Russia: Hello, arms ("The Financial Times", UK)

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Held annually in the Ural city of Nizhny Tagil, the Russian arms exhibition reminds Mardi Gras for gunsmiths: a lot of bright costumes, noise and crowds of tourists.

Against the backdrop of constantly demonstrating targets tanks severe military attaches mixed in the crowd with dads in camouflage, pulling the hand of their children. They all came here in order to look at the latest military equipment. Russian sellers from distant provincial defense plants demonstrate their latest guidance systems and cumulative ammunition in the pavilions, stretching to the front of smart delegations from the Arabian Gulf countries in the hope of interest in them with their goods.

Middle Eastern themes are clearly present at this annual arms bazaar. Introduced on Tuesday a new combat vehicle BMPT-72 "Terminator" is painted in the colors of the desert, and the graphic display in the background shows how this machine moves smoothly across the battlefield, bordered by palm trees and sand dunes. Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, who visited the exhibition, asked the crew commander of the demonstration model: “Where are you going to Kuwait?”

Russian gunsmiths are so fixated on customers from the Middle East that even their latest cruise missile was called the Iskander. This is Alexander, but in Arabic.

However, now Russian dealers of military equipment are paying priority attention to another buyer: the Russian state. Last year, military spending in Russia grew by 25%, and this year Moscow will probably overtake Britain and Japan in defense expenditures, as evidenced by IHS analysis data. Thus, Russia will be ranked third in the world in arms purchases, spending 2013 a billion dollars in 68,8, and these indicators are only behind China (131,7 billion dollars) and the US, who spend more on defense than the 10 countries following them, put together (637,8 billion dollars).

Demonstrating his determination to restore the status of Russia as a real and convincing diplomatic and military force, President Vladimir Putin declared a ten-year arms procurement program last year that would cost the country 755 billions of dollars.

While the Western powers are focusing on Russian supplies weapons in Syria, Moscow is building up its military power, raising concerns about how it intends to use it as a lever of pressure.

Plans to increase defense spending are aimed not only at reviving the Russian armed forces, but also at rescuing the country's prestige after two lost decades, when its army experienced one humiliation after another. In 1996, she lost the first Chechen war to the motley rabble of militants, and in 2000, the Russian submarine Kursk sank. Since there was no money in the army, soldiers sometimes paid for pickled cucumbers. The rearmament carried out after the 20 years of stagnation of the military budget is part of a new plan to put the army on a professional basis - both in America and in Britain. Thus, there is a departure from the draft as the basis for the recruitment of the armed forces, which was intended to conduct mass battles with Napoleon and Hitler.

Unlike the Terminator, intended for export, the new main battle tank Armata, shown last Thursday in Nizhny Tagil, is intended exclusively for Russia. The car was surrounded by such a dense veil of secrecy that only Medvedev could see it.

"Armata" belongs to a new generation of Russian military equipment, which is designed not only for export deliveries, but also to maintain the international reputation of Moscow. Other representatives of this new generation are the Su-35 Sukhoi fighter and its later version, the T-50 aircraft. According to some experts, the C-350 anti-aircraft missile system surpasses the American “Patriot” in its characteristics. And the attack helicopter Mi-28 is designed to compete with the American Apache machine.

Conservatives argue that investing in the Russian arms industry makes economic sense. “The military-industrial complex was the locomotive of our technical progress,” says Vladimir Yakunin, who heads the Russian state-owned railway company and is a conservative from Putin’s entourage.

In striving for modernization, Russia will literally change everything. In July, it was announced that separate shower cabins should appear in the army barracks, and in the units there will be dining rooms with a buffet (and even with a salad bar), which will replace the standard soldier's diet: barley, oatmeal and lard. In August, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu even announced that the national anthem performed by a brass band had to be replaced by a pop version, and played in barracks to “create a patriotic mood”.

The traditionalists were horrified by yet another reform: soldiers began to wear socks instead of sisters, which the Russian army wore with boots from about the 16th century.

Implementation of such reforms will cost less than the planned rearmament, government officials say. According to them, although the invasion of Georgia in the 2008 year ended in victory, it showed how dangerous it is to rely on outdated military equipment.

“This is the payment of army debts and the fleetbecause for 20 years no one has financed anything, ”says Dmitry Rogozin, deputy prime minister for the defense industry. “The war in the South Caucasus has revealed all our weaknesses.”

However, the influx of state money into the defense sector of industry has shown that this industry is poorly prepared and equipped. The order for 37 Su-35 machines has already been postponed for two years due to delays in the design.

On July 2, a powerful explosion of the Proton rocket occurred right on the launch pad, which destroyed three GLONASS satellites created by the military for a global navigation and positioning system. In this regard, doubts have reappeared in Russia's ability to replicate the impressive achievements of Soviet-era engineers.

Rogozin said in a radio interview in July that many failures are not critical. “We can blow our nose into a scarf and say that we are losers, unable to do anything, that the generation of our fathers was great, and we are nobody. But this is the wrong position. You can't just wrap yourself in a shroud and go to the cemetery. ”

Reforming the army means deciding what to do with the classified Russian military-industrial complex, which includes state-owned weapons manufacturing enterprises. This complex for decades in the Soviet Union and even after its collapse was in fact a state within a state. Working in secret and high-tech enterprises, the leading defense industry companies have long seemed to be fiefdoms, accustomed to dictate their conditions to the government.

The Kremlin really wants to reform this sector before opening the state funding gates and giving money to arms manufacturers, which for two decades have existed mainly due to exports.

The growth in the number of orders predictably caused a skirmish between military and Russian defense enterprises. In 2011, the Nizhny Tagil tank manufacturer Uralvagonzavod attempted to raise the price of its T-70 tank, the workhorse of the Russian army, from 118 to 90 million rubles. The commander of the ground forces, General Alexander Postnikov, committed an unprecedented act by publicly criticizing T-90 and calling it "the seventeenth modification of the Soviet T-72", whose production began in 1973 year. He added that for 118 million rubles "it is better to buy three German Leopards".

In 2011, the Ministry of Defense struck the first large order of military equipment abroad, concluding, among other things, a contract to buy in France for 1,7 a billion dollars of two Mistral-class amphibious assault ships. This deal was promoted in every way by former Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov in order to punish Russian industry and make it more competitive.

But in the end, the defense industry triumphed in the price war. Serdyukov was dismissed in 2012 in connection with a corruption scandal. A veteran of military operations in Transnistria, Abkhazia and Chechnya, General Vyacheslav Khalitov is now working as deputy general director of Uralvagonzavod and is responsible for the production of tanks. He admits that for now the defense industry is gaining the upper hand.

“Now everyone has calmed down,” he says. - The Ministry of Defense now speaks more about the technical side, and not about prices. They are more concerned that the requirements of the technical tasks are fulfilled. ”

But with the end of the price war, the Kremlin did not abandon its reform program. Dealing with the defense industry is still very difficult. 1350 military enterprises represent the only modern and high-tech manufacturing sector in Russia. This is the main functional element of the economy, the need for the development of which the Kremlin recognizes today. True, some observers believe that up to a quarter of these enterprises are bankrupt today from a technical point of view.

The previous attempts to implement reforms have come to nothing. In 2007, the defense industry was reformed, under which its enterprises were transferred to state-owned holding companies, such as Russian Technologies. But even there they barely kept afloat. Some plants were partially privatized.

“Each of these holding companies is a parody of the Soviet defense industry with all their inefficiency, bureaucracy and corruption,” said Alexander Golts, a military expert and deputy editor-in-chief of the online magazine Daily Journal. “They take money away from those who are more or less productive and redistribute it among those who go bankrupt.”

It seems that now more and more enterprises are moving in the direction of privatization. Last week, the state sold a 49% stake in the Kalashnikov concern, which manufactures the eponymous assault rifle. But while privatization is an investment, it is more difficult to command private shareholders than government departments. This became clear in January, when the shareholders of the private company Cordiant, the only one producing in Russia aviation tires, decided to stop unprofitable production.

“So, do we put all our planes on skis?” Joked Rogozin, who said that a special commission of the military department had “re-negotiated” with the shareholders of Kordiant, after which his enterprises immediately resumed work. “Now everything is fine,” he said in an interview with Ekho Moskvy radio station.

For some, the actual question is not how to rearm Russia, but about why it is needed. Putin in his public speeches criticizing the West often refers to incomprehensible external threats and calls on Russia to defend its sovereignty. But as Golts says, “The Soviet Union took the idea of ​​a US military attack very seriously, but today in the Kremlin no one believes in it.” After another, reminiscent of Putin's paranoid speech from 20 September, a humorous remark appeared on Twitter: “Schizophrenics have imaginary friends. But only Russia has imaginary enemies. ”

Many believe that the army level of the superpower of Russia can not afford, especially in conditions where no serious threats to its security have been identified. As a percentage of GDP, Russia's defense spending should grow from 3,2% in 2013 to 3,8% in 2016. This is much more than other emerging market countries, such as India (2,6%), Turkey (2,3%) and China (1,9%). This is evidenced by research data of the Moscow investment bank "Renaissance Capital". Opponents from the government and other areas say that the proposed increase in defense spending, which Putin said last year during his election campaign, will be too expensive, and that it will have to be taken from other areas where they are urgently needed. For example, this infrastructure and education. According to Renaissance Capital, the share of health care spending should decline from almost 4% in 2013 to 2,2% in 2016. In the same way, allocations for education will be reduced from 5,1% in 2013 to 3,9% in 2016.

Former Russian Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin, who resigned in 2011 year because of a conflict over military spending, says: “While all countries are starting to cut military spending, Russia does the opposite. However, we have neither the capacity nor the means for such an increase. ”

The director of the Moscow Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, Ruslan Pukhov, answers this in the following way: “The main enemy of the army is the Ministry of Finance”.

Kremlin: Putin plays card of paranoia

Before becoming president for the third time, Vladimir Putin in his public speeches was often distinguished by fantastic and ridiculous statements. He accused his political opponents of betrayal committed for foreign money, and argued that the US State Department, and in particular the former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, was giving "signals" to protesters against the Kremlin. He often hinted at the mysterious overseas forces seeking the collapse of Russia.

If you listen to Putin, you get the impression that there are only enemies around him. And here he comes to the aid of a strategy of rearmament. There is no paranoia here, if the enemies really want to destroy you, and 23 trillion rubles is quite an acceptable price if it provides Russia with security.

Opponents of compromise from the government echo Putin's paranoid statements. Deputy Prime Minister for Defense Dmitry Rogozin at the 27 conference in June made a startling statement that "the United States can destroy up to 90 percent of our nuclear potential in a few hours." He further stated that the Russian nuclear deterrent might be defeated in the first six hours of the conflict.

However, Rogozin did not specify why the United States needs it.

Ruslan Pukhov from the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies says: “When we are engaged in this military buildup, it is important not to confuse a real enemy with an enemy who has been sitting in our heads since the times of the Cold War.” One military analyst noted: “Putin and his subordinates happily talk about the threat of a rapid global strike and the ability of Americans to destroy Russian nuclear targets. But in reality, they do not seriously believe in it. ”

It seems that this is just an attempt to whip up fear, nothing more. As Western diplomats say, Russian officials privately assure them that such paranoia is only a political staged trick that should not be taken seriously.

Putin had to win the election in 2012, and therefore he played the card "of Russia as a besieged fortress," said sociologist Lev Gudkov, who heads the Levada Center.

But the problem is that after the elections a year and a half has passed, and Putin is still playing this card.
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  1. +45
    4 October 2013 15: 27
    Only Medvedev could see Armata.
    So he just didn’t have to show him. Would have fired, or something, so as not to fit. stop angry
    1. +3
      4 October 2013 15: 32
      I also drew attention to this. I hope they showed it from afar.
      1. +50
        4 October 2013 15: 35
        If you listen to Putin, you get the impression that there are only enemies around him.
        This is pearl fool Is it they that they consider themselves friends?
        1. kaktus
          +9
          4 October 2013 16: 51
          but what about! and guide agree laughing
          1. +3
            4 October 2013 22: 39
            Quote: kaktus
            but what about! and guide agree laughing

            It's okay to "guide" them. Use our natural resources on the ball until they are depleted. This is yeah! bully
        2. +44
          4 October 2013 17: 28
          A landmark article.
          How Big the Awl We have kicked the Anglo-Saxons in the ass to receive such a devastating article in The Financial Times.
          This is a pancake like the Order of Merit to the Fatherland.
          Russia keep it up.
          1. mnn_13
            +8
            4 October 2013 18: 57
            I fully agree - a landmark article. Shadyovr Anglo-Saxon art of propaganda manipulation. We must admit that he stole me and in other times and places I would have believed that Russia is an evil empire and Putin is a paranoid dictator. In this masterpiece, the truth is not important. The important thing is that this article is aimed at "internal" users (these are not only British and Americans but also all satellite and subordinate states).
            I remembered one of Putin's interviews in connection with the Ossetian conflict and the Georgian invasion where he said something like this: "As far as propaganda is concerned, Estonian teaches a lot from our Western partners ..."
            1. +6
              5 October 2013 00: 12
              The author would have to tear off his head, for such words as having lost the first Chechen one, you can lose the war in two cases, this is when you surrender or when your troops are completely destroyed, with his approach we and Afghanistan lost.
              1. 0
                5 October 2013 17: 52
                Quote: Saburov
                The author would tear off his head, for such words


                What can you take from the victim of the American media - he is sincerely convinced that the USA is a stronghold of GOOD :)
              2. v.lyamkin
                0
                7 October 2013 08: 07
                Partly, we will have to agree with the author, since failure can be considered as failure to fulfill the set tasks: both in the first Chechen and in Afghanistan.
            2. 0
              5 October 2013 17: 50
              They will answer us for the Kursk.
          2. 0
            4 October 2013 22: 17
            Yes, if - for the last "verse" - it was a great article. And so everything is smark.
          3. AndreyAB
            +2
            5 October 2013 06: 26
            And if they praise Serdyukov, then he is a decent bastard in fact.
          4. v.lyamkin
            0
            7 October 2013 08: 05
            You are absolutely right: this is the case when the worse, the better.
        3. +13
          4 October 2013 17: 42
          By the way, one of my German acquaintances in a personal conversation, when it came to the friends of Russia, was very surprised that I did not mention Germany. He just said so - "After all, we are friends!" laughing
          1. Nitup
            +7
            4 October 2013 18: 37
            Quote: Viacheslav
            By the way, one of my German acquaintances in a personal conversation, when it came to the friends of Russia, was very surprised that I did not mention Germany. He just said so - "After all, we are friends!" laughing

            Such friends for .. and to the museum laughing
            1. 0
              4 October 2013 18: 53
              Good for you!
              There is nothing to add.
            2. jasper
              +3
              4 October 2013 19: 42
              you're wrong, im liberal is already above the roof
          2. mnn_13
            +4
            4 October 2013 19: 04
            Well, the German is completely right. Why will Syria have, for example, "Friends of Syria" and Russia will not have "Friends of Russia". Another thing is that with friends it is often much more difficult than with enemies ...
          3. wow
            +8
            4 October 2013 19: 12
            In my opinion, it is better to have such predictable "friends" as the Germans than such things as "Ukrainians" !!!
          4. +2
            4 October 2013 19: 19
            Quote: Viacheslav
            He just said so - "After all, we are friends!" laughing

            When such friends, fuck enemies?
          5. soldier's grandson
            0
            4 October 2013 22: 22
            we do not need Eghean friends, how many more lyuli need to be weighed so that everyone becomes our friends request
        4. +6
          4 October 2013 17: 44
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Is it they that they consider themselves friends?


          And quite well, a couple of such friends and enemies are not needed.
        5. v.lyamkin
          0
          7 October 2013 08: 04
          Great Britain has always been the best friend of Russia (Quoting with confirmation: "Oh, and it's hard to live in the world when no one is at war with Russia" - Lord Palmerston)
      2. +25
        4 October 2013 15: 37
        Other representatives of this new generation are the Sukhoi Su-35 fighter and its later version, the T-50.

        wassat under the table)))))))))))))))
        With the same success T-34


        And its further modernization of the T-90cm
        1. +15
          4 October 2013 17: 27
          It seems that this is just an attempt to whip up fear, nothing more. As Western diplomats say, Russian officials privately assure them that such paranoia is only a political staged trick that should not be taken seriously.

          There is a great desire to convince us that the west with the USA is white and fluffy. Only during the thirty-five post-war years, the United States resorted 215 times to a “military fist” demonstration, and in 19 cases they threatened with nuclear weapons. Analyzing the structure and composition of NATO, its combined armed forces, it can be argued that the imperialists of the West, led by the United States, created a powerful aggressively robber machine that entangled not only the countries of Europe and North America, but the whole globe with one and a half thousand military bases and facilities located in almost 40 countries of the world ”, with more than 250 thousand military personnel, mainly where there are deposits of strategic raw materials and on the ways of their transportation to the USA and Europe.

          NATO is far from being a peacemaking union, but an armed detachment of the US military. Here are just some of his actions of "appeasement" and close and very, very distant neighbors: 1948-53. - US military operations in the Philippines; 1950-53 - war in Korea; 1964-73, punitive operation in Laos; 1964 - Panama; 1961-75 - Vietnam; 1970 - Cambodia; 1982-83 - Lebanon; 1983 - Grenada; 1986 - bombing of the Libyan cities of Tripoli and Benghazi; 1989 - again Panama; 1991, and since 2003 to present - the occupation of Iraq; 1992-93 - Somalia; 1993-95 - Haiti; 1999 - the destruction of Yugoslavia; since 2001 - Afghanistan. From March 19 to October 31, 2011 NATO was destroyed blooming Libya and provoked a civil war. At present, with the active intervention of NATO countries, Syria is blazing.
          In the entire history of Russia, these zhivoglots have done nothing good for us, and "no need to shaggy grandmother. Keep the powder dry and don't clean the gun with a brick."
        2. +2
          4 October 2013 17: 52
          Quote: klimpopov
          With the same success

          Russian gunsmiths are so obsessed with buyers from the Middle East that even their the latest cruise missile called Iskander. This is Alexander, but in Arabic.

          Well, what can I say, only thanks, finally we have opened our eyes to Iskander

          Now at least we know thanks to "The Financial Times" how CDs look
        3. Mark III
          +1
          4 October 2013 21: 37
          Very good remark! And what photos !!!!
        4. freedom2013
          +3
          4 October 2013 22: 12
          Transferred, I also drew attention to this phrase. This specialist believes that the 4 ++ and 5 generation aircraft are practically the same. "Masterpiece"
        5. v.lyamkin
          0
          7 October 2013 08: 11
          Well, what, do not look like something? Look: even the headlights of the T-90 are and are located in almost the same places as on the T-34. So one face.
      3. +3
        4 October 2013 22: 49
        How all the same these Anglo-Saxon "activists" hate Putin! He's just like a bone in their throat! And they immediately pour out a tub of attacks and idiotic accusations: paranoia, a dictator, and other nonsense of foreign propaganda. We already saw in the 90s what belief in your sweet fairy tales about democracy and freedom leads to! There is only one point, to split the country and pump out everything that is possible from it, so that TRUE democracy can live well. And as it later became known, there can be only one "real democracy" - this is theirs. belay Thanks "friends", the second time will not work for you! am
        1. v.lyamkin
          +1
          7 October 2013 08: 17
          I read the koment, and the thought came: when you look around (in the sense of inside the country) you find many complaints to the president. Well, as if his rating in my perception falls. But when you read such articles, the attitude towards Putin really changes, and for the better. After all, if he is not so loved there, then it means that it is useful for Russia.
      4. 0
        5 October 2013 14: 46
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        I also drew attention to this. I hope, at least from a distance showed
        - but don't worry, this shot was too much occupied with self-admiration and hardly caught the essence of what was shown to him there. Look at the footage of his arrival at this exhibition - there he has every gesture verified in terms of making it look the way he likes it. And therefore, during the show, his brain was busy not so much with efforts to understand what was shown to him, as with efforts to say something clever and preferably witty about what was shown, and also to give the impression of his "advanced".
        Therefore, he hardly even understood that he was being shown "Armata", and if he did, he hardly remembers anything. And even if the head of UVZ declares (exaggerating, this is presumably) to him with a request for funding to complete this project, then Medvedev is unlikely to even remember or remember very vaguely.
        It is not in vain that there is an age qualification for the post of President and Prime Minister. And I would even increase it. Still, about the Prime Minister, I think that he is not a pest and that he is not even evil, and not because he is so stupid ... He’s just a boy, an infantile kid, he still hasn’t dried milk on his lips, and he skidded to such an upper level, so his roof was completely blown away ... And he, as a functional unit, completely disappeared, instead of fulfilling his duties, he is completely engaged in creating an image, creating an image that he himself is not, and all this takes all his strength. And who performs the duties of the Prime Minister for him? Yes, anyone, through him already obvious nonsense is being dragged. The story of retirement savings is confirmed by the fact that the Prime Minister announced that I would send all the savings to private funds, and the President said that this should never be done.
        Of course, I suspected that there was no unity between Putin and Medvedev, but to get such proof of the lack of unity - then the question arises: why does Putin keep this Medvedev? This Medvedev will soon leave ratings in general in the negative zone, but he still holds it in premieres. Shoigu - at the premiere, I don’t know anything. And this one, let in lecture pieces, reads on jurisprudence and continues to admire himself.
        Py.Sy. Actually those 25 members of the forum that the advantages of this article stuck? Obviously, twenty are our pimpled professors "well-wishers" who are bored for some reason at their "military forums, they came here to wish us well" ... But who are the other five? I want to know my heroes.
    2. +1
      4 October 2013 17: 18
      So he still didn’t understand anything. laughing
    3. +22
      4 October 2013 18: 00
      Quote: a52333
      So he just didn’t have to show him.

      "... the new main battle tank" Armata "is intended exclusively for Russia. The vehicle was surrounded by such a dense curtain of secrecy that only Medvedev could see it."

      Imagination paints a picture:
      Huge box, lights off. Medvedev squeezes into a narrow gap of the slightly open gate, which is then tightly closed. "Oohs" and "oohs" are heard from the box. The gates open slightly, Medvedev falls out, slightly disheveled, with "square" eyes. A smile wanders on his face, his eye twitches with a nervous tic. He leans against the wall and with the words: "No x .. yourself ...!" slides quietly along it ...
      1. Sergh
        +13
        4 October 2013 18: 52
        Article author: Charles Clover, head of the Moscow bureau of The Financial Times, London.

        At least a CIA or MI-6 worker, though, maybe the whole bouquet !!! Categorical Russophobe and liar, in short, a goat.

        Here is what he writes in his article "Russia against Napoleon":
        Tolstoy is characterized by the image of Prince Peter Bagration, who during the Battle of Austerlitz did not give any orders, but “tried to pretend that everything that was done out of necessity, by chance and the will of private superiors, that all this was done at least not by his order, but according to his intentions. "


        He fully supported the "Swamp Movement", where he regularly attended all the meetings, indispensably with a camera, pencil and paper. He loves and stands up for Khodorkovsky and really wants his freedom.
        1. +1
          5 October 2013 14: 57
          Quote: Sergh
          At least a CIA or MI-6 worker, though, maybe the whole bouquet !!! Categorical Russophobe and liar, in short, a goat.

          - but there are still shifts, note ...
          Previously, the article would have been exactly the same, if only the defense industry would have been called as backward, low-tech and other, but now at least: Reforming the army means deciding what to do with the secret Russian military-industrial complex, which includes state-owned arms manufacturing enterprises. This complex for decades under the Soviet Union and even after its collapse was actually a state in a state. Working in secret and high-tech enterprises, the leading companies in the defense industry have long seemed like specific principalities, accustomed to dictating their terms to the government - at least partially began to reflect the truth.
      2. +7
        4 October 2013 19: 30
        Quote: IRBIS
        Imagination paints a picture:

        Damn your imagination ... wassat The picture is complemented by Angela Merkel, protruding from a gap in the gate- Who is next, boys? Vladimir Vladimirovich, are you?
        1. soldier's grandson
          +1
          4 October 2013 22: 25
          one hundred pluses ++++++++++
      3. VladUrich
        +1
        4 October 2013 20: 43
        No .. Medvedev was given the opportunity to play the World of Tanks simulator. After winning the third battle in a row. He declared that the class machine has so much fun from it, but how much it endures HP ..))
      4. +4
        4 October 2013 21: 02
        Quote: IRBIS
        The gates open slightly, Medvedev falls out, slightly disheveled, with "square" eyes. A smile wanders on his face, his eye twitches with a nervous tic.


        and under the cap there is no sign of logs seen by the watchful guard.
      5. v.lyamkin
        0
        7 October 2013 08: 19
        Thanks for the comment: the mood really rose.
    4. soldier's grandson
      +1
      4 October 2013 22: 20
      so that you can’t walk
  2. -11
    4 October 2013 15: 28
    Opponents of compromise from the government echo Putin's paranoid statements. Deputy Prime Minister for Defense Dmitry Rogozin at the 27 conference in June made a startling statement that "the United States can destroy up to 90 percent of our nuclear potential in a few hours." He further stated that the Russian nuclear deterrent might be defeated in the first six hours of the conflict.

    yeah, what’s what, but Rogozin should take care of his direct duties in nature. But the devil knows and says, then he has to guess and guess what he wants from life.

    P.S. talker find on spies wassat
    1. +9
      4 October 2013 18: 04
      And in my opinion Rogozin in his place ..! Yes
      1. +1
        4 October 2013 19: 20
        Well, this is your opinion))) the journalist was going to raise the Russian defense industry. an ingenious solution, nothing to say.

        chatting is not a bag to turn back. A person who cannot distinguish an M6 bolt from an M8 bolt teaches defense experts how to raise the industry.
        1. VladUrich
          +3
          4 October 2013 20: 47
          Why not, Taburetkin was already in charge. He created an entire women's battalion, and how much money he saved, in his pocket.
          1. v.lyamkin
            0
            7 October 2013 08: 22
            He didn’t save, but didn’t spend on any nonsense.
      2. +1
        5 October 2013 00: 05
        On the bucket ...
    2. Nitup
      +3
      4 October 2013 20: 40
      Quote: lonely
      yeah, what’s what, but Rogozin should take care of his direct duties in nature. But the devil knows and says, then he has to guess and guess what he wants from life.

      Rogozin only quoted the statements of some Vlenspecials from the United States
      1. +3
        4 October 2013 21: 34
        introduced himself to the late Marshal Ustinov, who, being Commissar of Arms of the USSR
        He quoted some military experts from the United States, England, or the Third Reich. He imagined it and nothing came of it. Ustinov spent exclusively days on his duties. with his labor and energy he helped the army achieve its equestrian goal. In the current situation, it is necessary to work in this way. Time does not wait.hi
        1. +3
          4 October 2013 22: 24
          Quote: lonely
          introduced himself to the late Marshal Ustinov

          Serious argument, +.
        2. 0
          5 October 2013 15: 06
          Quote: lonely
          Ustinov spent exclusively days on his duties. with his labor and energy he helped the army achieve its equestrian goal. In the current situation, it’s necessary to work this way.

          The merits of this gentleman are great, no one disputes ... But times have changed, now Ustinov would not have been let close to the military-industrial complex ... The ability to speak beautifully, in other words, the ability to orator now in value.
          And Ustinov is also not without sin for all his merits. One thing "the time of the cannons is gone, only the missiles!", When the Tula KBP, together with all its inhabitants - Shipunov, Gryazev - was nearly uprooted. And I'm not going to forgive this Ustinov. Although there is a mitigating circumstance - he realized his mistake in time and stopped in time ... But he managed to break it - the losses are estimated at billions of rubles. And no demand from his master ... We can say that his merits cover his mistakes, but here is a controversial point, very controversial. So what about comparing these gentlemen, you are not in the subject. Each time has its own hero. And here - fish for bezrybe and cancer. Let there be Rogozin.
  3. +51
    4 October 2013 15: 30
    They criticize, then we are going the right way))) Enough of praise from us:
  4. +9
    4 October 2013 15: 30
    Some crap awkward. Charles Clover, drink yadu.
  5. faint27
    +21
    4 October 2013 15: 33
    Another Russophobic article. the author’s fear of a growing power and an objectionable military-industrial complex is evident, and this fear materializes into delusional remarks and quotations from a liberal shushary such as Gudkov and Moscow echo!
    1. +1
      4 October 2013 23: 09
      Quote: sven27
      Another Russophobic article. the author’s fear of a growing power and an objectionable military-industrial complex is evident, and this fear materializes into delusional remarks and quotations from a liberal shushary such as Gudkov and Moscow echo!

      I totally agree.
      The author of the article began for health (harm would ..) and ended for peace .. request
  6. GREAT RUSSIA
    +10
    4 October 2013 15: 39
    Putin in his public statements criticizing the West often refers to strange foreign threats and calls on Russia to defend its sovereignty. But as Goltz says, "The Soviet Union took the idea of ​​an American military attack very seriously, but today the Kremlin no longer believes in this." After a regular, paranoid nonsense of Putin’s speech on September 20, a playful remark appeared on Twitter: “Schizophrenics have imaginary friends. But only Russia has imaginary enemies. ”

    Many believe that the army level of the superpower of Russia can not afford, especially in conditions where no serious threats to its security have been identified. As a percentage of GDP, Russia's defense spending should grow from 3,2% in 2013 to 3,8% in 2016. This is much more than other emerging market countries, such as India (2,6%), Turkey (2,3%) and China (1,9%). This is evidenced by research data of the Moscow investment bank "Renaissance Capital". Opponents from the government and other areas say that the proposed increase in defense spending, which Putin said last year during his election campaign, will be too expensive, and that it will have to be taken from other areas where they are urgently needed. For example, this infrastructure and education. According to Renaissance Capital, the share of health care spending should decline from almost 4% in 2013 to 2,2% in 2016. In the same way, allocations for education will be reduced from 5,1% in 2013 to 3,9% in 2016.

    It’s in their president’s (USA), prime minister’s (England )’s bluffs like that, RUSSIA has enough enemies. These are the USA, England and France. And China will soon join with its appetite for our Siberia. The increase in military spending is completely relevant. the USA, England, France have imaginary enemies. So let these Yankees, gay men, and all sorts of pro-Western seams be silent. They have collars around their neck and every Zionist group controls these collars. Paranoids, hysterics are bad.
    1. kaktus
      +3
      4 October 2013 16: 54
      our affairs are not their problems, let them deal with their "tolerance", the problems of minorities ... there is something to do
      1. 0
        4 October 2013 23: 18
        Quote: kaktus
        our affairs are not their problems, let them deal with their "tolerance", the problems of minorities ... there is something to do

        There are "homeopaths" laughing not in earnest in the European press! Already laws are being rewritten in blue light. Here are their human rights activists crazy. Paranoia tormenting sick, knocking over from a sick head to a healthy crying wassat
  7. +3
    4 October 2013 15: 47
    Due with this reappeared doubts about Russia's ability to repeat the impressive achievements of Soviet-era engineers.

    if it were not for the general background of the article, I would have thought that Charles Clover was nostalgic for the achievements of the USSR, but the fact that Russia is able to repeat the achievements of the USSR is evident from the author, he only recently did not doubt it, but the accident of "Proton" forced to doubt))
  8. +5
    4 October 2013 15: 48
    Once squealed means. "Comrades are going the right way!" By the way, in the West, the manufacturers of weapons of Arab sheikhs just do not grab the sleeve.
    1. +6
      4 October 2013 16: 56
      The article slips envy and anger for unfulfilled hopes. For 20 years, despite the crisis, they continued to sell weapons.
      Calling the most appropriate politicians paranoid is powerless.
      Armata belongs to a new generation of Russian military equipment, which is designed not only for export supplies, but also to maintain Moscow's international reputation. Other representatives of this new generation are the Sukhoi Su-35 fighter and its later version, the T-50 aircraft. According to some experts, the S-350 anti-aircraft missile system is superior in its characteristics to the American Patriot. And the Mi-28 attack helicopter is designed to compete with the American Apache aircraft. "
  9. +8
    4 October 2013 15: 52
    why are they publishing this pi here? for this tape.ru is.
    1. +2
      4 October 2013 22: 41
      So that we do not lose vigilance.
  10. +2
    4 October 2013 15: 54
    Comrade Rogozin speaks and says, he probably does not know the saying "silence is gold"
  11. +11
    4 October 2013 16: 02
    The author of the smelly troll is do not go to a fortuneteller!
    -after his words that Putin sees only enemies of Russia all around, I remember for some reason Hussein and Gaddafi ... they didn’t think anything about the campaign!
  12. +5
    4 October 2013 16: 06
    I did not understand, the Wahhabis at the arms exhibition are called "smart delegations from the Arab countries of the Persian Gulf". Enough double-dealing. With such "welcome guests" a decent person will not sit down on one hectare.
  13. +9
    4 October 2013 16: 08
    Moscow is building up its military power, causing concern

    who have nothing to worry about, he does not worry. and let the saucy drink motherwort.

    said sociologist Lev Gudkov, head of the Levada Center.

    is there at least one office where the ears of our sculpted friends do not stick out? and they will tell us about paranoia fool
    1. vpimen2010
      +3
      4 October 2013 18: 56
      Don't worry just yet, when three Russian AUGs come out with 10 surface pennants and 3-4 multipurpose nuclear submarines, plus one AUG in reserve. Then start "worrying"
  14. Ev58
    +9
    4 October 2013 16: 15
    I like the saying that “Reforming the army means deciding what to do with the classified Russian military-industrial complex, which includes state-owned arms production facilities. This complex was actually a state for decades under the Soviet Union and even after its collapse. in the state. ", as well as that the military-industrial complex dictates unacceptable prices for samples of weapons and military equipment. Let's think, moreover, that this exercise is useful and even in large quantities did not cause death. 1) The path of Gorbachev's "Perestroika": "The military-industrial complex - towards self-sufficiency and self-financing!" It seemed that even in delirium you could not say that, but no, perhaps in your right mind and firm memory. What this has led everyone has seen and remembered hitherto. 2) Open military-industrial complex enterprises for foreign investments, thereby lightening the financial burden in creating and strengthening the country's defense capability. What does it mean? This means that many promising developments will be served "on a silver platter" to individuals, a group of individuals, states and their special services who are not related to the country's armed forces and even, I do not exclude the possibility, are not interested in strengthening Russia's defense capability. The idea is good (from the standpoint of cutting public funds), but not new, since we observe this trend and these ideas of the state apparatus in other social and economic spheres of our country. "If you want to do well, do it yourself," says popular wisdom. Before blaming the military-industrial complex for the absence of new promising developments, one should ask oneself a simple question: "What has the state done so that the military-industrial complex has the latest technological and production capabilities for the implementation of these developments?" As for prices, in no country in the world is the modernization or creation of new types of weapons and military equipment cheap and has a clear sequence from a draft design to a serial model.
    1. kaktus
      +1
      4 October 2013 16: 55
      + 100 one cannot but agree
    2. +6
      4 October 2013 19: 12
      Our * Proton * - * Perm Motors * at the beginning of * privatization * was almost zakazirovat - it was only up to the state. But here came the GDP ... And u, - the Americans are home at 24 o’clock, the smaller shareholders - who is where, to put it mildly. And now PAK 50 and space on our engines. But it could be ...
  15. +5
    4 October 2013 16: 15
    It is a pity that the Kukryniksy died, they would have pretended to depict this Clover (like a mongrel, spraying saliva on an elephant).
  16. +3
    4 October 2013 16: 23
    Well, the original source of this opus is http://www.ft.com/home/uk-Financial Times (Russian Financial Times) - an international business newspaper, published in English in 24 cities around the world with a total circulation of up to 360 thousand copies. The headquarters of the main editorial office is located in London. It belongs to the media holding Pearson PLC so that the information war continues. Anglo-Saxons will never calm down, Russia is always number one enemy for them, so they scare them more than they do, extorting more money for rearmament and enriching their pockets.
  17. +4
    4 October 2013 16: 24
    the proposed increase in defense spending ... will be too expensive, and that it will have to take funds from other areas to implement it ... For example, this is infrastructure and education.

    If you follow the "advice" of the caring Mr. Charles Clover, and do not strengthen the country's defense capacity, it may turn out that it will not be up to "education". The USA and NATO are arming themselves "to the teeth", new weapons are being tested at more and more "training grounds" in the Middle East. Let Putin also arm the Russian army, so as not to become ANOTHER "ROOM" for the USA and NATO, without forgetting about education, etc.!
  18. +12
    4 October 2013 16: 25
    Better to be well armed and lively paranoid than a dead pacifist. Unarmed are killed first.
  19. avg
    +4
    4 October 2013 16: 26
    Fuck the little shaven, surrounded by friends spending 59 billion. I’m already talking about their older comrades, I’m not talking about their 549 billion - the author is not interested, or maybe interested, but you can’t be interested, otherwise they will grind him like Assange and Snowden, and I don’t want to go underground.
  20. EGORKA
    +4
    4 October 2013 16: 26
    The article is again written from the position of "the good West", all that he is so fluffy, and this Russia exhibits thorns)
  21. GREAT RUSSIA
    +4
    4 October 2013 16: 31
    The West is criticizing RUSSIA again, which means we are on the right course. As Molotov said: "If the West criticizes us, then we are on the right course, And if the West praises us, then immediately turn down and find other ways."
    1. v.lyamkin
      0
      7 October 2013 08: 29
      The perfect cursor.
  22. +3
    4 October 2013 16: 39
    Quote: article
    He further stated that Russian nuclear deterrence forces could be defeated in the first six hours of the conflict.
    However, Rogozin did not specify why the United States needs it.

    So before climbing into Libya, and today in Syria, the United States also did not explain why they needed it.
  23. +6
    4 October 2013 16: 41
    Eh, Mr. Clover, Mr. Clover ... Before you can write opuses on the topic of Russian rearmament, you must first study at least a little question and hardware at the same time - how the Su-35 differs from the T-50))) ... Before writing about " imaginary "threats to Russia - first comment on the statements of all kinds of McCains, Palin, Hillary Clinton, etc." with a characteristic Russophobic flavor, and only then write about the "paranoia" of Putin and his entourage.
    PS Although it seems to me that with so much anti-Russian nonsense that Western politicians have issued over the past 20 years, any more or less adequate Russian leader will develop a strong desire to increase the country's defense capability .. just in case ...
    1. Lyokhin63
      +1
      4 October 2013 23: 34
      Quote: Albert1988
      any more or less adequate Russian leader will develop a strong desire to increase the country's defense capability .. just in case ...

      They lower her. long and systematic. Do not have time to die out explosions of ammunition, they destroy Kalash. I would not be surprised that thousands of canned MIG-23s were also destroyed long ago. What for? Are the maintenance costs so huge?
      1. 0
        5 October 2013 13: 52
        Quote: Lyokhin63
        Are the maintenance costs so huge?

        Unfortunately, this is so — my father’s classmate stayed with us a long time ago — also an engineer, unfortunately I don’t remember exactly what enterprise he is working at now, but his work is related to the preservation of old equipment - he said that in our conditions it costs a lot of money taking into account the fact that all the infrastructure connected with this in the 90s suffered very much (
  24. +3
    4 October 2013 16: 42
    And what all of us are so worried about is our defense spending, we’d better have considered our expenses ...
    1. +3
      4 October 2013 17: 48
      Here's a stupid - caring for a person, 20 years in the gays invoke, and we all get out.
  25. +6
    4 October 2013 16: 44
    In 1996, she lost the first Chechen war to a motley bunch of militants,

    The army won, but was betrayed by corrupt politicians who didn't give a damn about all the victims of this conflict.
    standard soldier's diet: barley, oatmeal and lard.

    I don’t know where how, but in our unit they always fed normally. (Well, if you do not take into account such a dish as "bikus")
    even their latest cruise missile was called the Iskander. This is Alexander, but in Arabic.

    "Yes, even call it a pot, just don't put it in the stove." What difference does it make to you what our weapons are called. Our designers know how to call him with subtle humor. The main thing is that by its mere presence or even by the prospect of its placement, it causes bouts of paranoia (which the author of this opus is so worried about) in all amerov's henchmen
  26. +3
    4 October 2013 16: 45
    The car was surrounded by such a dense veil of secrecy that only Medvedev could see it.
  27. +5
    4 October 2013 16: 46
    from the Don.
    It’s not in vain that the GDP rearms the troops if they grind their teeth! It’s time to re-equip people! The bazooka is in every house! And then the Magomedov walkers started trying to recruit militants at our place!
  28. +2
    4 October 2013 17: 02
    - The West is criticizing RUSSIA again, which means we are on the right course. As Molotov said: "If the West criticizes us, then we are on the right course, And if the West praises us, then immediately turn down and find other ways."
    I think that Ragozin, together with the Minister of Defense, are precisely those people who will complete the rearmament of our Army, will save it from corruption and strangers.
    1. +7
      4 October 2013 18: 22
      Quote: Koronik
      - The West is criticizing RUSSIA again, which means we are on the right course. As Molotov said: "If the West criticizes us, then we are on the right course, And if the West praises us, then immediately turn down and find other ways."
      I think that Ragozin, together with the Minister of Defense, are precisely those people who will complete the rearmament of our Army, will save it from corruption and strangers.

      A strong army is the only guarantee of Russia's independence and security, any rapprochement with the West is like trying to kiss a cobra. And the fact that the West is chatting about Russia is not worth a dead rat.
  29. +6
    4 October 2013 17: 09
    Bravo of the Russian Federation, if hayut means all the buzz, comrades are on the right track.
  30. +2
    4 October 2013 17: 13
    Envy and nothing more ... not one European state alone can not organize such a show with all its industrial and financial power, we can only Мы... well, maybe the Chinese comrades and the Americans.
  31. +3
    4 October 2013 17: 14
    Who saw Armata? Medvedev? He was at the exhibition on the strength of 30 minutes, he didn’t even go to the training ground. Yes, the armature saw a vaginal ball pancake.
    1. nbw
      nbw
      +2
      4 October 2013 21: 05
      vaginal ball
      You made a forum mistake negative
      1. Mature naturalist
        0
        4 October 2013 21: 32
        Quote: nbw
        You made a forum mistake

        The mechanic has the right ...
        1. Nitup
          +1
          4 October 2013 21: 34
          [/ quote] The mechanic has the right ... [/ quote]
          Why?
          1. Shumka.
            0
            4 October 2013 22: 15
            stay on the forum you will learn more and hope that it will come from him infa Cheers earned!
            1. Nitup
              +1
              4 October 2013 22: 58
              Quote: Shumka
              stay on the forum you will learn more and hope that it will come from him infa Cheers earned!

              you conspirators, FIG understand
              1. 0
                5 October 2013 09: 00
                Quote: Nitup
                you conspirators, FIG understand

                View at least the titles of articles in which there are comments Mechanica .
                wink
    2. +1
      4 October 2013 21: 06
      Quote: Mechanic
      He was at the exhibition from the power of 30 minutes, he didn’t even go to the training ground


      he was sent to the iPhone mms-ku.
  32. Troy
    +3
    4 October 2013 17: 16
    For those who do not believe in a threat to Russia from our sworn friends, let them explain to me why NATO is stubbornly approaching our borders, why missile defense, why Libya, Syria, etc. why China is building so many roads with access to our borders, why are units for war in the Arctic created in the Arctic countries, why are the Japanese building combat icebreakers. At least explain this to me.
  33. +5
    4 October 2013 17: 17
    it’s better to be crazy than my grandmother used to say)
    1. Troy
      +5
      4 October 2013 17: 21
      Right! It’s better to feed your army than someone else’s.
    2. +4
      4 October 2013 18: 25
      Quote: Curt
      it’s better to be crazy than my grandmother used to say)

      And my grandmother said - At careful fighters, mothers do not cry.
    3. v.lyamkin
      0
      7 October 2013 08: 36
      In our case, this is the most correct decision.
  34. Sammson
    0
    4 October 2013 17: 17
    Who can explain the combat use of the Terminator? It shoots rockets no further than the tank. Cannons-30 mm - not serious. Unclear.
    1. +3
      4 October 2013 17: 33
      Terminator is BMPT, i.e. Tank Support Fighting Vehicle. It must remove obstacles for the advance of tanks, such as rocket launchers, mobile calculations of PTR, and so on ... Especially in the urban landscape.
    2. 0
      4 October 2013 19: 27
      Quote: Sammson
      Who can explain the combat use of the Terminator? It shoots rockets no further than the tank. Cannons-30 mm - not serious. Unclear.

      The terminator is strong in spirit.

      He is out of good and evil
      Not light, but not darkness
      He has no feelings
      Death is not a drama for him
      He is just a mechanism
      Though a man in appearance
      And does so
      As the program requires.

      That ruins everything
      And kills everyone
      Stop him,
      Almost impossible
      And he goes to the goal
      Over the corpses, through the fire
      And sees only the goal
      Everything else is void.

      We are loaded with brains,
      Once personally:
      “Should you protect
      The ideas of communism ”;
      And we went ahead
      Through the corpses through the fire
      As if too
      There were mechanisms.
  35. +1
    4 October 2013 17: 19
    Reprinted agitation, not an article
  36. +1
    4 October 2013 17: 23
    The author is right. The exhibition was not for the Russian Defense Ministry, but purely for sale. The indicator is even that to the Russian Defense Ministry from the military-industrial complex contracts 0. Well, that's just 0.
  37. +4
    4 October 2013 17: 23
    The "good uncles from foggy Albion" whined, so they have something to whine about ... It became scary. Well, still, while EBN drank vodka, and hooligan drunk discipline, it was fun. Times have changed, gentlemen!
  38. +4
    4 October 2013 17: 24
    It is very pleasing when in the west someone infuriates what we do. The author is a complete amateur in military affairs, the article is full of mistakes and other absurdities. Do not pay attention to the nonsense of useless zhurnalyugi, who can shove his article only someone having cheated and slandered.
  39. Ulan
    +5
    4 October 2013 17: 53
    Funny. And what has NATO already dissolved? Is this when I missed such a momentous event?
    It turns out that only "sworn" friends remained around.
    No gentlemen, we have already learned bitter experience and know that if you swear friendship and assure that there is no need to arm yourself, it means they are preparing to chop something off or get into your pocket.
    Naughty guys, the limit of credulity to the west from Russia has been exhausted.
    When the Prime Minister of Romania openly says that Romania did the right thing and attacked the USSR together with Hitler ... you understand that such thoughts roam in the minds of other gay politicians.
  40. 0
    4 October 2013 18: 14
    It’s not even that arms costs are significantly increasing. The fact is that I really want all this money to go as it was intended, but, unfortunately, I can’t believe it.
  41. +2
    4 October 2013 18: 16
    Ruslan Pukhov from the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies says: “When we are engaged in this military buildup, it is important not to confuse a real enemy with an enemy who has been sitting in our heads since the times of the Cold War.” One military analyst noted: “Putin and his subordinates happily talk about the threat of a rapid global strike and the ability of Americans to destroy Russian nuclear targets. But in reality, they do not seriously believe in it. ”

    Pukhov donkey and his remarks are not worth a penny.
    The threat of an attack on Russia by the insane pentagon corpses is more than real.
    1000 USA military bases were created not for the entertainment of Yusov’s warriors, murderers of women and children, but for a massive first strike against Russia.
    To destroy Russia at the Yankees' gut is thin, the answer will be received in a hundredfold size, but in Russia millions of civilians will die.
    If Putin had accurate data on the timing of the Yankees' attack, he would try to get ahead of them and erase their shock forces, as decent people erase hotbeds of deadly epidemics spread by rodents (Georgians) and poisonous insects.
  42. +3
    4 October 2013 18: 35
    So I can imagine how the lips of Mr. Charles Clover were shaking when enumerating S-350, SU-35, T-90 ... And bringing out the word Armata could not stand it and ran away to change his pants ...
    1. 0
      5 October 2013 05: 18
      He walks in diapers more familiar.
  43. +1
    4 October 2013 18: 41
    A landmark article.
    I liked it - it immediately inspired articles in Izvestia and Pravda where they reprinted articles from the American press with forecasts about the imminent collapse of the USSR, that Tselin was a soap bubble and the economy would soon be bent.
    And you know, not everything was untrue for the Yankees - they also diluted the truth of the box. Cases with consumer goods, bread and meat, and other shortages were not so hot.
    As if Putin raising the military-industrial complex did not overlook the collapse of today's economy - otherwise the crisis is already knocking at the door.
    And I think the Yankees can aggravate it if desired. In general, Putin’s affairs are not so hot - the United States doesn’t even need to declare war to cause a collapse in Russia.
    1. v.lyamkin
      0
      7 October 2013 08: 43
      True, the lie is diluted for greater certainty. And about the collapse of Russia: difficulties can suit, that's all. Many times Russia predicted the collapse, and in fact, the country stood on the edge of the abyss more than once. But they always got up from their knees and gave such a shit that it showed little. So gentlemen will not work: Russia is alive and will live. and about the difficulties: we do not get used to it, we survive.
  44. +4
    4 October 2013 18: 49
    Our 68 billion is paranoia, and Amer’s 637 is normal. The author turn on the head, although why, then there is no filling.
  45. +1
    4 October 2013 19: 05
    Quote: user
    Significant article. How Big the Awl We have kicked the Anglo-Saxons in the ass to receive such a devastating article in The Financial Times. This is a pancake like the Order of Merit to the Fatherland. Russia keep it up.

    + Better comment, no!
  46. +5
    4 October 2013 19: 21
    The right article, although I gave it a minus. Why? You need to understand that every minute, every hour, Britain is trying by all means and means to weaken Russia. This process began a long time ago; the Petrov galleys only marked the birth of the Russian fleet when. Even then, the statesmen of Britain saw a threat to their imperial (predatory) interests. This was confirmed in the process of historical development of Russia (remember at least Sevastopol 1856 of the year). This article is an eructation of the anger that Britain has always had for Russia! Why the right article? Yes, because we still have to kill ourselves, that Britain, not being able to harm Russia by force. spoils our country ideologically, spiritually ...
  47. sashka
    +1
    4 October 2013 19: 24
    Well, they climbed out .. Friday night, and you can expect everything. From everyone who hears, and listens .. It's not a fact that your opinion is the most correct, just let's not swear, and not hang up labels .. And it's not a forum, but just a bazaar with massacre.
  48. +1
    4 October 2013 19: 27
    damn it, and here I thought, we write in comments there we share our opinions, we rejoice for the country, and by and large no one is doing nothing to raise this country, because for our country to become great we should work hard, In my opinion our country needs a national idea, I think in this terrible world, we should become the guarantor of peace and justice as we have been throughout history, because all the conquerors and dictators of the world scale were stopped by the Russians. We must be free, strong and united, and we must know how to feel it and correspond to every citizen of the Russian Federation (money is good, of course, but when you have a global goal and you strive for it it is much more important) and all this should be instilled in our children from infancy
    PS I'm sorry that the topic is not just a cry of the soul. It’s a shame for the power and the people
    1. sashka
      -1
      4 October 2013 19: 57
      Quote: Kair501
      , and by and large, no one is doing nothing to raise this country, because in order for our country to become great, we must work hard

      Well, I work in a sweat. Knocking on the clave is not my profile. What we have available. 12000 rubles with weekends and refining .. Glory Pu or not Glory? Let's talk...
      1. Arabist
        +2
        4 October 2013 20: 07
        A familiar doctor worked for 2 weeks - 30000. To whom it turns out.
        1. sashka
          0
          6 October 2013 08: 38
          Quote: Arabist
          A familiar doctor worked for 2 weeks - 30000. To whom it turns out.

          That's why he is a "doctor". But this is not a doctor. Just a "doctor". Do you need translation from Russian into Russian? It's funny. true ? You don’t need to withdraw money from idiots.
  49. +4
    4 October 2013 19: 32
    <<< Putin had to win the elections in 2012, and therefore he played the card "Russia as a besieged fortress," said sociologist Lev Gudkov, who heads the Levada Center. (the sociologist needs to somehow work off the money of foreign sponsors) But the problem is that after the elections a year and a half have passed, and Putin is still playing this card. >>>
    Well, of course! The author - like-minded McCain believes that only the States are allowed to spend more on "defense" than all other countries of the world put together, including Russia! It is clear that they are "overseers", they strive for world peace. And they are not aggressive, but only in the interests of peace, in order of "defense" they bombed Yugoslavia, then occupied Iraq, then Libya fell, Syria and Iran are next. They have surrounded Russia with their bases and do not hesitate to talk about the division of Russia. attitude of Russia!
  50. Arabist
    +1
    4 October 2013 20: 03
    Surprisingly, I expected the Poles after the West of 2013 or the Baltic states, here the British. Although what is there to be surprised.
  51. Kasyanov Sergey
    +3
    4 October 2013 20: 05
    Putin, in his public speeches criticizing the West, often refers to unclear external threats and calls on Russia to defend its sovereignty.
    For him they are just understandable. And I completely agree with him.
  52. +1
    4 October 2013 20: 52
    Since there was no money in the army, soldiers were sometimes paid with pickled cucumbers.
    I would like the author to be paid in the same way for this opus...
    1. v.lyamkin
      0
      7 October 2013 08: 46
      Which hole are we going to put it in?
  53. +1
    4 October 2013 21: 15
    better feed your army. than someone else's
  54. freedom2013
    +2
    4 October 2013 22: 17
    Affr burns. I started about the exhibition, then a blunder upon a blunder (pickled cucumbers, Su-35 and T-50, etc.) and ended - why the hell do you need an army anymore. "TALENT".
  55. +1
    4 October 2013 22: 17
    Putin in his public statements criticizing the West often refers to strange foreign threats and calls on Russia to defend its sovereignty. But as Goltz says, "The Soviet Union took the idea of ​​an American military attack very seriously, but today the Kremlin no longer believes in this." After a regular, paranoid nonsense of Putin’s speech on September 20, a playful remark appeared on Twitter: “Schizophrenics have imaginary friends. But only Russia has imaginary enemies. ”

    For every such highly intellectual rant, the author needs to ask one question: “And against whom do the bankrupt states contain all their nuclear potential?”
    and listen to the thoughtful silence
    1. v.lyamkin
      0
      7 October 2013 08: 47
      Why silence: to maintain world peace. They, good-hearted people, do just that, tirelessly.
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  57. Stalinets
    0
    4 October 2013 22: 29
    The enemy has been sitting in the Kremlin for a long time, and not in the minds of idiots (since the Cold War). And this enemy is more real, these same idiots. In my opinion, GDP is acting absolutely correctly. Maybe not always, but in most cases. “If you listen to Putin, you get the impression that there are only enemies around him.” If you don’t want to, don’t listen. And as for enemies, VVP speaks the honest truth. The only thing he cannot do is openly identify enemies. Only I.V. could afford this. Stalin. As he said in a conversation with Kollontai. Nixon said something similar, but after he was thrown out of his chair... Russia has no right to be weak. No one considers the weak... Yes
  58. soldier's grandson
    +1
    4 October 2013 22: 33
    Putin and Vedmedev raised the defense industry through the efforts of Taburetkin alone, such equipment needs to be shown to the Saudis after it becomes obsolete in our troops, it would be better if our guarantors were not mentioned in the article
    1. 0
      5 October 2013 09: 29
      Quote: Soldier's grandson
      such equipment needs to be shown to the Saudis after it becomes obsolete in our troops

      For now it’s a wish, I think their petrodollars will allow us to transfer this from a wish to the present.
      bully
  59. +1
    4 October 2013 22: 36
    The author refuted himself by naming our “friends” Golts and Gudkov (Levada).
  60. +3
    4 October 2013 23: 46
    I'm always surprised how the British hate Russia... Is this small country syndrome? No, this is a syndrome... the big country doesn't give a damn because I'm small...
    1. 0
      5 October 2013 01: 31
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      I'm always surprised how the British hate Russia... Is this small country syndrome? No, this is a syndrome... the big country doesn't give a damn because I'm small...

      This is a syndrome of historical memory, they cannot forgive how they were attacked in the 15th century by the Mughal-Russian troops in Constantinople, as our scientists write, “it was the elite of Constantinople (read Istanbul) who fled and abandoned their troops to the mercy of fate who founded all these Habsburg and other ones.” bloodlines of the elite" on the island wink , unfortunately, it turns out that we were already feared and respected in the 13th century (read, pissed off continuously) = Source: research by Nosovsky and Fomenko, let them refute whoever is strong (if they can, of course, even the Americans took off their hats)
    2. Stalinets
      +2
      5 October 2013 01: 32
      It's on their genetic level!!! They have always been and will always be sworn friends of the Slavs. Yes
  61. Ragnar
    0
    5 October 2013 00: 21
    T-50 is a version of Su-35?????? Nice....
  62. Shambala
    +2
    5 October 2013 00: 30
    Great Britain is Russia's worst enemy, starting from the reign of Peter 1 to this day. Only pathetic klutzes and representatives of the “fifth column” can doubt the need to strengthen our army and navy. By investing billions of dollars in the development of new weapons systems, America receives new technologies for the civilian sector - GPS satellite navigation, the now publicly accessible Internet, etc. And everyone shouts in a voice trembling with delight with a servile aspiration - this is wonderful, brilliant. When we introduce the GLONASS system (also a product of the domestic defense industry), all you hear are nasty comments. You immediately feel that these experts and critics have eaten too much hamburgers and drunk too much Coca-Cola. Only by spoiling your digestion and poisoning your brain with the “greatest” achievements of American culinary art can you seriously argue that Russia is not capable of having modern weapons and a combat-ready army and navy.
    As for the fact that defense industry enterprises use funds inefficiently, we are not alone in this. After all, look at how many advertised products of the American military-industrial complex were considered too expensive and ineffective - for example, an air-launched combat laser for intercepting ICBMs. Billions of dollars have been spent, but to no avail. And there are many such examples. The American government takes out loans all over the planet and gives them to insatiable military-industrial complex corporations. And so that the process does not stop, from time to time they update their arsenals much more effectively than our Defense Ministry - they shoot in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria. During these times, the American military-industrial complex earned enormous money. They would have bombed us too, but they are weak in the stomach - bs..t. The Americans and the British were even afraid of our army, which was bloodless and betrayed by its incompetent rulers in the 90s, but now they generally have “either diarrhea or scrofula.”
    So, gentlemen, pathetic critics, spiteful critics and representatives of the "fifth
    columns, Russia will still be in excellent fighting shape.
  63. +2
    5 October 2013 01: 06
    worry, worry, Anglo-Saxons. It will also be your time to pay off your bills.
    1. 0
      5 October 2013 01: 33
      It was and will be wink
  64. ran nearby
    +1
    5 October 2013 01: 22
    Quote: Nitup
    Quote: Viacheslav
    By the way, one of my German acquaintances in a personal conversation, when it came to the friends of Russia, was very surprised that I did not mention Germany. He just said so - "After all, we are friends!" laughing

    Such friends for .. and to the museum laughing

    But this is in vain. The Germans and I are still friends. but the Anglo-Saxons are always throwing up some kind of nasty tricks, so that friends hit each other in the face.
    Who in Europe should be friends with is the Germans. IMHO however
  65. ran nearby
    +1
    5 October 2013 01: 30
    Article +
    It makes me happy when the Anglo-Saxons howl as if they were being screwed :) :) :)
    1. SAG
      +1
      5 October 2013 02: 53
      Although I gave a huge minus, you are also right in your own way!!!
  66. +1
    5 October 2013 02: 43
    Reading these lines: “The Armata belongs to a new generation of Russian military equipment, which is intended not only for export supplies, but also to maintain Moscow’s international reputation. Other representatives of this new generation are the Sukhoi Su-35 fighter and its more the later version is the T-50 aircraft. According to some experts, the S-350 anti-aircraft missile system is superior in its characteristics to the American Patriot. And the Mi-28 attack helicopter is designed to compete with the American Apache." one gets the impression that the person is not competent in these matters.
  67. SAG
    0
    5 October 2013 02: 52
    Mr. Charles Clover is paranoid himself because he fears (apparently) Russian weapons like doomsday am
    In his agony, he did not even notice the difference between the MiG-35 and the Su-35, the latter of which already has 10 production models in combat service in the Russian Air Force soldier
  68. 0
    5 October 2013 05: 09
    Quote: Saburov
    The author would have to tear off his head, for such words as having lost the first Chechen one, you can lose the war in two cases, this is when you surrender or when your troops are completely destroyed, with his approach we and Afghanistan lost.

    And when WE pay repatriation to the losing side - what do you call it?
  69. 0
    5 October 2013 07: 07
    Typichnaya zapadnaya statya or Rossii. Men very interesno sposit's Financial Times, yesli vragi Rosii eto bred putina, to zachem Britanii 60 milliarda za vooruzhenie? Kakie u britanii vyzovi kotorye vynuzhdaiut novie avionosci build?
    Evrozyatskii Soyuz eto nadezhdo dlya spasenya chelovechestva.
  70. 0
    5 October 2013 20: 56
    for sure, we are paranoid, we have no enemies

    Now there are a lot of unstable countries on the map, military conflicts, NATO is installing an air defense system at our borders, etc.

    It's better to be paranoid than dead
  71. SolomonSS
    +1
    5 October 2013 22: 01
    People, what are you talking about, of course, such a small country like Russia, with insignificant resources of oil and gas, gold, silver, precious stones and timber, and even the purest water in Lake Baikal, is not needed by anyone. What threats are we protecting ourselves from!? For a long time now, like Switzerland, we need 2 tanks, and 3 soldiers, and maintain them =))) and this is unnecessary!

    Oh, these Englishmen, “the most peaceful nation,” would sit on their island and keep quiet.
  72. kelevra
    0
    18 December 2013 18: 22
    Who wrote this article? Some liberal or oppositionist. So much black paint! I specifically checked these, so to speak, facts, a lot of slander is written here! We need to somehow control such people!