The case of "Oboronservis." The climax?

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Oboronservice "Santa Barbara" is entering the climax stage? We don’t know, don’t know ... But the investigative authorities indicted the defendants in the Oboronservis case in the final version. “In the final version” is according to the representatives of the Main Directorate of Military Investigations (the Main Military Investigation Department). What is the "final version" of these accusations, at least in the example of one of the persons involved - let's try to understand more.

The case of "Oboronservis." The climax?


Regarding the time to become a superstar of domestic corruption, Evgenia Vasilyeva, charges were filed on a dozen episodes. All these episodes fit into four articles of the Criminal Code:

article 159 "Fraud" (the maximum term under the article - 10 years in prison);

article 174 "Legalization (laundering) of money or other property acquired by other persons by criminal means", item 1 “Making financial transactions and other transactions with monetary funds or other property, knowingly acquired by other persons in a criminal way, in order to give a legitimate type of possession, use and disposal of specified monetary funds or other property” (the maximum penalty for this item is a fine in the amount of annual income);

article 285 "Abuse of authority" (the maximum term under the article - 10 years in prison);

article 286 "Excess of official powers" (maximum term under the article - 10 years imprisonment).

Only in fairness it must be said that all maximum terms “shine” to those persons who are “in a group”, “by prior agreement” or “with especially grave consequences”. The choice of the first paragraph of Article 174 by the investigation suggests that the GVSU is not ready to give Yevgeny Vasilyev the status of a representative of a criminal group. You know, I myself acted alone ... But, even if we partially sum up all the episodes that Vasiliev was accused of, then there would be plenty of time for sewing the jackets. Another thing is that in addition to the investigating authorities, we still have a court, and the Russian court often shows heightened humanity towards robbers of billions and suspicious anti-humanity towards those who stole a supermarket in a supermarket, for example, for the first time ...
Despite the fact that the damage inflicted to the state personally by Eugenia Vasilyeva is about 3 billion rubles, her lawyer does not lose heart, as his client himself does not seem to lose heart. Hassan Borokov (namely, he is the lawyer of the lady from Molochny Lane) stated (quoted from Interfax):

I hope that, if the law is observed, all the charges against Vasilyeva will be dropped due to the absence of corpus delicti in her actions. We believe that the case will not even go to court.


Here is how! The lawyer is not embarrassed by the fact that 57 thousands (!) Precious stones of the total mass (together with precious metals) already 19 kilograms were found by investigators in the apartment of his client, even 19 kilograms, or the amount of money needed to purchase XNUMX kg of diamonds , rubies, emeralds, gold and platinum, a whole set of expensive watches, Evgenia Vasilyeva needed to work hard for at least three of her lives ... Maybe he allows for a series of reincarnations in relation to her client, during which she had time to otat to "two buckets" bryulikov ...

GVSU representatives say that they collected an evidence base confirming the information that Evgenia Vasilyeva was selling state property to affiliated persons and structures at a lower price, after which this property was sold at market price, and the proceeds from such sales dropped into the accounts of combinators from "Oboronservisa." Such accounts (belonging to Vasilyeva) were arrested, in particular, in one of the Swiss banks.
At the moment, in relation to the activities of Oboronservis and, let's say, parallel structures, 25 criminal cases have been initiated, which are combined into one proceeding. The list of persons involved in the Oboronservis case (under various types of arrest) is impressive. Besides Mrs. Vasilyeva it

Irina Egorova (CEO of Prioritet, ex-director of Mira), suspected of stealing 100 million rubles;

Andrei Lugansky (director of Security and Communications), who, together with the chief accountant of the company, Yulia Rotanova, is suspected of embezzling 53 million rubles;

Ekaterina Smetanova, who is under a written undertaking not to leave her on suspicion of a whole series of frauds related to military real estate;

Maxim Zakutaylo (Smetanov’s husband and director of the Air Force Military District MVO ”;

as well as Alexander Elkin, Nikolay Ryabykh, Konstantin Lapshin.

The total damage caused to the state by these (well, of course, not only by these) ladies and gentlemen amounted to more than 6 billion rubles - this is according to representatives of the GVSU SU IC of the RF.

It is noteworthy that the investigation of the time allotted by the norms of the Criminal Procedure Code has managed to bring official charges far from all the defendants. For example, the aforementioned Maxim Zakutaylo may even be released in less than a month, as it turned out that the prosecution's investigators had delayed ...

Well, and in relation to some gentlemen, whose surnames are suspiciously often featured in various reports about the machinations in the Ministry of Defense, the investigation generally behaves, to put it mildly, strangely. For example, representatives of the Investigative Committee have never stated about the interrogation of such a person as Valery Puzikov (the husband of the sister of the ex-Minister of Defense). This, despite the fact that after conducting a journalistic investigation by Komsomolskaya Pravda, it turned out that the Puzikov family are just some Rockefellers of the domestic “spill”. In the possession of companies and organizations, headed by Mr. Puzikov, there were dozens of real estate objects: land, houses, apartments, offices, warehouses, and even ... a public toilet in St. Petersburg on Novoladozhskaya. By the way, the house in Molochny Pereulok, where Vasiliev is imprisoned, according to Kosmomolka, also belongs to Puzikov. Viktor Baranets, who carried out a journalistic investigation, says that this is “the insatiability of hapuzhnichestvo” and “it gives rise to the insatiability to recruit more, more, knowing that you will not be caught”.

It is obvious that all these "defense service" torments have long been able to step beyond the framework of a regular criminal case. This is, in fact, about the prestige of the country, about the ability of the authorities to effectively manage the state, about the ability to build a common legal field for all (and not just for the elect). Therefore, it depends on the end result of this extensive business that there is no need to conceal, and the level of people's confidence in the Russian authorities.
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  1. +53
    7 October 2013 09: 09
    It is obvious that all these "defense service" torments have long been able to step beyond the framework of a regular criminal case. This is, in fact, about the prestige of the country, about the ability of the authorities to effectively manage the state, about the ability to build a common legal field for all (and not just for the elect). Therefore, it depends on the end result of this extensive business that there is no need to conceal, and the level of people's confidence in the Russian authorities.
    Dear only without emotion The chief said, “Just don't panic! The mustache will be all right: we will take a bath, have a cup of coffee, fly uutkiii, fly uuutkiii "" Calm. Only calm. I will command the parade "well," We are not 37 years old "
    1. +107
      7 October 2013 09: 16
      Quote: os9165
      "We are not 37 years old"
      I hope that after the Olympics we will have 37year, otherwise the country is already choking on liberals, bribe takers and other evil spirits. Play and have enough!
      1. geptilshik
        +27
        7 October 2013 09: 32
        I wonder who will suit him this notorious 37 year. GDP or something, but no, he will definitely arrange it, until 2037 he will sit on the throne for a year.
        1. +11
          7 October 2013 09: 48
          Quote: geptilshik
          I wonder who will suit him this notorious 37 year. GDP or something, but no, he will definitely arrange it, until 2037 he will sit on the throne for a year.
          If you closely follow the news, you might notice that it has already begun, so far only the first quarter of 37 of the year))) work on the middle link and the heads of small cities. In order not to cause a resonance in society, trump grabbers have not yet been touched, but their turn!
          1. +48
            7 October 2013 10: 39
            Quote: bomg.77
            In order not to cause a resonance in society, trump grabbers have not yet been touched, but their turn will come!

            What resonance? He would have the whole country clapping his hands while standing, if he had started with a trump card. At the very most likely stigma in the gun. Or did he go on vacation while Dima was at the helm? Or the prime minister is not supposed to poke his nose in the affairs of the Ministry of Defense? Just don’t say that he didn’t know ...
            1. optimist
              +30
              7 October 2013 10: 55
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              What resonance? He would have the whole country clapping his hands while standing, if he had started with a trump card.

              I think so too. And it is high time for the respected members of the forum to relax: "there will be no cine" ... Putyara is not an idiot to dig his own grave. For as soon as they put Serdyuk in prison, he will immediately receive a "snuff box in his temple" from his shobla, because any of these creatures, shown daily on the zombie box, can be put up against the wall without investigation and trial. So calming down: who will voluntarily destroy the "vertical" of theft and plunder of the country ??? laughing
              1. +33
                7 October 2013 11: 01
                The prosecutor's office investigator reports to the president: "Vasilyeva pointed to Serdyukov, Serdyukov to Chubais, Chubais to Surkov, Surkov to Medvedev, Medvedev to ...".
                "Enough ..." - interrupts Vladimir Vladimirovich: "... and so it is already quite obvious that no one is to blame for anything ..!"
                1. +10
                  7 October 2013 14: 26
                  good laughing
                  But Putin’s opinion
                  1. Donvel
                    +14
                    7 October 2013 16: 23
                    Let me guess whose hand it is. This is the hand of "certain forces" good
                    Our friend of GDP, as always, breeds demagogy and says nothing in essence. Want to know if they will sit or not? Do not sit down. There is more than enough obvious evidence. We would like to plant it - we would have planted it a long time ago.
                    1. +4
                      7 October 2013 20: 38
                      Well, he’s a NORMAL GUY (GDP), how to hand over that root, and Zhenya is sorry, a beautiful woman, she was sitting at house arrest for friends, he didn’t leave a house !!! but nothing the investigation lasts another 1,5 years and you can go out .............
                      1. 0
                        7 October 2013 22: 11
                        Deffchonka, indeed, is quite even. And what about VV? I’m not a fan, but who knows them in politics, both external and internal. There should be considerations stemming from the knowledge of a number of points that we simply don’t know. V.V. not easy.
                      2. +2
                        8 October 2013 02: 50
                        Quote: Yarik
                        Deffchonka, indeed, is quite even. And what about VV? I’m not a fan, but who knows them in politics, both external and internal. There should be considerations stemming from the knowledge of a number of points that we simply don’t know. V.V. not easy.

                        That's it...
                        How to convey to small-town ghouls who plant people right and left, squeezing small, medium, and sometimes large business, that this should not be done?
                        What, it is necessary to threaten with a finger and everything will be settled as if by magic? Who will threaten, Putin? To whom? The shadows?
                        Don’t tell my slippers - how long would it take him, and his comrades-in-arms, to monitor the excesses in the places and identify the owners of the shadows?
                        In this case (his answer), Putin specifically declares his position and desire to convey to those involved, as he sees and hopes he is going to equip domestic politics on a specific issue ...
                        Conclusions and measures will be taken based on the results of the activities of those individuals, including officials who do not heed the logic and letter of the Law ...

                        And "swinging a sword" through the air without seeing targets is not just stupid, but in post-Yeltsin Russia, it is simply dangerous ...

                        Or who thinks, and who mistakenly believes that there are immortals?
                    2. Troitsky
                      -1
                      8 October 2013 04: 21
                      if they would like to otmazyut already would otmazyvali. But things are going on so far, so it’s not so simple.
                      1. +3
                        8 October 2013 16: 12
                        Quote: Trinity
                        if they would like to otmazyut already would otmazyvali. But things are going on so far, so it’s not so simple.

                        They would have long been dismissed if it weren’t for such a public outcry. This is a matter in full view of the whole country, and declaring these ghouls innocent means openly, and in the literal sense of the word, to spit in the face of their people. And to plant - to destroy the system of mutual responsibility. That's really interesting how it all ends. laughing I think they will solder about 3 years old Vasilyeva, they will set off their imprisonment under house arrest, and Great Pu, with an enlightened look, will again broadcast that our courts are independent, and this is their decision, and he, as an exemplary citizen, must respect him.
                      2. Donvel
                        +2
                        8 October 2013 17: 18
                        In fact, already otmazyvali. It remains only to release everything on the brakes
                      3. +2
                        9 October 2013 00: 56
                        So already otmazyvali. Serdyukov is not guilty and goes on trial as a witness.
                      4. +1
                        11 October 2013 19: 19
                        We would like to plant it - for a long time all the kodla would sit on the plank beds, but you need to do it carefully, slowly, so that there would be no noise. They have to work long at the feeding trough before retiring.
                2. sillsas
                  0
                  7 October 2013 20: 16
                  To the point!
              2. +10
                7 October 2013 11: 20
                They can’t pull the trump cards ... Mr. Smerdyukov seems to be hoping for this.
              3. +1
                7 October 2013 15: 35
                Bravo! Absolutely my thought.
              4. pawel57
                +1
                7 October 2013 20: 37
                He has one thing to do. Wherever you turn, loop everywhere. Like Berezovsky and hang.
                1. +4
                  7 October 2013 20: 46
                  Who is friends with GDP, not a single loop has rubbed the throat (remember Bellalovs) !!!!
            2. +11
              7 October 2013 11: 27
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              What resonance?
              Do you know Khodorkovsky's resonance? Already 10 years, neither inside the country, nor in the West can not calm down even Bush senior to Putin flew to Sochi for him. There who are not touched or "SKY" or "HIV", and these are able to raise squeals.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Or the prime minister is not supposed to poke his nose in the affairs of the Ministry of Defense? Don’t say that he didn’t know

              Ingvar, how did you find out about the thefts in the Moscow Region? Liberals? Democrats? Anal (he was busy then, he was tyril forest laughing)? No, it was done by Putin. If he didn’t want to, or if his hand is there, why appoint a check? Just don’t convince me that the Minister of Defense was checked at the initiative of the prosecutor’s office or the Accounts Chamber.
              1. Mikado
                +12
                7 October 2013 11: 51
                Tashchemto, Moscow Region, like other state ministries and departments, checks the Accounting Chamber as planned, and Serdyukov was caught on this, and when the thermometer went off scale. By the way, in the Rosreestr theft of 50 billion rubles was also found by the Accounts Chamber during a routine check. Now Stepashin, the head of the chamber, was removed and Golikova was put in his place, the fox was appointed a chicken coop to guard, so that this chamber wouldn’t stand up across the throat.
                1. Yarosvet
                  +5
                  7 October 2013 13: 04
                  Quote: Mikado
                  Now Stepashin, the head of the chamber, was removed and Golikova was put in his place, the fox was appointed a chicken coop to guard, so that this chamber wouldn’t stand up across the throat.
                2. +2
                  7 October 2013 13: 05
                  Quote: Mikado
                  Tashchemto, Moscow Region, like other state ministries and departments, checks the Accounting Chamber as planned, and Serdyukov was caught on this, and when the thermometer went off scale. By the way, in the Rosreestr theft of 50 billion rubles was also found by the Accounts Chamber during a routine check. Now Stepashin, the head of the chamber, was removed and Golikova was put in his place, the fox was appointed a chicken coop to guard, so that this chamber wouldn’t stand up across the throat.
                  And Stepashin and Golikova, these are all Putin’s people, without his team, I think they wouldn’t go anywhere.
                3. Yarosvet
                  +12
                  7 October 2013 13: 06
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                  1. Mikado
                    +7
                    7 October 2013 20: 07
                    I remember this news, it was at the same time when the first channel raised money for operations throughout the country for children, it’s a shame for the country.
                4. 05061956
                  +1
                  12 October 2013 17: 44
                  Absolutely right - after the autopsies of these corruption scandals - I had to send Stepashin to hell. And Golikova’s snout to the nines - there’s no better candidate.
              2. +8
                7 October 2013 14: 21
                Quote: bomg.77
                Do you know Khodorkovsky? For 10 years now, neither the insider nor the West can calm down, even the eldest Bush flew to Putin to fly to Sochi for him.

                Khodorkovsky climbed forward for a piece, that's all. Abramovich does not go into politics out of turn, and shares with "someone" above, but this does not mean that he is so honest
                Quote: bomg.77
                Just do not convince me that the Minister of Defense began to be checked at the initiative of the prosecutor's office or the Accounts Chamber.

                I will not convince. The fact that Serdyukov is free is the best confirmation that Vova is in the subject. And the fact that the abscess was opened, it was impossible without it, the whole army was already grumbling. And as history shows, you can play with the army, you can not replay. So the wolves are full, and the sheep are safe.
                1. pawel57
                  +1
                  7 October 2013 20: 41
                  There is no army and no one to complain. It took an army to defend its power and money, but it was not available.
              3. pawel57
                +1
                7 October 2013 20: 39
                Putler is not alone in this world. Taburetkin became insolent in the region and put in place.
              4. +1
                9 October 2013 01: 01
                You accidentally did not notice where Stepashin, head of the Accounts Chamber, is now and who was appointed to his post so that henceforth such punctures as the case in the Moscow Region no longer pop up.
              5. Captain Vrungel
                +2
                12 October 2013 18: 10
                Here is the answer to many questions. Who is now held in high esteem.
            3. -2
              7 October 2013 12: 05
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              He would have the whole country clapping his hands while standing, if he had started with a trump card.

              Behind the trump cards is a large criminal retinue, which has a fairly large influence, with us if you forgot capitalism, where the loot is everything. Therefore, it is necessary to act gradually, removing their support from under their feet, and then they themselves will fall.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Or did he go on vacation while Dima was at the helm?

              If you recall, they had constant conflicts with Dima, they did not even appear in public for a long time.
              1. +3
                7 October 2013 14: 27
                Quote: DEfindER
                If you recall, they had constant conflicts with Dima, they did not even appear in public for a long time.

                Lovely scolding, only amuse. And the fact that the GDP and its DAM are just managers is clear. -not mine.
            4. pawel57
              +1
              7 October 2013 20: 35
              Exactly in proportion
            5. DDA
              DDA
              +1
              8 October 2013 03: 23
              I agree plus! In general, they pulled up tales about a good king and bad boyars! How the guarantor of the constitution controls the executive branch. At least for the sake of form, I asked "Dima" the question "And what is your mess in the MO, I'm waiting for a detailed report."
          2. +6
            7 October 2013 11: 10
            Quote: bomg.77
            If you closely follow the news, you might notice that it has already begun, so far only the first quarter of 37 of the year))) work on the middle link and the heads of small cities. In order not to cause a resonance in society, trump grabbers have not yet been touched, but their turn!

            Is it that investigators train, like on cats, before going on tigers. although any investigator will tell you that if there is information, you must first of all take the leader and the most active members of the organized crime group, and a simple "peel" can be cleaned up later without haste, because it does not have such connections and opportunities as the "head". and the GVSU does the opposite, gives the "head" the opportunity to either fade or take measures so that there is no court. maybe that's why the lawyer says that he hopes that the case will fall apart before the trial?
            1. +1
              7 October 2013 12: 12
              Quote: wasjasibirjac
              is that, investigators train, like on cats, before on tigers
              No, hunters are waiting for the right moment, but for now in the yard they shoot cats Yes Olympics! Guests must be met and held.
          3. +6
            7 October 2013 14: 02
            Quote: bomg.77
            If you closely follow the news, you might notice that it has already begun, while only the first quarter of 37

            Dreams Dreams! Our governor has 5 deputies in court and no use !!!!
            1. 0
              8 October 2013 01: 25
              Quote: kostella85
              Dreams Dreams!
              Dreams Come True. (V.V. Putin.) laughing
              Quote: kostella85
              Our governor 5 deputies are on trial and to no avail !!!
              Probably so many have poured that there is not an open edge of work for trackers.
          4. +6
            7 October 2013 14: 26
            Quote: bomg.77
            trump grabbers have not yet been touched, but their turn will come!

            But in vain. If you would bring a few trump cards under a firing article and with confiscation, you look and you would put the middle link of the state money grabbers in your pants. Thief would be reduced at times.
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          6. 0
            12 October 2013 08: 24
            Yaroslavl, Makhachkala, Voronezh - these are very small cities?
        2. +17
          7 October 2013 10: 24
          Quote: geptilshik
          I wonder who will suit him this notorious 37year

          None!!! The people are still waiting for a miracle.
          1. +6
            7 October 2013 11: 42
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            None!!! The people are still waiting for a miracle.

            Hello Sasha! On the contrary, judging by warmth and loyalty, faith in the triumph of justice, this is a miracle for the people of Russia.
            1. +3
              7 October 2013 11: 46
              Quote: Tersky
              On the contrary, it’s a miracle of the people of Russia.

              And miracles are full of forest wassat
              Hi Vit hi
              1. +3
                7 October 2013 11: 49
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And miracles are full of forest

                And the whole forest of their three pines ... wassat
            2. +6
              7 October 2013 14: 34
              Quote: Tersky
              Hello Sasha! On the contrary, judging by warmth and loyalty, faith in the triumph of justice, this is a miracle for the people of Russia.


              Or sheep that have been sheared for 20 years. And there they will let meat. My opinion is that the defense service case will either fall apart completely, or they will make Vasilyev a scapegoat. According to the Dimochka law, the aunt will pay a multiple of what has been proved (and not many are recognized as proved in court) and will leave to live his life to Tolik. By the way, Tolik may pay the money, and apparently not his own. And that's it, the topic is closed! Everyone is happy! Justice triumphed!
          2. Misantrop
            +12
            7 October 2013 12: 00
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The people are still waiting for a miracle.
            It is strange that no one around notices another miracle. Convince me that a simple Russian girl, Evgenia Nikolaevna Vasilyeva, allowed to calmly "carry in the beak" SUCH amounts. Nobody jerked and put it on the counter? Kilograms of precious metals with stones lay quietly in the apartment? And this - in Moscow, famous for its lawlessness, where hundreds of greedy eyes are watching every exchanger, and the national diasporas have long since divided all the cash flows to a penny? Yeah, now ... Well, I don't believe in SUCH fairy tales ... request
            1. +4
              7 October 2013 12: 14
              Quote: Misantrop
              Convince me that a simple Russian girl, Evgenia Nikolaevna Vasilyeva, was allowed to calmly "carry away in her beak" SUCH sums. Nobody jerked and put it on the counter?

              This is generally what considering that below you write ...
              Quote: Misantrop
              And this is in Moscow, famous for its lawlessness, where hundreds of greedy eyes are watching every exchanger, and the national diasporas have divided all cash flows to the penny for a long time

              National diasporas on a cannon shot will not be allowed to the main feeder, where ours are sitting RUSSIAN.
              1. Misantrop
                +7
                7 October 2013 12: 44
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Our Russians are sitting there
                Here I am about the same ... Not the same people and not the amounts that so easily gave to the side to leak ... All sorts of "Serdyukovs" and "Vasilievs" steal, and for some reason they become billionaires ... "Vekselbergs ". Paradox or regularity? what
              2. pawel57
                +2
                7 October 2013 20: 44
                Since when did the Jews suddenly become Russian?
                1. 0
                  7 October 2013 21: 03
                  By the way, there are not only Jews, but also, you will not believe, purebred Russians
            2. Yarosvet
              +5
              7 October 2013 13: 10
              Quote: Misantrop
              Kilograms of precious metals with stones lay quietly in the apartment
            3. 0
              7 October 2013 14: 10
              Personally, I got the impression that the GDP has long taken a position: - if you don’t want to sit, return the loot. And given the amount by which they are robbed, there may be a reason. What is the use of a parasite behind bars who stubbornly remains silent where things have been stolen.
              1. +1
                7 October 2013 17: 02
                Quote: Muadipus
                GDP has long taken a position: - you do not want to sit - return the loot


                REFINE, PLEASE: WHO AND TO WHOM SHOULD BE RETURNED OF THE STORED? I hope the Russian people, only through whose hands? Without intermediaries can not do ....

                HANG THE SLOGAN: Looted? Bring people back, adversary !.
                1. Misantrop
                  +2
                  7 October 2013 17: 17
                  Quote: AleksUkr
                  HANG THE SLOGAN: Looted? Bring people back, adversary !.
                  It's easier, instead of a fixed term for economic crimes, to introduce the wording: "Until compensation for damage, but at least ... years" IMHO, it will be much more sense lol
              2. Yarosvet
                +5
                7 October 2013 17: 12
                Quote: Muadipus
                Personally, I got the impression that the GDP has long taken a position: - you do not want to sit - return the loot
                I do not observe this, but even if this were so, then such a position, to put it mildly, is not normal.

                And given the amount by which they are robbed, there may be a reason. What is the use of a parasite behind bars who stubbornly remains silent where things have been stolen.
                Finding the ends is the business of the relevant authorities; the difficulty in finding these ends is not a reason to give an opportunity to pay off.

                And taburetkin is far from the main problem, but only an episode. The system is destructive - politics is sharpened by negativity, violations of common sense and the Constitution at every step, all reforms come down to cutting and redistributing funds, which in turn leads to degradation - these are the main problems, and even planting a stool cannot solve them.
              3. +1
                9 October 2013 01: 10
                Quote: Muadipus
                Personally, I got the impression that the GDP has long taken a position: - if you don’t want to sit, return the loot. And given the amount by which they are robbed, there may be a reason. What is the use of a parasite behind bars who stubbornly remains silent where things have been stolen.

                You are very optimistic about the president. Ask knowledgeable people what is silent is not an argument. They say everything and even at the first interrogation. There would be a desire to talk.
        3. AVV
          +12
          7 October 2013 11: 06
          If our government does not plant these ghouls, then it will lose confidence in itself, now it’s not 37 years old, and no one is going to send Serdyukov and Vasilyeva to shock construction sites of the White Sea channel, or uranium mines, it’s enough that the first one goes by profession, furniture he did, chairs, stools, and the second sewed work clothes, otherwise they are very far from the people !!! And the thief should be in prison! If they are released, it will be tantamount to spitting on the people in the face !!! Draw conclusions gentlemen !! !
          1. MAG
            +6
            7 October 2013 11: 36
            One thought came to my mind and she was like that - house arrest Serdyuk visits her "loses" she naturally flies in and there is childbirth and a reprieve for 14 years. We have an accident with such a scenario, and then the economic one will even more so pass.
          2. Yarosvet
            +5
            7 October 2013 13: 14
            Quote: AVV
            If they are released, it will be tantamount to spitting people in the face !!! Draw the conclusions of the gentlemen !!!

            But what - direct violations of the Constitution (such as the minimum wage below the subsistence level) and other spits - are not enough for conclusions?
          3. +3
            7 October 2013 13: 42
            Now it’s not 37, and nobody is going to send Serdyukov and Vasilyeva to the shock construction sites of the White Sea channel, or the uranium mine

            And it’s a pity, that’s where I would send them crying
      2. +16
        7 October 2013 09: 42
        I also really hope that we will have "37". But it will not come, neither after the Olympics, nor after 2018, nor after 2023, never. The same way Serdyukov will not sit down, neither yesterday, nor tomorrow, nor the day after tomorrow.
        1. -1
          7 October 2013 10: 09
          Why such confidence? 37 may not come, but 2014 will be, with the same consequences as in 37.
          1. +8
            7 October 2013 10: 25
            Quote: bomg.77
            but 2014 will be, with the same consequences as in 37.

            And what are the prerequisites for this? That good Putin will turn evil laughing
            1. -1
              7 October 2013 12: 24
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: bomg.77
              but 2014 will be, with the same consequences as in 37.

              And what are the prerequisites for this? That good Putin will turn evil laughing
              Alexander, but few mayors of cities and regional officials have been planted in recent months, or is this not a prerequisite?
              1. +5
                7 October 2013 14: 13
                Quote: bomg.77
                Alexander, while few mayors and regional officials have been planted in recent months

                Very, very, very little!
                1. 0
                  8 October 2013 00: 20
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Very, very, very little!
                  Let it be for now.
                  Then there will be "mow the scythe while the dew" I hope.
            2. +2
              7 October 2013 13: 48
              And what are the prerequisites for this? That good Putin will turn into evil laughing

              Take a look back. The evil tyrant Stalin, if you dig carefully, has always been a supporter of moderate politics, democracy, if you like. Remember what positions he held, what issues he resolved. Well, or look if you remember nothing other than Radzinsky-Rezunov-Svanidze. And about good Putin tell Hodor wassat
            3. 0
              7 October 2013 15: 50
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              That good Putin will turn evil

              And he is so evil. He only turned his anger for some reason, not to thieves in his own house, but to an unfortunate, stupid black man ... sorry, black man ... ugh, you black fool from the usa. request
              1. 0
                12 October 2013 08: 46
                it's just an advertisement for washing powder, remember, "tide or boiling"
          2. 0
            7 October 2013 21: 06
            it is possible that you are right, I'm afraid only the consequences will be not the same
      3. +6
        7 October 2013 10: 23
        Quote: bomg.77
        I hope after the Olympics we will have 37 year,

        Are you naive laughing after the Olympics we will have 2015, until 37 another 22 years to wait wassat
        The verdict of the "court" IS INNOCENT!
        By the way, what about Vasilyeva’s pregnancy, is she going to give birth? There were so many discussions on this issue, and the stomach is still there. winked
        1. Fin
          +5
          7 October 2013 10: 37
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          By the way, what about Vasilyeva’s pregnancy, is she going to give birth? There were so many discussions on this issue, and the stomach is still there.

          Apparently she is just sure that she will not sit down therefore pregnancy is not needed. She has an order and family ties with Svetlana. All this is sad, trackers are working on the basket.
          1. +2
            7 October 2013 10: 42
            Quote: Fin
            She has an order

            Oh, I didn’t know. And for what?
            1. Fin
              +4
              7 October 2013 11: 33
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Oh, I didn’t know. And for what?

              Pump.a
        2. +6
          7 October 2013 10: 41
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          By the way, what about Vasilyeva’s pregnancy, is she going to give birth? So many discussions were about this issue, and the belly is still there winked

          Children do not grow up in their mouths, Sasha wassat
          1. +6
            7 October 2013 10: 43
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            In the mouth, children do not grow

            Her lawyer will prove the opposite laughing
          2. +4
            7 October 2013 12: 46
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Children do not grow up in their mouths, Sasha
            strong! laughing laughing
        3. predator.3
          +7
          7 October 2013 10: 48
          Вfrom this is called kebesh justice, they didn’t even mention Tolik, and relatives are just patrons! How will it end? a couple of years will be assigned to random sixes, and this, in order to improve health, buy tickets to the Seychelles, and to London for permanent residence!
        4. +2
          7 October 2013 12: 04
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          There were so many discussions on this issue, and the stomach is still there.
          Sasha, well, the simple truth laughing
        5. +2
          7 October 2013 12: 44
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          after the Olympics we will have 2015
          Come on... wassat
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Are you naive
          No, I'm an optimist!
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          By the way, what about Vasily’s pregnancy, is she going to give birth?
          This is for Serdyuk, most likely a hollow! Yes
        6. +1
          7 October 2013 19: 48
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          By the way, what about Vasily’s pregnancy, is she going to give birth?

          She refuted the expression: "You can't be a little pregnant." And she confirmed another, answering the question: "Are you not pregnant anymore?", With the original answer: "Oh, it has already resolved."
      4. vell.65mail.ru
        +3
        7 October 2013 10: 53
        There will be 37, they can see a solid roof, which itself is involved in this, otherwise everything would be different.
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      6. +5
        7 October 2013 12: 01
        Quote: bomg.77
        I hope that after the Olympics we will have 37year, otherwise the country is already choking on liberals, bribe takers and other evil spirits. Play and have enough!

        Don't get your hopes up. Then we will wait for Mundial-2018.
        1. 0
          7 October 2013 12: 56
          Quote: Garrin
          Quote: bomg.77
          I hope that after the Olympics we will have 37year, otherwise the country is already choking on liberals, bribe takers and other evil spirits. Play and have enough!

          Don't get your hopes up. Then we will wait for Mundial-2018.
          it’s necessary to have time in between. It’s not long to wait. I believe that we will clean the country after the Olympics. hi
          1. yur
            yur
            +2
            7 October 2013 21: 33
            And what has to do with the Olympics in general, we are not going to start an unjust war, but to plant our own thieves. Our foreign "friends" should only welcome this.
            1. -1
              8 October 2013 01: 12
              Quote: yur
              .Our foreign "friends" should only welcome this.
              They are friends of those
              whom we are going to clean. They will scream "Putin is a bloody tyrant."
              1. 0
                9 October 2013 01: 19
                Quote: bomg.77
                Quote: yur
                .Our foreign "friends" should only welcome this.
                They are friends of those
                whom we are going to clean. They will scream "Putin is a bloody tyrant."

                Even children do not believe in a fairy tale about evil boyars and a good king.
      7. +4
        7 October 2013 12: 16
        I hope after the Olympics
        I also hoped that Klitschko and Povetkin gathered for a meeting on the 5 number on the eve of the end of the EdRA congress, so that at the exit from the hall each congress participant would give in to the enthusiasm in the forthcoming work. But no. They fought with themselves.
      8. +3
        7 October 2013 12: 30
        Quote: bomg.77
        I hope after the Olympics we will have 37 year,

        After the Olympics, we will have 2015 year, and then another World Cup, and then something else ... Although the hope for justice is warming, but with each such episode less and less ...
      9. +6
        7 October 2013 12: 37

        Nothing will happen after the Olympics. Where, then, to do with the moon-faced alpha male, the wise looking forward? If "evil spirits" are called to account, then its leader will also need to be dressed in prison uniform. You do not think that all the chaos in the country is happening without his approval, support and participation?
        Some time after the Olympics, there will be another accession of the main Siberian Crane to the Russian throne with the ardent "approval" of the people. Churov will provide 146%.
        1. 0
          7 October 2013 13: 39
          Around Stalin, there were also his comrades-in-arms in the revolution and "evil spirits", but he cleaned everyone. This is how all the leaders did. Until the end of their rule, they usually come without those with whom they took this power. And Putin will do so.
          1. 0
            7 October 2013 14: 03
            Alexei! (is it possible? writing an appeal to a homeless person is somehow strange recourse ) I shake your courageous hand! (I hope you do not mind fellow ) it’s very rare, even on this resource, not to mention others, to meet a person who adequately and logically evaluates our history. And not beating in hysteria - Stalin is a tyrant! Putin is a thief! Everything is lost! etc.
            History is mathematical, algorithms can be traced quite clearly upon close examination. And most importantly, there are people whose brain and logic do not turn off under the pressure of "democratic universal humanity" and all its derivatives.
            My deepest IMHO: the "injection" operation is complete. The next phase is "liquidation".
            I believe in our victory! drinks
            1. 0
              8 October 2013 00: 40
              Quote: Firstvanguard
              Alexey! (can this be so?

              Can.
              Quote: Firstvanguard
              The history is mathematical, the algorithms on closer examination can be traced quite clearly.
              In mathematics, we have not only 37 year on our nose, but even worse, it is 41 .. Without 37 there will be no 45 year. If you change Stalin's last names to Putin, Tukhachevsky-Serdyukov, Berezovsky-Tr

              otsky, then everything will immediately fall into place history can be read over those years and see how events will develop. I also forgot the 2008 crisis and the great diplomacy. Everything is cyclical. I not only believe in our victory, I am confident in it! Respectfully.
              1. 0
                8 October 2013 09: 22
                There is nothing special to add, we understood each other. Thanks for your attention.
        2. 0
          9 October 2013 01: 31
          [146% Churov will provide him. [/ Quote]

          But with interest it will be more difficult. If agencies already close to the Kremlin can barely pull out a 30% GDP rating, then by the end of the 3rd term they will be like late Yeltsin somewhere in the region of 5-6%. Most likely there will be an operation receiver N 2.
      10. +5
        7 October 2013 12: 40
        How naive you are, and this is after four presidential decrees No. 742, No.741, No.740, No.739 when he sharply raised the salary of senior officials, well, after the Olympics, we will have 37 year. A hundred times HA HA.
        1. -3
          7 October 2013 13: 42
          Quote: os9165
          How naive you are, and this is after four presidential decrees No. 742, No.741, No.740, No.739 when he sharply raised the salary of senior officials, well, after the Olympics, we will have 37 year. A hundred times HA HA.
          Let's see, wait, and then laugh.
      11. Airman
        +6
        7 October 2013 16: 32
        [quote = bomg.77]; [/ quote] I hope after the Olympics we will have 37 years, otherwise the country is already choking on liberals, bribe takers and other evil spirits. Play and stop! [/ quote]
        Your words, yes to God in the ears. But the year 37 is coming for the people: Utilities services are growing by leaps and bounds, prices for goods are also growing, real inflation is off the charts, people's protests for their rights are prohibited by law, the police are guarding guest workers, and not a single HIGH-STATED robber is in prison, they receive "suspended" sentences if received.
      12. +2
        7 October 2013 18: 46
        And do not hope, Alyosha. Let them go on the brakes. I already firmly do not believe
        1. +1
          8 October 2013 01: 04
          Quote: Very old
          And do not hope, Alyosha. Let them go on the brakes. I already firmly do not believe
          A month ago, when Obama brought AUG to Syria, everyone on the site also sprinkled ashes on his head that Putin would surrender, he has trillions in his accounts and his "masters" are kept on a short leash. Snowden is also the story, everyone said that he would give up, however he repeatedly proves the opposite, but we still do not believe him, is that correct in your opinion? How can we know what schemes Putin is playing at the top, This will happen, I am sure of it!
      13. Current 72
        +1
        8 October 2013 01: 30
        May God grant YOUR words to God in ears !!!
        1. 0
          8 October 2013 02: 45
          I myself wish it, like everything here on the site, I want it to happen faster, but I understand with my head that it is better to do this after the Olympics. hi
      14. +1
        8 October 2013 03: 00
        Quote: bomg.77
        Quote: os9165
        "We are not 37 years old"
        I hope that after the Olympics we will have 37year, otherwise the country is already choking on liberals, bribe takers and other evil spirits. Play and have enough!


        And why after the Olympics? Is that X time ??? Why not after the 2018 FIFA World Cup? After the Olympics, new intergalactic projects will take away all the forces of our fighters for (their) bright future .... 37 year ... is it like bees against honey ???
      15. +1
        11 October 2013 19: 18
        As I understand, there will be no charges against Serdyukov? Strange! It turns out in vain they slandered him, it turns out he is white and fluffy, a person who does not know anything about what was happening behind him. What a poor fellow he is! It is a pity, a pity, "honest, loyal to the Motherland" Serdyukov.
      16. 0
        12 October 2013 08: 23
        actually it's time
      17. 0
        13 October 2013 19: 05
        Oh dear you won’t punish yourself ... your hand will not rise ...
      18. peter_shchurov
        0
        13 October 2013 21: 02
        Quote: bomg.77
        I hope after the Olympics we will have 37 years



        The hamster thirsts for blood with hope looking at Soncelikogo PU !!

        But are you not afraid to get into the millstone? Or is it sure that this will happen to anyone, but not to you?
    2. +13
      7 October 2013 11: 18
      I don’t believe in Putin for a long time, but while I’m careful not to assess this situation, half of the country is waiting for the trial with impatience !!! something magic must happen home !!!
    3. smiths xnumx
      +7
      7 October 2013 11: 22
      No, it will end like this ...
    4. +4
      7 October 2013 12: 21
      "The lawyer is not embarrassed by the fact that in the apartment of his client, at one time, investigators discovered 57 thousand (!) Precious stones with a total mass (together with precious metals) as much as 19 kilograms, or the fact that to earn the amount of funds necessary to acquire 19 kg diamonds, rubies, emeralds, gold and platinum, a whole set of expensive watches, Evgenia Vasilyeva had to work tirelessly for at least three of her lives ... Maybe he allows a series of reincarnations in relation to his client, during which she managed to earn money on "Two buckets" of bruliks ... "
      All this would undoubtedly confuse a lawyer if our authorities, for example, ratified Article 20 of the UN Convention on Illicit Enrichment ...
      But ... she, eta Convention, allegedly does not fit in with the Constitution, and the Criminal Code must be amended and the year is not the 37th year. request
      1. +2
        7 October 2013 12: 45
        The trouble is that this "lady" "earned everything" with backbreaking work, being listed as one of the leaders in a dozen of non-poverty-stricken firms. Yes, and in the Moscow region, "for unbearable and selfless work," she was repeatedly encouraged with multimillion-dollar bonuses, well, her salary with bonuses was, apparently, higher than "decent". So they both found the gold and quickly forgot, not to drag him to business. request
        They just laugh at stupid investigators from the UK who simply openly put sticks in the wheels. Critters! am
    5. Ruslan_F38
      +2
      7 October 2013 16: 12
      What's not clear? If you plant Vasilyev, you have to plant Serdyukov, if you plant Serdyukov, you have to plant Zubkov, Chubais, Kudrin, Shaimiev, Matvienko, Medvedev and others, list laziness, and then who will? It’s not difficult to guess - GDP.
    6. 0
      7 October 2013 21: 03
      Quote: os9165
      It is obvious that all these “defense-service” torments have already managed to step beyond the scope of a usual criminal case


      if someone is imprisoned, but not a serdyuk. as you know, witnesses are not imprisoned
    7. +1
      8 October 2013 20: 35
      What amazes me the most in the listing of articles of the Criminal Code is that it does not consider a crime from the perspective of treason against the Motherland and undermining state principles and security! Fraudsters? The thieves? But will not it be enough? It’s not from a meat-packing plant that they dragged clippings! The Syrian crisis showed the combat readiness and power of our fleet. Something will be not enough! And how many units could be equipped only with the funds that were taken from Vasilyeva’s house? These are not abstract values ​​- 57 thousand stones, 19 kg of stones with precious metals ...
      I think that in order for their gang to respond, it would not be necessary even for 37 years. It would be enough and the 77th!
  2. +18
    7 October 2013 09: 11
    The culmination stage will enter an active mode after the Olympics, because why provoke liberals in power to inadequate actions against Russia.
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  3. +6
    7 October 2013 09: 12
    Are these people really lost conscience?
    1. +13
      7 October 2013 09: 21
      yes with these people and so everything is clear.
      I am interested in the conscience of those who judge these people? God grant yes. And we finally hear fair sentences.
      1. +13
        7 October 2013 10: 27
        Quote: asadov
        I am interested in the conscience of those who judge these people?

        What are you saying? In our country, the law is one for all! So Putin said, then Serdyukov will receive a life wassat state security and cottage on Rublevka laughing
      2. +1
        7 October 2013 11: 14
        Quote: asadov
        God grant yes. And we finally hear fair sentences.

        just keep in mind that the most honest and fair judge cannot go beyond what the investigator presented to the defendant. if Vasilyeva and K. are shown that they each acted alone, then everything, a loner maniac for money.
        1. +1
          7 October 2013 12: 08
          Quote: wasjasibirjac
          the most honest and fair judge cannot go beyond what the investigator presented to the defendant.

          Actually, the prosecutor presents ... wink
    2. +10
      7 October 2013 09: 30
      There is no shame before cattle. Slave owners respect only slave owners.
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      2. +5
        7 October 2013 11: 15
        Quote: Yoon Klob
        . Slave owners respect only slave owners.

        but they are afraid of the rebels - Spartak, Pugachev .....
    3. +13
      7 October 2013 09: 31
      Quote: Lantau
      Are these people really lost conscience?

      Have they ever had it?
      1. Dober
        +2
        7 October 2013 12: 36
        Quote: Egoza
        Have they ever had it?

        But of course she was. Children are born sinless. If only "these" were children, and not sent by aliens from the "alpha-centauri".
        And if there were anyway, then conscience died out as atavism, stolen by someone or simply lost.
        Here it is, (conscience) and it is necessary to look for the trailblazers and return to the "terpila", and then "voluntary repentance" is not far off. And everyone is happy ...
        Well, if the "lost" cannot be found, then it is necessary Donor of Conscience... Putin is clearly not suitable for this role. Even as a "practicing surgeon". But as an "anesthesiologist" he is good ...
    4. +3
      7 October 2013 09: 35
      what? Who is a conscience? These are no longer people.
      1. +5
        7 October 2013 10: 28
        Quote: Ded_smerch
        Who is a conscience?

        Outdated concept.
    5. +5
      7 October 2013 12: 13
      Quote: Lantau
      Are these people really lost conscience?

      For the likes of Vasilyeva, it’s easy ...
      1. Cat
        0
        7 October 2013 12: 26
        Quote: Tersky
        Quote: Lantau
        Are these people really lost conscience?

        For the likes of Vasilyeva, it’s easy ...

        The picture is cool, but a little off topic. Rather - not at all in the subject.
        Because the officials in general and Ms. Vasilyeva in particular - such a thing as conscience is completely absent. It’s too expensive a pleasure, you won’t steal so much in any budget. Well, except that you can sell all the pants with paintings, and move from a 13-room center to a slum castle. But then it’s not a fact that is enough.
    6. +1
      7 October 2013 14: 16
      Are these people really lost conscience?

      C'mon, do you really think that they know the meaning of the word? By definition, their conscience, in computer terms, can be connected via an external interface. OBHSS and KGB 2.0
    7. 0
      7 October 2013 15: 56
      Quote: Lantau
      Are these people really lost conscience?

      It is not initially provided for by their design. Hope on their conscience, at least naively.
    8. 0
      7 October 2013 17: 12
      Quote: Lantau
      Are these people really lost conscience?


      And who saw her? Show that man?
      BUT IN GENERAL
      1. +1
        7 October 2013 19: 20
        theft from us - they are not considered theft. so to speak, especially the national mentality
    9. 0
      9 October 2013 01: 40
      Quote: Lantau
      Are these people really lost conscience?

      To lose something, you must first have something
  4. +11
    7 October 2013 09: 17
    Thank you, Alexey! You cannot ignore THEM. Otherwise, ALL THE BIG FISH WILL LEAVE, and they will punish the little things and the INnocent, as usual. From me also the second "+" would be FOR THE RIGHT POSITION!
  5. +26
    7 October 2013 09: 19
    It is useless to plant corrupt officials or shoot them, as the experience of China shows, they will be replaced by young growth. I remember Prince Potemkin - Tavrichesky said: "It has now become impossible to destroy the bureaucracy, because the destruction of it will have to be entrusted to the same bureaucrats. But, even having destroyed the old bureaucracy, they will immediately give rise to a new, even more voracious, more enduring and tenacious ..."
    And you can make them eat each other (sell them in bulk, as in Italy) and introduce collective responsibility (of relatives), as in the United States. Then the bureaucrat will be limited within this framework and will understand that now he will grab it and "live", but he and his family will pay. He will surely pay off, as there is one smart one and for indulgence in the form of a "clean and good" name, he will surrender everyone. And instead of a 4-room apartment, which already had cars for himself and his wife, there will be 2 rooms in a hostel with Lada Samara for everyone. But even this he will not be able to feel, since he will sit for at least 5 years.
    After that, corruption will decrease so much that corrupt officials will be shown as a national rarity.
    1. +4
      7 October 2013 10: 47
      Quote: ImPerts
      It’s useless to plant corrupt officials or shoot them, as the experience of China shows, young growth will replace them.

      The experience of China shows the opposite. In all respects. When you know that you can smear your forehead with a green paint for a bribe, you start differently for a freebie.
      1. +2
        7 October 2013 11: 18
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        The experience of China shows the opposite. In all respects. When you know that you can smear your forehead with a green paint for a bribe, you start differently for a freebie.

        For so many years and have not yet won this hydra ???
        For 10 years, about 10.000 officials were shot in China, and about 120.000 officials were imprisoned. Won ???
        1. +3
          7 October 2013 12: 25
          Quote: ImPerts
          For so many years and have not yet won this hydra ???

          It will never be possible to defeat her completely. But the rates of economic growth show that the chosen path is correct. With the oriental "tangerine" mentality, China would have collapsed without a "tower".
        2. consul
          +3
          7 October 2013 12: 47
          Quote: ImPerts
          Over 10 years, approximately 10.000 officials were shot in China and about 120.000 bureaucrats were imprisoned.

          as a percentage of the population of China, this is not much, i.e. argumentation by execution is effective.
          1. 0
            7 October 2013 13: 21
            It's not about the execution.
            I already wrote above. A sense of danger - will give up any of the chains and mutual responsibility, when relatives and friends can’t explain the purchase of the mansion, since they will also be checked, these two main factors. But executions, you will not leave for executions. Once he steals, he will be shot, but the children and grandchildren will be in chocolate, the normal peasant will not stop the shooting, he will do everything for his children and grandchildren, even die.
            And of course - inevitability.
            About Vasilyeva. 1) If there were executions. But will not the case fall apart upon reaching the court or simply not reaching ??? 2) Will she be recognized as guilty if she bought everything with "pebbles" for a salary from previous jobs, and her dad gave her an apartment ??? 3) And they will shoot her, who will return the apartment with two buckets of "stones" ???
            1. +1
              7 October 2013 14: 27
              And they will shoot her, who will return the apartment with two buckets of "stones" ???

              The solution is obvious. Confiscation of property, including from relatives + execution.
            2. 0
              7 October 2013 14: 31
              Quote: ImPerts
              It's not about the execution.

              In it. In a complex with the security measures listed by you.
              1. +1
                7 October 2013 17: 36
                Therefore, the point is not in execution, but in mutual responsibility. Like the mafia or organized crime groups. You hit, everyone hit. Do not want, do not go. Wanted, think about family. I thought about my relatives, introduced - decide.
  6. +22
    7 October 2013 09: 19
    Personally, I have a very ambiguous attitude to the GDP, so the sentences in this case (if any) for me, and for the majority of sane people in the country, will be like a litmus test for the legitimacy of the current government and the GDP personally. I really want to believe that the GDP will rehabilitate itself before the people after not the most "successful" first two terms of his presidency. In general, life will show "xy is xy". what
    1. 0
      7 October 2013 10: 48
      Does anyone need "it"? I'm talking about GDP.
    2. +6
      7 October 2013 11: 04
      velikoros-xnumx
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      therefore, the sentences in this case (if any) are for me, and for most sane the country will be like a litmus test for the legitimacy of the current government and personally GDP.


      By God, you are strange people. If Putin "jails" Serdyukov - Putin is the hero of our time. If not, you are so
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      ambiguous attitude to GDP
      "ambiguous and you will treat him. It's funny! Open your eyes, strain your head.
      For Putin, this Serdyukov and others like him, and others like them, are a KOZYR in his pocket. The card will be played (or not) at the moment of the greatest discontent of the citizens of Russia (first of all, Russians !!!). While you can "pull the cat by ya.tsa" and observe ... He has more than enough such "trump cards" in any sphere: politics, economics, education, etc., etc.
      I already wrote - I think it will "put".
      But "how much" and how? Well, let's say, the trial and the verdict, Serdyukov is 10 years old common fund ... So what ??? WILL IT BE THERE AT ALL???? Are you sure that for zhurnalyug, it will not be specially brought from overseas paradise islands, before that asking for Do not eat it for a week?
      And you, and
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      most sane in the country
      you will rejoice like children. And thank Putin for "" "" landing "" "" Serdyukov, while being up to his ears in shit with Gaster, in the role CHIEF
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      In general, life will show "xy is xy".

      So, in my opinion, everything is "shown" ...

      To whom the following does not seem - Nonsense, that Otzombi, and I'm sorry, inadequate. Olympic flame ...
      "The relay will pass through 2900 settlements of the country, will last 123 days, having covered more than 65 thousand kilometers and visiting all regions of Russia. The Olympic flame is also planned send to the ISS and take it out into outer space, load on the bathyscaphe to the bottom of Lake Baikal, lift it to the top of Elbrus and take it to the North Pole." fool fool fool
      1. zmey_gadukin
        +1
        7 October 2013 12: 00
        Z.A.M.
        It is a pity that + only one)
      2. 0
        7 October 2013 14: 35
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        For Putin, this Serdyukov and others like him, and others like them - KOZYR in his pocket.

        Big +
    3. 0
      9 October 2013 02: 38
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      Personally, I have a very ambiguous attitude to the GDP, so the sentences in this case (if any) for me, and for the majority of sane people in the country, will be like a litmus test for the legitimacy of the current government and the GDP personally. I really want to believe that the GDP will rehabilitate itself before the people after not the most "successful" first two terms of his presidency. In general, life will show "xy is xy". what

      See everything that happens during 13 Putin years
      and still have hope that by the age of 65 he will improve, it is worth a lot. But as they say, blessed is he who believes. Although this is not the place.
  7. +17
    7 October 2013 09: 20
    A couple of days ago there was generally such an article-information:
    Vasiliev may be released after October 22 - http://www.mk.ru/social/justice/article/2013/10/04/925599-serdyukovskaya-amazonk
    a-vasileva-mozhet-vyiyti-na-svobodu-after-22-oktyabrya.html
    ...
    Quote: os9165
    "We are not 37 years old"

    And someone else, besides liberal propaganda, believes that in the 37th innocent lambs fell under the distribution entirely?
    By the way, I already wrote that with this phrase: - "We are not 37 years old," Mr. You-know-who directly confirmed, if you think about it, that in the 37th it was just people like Taburetkin and his comrades who were brought to the mind-mind.
    1. +3
      7 October 2013 09: 50
      That's the thing! I also recently noticed WHO first and foremost, projectors and public money squatters sat down.
      1. Yarosvet
        +2
        7 October 2013 13: 31
        Quote: mirag2
        That's the thing! I also recently noticed WHO first and foremost, projectors and public money squatters sat down.
    2. +6
      7 October 2013 10: 30
      Quote: anip
      Vasiliev may be released after October 22

      And what is she sitting in the dungeon?
      1. 0
        8 October 2013 05: 01
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And what is she sitting in the dungeon?

        She is under arrest. Home, but still arrest. From the point of view of the law - not at large. And the term of stay under house arrest will be counted stopudovo in the term of serving the sentence upon sentencing (if any).
  8. +24
    7 October 2013 09: 20
    These are also on the list!
    1. +6
      7 October 2013 09: 26
      "What disgusting faces." Can I save myself?
      1. +6
        7 October 2013 09: 29
        Quote: samoletil18
        Can I keep myself?
        Of course, for that and laid out
        Need to know хheroes
        1. +2
          7 October 2013 09: 40
          Thank! Comrade Lieutenant General!
    2. +11
      7 October 2013 09: 35
      I suggest on the site to get a black raster book)))
      1. +6
        7 October 2013 09: 51
        Will you shoot? Everyone should be judged, undoubtedly People who have ruined the country and ruined it, at least deserve the article "treason". But to shoot ... Better to carry out the confiscation of property and beyond the cordon without money. Let them live in their beloved Europe and it helps them.
        1. +7
          7 October 2013 10: 32
          Quote: Humen
          It is better to confiscate property and for a cordon without money. Let them live in their beloved Europe and it helps them

          Dear, do you think that all the accumulations of data from citizens are already over the hill? As an option, I consider it necessary, in my understanding (in the future), to create special-purpose groups for the official destruction of thieves who hide abroad and refuse to give up voluntarily looted public property.
        2. SASCHAmIXEEW
          +4
          7 October 2013 10: 33
          Take away and kick out? No !! let them sit in the zone, snarl the snarls for about 10 years, and then go on the road to the sweet west! Will it ever come? Dreams Dreams! But if they close the stool, then BEAM OF HOPE !!!
          1. Dober
            +1
            7 October 2013 12: 58
            Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
            let them sit in the zone, snarl the snarls for about 10 years, and then go on the road to the sweet west!

            Well, why waste potential so talentlessly? They are all such "insanely talented liudis".
            This means that they can easily earn money for a ticket to Eldorado. Whoever does not find himself on the wooden stage of the Zonovo amateur performances will "easily take possession of a pick or a wheelbarrow."
            Taking into account the "northern coefficients" and "night hours", I think in a couple of years they will drive themselves to "business class" and a bubble in duty free ...
          2. Yarosvet
            +1
            7 October 2013 13: 34
            Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
            Take away and kick out? No !! let them sit in the zone, snarl the snarl for 10 years

            So uninteresting.

            For life on the minimum wage, and then on the minimum pension (minimum at CURRENT standards) laughing
        3. 0
          7 October 2013 10: 51
          What neher europe? They, not all of course, are state custodians. secrets. Lean them against the wall, let them repent, return the gold stolen and go by the grace of the princess in the north to mend ....
        4. 0
          7 October 2013 11: 23
          Yes, what confiscation ?? Their money and children have long been there, what are you going to take from them? In my opinion, a sensible way is to take them hostage (according to the black booklet;)) and put forward an ultimatum or you will return the loot to the wall within _____ (you can set the clock yourself), oh, how quickly they fuss. )))
        5. 0
          9 October 2013 02: 43
          Quote: Humen
          Will you shoot? Everyone should be judged, undoubtedly People who have ruined the country and ruined it, at least deserve the article "treason". But to shoot ... Better to carry out the confiscation of property and beyond the cordon without money. Let them live in their beloved Europe and it helps them.

          You probably don't know. They have been living there for a long time and only 'work' here.
      2. +4
        7 October 2013 09: 52
        Quote: Ded_smerch
        I suggest on the site to get a black raster book)))

        and what an interesting offer!
        Or make a rating of ministries and departments, it would also be interesting to look at the results!
        1. +4
          7 October 2013 10: 32
          Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
          Or make a rating of ministries and departments, it would also be interesting to look at the results!

          And what to look at, he is zero in Africa and zero.
          1. +1
            7 October 2013 11: 31
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And what to look at, he is zero in Africa and zero.

            What if it goes up!))
          2. yur
            yur
            0
            7 October 2013 22: 07
            So besides zero, there are also negative numbers.
      3. +1
        7 October 2013 10: 31
        Quote: Ded_smerch
        I suggest on the site to get a black raster book)))

        It depends on the number of names.
    3. SASCHAmIXEEW
      +1
      7 October 2013 10: 25
      Well, probably not all ....?!
    4. +3
      7 October 2013 10: 40
      Quote: Denis
      These are also on the list!

      The government, the State Duma, the Federation Council, the leadership of the Investigative Committee, the leadership of the General Prosecutor's Office are also on the list. I insist.
    5. +1
      7 October 2013 11: 21
      Quote: Denis
      These are also on the list!

      but who will touch them. they are monuments
  9. +19
    7 October 2013 09: 22
    The main suspect is not named? (Not even the suspect, but the main executor)) Comrade Syrdyukov and K. ......
    Again a farce and an attempt to flush things down the toilet ....
    All adults, Vasilieva (subordinate)) could not do without the orders of a man lying on his own.
    (since it is in the "bending position"))))
    Serdyukov was also dependent on the "commander-in-chief", who at that moment was not "officially" (but we understand that the "poster" is Dimon Medvedev)) - This is a screen ....
    And Vladimir Vladimirovich is also a puppet, says ONE, makes and signs, OTHER ....
    Mismatch ...... spurious resonance ....
    In this vein, no system can live (including-man))
    So THIS is not the climax .... (here we will correct the respected Alexei Volodin)))
    This is PRE-PEOPLE))))
    1. +5
      7 October 2013 09: 38
      Here we have already come to the line that IM is terribly crossed. Behind her, apparently, this will begin to open ... So, most likely, the top wants to hush up the matter. And it would be hushed up, but such publicity does not allow it so immediately. That's what it is climax. Further it will already be seen: where is the matter going.
      1. +6
        7 October 2013 10: 33
        Quote: samoletil18
        And it would be hushed up, but such publicity does not allow it so immediately.

        If you wanted to hush up, then there would be no criminal case in principle.
        1. +1
          7 October 2013 10: 55
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Normal redistribution of spheres

          I agree, the change of ownership, no more.
        2. 0
          7 October 2013 16: 06
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          If they wanted to hush up, then in principle there would be no criminal case.

          The main defendants would have traditionally found incurable terrible diseases, and the Duma would have restrained grins while standing at the coffins in the honor guard.
    2. +1
      7 October 2013 10: 54
      Serdyukov puppy. He also has patrons, so few people know their names, but who knows those out loud or as in the scripture they do not mention "in vain" ...
      1. Yarosvet
        +3
        7 October 2013 13: 52
        Quote: ale-x
        Serdyukov puppy. He also has patrons, few know their names
        1. Fin
          0
          7 October 2013 14: 07
          And the head of the Federal Tax Service? The source is not reliable.
          1. Yarosvet
            0
            7 October 2013 17: 21
            Quote: Fin
            And the head of the Federal Tax Service? The source is not reliable.

            This is not a biography, but a reminder of who he was.
      2. +1
        9 October 2013 02: 27
        Quote: ale-x
        Serdyukov puppy. He also has patrons, so few people know their names, but who knows those out loud or as in the scripture they do not mention "in vain" ...

        Come on.
        Turn on the first and immediately see these patrons led by the main.
        The people are not stupid and judging by the comments everyone knows everything.
  10. +6
    7 October 2013 09: 23
    Such cases have no statute of limitations. Sooner or later, everyone will get their
    1. v.lyamkin
      +1
      7 October 2013 10: 03
      I think that the defendants will not object much if they are told that they will answer somewhere in 100 or even 200 years.
    2. +3
      7 October 2013 10: 25
      Strange, Yeltsin and Co. have not yet received!
    3. +2
      7 October 2013 10: 56
      I don’t understand how they qualified these matters? To hell with all these articles, it should sound like a betrayal of the motherland, and the trio should judge.
  11. +9
    7 October 2013 09: 25
    The most effective measure, in my opinion, is confiscation! about which the catch phrase says: "After all, everything that was acquired by back-breaking labor was still stolen (read - taken away)."
    1. +6
      7 October 2013 09: 51
      A confiscation incidentally, Putin canceled ...
      What do you say about this?
      1. +5
        7 October 2013 10: 35
        Quote: mirag2
        A confiscation incidentally, Putin canceled ...
        What do you say about this?

        But isn't Yeltsin? But if Putin, then he appointed Serdyukov to the post of Defense Ministry. What can I say, but nothing request
      2. +2
        7 October 2013 17: 29
        Quote: mirag2
        A confiscation incidentally, Putin canceled ...


        YOU'RE RIGHTS: In 2003, confiscation was canceled by Federal Law of December 8, 2003 No. 162. The legislator explained this as a step towards the humanization of the punishment system in the Russian Federation. Putin, of course, signed.
        A NEED SO:
        1. yur
          yur
          +2
          7 October 2013 22: 14
          Right in my heart it became warmer. Only not a "comrade", but a "citizen". What kind of comrade he nafig us.
    2. 0
      7 October 2013 10: 57
      Quote: Dwarfik
      The most effective measure, in my opinion, is confiscation!

      This measure will be especially effective after the execution.
  12. +4
    7 October 2013 09: 31
    It is necessary to change, for bureaucrats, investigative measures. Not the UK should seek evidence of guilt bureaucrats, and the bureaucrats themselves must provide evidence of their innocence. Let them provide checks for the purchase of everything and a declaration of income. Then they explain why there is no connection in this and where the budget money disappeared. And the UK will check all their answers to the questions posed. Here the real work will be for the lawyers of the suspects. And then, they are only trying to look for doubts about the evidence base or to turn arrows on witnesses, like; -he (the witness) himself is not sinless, he drinks vodka, his brother (sister) has a criminal record, etc.
    1. +1
      7 October 2013 10: 26
      Let them provide receipts for the purchase of everything and a declaration of income.
      Under such conditions, no one will ever be able to take for ... (everyone can substitute the necessary word) these "comrades". It is incredibly easy to make a sales receipt for a diamond necklace with the price of plastic jewelry ... And the seller will not have to pay VAT ... And who will sue the seller that he was trading at a loss?
      PS Serdyukov and only he (and not "Oboronservis" or Vasilyeva, or someone else) is for me (and I think for most of those following this investigation) that litmus test that will show the legitimacy of the current government, its attitude to the opinion of the people. And based on this, I will make a decision in the next elections. Serdyukov will leave from answering - there will be no more acting power of my vote. Under no circumstances!
  13. +9
    7 October 2013 09: 35
    when this reptile is planted, I’ll drink a stack of joy!
    1. +5
      7 October 2013 09: 47
      Toast: "For a miracle!" drinks
    2. +7
      7 October 2013 10: 35
      Quote: awg75
      when this reptile is planted, I’ll drink a stack of joy!

      I understand you are not a drinker laughing
    3. +5
      7 October 2013 10: 40
      Quote: awg75
      when this reptile is planted, I’ll drink a stack of joy!

      instead of imprisoned, I’ll get drunk with grief fellow
      1. +2
        7 October 2013 17: 33
        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
        and not put


        ONLY SO REFINE!
  14. Peaceful military
    +6
    7 October 2013 09: 37
    It is obvious that all these "defense service" torments have long been able to step beyond the framework of a regular criminal case. This is, in fact, about the prestige of the country, about the ability of the authorities to effectively manage the state, about the ability to build a common legal field for all (and not just for the elect). Therefore, it depends on the end result of this extensive business that there is no need to conceal, and the level of people's confidence in the Russian authorities.

    I completely agree with the author.
    BUT!
    For some reason, the feeling does not leave me that if all this has not yet become a farce, it will become.sad
  15. +3
    7 October 2013 09: 39
    Yes, everything is nonsense. Serdyukov is purely otmazan. He is Zubkov's son-in-law, and Zubkov drives Gazprom. And this is bad, because it shows that the enforcement of legality is not up to the mark.
    Serdyukov will never sit down.
    1. +5
      7 October 2013 10: 36
      Quote: mirag2
      . He's son-in-law Zubkov-

      Former
      1. +1
        7 October 2013 10: 41
        Former? Well then maybe it will sit down ...
        1. +1
          7 October 2013 11: 04
          Quote: mirag2
          Former? Well then maybe it will sit down ...

          C'mon ... To the extremes of another father-in-law will find, well, maybe my mother-in-law ... And it's never too late to get married. With such a fuck ... laughing
      2. +2
        7 October 2013 13: 18
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: mirag2
        . He's son-in-law Zubkov-

        Former

        So for treason his wife was rash and removed from office. And embezzlement,
        the collapse of the army is just the cost of violent "reform" activities
        Serdyukov (with whom it does not happen, well, do not judge for this?) :))
        1. +5
          7 October 2013 17: 52
          Did not expect reactions and consequences!

          Quote: falcon
          (with whom it does not happen, well, do not judge the same for this?) :))

          WE HAVE EVERYTHING AGAIN!
          1. +2
            7 October 2013 19: 37
            Hello, Alexander!

            Thank you for the picture and the text on it. good
            But the idea itself is good and simple, truly folk art is inexhaustible.
  16. SolomonSS
    +8
    7 October 2013 09: 40
    Why are we surprised, Serdyukov and Co., do you think they worked without patrons? And as our "dear" Medvedev spoke about the effectiveness of the work of citizen Serdyukov, he probably effectively replenished Dmitry's accounts in Swiss banks, and not only if he passes as a witness, and the rest of the company is fenced off as they can. Even if real terms are given, they will simply be taken abroad and they will live there, and be listed in the colony. "This is Russia, we need to relax" - as everywhere in VK it is full of ...
  17. dmb
    +9
    7 October 2013 09: 43
    No, all the same, some of our fellow citizens are charming in their naivety. Tell me, who of those involved, including Serdyukov, the notorious "liberal"? They are all strong statesmen. Of course, in the sense of these words, which is characteristic of today's "strong statesmen" who appointed them to positions. Who will explain to me. what is the significance of the Olympics, to prosecution of Puzikov and Serdyukov? Or is the Chief "strong statesman" afraid that they will testify that undermines his bright image?
  18. Valery Neonov
    +3
    7 October 2013 09: 47
    hi And they will give "senjurite for the aggregate of 9 years, but CONDITIONALLY ... no matter what.
  19. +14
    7 October 2013 09: 47
    I understand why the nomenklatura, both the then and the present, so hate Comrade Stalin, because the nomenclature is apolitical, it only seeks to seize power, as it happened after the Civil War, when they dealt with all internal enemies, drove the White Guards to Galipoli, and decided that now they will heal like kings, but the fact that the richest country in resources is bent over from hunger, they do not care, the cars themselves are state-owned, overseas costumes, food is different, here you have everything for life, a small paradise in the midst of desolation and devastation, and then someone comes and makes WORK! HORROR! Go to this dirty, evil and alien people and build communism? But after all, they already built it for themselves! And then at 37 from a warm soft armchair into a damp basement! They all perfectly understood why they sat down, and therefore confessions flowed of them like a river, only have time to write down. In 91, the nomenclature threw away party cards, "reforged" but the essence remained the same, Serdyukov is the canonical embodiment of this very nomenclature, a person by accident ness who got to the top through friendly or family ties, without a "roof" he is insignificant and understands this perfectly and tries as long as there is an opportunity, so to speak, to grab to the maximum, all this is as old as the world and Putin is a product of the same nomenclature and its obedient slave, who has also already grabbed Enough. And he will not give up his accomplice Serdyukov, for that means letting himself go.
    1. Cpa
      0
      7 October 2013 13: 17
      That's right, just not "reforged", but changed shoes. laughing
  20. pahom54
    +9
    7 October 2013 09: 48
    Quote: ... "... It is obvious that all these 'defense service' torments have long gone beyond the usual criminal case. This is a case, in fact, about the prestige of the country, about the ability of the authorities to effectively manage the state, about the ability to build a single all (and not just for the elite) legal field ... "...
    I would like to add that 3 (or 6) billion rubles is only that which lay on top and is proved by the investigators, i.e. I have no doubt that the amount of theft is many, tens and hundreds of times higher.
    It is also very strange that Mr. Stool doesn’t even pass as a witness, it turns out that he is already channeling as a victim ???
    I would like to know if I or my subordinates in the old days stole a sum hundreds of times smaller than these ogloedy stole, what would happen to us ??? CORRECTLY, SHOT !!! Indeed, in Soviet times, if you stole more than 10 rubles, it was already a firing squad. Well, if my subordinates had stolen, no one would have believed that I, as a boss, didn’t know anything, and I would have gone just not under a firing squad, but for 000-8 years this is for sure - for negligence, etc.
    There are a great many such thefts in Russia, but this case with Oboronservis and the Minister of Defense as a litmus test shows all the putrefaction of our rulers. Putin doesn’t even understand that by letting this thing go on the brakes, he will lose respect in the eyes of many people.
    Or maybe it is respect - he doesn’t need to ???
    1. +7
      7 October 2013 10: 07
      They will only be planted when they stole too little or stole and did not share. Serdyukov and his gang acted not in a vacuum and not for one year ... Were you afraid to scare? And regarding the presence of conscience in such characters, one cannot lose something that has never happened ....
    2. stroporez
      +1
      7 October 2013 10: 15
      for me, like any Russian, of course, it's nice to watch when the "imported" lining in the manure of vanities ....... but in Russia exactly what
      Quote: pahom54
      this respect - he does not need tries ???
    3. 0
      9 October 2013 17: 03
      Quote: pahom54
      Putin doesn’t even understand that by letting this thing go on the brakes, he will lose respect in the eyes of many people.


      But does he need it, our respect? He would not be sick without him. After all, respect means distance!
  21. +2
    7 October 2013 09: 56
    Putin doesn’t even understand that by letting this thing go on the brakes, he will lose respect in the eyes of many people.
    Or maybe it is respect - he doesn’t need to ???

    Understands ... how else. He’s just a hostage himself.
  22. +6
    7 October 2013 09: 59
    Two sour friends - (Medvedev and Serdyukov or vice versa). One ruined the whole army and crucified it, the other covered it up and put it in a pocket. Hand washes a hand.
    It is just that this matter needs to be given great publicity so that the people would know and see how the authorities can solve this problem. Really sort it out or lower it again on the brakes.
    1. +5
      7 October 2013 10: 37
      Quote: major071
      Two sour friends - (Medvedev and Serdyukov or vice versa). One ruined the whole army and crucified it, another covered it

      What, but what did Medvedev put Serdyukov in the post of Defense Ministry?
  23. SolomonSS
    +19
    7 October 2013 10: 03
    Here is such a reaction now, to people in Russia.
    1. +6
      7 October 2013 10: 13
      laughed. I imagined that they were reading us and were talking about us in the subject))
      1. Valery Neonov
        0
        8 October 2013 03: 20
        They do not "get lost", they do not pay attention .... they have their own:
  24. +2
    7 October 2013 10: 06
    It seems to me that they will not slow down. Dates will be different, softer. And if it is a brake, then all of Putin’s policies and efforts to increase the consciousness of citizens will go to waste.
  25. v.lyamkin
    +3
    7 October 2013 10: 06
    Vasilieva’s lawyer is right: well, what is it, except that she did it, these are jurisdictional acts? Now, if she had stolen a bag of potatoes, then yes, she would have been planted.
    And if that was the little things, then this is the little things. After all, even the group is not traceable. She did everything herself: both her signatures and Serdyukov, transferred the objects to herself and then she herself sold them at market prices. Where is the group? But no!
  26. +7
    7 October 2013 10: 12
    If the case is closed, she will sue for moral damages. It will earn a little more, a couple of IC employees will be expelled without a pension, hello sweet capitalism.
  27. +1
    7 October 2013 10: 12
    But I’m very interested in the verdict of the court, I hope it will still be.
    And then everything will be clear: who, how much, and to whom.
    Wait.
    1. +7
      7 October 2013 10: 40
      Quote: aszzz888
      But I’m very interested in the verdict of the court, I hope it will still be.
      On behalf of the Russian Federation ............ the court sentenced ....
      Serdyukov and Vasilva to lifelong state security and pay them at a time 100 million each, for illegal prosecution by the investigation hi
  28. vitek1233
    0
    7 October 2013 10: 14
    This is the mafia, and who they don (M or P) is not clear bully
    1. +3
      7 October 2013 10: 54
      Quote: vitek1233
      This is the mafia, and who they don (M or P) is not clear

      Who is "prez ..." is also "... don".
    2. +1
      7 October 2013 10: 57
      It does not matter who exactly, for FAMILY.
  29. +2
    7 October 2013 10: 15
    and Serdyukov is not a blunder, Vasiliev is nothing to him. soft!
  30. +1
    7 October 2013 10: 16
    Quote: mirag2
    A confiscation incidentally, Putin canceled ...
    What do you say about this?

    I expressed my opinion about an effective measure, and the abolition of certain measures is the topic of another article.
  31. +2
    7 October 2013 10: 17
    Quote: Ded_smerch
    I suggest on the site to get a black raster book)))

    the main thing is not the form. The main thing is attention to all of them. And you can start small with an assessment of the activities of ALL THEM, at least to start on this site. And there, look! ..
  32. +7
    7 October 2013 10: 18
    I hope that, if the law is observed, all the charges against Vasilyeva will be dropped due to the absence of corpus delicti in her actions. We believe that the case will not even go to court.
    This is how tired of these "empty twitching of the bolt." So many servicemen would be happy to build a wall of high-quality bricks, on which a plaque would later adorn with the text "For all the pain of the RF Armed Forces. Thieves were shot here."
    And what can we say about our top? "Am I to blame"? This means falling below the plinth. The usual "friendly" exchange "you tell me, I tell you".
    - Tolya, "send" Khodorkovsky to me "for mittens", and I will give the Ministry of Defense the Ministry of Defense for merits after the Federal Tax Service ... Narulil, b .. We still cannot leave.
    Yes, any governor of a civilized country would have resigned for such matters (in a banana state, they would probably have eaten that).
    1. fedorovith
      0
      8 October 2013 10: 49
      The fact is that the real rulers of the country are not highlighted, although they appear on the screens, and so many guess.
  33. +4
    7 October 2013 10: 20
    Duc already, and Vasilyeva's paintings turned out to be fakes ... Another year or two they will suffer and become "Heroes of Russia" ...
    1. +3
      7 October 2013 12: 34
      Cinderella, spruces, after 24-00. Soon brulik with gold in the case will go like gypsy jewelry, the hut will turn out to be shared, and if the walls are torn down, then it will be odnushka. not solid for such a lady? but the center. Next on the list
  34. +6
    7 October 2013 10: 21
    Wait a minute! ... A betrayal of the homeland in the form of serious damage to its defenses ?!
    1. 0
      9 October 2013 02: 16
      Quote: Betahon
      Wait a minute! ... A betrayal of the homeland in the form of serious damage to its defenses ?!

      Which homeland. That's the question. After all, the children and grandchildren of the GDP, Lavrov, Yakunin are no longer here. So according to their concepts, they did not change their homeland.
  35. +2
    7 October 2013 10: 24
    Quote: Betahon
    Wait a minute! ... A betrayal of the homeland in the form of serious damage to its defenses ?!

    the question is what is their homeland, to which they caused damage. Google on YouTube a video of a discussion of the Rockefeller fight with the Rothschilds for influence on the Kremlin ... It will be very sad ...
  36. faint27
    +5
    7 October 2013 10: 24
    Landing will not be! Serdyukov is an effective manager, but he doesn’t give up his GDP!
    just disgusting all this ...
    1. Crocodile
      +5
      7 October 2013 11: 23
      The man who handed over "Kursk" and drowned Krymsk does not hand over HIS OWN!
      And for the people of our government for a long time ... nat!
  37. tolyyn19
    +5
    7 October 2013 10: 30
    Quote: Betahon
    Wait a minute! ... A betrayal of the homeland in the form of serious damage to its defenses ?!

    Which homeland? They did not change theirs, but on ours they .....
    1. 0
      7 October 2013 10: 59
      Where not to throw - everywhere a wedge. Byad - chagrin ..
  38. aepocmam
    +3
    7 October 2013 10: 36
    For me, so do not let her plant. Vasilyeva’s landing is not as scary as total confiscation. And to sit for 5-6 years at the rate of $ 1 million per month. But who would not agree for such money. But then live for your own pleasure and do not deny yourself anything. So what am I for TOTAL CONFISCATION. And whether she will sit or not, it does not matter.
  39. aepocmam
    0
    7 October 2013 10: 36
    For me, so do not let her plant. Vasilyeva’s landing is not as scary as total confiscation. And to sit for 5-6 years at the rate of $ 1 million per month. But who would not agree for such money. But then live for your own pleasure and do not deny yourself anything. So what am I for TOTAL CONFISCATION. And whether she will sit or not, it does not matter.
  40. +4
    7 October 2013 10: 39
    "We are not 37 years old" I hope we will have 37 years after the Olympics, otherwise the country is already suffocating from liberals, bribe-takers and other evil spirits. Play and that's enough!


    The country has come to the brink of patience ...
  41. +2
    7 October 2013 10: 41
    Why wasn’t I surprised No.
    We will soon hear that they were the victims of unknown scammers.
    1. Crocodile
      0
      7 October 2013 11: 19
      It seems after a verdict of not guilty, the stools will bring a counterclaim to the state for moral damage and lost economic profits - so that dear taxpayers will have to atone for us with the ruble against us!
  42. patriot2
    +6
    7 October 2013 10: 42
    I'm talking about CONSCIENCE again, neither Vasilyeva, Smetanova + accomplices, nor the "furniture maker" have it. Those who have allowed theft on such a scale do not have it, and never will. Their homeland is not Russia, they are devoted only to the golden calf, "dough", "bruliks" and always have the opportunity to dump where they will live happily ever after, laughing at the Russians and the country where they STEALED it! Thieves have no conscience, never did and never will!
  43. +5
    7 October 2013 10: 45
    And here is conscience? The regime does not give up. He keeps on that. Otherwise, everything will float with them.
  44. +5
    7 October 2013 10: 58
    If you think thanks to whom winked the very fact of the robbery of the people by such figures as Serdyukov with his sour cream-Vasilyevs ... became possible, then the question is automatically removed and the question that one of them will "sit" in conditions worse than a 13-room "cell" with boutiques, service Mercedes and housekeepers.
  45. fklj
    +2
    7 October 2013 11: 00
    If they are found guilty, (if), then they will immediately be released under an amnesty. Thief in the Russian Federation - an inviolable person!
  46. +4
    7 October 2013 11: 04
    All embezzlement took place over the years in the open, in the eyes of the military prosecutor's office. First of all, the prosecutors themselves should have been dismissed and convicted, with the tacit consent of which they plundered the Army. It is necessary to follow Serdyukov’s gang to these corruption cases to check their activities in the tax authorities of St. Petersburg, where they went through a school for the distribution and blackmail of entrepreneurs. I think that they grabbed there and not a few. And the Chief Military Prosecutor simply does not have a place in this system. I will never believe that he could not know and give a legal assessment of the actions of his subordinates on the facts of global thefts in the RF Armed Forces by a group (gang) of Serdyukov. Maybe double standards are enough! What our guarantor of the constitution is looking at!
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  48. +5
    7 October 2013 11: 10
    Serdyukov, he himself is a pawn, I don’t think that he himself did all this. And they’ll put them on the account - they won’t put it, they’ve already passed; Accident at the Sayano-Shushinskaya hydroelectric station. There are only 80 corpses, and direct losses of 45 billion.
    And who was jailed for this? And how much longer will the investigation go?
    They’ll probably do the same here. They will kill for about 5 years and there it will be forgotten.
    And if they get to Serdyukov so that they don’t talk about the owners, they will find him with a shot head and a note that he pulled the trigger.
    1. 0
      7 October 2013 12: 42
      Quote: akv0571
      And if they get to Serdyukov so that they don’t talk about the owners, they will find him with a shot head and a note that he pulled the trigger.

      and next to them - those who "got" ... for prevention ... so that the rest are not too zealous ...
  49. +1
    7 October 2013 11: 11
    Condemned. They will give 3-4 years. A year has already "served", the rest will comfortably spend on what thread the state dacha.
    1. +4
      7 October 2013 11: 20
      quote- Here's how! The lawyer does not bother either the fact that in his apartment at that time his operatives discovered 57 thousand (!) Precious stones with a total mass (together with precious metals) of 19 kilograms, nor that for earning the amount of funds needed to purchase 19 kg of diamonds , rubies, emeralds, gold and platinum, a whole set of expensive watches, Evgenia Vasilyeva had to work tirelessly, work at least three of her lives ...



      Well, finally, they brought the case to court, the gentlemen of the jury started to break the ice, otherwise everything is around, there will be a trial and .......will justify her, if she sits in a compartment with Serdyukov, and since he is only a witness in the case, what to take with Vasilyeva. Serdyukov is busy, another is busy for Serdyukov, a third is busy for another, and so on, everything is seized and connected.
  50. Crocodile
    +2
    7 October 2013 11: 13
    Quote: Lantau
    Are these people really lost conscience?

    What conscience can we talk about!
    These non-humans seem to have been born without this "atavism", they only understand strength - but at the moment in our country there are no people capable of holding them accountable!
  51. +1
    7 October 2013 11: 25
    A litmus test for the Kremlin - either they really work, or they really don’t. After this, you can drain the water and dry the crackers. The law does not apply on the territory of the Russian Federation!
    1. +1
      7 October 2013 12: 25
      Quote: erased
      Litmus test for the Kremlin

      the Kremlin is neutral to litmus... only phenolphthalein (that is, "everyone's favorite" - purgen)... laughing
  52. +1
    7 October 2013 11: 26
    The lawyer is not embarrassed by the fact that in his client’s apartment, operatives at one time discovered 57 thousand (!) precious stones with a total weight (including precious metals) of as much as 19 kilograms

    no, it doesn't bother me... No.
    It is unlikely that it will be possible to dig under all these kilograms, as well as under the apartments themselves... (something dad bought, some he was a swindler, some he got from “secret admirers”... wink )...it’s not for nothing that the investigation dragged on for almost a year...
    there was, of course, one piquant nuance... the dubious origin of the "still lifes" discovered at madame's house... on a wave of enthusiasm, the investigation even stated that they seemed to have been communized from certain state funds and storage facilities... but the enthusiasm quickly disappeared, and Along with it, the theme of these “still lifes” withered away... probably for good reason... fraud, etc., imputed to the madam, will be oh so difficult to prove... it’s not for nothing that all this “legal field” was created... But what about the obvious?... How to explain the origin of the paintings?...
    The "joint" was corrected by the investigation... a "note" appeared on the ICR website, in which, in addition to the list of charges and kilograms of jewelry, as if by chance, it was reported that, according to the results of the examination, ALL (!) "watercolors" in Madame's apartment turned out to be nothing more , like COPIES (!)... like, colored postcards in frames... well, but “no body - no business”... wink
  53. clip07
    +1
    7 October 2013 11: 42
    ...Storm! A storm will break out soon!... (Song about the petrel (M. Gorky))
    1. +1
      7 October 2013 12: 21
      Quote: klip07
      ...Storm! A storm is coming soon!...

      ... in glass laughing
  54. +5
    7 October 2013 11: 44
    Stole it in YAP:

    Once upon a time there was a dunce,
    He did not grab the stars from heaven.
    But at least he looked great!
    It's not a problem.
    According to intelligence information, he
    I made stools before
    And now his people
    He's calling me Taburetkin.
    Taburetkin was tall,
    Slightly weak at the front.
    Charming, broad-shouldered,
    Well, he's unclean.
    But I achieved a lot
    Married quite profitably,
    And don't be a fool
    He became a son-in-law for a nobleman,
    And approached the crown
    Yes to national defense.
    1. +3
      7 October 2013 11: 45
      The king himself noticed him,
      Noted for diligence,
      And quite quickly
      Made him a minister at court.

      Taburetkin became important,
      I understood: his time has come!
      And, without going into details,
      He began to row everything for himself.

      He decided to start a reform -
      Change the soldiers' uniforms.
      True, he was a civilian himself
      And he didn’t wear shoulder straps.

      Here the soldiers are dressed
      In newfangled berets.
      Well, generals too -
      They look like Yudashkin.
      But they forgot, so to speak,
      How to fight in that uniform...

      Well, hell, tea, with it, with the war!
      Taburetkin is a guy!
      He was the best at sex
      But married, as if it were a sin.
      1. +4
        7 October 2013 11: 46
        Trali-vali, figli-migli,
        The women themselves were just sticking!
        Thank you and eat
        They gave their honor.

        But one day he got caught
        I ran into a blonde.
        She didn't bother with food
        Give yourself to him.

        If you don't have talent,
        Give the blonde some diamonds
        And then she's with you
        It will pay off with interest.

        It's just between us
        Taburetkin became bags
        Diamonds for her to carry
        And at night I knead my tits.

        The crown is in danger!
        The defense has become dilapidated:
        Ships are sinking in the sea,
        All budgets are broke
        Airplanes and rockets
        They don't fly anywhere anymore
        And the soldiers want to eat,
        Yes, they swear at the minister.
        1. +10
          7 October 2013 11: 47
          Taburetkin between affairs
          Completely insolent.
          He loved women immensely
          Even though he was known as an exemplary father.
          From his mistresses he created
          A whole women's battalion!
          Distributed to everyone by position
          And I didn’t make a mistake in anything.
          In general, on the love front
          Taburetkin was a daredevil.

          The days are passing and here is the king
          Suddenly I decided to check out the role
          Ministry of Defense
          Safe in the crown.
          How are your reforms going?
          Is everyone happy with the new uniform? –
          Taburetkina asked
          And I got a little sad.

          - Everything is going according to plan,
          And a lot of pure waste.
          Officers are at the apartments,
          All the soldiers are in the toilets.
          Almost no one froze
          The new uniform is warm.
          There are countless inflatable tanks,
          And there are rockets too.
          So that our enemy immediately surrenders,
          I tried my best
          And prepared the spies
          Among those who were fired.
          And we also have a reserve
          There are some excellent bitches.
          I personally train them
          Although, of course, I'm taking a risk
          Your reputation.

          - Take care of people
          And don't waste your money on whores! –
          Suddenly the king muttered.
          It was obvious that he was tired.
          - All insinuations
          With your reputation -
          These are the machinations of enemies.
          What can you do, this is the age!

          Taburetkin is very happy:
          It rained down from the awards.
          He lives - does not waste,
          I often steam in the bathhouse.
          And at your own risk and fear,
          Like in a harem of padishas,
          frolicking in the office
          And strives to inseminate
          An entire women's battalion.
          He was strong like a hog.

          He gave up on orders,
          But he bought diamonds
          For the harem and whores,
          To make the service more fun.

          How did the fun end?
          Everyone knows what a hangover is like
          Your head must hurt
          If you have a head.

          The fool has been exposed
          Deprived of an important position
          But in reality it's so subtle
          Royal Gut...
          After all, to imprison a dunce -
          It means to condemn
          Himself for sin.
          But our king is not one of those.

          Taburetkin is free.
          And he didn’t seem to shoot himself.
          He escaped the bars
          And he didn’t give a shit about the Army.

          http://www.yaplakal.com/forum3/topic661072.html
  55. +8
    7 October 2013 11: 51
    Conversation between the country's leadership and citizens. (people) We like the USSR, we are proud of Stalin and the achievements of the people during his reign, we are against corruption and want everything to be taken away from millionaire thieves (with confiscation) and there to be PLANTINGS OF THE Celestials.
    Answer (leaders) Why are you on tour, you've got your balls completely mixed up, what the hell, we're telling you, we'll pass laws that you won't even gather at home for more than 2 people. Well, etc.
  56. xmike
    +3
    7 October 2013 11: 57
    In China they would have shot this whole gang, but here they would also be acquitted. The conclusion suggests itself: the government is completely rotten!
  57. +1
    7 October 2013 12: 02
    57 thousand (!) gemstones discovered

    What a fool you have to be to keep all this at home!
    1. +3
      7 October 2013 12: 09
      Quote: retired
      What a fool you have to be to keep all this at home!

      well, why immediately be a fool?... perhaps this once again indicates that all the stones have been thoroughly washed... shouldn’t they be put in the cellar at the dacha?...
    2. +4
      7 October 2013 12: 16
      Quote: retired
      57 thousand (!) gemstones discovered

      What a fool you have to be to keep all this at home!

      This is only a small fraction of what was stolen, so that I could put on what I had.
      And he speaks about the scale: INTERFAX.RU - Law enforcement agencies arrested the foreign accounts of the main defendant in the Oboronservis case, the former head of the property relations department of the Ministry of Defense Evgenia Vasilyeva. According to the source, we are talking about millions of US dollars.

      See the original material at http://www.interfax.ru/russia/txt.asp?id=321603.
    3. +3
      7 October 2013 12: 27
      Quote: retired
      What a fool you have to be to keep all this at home!


      far from being a fool... She only kept small things at home...
  58. ed65b
    +3
    7 October 2013 12: 04
    This is actually not Vasilyeva, but the tolerant Duncan McLouth.
  59. +4
    7 October 2013 12: 07
    Every publication on OBORONSERVICE arouses keen interest. And it’s clear why. The case is a litmus test for the nastiness of power. Moreover, we have no doubt how it will all end...
  60. Hug
    0
    7 October 2013 12: 58
    Quote: AVV
    If our government does not imprison these ghouls, then it will lose confidence in itself.... If they are released, it will be tantamount to spitting in the face of the people!!! Draw your conclusions, gentlemen!!!


    Don't even doubt it! And the people will only ask: “Bring your own rope?”
  61. Admiral 013
    0
    7 October 2013 12: 59
    They will imprison you or they will imprison you, what difference does it make? The laundered money flowed into the pocket of whoever needed it. This is fucking outrageous! We had fun during Medvedev’s reign, but now it turns out there’s no reason to jail them. And you can’t ask anyone for the damage caused to the defense industry. This is how the “crustaceans” of the Moscow Region escaped responsibility.
  62. +1
    7 October 2013 13: 16
    Serdyukov was the chief tax officer - suddenly he became mo.
    Golikova was the Minister of Health - now she commands the Accounts Chamber.
    Surkov - well, you know.
    the list goes on.

    Putin is shuffling a deck of marked cards, but what's the point?
    1. Yarosvet
      +2
      7 October 2013 17: 24
      Quote: pl675
      Putin is shuffling a deck of marked cards, but what's the point?
  63. +3
    7 October 2013 13: 19
    The entire government, together with deputies of all levels, has rotted through and the rot needs to be eliminated before it kills everything. For this, all means are suitable and it is a matter of survival.
  64. +1
    7 October 2013 13: 20
    If they are not imprisoned for 20-25 years, then it seems to me that in the next elections, my generation of 86-90 will never vote for Putin or anyone loyal to him, in general, the government, the country, the state will lose any support and loyalty of the population (at least this age group, and in 10-20 years we will be the majority). This is the case when with one blow you can destroy the bulk of corruption in our state. Of course, this is from the realm of fantasy, but if these two and their “riffraff” are shot (hanged, electrocuted, dissolved in acid or alkali) and all the property of their children and parents is confiscated, their family (a family of 10 generations) is denigrated, then everything our officials who steal, represent the interests of other countries, or harm the country (consciously) will understand that you can’t take money with you “there” and you can’t pay off the worms in the ground. And their entire clan will despise the pest-embezzler who did not stop in time and denigrated his entire clan. In general, if there is a person (hero) who, despite their security (Serdyukov and Vasilyeva), can kill these ghouls and murderers (shoot them, pour acid on them), then it seems to me that the whole country will “throw in money” for the monument (during their lifetime), in fact this hero will be from the category of Minin and Pozharsky. If you believe sociological polls, because of this “case” and the statement “we are not in 37,” Putin has already lost 15-20% of popular support (if this is important, of course), in 2008 there was a rating peak of 80-88% in the wake of the fight against corruption, and now 32%, which is not surprising, what kind of fight against corruption can we talk about when the main thief of the country goes to expensive boutiques and lives in a 12-room mansion under house arrest, although she has long had to sew uniforms for soldiers and police officers in the zone, receive 20 rubles a day or feed the worms.
  65. +2
    7 October 2013 13: 26
    If they are not imprisoned for 20-25 years, then it seems to me that in the next elections my generation of 86-90 will never vote for Putin


    Well, what are you...They voted for Yeltsin in 1996 after the bloody battles in Grozny...The belief in the indispensability of individuals among the people, apparently, cannot be eradicated.
    1. 0
      7 October 2013 14: 04
      As I explained, “we” were 8-12 years old then. And a much older generation destroyed the USSR, namely Muscovites and St. Petersburg residents who did not come out to kill the “hunchbacked” and “drunkard” (I’m exaggerating) and voted for Yeltsin in 1996 after the bloody battles in Grozny. As I remember now, they show alcohol-drug jokers on TV around the clock and say for the fragile minds of children that a Russian is an alcoholic fool, or even better a drug addict, if something doesn’t work out, drink 0.5 vodka, and if then it doesn’t work out, then it’s not necessary (peculiarities of national hunting, bathhouses, fishing etc.) so our grandfathers and fathers left us a country that, God willing, we can sort this mess out for our grandchildren at least a little bit, by the year 2040. If the Chichis don’t come from Grozny and don’t cut off our heads (I’m exaggerating again), because our fathers weren’t allowed to finish off these maniacs and child killers.
  66. 0
    7 October 2013 13: 27
    Quote: ed65b
    This is actually not Vasilyeva, but the tolerant Duncan McLouth.

    Yes, it was Duncan McCloud, but the witness protection system was activated. And for reliability, everything was changed. And now the issue of applying this measure is being decided again.
    The chain turned out to be noble:
    Someone like Lambert - someone like Vasilyeva - someone like Adrian Paul. Wait, soon the real Adrian Paul will be afraid of his shadow.
  67. +6
    7 October 2013 13: 29
    1. The fish rots from the head.
    2. What is the pop is the arrival.
    3. No matter how much you make fools of people, no matter how much you blaspheme, he will still come to the polls and vote for United Russia.
    It is in situations such as those in the Ministry of Defense that one can determine what kind of power there is. Strong-willed, strong, durable, or............... There is a good article called “For Treason to the Motherland.” A very good instrument, which at one time brought order to the country. In general, this story is a kind of strength test, a litmus test, a criterion.
    1. 0
      7 October 2013 17: 05
      No matter how much you make fools of people, no matter how much you blaspheme, he will still come to the polls and vote for United Russia.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cF_lWEoyN8&feature=player_detailpage Вот здесь эмоционально, но верно.
    2. +1
      9 October 2013 02: 06
      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      1. The fish rots from the head.
      2. What is the pop is the arrival.
      3. No matter how much you make fools of people, no matter how much you blaspheme, he will still come to the polls and vote for United Russia.
      It is in situations such as those in the Ministry of Defense that one can determine what kind of power there is. Strong-willed, strong, durable, or............... There is a good article called “For Treason to the Motherland.” A very good instrument, which at one time brought order to the country. In general, this story is a kind of strength test, a litmus test, a criterion.

      Unfortunately, there were already many similar tests and GDP happily failed all of them.
  68. +2
    7 October 2013 13: 29
    Most likely, Vasilyeva will go to prison in a year or two, and by the 2018 elections Serdyukov will be closed, so the rating is the aces up your sleeve, so to speak. And the one who becomes a successor or gets the victory himself. The people are happy, the thieves are in prison.
  69. +3
    7 October 2013 13: 35
    They will imprison you, they will not imprison you... Damn Chamomile.
    There is only one question: what does GDP want to get out of this situation? I see two options, the first is emotional, the second is pragmatic.
    In accordance with the first, all this kodla sits on bunks and after a couple (three, five) years, unnoticed by the general public, they emerge as wealthy people, quietly and peacefully go abroad, and wait for a pension. Pros: the whole country rejoices at justice, the rating of the head of state is growing. Disadvantages - stolen money remains at the disposal of the thieves.
    The second option is to use unconstitutional and even unethical methods, including interrogation to the nth degree, to find out from the defendants where the loot is and, in exchange for life and freedom from criminal prosecution, to persuade them to return the loot. Pros - the money is returned, not all, but at least some. Disadvantages - thieves do not go to prison, the head of state is blamed and accused of corruption, nepotism, etc. Actually, you can survive it.
    There is a third option - unlimited. Specific performers - on the rack, under truth serum, etc. Having learned from them the subtleties in detail, eliminate them, then come to the organizers and offer them a choice of two pills: one causes a stroke, the second - a heart attack. Take either before trial or after.
    If I were GDP, I would choose the third option, which is why I am not in his place.
    What will GDP choose?
    The fourth option - everyone is free and with their own people - should not be offered, that is not why all this crap was inspired by the president.
    1. 0
      9 October 2013 02: 02
      The fourth option - everyone is free and with their own people - should not be offered, that’s not why the president inspired all this crap.[/quote]
      An eccentric man. Everyone has already told us that Serdyukov is not accused and is involved in the case as a witness.
      Your Fourth Option was recently tested by prosecutors and the people swallowed nothing.
      What other options could there be besides the Fourth you voiced?
  70. +6
    7 October 2013 13: 47
    Good day to all!

    Thanks to the author of the article! I was pleased with the feedback from forum members, but what will happen at the end of this whole farce?

    - Removal of all charges, but the innocent victims will “demand compensation” for the moral damage caused by harsh investigators in multi-million sums!

    And the saddest thing is that the state of Russia, they in 2014 all DAMAGE will be compensated...
  71. +2
    7 October 2013 14: 07
    Quote: mirag2
    I also really hope that we will have "37". But it will not come, neither after the Olympics, nor after 2018, nor after 2023, never. The same way Serdyukov will not sit down, neither yesterday, nor tomorrow, nor the day after tomorrow.

    Most likely it won't fit. But a heart attack, car accident, or some other accident can very well happen.
    Yes, with such successes and reforms, we do not yet have any normal roads, hospitals, or military equipment in the required quantity. Because the big bosses don’t want to see anything beyond their own pockets. Large-scale theft has become a fashionable competition.
  72. 0
    7 October 2013 14: 30
    Serdyukov! Serdyukov! Serdyukov! Serdyukov! - to the answer
  73. +5
    7 October 2013 14: 58
    If the investigation is not completed by October 24, she will be released at the end of November. In addition, in a month, the first person arrested in the case of theft of property from the Ministry of Defense, businessman Maxim Zakutailo, will be released.> (Dni.Ru)
    It would be possible to end without any “ifs”, in an affirmative form. I personally had no doubt that the Oboronservis matter would end like this. The progress of the investigation of crimes committed by Serdyukov and Co. should be included in law textbooks. This is a clear example of how the top of the government, headed by its helmsman, covers up criminals, indicating to the investigative authorities how the case “should” be conducted. Even in their wildest dreams, Soviet prosecutors would never have dreamed that the person who stole billions from the state was not even taken into custody during the investigation, and then “got out of the way” altogether.
    Vasilyeva’s case can be considered completed. It’s just that the investigation still has to comply with some formalities for order. If Vasilyeva is convicted, the punishment will be simply ridiculous. Khodorkovsky, “Bolotnaya” activists, Tolokonnikova and “Greenpeace” members can nervously smoke on the sidelines.
    And the moral of the “fairy tale” is this: if you are a loyal Putinoid lackey, you can safely steal millions or billions from the state (people’s) treasury, nothing will happen to you. The leader will have your back. For people like you in our country, “it’s not ’37.”
    1. +1
      7 October 2013 16: 14
      The Khodorkovsky murderer has blood on him, he killed people (ordered them). They don’t even notice CO2 and other pollutants (not China or Russia). “Swamp” - are you talking about the “swamp jock” Luzyanin?! So for me, any “DEMON” who unreasonably attacks the police (who, by the way, die “in batches” protecting you and me from Chicha maniacs, which by the way is actually Putin’s fault for not allowing these rapists and child killers to be finished off) should be shot (as in America). Tolokonnikova - well, if you are, of course, a fan of extreme sex, then yes (about the museum where she had a threesome while pregnant), but in reality (even though I am an atheist) she and her “prikentovka” in the temple specifically sought what they achieved. Well, I agree with you about Vasilyeva and Serdyukov, and if she and “Taburetkin” are released, then millions of our compatriots will be in solidarity with you. God willing (any one of your choice) this won’t happen, otherwise who to believe in the truth?!
  74. +1
    7 October 2013 15: 09
    By the way
    I hope that Shoigu will be able and have time to fix everything!
  75. +4
    7 October 2013 15: 23
    <<<It is obvious that all these “defense service” torments have long since gone beyond the scope of an ordinary criminal case. And therefore, to be honest, the level of people’s trust in the Russian authorities depends on the final result of this vast undertaking. >>>
    It seems that in this criminal “Santa Barbara” the people have long understood everything, as well as the fact that not only “the Russian court often shows increased humanity towards the embezzlers of billions and suspicious inhumanity towards persons who stole, for example, a can of stew in a supermarket, and stolen for the first time..." and is no longer surprised that Vasilyeva is calmly awaiting her fate in her luxurious apartment, that one defendant (Zakutaylo) was "forgot" to bring charges within the period stipulated by law, and the other, Puzikov, worthy of being in the forefront of defendants, is not at all They didn't interrogate ONCE! Well, the fact that the most important person in this whole grab company, Taburetkin, turns out to be NOT INVOLVED at all and, probably, will remain a witness - simply an example of the HIGHEST PILOTATICS of our law enforcement system! And WHAT after all this can be the level of trust of the people in those in power?
  76. Digston
    0
    7 October 2013 17: 24
    Killing these creatures is not enough.
  77. gara_doc
    +4
    7 October 2013 17: 29
    With this one thing, the country will learn the essence of our power... If no one sits down, the country will end. If Serdyukov is acquitted, the country will end. If there is no confiscation of property, the country will be finished. Because this case is a sign for other bureaucrats: the main thing is to put it where it needs to be....
  78. +2
    7 October 2013 17: 37
    Did you vote for the Siberian Crane? Under the crane roof.
  79. +2
    7 October 2013 18: 06
    Quote: gara_doc
    With this one thing, the country will learn the essence of our power... If no one sits down, the country will end. If Serdyukov is acquitted, the country will end. If there is no confiscation of property, the country will be finished. Because this case is a sign for other bureaucrats: the main thing is to put it where it needs to be....

    No one will be imprisoned and the country will not fall apart. The zombie killer will divert the attention of the “electorate” to other “important events”, such as flying in dreams and in reality with Siberian Cranes or diving into the depths of the sea for an amphora. And by the elections of 18, they will be thrown on the altar of the fight against corruption some unpopular governor, and the wizard Churov will again proclaim the victory of the “sun-like”
  80. +1
    7 October 2013 18: 10
    It’s a pity that we’re not in ’37, otherwise the bastards won’t even go to prison, they’re in a system of total theft, and a thief won’t turn in a thief
  81. Kostya pedestrian
    -2
    7 October 2013 19: 29
    Serdyukov, of course, is a fruit, but he himself is not the root of “evil”! Moreover, it was raised “in revenge on the victorious Zhukov, for his, Zhukov’s, respect for real German furniture, which the Nazis or banditovs themselves did not value, burning this furniture, like the Belarusians, alive. Such a Type R furniture inquisition!

    BUT! Still, he knocked out a couple of Mistral-class ships for Russia at a very favorable price, but, for example, YueSey is the Minister of Defense? What did he do? Have you reached the level of the German group Ramstein, like the one that declared war on Kaminsky like Hitler Jones in the last crusade and Indiana Jones? Or became a Freemason? No wonder they cleaned up the Internet so as not to show the fight of the New York policeman Ichabod Crane (And faq? da CHAP(L)in(A)) against their leader - a maniac. The same movie where Johnny Deep drinks sugar and Absinthe. Well, against the one who starred in the Irish Lord of the End, joked in New Z(kh)land (in German - Erde! Or Dread = d2) R=B(k)=odzin or oDDin (Gu). They even evaporated this film from the filmography - it’s like turning quartz-quartz on Mars into steam. By any chance is this a new weapon like Air'a'zer0? Ta - as would Simpson say!


    Like, if the air has become Spanish, then why Sails? To feed the Devil? The ship with the proud name "USA" was shot down, a kamikaze? Having destroyed the skyscraper masts and knocked out the dent in the porthole, they would have achieved success. Unless, of course, the Pentagon is that engine room, that control porthole - the engine... the central porthole, the hole in which is sufficient to sink the entire ship North America! Although, as they do not spare their engine at all speeds, and try to finish it off, then maybe the assets really need to be brought to land, but Vysotsky is in the way:

    And the captain sends us the familiar sign:
    "It's not evening yet, it's not evening yet."
    Hundreds of eyes look at us through binoculars, through the pipes
    And they see us from the smoke of evil and gray,
    But they never see us
    Chained to the oars on the galleys.
    Unequal battle, our ship is heeling.
    Save our human souls,
    But the captain shouted: "On board!
    It is not yet evening, it is not yet evening.
    Who wants to live, who is cheerful, who is not aphid
    Prepare your hands for melee!
    And let the rats leave the ship
    They interfere with the reckless battle.

    Otherwise, it’s time for Dolph to advertise MAN-MAZES in Australia, and he’s still praying on M(D) Lakes Adelaide, so you see Ivango-Iveko from Italy is talking to us as if the Swedes don’t have their own king.
  82. +1
    7 October 2013 19: 31
    It's time for embezzlers to cut off their hands - this will scare them more. Eh, it's a pity it won't be like this :(
    1. +3
      7 October 2013 19: 36
      It's time to go to the polls, if you're not happy with the candidates, ruin your ballot!
  83. +2
    7 October 2013 19: 47
    I’m already used to the fact that our country resembles a “Field of Miracles” in the land of “Fools”.
    1. 0
      7 October 2013 19: 56
      but surely APASUS praised Kuzhegetovich when he became a minister!!!!))))
  84. Alikovo
    0
    7 October 2013 20: 39
    they will delay the trial for a long time.
    1. +1
      7 October 2013 20: 48
      3
      Three years, and then the statute of limitations will expire,,,,,,,,,,,
  85. +3
    7 October 2013 21: 45
    If you place this camarilla in bunks, the “Glavsterkh” will automatically recognize himself as, to put it mildly, incompetent. And therefore, as the Duce used to say in his time: “Everything is yours, the rest is law.”
  86. 0
    7 October 2013 22: 32
    Why did you all attack the girl? He suffers for love...
  87. +1
    7 October 2013 23: 53
    I agree with the first comment....this case shows the country’s prestige and trust in the authorities.........the authorities need new political victories, especially before the 2014 presidential elections....they should have let these unwanted people go to waste. ..and the authorities will come out of the situation with a face and the people will be pleased...I’ll sleep like a baby)))) and if they merge, it’s not humane, not in conscience, and you won’t shut up anymore, Serdyukov has eaten such cheeks that you can’t really hide
  88. Anton Nakhimov
    +4
    8 October 2013 00: 23
    In the days of the USSR, or now in China, for such thefts they would have been shot, at the moment... When it comes to the defense capability of the country, the safety of its citizens, the punishment should be as severe as possible, so that they would be afraid to shame themselves for an extra penny..
  89. +3
    8 October 2013 02: 43
    I read and involuntarily feel nostalgic, oh on their heads, comrades Yezhov or Beria, and even consider them as part of the troika.
  90. +1
    8 October 2013 08: 50
    Quote: bomg.77
    Quote: os9165
    "We are not 37 years old"
    I hope after the Olympics we will have 37 year,

    I hope so too. But there are few prerequisites for such hopes. General Makarov will not suffer any punishment for his contribution to the collapse of the army, there are not enough decent words to write about the case of the furniture minister, and he is even still at large... Moreover, some episodes from the case were excluded with a strange wording, a person who was ready to testify As part of the plea deal, Perdyukov was ignored and released. The further it goes, the worse this thing looks.
  91. +3
    8 October 2013 10: 07
    For example, yesterday, October 7.10.2013, 20, the ex-Minister of Defense of Greece was sentenced to XNUMX years for bribery!!! This is democracy...
    1. +2
      9 October 2013 01: 50
      Quote: moremansf
      For example, yesterday, October 7.10.2013, 20, the ex-Minister of Defense of Greece was sentenced to XNUMX years for bribery!!! This is democracy...

      Well, we are special. Ours is not a simple democracy, but a sovereign one. And we are not signing the amendment to the anti-corruption convention for the same reason. And we are told about patriotism alternately by Putin, Lavrov, or Yakunin, who published a patriotic book on how to love the Motherland. Well, they simply forgot to mention the fact that all three of them have all their children and grandchildren who do not live here.
  92. parij777
    0
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  93. tangage
    +4
    8 October 2013 14: 56
    No one doubted from the very beginning that in this matter there would be only switchmen.
    Russia is probably the only country in the world where it is impossible to put a minister in prison, because... they are either relatives or best friends of the country's political elite.
    The judicial system is completely deceitful, and works out to the authorities those 30 pieces of silver that the authorities pay them.
    Nobody raises the question: in whose interests did Serdyukov and Vasiliev commit billions of dollars in theft? A minister cannot steal billions without the Prime Minister and the President knowing about it.
  94. +1
    8 October 2013 16: 57
    Hmm... in the old days everything would have been returned, but the culprits would have simply been spanked and that’s all.
  95. +2
    8 October 2013 19: 58
    Guys, the first article for all those involved in this case should be treason, and then corruption and banal theft from which they will be excused.
    1. +1
      8 October 2013 23: 29
      Man, what are you talking about? You have a HOMELAND, they have a state.
  96. +1
    8 October 2013 23: 25
    That's how! The lawyer is not embarrassed by the fact that in his client’s apartment operatives at one time discovered 57 thousand (!) precious stones with a total weight (including precious metals) of as much as 19 kilograms, nor by the fact that in order to earn the amount of money necessary to purchase 19 kg of diamonds , rubies, emeralds, gold and platinum, a whole set of expensive watches,
    For our wife, 19 kg for the benefit of the seed family. And as for the cost, I worked two shifts.
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  98. +1
    9 October 2013 00: 40
    Quote: bomg.77
    Quote: geptilshik
    I wonder who will suit him this notorious 37 year. GDP or something, but no, he will definitely arrange it, until 2037 he will sit on the throne for a year.
    If you closely follow the news, you might notice that it has already begun, so far only the first quarter of 37 of the year))) work on the middle link and the heads of small cities. In order not to cause a resonance in society, trump grabbers have not yet been touched, but their turn!

    What kind of resonance are you writing about? Is Putin afraid to cause a stir among the people by imprisoning thieves? I see you are an optimist and still believe in the good aspirations of our president. If you want, let’s forget about something that will be like in the prosecutors’ case. They will give you ridiculous sentences and, after a maximum of a year, you will be quietly released.
  99. 0
    9 October 2013 09: 30
    Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro on Tuesday personally presented in the country's parliament a bill granting him special powers to combat corruption.
    The document proposes the introduction of maximum penalties for those who, according to Maduro, declared "economic war"Venezuela. The president considers such people to be corrupt officials and those involved in sabotage of the national economy.
    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20131009/968665089.html#ixzz2hCRxWP1q
    We wish we could do that!!!!
    1. Mikkado31
      +1
      11 October 2013 00: 31
      Isn't that the case with you? Putin has been “bravely fighting” against corruption for 13 years, and all his friends are on the Forbes list... Putin only needs to wave his handkerchief for all these grabbers to sit down. But he’s not, because they’re all his buddies and business partners. A raven will not peck out a crow's eye.
  100. Mikkado31
    0
    11 October 2013 00: 29
    Nobody will sit down. relax. They will give you a conditional sentence and immediately an amnesty. And then, on the beautiful azure islands, spend honestly stolen money. In Russia, the criminal mafia, led by a judoka, is in power. And the jingoistic patriots continue to hope for “getting up from their knees” during Putin’s 4th term... This is a clinical diagnosis.