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Media: Russia is rearming the Black Sea Fleet, violating agreements with Ukraine

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Moscow decides in its own way the issues of modernization of the Black Sea fleetnot paying attention to the position of Kiev and violating the basic Ukrainian-Russian agreements on the naval base, including the principle of "type on type, class on class."


Thus, in mid-February, the Azov landing ship, in violation of laws and procedures, brought the BTR-2013AM from Novorossiysk to Sevastopol, the latest modification of the BTR-82 armored base carrier for the Russian Armed Forces. In Ukraine, the new vehicle spent about a week aboard the landing ship and only 80 February, a few hours before visiting the Marines military town in Cossack Bay, the new Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, was taken to the location of the Black Sea Fleet 20 brigade.

At the official level, the command of the Russian Black Sea Fleet admitted the illegal import of armored vehicles into the territory of Ukraine only in April. Through the naval press service, it was stated that "the new BTR-82AM armored personnel carrier, which is to replace the BTR-80, which is in service with the Russian army, is being tested at the Marine Corps in Sevastopol", and that "the main difference between the new model BTR- 82AM from its predecessor is an automatic artillery installation caliber 30-mm, greatly enhancing the firepower of the machine. "

According to ZN.UA, the plans of the Russian military in the coming years include the receipt of this particular type of military equipment for the armament of the marine unit of the Russian Black Sea Fleet based in Ukraine.

Another example of violation of bilateral agreements on the Black Sea Fleet was the illegal entry into Ukraine of a new vessel of the Black Sea Fleet. At the end of April, a new-generation raid tug RB-389 came from Novorossiysk to Sevastopol. Officially declared purpose of arrival - for repairs.

However, having stood for a short time at the berth, the new equipment of the auxiliary fleet of the Black Sea Fleet set to work, being actively involved in towing Russian warships and ships in the water area of ​​Sevastopol. Already, 7 in May of the RB-389 was involved in the re-mooring of the ship's personnel to the parade in preparation for the celebration of the 230 anniversary of the founding of the Black Sea Fleet.

Later it turned out that the operation to move the new vessel to the main base of the Black Sea Fleet, bypassing the basic agreements on the Russian Black Sea Fleet, was prepared by the Russian side in advance: the inscription “Sevastopol” was printed as a port of registry in Novorossiysk. Now the border intruder is part of the squadron of vessels providing the auxiliary fleet of the Black Sea Fleet and does not intend to leave the Ukrainian territorial waters.

On September 11, Moscow tried, without any permission for that, to pass unnoticed through the sea gates of Ukraine another convoy of Black Sea Fleet vessels. On this day, the rescue tug Shakhtar hurried to tow two more auxiliary vessels of the Black Sea Fleet in tow to the Sevastopol naval base - the rescue tug SB-4 and the diving vessel VM-86. Both towed vessels are attributed to Novorossiysk.

Kiev was indignant and demanded that the illegal caravan leave the Ukrainian territorial waters and wait for the outcome of the situation outside the maritime borders of Ukraine. Only after the agreement of the problem issue by the foreign affairs agencies of the two countries, September 14, the rescue tug SB-4 and the VM-86 diving vessel, already legally, went to Sevastopol for repairs. But after stories with the tugboat RB-389, it is possible that the SB-4 and BM-86 will remain on permanent residence in the bays of Sevastopol.

21 April 2010, the Presidents of Ukraine and Russia Yanukovich and Dmitry Medvedev signed an agreement to extend the stay of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine to 2042 and link the rent for it to the price of Russian gas supplied to Ukraine. 27 April 2010 was pleased to ratify this agreement.
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  1. alexng
    alexng 7 October 2013 12: 36 New
    66
    Ukraine will play out, as it itself violates, and very strongly, the previously signed agreement. But in case of an unfriendly attitude of Ukraine towards Russia (joining an alliance with NATO), Sevastopol can automatically transfer to the jurisdiction of Russia and Ukraine will no longer be able to influence this. This is what the most “powerless” authorities fear most.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 12: 49 New
      42
      I read this article recently on a mail, an ordinary Natsik pours slop. Nothing new.
      1. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 7 October 2013 13: 25 New
        42
        But I’m wondering if the USA is asking Italy for permission to rearm the Sixth Fleet in Naples or not.
        1. Bronis
          Bronis 7 October 2013 13: 45 New
          +9
          Quote: Kibalchish
          But I’m wondering if the USA is asking Italy for permission to rearm the Sixth Fleet in Naples or not.

          De facto, no, he asks, but only notifies and agrees on certain issues within the framework of NATO structures. Legally, Italy can protest, but in fact ... no, because there is no sense for Italy in this, and the consequences do not promise anything good.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 15: 15 New
            12
            Quote: Bronis
            Legally, Italy may protest, but in fact ...

            The wives of all periodically protest. laughing
            1. zavzik
              zavzik 7 October 2013 19: 36 New
              -21
              Your humor is several miles away with dirty footcloths, and, quite clearly, demonstrates the level of your intellect, or rather its complete absence.
              1. dmitrich
                dmitrich 8 October 2013 05: 05 New
                +1
                and your intellect is already splashing over the edge.
              2. IGS
                IGS 8 October 2013 06: 18 New
                +1
                Are you a fetishist? Are you excited by footcloths? Want to talk about it? wassat
              3. DJEIN8
                DJEIN8 8 October 2013 17: 48 New
                0
                zavzik 19:36
                Regardless of further relations between Ukraine and Russia
                BLACK indelible SPOT in the HISTORY of UKRAINIAN rulers
                there will be a VILANT USE of other scoundrels Khrushchev, Gorbachev and at
                branch of Ukraine YELTSYN, in the "TRANSFER" to Ukraine, Sevastopol ......
                None self-respecting in the first place, and BLOOD SPILLED BY RUSSIANS, on
                throughout history for the city of SEVASTOPOL would not dare to "grab" it
                with yourself .... NO UNDERSTANDING NOT JUSTIFICATION to such ... CAN'T BE ...,
                (Goebbels resting, he was not a friendly people) and now also
                Courage ...
      2. domokl
        domokl 7 October 2013 14: 09 New
        12
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        ordinary natsik pours slop

        good Hi Sasha. It’s nothing new and everything is so expected that it’s boring to discuss. The facts are distorted in the hope that readers will just be scrapped, read the agreement on the Black Sea Fleet.
        Such articles will now appear like whitewash in a roadside cafe ... in a stream. The Ukrainians need to be convinced that Russia is the enemy. Here and use the experience of Dr. Goebbels.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 14: 18 New
          +3
          Quote: domokl
          Hi Sasha

          Great, great wink I read your koment seven times in a row and I think what
          Didn’t you give your password to anyone for an hour? This is not the writing style of Domocles.
          Here is the style of another person.
          1. domokl
            domokl 7 October 2013 14: 36 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I read your koment seven times in a row and I think

            repeat Everything flows, everything changes ... Stormy weekend, snow, hail and rain on the head caused a slight change in attitude towards the surrounding reality fellow
            And if you add more autumn laziness to write, you get what happened laughing
      3. Arabist
        Arabist 7 October 2013 15: 06 New
        +4
        They (Natsiks) want us to come as a penitent. Well, I’ve come to find out if it’s possible to throw a couple of shells onto your ship and everything like that. No, we will talk with normal Ukrainians.
      4. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan 7 October 2013 17: 21 New
        +2
        Sasha, this Mirror of the Week is going crazy. I won’t buy this rubbish even to make a fire. winked
      5. Kosatka
        Kosatka 7 October 2013 17: 41 New
        +7
        You're right. Not something new. This hysteria, headed by the very best of “good Ukrainians” lasts 20 years. Pressure on the Black Sea Fleet goes in all directions (and successfully, with the support of the power of those who held it, I’ve been from Kiev). But they themselves, perfectly understand that they are playing with fire. If Russia does not back down, in this scenario, Crimea could leave Ukraine together with the Black Sea Fleet.
        Now there is a powerful information war that Russia is losing. At times, it seems that the West has muddied Syria in order to divert the forces and means of the Russian Federation from Ukraine, and later when Ukraine gets stuck in the EuroGey Union, finish Syria.
        1. I am a Russian
          I am a Russian 7 October 2013 22: 48 New
          0
          Quote: Kosatka
          . If Russia does not back down


          Do you think that Russia can backtrack?
      6. Constantine
        Constantine 7 October 2013 19: 36 New
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I read this article recently on a mail, an ordinary Natsik pours slop. Nothing new.


        In fact, Ukraine should say thanks since in conditions when the Ukrainian Navy exists only on paper, the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation is the only operational naval force that can defend Ukraine in which case, and considering what Ukraine is doing with the army, there is a great chance that the Russian Armed Forces in Sevastopol will remain the only a force that can protect Ukraine in principle wassat

        Nothing. The time will come when the rewritten history will be recognized as rewritten, and the artificially created state will return to where it belongs. wink
      7. Quartermaster
        Quartermaster 7 October 2013 23: 05 New
        +1
        the great Ukrainians can not calm down in any way, they practice Western handouts.
    2. Yura
      Yura 7 October 2013 13: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: alexneg
      Sevastopol can automatically transfer to the jurisdiction of Russia and Ukraine will no longer be able to influence this

      Can I talk about this in more detail? Or a link? For clarity, so to speak, as for me, this can be done by some others.
      1. Bronis
        Bronis 7 October 2013 13: 29 New
        10
        Quote: Jura
        Sevastopol can automatically transfer to the jurisdiction of Russia and Ukraine will no longer be able to influence this


        Patriotic, but legally unfounded. There are no legal grounds for such a transition. Crimea as an autonomy is part of Ukraine. Based on national legislation, a referendum will be needed. But in practice, all this is quite complicated and unrealistic. And there can be no talk of an automatic transfer to the "jurisdiction" of Russia in the event of joining NATO.
        There is such a branch of legal knowledge. International public law. So, if we choose to take part of some other state under “jurisdiction”, we will become an aggressor country. and this is not gut (although here the UN itself will stand in a stupor - it is unclear how to act against the country-permanent member of the Security Council).
        BUT on the other hand, if Ukraine joins NATO (which is unlikely so far), then in accordance with the North Atlantic Treaty, any action against one NATO member will be considered aggression against the entire bloc. With all that it implies ... there are also reservations, but not fundamental ones.
        So for now, it's all ping-pong: association with the European Union - here you have Onishchenko for your sweets ... yeah! There you are! Then here you have the Black Sea Fleet ... Soon the cold - and remember about the gas.
        However, in the current conditions, everything will remain as it is. Do not see Ukraine NATO, as we Crimea. At least until something out of the ordinary happens. It’s like the collapse of Ukraine or a tight confrontation with the United States in the best traditions of the Cold War.
        Conclusion: the pans are fighting, and at the lackeys forelocks are cracking. What a sad thing ...
        1. kris
          kris 7 October 2013 13: 49 New
          +5
          Quote: Bronis
          Conclusion: the pans are fighting, and at the lackeys forelocks are cracking. What a sad thing ...

          cleverly push the two fraternal peoples with their foreheads.
          And the Russian and Ukrainian Gauleiters are the agents of the idea of ​​separation of peoples.
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 7 October 2013 14: 07 New
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          Quote: Bronis
          Sevastopol can automatically transfer to the jurisdiction of Russia and Ukraine will no longer be able to influence this
          Patriotic, but legally unfounded. There are no legal grounds for such a transition


          There are legal grounds! Ukraine transferred the Crimean Autonomous Region. Sevastopol was a city of all-Union significance and did not enter the Crimean region! There are no such documents where Sevastopol was included in the Crimean region. It was Kravchuk who silently grabbed him with his bottle under a bottle. So there would be a desire ...
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 7 October 2013 14: 11 New
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            Quote: Egoza
            There are no such documents where Sevastopol was included in the Crimean region. It was Kravchuk who silently grabbed him with his bottle under a bottle.

            By the way, Sevastopol and now is not part of the Crimea. ALL city administration completely autonomousdirect Kiev submission (even a mayor is appointed from there)
            1. kris
              kris 7 October 2013 14: 15 New
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              Quote: Misantrop
              By the way, Sevastopol and now is not part of the Crimea. ALL city administration is absolutely autonomous, direct Kiev subordination (even a mayor is appointed from there)

              The law on the election of the mayor of Sevastopol has been blocked for many years in Kiev.
              They are afraid that they will choose a pro-Russian candidate, that’s why they appoint Gauleiters who absolutely do not understand the specifics of the city.
            2. Bronis
              Bronis 7 October 2013 20: 25 New
              0
              Greetings! You are absolutely right. The legal status of Sevastopol and Crimea is still that task (which, however, doesn’t change anything for us). Especially, given that Ukraine is considered a unitary state, albeit decentralized.
          2. Old_kapitan
            Old_kapitan 7 October 2013 17: 36 New
            +7
            There are legal grounds! Ukraine transferred the Crimean Autonomous Region. Sevastopol was a city of all-Union significance and did not enter the Crimean region! There are no such documents where Sevastopol was included in the Crimean region. It was Kravchuk who silently grabbed him with his bottle under a bottle. So there would be a desire ...

            Alas, alas, alas ... Russia recognized Ukraine within the borders of the 1991 year and acted as a guarantor of its integrity. Since Sevas is territorially located in Ukraine and there were no reservations about it ... In general, hello to Uncle Bor. drank Sevastopol.
            1. Patriot.ru.
              Patriot.ru. 7 October 2013 21: 13 New
              0
              In any document, there are commas, there are brackets, there is a fine print. But when there is POWER, documents are only viewed
          3. serezhasoldatow
            serezhasoldatow 7 October 2013 19: 04 New
            +4
            This Kravchuk EBN made a gift on a binge. He almost got to the hospital. He did not understand what Crimea is and what Sevastopol is. I had to drink less. I still wonder how he did not give Kaliningrad to the Germans.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 7 October 2013 19: 07 New
              +3
              Quote: serezhasoldatow
              I still wonder how he did not give Kaliningrad to the Germans.
              There was no chancellor on that booze. Probably, then he bit his elbows ... laughing
          4. Bronis
            Bronis 7 October 2013 20: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: Egoza
            There are legal grounds!

            No, unfortunately, because Sevastopol is part of Ukraine. All the rest does not matter. The Supreme Council, I recall, adopted the resolution No. 5359-1, but the matter did not go further. There is 2 of fact: first, there is not a word about Sevastopol in the Constitution of the Russian Federation (which is part of the Russian Federation). In the constitution of Ukraine - is. We do not dispute rights. We have no legal rights to Sevastopol. But you can’t get moral to the point ... unfortunately.
            Regarding local administration, read esteemed Misantrop-a
        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 15: 19 New
          +4
          Quote: Bronis
          There are no legal grounds for such a transition. Crimea as an autonomy is part of Ukraine.

          Under the Union, Sevastopol was directly subordinate to Moscow. So lawyers will be able to dig deeper there, if allowed from above.
          1. Bronis
            Bronis 7 October 2013 20: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Under the Union, Sevastopol was directly subordinate to Moscow. So lawyers will be able to dig deeper there, if allowed from above.

            There were many conflicting documents. But there’s nothing special to pick about. Through concrete action (20-year inaction), the status itself was recognized.
        4. shark
          shark 7 October 2013 15: 52 New
          +6
          We must really sit and wait. And feed (firmly feed) pro-Russian organizations in Crimea. Then maybe something will wait. It is interesting how it will look legally if, upon entry of Ukraine into the EU, a visa is issued for Ukrainians to enter Russia, but for residents of the ARC, no?
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 7 October 2013 19: 10 New
            +2
            Quote: shark
            And nourish (firmly nourish) pro-Russian organizations in Crimea.
            Ideas and technical support, NOT ONLY MONEY (they will again drag the "pro-Russian activists" of one cunning nationality). In Simferopol, for example, there is such a "Russian cultural center." So there is NOT A single Russian ... request
        5. Patriot.ru.
          Patriot.ru. 7 October 2013 21: 06 New
          +2
          As far as I know, the Black Sea Fleet is based in Ukraine. Based on an agreement on friendship and cooperation between Ukraine and the Russian Federation. If they revise it (joining NATO), then we will take away our obligations from Sevastopol.
    3. Civil
      Civil 7 October 2013 13: 40 New
      +1
      It seems that we can’t do without a division of Ukraine ... to begin with the introduction of troops into the Crimea to protect the population from forced Ukrainization,
      1. Bronis
        Bronis 7 October 2013 13: 52 New
        +7
        Quote: Civil
        It seems that we can’t do without a division of Ukraine ... to begin with the introduction of troops into the Crimea to protect the population from forced Ukrainization,

        ABOUT! Now is not the time of the partition of the Commonwealth. Troops should be completed, not started. And the collapse of Ukraine does not know what will bring us. Are we ready for this? We still have the Caucasus actively smoking ...
        Crimea can only be a part of the overall strategy, but it is not yet. And just like that, Crimea (“To be”) is a huge intractable problem.
      2. apostol88
        apostol88 7 October 2013 14: 15 New
        +3
        We are not like Americans, we are "Good" and we never offend anyone!
      3. shark
        shark 7 October 2013 16: 10 New
        +3
        Sooner, very early. Let’s put things in order first. But you can’t forget about propaganda work in Crimea ....
      4. Ivan Sirko
        Ivan Sirko 7 October 2013 18: 05 New
        -2
        Also I have a "introducer." Pay tribute to Chechnya, but now you want to pay Crimea too?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 18: 17 New
          -1
          Quote: Ivan Sirko
          Also I have a "introducer." Pay tribute to Chechnya, but now you want to pay Crimea too?

          Crimea does not need, there is mainly the Russian population, which does not need tribute.
          1. Aljavad
            Aljavad 8 October 2013 01: 47 New
            +1
            And the Crimean Tatar Mejlis ?! A little staggering - they will take power, and the Turks will support everything they can.
            The Mejlis has formed not recognized, but acting authorities.
        2. Patton5
          Patton5 7 October 2013 21: 39 New
          +2
          Crimea is only a territorially and legally part of the outlying state, but if tomorrow happens to depart Russia, will join the Russian Federation as a native
        3. I am a Russian
          I am a Russian 7 October 2013 22: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Ivan Sirko
          Also I have a "introducer." Pay tribute to Chechnya, but now you want to pay Crimea too?


          what did you vote for? Do a circumcision and blow a chicha ... and a bit will get a bit
        4. IGS
          IGS 8 October 2013 06: 28 New
          +1
          Ay-ah, to beat the patient ... not good ... you can get in the return line. For example, let’s take care laughing, in the best traditions of European and democratic values, the position of your women, whom you sell in brothels around the world, you yourself needlessly, it’s obvious that once in a pid .., I'm sorry, we’ve gathered in the EU. And introduce fellow
      5. morpex
        morpex 7 October 2013 20: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: Civil
        It seems that we can’t do without a division of Ukraine ... to begin with the introduction of troops into the Crimea to protect the population from forced Ukrainization,

        Do you think Ukraine is an enemy? And she needs fire and a sword? "Wisely" ... I’ll say it from myself. that anyone who considers the Russian and Ukrainian peoples as enemies / competitors / opponents, m... I love my country - Ukraine. I respect Russia and its inhabitants. And even in theory I can not imagine such a development. You are sick?
    4. kris
      kris 7 October 2013 13: 59 New
      +7

      The city of RUSSIAN sailors!
    5. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 7 October 2013 14: 39 New
      +3
      Well, with NATO, we also violate and wouldn’t they go to dig a ravine with a horse ?.
    6. Quiet
      Quiet 7 October 2013 15: 41 New
      +3
      This is what the most “powerless” authorities fear most.

      There is a good saying, "If they are afraid, then they will definitely lose" !!! laughing
      1. alone
        alone 7 October 2013 19: 17 New
        0
        Looked at the photo attached to the article. Is the first ship from the right at the bow of the nose a dent, or did it seem to me? If a dent, then where does the fleet command and the captain of the ship look?
        And yet. Why is the Marine Brigade 1 BTR-82AM needed for the arrival of Shoigu?. And what, is this BTR in a single copy a lot of what decides for the brigade? Or is this another fraud of the command before the Minister, they say, we have 1 BTR-82am in the brigade.
    7. Very old
      Very old 7 October 2013 22: 28 New
      +3
      Do not scold Sister. Do not get sick "ischo"
  2. TRex
    TRex 7 October 2013 12: 36 New
    10
    Some tugboats, rescuers, armored personnel carriers ... It would be nice to be indignant if a couple of new cruisers stood against the wall, and submarines would not interfere in Balaklava. And then - RB, SB ... Soon we will begin to consider raid boats?
    1. Akim
      Akim 7 October 2013 12: 45 New
      -8
      Quote: TRex
      if a couple of new cruisers stood against the wall, and submarines will not interfere in Balaclava

      Are they available?
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 7 October 2013 13: 27 New
        13
        Is this the case? at least it’s ridiculous to find fault with a raid tugboat and a rescuer, they don’t dare to call their language “military”, “0” weapons, well, and they’ll hardly be able to “undermine” the Navy’s defenses.
        1. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 7 October 2013 19: 44 New
          0
          A beggar and a house slipper from a rich boot, but then you really want to wait a second ...
      2. Stasstoychev
        Stasstoychev 7 October 2013 13: 37 New
        +5
        find! :-) winked
      3. shark
        shark 7 October 2013 15: 56 New
        +3
        Do you doubt what will happen? And not a couple-three?
      4. Tersky
        Tersky 7 October 2013 20: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: Akim
        Are they available?

        Are you talking about the Ukrainian Navy? Well then, definitely not ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 7 October 2013 21: 03 New
          -2
          Quote: Tersky
          Are you talking about the Ukrainian Navy?

          There is no navy in Ukraine at all. The Navy has nothing new.
          But the question was about the new cruisers of the Russian Federation?
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 7 October 2013 21: 36 New
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            But the question was about the new cruisers of the Russian Federation?

            If they are built, then they won’t see Sevastopol, if so much saliva is poured over the tugboat and the rescue vessel, then some people will choke on their own because of the cruiser.
    2. kris
      kris 7 October 2013 13: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: TRex
      submarines will not interfere in Balaclava.

      Everything has already been destroyed in Balaclava. The 825 is used as a museum of the Navy.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 7 October 2013 14: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: TRex
      Soon the raid boats will begin to count?

      Yeah! Why are they really indignant? Wanted - began to take less gas in Russia. So the less gas we take, the more Russian ships in Sevastopol! All according to the laws of physics! laughing
      1. alone
        alone 7 October 2013 19: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Yeah! Why are they really indignant? Wanted - began to take less gas in Russia. So the less gas we take, the more Russian ships in Sevastopol! All according to the laws of physics!


        well, if you call sb-4 and vm-86 warships, then the laws of physics generally rest))
    4. Siberian
      Siberian 7 October 2013 19: 52 New
      +1
      TRex

      Any reason to resent them will do. Though tugboats, even an inflatable boat. The most important thing is to inflate your cheeks.
  3. Russ69
    Russ69 7 October 2013 12: 36 New
    15
    ... how this butting has already gotten ...
    1. AVV
      AVV 7 October 2013 13: 53 New
      +2
      Let them first restore order, taking into account the Crimean Tatars in the Crimea, and the lands illegally seized by them, and then, all questions to Khrushchev in the Black Sea Fleet, why he made such a somersault, Ukraine never belonged to Crimea !!!
  4. cerko
    cerko 7 October 2013 12: 38 New
    11
    for me, so the status of a foreign military base in Sevastopol is a formality and for Crimeans it is also a formality
  5. maxbrov74
    maxbrov74 7 October 2013 12: 40 New
    12
    Ukraine may continue to be indignant, angry and preoccupied, etc. regarding the planned activities of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Crimea. No one is going to rob her of the holy right to autonomously indignant.
    1. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 7 October 2013 19: 48 New
      +2
      Remember the cartoon "Fulfillment of desires": "Look how he (the author) has been dismantled! Okay, you bark, bark, but just don’t bite!"
  6. Akim
    Akim 7 October 2013 12: 43 New
    34
    To go nuts. Tug and armored personnel carrier. Now I will not fall asleep from the "growing Russian threat" fellow I thought I had a chandelier from the earthquake, but not. According to the frightened author, this was a Bester passing in the Crimea. He wrote garbage to make a decor.
  7. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 7 October 2013 12: 44 New
    +9
    Ukraine, Ukraine! It seems to me that it would be extremely nice for ordinary people, Ukrainians, if, say, a couple of new cruisers and a dozen submarines came to Sevastopol, with such a neighborhood both warmer and safer, but it’s clear who they are indignant - we didn’t coordinate the tug in port - pay 100500 hryvnias. Absurd.
  8. Kiliny
    Kiliny 7 October 2013 12: 47 New
    +9
    Baby talk, right ...
  9. Daniil
    Daniil 7 October 2013 12: 57 New
    +3
    Yanukovych himself is probably not happy about the agreement he signed with Medvedev. He is torn into the European Union and then the Black Sea Fleet is not giving him peace and Dmitry Anatolyevich is blackmailing with the Customs Union.
    1. alone
      alone 7 October 2013 19: 22 New
      0
      Quote: DaniiL
      Dmitry Anatolyevich is blackmailing with the Customs Union.


      wassat LADIES most likely scares him with a new iPhone. DAM is not even capable of blackmail without a decree from above
  10. xperia
    xperia 7 October 2013 12: 58 New
    +9
    Ukraine is only looking for an excuse to remove the Black Sea Fleet from Sevastopol.
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 7 October 2013 20: 00 New
      +3
      xperia

      Do not wait. As our fleet stood, it will be there.
  11. Breeze59
    Breeze59 7 October 2013 13: 00 New
    12
    Powerful rearmament. They are indignant, as if they were already NATO members, although they are also in Africa ... As if they had not requested help from the Geisoyuz for blockade the Black Sea Fleet ships.
  12. sven27
    sven27 7 October 2013 13: 00 New
    +2
    all this reminds a fable about an elephant and a pug.
    Soon the brothers-Slavs will play out, we will take back our Crimea from them!
    1. Akim
      Akim 7 October 2013 13: 06 New
      -25
      Quote: sven27
      Slav brothers we will take our Crimea back from them!

      Have you heard about the Indian national hut? Or the opinion, living there does not count?
      1. sven27
        sven27 7 October 2013 13: 11 New
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        Quote: Akim
        Have you heard about the Indian national hut? Or the opinion, living there does not count?

        So you ask the Crimean population where they would like more in Russia or Ukraine. Do they want Sevastopol to become another NATO base? I think the answer is obvious.
        PS and inappropriately poke, ugly hi
        1. tun1313
          tun1313 7 October 2013 13: 23 New
          +5
          Quote: sven27
          So you ask the Crimean population where they would like more in Russia or Ukraine. Do they want Sevastopol to become another NATO base? I think the answer is obvious.

          If you ask the Tatars then everyone will be surprised.
          1. Alexander I
            Alexander I 7 October 2013 13: 42 New
            +3
            Why ask them? laughing
          2. Patton5
            Patton5 7 October 2013 21: 53 New
            +1
            give the Tatars an independent Crimea!
        2. Akim
          Akim 7 October 2013 13: 27 New
          -5
          Quote: sven27
          I think the answer is obvious

          Well, sorry. They pulled the string - I wanted to poke more painfully. As for the survey, sociologists conducted it. It is not in the public domain, but more than half of Crimeans consider Ukraine their country. Moreover, these are people up to 40. Quite a large percentage consider Russia their homeland, as the legal successors of the USSR. If they asked me: I consider the USSR to be my Homeland, the answer would be YES. But whether I consider Russia to be my Motherland is definitely NOT. When I first signed the contract, I messed up two forms. In the graph Country of birth He wrote the USSR, and then the Ukrainian SSR.
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 7 October 2013 13: 44 New
            +7
            Quote: Akim
            It is not in the public domain, but more than half of Crimeans consider Ukraine their country.


            Akim good cheered up, is it really so secret?

            According to a sociological survey, only 38% of its residents today want to see the peninsula as part of the Russian


            if you are talking about this poll, then here ~ 38% / 40%

            http://www.km.ru/world/2012/09/14/polozhenie-russkoyazychnogo-naseleniya-ukrainy
            / Xnumx-russiya-teryaet-krym

            but to be honest, I don’t believe in statistics, it’s complete nonsense, and I, as a resident of Crimea, know better what the people in Crimea "breathe"
            1. Akim
              Akim 7 October 2013 14: 01 New
              -3
              Quote: seller trucks
              Akim cheered up, is it really so secret?

              This is not a secret, just the survey was commissioned by the Crimean government and cannot be published without his consent. So small data leaks out and that's it.
              1. avg
                avg 7 October 2013 14: 10 New
                12
                Now I live in Moscow, but My Homeland is Theodosius. I often have childhood friends, and I know the mood of Crimeans firsthand. I have not heard from any of them that their homeland is Ukraine, although in Soviet times they would most likely have been called the Ukrainian SSR. You got such pearls as Crimean, Nikolaev, Odessa and other regions on a silver platter, so say thank you to Yeltsin and behave accordingly. And when they start demanding money for passage along the Kerch Strait and taking customs duty for sailor soap, I want to send all the Big Agreements to fuck and restore historical justice.
                By the way, Sevastopol has always been a city of central subordination, and Russia, as the assignee of the USSR, has every right to it.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 7 October 2013 14: 47 New
                  -6
                  Quote: avg
                  I often have childhood friends, and I know the mood of Crimeans firsthand. I have not heard from any of them that their homeland is Ukraine,

                  I also have the birthplace of the USSR, but the country in which I live is Ukraine. And if they tell me that Russia + the USSR, I will laugh in his face, or even spit.
                  1. avg
                    avg 7 October 2013 16: 34 New
                    +6
                    I also have the birthplace of the USSR, but the country in which I live is Ukraine. And if they tell me that Russia + the USSR, I will laugh in his face, or even spit.

                    You know, my friend, the Internet boor is perhaps worse than the tram. He at least runs the risk of spitting in the snout, and the Internet "daredevil" - nothing at all! hi
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 7 October 2013 16: 43 New
                      +3
                      Quote: avg
                      He at least runs the risk of spitting in the snout,

                      Therefore, he wrote at the beginning laugh. Naturally, if he is the size of Valuev, I do not dare even spit in his direction. But bourgeois Russia will never be identified with a socialist state. At least not during our lifetimes.
                      1. shasherin_pavel
                        shasherin_pavel 7 October 2013 20: 01 New
                        +3
                        In modern Ukraine, is socialism now, not the bourgeoisie, or is the Com Party of Ukraine in power? Or Ukraine wants to enter into a partnership with the European social. camp? But he wants to bask for free bourgeois Russian gas, as it was once part of the USSR.
                      2. Akim
                        Akim 7 October 2013 20: 24 New
                        0
                        Quote: shasherin_pavel
                        In modern Ukraine, socialism is now, not the bourgeoisie, or the Com Party of Ukraine is in power

                        Both there and there are bourgeois. Only this country in which I live and campaign for Russia, as the legal successor, does not make sense. Sewed on soap. Do not remember the Communist Party of Ukraine - these are shifters, with the absence of actions in the direction of socialism-communism. The USSR, unfortunately, has long been gone, and Russia is hard to call so that I love her.
                2. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 7 October 2013 16: 35 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Akim
                  I will laugh in his face, or even spit.
                  Not tolerant, not European. We must wean from these habits, otherwise they will be expelled, they will not look at patriotism ... lol
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 7 October 2013 16: 45 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Misantrop
                    otherwise they will expel, they will not look at patriotism ...

                    Not a great seal. I don’t aspire there either.
                    1. Misantrop
                      Misantrop 7 October 2013 17: 20 New
                      0
                      Quote: Akim
                      Not a great seal. I don’t aspire there either.
                      The sad thing is that the leaders will not ask, they will confront the fact and begin to press ...
                    2. Akim
                      Akim 7 October 2013 17: 49 New
                      0
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      and begin to press ..

                      Do not invent.
                    3. shasherin_pavel
                      shasherin_pavel 7 October 2013 20: 07 New
                      +2
                      Why not invent it? As I laughed at my father-in-law in Chernigov when they told me about the election: "if you do not vote for Kravchuk, we will turn off the gas for you." Mother-in-law says, "where are you going? Voted." I told her: "And how do they know that you did not vote for Kravchuk?" Says: "So then he will lose." "And how will he turn off your gas if he loses the election? In the leadership, it will be different." We tried, we know.
                    4. Akim
                      Akim 7 October 2013 20: 31 New
                      +3
                      Quote: shasherin_pavel
                      "if you do not vote for Kravchuk, we will turn off your gas"

                      This is a scarecrow, and now it works, I know about the Odessa elections. If a person -L ... X, he will be scared from the finger. 99th year. We were scared - we will not vote for Kuchma, we will become a satellite and go to Chechnya. Therefore, they did a nachfak in the West and the whole battery voted for Simonenko.
          2. Patton5
            Patton5 7 October 2013 22: 03 New
            +1
            Apparently Ukraine will become the link that will gather around itself the fragments of a great country ?! Maybe in Russia the same mess as ours, but if you are for integration with the European Union, we are not on your way!
            1. Akim
              Akim 7 October 2013 22: 09 New
              0
              Quote: Patton5
              but if you are for integration with the European Union, we are not on your way!

              Wait and see. Neither I nor you will change anything, and it does not make sense to sharpen anger at the people. Now Russia is only doing worse.
        3. TRex
          TRex 7 October 2013 14: 58 New
          14
          avg but my homeland is Theodosius- with fraternal greetings, fellow countrywoman! My mother lives there. He served for many years in Sevastopol, now I live and work in the Urals. Nearby are two fraternists from the Chernihiv region, who have a father and a mother there. Who will divide us? Are politicians corrupt? No matter how they themselves are torn, like a Tuzik heating pad ...
          1. avg
            avg 7 October 2013 16: 28 New
            +7
            Hello! Very good glad to meet the Theodosian. Unfortunately, this generation of ours perceives the collapse of the Great Country as a tragedy, but my grandchildren are already given, albeit politely, nodding when I clean their brains.
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 7 October 2013 14: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: Akim
        The survey was commissioned by the Crimean government and ...
        ... among its representatives (appointed from Kiev) lol
      3. vkrav
        vkrav 7 October 2013 15: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: Akim
        just a survey was commissioned by the government of Crimea

        ... in the Enlightenment society? Or in the Majlis?
      4. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 7 October 2013 19: 56 New
        +1
        I can imagine how this poll would be advertised if 90% were for Ukraine.
    2. alex13-61
      alex13-61 7 October 2013 15: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: seller trucks
      , and I, as a resident of Crimea, know better than what the people in Crimea "breathe"

      I support and confirm as a resident of the Crimean AR.
  13. sven27
    sven27 7 October 2013 13: 48 New
    +3
    Recently, many attempts have been made to divide the two fraternal peoples, mainly from the Ukrainian nationalists raised the topic of gas, famine and the Black Sea Fleet. And this article is the next paper on the topic of the Black Sea Fleet. Let's not succumb to it. Let Crimea remain Ukrainian. Peace be with you Slavs!
    1. alex13-61
      alex13-61 7 October 2013 15: 38 New
      +6
      Quote: sven27
      . Let Crimea remain Ukrainian.

      Tell me more - the Western Ukrainian ... Do I need to change nationality ???
    2. shark
      shark 7 October 2013 16: 01 New
      +7
      Crimea was and will be Russian. But at this point in history, it is part of the Ukrainian state. So it’s probably more correct to perceive it
      1. Akim
        Akim 7 October 2013 16: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: shark
        Crimea was and will be Russian.

        I agree with that.
        1. Simon
          Simon 7 October 2013 21: 55 New
          0
          Although I agreed here.
          1. Akim
            Akim 7 October 2013 22: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: Simon
            Although I agreed here.

            Because it is necessary to be able to separate these two concepts. Maybe Natsik and dream to Ukrainize Crimea and plant their culture, but this is a minority. He will be Russian, but the citizens of Ukraine live there.
            1. Cristall
              Cristall 8 October 2013 23: 16 New
              0
              It’s just as easy for me to breathe in Crimea as in Lviv. And there and there you don’t think, despite 2 languages ​​(in Lviv, in 2 hours you start to speak Ukrainian, even though you think in Russian).
              I don’t feel the difference between St. Petersburg (where we were told and we were told that we are tourists here and our language is somewhat different) Crimea, Sevastopol, Lviv and Odessa ...
              I don’t understand why did you make a cheese here?
  14. Misantrop
    Misantrop 7 October 2013 14: 20 New
    +7
    Quote: Akim
    As for the survey, sociologists conducted it. It is not in the public domain, but more than half of Crimeans consider Ukraine their country. Moreover, these are people up to 40.
    Not only that, Crimeans did not even suspect this poll, not to mention being questioned. And "people under 40" are teachers of the 1st Ukrainian gymnasium? So they will not respond differently lol
    And if such a survey were indeed conducted among Crimeans, then it would not have been in the public domain for a completely different reason - most of the answers to being in Ukraine would be ... abusive. WHERE SUCH to publish. Periodically, local TV channels show interviews with passers-by on this topic, so there only from the screen is: "Pee-p-p !!! is heard. And you can see how the lips move with very running phrases. Moreover - regardless of nationality, gender and age ... lol
    1. Akim
      Akim 7 October 2013 14: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: Misantrop
      From time to time, local TV channels show interviews with passers-by on this topic,

      Those who like to give interviews are people aged. About five years ago, I worked on a Odessa television channel and I know. Dove and show not different opinions, but those that are necessary for the leadership of the channel.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 7 October 2013 16: 31 New
        0
        Quote: Misantrop
        regardless of nationality, gender and age ...
        Selectively read? wink
      2. Simon
        Simon 7 October 2013 21: 58 New
        +1
        What was they fired for? Likely as Russophobe?
  15. Deniska999
    Deniska999 7 October 2013 15: 28 New
    +2
    They gave Crimea - we will return Crimea.
    1. Akim
      Akim 7 October 2013 15: 33 New
      -9
      Quote: Deniska999
      They gave Crimea - we will return Crimea.

      Well hello ZOMBIES! You have no other problems, how to dream of war. Play the computer - take it easy.
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 7 October 2013 23: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        Well hello ZOMBIES! You have no other problems, how to dream of war.

        And who is not a zombie? This is now a normal standard state.
        According to the Third World Development Program, Georgia is the first in line - now the fence is being set up on the border of South Ossetia with violations, when the Georgians emerge - they will conquer them, and then - if Turkey misses, Assad will overthrow and Persia, and if the Turks refuse, then return Crimea. ..
        So convince the Turks to skip as far as possible, so that they themselves stay away ...
  16. vkrav
    vkrav 7 October 2013 15: 43 New
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    but their country more than half of Crimeans consider Ukraine.

    And this “half” of specifically interviewed people appeared in Crimea after 1992. Enough to drive the blizzard.
    1. Akim
      Akim 7 October 2013 15: 59 New
      -5
      Quote: vkrav
      And this “half” of specifically interviewed people appeared in Crimea after 1992.

      I have a Crimean friend, I have a bunch of co-workers who came from there. Dozens of fighters, residents of that region, took the oath of allegiance to the people of Ukraine. Or do you want to say that these are not people? Who could, he squinted, and now screams for reunion. Those who are older - taking the oath of the Soviet Union, they can still be understood. And that is not completely.
  17. Genry
    Genry 7 October 2013 17: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Akim
    In the column Country of birth wrote the USSR, and then the USSR.

    And the one who transferred the data from the questionnaire to the database, wrote down the USSR. Vedas in the template there is no such country as the USSR.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVuIx7iSaw
    1. Akim
      Akim 7 October 2013 17: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Genry
      Vedas in the template there is no such country as the USSR.

      There is. It is called UkrSSR.
      1. Genry
        Genry 7 October 2013 18: 22 New
        0
        Yes, even Lviv indicate, it will still be the USSR. It’s like in America, indicate Alaska and by hierarchy get the USA.
  18. Saburov
    Saburov 7 October 2013 18: 18 New
    +2
    Crimea has never been Ukrainian, and there has never been such a state as Ukraine, and there will be no ghost, Ukraine is from the edge of the word, for the first time this name was pronounced by Catherine II, thereby marking the borders of the Russian Empire, and if we delve deeper into history, Crimea was Tatar, Turkish and subsequently Russian, and he remained so until one indiot named Khrushchev entered this peninsula into the territory of the Ukrainian SSR, if not to be unfounded, then according to the division of the Soviet Union, since all border treaties had to be canceled, Crimea should n was to depart Russia, thanks to Boris for the Russian Crimea, and all the talk about the Kaiser's Square thanks to agents and uneducated people who swallowed it all.
    1. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 7 October 2013 20: 15 New
      0
      In fact, before the war they said, "Ukraine, isn’t that rye, Taras Shevchenko .."
      1. PKTRL
        PKTRL 7 October 2013 21: 54 New
        0
        He spoke Ukrainian. Stress on the first "a". Outskirts of Russia (in Ekaterinensky). Shevchenko could not even imagine that such a country in the world could appear in the world (as in a joke, because of one word ...). By the way, this nat-shot all his life was wanted by the tsarist police for theft and not only. Not when I didn’t work. And he wrote about his rich nenko .. from St. Petersburg and Gatchina (where, in fact, he hid most of his life). What you are not far ... and not literate ...
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 7 October 2013 22: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: PCTRL
          By the way, this nat-shot all his life was wanted by the tsarist police for theft and not only. Not when I didn’t work. And he wrote about his rich nenko .. from St. Petersburg and Gatchina (where, in fact, he hid most of his life). What you are not far ... and not literate ...

          It is strange that you, with your scholarship, forgot to mention the Russian godfather who otmazyvat this "thief" and huddled him in his thieves' hut in St. Petersburg ... A certain Count Fedor Petrovich Tolstoy, vice-president of the Imperial Academy of Arts and uncle of the renowned Leo Tolstoy. .. laughing
    2. PKTRL
      PKTRL 7 October 2013 21: 33 New
      +3
      Crimea has never been Ukrainian, and there has never been such a state as Ukraine, and there will be no ghost, Ukraine is from the edge of the word, for the first time this name was pronounced by Catherine II, thereby marking the borders of the Russian Empire, and if we delve deeper into history, Crimea was Tatar, Turkish and subsequently Russian, and he remained so until one indiot named Khrushchev entered this peninsula into the territory of the Ukrainian SSR, if not to be unfounded, then according to the division of the Soviet Union, since all border treaties had to be canceled, Crimea should n was to depart Russia, thanks to Boris for the Russian Crimea, and all the talk about the Kaiser's Square thanks to agents and uneducated people who swallowed it all.

      Absolutely right! History cannot be cut down with an ax ...!
  • Patton5
    Patton5 7 October 2013 21: 50 New
    +1
    I won’t say it for everyone, but I and almost everyone I know would definitely be for joining the Russian Federation!
  • GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 7 October 2013 14: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Have you heard about the Indian national hut? Or the opinion, living there does not count?

    And what about the Guatemalan People’s House? bully
  • vkrav
    vkrav 7 October 2013 15: 40 New
    17
    Quote: Akim
    Or the opinion, living there does not count?

    Do you want the opinion of a person living in Sevastopol? Most Sevastopol residents consider the city stupidly occupied by Ukrainians. Moreover, a stupid ukrodoblo howls about love for the rye nenka creeps into Sevastopol, as if they smeared with honey here. places where the salary is paid steadily. Well, not counting the sale of Sevastopol land to the same stolen ukra. The general policy of the Ukrainian authorities is to give a shit to the maximum, until they are asked to dump the farm, catch the money ek.Vot your opinion.
    1. kris
      kris 7 October 2013 15: 49 New
      +8
      Quote: vkrav
      Do you want the opinion of a person living in Sevastopol? Most Sevastopol residents consider the city stupidly occupied by Ukrainians. Moreover, a stupid ukrodoblo howls about love for the rye nenka creeps into Sevastopol, as if they smeared with honey here. places where the salary is paid steadily. Well, not counting the sale of Sevastopol land to the same stolen ukra. The general policy of the Ukrainian authorities is to give a shit to the maximum, until they are asked to dump the farm, catch the money ek.Vot your opinion.

      to the very point !!!
      hi fellow countryman. I myself grew up in Cossack.
    2. Akim
      Akim 7 October 2013 16: 06 New
      -1
      Quote: vkrav
      . The entire economy of the city rests on the Navy and naval enterprises, as these are the only places where salaries are paid steadily.

      So they gave you a "sweetie" and you are ready to talk about only one thing. Sevastopol is a specific city. He has been tied to the navy all his life and it is natural that he gives life to the city. And you can not tell me about lands. I make my way to the beaches with a fight. But know how to separate flies from cutlets, and not to vilify everyone and everything.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 7 October 2013 16: 39 New
        +7
        Quote: Akim
        know how to separate flies from cutlets, and not to vilify everyone and everything.
        And what to kiss them in intimate places for the projects of transforming Sevastopol "in the European style"? One of the new projects is to throw the hospital and all related services from the Cape Hospital and ... build a yacht club for the elite. Will you list this "elite" or will you guess it yourself?
  • Troy
    Troy 7 October 2013 15: 59 New
    +2
    Do you know the opinion of Crimeans?
  • givargi
    givargi 7 October 2013 16: 09 New
    +5
    Crimea UTB Russian land. The Russians repulsed her from the Tatars.
    1. Simon
      Simon 7 October 2013 22: 04 New
      +3
      Correct! Crimean Tatars were vassals of the Turks, which means they were recaptured from the Turks.
  • slav4ikus
    slav4ikus 7 October 2013 16: 19 New
    +1
    and you yourself heard the opinion of LIVING there ???
  • IGS
    IGS 8 October 2013 06: 39 New
    0
    But seriously, what could interfere? Without hatred.
  • morpex
    morpex 7 October 2013 20: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: sven27
    Soon the brothers-Slavs will play out, we will take back our Crimea from them!

    How? What "Makar"? Do you have a plan Maybe enough nonsense to carry?
    1. IGS
      IGS 8 October 2013 06: 42 New
      0
      The same question for you. What could prevent Russia from annexing Crimea?
      1. Akim
        Akim 8 October 2013 09: 38 New
        0
        Quote: IGS
        What could prevent Russia from annexing Crimea?

        There is such an unaccounted for component - Ukraine.
        1. IGS
          IGS 8 October 2013 15: 38 New
          0
          Do you believe that yourself? The Crimeans themselves will not particularly mind, with the exception of some of the same Crimean Tatars, but they are far from Chechens, you can quietly agree with the sashka, let the others stop and even get the right propaganda, they’ll eat me up now, but if, for example, surrender Syria in exchange for the Crimea ... and Ukraine will be in the position of Georgia ... so .. there will be no civilian support for the defense, this is not western Ukraine ... I asked without hatred and great words.
  • major071
    major071 7 October 2013 13: 04 New
    16
    The article is custom-made and is aimed at inciting hatred in Russian-Ukrainian relations. The bonfire goes out and someone decided to throw firewood.
  • vorobey
    vorobey 7 October 2013 13: 05 New
    +5
    And us the army.

    Pleased with the comments of Ukrainian brothers. Guys will drag you after all. sorry a hundred ashamed to be sharing what is taught in the geyrop.
    1. gyl
      gyl 7 October 2013 18: 53 New
      +1
      Dear, anally preoccupied Slavic brother, in the geyrops they are twisted by mutual agreement, but the Caucasians are raping your Cossacks - or it doesn’t matter to you, who and how?
      1. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 7 October 2013 20: 20 New
        +2
        Well, son! Did your Poles help you? As the language is turned turned out to be called a Cossack. And if a Cossack Caucasian?
      2. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 7 October 2013 23: 11 New
        -2
        Quote: gyl
        anyhow who and how?


        yes ... Ukrainians everywhere rod
        1. gyl
          gyl 8 October 2013 04: 21 New
          -2
          There is such a thing, they are beautiful, but Russians, too, have a liking, too.
          1. IGS
            IGS 8 October 2013 06: 45 New
            -2
            How do you know that?
          2. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian 8 October 2013 07: 34 New
            -1
            Quote: I am a Russian
            yes ... Ukrainians everywhere rod


            Quote: gyl
            There is such, they are beautiful


            more precisely - they are available. The main road workers
            1. IGS
              IGS 8 October 2013 09: 38 New
              0
              I read it. But the question is different:
              Quote: IGS
              How do you know that?
              And not to you. smile
            2. gyl
              gyl 8 October 2013 14: 00 New
              +1
              Yes, to our regret, we live in post-Soviet countries in which the poverty of a working person is guaranteed, this is the know-how of scoops - gigantic salary taxes that make a worker poor. That’s where our delegation came from China - they say that they completely disregard Ukrainians and Russian and emphasized attentive to the Poles - the Chinese do not like countries producing poverty.
              1. I am a Russian
                I am a Russian 8 October 2013 14: 16 New
                -4
                Quote: gyl
                the Chinese do not like countries producing poverty.


                Ukraine - yes ... poverty is booming.
      3. vorobey
        vorobey 8 October 2013 09: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: gyl
        in geyrops are rolled by mutual agreement


        So I see that you climb with such persistence.

        Quote: gyl
        you have Cossacks raped Caucasians


        Etozh who did you give a damn about that. I look over there, on the contrary, they are running towards you, and even explode on the way to the checkpoint at the same time.
  • wolf1945
    wolf1945 7 October 2013 13: 05 New
    21
    Be that as it may, Sevastopol is a city of Russian military glory and ALWAYS will be to them! soldier
    1. avg
      avg 7 October 2013 16: 54 New
      0
      Be that as it may, Sevastopol is a city of Russian military glory and ALWAYS will be to them!

      And we still sing:
      The legendary Sevastopol,
      Unapproachable for ho..ov,
      Sevastopol, Sevastopol -
      Pride of Russian sailors!
    2. gyl
      gyl 7 October 2013 18: 56 New
      -11
      from childhood, interested in the facts of glory associated with Sevastopol - what is remarkable in the shameful surrender of the fortress to the most powerful enemies?
      1. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 7 October 2013 20: 29 New
        +1
        Is Britain, France not the most powerful enemies? And who is stronger? Honduras? Or Antarctica! And Sevastopol was not handed over, but left, no one has waited for the keys to the city in the entire history of the city. And not a fortress, but a city. Sevastopol never erected walls, and it can only be called a fortress allegorically - for heroism that is higher than any walls. But do not you dishonor your grandfather with the "shameful task" that he defended for Sevastopol? or your grandfather stormed it with the Nazis?
        1. gyl
          gyl 8 October 2013 04: 41 New
          -1
          In the Crimean War, for example, the heroes from Sevastopol went for a walk, and the allies, thousands of miles from their countries, limited by contingent, accidentally jumped in and occupied, and even then exchanged it for Kars. And the Rassian kings were formidable, for a couple of years before the Sevastopol pogrom, Nikolashka promised to send doctors in uniform to Paris. As for the shameful surrender in 1942, it is a well-known fact that the most violent patriots, having failed to organize defense, jumped out of the hero city, leaving tens of thousands of rank and file commanders to their own devices, and went to the effective manager to complain about Manstein. So the treacherously abandoned for another three days provided chaotic resistance, absolutely without coordination, ammunition and hope. Even the Germans took Sevastopol in 1918, well, there without special excesses, or rather they stopped the massacre of the creative class, or there’s nothing special to tell .A, they defended the Germans didn’t compare the town in 1944 with scoops, and left beautifully, taking civilians and prisoners of war with them, except that a detachment of cover of several hundred warriors was captured, but they were not able to remove them from the stones in a storm. In general, be proud, I do not mind ...
          1. IGS
            IGS 8 October 2013 06: 54 New
            +1
            You know ... if for you, s..a, sorry the moderator, brought them here
            abandoned for another three days provided chaotic resistance, absolutely without coordination, ammunition and hope
            not heroes ... who fought for more than a month. Who are you? Do you think you'll live forever, or do you think you did, God forgive, people forget? No, honey, it doesn’t happen like that.
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            2. gyl
              gyl 9 October 2013 22: 40 New
              +1
              Quote: IGS
              You know ... if for you, s..a, sorry the moderator, brought them here

              My dear, read books at your leisure, but go to Sevastopol, quietly wait at the memorial abandoned by your sailors, enlightenment in a wild little head will come, although it is unlikely that the letter is not fashionable ...
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 7 October 2013 20: 45 New
        +5
        Quote: gyl
        from childhood, interested in the facts of glory associated with Sevastopol - what is remarkable in the shameful surrender of the fortress to the most powerful enemies?

        Apparently, you have not yet left childhood. It is because of people like you and those who argue, like you, that Ukraine is not worthy of this city.
    3. morpex
      morpex 7 October 2013 20: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Wolf1945
      Be that as it may, Sevastopol is a city of Russian military glory and ALWAYS will be to them!

      I am always jarred and enraged when they say so ... But what about those dead Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakhs, Armenians, Georgians and other "non-Russians" who died for the City in all the wars that were fought there? What the hell ...? I have a relative from Volyn, my grandfather’s brother, according to your logic, the “Bandera” lies on Sapun Mountain in the grave, he’s an ukroid, how is it fashionable to call here, how to deal with him?
  • darksoul
    darksoul 7 October 2013 13: 11 New
    +5
    Quote: Wolf1945
    city ​​of Russian military glory


    That's it, it’s unsettling to let them fly away and they can transfer the capital ... the most lions
  • vadson
    vadson 7 October 2013 13: 14 New
    13
    MDA for Ukraine along the armored personnel carrier and a tug is a strategic weapon that changes the balance of power in the region
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 7 October 2013 13: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: vadson
      MDA for Ukraine along the armored personnel carrier and a tug is a strategic weapon that changes the balance of power in the region

      What if the tug is a vertical take-off, but the armored personnel carrier is equipped with RSMD? Anything can happen...
    2. Alexander I
      Alexander I 7 October 2013 13: 44 New
      +5
      In the Baltic states, for example, this fundamentally changes the whole balance of power!
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 7 October 2013 14: 24 New
      +6
      Quote: vadson
      armored personnel carrier and tug is a strategic weapon that changes the balance of power in the region

      Of course, especially the tug. After all, he may try to push the tightly welded ships of the Navy from the piers laughing
      1. vadson
        vadson 7 October 2013 21: 22 New
        0
        Yeah, and a mona beter on the Maidan, for example, come, can we really have a healthy grain in their claims? :-)
  • ptica
    ptica 7 October 2013 13: 24 New
    +7
    I read the text of the agreement on the Black Sea Fleet. There is a phrase on the extension of two agreements (on the rules of deployment and on the division of the fleet) and the payment procedure (something about Naftogaz). Neither in the contract itself, nor in the original contracts of the class-to-class modernization rules, etc. did not see. Ukrainian side really wanted to create a separate agreement on the procedure for modernization, but did not receive consent to this. I think this is all the fantasy of journalists.
  • Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 7 October 2013 13: 29 New
    +6
    we recently visited a friend in the country (barbecue and all that). and his dog began to throw at the guests, even one girl grabbed one leg. I ask: "what is it with him, like was a cute dog?" and a friend says: "Well, I’ve been here infrequently, I’ve seen for a long time .... Julia didn’t tumble, so he suffered it !!!"
  • nekromonger
    nekromonger 7 October 2013 13: 31 New
    +7
    a forklift filed a protest note stop
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 7 October 2013 13: 31 New
    +4
    How disgusting and bitter to observe all this.sadangry
  • pensioner
    pensioner 7 October 2013 13: 35 New
    +4
    Kiev was indignant
    And what did it give him?what
    1. mamba
      mamba 7 October 2013 14: 05 New
      +5
      Quote: retired
      And what did it give him?

      Self-affirmed. There are apparently no other ways.
    2. gyl
      gyl 7 October 2013 18: 59 New
      -5
      The result of the diplomatic correspondence - tugboats are withdrawn, but re-opened as if they arrived for repair. Scout naval commanders, mimic ...
  • saz69rus
    saz69rus 7 October 2013 13: 36 New
    +6
    Crimea was, is and will be Russian.
    1. gyl
      gyl 8 October 2013 04: 47 New
      0
      I mean, Chechen? Bo Russia pays tribute to Chechnya. No, I don’t think - the Crimea was purely Donetsk, that’s all, inter-power is over, the Donetsk people are already understanding the Crimeans, they don’t have time to bury Crimean towns.
  • Echo
    Echo 7 October 2013 13: 37 New
    +9
    Quote: alexneg
    Sevastopol can automatically transfer to the jurisdiction of Russia and Ukraine will no longer be able to influence this

    Sevastopol alone is not enough. It is necessary to end with ukromarazm throughout the territory of Little Russia, New Russia and the Crimea.

    Ukraine - it’s huts, wattle with pots, watermelon and sunflowers in the garden, vodka and dumplings. And Sevastopol, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Kryvyi Rih, Donetsk, Lugansk, Cherkasy and Kiev are RUSSIA! If someone does not agree - blame for Zbruch. They are waiting for you there. With the orchestra.
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      1. Simon
        Simon 7 October 2013 22: 14 New
        +1
        Enter the geyropu, you can’t get off the bucket yourself. Already there are such ones, the Balts are called, with their micro-armies and micro-fleet. The same thing awaits you.
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 7 October 2013 19: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: Echo
      And Sevastopol, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Kryvyi Rih, Donetsk, Lugansk, Cherkasy and Kiev - It's Russia! If someone does not agree - blame for Zbruch. They are waiting for you there. With the orchestra.

      Born and raised in Kiev, it turns out to be RUSSIA! wassat Here it is! You kindly seem to have a healthier lifestyle, you need to take vitamins, do not write such nonsense. And for no Zbruch, for example, I’m not going to blame), even for the sake of the orchestra. Me and in the capital of Ukraine - Kiev, not bad)
  • slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 7 October 2013 13: 42 New
    +6
    Oh, the time will come when Ukraine will crawl on its knees to Russia ... There is a time for everything !!!
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 7 October 2013 19: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: slavik_gross
      Oh, the time will come when Ukraine will crawl on its knees to Russia ... There is a time for everything !!!

      But I’m dreaming that I’ll find bucks on the street, and I’ll live ....
      1. vadson
        vadson 7 October 2013 21: 26 New
        0
        where in Ukraine millen bucks?
        sorry for the humor, could not resist :-)
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 7 October 2013 21: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: vadson
          where in Ukraine millen bucks?
          sorry for the humor, could not resist :-)

          So I say: "I dream."
          P.S. Fun for the sake of money in Ukraine:
          “According to Ukraine’s switchgear, only in 1996-1997, under the guise of paying for Russian natural gas, UESU instead of direct settlements with Gazprom transferred 553 million US dollars, 57 million British pounds sterling, 11 million German marks to United Energy International Limited , 220 million French francs, ”Obihod told the publication. - UESU also unreasonably transferred another 348 million US dollars, 44 million British pounds sterling, 8 million German marks for Russian natural gas abroad. The money settled on the accounts of Corlan Enterprises Limited. " According to Obikhod, only for this short period on Tymoshenko-controlled accounts was 1 billion, "From-UA" reports.

          Moreover, in the income statements for 2005-2010. she is a bum living current on zp (not a little truth):
          So in the CEC (2008), Yulia Tymoshenko handed over a declaration in which only one figure was declared - the salary of the head of government in the amount of 386 thousand 170 hryvnias 42 kopecks. That is, the Ukrainian prime minister receives about 32 thousand monthly.
          The remaining sections of the prime minister in the declaration are empty - she has neither an apartment, nor a car, nor a bank account.

          A woman who goes to work or not daily in a new outfit (Yulia Tymoshenko gives preference to clothes and accessories from the leading trading house Louis Vuitton, to which she treats with special trepidation. The handbag of this company costs an average of $ 2-3 thousand, shoes and dresses - $ 1.5-5 thousand and above) and lives in a luxurious house on a dam (in the Sribnaya Zatoka a couple like the Rublevka current in Kiev), for some reason he thinks it is better to feed people with legends, that the whole family looks like money on her dress, and she lives in a rented house either from friends, or from members of the same party, or, again, bought as a family together.

          So you see, SEW is generally homeless, not a car or a living space ...
          1. vadson
            vadson 7 October 2013 23: 21 New
            +1
            well, how to say, they provided her with housing
    2. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 7 October 2013 23: 19 New
      -3
      the outskirts will not creep
      Quote: slavik_gross
      Oh, the time will come when Ukraine crawls on its knees to Russia
    3. IGS
      IGS 8 October 2013 07: 11 New
      +1
      Be realistic, Ukraine will not creep, at the philistine level, many are for Russia, but their minority is already. They were brainwashed well that corruption and the dominance of thieves in Russia, think about it, Ukrainians say this about us, laughter. Even this is not the point, why Europe Ukraine with all its problems, material, social, national? To make prosperous and united? Well, well .. If she joins, then only some part of her, but God forbid such a split to her.
  • Andrey Skokovsky
    Andrey Skokovsky 7 October 2013 13: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    I read this article recently on a mail, an ordinary Natsik pours slop. Nothing new.

    also the impression that some kind of wrote,
    this is generally enchanting:
    "On September 11, Moscow tried ... to quietly lead another caravan of ships through the sea gate of Ukraine ... the tug boat Shakhtar hastened to tow the Sevastopol Bay ... tug SB-4 and the diving vessel BM-86."
  • Pancreas
    Pancreas 7 October 2013 13: 52 New
    +7
    It is a pity that the lands for which Russia fought went to Ukraine just like that. So much has been invested in Crimea ... Now, everything has been actively privatized by the community ...
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 7 October 2013 19: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Pancreas
      It is a pity that the lands for which Russia fought went to Ukraine just like that. So much has been invested in Crimea ... Now, everything has been actively privatized by the community ...

      You probably didn’t see the palaces of your Russian oligarchs on the South Coast (or are you talking about them?)) It’s visible there ... invested, so invested ... they should be taken from them ... they’re Svidomo ...
  • HAM
    HAM 7 October 2013 13: 54 New
    +2
    It's all about GAS — you give us 200 gas, and we close our eyes: in my opinion, this is the logic in Kiev.
    1. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 8 October 2013 08: 52 New
      +1
      Honestly, the topic of gas has already gotten. Mostly Gazprom shareholders are from him, for example, Miller, for example, something in the form of taxes settles into the budget. And what about the other residents of the Russian Federation? The donut hole, and even nature damage is irreparable. So it turns out that the gas is only partially Russian. And is it worth it, because of this, to break the spears. First, we need to put everything in our place, otherwise we work as the State Department ordered and we believe that everything is in openwork. We can’t put submarines on our fleets. Alrosa does not come out of repair.
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 7 October 2013 14: 04 New
    +7
    politicians are such politicians ... sorry, the site does not allow you to call them the word that they deserve
  • SolomonSS
    SolomonSS 7 October 2013 14: 15 New
    +9
    I don’t understand, okay, politicians share UKRAINE, RUSSIA. And we are in the spirit of one people, for what purpose to share !? Brothers in blood and spirit are Ukrainians, Belarusians, Russians. We need to live together, because together, we are power!
  • shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 7 October 2013 14: 15 New
    +6
    But Ukraine is generally aware that it claims to Crimea and Turkey. If there is no presence of the Russian fleet, Turkey will select Crimea. Such an agreement was signed after the war with the Turks.
    1. Akim
      Akim 7 October 2013 14: 54 New
      -4
      Quote: shtanko.49
      And Ukraine in general is aware that in the Crimea and Turkey pretend

      Does Turkey know?
      1. Troy
        Troy 7 October 2013 16: 10 New
        +8
        But Turkey is just in the know. And also to you there are claims to the territory from Romania, Hungary and Poland.
        1. Akim
          Akim 7 October 2013 16: 25 New
          -1
          Quote: Troy
          And also to you there are claims to the territory from Romania, Hungary and Poland.

          From whom? From the same as you members of the forum? Or from petty politicians who want to raise their ratings?
          1. shasherin_pavel
            shasherin_pavel 7 October 2013 20: 40 New
            -1
            The selection of such territories by a country that does not become capable of protecting them is not forgiven even after centuries. And what are you going to protect your territory if developing countries refuse from the military equipment purchased from Ukraine, since you are trying to discard used vehicles and rusty armored vehicles. So wait your Khrushchev 2015 can sell not only Russian territories, but also Ukrainian.
            1. Akim
              Akim 7 October 2013 20: 50 New
              -1
              Quote: shasherin_pavel
              since you are trying to rust them used cars and armored personnel carriers rusty

              Did you see them or documents? What do you talk with your tongue? You need to include your thinker, and not use templates.
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 7 October 2013 16: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: Akim
        Does Turkey know?
        And why would she otherwise SUCH throw money into the Majlis? Nowhere to go, extra finance?
      3. Genry
        Genry 7 October 2013 17: 22 New
        +2
        The top of the Crimean Majlis is ethnic Turks.
        And the Crimean caliphate has already been openly announced.
        Organized and funded by Turkey.
        1. Akim
          Akim 7 October 2013 17: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Genry
          And the Crimean caliphate has already been openly announced.

          The caliphate is funded by other Arab states through Lebanon, but not Turkey.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 7 October 2013 18: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            The caliphate is funded by other Arab states through Lebanon, but not Turkey.
            And the Majlis is sponsored by Turkey. And Mustafa Dzhemilev - in fact, an ethnic Turk from the Baltic. In his youth, received a sentence for rape and ... became a political dissident
            1. Akim
              Akim 7 October 2013 18: 57 New
              0
              Quote: Misantrop
              And the Majlis sponsors Turkey

              Majlis - yes. Therefore, they are not friends with each other. It is profitable for us.
              1. shasherin_pavel
                shasherin_pavel 7 October 2013 20: 44 New
                0
                They are not friends among themselves until they have divided Ukrainian territory. But these are two contenders for a tidbit.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 7 October 2013 20: 51 New
                  0
                  Quote: shasherin_pavel
                  They are not friends among themselves until they have divided Ukrainian territory.

                  Oh, how scary! belay
                  1. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 8 October 2013 00: 02 New
                    0
                    Quote: Akim

                    Oh, how scary! belay
                    Of course, not scary. Until the thunder struck ...
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 8 October 2013 05: 54 New
                      0
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      Of course, not scary. Until the thunder struck ...

                      The Caliphate has a goal to take everything. For less they do not agree. And given the fact that the Arabs do not get along with each other more than with Christians, this can be played on. It’s forbidden and dispersed - then it’s for sure that in your Crimea there will be manifestations of extremism.
                      1. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 8 October 2013 10: 34 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Akim
                        And given the fact that the Arabs do not get along with each other more than with Christians, this can be played on.
                        I am amazed, because, it seems, not a child. You can play it? Awesome toys - Iraq, Libya, now - Syria and in the future - Iran. And the United States with Israel as players in this sandbox. Is there a firm belief that for these lascivious tomboys Ukraine is just a game friend, and not just another Easter cake? Or are there serious arguments behind you that can constrain the dispersed players? And what, do not tell? UN? So they wipe this piece of paper ... request And, perhaps, the latest AUGs of Ukrainian production are already leaving the shipyards of Nikolaev? lol
                      2. Akim
                        Akim 8 October 2013 10: 52 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        Awesome toys - Iraq, Libya, now - Syria and in the future - Iran

                        No, let's transfer them to a point outside the law, then we really get terrorists on the territory. As long as they are legal, it is easier to fight them. They will not go anywhere. They will become radicals, they will secretly hold meetings and you’ll know what the hell they are talking about. There is no official party in Ukraine.
                        In Russia, Ab Ut Tahrir is prohibited. So what helped? Many times more mercenaries or followers of radical Islam are now in Syria from there. This is not an option. Yes, you have to play with them. but don't flirt. It is necessary to replay the enemy. For example. Radio game - no one calls a toy.
                      3. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 8 October 2013 12: 42 New
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        No, let's transfer them to a point outside the law, then we really get terrorists on the territory. As long as they are legal, it is easier to fight them. They will not go anywhere.
                        Yesterday in Simferopol, right in the center of the city, these Tahrir protesters held a rally. It is completely legal and legal. Learned the authorities what's next? Now only Al Qaeda has to legalize, maybe they will also find out. And then you can wait for the democratic bombers, since all the locations are known ...
                        Quote: Akim
                        They will become radicals, they will secretly hold meetings and you’ll know what the hell they are talking about.
                        And the FUCK in Ukraine SBU of such a size, if the news from the radicals can be found ONLY at rallies?
  • vkrav
    vkrav 7 October 2013 23: 57 New
    0
    Quote: shtanko.49
    . Such an agreement was signed after the war with the Turks.

    According to the Kuchuk-Kainardzhi peace treaty, Crimea cannot belong to third parties --- only Russia or Turkey ... But with nuclear disarmament of Ukraine, the United States and Russia guaranteed its territorial integrity ...
  • wulf66
    wulf66 7 October 2013 14: 16 New
    +8
    Ukrainian government behaves ugly irresponsibly !!! Themselves in which case the RUSSIAN CRIMEA, from the Turks and other NATO, will not be able to protect and the Black Sea Fleet is not allowed to prepare. Two tugboats and an armored personnel carrier caused trembling knees ... morally inadequate people.
  • gych
    gych 7 October 2013 14: 27 New
    -12
    Quote: alexneg
    Ukraine will play out, as it itself violates, and very strongly, the previously signed agreement. But in case of an unfriendly attitude of Ukraine towards Russia (joining an alliance with NATO), Sevastopol can automatically transfer to the jurisdiction of Russia and Ukraine will no longer be able to influence this. This is what the most “powerless” authorities fear most.

    IF UKRAINE ENTERS NATO, RUSSIAN SEAFARERS WILL LEAVE HOME BY TRAIN! WELL NOW WAITING FOR YOUR MINUSES (WEB SITE RUSSIAN) BUT ALLY IN UKRAINE PERSON LOST YOU
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 14: 38 New
      +4
      Quote: gych
      IF UKRAINE ENTERS NATO, RUSSIAN SEAFARERS WILL LEAVE HOME BY TRAIN!

      Bu ha ha, from a dreamer. You will sweat to wait for this day. tongue
    2. shtanko.49
      shtanko.49 7 October 2013 14: 56 New
      +7
      Why are you happy, but they forgot about the Tatars. Who the gentlemen will stay with, and whether it will remain a big question if Russia leaves the Crimea. And you have not grown to the minus.
    3. shark
      shark 7 October 2013 16: 05 New
      +4
      If Ukraine joins NATO, Ukrainian authorities in Crimea will go home to Lviv in zinc coffins
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      1. Corneli
        Corneli 7 October 2013 19: 26 New
        -1
        Quote: Troy
        Have you got out under the Icelandic flag? Where is ...... yellow?

        And in the ban? Or ho discuss about the colors of the Russian flag?
    5. slav4ikus
      slav4ikus 7 October 2013 16: 30 New
      -2
      such allies need to be driven by a filthy broom! he is a thief!
      1. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 8 October 2013 07: 27 New
        -2
        Quote: slav4ikus
        such allies need to be driven by a filthy broom! he is a thief!


        +

        these * wounded "allies" are so used to living on a freebie that they stomped everything that is possible on their outskirts, degraded so much that little by little they began to sell land to foreigners just to fill their pockets
    6. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 7 October 2013 20: 51 New
      -2
      Ally! And in what does this alliance express itself: "We are gas to you - you are in our eyes"? Oh, what passions: "Russia, I joined NATO!" "Why is this being done ?! Yesterday I crap, today I’ve entered the shit!"
    7. Simon
      Simon 7 October 2013 22: 29 New
      -3
      You, my friend, thought what you said? NATO will not accept Ukraine. Russia will not give, since it will not leave Sevastopol. NATO will not seek conflict with Russia, too much will be at stake, markets will be covered and without gas, all the more in Ukraine there is a collapse of industry, you will also need to be fed. They have already pierced with the Balts.
    8. komel
      komel 8 October 2013 01: 11 New
      0
      The TC is particularly interesting in the text of the association agreement between the European Union and Ukraine.
      DESIRING to achieve closer convergence of positions on bilateral, regional and international issues of mutual interest, taking into account the EU Common Foreign and Security Policy (CFSP), including the Joint Security and Defense Policy (SPBO)
      Article 4 Objectives of the political dialogue.
      Article 7 Foreign and security policies, Article 10 Conflict prevention, crisis management and military-technical cooperation.
    9. wulf66
      wulf66 12 October 2013 14: 35 New
      -2
      Did Russia add up ?! Well, you’re the only one ... Let’s drop everything, but remember the lesson of the RUSSIAN EMPEROR to the main Chechen Shamil: YOU WILL LOOK AT THE GLOBE. And your brains are a pity frankly - ek washed them ...
  • uncapital
    uncapital 7 October 2013 14: 36 New
    11
    The article is complete nonsense, the author of the problem is sucked from the finger. This topic does not even deserve attention. Another thing is that some forum users really forgot that, with all due respect to Russian weapons, traditions and everything that is connected with Crimea for Russia, Crimea is the territory of Ukraine !!! It is pleasant to read and realize it or not, but it is. Calls saying "We will recapture OUR Crimea" are just cheap declarations. History has no subjunctive mood. What right does Russia have to seize part of the territory of a neighboring state, where, by the way, the same Slavs live? let's live in peace drinks
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 7 October 2013 16: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: non-captain
      What right does Russia have to seize part of the territory of a neighboring state, where, by the way, the same Slavs live?
      Legally - and in fact it doesn’t. BUT, it has the FULL RIGHT to return its lands (together with the population) in the event of the complete collapse of the Ukrainian government and the collapse of the territory into warring enclaves
      1. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 7 October 2013 21: 02 New
        -1
        When the USSR returned Western Ukraine to them, Ukraine did not make claims to the RSFSR for the rights of Poland to this territory. Or he can hint to Poland that we will not object to the return of "Ukrainian Poland" - according to the Political Dictionary of 1928 - when the Ukrainians were the largest of the nat. minorities of Poland 19% of all nat. minorities, Belarusians - 6%. and this was 57% of the entire territory of Poland = 216 602 sq. km. km Or do you think they forgave us and forgot it? Although to us now what claims may be?
        1. Akim
          Akim 7 October 2013 21: 08 New
          0
          Quote: shasherin_pavel
          that we will not object to the return of "Ukrainian Poland"

          And Germany will demand from Poland its territory, which it got after the 45 year.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 7 October 2013 22: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            And Germany will demand from Poland its territory, which it got after the 45 year.

            How once the Swedes "Kemsky volost"? laughing
            1. Akim
              Akim 7 October 2013 22: 41 New
              -1
              Quote: Corsair
              How once the Swedes "Kemsky volost"?

              That's it. Why do some people like fantasy?
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 7 October 2013 23: 10 New
                -2
                Quote: Akim
                That's it. Why do some people like fantasy?

                "Fantasy", this is somewhat from another "opera" (not a browser laughing ).
                1. Akim
                  Akim 7 October 2013 23: 22 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Corsair
                  "Fantasy", this is a bit from another "opera"

                  Now, they do not communicate except in their own homeland, but are sure that they know everything. Chauvinism never brought to good. If only we could talk to the Poles. Or because of contempt for the nation disdain. They think that modern Russia will save everyone. Only this is not holy Russia for a long time and not an Orthodox empire. This is as vile as Ukraine is.
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 7 October 2013 23: 37 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Akim
                    This is as vile as Ukraine is.

                    Be careful in the definitions ...
                    Keep quiet about Russia and, we can talk about the “vileness of the Ukrainian authorities” (namely AUTHORITIES, not the people).
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 7 October 2013 23: 45 New
                      0
                      Quote: Corsair
                      Keep quiet about Russia and, we can talk about "the vileness of the Ukrainian authorities" (namely AUTHORITIES, not the people)

                      Well, for starters, do not confuse the concept of "country" and "state." And he will talk about those or those vile things in the form of authorities, so nothing will change. Neither you nor I will disclose anything new about them to each other.
                      1. Corsair
                        Corsair 7 October 2013 23: 59 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Akim
                        Well, for starters, do not confuse the concept of "country" and "state."

                        The concepts of “state” and “country” should be divided in the “clinical” case with Ukraine.

                        What the STATE does in the country of Russia, with one measure or another of approval or denial, in general finds a positive response within the country, recently as well abroad (thanks to a number of laws adopted by the Russian Federation, its efforts to maintain peace and initiatives to bring the world economy out of crisis)
                      2. Corsair
                        Corsair 8 October 2013 13: 10 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Corsair
                        The concepts of “state” and “country” should be divided in the “clinical” case with Ukraine.

                        And here are the "minus" people pulled themselves up!
                        Do you want a Panov, to argue their actions ???
                      3. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 8 October 2013 13: 22 New
                        0
                        Quote: Corsair
                        to argue their actions ???
                        Now they will tell you about a cow crowing on a red rag laughing
                      4. Corsair
                        Corsair 8 October 2013 13: 35 New
                        0
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        Now they will tell you about a cow crowing on a red rag

                        Greetings! Do you know ... I won’t be surprised request laughing
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 7 October 2013 14: 47 New
    +5
    Quote: Bronis
    Patriotic, but legally unfounded. There are no legal grounds for such a transition. Crimea as an autonomy is part of Ukraine. Based on national legislation, a referendum will be needed. But in practice, all this is quite complicated and unrealistic. And there can be no talk of an automatic transfer to the "jurisdiction" of Russia in the event of joining NATO.

    In the world, there is not and will not be anything permanent! The south-east of Ukraine was and remains a territory that was "assigned" to Ukraine in violation of the current Constitution of the USSR. Subsequently, the Bialowieza Agreement in Article 1 recorded - The High Contracting Parties form the Commonwealth of Independent States ”(CIS). Where is the Commonwealth, or am I misunderstood the derivative root of this word?
    Further, on December 5, Kravchuk announced that Ukraine would denounce the 1922 agreement on the creation of the USSR, i.e. refuses the agreement "On the formation of the USSR". They also denounced the flag in their hands, the cancellation of the Treaty actually returns the parties to the framework of the existence of the state before its signing! No agreement - no Khrushchev transfer of the Crimea!
    The second long-standing issue is the territories of Donbass and the southern regions to the Crimea, which were not part of Ukraine, until their occupation by the Germans in the 1918 year — virtually the entire left bank, from Kharkov to Kherson. This happened, by agreement of the Germans and the Ukrainian government, which hoped to tear these lands from Russia. Defended, these territories are the Red Army of Donbass, and in the same 1919 year the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic was formed on this territory. It was liquidated on February 17 of the 1919 of the year when the decision of the RSFSR Defense Council "On the Elimination of the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Soviet Republic" was adopted. Note the RSFSR - for this is its territory and jurisprudence.

    In general, for the Ukrainian elite, which considers itself a political elite, Crimea is a Trojan horse of Russia. They understand this well, and therefore they are jerking, warming up the Majlis and nationalists in every possible way, because they have no other tool to influence the Russian mood.

    I would undoubtedly receive a Russian passport, remaining to live on the historical territory of Russia and I think I'm not the last. Some refer to the laws of Ukraine on the impossibility of having dual citizenship, but then why practically all deputies of the Rada and senior officials in the state have dual and triple citizenship? Or for the elite and cattle different standards?
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 7 October 2013 15: 07 New
    +6
    Objectively speaking, for voters in the south-east of Ukraine, Yanukovych himself and his team also turned out to be the Trojan horse of nationalists and the West!
  • Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 7 October 2013 15: 37 New
    +1
    Russia is rearming the Black Sea Fleetviolating agreements with Ukraine

    Another example of violation of bilateral agreements on the Black Sea Fleet was the illegal entry into Ukraine of a new vessel of the Black Sea Fleet. At the end of April from Novorossiysk to Sevastopol came the raid tug of the new generation RB-389.

    Subsequently, it turned out that the Russian side prepared the operation in advance to transfer the new watercraft to the main base of the Black Sea Fleet, bypassing the basic agreements on the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, in advance: even in Novorossiysk, the inscription “Sevastopol” was printed as a port of registry. (WOW, WHAT SPECIAL OPERATION!)

    quietly lead through the sea gate of Ukraine another caravan of ships of the Black Sea Fleet. On this day, the rescue tug Shakhtar hastened to tow two more auxiliary Black Sea Fleet auxiliary boats in tow to the Sevastopol Naval Base - rescue tug SB-4 and diving vessel BM-86. Both towed vessels are assigned to Novorossiysk.

    Frigates of the Navy of the People's Liberation Army of China (Navy PLA) on a visit to about. Malta, Mediterranean Sea, 2013 year
  • Dmitry Zurn
    Dmitry Zurn 7 October 2013 15: 53 New
    +4
    Legally, Sevastopol was a city of Union subordination, like Moscow and Leningrad. Formally, it was not transferred to the Ukrainian SSR along with the Crimea.
  • pahom54
    pahom54 7 October 2013 16: 16 New
    +5
    The controversy on the site is similar to the controversy of our politicians. Well, just like in a kindergarten !!!
    The ambitions of Ukrainian politicians come down to the fact that I want to receive prizes ... Soon, God forbid, a new or new carrier from Novorossiysk will be delivered - there will also be hype ...
    I understand this: the Russian fleet rents some territory (water area), pays for it, does not violate the environment - well, don’t bother to get into its internal affairs.
    And as for the so-called lease, one can also say: well, cast aside children's ambitions and think sensibly - well, after all, Crimea in general and Sevastopol in particular found itself in the jurisdiction of Ukraine not so much because of Khrushchev’s whim, and specifically - when drunk during the partition of the USSR. EBN, consider, sold Crimea to Ukraine for a bottle.
    If someone thinks Crimea is not Russian, I’ll ask a question: who conquered it in due time? Is it not Peter, and then Catherine? And if you put the conquest of Crimea in Russia, so I have never heard that Ukraine decided to correct the historical "misunderstanding" and give Crimea to the same Turkey ...
    It’s clear when politicians squabble and come up with reasons to at least infringe on the other side, but from Ukraine, in this case, claims to Russia are simply ridiculous.
    Guys, let's not bark at least on these pages, leave it to politicians ...
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 7 October 2013 16: 17 New
    +2
    Crimea, Sevastopol is Russian land and we should not report to anyone. As many as we want, we will place as many ships there. Who does not like it - whine silently aside. And then to ourselves, or even return Crimea and Sevastopol to Russia.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 7 October 2013 19: 34 New
      -2
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      Crimea, Sevastopol is Russian land and we should not report to anyone.

      You must also report whether you like it or not.
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      As many as we want, we will place as many ships there.

      More than fit into the bay or is in the Russian Federation Navy do not place)
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      Who doesn't like it - silently whinese aside.

      Silently whining it how? Teach ...
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      otherwise we will return Crimea and Sevastopol to Russia.

      If you read all those promises about “taking” Crimea and the desire of the indigenous Crimeans to enter the Russian Federation, which I read here today, it is strange that Crimea and Sevastopol are Ukrainian. But they are Ukrainian, it is a fact, and what you write is only your subjective opinion and no more.
      1. PKTRL
        PKTRL 7 October 2013 21: 39 New
        0
        Two in history!
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 7 October 2013 22: 06 New
          -4
          Quote: PCTRL
          Two in history!

          And to whom did you unsubscribe it?) To which post is this comment?
          P.S. The new twinko-uchetka, the current of the sediment is registered, to create extras?
  • bddrus
    bddrus 7 October 2013 17: 07 New
    +4
    and machines can not be replaced with new ones? maybe recruits can not be sent instead of demobilized?
  • nod739
    nod739 7 October 2013 17: 13 New
    +4
    Quote: Bronis
    But in practice, all this is quite complicated and unrealistic.


    if in 1985, for example, you were told that the Baltic states will soon be in NATO, and Ukraine as a separate state
    you would not even say unrealistic, and what type: you would be a citizen to a psychiatrist ....
    1. Akim
      Akim 7 October 2013 17: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: nod739
      if in 1985, for example, you were told that the Baltic states will soon be in NATO, and Ukraine as a separate state

      And also. that Georgia will fight with Russia.
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 7 October 2013 19: 47 New
        0
        Georgia did not fight with Russia, they just fools obeyed America, attacked the Russian military contingent in South Ossetia. And Russia, so that everyone, around the world, would understand that it was IMPOSSIBLE to offend the Russian army, even abroad, against Georgia with the sole purpose of giving an indicative lesson. And then withdrew its troops from near Tbilisi, but left, in spite of Georgia, in South Ossetia.
        1. Akim
          Akim 7 October 2013 20: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Алексей_К
          give a demonstration lesson. And then withdrew its troops from near Tbilisi,

          There's a murky story than they tell you. But essentially it was a Russian-Georgian conflict.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 7 October 2013 22: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            There's a murky story than they tell you. But essentially it was a Russian-Georgian conflict.

            Dig deeper: ACTUALLY Russian-American ...
  • Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 7 October 2013 17: 27 New
    +4
    Kiev was indignant and demanded that the illegal caravan leave Ukrainian territorial waters

    laughing The dog barks and the caravan moves on.
  • abc_alex
    abc_alex 7 October 2013 17: 29 New
    +2
    I wonder how long this ukrohemorroy will last with our fleet? It is clear that Ukraine will never leave the Black Sea Championships of the Russian Federation alone. Why give her such a trump card? I understand, it’s expensive, I understand it’s difficult, but if Russia wants to have a fleet in the Black Sea, if it wants to really use it in the region, then it is necessary to completely withdraw the fleet from Sevastopol. To Novorossiysk. Otherwise, we will never get rid of all the restrictions and conditions that will always be confined to "and give me money, eh?" ...
  • nod739
    nod739 7 October 2013 17: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    Crimea, Sevastopol is Russian land and we should not report to anyone. As many as we want, we will place as many ships there. Who does not like it - whine silently aside. And then to ourselves, or even return Crimea and Sevastopol to Russia.


    Yes, a lot of blood was shed for the Crimea and Sevastopol. somehow it just turns out, they won back from the Turks, and the third state, Ukraine, has jurisdiction over them.

    but scream that As many as we want, we will place as many ships there. not true
    The base and fleet are in accordance with the agreement between the two countries. point- everything is governed by this contract.

    and if we return it, we need to work on holding a referendum in the future, the outcome of which will suit the Russian Federation ... well, or something like that
  • Ash
    Ash 7 October 2013 17: 43 New
    0
    Fucking Khrushchev
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 7 October 2013 19: 30 New
      -2
      This is not Khrushchev to blame, this drunk Yeltsin is to blame. Khrushchev gave the Odessa region and Crimea not to the state of Ukraine, but to the republic. In tsarist Russia and the republic was not like that. And if the agreement says something about the borders, then we can talk about the borders within which Ukraine became part of tsarist Russia. Just lawyers have not yet finished, or our rulers do not want to do this. Fucking, unfortunately, either lived or live in Russia!
      1. Akim
        Akim 7 October 2013 19: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Khrushchev gave the Odessa region and Crimea not to the state of Ukraine, but to the republic.

        I’m already used to the fairy tale about the present by Crimea Khrushchem, but about the Odessa region this is something new.
    2. morpex
      morpex 7 October 2013 21: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Ash
      Fucking Khrushchev

      On February 19 of 1954, a decree was issued on the transfer of the Crimean region to Ukraine. Today, many believe that Khrushchev on behalf of Russia made a royal gift to Ukraine. Nevertheless, the decree was signed by the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR Voroshilov, and Khrushchev’s signature in the documents relating to the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine is not at all.
      This is true, for your information ... In general, ask why Crimea was transferred to Ukraine at one time. There is only an economic background. And no politics.
  • Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 7 October 2013 17: 47 New
    +4
    But in general it’s time to slam this Zionist project to divide our people and country into Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians. You can start with Sevastopol.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 7 October 2013 19: 39 New
      -1
      In fact, before the Russo-Turkish wars of the 17 and 18 centuries, Ukraine was independent, but in a slave state among the Turks (the Ottoman Empire).
  • nikkon09
    nikkon09 7 October 2013 18: 09 New
    +1
    Sorry, I didn’t just want to say that Russia has its own interests and it pleases that politicians finally understood that, in addition to friends who are worse than enemies, the country has certain interests and ambitions. By the way, pay attention to the Baltic states, Ukraine and the like. how much dirt has poured out our country? And ours still remain true to the old oath. Well, here is the result when the friends turned away, we somehow have to take care of ourselves, which we do ...
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    1. Akim
      Akim 7 October 2013 19: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Алексей_К
      We have no time to fight with NATO. Or maybe we’ll sign a Ribentrop agreement and divide you up, so buy petroleum jelly while it's cheap!

      Do you have problems with sex? It’s sad. sad
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 7 October 2013 19: 36 New
    +1
    Sevastopol was and will be Russian .. and not just namely the base of the Navy of the Navy and the Navy and the resort will not allow the resort to turn it into a beach museum (and already bases and airfields are overgrown with grass to the delight of some ..)