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Father Sergiy: Only those missiles that we did not bless fell

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Father Sergiy: Only those missiles that we did not bless fell



According to the abbot of the temple at Baikonur, the recently fallen "Proton" was also not consecrated

The rector of the Church of the Holy Martyr George the Victorious, Father Sergiy Bychkov, dedicated to the consecration of the missiles that are launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome, told Metro that the success of the launch will often depend on the rite of consecration.

"The consecration of rockets began in the 1998 year. Since we sanctify almost all of the rockets. At the same time, with those rockets that we consecrated, everything was fine, but those that were not consecrated fell. For example, the recently fallen Proton was not consecrated, "- said Father Sergius.

The abbot of the temple at Baikonur said that four rockets had not been sanctified in his memory: the first two were still in 90, when the procedure had not yet become traditional, the Belarusian rocket, which was launched about four years ago, and Proton launched in the summer this year. To consecrate a rocket or not, decides the design office.

"This seems to be a special providence of God. There are people who want to sanctify rockets, but there are those who do not want it. Apparently, the Lord shows to such people that we are doing a good and necessary thing," added the priest.

According to Father Sergius, the Proton rocket was going to be sanctified, but, by coincidence, it was not possible to do so.

“With the Proton, it turned out inexplicably - I didn’t happen to be in the city and the rocket was launched without my blessing - here again the Providence of God,” said Father Sergius.

The priest says that the leadership of Roskosmos and the crew members themselves have great respect for the procedure of consecration and are taking part in the rite.

“It often happens that we send not only Orthodox cosmonauts into space, but also people with a different faith. They all kiss the cross and we sprinkle them with holy water,” Father Sergiy added.

Ранее head of Roscosmos Vladimir Popovkin said that the ministry will continue to consecrate missilesHowever, he noted that the reliability of the rocket is not in whether it was consecrated or not, but in how it was prepared for launch at the plant and how it was tested at the cosmodrome.
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  1. queen
    queen 7 October 2013 07: 48 New
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    they climbed there .... soon they will jump around with a tambourine around the rocket))) it comes to a ridiculous one.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 7 October 2013 07: 54 New
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      Religion and technology ... Wouldn’t it be better if the clergy would take up their direct duties, such as saving human souls? It smacks of shamanism.
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 7 October 2013 10: 48 New
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        Yes, no ... Something I don’t really believe in it ...
        Sanctification has nothing to do with it. It is unlikely that previously consecrated rockets launched. And the number of failures does not differ ...
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 11: 57 New
          +8
          “With the Proton, it turned out inexplicably - I didn’t happen to be in the city and the rocket was launched without my blessing - here again the Providence of God,” said Father Sergius.
          Here he is, the main saboteur. am And where were you, svol.och? Under Stalin, these accidents were called differently. wassat
          1. alone
            alone 7 October 2013 21: 32 New
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            wassat there he is! found the switchman! to arrest and confiscate property for the ditched proton and for three satellites.

            P.S. and if it’s serious, is there really no man who will openly tell this priest

            My friend, you would be better off doing your job, huh!
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 7 October 2013 11: 19 New
        0
        Religion and technology ... Wouldn’t it be better if the clergy would take up their direct duties, such as saving human souls? It smacks of shamanism.


        What shamanism, just grandmas. I wonder how they choose a consecration contractor. Probably, the competition is held or an auction as in public procurement. Say, between the Russian Orthodox Church, Catholics, Muslims, Jews and Buddhists. Although, IMHO, nothing even shines for the Jews here, so if there is a competition, then between the dioceses of the Russian Orthodox Church, probably ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 07: 56 New
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      Quote: regin
      they climbed there .... soon they will jump around with a tambourine around the rocket))) it comes to a ridiculous one.

      On TV, the program was on this topic, the specialists themselves confirmed this. Regarding sanctification, this has happened for a long time, if you are not in the know. There is nothing wrong with that.
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 7 October 2013 08: 06 New
        +6
        What's so good about that?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 08: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Basileus
          What's so good about that?

          If a person does not see anything good, then he sees bad.
          The fact is that rockets are falling, come from this.
          1. avt
            avt 7 October 2013 08: 59 New
            +8
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            If a person does not see anything good, then he sees bad.

            Slepakov wrote a good song about Father Onuphrius and the consecration of Bugatti Veeron, there really scoffed at Okhlobystin, but on the whole it is correct - “prayer doesn’t help when the driver is in the city. But.” was already, well, there was not just a person who had already solved this problem-he said that they should give God what is God, and Caesar's Caesar's.
          2. Armata
            Armata 7 October 2013 10: 17 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            If a person does not see anything good, then he sees bad.
            The fact is that rockets are falling, come from this.
            Sasha can see objective reasons, not bad and good. And rockets fall due to the fact that (will go their own way). Objectively, if you pay with eurofantics, the rocket will fly, if it goes down in rubles. And do not drag the priests into the industry. The engineer has several gods. This is truth, knowledge and conscience. The rest is secondary. And rightly said xetai9977. It would be better to do human souls than to spray water on mechanisms and electronics.
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 7 October 2013 11: 21 New
              +2
              Quote: Mechanic
              The engineer has several gods. This is truth, knowledge and conscience. The rest is secondary.
              hi hi hi
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 7 October 2013 11: 26 New
                +2
                Quote: retired
                Quote: Mechanic
                The engineer has several gods. This is truth, knowledge and conscience. The rest is secondary.
                hi hi hi

                This is for TECHNICAL THOUGHT, and for SOUL let it be ONE GOD ...
                1. pensioner
                  pensioner 8 October 2013 00: 26 New
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                  Quote: Corsair
                  but for the SOUL let it be ONE GOD ...

                  Let it be. But Kamburova with Okudzhava, Vysotsky, N. Gumelev, Isachev, Bashlachev, and many more, let there be!
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 8 October 2013 00: 37 New
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                    Quote: retired
                    But Kamburov with Okudzhava, Vysotsky, N. Gumelev, Isachev, Bashlachev, and many more, let it be!

                    If for the soul and feeling - let them be drinks
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            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 11: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: Mechanic
              . The engineer has several gods. It is truth, knowledge and conscience

              Eugene, in fact, the rocket was consecrated and the launch was successful, no, and she collapsed. This is so in fact! And it’s up to you to decide what kind of engineer you should pray to. And by the way, it was the engineers, after the unsuccessful launches, that they lit the rockets and they were originally opposed. They spoke about the same thing as you do now. There was a TV program about it, there many engineers threw up their hands and told what and how hi
              1. Armata
                Armata 7 October 2013 12: 28 New
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                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                in fact, the rocket was consecrated and the launch was successful, no, and it collapsed. This is so in fact!
                In fact. Who covered the first Chinese missile? And who lit the Americans? And before the time of EBN, what did we cover? So these are not facts, but speculation for those who benefit from it.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 16: 41 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  So these are not facts, but speculation for those who benefit from it.

                  Zhenya, pokapaysya and watch the program, you’ll see. I’m not talking about China and America, but you give them an example, because you can’t find any explanations. The consecrated and good rockets don’t fall. . What you do not like, you can intelligently answer?
                  1. Armata
                    Armata 7 October 2013 17: 11 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Zhenya, pokapaysya and watch the program, you’ll see. I’m not talking about China and America, but you give them an example, because you can’t find any explanations. The consecrated and good rockets don’t fall. . What you do not like, you can intelligently answer?
                    Sasha is demagoguery. When you do not see problems, cover yourself with the motto "God us us" And you should not look. In 61, that Gagarin also flew after the water of the priest?
                  2. Geisenberg
                    Geisenberg 8 October 2013 00: 16 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    What you don’t like is that you can intelligently answer?


                    I do not like what religion makes a booth.
            3. FRIGATE2
              FRIGATE2 8 October 2013 08: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Mechanic
              It would be better to do human souls than to spray water on mechanisms and electronics.

              So they spoil human souls
              Encouraging Cotty Boys
              The system of atonement from sins, operating in the unwashed medieval Europe, is now actively used in the Russian Orthodox Church. Here we can attribute explicit antimoral activity, when with certain donations and repentance one can deduct all moral responsibility for crimes.
              For the help of the mafia in the spiritual and moral development of the population, the Russian Orthodox Church gives awards to the most distinguished bandits; for example, the well-known authority Mikhas received several church orders.
              Anatoly Bannykh, a former vice-premier of the Altai Republic, a red-argali sawyer was awarded the silver cross of St. Andrew the First-Called, the Order of the Russian Orthodox Church of St. Sergius of Radonezh, and the medal of the Holy Prince Daniel of Moscow. For success in shooting.

              Actually, the situation when the next branch of the organization of the church is built on the money of some thieves is very common, we can say - a classic of the genre.
          3. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 12: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The fact is that rockets are falling, come from this.

            It’s not about the bobbin, just split it up ... I sat in the cockpit ... laughing
          4. Uncle
            Uncle 7 October 2013 17: 50 New
            -5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            If a person does not see anything good, then he sees bad.

            Sasha, well done. Think correctly. Paisiy Svyatorets gave such an example on the theme that each person finds what he is looking for. Imagine, he said, a clearing covered with flowers. And in the corner lies a piece of shit. And then the bee and the fly fly, the bee finds flowers, but the fly, despite the small size of the shit, will find it very soon. So are some of our fellow citizens ...
            1. Armata
              Armata 7 October 2013 18: 00 New
              +2
              Quote: Uncle
              Sasha, well done. Think correctly. Paisiy Svyatorets gave such an example on the theme that each person finds what he is looking for. Imagine, he said, a clearing covered with flowers. And in the corner lies a piece of shit. And then the bee and the fly fly, the bee finds flowers, but the fly, despite the small size of the shit, will find it very soon. So are some of our fellow citizens ..

              No need for scripture. Answer a simple question. Was the believer inventing the tank? And when did they appear, what does the scripture say about the murder? And if this is sinful, why then in the years of the Second World War they were released by thousands? Or a Mosin rifle. From this rifle, people were killed on both sides. What is Mosin the sinner? And what would happen if he did not invent this rifle? By your logic, does Kalashnikov burn in hell? It was his machine gun that put more 200000 people and continues to serve. Well, the mercantile question. I did a lot for the new weapons. What am I going to HELL too? I'd rather go to your hell, but for the life of my children, than I will humbly turn the other cheek. Once again I say CHURCH HIMSELF BEING DISAPPOINTED,
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 19: 15 New
                +1
                Quote: Mechanic
                Once again I say CHURCH HIMSELF BEING DISAPPOINTED,

                It is the church that discredits Faith most of all. And it should be the other way round, by its example it should inspire the People, lead. Bishop of Anadyr and Chukchi Diomede an example
          5. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 8 October 2013 00: 14 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Basileus
            What's so good about that?

            If a person does not see anything good, then he sees bad.


            "And whoever is not in dreams is against us, we will pull our eyes over his head." For example, I do not see anything good or bad either. There is nothing magical about launching a rocket, as well as sacred, if you drop the scale, it’s like a stake. What does each stake now illuminate?

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The fact is that rockets are falling, come from this.


            Of what ? Missiles have fallen and will fall, and religion has nothing to do with it. In the place of the shepherd, demons must be driven out of the Roskosmos leadership, there he has no open land.
          6. FRIGATE2
            FRIGATE2 8 October 2013 08: 34 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The fact is that rockets are falling, come from this


            And Abbot Timothy, too, was not consecrated, huh?
            On July 31, 2012, at about 23:30 p.m., an employee of the Russian Orthodox Church was caught red-handed on committing a sin on Zatsepsky Val in Moscow. Reality surpassed the wildest jokes about priests on Mercedes. This time the father was driving a car without a roof in both senses of the word.

            Rector of the Church of Elijah the Prophet, Father Superior Timothy (in the world, Alexei Podobedov) on a BMW Z4 roadster with diplomatic numbers of Malta, drove into the oncoming lane and rammed two cars. At first, the traffic police decided that the abbot had stolen a car, and for some time they even “twisted” it, but then the owner drove up. According to eyewitnesses, the abbot barely stood on his feet, he was so drunk that he could not consider what was written in the protocol, so he refused to sign it.
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        1. Tersky
          Tersky 7 October 2013 08: 37 New
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          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          We began to confuse true clergy with the priestly kodl who turned the holy faith into church business.

          We are not confusing this, but other clergymen their true purpose with business. Faith has nothing to do with it, it is in everyone's heart and soul.
          1. Icestar777
            Icestar777 7 October 2013 11: 27 New
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            How much light rockets?
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            2. Dober
              Dober 7 October 2013 13: 28 New
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              Quote: Icestar777
              How much light rockets?

              The ROCKETS themselves do not consecrate. It's brought in. And absolutely in this case, it is not linked to "earning".
              Always forbidden to sanctify WEAPONSserving for protection. Previously, swords and chain mail are now cruisers and missiles. What is the problem?

              I read somewhere that one mullah "showed envy", saying something like the following "why Christian clergy, and rarely Muslim ones, take part in such rituals." But "his superiors" kindly poked at him and the topic was removed automatically.

              Under your link to the picture, I have a few questions for you:
              1. Are you sure that this is a priest, and not a disgruntled clown, who set himself alone (maybe not only), certain goals?
              2. Are you sure that this is not another attempt to discredit?
              3. And how do you differ from pusek and feminines, dragging "these pissy rags" with you?
              4. Would you like a similar tipok to come to your funeral service (death is inevitable), or would you agree to be buried under the Marxist cries "under the international"?

              Enough questions for now ...
              1. kris
                kris 7 October 2013 13: 42 New
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                Quote: Dober
                The ROCKETS themselves do not consecrate. It's brought in. And absolutely in this case, it is not linked to "earning".

                [media=http://tvroscosmos.ru/frm/vestidata/2008/vesti13_12_8_1.php]
                But what does pop do in this video?
                1. Dober
                  Dober 7 October 2013 14: 00 New
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                  Quote: kris
                  But what does pop do in this video?

                  I do not know. I will assume that "sanctifies the WEAPON".
                  First, by reference, I did not find any video, and did not want to search - it is a pity to spend paid traffic and the network is clogged.
                  Secondly ... Google dumped this content with a self-explanatory name - "Uran-Bator. Edward's website Bezobrazova(!?) ".
                  And there is nothing new. And what does "pop" have to do with it? You to Lenin and Marx ... hi
                  1. kris
                    kris 7 October 2013 14: 09 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Dober
                    I do not know. I will assume that "sanctifies the WEAPON".
                    First, by reference, I did not find any video, and did not want to search - it is a pity to spend paid traffic and the network is clogged.
                    Secondly ... Google dumped this content with a self-explanatory title - "Uran-Bator. The site of Eduard Bezobrazov (!?)".
                    And there is nothing new. And what does "pop" have to do with it? You to Lenin and Marx ...

                    Respected! You got something wrong.
                    This is the official website of Roscosmos. hi
                    1. Dober
                      Dober 7 October 2013 14: 22 New
                      +1
                      Quote: kris
                      This is the official website of Roscosmos.

                      Exclusively out of respect ... hi
                      Although at the moment this topic (Roskosmos) "does not stick" to me.
                      Here is a quote from there -

                      “But all these 50 years, despite the prohibitions and persecutions, they were inseparable: the church and the cosmos.
                      "Here it is, the peace of God. Yes. Well, well, there is something to be proud of," says Father Sergius. "


                      Well? And what is the question? I spoke initially about "earning". By the way, not for you. The priest is not a member of the cosmodrome staff. Or is it? Then he received payment under the "contract".
                      Maybe some parish will receive a "donation" from Roscosmos. This is from such and such generosity from the state. budget. They will steal more ...
                      What is the problem, and to whom does it bother?
                      1. kris
                        kris 7 October 2013 14: 34 New
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                        Quote: Dober
                        What is the problem, and to whom does it bother?

                        we do not understand each other. let's turn off the discussion.
                        Respect to you for doing without rudeness, unlike some on this site. hi
                      2. Dober
                        Dober 7 October 2013 15: 05 New
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                        Quote: kris
                        we do not understand each other. let's turn off the discussion.

                        This is not so scary, but in principle I agree.
                        Just note, Misha, that just those who consider themselves Orthodox do not stoop to a banal srach, and do not get carried away with long boring "explanations", it is the "old Leninists" who are often malignant. But even this fits into the norms (from their point of view) ...
                        So all the best to you !!! I hope we cross with some more good news! yes
                      3. kris
                        kris 7 October 2013 15: 37 New
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                        Quote: Dober
                        So all the best to you !!! I hope we cross with some more good news!

                        And YOU all the best! good
          2. Icestar777
            Icestar777 7 October 2013 14: 23 New
            +2
            The picture reflects, to my great regret, the existing reality of the church’s transition from spiritual to commercial, go to any church and ask how much, or even read the price list. The clownfish in the picture or not is not the point. Discredit? Maybe. The question is what or whom. I do not set myself the goal of discrediting Orthodoxy and faith in God. I am Orthodox, baptized, married and not according to the fashion, but at the behest of my soul and absolutely consciously. But I am outraged by the appearance itself TAXES prayers, funeral services, baptism, weddings, etc. This is not right! What is different from snacks? I do not have a penchant for such behavior, this is at least. Although I am for gender equality, I do not consider myself a feminist, as a manifestation of the next extreme. As for my funeral service .... do not wait!
            1. Dober
              Dober 7 October 2013 14: 56 New
              +1
              Quote: Icestar777
              to my great regret, the existing reality of the church’s transition from spiritual to commercial,

              To mine, by the way, too. But these are the modern realities of wild capitalism. You do not have to pay "according to the price list", it is enough to ask any rector for an invoice to pay for "communal" and pay personally, for example, electricity or "land tax" for a month. I am sure you will be surprised at the figures no less than your payments for the apartment.
              We have a huge difference in that you can go in any direction in Russia, and go somewhere in a seedy village, albeit in a dilapidated, but church.
              My family has to drive 40 minutes along the ideal road to the Orthodox parish, and it's hard to call it a church - a two-story building with good repair and a parking lot nearby. st.Thünenstraß 9, Rostock. Church of St. Blessed Xenia of Petersburg (one "famous feminine" may think that in honor of her, but we understand that ...)
              1

              That’s where the comers don’t even think about paying. Everyone understands everything without explanation. That's why friendly.
              Quote: Icestar777
              Discredit? Maybe. The question is what or whom.

              Of course the church, as an "organization" uniting millions of people. The examples of Catholic parishes in Europe do not say anything ... / rhetorical question /. And it began with this. Or something like that.

              Quote: Icestar777
              As for my funeral service .... do not wait!

              Well, not me, so who else. Agree, this is inevitable. With me too, but I think that I am still far away, although God's will is in everything. Normal fatalism.
              How Orthodox should understand each other.repeat love
              1. Icestar777
                Icestar777 7 October 2013 15: 14 New
                +1

                Unifying or controlling? I would like that the first option, but alas, my views do not give hope. As an Orthodox, I am very glad that you understood me repeat . True, I am absolutely sure that if I voiced my vision of faith and religions, a serious theological debate would ensue.))) Regards hi
      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 12: 04 New
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        Quote: Tersky
        and other clergymen their true appointment with business

        I agree with my heart and soul, but something a lot of them divorced, beguiled. A little more, and like the Catholics, something else they’ll mix up. wassat
  2. v.lyamkin
    v.lyamkin 7 October 2013 09: 01 New
    +2
    Yes, there really is nothing bad, but giving out coverage as a key indicator of launch success is at least ridiculous. In development of the thoughts of the clergyman, I would suggest scoring on the technical components, and make the lighting a mandatory ritual and, possibly, repeated. Should help.
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  • SHILO
    SHILO 7 October 2013 08: 07 New
    +5
    Exaggerated. But they illuminate!
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 7 October 2013 08: 19 New
      +6
      no, not right ... taking an icon with you is a personal matter and there is nothing wrong with that. And you can bet who did more and what for space, in space and for people. What did American space travelers deign on our rockets fly, and not on their own? in short, the enemy made a demo
      1. SHILO
        SHILO 7 October 2013 08: 55 New
        +6
        Nuuu vrazhin so vrazhin. what Only from this, the angular velocity sensors will not be set correctly. request

        The film is "To Kill the Minotaur" - there Stradivari argues with the priest (who wanted to wash his violin with holy water) with the words: "She is holy, but water!"
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 7 October 2013 09: 10 New
          +4
          lol and the demo is personal? and I thought who’s it. well, it’s not important. all one)) and what does the sensor have to do with it? well, people take icons for themselves, hang them at home in corners, in cars, etc ... this is personal. is there, in this case, controversial data on the level of development of the rocket and space industry? Or do you really think the American is an atheist and did not say "God is with us" before the start, or there is no inscription In God We Trust on board?
          you still bring the flag on the sleeve of the American in the subject wink
          1. SHILO
            SHILO 7 October 2013 09: 48 New
            +4
            Gleb - personal hanging in a locker, and filming for the whole planet - this is propaganda.
            With all due respect to Orthodoxy, access to space is not thanks to faith, but contrary to it!
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 7 October 2013 09: 57 New
              +1
              going out into space not because of faith, but contrary to it!
              Well, by the way, I do not argue in this direction.
              but still I don’t agree about the icons. so you can put any item in the locker, defining propaganda. you want to say that if a public person wears a cross on his neck and people see it, and shoots the TV if he is baptized in front of the camera, if he is in church for Easter, for example (let's take the most famous ones)) and the whole country sees it — it’s propaganda? so be it, but what do you think should be banned? then it’s persecution! and not just the church but the sent ones! came Konstantin! it was awl
              1. SHILO
                SHILO 7 October 2013 10: 26 New
                +5
                Gleb, I am an atheist with experience and a cynic. But! Forbid? What for? To the feelings of believers, I am respectful. Just everything has its place and time. Sprinkling rockets and putting icons into orbit is a joke. Neither everything that is appropriate in the Temple is appropriate in space. Neither the church, nor the faithful, nor the cosmonautics, running around with crosses in orbit does not paint.
                1. Hleb
                  Hleb 7 October 2013 12: 11 New
                  +1
                  respectful? of course they are probably grateful to you for these words
                  Neither everything that is appropriate in the Temple is appropriate in space.
                  Is this the conclusion? Someone from the astronauts said that the icon was inappropriate on board? Who? This is really your PERSONAL opinion and most likely it is inappropriate in the circles of astronauts.
                  and about running around is also a respectful attitude? who runs with crosses in orbit? do you think this astronaut will understand you?
                  if believing Christians sometimes in some topics just get their obsession, then here you do the same in relation to them
                  1. DEMENTIY
                    DEMENTIY 7 October 2013 12: 50 New
                    +2
                    "The one praying in the square will not receive my blessing, for he is already receiving a reward."
                    Jesus Christ.

                    Think Gleb what is it?
                    1. Hleb
                      Hleb 7 October 2013 13: 07 New
                      0
                      no, I have not read such books and will not dare to interpret. so what is it about?
                    2. DEMENTIY
                      DEMENTIY 7 October 2013 13: 47 New
                      +4
                      Gleb is the bible. So to say the original source from God.
                      What is said about? That Christ does not welcome publicity in matters of faith.
            2. Cat
              Cat 7 October 2013 11: 16 New
              +4
              Quote: Gleb
              Well, by the way, I do not argue in this direction.
              but still I don’t agree about the icons. so you can put any item in the locker, defining propaganda. you want to say that if a public person wears a cross on his neck and people see it, and shoots the TV if he is baptized in front of the camera, if he is in church for Easter, for example (let's take the most famous ones)) and the whole country sees it — it’s propaganda? so be it, but what do you think should be banned? then it’s persecution! and not just the church but the sent ones! came Konstantin! it was awl

              On the one hand, it is of course. But on the other - a cross, a man wears on his own body, which moves on his own legs. But the icon in space - not on its own, but on a government rocket is being driven. Remind me how much it costs the budget to put 1 kg of cargo into low Earth orbit? And how much does the icon weigh? Minute of video communication with MCC - what is the cost? Multiply, plus, look, what happened? And it turned out a digital figure, at the sight of which any manager for the sale of advertising space - will choke on the spot, from the realization of his own worthlessness and inferiority.
              1. Dober
                Dober 7 October 2013 13: 43 New
                +1
                Quote: Cat
                And it turned out a digital figure, at the sight of which any manager for the sale of advertising space - will choke on the spot, from the realization of his own worthlessness and inferiority.

                The "effective manager" point of view. Doesn't it seem like another attempt to "try on" everything with dough?
                1. Cat
                  Cat 7 October 2013 14: 30 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Dober
                  The "effective manager" point of view. Doesn't it seem like another attempt to "try on" everything with dough?

                  so this is not me measuring - this is Sergiy’s comrades. If the popularization of Orthodoxy is so important for the people of Russia that it was necessary to drag the icon into space for state money, then any bishop, or even personally, the Patriarch should at his own expense, in his own 600th Mercedes, rush to the launch site and conduct prelaunch consecration of the rocket. At least out of a sense of gratitude. But no, disdain, sir. But for the corresponding amount (here the price tag was laid out in the subject) - they will come and consecrate. Agree, the original such piety is obtained.

                  By and large, personally to me - and generally sideways, my home budget does not suffer from all of these space wars. Because, being a resident of a neighboring state, I can be 100% sure: my taxes go anywhere, but not to finance Roscosmos =))) But it would be nice to think about whether you agree to sponsor an advertising campaign of a commercial structure from your own pocket , widely known under the guise of the Russian Orthodox Church? Or do you Serdyukov and other Chubais with Abramovich little?
                  1. Dober
                    Dober 7 October 2013 15: 55 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Cat
                    If the popularization of Orthodoxy is so important to the people of Russia,

                    What do you expect from me? What would I say "no, it is not needed! Is it preferable to popularize Hasidism, Islam, sodomy?"
                    I traveled europium along and across. Looked at such that you are only still shown in Tsilya-visors. Do you want this? With such an attitude, sooner or later you will definitely receive. Then the Patriarch will come, and the colors of the clear sky of Aleksey (with a small letter), comrades.
                    One example about dengi and about DV. Channel 1 with fanfare was begging for the whole day, having poured a lot of money into fees for the "artists" of technical services and so on. At the same time, the ROC has quietly collected more than 25 (?) Lyams since August 12. Not for styrofoam houses, but for basic needs. And who will steal more. My family and I sent, purely nominally, one SMS to the phone and much more via Yandex to the account of the Russian Orthodox Church.
                    Yet. Did you feel sorry for the "ruble for transporting the icon"? Think how much you have already paid for any honey. help "come in large numbers" in RussiaYu, how many "helped financially in obstetrics" ten apricots. Or are they not in Kiev? And in Germany there is. So you didn't pay, neither did I. Why look into someone else's pocket?
                    Quote: Cat
                    Because, being a resident of a neighboring state,
                    Do you agree to sponsor, from your own pocket, an advertising campaign of a commercial structure widely known under the guise of the Russian Orthodox Church?

                    I agree! And I do it. Even as a "resident of a hostile state."
                    I see little in common between the cattle you have designated and the Church. More precisely, I don’t see at all how between them and SPACE. They and the Earth are not bad ...
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  • Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 7 October 2013 09: 03 New
    +5
    Noon. Twenty first century.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      Noon. Twenty first century.

      And what, people have come relics to bow. This is bad?
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 7 October 2013 11: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And what, people have come relics to bow. This is bad?

        I will answer insteadCaptain Vrungel, it is VERY GOOD, to people, Russia SO lacks FAITH and SPIRITUALITY.
        There will be FAITH, there will be ALL!
  • Trailer
    Trailer 7 October 2013 09: 09 New
    +6
    Yeah, but the Americans still fly only on Russian ships into space.
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  • tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 7 October 2013 08: 20 New
    0
    Quote: regin
    they climbed there .... soon they will jump around with a tambourine around the rocket))) it comes to a ridiculous one.

    The main thing is that they do not fly into space, otherwise everything will be illuminated there. Although how, there is zero gravity.
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 7 October 2013 09: 04 New
      -1
      A rationalization proposal on how to bless in zero gravity: to press against the wall and from the atomizer, from the atomizer.
    2. SHILO
      SHILO 7 October 2013 09: 12 New
      0
      tronin.maxim
      otherwise they will all light up there. Although how, there is zero gravity.


      You have no Maxim imagination! A rubber pear for what ?! lol
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        1. RUSS
          RUSS 7 October 2013 10: 37 New
          -2
          Quote: SHILO
          Sprinkling Ratsukha. yes


          On their own people are not judged.
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            1. Corsair
              Corsair 7 October 2013 12: 26 New
              0
              Quote: SHILO
              And I advise you to brainwash and ... be careful with the bows - do not hurt your forehead.

              To bow our brow and to humble pride is not a vice or humiliation, but a CHARITY ...

              DON'T BLOG and will not receive such comments.

              In general, your dem otivator and comments on it can be regarded as a violation of the rules of the site.
              It is strange that the administration has not yet responded. request
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                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 7 October 2013 12: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: Corsair
                  So the administration "pulled up" by "cleaning up" the comments ..

                  And Admin pulled out your sinful tongue. laughing
                2. Armata
                  Armata 7 October 2013 12: 53 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Corsair
                  So the administration "pulled up" "cleaning up" the comments ... Including mine, in which I suggested to the SHILO user to put "enemas for sprinkling" into the corresponding hole in his body ...
                  I admit, my comment was rude, but rudeness was caused by a reaction to a demotivator that offends the feelings of believers ...
                  I cleaned it up. This can actually offend many. Let's stumble in a civilized way, not stooping to this. Eat something you do not like, write to the admins.
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 7 October 2013 12: 59 New
                    0
                    Quote: Mechanic
                    Eat something you do not like to write to the admins.

                    But you, as a "moderator", are not relieved of the obligation to track comments in a timely manner ...
                    1. Armata
                      Armata 7 October 2013 15: 28 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Corsair
                      But you, as a "moderator", are not relieved of the obligation to track comments in a timely manner ...
                      I track them, as far as possible.
                    2. Dober
                      Dober 7 October 2013 16: 14 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Mechanic
                      I’m tracking them,

                      Zhenya, let them hang. Don't give a damn ...
                      Many, like the "Corsair" ran to sneak to moderators and admins ............. And "whiny mumzielek, falling into a nervous shiver", I think, is not here. You can be higher than that. Patient and "picky in connections" for the future.

                      Shl. In the evening, later "Apollo" will go hunting and so will present everyone with "personal letters" ...
                      And Smirnov, in the morning, will kick everyone off with a "Banhamer" ...
                    3. Armata
                      Armata 7 October 2013 16: 18 New
                      0
                      Quote: Dober
                      Zhenya, let them hang. Don't give a damn ...
                      Many, like the "Corsair" ran to sneak to moderators and administrators on the wicked? And I think there are no "whiny mamzeleks falling into a nervous shiver". You can be higher than that. Patient and "picky in connections" for the future.
                      Yes, only then such a shit ---- nickname opened. Why crap a branch?
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                  2. Apollo
                    Apollo 7 October 2013 19: 23 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Dober
                    In the evening, "Apollo" will go hunting later


                    You are a shrewd person !!! Just not hunting, but to clear uncleared (contrary to the rules) comments.
                  3. Corsair
                    Corsair 7 October 2013 22: 14 New
                    0
                    Quote: Dober
                    Many, like the "Corsair" ran to sneak to moderators and admins .............


                    Quote: Corsair
                    In general, your dem otivator and comments on it can be regarded as a violation of the rules of the site.
                    It is strange that the administration has not yet responded.


                    For your information, my comment on the post SHILO addressed to him, and not to the admins ...
                    In order to indicate that his demotivator and comment are unacceptable ...

                    With respect soldier
          2. Basileus
            Basileus 7 October 2013 15: 38 New
            +4
            Hmm, who should I turn to when comments offend the feelings of other believers? Believers that there is no god?
            1. Armata
              Armata 7 October 2013 16: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: Basileus
              Hmm, who should I turn to when comments offend the feelings of other believers? Believers that there is no god?
              You can write to me in PM with a link.
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 7 October 2013 22: 25 New
                0
                Quote: Mechanic
                You can write to me in PM with a link.

                To your "sidekick" Dober after that publicly "paraffinil"?
                Dober:Zhenya, let them hang. Don't give a damn ...
                Many, like the "Corsair" ran to sneak up to moderators and administrators ............. And "whiny mumzielek, falling into a nervous shiver", I think, is not here.
  • olegff68
    olegff68 7 October 2013 09: 00 New
    11
    Quote: regin
    they climbed there .... soon they will jump around with a tambourine around the rocket))) it comes to a ridiculous one.

    SO HERE WHO IS GUILTY IN THE FALL OF PROTON !!! belay
    And we thought ... what
    Urgently attract a priest for negligence - you have to admit this: not consecrated rockets take off from the launch pad !!!
    And they are also good at managing the Russian Orthodox Church — they knew and were inactive !!!
    It’s urgent to reevaluate what has not yet been covered in our army, send lists with a price list of the cost of work to the General Staff !!!
    SUBMIT TO THE STATE ARMS PROGRAM THE COSTS OF THE CONCENTRATION OF TOTAL !!! wassat
    1. fklj
      fklj 7 October 2013 10: 55 New
      +6
      Watch out. They will take your joke for the action plan. smile Insanity grows stronger. The time is ...
  • ed65b
    ed65b 7 October 2013 09: 07 New
    +4
    Quote: regin
    they climbed there .... soon they will jump around with a tambourine around the rocket))) it comes to a ridiculous one.

    To do this, you need to call a shaman. This will happen on their east laughing
  • Alez
    Alez 7 October 2013 09: 17 New
    +3
    It is necessary to sprinkle the whole government with holy water, whoever refuses, TOGO on the count aspen.
  • Yarik
    Yarik 7 October 2013 09: 56 New
    +8
    Hmmm .... 21st century. It is terrible to think how they flew in the era of historical materialism.
  • rolik
    rolik 7 October 2013 10: 05 New
    +7
    Quote: regin
    they climbed in there.

    Bright thought)))) It is necessary to put a priest in each rocket and then only launch it. Let them fly)))) and they will nevertheless be closer to the creator. And then they are used to calling girls to church, but to dissect at Z-4 in Moscow at night.
  • Aryan
    Aryan 7 October 2013 10: 11 New
    +3
    interesting to know the details of the action
    and is it very different from lighting houses or launching ships

    so it’s not so simple
    this is a long tradition that even atheism of the USSR could not defeat
    the same example from World War II
    about the tank column Dmitry Donskoy
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 7 October 2013 15: 32 New
      +1
      believers raised funds for this column
  • goldfinger
    goldfinger 7 October 2013 10: 34 New
    +3
    Quote: regin
    they climbed there .... soon they will jump around with a tambourine around the rocket))) it comes to a ridiculous one.

    From Belarus. It's funny. And if the rocket was designed by the Jews (this is most likely the case, the Soviet projects, the Jews have not yet traveled to the "Promised Land"), but were assembled by the Muslims (not excluded)?
    There is no limit to obscurantism.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 7 October 2013 11: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: goldfinger
      And if the rocket was designed by the Jews

      belay ??? .... The same "Proton" was designed by V. Chalomey, who is practically your fellow countryman.
  • kris
    kris 7 October 2013 12: 36 New
    +4
    How much opium is for the people ?!
    So, the consecration of each rocket before launch costs the treasury 170 thousand rubles. From the budget for rocket construction and launch - i.e. from the state budget (from your and my pockets, in other words). At the same time, the “tools” are used by non-cosmic ministers of the church - absolutely the same as for the consecration of apartments or cars, the cost of consecration of which starts from 0 rubles - according to church rules, everyone here gives a lot of pity.
    Father Sergiy, a former rocket engineer who served in the space forces, is part of the combat crew at the time of the launches. The priest walks around the Soyuz launch vehicle from below and, taking an elevator, blesses the spacecraft.
    But at the consecration of the Proton rocket it is not easy. Step by step, Father Sergius climbs higher and higher, stopping at each flight. It will take a long time to climb up to the head fairing, to a height of 72 meters.
    http://tvroscosmos.ru/frm/vestidata/2008/vesti13_12_8_1.php
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 7 October 2013 13: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: kris
      consecration of each rocket before launch costs the treasury 170 thousand rubles.

      And these people demand a reduction in the prices of servicing personal household and other equipment. Life is confronted with priests. I won’t speak about the restoration of parish buildings, this is public.
  • Joker
    Joker 7 October 2013 19: 06 New
    +2
    Mace let them light laughing And I thought because of what the rockets fall, so it means because of what laughing
    1. Armata
      Armata 7 October 2013 19: 22 New
      +2
      the access level is not there. So it remains only to dream. laughing
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 8 October 2013 00: 10 New
    0
    Quote: regin
    they climbed there .... soon they will jump around with a tambourine around the rocket))) it comes to a ridiculous one.


    ... Schaub the rocket on the firmament did not crash ...
  • Denis
    Denis 7 October 2013 07: 50 New
    18
    It would be nice if only for this reason, but ...
    Icon in the car does not replace the seat belt and airbag
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 07: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: Denis
      Icon in the car does not replace the seat belt and airbag

      For an atheist!
      1. Denis
        Denis 7 October 2013 08: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        For an atheist!
        For atheists, Makarevich, he loves or whoever writes a letter to the president, that from the fact that there was no gala concert before the launch
      2. Hon
        Hon 7 October 2013 09: 14 New
        +9
        Recently, a priest on Helik suppressed people. Who was an atheist, priest or crushed? Or maybe it's God's business, sent a righteous Merc to the Gentiles?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Hon
          Recently, a priest on Helik suppressed people.

          Every family has its black sheep!
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      3. Normal
        Normal 7 October 2013 19: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov (1) Today, 07: 56 ↑
        Quote: Denis
        Icon in the car does not replace the seat belt and airbag


        For an atheist!


        Does he replace a believer?

        So the believer can not buckle up, go to the red light and swim behind the buoys!

        Alexander, do you fasten your seat belt, do you have a car with SRS?
    2. Alex Nick
      Alex Nick 7 October 2013 10: 10 New
      +3
      Well, they would hang icons instead of belts and pillows. And you can consecrate the whole car and drive as much as you want.
      1. kaktus
        kaktus 7 October 2013 15: 36 New
        +2
        in the Ufa minibus next to the Orthodox icon and Muslim amulet (sorry if I call incorrectly). in our opinion, both partners took security measures
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 12: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: Denis
      Icon in the car does not replace the seat belt and airbag

      Hope for God, but don’t be fooled.
  • Atenon
    Atenon 7 October 2013 07: 50 New
    +6
    So they found the guilty, so also pay them money.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 7 October 2013 08: 54 New
      +6
      Obvious-Incredible
  • Averias
    Averias 7 October 2013 07: 51 New
    +5
    Damn, well, I don’t know, is it somehow shameless or something. What a shame. They need to be driven out for such statements and statements.
    1. rate
      rate 7 October 2013 08: 33 New
      +1
      Where to drive? He actually doesn’t beg. ;)
  • GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 7 October 2013 07: 51 New
    11
    Funny, by golly! The price tag is probably wild for lighting!laughing
  • Letnab
    Letnab 7 October 2013 07: 51 New
    +9
    Quote from the article:
    Earlier, the head of Roscosmos, Vladimir Popovkin, said that the department would continue to consecrate the rockets, but noted that the reliability of the rocket was not whether it was blessed or not, but how it was prepared for launch at the plant and how it was tested at the cosmodrome
    really insanity!
    1. mik667
      mik667 7 October 2013 08: 20 New
      +3
      Apparently obscurantists did not pay for the rite? Here wassat and spoiled ...
      1. rate
        rate 7 October 2013 08: 35 New
        +1
        Spoilage? You yourself write like obscurantist.
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 7 October 2013 09: 10 New
        -1
        Quote: mik667
        Apparently obscurantists did not pay for the rite? Here wassat and spoiled ...

        Right the amulet was not screwed. And you still have to call the dibs to whisper conspiracies before the start. laughing
  • Hleb
    Hleb 7 October 2013 07: 51 New
    +7
    yes, yes, cool topic !!! here's some more trash:

    Well-known priest revealed the secret of Povetkin’s defeat
    http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1138578
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 7 October 2013 09: 07 New
      +6
      Let me be horrified: why didn’t they sanctify Povetkin? Well now everything has become clear. In the sense of the result.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 7 October 2013 11: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: v.lyamkin
        Let me be horrified: why didn’t they sanctify Povetkin? Well now everything has become clear. In the sense of the result.
  • Normal
    Normal 7 October 2013 07: 52 New
    15
    So there it is ...
    And we thought ...
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  • Veter
    Veter 7 October 2013 07: 54 New
    22
    In Soviet times, equipment was not covered and nothing flew. Here is a handshake of wine for everything
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 7 October 2013 07: 56 New
    13
    I read the headline, still have not stopped laughing))))))) So soon the laws of physics will not work without blessing. Of course, I understand everything, but here they are clearly bending the stick !!
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 7 October 2013 11: 23 New
      0
      Quote: JonnyT
      So soon the laws of physics will not work without blessing.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 7 October 2013 07: 58 New
    13
    Not guys, God here, as they say, does not smell.
    On this occasion, I recall the frames of documentary filmmaking of the First World War. There are two systems, the German and the Russian, and in front of each one walk and "consecrate" the army and weapons for victory, the Lutheran vicar and the Orthodox priest, respectively. BOTH ASKING ONE AND SAME GOD!fool
  • My address
    My address 7 October 2013 07: 59 New
    10
    And I did not hear that in the USSR at the cosmodromes there was a regular priest. Then there were fewer accidents. The priest does not know that religion is not for miracles, but for the correction of people.
  • Basileus
    Basileus 7 October 2013 08: 01 New
    15
    Obscurantism. And Povetkin lost because he was a "pagan", yes.
    1. atalef
      atalef 7 October 2013 12: 17 New
      -1
      Quote: Basi
      leus
      Obscurantism
      . And Povetkin lost
      because "lingual
      hic ", yes.

      priests frown wassat
      According to the abbot of the temple at Baikonur, the recently fallen "Proton" was also not consecrated

      The rector of the Church of the Holy Martyr George the Victorious, Father Sergiy Bychkov, dedicated to the consecration of the missiles that are launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome, told Metro that the success of the launch will often depend on the rite of consecration.

      in any country there are enough idiots
      «
      There is no miracle that the Israeli soldiers were killed during the war: they did not observe Shabbat, didn’t live according to the Torah and did not pray every day, ”Rabbi Ovadiya Yosef, the spiritual leader of the Shas party, made an unprecedented conclusion about his previous war. sermons.
  • SolomonSS
    SolomonSS 7 October 2013 08: 03 New
    13
    Guys, so probably insurance should be canceled on the car! Mandatory car blessing done! The accident will not immediately laughing
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 7 October 2013 09: 09 New
      +4
      Do you hope that financially it will be cheaper? I doubt it.
      1. SolomonSS
        SolomonSS 7 October 2013 10: 55 New
        +2
        This will further emphasize the insanity that is happening in our state.
        It already seems that there is nowhere else to go, but no, our thought does not stop at difficulties and comes up with and fantasizes!
  • Savva30
    Savva30 7 October 2013 08: 05 New
    16
    And I thought that a successful launch depends on the quality of the assembled rocket. I myself am Orthodox, but lately the ROC has clearly gone too far, hoping to regain "lost public positions." Povetkin is guilty that he believed in paganism, the rocket collapsed because it was not illuminated ... too much.
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 7 October 2013 09: 11 New
      +5
      It’s bad that state authorities indulge them. In our city, for example, it was banned to see off the Russian winter this spring. Since, according to the ROC, all this demonism and even in fasting.
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 7 October 2013 10: 04 New
        +2
        Our population, apparently, is losing its intellectual potential, because obscurantism in enlightened societies is practically absent (they have their own problems, yes, but we are not talking about that now), while this is in the order of things for backward cultures. Either the Russian Orthodox Church fights against what it did not fight even in the dense Middle Ages, then fighters for "pure Islam" come to Muslim regions and neighboring countries and impose orders that never existed, replacing local traditions. Frightening prospects, I remember the good song "kill the cosmonauts" - soon we will come to that.
  • Sergeant
    Sergeant 7 October 2013 08: 09 New
    +8
    Quote: regin
    they climbed there .... soon they will jump around with a tambourine around the rocket))) it comes to a ridiculous one.


    "They" have already climbed here: wassat
    "The space industry will be headed by Igor Komarov, the current CEO of AvtoVAZ" (News / 7.10.2013)
    belay
    1. nuclear scientist
      nuclear scientist 7 October 2013 08: 41 New
      +6
      That's right, we had a furniture defense MINISTER, what will happen to the space industry now? it’s not hard to guess, and the priest’s business in Russia is developed and flourishing, but not for the people, the people have become impoverished, and the priests live for their own pleasure, soon there will be a chapel on the space stations, but paid laughing
    2. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 7 October 2013 09: 14 New
      +1
      What are you against? Look: in a vase, sales are falling catastrophically. and here it’s all business, that it’s to spin your wings and that’s all, forward to conquering space. moreover, the missiles are all disposable. Well these are some perspectives looming.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 12: 17 New
        +1
        At VAZ, sales are growing. See statistics. But not thanks to Komarov, but contrary.
  • major071
    major071 7 October 2013 08: 18 New
    +9
    The official resignation of the head of Roscosmos is likely to be announced tomorrow. According to Kommersant’s sources, the government and administration have already agreed on the candidacy of two of his successors. So, the newly created corporation will be led by Igor Komarov, who is still holding the post of general director of AvtoVAZ. According to a Kommersant source in the government, Sergey Chemezov, head of Rostec state corporation, actively lobbied for his candidacy.
    According to Kommersant’s information, the candidacy of the adviser to the head of Rosneft, Igor Sechin, Roman Trotsenko, was also considered for the head of ORKK. His plus was considered work experience as part of large integrated structures: Mr. Trotsenko headed the United Shipbuilding Corporation for about three years.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 7 October 2013 09: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: major071
      The official resignation of the head of Roscosmos is likely to be announced tomorrow. According to Kommersant’s sources, the government and administration have already agreed on the candidacy of two of his successors. So, the newly created corporation will be led by Igor Komarov, who is still holding the post of general director of AvtoVAZ. According to a Kommersant source in the government, Sergey Chemezov, head of Rostec state corporation, actively lobbied for his candidacy.
      According to Kommersant’s information, the candidacy of the adviser to the head of Rosneft, Igor Sechin, Roman Trotsenko, was also considered for the head of ORKK. His plus was considered work experience as part of large integrated structures: Mr. Trotsenko headed the United Shipbuilding Corporation for about three years.

      Well, now everything is exactly like space. The pelvic director will not do anything the same as the pelvis. The place will be damned.
  • Per se.
    Per se. 7 October 2013 08: 28 New
    +4
    Now it is clear why problems with the Bulava do not sanctify ICBMs at the start ... Faith is a sincere need of any person, religion is the exploitation of this need ...
  • ReifA
    ReifA 7 October 2013 08: 28 New
    -3
    If this happens with the purpose of advertising the Russian Orthodox Church, and not with the goal of earning money, I’m only for it. It is better if part of the youth is part of religion, than to the house of 100500.
    1. Hon
      Hon 7 October 2013 09: 20 New
      +5
      Quote: ReifA
      If this happens with the purpose of advertising the Russian Orthodox Church

      The product needs advertising. That is, for the Russian Orthodox Church, faith is a product that they sell.
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 7 October 2013 08: 30 New
    +3
    Interestingly, at what rate is the launch of a space rocket illuminated? And how do they estimate these costs?
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 7 October 2013 09: 16 New
      +1
      God sees it - absolutely free of charge.
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  • Llirik
    Llirik 7 October 2013 08: 35 New
    +2
    without blessing, the rockets crash into the vault of heaven. (c)
    But seriously, the issue of faith is solved for everyone in their own way, and if a decision was made to sanctify, let them sanctify, it certainly won't be worse. No one is shouting about shamanism when the cosmonauts watch the "White Sun of the Desert" before the launch, and no one calls to cancel the breaking of a bottle of champagne during the descent of a new ship.
  • rate
    rate 7 October 2013 08: 40 New
    -4
    How much aggression .. Liberalism begins with atheism. If there is no saint, then anything falls apart. This is how the USSR.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 7 October 2013 08: 42 New
    +6
    And in the USSR, in general, the priests were not allowed to the missiles and they flew nothing normally, what kind of Middle Ages does this happen in the country? Is it possible that if you sprinkle water on a rocket, read something from the Bible, its properties will dramatically improve? Although I think the money in the pocket of one company for "consecration" they list regularly. This is how it happens, engineers, workers, teachers blow with oil, and the company is flourishing.
  • Yuzver
    Yuzver 7 October 2013 08: 45 New
    +6
    I am not against the church, but I hate it when they climb wherever possible. They also told A. Povetkin that he lost because he was not an Orthodox Christian. The church itself repels people from such behavior.
    1. FunkschNNX
      FunkschNNX 7 October 2013 10: 33 New
      +3
      And if the Orthodox will fight with the Orthodox, who will win? Probably the one whose faith is stronger laughing Priests, what to take from them.
  • Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 7 October 2013 08: 45 New
    +9
    The priests of the Ryazan region, serving in rural churches, drive cars, the price of which exceeds a million. And they also have their price list for services. The price of expenses for one candle probably does not exceed the ruble, and for sale are for cosmic prices! They still tell us something about the Bible. Everywhere commerce.
  • Damascus
    Damascus 7 October 2013 08: 46 New
    +3
    Quote: Llyric
    without blessing, the rockets crash into the vault of heaven. (c)
    But seriously, the issue of faith is solved for everyone in their own way, and if a decision was made to sanctify, let them sanctify, it certainly won't be worse. No one is shouting about shamanism when the cosmonauts watch the "White Sun of the Desert" before the launch, and no one calls to cancel the breaking of a bottle of champagne during the descent of a new ship.


    The white sun of the desert is a group psychotherapy session, a good tradition, a wonderful way to calm down before the start.

    Watering a rocket with water - the most that is shamanism, i.e. in some way the divine something is placed above the technical skills of man. And this can cause flaws, because a person may cease to consider himself the last instance responsible for working capacity.

    So, let it be watered, but the answer is still a person and we must remember this.
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 7 October 2013 09: 18 New
      0
      Or maybe we don’t know something. And the cooling of individual parts of the rocket before launch due to technological subtleties?
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 7 October 2013 11: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Damask
      Watering a rocket with water - the most that is shamanism, i.e. in some way the divine something is placed above the technical skills of man.

      And you turn to the sailors.
      Why are they, fools, breaking champagne on the side of a new ship, translating good? It is necessary to attribute this coverage as a tribute to tradition, no more.
      1. Cat
        Cat 7 October 2013 12: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: Tersky
        And you turn to the sailors.
        Why are they, fools, breaking champagne on the side of a new ship, translating good? It is necessary to attribute this coverage as a tribute to tradition, no more.

        There is a cunning theory that thought is material. Not like metal or stone, but like some kind of energy, such as magnetism or gravity. And if a person, and even more so a lot of people, seriously believe in something, then this is exactly how it will happen. Even if not always, but nevertheless. And this explains the amazing vitality of many ancient superstitions, which neither science nor religion could overcome - that believers, that atheists equally knock on wood, spit over their left shoulder, bypass a black cat, and so on. The same applies to sailors with their own champagne, even astronauts have their own "rituals" - like urinating on the wheel of the bus before the start =))
        As for religion, especially modern - its problem is that no one really believes in any God. So, they go to church on holidays, light candles and bake cakes for Easter ... (at best they bake, they often buy in the supermarket, throwing them into one basket with different "disagreeable" things) And in the intervals between these acts, they happily sin how much in vain, nirazu not bothering with the compliance of their actions with the church commandments. This is especially true for clergymen, such as the aforementioned Father Sergius - who, to all other sins, add excessive hypocrisy. Likewise, on this site, many "true" zealots of Orthodoxy - do not hesitate to be rude, cunning, humiliate opponents and all that stuff - although, as I recall, Christ bequeathed something completely different.
        And that is why, all these sanctifications, prayers and other - have no real power and significance. Since actually by faith there doesn’t smell - like window dressing and show-off for visitors. Well, a penny in your own pocket - but what did Christ say about self-interest, do not remind? So w.
        1. Icestar777
          Icestar777 7 October 2013 12: 21 New
          +3
          Pluses +++ and applause good I’ll add from myself that, according to my personal observations, the so-called church citizens have the most nasty character and show a complete lack of mercy.
  • Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 7 October 2013 08: 52 New
    +6
    So it turns out what is the reason for the unsuccessful launches. Not consecrated !!! And I sinned on the systemic crisis in the industry by poor mind. Thanks to my father, I opened my eyes. Just what will he say if (God forbid) a consecrated rocket crashes? Crashed on the firmament of heaven, not otherwise.
    1. mamba
      mamba 7 October 2013 09: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: Doctor Evil
      Just what will he say if (God forbid) a consecrated rocket crashes?

      The answer has long been known: "Trust in God, but don't do it yourself!" Or: "This is the providence of God." In any case, the priests win.
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2013 09: 01 New
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    And as soon as our rockets in the USSR took off without any consecration?
    1. Icestar777
      Icestar777 7 October 2013 13: 03 New
      0
      I won’t be surprised if I find out that someone has sneaked behind the sign of the Cross. Only did it sincerely with all my heart and completely free.)))
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2013 15: 08 New
        +2
        "This is what the life-giving cross does" laughing
  • dmb
    dmb 7 October 2013 09: 02 New
    +6
    All this would have been very funny if it had not been so sad. If God is, then he will certainly punish this priest for self-promotion and craving for money-grubbing. However, this is their personal church affair. But spending budget funds on dubious actions, on sprinkling even with the most holy water, instead of tightening control over the quality of products, is a purely mundane matter. Moreover, it clearly should be of interest to those gentlemen from the regulatory and supervisory authorities who receive quite a decent salary for this.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 7 October 2013 09: 15 New
    +9
    Yes, the Russian Orthodox Church has become a commercial organization of ZAO, with tariffed services, where it does not even smell like God. Sorry.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2013 09: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: ed65b
      Yes, the Russian Orthodox Church has become a commercial organization of ZAO, with tariffed services, where it does not even smell like God.

      Briefly, succinctly, and absolutely fair good drinks
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 7 October 2013 09: 58 New
      +6
      Quote: ed65b
      Yes, the Russian Orthodox Church has become a commercial organization of ZAO, with tariffed services, where it does not even smell like God. Sorry.

      True, but such statements are also harmful from the point of view of business strategy. Because the prohibition of the Days of Neptune, the rewriting of the name of Pushkin’s fairy tale “The Tale of the Priest and His Worker Balda”, or a statement about rockets exposes the church in an absolutely idiotic form. And this is harmful for business .
      It is clear that most of the profit they are allowed to earn for serving the current government. That is, they depend on the government, and not on public opinion.
      But still ... Why make yourself look stupid?
      Apparently, the Russian Orthodox Church, although good with money, is very tight with staff.
  • scientist
    scientist 7 October 2013 09: 16 New
    +1
    Thanks to the author. I did not know about the existence of such a good tradition.
  • FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 7 October 2013 09: 30 New
    10
    That's right, since the rocket was not lit, it goes without saying that Peter didn’t let it go to heaven and it naturally hit the vault of heaven. Well this is elementary. And in Khrunichev it is necessary to baptize everyone and make them fast and not miss prayers, and take new employees only from the seminary, for a 100% guarantee.
    PGM in incurable form: mitt:
  • zvereok
    zvereok 7 October 2013 09: 49 New
    +7
    I suggest that Batyushka fly over the territory of the country and consecrate it ... Well, or at least spray a guide, then we’ll live.
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 7 October 2013 10: 13 New
      +7
      Your koment inspired: in the 90s, when one comrade charged water with a TV box, I had an idea: to put it somewhere at the source of the Volga, Ob, etc. and let it charge the whole river at once.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 7 October 2013 12: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: zvereok
      I suggest that Batyushka fly over the territory of the country and consecrate it ... Well, or at least spray a guide, then we’ll live.
  • Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 7 October 2013 09: 54 New
    +6
    Quote: zvereok
    I suggest that Batyushka fly over the territory of the country and consecrate it ... Well, or at least spray a guide, then we’ll live.

    Leadership will ignite
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2013 11: 31 New
      +3
      Burst under the table
      good
  • Zhenya
    Zhenya 7 October 2013 10: 06 New
    -9
    I'm sick of reading your comments. You can immediately see the Soviet atheists who everywhere see the church getting into military affairs, but is it nothing that the church and the army were always inseparable until 1917 ?? Only when the USSR destroyed Orthodoxy in Russia, but everything returned to normal, your age is over, rest in peace.
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 7 October 2013 10: 18 New
      +4
      In your opinion, it turns out that we are to blame for such an image of the modern church? Maybe you would turn your angry lines to those priests who form the negative image of the church? To any hieromonks who, on good cars, get into accidents and, in addition, behave inappropriately. And such priests at every turn. We have here recently replaced the main priest in the region. So from the new in relation to the former heard enough of this. Which is clearly neither the one nor the other, nor the church clearly added authority.
      1. Zhenya
        Zhenya 7 October 2013 10: 59 New
        0
        And who is to blame? You strongly supported the idea of ​​atheism and now you are the same supporters spitting bile in the first case, uprooted the church and denigrated it. Who's guilty? We, a new generation that honors the church and in every way despises those who denigrate it? Are we to blame? Yes, my generation has already moved away from atheism and now wearing a cross and going to church is not considered a disgrace, as in your times.
        1. Armata
          Armata 7 October 2013 11: 05 New
          +4
          Quote: Marrying
          You strongly supported the idea of ​​atheism and now you are the same supporters spitting bile in the first case, uprooted the church and denigrated it. Who is guilty?
          The church has long blackened itself. And the guilty should be sought not from the outside, but precisely within itself.
        2. Standard Oil
          Standard Oil 7 October 2013 11: 10 New
          +9
          Do you have something against atheists? And by the way, what kind of "new generation" that "honors the church"? Why do you divide people into "new" and "old"? A little bit more and there will be good believers and "bad" atheists, which should be burned in furnaces, oh, sorry, at the stake, another organization burned in the furnaces, which also had good and bad people.
          1. Zhenya
            Zhenya 7 October 2013 11: 19 New
            -2
            Mechanic No need to generalize, the church is essentially a state in the state, and there are also not without fools.
            Standard Oil
            1. Against atheists? Let’s better not talk about it, explain our point of view for too long, and since you are an atheist, you will not support it and we will spend our precious time in the empty.
            2. A new generation that grew up without persecution of the church, which was under the Communist Party.
            3. So how to do this, we have different views on faith, which you confirm a little higher in the text.
            4. Catholics burned at the stake, do not confuse the branches of Christianity. In Russia, this was not instituted. No one is going to humiliate those who believe in something else, just do not throw kakahami at what others believe, that's all.
            1. Armata
              Armata 7 October 2013 11: 30 New
              +3
              Quote: Marrying
              Catholics burned at the stake, do not confuse the branches of Christianity. In Russia, this was not instituted. No one is going to humiliate those who believe in something else, just do not throw kakahami at what others believe, that's all.
              Namesake. I never talked about burning at the stake. I always say that everyone should do his own thing. And do not meddle in technical matters, but we do not meddle in spiritual matters. Only one gets the impression that the Russian Orthodox Church is now up to everything. By the way, I am a Slav - Russian, therefore I think it is not right to compare with Catholics.
              1. Zhenya
                Zhenya 7 October 2013 11: 48 New
                +2
                Mechanic Eugene, I wrote about Catholics to another person. I already understood your position and I’m not going to change and condemn it, I just expressed my opinion, since I am not pleased to read a lot of dirt towards the Russian Orthodox Church. I am also Slavic and Russian and proud of it, but also Orthodox.
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk I welcome, as there in Chelyabinsk, the snow has not yet fallen? here in Moscow, it was 3 times already, though small. According to the text, do not generalize, there are priests, but there are priests, not all priests are priests, not all priests are priests ... oh how :)
                1. Armata
                  Armata 7 October 2013 15: 37 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Marrying
                  Mechanic Eugene, I wrote about Catholics to another person. I already understood your position and I’m not going to change and condemn it, I just expressed my opinion, since I am not pleased to read a lot of dirt towards the Russian Orthodox Church. I am also Slavic and Russian and proud of it, but also Orthodox.
                  Unpleasant? Change the Russian Orthodox Church and do not change us (sane people). They lived under the USSR, few worshiped God, but the country developed. To your generation before the USSR as before China on all fours.
                  1. Icestar777
                    Icestar777 7 October 2013 15: 45 New
                    +4
                    Unpleasant? Change the Russian Orthodox Church and do not change us (sane people). They lived under the USSR, few worshiped God, but the country developed. To your generation before the USSR as before China on all fours.

                    You shouldn't be so. The current generation is not to blame for the fact that it is "on all fours" and the fact that they still believe in something in the current conditions is simply a miracle. And thank God, let them believe.
                    1. Armata
                      Armata 7 October 2013 15: 56 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Icestar777
                      You shouldn't be so. The current generation is not to blame for the fact that it is "on all fours" and the fact that they still believe in something in the current conditions is simply a miracle. And thank God, let them believe.
                      And who is to blame?
                      1. Icestar777
                        Icestar777 7 October 2013 16: 04 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Mechanic
                        And who is to blame?

                        Well, I’ll simplify the previous generation, which the USSR itself collapsed, and now it’s sad about this.
            2. Standard Oil
              Standard Oil 7 October 2013 11: 56 New
              +4
              I agree that it is pointless to argue with the "crusaders", and indeed the new generation has grown up in the terrible Russian reality since 91, I myself know because I was born in 1989, and that time was the deepest humiliation of both the country and ordinary people, by the way, the results of "liberation from tyranny The Communist Party "we are reaping now, when the" evil communists "could at least launch a rocket, modern" spiritualized "leaders have destroyed the industry and cannot even make the rocket take off, and when the last Soviet-style engineers leave and the" victims of the exam "come, then there really will be go to church and light a candle for the peace of the Russian space. Well, about the "good" Orthodox priests you can tell the grandmothers at the entrance, because everyone knows how the "baptism" of Russia "voluntarily" took place, just because of censorship they don't talk about it, you then of course you know the ultimate truth.
              1. Zhenya
                Zhenya 7 October 2013 12: 09 New
                +1
                Standard Oil Oh, as you put it, well done!
                I’m myself in '87 and I also grew up in terrible reality, and so, do I give up? Maybe cry? Difficult times happen in Russia periodically, I can describe to you each and every one was scary, so what? The people rose and again the country rose from its knees, history has branches, and the revolution goes in circles, that is, history tends to repeat itself. I do not blame the CPSU, do not write nonsense! I spoke only about religion and its persecution. You mixed everything in a heap.
                I agree with you about the victims of the Unified State Examination, they couldn’t come up with more stupid decisions than tests, and the country will be able to shake it in 10 years, we were considered a lost generation, but this generation is even worse.
                How the baptism of Rus happened, none of us will ever know - this is what I tell you as a historian.
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 7 October 2013 14: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Marrying
                  I talked only about religion and its persecution
                  1. kaktus
                    kaktus 7 October 2013 15: 48 New
                    +1
                    and a new, very good law on the protection of the feelings of believers stop
            3. Basileus
              Basileus 7 October 2013 12: 44 New
              +5
              They throw kakahami not in faith, but in people. Faith is God, and the church is people. It was people who wrote the Bible and gave it their final appearance a few hundred years after the death of Jesus. People decided what they like about it and what not. People created dogma and decided how to pray. All the holy books of the Abrahamic religions were written by ordinary people, not prophets. Even the Quran was written after the death of a prophet. And people tend to make mistakes, sin, transgress norms. And it is precisely with criticism of people, the church, that those who write here come forward.

              And as for the bonfires. Look at the article in the wiki "Execution by burning in the history of Russia" - and burned in log cabins, and on bonfires. Rarely, but burned. By the way, the pagan heritage was not persecuted either before - the church even resigned itself to Shrovetide. And now she began to press again. So do not assume that what never happened will not be in the future.
            4. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 7 October 2013 14: 30 New
              +1
              Quote: Marrying
              The new generation that grew up without persecution of the church, which was under the Communist Party.
        3. FunkschNNX
          FunkschNNX 7 October 2013 13: 17 New
          +2
          You would be better off honoring somromat.
          And yes, by the way, Article 14, paragraphs once and twice as be implied the incompatibility of state institutions and obscurantism.
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2013 11: 33 New
      +6
      Quote: Marrying
      You can immediately see the Soviet atheists who everywhere see the church getting into military affairs, but is it nothing that the church and the army were always inseparable until 1917?

      You, dear, please do not confuse Orthodoxy and the Russian Orthodox Church, these are slightly different things. My grandfather was Orthodox, but the priests hated fiercely.
  • intsurfer
    intsurfer 7 October 2013 10: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: zvereok
    Well, or at least spray the manual, then we’ll live.

    In vain worry - the country's leadership is doing well! :) Whatever the minister, then from a family of millionaires-billionaires. :)
  • Serafim25
    Serafim25 7 October 2013 10: 10 New
    +3
    http://vk.com/a_i_osipov?z=video-16473853_166198920%2F8d352b0fac3abe997d Друзья! Все ваши комментарии отдают душком "Шарикова"! Надо повышать свое религиозное образование и не судить по себе других.
    1. Armata
      Armata 7 October 2013 10: 53 New
      10
      Quote: Serafim25
      Friends! All your comments smell like "Sharikov"! We must improve our religious education and not judge others by ourselves.
      Duck, I can tell you the same thing. Unfortunately, far from priests invent something worthwhile. And appeals to our divine nature are alien to engineers and technicians. Once again, for especially believers I say. I’ve been inventing stands for gunsmiths in all, 20 years, parts for carbohydrate towers. 12 patents in machine tools. And my god is only my conscience, and not a pop with a cross and a bowl of water, which he recently consecrated. I only believe in the truth.
      1. Zhenya
        Zhenya 7 October 2013 11: 04 New
        +3
        A man needs to believe in something, and now you believe in what the pros are. But when you are no longer up to the drawings and you will be well over 50, you will most likely come to the bosom of the church, as my father did, who for 50 years remained an ardent atheist.
        1. Armata
          Armata 7 October 2013 11: 07 New
          +7
          Quote: Marrying
          But when you are no longer up to the drawings and you are far beyond 50, you will most likely come to the bosom of the church, as my father did, for 50 years he remained an ardent atheist.
          I won’t come. I was disappointed in the official church. Now this is more of a dumb policy. And by the way, purely from a mathematical point of view. If there is a god, and my conscience is clear, I have nothing to ask from him, and I act in his interests, not even believing in his existence (So I do everything on a whim (even inventing a weapon). The conditions are clear? Give me a refutation of this axiom .
          1. Zhenya
            Zhenya 7 October 2013 11: 10 New
            +1
            I do not try to convince you of anything, so be it.
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  • Egoza
    Egoza 7 October 2013 10: 14 New
    +7
    “The consecration of the missiles began in 1998. Since then, we have consecrated almost all the missiles. At the same time, with those missiles that we consecrated, everything was in order, and those that were not consecrated fell.
    Excuse me, didn’t our rockets fly before 1998? Or did everyone fall?
    I am not against consecration, but still it is better to pay attention to technical flaws, or to the impact of any "new products". But do not explain the fall of the rocket by the non-sprinkling of holy water.
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  • Byordovvv1
    Byordovvv1 7 October 2013 10: 36 New
    -2
    It is time for Father Sergius with his lads to escort the white hands, because he himself admitted to his deeds ...
  • OCD
    OCD 7 October 2013 10: 43 New
    +2
    Hope for God, but do not make it yourself.
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  • DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 7 October 2013 10: 44 New
    0
    "Father Sergius: Only those rockets fell that we did not consecrate" - Is he serious? No people, this is a clinic, as for me.
  • 128mgb
    128mgb 7 October 2013 10: 46 New
    0
    This father Sergius foolishly blurted out such a thing.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 7 October 2013 10: 51 New
    -5
    To ridicule and mock at the priests, this is what you all do well. Firstly, this is not decent, and not beautiful especially in this case, at Baikonur the priest sincerely believes in what he is doing, and what do you believe in? That’s what he did to all of you personally, why does it hurt you so much, are you from Pussy Wright? Comparison with shamanism is generally not acceptable, it is unfortunate that so many ignoramuses remain in Russia, the point is not even atheism, but that you do not respect the worldview and conviction of people with whom you have diverging views.
    1. Armata
      Armata 7 October 2013 11: 02 New
      +6
      Quote: RUSS
      and what do you believe in?
      Already 3 times wrote and again for someone who does not read comments. An engineer believes only in truth, knowledge and conscience. And if this pop believes that the main thing in the launch is holy water, then he is stupid.
      Quote: RUSS
      That’s what he did to all of you personally, why does it hurt you so much, are you from Pussy Wright?
      I’m not from Pusi Wright, I am hurt that our ROC considers itself the main and all-knowing, and the priests are omnipotent. This churchman would be smarter, he wouldn’t blurt out this, but would sit and pray for the next successful launches ..
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 7 October 2013 11: 15 New
        -3
        They do not consider themselves as such, rather you are "omniscient".
        1. Armata
          Armata 7 October 2013 11: 23 New
          +8
          Quote: RUSS
          They do not consider themselves as such, rather you are "omniscient".
          Engineers do not meddle in church affairs, so let the church not seek profit, and does not consider itself omniscient in our worldly affairs.
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 7 October 2013 11: 33 New
            +2
            Quote: Mechanic
            let the church not seek profit, and does not consider itself omniscient

            Exactly and not otherwise. I fully agree and support unconditionally.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 7 October 2013 15: 14 New
              -5
              Quote: Hedgehog
              Quote: Mechanic
              let the church not seek profit, and does not consider itself omniscient

              Exactly and not otherwise. I fully agree and support unconditionally.

              "The cuckoo praises the rooster ....."
              I.Krylov.
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 7 October 2013 15: 24 New
                +2
                Quote: RUSS
                "The cuckoo praises the rooster ....." I. Krylov.

                Wouldn't the mighty Maxim be kind enough to show the world where the "mechanic" praises "Ezhak" at least once? Threshing tongue do not beat off bows. And the laws of the work of mechanisms do not prevent everyone, without exception, from knowing! Strange as it may seem, all personal belongings are able to work without the intervention of any of the saints. Even a cell phone!
                And someone was going to stop the discussion. Who could it be???
              2. Armata
                Armata 7 October 2013 15: 42 New
                +2
                Quote: RUSS
                The cuckoo praises the rooster ..... "
                I.Krylov.
                For what?. Specifically to this article, nobody praises anyone. We are just arguing. Is it necessary to cover all technical inventions. This is not divine creation. Or how?
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 7 October 2013 15: 58 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  Specifically to this article, nobody praises anyone.

                  The namesake, do not bother the person. When he speaks, at this time he is warming. Looks at work with him, like at home, there is a problem with heating. fellow And no one argues here. There is no reason for a dispute. People just share their points of view. wassat
        2. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 7 October 2013 12: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: RUSS
          rather, you are "omniscient".

          Maxim, and you're right, "mechanic" really knowing all in their field compared to others. Have something to argue?
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 7 October 2013 11: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      the priest sincerely believes in what he does

      who is stopping him and others from believing? But for free, he doesn’t even lift a finger, like many other figures, such as psychologists who are so untwisted. Everything is done for its own benefit. AND improperly mounted mechanism, no matter how sanctified, will not work!
    3. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 7 October 2013 12: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: RUSS
      Firstly, it’s not decent, and not beautiful, especially in this case
      What is dishonorable and ugly in this - especially in this case?

      in Baikonur, the priest sincerely believes in what he does
      On what grounds do you say that he is sincere?

      That’s what he did to all of you personally, why it hurts you so much
      Personally, I am offended by unsubstantiated speculations issued as the ultimate truth.

      Comparison with shamanism is generally not acceptable
      Why?

      it is unfortunate that so many ignoramuses remain in Russia
      But this unproven statement is visible and decent, and beautiful, and acceptable - especially in this case. laughing

      You do not respect the worldview and conviction of people with whom you have diverging views.
      Firstly - judging by your comment, this statement applies primarily to you.

      Secondly - Fedya, who is in a psychiatric hospital, considers himself Napoleon - this is his worldview, he is convinced of this despite objective facts that speak of his wrongness. Do you offer respect for his beliefs?
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 7 October 2013 13: 33 New
        -2
        Fedi has a disease.
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            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 7 October 2013 20: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: Mechanic
              Help with such diseases do not give

              But psychiatry nonetheless deals with them, though only when the acute phase begins drinks
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