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Asterisk: India has no complaints about Russia in connection with the Sindurakshak bombing

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Asterisk: India has no complaints about Russia in connection with the Sindurakshak bombingThe Russian and Indian sides have no doubts about the serviceability of the systems and mechanisms of the Sindurakshak submarine that exploded in the port of Mumbai on the night of August 14, said Anton Trofimov, the head of the Zvezdochka center ship repair company, recently.


Trofimov, as part of a guarantee group, traveled to India, where he was being investigated on the fact of the explosion of a submarine. “Knot by knot, we practically“ dismantled ”the whole ship. They agreed that the failure of the materiel could not lead to such consequences, ”he wrote in the blog of the press service of the company.

“We informally communicated with the informed representatives of the Indian side. They outlined the incident and immediately said that the Indian side had no complaints against us, ”Trofimov said.

Earlier it was reported that the cause of the explosion on a sunken 14 August diesel-electric submarine Sindurakshak, could be an error when loading torpedoes.

The submarine was built in 1997 at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg by order of the Indian Navy, modernized at the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center in Severodvinsk, Russia, and on April 29 arrived in the port of Mumbai.

A modern Club-S missile system was installed on the submarine, more than 10 Indian and foreign-made systems were installed, including the Ushus hydroacoustic system and the Porpoise radar station.

At the time of the explosion on board the submarine were 18 crew members. Divers managed to detect the bodies of 12 of them. Rescue operations continue for a total of more than one and a half thousand hours.
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  1. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 3 October 2013 16: 51
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    But Russia has claims to curved-up Indians, who, with their incompetence, ruin excellent equipment, simultaneously discrediting it in front of other buyers.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 3 October 2013 17: 01
      20
      Quote: Kibalchish
      incidentally discrediting it in front of other customers.

      The fact that, after the accident, they decided to repair other boats, in the same version as Sindurakshak. " then we will consider partially rehabilitated. smile
      By the way, the other day, like the Minister of Defense of India said in America that Russia is the main arms partner for India, they don’t want to change anything, but they will also cooperate with other countries.
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 3 October 2013 18: 42
        0
        This is very good! And then the Air Force is right then on the front page - "Russian boat burned down in India!" - which means we will also sell them ships and boats!
    2. alone
      alone 3 October 2013 19: 10
      11
      Quote: Kibalchish
      who, with their incompetence, ruin an excellent technique, simultaneously discrediting it in front of other customers.


      let's make some clarification. They ruined an excellent boat, its own boat. In this regard, claims can only be if they have not paid for it. And that's all.

      to discredit equipment only because Indians do not operate the boat correctly it is impossible. Others also use these boats, but for some reason they do not explode for others)) the same Migi-21s that performed miracles in the hands of the Vietnamese were helpless in the hands of Indian pilots who killed just over 400 aircraft in accidents.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 3 October 2013 20: 44
        -6
        if you mean the war with the Americans, then as far as I know, the North Koreans, not the Vietnamese, fought at 21 instants. This is a kind of clarification.
        1. alone
          alone 3 October 2013 20: 50
          +3
          maybe some North Koreans fought, but it was just the former pilot instructor who taught the Vietnamese themselves who told me about it. And at least 13 Vietnamese are considered as aces of their Air Force, who shot down a large number of American planes precisely for instantly-21
        2. old man54
          old man54 3 October 2013 21: 35
          +4
          Quote: kotvov
          if you mean the war with the Americans, then as far as I know, North Koreans, not Vietnamese, fought at 21. This is a refinement

          Excuse me, you've probably read the "parallel history", dear ??? lol When was the war on the Korean Peninsula? Well, I will give you a hint, otherwise "clarify" now so that ... in 1950-52! When did you start producing the MiG-21? I think, judging by your clarifications, that you don't know either, I will give you a hint - in 1959! Well, who fought on what then in the skies of North Korea, eh? wink But the North Vietnamese just used the MiG-21 against the Yankees at the end of the 70, not in large numbers, but still!
        3. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 3 October 2013 22: 47
          +1
          For the anniversary 2000 brought down by am. The North Vietnamese plane issued a postage stamp in advance, where exactly the MiG-21 knocks down the B-52. Although actually shot down by the 2th rocket.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 3 October 2013 22: 52
            +1
            Here is a stamp dedicated to the downing of a 2000 airplane. Postage stamps of North Vietnam during the war - The numbers on them indicate the number of American planes shot down.
        4. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 3 October 2013 23: 01
          +2
          I would like to add: the MiG-17 lost to the Phantom at altitude, but excelled at low altitudes in maneuverability, the MiG-21 lost to the Phantom at low altitudes, but easily beat on the middle and higher floors. And the tactics were based on the fact that the MiG - 21 drove the Phantoms down, where it expected its superiority in maneuverability over the faster MiG-21, but the 21s remained at their height, since the MiG-17s were waiting for the Phantoms below. ... We had something similar during joint flights of I-16 and I-153.
      2. old man54
        old man54 3 October 2013 21: 29
        0
        Quote: lonely
        let's do some clarification

        again "+"! Well what to do, huh? bully good
      3. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 3 October 2013 22: 54
        0
        Actually, in the USSR Air Force during the years of V.O.V. in accidents killed up to 40% of aircraft during training flights. The UK's most legendary mini-torpedo squadron lost a third of its planes when creating the squadron, and then the exercises were interrupted and the squadron was thrown to the front (airborne), preferring to lose planes in battles rather than in training flights. The command of the Navy openly stated that they were afraid that the squadron would survive to military operations. It was easier for the Vietnamese to write off the emergency ones, since any sortie is already combat due to the narrow territory of the country and the proximity of the US fleet.
      4. zvereok
        zvereok 4 October 2013 01: 21
        0
        Quote: lonely
        the same twinkles-21 that worked wonders in the hands of the Vietnamese


        Lisitsin. AK, here is the solution to all problems for small nations.
    3. marat1000
      marat1000 3 October 2013 21: 13
      -4
      What a great technique, junk.
    4. old man54
      old man54 3 October 2013 21: 24
      +6
      Quote: Kibalchish
      But Russia has claims to curved-hand Indians who, with their incompetence, are ruining excellent technology,

      but personally, I have big complaints about such empty talkers, if not to speak louder - empty talkers ... like you, "Kibalchish", who do not know nichrome in essence, but insult the wonderful Indian people, mock him, despite the fact that that this people never did anything bad to the Slavs in general, not to mention the Great Russians (Russians)! And we ourselves, the Slavs, today, together with our Russia in such opera, that your imprisonment in general looks at least comical! The boats themselves in the docks are constantly burning almost to the ground, but the Indians have seen "stupid people" here! laughing If your technical knowledge is weak and with personal imagination, then you don’t have to shift these problems to our friendly people !! angry
      1. jjj
        jjj 4 October 2013 02: 57
        0
        And we still have to develop Vietnam in every possible way to maintain some parity in Southeast Asia
  2. APASUS
    APASUS 3 October 2013 16: 53
    +2
    As a rule, Indians often order Western equipment on their ships. They have not yet fully clarified for what specific purposes this submarine was used and what additional equipment there is.
    But we will most likely never get answers to such questions.
  3. andrei332809
    andrei332809 3 October 2013 16: 59
    +4
    India has no complaints against Russia in connection with the explosion of "Sindurakshak"

    Of course. the crews need to be taught. and I observed the technical safety in the performance of the Indians, we have a blunder in this regard compared to them
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 3 October 2013 20: 00
      +1
      Quote: andrei332809
      the crews need to be taught. and I observed the technical safety in the performance of the Indians

      I’ve seen Indians unload dry cargo vessels in a port - advertising contraceptives .... not otherwise!
    2. StolzSS
      StolzSS 3 October 2013 20: 27
      +3
      Yes, you don’t think that we have a lot better with safety measures on boats ... I’d better keep quiet, otherwise I’ll have to switch to mats ...
      1. arane
        arane 3 October 2013 20: 57
        +1
        Argue
  4. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 3 October 2013 17: 18
    +2
    No complaints - thank God. It remains to find out why this boat still exploded. And if the claims are not against us, then to whom? To Chinese missiles?
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 3 October 2013 17: 28
      +4
      Quote: Sergei Medvedev
      And if the claims are not against us, then to whom? To Chinese missiles?
      Rather - to the Indian crew. What the hell even started loading weapons at night, did not have a day?
  5. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 3 October 2013 17: 20
    +7
    And there was a cry from the general people about the worthlessness of Russian military equipment.foolangry
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  7. rolik
    rolik 3 October 2013 17: 35
    +8
    India has no complaints against Russia in connection with the explosion of "Sindurakshak"
    Who would doubt that )))))
    A reminder to fellow Indians:
    - Observe TB in this way!
    Nefig light a pipe of peace in the next to the batteries. Sinduraksha has one "little" secret)))) This boat was under repair at Zvezdochka, not only because it was necessary to update the filling, but also .... In many ways, this repair was due to the fact that (drum roll) in February 2010, a hydrogen explosion occurred on its board (the reason is a faulty battery valve). The only victim of the previous incident was a submarine crewman.
    Well, our "partners" also have news. On August 6, 2013, the US Navy announced a decision to dispose of the Miami nuclear submarine, which was badly damaged in a fire last year during a scheduled repair at the shipyard. The Yankees have something to be proud of - "Miami" died, but did not lower the flag in the face of the enemy!))))
    1. mark7
      mark7 3 October 2013 18: 29
      +1
      It can be seen that this Sindurak is not destined to survive until retirement, as initially some PE signs were bad
    2. old man54
      old man54 3 October 2013 21: 41
      +1
      Quote: rolik
      India has no complaints against Russia in connection with the explosion of "Sindurakshak"
      Who would doubt that )))))
      A reminder to fellow Indians: - Observe TB in this way!

      Novel, hi
      Well, you are an adequate person, and everything is the same !! fellow Okay, all sorts of inadequate snowstorms are written, but you do it !! Is it really not clear that the Indians themselves have almost no doubt that it was a sabotage, that's why they behave this way including with respect to the manufacturer, even before the end of the official investigation great tragedy! hi
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 3 October 2013 21: 49
        +1
        Quote: old man54
        Is it really not clear that the Indians themselves have almost no doubt that this was a diversion
        Is it really not clear that a real fleet of a real sea power should have an anti-sabotage service, too real? Or does India have only friends around to relax?
        1. old man54
          old man54 3 October 2013 22: 07
          0
          Quote: Misantrop
          a real fleet of a real sea power should have an anti-sabotage servicereal too? Or does India have only friends around to relax?

          It’s strange for me to read such a thing from a man who has given the fleet many years, especially a melt! The fact that while serving in the USSR Navy you did not have information that was then closed about periodic violation of the IPL of our services then I won’t believe (even then, under the USSR !!!) that IPL would go directly to the internal raids of the secret bases of the KSF, Pacific Fleet and not only! Will we remember about the battleship explosions in raids and the tragedy with nuclear submarines at the test sites of the fleet’s fleet, or will we get around this time? About present times even to speak nebudu. negative Before blaming others, it would be nice to look at yourself "in the mirror". hi
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 3 October 2013 23: 49
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            Quote: old man54
            Will we remember about the battleship explosions in raids and the tragedy with nuclear submarines at the test sites of the fleet’s fleet, or will we get around this time?
            It was. And they came in, and ships exploded, and warehouses, not without it. But imagine a terrorist with a bucket of gasoline and matches ... what How many hours she burned at the pier before flooding? Or the second terrorist at this time pierced the wheels of fire engines and threw all the fire extinguishers into the water? lol
          2. jjj
            jjj 4 October 2013 03: 02
            0
            If you could imagine a system of guarding the bases of the Russian Navy, then no questions would arise. It’s impossible to penetrate from the sea and arrange something like that. Only betrayal
        2. rolik
          rolik 4 October 2013 09: 50
          +1
          Quote: Misantrop
          Or does India have only friends around to relax?

          You can’t relax, otherwise it will turn out like in that joke)))))
  8. voliador
    voliador 3 October 2013 17: 46
    +3
    Not only are our submarines burning and exploding. But it is high time to carry out a comprehensive analysis of safety problems on submarines of all types and to exclude or minimize the presence of this very "human factor" in the causes of accidents and emergency situations.
  9. teleset
    teleset 3 October 2013 17: 54
    +3
    Interested in bringing the results of the investigation to the public?
  10. dojjdik
    dojjdik 3 October 2013 18: 19
    +1
    The Hindus, as our allies and partners, will remain with us forever; here it is necessary to focus attention of course on our submarine; learn from mistakes even though submariners pity who they are on nat. were not
  11. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 3 October 2013 18: 21
    0
    Well, thank God! our specialists have always been professionals (who were sent abroad.) This is the country's prestige! Conclusion; that without us, India will be difficult .. Keep it up!
  12. Omskgasmyas
    Omskgasmyas 3 October 2013 18: 24
    +3
    But what, did turkeys load rockets on a submarine like potatoes? What they can do with their aircraft carrier is scary to think ...
  13. avg
    avg 3 October 2013 18: 50
    +2
    God damn it with this America! Navigator, wipe it off the map! But there must be order on the ship! In short, who threw the boots on the remote? am
    1. Omskgasmyas
      Omskgasmyas 3 October 2013 19: 41
      0
      Your order has already been executed. Take a closer look at my avatar. lol
  14. Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 3 October 2013 19: 24
    +2
    Oh, I don’t know, I don’t know. Here is someone, and the Indians, in my opinion, are extremely careless and careless. Of all the major nations on earth. Fortunately, they say that in military affairs they are ruled by more collected Rajputs and other tribal war castes.
  15. Dimy4
    Dimy4 3 October 2013 19: 32
    +1
    For some reason, for the first time I read Sind.u.r.a.sh.k.a - am I the only one?
  16. Ulysses
    Ulysses 3 October 2013 19: 35
    +3
    A little more about the Indians:
    The Hindus have stated a claim for the insufficient height of the Mi-24 helicopters. Began to understand. It turned out that India had signed a contract with an Israeli firm to modernize the Mi-24, including an increase in their height. The Jews there podshamanili something, replaced some electronics and equipment, but neither the engines nor the screw group - did not change. And since, as a result, the weight of these modernized Mi-24s increased, the altitude also decreased accordingly ... In response to the accusations of the Hindus, our shrugged shoulders and showed a place in the contract, according to which the illegal, uncoordinated, unauthorized modernization our firms warranty is void and no claims are accepted. According to the results of the investigation, India had no complaints against Russia ...

    At the same time, she paid us decently for us to inspect these Mi-24s again, to correct the jambs allowed by the Jews, and again put the helicopters under warranty..
    laughing
    http://1andreiv.livejournal.com/43689.html
  17. horoh
    horoh 3 October 2013 19: 39
    0
    No complaints, this is good, but it is somehow strange that Indians do not comply with TB. Tolley them did not learn this, Tolley request
  18. il-z
    il-z 3 October 2013 20: 03
    +3
    I remember there was an interesting video of how Indians combined the deployment of artillery equipment, preparation for shooting, and the shooting itself with something similar to dancing. It’s interesting, what else can they combine in the Navy, Air Force and Air Force, is there an element of competition in this between units, subunits and military branches?
  19. pensioner
    pensioner 3 October 2013 21: 01
    +2
    Our organization has worked very closely with India for several years. According to the feedback of our children, the Indians who have repeatedly visited India are technically very, very poorly trained. This is not to mention the fact that almost 80% of the population is illiterate. So, against the background of a general lack of technical literacy, similar incidents in the Indian army can be safely assumed in the future. With such a rapid numerical growth of the army and with such a rapid saturation of it with complex, high-tech weapons, such incidents are inevitable. How sad it is ...
  20. stranik72
    stranik72 3 October 2013 21: 16
    +4
    About 3 years ago, while the Indians took off, the Mi-26 fell, miraculously, but everyone survived, they began to figure it out, they found a "left" steering gear in the control system, which refused, and was supplied as a 1st category from one of the former republics of the USSR There were no questions to Russia either, although there were guarantors from Rostvertol, and they were ready to deliver normal KAU-140s, but the "comrades" chose a different path, the result, there is no helicopter. Moreover, this rake "works" for them all the time and no one has ever answered for this. This is such an amazing country.
    1. old man54
      old man54 3 October 2013 21: 51
      +1
      Quote: stranik72
      but the "comrades" chose a different path, the result, there is no helicopter. Moreover, this rake "works" for them all the time and no one has ever answered for this. This is such an amazing country.

      yes, it’s ugly, but today our country is slightly better than the Indians in these parameters, what you described, dear! hi
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 3 October 2013 23: 08
      0
      So they have for murders (plural) give less than for a bank robbery. People can’t be counted.
  21. Muadipus
    Muadipus 4 October 2013 01: 04
    0
    It’s good that everything is good, and Russia and India have no mutual complaints. The Hindus did the right thing, didn’t start phoning, And Russia acted as a bona fide supplier, providing all guarantee assistance in the investigation.
    All "nishtyak" :) Hindi Russ Bhai Bhai

    Threat. so warranty issues would be resolved promptly with our home appliances))))
  22. denson06
    denson06 4 October 2013 09: 49
    +1
    Quote: Russ69
    Quote: Kibalchish
    incidentally discrediting it in front of other customers.

    The fact that, after the accident, they decided to repair other boats, in the same version as Sindurakshak. " then we will consider partially rehabilitated. smile
    By the way, the other day, like the Minister of Defense of India said in America that Russia is the main arms partner for India, they don’t want to change anything, but they will also cooperate with other countries.

    Yes, sabotage, don’t go to a fortuneteller .. they thought the Minister would reconsider his position on a visit to America, but in India they sort of figured out the reasons much earlier than this visit and developed an appropriate position ..