes, the critical mass of some of which is very small. All that is needed to start a chain reaction is the presence of a moderator. And the most effective moderator is ... ordinary water (which these **** constantly supply instead of boiling water). Here is the fuel and burns before leaving for subcriticism, burning (naturally) with temperature and a powerful neutron flux everything underneath ...

            And the cavity under the reactor is the only one - a container for lowering the body of the emergency power unit there (it was supposed according to the project, but everything got hooked, fortunately, in the explosion) .In fact, it turned out that all the water inevitably drains from the broken cooling pipelines, so when lowering instead of extinguishing the zone there is a terrible danger of a thermal explosion with a spread of everything in a row in the district ...
            1. Firstvanguard
              Firstvanguard 9 October 2013 20: 50 New
              0
              Thank you enlightened hi There are many familiar liquidators, but they are not nuclear scientists, and in that particular place none of them were there.
  19. morpogr
    morpogr 8 October 2013 10: 06 New
    +3
    How much time has passed, and they only now realized that they can’t cope with the health of people and the environment. And all because they are a high-tech and self-sufficient nation will not ask for help from those who are lower in this regard than they are. In the event of a nuclear accident and there are no borders, it is necessary to solve problems all over the world.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 8 October 2013 17: 27 New
      +3
      They really appreciate the myths about themselves posed by American advertisers. International assistance in the current environment is a sea of ​​information. Now they all classified secretly, the USSR is resting. And so it begins ...
      Right from the dungeons on the ocean, into which 440 thousands of tons of water freely enter, and it splashes peacefully there and does not spill anywhere. Well there sprinkled 110 liters and all. Everything! And about the causes of the accident. And about the number of brave samurai who work there, And about their quality ...
      Have to throw in the trash the whole painstakingly built image. Dumb, cowardly, illiterate despite decades of crazy "training" ... the connector did not fit the army mobile power station! Dubier ... And the scale of destruction will come out of the shadows. What Chernobyl is there, and you won’t see it in a magnifying glass! And you have to pay how much! We then fought for the motherland, we had to attract half a million people. And they will have to hire for money ... somewhere around three or four million people for a period of one year. Pitchfork ...
  20. akv0571
    akv0571 8 October 2013 10: 37 New
    +1
    In two days, they could not connect the pumps for cooling.
    But the question is - are they so stupid or is the accident planned?
    The stupidity of the Japanese has little to believe in.
  21. Volkhov
    Volkhov 8 October 2013 11: 35 New
    -8
    Fukushima was shown on TV and shown the layout of the reactor - there were thermal explosions, the caps on 2 reactors flew away, only 1 out of 4 was more or less preserved. It is not repaired and they are doing everything right - they protect people, there are emissions many times greater than Chernobyl.
    This is in the media about the "explosion of hydrogen", but for normal, all the pictures were.
    But they stopped all the reactors - during the Ripple, our explosions will explode, but there are no German ones either - we should take an example from this.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 8 October 2013 12: 31 New
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      Quote: Volkhov
      showed the reactor diagram - there were thermal explosions,
      Those explosions are not thermal at all. Explosive gas exploded there from air oxygen and free hydrogen. And hydrogen was formed from the reaction of the zirconium cladding of a fuel assembly overheated in an accident with seawater, which these defective ignoramuses “guessed” to try to cool assemblies. Worst at that moment, they could not do ANYTHING. Say thanks to the IAEA, where this nonsense is still clogged with the main recommendation request

      with Ripples, our will explode, but there are no German ones
      Tell the nuclear power engineer, and what is this PULSATION? belay
      1. Averias
        Averias 8 October 2013 14: 18 New
        +2
        I support, let him tell the "ignoramuses" what is PULSATION? And then something I broke all brains into parts and braided. And let him explain what the German !! ?? the reactors are better than ours, and let them talk about THEIR reactors, whose are these, Japanese chtoli? Well ridiculed the commentator, by golly.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 8 October 2013 17: 44 New
          +1
          German is much better, know it all! It turns out that for Iran, we did not just build nuclear power plants, we completed the construction abandoned by the Germans. Our nuclear scientists chuckled, they said two, or even two and a half blocks could be built from scratch for the same money. But the client stood his ground! Well, if it’s repaired ... ours, of course, changed everything, taking into account recent events. I think now jamming will be one button and immediately tight wink And then with such exploiters ...
        2. Volkhov
          Volkhov 8 October 2013 22: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Averias
          And let him explain what the German !! ?? reactors are better than ours,

          The German ones are better because they are disconnected - if they manage to unload and remove them further away - they will become even better.
          A pulsation is a fission reaction in the inner shell of the Earth, an analogue is a solar activity cycle, only on Earth is the period longer. Accompanied by the Flood, a change of orbit
          (in the picture, dust traces of the orbits of past eras, taken by Voyager from afar
          http://topwar.ru/33924-fotografiya-zemli-s-rasstoyaniya-6-mlrd-kilometrov.html#c
          omment-id-1554947), for nuclear facilities, the most dangerous leap forward in time is about 200 years - the rapid release of decay heat during this period will destroy reactors and compact storage facilities. So disconnect and parse the most correct.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 8 October 2013 23: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: Volkhov
            A pulsation is a fission reaction in the inner shell of the Earth, an analogue is a solar activity cycle, only on Earth is the period longer. Accompanied by the Flood, a change of orbit
            (in the picture, dust traces of the orbits of past eras, taken by Voyager from afar

            And if you read the article to which the link is given, then something else is written there, namely:
            From a technical point of view, a photograph from the outskirts of the Solar System looked like a defective film - a gray nondescript background with alternating light streaks caused by diffusion of sunlight in the camera optics
            And, characteristically, there are NO references to "dust traces of the orbits of past eras." Not only that, the orbital solar grouping is a MUTUALLY dependent independent system, and the distance from the luminary does not depend on the processes occurring INSIDE the PLANET, whatever they are. Again, the reaction of spontaneous fission of heavy nuclei does not depend on cosmic cycles and planet orbits lol
            But even if this were exactly the way you describe, the width and density of the “dust trace of the planet” significantly exceeds the mass of the planet itself. Judging by the photo - the cataclysm is non-funky belay lol Hoping to survive? Then I recommend taking everything out of your pockets and climbing the three hundred and fifty-third odd branch of the baobab, if you count from the center of the galaxy, then the chances increase wassat
            Well, a link to
            Quote: Volkhov
            http://sinteh.info
            very cool, there, as you go, so immediately:
            Syria is now the center of the world - the advanced units of both systems revolve around, like the Yin and Yang among the Chinese or the sleeves of the galaxy around the quasar in the center and it becomes interesting how this vortex ...
            The tower flies away immediately and forever wassat
            1. Volkhov
              Volkhov 9 October 2013 04: 26 New
              -2
              Quote: Misantrop
              The tower flies away immediately and forever

              You are a military man - such difficulties must be overcome.
              As for the scattering of light in the camera optics - when this happens, it is snapped to the center of the optical system, and not with stripes along the edge, and there are no such distortions in high-end optics. This is the same excuse as the hydrogen explosion at Fukushima - elementary knowledge of physics allows us to sift it.
              The width of the dust trail always exceeds not the mass but the diameter of the "planet", the visible trace and mass are loosely connected - comets have huge tails, but the mass is small.
              As for the internal processes, you are wrong, the very name of the Earth (Shema la) - like a ship reflects its properties, but you can’t help here, since the tower flew from the first article - catch it.
      2. Volkhov
        Volkhov 8 October 2013 23: 00 New
        -1
        Explosive gas is a fog for ordinary people ... firstly, the assemblies are resistant to water, and secondly, hydrogen in a hot medium, no matter how it is taken, even reacts directly with air from neutrons - you know the percentage as a submarine, and accumulate in a tonne equivalent for explosions of such power cannot.
        About Ripple briefly - a post below, for more details - http://sinteh.info there articles there are "Electroprognosis" and about the stars. You may not read it - you’ll see in more detail where you will get from the Earth.
        1. Arabist
          Arabist 8 October 2013 23: 07 New
          +1
          Volkhov, yes, I see you imagine yourself as the second Dollezhal. Thanks for the good mood.
          1. Volkhov
            Volkhov 9 October 2013 06: 44 New
            -1
            You, like the authorities, pursue a policy of eliminating the "mob" and double information in the media for the educated and the people clearly shows this.
            However - the people are the branch on which the elite sits, it is wooden and naive like Pinocchio, but this is the base on which everything rests. People think that politicians and scientists think and act in their interests, and their job is to go to work. The elite exploits this credulity and substitutes their own people - this is no coincidence, that is how the top Indians were decomposed in favor of Europeans, and now the whole world is in favor of Venusians - systemic stupidity was invented by the superintelligence.
            The Native American elites have now become extinct or oppressed without their peoples - the modern elites also expect the same ... it is necessary to return to the traditions of strengthening the peoples, and not to destroy them.
            1. Arabist
              Arabist 9 October 2013 15: 24 New
              +3
              Tell your Venusians that I will bring them retribution in the name of the moon from Saturn.
              1. Volkhov
                Volkhov 9 October 2013 21: 16 New
                0
                They took control of your people and what they tell you where to carry it - this is your enterprise, I don’t communicate with your owners.
                1. Arabist
                  Arabist 9 October 2013 21: 18 New
                  +4
                  Tie with substances, you are getting worse. Stop before it's too late.
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 9 October 2013 00: 11 New
          0
          Quote: Volkhov
          assemblies are water resistant
          To water - yes, but not to a solution of salts of ocean concentration, there the reaction at high temperatures is simply a hurricane.
          Quote: Volkhov
          secondly, in a hot medium, hydrogen, no matter how it is taken, even from neutrons immediately reacts with air
          Hydrogen with air DOES NOT REACT, just mixes. This I just know, just like a submariner, life made me study it in detail wink Stirred and waiting for initiation. At 12% hydrogen in air, a ray of direct sunlight is enough to undermine the gas mixture. Which, in fact, was happening. And to distinguish a volumetric explosion of a gas-air mixture from a thermal explosion of an overheated barrel of a reactor ... You don’t even have to be a pro demolitionist for this, the picture is ABSOLUTELY different. Moreover, the explosions of the blocks showed live ... lol
          1. Volkhov
            Volkhov 9 October 2013 04: 41 New
            0
            In order for a 200-ton cap of hydrogen to fly off the studs, you need to accumulate a ton approximately - this is about 25000 cubic meters at normal pressure, and even 8 tons of oxygen for it - it’s unrealistic in a hot reactor, and the flame would burst out like a rocket - that’s the point, that live broadcast.
            The lid was thrown off by steam during a thermal explosion, just like on a submarine in Primorye - you must have studied that case.
            The system of deceiving the population is anti-human - is it worth it to participate in retirement?
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 9 October 2013 16: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: Volkhov
              you must have studied that case
              You can only answer with a quote from the famous movie: "Vasily Ivanovich, when you say it, it seems that you are raving ..." request
              I actually STUDIED that case. Therefore, I know that there the fastenings of the cover were REMOVED, it was on a cable in a suspended state. Japanese power reactors also had their cap fasteners unscrewed. Have you ever been able to imagine the order of numbers, WHAT pressure is needed to break the studs? Enough to carry nonsense already
              1. Volkhov
                Volkhov 10 October 2013 10: 42 New
                0
                In Soviet - about 600 ati.
                1. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 10 October 2013 10: 49 New
                  0
                  Quote: Volkhov
                  In Soviet - about 600 ati.
                  Which one? If the RBMK, then there is generally no solid reactor vessel, as such. If on the ship, then on the "K-140" during an accident in the circuit was 650 kgf / cm. sq., NO circuit breaks ... request
                  1. Volkhov
                    Volkhov 10 October 2013 18: 12 New
                    0
                    Quote: Misantrop
                    If at RBMK, there isn’t any solid reactor casing at all.

                    Cover 200 tons, 54 studs M 190 with 600 tons of load per load, safety factor 3 ... something like this, although there may be changes, but the order of forces is clear.
                    In Chernobyl, the lid was cut to the side and drove into the wall ... security problems, not the reactor.
                    In Fukushima and in the Pacific Fleet, the caps flew up - there are problems with the reactor.
                    1. Misantrop
                      Misantrop 10 October 2013 19: 35 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Volkhov
                      Cover 200 tons, 54 studs M 190, 600 tons of load each
                      IMHO - art whistle. On the Soviet transport of the second generation (much smaller in size), the cover is mounted on 36 studs with M 190 thread (the upper 10 cm M 180 thread for a wrench). But in Chernobyl there was generally no single tight-fitting cover as such, there is no monolith, but a prefabricated design that allows you to change fuel assemblies individually, without dismantling the entire upper protection. In many photographs, the process of replacing fuel assemblies can be viewed in Google. And you don’t need to tell fables about the 4th Chernobyl NPP unit (the causes and the course of the accident are known every minute), or remember the accident at K-431 in Chazhma Bay in vain. There then Serega Vinnik died from our company, the land rest in peace for him.
                      These are three ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT accidents. And they are united ONLY by the fact that they are all nuclear powered
                      1. Volkhov
                        Volkhov 10 October 2013 21: 33 New
                        0
                        What the dispute is about: there’s no longer putting studs there, almost all the nuts, the fact that there are channels for servicing is another topic. You asked about the stall pressure at the power reactor - I gave you approximate figures.
                        The bottom line is that at the Chernobyl NPP the cover flew sideways, and with pressure from the inside - only up and far. And about 100 tons on the side in the pulse with a bright flash, a peak in the seismogram, dust crushing and traces of California ... an occasion to strengthen the guard, which was done.
                      2. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 10 October 2013 21: 51 New
                        0
                        Quote: Volkhov
                        no longer put the studs there, almost all the nuts
                        If the studs are tight, then there are 600 atmospheres to break the cover is clearly not enough. When the nuclear reactor self-starts in Sormovo, the reactor from the transcendental pressure became generally spherical (from a cylindrical with a round bottom), but the studs withstood
                      3. Volkhov
                        Volkhov 11 October 2013 08: 46 New
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                        If you are talking about Chernobyl, then there was a cut with lateral force, in this case the flange works like scissors and the force is half as much. There was practically no internal pressure, because the lid went strictly sideways. This is the work of a 0.2 ct gift - enough strength comes out.
                        In Fukushima, it was relieved by internal pressure how many studs I don’t know, but in part there was enough effort to fly off the cap, and in part to break through the gases when the studs were stretched. Japan is sorry, but conclusions should be drawn.
        3. Misantrop
          Misantrop 9 October 2013 19: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: Volkhov
          The lid was thrown off by steam during a thermal explosion

          Here is a video of one of those explosions:

          A flash of explosion and a cloud of smoke are visible. WHERE A WILD NUMBER OF COUPLE, dangling hairpins, where is the flying cover? Typical volumetric explosion of a gas mixture ... request
      3. Cpa
        Cpa 10 October 2013 02: 29 New
        0
        Quote: Misantrop
        To water - yes, but not to a solution of salts of ocean concentration, there the reaction at high temperatures is simply a hurricane.

        Sorry, but Zirconium is chemically more stable than titanium. The reaction of hydrogen evolution is possible only by combining zirconium hydrides in vacuum at T 1300 C. This implies the presence of free hydrogen in the reactor medium, which will absorb Н2 at Т300С with zirconium shells, forming a hydride.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 10 October 2013 09: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: KPA
          Zirconium is chemically more stable than titanium
          All this stability ends where the flux of high-energy neutrons begins. Have you ever wondered why the designers are clogging SUCH strict requirements for the water treatment of the coolant 1 circuit? So that there is no induced activity? By no means, filters can handle this quite well. But a few tablespoons of common table salt for the volume of the circuit is enough to make the zirconia shells of the fuel assembly and the titanium pipe system of the steam generator very quickly become like a sieve ... request
          1. Cpa
            Cpa 10 October 2013 20: 53 New
            0
            Quote: Misantrop
            All this stability ends where the flux of high-energy neutrons begins.

            You, as a specialist, are perhaps more visible, but zirconium is chosen because of its high neutron permeability. Maybe the tubes are destroyed by the electrolytic method request
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 10 October 2013 21: 48 New
              0
              Quote: KPA
              zirconium and selected due to high neutron permeability

              Any metal with such a wall thickness will be neutron-permeable, it is very difficult to create a protective wall from neutrons in general. And zirconium is selected because of its high tensile elasticity and good heat transfer coefficient.
    2. Firstvanguard
      Firstvanguard 9 October 2013 20: 18 New
      0
      firstly, the assemblies are resistant to water, and secondly, in a hot medium, hydrogen, no matter how it is taken, even reacts directly with air from neutrons - you know the percentage as a submariner and cannot accumulate such a power for tons of explosions.

      Sorry, but this is nonsense. At 1 power unit of the FAES there was a hydrogen explosion. This is clearly seen in the video of the explosion itself and in photographs of the damage of 1 EB very characteristic of a hydrogen explosion. What can not be said about the rest of the blocks, there is an explosion of hydrogen, definitely (s) / Zhirinovsky V.V. / Putty for the eyes of unknowing people.
  22. Firstvanguard
    Firstvanguard 9 October 2013 20: 00 New
    0
    Those explosions are not thermal at all.

    Misantrop I completely agree, but the explosion on 1 EB is hydrogen (this is clearly visible on the view of the explosion itself), and the physics of the explosion on 3 EBs is absolutely not clear to me. fool I can only say for sure that from a hydrogen explosion, huge pieces of reinforced concrete do not fly up to 200-300 meters. What can be seen in the 3 EB explosion video. And the last thing that generally could explode on 4 EBs that stood muffled and with unloaded AZ ??? For a hydrogen explosion, God forbid, at least eight meters of water in the holding pool had to boil there before the fuel elements would begin to be exposed and the process of hydrogen evolution would begin. Moreover, the exposure pool is not AZ and the heat there is already not large.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 9 October 2013 20: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Firstvanguard
      And the last thing that generally could explode on 4 EBs that stood muffled and with unloaded AZ ??? For a hydrogen explosion, God forbid, at least eight meters of water in the holding pool had to boil there before the fuel elements would begin to be exposed and the process of hydrogen evolution would begin. Moreover, the exposure pool is not AZ and the heat there is already not large.

      Yes, the same thing as in the first three - with the entry of SALT OCEAN water into the exposure pool at high temperature, a reaction with the zirconium of the FA shells began. For this, the rods do not have to be exposed at all. request

      And with a volumetric explosion of a gas-air mixture, the shock wave is simply prohibitive. By the way, the ammunition of a volumetric explosion, breaking through the standard anti-nuclear shelter to the bottom, is based on this effect. There, concrete blocks fly like an old newspaper ...
      1. Firstvanguard
        Firstvanguard 9 October 2013 20: 38 New
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        Yes, the same thing as in the first three - with the entry of SALT OCEAN water into the exposure pool at high temperature, a reaction with the zirconium of the FA shells began. For this, request rods do not have to be exposed at all.

        Perhaps here my knowledge is already not enough, I'm not a nuclear scientist repeat
        And with a volumetric explosion of a gas-air mixture, the shock wave is simply prohibitive. By the way, the ammunition of a volumetric explosion, breaking through the standard anti-nuclear shelter to the bottom, is based on this effect. There concrete blocks fly like an old newspaper

        And here I know something bully The shock wave of a hydrogen explosion is very clearly visible in 1 (chronologically) explosion. Very characteristic of a hydrogen explosion, besides the complete absence of a visible flame, which is also characteristic of a hydrogen explosion. Moreover, we look at the first EB after the explosion, all the panels were carried out by the shock wave, but the power frame remained almost intact. What is also very characteristic, all the same explosive mixture is not thermobaric ammunition. And he will scatter blocks only in an explosion in a confined space composed entirely of these blocks, and they will fly from the center in different directions. If one wall or ceiling is much weaker, say from the boards, then the blocks are generally unlikely to fly somewhere. We look at photos 1 and 4 of the power units:




        Everything is quite suitable for a hydrogen explosion.
        What I can not say about this:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KMBYIDpk5uM
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 9 October 2013 21: 32 New
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          Buy a zirconia bracelet and put in salty soup or sea water, boil and wait for hydrogen ...
          Zirconium can theoretically liberate hydrogen upon contact with steam, but slowly if it is in powder and the specific surface is too small for the tubes.
          The hydrogen explosion version is scientific, but from the same series that a UFO is a weather balloon, a snowman is an artist, 2 British pensioners are making crop circles all over the world ...
          For government nonsense, it’s time to enter an icon as an author’s, for example:
          (@!) - in order to see that nonsense and not torment the brain - they write on cigarettes that they are harmful.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 10 October 2013 09: 46 New
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            Quote: Volkhov
            Buy a zirconia bracelet and put in salty soup or sea water, boil and wait for hydrogen ...
            Place a neutron source nearby. Just do not forget to call the Ministry of Emergency Situations first, they will have enough work ... lol
            Take an interest in the leisure history of the development of steam generators at nuclear power plants. It would seem that a standard heat exchanger designed for the needs of naval installations is not the first hundred years. With a multiple margin of strength and resource, they were made, and they were not enough for a year, the pipe system crumbled into rubbish. Dilettantism is a shitty thing ...
            Quote: Volkhov
            For government nonsense, it's time the icon introduces

            And for the amateurish what kind of badge is this one good for? fool Or is this one better? wassat
            They saw the stripes on the photograph of the Earth from deep space and blinded the whole theory on it ... Is it okay that these stripes are across the ecliptic plane? Or does the plane of rotation of the planets also change when pulsating? And the center of rotation is also very far from the center of the Sun ... laughing
            1. Volkhov
              Volkhov 10 October 2013 10: 15 New
              0
              Better explain - what is the motive of living in Ukraine and retiring so to defend officialdom? The official version has a lot of inconsistencies, it is unrealistic and a normal engineer cannot believe in it ... is it a hobby or "there never existes"?
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 10 October 2013 10: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: Volkhov
                The official version has a lot of inconsistencies
                A lot of. But this is not a reason to carry deliberate nonsense. And even more so - to believe in him
            2. Volkhov
              Volkhov 10 October 2013 10: 45 New
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              Quote: Misantrop
              stripes across the ecliptic plane are located

              Voyager outside the ecliptic - he performed a gravitational maneuver.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 10 October 2013 11: 01 New
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                Quote: Volkhov
                he performed a gravitational maneuver.
                But more about this in detail lol Gravitational maneuvers using planets are possible only in the plane of the ecliptic. Or did he use some other celestial body for this? Not the Death Star, by any chance? what
                1. Volkhov
                  Volkhov 10 October 2013 18: 21 New
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                  Not only in the ecliptic plane if you approach the planet below or above the orbit plane - for example, satellites fly in both equatorial and polar orbits, the forces are the same.
                  The angle above the ecliptic is not so great, if you rotate the photo then the height of the probe is about 15 degrees.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 10 October 2013 09: 58 New
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      Quote: Firstvanguard
      The physics of the 3 EB explosion process is completely unclear to me.

      Yes, there could be anything at all. And jerk along with hydrogen. If they thought of placing the STANDARD temporary storage of spent assemblies in the upper part of the block, directly above the heads of the staff ... belay Fuel for backup diesel engines, for example. Or some crap ...
      1. Firstvanguard
        Firstvanguard 10 October 2013 17: 02 New
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        Yes, there could be anything at all. And jerk along with hydrogen. If they thought of placing the STANDARD temporary storage of spent assemblies in the upper part of the block, directly above the heads of the staff ... belay Fuel for backup diesel engines, for example. Or some crap ...

        It hurts a lot of some crap on this miracle of American engineering under the control of the most technologically advanced nation ... sad
        20 years will pass, and we can find out.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 10 October 2013 19: 21 New
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          Quote: Firstvanguard
          20 years will pass, and we can find out.
          If not scrap, there is such a pretty good forum, "Bogdanklub", and on it - this topic has been hanging since the time when the Japanese had just begun. The funniest thing is that Yurka Lawyer and I, from the very BEGINNING (i.e. March 12-14, 2011), formulated how and where this accident might develop. what must to do, and what, most likely, the Japanese will do. So far, this forecast is considered the most accurate among the earliest. A nick skroznikparticipating in the debate there - professor, doctor of physical and mathematical sciences. Very Kolya skroznik at first he believed in Japanese science (knowing it firsthand). But he did not suspect that Japanese science was in no way intersected with the Japanese nuclear industry ...
          request
          The theme there, of course, is hefty, and some of the pictures are already "rotten", but the questions are deeply addressed, it makes sense to rummage
  • Cynic
    Cynic 8 October 2013 18: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: Volkhov
    they do everything right - take care of people

    And our guys mean they put their lives in vain in Chernobyl!
    You know, maybe you’re right from the point of view of implementing the policy of the golden billion _ Well, Europe would die out ... And what?
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 8 October 2013 22: 49 New
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      Quote: Cynic
      And our guys mean they put their lives in vain in Chernobyl!

      Mostly in vain - there was enough evacuation and minimal dust binding work near the station. 2 million stalkers simply harmed themselves.
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 9 October 2013 01: 01 New
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        Quote: Volkhov
        Mostly in vain - there was enough evacuation and minimal dust binding work near the station.


        Minus for complete ignorance of the subject you are talking about. "Dust binding" belay . Are you talking about the hot particles that were thrown upwards by the explosion at 5? Share the technology.
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 9 October 2013 04: 48 New
          -2
          What flew away for 5 km is the common heritage, and the dust near the station - with any binder, for example bitumen diluted in gasoline - after the film dries.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 9 October 2013 17: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: Volkhov
            What flew away for 5 km is the common heritage, and the dust near the station - with any binder, for example bitumen diluted in gasoline - after the film dries.

            And that’s all.
            Hmm, discharges from helicopters, with peeks in there, in vain and the sarcophagus in vain and ...
            In general, all in vain.
            Although _ What level of initiation do you have?
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 9 October 2013 19: 17 New
            +4
            Quote: Volkhov
            dust near the station - with any binder, for example bitumen diluted in gasoline - after the film dries.
            DEBIL, alas. request Pieces of the core with a temperature of several hundred degrees, scattered over tens of kilometers in the district, WATERING DILUTED IN PETROL bitumen? belay There wasn’t a nuclear accident, was it necessary to add a volumetric fire there? belay
  • 123_123
    123_123 8 October 2013 22: 01 New
    +9
    Mentioned reactors manufactured by General Electric, American. Budget option, maximum electricity for minimum money.
    In the context of the events in Fukushima, it will be useful to recall the reaction of the Japanese to the events in Chernobyl: the proposal to deprive the "savages" of nuclear power plants, no support and sympathy; two weeks after the onset of the problems, a Japanese animated film was released at the Fukushima nuclear power plant, where the Chernobyl nuclear power plant was compared to a dirty child, polluting everything around it, and its Japanese nuclear power plant was compared to a child in diapers, such as pollution, do not get anywhere. When the situation got out of control, this film was sharply forgotten.
    I don’t want to help them after that, there are still many episodes unpleasant for our country. The Japanese are enemies, and although it is a pity for their women and children, I do not feel pity at all. Only the Pacific Ocean is poisoned.
  • mithridate
    mithridate 8 October 2013 12: 13 New
    +2
    or maybe a man-made disaster is planned? ..
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 9 October 2013 18: 03 New
      +1
      Well, the conspiracy theological version of the Chernobyl tragedy has a place to be, and not one.
      Nuclear physicist named Nikolai Kravchuk
      the explosion of the reactor was planned in advance and carried out under the leadership of the Gorbachev Central Committee of the CPSU, and the blame was carefully dumped on the station personnel, who turned out to be a scapegoat. Then the nuclear engineers were forced to make excuses under the conditions of mutual responsibility and pressure of the "perestroika".
      http://trinixy.ru/87169-skandalnoe-rassledovanie-tragedii-na-chernobylskoy-aes-4

      -foto.html

      As well as their refutation.
      yes
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 9 October 2013 19: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: Cynic
        the explosion of the reactor was planned in advance and carried out under the leadership of the Gorbachev Central Committee of the CPSU, and the blame was carefully dumped on the station personnel, who turned out to be a scapegoat.
        The Central Committee of the CPSU was clearly not to blame. But the Central Committee of the Communist Party - more than. At least in the fact that in the new block located near the capital of the nuclear power plant, leadership positions were VERY thieves. As a result, ALL the leadership of the bloc was by no means random people. And not a single nuclear scientist was found on the entire leadership of the block. Such a peculiar selection of personnel led to the conduct of the experiment precisely on the 4th block (the first three experimenters were sent to hell, not particularly choosing expressions). But on the 4th they failed, it was necessary to fulfill the assignment ... request
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 9 October 2013 22: 42 New
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          They are still practicing propaganda.
          There were 2 peaks in the gather, 2 flashes, the cover shifted to the side, traces of California, metal evaporation under the reactor - that is, undermining two wearable nuclear weapons. Only the protection of nuclear power plants has changed (SN platoons have been introduced) and not the design of the reactors.
  • parij777
    parij777 8 October 2013 13: 06 New
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    http://rencontres.ru
    Photos of beautiful girls 18 Moscow
  • major071
    major071 8 October 2013 13: 15 New
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    Joke on the topic: Once a man threw a net into the sea in Vladivostok and pulled out just one fish. The fish says in a human voice - let me go, whatever you want to do for you. And the man realized that something was going wrong on Fukushima.
  • na76
    na76 8 October 2013 14: 06 New
    +2
    Quote: theadenter
    In March-April, fish spawn in coastal waters. Radiation accumulates on caviar and fish. Then this fish with the N-th generation mutates. And then down the food chain.
    They’re afraid of nothing at all ... not a bit.


    In general, mutations are a process that occurs in nature constantly and is a factor causing the formation of new species. They are afraid of mutant fish only because they are mutants, stupid, IMHO. But they are afraid of radiation, if you are not a crocodile, it’s worth it.
    1. abdrah
      abdrah 9 October 2013 14: 13 New
      +1
      The most common mutation in humans on earth is when hands grow out of the wrong place.
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 8 October 2013 14: 10 New
    +3
    Maybe offer the Greenbacks in exchange for release a half-year protest in the Fukushima area? (Do not give the dishes!)
  • Slotxnumx
    Slotxnumx 8 October 2013 14: 37 New
    +1
    Well, Yankees are friends of the Japanese nation, give a new state as part of the USA-Japan ??? At such a pace about the resettlement, it's time to think ...
  • Djozz
    Djozz 8 October 2013 16: 44 New
    +9
    Fukushima (Japan), this is the real axis of evil, not the DPRK with its atomic program! Even the World combed with these idiots, when the whole “civilized” world exploded, it came to Mr. Dousing with mud, and here there is only a slight rustle in the press and sympathy. K., A.Z. L.!
  • nod739
    nod739 8 October 2013 17: 18 New
    +8
    I remember in Chernobyl they decided the question in a little more than six months, so there was a complete destruction of the reactor,
    and then there are only cracks, and the zemlyotska has been watered with poisonous water for 2 years, and then they fish themselves from the ocean, and little by little they poison the neighbors
    in the USSR there was a will - said the party - the people did, yes, - 5 thousand people have already died ahead of schedule, but the rest live and live because everything is walled up
    and these, until everyone around has a break, they don’t understand
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 8 October 2013 17: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: nod739
      and these, until everyone around has a break, they don’t understand

      Yeah.
      Honestly, I think we need to wait for a new round of hysteria in the Northern Territories.
      Political publicity is one thing in this matter, the instinct of self-preservation of the nation that worked out is another.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 8 October 2013 20: 13 New
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    He was at the liquidation of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in 1986 and in 7 in Tomsk-1993. It is visible only OUR can cope with such disasters and accidents. ALL DIED ETERNAL MEMORY, LIVING GLORY. Thank you that ordinary PEOPLE, unlike those in power, remember us.
  • poquello
    poquello 8 October 2013 21: 48 New
    +1
    Arboretum damn it, because the truth is gone.
  • nod739
    nod739 9 October 2013 00: 23 New
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    Quote: Mithridates
    or maybe a man-made disaster is planned? ..

    an interesting thought, hmm ... most of all reactors in the usa, raw materials are not enough for everyone, but under the boil and not without the participation of green Germans covered theirs, and the Japanese too .. hmmmm, suggestive .. who benefits from this?
  • nod739
    nod739 9 October 2013 09: 41 New
    +1
    something tells me, the Japanese have a terrible confidence in immunity after 45
  • In the reeds
    In the reeds 9 October 2013 17: 51 New
    +1
    Well, you love rhinos and crocodiles more than people. The main thing is that Africa becomes Russian. And it does not matter that you send her central to master ... Chukchi. And that he will die in three days from dehydration. The sheepskin coat is expensive however. And for me, every person should be in his place, if the animals are allowed. When they landed from helicopters to an object, knowing that they were going to save Japan, trying to stop the disaster. I bow to these descendants of the Samurai in the best sense of the word.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 9 October 2013 18: 08 New
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      Quote: In the reeds
      When they landed from helicopters to an object, knowing that they were going to save Japan, trying to stop the disaster.

      Already standard _ links, proofs.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 9 October 2013 19: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: In the reeds
      When they landed from helicopters to an object, knowing that they were going to save Japan, trying to stop the disaster.
      From which helicopters and to which block, for what specific purpose and when? And another question: "Who is it, those same secret" THEY "?" And how did these “they” help?

      Despite the fact that rescuers from the Russian Federation were sitting on suitcases and mountains of equipment, about to come to the rescue. And ... they didn’t wait for a visa. THESE could really help, but ... they were not given request
    3. Firstvanguard
      Firstvanguard 9 October 2013 21: 02 New
      +2
      Yeah, when I saw how the power unit sprinkled with a chisinau over the passage with a passage from a height of several hundred meters, I wanted to cry. On this day, a familiar liquidator asked what I was thinking about this. I said that I can’t imagine the scale of the accident itself, but with such a "liquidation", sadly, the Chernobyl samurai will definitely surpass.
  • In the reeds
    In the reeds 9 October 2013 18: 13 New
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    Quote: Cynic
    Quote: In the reeds
    When they landed from helicopters to an object, knowing that they were going to save Japan, trying to stop the disaster.

    Already standard _ links, proofs.

    Got cynicism
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 9 October 2013 18: 57 New
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      Quote: In the reeds
      Got cynicism

      Wai me!
      Respected In the reeds for clarification of such cynicism, contact your compatriot _ We will not point a finger.
      laughing
      1. In the reeds
        In the reeds 9 October 2013 19: 15 New
        -1
        And why should I turn to them, I myself am one of them. And you dear, do not translate the arrows, otherwise you will not leave me a choice. Is that the tail and the cactus.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 9 October 2013 20: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: In the reeds
          And why should I turn to them, I myself am one of them.

          More than doubtful.
          Quote: In the reeds
          And you dear, do not translate the arrows

          Hmm, are you even aware of the semantics of this idiomatic expression?
          Quote: In the reeds
          otherwise, do not leave me a choice. Is that the tail and the cactus.

          There are more reliable methods of autoaggression.
          wink
          1. In the reeds
            In the reeds 9 October 2013 22: 00 New
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            There is no aggression, as my neighbors used to say; “A pig must get a snout”
            1. In the reeds
              In the reeds 9 October 2013 22: 33 New
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              Sorry for the normal Russian, albeit without a mat.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 10 October 2013 19: 43 New
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                Quote: In the reeds
                Sorry for the normal Russian, albeit without a mat.

                And where is normal Russian?
                If you read your posts, then this artifice, this seems to be Russian, fumbles.
                So that
                this is not a joke - this is a diagnosis

                In Russian speaking / more correctly
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            3. Cynic
              Cynic 10 October 2013 19: 35 New
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              Quote: In the reeds
              There is no aggression

              You are also illiterate to the same.
              Quote: In the reeds
              as my neighbors said; "The pig must get snout"

              They firmly put it to you, since you are now trying to teach from such a distant place.
  • spika
    spika 11 October 2013 11: 58 New
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    this tovar similar to a Japanese: a kind of logic and for the legend of parachutists, he is ready to make sepuku for himself, humor is also translated.
    ;)))))
  • spika
    spika 11 October 2013 11: 58 New
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    this tovar similar to a Japanese: a kind of logic and for the legend of parachutists, he is ready to make sepuku for himself, humor is also translated.
    ;)))))

    And on the topic of thermal explosion, watch a few seconds from 1.22 minutes (the rest is reconstruction there - the actors).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUjrW1Fns9Y&feature=youtu.be
  • ekzorsist
    ekzorsist 14 October 2013 18: 25 New
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    Quote: scientist
    Grnpisovtsev from prison should be sent there for a couple of years of correctional labor.

    !!!!! Do not send a program - A URGENT !!! And all at once in an office !!!
    That's where they will turn around! And how much benefit they bring .... maybe. It just seems to me to get out of there instantly and they will still yell in all their throats that they were misunderstood ...