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Was Hitler escaped from Berlin?

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Hitler 30 April 1945 suicide is considered an indisputable fact. However, from time to time there are publications in which it is asserted that the greatest villain of all times and peoples safely escaped death and hid in one of the South American countries, where he died surrounded by his loving wife and children. Consider this version not from the “was-was-not” position, but from the perspective of “could it be like that?”


Operation "Serial"

According to the walking version of the Internet, the 1945 of the year was developed and operated under the code name “Serral” in May, the purpose of which was to organize the escape of Hitler and his wife from besieged Berlin. The fugitives were taken to Spain, where they were already waiting for a submarine (in some versions even three!), On which Hitler and Eva Braun safely reached Patagonia. After living in Argentina for several years, Hitler moved to Paraguay, where he died in the 1964 year.

The version does not seem extravagant. Blood-stained half of Europe, urging teenagers from the Hitler Youth and old folkssturm to die for the Fuhrer and the Reich, the bonzes themselves were not in a hurry to rush with grenades to the Russians Tanks. Changing their appearance, with documents in a strange name, “rat paths” they made their way to the lands where the hand of justice could not reach them. If one of them made the decision to leave the other world ahead of schedule, then only if the ghost of the rope loop took on quite real outlines (Goering, Himmler, Lei). Was it or wasn’t it?

Was Hitler escaped from Berlin?


Technical aspects

Under the terms of the Treaty of Versailles, Germany was forbidden to have a submarine fleet. Without violating the open conditions of surrender, Germany, however, managed to maintain the production base for the construction of submarines, to train personnel. Submarines for minor naval powers were built at the shipyards of the Weimar Republic, Reichsmarine officers constantly went to colleagues in neighboring countries, where they gained experience for future trips. Therefore, when in March 1935, Hitler openly refused to comply with the terms of the Treaty of Versailles and gave the go-ahead for the construction of an underwater fleetNeither the industrialists nor the German Navy took it by surprise.

Karl Doenitz was a fanatic of the submarine fleet and made every effort to develop and strengthen it, even to the detriment of surface forces. Having entered World War II with 57 submarines, through 2 of the year Germany launched dozens of submarines up to 2 every month. At 1938, Germany began building ocean-type submarines. In the 1938-1939, the Kriegsmarine began to receive submarines of the IX series with a displacement of 750 t. With a power reserve of 8100 nautical miles. Wolves Doenitz accustomed to the North and South Atlantic, acquired the skills of long hikes (U196 - 225 days, U181 - 206 days, U198 - 200 days), drowned ships (and themselves died) in the coastal waters of North and South America. So the transition Germany - Argentina was for the submariners Doenitz difficult, but already mastered the route.

Organizational aspects

Was Donitz himself ready to take part in Operation Serial? Without his knowledge and direct participation to prepare a boat for a long march, it was impossible to pick up an experienced crew. As commander of the German Navy (from 1943), he could, by pressing on the levers in the department under his authority, negate all efforts to prepare such a significant operation.

This question can be answered quite clearly. Not being a member of the NSDAP (yes, it is so!) Doenitz was a staunch Nazi, loyal to Hitler to the end. Having received from the Fuhrer a gold party badge, he always wore it on his jacket. By becoming 30 on April 1945, the Reich President, in his address to the people from 01.05.1945, he called Hitler a "heroic person", and the life path of the deceased Fuhrer was "a model of service to the German people." In Nuremberg, when asked by a lawyer whether he was a member of the party, instead of the defender “no” expected (for which the question was asked), he said that by accepting a gold party badge from the Fuhrer, he became an honorary member of the NSDAP. He did not repent of the crimes committed, did not plead guilty. So someone who, but Doenitz would have made every effort to save Hitler and would not buy the leader’s indulgence from the allies.

And the divers themselves? Did Doenitz have real power over his subordinates? Were they ready, risking their lives, to save the Fuhrer? Until the end of the war, submariners remained a model of loyalty to oath and discipline. The authority of Doenitz was indisputable among them. (And this is despite the fact that every 3 submarine died, the losses of submariners were 75-80%.) Berlin had already fallen, the Wehrmacht was capitulated, and the "wolves Doenitz" were still scouring the maritime communications, refusing to believe in the death of the thousand-year Reich . U-530 surrendered on July 10 1945 of the year, U-977 - on August 17.

And what about Argentina?

By the beginning of World War I, the German colony in Argentina numbered more than 100 thousand people. On such a base to create a wide branch network of agents was a trifle. After the defeat of Germany, the ties of the Argentine Germans with their ancestral homeland weakened, but did not break. The Nazis came to power, began to actively strengthen their position in the distant exotic region. Argentina very organically fit into their plans for world domination. There was a separate South American sector in the Schellenberg office, and there were even two in the Abwehr. The Argentine elite openly sympathized with the Nazis. In Buenos Aires, the German agents felt at home.

During World War II, Argentina, having officially declared itself neutral, constantly provided Germany with overt and covert support. Under pressure from the objective reality of 27.05.1945, Argentina declared war on Reich III, but it was just a political gesture. The sympathies of the Argentine elite to the Nazis did not disappear anywhere, the local agents survived, so after 45, many fugitives from the defeated Reich found food and shelter on the Argentinean land.
So, like, all the prerequisites for the implementation of the operation "Seral" on the face. But!



Submariner's hike - not for wimps

Going on a submarine from the German to the Argentine coast is slightly different from the sea voyage along the same route on an ocean liner. A submarine is a terrible crowding, tightness, lack of fresh air, normal food (solid canned food), basic household amenities, and even simple water is in short supply. Look at the German chronicle - the fashion for unshaven appeared among submariners not from the good life. There were not enough beds for everyone, they took turns sleeping on them, and even going to the latrine should not be put off until the last minute - it’s not a fact that at the right moment he will be free.

A submariner's hike is a constant mental burden, a willingness to attack or be attacked at any second. “Papa Karl” (the so-called submariners called Doenitz among themselves) perfectly knew all these nuances, therefore he issued an order according to which a submariner who had served 12 years was written off on a bank without fail. A long transition on a submarine demanded from the person a huge stock of mental and physical strength.

But Hitler had no such strength!



Hitler's physical condition to 1945 year

In 1940, Hitler underwent a comprehensive medical examination. Doctors recognized the health of the Fuhrer satisfactory (with a discount for minor ailments inherent in age). Hitler did not drink, did not smoke, was a vegetarian, did not use coffee and tea, preferring herbal teas. But the military setbacks seriously undermined his health.

The first blow was struck by a counteroffensive near Moscow in December 1941 of the year. Hitler began to complain of sweating, nausea and chills. Stalingrad violated the coordination of movements and brought the first nervous disorders. After Kursk, Hitler slouched over and began to walk more and more often, leaning on a stick. 20 July 1944 he survived, but received a concussion. After the offensive of the Red Army in Belarus, Hitler came down with a heart attack. The failure of the Ardennes and the breakthrough of the Eastern Front on the Vistula deprived him of the last vestiges of vital forces.

Hitler was constantly losing his balance and could no longer walk more than 25-30 meters. Making his way from the bunker to the meeting room, he constantly sat down on one of the benches that were placed along the corridor. The officer who saw Hitler after the 5-year break, wrote that the 56-year-old führer looked like an 70-year-old. To the decrepit Hitler, the transatlantic transition was simply beyond the strength of scuba diving. To the shores of Argentina, submariners loyal to the Fuhrer could only deliver his corpse!

Die in Berlin!

And how did Hitler himself relate to the idea of ​​escaping from Berlin? The question is more than relevant, because the operation "Serial" could take place only with his personal consent to its conduct. And Hitler himself was not going to run anywhere! In rare frank conversations, he often repeated that he was afraid not so much of death as of captivity. The fear of becoming an exhibit at the Moscow zoo was his phobia. To flee from Berlin is to place your destiny in the hands of unfamiliar and even strangers.

But who could Hitler trust? In July, 1944, the generals betrayed him (Stauffenberg plot), and as the Soviet troops approached Berlin, the faithful partigenosse began breaking loose one after the other. Congratulating 20 on April to the beloved Führer on his birthday, on the evening of the same day his faithful companions left him. Goering, Himmler, Ribbentrop hurried through the remaining corridor to leave the doomed city. 23 April, Hitler found out about Goering's treason. The traitor was removed from all posts, deprived of all titles and awards, and expelled from the party. 28 April Reuters reported that Himmler was trying to establish contact with the Anglo-Americans. "Faithful Heinrich" also betrayed the adored Fuhrer!

29 April, Hitler learned about the fate of Mussolini: while trying to escape, the Duce and his girlfriend Clara Petacci were captured by Italian partisans and shot. Their bodies were hung upside down on a square in Milan, the Italians spat on them and pounded with sticks. Then the corpses lay in a gutter for several days before they were buried.

30 April, the brave Hannah Reich, breaking through on her Storkha through the fire of Soviet anti-aircraft guns landed in front of the Brandenburg Gate. She begged the Fuhrer to trust her and fly from Berlin, but Hitler was adamant. The plane can be shot down, wounded or unconscious, it will be captured, Stalin will put him in an iron cage and will carry around the cities to the Russian barbarians show - no !!! Hitler did not want to run. Not trusting anyone in captivity of his phobias, until the last day he preferred to remain in Berlin, hoping now for the Wenk army, now for the Busse army, then just for the miracle.

Berlin - a trap without exit

Was there a real opportunity to leave flaming Berlin in late April - early May? Hardly ever. There was neither a system of underground tunnels, nor squadrons of small airplanes that landed at night at the doors of the Reich Chancellery, nor secret medical clinics that redraw the faces of the fugitives from the bunker. Let us leave aside the exotic version of the submarine, the water arteries penetrating into the very heart of the fighting Berlin.

"Gray Cardinal" Borman in his rescue relied not on "rat paths", but on forged documents and for a happy occasion. But the documents were weak, and fortune was a lady with an obstinate character. As a result, the omnipotent Reichsleiter chose to gnaw a vial of cyanide potassium - the last gift of a beloved leader. (Fans of secrets of the Third Reich, do not flatter yourself: Borman’s affiliation of the remains found was confirmed by DNA examination!) There was no reliable channel to leave Berlin.

Rare exceptions are not so much the result of deeply thought-out and prepared actions, as a rare smile of good luck, one in a million. Twice she played Russian roulette Hannah Reich, flew to Berlin and back, twice fortune was favorable to her, but she was the only one who was so incredibly lucky. The rest of the pilots who flew to Berlin did not return back, and most often did not reach the capital of the Reich. And Hannah herself was shot down and flew to the Führer on a word of honor and on one wing.
Arthur Axman left the bunker on the night of 1 on May 2 and managed to get out of town. But this is the rarest exception, which only confirms the rule. The neck of the Berlin bag was tightened very tightly.

Silent witnesses

It is interesting to estimate how many people should have been involved in Operation Seral?
1. Hitler evacuation group from Berlin
2. Group that hosted him in spain
3. The crew of the submarine
4. The personnel of the bases, officers of the Admiral Staff (the boat had to be prepared for the march: fill up, supply with food, maps, carry out maintenance etc.)
5. The group that hosted Hitler in Argentina and engaged in the arrangement in the country of himself and the crew of the submarine
6. Radio operators and coders in Berlin, Spain and South America
7. Representatives of the political elite of Argentina, with the knowledge of whom the high-ranking fugitive donkey in the country
The account passes far over a hundred, and this is not all!

Go to any bookstore, and you will see the shelves filled with memoirs on World War II. Not only field marshals, generals and heads of special services, but also figures of lower rank, even junior officers left their memories. Business on the secrets of Nazi Germany turned out to be so profitable that a huge number of imitations and stylization to the memoirs of participants of the events of those years appeared. Only here from the saviors of Hitler no one is in a hurry to share their memories. Absolutely strangers act as witnesses of Hitler's life after 1945: the maid saw something, the gardener heard something, the neighbors suspected something ... The immediate participants in Operation Séral keep deadly silence.



The escape that failed

Probably, the most complete answer to the question "Was operation" Seral? " история. Almost none of the leaders of the Third Reich could disappear without a trace. The fates of most of them are known: who committed suicide, who was pulled up on the gallows, whom the prison cell was waiting for. The fate of the "Gestapo" Muller is unknown. But why not assume the most probable: that the head of the IV division of the RSHA shared the fate of the thousands of Germans who died then in Berlin? Yes, no one saw him dead, the remains were not found, since Bormann’s bones were discovered by pure chance, and before 1972 he was “seen” several times in Italy, in Spain, in Egypt, and in Argentina.

With Hitler, everything is much simpler, there are witnesses, there are bones. Why not admit the obvious: the head of the Reich committed suicide (poisoned or shot himself - what's the difference?) April 30 1945 in the underground bunker of the Reich Chancellery.

And put an end to this.
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  1. Denis
    Denis 4 October 2013 08: 11 New
    +8
    died surrounded by a loving wife and children
    Already nonsense!
    Towards the end of the war, he was already such a ruin, only deri, what kind of children are there?
    Although for the yellow press, the piece is still tidbit
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 4 October 2013 08: 52 New
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      Quote: Denis
      died surrounded by a loving wife and children
      Already nonsense!
      Towards the end of the war, he was already such a ruin, only deri, what kind of children are there?


      What the hell are the CHILDREN? The demoniac corporal still shot the first world eggs. But still somehow it’s not good at heart from the fact that Comrade This Austrian miracle-judo in an iron cage did not lie on Stalin’s cage to show people to edify the current fascists.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 4 October 2013 10: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: Hudo
        What the hell are the CHILDREN? The demoniac corporal still shot the first world eggs.

        They didn’t shoot or cut off Lenin.
        Who knows if he had children?
        The direct participants in the operation "Seral" keep deathly silence.
        1. Everyone wants to live.
        2.WELL they want to live even more.
        The first blow was struck by a counteroffensive near Moscow in December 1941 of the year. Hitler began to complain of sweating, nausea and chills. Stalingrad violated the coordination of movements and brought the first nervous disorders. After Kursk, Hitler slouched over and began to walk more and more often, leaning on a stick. 20 July 1944 he survived, but received a concussion. After the offensive of the Red Army in Belarus, Hitler came down with a heart attack. The failure of the Ardennes and the breakthrough of the Eastern Front on the Vistula deprived him of the last vestiges of vital forces.
        It is precisely because of these "magical oddities" about the deepest experience of hypertension of all failures that all sorts of theories and assumptions are rooted in.
        And why did he suffer so much from defeats and did not rise from victories, can anyone explain this?
        In the autumn-winter of 1944 it became extremely clear that the 3rd Reich was CAPUT.
        And you don’t need to be a pioneer of October to think that waste paths have not been prepared.
        And if :
        On September 29, 1938, Hitler was allegedly poisoned. Since then, one of his “doubles”, one Maximilian Bauer, has taken his place.
        July 20, 1944 in Rastenburg, Colonel Stauffenberg made an unsuccessful attempt on Adolf Hitler. There is a version that during the explosion Hitler was still killed, in the future his role was played by a double.

        In this situation, there was no point in transporting AG to distant countries or negotiating a separate peace.
        After all, the most important thing!
        Hitler is a project of the victorious country, namely the USA.
        1. Fedor
          Fedor 4 October 2013 17: 31 New
          +3
          Everyone knows about Lenin’s children from Krupskaya. Although this is not popularized, in Soviet times it was generally a closed issue. Only in half-closed conversations did they explain this by saying that he had no time for all revolutionary matters. The true reason is simple and clear. Krupskaya had Bazedov’s disease, and there are no children with it.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 4 October 2013 17: 59 New
            +1
            But what about Fanny Kaplan? What did she have? ... And Inessa Armand? Was she sick too?
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    2. Serg 122
      Serg 122 4 October 2013 10: 44 New
      +1
      My wife was full of Germans around ... And who is dad - sort it out later laughing
    3. predator.3
      predator.3 6 October 2013 13: 31 New
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      I believe in everything: in submarines, and in the life of the foothills of the Alps, but YOU (Author Klim Podkova) show me the route how he got out of besieged Berlin, where street fights were in full swing.
  2. sillsas
    sillsas 4 October 2013 08: 30 New
    +1
    Very intelligible! But the intrigue remains!
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 4 October 2013 08: 58 New
      +6
      Quote: sillsas
      Very intelligible! But the intrigue remains!


      ??? And who is there intriguing? Dead Hitler with dead Goebbels?
  3. svskor80
    svskor80 4 October 2013 08: 31 New
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    I never doubted that Hitler was dead in Berlin, and everything else was "stretching the snot" by lovers of theories of all kinds of conspiracies.
  4. Stasi
    Stasi 4 October 2013 08: 49 New
    +7
    The point is not whether Hitler was able to escape or not. The bottom line is that Nazism despite the defeat and all the defeats is alive! After the defeat near Moscow, many in the Reich realized that the war was lost and the search for channels for negotiations with the West began, as well as the creation of bases in South America, where there was an extensive German colony before the war. Too many military and other fascist criminals managed to escape to the West and, using his protection, evade punishment. Nowadays, they actively influence Western policy and direct it in the direction necessary for themselves. It is very symptomatic that recently in German newspapers more and more revengeful articles have begun to appear. In fact, the United States became the so-called Fourth Reich; the Nazis managed to re-create their Reich.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 4 October 2013 08: 56 New
      +6
      Quote: Stasi
      In fact, the United States became the so-called Fourth Reich; the Nazis managed to re-create their Reich.


      You're right! The thing is small, a little practice there rabble screaming Heil, throw a ridge and rave in the streets. Everything else is already in stock.
    2. Denis
      Denis 4 October 2013 10: 01 New
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      Quote: Stasi
      Too many military and other fascist criminals managed to escape to the West and, using its protection, evade punishment
      It was someone who was of value, who knew something or a designer-scientist. And this would have been surrendered as unnecessary, such as a goodwill gesture
  5. erased
    erased 4 October 2013 09: 09 New
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    Dogs canine death! It is a pity that Hitler could not be taken, but he died anyway. He and all of Germany are responsible for the death of my grandfather at the front. For the death of my distant relatives, for the millions of dead, tortured, burned, melted from hunger and cold! I still can’t forgive the Germans for the war, and apparently I will never forgive, although so many years have passed and the current “Swabians” are not related to the disaster. Here I am intolerant.
    1. dropout
      dropout 4 October 2013 19: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: erased
      I still can’t forgive the Germans for war, and apparently I will never forgive


      And he still did not forgive the knight dogs.
    2. VARCHUN
      VARCHUN 23 October 2013 12: 53 New
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      I set + because I completely agree that he and people like him should die, but why doesn’t anyone talk about such a secret base as “211”, it was also vet, and it is closer than Argentina even though in Argentina they do not hide their love for the Nazis . The Germans had long been imposed the production of underwater freight transport and believe them they ate a dog. And in full leadership and geniuses could go to this base.
  6. 12061973
    12061973 4 October 2013 09: 18 New
    +3
    Where is Borman doing money?

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    1. Hudo
      Hudo 4 October 2013 09: 26 New
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      Quote: 12061973
      Where is Borman doing money?


      Apparently spent on the campaign for Obama.
      1. Srgsoap
        Srgsoap 4 October 2013 10: 48 New
        +3
        Hello, they’ve made fun, so made fun .... You +++++++++++++++++ and thanks for raising the mood good
      2. gsg955
        gsg955 4 October 2013 11: 49 New
        +2
        Part of the money went to Yavlinsky, Nemtsov, etc.
    2. I am
      I am 5 October 2013 00: 54 New
      +1
      Where did the “party gold” go after the collapse of the USSR ...... alas, the place is bottomless
    3. VARCHUN
      VARCHUN 23 October 2013 12: 54 New
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      In Switzerland, ask them that Hitler did not touch, not because of interference, but because of the global ATM.
  7. svp67
    svp67 4 October 2013 10: 56 New
    +6
    Was there a real opportunity to leave flaming Berlin in late April - early May? Hardly ever
    - It existed. There was a breakthrough of the SS-tsev from Berlin, their column was finished off outside the city. But this breakthrough is more associated with the disappearance of Martin Bormann ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 4 October 2013 11: 09 New
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      Quote: svp67
      - It existed. There was a breakthrough of the SS-tsev from Berlin, their column was finished off outside the city

      Well, "daddy Muller" also managed to hit the road. So the opportunity was. Just the elderly Nazis and their descendants want to believe that the Fuhrer did not die so shamefully. Hence the stories about the bunker in the Arctic, and the flight to Australia, and to Argentina. Well, if they managed to escape, why couldn't Hitler? Something like that they reason. But resurgent fascists need a symbol! And an indicator of good luck and loyalty to the idea! So far, no one is pulling at the role of the "great Fuhrer". So the legends are created. IMHO
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 4 October 2013 11: 20 New
        +4
        Dear Elena, I do not think Hitler in 1945 was a completely broken sick man who lost touch with reality. And he was no longer needed by his associates, since he had compromised them, there was too much blood on him and he knew too much. See for yourself, only Goebbels remained with him to the end. Goering escaped, and resolved the issue. in which uniform did he meet Eisenhower, Himmler tried to conduct separate negotiations with the Anglo-Americans through Schellenberg and Wolf. And he was too noticeable a figure to hide. If information about his salvation surfaced, then not only the KGB but also Mossad would hunt him, and they got Eichmann in Argentina in 1960, not counting other minor mongrels. Similar rumors circulated about Bormann. Schellenberg, in his memoirs, directly writes that he worked for us, and in Moscow they even found the grave of Borman Martin Rudolfovich. The International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg tried Bormann in absentia and sentenced him to death. Nevertheless, At the end of 1972, in Berlin, during the laying of the road, workers discovered the remains, subsequently previously identified as the remains of Martin Bormann, but one hundred percent identification was then impossible. On April 11, 1973, the West German prosecutor’s office officially confirmed that Bormann had died in May 1945. Then the West German court officially declared Bormann dead, but doubts remained. Repeatedly there were reports of Bormann in Latin America, the "Nazi hunters" continued to consider the possibility of his capture. Only in 1998 did the examination finally make sure that the remains found in Berlin really belong to Bormann. His son, Martin Bormann, Jr., agreed to provide his blood for DNA analysis of the remains.
        The analysis confirmed that the remains really belong to Martin Bormann, who really tried to leave the bunker and get out of Berlin on May 2, 1945, but realizing that this was impossible, committed suicide by taking poison (traces of an ampule were found in the teeth of the skeleton, suggesting that the ampoule with potassium cyanide was cracked by the deceased). On August 16, 1999, the remains of Bormann were cremated, and the ashes were scattered from a warship over the neutral waters of the Baltic Sea.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 4 October 2013 19: 31 New
          +3
          Quote: smiths xnumx
          Yes, and he was no longer needed by his associates, since he had compromised them,

          I do not claim that Hitler escaped. I say that theoretically there was such an opportunity. They didn’t need him alive, but as a myth ... "Pastor Schlag or his bright image ..."
      2. svp67
        svp67 4 October 2013 20: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Well,

        hi
  8. user
    user 4 October 2013 11: 12 New
    +2
    I would very much like to believe that it was still Hitler, and not a decoy. Remember in the 70s, a burned-out personality was established on the map of prosthetics, it was printed in my opinion almost in Truth (then a lot of questions on this issue suddenly arose). And who is sure that the DNA examination result corresponds again to the material taken from the troupe, which was found at the Reis Chancellery.
    I write all this because many questions about the last days of the Reich remain unclear.
    Just don’t talk about intelligence data. Even when, before the eyes of our advancing troops, during the storming of Berlin, the Wehrmacht headquarters gathered and evacuated, ours did not even know that it was there, so there were no attempts to prevent this.
  9. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 4 October 2013 11: 52 New
    +2
    Hitler was adamant. A plane can be shot down, wounded or unconscious, it will be captured, Stalin will put him in an iron cage and will carry it around the cities to be shown to Russian barbarians - no !!!


    Where did such a persistent phobia come from Adolf? Did Stalin threaten to do this?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 4 October 2013 19: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: ivanovbg
      Where did such a persistent phobia come from Adolf? Did Stalin threaten to do this?

      Yes, it was Hitler who dreamed of showing Stalin in a cage, hence the phobia! everyone judges by himself.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 4 October 2013 20: 00 New
        0
        Hitler wanted to give him a villa in the Alps, to give him everything for a comfortable life, BUT so that Stalin would live all the time allotted to him alone under supervision. Read Pickler's "Hitler's Table Talks"
  10. smart ass
    smart ass 4 October 2013 12: 25 New
    +5
    Hitler was not about to run, he could be treated differently, but he was devoted to his work to the end. To the same, they recently caught the Duce and hung him dead upside down. Therefore, the choice of death with subsequent burning is very logical.
  11. Delta
    Delta 4 October 2013 12: 57 New
    +2
    "Under pressure from objective reality 27.05.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX Argentina declared the Third Reich war"

    little mistake. Not in May, but in March
    1. Klim podkova
      4 October 2013 21: 05 New
      +1
      Of course, in March, it is ochepyatka.
  12. spravochnik
    spravochnik 4 October 2013 15: 56 New
    +3
    In the photo the boat is not at all the XXI series. This is a combined cycle submarine of the XVII-B series.
    1. Klim podkova
      4 October 2013 21: 08 New
      +1
      I am not a technical expert, but the submarine under the number U-3008 was the XXI series.
  13. galiullinrasim
    galiullinrasim 4 October 2013 16: 33 New
    +3
    we can’t put an end to the Fuhrer put our fathers and grandfathers in 1945 glorious year
  14. Ulysses
    Ulysses 4 October 2013 21: 31 New
    +2
    Guys, don’t worry.
    Another ten years will pass, and in all seriousness they will claim that the "possessed" left Berlin in a balloon.
    There would be a demand for "sensation", and there are always those who want to earn some money.
  15. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 4 October 2013 21: 49 New
    +3
    Possible question (maybe stupid):

    Who benefits from rumors about the salvation of Nazi leaders?
    1. svp67
      svp67 4 October 2013 21: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      Who benefits from rumors about the salvation of Nazi leaders?
      He is far from stupid ... The answer is Neo-Nazi ...
  16. RoTTor
    RoTTor 4 October 2013 23: 46 New
    +1
    1. Comrade STALIN, in all seriousness, intended to keep Hitler at the Moscow Zoo in an aviary behind bulletproof glass.
    If Hitler or his closest henchmen still escaped, ours or the Israelis would certainly have found him anywhere in the world would have caught and tried him. Here - no options.
    He was probably more afraid of this than death.


    2. The famous pilot Khan Raych sat on her light Fisheler-Storch in front of the Reich Chancellery in order to take Hitler out, categorically refused, deciding to die with her Reich. This decision causes, if not respect, then at least understanding.
    Neither he, nor Comrade STALIN, nor Allende, and few others would have left the country after the defeat.

    3.Rust demonstrated the ability to land a light-engine aircraft on Red Square. In Kharkov, the former capital of Soviet Ukraine, the House of Soviets was designed and built so that light aircraft could land on the square in front of it. As in Kiev, in front of the building where the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine worked before the war, as well as in the Hitler Reich Chancellery, everywhere it was possible to evacuate top officials by air before the mass appearance of helicopters.


    4. Of those who actually escaped from Berlin, this is the Gruppenführer Müller. There was a lot of reliable information about this and his life in the USA. It is worth noting that Müller was a combat fighter pilot in World War I, successfully fought, had orders, and was wounded. He began a police career not from a good life.


    5. In recent Ukrainian history, there is an example of the mysterious, almost detective disappearance of one of the prominent statesmen, whose fortune is estimated at 4 billion cu
  17. Stalinets
    Stalinets 5 October 2013 01: 53 New
    +1
    So now they began to talk about the fact that there was no execution of the royal family. If so, where did it go? Stalin also doubted Hitler's death.
  18. mithridate
    mithridate 5 October 2013 09: 46 New
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    on the subject of "secrets of the Third Reich" there is more speculation than facts. And neo-fascists contribute to this
    1. VARCHUN
      VARCHUN 23 October 2013 13: 15 New
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      and the States, where are they without their nonsense.
  19. vkrav
    vkrav 6 October 2013 16: 11 New
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    Speculation - speculation, but the fact that in Argentina, Paraguay and Chile there are still many German colonies with extraterritorial rights is a fact ... And everything is too muddy and ambiguous ... Where did fifty of the German submarines supposedly missing missing in April-May 1945? Where are the experts who have been exported since 1944? What if the expedition of Admiral Byrd caught up in Antarctica in 1946 and didn’t go for a walk? And who poked it? How many doubles did Hitler have? There are questions, but answers not expected ...
    1. mark7
      mark7 6 October 2013 23: 32 New
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      Quote: vkrav
      Antarctica was trampled upon by the expedition of adm. Byrd in 1946, and it was not taken for a walk

      Yes, about this the author somehow missed, although a lot of different interesting information
  20. Pehmore
    Pehmore 7 October 2013 21: 25 New
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    The obvious is the discord
  21. kelevra
    kelevra 14 December 2013 13: 22 New
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    Hitler somewhere in Argentina has a daughter, Anna! Like Himmler, Ribbentrop, Bormann.
  22. baitly
    baitly 12 June 2014 10: 08 New
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    By the way, there are memoirs of those submariners who sailed to Argentina. They could not even theoretically meet Hitler, much less transport.