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The case of "Oboronservis." The climax?

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Oboronservice "Santa Barbara" is entering the climax stage? We don’t know, don’t know ... But the investigative authorities indicted the defendants in the Oboronservis case in the final version. “In the final version” is according to the representatives of the Main Directorate of Military Investigations (the Main Military Investigation Department). What is the "final version" of these accusations, at least in the example of one of the persons involved - let's try to understand more.


The case of "Oboronservis." The climax?


Regarding the time to become a superstar of domestic corruption, Evgenia Vasilyeva, charges were filed on a dozen episodes. All these episodes fit into four articles of the Criminal Code:

article 159 "Fraud" (the maximum term under the article - 10 years in prison);

article 174 "Legalization (laundering) of money or other property acquired by other persons by criminal means", item 1 “Making financial transactions and other transactions with monetary funds or other property, knowingly acquired by other persons in a criminal way, in order to give a legitimate type of possession, use and disposal of specified monetary funds or other property” (the maximum penalty for this item is a fine in the amount of annual income);

article 285 "Abuse of authority" (the maximum term under the article - 10 years in prison);

article 286 "Excess of official powers" (maximum term under the article - 10 years imprisonment).

Only in fairness it must be said that all maximum terms “shine” to those persons who are “in a group”, “by prior agreement” or “with especially grave consequences”. The choice of the first paragraph of Article 174 by the investigation suggests that the GVSU is not ready to give Yevgeny Vasilyev the status of a representative of a criminal group. You know, I myself acted alone ... But, even if we partially sum up all the episodes that Vasiliev was accused of, then there would be plenty of time for sewing the jackets. Another thing is that in addition to the investigating authorities, we still have a court, and the Russian court often shows heightened humanity towards robbers of billions and suspicious anti-humanity towards those who stole a supermarket in a supermarket, for example, for the first time ...
Despite the fact that the damage inflicted to the state personally by Eugenia Vasilyeva is about 3 billion rubles, her lawyer does not lose heart, as his client himself does not seem to lose heart. Hassan Borokov (namely, he is the lawyer of the lady from Molochny Lane) stated (quoted from Interfax):

I hope that, if the law is observed, all the charges against Vasilyeva will be dropped due to the absence of corpus delicti in her actions. We believe that the case will not even go to court.


Here is how! The lawyer is not embarrassed by the fact that 57 thousands (!) Precious stones of the total mass (together with precious metals) already 19 kilograms were found by investigators in the apartment of his client, even 19 kilograms, or the amount of money needed to purchase XNUMX kg of diamonds , rubies, emeralds, gold and platinum, a whole set of expensive watches, Evgenia Vasilyeva needed to work hard for at least three of her lives ... Maybe he allows for a series of reincarnations in relation to her client, during which she had time to otat to "two buckets" bryulikov ...

GVSU representatives say that they collected an evidence base confirming the information that Evgenia Vasilyeva was selling state property to affiliated persons and structures at a lower price, after which this property was sold at market price, and the proceeds from such sales dropped into the accounts of combinators from "Oboronservisa." Such accounts (belonging to Vasilyeva) were arrested, in particular, in one of the Swiss banks.
At the moment, in relation to the activities of Oboronservis and, let's say, parallel structures, 25 criminal cases have been initiated, which are combined into one proceeding. The list of persons involved in the Oboronservis case (under various types of arrest) is impressive. Besides Mrs. Vasilyeva it

Irina Egorova (CEO of Prioritet, ex-director of Mira), suspected of stealing 100 million rubles;

Andrei Lugansky (director of Security and Communications), who, together with the chief accountant of the company, Yulia Rotanova, is suspected of embezzling 53 million rubles;

Ekaterina Smetanova, who is under a written undertaking not to leave her on suspicion of a whole series of frauds related to military real estate;

Maxim Zakutaylo (Smetanov’s husband and director of the Air Force Military District MVO ”;

as well as Alexander Elkin, Nikolay Ryabykh, Konstantin Lapshin.

The total damage caused to the state by these (well, of course, not only by these) ladies and gentlemen amounted to more than 6 billion rubles - this is according to representatives of the GVSU SU IC of the RF.

It is noteworthy that the investigation of the time allotted by the norms of the Criminal Procedure Code has managed to bring official charges far from all the defendants. For example, the aforementioned Maxim Zakutaylo may even be released in less than a month, as it turned out that the prosecution's investigators had delayed ...

Well, and in relation to some gentlemen, whose surnames are suspiciously often featured in various reports about the machinations in the Ministry of Defense, the investigation generally behaves, to put it mildly, strangely. For example, representatives of the Investigative Committee have never stated about the interrogation of such a person as Valery Puzikov (the husband of the sister of the ex-Minister of Defense). This, despite the fact that after conducting a journalistic investigation by Komsomolskaya Pravda, it turned out that the Puzikov family are just some Rockefellers of the domestic “spill”. In the possession of companies and organizations, headed by Mr. Puzikov, there were dozens of real estate objects: land, houses, apartments, offices, warehouses, and even ... a public toilet in St. Petersburg on Novoladozhskaya. By the way, the house in Molochny Pereulok, where Vasiliev is imprisoned, according to Kosmomolka, also belongs to Puzikov. Viktor Baranets, who carried out a journalistic investigation, says that this is “the insatiability of hapuzhnichestvo” and “it gives rise to the insatiability to recruit more, more, knowing that you will not be caught”.

It is obvious that all these "defense service" torments have long been able to step beyond the framework of a regular criminal case. This is, in fact, about the prestige of the country, about the ability of the authorities to effectively manage the state, about the ability to build a common legal field for all (and not just for the elect). Therefore, it depends on the end result of this extensive business that there is no need to conceal, and the level of people's confidence in the Russian authorities.
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  1. os9165
    os9165 7 October 2013 09: 09 New
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    It is obvious that all these "defense service" torments have long been able to step beyond the framework of a regular criminal case. This is, in fact, about the prestige of the country, about the ability of the authorities to effectively manage the state, about the ability to build a common legal field for all (and not just for the elect). Therefore, it depends on the end result of this extensive business that there is no need to conceal, and the level of people's confidence in the Russian authorities.
    Dear only without emotion Chef said, “Only without panic! The mustache will be okay: take a bath, have a cup of coffee, fly uutkii, fly uuutkii »" Calm. Only calm. I’m going to command the parade. "
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 7 October 2013 09: 16 New
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      Quote: os9165
      "We have not 37 year"
      I hope that after the Olympics we will have 37year, otherwise the country is already choking on liberals, bribe takers and other evil spirits. Play and have enough!
      1. geptilshik
        geptilshik 7 October 2013 09: 32 New
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        I wonder who will suit him this notorious 37 year. GDP or something, but no, he will definitely arrange it, until 2037 he will sit on the throne for a year.
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 7 October 2013 09: 48 New
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          Quote: geptilshik
          I wonder who will suit him this notorious 37 year. GDP or something, but no, he will definitely arrange it, until 2037 he will sit on the throne for a year.
          If you closely follow the news, you might notice that it has already begun, so far only the first quarter of 37 of the year))) work on the middle link and the heads of small cities. In order not to cause a resonance in society, trump grabbers have not yet been touched, but their turn!
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 10: 39 New
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            Quote: bomg.77
            In order not to cause a resonance in society, trump grabbers have not yet been touched, but their turn will come!

            What resonance? He would have the whole country clapping his hands while standing, if he had started with a trump card. At the very most likely stigma in the gun. Or did he go on vacation while Dima was at the helm? Or the prime minister is not supposed to poke his nose in the affairs of the Ministry of Defense? Just don’t say that he didn’t know ...
            1. optimist
              optimist 7 October 2013 10: 55 New
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              Quote: Ingvar 72
              What resonance? He would have the whole country clapping his hands while standing, if he had started with a trump card.

              I think so too. And respected forum users, it's time to relax: "there will be no kina" ... Putyara is not an idiot to dig his own grave. For as soon as they put a serdyuk, he will immediately receive from his shobla "a snuffbox in the temple", because any of these creatures, shown daily by the zombie, can be put to the wall without investigation and trial. So calm down: who will voluntarily "vertical" theft and plunder of the country will destroy ??? laughing
              1. 53-Sciborskiy
                53-Sciborskiy 7 October 2013 11: 01 New
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                An investigator from the prosecutor’s office reports to the president: “Vasilieva pointed at Serdyukov, Serdyukov at Chubais, Chubais at Surkov, Surkov at Medvedev, Medvedev at ...”.
                “Enough ...” interrupts Vladimir Vladimirovich: “... and so it is already obvious that no one is to blame for anything ..!”
                1. Dimon-chik-79
                  Dimon-chik-79 7 October 2013 14: 26 New
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                  good laughing
                  But Putin’s opinion
                  1. Donvel
                    Donvel 7 October 2013 16: 23 New
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                    Let me guess whose hand this is. This is the hand of "certain forces" good
                    Our friend of GDP, as always, breeds demagogy and says nothing in essence. Want to know if they will sit or not? Do not sit down. There is more than enough obvious evidence. We would like to plant it - we would have planted it a long time ago.
                    1. kostella85
                      kostella85 7 October 2013 20: 38 New
                      +4
                      Well, he’s a NORMAL GUY (GDP), how to hand over that root, and Zhenya is sorry, a beautiful woman, she was sitting at house arrest for friends, he didn’t leave a house !!! but nothing the investigation lasts another 1,5 years and you can go out .............
                      1. Yarik
                        Yarik 7 October 2013 22: 11 New
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                        Deffchonka, indeed, is quite even. And what about VV? I’m not a fan, but who knows them in politics, both external and internal. There should be considerations stemming from the knowledge of a number of points that we simply don’t know. V.V. not easy.
                      2. Tartary
                        Tartary 8 October 2013 02: 50 New
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                        Quote: Yarik
                        Deffchonka, indeed, is quite even. And what about VV? I’m not a fan, but who knows them in politics, both external and internal. There should be considerations stemming from the knowledge of a number of points that we simply don’t know. V.V. not easy.

                        That's it...
                        How to convey to small-town ghouls who plant people right and left, squeezing small, medium, and sometimes large business, that this should not be done?
                        What, it is necessary to threaten with a finger and everything will be settled as if by magic? Who will threaten, Putin? To whom? The shadows?
                        Don’t tell my slippers - how long would it take him, and his comrades-in-arms, to monitor the excesses in the places and identify the owners of the shadows?
                        In this case (his answer), Putin specifically declares his position and desire to convey to those involved, as he sees and hopes he is going to equip domestic politics on a specific issue ...
                        Conclusions and measures will be taken based on the results of the activities of those individuals, including officials who do not heed the logic and letter of the Law ...

                        And to "wave a saber" through the air, not seeing goals - this is not just stupid, but in post-Yeltsin Russia, it’s just dangerous ...

                        Or who thinks, and who mistakenly believes that there are immortals?
                  2. Troitsky
                    Troitsky 8 October 2013 04: 21 New
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                    if they would like to otmazyut already would otmazyvali. But things are going on so far, so it’s not so simple.
                    1. Letun
                      Letun 8 October 2013 16: 12 New
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                      Quote: Trinity
                      if they would like to otmazyut already would otmazyvali. But things are going on so far, so it’s not so simple.

                      They would have long been dismissed if it weren’t for such a public outcry. This is a matter in full view of the whole country, and declaring these ghouls innocent means openly, and in the literal sense of the word, to spit in the face of their people. And to plant - to destroy the system of mutual responsibility. That's really interesting how it all ends. laughing I think they will solder about 3 years old Vasilyeva, they will set off their imprisonment under house arrest, and Great Pu, with an enlightened look, will again broadcast that our courts are independent, and this is their decision, and he, as an exemplary citizen, must respect him.
                    2. Donvel
                      Donvel 8 October 2013 17: 18 New
                      +2
                      In fact, already otmazyvali. It remains only to release everything on the brakes
                    3. captain dvv
                      captain dvv 9 October 2013 00: 56 New
                      +2
                      So already otmazyvali. Serdyukov is not guilty and goes on trial as a witness.
                    4. papas-57
                      papas-57 11 October 2013 19: 19 New
                      +1
                      We would like to plant it - for a long time all the kodla would sit on the plank beds, but you need to do it carefully, slowly, so that there would be no noise. They have to work long at the feeding trough before retiring.
              2. sillsas
                sillsas 7 October 2013 20: 16 New
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                To the point!
            2. Prapor-527
              Prapor-527 7 October 2013 11: 20 New
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              They can’t pull the trump cards ... Mr. Smerdyukov seems to be hoping for this.
            3. Yarik
              Yarik 7 October 2013 15: 35 New
              +1
              Bravo! Absolutely my thought.
            4. pawel57
              pawel57 7 October 2013 20: 37 New
              +1
              He has one thing to do. Wherever you turn, loop everywhere. Like Berezovsky and hang.
              1. kostella85
                kostella85 7 October 2013 20: 46 New
                +4
                Who is friends with GDP, not a single loop has rubbed the throat (remember Bellalovs) !!!!
          2. bomg.77
            bomg.77 7 October 2013 11: 27 New
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            What resonance?
            What resonance is it? Do you know Khodorkovsky? Even in the country and in the West, even the eldest Bush couldn’t fly to Putin to Sochi for him. They don’t touch either SKY or HIV, but they know how to raise this screech.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Or the prime minister is not supposed to poke his nose in the affairs of the Ministry of Defense? Don’t say that he didn’t know

            Ingvar, how did you find out about the thefts in the Moscow Region? Liberals? Democrats? Anal (he was busy then, he was tyril forest laughing)? No, it was done by Putin. If he didn’t want to, or if his hand is there, why appoint a check? Just don’t convince me that the Minister of Defense was checked at the initiative of the prosecutor’s office or the Accounts Chamber.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 7 October 2013 11: 51 New
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              Tashchemto, Moscow Region, like other state ministries and departments, checks the Accounting Chamber as planned, and Serdyukov was caught on this, and when the thermometer went off scale. By the way, in the Rosreestr theft of 50 billion rubles was also found by the Accounts Chamber during a routine check. Now Stepashin, the head of the chamber, was removed and Golikova was put in his place, the fox was appointed a chicken coop to guard, so that this chamber wouldn’t stand up across the throat.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 7 October 2013 13: 04 New
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                Quote: Mikado
                Now Stepashin, the head of the chamber, was removed and Golikova was put in his place, the fox was appointed a chicken coop to guard, so that this chamber wouldn’t stand up across the throat.
              2. bomg.77
                bomg.77 7 October 2013 13: 05 New
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                Quote: Mikado
                Tashchemto, Moscow Region, like other state ministries and departments, checks the Accounting Chamber as planned, and Serdyukov was caught on this, and when the thermometer went off scale. By the way, in the Rosreestr theft of 50 billion rubles was also found by the Accounts Chamber during a routine check. Now Stepashin, the head of the chamber, was removed and Golikova was put in his place, the fox was appointed a chicken coop to guard, so that this chamber wouldn’t stand up across the throat.
                And Stepashin and Golikova, these are all Putin’s people, without his team, I think they wouldn’t go anywhere.
              3. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 7 October 2013 13: 06 New
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                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 7 October 2013 20: 07 New
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                  I remember this news, it was at the same time when the first channel raised money for operations throughout the country for children, it’s a shame for the country.
              4. 05061956
                05061956 12 October 2013 17: 44 New
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                Absolutely right - after the autopsies of these corruption scandals - I had to send Stepashin to hell. And Golikova’s snout to the nines - there’s no better candidate.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 14: 21 New
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              Quote: bomg.77
              Do you know Khodorkovsky? For 10 years now, neither the insider nor the West can calm down, even the eldest Bush flew to Putin to fly to Sochi for him.

              Khodorkovsky forward daddy for a piece climbed, that's all. Abramovich doesn’t go into politics without waiting in line, and shares with “someone” at the top, but this does not mean that he is so honest
              Quote: bomg.77
              Just do not convince me that the Minister of Defense began to be checked at the initiative of the prosecutor's office or the Accounts Chamber.

              I will not convince. The fact that Serdyukov is free is the best confirmation that Vova is in the subject. And the fact that the abscess was opened, it was impossible without it, the whole army was already grumbling. And as history shows, you can play with the army, you can not replay. So the wolves are full, and the sheep are safe.
              1. pawel57
                pawel57 7 October 2013 20: 41 New
                +1
                There is no army and no one to complain. It took an army to defend its power and money, but it was not available.
            3. pawel57
              pawel57 7 October 2013 20: 39 New
              +1
              Putler is not alone in this world. Taburetkin became insolent in the region and put in place.
            4. captain dvv
              captain dvv 9 October 2013 01: 01 New
              +1
              You accidentally did not notice where Stepashin, head of the Accounts Chamber, is now and who was appointed to his post so that henceforth such punctures as the case in the Moscow Region no longer pop up.
            5. Captain Vrungel
              Captain Vrungel 12 October 2013 18: 10 New
              +2
              Here is the answer to many questions. Who is now held in high esteem.
          3. DEfindER
            DEfindER 7 October 2013 12: 05 New
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            He would have the whole country clapping his hands while standing, if he had started with a trump card.

            Behind the trump cards is a large criminal retinue, which has a fairly large influence, with us if you forgot capitalism, where the loot is everything. Therefore, it is necessary to act gradually, removing their support from under their feet, and then they themselves will fall.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Or did he go on vacation while Dima was at the helm?

            If you recall, they had constant conflicts with Dima, they did not even appear in public for a long time.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 14: 27 New
              +3
              Quote: DEfindER
              If you recall, they had constant conflicts with Dima, they did not even appear in public for a long time.

              Lovely scolding, only amuse. And the fact that the GDP and its DAM are just managers is clear. -not mine.
          4. pawel57
            pawel57 7 October 2013 20: 35 New
            +1
            Exactly in proportion
          5. DDA
            DDA 8 October 2013 03: 23 New
            +1
            I agree plus! In general, fairy tales about a good king and bad boyars were lifted! How the guarantor of the constitution controls the executive branch. At least, for the sake of pro forma, he asked Dima the question, "What kind of mess do you have at the Moscow Region? I’m waiting for a detailed report."
        2. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 7 October 2013 11: 10 New
          +6
          Quote: bomg.77
          If you closely follow the news, you might notice that it has already begun, so far only the first quarter of 37 of the year))) work on the middle link and the heads of small cities. In order not to cause a resonance in society, trump grabbers have not yet been touched, but their turn!

          is that, investigators train, like on cats, before going on tigers. although any follower will tell you that if there is information it is necessary first of all to take the leader and the most active members of the organized criminal group, and you can tidy up a simple "shellup" later without rushing, because it does not have such connections and capabilities as the "head". and the GVSU does the opposite, it allows the "head" to either fade or take measures so that there is no court. maybe that's why the lawyer says that he hopes that the case will fall apart before the trial?
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 7 October 2013 12: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: wasjasibirjac
            is that, investigators train, like on cats, before on tigers
            No, hunters are waiting for the right moment, but for now in the yard they shoot cats yes Olympics! Guests must be met and held.
        3. kostella85
          kostella85 7 October 2013 14: 02 New
          +6
          Quote: bomg.77
          If you closely follow the news, you might notice that it has already begun, while only the first quarter of 37

          Dreams Dreams! Our governor has 5 deputies in court and no use !!!!
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 8 October 2013 01: 25 New
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            Quote: kostella85
            Dreams Dreams!
            Dreams Come True. (V.V. Putin.) laughing
            Quote: kostella85
            Our governor 5 deputies are on trial and to no avail !!!
            Probably so many have poured that there is not an open edge of work for trackers.
        4. Ustas
          Ustas 7 October 2013 14: 26 New
          +6
          Quote: bomg.77
          trump grabbers have not yet been touched, but their turn will come!

          But in vain. If you would bring a few trump cards under a firing article and with confiscation, you look and you would put the middle link of the state money grabbers in your pants. Thief would be reduced at times.
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        6. fktrcfylh.h09
          fktrcfylh.h09 12 October 2013 08: 24 New
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          Yaroslavl, Makhachkala, Voronezh - these are very small cities?
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 24 New
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        Quote: geptilshik
        I wonder who will suit him this notorious 37year

        None!!! The people are still waiting for a miracle.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 7 October 2013 11: 42 New
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          None!!! The people are still waiting for a miracle.

          Hello Sasha! On the contrary, judging by warmth and loyalty, faith in the triumph of justice, this is a miracle for the people of Russia.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 11: 46 New
            +3
            Quote: Tersky
            On the contrary, it’s a miracle of the people of Russia.

            And miracles are full of forest wassat
            Hi Vit hi
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 7 October 2013 11: 49 New
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And miracles are full of forest

              And the whole forest of their three pines ... wassat
          2. zvereok
            zvereok 7 October 2013 14: 34 New
            +6
            Quote: Tersky
            Hello Sasha! On the contrary, judging by warmth and loyalty, faith in the triumph of justice, this is a miracle for the people of Russia.


            Or sheep that have been sheared for 20 years. And there they will let meat. My opinion is that the defense service case will either fall apart completely, or they will make Vasilyev a scapegoat. According to the Dimochka law, the aunt will pay a multiple of what has been proved (and not many are recognized as proved in court) and will leave to live his life to Tolik. By the way, Tolik may pay the money, and apparently not his own. And that's it, the topic is closed! Everyone is happy! Justice triumphed!
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 7 October 2013 12: 00 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          The people are still waiting for a miracle.
          It is strange that no one around notices another miracle. Convince me that a simple Russian girl, Evgenia Nikolaevna Vasilyeva, allowed to calmly "carry away in the beak" SUCH amounts. No one jerked and put on the counter? Kilograms of precious metals with stones lay calmly in the apartment? And this is in Moscow, famous for its lawlessness, where hundreds of greedy eyes are watching every exchanger, and have the national diasporas divided all cash flows to the penny for a long time? Yeah, now ... Well, I do not believe in SUCH tales ... request
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 12: 14 New
            +4
            Quote: Misantrop
            Convince me that a simple Russian girl, Evgenia Nikolaevna Vasilyeva, was allowed to calmly “carry away SUCH amounts in her beak”. No one jerked and put on the counter?

            This is generally what considering that below you write ...
            Quote: Misantrop
            And this is in Moscow, famous for its lawlessness, where hundreds of greedy eyes are watching every exchanger, and the national diasporas have divided all cash flows to the penny for a long time

            National diasporas on a cannon shot will not be allowed to the main feeder, where ours are sitting RUSSIAN.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 7 October 2013 12: 44 New
              +7
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Our Russians are sitting there
              So I’m talking about the same thing ... Not the people and the wrong sums to easily let the party slip away ... They steal all sorts of "Serdyukovs" and "Vasilievs", and for some reason they become billionaires ... "Vekselbergs " Paradox or pattern? what
            2. pawel57
              pawel57 7 October 2013 20: 44 New
              +2
              Since when did the Jews suddenly become Russian?
              1. Starfish
                Starfish 7 October 2013 21: 03 New
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                By the way, there are not only Jews, but also, you will not believe, purebred Russians
          2. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 7 October 2013 13: 10 New
            +5
            Quote: Misantrop
            Kilograms of precious metals with stones lay quietly in the apartment
          3. Muadipus
            Muadipus 7 October 2013 14: 10 New
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            Personally, I got the impression that the GDP has long taken a position: - if you don’t want to sit, return the loot. And given the amount by which they are robbed, there may be a reason. What is the use of a parasite behind bars who stubbornly remains silent where things have been stolen.
            1. AleksUkr
              AleksUkr 7 October 2013 17: 02 New
              +1
              Quote: Muadipus
              GDP has long taken a position: - you do not want to sit - return the loot


              REFINE, PLEASE: WHO AND TO WHOM SHOULD BE RETURNED OF THE STORED? I hope the Russian people, only through whose hands? Without intermediaries can not do ....

              HANG THE SLOGAN: Looted? Bring people back, adversary !.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 7 October 2013 17: 17 New
                +2
                Quote: AleksUkr
                HANG THE SLOGAN: Looted? Bring people back, adversary !.
                It is easier to introduce the wording instead of a fixed term for economic crimes: "Until compensation for damage, but not less than ... years" IMHO will be much more sense lol
            2. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 7 October 2013 17: 12 New
              +5
              Quote: Muadipus
              Personally, I got the impression that the GDP has long taken a position: - you do not want to sit - return the loot
              I do not observe this, but even if this were so, then such a position, to put it mildly, is not normal.

              And given the amount by which they are robbed, there may be a reason. What is the use of a parasite behind bars who stubbornly remains silent where things have been stolen.
              Finding the ends is the business of the relevant authorities; the difficulty in finding these ends is not a reason to give an opportunity to pay off.

              And taburetkin is far from the main problem, but only an episode. The system is destructive - politics is sharpened by negativity, violations of common sense and the Constitution at every step, all reforms come down to cutting and redistributing funds, which in turn leads to degradation - these are the main problems, and even planting a stool cannot solve them.
            3. captain dvv
              captain dvv 9 October 2013 01: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: Muadipus
              Personally, I got the impression that the GDP has long taken a position: - if you don’t want to sit, return the loot. And given the amount by which they are robbed, there may be a reason. What is the use of a parasite behind bars who stubbornly remains silent where things have been stolen.

              You are very optimistic about the president. Ask knowledgeable people what is silent is not an argument. They say everything and even at the first interrogation. There would be a desire to talk.
      3. AVV
        AVV 7 October 2013 11: 06 New
        12
        If our government does not plant these ghouls, then it will lose confidence in itself, now it’s not 37 years old, and no one is going to send Serdyukov and Vasilyeva to shock construction sites of the White Sea channel, or uranium mines, it’s enough that the first one goes by profession, furniture he did, chairs, stools, and the second sewed work clothes, otherwise they are very far from the people !!! And the thief should be in prison! If they are released, it will be tantamount to spitting on the people in the face !!! Draw conclusions gentlemen !! !
        1. MAG
          MAG 7 October 2013 11: 36 New
          +6
          One thought occurred to me, and she came to such a house arrest. Serdyuk visited her. We have an accident with such a scenario, and then the economic and even more so pass.
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 7 October 2013 13: 14 New
          +5
          Quote: AVV
          If they are released, it will be tantamount to spitting people in the face !!! Draw the conclusions of the gentlemen !!!

          But what - direct violations of the Constitution (such as the minimum wage below the subsistence level) and other spits - are not enough for conclusions?
        3. Firstvanguard
          Firstvanguard 7 October 2013 13: 42 New
          +3
          Now it’s not 37, and nobody is going to send Serdyukov and Vasilyeva to the shock construction sites of the White Sea channel, or the uranium mine

          And it’s a pity, that’s where I would send them crying
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 7 October 2013 09: 42 New
      16
      I also really hope that we will have “37 years old.” But he will not come, neither after the Olympics, nor after 2018, nor after 2023. Never will Serdyukov sit either yesterday, tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 7 October 2013 10: 09 New
        -1
        Why such confidence? 37 may not come, but 2014 will be, with the same consequences as in 37.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 25 New
          +8
          Quote: bomg.77
          but 2014 will be, with the same consequences as in 37.

          And what are the prerequisites for this? That good Putin will turn evil laughing
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 7 October 2013 12: 24 New
            -1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: bomg.77
            but 2014 will be, with the same consequences as in 37.

            And what are the prerequisites for this? That good Putin will turn evil laughing
            Alexander, but few mayors of cities and regional officials have been planted in recent months, or is this not a prerequisite?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 14: 13 New
              +5
              Quote: bomg.77
              Alexander, while few mayors and regional officials have been planted in recent months

              Very, very, very little!
              1. bomg.77
                bomg.77 8 October 2013 00: 20 New
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Very, very, very little!
                Let it be for now.
                Then there will be a "mow braid until dew" I hope.
          2. Firstvanguard
            Firstvanguard 7 October 2013 13: 48 New
            +2
            And what are the prerequisites for this? That good Putin will turn into evil laughing

            Take a look back. The evil tyrant Stalin, if you dig carefully, has always been a supporter of moderate politics, democracy, if you like. Remember what positions he held, what issues he resolved. Well, or look if you remember nothing other than Radzinsky-Rezunov-Svanidze. And about good Putin tell Hodor wassat
          3. novobranets
            novobranets 7 October 2013 15: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            That good Putin will turn evil

            And he is so evil. He only turned his anger for some reason, not to thieves in his own house, but to an unfortunate, stupid black man ... sorry, black man ... ugh, you black fool from the usa. request
            1. nov_tech.vrn
              nov_tech.vrn 12 October 2013 08: 46 New
              0
              it's just an advertisement for washing powder, remember, "tide or boiling"
        2. Starfish
          Starfish 7 October 2013 21: 06 New
          0
          it is possible that you are right, I'm afraid only the consequences will be not the same
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 23 New
      +6
      Quote: bomg.77
      I hope after the Olympics we will have 37 year,

      Are you naive laughing after the Olympics we will have 2015, until 37 another 22 years to wait wassat
      The verdict of the "court" is innocent!
      By the way, what about Vasilyeva’s pregnancy, is she going to give birth? There were so many discussions on this issue, and the stomach is still there. winked
      1. Fin
        Fin 7 October 2013 10: 37 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        By the way, what about Vasilyeva’s pregnancy, is she going to give birth? There were so many discussions on this issue, and the stomach is still there.

        Apparently she is just sure that she will not sit down therefore pregnancy is not needed. She has an order and family ties with Svetlana. All this is sad, trackers are working on the basket.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: Fin
          She has an order

          Oh, I didn’t know. And for what?
          1. Fin
            Fin 7 October 2013 11: 33 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Oh, I didn’t know. And for what?

            Pump.a
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 10: 41 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        By the way, what about Vasilyeva’s pregnancy, is she going to give birth? So many discussions were about this issue, and the belly is still there winked

        Children do not grow up in their mouths, Sasha wassat
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 43 New
          +6
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          In the mouth, children do not grow

          Her lawyer will prove the opposite laughing
        2. bomg.77
          bomg.77 7 October 2013 12: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Children do not grow up in their mouths, Sasha
          strong! laughing laughing
      3. predator.3
        predator.3 7 October 2013 10: 48 New
        +7
        Вfrom this is called kebesh justice, they didn’t even mention Tolik, and relatives are just patrons! How will it end? a couple of years will be assigned to random sixes, and this, in order to improve health, buy tickets to the Seychelles, and to London for permanent residence!
      4. Tersky
        Tersky 7 October 2013 12: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        There were so many discussions on this issue, and the stomach is still there.
        Sasha, well, the simple truth laughing
      5. bomg.77
        bomg.77 7 October 2013 12: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        after the Olympics we will have 2015
        Come on... wassat
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Are you naive
        No, I'm an optimist!
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        By the way, what about Vasily’s pregnancy, is she going to give birth?
        This is for Serdyuk, most likely a hollow! yes
      6. Proud.
        Proud. 7 October 2013 19: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        By the way, what about Vasily’s pregnancy, is she going to give birth?

        She refuted the expression: “You can’t be a little pregnant.” And she confirmed the other, answering the question: “Are you not pregnant yet?”, With the original answer: “A .., already resolved.”
    4. vell.65mail.ru
      vell.65mail.ru 7 October 2013 10: 53 New
      +3
      There will be 37, they can see a solid roof, which itself is involved in this, otherwise everything would be different.
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    6. Garrin
      Garrin 7 October 2013 12: 01 New
      +5
      Quote: bomg.77
      I hope that after the Olympics we will have 37year, otherwise the country is already choking on liberals, bribe takers and other evil spirits. Play and have enough!

      Do not expect. Then we will wait for "Mundial-2018".
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 7 October 2013 12: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Garrin
        Quote: bomg.77
        I hope that after the Olympics we will have 37year, otherwise the country is already choking on liberals, bribe takers and other evil spirits. Play and have enough!

        Do not expect. Then we will wait for "Mundial-2018".
        it’s necessary to have time in between. It’s not long to wait. I believe that we will clean the country after the Olympics. hi
        1. yur
          yur 7 October 2013 21: 33 New
          +2
          And where does the Olympics in general, we are not going to start an unjust war, but plant our own thieves. Our foreign "friends" should only welcome this.
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 8 October 2013 01: 12 New
            -1
            Quote: yur
            .Our overseas "friends" should only welcome this.
            They are friends of those
            whom we are going to clean. They will raise the screech "Putin the bloody tyrant."
            1. captain dvv
              captain dvv 9 October 2013 01: 19 New
              0
              Quote: bomg.77
              Quote: yur
              .Our overseas "friends" should only welcome this.
              They are friends of those
              whom we are going to clean. They will raise the screech "Putin the bloody tyrant."

              Even children do not believe in a fairy tale about evil boyars and a good king.
    7. smel
      smel 7 October 2013 12: 16 New
      +4
      I hope after the Olympics
      I also hoped that Klitschko and Povetkin gathered for a meeting on the 5 number on the eve of the end of the EdRA congress, so that at the exit from the hall each congress participant would give in to the enthusiasm in the forthcoming work. But no. They fought with themselves.
    8. IRBIS
      IRBIS 7 October 2013 12: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: bomg.77
      I hope after the Olympics we will have 37 year,

      After the Olympics, we will have 2015 year, and then another World Cup, and then something else ... Although the hope for justice is warming, but with each such episode less and less ...
    9. Combitor
      Combitor 7 October 2013 12: 37 New
      +6
      <bomg.77 Today, 09:16 ↑>
      Yes, nothing will happen after the Olympics. What then to do with the moon-faced alpha male, the wise looking forward? If “evil spirits” are called to account, then its leader will also have to be dressed in a prison robe. You don’t think that all lawlessness in the country is happening without its approval, support and participation?
      Some time after the Olympics, there will be another accession of the main Siberian Crane to the Russian throne with the ardent "approval" of the people. 146% Churov will provide him.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 7 October 2013 13: 39 New
        0
        Around Stalin, there were also his comrades-in-arms for revolution and “evil spirits,” but he cleaned everyone. So did all the leaders. Until the end of their reign, they usually come without those with whom they took this power. And Putin will do so.
        1. Firstvanguard
          Firstvanguard 7 October 2013 14: 03 New
          0
          Alexei! (is it possible? writing an appeal to a homeless person is somehow strange recourse ) I shake your courageous hand! (I hope you do not mind fellow ) it’s very rare, even on this resource, not to mention others, to meet a person who adequately and logically evaluates our history. And not beating in hysteria - Stalin is a tyrant! Putin is a thief! Everything is lost! etc.
          The history is mathematical, the algorithms on closer examination are traced quite clearly. And most importantly, there are people whose brain and logic do not turn off under the pressure of "democratic universal humanity" and all its derivatives.
          My deep IMHO: the operation "implementation" is completed. The next phase is liquidation.
          I believe in our victory! drinks
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 8 October 2013 00: 40 New
            0
            Quote: Firstvanguard
            Alexey! (can this be so?

            Can.
            Quote: Firstvanguard
            The history is mathematical, the algorithms on closer examination can be traced quite clearly.
            In mathematics, we have not only 37 year on our nose, but even worse, it is 41 .. Without 37 there will be no 45 year. If you change Stalin's last names to Putin, Tukhachevsky-Serdyukov, Berezovsky-Tr

            otsky, then everything will immediately fall into place history can be read over those years and see how events will develop. I also forgot the 2008 crisis and the great diplomacy. Everything is cyclical. I not only believe in our victory, I am confident in it! Respectfully.
            1. Firstvanguard
              Firstvanguard 8 October 2013 09: 22 New
              0
              There is nothing special to add, we understood each other. Thanks for your attention.
      2. captain dvv
        captain dvv 9 October 2013 01: 31 New
        0
        [146% Churov will provide him. [/ Quote]

        But with interest it will be more difficult. If agencies already close to the Kremlin can barely pull out a 30% GDP rating, then by the end of the 3rd term they will be like late Yeltsin somewhere in the region of 5-6%. Most likely there will be an operation receiver N 2.
    10. os9165
      os9165 7 October 2013 12: 40 New
      +5
      How naive you are, and this is after four presidential decrees No. 742, No.741, No.740, No.739 when he sharply raised the salary of senior officials, well, after the Olympics, we will have 37 year. A hundred times HA HA.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 7 October 2013 13: 42 New
        -3
        Quote: os9165
        How naive you are, and this is after four presidential decrees No. 742, No.741, No.740, No.739 when he sharply raised the salary of senior officials, well, after the Olympics, we will have 37 year. A hundred times HA HA.
        Let's see, wait, and then laugh.
    11. Airman
      Airman 7 October 2013 16: 32 New
      +6
      [quote = bomg.77]; [/ quote] I hope after the Olympics we will have 37 years, otherwise the country is already choking on liberals, bribe takers and other evil spirits. Play and stop! [/ quote]
      Your words, yes to God’s ears. But the year 37 is coming for the people: Housing and communal services are rising by leaps and bounds, real prices are off the charts, people’s speaking out for OWN rights is prohibited by the law, the police are guarding migrant workers, and not a ONE high-ranking robber is in prison, they receive “conditional” terms if receive.
    12. Very old
      Very old 7 October 2013 18: 46 New
      +2
      And do not hope, Alyosha. Let them go on the brakes. I already firmly do not believe
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 8 October 2013 01: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Old very
        And do not hope, Alyosha. Let them go on the brakes. I already firmly do not believe
        A month ago, when Obama drove the AUG to Syria, everyone on the site also strewed his head with ash that Putin would hand over, he had trillions in his accounts there and his “owners” were holding on a short leash. With Snowden it’s the same story, everyone said it would give, however time after time he proves the opposite, but we still don’t believe him, is that right in your opinion? How can we know what schemes Putin is playing at the top, It will happen, I'm sure of that!
    13. Current 72
      Current 72 8 October 2013 01: 30 New
      +1
      May God grant YOUR words to God in ears !!!
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 8 October 2013 02: 45 New
        0
        I myself wish it, like everything here on the site, I want it to happen faster, but I understand with my head that it is better to do this after the Olympics. hi
    14. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 8 October 2013 03: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: bomg.77
      Quote: os9165
      "We have not 37 year"
      I hope that after the Olympics we will have 37year, otherwise the country is already choking on liberals, bribe takers and other evil spirits. Play and have enough!


      And why after the Olympics? Is that X time ??? Why not after the 2018 FIFA World Cup? After the Olympics, new intergalactic projects will take away all the forces of our fighters for (their) bright future .... 37 year ... is it like bees against honey ???
    15. starshina78
      starshina78 11 October 2013 19: 18 New
      +1
      Accusations against Serdyukov, as I understand it, will not be? Weird! It turns out in vain they talked at him, he turns out to be white and fluffy, nothing man who does not know what was happening behind him. What a poor fellow he is! It’s a pity, it’s a pity, Serdyukov’s “honest, loyal to the homeland”
    16. fktrcfylh.h09
      fktrcfylh.h09 12 October 2013 08: 23 New
      0
      actually it's time
    17. vezunchik
      vezunchik 13 October 2013 19: 05 New
      0
      Oh dear you won’t punish yourself ... your hand will not rise ...
    18. peter_shchurov
      peter_shchurov 13 October 2013 21: 02 New
      0
      Quote: bomg.77
      I hope after the Olympics we will have 37 years



      The hamster thirsts for blood with hope looking at Soncelikogo PU !!

      But are you not afraid to get into the millstone? Or is it sure that this will happen to anyone, but not to you?
  2. bodriy
    bodriy 7 October 2013 11: 18 New
    13
    I don’t believe in Putin for a long time, but for now I’ll beware of assessments of this situation, the country’s sex is looking forward to trial !!! for me, only one thing is obvious, that by means of “democratic” elections, I would sweep away all this I’ll back to Israel, that is. something magical should happen home !!!
  3. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 7 October 2013 11: 22 New
    +7
    No, it will end like this ...
  4. Alekseev
    Alekseev 7 October 2013 12: 21 New
    +4
    “Doesn’t the lawyer bother that in his apartment, the investigators discovered 57 thousand (!) Precious stones with a total weight (together with precious metals) of as much as 19 kilograms, or that for earning the amount of funds needed to acquire 19 kg Diamonds, rubies, emeralds, gold and platinum, a whole set of expensive watches, Evgenia Vasilyeva needed to tirelessly work for at least three of her lives ... Maybe he admits a series of reincarnations in relation to his client, during which she managed to earn on "Two buckets" of brulik ... "
    All this would undoubtedly confuse a lawyer if our authorities, for example, ratified Article 20 of the UN Convention on Illicit Enrichment ...
    But ... she, eta Convention, allegedly does not fit in with the Constitution, and the Criminal Code must be amended and the year is not the 37th year. request
    1. zanoza
      zanoza 7 October 2013 12: 45 New
      +2
      The trouble is that this “lady” has “earned” everything by back-breaking labor, being one of the leaders in a dozen non-distressed firms. Yes, and in the Moscow Region, "for overwork and selfless work", it was repeatedly encouraged with multimillion-dollar bonuses, well, her salary with bonuses was apparently higher than "decent". So they both found the gold coin and quickly forgot not to pull it to business. request
      They just laugh at stupid investigators from the UK who simply openly put sticks in the wheels. Critters! am
  5. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 7 October 2013 16: 12 New
    +2
    What's not clear? If you plant Vasilyev, you have to plant Serdyukov, if you plant Serdyukov, you have to plant Zubkov, Chubais, Kudrin, Shaimiev, Matvienko, Medvedev and others, list laziness, and then who will? It’s not difficult to guess - GDP.
  6. alone
    alone 7 October 2013 21: 03 New
    0
    Quote: os9165
    It is obvious that all these “defense-service” torments have already managed to step beyond the scope of a usual criminal case


    if someone is imprisoned, but not a serdyuk. as you know, witnesses are not imprisoned
  7. Polovec
    Polovec 8 October 2013 20: 35 New
    +1
    What amazes me the most in the listing of articles of the Criminal Code is that it does not consider a crime from the perspective of treason against the Motherland and undermining state principles and security! Fraudsters? The thieves? But will not it be enough? It’s not from a meat-packing plant that they dragged clippings! The Syrian crisis showed the combat readiness and power of our fleet. Something will be not enough! And how many units could be equipped only with the funds that were taken from Vasilyeva’s house? These are not abstract values ​​- 57 thousand stones, 19 kg of stones with precious metals ...
    I think that in order for their gang to respond, it would not be necessary even for 37 years. It would be enough and the 77th!
  • NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR 7 October 2013 09: 11 New
    18
    The culmination stage will enter an active mode after the Olympics, because why provoke liberals in power to inadequate actions against Russia.
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  • Lantau
    Lantau 7 October 2013 09: 12 New
    +6
    Are these people really lost conscience?
    1. asadov
      asadov 7 October 2013 09: 21 New
      13
      yes with these people and so everything is clear.
      I am interested in the conscience of those who judge these people? God grant yes. And we finally hear fair sentences.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 27 New
        13
        Quote: asadov
        I am interested in the conscience of those who judge these people?

        What are you saying? In our country, the law is one for all! So Putin said, then Serdyukov will receive a life wassat state security and cottage on Rublevka laughing
      2. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 7 October 2013 11: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: asadov
        God grant yes. And we finally hear fair sentences.

        just keep in mind that the most honest and fair judge cannot go beyond what the investigator presented to the defendant. if Vasilyeva and K. are shown that they each acted alone, then everything, a loner maniac for money.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 7 October 2013 12: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: wasjasibirjac
          the most honest and fair judge cannot go beyond what the investigator presented to the defendant.

          Actually, the prosecutor presents ... wink
    2. Yun Klob
      Yun Klob 7 October 2013 09: 30 New
      10
      There is no shame before cattle. Slave owners respect only slave owners.
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      2. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 7 October 2013 11: 15 New
        +5
        Quote: Yoon Clob
        . Slave owners respect only slave owners.

        but they are afraid of the rebels - Spartak, Pugachev .....
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 7 October 2013 09: 31 New
      13
      Quote: Lantau
      Are these people really lost conscience?

      Have they ever had it?
      1. Dober
        Dober 7 October 2013 12: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        Have they ever had it?

        But what of course it was. Children are born sinless. If only "these" were children, but not mishandled by Allen from the Alpha Centauri.
        And if there were anyway, then conscience died out as atavism, stolen by someone or simply lost.
        Here it is, (conscience), and it is necessary to look for the trail and return it to the "patience", and there already the "voluntary repentance" is not far off. And everyone is happy ...
        Well, if you can’t find the “loss”, then it’s necessary Donor of Conscience. Putin is clearly not suitable for this role. Even as a "practicing surgeon." But as an "anesthetist" he is good ...
    4. Ded_smerch
      Ded_smerch 7 October 2013 09: 35 New
      +3
      what? Who is a conscience? These are no longer people.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 28 New
        +5
        Quote: Ded_smerch
        Who is a conscience?

        Outdated concept.
    5. Tersky
      Tersky 7 October 2013 12: 13 New
      +5
      Quote: Lantau
      Are these people really lost conscience?

      For the likes of Vasilyeva, it’s easy ...
      1. Cat
        Cat 7 October 2013 12: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Tersky
        Quote: Lantau
        Are these people really lost conscience?

        For the likes of Vasilyeva, it’s easy ...

        The picture is cool, but a little off topic. Rather - not at all in the subject.
        Because the officials in general and Ms. Vasilyeva in particular - such a thing as conscience is completely absent. It’s too expensive a pleasure, you won’t steal so much in any budget. Well, except that you can sell all the pants with paintings, and move from a 13-room center to a slum castle. But then it’s not a fact that is enough.
    6. Firstvanguard
      Firstvanguard 7 October 2013 14: 16 New
      +1
      Are these people really lost conscience?

      C'mon, do you really think that they know the meaning of the word? By definition, their conscience, in computer terms, can be connected via an external interface. OBHSS and KGB 2.0
    7. novobranets
      novobranets 7 October 2013 15: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Lantau
      Are these people really lost conscience?

      It is not initially provided for by their design. Hope on their conscience, at least naively.
    8. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 7 October 2013 17: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Lantau
      Are these people really lost conscience?


      And who saw her? Show that man?
      BUT IN GENERAL
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 7 October 2013 19: 20 New
        +1
        theft from us - they are not considered theft. so to speak, especially the national mentality
    9. captain dvv
      captain dvv 9 October 2013 01: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Lantau
      Are these people really lost conscience?

      To lose something, you must first have something
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 7 October 2013 09: 17 New
    11
    Thank you Alexey! You can not leave them unattended. Otherwise, ALL THE BIG FISH WILL LEAVE, and they will punish the TINY AND INNOCENT, as usual. From me, also the second "+" would be FOR THE RIGHT POSITION!
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts 7 October 2013 09: 19 New
    26
    It’s useless to plant corrupt officials or shoot them, as the experience of China shows, young growth will replace them. I remember Prince Potemkin - Tauride said: "It has now become impossible to destroy the bureaucracy, because it will have to be entrusted to the same bureaucrats to destroy it. But even having destroyed the old bureaucracy, they will immediately generate a new, even more gluttonous, more resilient and tenacious ..."
    But it is possible to make them eat each other (to hand over in bulk, as in Italy) and introduce collective responsibility (of relatives), as in the USA. Then the bureaucrat will be limited in this framework and will understand that now he will seize and “live”, but he and his family will pay. It will be sure to pay, since there is one clever and for indulgence in the form of a "clean and good" name, he will turn over everyone. And instead of the 4-th apartment, which already had cars of his own and his wife, there will be 2 dorm rooms with a samara fret for everyone. But even this he will not be able to experience, since he will sit for at least 5 years.
    After that, corruption will decrease so much that corrupt officials will be shown as a national rarity.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 10: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: ImPerts
      It’s useless to plant corrupt officials or shoot them, as the experience of China shows, young growth will replace them.

      The experience of China shows the opposite. In all respects. When you know that you can smear your forehead with a green paint for a bribe, you start differently for a freebie.
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 7 October 2013 11: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        The experience of China shows the opposite. In all respects. When you know that you can smear your forehead with a green paint for a bribe, you start differently for a freebie.

        For so many years and have not yet won this hydra ???
        For 10 years, about 10.000 officials were shot in China, and about 120.000 officials were imprisoned. Won ???
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 12: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: ImPerts
          For so many years and have not yet won this hydra ???

          Fully defeat it will not succeed when. But the pace of economic growth shows the correctness of the chosen path. With the eastern "mandarin" mentality, China without a "tower" would have already bent.
        2. consul
          consul 7 October 2013 12: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: ImPerts
          Over 10 years, approximately 10.000 officials were shot in China and about 120.000 bureaucrats were imprisoned.

          as a percentage of the population of China, this is not much, i.e. argumentation by execution is effective.
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts 7 October 2013 13: 21 New
            0
            It's not about the execution.
            I already wrote above. A sense of danger - will give up any of the chains and mutual responsibility, when relatives and friends can’t explain the purchase of the mansion, since they will also be checked, these two main factors. But executions, you will not leave for executions. Once he steals, he will be shot, but the children and grandchildren will be in chocolate, the normal peasant will not stop the shooting, he will do everything for his children and grandchildren, even die.
            And of course - inevitability.
            About Vasilyeva. 1) If there were shootings. But will the case fall apart before reaching the court or simply not reaching ??? 2) Will she be found guilty if she bought everything with “pebbles” for her salary from previous works, and dad gave her an apartment ??? 3) And they will shoot her, who will return the apartment with two buckets of "pebbles" ???
            1. Firstvanguard
              Firstvanguard 7 October 2013 14: 27 New
              +1
              And they will shoot her, who will return the apartment with two buckets of "pebbles" ???

              The solution is obvious. Confiscation of property, including from relatives + execution.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 14: 31 New
              0
              Quote: ImPerts
              It's not about the execution.

              In it. In a complex with the security measures listed by you.
              1. ImPerts
                ImPerts 7 October 2013 17: 36 New
                +1
                Therefore, the point is not in execution, but in mutual responsibility. Like the mafia or organized crime groups. You hit, everyone hit. Do not want, do not go. Wanted, think about family. I thought about my relatives, introduced - decide.
  • velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 7 October 2013 09: 19 New
    22
    Personally, I have a very mixed attitude to GDP, so the sentences on this case (if any) for me, and for the majority of sane people in the country, will be like a litmus test about the legitimacy of the current government and the GDP itself. I really want to believe that GDP will rehabilitate itself before the people after the not very “successful” first two terms of his presidency. In general, life will show "hu hu." what
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 7 October 2013 10: 48 New
      0
      Does anyone need it? I'm talking about GDP.
    2. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 7 October 2013 11: 04 New
      +6
      velikoros-xnumx
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      therefore, the sentences in this case (if any) are for me, and for most sane the country will be like a litmus test for the legitimacy of the current government and personally GDP.


      By God, you are strange people. If Putin "puts" Serdyukov - Putin Hero of our time. If not, you are so
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      ambiguous attitude to GDP
      "ambiguous and you will relate to it. Funny! Open your eyes, strain your head.
      For Putin, this Serdyukov and others like him, and others like them - KOZYR in his pocket. The card will be played (or not) at the time of the greatest dissatisfaction of the citizens of Russia (especially Russian !!!). So far, you can “pull the cat by the ya.” And watch ... He has more than one trump card in any field: politics, economics, education, etc., etc.
      I already wrote - I think that "planted."
      But "by how much" and how? Well, let's say the court and the verdict, Serdyukov is 10 years old common fund ... And what ??? WILL IT BE THERE AT ALL???? Are you sure that for zhurnalyug, it will not be specially brought from overseas paradise islands, before that asking for Do not eat it for a week?
      And you, and
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      most sane in the country
      you will rejoice as children. And to thank Putin for "" "" landing "" "Serdyukov, while being head over heels in crap with Gaster, in the role CHIEF
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      In general, life will show "hu hu."

      So, in my opinion, everything is "shown" ...

      To whom the following does not seem - Nonsense, that Otzombi, and I'm sorry, inadequate. Olympic flame ...
      "The relay race will pass through 2900 settlements of the country, will last 123 days, overcoming more than 65 thousand kilometers and visiting all regions of Russia. Olympic flame is also planned send to the ISS and take it out into outer space, load on the bathyscaphe to the bottom of Lake Baikal, lift it to the top of Elbrus and take it to the North Pole." fool fool fool
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 7 October 2013 12: 00 New
        +1
        Z.A.M.
        It is a pity that + only one)
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 14: 35 New
        0
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        For Putin, this Serdyukov and others like him, and others like them - KOZYR in his pocket.

        Big +
    3. captain dvv
      captain dvv 9 October 2013 02: 38 New
      0
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      Personally, I have a very mixed attitude to GDP, so the sentences on this case (if any) for me, and for the majority of sane people in the country, will be like a litmus test about the legitimacy of the current government and the GDP itself. I really want to believe that GDP will rehabilitate itself before the people after the not very “successful” first two terms of his presidency. In general, life will show "hu hu." what

      See everything that happens during 13 Putin years
      and still have hope that by the age of 65 he will improve, it is worth a lot. But as they say, blessed is he who believes. Although this is not the place.
  • anip
    anip 7 October 2013 09: 20 New
    17
    A couple of days ago there was generally such an article-information:
    Vasiliev may be released after October 22 - http://www.mk.ru/social/justice/article/2013/10/04/925599-serdyukovskaya-amazonk
    a-vasileva-mozhet-vyiyti-na-svobodu-posle-22-oktyabrya.html
    .
    Quote: os9165
    "We have not 37 year"

    And someone else, besides liberal propaganda, believes that in the 37th innocent lambs fell under the distribution entirely?
    By the way, I already wrote once that with this phrase: ““ We are not the 37th year, ”Mr. Sami, you know, who directly confirmed, if you think about it, that in the 37th they brought people like Taburetkin and his comrades to the mind.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 7 October 2013 09: 50 New
      +3
      That's the thing! I also recently noticed WHO first and foremost, projectors and public money squatters sat down.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 7 October 2013 13: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: mirag2
        That's the thing! I also recently noticed WHO first and foremost, projectors and public money squatters sat down.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 30 New
      +6
      Quote: anip
      Vasiliev may be released after October 22

      And what is she sitting in the dungeon?
      1. anip
        anip 8 October 2013 05: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And what is she sitting in the dungeon?

        She is under arrest. Home, but still arrest. From the point of view of the law - not at large. And the term of stay under house arrest will be counted stopudovo in the term of serving the sentence upon sentencing (if any).
  • Denis
    Denis 7 October 2013 09: 20 New
    24
    These are also on the list!
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 7 October 2013 09: 26 New
      +6
      "What disgusting faces." Can I keep myself?
      1. Denis
        Denis 7 October 2013 09: 29 New
        +6
        Quote: samoletil18
        Can I keep myself?
        Of course, for that and laid out
        Need to know хheroes
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 7 October 2013 09: 40 New
          +2
          Thank! Comrade Lieutenant General!
    2. Ded_smerch
      Ded_smerch 7 October 2013 09: 35 New
      11
      I suggest on the site to get a black raster book)))
      1. Humen
        Humen 7 October 2013 09: 51 New
        +6
        Will you shoot? All must be judged, indisputable. People who ruined the country and ruined it, at least deserve the article "treason to the Motherland." But to shoot ... It is better to confiscate property and for a cordon without money. Let them live in their beloved Europe and it helps them.
        1. denisey
          denisey 7 October 2013 10: 32 New
          +7
          Quote: Humen
          It is better to confiscate property and for a cordon without money. Let them live in their beloved Europe and it helps them

          Dear, do you think that all the accumulations of data from citizens are already over the hill? As an option, I consider it necessary, in my understanding (in the future), to create special-purpose groups for the official destruction of thieves who hide abroad and refuse to give up voluntarily looted public property.
        2. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 7 October 2013 10: 33 New
          +4
          Take away and kick out? No !! let them sit in the zone, snarl the snarls for about 10 years, and then go on the road to the sweet west! Will it ever come? Dreams Dreams! But if they close the stool, then BEAM OF HOPE !!!
          1. Dober
            Dober 7 October 2013 12: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
            let them sit in the zone, snarl the snarls for about 10 years, and then go on the road to the sweet west!

            Well, why so "stupidly scattered potential"? They are all such "insanely talented ludi."
            And that means they can easily earn a ticket to Eldorado. Whoever does not find himself on the wooden scaffolds of his amateur performances "will easily master the kyle or the wheelbarrow."
            Taking into account the “northern coefficients” and the “night hours”, I think that in a couple of years they will drive for themselves a “business class” and a duty-free bubble ...
          2. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 7 October 2013 13: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
            Take away and kick out? No !! let them sit in the zone, snarl the snarl for 10 years

            So uninteresting.

            For life on the minimum wage, and then on the minimum pension (minimum at CURRENT standards) laughing
        3. ale-x
          ale-x 7 October 2013 10: 51 New
          0
          What neher europe? They, not all of course, are state custodians. secrets. Lean them against the wall, let them repent, return the gold stolen and go by the grace of the princess in the north to mend ....
        4. Ded_smerch
          Ded_smerch 7 October 2013 11: 23 New
          0
          Yes, what confiscation ?? Their money and children have long been there, what are you going to take from them? In my opinion, a sensible way is to take them hostage (according to the black booklet;)) and put forward an ultimatum or you will return the loot to the wall within _____ (you can set the clock yourself), oh, how quickly they fuss. )))
        5. captain dvv
          captain dvv 9 October 2013 02: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Humen
          Will you shoot? All must be judged, indisputable. People who ruined the country and ruined it, at least deserve the article "treason to the Motherland." But to shoot ... It is better to confiscate property and for a cordon without money. Let them live in their beloved Europe and it helps them.

          You probably do not know. They have been living there for a long time, but here they are only 'working.'
      2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 7 October 2013 09: 52 New
        +4
        Quote: Ded_smerch
        I suggest on the site to get a black raster book)))

        and what an interesting offer!
        Or make a rating of ministries and departments, it would also be interesting to look at the results!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
          Or make a rating of ministries and departments, it would also be interesting to look at the results!

          And what to look at, he is zero in Africa and zero.
          1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
            GELEZNII_KAPUT 7 October 2013 11: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And what to look at, he is zero in Africa and zero.

            What if it goes up!))
          2. yur
            yur 7 October 2013 22: 07 New
            0
            So besides zero, there are also negative numbers.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Ded_smerch
        I suggest on the site to get a black raster book)))

        It depends on the number of names.
    3. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 7 October 2013 10: 25 New
      +1
      Well, probably not all ....?!
    4. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 7 October 2013 10: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: Denis
      These are also on the list!

      The government, the State Duma, the Federation Council, the leadership of the Investigative Committee, the leadership of the General Prosecutor's Office are also on the list. I insist.
    5. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 7 October 2013 11: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Denis
      These are also on the list!

      but who will touch them. they are monuments
  • Asgard
    Asgard 7 October 2013 09: 22 New
    19
    The main suspect is not named? (Not even the suspect, but the main executor)) Comrade Syrdyukov and K. ......
    Again a farce and an attempt to flush things down the toilet ....
    All adults, Vasilieva (subordinate)) could not do without the orders of a man lying on his own.
    (since it is in the "bend position"))))
    Serdyukov, too, was dependent on the “commander in chief”, who at that moment was not “officially” (but we understand that the “poster” is Dimon Medvedev)) - This is a screen ....
    And Vladimir Vladimirovich is also a puppet, says ONE, makes and signs, OTHER ....
    Mismatch ...... spurious resonance ....
    In this vein, no system can live (including-man))
    So THIS is not the climax .... (here we will correct the respected Alexei Volodin)))
    This is PRE-PEOPLE))))
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 7 October 2013 09: 38 New
      +5
      Here we have already come to the line that IM is terribly crossed. Behind her, apparently, this will begin to open ... So, most likely, the top wants to hush up the matter. And it would be hushed up, but such publicity does not allow it so immediately. That's what it is climax. Further it will already be seen: where is the matter going.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 33 New
        +6
        Quote: samoletil18
        And it would be hushed up, but such publicity does not allow it so immediately.

        If you wanted to hush up, then there would be no criminal case in principle.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 10: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Normal redistribution of spheres

          I agree, the change of ownership, no more.
        2. novobranets
          novobranets 7 October 2013 16: 06 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          If they wanted to hush up, then in principle there would be no criminal case.

          The main defendants would have traditionally found incurable terrible diseases, and the Duma would have restrained grins while standing at the coffins in the honor guard.
    2. ale-x
      ale-x 7 October 2013 10: 54 New
      +1
      Serdyukov puppy. He also has patrons, few know their names, but who knows them aloud, or as they do not mention in vain in the scripture ...
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 7 October 2013 13: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: ale-x
        Serdyukov puppy. He also has patrons, few know their names
        1. Fin
          Fin 7 October 2013 14: 07 New
          0
          And the head of the Federal Tax Service? The source is not reliable.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 7 October 2013 17: 21 New
            0
            Quote: Fin
            And the head of the Federal Tax Service? The source is not reliable.

            This is not a biography, but a reminder of who he was.
      2. captain dvv
        captain dvv 9 October 2013 02: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: ale-x
        Serdyukov puppy. He also has patrons, few know their names, but who knows them aloud, or as they do not mention in vain in the scripture ...

        Come on.
        Turn on the first and immediately see these patrons led by the main.
        The people are not stupid and judging by the comments everyone knows everything.
  • Turkestan
    Turkestan 7 October 2013 09: 23 New
    +6
    Such cases have no statute of limitations. Sooner or later, everyone will get their
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 7 October 2013 10: 03 New
      +1
      I think that the defendants will not object much if they are told that they will answer somewhere in 100 or even 200 years.
    2. kostya_a
      kostya_a 7 October 2013 10: 25 New
      +3
      Strange, Yeltsin and Co. have not yet received!
    3. ale-x
      ale-x 7 October 2013 10: 56 New
      +2
      I don’t understand how they qualified these matters? To hell with all these articles, it should sound like a betrayal of the motherland, and the trio should judge.
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 7 October 2013 09: 25 New
    +9
    The most effective measure, in my opinion, is confiscation! about which the catch phrase says: “After all, everything that was acquired by back-breaking labor was stolen (read, taken away).”
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 7 October 2013 09: 51 New
      +6
      A confiscation incidentally, Putin canceled ...
      What do you say about this?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 35 New
        +5
        Quote: mirag2
        A confiscation incidentally, Putin canceled ...
        What do you say about this?

        But isn't Yeltsin? But if Putin, then he appointed Serdyukov to the post of Defense Ministry. What can I say, but nothing request
      2. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 7 October 2013 17: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: mirag2
        A confiscation incidentally, Putin canceled ...


        YOU'RE RIGHTS: In 2003, confiscation was canceled by Federal Law of December 8, 2003 No. 162. The legislator explained this as a step towards the humanization of the punishment system in the Russian Federation. Putin, of course, signed.
        A NEED SO:
        1. yur
          yur 7 October 2013 22: 14 New
          +2
          It’s warmer right in my heart. Not only a "comrade", but a "citizen". What kind of a comrade is he for us.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 10: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Dwarfik
      The most effective measure, in my opinion, is confiscation!

      This measure will be especially effective after the execution.
  • RussianRu
    RussianRu 7 October 2013 09: 31 New
    +4
    It is necessary to change, for bureaucrats, investigative measures. Not the UK should seek evidence of guilt bureaucrats, and the bureaucrats themselves must provide evidence of their innocence. Let them provide checks for the purchase of everything and a declaration of income. Then they explain why there is no connection in this and where the budget money disappeared. And the UK will check all their answers to the questions posed. Here the real work will be for the lawyers of the suspects. And then, they are only trying to look for doubts about the evidence base or to turn arrows on witnesses, like; -he (the witness) himself is not sinless, he drinks vodka, his brother (sister) has a criminal record, etc.
    1. Big
      Big lexey 7 October 2013 10: 26 New
      +1
      Let them provide receipts for the purchase of everything and a declaration of income.
      Under such conditions, no one can ever take for ... (everyone can substitute the necessary word) these "comrades". It is incredibly simple to make a sales receipt for a diamond necklace with the price of plastic jewelry ... And the seller will not have to pay VAT ... And who will sue the seller that he sold at a loss?
      PS Serdyukov, and only he (and not Oboronservis or Vasiliev, or someone else) is for me (and I think for the majority of those who are following this investigation) that litmus test that will show the legitimacy of the current government, its attitude towards the opinion of the people. And based on this, I will make a decision in the next election. Serdyukov will leave the answer - not to see the more effective power of my voice. Under no circumstances!
  • awg75
    awg75 7 October 2013 09: 35 New
    +9
    when this reptile is planted, I’ll drink a stack of joy!
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 7 October 2013 09: 47 New
      +5
      Toast: "For a miracle!" drinks
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 35 New
      +7
      Quote: awg75
      when this reptile is planted, I’ll drink a stack of joy!

      I understand you are not a drinker laughing
    3. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 7 October 2013 10: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: awg75
      when this reptile is planted, I’ll drink a stack of joy!

      instead of imprisoned, I’ll get drunk with grief fellow
      1. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 7 October 2013 17: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
        and not put


        ONLY SO REFINE!
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 7 October 2013 09: 37 New
    +6
    It is obvious that all these "defense service" torments have long been able to step beyond the framework of a regular criminal case. This is, in fact, about the prestige of the country, about the ability of the authorities to effectively manage the state, about the ability to build a common legal field for all (and not just for the elect). Therefore, it depends on the end result of this extensive business that there is no need to conceal, and the level of people's confidence in the Russian authorities.

    I completely agree with the author.
    BUT!
    For some reason, the feeling does not leave me that if all this has not yet become a farce, it will become.sad
  • mirag2
    mirag2 7 October 2013 09: 39 New
    +3
    Yes, everything is stupid. Serdyukov is purely otmazan. He’s Zubkov’s son-in-law, Zubkov steers “Gazprom.” And this is bad, because it shows that the rule of law is not up to par.
    Serdyukov will never sit down.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: mirag2
      . He's son-in-law Zubkov-

      Former
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 7 October 2013 10: 41 New
        +1
        Former? Well then maybe it will sit down ...
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 7 October 2013 11: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: mirag2
          Former? Well then maybe it will sit down ...

          C'mon ... To the extremes of another father-in-law will find, well, maybe my mother-in-law ... And it's never too late to get married. With such a fuck ... laughing
      2. falcon
        falcon 7 October 2013 13: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: mirag2
        . He's son-in-law Zubkov-

        Former

        So for treason his wife was rash and removed from office. And embezzlement,
        the collapse of the army - this is just the cost of violent "reform" activities
        Serdyukov (with whom it does not happen, well, do not judge for this?) :))
        1. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 7 October 2013 17: 52 New
          +5
          Did not expect reactions and consequences!

          Quote: falcon
          (with whom it does not happen, well, do not judge the same for this?) :))

          WE HAVE EVERYTHING AGAIN!
          1. michajlo
            michajlo 7 October 2013 19: 37 New
            +2
            Hello, Alexander!

            Thank you for the picture and the text on it. good
            But the idea itself is good and simple, truly folk art is inexhaustible.
  • SolomonSS
    SolomonSS 7 October 2013 09: 40 New
    +8
    And what do we wonder, Serdyukov and Co., do you think worked without patrons? And as our “dear” Medvedev spoke about the work efficiency of citizen Serdyukov, probably Dmitry’s accounts were effectively replenished in Swiss banks, and not only him, if he passes as a witness, but the rest of the company is enclosed as much as he can. Even if they give real terms, they will simply be taken abroad and they will live there, and be listed in the colony. "This is Russia, you need to relax" - as everywhere in VK is full of ...
  • dmb
    dmb 7 October 2013 09: 43 New
    +9
    No, all the same, some of our fellow citizens are charming in their naivety. Tell me, which of those involved, including Serdyukov, the notorious "liberalist"? They are all strong statesmen. Of course, in the understanding of these words, which is characteristic of the current "strong statesmen" who appointed them to their posts. Who will explain to me. What significance does the Olympics have in bringing to criminal responsibility Puzikov and Serdyukov? Or is the main "strong statesman" afraid that they will testify undermining his luminous image?
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 7 October 2013 09: 47 New
    +3
    hi And they will give "Senire for a total of 9 years, but CONDITION ... no matter what.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 7 October 2013 09: 47 New
    14
    I understand why the nomenclature, both then and now, so hates Comrade Stalin, because the nomenclature is apolitical, it only seeks to seize power, as happened after the Civil War, when they sorted out all internal enemies, drove the White Guards to Galipoli, and decided that Now they’ll heal like kings, but the fact that the country with the richest in resources is bent from hunger, they don’t care, the machines themselves are state-owned, the suits are overseas, the dishes are different, then you have everything for life, a little paradise in the midst of desolation and ruin, and then someone comes and makes WORK! HORROR! Go to this dirty, evil and alien people and build communism? But they have already built it for themselves! And here at 37 from a warm soft armchair to the raw basement! They all perfectly understood why they sat down, and therefore confessions flowed of them by the river, only manage to write down. In 91 the nomenclature threw out party tickets, "reforged" but the essence remained the same, Serdyukov is the canonical embodiment of this very nomenclature, a person by chance he got upstairs on friendly or family ties, without a “roof”, he is insignificant and understands this very well and is trying to grab as much as possible so far, all this is as old as the world and Putin is a product of the very nomenclature and its obedient slave, who has also grabbed enough. And he will not give up his accomplice Serdyukov, for it means putting up blood for himself.
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 7 October 2013 13: 17 New
      0
      That's right, just not "reforging", but changing shoes. laughing
  • pahom54
    pahom54 7 October 2013 09: 48 New
    +9
    Quote: ... "... Obviously, all these" defense-service "torments have long gone beyond the scope of a normal criminal case. This case, in fact, is about the prestige of the country, about the ability of the authorities to effectively manage the state, about the ability to build a single all (and not just for the elite) legal field ... "...
    I would like to add that 3 (or 6) billion rubles is only that which lay on top and is proved by the investigators, i.e. I have no doubt that the amount of theft is many, tens and hundreds of times higher.
    It is also very strange that Mr. Stool doesn’t even pass as a witness, it turns out that he is already channeling as a victim ???
    I would like to know if I or my subordinates in the old days stole a sum hundreds of times smaller than these ogloedy stole, what would happen to us ??? CORRECTLY, SHOT !!! Indeed, in Soviet times, if you stole more than 10 rubles, it was already a firing squad. Well, if my subordinates had stolen, no one would have believed that I, as a boss, didn’t know anything, and I would have gone just not under a firing squad, but for 000-8 years this is for sure - for negligence, etc.
    There are a great many such thefts in Russia, but this case with Oboronservis and the Minister of Defense as a litmus test shows all the putrefaction of our rulers. Putin doesn’t even understand that by letting this thing go on the brakes, he will lose respect in the eyes of many people.
    Or maybe it is respect - he doesn’t need to ???
    1. creak
      creak 7 October 2013 10: 07 New
      +7
      They will only be planted when they stole too little or stole and did not share. Serdyukov and his gang acted not in a vacuum and not for one year ... Were you afraid to scare? And regarding the presence of conscience in such characters, one cannot lose something that has never happened ....
    2. stroporez
      stroporez 7 October 2013 10: 15 New
      +1
      me, like any Russian, of course, it’s nice to watch when the "import" cladding is put into manure ....... but in Russia it’s what
      Quote: pahom54
      this respect - he does not need tries ???
    3. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 9 October 2013 17: 03 New
      0
      Quote: pahom54
      Putin doesn’t even understand that by letting this thing go on the brakes, he will lose respect in the eyes of many people.


      But does he need it, our respect? He would not be sick without him. After all, respect means distance!
  • rennim
    rennim 7 October 2013 09: 56 New
    +2
    Putin doesn’t even understand that by letting this thing go on the brakes, he will lose respect in the eyes of many people.
    Or maybe it is respect - he doesn’t need to ???

    Understands ... how else. He’s just a hostage himself.
  • major071
    major071 7 October 2013 09: 59 New
    +6
    Two sour friends - (Medvedev and Serdyukov or vice versa). One ruined the whole army and crucified it, the other covered it up and put it in a pocket. Hand washes a hand.
    It is just that this matter needs to be given great publicity so that the people would know and see how the authorities can solve this problem. Really sort it out or lower it again on the brakes.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: major071
      Two sour friends - (Medvedev and Serdyukov or vice versa). One ruined the whole army and crucified it, another covered it

      What, but what did Medvedev put Serdyukov in the post of Defense Ministry?
  • SolomonSS
    SolomonSS 7 October 2013 10: 03 New
    19
    Here is such a reaction now, to people in Russia.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 7 October 2013 10: 13 New
      +6
      laughed. I imagined that they were reading us and were talking about us in the subject))
      1. Valery Neonov
        Valery Neonov 8 October 2013 03: 20 New
        0
        They do not "fade", they do not pay attention .... they have their own:
  • zveroboy61
    zveroboy61 7 October 2013 10: 06 New
    +2
    It seems to me that they will not slow down. Dates will be different, softer. And if it is a brake, then all of Putin’s policies and efforts to increase the consciousness of citizens will go to waste.
  • v.lyamkin
    v.lyamkin 7 October 2013 10: 06 New
    +3
    Vasilieva’s lawyer is right: well, what is it, except that she did it, these are jurisdictional acts? Now, if she had stolen a bag of potatoes, then yes, she would have been planted.
    And if that was the little things, then this is the little things. After all, even the group is not traceable. She did everything herself: both her signatures and Serdyukov, transferred the objects to herself and then she herself sold them at market prices. Where is the group? But no!
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 7 October 2013 10: 12 New
    +7
    If the case is closed, she will sue for moral damages. It will earn a little more, a couple of IC employees will be expelled without a pension, hello sweet capitalism.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 7 October 2013 10: 12 New
    +1
    But I’m very interested in the verdict of the court, I hope it will still be.
    And then everything will be clear: who, how much, and to whom.
    Wait.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 October 2013 10: 40 New
      +7
      Quote: aszzz888
      But I’m very interested in the verdict of the court, I hope it will still be.
      On behalf of the Russian Federation ............ the court sentenced ....
      Serdyukov and Vasilva to lifelong state security and pay them at a time 100 million each, for illegal prosecution by the investigation hi
  • vitek1233
    vitek1233 7 October 2013 10: 14 New
    0
    This is the mafia, and who they don (M or P) is not clear bully
    1. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 7 October 2013 10: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: vitek1233
      This is the mafia, and who they don (M or P) is not clear

      Who is "pres ...", that and "... don."
    2. ale-x
      ale-x 7 October 2013 10: 57 New
      +1
      It does not matter who exactly, for FAMILY.
  • Hleb
    Hleb 7 October 2013 10: 15 New
    +2
    and Serdyukov is not a blunder, Vasiliev is nothing to him. soft!
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 7 October 2013 10: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: mirag2
    A confiscation incidentally, Putin canceled ...
    What do you say about this?

    I expressed my opinion about an effective measure, and the abolition of certain measures is the topic of another article.
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 7 October 2013 10: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: Ded_smerch
    I suggest on the site to get a black raster book)))

    the main thing is not the form. The main thing is attention to all of them. And you can start small with an assessment of the activities of ALL THEM, at least to start on this site. And there, look! ..
  • Lissyara
    Lissyara 7 October 2013 10: 18 New
    +7
    I hope that, if the law is observed, all the charges against Vasilyeva will be dropped due to the absence of corpus delicti in her actions. We believe that the case will not even go to court.
    So tired of these "empty juggling of the shutter." As long as the military would love to build a wall of high-quality brick, which then flaunted a plate with the text "For all the pain of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Thieves were shot here."
    And what to say about our elite? Am I to blame? It means falling below the baseboard. The usual "friendly" exchange "you to me, I to you."
    - Tolya, “send me Khodorkovsky’s“ mittens ”, and I’ll give the Ministry of Defense I’ll steer them for the merits after the Federal Tax Service ... Narulil, b .. We still cannot leave.
    Yes, any governor of a civilized country would have resigned for such matters (in a banana state, they would probably have eaten that).
    1. fedorovith
      fedorovith 8 October 2013 10: 49 New
      0
      The fact is that the real rulers of the country are not highlighted, although they appear on the screens, and so many guess.
  • intsurfer
    intsurfer 7 October 2013 10: 20 New
    +4
    Dyk and Vasilyeva’s paintings turned out to be fakes ... They will suffer another year or two and become "Heroes of Russia" ...
    1. T-73
      T-73 7 October 2013 12: 34 New
      +3
      Cinderella, spruces, after 24-00. Soon brulik with gold in the case will go like gypsy jewelry, the hut will turn out to be shared, and if the walls are torn down, then it will be odnushka. not solid for such a lady? but the center. Next on the list
  • Betahon
    Betahon 7 October 2013 10: 21 New
    +6
    Wait a minute! ... A betrayal of the homeland in the form of serious damage to its defenses ?!
    1. captain dvv
      captain dvv 9 October 2013 02: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Betahon
      Wait a minute! ... A betrayal of the homeland in the form of serious damage to its defenses ?!

      Which homeland. That's the question. After all, the children and grandchildren of the GDP, Lavrov, Yakunin are no longer here. So according to their concepts, they did not change their homeland.
  • intsurfer
    intsurfer 7 October 2013 10: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: Betahon
    Wait a minute! ... A betrayal of the homeland in the form of serious damage to its defenses ?!

    the question is what is their homeland, to which they caused damage. Google on YouTube a video of a discussion of the Rockefeller fight with the Rothschilds for influence on the Kremlin ... It will be very sad ...
  • sven27
    sven27 7 October 2013 10: 24 New
    +5
    Landing will not be! Serdyukov is an effective manager, but he doesn’t give up his GDP!
    just disgusting all this ...
    1. Crocodile
      Crocodile 7 October 2013 11: 23 New
      +5
      The man who surrendered the Kursk and drowned Krymsk does not give up HIS!
      And for the people of our government for a long time ... nat!
  • toliyn19
    toliyn19 7 October 2013 10: 30 New
    +5
    Quote: Betahon
    Wait a minute! ... A betrayal of the homeland in the form of serious damage to its defenses ?!

    Which homeland? They did not change theirs, but on ours they .....
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 7 October 2013 10: 59 New
      0
      Where not to throw - everywhere a wedge. Byad - chagrin ..
  • aepocmam
    aepocmam 7 October 2013 10: 36 New
    +3
    For me, so do not let her plant. Vasilyeva’s landing is not as scary as total confiscation. And to sit for 5-6 years at the rate of $ 1 million per month. But who would not agree for such money. But then live for your own pleasure and do not deny yourself anything. So what am I for TOTAL CONFISCATION. And whether she will sit or not, it does not matter.
  • aepocmam
    aepocmam 7 October 2013 10: 36 New
    0
    For me, so do not let her plant. Vasilyeva’s landing is not as scary as total confiscation. And to sit for 5-6 years at the rate of $ 1 million per month. But who would not agree for such money. But then live for your own pleasure and do not deny yourself anything. So what am I for TOTAL CONFISCATION. And whether she will sit or not, it does not matter.
  • Ross
    Ross 7 October 2013 10: 39 New
    +4
    "We have not 37 year" I hope after the Olympics we will have 37 year, otherwise the country is already suffocating from liberals, bribe takers and other evil spirits. Play and have enough!


    The country has come to the brink of patience ...
  • FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 7 October 2013 10: 41 New
    +2
    Why wasn’t I surprised no
    We will soon hear that they were the victims of unknown scammers.
    1. Crocodile
      Crocodile 7 October 2013 11: 19 New
      0
      It seems after a verdict of not guilty, the stools will bring a counterclaim to the state for moral damage and lost economic profits - so that dear taxpayers will have to atone for us with the ruble against us!
  • patriot2
    patriot2 7 October 2013 10: 42 New
    +6
    I’m again about CONSCIENCE, neither Vasilyeva, Smetanova + accomplices, nor the “furniture maker” has it. Those who committed theft on such a scale will never have it either. Their homeland is not Russia, they are devoted only to the golden calf, "dough", "brulik" and always have the opportunity to dump to where they will live happily, laughing at the Russians and the country where they stole it! Thieves do not have a conscience, have not had and never will!
  • Georgic
    Georgic 7 October 2013 10: 45 New
    +5
    And here is conscience? The regime does not give up. He keeps on that. Otherwise, everything will float with them.
  • sanyabasik
    sanyabasik 7 October 2013 10: 58 New
    +5
    If you think thanks to whom winked the very fact of robbery of the people by such figures as Serdyukov with his sour cream and basil ... became possible, then the question is automatically removed that one of them will "sit" in conditions worse than 13-room "cell" with boutiques, service Mercedes and housekeepers.
  • fklj
    fklj 7 October 2013 11: 00 New
    +2
    If they are found guilty, (if), then they will immediately be released under an amnesty. Thief in the Russian Federation - an inviolable person!
  • Byordovvv1
    Byordovvv1 7 October 2013 11: 04 New
    +4
    All embezzlement took place over the years in the open, in the eyes of the military prosecutor's office. First of all, the prosecutors themselves should have been dismissed and convicted, with the tacit consent of which they plundered the Army. It is necessary to follow Serdyukov’s gang to these corruption cases to check their activities in the tax authorities of St. Petersburg, where they went through a school for the distribution and blackmail of entrepreneurs. I think that they grabbed there and not a few. And the Chief Military Prosecutor simply does not have a place in this system. I will never believe that he could not know and give a legal assessment of the actions of his subordinates on the facts of global thefts in the RF Armed Forces by a group (gang) of Serdyukov. Maybe double standards are enough! What our guarantor of the constitution is looking at!
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  • akv0571
    akv0571 7 October 2013 11: 10 New
    +5
    Serdyukov, he himself is a pawn, I don’t think that he himself did all this. And they’ll put them on the account - they won’t put it, they’ve already passed; Accident at the Sayano-Shushinskaya hydroelectric station. There are only 80 corpses, and direct losses of 45 billion.
    And who was jailed for this? And how much longer will the investigation go?
    They’ll probably do the same here. They will kill for about 5 years and there it will be forgotten.
    And if they get to Serdyukov so that they don’t talk about the owners, they will find him with a shot head and a note that he pulled the trigger.
    1. military
      military 7 October 2013 12: 42 New
      0
      Quote: akv0571
      And if they get to Serdyukov so that they don’t talk about the owners, they will find him with a shot head and a note that he pulled the trigger.

      and next to those who "got" ... for prevention ... so that the rest would not be too zealous ...
  • Black
    Black 7 October 2013 11: 11 New
    +1
    They will condemn. Will give 3-4 years. The year has already "served", the rest will comfortably spend on which thread of the state building.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 7 October 2013 11: 20 New
      +4
      quote- Here's how! The lawyer does not bother either the fact that in his apartment at that time his operatives discovered 57 thousand (!) Precious stones with a total mass (together with precious metals) of 19 kilograms, nor that for earning the amount of funds needed to purchase 19 kg of diamonds , rubies, emeralds, gold and platinum, a whole set of expensive watches, Evgenia Vasilyeva had to work tirelessly, work at least three of her lives ...



      Well, finally, they brought the case to court, the gentlemen of the jury started to break the ice, otherwise everything is around, there will be a trial and .......will justify her, if she is sitting in a compartment with Serdyukov, and since he is only witnessing the case, what to take with Vasilyeva. If you are sitting in a crowd or nobody. Well, they’ll make one or two extremes, and let the poor thing go. Serdyukov is busy, another is taking care of Serdyukov, the third is well for the other, etc. Everything is captured and connected.
  • Crocodile
    Crocodile 7 October 2013 11: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: Lantau
    Are these people really lost conscience?

    What conscience can we talk about!
    These nonhumans seem to have been born without this “atavism”, they understand only power - but at the moment in our country there are no people who can bring them to justice!