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New army field uniform should be produced from Russian materials

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October 1 2013 was an exhibition and seminar in the capital of Russia, which was dedicated to the Russian field uniform (summer and winter). The exhibition-seminar was held in Rosoboronzakaz and touched upon the problems of placing orders for the supply of items to the army. The seminar was attended by representatives of the Russian Union of Textile and Light Industry Entrepreneurs, the Ministry of Industry and Trade, federal procurement agencies for the state defense order and other professional associations, as well as heads of enterprises of the country's light and textile industry.


At the exhibition-seminar, the participants were presented promising samples of uniforms for employees of Russian law enforcement agencies. Representatives of the industry also gathered with government customers to discuss ways to implement the Russian Government Resolution No. 269, which prescribes the use of components and materials only of Russian and Belarusian production in the production of clothing property supplied under the state defense order.

During the exhibition and seminar, the deputy director of Rosoboronzakaz, Alexander Dombrovsky, noted that clothes and shoes for military personnel of the Russian army, in accordance with the requirements of the Government of the country, should be made from materials of Russian and Belarusian manufacturers. Alexander Dombrovsky explained that at present, in the production of uniforms for military personnel of the Russian army, materials and components of foreign production are used, but the situation, he said, will soon have to change. Dombrovsky also expressed his confidence that in the near future - in the 2014-2015 period, Russian and Belarusian manufacturers will be able to fully master the production of textiles and leather, which are necessary for the production of uniforms for servicemen of the armed forces of the Russian Federation Russian law enforcement agencies and departments.

New army field uniform should be produced from Russian materials


“We are focused on such steps by a resolution of the Russian government, which establishes additional requirements when placing orders for the supply of certain types of goods for the needs of federal executive bodies,” said the deputy director of Rosoboronzakaz. Alexander Dombrovsky drew particular attention to the fact that, following the results of the seminar, Rosoboronzakaz would develop a corresponding proposal to the Military-Industrial Commission of the country. According to the official, it is necessary to reach the new quality of the products supplied, to increase the effectiveness of the state defense order. “Such steps will allow Russian servicemen to perform the tasks that are determined by their intended use,” the official concluded.

Representatives of the country's Ministry of Defense, Ministry of Internal Affairs, Ministry of Emergency Situations, Ministry of Industry and Trade, as well as other interested ministries and departments from among the customers took part in the examination of the exhibition of the modern army field uniforms held in Moscow. Recall that the Russian army should completely switch to a new field uniform during 3 years. Until the end of this year, the Russian armed forces should receive 100 thousand sets of new field uniforms. In 2014, another 400 thousand field set will be delivered to the troops, in 2015 year - 500 thousand sets. All this will completely eliminate the need of the Russian Defense Ministry in military uniform for 3 years.

The new field uniform of the Russian army, which is known by the acronym WCHO - the all-season basic uniform kit, was presented to journalists and the public of 22 in August 2013 of the year in St. Petersburg, the uniform had already been put into mass production. The production of the new form for the Russian army is handled by the BTK Group in its factories located in the Leningrad Region (Boksitogorsk, Vsevolozhsk, Podporozhye). Currently, these factories are fully focused on the quality and timely execution of the order of the Russian Ministry of Defense.


During the presentation of the WCBO, the main focus was on the convenience of the scheme with multiple layers (8 layers). Currently, the unit commander establishes only the appearance of a fighter: what kind of jacket, pants and headgear a soldier should wear. At the same time, all that is worn under them, the fighter is free to choose on their own, based on their personal ideas about comfort. The all-season basic outfit kit includes an 23 piece of equipment that can be freely changed and varied depending on the climatic zone in which this or that military unit is located.

The new form is different and a lot of "cosmetic" innovations. For example, the shoulder straps on it are back on the shoulders of servicemen, and the stars and stars will eventually be replaced with embroidered ones. The gates on clothes will become a thing of the past with time. In addition, this kit will not remain with the soldier after his demobilization from the army, as is the case today, but will be handed over to the storage warehouse for storage and further use by new draftees. It is assumed that the lifetime of one set of VKBO will be 3 of the year.

During the presentation, particular attention was paid to high-tech materials used in the production of the new field form. However, not all of these wonderful materials are produced in Russia. Andrei Podoprigorin, a representative of the form developer’s company (previously worked on the client’s side, was in charge of the ware supply of the Russian Armed Forces) assured journalists that if the Russian Ministry of Defense signs a long-term contract with the company for the delivery of a field uniform for a period of at least 3, then the relevant technologies will be fully localized in enterprises within the country.


Speculation that the new field form - "cabbage" - as it was already called by Russian journalists and the military was copied from the American field form ACU - Army Combat Uniform for its layering, Andrei Podoprigorin retorted with this statement: "Tanks everything is similar in our place too - with armor, a tower and caterpillars. These are just today's trends in military field uniform. ” It is worth noting that the new field form, no matter what it looks like, came out really great. This is reflected in its value. In mass production, the price of each set of forms will be from 35 to 40 thousand rubles.

Information sources:
-http: //www.fsoz.gov.ru/press/14/1172/index.html
-http: //nis-army.org/ru/smi/voennosluzhashchie-poluchat-ocherednuyu-novuyu-formu
-http: //rosinform.ru/2013/10/01/voennaya-forma-budet-patriotichnee
-http: //vz.ru/news/2013/10/1/652838.html
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  1. Zhenya
    Zhenya 4 October 2013 08: 03 New
    -22
    Instead of berets, they would return the caps!
    1. Baron Wrangell
      Baron Wrangell 4 October 2013 08: 52 New
      34
      Quote: Marrying
      Instead of berets, they would return the caps!


      You apparently did not wear caps! A very uncomfortable headgear for the army! And if you also wear a helmet on it, then after removing it, that is, the cap is very similar to the female organ, it’s still the look, it’s not without reason that we called the cap in the army for nothing!
      1. Andrey_Irkutsk
        Andrey_Irkutsk 4 October 2013 09: 22 New
        15
        There is an expression - Take off p ... y - put on a cap. The cap is more convenient ..
        1. Altona
          Altona 4 October 2013 18: 29 New
          +7
          I agree ... The beret is made of wool, a good beret from felt-rolled rabbit fur ... Because of this, the beret is an expensive hat and impractical to wear in the summer, the fighter sweats, the sweat spoils the headgear, besides it does not have a visor. .. The cap has a visor, is more hygienic, erases well, sits well on the head, unlike the cap ... Americans because of this switched to their famous patrol caps, making two characteristic folds on the front for greater chic ... Symbiosis caps and the caps can be considered the German famous feldmütze, who has survived to this day — he dresses with one hand, folds up, has a visor ... Why am I writing about this because I have both an American and a German ...
          1. saygon66
            saygon66 4 October 2013 19: 18 New
            +6
            - Then it’s panama ... Saves from the sun, in the rain water does not flow behind the collar, you can put on a mosquito net, a helmet on top is also easy, plus the ability to mount vegetable camouflage ...
            1. Altona
              Altona 4 October 2013 20: 04 New
              +1
              I wore Panama in training ... There are downsides, dimensions and wind resistance ... smile
        2. AndreyAB
          AndreyAB 5 October 2013 15: 30 New
          +3
          I agree, he takes it in its current form, spread over the head ... in Soviet times there were berets and were worn like berets, and now they licked from NATO eagles and wore 2 sizes less and smeared on the head, well, to stretch this stupidity in the army is considered a daredevil.
      2. erg
        erg 4 October 2013 11: 31 New
        +2
        I wore a beret in the army. Even less comfortable hat. The pilot can be put on with one hand, it folds comfortably and can be placed in your pocket. Beret is good for dress, but no more.
        1. Max_Bauder
          Max_Bauder 4 October 2013 13: 59 New
          0
          Whatever the headgear, it should protect the temples and forehead from the sun in the summer, and the ears and back of the head from the cold in winter. A cap in the summer, an earflaps in the winter, or just a universal helmet in the winter and summer.

          Most of all I liked the field uniform of the Russian Tsarist army in 1865-1977. green in the Russian-Turkish war and desert white in the campaigns of Central Asia.
      3. Alexander Petrovich
        Alexander Petrovich 4 October 2013 14: 07 New
        0
        But was it allowed to wear a helmet on a cap? This spoils the headgear.
      4. artgrad
        artgrad 11 January 2014 12: 45 New
        0
        he takes a cap, a cap, a cap with earflaps, it’s not worthwhile to put on these hats, what’s called a helmet!) That's where the look is ridiculous ... + the green color of the form in winter
      5. Ded_Ivanov
        Ded_Ivanov April 25 2014 14: 07 New
        0
        The helmet should be worn on the headgear from the field kit and not on the cap. The pilot was a great thing especially in the summer, and it looked great!
    2. Leisure
      Leisure 4 October 2013 09: 46 New
      14
      Return the Kiver and Bogatyrka. And clean the guns with a brick.
      1. erg
        erg 4 October 2013 11: 36 New
        -1
        Speaking of budenovka or hero. My grandfather, a former aviation colonel, left a budenovka, which he wore as a cadet of a flight school (he graduated in 38). I wore it at one time, until I became small, put it on fishing, for mushrooms. My feelings: a cap is a cap, just as comfortable. I didn’t put it on in the winter, so I can’t say anything about the heat-protective properties.
      2. Alexander Petrovich
        Alexander Petrovich 4 October 2013 14: 10 New
        0
        Well, by God, how much can you mow down the west? You can’t come up with your own? It sometimes seems to me that the current Russian form of stupid copy-paste from Western models, do our designers really suffer from narrow-mindedness and can’t come up with anything of their own that would make it different?
        1. koosss
          koosss 4 October 2013 14: 25 New
          +2
          “Our tanks are also all alike - with armor, a tower and caterpillars. These are just the current trends in military field uniforms. ” recourse
          1. Alexander Petrovich
            Alexander Petrovich 4 October 2013 14: 42 New
            -3
            Quote: koosss
            “Our tanks are also all alike - with armor, a tower and caterpillars. These are just the current trends in military field uniforms. ” recourse

            You went too far about tanks, ours differ both in appearance and in size. I think the form is still at least something, but should distinguish one army from another. On p_indos begin to look like, pah.
            1. No_more
              No_more 4 October 2013 19: 55 New
              +8
              Quote: Alexander Petrovich

              Well, by God, how much can you mow down the west? You can’t come up with your own?

              Правда всегда одна. Всё делать по своему ради того, просто чтоб "не как у них" - это не разумно.
              Great shape for everyone except berets.
              1. Alexander Petrovich
                Alexander Petrovich 5 October 2013 20: 38 New
                +1
                It’s not wise to do nothing at all. But the Russian army is not American, and to do everything as the neighbor does is not correct.
        2. Altona
          Altona 4 October 2013 18: 39 New
          +8
          What for? Americans constantly practice cutting and sewing, stupidly take their cut sets BDU and ACU ... Camouflage, a kind of symbiosis of cartoons and marpat ...
    3. Rustam
      Rustam 4 October 2013 10: 02 New
      +1
      should be produced from Russian materials


      These are just slogans and no more
      Now all the accessories and fabrics with which the form is sewn are made for the army and for the Ministry of Internal Affairs mainly in China and their service life is short

      Use the best imported materials or accessories such as MIL-DTL-31011B (MIL-SPEC) or the same thread as COATS, VELCRO, no one will ever be unprofitable and hate

      That's after what is issued at the warehouse, but usually those who go on business trips (the Ministry of Internal Affairs) instead of receiving a form receive money for it at the box office, and go to buy according to individual requirements or order from the hillock and Woodland and Surpathians and cartoons and many other
      1. Orel
        Orel 4 October 2013 10: 35 New
        -6
        It is worth noting that the new field form, no matter what it looks like, came out really great. This is reflected in its value. In mass production, the price of each set of form will be from 35 to 40 thousand rubles.


        Somehow expensive. ACU kit is much cheaper. Everyone can even order online now, although it may also be in mind the winter uniform, then the price is more adequate, but still it is not really believed that our army is ready to spend $ 1 each year on clothes of a soldier ...
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 4 October 2013 20: 26 New
          +7
          Quote: Orel
          ACU kit is much cheaper.

          oh well, ACU A-TACS from Propper summer - winter, with shoes and unloading - 42 000 rubles ...
          1. Orel
            Orel 5 October 2013 09: 07 New
            +1
            oh well, ACU A-TACS from Propper summer - winter, with shoes and unloading - 42 000 rubles ...


            Да не в этом же суть. Я про то, что у нас каждый министр обороны "одевает" или уж как кому угодно "ОБУВАЕТ" армию. Каждый раз высокие комиссии одобряют форму, а новый министр ее всегда заменяет! Что это за цирк? Деньги потом куда-то опять осваиваются. Понимаете куда ветер дует.
        2. wei
          wei 4 October 2013 22: 04 New
          +6
          about a hat is better
          [img]http://im0-tub-ru.yandex.net/i?id=96469640-35-72&n=21[/img]
          Quote: Orel
          for the clothes of one fighter annually at 1 dollars

          for 3 year soldier
        3. Juleandr
          Juleandr 12 November 2013 23: 25 New
          +1
          Well, why every year? The article says that the term of the form is 3 years. So, only $ 500 a year comes out.
      2. Skipper
        Skipper 4 October 2013 11: 26 New
        -1
        Вот кстать обзор на тему "поменять" twower.livejournal.com/1129019.html
        Judging by the opinion of specialists (users), the set is not ice at all
      3. Slavs69
        Slavs69 4 October 2013 15: 41 New
        -2
        Деньги на форму (вернее компенсацию за форменное обмундирование не полученное на складе)получают (МВД) по итогам 2,3 лет. Суммы у всех разные и зависят от колличества форменного обмундирования, которое ты не стал получать или не получил, по каким то причинам, на складе. А то, что покупают "коммерческую форму" - это да. Можно сравнить по ОМОНам и СОБРам в СКР.
    4. Navy7981
      Navy7981 4 October 2013 12: 00 New
      0
      Offer cocked hat! wink
    5. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 4 October 2013 14: 56 New
      -1
      тогда уже "буденновку" вернуть...
      1. alone
        alone 4 October 2013 23: 14 New
        +4
        better return caps archers. they are more convenient wassat
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 5 October 2013 23: 29 New
          0
          Quote: lonely
          better return caps archers. they are more convenient wassat

          good
    6. Altona
      Altona 4 October 2013 23: 23 New
      +7
      Зачем минусите парня? Пилотка тоже своего рода легенда...Деды в ней в атаку ходили...Я сам пилотку носил...Письма друзьям писали..."Привет, шуруп!" (пилотку носит значит)...В ответ- "Привет, гвоздь!" (Погранец, фуражку носит)...Иэээххх, иваны, родства не помнящие...
  2. Su-9
    Su-9 4 October 2013 08: 07 New
    +2
    Sounds an idea soundly. The feasibility of localizing the production of high-tech fabrics is extremely doubtful. Even more doubtful is the economic efficiency of this action. There are many reasons why these industries are neither in Russia nor Belarus. In my opinion, it would be better if the money necessary for the construction of specialized textile and fiber factories (which had never been in the USSR) were invested in what is and still is warming - in the same shipbuilding or in electronics. The fact that almost the entire elemental base is made in China will soon seem like no one cares, but who will do the gortex for some reason is very important ...
  3. Denis
    Denis 4 October 2013 08: 08 New
    0
    Somehow it’s stupid to raise such a question, everything should be only your own
    One can see the opportunity to cash in on foreign supplies does not allow someone to sleep peacefully
    His work lives on!
    yes and stools too
  4. Su-9
    Su-9 4 October 2013 08: 11 New
    10
    Да, и ещё: "...а будет сдаваться на вещевой склад для хранения и дальнейшего использования новыми призывниками." Вот отлично - призывают тебя значит, и дают "высокотехнологичный" заношенный застиранный комплект. Вот он, б... престиж военной службы. Стыд позор.
    1. Juleandr
      Juleandr 12 November 2013 23: 34 New
      +1
      Yes, in the Western armies, in the same America or the Bundeswehr, they are not ashamed and worn. When I served the term, I also received 3 used kits, since after 9 months of service the Bundes uniform does not wear out. As he signed the contract, they gave out everything new. And the decommissioned Bundeswehr uniform was later sold in various CIS stores for hunters and fishermen. So if the form is of high quality, then it doesn’t wash and dash so quickly!
  5. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 4 October 2013 08: 34 New
    25
    Remove award planks, multi-colored emblems, yellow inscriptions and other jewelry from the field form. Camouflage should hide the soldier on the battlefield as much as possible, and not delight the eyes of the Minister of Defense with a game of colors in the sun.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 4 October 2013 10: 16 New
      +9
      So the field is of two types, one without planks and with stripes of protective color, the other as in the picture. One transforms into another easily, all Velcro patches
    2. KERGUDU BIMBAR
      KERGUDU BIMBAR 4 October 2013 10: 52 New
      +2
      , DON'T EASY THE SNIPER'S VIEW THROUGH THE GLASS OF THE SIGHT!

      laughing
    3. erg
      erg 4 October 2013 11: 45 New
      -2
      Here apparently follow the Russian tradition, in peacetime, on the field form is allowed to wear colored elements. But I agree with you, why the hell so many stripes. Moreover, duplicating each other. The flag on the sleeve should probably indicate belonging to Russia, but below it is a departmental emblem with a double-headed eagle, which also speaks of nationality (otherwise why was it created with an element of the state coat of arms?).
  6. Su-9
    Su-9 4 October 2013 08: 36 New
    22
    As I understand it, the one who is here minus likes to wear homespun cloths already worn for 2 years with 2 different raguli. With patches. Dots on underpants. Clear smell. I repeat once again. Giving a well-worn uniform to conscripts of the Russian army - while Moscow has more Bentley than any other city in the world - SHAME SHAME!
    1. user
      user 4 October 2013 10: 51 New
      +3
      I agree that everyone who at least once received in a used warehouse saw that instead of the put and the whole, you can get anything, anything and in any condition. And after all I didn’t find fault: trousers 1, jacket 1, and as for state, it’s also B / U.
      And suddenly, a conflict with China, but what about We - we have Chinese hardware and accessories. Therefore, I clicked and ordered by Interntety, it is not suitable for the army.
      Anyway, sooner or later we will have to create this production at home.
      1. stannifer
        stannifer 4 October 2013 11: 37 New
        +4
        Странно. Проходил такое же - но если с вещами нормально обращаться, как у людей - перед выдачей б/у обмундирования его не только постирать, но и проверить, исправить, непригодное - выбросить, и т.п., то для "полевой" вполне сойдёт.
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 4 October 2013 18: 01 New
      +1
      - У нормального старшины комплекты б\у выдаются на работы в парке, камбузному наряду, на хозработы и "в поле" - это сберегает "повседневку". Сейчас баталерки пусты - подменку несчего выдать. У напарника сейчас сын в морехах- покупали КЗС, берет, портупею и ещё много по мелочи!
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 4 October 2013 23: 10 New
        -3
        - Shucher! Nasrullah on the site! All silently minus, my friend?
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 4 October 2013 23: 16 New
          -3
          - HEY BABY!
          1. saygon66
            saygon66 4 October 2013 23: 47 New
            +1
            - Well, the point is grated, does not hold a torn hollow? Well, shit, maybe it’s better ...
    3. Altona
      Altona 4 October 2013 23: 30 New
      +4
      For everyday life, I think, it is necessary to give a cheaper option, without a rip-stop, simplified cut, such as BDU ... By the way, BDU in cut is generally quite special ... Second, do not give all tactical eggs with all the bells and whistles, in scientific A company just needs enough clean trousers and tunics, without tactical gadgets, the mechanics of the pea jacket will also be enough to hang around in the garage, I’m deliberately exaggerating ... In the CA there were security standards for every kind of troops ...
    4. Altona
      Altona 5 October 2013 00: 06 New
      +2
      In general, God forbid war, I will wear an American ... First, they won’t take me to regular units, by age, and secondly, for partisanism, the form of the enemy without stripes is preferable ... Like in Afghanistan, form No. 8 that poked then we wear it ... Why proclaim yourself a target in advance? And in fact the same overalls ... All one without shoulder straps ... Here is such a landlize ...
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 5 October 2013 00: 13 New
        0
        - К вопросу о вероятных мишенях... Незнакомый камуфляж скорее всего станет мишенью для обоих сторон... те-же палестинцы носили кожанки и джинсы - Бросил ствол и "я не я"...
        1. Altona
          Altona 5 October 2013 00: 20 New
          +2
          Кстати, неплохой вопрос...Если по большому счету, то форма всего лишь одежда, начнем с этого...Сейчас в неё пытаются упихнуть интеллектуальные дела,обогревающие и охлаждающие нити, элементы питания для всяких амейских смартфонов и радиостанций, датчики "свой-чужой"...Самое главное-человек тёплый и в тепловизор его один фиг видать...
          1. saygon66
            saygon66 5 October 2013 00: 26 New
            +1
            - So far, not every fighter has thermal imagers, although in French FELIN they tried to fight heat transfer ...
            1. Altona
              Altona 5 October 2013 00: 29 New
              +2
              There is a radical way to cool a fighter with liquid nitrogen ... laughing
              1. saygon66
                saygon66 5 October 2013 00: 47 New
                +2
                Это про анабиоз, да? Такой боец "переспит" любого противника! smile
              2. novobranets
                novobranets 5 October 2013 16: 25 New
                0
                Quote: Altona
                cool the fighter with liquid nitrogen ...

                Only then you can’t turn over - it can break.
  7. taseka
    taseka 4 October 2013 08: 39 New
    +1
    Всё выставки,семинары,презентации, показы и демонстрации с тендерами! Надоело это шоу, под названием "скоро будет"
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 4 October 2013 08: 52 New
      +4
      citation-The new field uniform of the Russian army, which is known by the acronym WKBO - an all-season set of basic uniforms, was presented to journalists and the public on 22 on August 2013 in St. Petersburg, previously the form had already been put into serial production.


      1. alone
        alone 4 October 2013 23: 18 New
        -1
        All this is an ordinary cut of funds. The question is how much can you change the shape?
        answer: while there is something to steal from the budget of the army
      2. AndreyAB
        AndreyAB 5 October 2013 15: 39 New
        +2
        It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines - as always. Yes, and the fighter does not understand what he is talking about, locks break in the field, clips fly off and in the field it can not be repaired, and often it is a matter of life and death.
  8. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 4 October 2013 08: 44 New
    -3
    Quote: Su-9
    Вот отлично - призывают тебя значит, и дают "высокотехнологичный" заношенный застиранный комплект. Вот он, б... престиж военной службы. Стыд позор.

    The washed-out kit, I think, will be used as a replacement. And what’s home? In full dress? Also money down the drain.
  9. Nickanor
    Nickanor 4 October 2013 08: 49 New
    15
    Пусть она сколько угодно сдаётся на склад после службы, в резерв "на всякий случай" если уж западло отдать отслужившему человеку форму за 30-40 тыр. Но выдавать её следующему призыву - это просто позор, подрывающий моральный дух будущего солдата. Ходить в обносках - свинство!
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 4 October 2013 13: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: Nickanor
      Пусть она сколько угодно сдаётся на склад после службы, в резерв "на всякий случай" если уж западло отдать отслужившему человеку форму за 30-40 тыр.

      We must give it away, of course, but with the obligation to keep a certain period of time, and in the event of a call for mobilization and for training, immediately come in your form. How many gimors immediately removed to ensure ...
      1. Nickanor
        Nickanor 5 October 2013 03: 53 New
        +1
        But do not give the next call!

        A man comes to serve, and receives patchwork patches.
        Those. those who are minusers really believe that serving in castoffs is normal?
        Especially when millions are invested in rearmament ...
  10. Seaman
    Seaman 4 October 2013 08: 49 New
    +4
    For the Armed Forces, everything must be yours! This is an axiom!
  11. alekseyal
    alekseyal 4 October 2013 09: 07 New
    +2
    The main thing is that again they do not spoil everything as with the form that Yudashkin originally developed.
    There the wrong materials were used (to reduce the cost)
  12. rsv75
    rsv75 4 October 2013 09: 10 New
    -5
    Суть шумихи непонятен. Будет новая форма или нет, ну оденут полтора землекопа в новый "комок". Сколько халва не говори сладко во рту не станет. Нас отвлекают от главного мелким.
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 4 October 2013 10: 23 New
      0
      By May 9, they will definitely be dressed, you will see! They will pass by the main passage past the Mausoleum ...
  13. Kair501
    Kair501 4 October 2013 09: 10 New
    -4
    people, why in a new outfit you can’t make a helmet like a motorcycle helmet to protect your face and from dust and chemical attacks?
    1. creak
      creak 4 October 2013 11: 18 New
      +6
      And how can a helmet like a motorcycle protect against a chemical attack? This is not a gas mask ... And try to run in such a helmet and unload in the heat for at least a couple of hours, you don’t want to if you can stand it anymore ... War is not paintball ...
    2. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 4 October 2013 12: 17 New
      -4
      There are such helmets, used in special forces, expensive and heavy. A great topic about domestic helmets.
      http://forums.bkb-vityaz.ru/viewtopic.php?p=12013#12013
      You must rewind to the top of the page.
    3. saygon66
      saygon66 4 October 2013 18: 42 New
      -1
      -Подобные шлемы обкатывались в армии Голландии, в 2011г., Шлем модульный, комплектуется в зависимости от выполняемых задач. Назывался - "Галея"( это что-то римское?)0- баллистические очки и наушники, 1-собственно шлем, с возможностью монтажа ноктовизора, 2-то-же, но с защитой ушей, 3-с баллистическими пылезащитными очками,защитой шеи и челюсти.
      1. kostya_a
        kostya_a 4 October 2013 19: 34 New
        +6
        Army of Holland ?? Nah ... I haven't heard request
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 5 October 2013 01: 05 New
          +4
          - Well then, a thing from OpsKor (ops-core)
        2. saygon66
          saygon66 5 October 2013 01: 07 New
          +1
          - Or, for example, AUSA (AUSA) ^
          1. AndreyAB
            AndreyAB 5 October 2013 15: 37 New
            0
            A la biker - variations on the theme of a military helmet, soon there will be an ala builder and a la climber.
  14. Internal combustion engine
    Internal combustion engine 4 October 2013 09: 11 New
    0
    And do not remove the jackets from the warehouses, you never know ...
  15. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 4 October 2013 09: 41 New
    -3
    Well, they would have sewed an army uniform somewhere over the hill!
    1. Denis
      Denis 4 October 2013 10: 18 New
      -5
      Quote: LaGlobal
      Well, they would have sewed an army uniform somewhere over the hill!
      An example was set. It is doubtful that the costumes of the stool and all of it ... lyad-teams were sewn at the Bolshevichka factory. And still they have not been replaced by the Zekov robe
    2. No_more
      No_more 4 October 2013 20: 07 New
      -4
      Here, as in the entire defense industry, such a problem - it seems that strategically important should be produced in the Russian Federation, and not abroad, but here in the Russian Federation it produces one plant that breaks prices and ships the marriage. And spin as you want.
      My brother at the Samara Bearing Plant works in planning, and so there, every year and two, he does not ship what he paid for (for various reasons, more often because there is simply nothing to ship). And it happens that bearings that do not pass by noise (for submarines, for example) are shipped, but you have to take what they give, because take no where else.
      True, there is where - abroad. Even cheaper would be made and better, but not impossible.
  16. vty971
    vty971 4 October 2013 10: 05 New
    0
    Over the past 3-4 years, the army has been dressed in the second race, the first one (Yudashkin), which also looked great at the shows, and what came of it, came from Yudashkin’s words (I’m not at all innocent, my materials were high-quality, and I didn’t think of broadcasting a chest strap ) and in the end the soldiers were freezing. In my opinion, the next laundering of budget money, one on this has now earned, let the other.
  17. vty971
    vty971 4 October 2013 10: 22 New
    -2
    In Soviet times, uniforms were developed at research institutes and for each type of troops individually based on the tasks performed.
    1. ural70
      ural70 4 October 2013 11: 00 New
      11
      В Советское время что то не наблюдал большого различая в форме родов войск (естественно, за исключением ВМФ). Небольшие отличия от других были в летней хб форме в ТурКВО. "За речкой" во второй половине 80-х у всех была одинаковая песочка - "эксперименталка" или обычное хб. Комки, выдаваемые с начала 89 года в ВДВ, ВВ, у морпехов, тоже ни чем не отличались.
    2. Su-9
      Su-9 4 October 2013 20: 49 New
      -4
      They could have developed it at institutes too, but everyone who flew on combat - put on our synthetic coveralls - since they lit up first on the body ...
  18. Koronik
    Koronik 4 October 2013 10: 32 New
    -3
    There is no wrong Minister of Defense Shoigu who would allow us to steal money from the defense and let our soldiers go anywhere.
    1. corn
      corn 4 October 2013 20: 40 New
      -3
      everyone writes on the site they steal, and then suddenly one, like in a joke I and in a white tailcoat.
  19. shamilT67
    shamilT67 4 October 2013 10: 37 New
    +1
    In UVO on RD there was never a shape in size. Constantly 50 last size. And they don’t give money for the purchase. They say they give you a salary and buy it. And you can choose the size only in the store. Where and where in Dagestan they know how to do at the expense of the state.
  20. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 4 October 2013 10: 58 New
    +5
    Somehow everything began to change quickly.
    A new weapon, the uniform of which you can dream of, exercises that have not been held for two decades.
    Уважение и "испуг" постоянных "друзей".
    And more recently, they argued whether the ruble will be convertible and pensions 300 rubles.
  21. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 4 October 2013 11: 04 New
    -4
    What a senility. Military and political training in the army is breathing, the equipment is sad. Soviet generals will leave the post and it’s scary to think about the army’s further combat worthiness. And to him the whole form is numb. Damn sick gastritis cure for diarrhea.
  22. Sharingan
    Sharingan 4 October 2013 11: 25 New
    -4
    IMHO, the epaulette on the chest is still better (on the field uniform, on unloading, on the armor), nothing clings to the machine’s belt, and for snipers it is visible from a smaller number of angles.
  23. Federal
    Federal 4 October 2013 11: 30 New
    -1
    форма не плохая но когда вместе ведер будут красивые а ля вермахт каски, сша, французики, немцы выглядят просто красавцами по сравнению с вс рф. Есть хорошая ведь каска Сфера у ВВ возьмите ее, ну пора уже в ногу со временем жить а не в 19 веке, ну да и пилотки и пулемет максим на вооружение с тачанками, бред, сделайте солдата модным и красивым наподобие киборга пойдут и контракт и не контракт, а так в обносках с котелками на головах, извените, генералы хоть бы листали журналы и ТВ смотрели о форме партнеров. А свое "уникальное" это мы уже проходили, давайте испытанное и стильное, форма СС от Хуго Босса ничего так до сих пор пол мира вставляет?
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 4 October 2013 12: 16 New
      +5
      and in order to talk about the Sphere near the BB, it is necessary to blaspheme it in motorized rifle troops, for example, for starters, and then the opinion may change. The order from the Ministry of Internal Affairs for these helmets was for special forces, because it does not provide for prolonged wearing (helmet weight).
      and what kind of buckets in our army? there are still old ones, but there are plenty of normal ones in the army.





      indeed it’s time for some to follow the changes in the RF Armed Forces, and not to nod to the west
      1. AndreyAB
        AndreyAB 5 October 2013 15: 36 New
        -1
        Каска с ушками, прикольненько и гламурненько и не "дорого".
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 4 October 2013 18: 52 New
      0
      - Красивые каски -это ДА! "Господин лейтенант! Нас атакуют солдаты противника!
      “Are they beautiful?”
      - Probably not...
      - Тогда "огонь"!
    3. artgrad
      artgrad 10 October 2013 21: 42 New
      0
      Here, here I agree! Why it is impossible to use modern lightweight materials, just stamp the recognizable shape of helmets of the special forces of the Russian Federation, slightly reduce the dimensions for ease of movement!
  24. understudy
    understudy 4 October 2013 11: 30 New
    0
    Саня Домбровский служил, но позабылось, видать, на сколько хватает обмундирования нашему бойцу. Гражданские костюмы в офисах по 3 года не носят, а здесь военная форма... "Чудны дела твои, Господи!" (с) request
  25. APASUS
    APASUS 4 October 2013 11: 52 New
    +2
    no matter how it looks, with whose copy ours were not made, if only it would be good for the soldier!
    With a shoulder strap on his chest, there’s nowhere to go - a hat! He took off only a week ago, was a partisan.
  26. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 4 October 2013 12: 10 New
    -3
    Очевидно это форма мирного времени и ограниченных конфликтов, имеет ли смысл привязываться к Российским тканям, если всё равно по войне будут шить проще и из того что есть. То что полевая форма подчёркиваю - для призывников, будет "многоразовой" страшного ничего нет. Иначе придётся контрактникам выдавать форму с длительным сроком носки, а призывникам что-то другое, с меньшим. Все начнут ныть - ну вот опять, о каком престиже срочной службы может идти речь и т.д.
  27. User_internet
    User_internet 4 October 2013 12: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: Sharingan
    IMHO, the epaulette on the chest is still better (on the field uniform, on unloading, on the armor), nothing clings to the machine’s belt, and for snipers it is visible from a smaller number of angles.

    I agree shoulder straps on the field form out of place, constantly tearing off. Could return cubes and rhombuses to the vole collars.
  28. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 4 October 2013 12: 58 New
    +9
    The country is huge, the climate is different. Therefore, multi-layered so that they would not sweat in Sochi, and in Murmansk they would not freeze.
  29. satellite
    satellite 4 October 2013 13: 11 New
    +4
    For these purposes, they want to build 2 factories in the city of Ivanovo for the production of special fabrics, both for the military and for the Ministry of Emergencies and firefighters
  30. ko88
    ko88 4 October 2013 13: 14 New
    +1
    God help you. yes
  31. volan
    volan 4 October 2013 14: 56 New
    +1
    Пока люди, проектирующие экипировку, будут руководствоваться всякими "тенденциями", а не "практичностью", то боюсь путёвой полевой формы может и не быть!
  32. Letnab
    Letnab 4 October 2013 15: 09 New
    +1
    I wonder how the issue of washing, processing a new form from lice and scabies has been resolved? in the case of hostilities, these issues are very real !!! because new materials, such as thermal underwear .. they don’t really like the temperature .... but just washing in cold water and getting rid of these nasty things will not work ..
    1. Altona
      Altona 4 October 2013 18: 36 New
      +5
      So washing and cleaning seems to be outsourced, there probably are specially trained people with appropriate washers and dry cleaners ..
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 4 October 2013 21: 12 New
        -3
        Quote: Altona
        I wonder how the issue of washing, processing a new form from lice and scabies has been resolved? in the case of hostilities, these issues are very real !!!

        Quote: Altona
        So washing and cleaning is like outsourcing,


        Сомнительно как-то чтобы вошьплатяная или клещ чесоточный убоялись какого-то там аутсорсинга. Им только "вошебойка" страшна.

        Quote: Altona
        because new materials, such as thermal underwear .. they don’t really like the temperature ...

        It would not have been necessary to crush these evil and biting parasites with a glass bottle on a hard even surface.
        1. Altona
          Altona 4 October 2013 23: 41 New
          +1
          I don’t ascribe a quote about thermal underwear ... Actually, military clothes and shoes come with sanitary impregnations, shoes for fungus, clothes for parasites and biting insects ..
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 4 October 2013 23: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: Altona
            About underwear quote is not mine, do not ascribe.

            I apologize, the pad accidentally came out.
            Quote: Altona
            Generally now military clothes and shoes come with sanitary impregnations

            Above we are talking about a three-year period of wear, whether the dignity is sufficient. impregnation? Or two or three washings, and some memories of impregnation.
            1. Altona
              Altona 5 October 2013 00: 26 New
              +2
              In general, a three-year term is from the evil one, it’s already some kind of fraud at the top ... Every day in the US Army is smashed in half a year, and it is sewn better than ours ... But in general there aren’t used any cosmic fabrics, all the same mix- 65% hb and 35% pe ...
  33. Ascetic
    Ascetic 4 October 2013 16: 23 New
    +1
    It is worth noting that the new field form, no matter what it looks like, came out really great. This is reflected in its value. In mass production, the price of each set of form will be from 35 to 40 thousand rubles.


    Недавно тот же Подопригорин озвучивал другую цифру в 50-70тыс. Также он заявил что е все эти чудесные материалы новой "капусты" производятся в России однако заверил, что в случае, если с Минобороны будет заключен долгосрочный контракт на поставку, сроком хотя бы на три года, соответствующие технологии будут локализованы на российских предприятиях. Хотелось бы в это верить, что именно туда пойдет прибыль от контракта а не на development budgetary funds in the form of the purchase of yachts and foreign real estate.
    In general, in my opinion, the most advanced synthetics will not replace mabutu сшитую из уникальных нитей египетского хлопка,которая во-первых практически несносима,во-вторых "дышит" в отличие от синтетики, в-третьих её удобно стирать и она неприхотлива в обслуживании и гигиенична.в отличие от многослойки которая требует более тщательного ухода. Плюс всегда относился с недоверием к молниям и липучкам,которые быстро ломаются и забиваются грязью в полевых условиях и в отличие от банальной пуговицы их самостоятельно солдат не пришьет.Хотя выглядит удобно и красиво. Ну а обувь это отдельная больная тема. Не случайно в войсках уже слышны требования вернуть портянки и сапоги.Значит качественных и разнообразных берцев до сих пор нет, окромя дубовых демисизонок.
  34. Kir
    Kir 4 October 2013 16: 24 New
    -3
    But it’s not entirely pleasant, since what kind of domestic materials can one speak in the full sense of when there is no equipment of your own, look at all these new-made manufactures by Ralfringer or Faraday, but everything from consumables to equipment is alien, or made under license, damn it you can say their equipment is guaranteed to work only with their materials, or be prepared at your own expense, and a lot in case of which it needs to be repaired since your warranty service is by-bye.

    In general, the state of affairs can be judged at least by WISTI (albeit sports specifics), excuse me, how many tenants are there now?
  35. krokodil_gena71
    krokodil_gena71 4 October 2013 16: 32 New
    +1
    Over the course of twelve months, the conscripts-conscripts so much at her (form) that they will not pull in the second, but also in the third category. Next, several questions arise: how does our valiant MORF suggest issuing a new form of so many names at assembly points (in parts)? Will there be all sizes or, as always, the hope of soldier ingenuity? But earlier, a fighter could have sewn, filed, and now, in the light of new decisions, I think he will call my mother. What will the fighter go home after the service? Who will accept used, post, store, wash, etc.? States inflate? Now at least he gave the form (whatever it was) to the conscript - and forgot. The last time I sewed at the expense of MORF in 2000, now I let the form get into a robe, because there are no sizes, either on Uncle Stepa or on a bun, and after the first or second washing it turns into a rag. You have to buy a normal one. I still wear an Afghan woman (graduated from college in 1992).
    1. Doctor Evil
      Doctor Evil 4 October 2013 17: 23 New
      0
      You're right. Not only are they laughed at, they’re still half a set of pro ... (they’ll lose). As a result, the foreman in the battalion will have a bunch of junk of different names, sizes and degrees of wear. You will have to give out what is available. Result - the fighter looks like a scarecrow.
  36. Altona
    Altona 4 October 2013 18: 34 New
    +8
    I will also add that almost all modern clothes came to us from military, now on the contrary, military clothes absorb modern developments - fleece, membrane linings, rip-stop nylon amplifiers, digital camouflage, which is also already outdated, giving way to fabrics with an adaptable color. ..
  37. dengy12
    dengy12 4 October 2013 19: 44 New
    +5
    Quote: Alexander Petrovich
    Well, by God, how much can you mow down the west? You can’t come up with your own? It sometimes seems to me that the current Russian form of stupid copy-paste from Western models, do our designers really suffer from narrow-mindedness and can’t come up with anything of their own that would make it different?

    But what can you come up with a fundamentally new?
    1. Altona
      Altona 4 October 2013 22: 45 New
      +8
      There’s not quite a hike under the West ... The Pentagon is constantly waging regional wars, and of course it seeks to put its army in something practical, constantly monitors the situation with clothes, develops new outfits, draws new camouflages, an entire industry in general with reverse and vertical connections ... Not without corruption, of course, where would it be without it, because the contractors sew uniforms not in the USA themselves, but in Latin America ... These are Pythagorean pants ... with stripes ...
  38. morpogr
    morpogr 4 October 2013 20: 18 New
    0
    But for sailors, the ceremonial uniform does not change as beautiful.
    1. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 4 October 2013 21: 21 New
      +3
      Beautiful, they did not try at +30 in warm, black, woolen trousers to walk. The pleasure is unforgettable. But everyday robe and pea jacket is a thing, practical and convenient.
      I also noticed the naval overcoat for some reason is warmer than the army, although it seems to be thinner.
      1. morpogr
        morpogr 5 October 2013 10: 54 New
        +1
        I tried and walked. He served in Anapa in the summer what temperature there is no need to explain. I'm talking about the appearance, but this is not an everyday uniform, but a full-dress uniform. I agree with the robe and pea jacket, especially the robe is comfortable at least buttons to hang up and undress and put on 15-20 seconds.
  39. corn
    corn 4 October 2013 20: 55 New
    -1
    Dear!
    I, an officer who graduated from the rear logistics and transport academy, will not undertake to discuss the advantages and disadvantages of the uniform, even if I were asked without trying on myself and without receiving reliable opinions from other people.
    1. Altona
      Altona 4 October 2013 22: 39 New
      +6
      Buy a commercial version of the American military coat of arms at Voentorg, and appreciate it and fit in the farm ... I wear with pleasure ... In the forest for mushrooms, for fishing, quite, pockets big-knives, flashlights easily fit ...
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 5 October 2013 16: 42 New
        0
        Buy a commercial version of the American military
        And you’ll tear horseradish, reinforced fabric. An interesting moment, it is not blown by the wind, but passes air.
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 4 October 2013 23: 02 New
      -4
      - Имею возможность "обнашивать" штатные образцы униформы НАТО (б\у), об удобстве кроя судить сложно, а по качеству ткани и пошива примерно так: Скандинавы ( "финнов" не носил),затем- Штаты, Австрия,Голландия,Бельгия. Потом- Германия, Франция, и Англия, которая сильно поплохела, увеличив долю синтетики в ткани. Как-то так...
      1. Altona
        Altona 4 October 2013 23: 16 New
        +4
        Pure NATO should not be worn, the fabric is initially worse than on the civilian version ...
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 4 October 2013 23: 19 New
          -2
          - Well, it will cost a little more ...
          1. Altona
            Altona 4 October 2013 23: 37 New
            +2
            Expensive of course, where to go? But that is the choice ... Mil-tech is cheap, for example, and Propper is expensive ... I didn’t want to do advertising, let it slip ...
          2. saygon66
            saygon66 4 October 2013 23: 39 New
            +1
            - By the way, recently I got information that the United States Ministry of Defense put in a well-known position the manufacturers of uniforms UCP (gray number) and OCP (multicam) by reducing purchases under the pretext of switching to more modern camouflage patterns (Cryptek, Edge Design, Brookwood) at the same time not determined in preferences, and not making orders. They also have problems ... laughing
            1. Altona
              Altona 4 October 2013 23: 51 New
              +2
              Cryptocurrencies are more expensive, it can probably be rolled back to the buyer ... After all, he’s not a pixel, he’s completely camouflage, his idea is based on the effect of eroding the target in such a color ... Allegedly, the fighter will be such a stain with incomprehensible contours ... A crypto is already an attempt to create a fighter a chameleon ... Especially in a scaly color, it supposedly merges with the stones surrounding it ...
              1. saygon66
                saygon66 5 October 2013 00: 09 New
                0
                - I saw samples of Cryptek's fabric, - the same case when the virtual surpasses reality ... Pencott (Greenzone) or (Badland) looks more interesting. Moreover, all these drawings work in daylight, when testing with night vision devices, only Marpat works more or less, Kriptek looks just a bright spot ...
  40. mithridate
    mithridate 5 October 2013 09: 44 New
    0
    another driban of the military budget. And when will it end already?
  41. AndreyAB
    AndreyAB 5 October 2013 15: 31 New
    0
    He takes it in its present form, a pancake spread over his head ... in Soviet times there were berets and were worn like berets, and now they licked from NATO eagles and wore 2 sizes less and smudged them over the head, so that this stupidity is pulled and considered stupid in the army. And as regards the next change in the uniform, all the ministers celebrated this holiday of life, which is why Shoigu is worse and because they all praised their uniforms and did it the same, but I think the price of 35-40 thousand per set is not great .
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 5 October 2013 17: 05 New
      0
      - This manner of wearing our beret, dear pervert! The same French Alpine shooters wear this:
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 5 October 2013 17: 28 New
        +1
        - Большие любители беретов британцы... А солдатская мода на "тюбетейки" пройдёт...
    2. Altona
      Altona 5 October 2013 17: 29 New
      +2
      Of course it’s big ... There is nothing in that form ... Fleece, mixed fabric, membrane lining - all this can’t cost so much ... This is not a super-duper sports suit of a famous brand with adorable advertising costs ...
  42. rJIiOK
    rJIiOK 6 October 2013 20: 21 New
    0
    Guys, who knows - will a normal army leather belt remain?
  43. Hauptam
    Hauptam 7 October 2013 00: 12 New
    0
    The main concept is understandable, but whether our industry can master the production of materials of the 21st century. Where Nano technology, Everything that is offered is already outdated, amers had it like that back in the early 90s. Here footcloths in vain removed it for sure.
    1. Kir
      Kir 7 October 2013 18: 14 New
      0
      Могу успокоить если как следует засесть и поизучать, то их новое такое-же как и у нас. Что до нано и прочего так прежде чем они реально начнут поступать на "вооружение" столько времени ещё пройдёт, да и не известно ещё сколько нового окажется на свалке истории раньше чем обкатанное годами.Что-же до наших "братьев янки" так как я уже не раз здесь (ВО) писал, они если и берут чужое то стараются не распространяться об этом в отличие от наших скажем так нехило окосевших в сторону запада, кстати а чего вдруг (то-же уже писал) они в наших Орланах? И ещё о новом посмотрите на их тефлон, фторопласт, М-стекло и прочее , сколько уже лет они это ... эксплуатируют.
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  45. samoletil18
    samoletil18 11 October 2013 19: 28 New
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    I once served in the Soviet Army. And in 1989 we were not given a new summer uniform for anyone, we wore worn cotton. And at the present time ..., and even from 35000r ..., you see, after a couple of defense ministers again x \ and the cap is not the first term. By the way, then (1989) one weirdo got a tunic, the officers hardly reacted. But after 2 years, the country to which they swore was gone.
    Форма не просто одежда. Это еще и символ. А здесь, как оказалось, мелочей не бывает. Товарищ Верховный Главнокомандующий! Разберитесь с этими "новаторами".
  46. azov
    azov 12 October 2013 04: 57 New
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    Очень хочется посмотреть на исполнение команды "форма одежды №3"(при 23 предметах) и аутсорсинг(что за слово то ...) с химчисткой на полигоне.
  47. AX
    AX 19 October 2013 15: 42 New
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    Interestingly, the buttons - learned to sew ...
  48. twister
    twister 31 October 2013 13: 49 New
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    Слышал что китайцы уже изобрели военную амуницию "СТЕЛС", правда это или нет?
  49. kplayer
    kplayer 11 January 2014 00: 27 New
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    Дятлы какие-то, зачем из армейской кепи делать бейсболки (о длине козырька) - опять эксперименты? В РА нет стиля ношения беретов, "затылочный" для клоунов (лично нравится американский с выступающим под кокарду венцом подогнутым позади, иногда встречается у "краповиков"), как повседневные не нужны и только для специфических формирований (спецы, вдв, морпехи).
    The photos of the British in berets given here suck!
    Army caps (US) and panama (US / UK), everything has already been invented and no need to be smart!
  50. kplayer
    kplayer 11 January 2014 00: 55 New
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    Иногда кажется, что наши (новые) защитные шлемы при взгляде на них сверху не овальные, а абсолютно круглые (а может так оно и есть), иначе откуда огромные до нелепого ушные раковины и пространства под наушники, примечателен открытый лоб (уставные "два пальца от бровей" - неуместны!).