Media: Russia is rearming the Black Sea Fleet, violating agreements with Ukraine

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Moscow decides in its own way the issues of modernization of the Black Sea fleetnot paying attention to the position of Kiev and violating the basic Ukrainian-Russian agreements on the naval base, including the principle of "type on type, class on class."

Thus, in mid-February, the Azov landing ship, in violation of laws and procedures, brought the BTR-2013AM from Novorossiysk to Sevastopol, the latest modification of the BTR-82 armored base carrier for the Russian Armed Forces. In Ukraine, the new vehicle spent about a week aboard the landing ship and only 80 February, a few hours before visiting the Marines military town in Cossack Bay, the new Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, was taken to the location of the Black Sea Fleet 20 brigade.

At the official level, the command of the Russian Black Sea Fleet admitted the illegal import of armored vehicles into the territory of Ukraine only in April. Through the naval press service, it was stated that "the new BTR-82AM armored personnel carrier, which is to replace the BTR-80, which is in service with the Russian army, is being tested at the Marine Corps in Sevastopol", and that "the main difference between the new model BTR- 82AM from its predecessor is an automatic artillery installation caliber 30-mm, greatly enhancing the firepower of the machine. "

According to ZN.UA, the plans of the Russian military in the coming years include the receipt of this particular type of military equipment for the armament of the marine unit of the Russian Black Sea Fleet based in Ukraine.

Another example of violation of bilateral agreements on the Black Sea Fleet was the illegal entry into Ukraine of a new vessel of the Black Sea Fleet. At the end of April, a new-generation raid tug RB-389 came from Novorossiysk to Sevastopol. Officially declared purpose of arrival - for repairs.

However, having stood for a short time at the berth, the new equipment of the auxiliary fleet of the Black Sea Fleet set to work, being actively involved in towing Russian warships and ships in the water area of ​​Sevastopol. Already, 7 in May of the RB-389 was involved in the re-mooring of the ship's personnel to the parade in preparation for the celebration of the 230 anniversary of the founding of the Black Sea Fleet.

Later it turned out that the operation to move the new vessel to the main base of the Black Sea Fleet, bypassing the basic agreements on the Russian Black Sea Fleet, was prepared by the Russian side in advance: the inscription “Sevastopol” was printed as a port of registry in Novorossiysk. Now the border intruder is part of the squadron of vessels providing the auxiliary fleet of the Black Sea Fleet and does not intend to leave the Ukrainian territorial waters.

On September 11, Moscow tried, without any permission for that, to pass unnoticed through the sea gates of Ukraine another convoy of Black Sea Fleet vessels. On this day, the rescue tug Shakhtar hurried to tow two more auxiliary vessels of the Black Sea Fleet in tow to the Sevastopol naval base - the rescue tug SB-4 and the diving vessel VM-86. Both towed vessels are attributed to Novorossiysk.

Kiev was indignant and demanded that the illegal caravan leave the Ukrainian territorial waters and wait for the outcome of the situation outside the maritime borders of Ukraine. Only after the agreement of the problem issue by the foreign affairs agencies of the two countries, September 14, the rescue tug SB-4 and the VM-86 diving vessel, already legally, went to Sevastopol for repairs. But after stories with the tugboat RB-389, it is possible that the SB-4 and BM-86 will remain on permanent residence in the bays of Sevastopol.

21 April 2010, the Presidents of Ukraine and Russia Yanukovich and Dmitry Medvedev signed an agreement to extend the stay of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine to 2042 and link the rent for it to the price of Russian gas supplied to Ukraine. 27 April 2010 was pleased to ratify this agreement.
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  1. +66
    7 October 2013 12: 36
    Ukraine will finish badly, as it itself violates, and very strongly, the previously signed agreement. But in the event of an unfriendly attitude of Ukraine towards Russia (entry into an alliance with NATO), Sevastopol may automatically pass into the jurisdiction of Russia and Ukraine will no longer be able to influence this. This is what the authorities of the "Square" are most afraid of.
    1. +42
      7 October 2013 12: 49
      I read this article recently on a mail, an ordinary Natsik pours slop. Nothing new.
      1. +42
        7 October 2013 13: 25
        But I’m wondering if the USA is asking Italy for permission to rearm the Sixth Fleet in Naples or not.
        1. +9
          7 October 2013 13: 45
          Quote: Kibalchish
          But I’m wondering if the USA is asking Italy for permission to rearm the Sixth Fleet in Naples or not.

          De facto, no, he asks, but only notifies and agrees on certain issues within the framework of NATO structures. Legally, Italy can protest, but in fact ... no, because there is no sense for Italy in this, and the consequences do not promise anything good.
          1. +12
            7 October 2013 15: 15
            Quote: Bronis
            Legally, Italy may protest, but in fact ...

            The wives of all periodically protest. laughing
            1. zavzik
              -21
              7 October 2013 19: 36
              Your humor is several miles away with dirty footcloths, and, quite clearly, demonstrates the level of your intellect, or rather its complete absence.
              1. +1
                8 October 2013 05: 05
                and your intellect is already splashing over the edge.
              2. IGS
                +1
                8 October 2013 06: 18
                Are you a fetishist? Are you excited by footcloths? Want to talk about it? wassat
              3. DJEIN8
                0
                8 October 2013 17: 48
                19:36
                Regardless of further relations between Ukraine and Russia
                BLACK indelible SPOT in the HISTORY of UKRAINIAN rulers
                there will be a VILANT USE of other scoundrels Khrushchev, Gorbachev and at
                branch of Ukraine YELTSYN, in "TRANSFER" to Ukraine, SEVASTOPOL ......
                None self-respecting in the first place, and BLOOD SPILLED BY RUSSIANS, on
                throughout history, for the city of SEVASTOPOL I would not dare "grab" him
                with yourself .... NO UNDERSTANDING NOT JUSTIFICATION to such ... CAN'T BE ...,
                (Goebbels resting, he was not a friendly people) and now also
                Courage ...
      2. +12
        7 October 2013 14: 09
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        ordinary natsik pours slop

        good Hi Sasha. It’s nothing new and everything is so expected that it’s boring to discuss. The facts are distorted in the hope that readers will just be scrapped, read the agreement on the Black Sea Fleet.
        Such articles will now appear like whitewash in a roadside cafe ... in a stream. The Ukrainians need to be convinced that Russia is the enemy. Here and use the experience of Dr. Goebbels.
        1. +3
          7 October 2013 14: 18
          Quote: domokl
          Hi Sasha

          Great, great wink I read your koment seven times in a row and I think what
          Didn’t you give your password to anyone for an hour? This is not the writing style of Domocles.
          Here is the style of another person.
          1. +4
            7 October 2013 14: 36
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I read your koment seven times in a row and I think

            feel Everything flows, everything changes ... Stormy weekend, snow, hail and rain on the head caused a slight change in attitude towards the surrounding reality fellow
            And if you add more autumn laziness to write, you get what happened laughing
      3. Arabist
        +4
        7 October 2013 15: 06
        They (Natsiks) want us to come as a penitent. Well, I’ve come to find out if it’s possible to throw a couple of shells onto your ship and everything like that. No, we will talk with normal Ukrainians.
      4. +2
        7 October 2013 17: 21
        Sasha, this Mirror of the Week is going crazy. I won’t buy this rubbish even to make a fire. winked
      5. Jib
        Jib
        +7
        7 October 2013 17: 41
        You're right. Nothing new. This hysteria, led by the most "fat Ukrainians", has been going on for 20 years. The pressure on the Russian Black Sea Fleet comes in all directions (and successfully, with the support of those in power who hold the ass from Kiev). But they themselves perfectly understand that they are playing with fire. If Russia does not back down, in this situation, Crimea may leave Ukraine together with the Black Sea Fleet.
        Now there is a powerful information war that Russia is losing. At times, it seems that the West has muddied Syria in order to divert the forces and means of the Russian Federation from Ukraine, and later when Ukraine gets stuck in the EuroGey Union, finish Syria.
        1. 0
          7 October 2013 22: 48
          Quote: Kosatka
          . If Russia does not back down


          Do you think that Russia can backtrack?
      6. Constantine
        +8
        7 October 2013 19: 36
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I read this article recently on a mail, an ordinary Natsik pours slop. Nothing new.


        In fact, Ukraine should say thanks since in conditions when the Ukrainian Navy exists only on paper, the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation is the only operational naval force that can defend Ukraine in which case, and considering what Ukraine is doing with the army, there is a great chance that the Russian Armed Forces in Sevastopol will remain the only a force that can protect Ukraine in principle wassat

        Nothing. The time will come when the rewritten history will be recognized as rewritten, and the artificially created state will return to where it belongs. wink
      7. Quartermaster
        +1
        7 October 2013 23: 05
        the great Ukrainians can not calm down in any way, they practice Western handouts.
    2. +2
      7 October 2013 13: 12
      Quote: alexneg
      Sevastopol can automatically transfer to the jurisdiction of Russia and Ukraine will no longer be able to influence this

      Can I talk about this in more detail? Or a link? For clarity, so to speak, as for me, this can be done by some others.
      1. +10
        7 October 2013 13: 29
        Quote: Jura
        Sevastopol can automatically transfer to the jurisdiction of Russia and Ukraine will no longer be able to influence this


        Patriotic, but legally unfounded. There is no legal basis for such a transition. Crimea is a part of Ukraine on the basis of autonomy rights. Based on national legislation, a referendum will be needed. But in practice, all this is rather complicated and unrealistic. And there can be no question of an automatic transfer to the "jurisdiction" of Russia in the event of joining NATO.
        There is such a branch of legal knowledge. International public law. So, if we, at our will, take under "jurisdiction" a part of some other state, then we will become an aggressor country. and this is not a gut (although here the UN itself will fall into a stupor - it is not clear how to act against a country that is a permanent member of the Security Council).
        BUT on the other hand, if Ukraine joins NATO (which is unlikely so far), then in accordance with the North Atlantic Treaty, any action against one NATO member will be considered aggression against the entire bloc. With all that it implies ... there are also reservations, but not fundamental ones.
        So for now, it's all ping-pong: association with the European Union - here you have Onishchenko for your sweets ... yeah! There you are! Then here you have the Black Sea Fleet ... Soon the cold - and remember about the gas.
        However, in the current conditions, everything will remain as it is. Do not see Ukraine NATO, as we Crimea. At least until something out of the ordinary happens. It’s like the collapse of Ukraine or a tight confrontation with the United States in the best traditions of the Cold War.
        Conclusion: the pans are fighting, and at the lackeys forelocks are cracking. What a sad thing ...
        1. +5
          7 October 2013 13: 49
          Quote: Bronis
          Conclusion: the pans are fighting, and at the lackeys forelocks are cracking. What a sad thing ...

          cleverly push the two fraternal peoples with their foreheads.
          And the Russian and Ukrainian Gauleiters are the agents of the idea of ​​separation of peoples.
        2. +14
          7 October 2013 14: 07
          Quote: Bronis
          Sevastopol can automatically transfer to the jurisdiction of Russia and Ukraine will no longer be able to influence this
          Patriotic, but legally unfounded. There are no legal grounds for such a transition


          There are legal grounds! Ukraine transferred the Crimean Autonomous Region. Sevastopol was a city of all-Union significance and did not enter the Crimean region! There are no such documents where Sevastopol was included in the Crimean region. It was Kravchuk who silently grabbed him with his bottle under a bottle. So there would be a desire ...
          1. Misantrop
            +10
            7 October 2013 14: 11
            Quote: Egoza
            There are no such documents where Sevastopol was included in the Crimean region. It was Kravchuk who silently grabbed him with his bottle under a bottle.

            By the way, Sevastopol and now is not part of the Crimea. ALL city administration completely autonomousdirect Kiev submission (even a mayor is appointed from there)
            1. +12
              7 October 2013 14: 15
              Quote: Misantrop
              By the way, Sevastopol and now is not part of the Crimea. ALL city administration is absolutely autonomous, direct Kiev subordination (even a mayor is appointed from there)

              The law on the election of the mayor of Sevastopol has been blocked for many years in Kiev.
              They are afraid that they will choose a pro-Russian candidate, that’s why they appoint Gauleiters who absolutely do not understand the specifics of the city.
            2. 0
              7 October 2013 20: 25
              Greetings! You are absolutely right. The legal status of Sevastopol and Crimea is still that task (which, however, doesn’t change anything for us). Especially, given that Ukraine is considered a unitary state, albeit decentralized.
          2. +7
            7 October 2013 17: 36
            There are legal grounds! Ukraine transferred the Crimean Autonomous Region. Sevastopol was a city of all-Union significance and did not enter the Crimean region! There are no such documents where Sevastopol was included in the Crimean region. It was Kravchuk who silently grabbed him with his bottle under a bottle. So there would be a desire ...

            Alas, alas, alas ... Russia recognized Ukraine within the borders of the 1991 year and acted as a guarantor of its integrity. Since Sevas is territorially located in Ukraine and there were no reservations about it ... In general, hello to Uncle Bor. drank Sevastopol.
            1. 0
              7 October 2013 21: 13
              In any document, there are commas, there are brackets, there is a fine print. But when there is POWER, documents are only viewed
          3. +4
            7 October 2013 19: 04
            This Kravchuk EBN made a gift on a binge. He almost got to the hospital. He did not understand what Crimea is and what Sevastopol is. I had to drink less. I still wonder how he did not give Kaliningrad to the Germans.
            1. Misantrop
              +3
              7 October 2013 19: 07
              Quote: serezhasoldatow
              I still wonder how he did not give Kaliningrad to the Germans.
              There was no chancellor on that booze. Probably, then he bit his elbows ... laughing
          4. +1
            7 October 2013 20: 18
            Quote: Egoza
            There are legal grounds!

            No, unfortunately, because Sevastopol is part of Ukraine. All the rest does not matter. The Supreme Council, I recall, adopted the resolution No. 5359-1, but the matter did not go further. There is 2 of fact: first, there is not a word about Sevastopol in the Constitution of the Russian Federation (which is part of the Russian Federation). In the constitution of Ukraine - is. We do not dispute rights. We have no legal rights to Sevastopol. But you can’t get moral to the point ... unfortunately.
            Regarding local administration, read esteemed Misantrop-a
        3. +4
          7 October 2013 15: 19
          Quote: Bronis
          There are no legal grounds for such a transition. Crimea as an autonomy is part of Ukraine.

          Under the Union, Sevastopol was directly subordinate to Moscow. So lawyers will be able to dig deeper there, if allowed from above.
          1. +1
            7 October 2013 20: 28
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Under the Union, Sevastopol was directly subordinate to Moscow. So lawyers will be able to dig deeper there, if allowed from above.

            There were many conflicting documents. But there’s nothing special to pick about. Through concrete action (20-year inaction), the status itself was recognized.
        4. +6
          7 October 2013 15: 52
          We must really sit and wait. And feed (firmly feed) pro-Russian organizations in Crimea. Then maybe something will wait. It is interesting how it will look legally if, upon entry of Ukraine into the EU, a visa is issued for Ukrainians to enter Russia, but for residents of the ARC, no?
          1. Misantrop
            +2
            7 October 2013 19: 10
            Quote: shark
            And nourish (firmly nourish) pro-Russian organizations in Crimea.
            Ideas and technical support, ONLY NOT WITH MONEY (those will again be taken away by "pro-Russian activists" of one cunning nationality). In Simferopol, for example, there is such a "Russian Cultural Center". So there is NOT ONE Russian ... request
        5. +2
          7 October 2013 21: 06
          As far as I know, the Black Sea Fleet is based in Ukraine. Based on an agreement on friendship and cooperation between Ukraine and the Russian Federation. If they revise it (joining NATO), then we will take away our obligations from Sevastopol.
    3. +1
      7 October 2013 13: 40
      It seems that we can’t do without a division of Ukraine ... to begin with the introduction of troops into the Crimea to protect the population from forced Ukrainization,
      1. +7
        7 October 2013 13: 52
        Quote: Civil
        It seems that we can’t do without a division of Ukraine ... to begin with the introduction of troops into the Crimea to protect the population from forced Ukrainization,

        ABOUT! Now is not the time of the partition of the Commonwealth. Troops should be completed, not started. And the collapse of Ukraine does not know what will bring us. Are we ready for this? We still have the Caucasus actively smoking ...
        Crimea can only be part of a general strategy, but it is not yet there. And just like that, Crimea ("To be") is a huge intractable problem.
      2. apostol88
        +3
        7 October 2013 14: 15
        We are not like Americans, we are "Good" and never offend anyone!
      3. +3
        7 October 2013 16: 10
        Sooner, very early. Let’s put things in order first. But you can’t forget about propaganda work in Crimea ....
      4. Ivan Sirko
        -2
        7 October 2013 18: 05
        Also I still "enter". Pay tribute to Chechnya, but now you want to pay Crimea too?
        1. -1
          7 October 2013 18: 17
          Quote: Ivan Sirko
          Also I still "enter". Pay tribute to Chechnya, but now you want to pay Crimea too?

          Crimea does not need, there is mainly the Russian population, which does not need tribute.
          1. +1
            8 October 2013 01: 47
            And the Crimean Tatar Mejlis ?! A little staggering - they will take power, and the Turks will support everything they can.
            The Mejlis has formed not recognized, but acting authorities.
        2. +2
          7 October 2013 21: 39
          Crimea is only a territorially and legally part of the outlying state, but if tomorrow happens to depart Russia, will join the Russian Federation as a native
        3. 0
          7 October 2013 22: 53
          Quote: Ivan Sirko
          Also I still "enter". Pay tribute to Chechnya, but now you want to pay Crimea too?


          what did you vote for? Do a circumcision and blow a chicha ... and a bit will get a bit
        4. IGS
          +1
          8 October 2013 06: 28
          Ay-ah, to beat the patient ... not good ... you can get in the return line. For example, let’s take care laughing, in the best traditions of European and democratic values, the position of your women, whom you sell in brothels around the world, you yourself needlessly, it’s obvious that once in a pid .., I'm sorry, we’ve gathered in the EU. And introduce fellow
      5. +3
        7 October 2013 20: 09
        Quote: Civil
        It seems that we can’t do without a division of Ukraine ... to begin with the introduction of troops into the Crimea to protect the population from forced Ukrainization,

        Do you think Ukraine is an enemy? And it is necessary with fire and sword? "Wisely" ... I'll tell you from myself. that anyone who considers the Russian and Ukrainian peoples to be enemies / competitors / adversaries, m ... I love my country - Ukraine. I respect Russia and its inhabitants. And even in theory I cannot imagine such a development of events. You are sick?
    4. +7
      7 October 2013 13: 59

      The city of RUSSIAN sailors!
    5. Reasonable, 2,3
      +3
      7 October 2013 14: 39
      Well, with NATO, we also violate and wouldn’t they go to dig a ravine with a horse ?.
    6. Quiet
      +3
      7 October 2013 15: 41
      This is what the authorities of the "square" are most afraid of.

      There is a good saying "If they are afraid, they will definitely lose" !!! laughing
      1. 0
        7 October 2013 19: 17
        Looked at the photo attached to the article. Is the first ship from the right at the bow of the nose a dent, or did it seem to me? If a dent, then where does the fleet command and the captain of the ship look?
        And yet. Why is the Marine Brigade 1 BTR-82AM needed for the arrival of Shoigu?. And what, is this BTR in a single copy a lot of what decides for the brigade? Or is this another fraud of the command before the Minister, they say, we have 1 BTR-82am in the brigade.
    7. +3
      7 October 2013 22: 28
      Do not scold Sister. I have not been ill "ischo"
  2. +10
    7 October 2013 12: 36
    Some tugboats, rescuers, armored personnel carriers ... It would be nice to be indignant if a couple of new cruisers stood against the wall, and submarines would not interfere in Balaklava. And then - RB, SB ... Soon we will begin to consider raid boats?
    1. Akim
      -8
      7 October 2013 12: 45
      Quote: TRex
      if a couple of new cruisers stood against the wall, and submarines will not interfere in Balaclava

      Are they available?
      1. +13
        7 October 2013 13: 27
        is that the point? to find fault with the harbor tug and the rescuer is at least ridiculous, they cannot be called "military", weapons are "0", and they are unlikely to "undermine" the defense capability of the Navy.
        1. 0
          7 October 2013 19: 44
          A beggar and a house slipper from a rich boot, but then you really want to wait a second ...
      2. Stasstoychev
        +5
        7 October 2013 13: 37
        find! :-) winked
      3. +3
        7 October 2013 15: 56
        Do you doubt what will happen? And not a couple-three?
      4. +2
        7 October 2013 20: 59
        Quote: Akim
        Are they available?

        Are you talking about the Ukrainian Navy? Well then, definitely not ...
        1. Akim
          -2
          7 October 2013 21: 03
          Quote: Tersky
          Are you talking about the Ukrainian Navy?

          There is no navy in Ukraine at all. The Navy has nothing new.
          But the question was about the new cruisers of the Russian Federation?
          1. +2
            7 October 2013 21: 36
            Quote: Akim
            But the question was about the new cruisers of the Russian Federation?

            If they are built, then they won’t see Sevastopol, if so much saliva is poured over the tugboat and the rescue vessel, then some people will choke on their own because of the cruiser.
    2. +3
      7 October 2013 13: 36
      Quote: TRex
      submarines will not interfere in Balaclava.

      Everything has already been destroyed in Balaclava. The 825 is used as a museum of the Navy.
    3. +4
      7 October 2013 14: 10
      Quote: TRex
      Soon the raid boats will begin to count?

      Yeah! Why are they really indignant? Wanted - began to take less gas in Russia. So the less gas we take, the more Russian ships in Sevastopol! All according to the laws of physics! laughing
      1. +1
        7 October 2013 19: 21
        Quote: Egoza
        Yeah! Why are they really indignant? Wanted - began to take less gas in Russia. So the less gas we take, the more Russian ships in Sevastopol! All according to the laws of physics!


        well, if you call sb-4 and vm-86 warships, then the laws of physics generally rest))
    4. +1
      7 October 2013 19: 52
      TRex

      Any reason to resent them will do. Though tugboats, even an inflatable boat. The most important thing is to inflate your cheeks.
  3. +15
    7 October 2013 12: 36
    ... how this butting has already gotten ...
    1. AVV
      +2
      7 October 2013 13: 53
      Let them first restore order, taking into account the Crimean Tatars in the Crimea, and the lands illegally seized by them, and then, all questions to Khrushchev in the Black Sea Fleet, why he made such a somersault, Ukraine never belonged to Crimea !!!
  4. +11
    7 October 2013 12: 38
    for me, so the status of a foreign military base in Sevastopol is a formality and for Crimeans it is also a formality
  5. +12
    7 October 2013 12: 40
    Ukraine may continue to be indignant, angry and preoccupied, etc. regarding the planned activities of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Crimea. No one is going to rob her of the holy right to autonomously indignant.
    1. +2
      7 October 2013 19: 48
      Remember the cartoon "Fulfillment of Desires": "Look how he (the author) disassembled! Okay, you bark, bark, but just don't bite!"
  6. Akim
    +34
    7 October 2013 12: 43
    Fuck. Tug and armored personnel carrier. Now I will not fall asleep from the "growing Russian threat" fellow I thought I had a chandelier from the earthquake, but not. According to the frightened author, this was a Bester passing in the Crimea. He wrote garbage to make a decor.
  7. +9
    7 October 2013 12: 44
    Ukraine, Ukraine! It seems to me that it would be extremely nice for ordinary people, Ukrainians, if, say, a couple of new cruisers and a dozen submarines came to Sevastopol, with such a neighborhood both warmer and safer, but it’s clear who they are indignant - we didn’t coordinate the tug in port - pay 100500 hryvnias. Absurd.
  8. +9
    7 October 2013 12: 47
    Baby talk, right ...
  9. Daniil
    +3
    7 October 2013 12: 57
    Yanukovych himself is probably not happy about the agreement he signed with Medvedev. He is torn into the European Union and then the Black Sea Fleet is not giving him peace and Dmitry Anatolyevich is blackmailing with the Customs Union.
    1. 0
      7 October 2013 19: 22
      Quote: DaniiL
      Dmitry Anatolyevich is blackmailing with the Customs Union.


      wassat LADIES most likely scares him with a new iPhone. DAM is not even capable of blackmail without a decree from above
  10. +9
    7 October 2013 12: 58
    Ukraine is only looking for an excuse to remove the Black Sea Fleet from Sevastopol.
    1. +3
      7 October 2013 20: 00
      xperia

      Do not wait. As our fleet stood, it will be there.
  11. Breeze59
    +12
    7 October 2013 13: 00
    Powerful rearmament. They are indignant, as if they were already NATO members, although they are also in Africa ... As if they had not requested help from the Geisoyuz for blockade the Black Sea Fleet ships.
  12. faint27
    +2
    7 October 2013 13: 00
    all this reminds a fable about an elephant and a pug.
    Soon the brothers-Slavs will play out, we will take back our Crimea from them!
    1. Akim
      -25
      7 October 2013 13: 06
      Quote: sven27
      Slav brothers we will take our Crimea back from them!

      Have you heard about the Indian national hut? Or the opinion, living there does not count?
      1. faint27
        +12
        7 October 2013 13: 11
        Quote: Akim
        Have you heard about the Indian national hut? Or the opinion, living there does not count?

        So you ask the Crimean population where they would like more in Russia or Ukraine. Do they want Sevastopol to become another NATO base? I think the answer is obvious.
        PS and inappropriately poke, ugly hi
        1. +5
          7 October 2013 13: 23
          Quote: sven27
          So you ask the Crimean population where they would like more in Russia or Ukraine. Do they want Sevastopol to become another NATO base? I think the answer is obvious.

          If you ask the Tatars then everyone will be surprised.
          1. Alexander I
            +3
            7 October 2013 13: 42
            Why ask them? laughing
          2. +1
            7 October 2013 21: 53
            give the Tatars an independent Crimea!
        2. Akim
          -5
          7 October 2013 13: 27
          Quote: sven27
          I think the answer is obvious

          Well, sorry. They pulled the string - I wanted to poke more painfully. As for the survey, sociologists conducted it. It is not in the public domain, but more than half of Crimeans consider Ukraine their country. Moreover, these are people up to 40. Quite a large percentage consider Russia their homeland, as the legal successors of the USSR. If they asked me: I consider the USSR to be my Homeland, the answer would be YES. But whether I consider Russia to be my Motherland is definitely NOT. When I first signed the contract, I messed up two forms. In the graph Country of birth He wrote the USSR, and then the Ukrainian SSR.
          1. +7
            7 October 2013 13: 44
            Quote: Akim
            It is not in the public domain, but more than half of Crimeans consider Ukraine their country.


            Akim good cheered up, is it really so secret?

            According to a sociological survey, only 38% of its residents today want to see the peninsula as part of the Russian


            if you are talking about this poll, then here ~ 38% / 40%

            http://www.km.ru/world/2012/09/14/polozhenie-russkoyazychnogo-naseleniya-ukrainy
            / Xnumx-russiya-teryaet-krym

            but to be honest, I don’t believe in statistics, sheer nonsense, and I, as a resident of Crimea, know better than the people in Crimea "breathe"
            1. Akim
              -3
              7 October 2013 14: 01
              Quote: seller trucks
              Akim cheered up, is it really so secret?

              This is not a secret, just the survey was commissioned by the Crimean government and cannot be published without his consent. So small data leaks out and that's it.
              1. avg
                +12
                7 October 2013 14: 10
                Now I live in Moscow, but my homeland is Feodosia. I often have childhood friends, and I know the mood of the Crimean people firsthand. I have not heard from any of them that their homeland is Ukraine, although in Soviet times, most likely, they would have been called the Ukrainian SSR. You got such pearls on a silver platter as the Crimean, Nikolaev, Odessa and other regions, so say thank you to Yeltsin and behave accordingly. And then, when they begin to demand money for the passage through the Kerch Strait and take customs duty for sailor soap, I want to send all the "Big Agreements" to fuck and restore historical justice.
                By the way, Sevastopol has always been a city of central subordination, and Russia, as the assignee of the USSR, has every right to it.
                1. Akim
                  -6
                  7 October 2013 14: 47
                  Quote: avg
                  I often have childhood friends, and I know the mood of Crimeans firsthand. I have not heard from any of them that their homeland is Ukraine,

                  I also have the birthplace of the USSR, but the country in which I live is Ukraine. And if they tell me that Russia + the USSR, I will laugh in his face, or even spit.
                  1. avg
                    +6
                    7 October 2013 16: 34
                    I also have the birthplace of the USSR, but the country in which I live is Ukraine. And if they tell me that Russia + the USSR, I will laugh in his face, or even spit.

                    You know, my friend, the Internet boor is, perhaps, worse than the tram. He even runs the risk of spitting in the snout, but the Internet "daredevil" - nothing at all! hi
                    1. Akim
                      +3
                      7 October 2013 16: 43
                      Quote: avg
                      He at least runs the risk of spitting in the snout,

                      Therefore, he wrote at the beginning laugh. Naturally, if he is the size of Valuev, I do not dare even spit in his direction. But bourgeois Russia will never be identified with a socialist state. At least not during our lifetimes.
                      1. +3
                        7 October 2013 20: 01
                        In modern Ukraine, is socialism now, not the bourgeoisie, or is the Com Party of Ukraine in power? Or Ukraine wants to enter into a partnership with the European social. camp? But he wants to bask for free bourgeois Russian gas, as it was once part of the USSR.
                      2. Akim
                        0
                        7 October 2013 20: 24
                        Quote: shasherin_pavel
                        In modern Ukraine, socialism is now, not the bourgeoisie, or the Com Party of Ukraine is in power

                        Both there and there are bourgeois. Only this country in which I live and campaign for Russia, as the legal successor, does not make sense. Sewed on soap. Do not remember the Communist Party of Ukraine - these are shifters, with the absence of actions in the direction of socialism-communism. The USSR, unfortunately, has long been gone, and Russia is hard to call so that I love her.
                  2. Misantrop
                    +3
                    7 October 2013 16: 35
                    Quote: Akim
                    I will laugh in his face, or even spit.
                    Not tolerant, not European. We must wean from these habits, otherwise they will be expelled, they will not look at patriotism ... lol
                    1. Akim
                      +1
                      7 October 2013 16: 45
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      otherwise they will expel, they will not look at patriotism ...

                      Not a great seal. I don’t aspire there either.
                      1. Misantrop
                        0
                        7 October 2013 17: 20
                        Quote: Akim
                        Not a great seal. I don’t aspire there either.
                        The sad thing is that the leaders will not ask, they will confront the fact and begin to press ...
                      2. Akim
                        0
                        7 October 2013 17: 49
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        and begin to press ..

                        Do not invent.
                      3. +2
                        7 October 2013 20: 07
                        Why don't you make it up? How I laughed at my father-in-law in Chernigov, when they told me about the elections: “if you don’t vote for Kravchuk, then we will turn off the gas for you”. The mother-in-law says, "where are you going? Voted." I told her: "How will they know that you did not vote for Kravchuk?" Says: "So then he will lose." "And how will he turn off the gas for you if he loses the elections? The leadership will be different." We tried it, we know.
                      4. Akim
                        +3
                        7 October 2013 20: 31
                        Quote: shasherin_pavel
                        "if you do not vote for Kravchuk, then we will turn off your gas"

                        This is a scarecrow, and now it works, I know about the Odessa elections. If a person -L ... X, he will be scared from the finger. 99th year. We were scared - we will not vote for Kuchma, we will become a satellite and go to Chechnya. Therefore, they did a nachfak in the West and the whole battery voted for Simonenko.
                  3. +1
                    7 October 2013 22: 03
                    Apparently Ukraine will become the link that will gather around itself the fragments of a great country ?! Maybe in Russia the same mess as ours, but if you are for integration with the European Union, we are not on your way!
                    1. Akim
                      0
                      7 October 2013 22: 09
                      Quote: Patton5
                      but if you are for integration with the European Union, we are not on your way!

                      Wait and see. Neither I nor you will change anything, and it does not make sense to sharpen anger at the people. Now Russia is only doing worse.
                2. +14
                  7 October 2013 14: 58
                  avg but my homeland is Theodosius- with fraternal greetings, fellow countrywoman! My mother lives there. He served for many years in Sevastopol, now I live and work in the Urals. Nearby are two fraternists from the Chernihiv region, who have a father and a mother there. Who will divide us? Are politicians corrupt? No matter how they themselves are torn, like a Tuzik heating pad ...
                  1. avg
                    +7
                    7 October 2013 16: 28
                    Hello! Very good glad to meet the Theodosian. Unfortunately, this generation of ours perceives the collapse of the Great Country as a tragedy, but my grandchildren are already given, albeit politely, nodding when I clean their brains.
              2. Misantrop
                +3
                7 October 2013 14: 22
                Quote: Akim
                The survey was commissioned by the Crimean government and ...
                ... among its representatives (appointed from Kiev) lol
              3. vkrav
                +3
                7 October 2013 15: 44
                Quote: Akim
                just a survey was commissioned by the government of Crimea

                ... in the Enlightenment society? Or in the Majlis?
              4. +1
                7 October 2013 19: 56
                I can imagine how this poll would be advertised if 90% were for Ukraine.
            2. +5
              7 October 2013 15: 33
              Quote: seller trucks
              , and I, as a resident of Crimea, know better than the people in Crimea "breathe"

              I support and confirm as a resident of the Crimean AR.
          2. faint27
            +3
            7 October 2013 13: 48
            Recently, many attempts have been made to divide the two fraternal peoples, mainly from the Ukrainian nationalists raised the topic of gas, famine and the Black Sea Fleet. And this article is the next paper on the topic of the Black Sea Fleet. Let's not succumb to it. Let Crimea remain Ukrainian. Peace be with you Slavs!
            1. +6
              7 October 2013 15: 38
              Quote: sven27
              . Let Crimea remain Ukrainian.

              Tell me more - the Western Ukrainian ... Do I need to change nationality ???
            2. +7
              7 October 2013 16: 01
              Crimea was and will be Russian. But at this point in history, it is part of the Ukrainian state. So it’s probably more correct to perceive it
              1. Akim
                +4
                7 October 2013 16: 21
                Quote: shark
                Crimea was and will be Russian.

                I agree with that.
                1. 0
                  7 October 2013 21: 55
                  Although I agreed here.
                  1. Akim
                    +1
                    7 October 2013 22: 02
                    Quote: Simon
                    Although I agreed here.

                    Because it is necessary to be able to separate these two concepts. Maybe Natsik and dream to Ukrainize Crimea and plant their culture, but this is a minority. He will be Russian, but the citizens of Ukraine live there.
                    1. 0
                      8 October 2013 23: 16
                      It’s just as easy for me to breathe in Crimea as in Lviv. And there and there you don’t think, despite 2 languages ​​(in Lviv, in 2 hours you start to speak Ukrainian, even though you think in Russian).
                      I don’t feel the difference between St. Petersburg (where we were told and we were told that we are tourists here and our language is somewhat different) Crimea, Sevastopol, Lviv and Odessa ...
                      I don’t understand why did you make a cheese here?
          3. Misantrop
            +7
            7 October 2013 14: 20
            Quote: Akim
            As for the survey, sociologists conducted it. It is not in the public domain, but more than half of Crimeans consider Ukraine their country. Moreover, these are people up to 40.
            Moreover, the Crimeans did not even suspect about this poll, let alone questioned. And "people under 40" are the teachers of the 1st Ukrainian gymnasium? So they will not answer differently lol
            And if such a poll was really conducted among the Crimeans, then it would not have been publicly available for a completely different reason - most of the answers in relation to being a part of Ukraine would be ... obscene. How much is it to publish. Periodically on local TV channels they show interviews with passers-by on this topic, so there from the screen only: "Pi-i-n !!!" is heard. And you can see how the lips move with very popular phrases. Moreover - regardless of nationality, gender and age ... lol
            1. Akim
              +3
              7 October 2013 14: 52
              Quote: Misantrop
              From time to time, local TV channels show interviews with passers-by on this topic,

              Those who like to give interviews are people aged. About five years ago, I worked on a Odessa television channel and I know. Dove and show not different opinions, but those that are necessary for the leadership of the channel.
              1. Misantrop
                0
                7 October 2013 16: 31
                Quote: Misantrop
                regardless of nationality, gender and age ...
                Selectively read? wink
              2. +1
                7 October 2013 21: 58
                What was they fired for? Likely as Russophobe?
          4. +2
            7 October 2013 15: 28
            They gave Crimea - we will return Crimea.
            1. Akim
              -9
              7 October 2013 15: 33
              Quote: Deniska999
              They gave Crimea - we will return Crimea.

              Well hello ZOMBIES! You have no other problems, how to dream of war. Play the computer - take it easy.
              1. Volkhov
                +1
                7 October 2013 23: 54
                Quote: Akim
                Well hello ZOMBIES! You have no other problems, how to dream of war.

                And who is not a zombie? This is now a normal standard state.
                According to the Third World Development Program, Georgia is the first in line - now the fence is being set up on the border of South Ossetia with violations, when the Georgians emerge - they will conquer them, and then - if Turkey misses, Assad will overthrow and Persia, and if the Turks refuse, then return Crimea. ..
                So convince the Turks to skip as far as possible, so that they themselves stay away ...
          5. vkrav
            +3
            7 October 2013 15: 43
            Quote: Akim
            but their country more than half of Crimeans consider Ukraine.

            And this "half" of the specifically polled appeared in Crimea after 1992. Stop driving a blizzard.
            1. Akim
              -5
              7 October 2013 15: 59
              Quote: vkrav
              And this "half" of the specifically polled appeared in Crimea after 1992.

              I have a Crimean friend, I have a bunch of co-workers who came from there. Dozens of fighters, residents of that region, took the oath of allegiance to the people of Ukraine. Or do you want to say that these are not people? Who could, he squinted, and now screams for reunion. Those who are older - taking the oath of the Soviet Union, they can still be understood. And that is not completely.
          6. 0
            7 October 2013 17: 39
            Quote: Akim
            In the column Country of birth wrote the USSR, and then the USSR.

            And the one who transferred the data from the questionnaire to the database, wrote down the USSR. Vedas in the template there is no such country as the USSR.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVuIx7iSaw
            1. Akim
              0
              7 October 2013 17: 51
              Quote: Genry
              Vedas in the template there is no such country as the USSR.

              There is. It is called UkrSSR.
              1. 0
                7 October 2013 18: 22
                Yes, even Lviv indicate, it will still be the USSR. It’s like in America, indicate Alaska and by hierarchy get the USA.
          7. +2
            7 October 2013 18: 18
            Crimea has never been Ukrainian, and there has never been such a state as Ukraine, and there will be no ghost, Ukraine is from the edge of the word, for the first time this name was pronounced by Catherine II, thereby marking the borders of the Russian Empire, and if we delve deeper into history, Crimea was Tatar, Turkish and subsequently Russian, and he remained so until one indiot named Khrushchev entered this peninsula into the territory of the Ukrainian SSR, if not to be unfounded, then according to the division of the Soviet Union, since all border treaties had to be canceled, Crimea should n was to depart Russia, thanks to Boris for the Russian Crimea, and all the talk about the Kaiser's Square thanks to agents and uneducated people who swallowed it all.
            1. 0
              7 October 2013 20: 15
              In fact, before the war they said "Ukraine, isn't it in this rye, Taras Shevchenko .."
              1. 0
                7 October 2013 21: 54
                He spoke Ukrainian. Emphasis on the first "a". Outskirts of Russia (in Yekaterinensky). Shevchenko could not even imagine that such a country in the world could appear in the world (like in a joke, because of one word ...). By the way, this national shot was wanted by the tsarist police all his life for theft and not only. Never worked. And he wrote about his native nenki .. from St. Petersburg and Gatchina (where, in fact, he hid most of his life). What are you not distant ... and not literate ...
                1. Corneli
                  +1
                  7 October 2013 22: 12
                  Quote: PCTRL
                  By the way, this nat-shot all his life was wanted by the tsarist police for theft and not only. Not when I didn’t work. And he wrote about his rich nenko .. from St. Petersburg and Gatchina (where, in fact, he hid most of his life). What you are not far ... and not literate ...

                  It is strange that you, with your scholarship, forgot to mention the Russian godfather, who otmazyvayut this "thief" and huddled him in his thieves in St. Petersburg ... A certain Count Fyodor Petrovich Tolstoy, vice-president of the Imperial Academy of Arts and uncle of the famous Leo Tolstoy. .. laughing
            2. +3
              7 October 2013 21: 33
              Crimea has never been Ukrainian, and there has never been such a state as Ukraine, and there will be no ghost, Ukraine is from the edge of the word, for the first time this name was pronounced by Catherine II, thereby marking the borders of the Russian Empire, and if we delve deeper into history, Crimea was Tatar, Turkish and subsequently Russian, and he remained so until one indiot named Khrushchev entered this peninsula into the territory of the Ukrainian SSR, if not to be unfounded, then according to the division of the Soviet Union, since all border treaties had to be canceled, Crimea should n was to depart Russia, thanks to Boris for the Russian Crimea, and all the talk about the Kaiser's Square thanks to agents and uneducated people who swallowed it all.

              Absolutely right! History cannot be cut down with an ax ...!
        3. +1
          7 October 2013 21: 50
          I won’t say it for everyone, but I and almost everyone I know would definitely be for joining the Russian Federation!
      2. +1
        7 October 2013 14: 06
        Quote: Akim
        Have you heard about the Indian national hut? Or the opinion, living there does not count?

        And what about the Guatemalan People’s House? bully
      3. vkrav
        +17
        7 October 2013 15: 40
        Quote: Akim
        Or the opinion, living there does not count?

        Do you want the opinion of a person living in Sevastopol? Most Sevastopol residents consider the city stupidly occupied by Ukrainians. Moreover, a stupid ukrodoblo howls about love for the rye nenka creeps into Sevastopol, as if they smeared with honey here. places where the salary is paid steadily. Well, not counting the sale of Sevastopol land to the same stolen ukra. The general policy of the Ukrainian authorities is to give a shit to the maximum, until they are asked to dump the farm, catch the money ek.Vot your opinion.
        1. +8
          7 October 2013 15: 49
          Quote: vkrav
          Do you want the opinion of a person living in Sevastopol? Most Sevastopol residents consider the city stupidly occupied by Ukrainians. Moreover, a stupid ukrodoblo howls about love for the rye nenka creeps into Sevastopol, as if they smeared with honey here. places where the salary is paid steadily. Well, not counting the sale of Sevastopol land to the same stolen ukra. The general policy of the Ukrainian authorities is to give a shit to the maximum, until they are asked to dump the farm, catch the money ek.Vot your opinion.

          to the very point !!!
          hi fellow countryman. I myself grew up in Cossack.
        2. Akim
          -1
          7 October 2013 16: 06
          Quote: vkrav
          . The entire economy of the city rests on the Navy and naval enterprises, as these are the only places where salaries are paid steadily.

          Here you have been given "candy" and you are ready to talk about only one thing. Sevastopol is a specific city. All his life he was tied to the navy and it is natural that he gives life to the city. And you can not tell me about the lands. I myself make my way to the beaches with a fight. But know how to separate flies from cutlets, and not vilify everyone and everything.
          1. Misantrop
            +7
            7 October 2013 16: 39
            Quote: Akim
            know how to separate flies from cutlets, and not to vilify everyone and everything.
            And what about kissing them intimate places for the projects of transforming Sevastopol "in the European style"? One of the new projects is to remove the hospital and all related services from the Hospital Cape and ... build a yacht club for the elite. Would you like to list this "elite" or guess yourself?
      4. Troy
        +2
        7 October 2013 15: 59
        Do you know the opinion of Crimeans?
      5. +5
        7 October 2013 16: 09
        Crimea UTB Russian land. The Russians repulsed her from the Tatars.
        1. +3
          7 October 2013 22: 04
          Correct! Crimean Tatars were vassals of the Turks, which means they were recaptured from the Turks.
      6. +1
        7 October 2013 16: 19
        and you yourself heard the opinion of LIVING there ???
      7. IGS
        0
        8 October 2013 06: 39
        But seriously, what could interfere? Without hatred.
    2. +1
      7 October 2013 20: 19
      Quote: sven27
      Soon the brothers-Slavs will play out, we will take back our Crimea from them!

      How? What "makar"? Do you have a plan? Maybe that's enough nonsense?
      1. IGS
        0
        8 October 2013 06: 42
        The same question for you. What could prevent Russia from annexing Crimea?
        1. Akim
          0
          8 October 2013 09: 38
          Quote: IGS
          What could prevent Russia from annexing Crimea?

          There is such an unaccounted for component - Ukraine.
          1. IGS
            0
            8 October 2013 15: 38
            Do you believe that yourself? The Crimeans themselves will not particularly mind, with the exception of some of the same Crimean Tatars, but they are far from Chechens, you can quietly agree with the sashka, let the others stop and even get the right propaganda, they’ll eat me up now, but if, for example, surrender Syria in exchange for the Crimea ... and Ukraine will be in the position of Georgia ... so .. there will be no civilian support for the defense, this is not western Ukraine ... I asked without hatred and great words.
  13. +16
    7 October 2013 13: 04
    The article is custom-made and is aimed at inciting hatred in Russian-Ukrainian relations. The bonfire goes out and someone decided to throw firewood.
  14. +5
    7 October 2013 13: 05
    And us the army.

    Pleased with the comments of Ukrainian brothers. Guys will drag you after all. sorry a hundred ashamed to be sharing what is taught in the geyrop.
    1. Gul
      Gul
      +1
      7 October 2013 18: 53
      Dear, anally preoccupied Slavic brother, in the geyrops they are twisted by mutual agreement, but the Caucasians are raping your Cossacks - or it doesn’t matter to you, who and how?
      1. +2
        7 October 2013 20: 20
        Well, son! Did your Poles help you? As the language is turned turned out to be called a Cossack. And if a Cossack Caucasian?
      2. -2
        7 October 2013 23: 11
        Quote: gyl
        anyhow who and how?


        yes ... Ukrainians everywhere rod
        1. Gul
          Gul
          -2
          8 October 2013 04: 21
          There is such a thing, they are beautiful, but Russians, too, have a liking, too.
          1. IGS
            -2
            8 October 2013 06: 45
            How do you know that?
          2. -1
            8 October 2013 07: 34
            Quote: I am a Russian
            yes ... Ukrainians everywhere rod


            Quote: gyl
            There is such, they are beautiful


            more precisely - they are available. The main "workers" of the roadside
            1. IGS
              0
              8 October 2013 09: 38
              I read it. But the question is different:
              Quote: IGS
              How do you know that?
              And not to you. smile
            2. Gul
              Gul
              +1
              8 October 2013 14: 00
              Yes, to our regret, we live in post-Soviet countries in which the poverty of a working person is guaranteed, this is the know-how of scoops - gigantic salary taxes that make a worker poor. That’s where our delegation came from China - they say that they completely disregard Ukrainians and Russian and emphasized attentive to the Poles - the Chinese do not like countries producing poverty.
              1. -4
                8 October 2013 14: 16
                Quote: gyl
                the Chinese do not like countries producing poverty.


                Ukraine - yes ... poverty is booming.
      3. +1
        8 October 2013 09: 11
        Quote: gyl
        in geyrops are rolled by mutual agreement


        So I see that you climb with such persistence.

        Quote: gyl
        you have Cossacks raped Caucasians


        Etozh who did you give a damn about that. I look over there, on the contrary, they are running towards you, and even explode on the way to the checkpoint at the same time.
  15. +21
    7 October 2013 13: 05
    Be that as it may, Sevastopol is a city of Russian military glory and ALWAYS will be to them! soldier
    1. avg
      0
      7 October 2013 16: 54
      Be that as it may, Sevastopol is a city of Russian military glory and ALWAYS will be to them!

      And we still sing:
      The legendary Sevastopol,
      Unapproachable for ho..ov,
      Sevastopol, Sevastopol -
      Pride of Russian sailors!
    2. Gul
      Gul
      -11
      7 October 2013 18: 56
      from childhood, interested in the facts of glory associated with Sevastopol - what is remarkable in the shameful surrender of the fortress to the most powerful enemies?
      1. +1
        7 October 2013 20: 29
        Is Great Britain, France not the strongest enemies? Who is stronger? Honduras? Or Antarctica! And Sevastopol was not handed over, but left, no one has waited for the keys to the city in the entire history of the city. And not a fortress, but a city. Sevastopol never erected fortress walls, and it can only be called a fortress allegorically - for its heroism, which is beyond any walls. Aren't you shaming your grandfather with a "shameful task" who defended Sevastopol? Or did your grandfather storm him with the Nazis?
        1. Gul
          Gul
          -1
          8 October 2013 04: 41
          In the Crimean War, for example, the heroes from Sevastopol went for a walk, and the allies, thousands of miles from their countries, limited by contingent, accidentally jumped in and occupied, and even then exchanged it for Kars. And the Rassian kings were formidable, for a couple of years before the Sevastopol pogrom, Nikolashka promised to send doctors in uniform to Paris. As for the shameful surrender in 1942, it is a well-known fact that the most violent patriots, having failed to organize defense, jumped out of the hero city, leaving tens of thousands of rank and file commanders to their own devices, and went to the effective manager to complain about Manstein. So the treacherously abandoned for another three days provided chaotic resistance, absolutely without coordination, ammunition and hope. Even the Germans took Sevastopol in 1918, well, there without special excesses, or rather they stopped the massacre of the creative class, or there’s nothing special to tell .A, they defended the Germans didn’t compare the town in 1944 with scoops, and left beautifully, taking civilians and prisoners of war with them, except that a detachment of cover of several hundred warriors was captured, but they were not able to remove them from the stones in a storm. In general, be proud, I do not mind ...
          1. IGS
            +1
            8 October 2013 06: 54
            You know ... if for you, s..a, sorry the moderator, brought them here
            abandoned for another three days provided chaotic resistance, absolutely without coordination, ammunition and hope
            not heroes ... who fought for more than a month. Who are you? Do you think you'll live forever, or do you think you did, God forgive, people forget? No, honey, it doesn’t happen like that.
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            2. Gul
              Gul
              +1
              9 October 2013 22: 40
              Quote: IGS
              You know ... if for you, s..a, sorry the moderator, brought them here

              My dear, read books at your leisure, but go to Sevastopol, quietly wait at the memorial abandoned by your sailors, enlightenment in a wild little head will come, although it is unlikely that the letter is not fashionable ...
      2. +5
        7 October 2013 20: 45
        Quote: gyl
        from childhood, interested in the facts of glory associated with Sevastopol - what is remarkable in the shameful surrender of the fortress to the most powerful enemies?

        Apparently, you have not yet left childhood. It is because of people like you and those who argue, like you, that Ukraine is not worthy of this city.
    3. 0
      7 October 2013 20: 48
      Quote: Wolf1945
      Be that as it may, Sevastopol is a city of Russian military glory and ALWAYS will be to them!

      I am always jarred and enraged when they say that ... And what to do with those killed Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakhs, Armenians, Georgians and other "non-Russians" who died for the City in all the wars that were fought there? To the dump tries ...? I have a relative from Volyn, my grandfather's brother, according to your logic, "Bandera's" is lying on Sapun-Gora in the grave, he is an ukroid, what is it fashionable to call here, what to do with him?
  16. +5
    7 October 2013 13: 11
    Quote: Wolf1945
    city ​​of Russian military glory


    That's it, it’s unsettling to let them fly away and they can transfer the capital ... the most lions
  17. +13
    7 October 2013 13: 14
    MDA for Ukraine along the armored personnel carrier and a tug is a strategic weapon that changes the balance of power in the region
    1. +2
      7 October 2013 13: 38
      Quote: vadson
      MDA for Ukraine along the armored personnel carrier and a tug is a strategic weapon that changes the balance of power in the region

      What if the tug is a vertical take-off, but the armored personnel carrier is equipped with RSMD? Anything can happen...
    2. Alexander I
      +5
      7 October 2013 13: 44
      In the Baltic states, for example, this fundamentally changes the whole balance of power!
    3. Misantrop
      +6
      7 October 2013 14: 24
      Quote: vadson
      armored personnel carrier and tug is a strategic weapon that changes the balance of power in the region

      Of course, especially the tug. After all, he may try to push the tightly welded ships of the Navy from the piers laughing
      1. 0
        7 October 2013 21: 22
        Yeah, and a mona beter on the Maidan, for example, come, can we really have a healthy grain in their claims? :-)
  18. ptica
    +7
    7 October 2013 13: 24
    I read the text of the Black Sea Fleet agreement. There is a phrase about the prolongation of two agreements (on the rules of deployment and on the division of the fleet) and the payment procedure (something about Naftogaz). Neither in the contract itself, nor in the original contracts of the rules of modernization "class by class", etc. did not see. The Ukrainian side really wanted to create a separate agreement on the procedure for modernization, but did not receive consent to this. I think this is all the fantasy of journalists.
  19. +6
    7 October 2013 13: 29
    we recently had a friend at the dacha (barbecue and all that). and his dog began to throw himself at the guests, even grabbed one of the girls by the trouser leg. I ask: "what is it with him, like there was a cute dog?" and the comrade says: "Well, I don't come here often, I have seen it for a long time .... I didn’t tumble, so it got carried away !!!"
  20. +7
    7 October 2013 13: 31
    a forklift filed a protest note stop
  21. Peaceful military
    +4
    7 October 2013 13: 31
    How disgusting and bitter to observe all this.sadangry
  22. +4
    7 October 2013 13: 35
    Kiev was indignant
    And what did it give him?what
    1. mamba
      +5
      7 October 2013 14: 05
      Quote: retired
      And what did it give him?

      Self-affirmed. There are apparently no other ways.
    2. Gul
      Gul
      -5
      7 October 2013 18: 59
      The result of the diplomatic correspondence - tugboats are withdrawn, but re-opened as if they arrived for repair. Scout naval commanders, mimic ...
  23. +6
    7 October 2013 13: 36
    Crimea was, is and will be Russian.
    1. Gul
      Gul
      0
      8 October 2013 04: 47
      I mean, Chechen? Bo Russia pays tribute to Chechnya. No, I don’t think - the Crimea was purely Donetsk, that’s all, inter-power is over, the Donetsk people are already understanding the Crimeans, they don’t have time to bury Crimean towns.
  24. +9
    7 October 2013 13: 37
    Quote: alexneg
    Sevastopol can automatically transfer to the jurisdiction of Russia and Ukraine will no longer be able to influence this

    Sevastopol alone is not enough. It is necessary to end with ukromarazm throughout the territory of Little Russia, New Russia and the Crimea.

    Ukraine - it’s huts, wattle with pots, watermelon and sunflowers in the garden, vodka and dumplings. And Sevastopol, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Kryvyi Rih, Donetsk, Lugansk, Cherkasy and Kiev are RUSSIA! If someone does not agree - blame for Zbruch. They are waiting for you there. With the orchestra.
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      1. +1
        7 October 2013 22: 14
        Enter the geyropu, you can’t get off the bucket yourself. Already there are such ones, the Balts are called, with their micro-armies and micro-fleet. The same thing awaits you.
    2. Corneli
      +3
      7 October 2013 19: 18
      Quote: Echo
      And Sevastopol, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Kryvyi Rih, Donetsk, Lugansk, Cherkasy and Kiev - It's Russia! If someone does not agree - blame for Zbruch. They are waiting for you there. With the orchestra.

      Born and raised in Kiev, it turns out to be RUSSIA! wassat Here it is! You kindly seem to have a healthier lifestyle, you need to take vitamins, do not write such nonsense. And for no Zbruch, for example, I’m not going to blame), even for the sake of the orchestra. Me and in the capital of Ukraine - Kiev, not bad)
  25. +6
    7 October 2013 13: 42
    Oh, the time will come when Ukraine will crawl on its knees to Russia ... There is a time for everything !!!
    1. Corneli
      +2
      7 October 2013 19: 19
      Quote: slavik_gross
      Oh, the time will come when Ukraine will crawl on its knees to Russia ... There is a time for everything !!!

      But I’m dreaming that I’ll find bucks on the street, and I’ll live ....
      1. 0
        7 October 2013 21: 26
        where in Ukraine millen bucks?
        sorry for the humor, could not resist :-)
        1. Corneli
          +1
          7 October 2013 21: 58
          Quote: vadson
          where in Ukraine millen bucks?
          sorry for the humor, could not resist :-)

          So I say: "I dream."
          P.S. Fun for the sake of money in Ukraine:
          “According to Ukraine’s switchgear, only in 1996-1997, under the guise of paying for Russian natural gas, UESU instead of direct settlements with Gazprom transferred 553 million US dollars, 57 million British pounds sterling, 11 million German marks to United Energy International Limited , 220 million French francs, ”Obihod told the publication. - UESU also unreasonably transferred another 348 million US dollars, 44 million British pounds sterling, 8 million German marks for Russian natural gas abroad. The money settled on the accounts of Corlan Enterprises Limited. " According to Obikhod, only for this short period on Tymoshenko-controlled accounts was 1 billion dollars, "From-UA" reports.

          Moreover, in the income statements for 2005-2010. she is a bum living current on zp (not a little truth):
          So in the CEC (2008), Yulia Tymoshenko handed over a declaration in which only one figure was declared - the salary of the head of government in the amount of 386 thousand 170 hryvnias 42 kopecks. That is, the Ukrainian prime minister receives about 32 thousand monthly.
          The remaining sections of the prime minister in the declaration are empty - she has neither an apartment, nor a car, nor a bank account.

          A woman who goes to work or not daily in a new outfit (Yulia Tymoshenko gives preference to clothes and accessories from the leading trading house Louis Vuitton, to which she treats with special trepidation. The handbag of this company costs an average of $ 2-3 thousand, shoes and dresses - $ 1.5-5 thousand and above) and lives in a luxurious house on the dam (in "Sribnaya Zatoka" cheto like "Rublyovka" current in Kiev), for some reason considers it better to feed people with legends that the whole family looks like money for her dress, but she lives in a house rented either from friends, or from members of the same party, or again bought in a pool by the family.

          So you see, SEW is generally homeless, not a car or a living space ...
          1. +1
            7 October 2013 23: 21
            well, how to say, they provided her with housing
    2. -3
      7 October 2013 23: 19
      the outskirts will not creep
      Quote: slavik_gross
      Oh, the time will come when Ukraine crawls on its knees to Russia
    3. IGS
      +1
      8 October 2013 07: 11
      Be realistic, Ukraine will not creep, at the philistine level, many are for Russia, but their minority is already. They were brainwashed well that corruption and the dominance of thieves in Russia, think about it, Ukrainians say this about us, laughter. Even this is not the point, why Europe Ukraine with all its problems, material, social, national? To make prosperous and united? Well, well .. If she joins, then only some part of her, but God forbid such a split to her.
  26. +2
    7 October 2013 13: 52
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    I read this article recently on a mail, an ordinary Natsik pours slop. Nothing new.

    also the impression that some kind of wrote,
    this is generally enchanting:
    "On September 11, Moscow tried ... to quietly lead another caravan of ships through the sea gates of Ukraine ... the tug" Shakhtar "hastened to bring in tow to the Sevastopol Bay ... the tug SB-4 and the diving ship VM-86."
  27. Pancreas
    +7
    7 October 2013 13: 52
    It is a pity that the lands for which Russia fought went to Ukraine just like that. So much has been invested in Crimea ... Now, everything has been actively privatized by the community ...
    1. Corneli
      +1
      7 October 2013 19: 23
      Quote: Pancreas
      It is a pity that the lands for which Russia fought went to Ukraine just like that. So much has been invested in Crimea ... Now, everything has been actively privatized by the community ...

      You probably haven't seen the palaces of your Russian oligarchs on the South Coast (or are you talking about them?)) Here you can see ... nested, so nested ... sho take from them ... "svidomit" they are ...
  28. HAM
    +2
    7 October 2013 13: 54
    It's all about GAS — you give us 200 gas, and we close our eyes: in my opinion, this is the logic in Kiev.
    1. +1
      8 October 2013 08: 52
      Honestly, the topic of gas has already gotten. Mostly Gazprom shareholders are from him, for example, Miller, for example, something in the form of taxes settles into the budget. And what about the other residents of the Russian Federation? The donut hole, and even nature damage is irreparable. So it turns out that the gas is only partially Russian. And is it worth it, because of this, to break the spears. First, we need to put everything in our place, otherwise we work as the State Department ordered and we believe that everything is in openwork. We can’t put submarines on our fleets. Alrosa does not come out of repair.
  29. +7
    7 October 2013 14: 04
    politicians are such politicians ... sorry, the site does not allow you to call them the word that they deserve
  30. SolomonSS
    +9
    7 October 2013 14: 15
    I don’t understand, okay, politicians share UKRAINE, RUSSIA. And we are in the spirit of one people, for what purpose to share !? Brothers in blood and spirit are Ukrainians, Belarusians, Russians. We need to live together, because together, we are power!
  31. +6
    7 October 2013 14: 15
    But Ukraine is generally aware that it claims to Crimea and Turkey. If there is no presence of the Russian fleet, Turkey will select Crimea. Such an agreement was signed after the war with the Turks.
    1. Akim
      -4
      7 October 2013 14: 54
      Quote: shtanko.49
      And Ukraine in general is aware that in the Crimea and Turkey pretend

      Does Turkey know?
      1. Troy
        +8
        7 October 2013 16: 10
        But Turkey is just in the know. And also to you there are claims to the territory from Romania, Hungary and Poland.
        1. Akim
          -1
          7 October 2013 16: 25
          Quote: Troy
          And also to you there are claims to the territory from Romania, Hungary and Poland.

          From whom? From the same as you members of the forum? Or from petty politicians who want to raise their ratings?
          1. -1
            7 October 2013 20: 40
            The selection of such territories by a country that does not become capable of protecting them is not forgiven even after centuries. And how are you going to defend your territory if developing countries refuse from the military equipment purchased from Ukraine, since you are trying to shave off their used cars and rusty armored personnel carriers? Wait, your "Khrushchev 2015" can sell not only Russian territories, but also Ukrainian ones.
            1. Akim
              -1
              7 October 2013 20: 50
              Quote: shasherin_pavel
              since you are trying to rust them used cars and armored personnel carriers rusty

              Did you see them or documents? What do you talk with your tongue? You need to include your thinker, and not use templates.
      2. Misantrop
        +4
        7 October 2013 16: 41
        Quote: Akim
        Does Turkey know?
        And why would she otherwise SUCH throw money into the Majlis? Nowhere to go, extra finance?
      3. +2
        7 October 2013 17: 22
        The top of the Crimean Majlis is ethnic Turks.
        And the Crimean caliphate has already been openly announced.
        Organized and funded by Turkey.
        1. Akim
          0
          7 October 2013 17: 53
          Quote: Genry
          And the Crimean caliphate has already been openly announced.

          The caliphate is funded by other Arab states through Lebanon, but not Turkey.
          1. Misantrop
            +2
            7 October 2013 18: 54
            Quote: Akim
            The caliphate is funded by other Arab states through Lebanon, but not Turkey.
            And the Majlis is sponsored by Turkey. And Mustafa Dzhemilev - in fact, an ethnic Turk from the Baltic. In his youth, received a sentence for rape and ... became a political dissident
            1. Akim
              0
              7 October 2013 18: 57
              Quote: Misantrop
              And the Majlis sponsors Turkey

              Majlis - yes. Therefore, they are not friends with each other. It is profitable for us.
              1. 0
                7 October 2013 20: 44
                They are not friends among themselves until they have divided Ukrainian territory. But these are two contenders for a tidbit.
                1. Akim
                  0
                  7 October 2013 20: 51
                  Quote: shasherin_pavel
                  They are not friends among themselves until they have divided Ukrainian territory.

                  Oh, how scary! belay
                  1. Misantrop
                    0
                    8 October 2013 00: 02
                    Quote: Akim

                    Oh, how scary! belay
                    Of course, not scary. Until the thunder struck ...
                    1. Akim
                      0
                      8 October 2013 05: 54
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      Of course, not scary. Until the thunder struck ...

                      The Caliphate has a goal to take everything. For less they do not agree. And given the fact that the Arabs do not get along with each other more than with Christians, this can be played on. It’s forbidden and dispersed - then it’s for sure that in your Crimea there will be manifestations of extremism.
                      1. Misantrop
                        -1
                        8 October 2013 10: 34
                        Quote: Akim
                        And given the fact that the Arabs do not get along with each other more than with Christians, this can be played on.
                        I am amazed, because, it seems, not a child. You can play it? Awesome toys - Iraq, Libya, now - Syria and in the future - Iran. And the United States with Israel as players in this sandbox. Is there a firm belief that for these lascivious tomboys Ukraine is just a game friend, and not just another Easter cake? Or are there serious arguments behind you that can constrain the dispersed players? And what, do not tell? UN? So they wipe this piece of paper ... request And, perhaps, the latest AUGs of Ukrainian production are already leaving the shipyards of Nikolaev? lol
                      2. Akim
                        +1
                        8 October 2013 10: 52
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        Awesome toys - Iraq, Libya, now - Syria and in the future - Iran

                        No, let's transfer them to a point outside the law, then we really get terrorists on the territory. As long as they are legal, it is easier to fight them. They will not go anywhere. They will become radicals, they will secretly hold meetings and you’ll know what the hell they are talking about. There is no official party in Ukraine.
                        In Russia, Ab Ut Tahrir is prohibited. So what helped? Many times more mercenaries or followers of radical Islam are now in Syria from there. This is not an option. Yes, you have to play with them. but don't flirt. It is necessary to replay the enemy. For example. Radio game - no one calls a toy.
                      3. Misantrop
                        0
                        8 October 2013 12: 42
                        Quote: Akim
                        No, let's transfer them to a point outside the law, then we really get terrorists on the territory. As long as they are legal, it is easier to fight them. They will not go anywhere.
                        Yesterday in Simferopol, right in the center of the city, these Tahrir protesters held a rally. It is completely legal and legal. Learned the authorities what's next? Now only Al Qaeda has to legalize, maybe they will also find out. And then you can wait for the democratic bombers, since all the locations are known ...
                        Quote: Akim
                        They will become radicals, they will secretly hold meetings and you’ll know what the hell they are talking about.
                        And the FUCK in Ukraine SBU of such a size, if the news from the radicals can be found ONLY at rallies?
    2. vkrav
      0
      7 October 2013 23: 57
      Quote: shtanko.49
      . Such an agreement was signed after the war with the Turks.

      According to the Kuchuk-Kainardzhi peace treaty, Crimea cannot belong to third parties --- only Russia or Turkey ... But with nuclear disarmament of Ukraine, the United States and Russia guaranteed its territorial integrity ...
  32. +8
    7 October 2013 14: 16
    Ukrainian government behaves ugly irresponsibly !!! Themselves in which case the RUSSIAN CRIMEA, from the Turks and other NATO, will not be able to protect and the Black Sea Fleet is not allowed to prepare. Two tugboats and an armored personnel carrier caused trembling knees ... morally inadequate people.
  33. a boat
    -12
    7 October 2013 14: 27
    Quote: alexneg
    Ukraine will finish badly, as it itself violates, and very strongly, the previously signed agreement. But in the event of an unfriendly attitude of Ukraine towards Russia (entry into an alliance with NATO), Sevastopol may automatically pass into the jurisdiction of Russia and Ukraine will no longer be able to influence this. This is what the authorities of the "Square" are most afraid of.

    IF UKRAINE ENTERS NATO, RUSSIAN SEAFARERS WILL LEAVE HOME BY TRAIN! WELL NOW WAITING FOR YOUR MINUSES (WEB SITE RUSSIAN) BUT ALLY IN UKRAINE PERSON LOST YOU
    1. +4
      7 October 2013 14: 38
      Quote: gych
      IF UKRAINE ENTERS NATO, RUSSIAN SEAFARERS WILL LEAVE HOME BY TRAIN!

      Bu ha ha, from a dreamer. You will sweat to wait for this day. tongue
    2. +7
      7 October 2013 14: 56
      Why are you happy, but they forgot about the Tatars. Who the gentlemen will stay with, and whether it will remain a big question if Russia leaves the Crimea. And you have not grown to the minus.
    3. +4
      7 October 2013 16: 05
      If Ukraine joins NATO, Ukrainian authorities in Crimea will go home to Lviv in zinc coffins
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      1. Corneli
        -1
        7 October 2013 19: 26
        Quote: Troy
        Have you got out under the Icelandic flag? Where is ...... yellow?

        And in the ban? Or ho discuss about the colors of the Russian flag?
    5. -2
      7 October 2013 16: 30
      such allies need to be driven by a filthy broom! he is a thief!
      1. -2
        8 October 2013 07: 27
        Quote: slav4ikus
        such allies need to be driven by a filthy broom! he is a thief!


        +

        these * wounded "allys" are so accustomed to living for free that they have destroyed everything that is possible in their suburbs, degraded so much that they gradually began to sell land to foreigners just to fill their pockets
    6. -2
      7 October 2013 20: 51
      Ally! And in what way is this union expressed: "We give you gas - you are in our eye"? Oh, what passions: "Russia, I joined NATO!" "But why is this being done ?! Yesterday he crap, today he entered the shit!"
    7. -3
      7 October 2013 22: 29
      You, my friend, thought what you said? NATO will not accept Ukraine. Russia will not give, since it will not leave Sevastopol. NATO will not seek conflict with Russia, too much will be at stake, markets will be covered and without gas, all the more in Ukraine there is a collapse of industry, you will also need to be fed. They have already pierced with the Balts.
    8. 0
      8 October 2013 01: 11
      The TC is particularly interesting in the text of the association agreement between the European Union and Ukraine.
      DESIRING to achieve closer convergence of positions on bilateral, regional and international issues of mutual interest, taking into account the EU Common Foreign and Security Policy (CFSP), including the Joint Security and Defense Policy (SPBO)
      Article 4 Objectives of the political dialogue.
      Article 7 Foreign and security policies, Article 10 Conflict prevention, crisis management and military-technical cooperation.
    9. -2
      12 October 2013 14: 35
      Did Russia add up ?! Well, you’re the only one ... Let’s drop everything, but remember the lesson of the RUSSIAN EMPEROR to the main Chechen Shamil: YOU WILL LOOK AT THE GLOBE. And your brains are a pity frankly - ek washed them ...
  34. uncapital
    +11
    7 October 2013 14: 36
    The article is complete nonsense, by the author the problem is sucked from the finger. This topic does not even deserve attention. Another thing is that some members of the forum have really forgotten that, with all due respect to Russian weapons, traditions and everything related to Crimea for Russia, Crimea is the territory of Ukraine !!! Nice to read it and realize it or not, but it is. The calls they say "We will win OUR Crimea" are just cheap declarations. History has no subjunctive mood. What right does Russia have to seize part of the territory of a neighboring state, where, by the way, the same Slavs live? let's live in peace drinks
    1. Misantrop
      +3
      7 October 2013 16: 44
      Quote: non-captain
      What right does Russia have to seize part of the territory of a neighboring state, where, by the way, the same Slavs live?
      Legally - and in fact it doesn’t. BUT, it has the FULL RIGHT to return its lands (together with the population) in the event of the complete collapse of the Ukrainian government and the collapse of the territory into warring enclaves
      1. -1
        7 October 2013 21: 02
        When the USSR returned Western Ukraine to them, Ukraine made no claims to the RSFSR for Poland's rights to this territory. Or it can hint to Poland that we will not object to the return of "Ukrainian Poland" - according to the Political Dictionary of 1928 - when the Ukrainians were the largest of the nat. minorities in Poland 19% of all nat. minorities, Belarusians - 6%. and it was 57% of the entire territory of Poland = 216 sq. km. Or do you think we were forgiven and forgotten? Although to us now what claims can be?
        1. Akim
          0
          7 October 2013 21: 08
          Quote: shasherin_pavel
          that we will not object to the return of "Ukrainian Poland"

          And Germany will demand from Poland its territory, which it got after the 45 year.
          1. +1
            7 October 2013 22: 35
            Quote: Akim
            And Germany will demand from Poland its territory, which it got after the 45 year.

            How were the Swedes of the Kem Volost once? laughing
            1. Akim
              -1
              7 October 2013 22: 41
              Quote: Corsair
              How were the Swedes of the Kem Volost once?

              That's it. Why do some people like fantasy?
              1. -2
                7 October 2013 23: 10
                Quote: Akim
                That's it. Why do some people like fantasy?

                "Fantasy" is somewhat from another "opera" (not a browser laughing ).
                1. Akim
                  -1
                  7 October 2013 23: 22
                  Quote: Corsair
                  "Fantasy", this is somewhat from another "opera"

                  Now, they do not communicate except in their own homeland, but are sure that they know everything. Chauvinism never brought to good. If only we could talk to the Poles. Or because of contempt for the nation disdain. They think that modern Russia will save everyone. Only this is not holy Russia for a long time and not an Orthodox empire. This is as vile as Ukraine is.
                  1. +3
                    7 October 2013 23: 37
                    Quote: Akim
                    This is as vile as Ukraine is.

                    Be careful in the definitions ...
                    Be quiet about Russia and, but about the "vileness of the Ukrainian government" (namely the POWER, not the people) we can talk.
                    1. Akim
                      0
                      7 October 2013 23: 45
                      Quote: Corsair
                      Keep quiet about Russia and, but about the "vileness of the Ukrainian government" (namely the POWER, not the people) we can talk

                      Well, to begin with, do not confuse the concept of "country" and "state". And if he talks about these or those gnuses in the form of authorities, nothing will change. Neither you nor I will reveal anything new about them to each other.
                      1. -2
                        7 October 2013 23: 59
                        Quote: Akim
                        Well, to begin with, do not confuse the concept of "country" and "state".

                        The concepts of "state" and "country" should be separated in the "clinical" case with Ukraine.

                        What the STATE does in the country of Russia, with one measure or another of approval or denial, in general finds a positive response within the country, recently as well abroad (thanks to a number of laws adopted by the Russian Federation, its efforts to maintain peace and initiatives to bring the world economy out of crisis)
                      2. +1
                        8 October 2013 13: 10
                        Quote: Corsair
                        The concepts of "state" and "country" should be separated in the "clinical" case with Ukraine.

                        And here are the "minus players" pulled up!
                        Do you want a Panov, to argue their actions ???
                      3. Misantrop
                        0
                        8 October 2013 13: 22
                        Quote: Corsair
                        to argue their actions ???
                        Now they will tell you about a cow crowing on a red rag laughing
                      4. 0
                        8 October 2013 13: 35
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        Now they will tell you about a cow crowing on a red rag

                        Greetings! Do you know ... I won’t be surprised request laughing
  35. +5
    7 October 2013 14: 47
    Quote: Bronis
    Patriotic, but legally unfounded. There is no legal basis for such a transition. Crimea is a part of Ukraine on the basis of autonomy rights. Based on national legislation, a referendum will be needed. But in practice, all this is rather complicated and unrealistic. And there can be no question of an automatic transfer to the "jurisdiction" of Russia in the event of joining NATO.

    In the world, there is not and will not be anything permanent! Southeast of Ukraine, was and remains a territory that was "assigned" to Ukraine in violation of the current Constitution of the USSR. Subsequently, the Belovezhskaya Agreements in Article 1 recorded that the High Contracting Parties form the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS). Where is this Commonwealth, or am I misunderstanding the derived root of this word?
    Further, on December 5, Kravchuk announced that Ukraine would denounce the 1922 treaty on the creation of the USSR, i.e. renounces the agreement "On the formation of the USSR". They also denounced the flag in their hands, the rejection of the Treaty actually returns the parties to the framework of the existence of the state before its signing! No agreement - no Khrushchev transfer of Crimea!
    The second long-standing question is the territory of Donbass and the southern regions to Crimea, which were not part of Ukraine, before their occupation by the Germans in 1918 - in fact, the entire left bank, from Kharkov to Kherson. This happened by agreement between the Germans and the Ukrainian government, which hoped to tear these lands away from Russia. The Red Army of Donbass defended these territories, and in the same 1919, the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic was formed on this territory. It was liquidated on February 17, 1919, when the resolution of the Defense Council of the RSFSR "On the liquidation of the Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic" was adopted. Note, the RSFSR is its territory and jurisprudence.

    In general, for the Ukrainian elite, which considers itself a political elite, Crimea is a Trojan horse of Russia. They understand this well, and therefore they are jerking, warming up the Majlis and nationalists in every possible way, because they have no other tool to influence the Russian mood.

    I would undoubtedly receive a Russian passport, remaining to live on the historical territory of Russia and I think I'm not the last. Some refer to the laws of Ukraine on the impossibility of having dual citizenship, but then why practically all deputies of the Rada and senior officials in the state have dual and triple citizenship? Or for the elite and cattle different standards?
  36. +6
    7 October 2013 15: 07
    Objectively speaking, for voters in the south-east of Ukraine, Yanukovych himself and his team also turned out to be the Trojan horse of nationalists and the West!
  37. +1
    7 October 2013 15: 37
    Russia is rearming the Black Sea Fleetviolating agreements with Ukraine

    Another example of violation of bilateral agreements on the Black Sea Fleet was the illegal entry into Ukraine of a new vessel of the Black Sea Fleet. At the end of April from Novorossiysk to Sevastopol came the raid tug of the new generation RB-389.

    Subsequently, it turned out that the Russian side was preparing the operation to ferry the new floating craft to the main base of the Black Sea Fleet, bypassing the basic agreements on the Black Sea Fleet in advance: even in Novorossiysk, the inscription "Sevastopol" was imprinted on the stern of the tug as a home port. (wow, WHAT A SPECIAL OPERATION!)

    quietly lead through the sea gate of Ukraine another caravan of ships of the Black Sea Fleet... On this day, the rescue tug "Shakhtar" hastened to bring two more auxiliary floating facilities of the Black Sea Fleet in tow to the Sevastopol naval base - the rescue tug SB-4 and diving vessel BM-86. Both towed vessels are assigned to Novorossiysk.

    Frigates of the Navy of the People's Liberation Army of China (Navy PLA) on a visit to about. Malta, Mediterranean Sea, 2013 year
  38. Dmitry Zurn
    +4
    7 October 2013 15: 53
    Legally, Sevastopol was a city of Union subordination, like Moscow and Leningrad. Formally, it was not transferred to the Ukrainian SSR along with the Crimea.
  39. pahom54
    +5
    7 October 2013 16: 16
    The controversy on the site is similar to the controversy of our politicians. Well, just like in a kindergarten !!!
    The ambitions of Ukrainian politicians come down to the fact that I want to receive prizes ... Soon, God forbid, a new or new carrier from Novorossiysk will be delivered - there will also be hype ...
    I understand this: the Russian fleet rents some territory (water area), pays for it, does not violate the environment - well, don’t bother to get into its internal affairs.
    And as for the so-called lease, one can also say: well, cast aside children's ambitions and think sensibly - well, after all, Crimea in general and Sevastopol in particular found itself in the jurisdiction of Ukraine not so much because of Khrushchev’s whim, and specifically - when drunk during the partition of the USSR. EBN, consider, sold Crimea to Ukraine for a bottle.
    If someone thinks that Crimea is not Russian, I will ask the question: who conquered it in due time? Was it not Peter, and then Catherine? And if the conquest of Crimea is reproached with Russia, then I have never heard that Ukraine decided to correct the historical "misunderstanding" and give Crimea to the same Turkey ...
    It’s clear when politicians squabble and come up with reasons to at least infringe on the other side, but from Ukraine, in this case, claims to Russia are simply ridiculous.
    Guys, let's not bark at least on these pages, leave it to politicians ...
  40. Ruslan_F38
    +2
    7 October 2013 16: 17
    Crimea, Sevastopol is Russian land and we should not report to anyone. As many as we want, we will place as many ships there. Who does not like it - whine silently aside. And then to ourselves, or even return Crimea and Sevastopol to Russia.
    1. Corneli
      -2
      7 October 2013 19: 34
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      Crimea, Sevastopol is Russian land and we should not report to anyone.

      You must also report whether you like it or not.
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      As many as we want, we will place as many ships there.

      More than fit into the bay or is in the Russian Federation Navy do not place)
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      Who doesn't like it - silently whinese aside.

      Silently whining it how? Teach ...
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      otherwise we will return Crimea and Sevastopol to Russia.

      If you read all those promises about "taking away" Crimea and the desire of indigenous Crimeans to enter the Russian Federation, which I read here today, it is strange that Crimea and Sevastopol are Ukrainian. But they are Ukrainian, this is a fact, and what you write is only your subjective opinion and nothing more.
      1. 0
        7 October 2013 21: 39
        Two in history!
        1. Corneli
          -4
          7 October 2013 22: 06
          Quote: PCTRL
          Two in history!

          And to whom did you unsubscribe it?) To which post is this comment?
          P.S. The new twinko-uchetka, the current of the sediment is registered, to create extras?
  41. +4
    7 October 2013 17: 07
    and machines can not be replaced with new ones? maybe recruits can not be sent instead of demobilized?
  42. +4
    7 October 2013 17: 13
    Quote: Bronis
    But in practice, all this is quite complicated and unrealistic.


    if in 1985, for example, you were told that the Baltic states will soon be in NATO, and Ukraine as a separate state
    you would not even say unrealistic, and what type: you would be a citizen to a psychiatrist ....
    1. Akim
      +4
      7 October 2013 17: 55
      Quote: nod739
      if in 1985, for example, you were told that the Baltic states will soon be in NATO, and Ukraine as a separate state

      And also. that Georgia will fight with Russia.
      1. 0
        7 October 2013 19: 47
        Georgia did not fight with Russia, they just fools obeyed America, attacked the Russian military contingent in South Ossetia. And Russia, so that everyone, around the world, would understand that it was IMPOSSIBLE to offend the Russian army, even abroad, against Georgia with the sole purpose of giving an indicative lesson. And then withdrew its troops from near Tbilisi, but left, in spite of Georgia, in South Ossetia.
        1. Akim
          0
          7 October 2013 20: 34
          Quote: Алексей_К
          give a demonstration lesson. And then withdrew its troops from near Tbilisi,

          There's a murky story than they tell you. But essentially it was a Russian-Georgian conflict.
          1. +1
            7 October 2013 22: 44
            Quote: Akim
            There's a murky story than they tell you. But essentially it was a Russian-Georgian conflict.

            Dig deeper: ACTUALLY Russian-American ...
  43. +4
    7 October 2013 17: 27
    Kiev was indignant and demanded that the illegal caravan leave Ukrainian territorial waters

    laughing The dog barks and the caravan moves on.
  44. +2
    7 October 2013 17: 29
    I wonder how long this ukrohemorrhoid will last with our fleet? It is clear that Ukraine will never leave the Russian Black Sea Fleet alone. Why give her such a trump card? I understand, it's expensive, I understand, it's difficult, but if Russia wants to have a fleet in the Black Sea, if it wants to really use it in the region, then it needs to completely withdraw the fleet from Sevastopol. To Novorossiysk. Otherwise, we will never get rid of all sorts of restrictions and conditions that will always be locked into "give me money, eh?" ...
  45. +2
    7 October 2013 17: 32
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    Crimea, Sevastopol is Russian land and we should not report to anyone. As many as we want, we will place as many ships there. Who does not like it - whine silently aside. And then to ourselves, or even return Crimea and Sevastopol to Russia.


    Yes, a lot of blood was shed for the Crimea and Sevastopol. somehow it just turns out, they won back from the Turks, and the third state, Ukraine, has jurisdiction over them.

    but scream that As many as we want, we will place as many ships there. not true
    The base and fleet are in accordance with the agreement between the two countries. point- everything is governed by this contract.

    and if we return it, we need to work on holding a referendum in the future, the outcome of which will suit the Russian Federation ... well, or something like that
  46. Ash
    Ash
    0
    7 October 2013 17: 43
    Fucking Khrushchev
    1. -2
      7 October 2013 19: 30
      This is not Khrushchev to blame, this drunk Yeltsin is to blame. Khrushchev gave the Odessa region and Crimea not to the state of Ukraine, but to the republic. In tsarist Russia and the republic was not like that. And if the agreement says something about the borders, then we can talk about the borders within which Ukraine became part of tsarist Russia. Just lawyers have not yet finished, or our rulers do not want to do this. Fucking, unfortunately, either lived or live in Russia!
      1. Akim
        +1
        7 October 2013 19: 53
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Khrushchev gave the Odessa region and Crimea not to the state of Ukraine, but to the republic.

        I’m already used to the fairy tale about the present by Crimea Khrushchem, but about the Odessa region this is something new.
    2. +1
      7 October 2013 21: 22
      Quote: Ash
      Fucking Khrushchev

      On February 19 of 1954, a decree was issued on the transfer of the Crimean region to Ukraine. Today, many believe that Khrushchev on behalf of Russia made a royal gift to Ukraine. Nevertheless, the decree was signed by the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR Voroshilov, and Khrushchev’s signature in the documents relating to the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine is not at all.
      This is true, for your information ... In general, ask why Crimea was transferred to Ukraine at one time. There is only an economic background. And no politics.
  47. +4
    7 October 2013 17: 47
    But in general it’s time to slam this Zionist project to divide our people and country into Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians. You can start with Sevastopol.
    1. -1
      7 October 2013 19: 39
      In fact, before the Russo-Turkish wars of the 17 and 18 centuries, Ukraine was independent, but in a slave state among the Turks (the Ottoman Empire).
  48. +1
    7 October 2013 18: 09
    Sorry, I didn’t just want to say that Russia has its own interests and it pleases that politicians finally understood that, in addition to friends who are worse than enemies, the country has certain interests and ambitions. By the way, pay attention to the Baltic states, Ukraine and the like. how much dirt has poured out our country? And ours still remain true to the old oath. Well, here is the result when the friends turned away, we somehow have to take care of ourselves, which we do ...
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    1. Akim
      +2
      7 October 2013 19: 23
      Quote: Алексей_К
      We have no time to fight NATO. Or maybe we will sign a Ribentrop agreement and divide you, so buy Vaseline while it's cheap!

      Do you have problems with sex? It’s sad. sad
  50. +1
    7 October 2013 19: 36
    Sevastopol was and will be Russian .. and not just namely the base of the Navy of the Navy and the Navy and the resort will not allow the resort to turn it into a beach museum (and already bases and airfields are overgrown with grass to the delight of some ..)
  51. +2
    7 October 2013 19: 43
    To be honest, I didn’t understand anything in the article...Russia agreed to actually preserve the current state of the group in Sevastopol without any modernization? What difference does it make which armored personnel carrier will be written off and which will be put into operation? And why can Ukraine monitor the qualitative state of the group?
  52. 0
    7 October 2013 19: 45
    The hysterical screams amused me, the kindergarten was clean. I didn’t see the main problem - the circumstances were such that, regardless of the cries of various etiologies, the Black Sea Fleet needs to diversify its base locations - it is clear that Sevastopol is very convenient (well, hysterics about belonging to Sevastopol), but the base in Novorossiysk needs to be built faster, although it is inconvenient it, and to settle somewhere else - Sukhumi, according to strong childhood memories, is quite suitable (also not Russia, but as a palliative...), if there are other options, it would be better to discuss them. And these mutual stupidities... Like children, by God...
    1. 0
      7 October 2013 21: 37
      That's right! Why not have a discussion? Let's imagine a naval base in Gelendzhik, with a railway and runway nearby. Yes, and people will flock to the fleet; near the Baltic, even the Zubr MDKVP did not scare the beachgoers, but here the sailors on leave generally have a lot of work to do. fellow
      We’ll tell environmentalists straight away that it won’t get any worse - and so during the season the sea is diluted in half with urine. hi
  53. Troy
    +1
    7 October 2013 19: 48
    Come on, this Ukraine. Let them do what they want. But! He who does not study history cannot influence the future. And history has already taught them a lesson in the form of Polish lords, and will teach them again. There is only one thing that infuriates us: when they start asking for help, our compassionate government will help at our expense. I would send it.
  54. sxn278619
    +2
    7 October 2013 19: 52
    [No NATO in sight for Ukraine,[/quote]
    Countries on whose territory there are foreign bases (not NATO ones) are not accepted into NATO.
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  57. 0
    7 October 2013 21: 20
    What guys, did you get angry at one armored personnel carrier?

    Soon you will find fault with the fact that the sailors wear the wrong caps, and in the naval galleys they cook coca borscht, similar to the Ukrainian one.

    And what about the rescue tugs, why did they bother you so much? What if you need help yourself?
    And how did this scribbler turn his tongue about Ukrainian territorial waters in the primordially Russian maritime Sevastopol?

    I would like to know from the pros which ...... prepared the text of these Russian-Ukrainian agreements, that we are now slurping up this black stuff
  58. HAM
    0
    7 October 2013 21: 35
    Time heals: it will heal me, and it will heal you...
  59. 0
    7 October 2013 21: 43
    Give Ukrainians the right to a second citizenship and then history itself will judge whether the Black Sea Fleet is interfering with Ukraine and whether it needs the EU?
  60. -2
    7 October 2013 22: 06
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: vkrav
    . The entire economy of the city rests on the Navy and naval enterprises, as these are the only places where salaries are paid steadily.

    Here you have been given "candy" and you are ready to talk about only one thing. Sevastopol is a specific city. All his life he was tied to the navy and it is natural that he gives life to the city. And you can not tell me about the lands. I myself make my way to the beaches with a fight. But know how to separate flies from cutlets, and not vilify everyone and everything.

    There are too many of you. The Cossack has been sent! How many of you Akimovs are there (x oh li, chi 3,14ndosi).
    1. Akim
      -1
      7 October 2013 22: 18
      Quote: PCTRL
      The Cossack has been sent!

      Someone once told me this at work. Only you don't understand. I am neither for the Reds nor for the Whites, I am for the TRUTH. What many people don’t like and replace with concepts or values, it still won’t go away.
      1. +2
        7 October 2013 23: 18
        Quote: PCTRL
        The Cossack has been sent!


        Quote: Akim
        Someone once told me this at work.

        Not in an organized crime group by any chance? laughing
        1. Akim
          0
          7 October 2013 23: 32
          Quote: Corsair
          OPG

          Expand pzh.
          1. 0
            7 October 2013 23: 41
            Quote: Akim
            Expand pzh.

            "OCG" - organized criminal group lol
            1. Akim
              +2
              7 October 2013 23: 53
              Quote: Corsair
              organized crime group

              Nope. This is aerobatics. I'm not Dan from Capercaillie. I would not be able to do such a task.
              1. +1
                8 October 2013 00: 04
                Quote: Akim
                Nope. This is aerobatics. I'm not Dan from Capercaillie. I would not be able to do such a task.

                + for a healthy sense of humor...
  61. -2
    7 October 2013 22: 17
    Quote: Corneli
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    Crimea, Sevastopol is Russian land and we should not report to anyone.

    You must also report whether you like it or not.
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    As many as we want, we will place as many ships there.

    More than fit into the bay or is in the Russian Federation Navy do not place)
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    Who doesn't like it - silently whinese aside.

    Silently whining it how? Teach ...
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    otherwise we will return Crimea and Sevastopol to Russia.

    If you read all those promises about "taking away" Crimea and the desire of indigenous Crimeans to enter the Russian Federation, which I read here today, it is strange that Crimea and Sevastopol are Ukrainian. But they are Ukrainian, this is a fact, and what you write is only your subjective opinion and nothing more.

    Quote: Corneli
    Quote: PCTRL
    Two in history!

    And to whom did you unsubscribe it?) To which post is this comment?
    P.S. The new twinko-uchetka, the current of the sediment is registered, to create extras?

    You guessed it, you. And, no need to act like a fool.
    1. Corneli
      0
      8 October 2013 00: 42
      Quote: PCTRL
      You guessed it, you. And, no need to act like a fool.

      Then your post is meaningless) And judging by the minuses, with the account it hit the eye, not the eyebrow))) But it’s a sin to be offended by the truth!
  62. -2
    7 October 2013 22: 22
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: PCTRL
    The Cossack has been sent!

    Someone once told me this at work. Only you don't understand. I am neither for the Reds nor for the Whites, I am for the TRUTH. What many people don’t like and replace with concepts or values, it still won’t go away.

    Then you are simply ignorant for ignoring hundreds of years of history. Or paid for the “correct” comments.
    1. Akim
      0
      7 October 2013 22: 32
      Quote: PCTRL
      just ignore hundreds of years of history. Or paid for the “correct” comments

      I already make good money. This is my opinion and it has not changed depending on the direction of the work. As for history, we will not change it, but we also need to interpret it correctly. History has different angles.
      1. -1
        7 October 2013 22: 38
        You wanted to say that the story is one, but it can be interpreted in different ways!
        It’s clear to me that you’re a Cossack. By the way, there are fewer and fewer people like you who are fucking brains on the Internet. They must have started paying poorly! wink
        1. Akim
          +3
          7 October 2013 22: 44
          Quote: PCTRL
          By the way, there are fewer and fewer people like you, f-..b..t brains

          Conversation is over! I don’t see the point in communicating with a boor.
        2. Corneli
          +1
          8 October 2013 00: 48
          Quote: PCTRL
          It’s clear to me that you’re a Cossack. By the way, there are fewer and fewer people like you who are fucking brains on the Internet.

          Yes, there are normal, adult people who know something, have their own opinion and are not afraid to express it, like Akim... there are fewer and fewer... But there are pretentious clowns who write from leftist (new) accounts like shit... in bulk .
          Quote: PCTRL
          They must have started paying poorly! wink

          Akim lives in impoverished Ukraine, they don’t pay here) But looking at how you are puffing yourself up from rich Russia, the question of payment immediately arises in full force)
  63. Jib
    Jib
    +1
    7 October 2013 22: 23
    Quote: kris

    The city of RUSSIAN sailors!

    You're right. Sevastopol HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND IS A RUSSIAN city. Even if it’s on the territory of Ukraine. Sevastopol is a stake in the ass of EuroGamers and Mazeppa who are at the trough of the Ukrainian government. If you want to know how people breathe and live in a populated area, go to the market or to a football match when the local team is playing. In the first case, the aunts will open their eyes, in the second, everyone else.
    The FC Sevastop team plays in the Ukrainian Premier League, unfortunately not always successfully. But the stadium for 5000, with a tail of spectators, and nearby heights (including the foot of the Malakhov Kurgan) was always filled with 100 Sevastopol residents during home matches. You can hear them singing and cheering on the outer roadstead.
  64. 0
    7 October 2013 22: 28
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Алексей_К
    Khrushchev gave the Odessa region and Crimea not to the state of Ukraine, but to the republic.

    I’m already used to the fairy tale about the present by Crimea Khrushchem, but about the Odessa region this is something new.

    Judging by the illiteracy, it’s just a carbonated pussy!
    1. Akim
      -1
      7 October 2013 22: 39
      Quote: PCTRL
      just a carbonated pussy!

      Well, if you contact me, then obviously you from Northern Palmyra know everything about Southern Palmyra. Then take your fake history books and shove them into a dark and smelly place.
      1. -1
        7 October 2013 23: 00
        But you simply didn’t have them in the 90s. It's a pity! At least read the Soviet encyclopedia, you idiot of the nineties. Don’t confuse it with Wikipedia, or any other US Pedia. When you grow wiser, we'll talk. I ask from a human perspective, don’t bother the people more about independence (and other joys of the hegemon of democracy). drinks
        1. Akim
          -2
          7 October 2013 23: 06
          Quote: PCTRL
          At least read the Soviet encyclopedia, you idiot of the nineties

          Go away!
        2. Corneli
          -1
          8 October 2013 00: 52
          Quote: PCTRL
          When you grow wiser, we'll talk.

          Just a demigod came down to talk to us wassat Not a single post on the topic, not a single “clever” thought, just rants and insults. Who is the owner of the miracle? laughing
  65. 0
    7 October 2013 23: 11
    What are you minus? Great news.
  66. USMC
    -1
    7 October 2013 23: 23
    off topic, but still: are there still Russian knights left on their father’s land?
    py.sy. I really liked Saturday boxing!)
    1. Troy
      0
      8 October 2013 06: 03
      Come, ask and, as M. Zadornov said, you won’t have time to put a smiley face.
      1. Akim
        0
        8 October 2013 06: 22
        Quote: Troy
        as M. Zadornov said, you won’t have time to put a smiley face.

        Well, if we quote him, then the one who has accumulated God is a hero (aka a knight) and a jock who hits a “smiley” are two big differences.
      2. USMC
        -1
        8 October 2013 11: 43
        Quote: Troy
        Come, ask and, as M. Zadornov said, you won’t have time to put a smiley face.

        especially in Moscow, right? where guests from the south are already commanding the parade
  67. netishunUA
    +1
    8 October 2013 01: 41
    People, wake up. Why so much hatred?
    Lord, a new generation has grown up that hates its brother more than an enemy
    1. USMC
      -1
      8 October 2013 11: 46
      Quote: netishunUA
      Lord, a new generation has grown up that hates its brother more than an enemy

      I DO NOT hate Russians, but I don’t consider them brothers either! For me the Poles are big brothers. and I don’t consider the West enemies
  68. +1
    8 October 2013 01: 41
    Friendship, cooperation and partnership agreement between
    Russian Federation and Ukraine

    Article 6

    Each of the High Contracting Parties refrains from participating in or supporting any actions directed against the other High Contracting Party and undertakes not to conclude any agreements with third countries directed against the other Party. Neither Party will also allow its territory to be used to the detriment of the security of the other Party.

    Article 13

    The High Contracting Parties shall develop equal and mutually beneficial economic cooperation and refrain from actions that could cause economic damage to each other. For these purposes, recognizing the need for the gradual formation and development of a common economic space by creating conditions for the free movement of goods, services, capital and labor, the Parties are taking effective measures to agree on a strategy for implementing economic reforms, deepening economic integration on the basis of mutual benefit, and harmonizing economic legislation .

    The High Contracting Parties will ensure a wide exchange of economic information and access to it for enterprises, entrepreneurs and scientists of both Parties.

    The parties will strive to harmonize their financial, monetary, budget, currency, investment, price, tax, trade and economic, as well as customs policies, to create equal opportunities and guarantees for business entities, and will promote the formation and development of direct economic and trade relations at all levels, specialization and cooperation of technologically related industries, enterprises, associations, corporations, banks, manufacturers and consumers of products. The High Contracting Parties will contribute to the preservation and development, on a mutually beneficial basis, of industrial and scientific-technical cooperation between industrial enterprises in the development and production of modern high-tech products, including products for defense needs.
  69. Igor62
    0
    8 October 2013 02: 04
    Quote: Kosatka
    You're right. Nothing new. This hysteria, led by the most "fat Ukrainians", has been going on for 20 years. The pressure on the Russian Black Sea Fleet comes in all directions (and successfully, with the support of those in power who hold the ass from Kiev). But they themselves perfectly understand that they are playing with fire. If Russia does not back down, in this situation, Crimea may leave Ukraine together with the Black Sea Fleet.
    Now there is a powerful information war that Russia is losing. At times, it seems that the West has muddied Syria in order to divert the forces and means of the Russian Federation from Ukraine, and later when Ukraine gets stuck in the EuroGey Union, finish Syria.
  70. Gul
    Gul
    -1
    8 October 2013 05: 21
    The leadership of Ukraine does not hide at all that the presence of the Russian Fleet is a temporary and irritating factor, caused only by the internal policy of the Russian leadership - the fleet has no military significance, but how can one explain to the Russians. To patriots like Kadyrov, almost abandoning Sevastopol is like declaring the demise of the latest attempts to revive the Soviet Union. But the Ukrainian authorities are stubborn - if they are stuck until 2017, we will not allow the fleet to develop, replacing vessels according to the principle of “type for type, class for class,” you will rot, bitches, in the water area. In 2010, the Kharkov agreements on extending stay in exchange for gas happened. But, it seems, somewhere your guys screwed up ours, and, as one of the methods of influence, Ukraine again blocked the rearmament of the fleet. Yes, I repeat, but Crimea today is not pro-Russian, Tatar or Turkish - it is purely Donetsk, and the boys are not collecting profits from to share it neither with the Russian admiral generals, nor with the local bandits - they don’t have time to bury the mayors of the Crimean towns, otherwise they were very good boys. Well, there are not many Crimean pro-Russians in Crimea, look at the elections, but if they bark, the Donetsk people will carry out an execution, these are not idiotic orange ones, the Donetsk ones hit hard, but for sure, just like Klitschko. Yes, and Yanuk will terminate the Kharkov agreement, well, he’s a scam, the boys are on him They laugh that the nerd Dimon made him look like the last sucker, they will stick out the Rosflot.
  71. +1
    8 October 2013 08: 40
    The tactics and strategy of the Ukrainian authorities are a kind of cheap, slutty twisting of dead-end temporary workers. Despite all the historical evidence of the presence of signs of external amersionist control of the process, attempts to babble about some kind of “independence” diagnose weak-minded methods of diverting attention (from internal problems associated with the beginning of the implementation of plans to destroy Ukraine) by creating the image of an external enemy in the person of Russia (obviously already not on the same scale as before, subject to overseas orders). It is a pity that, against the backdrop of the reviving hope in Russia for the restoration of its former greatness, Ukraine, as an ethno-Slavic entity, through the efforts of Western “partners” is deprived of prospects for any significance, let alone something more.
    Here the choice is small - either together, with chances for success, independence and future, or separately - without them, alas, for Ukraine.
    But neither folk wisdom nor modern history is used by Theoden-Yanukovych...
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  73. 0
    8 October 2013 19: 57
    Quote: abc_alex
    To Novorossiysk. Otherwise, we will never get rid of all sorts of restrictions and conditions, which will always end in “give me some money, eh?”

    do you know what BORA is? in Sevastopol, in general, there is none, but in Novorossiysk there is... well, the point is not even in the wind, but in geopolitics, not to mention the fact that a lot of blood was shed so that the Turks did not live in Crimea.
  74. +1
    9 October 2013 01: 56
    Oh, my cat... well, small children in the sandbox
    Akim again against the system? wink
    Or is the system against Akim and Corneli? smile
    It’s interesting to read a squabble over a trifle, but with the erogenous word - Sevastopol.
    I support Akim - the man is trying to convey at least something, and not cliches and slogans.
    Yes, and it’s useful to look from there.
    PS, I agree about the Odessa region, enlighten me or something... Do you know... we’re putting up monuments to Catherine, we’re putting up monuments to Pushkin... and here’s a real event... our Westerners are simply obliged to hold a holiday... they gave away the largest region.

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