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"Dead hand" more terrible "Ajdis" and "Tomahawk"

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The very best tool would be to resuscitate the Perimeter system.


Now in the media there is an intensive discussion of military reform. In particular, many journalists demand that all possible opponents be named by name.

I hasten to reassure everyone, now there will be no big war guaranteed. The pacifist blue dream came true - “XXI century without wars”. Since 2000, not a single country in the world has been in a state of war for a single day, although not a single day has passed so that fighting would not be fought at one or several points on the globe.

FRENCH OPTION FOR RUSSIA

Now the war is called "the fight against terrorism", "peacekeeping", "peace enforcement", etc. Therefore, I propose to change the terminology and speak not about war or defense of the fatherland, but about the reaction of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to threats to national security. The illusions of some liberals, who believed that the source of the Cold War was communism and that peace and general prosperity would come after its disappearance, turned out to be a delusion.

Moreover, if before the 1991 of the year, the UN Security Council and International Law were to some extent holding back conflicts, now their action is negligible. As for the notorious world public opinion, then during the August 2008 conflict, everything fell into place. The whole world community supported the aggressor, not its victim. Western TV channels showed the burning streets of Tskhinvali, posing as Georgian cities.

It is time to recall the covenant of Alexander III the Peacemaker: "Russia has only two allies - its army and navy." Does this mean that Russia in a crisis should get involved in a symmetrical arms race like the USSR? Until the USSR 1991 traded weapons mostly at a loss, selling it cheaply to “friends”, or even simply donating it.

It is curious why our politicians and the military do not wish to recall the French phenomenon of 1946 – 1991? France was ravaged by the Second World War, then took part in two dozen large and small colonial wars in Laos, Vietnam, in the war for the Suez Canal 1956, the Algerian War (1954 – 1962). Nevertheless, the French managed, independently of other countries, to create a full range of weapons from ATGMs to intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), almost not yielding to superpowers. All French ships, including nuclear submarines with ICBMs and aircraft carriers, were built in French shipyards and carry French weapons. And our Ministry of Defense now wants to buy French warships.

But the French people, in order to create the third largest military-industrial complex in the world, did not pull down their belts at all. The market economy was intensively developing in the country, the standard of living was steadily growing.

The casket opens simply. In 1950-1990, approximately 60% of the weapons produced by France were exported. Moreover, exports were carried out in all directions. So, in the wars of 1956, 1967 and 1973, the armies of Israel and all the Arab countries were heavily armed with French weapons. Iran and Iraq also fought among themselves with French weapons. England is France’s NATO ally, but in the Falkland War it was French-made planes and missiles that caused the most damage to the British the fleet.

I fully admit that the refined intellectual will be indignant: “The French arms trade in all azimuths is immoral!” But, alas, if France would not have sold these weapon systems, others would have sold them guaranteed.

A rhetorical question arises: can our nuclear submarines sold to Iran, Venezuela, India, Chile, Argentina, etc., even hypothetically damage Russia at least in a separate future? What are nuclear boats? Take purely defensive weapons - anti-aircraft missiles. Why can't the C-300 anti-aircraft complex be sold to Venezuela, Iran, Syria and other countries?

AMERICAN ROCKET CALL

Unfortunately, our politicians and media pay very little attention to the US shipborne missile defense system, which was created during the modernization of the Aegis anti-aircraft complex. The new rocket received the name "Standard-3" (SM-3) and after certain alterations (of which the Pentagon keeps secret) it can be equipped with any of the United States 84 Navy ships having the Aegis system. These are 27 Ticondeur-type cruisers and 57 Airlie Burke-type destroyers.

In 2006, the CG-67 “Shiloh” cruiser hit the SM-3 missile with a missile warhead at an altitude of 200 km 250 km north-west of Kauan Island (the archipelago of Hawaii). It is interesting that, according to the Western media, the guidance on the warhead was carried out from the Japanese destroyer DDG-174 "Kirishima" (full displacement 9490 t; equipped with the "Aegis" system).

The fact is that since 2005, Japan has been equipping its fleet with Aegis system S-3 missiles with the help of the USA.

The first Japanese ship equipped with the Aegis system with SM-3 was the destroyer Atado DDG-177. He received anti-missiles at the very end of 2007.

November 6 2006 missiles SM-3, launched from the destroyer DDG-70 "Lake Erie", was intercepted immediately two ICBM warheads at an altitude of about 180 km.

And 21 March 2008 of the year the SM-3 rocket from the same Lake Erie struck at an altitude of 247 km and hit the American secret satellite L-21 Radarsat with a direct hit. The official designation of this secret spacecraft is USA-193.

So, in the Far East, American and Japanese destroyers and cruisers can shoot down ballistic missiles of Russian submarines in the initial part of the trajectory, even if they are launched from their own territorial waters.

I note that the American ships with the Aegis system regularly visit the Black, Baltic and Barents Seas. The maritime missile defense system is dangerous for the Russian Federation not only during the war. The US military deliberately exaggerates its capabilities, deceiving incompetent people in the United States and Europe, from presidents and ministers to shopkeepers.

The possibility of a retaliatory nuclear strike of the Soviet Union frightened everyone, and since 1945, there has not been a direct military clash between the West and Russia. Now for the first time in 60 years, politicians and commoners of NATO countries have created the illusion of their own impunity. Meanwhile, our media does not occur to spoil this euphoria, recalling the American tests of nuclear weapons at altitudes from 80 to 400 km in the summer of 1962, on the Johnson Atoll. Then, after each explosion for several hours, radio communications were interrupted throughout the Pacific.

In 2001, the Pentagon’s Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) attempted to evaluate the possible effects of the tests on low-orbit satellites. The results were disappointing: one small nuclear charge (from 10 to 20 kilotons - like a bomb dropped on Hiroshima), exploded at an altitude from 125 to 300 km, “is enough to disable all satellites that do not have special protection against radiation. Denis Papadopoulos, a specialist in plasma physics at the University of Maryland, had a different opinion: "An 10-kiloton nuclear bomb detonated at a specially calculated height can lead to a loss of 90% of all low-orbit satellites for about a month." It is estimated that the cost of replacing equipment that was disabled by the effects of a high-altitude nuclear explosion will amount to more than 100 billion dollars. This is not counting the total economic losses from the loss of opportunities provided by space technology!

Why not ask American experts in the field of missile defense to explain how the Aegis system and other missile defense systems will work after the explosion in low orbits of two dozen hydrogen charges? Well, then let the Western taxpayers themselves think about what the Pentagon is spending money in a crisis.

RECORDED TOMAHAVKI

Another weapon that created instability in the world and gave rise to a feeling of impunity among military and politicians is American Tomahawk cruise missiles with a range of 2200 – 2500 km. Already, surface ships, submarines and aircraft of the United States and NATO countries can launch thousands of such missiles in the Russian Federation. "Tomahawks" can affect the mines of ICBMs, mobile ICBM complexes, communications centers, command posts. Western media claim that a sudden strike with non-nuclear cruise missiles could completely deprive Russia of the possibility of a nuclear strike.

In this regard, it is surprising that the issue of Tomahawk missiles is not included by our diplomats in the framework of the START negotiations.

By the way, it would be nice to remind our admirals and designers of the Novator Design Bureau that our Tomahawk counterparts - Grenades and others there are different - are not suitable even for American cruise missiles. And I'm not saying this, but Aunt Geography.

The US Air Force and Navy will never let our ships over a distance of 2500 km to the shores of America. Therefore, the Russian response to the American "Tomahawks" can only be ship missiles "Meteorite" and "Bolid" or their more effective counterparts with a range of 5 – 8 thousand km.

GOOD FORGOTTEN OLD

But the best way to rid the West of illusions about the possibility of delivering an impunity attack on Russia would be to reanimate the Perimeter system.

The system so frightened the West at the beginning of 1990's that it was called the “Dead Hand”. I will remind you briefly history this horror stories.

In the US, 1970 began the development of the “Limited Nuclear War” doctrine. In accordance with it, the key nodes of the Kazbek command system and the Strategic Missile Forces communication lines will be destroyed by the first blow, and the surviving communication lines will be suppressed by radio-electronic interference. In this way, the US leadership was hoping to avoid a nuclear strike.

In response to the USSR, it was decided, in addition to the available RSVN communication channels, to create a special command rocket, equipped with a powerful radio transmitting device, launched in a special period and giving commands to launch all intercontinental missiles on alert throughout the USSR. Moreover, this rocket was only the main part of a large system.

To ensure the guaranteed fulfillment of its role, the system was initially designed as fully automatic and, in the event of a massive attack, is able to decide on a retaliatory strike independently, without participation (or with minimal participation) of a person. The system included numerous instruments for measuring radiation, seismic vibrations, it is connected with early warning radar stations, early warning satellites for rocket attacks, etc. The existence of such a system in the West is called immoral, however, it is, in fact, the only deterrent that gives real guarantees of the potential adversary’s refusal from the concept of a preventive crushing blow.

ASYMMETRIC "PERIMETER"

The principle of operation of the Perimeter system is as follows. In peacetime, the main components of the system are on standby, monitoring the situation and processing the data coming from the measuring posts. In the event of a threat of a large-scale attack with a nuclear weapon, confirmed by data from early warning systems about a rocket attack, the Perimeter complex is automatically alerted and begins to monitor the operational situation.

If the sensory components of the system confirm the fact of a massive nuclear strike with sufficient reliability, and the system itself loses its connection with the main strategic missile forces command centers for a certain period of time, it initiates the launch of several command missiles, which, flying over their territory, broadcast control signals installed on board with powerful radio transmitters signal, and launch codes for all components of the nuclear triad - mine and mobile launch complexes, nuclear submarine missile cruisers and strategic aviation. The receiving equipment of both the Strategic Missile Forces command posts and individual launchers, having received this signal, begins the process of immediately launching ballistic missiles in fully automatic mode, providing a guaranteed retaliatory strike against the enemy even in the event of the death of all personnel.

The development of a special command missile system "Perimeter" was given to the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau by a joint resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR and the CPSU Central Committee No. 695-227 of August 30 of 1974 of the year. As the base rocket, it was originally supposed to use the MP-UR100 rocket (15A15), later they stopped on the MP-UR100 UTTH rocket (15A16). The rocket modified in part of the control system received the index 15А11.

In December 1975, the draft rocket of the command rocket was completed. The rocket installed a special warhead, which had an index of 15B99, which included the original radio engineering system developed by the OKB LPI (Leningrad Polytechnic Institute). To ensure the conditions of its operation, the MS should have a constant orientation in space during the flight. A special system for its sedation, orientation and stabilization was developed using cold compressed gas (taking into account the experience of developing a propulsion system for a special MS “Mayak”), which significantly reduced the cost and terms of its creation and development. The production of a special MS 15B99 was organized at the Strela research and production association in Orenburg.

After ground testing of new technical solutions in 1979, flight design tests of a command rocket began. At NIIP-5, sites 176 and 181, two experimental mine launchers were put into operation. In addition, a special command center was set up at the 71 site, equipped with a newly developed unique command and control equipment to provide remote control and launch of a command missile following orders from the highest levels of command and control of the Strategic Missile Forces. A shielded anechoic chamber equipped with equipment for autonomous testing of a radio transmitter was constructed at a special technical position in the body of the assembly.

Flight tests of the 15А11 rocket were conducted under the direction of the State Commission, headed by the First Deputy Chief of the Main Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces, Lieutenant-General Varfolomey Korobushin.

The first launch of the command rocket 15А11 with the equivalent of the transmitter was successful on 26 December 1979 of the year. The interaction of all systems involved in the launch was tested; the rocket brought the 15B99 MS to the nominal trajectory with a peak about 4000 km and a range of 4500 km. Total for flight tests was made 10 missiles. However, from 1979 to 1986 a year, there were only seven starts.

During the tests, real launches of various types of ICBMs from combat facilities were carried out on orders transmitted by the 15A11 command rocket during the flight. To this end, additional antennas were mounted on the launchers of these missiles and receivers of the Perimeter system were installed. Later, all launchers and command posts of the Strategic Missile Forces underwent similar modifications. In total, during the flight test design (LCI), six launches were deemed successful, and one - partially successful. In connection with the successful course of the tests and the fulfillment of the tasks set, the State Commission found it possible to be satisfied with seven launches instead of the planned ten.

MEDICATION FOR POSSIBLE ILLUSIONS

Simultaneously with the LKI missiles, ground tests of the functioning of the entire complex were carried out under the influence of the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion. The tests were carried out at the site of the Kharkov Physical-Technical Institute, in the laboratories of VNIIEF (Arzamas-16), as well as at the Novaya Zemlya nuclear test site. The tests carried out confirmed the operability of the equipment at the levels of impact of the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion exceeding those specified by the TTZ of the USSR Ministry of Defense.

In addition, during the tests, the USSR Council of Ministers resolution was tasked with expanding the functions of the complex, bringing combat orders not only to ground-based intercontinental missile launchers, but also to nuclear-powered submarines, long-range and naval missile-carrying aircraft on airfields and in the air, and control points of the Strategic Missile Forces, Air Force and Navy. The flight tests of the command missile were completed in March 1982 of the year, and in January 1985 of the year the Perimeter complex was put on combat duty.

Data on the "Perimeter" system is highly classified. However, it can be assumed that the technical maintenance of the missiles is identical to the operation of the base 15А16 rocket. The launcher - mine, automated, highly protected, most likely the type of OS - upgraded OS OS-84.

There is no reliable information about the system, however, according to indirect data, it can be assumed that this is a complex expert system equipped with a variety of communication systems and sensors that monitor the combat situation. The system tracks the presence and intensity of negotiations on the air at military frequencies, receiving telemetry signals from the posts of the Strategic Missile Forces, the level of radiation on the surface and in the vicinity, the regular occurrence of point sources of powerful ionizing and electromagnetic radiation at key coordinates that coincide with sources of short-term seismic disturbances in the earth cortex (which corresponds to the picture of multiple ground-based nuclear strikes), and the presence of living people on the command post. Based on the correlation of these factors, the system probably makes the final decision on the need for a retaliatory strike. After setting on combat duty, the complex worked and was periodically used during command and staff exercises.

In December, the modernized system, called Perimeter-RC, was put into service until December 1990, when the complex was removed from combat duty as part of the START-1995 agreement.

It is quite possible that the Perimeter complex should be upgraded so that it can respond quickly and to the strike with non-nuclear Tomahawk cruise missiles.

I am sure that our scientists can come up with more than a dozen asymmetric responses to the US military threat, and an order of magnitude cheaper ones. As for their immorality, if some British ladies consider anti-personnel mines to be immoral weapons, and “Tomahawks” are very respectable, then it’s not a bad idea to scare them well. And the more the lady will vote, the less will our Western friends be willing to bully Russia.
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  1. SASCHAmIXEEW
    SASCHAmIXEEW 30 March 2013 10: 14 New
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    God grant that the system is alive! This is the best shield against attack !!!
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 30 March 2013 11: 08 New
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      And who said she was dead? This is the main trick of the devil - everyone thinks that he is not.
      1. 755962
        755962 30 March 2013 15: 20 New
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        Quote: Geisenberg
        And who said she was dead?

        In the Western press, the name “Dead hand” has been assigned to the system.
        In Japan, military experts dubbed this system the “Hand of the Tomb”.
        According to Wired magazine in 2009, the Perimeter system is operational and ready to strike back.
        In December 2011, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Lieutenant General Sergey Karakaev, stated that the Perimeter system exists and is on combat duty.


        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 30 March 2013 16: 29 New
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          Quote: 755962
          Sergei Karakaev said that the Perimeter system exists and is on combat duty.


          Mobile soil missile complex command missiles (PGRK KR). 15P175 "Siren"
          8th rd (military unit 44200, Yurya-2) on duty since October 2005 ..
          Mobile rocket missile complex command missiles with command missile 15ZH75
          At the checkpoint and pkp rp, pkp rdn there are RBU receivers capable of receiving a signal from command missiles. At the end of the 80s, equipment 15E646-10 of the Perimeter system was installed on the stationary TsKP of the Navy, Air Force, CP of fleets and air armies, including capable of receiving signals of the UHF command missiles. Further, orders for the use of nuclear weapons were communicated through their specific means of communication of the Navy and the Air Force. The receiving devices are hardware-connected with the control and launch equipment, providing immediate autonomous execution of the launch order in fully automatic mode, providing a guaranteed retaliatory strike against the enemy even in the event of the death of all personnel.
          One of the ground-based antennas of the Perimeter system on KP and PU was called the "eye looking east" - the antenna looks like an eye and is oriented to the east.
          Initially, the Perimeter system was created on the basis of 15A15 (having received the index 15A11), and was intended to run all BRs that did not take off (which is why they got the name "Dead Hand"). But she had a limited range of 4500 km. In the 80s, the question arose of expanding the operation of the Perimeter system on SLBMs and on strategic aviation and, accordingly, increasing the range and changing the carrier (in connection with which the question arose of upgrading the Head Parts (changing frequencies, encodings, etc.)) .. the main component in this system was GP 15B99 developed by OKB Ipuls (former OKB LPI) and made in Strela NPO, which are located in Russia, transferring it to another medium does not constitute a particular problem.

          The "PERIMETER" system is functioning. Moreover, it is constantly being modernized, especially in recent years.
          1. lechatormosis
            lechatormosis 30 March 2013 17: 20 New
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            This is a good club for sobering up all kinds of adventurers DRANG NAH OSTEN.
          2. skeptic
            skeptic 31 March 2013 11: 50 New
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            Quote: Ascetic
            The "PERIMETER" system is functioning. Moreover, it is constantly being modernized, especially in recent years.


            I really want to believe that the "reformers" did not remake this system in the "Potemkin village" - the outside is normal, but inside ...
          3. Nick
            Nick 31 March 2013 15: 18 New
            +4
            Quote: Ascetic
            The "PERIMETER" system is functioning. Moreover, it is constantly being modernized, especially in recent years

            The best remedy for insomnia for all Russians. good
          4. sergius60
            sergius60 31 March 2013 16: 45 New
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            Thank you, dear Ascetic. I became even more convinced that the screams on the theme of “all-co-polymers” really have no basis. There are no miracles. The modernization of this system, the development of the T-50, Armata, etc. in the EMPTY place is fundamentally impossible. Need a BASE of knowledge, technology, production potential. Glory to Russia!
            1. zvereok
              zvereok April 1 2013 21: 59 New
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              The bad thing is that we do not know what our potential adversary found out about us in troubled times.
          5. Shoma-1970
            Shoma-1970 April 4 2013 09: 58 New
            +1
            Ascetic"
            however you pleased us! smile
        2. Goldmitro
          Goldmitro 30 March 2013 18: 46 New
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          Thank God, not everything was able to destroy our hunchbacked Nobel Judah and his team, as well as the drunk with the young reformers. We still have sensible people who do not hold back from the "sadness" of knowledge of universal values ​​in Western interpretation and do not indulge in smiles and the "friendly" pat on the shoulder of our NATO partners, who know the real value of all this fake NATO PARTNERSHIP!
          1. Dima67
            Dima67 30 March 2013 22: 57 New
            +6
            Quote: Goldmitro
            Thank God, not everything was able to destroy our hunchbacked Nobel Judah and his team, as well as the drunk with the young reformers. We still have sensible people who do not hold back from the "sadness" of knowledge of universal values ​​in Western interpretation and do not indulge in smiles and the "friendly" pat on the shoulder of our NATO partners, who know the real value of all this fake NATO PARTNERSHIP!
            +++ Well said !!!
          2. xoma58
            xoma58 31 March 2013 11: 48 New
            +4
            But unfortunately, there are iPhonesmiths who think of whatever muck they might come up with for the Russian people.
        3. stroporez
          stroporez April 2 2013 16: 37 New
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          Quote: 755962
          In December 2011, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Lieutenant General Sergey Karakaev, stated that the Perimeter system exists and is on combat duty.

          damn, as you want to believe ........................
      2. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 30 March 2013 15: 56 New
        +8
        And they should not think, but know exactly what it is.
        1. KamikadZzzE1959
          KamikadZzzE1959 30 March 2013 21: 44 New
          +2
          Let the skull crumple ...
      3. selbrat
        selbrat April 5 2013 15: 01 New
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        Quote: Geisenberg
        And who said she was dead?

        The fact is that the system was adopted by Gorbachev. So it’s rather dead. Unless, of course, they didn’t deal with it like Admiral Kuznetsov (God forbid), and didn’t hide it in time.
    2. nakaz
      nakaz 30 March 2013 22: 09 New
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      In fact, more than once it was voiced at the highest level that the system is functioning and is ready to drag the imperialist hydra of the West into the grave in the event of a nuclear strike against Russia.
    3. Dnepropetrovsk
      Dnepropetrovsk April 2 2013 13: 12 New
      +1
      System piz..ts. Improve improve and improve again.
    4. Shoma-1970
      Shoma-1970 April 4 2013 09: 54 New
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      Resuscitate immediately!
  2. Russian
    Russian 30 March 2013 10: 23 New
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    Very interesting article! Thanks to the author.
    How much does one have to be corrupt in order to remove such a system that has worked for only 5 years from combat duty ?! I think it would work fine now, of course it would be possible to upgrade a little.
    We all think what a symmetrical answer to make an American, so you don’t need to think anything here, just take and restore what has already been done! After all, the USSR hit us just a huge left.
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 31 March 2013 09: 57 New
      +3
      Yes, there is no need to restore anything - everything is functioning. I think that the massive strike by cruise missiles in the Perimeter system is also taken into account in the full necessary volume. The connection with submarines is also made in a very original way, so that on the drum, at what depthhi
  3. Zubr
    Zubr 30 March 2013 11: 10 New
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    As far as I know, the "Perimeter" was disabled for 10 years from 1998 to 2008 year according to the contract, at the moment, the main carriers MP100-UTX have been modernized and included. Well, if now the Strategic Missile Forces are already being controlled from geostationary satellites of a high-orbit constellation, there is practically no need for it. Although he doesn’t ask for food, it would be better of course to be in reserve, but I think our strategists will not refuse such a temptation, as a backup system .... hi
    Many thanks to the author ...! good article.. good
    1. alexng
      alexng 30 March 2013 22: 18 New
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      Quote: Zubr
      Well, if now the Strategic Missile Forces are already being controlled from geostationary satellites of a high-orbit constellation, there is practically no need for it.


      Orbiting satellites are the most vulnerable link. At the Americans everything is imprisoned for satellites and for this reason they have the most fake army in the world, since the satellites can be disabled by one volley at 20 kilotons. And immediately after the failure of the entire space constellation, all the weapons of the USA become a pile of trinkets in a beautiful wrapper. So far, nothing can replace the command missile. So the "Perimeter" is a tub of cold water hot heads. It's time for the trolls to think about it, that they are putting on the wrong horse.
      1. postman
        postman 31 March 2013 03: 47 New
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        Quote: alexneg
        since the satellites can be disabled by one salvo of 20 kilotons.

        So how is it?
        1. alexng
          alexng April 1 2013 07: 49 New
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          Yes, as indicated by the link. According to calculations, 20 kilotons will be enough.
          http://www.city-n.ru/view/170440.html
          1. postman
            postman April 1 2013 16: 29 New
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            Quote: alexneg
            Yes, as indicated by the link.

            It does not inspire confidence, AT ALL.
            <July 9, 1962 when in the USA on johnston atoll in the pacific tested nuclear explosion in space>
            <consequences of a high-altitude explosion with power 1,4 megatons>
            1.W49Y2 - 1,44 megatons, not HOW NOT 20KT

            incapacitated 3 hundreds of streetlights and subject to data on the degradation of solar panels in part of the satellite, including Telstar 1 (first commercial)
            2.20 kt (this "spit") and no one will notice (no connection, no Earth, no people)
            The density of energy flow from the Sun at a distance of 1 astronomical unit is about 1367 W / m² (solar constant), which significantly exceeds the resources of all other renewable energy sources of planet Earth.
            Earth's magnetic field distorted by the solar wind

            3. If, however, the concentration of charged particles in the radiation belt of the Earth INCREASES and WILL REDUCE RADIO COMMUNICATION, it is not clear what the Dead Hand will save (better than) than the same AES.
            4. It is not very clear how the Dead Hand signal emitters, not having not only a stable, but even a SUPPORT orbit (maybe flying along a ballistic one) can transmit a signal to the required surface, the required intensity.
      2. Petr_Sever
        Petr_Sever April 2 2013 18: 33 New
        -5
        "for this reason they have the most fake army in the world,"
        Which does not interfere with success and repeatedly pull on armies such as Iraq, Serbia, etc.
        If this is a sham for you, then ... I really don’t know then
        In your opinion, a Dagestan with AK-74 will be much more effective than Amer. marines?
        1. kostiknet
          kostiknet April 3 2013 10: 03 New
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          Quote: Petr_Sever
          In your opinion, a Dagestan with AK-74 will be much more effective than Amer. marines?

          But what about, after all, a Dagestan with an AK-74 can also be a marines, a paratrooper ... and not just a Dagestan. laughing What is your strange idea of ​​the structure of the Armed Forces of Russia !!! In your opinion, in our army there are no military branches, but only nationalities? Moreover, the same Dagestan would be scary even without a “Kalash”, knowing that in the event of a defeat, his family would be fucked by “smelly niggas” or “drunk Latinos”. And about Iraq and Serbia ... Do not confuse tourism with emigration! A soldier fighting for his land and family is always more effective than a hired man fighting for "loot" (which the Yakindos do around the world - they kill the pennies). And they climb only to where the army is MUCH weaker (although they manage to get it in the ass too)
          1. Bekzat
            Bekzat April 4 2013 17: 55 New
            0
            Greetings to all, for Constantine, + Dear !!!
  4. Tartary
    Tartary 30 March 2013 11: 21 New
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    Duc XTO YOU, The Pacifist who managed minus an article to penetrate?
    Open your face, Gulchatai ...

    I suspect that here it was not without the painful masochists who, in a crowd, persuaded the scout to take appropriate action ...

    Is the mouse buggy?
    1. Dima67
      Dima67 30 March 2013 23: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Tartary
      Duc XTO YOU, The Pacifist who managed minus an article to penetrate?
      Open your face, Gulchatai ...

      I suspect that here it was not without the painful masochists who, in a crowd, persuaded the scout to take appropriate action ...

      Is the mouse buggy?
      Maybe yesterday's raccoon came with Grandpa from ROA. Damn it, as I recall, it will distort.
  5. Zubr
    Zubr 30 March 2013 11: 24 New
    +7


    And here is a video about her
    1. Vitali-46
      Vitali-46 April 5 2013 17: 03 New
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      Amer only in the cinema can create such or similar systems, but we create in reality !!! GLORY OF RUSSIA !!!! It is clear that if it really is in our arsenal, then it’s not necessary to blow the whole world about it, it's your kind of ace up your sleeve! If the leadership finds out about a real threat from whoever is there, about the use of nuclear weapons in our address, then it will be possible to cool the aggressors, making it clear that the perimeter will quickly return the favor !!!!! hi WITH RESPECT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN RUSSIANS, SLAVES !!!!
  6. Corsair
    Corsair 30 March 2013 11: 27 New
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    Quote from an article: France was ravaged by World War II, then took part in two dozen large and small colonial wars ************ And almost immediately after the occupation was withdrawn !!! Indeed, overcoming the monstrous destruction of the economy (in comparison with some small things in the USSR!) Great France was reborn from the ashes ...... Some insanity!
    1. Zubr
      Zubr 30 March 2013 11: 35 New
      +7
      That's for sure ! After the Germans pulled the super-heavy artillery to the Mageno line and fired a dozen shots, they surrendered France almost without a fight.
      They had glorious sons of France, but they were so few ......
      1. Containers
        Containers 30 March 2013 12: 47 New
        +3
        The Maginot line was trivially circumvented from the flanks. After that, there was little resistance and there was no point.
        1. Denis
          Denis 30 March 2013 14: 07 New
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          Quote: Kosha
          The Maginot line was trivially circumvented from the flanks. After that, there was little resistance and there was no point.
          Like the Brest Fortress. Only there they did not think about the meaning of resistance and held out longer than the whole of France
        2. smile
          smile 30 March 2013 21: 32 New
          11
          Containers
          Excuse me, but my phrase just doesn’t fit my head ... Well, how can I say that it makes no sense to defend your homeland? I hope you made a mistake or got excited .....
        3. evfrat
          evfrat 30 March 2013 22: 39 New
          +1
          I think this is not only the case: according to the recollections of one French lady who spent her guys in two wars, they went to the first with songs and enthusiasm, and the second with tears and no one wanted to die ...
        4. evfrat
          evfrat 30 March 2013 22: 40 New
          +2
          Apparently in your opinion in Brest there was also unnecessary heroism? After 2 weeks she was bypassed ...
        5. Krapovy32
          Krapovy32 31 March 2013 07: 45 New
          16
          It always makes sense to resist. While alive and breathing. It is enough to recall the partisans in the Great Patriotic War. Indeed, many of them are the remains of broken parts, did not lay down their arms and continued the struggle in the occupied territory. Bright memory to the defenders of the fatherland.
        6. Nord007hold
          Nord007hold April 1 2013 03: 19 New
          +2
          The Maginot line was really bypassed, but not from the flanks but from the flank.
          German troops passed through the Ardennes forest (the only gap between the Allied forces and the Maginot Line) and brought to life the so-called “sickle stroke”
      2. Dima67
        Dima67 30 March 2013 23: 15 New
        +9
        Quote: Zubr
        That's for sure ! After the Germans pulled the super-heavy artillery to the Mageno line and fired a dozen shots, they surrendered France almost without a fight.
        They had glorious sons of France, but they were so few ......
        Guys. The war in France was called a strange war. And the French officer who began to shoot at the advancing Germans, was put on trial. And France was not completely occupied. And the proud Gauls became part of the Wehrmacht battalion. Like the Belgians in the battalion SS "Valonia" Only Normandy-Neman and fought.
      3. zvereok
        zvereok April 1 2013 22: 03 New
        0
        As far as I remember they went through Belgium.
    2. Sirius
      Sirius 30 March 2013 17: 19 New
      +9
      They, the French, restored and developed their military-industrial complex due to the robbery of the colonies. After all, and in the mid-60s they pumped resources from the colonies. And then they began to this day to receive resources through transnational corporations with French capital.
    3. Kaa
      Kaa 30 March 2013 18: 41 New
      +9
      Quote: Corsair
      : France was ravaged by World War II

      ... the patamushta was actively working for the reich that had lost the war: “In France, the Nazis seized a huge amount of equipment, vehicles, raw materials. In the first two years of occupation, they stole 5 thousand steam locomotives and 250 thousand wagons. A significant part of the raw materials were in their hands and the country's fuel resources, as well as strategic non-ferrous metal reserves. In 1941, the Nazis exported 4,9 million tons of ferrous metals, or 73 percent of their annual production, from the occupied part of France. The total cost of raw materials and fuel resources stolen by Germany amounted to about 80 billion francs, more than 184 billion francs were exported finished products of French industry .. In 1941, about 5 thousand factories of Western European countries were involved in the fulfillment of German military orders. In France alone, in the spring of the same year, over 80 percent of aircraft manufacturing enterprises worked, 40 percent - ferrous metallurgy, 70 percent - metal industry.http://www.protown.ru/information/hide/5513.html
      “In the face of a crushing defeat, the technology of the three branches of the French Armed Forces had a different fate. The main part - 3200 tanks that were not destroyed in battle - fell almost intact into the hands of the Germans. Hitler captured 2400 French tanksbeing in a condition to be restored, 560 of which were subsequently converted into self-propelled guns. As a result, starting in mid-1941, many French tanks were repaired and shipped to Finland, France, North Africa, Russia and the Balkans. The most tragic in this case was that they were used by the Vichy troops against the armies of the allies and their French compatriots in North Africa and the Middle East. Having captured such a large number of French tanks, the Germans began to form regiments, which was enough to create four tank divisions, equipped with 399 Hotchkiss tanks and 190 Somois tanks. In addition to medium and light French tanks, the Germans received 6000 tracked infantry transportersthat they began to use for the same purpose called the Infanterie Slepper UE 630 (f)The Germans were able to persuade the management of Renault and other large French auto giants, such as Citroen, Metford, a branch of the American Ford and Peugeot, to accept large orders for the manufacture of cars. These firms made more than 50 thousand trucks for Germany, tens of thousands of which took part in the hostilities of the Wehrmacht, especially on the Eastern Front.http: //www.plam.ru/hist/velikii_tankovyi_grabezh_trofeinaja_bronja_gitler
      a / p1.php # metkadoc7
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 31 March 2013 21: 50 New
        +8
        Quote: Kaa
        ..patamushta actively worked for the Reich who lost the war:

        Oh !!!
        Can I add it?
        According to Grand Admiral Doenitz, "... French workers in the repair shipyards of Saint-Nazaire perform their work at 15% faster and better than their German counterparts in Kiel ..."
    4. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx 31 March 2013 12: 44 New
      +8
      Quote: Corsair
      Indeed, overcoming the MONSTERING destruction of the economy (in comparison with some small things in the USSR!), Great France was reborn from the ashes ... Some insanity!

      They answered directly for me. Of course, the French had a hard time in the occupation - the photo below reflects their hardships and hardships:




      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 31 March 2013 20: 28 New
        +9
        Oh that's me french nonresistance laughing
        “You know, Bill,” I said. - In Belarus, I sat in the swamps with my people and shot the Germans. And we sat in the swamps for two years. Therefore, the local Resistance seems to me to be a scout picnic. Imagine - a thug breaks into a nice, cozy little house, la belle France, rapes the hostess, grabs everything he likes, and finally stays here. La belle France treats him, feeds a calf’s liver, wines with the best wines and erases his filthy filth on the Eastern Front. In addition, she gives him Jews so that belle ami Fritz could sleep better. And one fine day the hostess sees that the guest has begun to die. Foam from the mouth, cramps. And then the brave, courageous and selfless la belle France grabs the pan and hits it on the head. That's all their Resistance to a penny.
        (c) "Look into the eyes of monsters"
      2. stroporez
        stroporez April 2 2013 17: 12 New
        +2
        yes .................... et not torn Belarus and Ukraine
  7. werr17
    werr17 30 March 2013 12: 16 New
    +5
    And let's call the reanimated system according to the old Russian tradition “Skynet”? laughing
    1. Alexander
      Alexander 30 March 2013 12: 40 New
      +8
      You’re reviewing the “Terminator” less.
  8. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 30 March 2013 12: 38 New
    0
    The perimeter is good. I read a lot about her.

    Question. How will the main element of the system work - a rocket with a transmitter, in a high-altitude nuclear explosion? When is the radio disconnected?

    Such explosions will inevitably be carried out by our side to suppress all Ajijs.
    1. Containers
      Containers 30 March 2013 12: 48 New
      +1
      This system is designed for a sudden blow - when command posts are simultaneously disabled. High-altitude nuclear explosions - that's another story.
    2. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq 30 March 2013 17: 27 New
      +6
      Yes, do not load yourself with these tales, everything is easier and more effective, a command missile flies over the country and broadcasts ....... Who served on the "Pr --- ve", he understood what I was talking about.
  9. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 30 March 2013 12: 38 New
    +8
    Dear author, I probably forgot. Modern Russian cruise missiles are no worse than axes. For example, X101 range is 5500 km. Missiles for submarines are family Caliber range is 3500 km. The same rockets will be used in the Iskander K. system. So, not everything is so bad with cruise missiles. The Aegis system cannot shoot down missile systems; it is not suitable for this. And for Japan, the old X55 is enough.
  10. DimYang
    DimYang 30 March 2013 13: 06 New
    +7
    I hasten to reassure everyone, at the present time there will not be a guaranteed big war

    Very naive statement. The war in its current form will certainly not be gigantic fronts, but what will most likely happen will be, in fact, a great war.
  11. krokodil25
    krokodil25 30 March 2013 13: 23 New
    10
    After being put on combat duty, the complex worked and was periodically used during command and staff exercises. The 15P011 command missile system with the 15A11 missile (based on the MP UR-100) was on combat duty until June 1995, when the complex was withdrawn from combat duty under the START-1 agreement. According to other sources, this happened on September 1, 1995, when the 7th missile regiment, armed with command missiles, was removed from duty and disbanded in the 510th Missile Division (Vypolzovo town). This event coincided in time with the completion of the withdrawal of MR UR-100 missiles from the Strategic Missile Forces and the process of rearmament of the 1994th RD to the Topol mobile soil missile system, which began in December 7.
    In December 1990, a regiment (commander - Colonel S.I. Arzamastsev) took up combat duty in the 8th missile division (Yurya village) with a modernized command missile complex, called the Perimeter-RC, which includes a command missile created on the basis of the RT-2PM Topol ICBM.
    There is also evidence that earlier the Perimeter system, along with the 15A11 missiles, included command missiles based on the Pioneer BRDS. Such a mobile complex with "Pioneer" command missiles was called the "Horn". The complex index is 15P656, missiles are 15Zh56. At least one unit of the Strategic Missile Forces is known, which was armed with the Gorn complex - the 249th Missile Regiment, stationed in the city of Polotsk, Vitebsk Region, 32nd Missile Division (Pastavy), from March-April From 1986 to 1988 he was on combat duty with a mobile complex of command missiles.
    Organizations involved in the production of components and maintenance of the complex are experiencing funding difficulties. High staff turnover, resulting in a drop in staff qualifications. Despite this, the leadership of the Russian Federation has repeatedly assured foreign states that there is no risk of accidental or unauthorized launching of missiles.
    In the Western press, the name “dead hand” (dead hand) was assigned to the system.
    According to Wired magazine in 2009, the Perimeter system is operational and ready to strike back.
    In December 2011, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Lieutenant General Sergey Karakaev, stated that the Perimeter system exists and is on combat duty.
    1. Oberon
      Oberon 30 March 2013 19: 11 New
      +5
      I confirm!
  12. DimYang
    DimYang 30 March 2013 13: 26 New
    +7
    In 2006, the CG-67 “Shiloh” cruiser hit the SM-3 missile with a missile warhead at an altitude of 200 km 250 km north-west of Kauan Island (the archipelago of Hawaii). It is interesting that, according to the Western media, the guidance on the warhead was carried out from the Japanese destroyer DDG-174 "Kirishima" (full displacement 9490 t; equipped with the "Aegis" system).

    The fact is that since 2005, Japan has been equipping its fleet with Aegis system S-3 missiles with the help of the USA.

    The first Japanese ship equipped with the Aegis system with SM-3 was the destroyer Atado DDG-177. He received anti-missiles at the very end of 2007.

    On November 6, 2006, SM-3 missiles launched from the destroyer DDG-70 “Lake Erie” intercepted two ICBM warheads at once at an altitude of about 180 m.

    And 21 March 2008 of the year the SM-3 rocket from the same Lake Erie struck at an altitude of 247 km and hit the American secret satellite L-21 Radarsat with a direct hit. The official designation of this secret spacecraft is USA-193.

    So, in the Far East, American and Japanese destroyers and cruisers can shoot down ballistic missiles of Russian submarines in the initial part of the trajectory, even if they are launched from their own territorial waters.


    This is all of course very impressive, but as they say, there is one BUT, the trajectories of these "little things-gimmicks" were well known to the supposts, the flight paths of our missiles, I hope only approximately. So, about Western illusions, I agree with the author. Even one “Satan” breaking through will inflict unacceptable damage on the enemy, as they put it. These descendants of the monkeys are very afraid of this alone. But the war begins, more precisely, it’s declared (sometimes not declared) not by the military, but by politicians, and as one person said: “Politicians lie to journalists and themselves believe their lies by reading it in the newspapers.”
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 31 March 2013 10: 15 New
      +3
      Not only Satan will break through, even through a nuclear explosion it can go into orbit in polar coordinates, and not necessarily to the North, it can also bring 8 tons of surprises from the South hi
  13. Sirocco
    Sirocco 30 March 2013 13: 51 New
    13
    The existence of such a system in the West is called immoral, Now, really, whose cow would have lowered. So many countries were destroyed with Western democracy, it’s not immoral, yes. I would add to the Perimeter, to restore, such a complex as the BZHRK. Recently standing on the railway crossing, I watched two wagons with three-axle bogies. Maybe these BZHRK already go.
    1. Vitali-46
      Vitali-46 April 5 2013 17: 09 New
      0
      Yes, everything can be !!! of course we mere mortals don’t know much how many surprises there are prepared for any shushira there!
  14. Sirocco
    Sirocco 30 March 2013 14: 00 New
    20
    The US Air Force and Navy will never let our ships reach a distance of 2500 km to the shores of America. Even at the beginning of the Cold War, Academician Sakharov suggested Khrushchev not get involved in an arms race with the United States, but act differently. He said that sooner or later the US will ruin us! (On the other hand, an arms race, a huge and powerful “engine” of technological progress.) Sakharov specifically proposed flooding nuclear bombs around the United States in special capsules, the explosion of which will form a powerful tsunami and wash off the states. In the event of any threat from the United States, the charges can be activated. laughing
    1. Oshin
      Oshin April 1 2013 13: 36 New
      +3

      Are you immoral!)))))))) soldier
      1. Vitali-46
        Vitali-46 April 5 2013 17: 11 New
        0
        To the point, dear !!!! ++++ laughing
    2. dany
      dany April 2 2013 18: 30 New
      0
      They abandoned the idea of ​​deep bombs because the depth in the strategic square did not allow reaching the desired wave sizes.
    3. Snoop
      Snoop April 4 2013 15: 47 New
      0
      What Sakharov .... and kind eyes ... kind ... a little tired laughing
    4. Kalita
      Kalita April 5 2013 09: 54 New
      0
      “The US Air Force and Navy will never let our ships reach a distance of 2500 km to the shores of America.” - So it seems that we’re coming closer. In the media, recently there was a hysteria about this.
  15. VenDora
    VenDora 30 March 2013 15: 04 New
    11
    all sorts of scolding the USSR and what would we be if we did not have all this left as a legacy
  16. T-130
    T-130 30 March 2013 15: 57 New
    +3
    A good idea, but you still need to learn from the victories of enemies, you just need to create the illusion that there are weapons that have no equal anywhere and let them stretch, look and overtake!
  17. nnz226
    nnz226 30 March 2013 16: 58 New
    15
    In the 19 century, an English newspaper (then the United States was the backyard of the world, and the fingers were spread over the English) issued the phrase: “No matter what Russia does, Europe will always criticize it for this! But if Russia is strong, Europe will always find excuse for Russia's actions!” Therefore, Russia must be strong, and then the whole world will justify its actions ...
  18. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 30 March 2013 17: 08 New
    +9
    Quote: Sirocco

    The US Air Force and Navy will never let our ships reach a distance of 2500 km to the shores of America

    Nonsense. Even at 1000 km, the probability of finding a boat is quite small. How does our boat constantly appear near the US coast and go unnoticed in the Mediterranean Sea.
  19. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 30 March 2013 17: 19 New
    +1
    The system is certainly good, but missiles like tomahawks will not interfere with us and the more the better - then the amers will think about their pseudo-invulnerability.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez April 2 2013 17: 21 New
      +1
      do not think -------- nothing (((((((((((((( repeat
  20. rubber_duck
    rubber_duck 30 March 2013 18: 01 New
    +3
    I hasten to reassure everyone, at present there will not be a guaranteed big war.

    Well, thank you, reassured ... The situation in the world one by one resembles the threshold of the First and Second World Wars, but if you say so ...
  21. Vashestambid
    Vashestambid 30 March 2013 18: 01 New
    -30
    Quote: Tartary
    Duc XTO YOU, The Pacifist who managed minus an article to penetrate?
    Open your face, Gulchatai ...



    This I put Minus bully The article promotes the Skynet system and all the terminators there, including the destruction of humanity. love

    ... They would do better an automated system against corruption than constantly cut the budget !! fool

    many journalists demand that all likely opponents be named

    To these honest and noble zhurnalizdy zombie and so zombie population))) laughing

    Attention! You do not have permission to view hidden text.
    1. smile
      smile 30 March 2013 21: 45 New
      +8
      Vashestambid
      Yeah, in vain you opened your face ... some kind of it you have ... not really ....... and the text under your face - in general - at least stand, even fall! :)))))) You are like that girl of light behavior from a joke - you answer any question and any information - there is no tomato! (psychiatrists have something like that about a down boy with his "Maaaaaaaksimka!") one gets the impression that you have more than these four lines in your head and it doesn’t fit, there’s not enough RAM ... :)))
      Can you close it back, huh? We did not like your face ... you gulchat like that ... :)))))
      1. Vashestambid
        Vashestambid 30 March 2013 23: 36 New
        -9
        Quote: smile
        You, like that girl of light behavior from a joke, answer any question and any information - no tomato! (psychiatrists have something like that about a down boy with his "Maaaaaaaksimka!") one gets the impression that you have more than these four lines in your head and it doesn’t fit, there’s not enough RAM ... :)))



        crying
        1. Vitali-46
          Vitali-46 April 5 2013 17: 20 New
          0
          and it’s not at all clear what are you doing here ??
    2. antidote
      antidote 31 March 2013 13: 06 New
      +5
      In impotent anger against the restoration of Russia's military power, small mongrel will troll and carry all the blizzard
    3. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka April 1 2013 00: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: VashEstambid
      anti-corruption automated system,

      And we’ll deal with them, don’t even doubt it !!!! But live and know, just jerk and KIRDYK to all of you ... Personally, it added optimism and pleased me. We are poor, but proud !!!!! the whole world!!!
      1. Kalita
        Kalita April 5 2013 10: 00 New
        0
        "We are poor, but proud !!!" - Yes, and not poor. 3rd place in gold and foreign exchange reserves. wink wink
    4. Vitali-46
      Vitali-46 April 5 2013 17: 18 New
      0
      Yeah, American tamahawks and ICBMs bring peace and love, and the perimeter destroys humanity ??? !!!! Bullshit !!!! Only no nation has been undeveloped to make such a system, and RUSSIAN drunks and drunkards have done! And I'm proud of my people !! !!!!
  22. avia12005
    avia12005 30 March 2013 18: 24 New
    +7
    We have no more corruption than in the United States. Somehow we'll figure it out. And they let them know that we should not even think about the attack on Russia.
  23. Alexey M
    Alexey M 30 March 2013 19: 09 New
    +1
    That just does not come up with a Russian person. By the way, we came up with Cameron to sue the idea with a perimeter (read skynet) we came up with, and he slammed with us. Here's another used cell phones to learn how to do it yourself.
    1. AlexW
      AlexW April 1 2013 06: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexey M
      Here's another used cell phones to learn how to do it yourself.
      Is it that important? Leave Swiss cheese to the Swiss, Cuban cigars to the Cubans, Vietnamese cowards also learned to sew well. And we give them gas, oil, nuclear power plants, rockets and planes ..... We must somehow observe the balance of foreign trade. laughing
  24. matross
    matross 30 March 2013 19: 31 New
    +7
    The likelihood of war with the United States and its allies, of course, is negligible. But! Just because they are afraid of this war, they know about the "Perimeter" and other unpleasant developments for them. Unfortunately, mainly from the Soviet period. But the real threat must be expected from the south. From allahakbar
  25. Ratibor12
    Ratibor12 30 March 2013 19: 38 New
    11
    And how does the "Perimeter" work? But something like that!
  26. Fregate
    Fregate 30 March 2013 19: 43 New
    11
    If this system automatically responds to a nuclear strike, then for any missiles included in its composition there is already a pre-selected target (probably in the USA). Those. if suddenly (just imagine) some other nuclear power hits us, will the USA answer for it? smile Correct if something is wrong.
    1. YuDDP
      YuDDP 30 March 2013 20: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: Fregate
      will the USA be responsible for this?

      take an eraser, erase America
    2. SerAll
      SerAll 30 March 2013 21: 43 New
      +1
      Well, I think the goals are changing, being specified as the situation grows and expanding! life does not stand still ... wink
    3. flanker7
      flanker7 30 March 2013 22: 44 New
      11
      Amer breaking is never in vain. For any there is for what !!
      Article ++
    4. Ascetic
      Ascetic 31 March 2013 00: 55 New
      +7
      Quote: Fregate
      If this system automatically responds to a nuclear strike, then for any missiles included in its composition there is already a pre-selected target (probably in the USA). Those. if suddenly (just imagine) some other nuclear power hits us, will the USA answer for it? Correct if something is wrong.


      If it comes to this, the United States will fly to Europe and China, and Israel will not be forgotten.
      1. dimon-media
        dimon-media 31 March 2013 14: 15 New
        0
        Correctly. Here I am about the same, a little lower.
    5. dimon-media
      dimon-media 31 March 2013 14: 12 New
      +3
      But we don’t care who will answer. If the "Perimeter" is triggered, then consider no one is alive, by definition. And any other country that has nuclear weapons will not risk starting a nuclear war without a signal from the United States. So in any case, the United States will be responsible for the "go-ahead" given to us. But at gunpoint, I think not only the United States. There most likely all of our potential opponents, i.e. "nuclear" allies of the United States.
  27. pinachet
    pinachet 30 March 2013 19: 51 New
    0
    also called the Doomsday system
    1. dimon-media
      dimon-media 31 March 2013 14: 16 New
      +3
      Again, "Terminator" ... I would have liked to call her in Khrushchev's style: - Kuzkina's mother.
  28. Urrry
    Urrry 30 March 2013 21: 20 New
    17
    Yeah, a good system, "The whole world is in ruin!" (with)
    As for immorality - a country that blew up two nuclear bombs over two peaceful cities (with women, children and the elderly) - forever lost the right to use such a word in its vocabulary and also criticize someone for ill-treatment ... any "bloody tyrant" nearby with their act of senseless cruelty, such a terrifying headquarters looks like an innocent sheep ...
    1. Fregate
      Fregate 30 March 2013 22: 05 New
      -14
      The fact that they dropped two batteries in Japan, of course they, given that at that time they could produce two batteries a month, and at the same time they thought it was better, to drop two or save 4-5 batteries every month for 8-10 months and at once ... But, no matter how immoral this was, I would not blame them like that. Firstly, if a real war with Japan had begun, then more people would have died. Secondly, Japan was supposed to attack the USSR, despite the fact that we had just finished the Second World War, the country was in ruins, the losses were ~ 30 million and how much we would have lost. T.ch. there is a twofold attitude, depending on which side to look at.
      1. Dima67
        Dima67 30 March 2013 23: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Fregate
        The fact that they dropped two batteries in Japan, of course they, given that at that time they could produce two batteries a month, and at the same time they thought it was better, to drop two or save 4-5 batteries every month for 8-10 months and at once ... But, no matter how immoral this was, I would not blame them like that. Firstly, if a real war with Japan had begun, then more people would have died. Secondly, Japan was supposed to attack the USSR, despite the fact that we had just finished the Second World War, the country was in ruins, the losses were ~ 30 million and how much we would have lost. T.ch. there is a twofold attitude, depending on which side to look at.
        Excuse me. But you are wrong. Reread the story. So you can justify the carpet bombing of Dresden. And the amers have also benefited us.
      2. Genady1976
        Genady1976 31 March 2013 00: 10 New
        +6
        Amer not against Japan threw bombs and scare the USSR
      3. antidote
        antidote 31 March 2013 13: 11 New
        +5
        Strange knowledge of history. A real war was then waged, and the destruction of two cities in Japan did not have any real effect on hostilities, as did the genocidal bombing of Dresden. Amer only bombs and try to win. And the USSR had to fight with Japan.
        You are either an explicit troll, or you have never read the history of the USSR
        1. SPACE
          SPACE 31 March 2013 18: 26 New
          +4
          They dropped bombs, the cities were Japanese, but the address was Soviet. Some are beaten, others are scared. That was politics.
          1. Tverichanka
            Tverichanka April 1 2013 00: 28 New
            +5
            Quote: SPACE
            Some beat, others scare

            In such cases, my wise grandmother said, “You, daughter, scold, and you, daughter-in-law, listen” ... The meaning of the bombing of Japan was exactly ANYTHING! Japan was almost broken by that time and was not ready for a long resistance. was clear as the day-intimidation of the USSR.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 1 2013 05: 03 New
          +3
          Quote: antidot
          You are either an explicit troll, or you have never read the history of the USSR

          This is not a troll, but a victim of modern education in Russia.
          1. d.gksueyjd
            d.gksueyjd April 3 2013 22: 58 New
            0
            You +++++, I want to add, initiated by Yeltsin’s lasts.
      4. Urrry
        Urrry 31 March 2013 14: 43 New
        10
        I am talking specifically about the "immorality" of their act, and not about the "expediency" (although the second concept here is more than doubtful). Not everything that is expedient is moral, Hitler also acted on the basis of his understandable "expediency" by destroying the "extra" population in his opinion ... the fact is that the perpetrator of such a headquarters has no more right to reproach others for committing lesser him atrocities. Nobody. Neither Stalin, nor Hussein, nor Gaddafi, nor Assad .... because any of them is unlikely to reach their “expediency” in destroying children and women in obviously peaceful cities, intentionally, without exception, without any chance of their salvation and possibility, at least somehow defend oneself, surrender, counting on the mercy of the winner. There is truly something devilish, inhuman in this ...
        And yes, the Perimeter cannot be more immoral than such a bombing just because the United States has a chance to avoid it: not to destroy Russia with nuclear weapons ... they are warned about this condition in advance and the choice is entirely theirs. But the United States just did not give any chances to Japan. And what is the "immorality" of the "Perimeter"? Do not bomb Russia - and it will never be applied, everything is simple and fair.
        1. Dima67
          Dima67 31 March 2013 18: 59 New
          0
          For comments +++
        2. Vitali-46
          Vitali-46 April 5 2013 17: 26 New
          0
          That's exactly what the perimeter is ANSWER TO THE BAD OF NW IN RUSSIA !!
      5. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka April 1 2013 00: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: Fregate
        Japan was supposed to attack the USSR

        I’m surprised with you ... at least you would have looked at history for the 6th grade, my dear, before carrying nonsense here. It’s a shame not to know things that are easy to understand .. And since you don’t know, don’t sculpt stupid posts, pass for smart ... Sorry, that is a little rude, but the hell takes from such statements ...
      6. Nord007hold
        Nord007hold April 1 2013 03: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Fregate
        Japan was supposed to attack the USSR, despite the fact that we had just finished the Second World War, the country was in ruins, the losses were ~ 30 million.

        Yah?
        Soviet troops, at the peak of combat experience and those. the equipment would be eaten by the Kwantung army without choking.
        1. d.gksueyjd
          d.gksueyjd April 3 2013 23: 02 New
          +3
          They ate it! The atomic bombing certainly accelerated the end of World War II, but the war ended precisely because of the defeat of the Kwantung Army by the Soviet troops.
      7. max-02215
        max-02215 April 4 2013 09: 09 New
        0
        It’s very bad, probably history has been taught in new reform books? What would they know - at that time the Nana army had already defeated, let me be corrected, in 9 days the Kwantung Japanese group, 5 millionth, mind you, defeated the garrisons in the Northern Kuril Islands. Amer almost destroyed the Japanese surface fleet, so that they erased 2 multi-million cities in order to scare us
  29. awerkiev
    awerkiev 30 March 2013 22: 39 New
    +2
    You can call this system according to the existing Russian tradition "Mushroom clearing" laughing
  30. baku1999
    baku1999 30 March 2013 23: 58 New
    +9
    GIVE A PERIMETER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the BZHRK and the entire missile and nuclear triad !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BECAUSE THE PEOPLE'S PEOPLE EXCEPT FORCES ARE NOT AFRAID OF ANYTHING, EXACTLY THEIR ZHIDOMASSONSKY WALLETS AS THEY SAY THAT WILL BE. PEACE AND MONEY RULE THEY, AND THE FIRST VALUE IS TO PRESS THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THERE WILL NOT BE A DOLLAR, NOTHING TO PAY FOR THE WAR, AND FOR SIMPLY SO THEY WILL NOT TAKE OFF THEIR HAMMAR FROM HAMAK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Gemar
      Gemar 31 March 2013 04: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: baku1999
      GIVE A PERIMETER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Don’t scream like that! wassat
      Quote: baku1999
      WILL NOT BE A DOLL, NOTHING TO PAY FOR WAR

      Soon we will pay the RMB! what
      Quote: baku1999
      HOW THEY SAY AND WILL BE. PEACE AND MONEY RULE THEY, AND THE FIRST VALUE IS TO PRESS THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Stop... belay Really after Makarov Zhirinovsky came to us ???
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 31 March 2013 22: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Gamar
        Really after Makarov Zhirinovsky came to us ???

        noooooo ... no Zhirik less than a colonel is not aggravated ... but here is corporal, mountainous laughing But for the slogans plus set, for a long time urapatriotov was inaudible yes
  31. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 31 March 2013 01: 42 New
    +4
    It is necessary to put a command missile of the Perimeter system on the railway complex! And let the adversaries break their heads ...
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka April 1 2013 00: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      "Perimeter" to the railway complex

      And why do you think that she is not there?
  32. andrei332809
    andrei332809 31 March 2013 08: 25 New
    +2
    well, let it be on duty, you can sleep peacefully
  33. awerkiev
    awerkiev 31 March 2013 09: 33 New
    +2
    I was very happy to learn that such a system exists, and since it is certain that it is on combat duty today!
  34. rodevaan
    rodevaan 31 March 2013 09: 48 New
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    Gentlemen
    As a friend of the FSB officer told me a very long time ago, when we started talking with him about the country's defense capabilities (and this was, in my opinion, the year 2002 or 2003, in general, they were still head over heels in Russia), that not everything is as bad as usual thinking and not everything is as hopeless as is commonly believed. For there are forces in the country and there are means that are not customary to speak out loud, but which work only for the interests of the country and only in the name of the interests and vitality of the country and are not directly subordinate to the government.
    And these forces have very good capabilities, technologies and levers to restrain all potential "partner friends" who grind their rotten teeth on our country. And this is not only one nuclear weapon. If we didn’t have these forces and means, he said, we would have trampled it for a long time and would have flooded here back in the 90s, to plant shit democracy on abrams and phantoms.
    Personally, I believe in this theory, and I really hope that these forces do exist and do not fall under the influence of “shitty democratic values,” but work for the good of the country and a peaceful sky above our heads.
    1. Letnab
      Letnab 31 March 2013 15: 28 New
      0
      God forbid that it was so !!!
    2. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka April 1 2013 00: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: rodevaan
      Personally, I believe in this theory,

      But why not believe it? After all, we remember what happened in the late 80s and beyond throughout the 90s. Everything seemed to be taken with your bare hands. But .... but for some reason they didn’t take it, right? Yes, robbed, yes, destroyed a lot, yes, weakened ... and what would not bring the matter to an end? Take control, or better yet, take out or cut all the nuclear weapons? Logically, it should be so. After that, we would have nothing to brush off ... So it turns out that there were people who didn’t give a damn about Gorbachev, then Yeltsin with all his “seven-bankers”. And these people had power, otherwise they could have prevented the further development of negative events. And today it’s it is comforting that these people have not gone anywhere and are defending our interests. And therefore we don’t need to be afraid and panic, like many here, with or without ... Everything is not so bad at all. And maybe even better than us trying to impress ..
    3. Vitali-46
      Vitali-46 April 5 2013 17: 32 New
      0
      I completely agree with you Dear !! We all understand that the amers are at war with those who are weaker than them !!!! And since they don’t come to us, then they’re fuckers! They understand that we can say that they will sweat !!
  35. erased
    erased 31 March 2013 12: 31 New
    +2
    Yes, such a technique is urgently needed at the present time! The US is preparing to attack, we need a reliable shield. And the sword, of course.
  36. knn54
    knn54 31 March 2013 13: 09 New
    +4
    As far as I remember - no artificial intelligence. Launchers with cruise missiles are scattered throughout the country, where instead of warheads, autonomous nuclear-weapon-type control systems are built in. In the event of a massive nuclear strike, the launch of even one such missile (in the event of a loss of communication or simply at the command of a person) can provide a start command for the entire surviving nuclear potential. By the time of the collapse of the Union, the radio system (let the Petersburgers not be offended) was damp. I'd like to believe that everything has been brought to mind, and not another horror story in response to the latest Western news in the field of RSN.
    It is entirely possible that the Perimeter complex should be modernized so that it can respond quickly to a strike by the Tomahawk Nuclear Nuclear Cruise Missiles — the most remarkable place in the article. There is nothing to develop nuclear weapons - just support them. It is necessary to develop high-precision, non-nuclear weapons that can be used without regard to various treaties. The guarantee of the country's security is not weapons, but PEOPLE who are ready to defend the country. Stop hoping for only one “wunderwaffle”.
    PS A similar complex AN / DRC-8 Emergency Rocket Communications System in the 91st Americans removed from service!
    1. Firstvanguard
      Firstvanguard April 1 2013 06: 36 New
      +2
      It’s necessary to develop high precision,non-nuclear weapons delivery vehicles which can be applied without regard to various agreements on which you can fasten the warhead corresponding to the task wink
  37. antidote
    antidote 31 March 2013 13: 20 New
    0
    I read like one famously twisted American political detective. So there they talked about the real use of the Perimeter. There it was called the Dead Hand. Someone from the main anti-heroes of the novel provoked a nuclear attack on the Russian Federation with several missiles, and despite the “corruption of our military elite” and attempts to appeal to the Russian leadership not to retaliate, the attack on the USA was very powerful
  38. Rossmk
    Rossmk 31 March 2013 14: 38 New
    0
    And this system is compatible with the latest weapons (rs-24 poplar mace). or can she give the launch command only to old people like Satan? hi
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 31 March 2013 17: 09 New
      +2
      The essence of the system is as follows: There are eyes and ears, this is an SPRN Missile Attack Warning System consisting of missile launch tracking satellites and over-the-horizon radar stations. If through some channels a message arrives about the launch of missiles or their movement in our direction, the Perimeter system is automatically turned on, which consists of thousands of different sensors and communications, at the same time they come into full strategic readiness of the strategic nuclear forces, including through the ELF transmitter Zeus, submarine RPKSN and are activated Nuclear Suitcases, Kazbek systems. The perimeter and strategic nuclear forces are in standby mode for a start signal from two of the three UHFs or until the Perimeter system detects the effects of a nuclear explosion or detects a violation of communications with command centers. And then it turns on the APOKALIPSIS. It doesn’t matter to whom to launch, a command missile is a backup of the Perimeter system and can be located on any missile, including and poplar, and even the rocket itself is optional, as well as people. The principle of foil on the window through which current flows, as soon as you break the window, the circuit will break and the siren will turn on.
      1. georg737577
        georg737577 31 March 2013 20: 38 New
        +2
        Actually, it’s still easier. The system regularly receives a signal that “postpones” the time of the automatically programmed start, which cannot be canceled, it can only be postponed to a later date. If one day the “delay start” signal does not come (it’s clear why), then an automatic start will occur. And this may be months after an enemy strike. So the element of surprise will be ...
      2. morpex
        morpex 31 March 2013 23: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: SPACE
        The essence of the system is as follows:

        There is such a writer - science fiction writer Alexander Bachilo. In his fantastic novel “You Can Help Alive” (ed. Young Guard) 1990) It is one to one, exactly as you described about the operation of this system. There, after a nuclear war, one professor sat in the bunker and pressed the button every 24 hours to cancel the launch order. And so throughout life. He thought he was left alone ..
        I mean, if Russia or America gives a command to use nuclear potential against each other, then no Perimeters, Star Wars, or any crap will save. There will be a complete cubicle to everyone and everything ...
        1. SPACE
          SPACE 31 March 2013 23: 41 New
          +1
          Thanks, but I tried to remember, I forgot the name. Yes, there is such a story, I read it for a long time. Most likely, this system fell into the plot of the story. Only the difference there, in the story, the person controls, in reality it starts itself, and there is no possibility of a delay or stop, that’s the point, otherwise there will be nothing to start. The principle of "Guaranteed Destruction" works.
        2. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka April 1 2013 00: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: morpex
          There will be a complete cubicle to everyone and everything.

          Even if so ... But it’s still nice to think that a potential adversary WILL be punished. I personally have such a balance warms the soul, even though I'm not a bloodthirsty person.
        3. kostyan77708
          kostyan77708 April 4 2013 08: 42 New
          0
          The big question is whether the Amer’s ICBMs will fly ??? Yesterday the article was about this, sorry I can’t find the link. Their prospects are not at all joyful; the article describes everything in detail about the US Californian strategic nuclear forces.
  39. bazillius
    bazillius 31 March 2013 15: 37 New
    +1
    Good, helpful article.
  40. denikin
    denikin 31 March 2013 16: 11 New
    +2
    I think that the perimeter is in service and the US RUMO is aware of this. If the implementation of the Nunn-Lugar program in the Russian Federation continued, then this deterrence system would be destroyed by the Americans. As long as there is an army and Strategic Rocket Forces, the former USSR countries are not afraid of anything.
  41. Andrey58
    Andrey58 31 March 2013 17: 48 New
    0
    They say that the system has its own computing complex, which allows you to make a decision about striking.
    Autonomous command and control system

    The mythical component of the system is a key element of the Doomsday Machine, the existence of which there is no reliable information. Some proponents of the existence of such a system believe that this is a complex expert system, equipped with many communication systems and sensors that monitor the combat situation. This system presumably tracks the presence and intensity of talks on air at military frequencies, the receipt of telemetry signals from the Strategic Missile Forces posts, the level of radiation on the surface and in the vicinity, the regular occurrence of point sources of powerful ionizing and electromagnetic radiation along key coordinates, which coincide with the sources of short-term seismic disturbances in the earth's crust (which corresponds to the picture of multiple ground nuclear strikes), and, possibly, the presence of living people on the CP. Based on the correlation of these factors, the system is likely to make the final decision on the need for a retaliatory strike.

    Another prospective version of the system’s operation is that when receiving information about the first signs of a missile attack, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief puts the system in combat mode. After that, if for a certain time the command post of the system does not receive a signal to stop the combat algorithm, then command missiles are launched.

    In an unofficial interview with Wired magazine, one of the system’s developers, Vladimir Yarynich, reports the following information about the algorithm of the Perimeter system:
    “It was designed to be in a dormant state until a senior official activates it in a crisis situation. Then she would begin to monitor a network of sensors - seismic, radiation, atmospheric pressure - for signs of nuclear explosions. Before launching a retaliatory strike, the system would have to check four “ifs”: if the system had been activated, it would first try to determine if there had been any use of nuclear weapons on Soviet territory. If this turned out to be true, the system would check for communications with the General Staff. If there was a connection, the system would automatically shut down after some time - from 15 minutes to an hour - passed without further signs of an attack, on the assumption that the officials capable of issuing a counterattack order are still alive. But if there was no connection, the Perimeter would have decided that Judgment Day had come, and immediately transferred the right to make the decision to launch to anyone who at that moment was deep in a protected bunker, bypassing the usual numerous instances.
  42. Sochi
    Sochi 31 March 2013 18: 25 New
    +2
    if there is such a system, then this is excellent! if not, then create-restore. This is a guarantee against fools of opponents.
  43. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 31 March 2013 19: 40 New
    0
    Fragment from unpublished memoirs:
    To cool the evil passions of the overseas “hawks”, a dispersed network of mine-based ballistic missiles with atomic warheads was created on the territory of the USSR. The mines are well camouflaged and able to survive even at the epicenter of an atomic explosion. This is the main, shock, but not the most important part of the "Perimeter". Without a command from the outside, even the fully automated, highly reliable Perimeter is not capable of delivering a retaliation strike at the enemy.
    In the event of a communication failure or the death of all command points of control, a system for automatically launching missiles, the "Dead Hand", was created. Hundreds, or maybe thousands of sensors, monitor the radioactive background of the atmosphere, the seismic state of the lithosphere, the operation of radio stations, the presence of living people at our military facilities, the state of telephone and radio communications and some other parameters and transmit them to supercomputers that evaluate their compliance with peacetime standards. When the parameters are changed to a critical level, the launch system gives command to the missiles, and they go on the road to enemy cities, military bases and other objects.
    This, of course, is only a simplified scheme of the “Perimeter” operation, no one knows all the details, since each part of the task was carried out by different people who did not know about its ultimate goal. Someone installed sensors, someone dug mines, someone mounted missiles and control systems in them, someone integrated the entire system and closed it to control centers, not knowing about all elements of the system.
    The control system is duplicated by launching a control missile, giving a command to launch combat missiles, if the command center is accidentally damaged. Naturally, our enemies dream of destroying the "Dead Hand", neutralizing the "Perimeter" and untying their hands for a preemptive strike. "
  44. Edward
    Edward 31 March 2013 20: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Sochi
    if there is such a system, then this is excellent! if not, then create-restore. This is a guarantee against fools of opponents.

    This is a guarantee from clever allies.
    We then know that this system is.
    And let them get lost.
    And we are pleased and not easy for them!
  45. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 31 March 2013 20: 31 New
    +1
    I don’t know if anyone watched the film "Doctor Streiglav or how I stopped being afraid and fell in love with the atomic bomb" of 1964? There, too, was about the "dead hand", or rather there it was called "Doomsday Machine" and this thing was on the military and the USSR laughing
    1. zvereok
      zvereok April 1 2013 22: 20 New
      0
      This is when he, from orbit, descended into a post-apocalypse?
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior April 2 2013 08: 35 New
        0
        No, this is when the bogeyman general sent bombers to the Union, and the rest decided what to do, warn the Russians or hit everyone with what is laughing
        Not a big fan of Pedivikia, but there will be no harm:
        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%EE%EA%F2%EE%F0_%D1%F2%F0%E5%E9%ED%E4%E6%EB%E0%E
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        F%EE%EB%FE%E1%E8%EB_%E1%EE%EC%E1%F3

        smile
  46. xomaNN
    xomaNN 31 March 2013 21: 43 New
    0
    The idea of ​​the system is interesting. It will be a pity to find out if it, along with other developments of the Union, was squandered and lost forever.
  47. zinander
    zinander 31 March 2013 21: 51 New
    +1
    In the light of recent events in the world, there’s nothing to even think about. Any immoral system needs to be restored.
  48. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 31 March 2013 22: 02 New
    +5
    I don’t want to look like such a bloodthirsty ...

    At a distance of 500-600 nautical miles from the US coast in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, we place a chain of nuclear power with the capacity of 50-60 kT.
    With the simultaneous undermining of at least some of them, the tsunami wave that has arisen washes both coasts clean.
    And if you calculate the nuclear explosions taking into account the amplitude of the “surf” of the tsunami, the effect can be enhanced many times ....

    Sorry for the bird, Panamash ...
    hi
  49. Templar
    Templar 31 March 2013 22: 48 New
    +1
    I liked the article. I hope this is true. Or we are simply blinded by an eye, they say not all were killed, etc.
  50. and she
    and she 31 March 2013 23: 01 New
    +1
    It’s a good article. If only the railway missile systems were revived - the Americans also had much less honor.