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The commander of the armored forces of Israel no longer relies only on tanks

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The commander of the armored forces of Israel no longer relies only on tanks

Brigadier General Tsafrir with his daughter Arava.



Brigadier General Ofer Zafrir (עופר צפריר) knows that tank the brigades should again find their place on the battlefield, but I am sure that there is no replacement for tanks in a fleeting and efficient battle. And if army reductions are already being carried out, then not large and very modern armored troops are needed. Interview.

Before leaving the post held, the commander of the armored forces of Tsahal Ofer Tsafrir arrived to bid farewell to the command of the Bnei Or division at the Tsahala proving ground in the Arava valley. He put on his jumpsuit and almost took his place in one of the tanks participating in the company exercises in order to demonstrate his skills in shooting. Suddenly, from one of the tanks, his daughter, a military serviceman, Arava, appeared. "What are you doing here?" he asked in amazement. “Dad, I can’t believe that you’ve parted with armored troops, so I decided to see it with my own eyes,” Arava replied after embracing the warm embrace of a proud father. “This is not an easy moment for me, and I don’t like goodbyes,” she said, “But I’m happy that you’re here. Let's go see what your father has been doing all this time. Ready?”

Clouds of dust enveloped the tank. The roar of the engine indicates that everyone is fastened and that the tank engages in battle with a conditional enemy scattered with barrels. After some time, the tanks return to the collection point. Not all the targets were destroyed for these short exercises and Brigadier General Tsafrir has his own explanation for what we saw through binoculars: "I have problematic hands. In every tank in which I fix, there is a problem with electronics. As if I were making a short circuit with them." His daughter, who was all this time in the chair of the instructor of the tank mounted on the turret, and swallowed a huge amount of dust, jumping off the tank and assured everyone that she had received indescribable pleasure. Tankers do not hurry to believe it. After a while, we meet in an air-conditioned room to discuss Israeli tanks.


We swallow the dust. Tsafrir and his daughter Arava on the tank.


We are not talking at the most pleasant time for a tank corps. The general director of the Ministry of Defense, reserve general Udi Shani (אודי שני), a tanker himself in the past, announced a reduction in the production of Merkava tanks.
"It has already been reduced. A production plan for the Merkava 4 to 2020 has been developed."


In connection with the reduction in the production of tanks, what is the relevance of the tank in the next war for which the Tsakhal is preparing?
"We came to the conclusion that in the Middle East they seize the initiative and win by maneuver and fire. Besides Kosovo (where the air component prevailed, AB), none of the wars were won by fire. Therefore, the General Staff decided that in a future war Maneuver and fire will be the determining factors. Do you want the maneuver to be short, fast, efficient, producing powerful fire and bringing results as quickly as possible? The only one capable of such in the army is a tank corps. The tank corps, not tanks. relevant when a combat group consisting of two tank companies, a mechanized company, an auxiliary company (Keshet mortar, possibility of observation and reconnaissance using UAVs and other secret means, AB) was created. This unit knows how to make a decisive maneuver. "


We need a short, fast and efficient maneuver. Merkava 4.



Journalist Razi Barkai (רזי ברקאי) made a broadcast on army radio about the place of the tank in modern combat. Are you angry then at the very question?
“Yes. I remember. Avigdor Kahalani (אביגדור קהלני) informed me about it. I think that for those who understand what a maneuver is, this question is generally out of place. . It's just impossible. "


How to deal with modern anti-tank weapons Hezbollah, Syria and Hamas?
"There are three things that can delay a maneuver: anti-tank missiles, land mines and shelling along the hinged trajectory of gathering places and crossings. With anti-tank missiles, we are generally very good at coping. We have the ability to detect them, escort and intercept. We have a new projectile that we The Calanite was already used in the Gaza Strip. It was they who destroyed the Egyptian BPM that broke into Israel a year ago. There is an active protection package for the Windbreaker, which was successfully used twice in Gaza. Al is not an appropriate response. "

“So what’s better? A hairy-breasted infantryman covered by a bullet-proof vest going into battle alone? There must be something complex. There are some who say I’ll send an Armored BTR into battle, but he doesn’t have a weapon. He’s not capable of firing at close and long distances. Intention is not capable of destroying a building or getting a projectile into the window of the third floor of a building. I don’t mean only tanks. I never said that only tanks are needed. I’m talking about armored vehicles and infantry. I’m talking about integrated combat. the earliest achievement of the goal. During the second l Van war during the shelling of buildings ATGM killed as much as the infantry and tank crews in the tanks. "


In light of the talk of a reduction in the tank fleet, do you not think that you and your colleagues personally did not manage to convince the tank crew of the need for tanks in the next war? Otherwise, how do you explain the situation in which the tank corps was now?
"In the end, it turned out that an elephant was made of a fly. In the end, the General Staff accepted the proposal I submitted to the commander of the land forces. It is that as a result of the restructuring, there will be three infantrymen for every two tankers. As for the reduction of tanks, day we are the only force in the army, after the Air Force, capable of waging a network war. I mean that when I discover a target, I can transfer it in real time to anyone I want - by helicopter, artillery Seria, infantry or others. I have every soldier with the rank of sergeant and above can get and use the information coming to him. What is the idea? Keep tank brigades that cost us a lot of money, or be less, but better quality and when all the tanks in the network by means of advanced protected technologies? What would all tanks have similar qualities, including night vision systems, commanding sights, the best available systems? From such a tank will be more good. So we will have some great tank brigades. "


Teachings with the participation of Brigadier General Tsafrir.



Ehud Barak (אהוד ברק) spoke more than ten years ago about a small and intelligent army. He was nearly ate alive for it. Now this is basically the same thing, what are you telling me now? Again, a small, smart army?

"A very smart army, of much better quality, more deadly, accurate, fast and able to better use the battalion due to the fact that it is in the network. The units will be able to quickly detect the enemy and destroy it faster and be able to exchange information with all the troops. compare the capabilities of the Merkava 4 tank on a mountain road in Lebanon with the Merkava 1 tank. "


I understand that you were measured with the reduction of tanks.
"I have not measured. I did not initiate this process, but also did not agree that the economic effect of this reduction is very small. Do you know how much a kilometer of the Merkava 4 tank is costing? 4700 shekels ($ 1300). How much does the Calanite shell cost? 30000 shekels ( $ 8500.) I understand that with this money it is not possible to support everyone else. I say, let's stay with less, but with what is needed. What would have been well-trained forces of the reserve and the regular army. The commander of the tank battalion is irreplaceable. all the generals agreed. Today the tank commander the talona receives real-time information from five intelligence agencies simultaneously and is able to instantly react to what is happening. Everything is digital now. It distributes targets and opens fire from all tanks. We have the most relevant set of capabilities necessary for modern warfare. "


Some very high-ranking officials of the Ministry of Defense consider tanks an inhibiting factor in the fighting in the past three decades.
“I’m familiar with similar arguments. I reject them. I had to reject them even before people who did not realize what had changed in Hezbollah. Hezbollah intensified in two areas that were most important for infantry - shooting at a hinged trajectory for small distances, in the style of mortars only much more efficient and land mines. We forgot what it is. During the Cast Lead operation, special problems were delivered to us by land mines and Hezbollah only strengthened in this area. How much more will we carry? After all, this is a serious threat. It threatens the infantry, Inmera and then Therefore, we need to think differently and tanks have an effective answer. "


I can not forget the beginning of the Second Lebanon War when the tank headed for its permanent observant position despite the warning of explosive devices and was blown up. Throughout the day, under heavy fire, searched for the remains of soldiers.
"During the Cast Lead operation, one mortar shell stopped the Golani at 12 hours. Ask the infantry brigade what tanks gave them during the Cast Lead operation. Our contribution was to the most complex urban development. What did they need? Real-time shelter movement to stop the abduction of soldiers and IEDs exploding from all sides with powerful fire. There were mined buildings that only bulldozers and tanks could cope with. Today we are able to send a projectile through the window of the building. so a thousand times stronger in the fight against Hezbollah. We know it, and do not assume. I am sure that the General Staff was not wrong when making decisions. "


Israeli armored vehicles during Operation Cast Lead on the Gaza border, January 2009.



During Operation Cloud Pillar, we saw you with the commanders of battalions and brigades before starting a ground operation. You give instructions, check the level of readiness. Were at the height of combat readiness. Do you have a feeling of missed opportunities in connection with the failed ground part of the operation?
"I will tell you two mutually exclusive things. The infantryman, unlike a pilot and a sailor, is usually in a daze. We don’t know where the enemy is hiding. I can’t tell you, for example, that Hezbollah’s 40 building is located. they see an enemy plane, one or two booms. Fighting uncertainty is our daily bread. We have been brought up on this. On the other hand, we have been trained to fight and want to prove ourselves in battle. Nobody wants to fight only to fight, but we want to show our skills so that once and for all sew a rocket attack problem. Operation Cast Lead proved that where the ground part of the operation was carried out, the rocket attacks decreased or ceased altogether. "


What would happen if tanks were used in operation Cloud Pillar?
“We would have achieved excellent results. It would have been a combined battle. I’m the commander of armored troops, and tank armies. Take for example the 401 Brigade, the best tanks in the world. I’ve been in all the tanks and therefore I declare to you that these are the best tanks in the world but not a tank brigade. My battalions consist not only of tanks. "


A Tsakhala soldier sleeps on a tank on the border with Gaza during Operation Cloud Pillar, November 2012.



Society senses the smell of an approaching war both in the north and in the south. What can you promise us?
"I can promise you that we have reached an excellent level of combat readiness and for the benefit of all, we will try to end the next war in the shortest possible time. At the completion ceremony of the tank commander courses last week I said: Do not think that the next war can happen during your service, and assume that you will definitely have to participate in the next war, that it will be now. Now it's your turn to fight. The situation is not very simple and you should expect it to become even more complicated. Prepare for the war to happen her shift. Other options do not exist. "


Current costs for the maintenance of tanks, as you have already explained, are growing from year to year. Can you already imagine what the future tank of Tsahal will look like?
"The future tank will not be with a nuclear engine. It will be a hybrid. I don’t think it will be a tank, but rather a combat armored vehicle, the most advanced at the time. It will have the best capabilities needed by the battalion. We understand that it’s impossible to hang everything possible for one machine. We don’t want a Merkava 5. It’s impossible for one machine to be able to fight land mines, cannon artillery, precision weapons, fire for kilometers, and also to be fast, highly protected, fuel efficient , could transport infantry and hit targets in tall buildings. We carefully studied what happened to the Americans. Because of all such operational demands placed on the car, they ended up with nothing. We need an armored vehicle to fight in a limited space and some of the solutions They will not be installed on the same machine, but on different machines of the same battalion. Want to fight land mines? There will be one such machine. Against anti-tank weapons? Another machine can handle it. The advantage will be in the synergy of the battalion. "


You served in the tank corps of the Israel Defense Forces 26 for years. There were difficult periods. Choose one moment that you will remember forever.
"The most comprehensive and best moment in my career was during Cast Lead operation, where I was the brigade commander. It was a feeling of entering the war. But the most beautiful moment was when my three tank battalions were the last to remain in Palestinian territory for another 48 hours. I then they were told that we would not repeat the exit from Lebanon. As a result, we went out in the daytime with flags on the tanks. There were flags of the state of Israel and armored troops on each tank. We slowly and defiantly left Gaza. Purposefully. It is this moment that I don’t hen will not forget. "
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  1. Aristocrat
    Aristocrat 4 October 2013 12: 01 New
    +13
    Whatever you say, despite the anti-Semitic views of most of our compatriots, Israeli troops have both good equipment and people who can fight on it. Why.
    Suddenly, from one of the tanks appeared his daughter, a member of the conscript, Arava.

    And with our generals, sons live their lives in nightclubs or serve urgent ?;)
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 4 October 2013 12: 10 New
      +4
      Judging by the frequent articles about the Israeli army, the question arises, why would it? OUR Gusian government decided to unite the army?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 4 October 2013 12: 14 New
        +4
        We have a new shell that we already managed to use in the Gaza Strip called Kalanit. It was he who destroyed the Egyptian BPM that burst into Israel a year ago

        Found how to draw. BMP can be destroyed with a simple fragmentation shell.
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 4 October 2013 14: 18 New
          +3
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          We have a new shell that we already managed to use in the Gaza Strip called Kalanit. It was he who destroyed the Egyptian BPM that burst into Israel a year ago

          Found how to draw. BMP can be destroyed with a simple fragmentation shell.

          And from RPG it is possible.
          1. Professor
            4 October 2013 15: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: ed65b
            And from RPG it is possible.

            Or you can use a Molotov cocktail. That's just not from the distance at which this BMP was soaked.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 5 October 2013 13: 24 New
              +4
              Quote: Professor
              Or you can use a Molotov cocktail



              this is the topic good open space for the Professor fellow right here he will accelerate his speed laughing
        2. SAG
          SAG 5 October 2013 05: 12 New
          +1
          On request in Google: Kalanit ... produces a flower similar to poppy and beauty salons. From its brain preservation there is a similar Kaolinite, if simpler, then stupidly Clay!
          In short, such a shell BMP destroy this pride! love fellow
          1. Professor
            5 October 2013 12: 01 New
            0
            Quote: SAG
            On request in Google: Kalanit ... produces a flower similar to poppy and beauty salons. From its brain preservation there is a similar Kaolinite, if simpler, then stupidly Clay!

            Request a Pinocchio or a Zoo in Google and together we will laugh at Russian weapons? fool
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 4 October 2013 12: 22 New
        +4
        We do not want Merkava 5
        Finally came. The best typewriter of Israel was the United States Typewriter. laughing
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 4 October 2013 14: 19 New
      +6
      Quote: Aristocrat
      Whatever you say, despite the anti-Semitic views of most of our compatriots, Israeli troops have both good equipment and people who can fight on it. Why.
      Suddenly, from one of the tanks appeared his daughter, a member of the conscript, Arava.

      And with our generals, sons live their lives in nightclubs or serve urgent ?;)

      You shouldn’t be so. At our military generals, children not only serve in the army, but also perished in Chechnya.
      1. Professor
        4 October 2013 15: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: ed65b
        You shouldn’t be so. At our military generals, children not only serve in the army, but also perished in Chechnya.

        Interested in. The Minister of Defense of Russia in which regiment did the children serve? What about other ministers? Chief of General Staff?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 4 October 2013 15: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: Professor
          The Minister of Defense of Russia in which regiment did the children serve? What about other ministers? Chief of General Staff?

          Again you are clinging. He spoke of generals, not ministers. am
          1. Professor
            4 October 2013 15: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            He spoke about generals, not ministers

            He spoke of exceptions, not rules.
            1. ed65b
              ed65b 4 October 2013 15: 50 New
              +4
              I spoke about military generals. And you're talking about exceptions.
              1. Aristocrat
                Aristocrat 4 October 2013 21: 30 New
                +2
                Alas, the military general eats the best and eats well and is guarded, unlike those who guard him ...
          2. Aristocrat
            Aristocrat 4 October 2013 21: 28 New
            +1
            I meant all. And the generals and colonels and others.
            1. builder
              builder 4 October 2013 22: 24 New
              +9
              Quote: Aristocrat
              And the generals and colonels and others.

              Over the years, the sons of nine generals and fifty-five colonels have died in Chechnya.
              What a manner of watering all the shit. The nimbus there does not press on the ears.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 4 October 2013 22: 11 New
          +8
          Quote: Professor
          Chief of General Staff?

          As far as I heard, he has no children. And his brother fought in Chechnya. The commander of a tank platoon.
      2. Aristocrat
        Aristocrat 4 October 2013 21: 27 New
        +1
        These exceptions to the rules can be neglected ... With all due respect to these guys ...
    3. builder
      builder 4 October 2013 18: 41 New
      +9
      And at our generals sons they live life in night clubs

      During the war in Chechnya in the 1994-1996 years the sons died:
      Lieutenant General ANOSHIN Gennady Yakovlevich;
      Major General NALETOV Gennady Afanasevich;
      Lieutenant General SUSLOV Vyacheslav Fedorovich;
      Lieutenant General of PULIKOVSKY Konstantin Borisovich;
      Major General Anatoly Mikhailovich FILIPENK;
      Major General of Aviation Anatoly Chigashov;
      Colonel General Shpak Georgy Ivanovich.
      Lieutenant General SCHEPINA Yuri.
      In 1999, the son of Lieutenant General SOLOMATIN Viktor Alexandrovich was killed in Chechnya.
      despite the anti-Semitic views of most of our compatriots

      Who told you that most of our compatriots have anti-Semitic views.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 4 October 2013 20: 46 New
        +5
        Eternal memory to the guys.
      2. Aristocrat
        Aristocrat 4 October 2013 21: 35 New
        -2
        Thanks for the list. Only in it are 9 people for how many (tens of thousands?) Generals?

        As for anti-Semitic views, each granny curses these damned Jews at the entrance, although she has never seen one ... Yes, and you read reviews of "forum users" here that allow obscenity about Jews and you understand the truth of my statement ...
        Of course, I do not say that everyone has it. Because it really is.
        1. builder
          builder 4 October 2013 22: 13 New
          +1
          Only in it are 9 people for how many (tens of thousands?) Generals?

          1200 generals in the Army (by 2012 it was planned to be reduced to 900) At the expense of tens of thousands - I made fun
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 4 October 2013 22: 29 New
          +3
          Quote: Aristocrat
          every granny curses these damned Jews at the entrance, although she has never seen one in her life ..

          I have never seen such grannies in my life ...
          1. builder
            builder 4 October 2013 23: 21 New
            +3
            You are not surrounded by aristocratic old women. wink
          2. just exp
            just exp 14 December 2013 11: 10 New
            +2
            Yes, it's just a Russian Jew who writes that he wants to convince himself that the Russians are damned anti-Semites, and he is very surprised when this turns out to be wrong.
        3. builder
          builder 4 October 2013 22: 32 New
          +1
          "Every granny at the entrance" and "reviews of (some)" members of the forum "are not the opinion of most compatriots.
          Quote: Aristocrat
          Of course, I do not say that everyone has it. Because it really is.
          - I understood what I wrote. Nothing that I'm with aristocrats on you?
      3. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 4 October 2013 21: 51 New
        +2
        thank you for the information, do not be ashamed of them
    4. StolzSS
      StolzSS 4 October 2013 21: 35 New
      +2
      I know a couple of general's sons, normal men, but I also know them more assholes ...
    5. Protos
      Protos 1 August 2017 10: 43 New
      0
      "And our generals sons" do not "serve urgent" because in military schools there is no "urgent service", but there is KMB in the first year! lol
  2. Kars
    Kars 4 October 2013 12: 07 New
    +4
    "So what’s better? An infantryman with a hairy chest covered with body armor going into battle alone? There must be something complex. There will be those who say I’ll send an APC Namer to the battle, but he doesn’t have a gun. He’s not able to fire at close and long distances. He’s not capable of destroying the building or getting a shell through the window of the third floor of the building. I don’t mean only tanks. I never said that we only need tanks. I’m talking about armored vehicles and infantry. I’m talking about complex combat.


    Clever words.
  3. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 4 October 2013 12: 13 New
    +6
    Well, to stop the rumors we turn to Israeli sources, the website Varonline:
    As part of the AOI ground forces in Lebanon during the Second Lebanon War, forces from 5 armored brigades operated (some of them were not in full force) - a total of about 400 tanks (more accurate figures are also given, for example, 370). The 7th regular and 847th reservist brigades were armed with Merkava Mk.2 tanks, the 188th regular and 434th reservist brigades were armed with Mk.3 Mk. 401, and the 4th regular brigade were equipped with the latest Merkava Mk.200 .100. In addition, in Lebanon, up to 9 heavy Akhzarit heavy armored personnel carriers were used, a number of Nagmakhon and Nakpadon heavy armored personnel carriers, up to 700 units of engineering equipment (Puma heavy armored personnel carriers and D113 bulldozers) - a total of about XNUMX tanks, heavy BTR and bulldozers. Ordinary armored personnel carriers (for example, MXNUMX) were not used in Lebanon, unarmored vehicles were used extremely limited.
    Hezbollah fighters widely used various anti-tank weapons against BTT AOIs, including anti-tank systems (Kornet, Metis, Fagot, Konkurs and Toe), RPGs (RPG-29 Vampire, RPT-7) and powerful landmines, including hundreds of kg of explosive. Hezbollah launched anti-tank missile launchers selectively, in accordance with the type of tank, i.e. on “Merkava” MK.4 they tried to launch “Metis” and “Cornet”, on “Merkava” MK.3 - “Bassoon” and “Competition”.
    - 52 Merkava tanks were damaged — 50 ATGMs and 2 HEs;
    rockets pierced 22 tanks, killing 23 crew members;
    -18 wrecked tanks - "Merkava" MK.4, while 8 of them retained combat effectiveness after the defeat;
    - Of the 23 dead crew members, 18 were killed in 5 cases of tank damage, half of them in Wadi Saluki, where 11 tanks were destroyed during an anti-tank ambush, and armor was broken in 3 cases; 2 of the tanks killed 7 tankers .;
    -5 tanks are not recoverable: 2 blown up on high-explosive bombs (1 “Merkava” MK.2 and “Merkava” MK 4), and 3 hit by ATGMs (1 “Merkava” MK 2, “Merkava” MK. 3 and “Merkava” Mk.4);
    -on one of the "Merkava" MK.4, blown up on a land mine, there were 7 people; thanks to the additional protection of the bottom, only 1 perished;
    http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/history/2nd-lebanon-war/acv-losses/


    Evacuation of the Merkava corps MK.4 blown up by a land mine 24.07.06

    Case "Merkava" Mk.4, blown up by a land mine 24.07.06

    "Merkava" Mk.2 847th br br, lined up 09.08.06/XNUMX/XNUMX - photo clickable
    1. Professor
      4 October 2013 12: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: smiths xnumx
      Well, to stop the rumors we turn to Israeli sources, the website Varonline:

      I don’t understand why your whole mine-paste?
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 4 October 2013 12: 53 New
        +11
        In addition, the Merkava also burn and explode, like all other tanks. However, you don’t understand ... You have a ratio of 81 shot down a Syrian plane in 1982 against an Israeli one, and even that one fell, exclusively from contempt for the Arabs.
        1. Professor
          4 October 2013 14: 18 New
          -1
          Quote: smiths xnumx
          In addition, the Merkava also burn and explode, like all other tanks. However, you do not understand ...

          Again did not understand. The article says that you can’t hit Merkava? Did you actually read the article? It just says that there are threats to fight which Merkava (and indeed tanks) is not capable of.

          Quote: smiths xnumx
          You have a ratio of 81 downed Syrian aircraft in 1982 against an Israeli one, and even that one fell, exclusively from contempt for the Arabs.

          82: 0 in air battles, but this has nothing to do with the article.

          In general, I see that I tried in vain to translate. Nobody reads anyway. sad
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 4 October 2013 14: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            In general, I see that in vain I tried to translate

            You precisely noticed it, your public relations of the Israeli army already got all. tongue
          2. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 4 October 2013 14: 39 New
            +7
            Again did not understand. The article says that you can’t hit Merkava? Did you actually read the article? It just says that there are threats to fight which Merkava (and indeed tanks) is not capable of.

            What are you saying? This is how the “Merkava” can hit. Do not honor the concrete of the garden (joke). Well, nothing, now your Americans will deliver your ATGMs to the Syrian cannibals, and the Javelins will fly to the Merkav towers. And about the indestructible tanks I agree. They do not exist in nature.
            82: 0 in air battles, but this has nothing to do with the article.
            Oh, these tales to me, oh, these storytellers to me. And why not 182. Mr. Professor, not so long ago, in a post about Iran’s missiles, you pointed out to me that there is no material evidence of Israel’s nuclear program. Is there material evidence of the downed Syrian aircraft (debris, numbers, etc.)? I’m sure not. We already passed through the "T-72 cemeteries" in Lebanon in 1982 and about other Jewish folk tales.
            In general, I see that I tried in vain to translate. Nobody reads anyway.
            Well, it's you in vain, for the article you plus, personally from me. Do not pay much attention to the old slug. Yours faithfully! hi
            1. Professor
              4 October 2013 14: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: smiths xnumx
              What are you saying ...

              What is the connection to the article? Have you decided to troll? wink
              1. smiths xnumx
                smiths xnumx 4 October 2013 15: 18 New
                +5
                What is the connection to the article? Have you decided to troll?
                Absolutely had no such desire. The IDF is a very strong army, one of the strongest in the world, and I respect its victories (without exaggeration) and I perfectly understand you as an Israeli citizen, that you are proud of it. But let's be objective, the Israelis are confronted not by illiterate shepherds with stones, but by quite educated people with ancient history, who know how to stand up for themselves and engage in narcissism, I do not advise, let alone tell Jewish folk tales about the devastating accounts of Hel Haavir. For underestimating the enemy leads to defeat. especially since the IDF is an army that does not need too much PR and its victories speak for themselves. And the article is very interesting. Yours faithfully! hi
                1. Professor
                  4 October 2013 15: 26 New
                  +7
                  Quote: smiths xnumx
                  and I’m not advising you to be self-conscious

                  It’s hard for me to argue with you, because you absolutely do not know Israeli realities. Yes, and how do you know? Apart from me, nobody seems to be translating military-related articles from Hebrew, and you have nowhere to know how Tzahal and Israeli society breathe. So, after 1973 there was no more euphoria, talk of invincibility and hatred. On the contrary. Hezbollah sees a serious adversary (there is also about this in the article), Iranian threats are not passed by, they study military affairs in this way. Learn from everyone and always leaving pride aside. They say that if there is a way to save at least one soldier, then it is worth using it. For example, they developed a fuse of a grenade that does not detonate from a bullet because this is how one (1) officer died in 2006.
                  1. smiths xnumx
                    smiths xnumx 4 October 2013 16: 55 New
                    +7
                    It’s hard for me to argue with you, because you absolutely do not know the Israeli realities.
                    I do not pretend to know Israeli realities, because I live in Russia.
                    Apart from me, nobody seems to be translating military-related articles from Hebrew, and you have nowhere to know how Tzahal and Israeli society breathe.
                    Thank you very much and a deep bow for your hard work. I already wrote above that I personally put your article a plus.
                    So, after 1973 there was no more euphoria, talk of invincibility and hatred. On the contrary. Hezbollah sees a serious adversary (the article also has this), Iranian threats do not pass by
                    Of course, Israel remembers the lessons of the October war of 1973, when everything hung in the balance and only the incomprehensible position of Sadat saved Israel from defeat. He remembers them all the more since he left Sinai after the 1979 Camp David Treaty. With regards to Hezbollah similarly, these guys know how to take a hit and have shown that not all opponents of Israel are equally helpless. Is it a joke, with the full technical and material superiority of the enemy, to inflict losses on him, and maintain his own organization. With regards to Iran, I hope there will be no military conflict.
                    Well, they study military affairs in the present way. Learn from everyone and always leaving pride aside. They say that if there is a way to save at least one soldier, then it is worth using it.
                    It’s wonderful and gorgeous because otherwise, especially Israel can’t be crushed, devoured and cut ...
                    1. Professor
                      4 October 2013 17: 02 New
                      +1
                      Quote: smiths xnumx
                      Is it a joke, with the full technical and material superiority of the enemy, to inflict losses on him, and maintain his own organization.

                      Not the newspapers you read. Olmert hesitated for a long time and did not dare to start a war, but wanted to limit himself only to the operation. As soon as the war began (reservists entered), the UN Security Council ceased hostilities. Tzahal was already on the banks of Litani then. Hezbollah did not have a single chance, and she still licks her wounds. Nasrallah does not get out of the bunker, he does not shell Israel and does not give others.

                      Quote: smiths xnumx
                      With regards to Iran, I hope there will be no military conflict.

                      I hope too. nobody needs it here, but Iran with nuclear weapons is no longer needed by anyone.

                      Quote: smiths xnumx
                      It’s wonderful and gorgeous because otherwise, especially Israel can’t be crushed, devoured and cut ...

                      Arafat promised to drown in the sea. laughing
                      1. smiths xnumx
                        smiths xnumx 4 October 2013 17: 17 New
                        +5
                        Not the newspapers you read. Olmert hesitated for a long time and did not dare to start a war, but wanted to limit himself only to the operation. As soon as the war began (reservists entered), the UN Security Council ceased hostilities. Tzahal was already on the banks of Litani then. Hezbollah did not have a single chance, and she still licks her wounds. Nasrallah does not get out of the bunker, he does not shell Israel and does not give others.
                        Well, let's start with the fact that Israel underestimated Hezbollah, hoping that, following the example of the Palestinians, it would shoot a little and scatter, and faced with a well-trained and equipped fighting force using guerrilla tactics that were the only tactics that were right at that time. And the damage to the Israeli corvette "Hanit" and the loss of "Merkav" talk about this. When Israel began to fight seriously, it was too late.
                        I hope too. nobody needs it here, but Iran with nuclear weapons is no longer needed by anyone.

                        I agree, Russia does not need it either.
                        Arafat promised to drown in the sea.
                        And where is that Arafat. So, the captive Israelis are captive Egyptian relief dedicated to the "Doomsday War". These poets still think they won that war.
                      2. Professor
                        4 October 2013 17: 26 New
                        +1
                        Quote: smiths xnumx
                        Well, to begin with, Israel underestimated Hezbollah, hoping that, following the example of the Palestinians, it will shoot a little and scatter

                        And so it happened. Before Litani, they fled and mowing under civilians sometimes shot alone. With a corvette, the puncture came out, it's true. With tanks, in principle, what happened was expected. The findings of the Vinograd commission can be summarized not as Hezbollah fought well, and Tsahal fought poorly. The conclusions were drawn, the result Cast lead looked completely different.

                        Quote: smiths xnumx
                        When Israel began to fight seriously, it was too late.

                        When experienced reservists who had fought earlier pulled themselves up ...

                        Quote: smiths xnumx
                        These poets still think they won that war.

                        They are not the only ones.
                      3. smiths xnumx
                        smiths xnumx 4 October 2013 17: 35 New
                        +4
                        And so it happened. Before Litani, they fled and mowing under civilians sometimes shot alone. With a corvette, the puncture came out, it's true. With tanks, in principle, what happened was expected. The findings of the Vinograd commission can be summarized not as Hezbollah fought well, and Tsahal fought poorly. The conclusions were drawn, the result Cast lead looked completely different.

                        Well, to begin with, even the Israelis who fought in that war, judging by the warline, highly appreciate the combat capabilities of Hezbollah fighters, the same anti-tank ambush in Wadi Saluki, where 11 tanks were hit. As for Cast Lead, comparing Hamas and Hezbollah, in my opinion, is a bit wrong, because Hamas is a bunch of militants, and Hezbollah is an organization of militants. Speaking in legal language, Hamas is a group of persons by prior conspiracy, and Hezbollah is an organized criminal group.
                        When experienced reservists who had fought earlier pulled themselves up ...
                        But politics intervened.
                        They are not the only ones.
                        I will answer you with Putin's words: "The soldiers remember the days and battles that they blew together"
                      4. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 4 October 2013 18: 03 New
                        +2
                        The fighters of Khezla have very well physically trained fighters and with very high motivation, but in the tactical and rifle component, they always lost to us if they did not act from ambushes. Tankers of course reduced our losses at least three times. They prepared for the meeting with us excellent URs in the building.
                      5. Professor
                        4 October 2013 18: 28 New
                        +3
                        Quote: smiths xnumx
                        the same anti-tank ambush in Wadi Saluki, where 11 tanks were hit

                        There was a 100% puncture command. They knew about the ambush, but they sent tanks.

                        Hamas is very well organized, armed and funded. The only difference is, some are Sunnis, others are Shiites.

                        Quote: smiths xnumx
                        But politics intervened.

                        Politics, but not Israeli. The Lebanese president sobbed on telly with crocodile tears (naturally).
                    2. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 4 October 2013 18: 00 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Professor
                      Before Litani, they fled and mowing under civilians sometimes shot alone.

                      And you wanted them to line up and go on a psychic attack, like in the Chapaya movie? fool Partisan warfare is also partisan warfare, in order to shoot from ambushes and leave for quiet.
                    3. Professor
                      4 October 2013 18: 29 New
                      0
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      And you wanted them to line up and go on a psychic attack, like in the Chapaya movie?

                      I would prefer that they defend their territory, rather than dumped in the Christian quarters of Beirut.
                    4. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 4 October 2013 21: 04 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      I would prefer that they defend their territory, rather than dumped in the Christian quarters of Beirut.

                      What an interesting argument. Is it not convenient to catch them? Is the building too dense? Are you familiar with guerrilla warfare tactics?
                    5. Professor
                      4 October 2013 21: 39 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Isn't it convenient to catch them there? Is the building too dense?

                      Israel simply did not bomb Christian areas. They are not partisans, but terrorists. Hiding behind the backs of children and women. The difference is significant.
                    6. smiths xnumx
                      smiths xnumx 4 October 2013 21: 48 New
                      +3
                      In short, Mr. Professor, I'm sorry I do not know your name, according to your logic, something like this should ...
                    7. Professor
                      4 October 2013 21: 53 New
                      +4
                      So.
                      Oleg
                    8. smiths xnumx
                      smiths xnumx 4 October 2013 22: 11 New
                      +3
                      Well, well, I understand and sincerely sympathize with you Oleg, my name is Roman, sergeant of the reserve of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, 34 OBRON, military unit 3671, I'm sorry I don’t know your military rank in the IDF, when you see enemies and you can’t destroy them .. .I wish with all my heart to withstand!
                2. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 4 October 2013 22: 36 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Professor
                  They are not partisans, but terrorists.

                  Professor, I do not agree with you. stop On the territory of their state they are partisans.
                3. Professor
                  5 October 2013 11: 40 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Professor, I do not agree with you. On the territory of their state they are partisans.

                  Well yes. They attacked the adjacent territory. They captured a school in Maalot. They killed the kids. returned to their territory and turned into proud partisans.
  • Cynic
    Cynic 4 October 2013 18: 52 New
    +4
    Quote: Professor
    Nobody reads anyway.

    At you in vain _ Already a tear knocks.
    Nothing happens in vain. If you have done something, it means that at that particular moment in your life, at that particular stage of your development, this act made sense. ... Our whole problem is that we do not value what we have.

    And further _
    I've already started cry to sound _ Ide prohfessor? Ide? Why did he leave us?
    laughing
    1. Professor
      4 October 2013 18: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Cynic
      professor

      typo or ticket to the blacklist?
      1. alone
        alone 4 October 2013 19: 36 New
        +5
        in general, a world has not yet been created that could not be destroyed. Each tank has its pros and cons. The main thing in this matter is the training of the crew and the relationship between the units. If Assad Merkava 4 still, these merkavs would be destroyed as well as those 72, which are available at Asad. Without a tank, there is a defenseless iron in the city, and sooner and later ilm will be destroyed.
      2. Cynic
        Cynic 4 October 2013 19: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Professor
        typo or ticket to the blacklist?

        Honestly, at the same time, will you add me to your blacklist or not.
        With people who do not understand humor, I try not to conduct dialogues and in general I myself am certainly to blame, I forgot distinguish and forgot that I’m talking to a foreigner.
        1. Professor
          4 October 2013 19: 54 New
          +3
          Well then, I forgive you. wink Just rude divorced unmeasured.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 5 October 2013 08: 25 New
            0
            Quote: Professor
            Well then, I forgive you.

            It would be for what.
            Quote: Professor
            Just rude divorced unmeasured.

            This is not a reason to measure all with one arshin.
            hi
      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 4 October 2013 21: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: Professor
        typo or ticket to the blacklist?

        Take your time, professor, we will always be in time there. This site is mainly patriots, there are practically no opponents. So do not leave us, it will be boring without you. laughing And forgive us for being rude, it’s just that Your-Our provisional government already got us. We would be happy if you recalled him. wassat
        1. Professor
          4 October 2013 21: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And forgive us for being rude, it’s just that Your-Our provisional government already got us. We would be happy if you recalled him.

          Yes, actually it’s all yours. Ours are either in Herzliya or in Miami.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 4 October 2013 22: 44 New
            +4
            Quote: Professor
            Yes, actually it’s all yours. Ours either in Herzliya or in Miami

            You are modest. Chubais and Nemtsov were officially offered Israeli citizenship. And these are iconic figures. And you know that citizenship is simply not offered. Only for Mom. Michael Douglas is an example. lol So our D.A.M. is suitable for you according to all criteria. fellow
            1. Professor
              5 October 2013 11: 49 New
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Chubais and Nemtsov were officially offered Israeli citizenship.

              Do not tell tales. Israeli citizenship is not offered to anyone, much less officially. He has the right to get Chubais or the same Leontiev.

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And you know that citizenship is simply not offered.

              It is not offered at all. By law, it can be obtained by submitting a request. Notice by submitting a request.

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              So our D.A.M. is suitable for you according to all criteria.

              Thank you, we don’t need such kindness. Moreover, he does not have the right to Israeli citizenship.
              Father - Anatoly Afanasevich Medvedev (November 19, 1926 - 2004), professor at the Lensovet Leningrad Technological Institute (now St. Petersburg State Technological Institute). A descendant of the peasants of the Kursk province [3] [4], a member of the CPSU (b) since 1952. Grandfather Afanasy Fyodorovich Medvedev (died May 20, 1994) was a party worker from 1933, from 1946 to 1951 he worked as first secretary of the district committee of the party in the Pavlovsky district (Krasnodar Territory), from 1955 to 1958 he was secretary of the Korenovsky district committee of the CPSU in the city of Korenovsk, then worked as an instructor in the Krasnodar Territory [5]. Grandmother Nadezhda Vasilievna Medvedeva was a housewife, raised children: Svetlana and Anatolia, died May 24, 1990. [5].
              Mother - Julia Veniaminovna (born November 21, 1939), daughter of Veniamin Sergeyevich Shaposhnikov and Melaniya Vasilievna Kovaleva [6] [7]; philologist, taught at the A. Herzen Pedagogical Institute, later worked as a guide in Pavlovsk. Her ancestors - Sergei Ivanovich and Ekaterina Nikitichna Shaposhnikovs, Vasily Alexandrovich and Anfiya Filippovna Kovalev - come from Alekseevka Belgorod region [4] [8]. Residents of Stary Oskol also consider Dmitry Anatolyevich their fellow countryman for historical reasons: the inhabitants of Alekseyevka mainly arrived from Oskol during the colonization of the Wild Field.
              1. albatross
                albatross 5 October 2013 13: 07 New
                +2
                professor (1) IL Today, 11:49 ↑ New
                Thank you, we don’t need such kindness. Moreover, he does not have the right to Israeli citizenship.

                Cunning professor, you do not know. This is the official "tree", "legend", as well as the last name. Say "yours" no? Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (Stalin), was bad for some, but Lazar Moiseevich Kaganovich (kogan) was good, survived everyone, just stood behind him, did not protrude, as expected.
                Here, in the video, exactly the 4th minute.

                For military subjects to you +, "respect and respect." But with your statement: "Call me simply:" my lord "", I do not agree. This Jewish Nazism, abolished by Christ, 2000 years ago. The genetics and cohesion of your people has remained, but the grace has departed. They rejected the messiah, lied, crucified - you have no more prophets.
              2. Professor
                5 October 2013 13: 14 New
                +3
                Quote: albatross
                Lazar Moiseevich Kaganovich (kogan) was good

                For me, he is not good and do not rush for me, pliz.

                Quote: albatross
                But with your statement: "Call me simply:" my lord "", I do not agree.

                And with what they call me the Russophobe troll, do you agree?

                Quote: albatross
                They rejected the messiah, lied, crucified - you have no more prophets.

                And do you have?
              3. albatross
                albatross 7 October 2013 19: 31 New
                0
                Professor (1) IL October 5, 2013 13:14 ↑ New
                And with what they call me the Russophobe troll, do you agree?

                No, of course I do not agree. WRITE AND WRITE - it is interesting to know the view from the inside. The fact that with a patriotic bias is good: "every sandpiper praises its swamp."
                By the way, I do not think that the Israelis will make themselves a bad tank.
                Now, if our “Serdyukovs” were sent to you, then yes.
      4. Cynic
        Cynic 5 October 2013 08: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Ours either in Herzliya or in Miami.

        It’s not necessary to talk about Miami, the general registration of real estate having there will give an inadequate result, in comparison with other cities of USA.
  • Aristocrat
    Aristocrat 4 October 2013 21: 43 New
    0
    I personally drew a little from it. But the translation was not in vain. The press will always find its reader. And some will extract something from the lines. While I am for you and against your opponents. Of course, I will shy with you ... not in a polemic, in a dispute, even in discussions when you again (like you) were faulty for the Kalash arguments. But in this case, as an outside observer in the attacks on you, I see so far only anti-Semitism :)
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 4 October 2013 21: 53 New
    0
    why didn’t you bend the Nazis like Arabs?
  • Rusich51
    Rusich51 22 October 2013 20: 12 New
    0
    Quote: Professor
    In general, I see that I tried in vain to translate. Nobody reads anyway.


    Don't worry so much for anyone interested in reading.
  • Aristocrat
    Aristocrat 4 October 2013 21: 38 New
    +1
    And here you are my dear compatriots confirmation of my words. As soon as a man with a star of David asked a harmless question on flags, how was he "blown away" ... Is this a manifestation of anti-Semitism?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 4 October 2013 22: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Aristocrat
      Isn't anti-Semitism a manifestation?

      Anti-Semitism is about the same as Russophobia. But I don’t remember something for planting for Russophobia ...
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 4 October 2013 12: 15 New
    +3
    I don’t know how anyone, but I like merkava purely from an aesthetic point of view.
    1. Aristocrat
      Aristocrat 4 October 2013 12: 22 New
      +4
      And if you discard the “Pontus” appearance, what do you like about Merkava?
      1. Kars
        Kars 4 October 2013 12: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: Aristocrat
        then you like

        ergonomics. machine-gun armament. availability of mortar. FCS. aiming devices. range of ammunition
      2. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 4 October 2013 21: 56 New
        0
        and what is it about, for which it can not be considered a modern high-tech tank?
    2. svp67
      svp67 4 October 2013 21: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      I don’t know how anyone, but I like merkava purely from an aesthetic point of view.
      Yes, there is something in it ... apparently not in vain there the "specialists of the Soviet tank school" worked ...
  • ed65b
    ed65b 4 October 2013 12: 17 New
    +6
    We have here that the month of Jewish propaganda has opened. Rather, after the holidays, the prof. Previously, they read about the superfood in the tank world. already tired. Change the record author, show the Navy or something.
    1. fklj
      fklj 4 October 2013 13: 06 New
      +7
      Change the record author, show the Navy something

      In vain you. Run into a new tub of propaganda. He has thousands of kosher statues in store laughing
      1. Professor
        4 October 2013 14: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: fklj
        He has thousands of kosher statues in store

        Articles are kosher or non-kosher. Enlighten? In general, do not like it, do not read. Feel free to minus and go on the Internet.
        1. fklj
          fklj 4 October 2013 15: 53 New
          +1
          I don’t argue about kosher, you know better, but you don’t need to educate - it’s not interesting.
          Feel free to minus

          On the minuses "hooked"? laughing It is understandable, no one here has received them more than you.
          forward on the Internet

          Don’t tell me what to do, but I won’t tell you where to go.
          1. Professor
            4 October 2013 15: 57 New
            +3
            Quote: fklj
            On the minuses "hooked"?

            Minus the prerogative of the mentally limited, those who have nothing to say.

            PS
            You do not need to poke, in one meadow geese were not grazed.
            1. fklj
              fklj 4 October 2013 17: 26 New
              +3
              Not a specialist in geese.
              And how else to turn to the Russophobe troll?
              If you want respect, respect the country and the people in the language you write here.
              1. Professor
                4 October 2013 18: 21 New
                0
                Quote: fklj
                And how else to turn to the Russophobe troll?

                You can contact me "my lord." He was not noticed in Russophobia. I sincerely appreciate Russian culture and respect the Russian people.

                Quote: fklj
                Want respect

                I do not need any respect from you. Just before you talk about culture, try yourself to be cultural.
                1. fklj
                  fklj 4 October 2013 19: 41 New
                  +2
                  You can contact me "my lord"

                  Culture rushing
                  Was not noticed in Russophobia

                  laughing
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 4 October 2013 18: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      We have here that the month of Jewish propaganda has opened. Rather, after the holidays, the prof. Previously, they read about the superfood in the tank world. already tired. Change the record author, show the Navy or something.

      Our Navy is not playing a strategic component yet. After 2017, when it will include 6 submarines, which, according to foreign media, can carry long-range missiles, the situation will change. And so our Navy is a coastal defense fleet. So we don’t need anything else. We are not an empire, we need to think about medicine, social security and the construction of infrastructure, and not about the status of a great power.
  • Rider
    Rider 4 October 2013 13: 50 New
    +4
    I don’t understand why many people don’t like that they publish articles of this kind?
    No, I understand that this article may like or dislike, but here is the site of the MILITARY Review, and it fits the topic.

    but the fact that the professional began to scribble as from a minigun is so clear as God's day.
    hot days are coming to BV, and taking into account the fact that the main guarantor of Israeli security (you know who I mean) is slowly blown away and can’t find the money, not only for a new war, but even for the salaries of officials, you have to calm down (and at the same time reassure others) with such articles.

    Py Sy - prof, I'm glad that you are again in the rank.

    wink
    1. Professor
      4 October 2013 14: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: Rider
      but the fact that the professional began to scribble as from a minigun is so clear as God's day.

      I began to write less often - time is not enough, and as I see it, most are not interested. I came across two interesting articles in my opinion and translated them. Here, my attention was attracted by the price of the run of Merkava km and the specialist’s thoughts about the future tank. Was it not interesting to you?

      Quote: Rider
      have to be complacent (and at the same time calm others) with such articles.

      The article is posted on the Israeli website and in Hebrew. As I understand it, and you did not read it, because here there is not a word about complacency, but even vice versa.
      Society smells the approaching war both in the north and in the south.
      1. Rider
        Rider 4 October 2013 14: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Professor
        Was it not interesting to you?

        on the contrary, more than.
        Quote: Professor
        The article is posted on the Israeli website and in Hebrew. As I understand it, and you did not read it, because here there is not a word about complacency, but even vice versa.
        Society smells the approaching war both in the north and in the south.

        naturally did not read, and therefore interesting, and since society smells war then such articles appear to show that the army is strong and on guard, and in general we are the coolest.

        do not sulk prof, masmedia, as a means of delivering the "right" thoughts to the minds of consumers, it has been used for a very long time.
        1. Professor
          4 October 2013 14: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: Rider
          and in general we are the coolest.

          You are not up to date. Talks like "we are the coolest" after 1973 in Israel are not heard. It is considered at least a bad form.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 4 October 2013 14: 16 New
    +4
    The situation in Syria was blown away, the Jews stirred. Have you noticed?
    1. Professor
      4 October 2013 14: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      The situation in Syria was blown away, the Jews stirred. Have you noticed?

      Blown away? Assad won? Today, in an interview with the Turks, he said that he was not sure that he would be the next president of Syria. Here's a twist.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 4 October 2013 15: 22 New
        +1
        where does Assad’s victory. the war will not be big, I’m talking about this. Have you stopped giving gas masks, was it enough for everyone?
        1. Professor
          4 October 2013 15: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: ed65b
          the war will not be big, I’m talking about this.

          Not sure. And what’s happening now can’t be called a small war. More than 120 thousand dead, more than 2 million refugees, the economy has been thrown back 35 years and there is no end to it.

          Quote: ed65b
          . Have you stopped giving gas masks, was it enough for everyone?

          Do not stop. I don’t know who was enough, but all my friends got.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 4 October 2013 15: 28 New
    0
    For the pro

    During the war in Chechnya in the 1994-1996 years the sons died:
    Lieutenant General ANOSHIN Gennady Yakovlevich;
    Major General NALETOV Gennady Afanasevich;
    Lieutenant General SUSLOV Vyacheslav Fedorovich;
    Lieutenant General of PULIKOVSKY Konstantin Borisovich;
    Major General Anatoly Mikhailovich FILIPENK;
    Major General of Aviation Anatoly Chigashov;
    Colonel General Shpak Georgy Ivanovich.
    Lieutenant General SCHEPINA Yuri.
    In 1999, the son of Lieutenant General SOLOMATIN Viktor Alexandrovich was killed in Chechnya.

    It’s a shameful professor to carry nonsense about our generals.
    1. Professor
      4 October 2013 15: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      It’s a shameful professor to carry nonsense about our generals.

      Not ashamed. I served in the army and had seen enough of the generals and their sons. The examples you cited are exceptions, but rules.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 4 October 2013 15: 47 New
        +2
        Did I click the seeds? It's a shame, I understand that for a Jew, Jews are all, but do not distort. I can also pour shit on your fraternity. I do not do this. And you will be more modest. What are your parkent generals all in the war with the kids? And then the loot piz ... d you have Russian ???
        1. Professor
          4 October 2013 15: 54 New
          +5
          No need to be rude, I know how to be rude. Tell how the Israeli generals soldiers build cottages. Do not be shy. wink
      2. Uncle
        Uncle 4 October 2013 19: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Professor
        I served in the army

        And in what troops and when?
  • ed65b
    ed65b 4 October 2013 15: 31 New
    +2
    Senior Lieutenant Anoshin Alexander Gennadievich, commander of a tank platoon of the 81st motorized rifle regiment. He died in Chechnya on January 1, 1995. A platoon of senior lieutenant Anoshin that New Year's Eve fought for the railway station in Grozny. His body was found only on February 4. He was buried at the Frontier Cemetery in Samara.

    Captain Pulikovsky Alexey Konstantinovich, deputy commander of a tank battalion. He died on December 14, 1995 in an operation to free an reconnaissance reconnaissance group near Chateau that was ambushed. He was buried in the city of Krasnodar. He was awarded the Order of Courage (posthumous).

    Lieutenant Filipenok Evgeny Anatolyevich, helicopter pilot. He died in Chechnya on January 25, 1995. His helicopter was shot down during a sortie. Filipenko was buried in the Northern cemetery of St. Petersburg. The Order of Courage is kept by his widow Natasha.

    Lieutenant Chigashov Sergey Anatolyevich, platoon commander. He died in Chechnya on January 1, 1995. During the battle he changed 2 tanks. He shot the first damaged car from a cannon so that the enemy would not get it. When the driver died, took his place, was later hit again and was shot by snipers when leaving the burning car with the gunner. Buried in Ulyanovsk

    Guard Lieutenant Shpak Oleg Georgievich, commander of an airborne platoon. He died in Chechnya on March 29, 1995 at the age of 22, having been blown up by the BMD during a combat mission.

    Captain Shchepin Yuri Yuryevich, company commander of the tank battalion of the 131st separate motorized rifle brigade. He died on January 1, 1995 at the Grozny railway station, during the evacuation of the wounded from the forecourt.

    Hero of Russia, Lieutenant Solomatin Alexander Viktorovich, platoon commander of the 245th regiment. He died in Chechnya on December 1, 1999. Moving along the route, the group came across a bandit coming forward to meet, which intended to arrange a regiment of a meat grinder in the form of an ambush. Eight versus five hundred - the ratio is not the most favorable, but the scouts boldly entered the battle. With this ratio, it is impossible to prevent the environment from remaining in place, so the group commander gave the command to withdraw. He covered the waste himself.

    This is a memo for you. Remember.
    1. Aristocrat
      Aristocrat 4 October 2013 22: 08 New
      +1
      Eternal memory to the heroes! The 81st regiment from my 27th motorized rifle division ... Almost all died on New Year's Eve in the formidable together with the 131st Maykop brigade ...
      I just don’t see privates on the list ... I don’t envy the fate of a soldier in the Russian army ... alas ...
  • Black
    Black 4 October 2013 15: 36 New
    +1
    "The most comprehensive and best moment of my career was during Operation Cast Lead where I was the brigade commander.

    A dozen or two “forty-fives” would be “lead”, but “cast” ...
    And so - well with flags not to ride it!
    1. Professor
      4 October 2013 15: 55 New
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      Quote: Chen
      A dozen or two “forty-fives” would be “lead”, but “cast” ...
      And so - well with flags not to ride it!

      The tanks did their work before leaving and the "Ten and Two Forty-Fifty" were already scrapped.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 4 October 2013 17: 46 New
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    "There is a complex of active protection Vetrovka, which has been successfully used twice in Gaza. We do not have a decent response to the threat of land mines."
    "There must be something complex. There will be those who say I will send the BTR Namer to the battle, but he doesn’t have guns. He’s not able to fire at close and long distances. He’s not able to destroy the building or get into the window of the third floor of the building. I’m not I mean only tanks. I never said that we only need tanks. I’m talking about armored vehicles and infantry. I’m talking about a comprehensive struggle. "... here is the answer why Israel does not need 5th generation tanks ... with these tasks of the 2nd generation of the T-54/55 type can also cope with the tasks after appropriate modernization. What then to say about cars of a later period of release.
  • Gronsky
    Gronsky 4 October 2013 19: 05 New
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    No, but what, it would be nice for any father to have such a daughter. Well done, and the general speaks quite well (ours would be to learn from him). But my God, the author, you are mine, you yourself are not sick of the concentration of Jewish pathos in your articles.
    It’s like at a Jewish wedding - in a bride of growth a meter with a cap, four times as much weight, a mustache like a hussar, immediately behind a square and flat booty of a shoulder blade, the neck is absent as a class, legs are marked with the letter X, there is lush hair on the forearms. But according to the stories of relatives, Gitya simply smashed everyone with indescribable beauty and grace, and they will have children for all children. I know what I'm saying - I watched the wedding and listened to post-wedding stories.
    Be more modest, at least a little more respect YOURS and immediately you will feel how they will love you more, well, or at least not love you less.
    1. SAG
      SAG 5 October 2013 05: 29 New
      +3
      dug deep ... would you still advise not to count shekels laughing
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 5 October 2013 08: 33 New
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      Quote: Gronsky
      according to the stories of relatives, Gitya simply smashed everyone with indescribable beauty and grace, and their children will have children for all children.

      And where is there even a grain of untruth?
      You just ponder what has been said. wink
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  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 4 October 2013 22: 48 New
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    in general, Jews are very good girls, I still remember
  • Gronsky
    Gronsky 5 October 2013 00: 26 New
    +1
    You didn’t understand anything. It's about Jewish taunts and the best tanks in the world. And you are all about girls. Who hurts ..... wink
    1. Praetorian
      Praetorian 5 October 2013 18: 09 New
      +1
      Is there somewhere an adequate analysis of the T90, Merkava and Abrams? I would love to read it. So far, there is reason to believe that the tank is really good, at least.
  • Professor
    11 October 2013 11: 02 New
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    Active protection "Merkavy-4" took the BTR for the enemy missile

    On Thursday, October 10, during an operation conducted by the 9 Battalion of the 401 Armored Brigade in the north of the Gaza Strip, an emergency occurred.

    The Merkava-4 tanks of the 9th battalion were one of the first to be equipped with the latest Meil ​​Ruach active defense system (Vetrovka, export name Trophy) manufactured by Rafael.

    According to the Galey IDF radio station, as a result of the Vetrovka malfunction, one of the tanks worked, mistaking the Namer armored personnel carrier operating along with the Golani brigade as an enemy missile.

    Fortunately, the system did not launch an anti-missile anti-missile system, but an explosive was released. As a result of a system failure, no one was injured and no damage was caused. The IDF began to investigate the causes of the failure.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 11 October 2013 13: 02 New
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      Quote: Professor
      The IDF began investigating the causes of the failure.

      This is not a case of failure _ Why didn’t the missile defense system launch?
      Despite the apparent blackness of humor, this is the most topical _ If it worked, then why not properly?
      A complex failure of any system is always the worst.
      hi
  • mr_Doom
    mr_Doom 29 October 2013 17: 32 New
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    What does Vin Dizil do in the first pics in the back?