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Saudi Arabia is ready to replace Russia in the production of Ukrainian aircraft

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Ukraine’s promises to find, instead of Russia, other partners in the production of the An aircraft, may begin to come true. A proposal to create a joint venture with Ukraine was put forward by Saudi Arabia. A few years ago, representatives of this country declared that they really needed Ukrainian An-70, which Russia is refusing.


Saudi Arabia is ready to replace Russia in the production of Ukrainian aircraft


The most promising and competitive in Ukraine aerospace industry in the conditions of cooling relations with Russia found partners in the face of the Arabs.

On Friday, the Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov met with representatives of the government of Saudi Arabia, after which the parties announced the agreement reached. In particular, Prince Turki bin Saud bin Mohammed Al Saud said that Saudi Arabia is ready to become a strategic partner of Ukraine, and besides is interested in establishing cooperation with Ukraine in all spheres of the aerospace industry.

Prince, Vice-President of the Scientific and Technological Center. King Abdulaziz emphasized the fact that Ukraine has a huge potential in the aircraft industry and space industry and, accordingly, Saudi Arabia is interested in cooperation in these promising areas.

"We are interested in co-production in the territory of Saudi Arabia of the An family of airplanes," the government’s press service quoted him as saying, UNIAN reports.

Currently, in the framework of international cooperation, the leading Ukrainian developer of aircraft engineering GP Antonov (Kiev) is promoting the world’s new generation of An-148 / 158 regional aircraft on the 68-99 passengers with a range from 2 to 4,4 thousand kilometers

The Antonov transport aircraft, including the multipurpose An-32 and An-74, the heavy transport An-124-100 Ruslan, as well as the average transport An-70, were the most famous on the world market.

An-148 is an aircraft of the Ukrainian design bureau, but the final product is produced in Russia, in Voronezh, and the degree of localization is about 80% (Russian components).

An-124 Ruslan and An-70 are joint projects in the aircraft industry of Russia and Ukraine, which Russia may refuse in the near future.

“The problem with the An-124 Ruslan is that the Ukrainian side is very tight on agreeing to transfer to us consent to modernize individual units of this aircraft. But we will no longer wait and take advantage of international experience,” said in late August Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.

According to him, if Ukraine does not make a decision now, then "then we will simply have to localize all production. And abandon their services completely. Who will they work with? With the Chinese? Sell the Chinese? China is also far advanced in this regard Why do they need Ukraine? ".

Rogozin responded no less harshly about the An-70 project (at the beginning of September, Russia practically froze the An-70 production program). In particular, the Deputy Prime Minister noted that An-70 in its technical characteristics is practically a direct competitor of the Russian Il-476.

"I will ask a question: why do we need a multi-family, besides with a partial series? Do we need to produce at our own enterprise, say, 50 Il-476 and 50 An-70? We are interested in large series, in serious loading of our enterprises and in specialization, so that each plant does not turn into a subsistence economy, "Rogozin explained.

This interview Rogozin did not go unnoticed. Almost immediately, correspondent quarrel with him was entered by the general designer of the state-owned enterprise Antonov, Dmitry Kiva. "I heard an interview with Rogozin, who called him (An-70 - approx. VIEW) virtual plane and competitor Il-76. What kind of virtual? Here he really flies on MAKS. We specifically brought him," said Kiva.

According to him, in the world there are only four aircraft that can carry the entire range of necessary military equipment and weapons, as well as take off and land on shorter lanes, including unpaved –American С17, European А400М, Chinese Yun 20 and Russian-Ukrainian An -70.

At the same time, Kiva warned that if Russia abandoned the An-70 project, the Antonov state-owned enterprise was ready to launch the construction of this model in another country. “I have four western countries that want to cooperate with us. Let Russia refuse the An-70, tomorrow I will launch the aircraft in mass production in another country. They are already standing and asking. True, the Russian will suffer aviation industry, which is involved in the cooperation on the production of An-70, "he said.

Saudi Arabia has long been eyeing Ukrainian aircraft. Back at the beginning of 2006, during a visit to the ASTC. Oleg Antonov, representatives of the delegation of Saudi Arabia, led by the Minister of Industry and Commerce, said that the country needs a specialized cargo ramp aircraft with a carrying capacity of 35-40 tons, and the Ukrainian A-70 short take-off and landing aircraft meet the best requirements.

At the same time, the issue of equipping airlines and government agencies in Saudi Arabia with passenger An-140, An-148, multipurpose An-74 aircraft, as well as a number of special-purpose aircraft based on them was discussed.

The aircraft industry is clearly not the industry that can be called a priority for oil-rich Saudi Arabia. There is no information on the production of aircraft in its open sources on its territory, but it is known about contracts for the purchase of aircraft (in particular, military aircraft) from the United States and Great Britain.
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  1. mirag2
    mirag2 8 October 2013 07: 23
    +6
    If you discard the policy of the brotherhood of peoples, as Ukraine did and think about money, then cooperation with Saudi Arabia is an interesting option, because it is a financial source, but dangerous, because even the states created the entire intelligence service there, and they hate Russia there, almost like in Israel , so that it is not known where all of our aircraft development will be.
    Now, if they sell ready-made aircraft.
    1. Canep
      Canep 8 October 2013 08: 17
      20
      Yes, spit on the Saudis on these aircraft. They need points of application of their influence in Ukraine. So they climb into all the cracks.
      1. Constantine
        Constantine 8 October 2013 09: 31
        0
        Quote: Canep
        Yes, spit on the Saudis on these aircraft. They need points of application of their influence in Ukraine. So they climb into all the cracks.


        In addition, you can breed the Ukrainians and pull their technology, and then push the same Chinese. Incidentally, there is a controversial issue on patents. If Russia will block the use of its achievements, and we can do it, then Ukraine, with the current state of the aviation industry, will work for a long time to replace them, and I doubt very much that with such an internal policy as there, they will master the production of such aircraft in one wicket. Even if the Saudis give money. smile
        1. Kars
          Kars 8 October 2013 14: 14
          +4
          Quote: Constantine
          pull their technology, and then push the same Chinese

          What a complex process. Especially considering that Antonov already cooperates with China. And that through Saudi Arabia.

          In fact, the Arabs are not fools either, and they understand that apart from trade in resources, something else is also necessary. Let’s remember how the Russian Federation built a grenade launcher plant, where do you think? In Saudi Arabia.
          Quote: Constantine
          If Russia blocks the use of its developments, and we can do it

          Could have done already.
          Quote: Constantine
          that with such an internal policy as there, they will master the production of such aircraft in one wicket

          And why didn’t domestic politics please you? There is a question - it’s money, and the Vespers of today is very interested in success.
          1. Constantine
            Constantine 8 October 2013 14: 29
            0
            Could have done already.

            More likely no than yes. The reasons for the use of technology by third parties were not, and therefore the grounds. At least I do not know about such cases. Everything should be spelled out in the texts of the agreement between the Russian Federation and Ukraine on this project.

            And why didn’t domestic politics please you? There is a question - it’s money, and the Vespers of today is very interested in success.

            The fact that the aviation industry of Ukraine remained, for the most part, on paper. The fact that related industries are in about the same situation. If we add here also foreign policy, then the Russophobia of the so-called. the "elite" led to the fact that the joint venture broke down. If you look at the root causes, then the break in relations on the part of the transport worker is not Rogozin's merit, as the author of the article tries to present. The reasons are much deeper, and the question is older. As a result, to please the politicians, the Academy of Sciences turned into a bargaining chip, which, in fact, is going to be used in the same vein even now. And the association with the EU is likely to have a negative impact on the industry as specialists will be pulled into the same Airbus and Boeing.

            So, in my opinion, the fate of the Tu-70 awaits the AN-334. They will talk a lot, but the plane will not go into the series. An-124 Ukraine is hardly able to produce, and the small passenger Arabs simply do not need it. strongly lobby of the hosts and their Boeing and Airbus.
            1. Kars
              Kars 8 October 2013 15: 40
              +4
              Quote: Constantine
              More likely no than yes

              if you could
              Quote: Constantine
              At least I do not know about such cases.

              It was in aviation? In the remaining aspects - that even the construction of hovercraft-China for the Russian Federation tried to prevent this. Pakistan tank contract and so on.
              Quote: Constantine
              The fact that the aviation industry of Ukraine has remained, for the most part, on paper.

              What is strange then, what is it bothering with? Arabs will be divorced on paper, etc. And the fact that for a long time they hoped for cooperation with Russia is a mistake in foreign policy.
              Quote: Constantine
              If we add here also foreign policy, then the Russophobia of the so-called. "elite

              Or maybe the Ukrainians of your so-called elites? Yes, neo-imperialism?
              Quote: Constantine
              Yes, and association with the EU is likely to negatively affect the industry. specialists pulled into the same Airbus and Boeing.

              It’s interesting what is stopping these specialists from leaving for Europe now?
              Quote: Constantine
              slaves just do not need it. strongly lobby of the hosts and their Boeing and Airbus.

              Here they’ve already vryatli - Arabs have money and buy what they want. Otherwise, explain how it turned out that Arab countries acquired Russian weapons.
              1. Constantine
                Constantine 8 October 2013 16: 07
                -3
                http://topwar.ru/34295-cena-associacii-s-es-dlya-aviastroeniya.html

                Read. There, someone wrote in more detail about some points from my comments. Of course, I understand that you love Ukraine, but objectively, the situation is very bad.

                What is strange then, what is it bothering with? Arabs will be divorced on paper, etc. And the fact that for a long time they hoped for cooperation with Russia is a mistake in foreign policy.


                Ordinary people hoped, and your politicians somehow do not care about your hopes, apparently.

                Or maybe the Ukrainians of your so-called elites? Yes, neo-imperialism?

                Ukraine is part of Russia, which was singled out as a separate project at the end of the 30th - beginning of the XNUMXth centuries, and then alienated. Such a concept as a state, Ukraine never existed, and Ukraine itself, as such, until its recognition by the Bolsheviks, also did not exist. (They recognized her only because the situation was like that). Learn the story of Thalerhof, for example. Only not the one that was written over the past XNUMX years, but the real one. The same neo-imperialism is a common occurrence, and given the fact that Ukraine is a Russian land, Russia's attitude towards Ukraine is quite natural.

                It’s interesting what is stopping these specialists from leaving for Europe now?


                Hope.

                Quote: Kars
                Here they’ve already vryatli - Arabs have money and buy what they want. Otherwise, explain how it turned out that Arab countries acquired Russian weapons.


                Arabs to Arabs. About Western Arabs, and more specifically Qatar, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, etc., sit mainly on Western technology.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 8 October 2013 16: 01
            0
            Quote: Kars
            . At the same time, let's remember how the Russian Federation built a plant for the production of grenade launchers, where do you think? In Saudi Arabia.

            I compared the ass with a finger, where are the grenade launchers, where are the planes
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 8 October 2013 12: 46
        0
        Quote: Canep
        Yes, spit on the Saudis on these aircraft. They need points of application of their influence in Ukraine. So they climb into all the cracks.


        Quite right ... This is apparently some kind of pressure on our aircraft manufacturers. Actually, if there really is a queue of those who wish to be built, let them take it. The end result is that "Antonov" will belong to the Saudis. Let the Turks sell what is left of Makeyev's design bureau, and be just beauty.
    2. Siberian German
      Siberian German 8 October 2013 16: 34
      +1
      the Saudis outgrew the purchase of products - they go further they need technology and Ukraine would be stupid to refuse such cooperation if certain subtleties on technology transfer are agreed, etc. And the fact that they are looking for partners is a proverb - a holy place does not happen - we needed to hold them tight
    3. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 8 October 2013 20: 49
      0
      Quote: mirag2
      If you discard the policy of the brotherhood of peoples, as Ukraine did and think about money, then cooperation with Saudi Arabia is an interesting option, because it is a financial source, but dangerous, because even the states created the entire intelligence service there, and they hate Russia there, almost like in Israel , so it’s not known where all of our aircraft development will be. It would be if they sold ready-made planes to them.

      This is all a pun. Carrot for a donkey. Will Saudi Arabia buy the Ukrainian AN-70 or even produce it at home? What will the Boeing and the American owners say to this?
      As for the aircraft itself for the Russian Federation, then if there is no union with Ukraine, it is necessary to abandon it. This is not only a political. But also an economic decision. Russia does not need a plane if its supplying country is not our ally. IL-76MD is more relevant for Russian realities. All the same, our army is imprisoned under it.
  2. My address
    My address 8 October 2013 07: 26
    +5
    Yes, with money and a poultry farm to build a plane. But will it fly and how much will it cost ...
    And so, this is just one of the elements of the removal of Ukraine from Russia.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 8 October 2013 08: 44
      -6
      You have to live. So you have to spin. Why are we moving away from Russia? Don't look for a speck of dust in someone else's eye. Yes, Ukraine is not permanent. And why? Citizen Putin, the loyal companion of the alcoholic and the thief of Yeltsin, has too much Jesuit and bile. This dwarf with imperial ambitions and a dead face after plastic surgery is slowly and surely surrendering Russia. It is a pity that you do not see this. You do not see a "humane" policy for the Chinese invasion in the east. You do not see an uncontrolled avalanche from the Central Asian republics. You do not see a disdainful attitude towards the Slavic neighbors. He rents you. Who is he? Patriot? No. He is a member of the St. Petersburg brigade. He does not surrender "his" ones, but covers them (redheads, stools, etc.). As long as such a city is in power both with you and with us, we will sit in the village. But practically nothing depends on us. Some of our people have a bad trait to lick the boyar's ass and beat the owner with his forehead.
      And most importantly. Ukraine has found a partner. Well, Russia does not want Antonov cars, but the goods require marketing. We do not indicate Russia with whom to be friends, with whom to trade. Like it or not. Thank Putin. He did everything to push the people of Ukraine from the first day of his reign.
      1. Constantine
        Constantine 8 October 2013 09: 32
        +1
        Did he even understand what he retold? wassat
      2. shark
        shark 8 October 2013 09: 33
        +5
        Let me disagree with you in your assessments of the leader of my country. Putin is not a bearer of the Russian national idea, he is not a collector of Russian land. Yes, he is surrounded by liberal scum and oligarchic cattle. But his main task, it seems to me, is much smaller but no less important. It is necessary to preserve what is left, and above all this state. And it was from these positions that he, as you put it, "pushed the people away Ukraine from the first day of his reign "And in fact he just said, you are independent, so let's do it yourself. If you want it cheaper, welcome back home. Have a walk and enough. You like it or not, but this is a completely natural and normal position.
        Now, referring to the next statement - "Some of our people have a bad trait, to lick the boyar's ass and beat the owner with his forehead." What can I say, this is our mentality. Such a system of government has existed in our country for centuries. And it has proved the right to exist. At least "lick the boyar's ass" in comparison with the fact that your western boyars will have you in the same ass, not so bad. And they will. They now have a norm of sexual behavior. So to say, everything is civilized ..
        We must not blame Putin, but this rotten democracy. Which raises to the top all the worst that people have. All the most obscene human qualities (arrogance, importunity, rudeness, greed and self-confidence) are considered to be the main guarantors of success. Slavs, simply rotting from this abomination. We are not accustomed to this as the Anglo-Saxons.
        And with regards to the partner that Ukraine found, we could only wish for further fruitful cooperation. We only saw such partners on our own skin. To ruin, to remove valuable equipment, to lure our brains. That's the whole partnership. But the most important thing is when Ukraine will understand that all these friends and partners have not economic, but purely political goals. And which ones? Anyone will call you here. Regards.
      3. My address
        My address 8 October 2013 09: 47
        +4
        Yuri (Captain Vrungel)!

        In many ways you are right. Especially in the authorities. But why do people conclude about their future on the behavior of these temporary worker? Among my acquaintances, mostly from the Urals, for the union with Ukraine, practically everything. But there are very few supporters of GDP among them. Liberast among friends there.

        I paraphrase Stalin-Putin and Yanukovich will leave, but the people will remain. Why many in Ukraine do not think two steps forward? Why believe that all Russians are like GDP? hi
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 8 October 2013 10: 55
          -1
          In polls, even on the show of political prostitution Savik Shuster, the majority was in favor of an alliance with Russia and Belarus, but as soon as Yanukovych's bandits fled into the EU, realizing that Putin's bandits would take their business away from the Customs Union, Putin immediately began to put pressure on Ukraine. The pans are fighting, the forelocks of the slaves are cracking. From your guarantor, who imagines himself the emperor of all Russia, only threats and demands. What kind of partnership can we talk about. Personally, from this mess and obscurity, lawlessness and life "in terms of" a handful of scoundrels who seized power and perpetrated anarchy for the people, got it. I remembered the movie about my hometown "Intervention". May give up again. It will not be worse. The invaders do not have enough brains to behave so cynically, hypocritically, insolently and stealthily with the people. A bitter joke, however, but ...
          1. My address
            My address 8 October 2013 12: 34
            0
            Yuri!

            Judging by your comments, you are not an oligarch and not a servant of oligarchs. From the union with Russia can lose only these. You and most at least will not lose. So why support these? I have repeatedly been in the center and in the east of Ukraine on business trips, rested in the Crimea. In Odessa, unfortunately, was not. I know a little about the industry of Russia. Therefore, I assure you, the center, east, south are necessary for Russia and people there will win (sorry for the card term). And this does not even mean a decrease in gas prices.

            So after all, why do the people of Ukraine increasingly mistrust Yanukovych and increasingly support him away from Russia?
            1. Captain Vrungel
              Captain Vrungel 8 October 2013 14: 07
              -2
              Alexander! I completely agree with you. Served honestly in the USSR. Serve the bandits in the new state formations Russia, Ukraine, do not respect yourself. Time will return everything to its place. Not our capitalist system. Not that we have thinking. I work in a team where people of different nationalities of the former USSR are not enthusiastic about their new homelands and especially the system and rulers.
              1. My address
                My address 8 October 2013 17: 43
                +1
                And it is interesting, Yuri, what kind of paddla to you is a minus for this comment?
                Oh! What did I switch to production terms?
            2. Kars
              Kars 8 October 2013 14: 32
              +3
              Quote: My address
              You are not an oligarch or a servant of oligarchs. From an alliance with Russia, only these can be lost.

              It’s cool. But if you start the razbiratsa, then all the servants of the aligarchs. Even a simple seller at a kiosk - where people who work at a factory owned by ..aligarha or even just an aligarch delivering something to a factory. And civil servants receive money from taxes (which you had to give) an aligarch. And you openly admit that they will lose all, but not additionally gain. And if someone loses, then someone (as I understand your aligarchs) finds it.
              1. My address
                My address 8 October 2013 22: 10
                0
                That is a good man gangster? Maybe oligarch zvezanut?
                Are there any normal ideas?
          2. Fin
            Fin 8 October 2013 12: 37
            0
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            What kind of partnerships can be discussed.

            Under capitalism, there are no partnerships and never had anyone with anyone. When the interests of equals collide, there is a struggle to weaken the enemy. If the forces are not equal, then the stronger will always take more. Sorry, but at the moment you are weaker and there will be no equality by definition. It is high time to understand this. The Saudis extended a hand of "help" for you to leave the Russian Federation completely. They don't need an airplane - neither Boeing nor Airbus will allow it. After a while you will be thrown. But you have nowhere to go, and play on this.
          3. regsSSSR
            regsSSSR 8 October 2013 15: 45
            0
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            During the polls, even at the show of political activist Savik Shuster, the majority were for an alliance with Russia and Belarus, but as soon as Yanukovych bandits shied away in the EU, realizing that Putin’s bandits would take away their business in the TS, then Putin began to pressure Ukraine hard. Panas fight, at lackeys forelocks crack. From your guarantor, imagining himself the emperor of all Russia, only threats and demands. What kind of partnerships can be discussed.


            natural reaction! maybe they will not take it away, but it’s completely undisguised that my friend’s capitalism will not be given to me and he has already throat across my throat and what to do then? and what else do you want the Russian government to do in this case? how else to attract the Ukrainian Alegorhat? beat only with the ruble and no longer well, not on your knees to stand in front of them and it won’t help! because the main thing in all this is the unification of the country and peoples and not the personal interests of some citizens! if Putin can do this, let him be! better to be together is the main goal and then solve common problems together! And what do you personally suggest that you do in this situation? maybe you have bright thoughts on this habits?
            1. Kars
              Kars 8 October 2013 15: 52
              +2
              Quote: regressSSSR
              ! because the main thing in all this is the unification of the country and peoples and not the personal interests of some citizens! if Putin can do this, let him be!

              What a naive person)))))
              1. regsSSSR
                regsSSSR 8 October 2013 19: 28
                +1
                Quote: Kars
                Quote: regressSSSR
                ! because the main thing in all this is the unification of the country and peoples and not the personal interests of some citizens! if Putin can do this, let him be!

                What a naive person)))))


                and these are all arguments)) funny Kars !!!
                I actually had in mind the people themselves (unification is important first of all for the people for common interests and general history) and if your allegarchic electorate suffers greatly from this, I personally do not care !!! therefore, Putin does everything right, he shows what will happen to you if ...
        2. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz 8 October 2013 12: 36
          +1
          Quote: My address
          Why do not many in Ukraine think two steps forward? Why do they believe that all Russians are like GDP?

          Where does this conclusion come from? It’s just that while Putin is driving you, there is no need to talk about UNION. Putin confuses him with enslavement or absorption.
          Our attitude towards the Russian people is always friendly. I'm resting in Bukovel now. Many Russians. All bastards, rest their souls. And this is Western Ukraine itself. Yesterday I climbed Hoverla with my sons, and on the other hand a group from Bryansk rises. Then from Ivano-Frankivsk. All are glad to each other, congratulate, hug. Feast of the soul !!!!!
          1. Realist58
            Realist58 8 October 2013 15: 18
            0
            What is this enslavement-absorption ??
            Shaw, Putin will forbid the sovereign mov to catch, or to bite a vodka with bacon?
            You will probably be surprised, but the Kremlin in the person of the Foreign Ministry supports exclusively anti-Russian forces in Ukraine.
            Therefore, talking about some sort of Putin’s desire to integrate with Ukraine is extremely naive.
            joining the CU is beneficial to you no less than us joining you, and all the cobbins of your oligarchy in the CU have a banal desire to sell more expensive.
          2. regsSSSR
            regsSSSR 8 October 2013 16: 08
            +2
            Quote: gladiatorakz
            Quote: My address
            Why do not many in Ukraine think two steps forward? Why do they believe that all Russians are like GDP?

            Where does this conclusion come from? It’s just that while Putin is driving you, there is no need to talk about UNION. Putin confuses him with enslavement or absorption.


            and that Belarus and Kazakhstan have already enslaved someone belay something I did not notice request how dad rules and rules! even esho manages to pressure Russia himself smile
            do not invent a poem! it’s just that they are now trying to expose you to Putin as an ogressor in order to get his ears stuck in the geyopa, and the problem is only that our people want to unite and you are reluctant to look for problems and motives!
            in general we are guilty as always, and all the rest are soft and fluffy))
      4. evil hamster
        evil hamster 8 October 2013 10: 08
        -2
        Apparently you are studying Russian reality in the Ukrainian press. Go on - it's pretty funny.
      5. v.lyamkin
        v.lyamkin 8 October 2013 10: 15
        +1
        Yes, we all see, but that does not excuse you. I wish you happiness and health.
      6. Alekseev
        Alekseev 8 October 2013 11: 54
        +4
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        And most importantly. Ukraine has found a partner. Well, Russia does not want Antonov cars, but the goods require marketing. We do not indicate Russia with whom to be friends, with whom to trade. Like it or not. Thank Putin. He did everything to push the people of Ukraine from the first day of his reign.

        Do not succumb to the provocations of your media.
        Ukraine has found a partner in aviation industry - Saudi Arabia! laughing
        They didn’t find a partner to borrow, they didn’t build a pipeline, but they produced Ana. And why do not they produce and sell? Got it, got it: Putin doesn’t. laughing They ruined everything, but Putin is to blame ... request
        What to laugh ... lol How old are you?
        Is it really not clear that this is a propaganda step, such as it hasn’t died yet, there’s nothing wrong with breaking off cooperation with Russia, we’ll get out.
        Yes, all sorts of Poroshenko and Firtashi get out, in contrast to many "broad" patriots.
        Yes, Putin is not ideal, something in his affairs causes outrage and, even, anger. But everything is known by comparison ...
        For something, you have to thank him. At least Russia has a 5-6 world economy and 520 billion dollars in reserve, and not in debt, like in silks, like many ... And they reckon with Putin in the world. Denying this is stupid.
        And it is not Putin who is fooling and "repelling" the Ukrainian people, and also robbing them.
        Its enough. But someone needs to blame.
      7. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 8 October 2013 12: 16
        0
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        You have to live. So you have to spin. Why are we moving away from Russia? Don't look for a speck of dust in someone else's eye. Yes, Ukraine is not permanent. And why? Citizen Putin, the loyal companion of the alcoholic and the thief of Yeltsin, has too much Jesuit and bile. This dwarf with imperial ambitions and a dead face after plastic surgery is slowly and surely surrendering Russia. It is a pity that you do not see this. You do not see a "humane" policy for the Chinese invasion in the east. You don't see an uncontrolled avalanche from the Central Asian republics. You do not see a disdainful attitude towards the Slavic neighbors. He rents you. Who is he? Patriot? No. He is a member of the St. Petersburg brigade.

        He also wrote about Putin for a long time. I agree. But it’s hard for many to break through propaganda and take a sober look at FACTS, not promises.
      8. Kars
        Kars 8 October 2013 14: 29
        +2
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        This dwarf with imperial ambitions and a dead face after plastic surgery

        Something I don’t recognize you. Is it really all the same?
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        2. Corsair
          Corsair 8 October 2013 16: 10
          0
          Quote: Kars
          Something I don’t recognize you. Is it really all the same?

          But after all Captain Vrungel Your compatriot, and just like you, he talks about modern Russia without knowing it by and large ...
      9. regsSSSR
        regsSSSR 8 October 2013 15: 04
        +1
        Captain Vrungel (1)
        It is necessary to live. So you have to spin. Why are we moving away from Russia? Do not look for a speck of dust in the eyes of others. Yes, Ukraine is not permanent. And why? Too much Jesuit and bile have citizen Putin, a faithful ally of an alcoholic and a plunder of Yeltsin.


        unstable Ukraine it still gently says shakes like a broken compass in all directions!
        I’m alone now and why, with all this, the problems have arisen exclusively with Ukraine for 20 years (MAYBE YOU JUST DO NOT SEARCH THEM FOR THEM?)? why there are no such problems with Belarus and Kazakhstan? (no, of course they are, but far from being as serious as the authorities of the independent), what is Russia to blame for this? It’s unlikely that Lukashenko can be accused that he, too, from the St. Petersburg clan is not netakli?
        yes, the power is far from ideal, but it is still trying to reunite the country and I would still believe your little river would have you the ideal power that stands for friendship and just wants benefits for at least Ukraine itself, since there is no twenty-year-old mess that has not shifted from the meta and it's to blame Russia again! one could still understand if Ukraine had stretched out Russia's hand and talked about reunification, while Russia would have kicked and scared everyone to leave for the West. SO ALL EXACTLY NAROBAROT well, don’t find that for all this, your accusations are strange towards Russia hi
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 8 October 2013 15: 58
          +2
          Quote: regressSSSR
          unstable Ukraine it still gently says shakes like a broken compass in all directions!

          If we talk about directions, then there are only 3 of them), moreover, "multi-vector", as practice shows, is too tough for Ukraine. And the second option (rapprochement with Europe) sinned all the presses, starting with Kravchuk. It's just that Kuchma and Yanyk tried to maintain more or less relations with Russia (as opposed to Yushch), i.e. the very same "multi-vector," but now Ukraine is not in the position that under Kuchma ... we have become weaker and more vulnerable, and Russia is stronger. Have to choose (
          Quote: regressSSSR
          I’m alone now and why, with all this, the problems have arisen exclusively with Ukraine for 20 years (MAYBE YOU JUST DO NOT SEARCH THEM FOR THEM?)? why there are no such problems with Belarus and Kazakhstan? (no, of course they are, but not as serious as the authorities of the independent)

          Excuse me, but you wrote nonsense ... YES, at the moment, the relationship is (and the fault of Russian politics is also not small), only this topic is popular, and therefore everyone knows about the problems. And so, it seems that Russia and the other 14 republics are all in "Shekolada"! The Balts, I think it's clear, Georgians (well, what problems), Azerbaijan is an unfriendly state, Turkmenistan is kind of neutral (but you can remember when they cut off for a year! Gas supplies to Gazprom in 2009 or the issue of deportation of "double" citizens), Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan - also conflicts of norms, ranging from bases to Gaster. We have in the bottom line Armenia, in fact, a protectorate of Russia (and then they periodically arrange vybryk), Moldavia-pro-Romanian, Belarus (well, just finally, there were never any conflicts with my father laughing , this is despite the fact that in the West he is a persona non-grata!) I can’t judge about Kazakhstan, there are forum users from there, they’ll want to say it themselves.
          So, Russia’s complicated relations not only with Ukraine, do not flatter yourself.
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev 8 October 2013 18: 13
            +1
            Quote: Corneli
            So Russia’s complicated relationship is not only with Ukraine,

            Russia's relations with post-Soviet countries are complex ...
            Well, there is no simple interstate relationship.
            And what are the relations of Ukraine with them?
            It is simpler, one drawback: they are not ...
            Neither joint real projects, nor worthy of the industrial and economic potential of trade inherited by Ukraine, nor political and military cooperation. Nothing dumb. request
            Just one thought: where to go, under the Turkish Saltan or under the Polish King?
          2. regsSSSR
            regsSSSR 8 October 2013 20: 24
            +1
            Corneli (1)
            Well, I'm sorry, but you wrote nonsense ... YES, at the moment, relations ug (and the guilt of Russian politics is also not small)
            So, Russia’s complicated relations not only with Ukraine, do not flatter yourself.


            hmm) for ya, I’m not deceived! and the guilt of Russian politicians is certainly enough, but there is no ideal
            work as they say with what is!
            here the other day Azarov came to placard in Belarus! I heard straight)) and we are fraternal peoples and throw us away like Russia, etc., etc., like that, well, I’ve got the whole straight)
            I want to say to the poet that yes relations with other post-Soviet republics are not well-worn with a carpet of roses yes you know me and don’t give a damn about them; they want to join in the TS; they don’t want to; they don’t matter; (at least I still hope so))
            But Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan are a completely different matter!
            many still do not consider Ukraine as a foreign state, and here such a setup with the EU is just a historic blow to Russia — a great setup and a bunch of new problems that could easily be avoided (as the hit below the belt says), the poem and the reaction are awful!
            about Belarus, in vain did Lukashenko once even in the most difficult times in the relations of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus not name Russia a hostile State and once didn’t tune the peoples against each other and once didn’t cover general history NEVER !! and what was happening with Ukraine was not even close to this !! if he fought with Russia, then only in order to benefit from a better deal for the Republic of Belarus in which there aren’t any resources at all (and he didn’t do anything with Russia and the brotherly nations should help him even the people of Russia supported it) which I can’t say about your clowns ( top glad)! (I carefully followed the press of the Republic of Belarus during the gas wars, and if there were provocations, then there are not so many local Natsiks here !!)

            by the way I wanted to ask you on the thirtieth on Sunday a rally in support of the vehicle or didn’t receive hi ??
  3. v.lyamkin
    v.lyamkin 8 October 2013 07: 27
    +6
    Well, what can I say: tailwind.
  4. Volkhov
    Volkhov 8 October 2013 07: 32
    0
    The Saudis are waging a war in Syria, they have money, but few weapons and military personnel, so they went to Russia and the rebels are inundated with Russian weapons, came to Ukraine and promised money for "strategic cooperation" and not for the plane, which will be collected in 5 years. The Russian Federation is at war in Syria because of politics and the homeland of the leadership, and the pro-Saudi Islamic State of Iraq and Syria hopes to border on Saudi Arabia and thus expand it. The purpose of the trip is Ukrainian military supplies, mercenaries, and they will buy an airplane any and all.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 October 2013 07: 41
      +9
      Quote: Volkhov
      The Saudis are waging war in Syria, they have money, but few weapons and military,

      The Saudis have few weapons, don’t tell. The USA cares to ensure that the Saudis do not have a shortage of weapons. The region is stuffed with weapons, look at how much the United States has set and are planning to supply. The Saudi Arabians are six Amerov’s and are now using them to take Ukraine away from Russia.
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 8 October 2013 07: 52
        0
        Have you seen at least 1 Saudi tank (abrams) from Syrian fighters - only Soviet ones. The point is not what the Saudis themselves have, but what can be given to the Islamists. Ukraine was withdrawn from Russia by Lenin, Khrushchev, Kravchuk without any Saudis.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 8 October 2013 08: 03
          +4
          Quote: Volkhov
          Have you seen at least 1 Saudi tank (abrams) from Syrian fighters - only Soviet

          Listen do not write nonsense, chesslovo, read this .....
          Quote: Volkhov
          . The point is not what the Saudis themselves have, but what can be given to the Islamists

          And what, AN 70 to the Islamists wassat
          Quote: Volkhov
          Ukraine was withdrawn from Russia by Lenin, Khrushchev, Kravchuk without any Saudis.

          But Yeltsin did not participate?
      2. Sergh
        Sergh 8 October 2013 07: 55
        +3
        Quote: Volkhov
        The Russian Federation is at war in Syria because of the politics and homeland of the leadership, and about the Saudi Islamic State of Iraq and Syria hopes to border on Saudi Arabia and thus expand it

        Volkhov, well, you wrapped ??? Well, I did not drive. Sorry, but maybe in the morning it’s already quite old.
        And actually, Alexander is right, the Americans will not allow the Saudis to create aircraft production, especially with Ukraine. Most likely they cram their own.
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 8 October 2013 08: 20
          +2
          It’s generally pointless to talk about airplanes in the SA - the AN 70 is large, you must first put up a plant with a city and introduce state standards, this is just a pleasant entry for Ukraine.
          Here is the repair of wrecked tanks and infantry fighting vehicles is relevant, as are weapons, ammunition for Soviet technology.
      3. svp67
        svp67 8 October 2013 08: 41
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        .The Saudi Arabians are six Amerov’s and now they have been used to move Ukraine away from Russia.
        Fact ... But in this world, you ask a question: will An70 be released? Most likely they will build a plant that will produce small series ... but no more. US competitors are not needed either ...
      4. AVV
        AVV 8 October 2013 09: 31
        +2
        All the troubles of Ukraine due to the short-sighted policy of its leadership! Let them shy away from side to side until the people understand that Yanukovych and his team are fooling them, and advance their selfish interests !!!
      5. Corsair
        Corsair 8 October 2013 16: 12
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The Saudis have few weapons, do not tell.

        Yes, comments Volkhov very peculiar laughing
  5. pva1964
    pva1964 8 October 2013 07: 37
    0
    CLOTHING GIFT wassat
  6. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 8 October 2013 07: 39
    -1
    Interestingly, when the Saudis discussed something with the Ukrainians, what is the main lobbyist of the Boeing for BV, who thumped somewhere? Right now he comes to his senses, and all interested persons will give a back.
  7. Revolver
    Revolver 8 October 2013 07: 40
    +8
    The Saudis never produced anything other than oil, and even then the expats pumped the oil for them. But the Arabs themselves, except for the camels to breed, never knew how.
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 8 October 2013 08: 29
      +2
      I have no doubt that the Saudis will throw Ukraine. Found someone to trust. Ours already agreed on arms supplies with them. The result is zero. Why do they need their own aircraft manufacturing? Money like a fool shag, no specialists. Let it be better for all of their camels to put in gold teeth.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 8 October 2013 16: 28
        +2
        Quote: sergey32
        Money like a fool shag, no specialists. Let it be better for all of their camels to put in gold teeth.

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  8. artemiy
    artemiy 8 October 2013 07: 54
    +3
    It is a pity that the Ukrainian government is negotiating with a country that supports terror in Syria.
    1. shark
      shark 8 October 2013 08: 53
      +1
      To the government of Ukraine to Syria from a high bell tower. It has chosen the western vector of further development of the country. So the agreements with the Saudis are precisely in line with the latest political decisions.
  9. lotar
    lotar 8 October 2013 07: 57
    +1
    The Saudis may have promised financial assistance (I doubt very much about technical), but whether they will provide it. Most likely this partnership will remain in words. The Saudis are not fools to throw money on the right and on the left.
  10. major071
    major071 8 October 2013 08: 06
    +6
    With a lot of money, the Saudis can afford to build a plant from scratch and, with the help of Ukraine, deploy aircraft production. Of course, if Ukraine transfers production there, Russian enterprises may suffer. But it seems to me that all these statements are likely to be politically motivated to intimidate Russia.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 8 October 2013 09: 00
      +1
      But who will let them organize their own production, especially after association with the European Union. Boeing and Airbus will not allow this. They will only contribute to a break with Russia, and then things will not go further.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 8 October 2013 10: 35
        +2
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        But who will let them organize their own production, especially after association with the European Union. Boeing and Airbus will not allow this.

        And why won't it be allowed? Neither have any plans to sell the C-17 and A-400 to Saudi Arabia, moreover, production of the C-17 has been discontinued this year. As far as I understand, Saudi Arabia does not have its own "brains", but having a lot of money decided to use "other people's brains", it is not known how successfully it will turn out.
  11. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 8 October 2013 08: 44
    0
    Good Enough of the fraternal peoples! Yes, a rich common history, yes, family ties and confusion, people on both sides both lived and will live, but those who are looking for partners should show real market relations, otherwise it doesn’t work out somehow! In general, guys from our side, there is a need to make their own analogues from 100% of their components!
  12. shark
    shark 8 October 2013 08: 51
    +3
    Arab money, Ukrainian brains - cooperation is not bad. I fully recognize the right of Ukraine to look for new partners to our taste. Sovereign state. We will see how it all ends
  13. aud13
    aud13 8 October 2013 09: 20
    +1
    Judging by what types of equipment in Ukraine have been developed recently - Antonov’s designers are one of the few who really represent real potential. Therefore, it is a pity to leave. On the other hand, there seems to be no alternative. Ukraine after the collapse of the union all the time tried to play some kind of its exclusive role. Since Russia was tired of it and she said that there wouldn’t be any kind of preferences for Ukraine, the Ukrainian leadership was offended and decided to turn its back on Russia (well, you can say differently).
    It is a pity that the design of the AN-70 was largely funded from our budget. If you set such a task for our designers, you would see if the plane was there and the designers would receive additional experience, work, salary. And the state would receive additional taxes and there would be no loss in time. And now you have to start from a low start.
  14. evil hamster
    evil hamster 8 October 2013 10: 15
    0
    The circus with horses continues, now as cash cow partner act SAUdity. We buy seeds in bulk and watch the performance.
  15. gych
    gych 8 October 2013 12: 35
    -1
    in these comments, the role of Russia in the production of Anov is strongly overestimated! Russia resigned Ukraine clicked! As a speaker, it's too late to drink "Borjomi" when the kidneys have failed!
  16. wlad59
    wlad59 8 October 2013 13: 09
    +2
    From the DESIRE to cooperate, to the organization of a joint production or cooperation, the way, let’s say .... is very short! It is a pity that none of the leadership of the country will not indicate to Kiva that he should not deal with projects, but bring to mind what is already there. There work ... the horse did not roll.
  17. Altona
    Altona 8 October 2013 18: 38
    +1
    Something I do not observe the Saudis in the cage of aircraft manufacturers and in general in any industrial cage ... Most likely, everything will come down to Saudi financing, the plants will remain in Ukraine, the workers will be Ukrainian, and moreover, the finished planes will go on line with Ukrainian flight attendants ... I believe in that ...
  18. Nike
    Nike 8 October 2013 19: 31
    +1
    How much does this Rogozin need to be a ram in order to compare the heavy IL-476 transporter with a long take-off of 1800-2000 meters, with the An-40 an average short-take transporter with a long take-off run of 400-500 meters, with the possibility of take-off and landing on the ground (and any collective farm airport) Is it possible to compare this !? Tell Shamanov that the AN-40 is not needed for the Airborne Forces, I think after what happens you will no longer have the desire to say such a thing. I respected Rogozin, and now in my eyes he has become one step ahead of Onishchenko, that they will order something will say.
  19. Semurg
    Semurg 8 October 2013 20: 20
    0
    If the AN-70 can be put into series it’s not a bad plane to turn out, Kazakhstan can also take a closer look at this aircraft if price-quality is acceptable. At the expense of bad-good if Ukraine and the SA can do well (Ukrainian brains, Saudi money). If you can’t, well, one more failed joint venture.